Physicist Nassim Haramein-

[jayelowell]

VAPORIZED! ONE LESS COMET: As expected, yesterday's sungrazing comet discovered by STEREO (http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/) did not survive its close encounter with the sun. One cosmic snowball went in--none came out. The Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) made this movie (http://www.spaceweather.com/images2010/21jan10/stereoa_comet_anim2.gif?PHPSESSID=pnl27luolr84vhqm uif4als0a1) of the death plunge.location, location,location

[gooseone]

19.47 ?

[jayelowell]

It looks like it!!! There is also a sun spot in that area aswell.
http://www.spaceweather.com/images2010/22jan10/midi163.gif

[jayelowell]

Cool!!!
http://ademuzexperience.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/%c2%bfpero-esto-que-es/ (http://ademuzexperience.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/%c2%bfpero-esto-que-es/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2737/4297574118_022bc76969.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2693/4297573786_efae07f3cf.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4297785548_c64b7170b9_b.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pohkmqg0dw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pohkmqg0dw)

:eek: :confused:

go to the end, please...

what is this, oh god????

http://ademuzexperience.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/%c2%bfpero-esto-que-es/ (http://ademuzexperience.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/%c2%bfpero-esto-que-es/)

:confused::eek::p

[branjo]

I think the correct term for this Jay is "Holy Fuck!"

They aren't going towards the surface either, they look as if they are staying in a stable looking orbit.

Awesome stuff.

[jayelowell]

This video was uploaded by NASA on the same day. Let see what it is about...
Sizing Up The Sun - YouTube

[skywalker9]

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An article by Richard Merrick, the man behind 'A Grand Scientific Musical Theory' which you can find here ( www.interferencetheory.com ) In the book his theory of music has brought him into the realm of Torsion Physics and he looks like he has done some work with Nassim Haramein. He has put up this article which some of you might have already seen earlier...

http://exopolitical-waves.blogspot.com/2009/11/unwinding-cosmos.html

This is also relative to Nassims 64 tetrahedron grid in the middle of torus structures with torsion...

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Rotating-Water-Gives-Rise-to-Geometric-Figures-23640.shtml


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[mleger]

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An article by Richard Merrick, the man behind 'A Grand Scientific Musical Theory' which you can find here ( www.interferencetheory.com ) In
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Newbie to this thread and forum. Listened to Nassim's DVDs a few months ago and am trying to integrate things from his lecture that I resonate with. These links are very helpful, as is this thread. Thanks!

[skywalker9]

Nassim was saying it is possible and it looks like Energy from the Vacuum is finally here!

This website shows a reproducible machine that has been granted a patent that works on fluctuations of vacuum energy

http://www.cheniere.org/megstatus.htm

This is a trailor of part2 of Tom Beardan's DVD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6EnDBjCjBw

[yopp]

Is he claiming to a Physicist? In the first video he clams that "we are building bigger and bigger particle accelerators to find smaller and smaller particles". If he was a real physicist he would know that you can not get any smaller than an electron.
An electron is a point particle and has no size you can not get smaller particles. I can only conclude from his lack of understanding that he is not a real physicist.

Exactly! He is not a "real" physicist. 30 seconds of looking at his bio on his website and anyone can see he has never claimed to be "a physicist".

http://www.theresonanceproject.org/personnel.html#nassim

Nassim has spent most of his life researching the fundamental geometry of hyperspace, studying a variety of fields from theoretical physics, cosmology, quantum mechanics, biology and chemistry to anthropology and ancient civilizations. Combining this knowledge with a keen observation of the behavior of nature, he discovered a specific geometric array that he found to be fundamental to creation, and the foundation for his Unified Field Theory emerged.

From this and from listening to everything I have ever found I have never heard him EVER claim to be a physicist.

It constantly amazes me how quickly some people will judge a persons work or merit based on an obviously superficial examination, at best, and usually just from one or two statements taken out of context. Like judging a mans life work after watching 5 min You Tube vids. Its a totally self-aggrandizing and egotistical statement to conclude someones "lack of understanding" from such a week and shallow study. You do yourself no credit and make your self seem quite unintelligent from such statements. I gather from other post, Catfood, that you are certainly not unintelligent and that you have very good things to add to the discussion. To bad you jumped in with such a self defeating statement.

The only thing that Nassim has ever claimed is that he is seeking.

He has looked everywhere and is chasing a vision. He has had some very deep and profound experiences one might even call mystical experiences. From these he had a deep and intuitive sense of how the universe is structured. He has sought to explain and to understand what he felt intuitively and has been piecing together a unified field theory from the perspective of a "comparative researcher. For this he looked deeply into the contemporary physics as well as all the rest of it.theoretical physics, cosmology, quantum mechanics, biology and chemistry to anthropology and ancient civilizations
He found a huge amount of the universe we experience has just been left out of the standard models. He has been seeking to fill the gap to satisfy his own curiosity and desire to know.. Knowing his own limits he has sought the advice and help from people who are experts in many fields. Many of those people do claim to be actual card carrying Ph.D. physicist. Nassim has been trying hard to get the physicist community to embrace his ideas as new ways of looking at things. Ways that include keeping infinity in the equation.
For as it has been said by yourself Catfood they are quantum wave forms and infinitely small. Infinitely large, infinitely small, everywhere we look in all directions we find infinity.:cool:

[catfood]

Exactly! He is not a "real" physicist. 30 seconds of looking at his bio on his website and anyone can see he has never claimed to be "a physicist".
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Thank you for clearing that up. :) So he is a seeker not a physicist. Sorry for my misunderstanding, i had concluded from the title of this thread that he was claiming to be a physicist, then he said something that i know a physicist would not say. Sure you can understand why alarm bells went off. :o

[jayelowell]

The alarm should go off!
Physics have been re-written!!!

[jayelowell]

...I've also come to realize that Nassim was not the first to come up with this conclusion. Torsion physics is actually pretty old.

[jayelowell]

...more on SDO.
There are some really cool graphix in this video! check it out!

NASA | SDO: Exploring the Sun in High Definition - YouTube

[branjo]

...more on SDO.
There are some really cool graphix in this video! check it out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BthDupBQXpQ

Just tidy the link up for ya there dude ;)

[jesta_g]

...I've also come to realize that Nassim was not the first to come up with this conclusion. Torsion physics is actually pretty old.



Indeed it is my good man, this book mentioned a while back in the thread delves into the Egyptian's knowledge of Torsion physics amongst other "new" science. I think its now fairly safe to say the Egyptian's got it from their predecessors and so on back to Atlantis/Lemuria.

If Torsion Unified Field Theory is one of the great keys to understanding all in the universe then its likely to have been known since the dawn of "Time" and "Space".



In relation to Dan Winter's research specifically the science of language im currently reading "sacred symbols of the dogon", i highly suggest looking into the authors work Laird Scranton -

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ChDbpXRaL._SL500_.jpg




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wqHMSktXUk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw6nivI5RTM

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=laird+scranton&emb=0&aq=0&oq=laird+sc#


very interesting stuff, the ancients knew knowledge we are only beginning to re-discover.... lol tell us something we didnt know? :p

seriously im only half way in this one book of his and it simply adds more light to our "vision".

[pedsi]

Adios Amigos!

Good Luck

pedsi :)

[yopp]

Thank you for clearing that up. :) So he is a seeker not a physicist. Sorry for my misunderstanding, i had concluded from the title of this thread that he was claiming to be a physicist, then he said something that i know a physicist would not say. Sure you can understand why alarm bells went off. :o

Yea I see what you mean.:rolleyes:
Sorry I came down a bit harsh on you for that.
You know I have not really paid much attention to the tittle of this thread. It is very misleading.

Nassim has a very expansive vision and in trying to condense it into a language that everyone could use and that can be shared with the rest of the world. So he has been trying to find the expression of his ideas in the language of physics. Problem is within his theory is the basic notion that some of the basic fundamentals of contemporary physics are incorrect. It needs to be rewritten in parts in order to conceptualize the nature of reality as he is describing it. Wrong or right that is what he thinks. So he is going back to the beginning in some ways and stating over.

I think its extremely bold of him really. I certainly would never try to do that myself. To describe the way I experience the universe to work I would rather remain in the language of mystics and the ancient study of subtle energy and consciousness.
I too have been a long time seeker and comparative researcher. Walking down many roads of discovery to find myself here.
If I had a plaque with a title to hang on my office wall mine would say something like Shamanic/Taoist. My education background includes over 17 years of deeply immersed study in shamanic Native American medicinal practices and about 7 years of study in Traditional Chinese Medicine schools. That and a San Francisco art school for a couple of years is the extent of my education. That's it except for my constant self education efforts that is. I've never had any formal university study at all. Never wanted any either. Not knocking it, just was not the path for me.

I came to this forum though a Google search of Nassim Haramein. I then joined the forum just to be able to participate in this particular thread. I only briefly looked around the rest of this forum actually. I like listening to David Icke but I've not gravitated toward or resonated with any of the other discussions. This has been a fantastic discussion and has been very interesting and thought provoking to read.

Sorry if I was rude in any way with my last post. I was responding in frustration mostly because I have read to many empty critiques of Nassim's work. I have no problem with honest critiques and everyone here is trying to rap our collective heads around these really deep and intriguing concepts.

I went over to this science forum:
http://www.sciencefile.org/cgi-bin/y...m=1251881447/0

For a look at what "real" scientists would say about Nassim's ideas. I didn't find any good definitive critiques there either. Mostly they say in elaborate terms why they think he is probably wrong. Never ever really clearly stating what they found that was wrong about it. I think if they could really tear it apart they would. Like they tore apart the poor lady that called herself FractalWoman. A group dismemberment of her theory is what went on there.


Anyway I personally think that fundamentally Nassim is really on to something radically big here. For me it is its many correlations to ancient knowledge, mystery schools and ancient texts. That he has been able to find really deep and intricate connections especially through the geometry to practically all the major works of ancient knowledge. I find that really convincing. There is also the deep resonance I feel within my own understanding and experience that tells me he is really on the right track.



I also think that his attempt to explain it, in terms of the pure science of physics, is a nobble quest. Though I think it will be a long and hard road till it will be able to be definitively stated that it is The Grand Unified Field Theory. If that is even possible.

Or maybe it will be that years from now some incredibly brilliant young physicist will do just that and when asked how he did it he might say that it was only because of the work of Nassim Haramein that he was able find the solution.:)

[plainsight]

Packing Tetrahedrons, and Closing In on a Perfect Fit (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/05/science/05tetr.html)

[skywalker9]

Energy from the Vacuum! This guy speaks of event horizon equilibriums and explains the Vacuum based MEG 'Motionless Electrodynamic Generator'. I think it's all relative to Nassims work. It's actually pretty full on technology, this guy is on to it. The youtube comments show the positive reactions people are posting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wypYFe3JXdE&feature=PlayList&p=BE1D8511DE642CA4&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=15

(If your interested the youtube videos sometimes have trouble firing up, if this happens copy the video title, re-search it in the youtube bar and you will find all 8 parts)

And his article on Permissible Over-Unity. (out of time, there are slide links at the bottom of the article)

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cheniere.org/images/valone%2520figs/valone36sm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/on_the_principles_of_permissible.htm&usg=__-yaK-kku5M03vLU9Z-QGMzFu8qA=&h=401&w=575&sz=45&hl=en&start=6&um=1&tbnid=EEOdIOoY0DS2TM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=134&prev=/images%3Fq%3DT.%2BW.%2BBarrett%2Bsu2%2Bgroup%2Bsym metry%2Bwiki%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3De n%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

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[sadukan]

Indeed it is my good man, this book mentioned a while back in the thread delves into the Egyptian's knowledge of Torsion physics amongst other "new" science. I think its now fairly safe to say the Egyptian's got it from their predecessors and so on back to Atlantis/Lemuria.

If Torsion Unified Field Theory is one of the great keys to understanding all in the universe then its likely to have been known since the dawn of "Time" and "Space".



Thanks for bringing this topic up again...
I thought I had already posted a further series of videos about this earlier on - it seems I didn't.

Here is a 5 part series going into more detailed comparisons of Dogon/Egyptian and Modern Scientific Cosmology:

"The Dogon Code" (from 2003, before Scranton re-published his book)
part1
part2
part3
part4
part5

I can tell you now that if you manage to crack Dogon Metaphysics then you don't need to read my paper (which is going rather slowly, but surely).

sadukan.

PS The most important part of "Sacred Symbols of the Dogon" is chapter 12, pages 174-177 in particular (Guide Signs, Master Signs, World Signs).

PPS Here's some more info which was posted on the Rodin thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058363552&postcount=355) a while ago about the Dogon - synopsis (http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/966.html) of Scranton's "The Science of the Dogon", PDF (http://www.emis.de/journals/ZDM/zdm992a4.pdf) of a paper detailing some more aspects about numbers and symbols of the Dogon.

"over it is 19 (http://www.virtuescience.com/19.html)"[74:30]
(DiYu - 18 Levels of Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu#Eighteen_levels_of_Hell))
Philip LeMarchand (http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/)
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[motokeiru]

I really enjoy listening to that guy.

[jayelowell]

Earth and Mars are converging for a close encounter. On Jan. 27th, the Red Planet will be only 99 million kilometers (0.66 AU) away, appearing bigger through a telescope (14.1 arcseconds) than anytime from 2008 until 2012
http://www.spaceweather.com/images2010/27jan10/skymap_north.gif?PHPSESSID=etmm3ogbn7225mutqfr6rka 4q7

I figured you guys would be intrested since on MARS we can find our kind of style physics!!!:D
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/mm-dm-pyr.jpg
...need I say more??

[jayelowell]

IT'S MARS! In a coincidence of celestial proportions, the Moon and Mars are having close encounters (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2010/26jan_mars.htm) with Earth at the same time. Moreover, the two will spend Friday night gliding across the sky side-by-side. It's a must-see event: sky map (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2010/images/mars/skymap_north_29jan10.gif).
I would think this stuff would be of intrest on this forum but I haven't seen any thread on the topic.

[branjo]

I just got back from shopping 30 mins ago and the moon was very low in a crystal clear sky and I swear it looked twice the damn size as normal.

[jayelowell]

I just got back from shopping 30 mins ago and the moon was very low in a crystal clear sky and I swear it looked twice the damn size as normal.
:D:cool::D


BIGGEST FULL MOON OF THE YEAR: If you think tonight's Moon looks unusually big, you're right. It's the biggest full Moon of 2010. Astronomers call it a "perigee Moon," some 14% wider and 30% brighter than lesser full Moons of the year. (continued below)
http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2010/28jan10/Ayiomamitis1_strip.jpg (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap071025.html)
Image credit and copyright: Anthony Ayiomamitis: details (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap071025.html).

[branjo]

That explains that then :D

[whatistruth]

Another crackpot without a real science degree of any type.

[jayelowell]

^You should tweet about it sometime! lol

[skywalker9]

Another crackpot without a real science degree of any type.

You will miss many things in life if you only look at the work of people that have obtained degrees. You should try not to be so closed minded, you might miss the whole point.

[sadukan]

Another crackpot without a real science degree of any type.


I have a physics degree. All that means is a few years ago I was half-decent with manipulating algebraic equations and could memorise a few formulae and apply them to calculate parameters in a given model.

I passed some exams, did some experiments and got a piece of paper with my name on it - big whoop! (intentional sarcasm)

That has absolutely no bearing on Nassim's "right-brain" focus. He doesn't present "linear" (left-brain) equations (although there are of course some in his papers, in collaboration with Elizabeth Rauscher (http://theresonanceproject.org/personnel.html#rauscher), PhD and Michael T. Hyson (http://theresonanceproject.org/personnel.html#hyson), PhD) - he uses a visual method to describe the concepts involved in "laymen" terms to a general "laymen" audience. He's the "Frontman", if you like (and even if you don't) and I think he does an admirable job of it.

Just because he's not writing down equations in front of you and then telling you a numerical answer he got from his calculator or computer model, doesn't mean there isn't any mathematical formalism backing it up.

It just means he's discussing the implications of the conceptual framework he is using and how he came to that understanding (without explicitly demonstrating it with the math). That's essentially what happens at any Scientific Conference (and I've been to a few myself). They don't have time to go into too much depth, so they give a synopsis and conclusion.

The rest of it is down to studying the papers, and this can be time consuming and an intellectual challenge, even for advanced physicists - there are too many sub-genres to be expert in them all. This is where the "Peer Review" aspect of journals comes into play. Each paper is reviewed by experts, in that particular arena, who are familiar enough with the basics so as to determine if the thesis demonstrated is valid, or not. If they're not - they don't get published!

(You can download all of Nassim's published papers from his website: here (http://theresonanceproject.org/research.html) )

Good luck with that. :D

Remember, they say Einstein's wife did all the math for him.

What is more important than "doing the math" (as such) is the conceptual framework that lead you to it. I can get a computer to do the math for me - but only after I have programmed it correctly.

Math is just a shorthand way of condensing a particular formalism of a given abstraction - a description of its properties, without necessarily having a specific context. Physics is applying such an abstraction to an energetic system or process that can yield a descriptive or technological advantage.

If you can't recognise the same information in a different form, it means you probably didn't understand it properly in the first instance. And that is one of Nassim's biggest problems - convincing "experts" to drop their guard and consider an alternative viewpoint for the same situation which has a greater capacity to explain and apply. This is the only way that Science can progress.

Instead of showing your ignorance on the matter, why not show us your critique of the concepts involved...? Try offering some alternative suggestions other than "what, no PhD...?".

And if you can't offer an alternative, then I don't see a point in rubbishing something you haven't even examined. Frankly, it makes you look like a bit of an idiot. (Such a pity.)

sadukan.

PS I'm not saying that I have read and analysed all of Nassim's papers myself - I don't have to do so to justify the concepts involved. I simply enjoy listening to, and watching, him demonstrate his point of view in a simple, fun way - it generates a sense of awe, wonder and intrigue. It also links in to my own research into the Quantum Confinement Anomaly for Quantum Dots while a postgraduate research student which is how I found out about Nassim, after looking at some of Stan Tenen's analysis over at meru.org (http://www.meru.org/) on the cubic structure of the Hebrew alphabet. (I had chosen Hebrew for a naming convention in a computer model I was developing - then got interested in the abstraction itself which led me both to Nassim and to Drunvalo Melchizedek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and his Flower of Life - a related formalism.)

PPS Nassim is somewhat like Garrett Lisi on "E8" at TED (http://www.ted.com/). (There may be an implicit link between Nassim's Isotropic Vector Matrix and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%E2%82%88.) If you want to play around with E8 and learn about particle interactions, try this flash applet (http://deferentialgeometry.org/epe/) designed by Antony Garrett Lisi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia himself. Lisi's paper on E8 - PDF (http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0711/0711.0770v1.pdf).

PPPS Tony Smith (http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/Weyl.html#E8cartan) has more on E8 (and related structures) on his sprawling website - and in an essay here (http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/248). He has written a guest article here (http://dorigo.wordpress.com/2007/12/13/guest-post-tony-smith-visualizing-e8-physics/). And a link to some interesting derivations of E8 using magic squares - (relevant to the Rodin Vortex Based Math (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61370&page=52) thread) - here (http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/FTsquare.html#jmlandsberg).

"over it is 19 (http://www.virtuescience.com/19.html)"[74:30]
(DiYu - 18 Levels of Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu#Eighteen_levels_of_Hell))
Philip LeMarchand (http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/)
http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/LamentTN.jpg
Go (game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[kether1985]

http://simranjeet.com/2009/05/16/333/

I posted a blog several months ago with his free showings of his work. But id urge any of you who really dig this work is to buy his DVD set.

theresonanceproject.com I believe. If thats not it I think it's in the blog.

-Nate

[jayelowell]

A "Nobel Torsion Message" Over Norway? part 3
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message3.htm

[branjo]

A "Nobel Torsion Message" Over Norway? part 3
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message3.htm

You have to hand it to Hoagland, he dives right in there with both feet and he does his homework.

Fascinating linkup to other phenomenon, thanks Jay that was extremely interesting stuff.

[branjo]

Just had to share this fantastic music video. Uplifting to say the least.

Please enjoy.

Symphony of Science - 'We Are All Connected' (ft. Sagan, Feynman, deGrasse Tyson & Bill Nye) - YouTube

[jayelowell]

^cool video! I like the whole idea of cutting and chopping to make music.
I liked it so much I visited thier website.
http://www.symphonyofscience.com/

[yopp]

Just had to share this fantastic music video. Uplifting to say the least.

Please enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk

Fantastic!!! Thank you for this find! Beautiful music:):cool:

[branjo]

I was blown away by the technique used. I am sure there could be a lot of Nassims lectures that could be made into awesome music like this.

[musten]

C2C (02-03-10)

[jayelowell]

^thnxx musten!
great show!!!

[jesta_g]

something that will fit nicely here :)


Is hologram the right description?

hologram [ˈhɒləˌgræm]
n
(Physics / General Physics) a photographic record produced by illuminating the object with coherent light (as from a laser) and, without using lenses, exposing a film to light reflected from this object and to a direct beam of coherent light. When interference patterns on the film are illuminated by the coherent light a three-dimensional image is produced





with this definaition and understanding think how our Neural optometry and activity works particularly in relation to our DNA and electromagnetic fields.

What does Nassim Haramein say about light and how particles are formed? all we are seeing is the light on the event horizon of a "blackhole" that exists within every particle and wave in the universe microscopic and macroscopic.


Now bare with me, here are specific notes in relation to your query on a holographic universe (more specifically The Unified Fractal Bio-holographic Field) Iv taken from various sources specifically scientific journals, papers and my own personal work.

If we drop down another whole domain of observation from the "physical" nature described by chemistry and atomic structure, we enter the subatomic realm of "quantum" physics where the behaviour of matter, both organic and inorganic, is governed not by the classical thermodynamic variable of cause and effect or even complex dynamics, but by those of quantum "probability", the very fabric of consciousness.

As mentioned in a previous post of mine...

For the past four hundred years, traditional science has not considered human consciousness as an important thermodynamic variable in the study of natural phenomena or even science itself for that matter.
Instead its investigations have orbited around the metaphorical reaction equation -

MASS <-> ENERGY

or E=MC2

... times have changed.

Psychoenergetic science expands on this equation to include human consciousness as an important thermodynamic variable in the study of nature.

"Let us not ask what consciousness is but instead ask what consciousess DOES." - William A. Tiller.

Consciousess manipulates information, whether via sums or products to get useful results, random letters to make words, mathematical symbols to make equations or the assembly puzzle pieces to form a larger picture.

Further for the past sixty to seventy years we have known that an increase in information content (in terms of bits) via a particular process in nature is quantitatively connected to a decrease in entropy, for the universe and,for the past one hundred and fifty years, we have known the master potential function of thermodynamics, which derives all processes in nature, is the free energy per unit volume or per "mole" of chemical species and, in this function, entropy is on par with energy.

With this we have the new metaphorical reaction equation, that governs psychoenergetic science is -

MASS <-> ENERGY <-> INFORMATION <-> CONSCIOUSNESS


Look where technology has brought us, we have built very large particle accelerators to collide streams of particles at high kinetic energy with each other in order to split some apart into smaller and more basic components so as to understand the subcomponents of all matter. Bare with me ;o)

In the now and in the very near future, we will use directed consciousness to manipulate information resident at different levels of reality in order to alter the properties of materials.

The psychophysiological principle and its three biofeedback examples -

"Every change in the human physiological state is accompanied by an appropriate change in the the mental-emotional state,conscious or unconscious, and conversely every change in the human mental-emotional state, conscious or unconscious, is accompanied by an appropriate change in the physiological state."



Through our current perception of "reality" its as though "Something" appears to emerge from virtually "nothing" which physicists have come to describe as a "sea of infinite potential". Also known as "zero-point energy" or the "vacuum substructure".

Subatomic particles exist both in and out of existence on a continuous basis. This "something" appears in wave/particle form. This world is not transcendent to matter, but underlies it as a coherent unity much like ecology underlies biology.

How does a holographic universe fit with this?

The optical process of holography uses interference patterns. Holography describes transformations of light and optical information mathematically in wave mechanics terms. The use of a split beam of laser light led to the laboratory development of holograms, or recordable holographic images as demonstrated by Dennis Gabor beginning in 1949. Appyling this metaphor to neuropsychology, suggests its more than analogy and that the brain actually encodes information as holograms as the pattern holds the form.

Holograms contain all the information needed to reconstruct a whole image.

They contain many dimensions of information in far less space, like a compressed file. They hold that information in a subtle network of interacting
frequencies.
Thus, shining a coherent light (reference beam) or laser through the fuzzy-looking overlapping waves of a two dimensional hologram can create a virtual image of a threedimensional figure.

The basic gist of the holographic paradigm is that there is a more fundamental reality. There is an invisible flux not comprised of parts, but an inseparable interconnectedness. The holographic paradigm is one of reciprocal enfolding and unfolding of patterns of information.

All potential information (infinite) about the Universe is holographically encoded in the spectrum of frequency patterns constantly bombarding us.

In this dynamic model there are no "things", just energetic events. This "holoflux" includes the ultimately flowing nature of what is, and all possible forms. All the objects of our world are three-dimensional images formed of standing and moving waves by electromagnetic and nuclear processes. This is the guiding "matrix" for self-assembly and for manipulating and organising physical reality, see Harameins work in relation to the isotropic vector equilibrium aka 3D flower of life.
These Criss-crossing patterns occur when two or more waves ripple through each other. In the transactional interpretation of quantum physics, waves of probability originate in the past, present and future. Events manifest when waves from past and future interfere with each other in the present. That pattern creates matter and energy. The Universe emerges from the rippling effects of immense numbers of criss-crossing interference waves.

Want to see the "pattern" or "system" of the bioholographic universe?
see Marko Rodin's vortex mathematics and "fingerprint of god".

We now know that the geometry of the fields is more fundamental than the fields or emergent particles themselves.
Our brains mathematically construct "concrete" reality by interpreting frequencies from another dimension. This information realm of meaningful, patterned, primary reality transcends time and space. Thus, the brain is an embedded hologram, interpreting a holographic Universe. All existence consists of "embedded" holograms within holograms, and their interrelatedness gives rise to our existence and sensory images.

Interference patterns of waves can be visualised interacting like ripples on a pond. At the quantum level they create matter and energy as we perceive them—lifelike three-dimensional effects.
Consciousness and matter share the same essence, differing by degrees of subtlety or densityso are equally as real. There is a strong correlation between modulations of the brain's electromagnetic (EM) field and consciousness. The Universe is a continuously evolving, interactively dynamic hologram. Infinite.

the Universe is one dynamic "holomovement", a grand Unified field if you will.
The part is not only contained within the Whole; the Whole is contained
in every part, only in lower resolution.
So, following the philosophy of "As Above, So Below", we can expect biology to be based on the same physical foundation of creation.


DNow for our friend DNA. To the point, DNA IS A HOLOGRAPHIC PROJECTOR

In a hologram, wave fields interfere with one another to lay the foundations for the reconstruction of the image of an object.

But how are the wave fields produced?

The term "holography" comes from the Greek roots meaning "entire" and "to write". In holography, the image is projected by a coherent light source split into both the object wave and the reference wave background.

This nature is reflected in the particle/wave nature of the DNA molecule, which can be "read out" with biophotons from chromosomes to set up a holographically produced wave field. This superposition of wave fields (object wave and reference wave) creates a wave guide for the formation of biological structure.
The image is constructed according to the reference information contained in the genes. The reconstructed object wave is identical with the object wave field. The reconstructed wave fields reproduce exactly the recorded ones (the DNA with genetic code).

Some of you may be aware of recent Russian research in genetics led scientists to begin looking experimentally at the helical structure of DNA as a possible holographic "projector" of the DNA code. The blueprint described by the spiral staircase of DNA is translated into a torsion EM field that guides the molecular growth of the organism.

Biophysics can now describe how our form emerges directly from the void, the vacuum substructure. In essence, we emerge from the "cosmic void", pre-geometrically-structured nothingness. DNA is the projector of that field which sets up the stress gradients in the vacuum substructure to initiate dynamic unfolding. Genes function as holographic memories of the existential blueprint.

It is now scientifically known at the moment of ovulation there is a "shift" in the electrical fields of the body of a woman. The membrane in the follicle bursts and the egg passes down the Fallopian tube. The sperm is negative with respect to the egg. When the sperm and egg unite, the membrane around the egg becomes hyperpolarised, shutting out other sperm. It is at this moment that the electromagnetic entity is formed.
The fertilised egg cell contains all the holistic information necessary to create a complete, operational, human being. The biohologram begins to function at conception and ceases only at death. The DNA at the centre of each cell creates the multi-cellular creature hologram by expressing and projecting the DNA in the centre of the cells.
The biohologram projected by the embryonic nervous system forms a three-dimensional pattern of resonant structures. These structures behave as acoustic waves, acting as field guides for flowing matter and energy.
The holograms are "read" by an electromagnetic or acoustic field that carries
the gene-wave information beyond the limits of the chromosome structure.

With this new understanding, see how DNA and the chromosome apparatus is the recording, storing, transducing and transmitting system for genetic information at both material and physical field levels.

So DNA can also be seen as a WAVE BIOCOMPUTER.

(1) there are genetic "texts", similar to the context-dependent texts in human language;
(2) the chromosome apparatus acts simultaneously both as a source and receiver of these genetic texts, respectively decoding and
encoding them;
(3) the chromosome continuum acts like a dynamic holographic grating, which displays or transduces weak laser light and a solitonic electro-acoustic field. In other words, the code is transformed into physical matter, guided by light and sound signals.

Complex information can be encoded in EM fields, as we all know from coding and decoding of television and radio signals and now with the work of marko rodin.
Even more complex information can be encoded in holographic images. DNA acts as a holographic projector of acoustic and EM information that contains the informational quintessence of the biohologram.

The nervous system acts as a "Fractal coordination mechanism" that integrates DNA projection of the rest of the cells in the system, aligning these cellular holograms.
The biohologram, projected by the brain, creates standing and moving electromagnetic wave patterns at different frequencies of the spectrum in order to effect different biochemical transformations.
There may be specific electrostatic fields, or there may be electrodynamic fields varying at different frequencies, from low (radio waves) all the way up the spectrum into visible light (biophotons) and beyond. Infinite potential, infinite reality.



Genes are located on chromosomes in a linear order within the cell nucleus. Chromosomes have the ability to transform their own genetic-sign laser radiation into broadband genetic-sign radio waves (the encoded signal transforms from light to sound).

The polarisation of chromosome laser photons is connected nonlocally and coherently to polarisations of radio waves. Through this mechanism, a new field structure is formed from the physical vacuum by an encoded creativity that emerges through DNA.

The genome's genetic and other regulatory wave information is recorded at the polarisation level of its photons and is non-locally transferred or played out through the entire biosystem by the polarisation code parameter.

Only 3% of the three billion base-pair genome encodes the physical body.

The four-letter alphabet of genetic elements;

Adenine (A), Cytosine (C), Guanine (G), and Thymine (T) or Uracil (U)

...is arranged in three-letter "words" that tell the cell what proteins to manufacture.
These genetic characters are distributed in the genetic text in a fractal distribution, i.e., reiterated. So, the nucleotides of DNA molecules are able to form holographic pre-images of biostructures.


Rapid transmission of genetic information and gene expression unite the organism as an holistic entity embedded in the larger Whole. Gene expression is the mechanism by which new patterns are called into being.

The system works as a biocomputer—a wave biocomputer. This biogenesis mirrors the cosmic process of creation.
The holographic dynamic underlies both processes of cosmological creation and biogenesis. Chemical bonding is a consequence of the non-linear inverse-square law of electromagnetic charge interaction in space-time.

Genetically coded, molecules form fractal structures both in their geometry and dynamics. Generating core biochemical pathways giving rise to the fractal structures of proteins, nucleic acids and tissues.

Theories of biogenesis, such as panspermia, are strongly supported by the fact that organic molecules and amino acids, as well as the nucleotides A, U, G and C, have been detected in meteorites. It is a reproducing Universe at both the cosmic and human scale.


And so with this we understand, The organisation of any biological system is
established by a complex electrodynamical field that is,
determined by its atomic physiochemical components. These determine the behaviour and orientation of these components.
This dynamic is mediated through wave-based genomes wherein DNA functions as the holographic projector of the psychophysical system...

...a A Unified Fractal bioholographic Field or universe.




When I think of hologram it sounds like something that is not real.

Whereas the physical reality we live in feels very real to me.

of course it is real, everything is real its just our current perception of it that is not real or more specifically unaware.


I feel alot of people have this idea that they want to or have to escape or just stay in this "reality". How about we find a pro-creative equilibrium at a conscious and unconscious level where all possibilties are limitless, Ain Soph Aur, where we can maintain this "physical" reality while consciously co-existing beyond and between all level of reality. This current perception of reality exists for and with a reason, we shouldnt be egocentric when underestimating the potential of its existence beyond ours. We should feel a part of it.





Or is it consciousness driven reality?


Both. Think fractal polarisation. Limitless potential. It exists therefore i exist, I exist therefore it exists.



And whose consciousness? How is it created? What role do we as individuals play? What role as "groups"? Who else is involved?

I see a danger of saying "It's all a hologram, I don't need to take it seriously."

Thereby justifying anything. Any behaviour, regardless of how immoral.

Whereas, this knowledge could and I would say should be used to make us reflect on our thoughts and deeds and how they affect reality.



Thats the beauty of the ride, you are the creator and so is each and everyone/thing else. Human, animal, fauna, mineral, cell, atom, planet, star, cloud and mouse under my floor board. This is why heart coherence is the key to tapping and experiencing this imfinite potential.



The psychophysiological principle and its three biofeedback examples -

"Every change in the human physiological state is accompanied by an appropriate change in the the mental-emotional state,conscious or unconscious, and conversely every change in the human mental-emotional state, conscious or unconscious, is accompanied by an appropriate change in the physiological state."

thus the strength of a humans intention field creates a thermodynamic force in the body that significantly exceeds an opposite sign force.



The human energy field.

It has long been known that activities of cells and tissues generate electrical fields that can be detected on the skin surface. But the laws of physics demand that any electrical current generates a corresponding magnetic field in the surrounding space. Since these fields were too tiny to detect, biologists assumed they could have no physiological significance....

Until now.

it has been discovered that all tissues and organs produce specific magnetic pulsations, which have come to be known as biomagnetic fields. The traditional electrical recordings, such as the electrocardiogram and electroencephalogram, are now being complemented by biomagnetic recordings, called magnetocardiograms and magnetoencephalograms. For various reasons, mapping the magnetic fields in the space around the body often provides a more accurate indication of physiology and pathology than traditional electrical measurements.

Pathology (intention) alters the biomagnetic field.


This moves nicely onto Heart Coherence, the electrophysiological state of humans during the effects of focusing intentional appreciation for someone or something through the Heart.
To the point, sincere appreciation focus through the heart brings a state of internal coherence where the collapse of both the parasympathetic (high frequency) and sympathetic (low frequency) resonate at a frequency of 0.14 hertz, where the heart interacts strongly with the brain.


http://www.therealessentials.com/followyourheart.html


Neuroscientists have recently discovered exciting new information about the heart that makes us realize it's far more complex than we'd ever imagined. Instead of simply pumping blood, it may actually direct and align many systems in the body so that they can function in harmony with one another.

These scientists have found that the heart has its own independent nervous system – a complex system referred to as "the brain in the heart." There are at least forty thousand neurons (nerve cells) in the heart – as many as are found in various subcortical centers of the brain.

The heart communicates with the brain and the rest of the body in three ways documented by solid scientific evidence: neurologically (through transmissions of nerve impulses), biochemically (through hormones and neurotransmitters), and biophysically (through pressure waves). In addition, growing scientific evidence suggests that the heart may communicate with the brain and body in a fourth way – energetically (through electromagnetic field interactions). Through these biological communication systems, the heart has a significant influence on the function of our brains and all our Systems.

This new scientific evidence shows that the heart uses these methods to send our brain extensive emotional and intuitive signals. Along with this understanding that the heart is in constant communication with the brain, scientists are discovering that our hearts may actually be the "intelligent force" behind the intuitive thoughts and feelings we all experience.


When one regularly practises this freezeframe/sincere appreciation technique, one also notes a significant change in the chemical factory output of the body - i.e. DHEA (the precursor to most body hormones) production increases while cortisol (the major stress chemical) production decreases. Thus, internal stress signatures are decreasing while beneficial hormones are increasing.

What's one way of creating interal coherence? .... Meditation.

Individuals who are well-practiced in their ability to enter and sustain internal coherence mode of heart function while simultaneously intending the influence the molecular conformation of DNA molecules in a beaker of water located two or three feet away from their body, ultraviolet spectroscopy data shows that they can either unwind, or wind more tightly, the DNA strands at will. If such a change can be made to occur to DNA located outside the body, imagine what could happen to the DNA strands of the individuals cells located inside the body through their focused intentions.





Many of these quotes are from a previous post here - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058367030&postcount=30



I apologise for the very long winded reply though I feel we are now entering a very important phase in the expansion of our consciousness and this information should become weight of our understanding in order for us to maintain a steady course in our evolution, should we wish to continue as a species and give our planet the chance to heal.

[revolutionary_jam]

Hi there are some new Nassim Haramein Playlists on the channel Theduderinok's channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/theduderinok?blend=1&ob=4&rclk=cti

[skywalker9]

Here is the whole Coast to Coast interview with Nassim, from 3/2/10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvT89nh4jKM

Sideline info...

Here is the 'Energy from the Vacuum' documentary with Tom Bearden and John Bedini. It's labelled as chunk 1, chunk 2 etc, not part 1,2...
Chunk 1 starts black for a bit. Info about vacuum energy.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NoArbitraryImpose#p/u/4/XMwlo0ym-rE

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'It's dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.' Voltaire

[skywalker9]

I apologise for the very long winded reply though I feel we are now entering a very important phase in the expansion of our consciousness and this information should become weight of our understanding in order for us to maintain a steady course in our evolution, should we wish to continue as a species and give our planet the chance to heal.

Don't apologize man that was full of insight. I had no idea isolated DNA strands unwound and wound up according to a meditator's coherent heart function and relaxed awareness. The magneto-encephalogram and the magneto-cardiogram technology is interesting. Proof of the bio-electromagnetic field is great. Maybe someone will realize how bad electromagnetic pollution can be for cells now.

[jayelowell]

SDO launched today. Check out the video! I'm curious about the wave affect it produced when it pierced through the ionosphere. It looked pretty cool!
http://spaceweather.com/swpod2010/11feb10/anna-herbst1.mov?PHPSESSID=5g8i6cnpv3lfn6397uhkifjtf6



SDO DESTROYS A SUNDOG: The Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) lifted off from Kennedy Space Center this morning at 10:23 am EST, kicking off a 5-year mission to study the variability of the sun (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2010/05feb_sdo.htm). Moments after liftoff, SDO did something that astonished and delighted observers. It flew right through a bright, rainbow-colored sundog and destroyed it. Click on the image to launch a 10 MB Quicktime video recorded by13-year-old Anna Herbst of Bishop, California:
http://spaceweather.com/swpod2010/11feb10/anna-herbst1_strip.jpg (http://spaceweather.com/swpod2010/11feb10/anna-herbst1.mov)
Sundogs are formed by ice crystals floating in cirrus clouds. "When SDO's Atlas V rocket penetrated the cirrus, shock waves went rippling through the cloud and destroyed the alignment of the ice crystals," says atmospheric optics expert Les Cowley. "This extinguished the sundog."
Play the movie (http://spaceweather.com/swpod2010/11feb10/anna-herbst1.mov?PHPSESSID=495hbmm4ij5sds6v1oho7843i7) again and this time turn up the volume to hear the reaction of the crowd when the waves hit the sundog. "I've never seen anything like it," said Anna's friend and traveling companion Amelia Phillips. "It was amazing!"
This was an auspicious beginning indeed for a mission designed amaze. Once it reaches its final orbit, SDO will make IMAX-quality movies of solar explosions and peer beneath the stellar surface to see the sun's inner magnetic dynamo. No one has ever seen anything like that either. Stay tuned for updates (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sdo/main/index.html).

[musten]

Black hole as a peephole (http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/56380/title/Black_hole_as_a_peephole) - Milky Way's central black hole could smear light to reveal extra dimensions

[skywalker9]

http://www.chrisdedman.com/main/images/equipement/plasmaball.jpg

This doco might lead to ideas relative to Nassim Haramein's work.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374#

[sadukan]

http://www.chrisdedman.com/main/images/equipement/plasmaball.jpg

This doco might lead to ideas relative to Nassim Haramein's work.




The following was my reply to the same video in the Rodin Thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61370&page=72):

Hmm... the part towards the end (~50 mins) is most interesting for my own hermeneutics.

I'm not sure about how "magnetic/electric current", running between galaxies and planets, gels with Nassim's "Schwartzchild Proton" paper and how he says that Gravity is all there is. Assuming this to be the case, how is Gravity expressed as Electricity/Magnetism? ("Ball Lightning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Black_hole_hypothesis)" perhaps?)

Though, since Gravity (via Einstein) is merely expressed as an acceleration, then perhaps Light itself (as an "electromagnetic" phenomenon) generates an apparent Gravity (via acceleration) in order to reach the Speed of Light.

E = Mc^2

c(m/s)
c^2(m^2/s^2)

or alternatively,

c^2(m x m/s^2)

...this demonstrates a displacement (m) factored with an acceleration (m/s^2) (aka "Gravity").

c^2 perhaps being complex (ie, "imaginary")

NB, M = mass, m = metres.

If we suggest that a "photon" generates Gravity (eventhough photons are said to have a "rest mass (http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/RestMass.html)" of zero) we can then make a tentative link to our previous analysis of spirals in regard to the so-called Relativistic Gamma (http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/RelativisticGamma.html) which takes the form of a reciprocal and a squareroot:

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/rimg228.gif

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/rimg225.gif
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/rimg129.gif

(this (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058642967&postcount=684), as we have seen, is the "triangular" component which links the "circle" and the "square").

I think this 4-part series is also implicated in our journey:

God, Science & The Secret Doctrine (approx 19 mins each)

part1 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4275074657388926329&ei=BKuIS7jMCsuR-Aaf0MThAw&q=god+science+and+the+secret+doctrine&hl=en&view=3)
part2 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3865073779147940429&ei=BKuIS7jMCsuR-Aaf0MThAw&q=god+science+and+the+secret+doctrine&hl=en&view=3)
part3 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=688356527584426623&ei=BKuIS7jMCsuR-Aaf0MThAw&q=god+science+and+the+secret+doctrine&hl=en&view=3)
part4 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8528543192292087632&ei=BKuIS7jMCsuR-Aaf0MThAw&q=god+science+and+the+secret+doctrine&hl=en&view=3)

If you feel that this material is tangential from the original focus then by all means ignore it. I tend to see these as a contextual background and also a convergence of Rodin's Vortex Based Math with Nassim's work on the Vacuum with the Isotropic Vector Matrix.

Getting more into the physics, the 7DIM Calabi-Yau shape could be represented by the "Stargate" (Enneagram/Enzogram) and refers to Space.
The "Wormhole" (Vortex/Abha Torus) refers to Time. [cf. part3 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=688356527584426623&ei=BKuIS7jMCsuR-Aaf0MThAw&q=god+science+and+the+secret+doctrine&hl=en&view=3)]

One explanation for this on a metaphorical level would be that the 7DIM Calabi-Yau represents a black(w)hole. In my personal hermeneutics this is Set, the Neter of Darkness (Space); in opposition to Horus (Time).

Also, the Brahman would be the 9 within the Zero.

eg, in base10 (MOD9):

10 => 1 + 9 = ten units (para-brahman + brahman) => "Pan-en-theism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism)"

NB, the Zero "hides" 9 within it; unmanifested at the higher order of magnitude: "Para-Brahman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para_Brahman)".

sadukan.

PS "Vacuum Genesis" => "Aetheron Flux" ???

"over it is 19 (http://www.virtuescience.com/19.html)"[74:30]
(DiYu - 18 Levels of Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu#Eighteen_levels_of_Hell))
Philip LeMarchand (http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/)
http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/LamentTN.jpg
Wei-Qi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%28board_game%29)

[skywalker9]

Maybe electromagnetism is more related to gravity than our present models allow for? I guess time will tell. Those bose einstein condensates are a type of electromagnetic antigravity aren't they? I thought the Meissner effect sort of weakens the effects of gravity with perfect geometry. Anyway, it's thoughts.

Here is one article that includes some theories on electro-gravitism that is interesting, I probably miss the point because I have to read past the maths, but it sounds great!...http://www.cheniere.org/books/aids/ch4.htm


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[branjo]

Well guys I think the time has come, I have literally had enough of this forum. I am only saying goodbye here because I am not going to start a thread for the amount of ridiculous crap that it will surely start.

So I hope you all find what it is you are looking for, but I will have to love you and leave you.

Peace.

Branjo

[musten]

Well guys I think the time has come, I have literally had enough of this forum. I am only saying goodbye here because I am not going to start a thread for the amount of ridiculous crap that it will surely start.

So I hope you all find what it is you are looking for, but I will have to love you and leave you.

Peace.

Branjo


:( Hey, Branjo, that sounds sad, what happened? Tell us something, we understand.
After 2,282 posts, you will be missed.
Peace mate, and thanks for all.

[schroedingerscat]

Well guys I think the time has come, I have literally had enough of this forum. I am only saying goodbye here because I am not going to start a thread for the amount of ridiculous crap that it will surely start.

So I hope you all find what it is you are looking for, but I will have to love you and leave you.

Peace.

Branjo

I 'subscribed' to this thread well over a year ago, and get an email when there's something new here... I very rarely look on the other pages of the forum, the conscious construction of reality here is way more interesting now than frothing over conspiracy theories there.
Your input here has been priceless, thank you.

[zeroone]

Don't leave!
Come back!
Just to see what's new!
Yes, it's information overload - what you're runing from!
:confused:
It does not have to be this way!
You can change that!
Better - WE can change that - together - united!
Information can be transfered different ways - you know!
You do!

Follow me!

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[jayelowell]

C2c
thursday march 4, 2010 (http://davidicke.com/show/2010/03/04)

george noory welcomes richard hoagland (http://www.enterprisemission.com) to head up a discussion of where nasa is headed and the complex forces which are affecting our very future in space now

[swissxtrails]

Has anyone read Viktor Schaubergers work on water?
I'd be interested to read a development of his ideas beyond what Callum Coates has written (basically reitterating his ideas).
Schauberger was writing about the vorticle nature of the heart almost 100 years ago and had some profound insights into the behaviour of water (and many liquids) and extrapolated them into the wider world - ending up with some similar ideas to Nassim. Like many of us though he ran out of language fit to describe his ideas and started using words like 'Qualigens' - to describe healthy water atoms. Then surprise surprise the US government bought up all his ideas and well....who knows what they did to him.

I've read one of his and one of Coates' books about it and there were some way out there ideas.

Here is some good stuff about Schauberger http://www.4shared.com/dir/29744586/175dbec6/Viktor_Schauberger.html

[musten]

Exotic Antimatter Detected at Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/PR_display.asp?prID=1075) - Scientists report discovery of heaviest known antinucleus and first antinucleus containing an anti-strange quark, laying the first stake in a new frontier of physics

[exford]

Seance/Science - the discussion will range, as noted previously, from mythology to the scientific method. If you have listened to Dr. Dean Brown's three part YouTube interview --

Thinking Allowed - Sanskrit Tradition-Part1 - YouTube -- on the Sanskrit traditions, you may not have noticed a subtle allusion to science being the discernment of "this from that" as posited in the Ancient Hindu Vedas. What is meant is that science is one of a number of methods man has devised to distinguish inartificial, objective reality (this) from artificial, subjective unreality (that). The object of a theatrically presented seance is to blur that distinction. As Indo/European linguistic cognates, science and seance are two sides of the same coin.
Where is this leading?

There are three distinctive modes of human cognition:

1] The Mythopoeic Mode (a contraction of mythic and poetic), which is the first development of these modes, uses analogical methods (or, comparisons) in attempting to illuminate phenomena. For example, an earthquake had been said to be caused by the anger of a super-natural god/being like Neptune. Anger and earthquake are compared as signifying tumult in a well plotted, narrative story which, in the final analysis, is a human mental construct -- a fiction -- a fantasy. Here, there is no basis for a rational argument or for the advancement of another possibility in explanation. Therefore, the refinements which are focused upon in this mode are those of poetic or literary style rather than in efforts of uncovering truth.

2] The Philosophic Mode, developed next, dispensed with extraneous entities and motivations. It makes observations of the phenomenon itself through the filter of logic (to methodically detect and eliminate propositional contradictions). Thales of Miletus, the ancient Greek 'Father of Western Philosophy', proposed that an earthquake was the last event in a chain of natural occurrences; that the immediately preceding link was the violent disruption of the surface of the earthly ocean which was itself affected by the agitation of the larger cosmic ocean. This was an erroneous explanation, but it tried to delimit itself to the observable, natural world rather than involving the fantasies of an additional super-natural dimension. The value here is in the consistent manner in which a phenomenon is explained within the natural, knowable realm itself (that which is apparent to our five senses). If an error is present, as it is in the given example, a correction is possible by repeatedly applying the rules of logic as a greater amount of knowledge, gained over time, is focused upon the question of truth.

3] The Scientific Mode, the latest development, uses physical demonstration; that is, controlled experimentation in explaining phenomena. The aim of a controlled experiment is the successful practical demonstration in the execution of a statement of theory. If the full understanding of Nature is not present in that theoretical statement, the designed experiment will not go to completion and the statement will have remained a hypothetical one. If the understanding is sufficient, any number of such experiments will go to completion and all witnesses to the events will have perceived exactly the same actions and relationships in the process of those completed cycles. The proof of a successful scientific demonstration is self-evident, in other words, to all observers; as are the geometric shapes of a circle, a square, and a triangle to all human observers with unimpaired physical senses.

In the authorship of a scientific theory, which has been successfully demonstrated by experiment, the qualifications and quantification necessary for that demonstration will be included in the theoretical statement of explanation. As time has progressed into the more modern era, a sufficient amount of quantifiable data has been discovered about the pertinent conditions for producing the effects of an earthquake. The discovery is that very specific volcanic and/or geological conditions (not hydrodynamic conditions as Thales had assumed) in very specific geographical locations, will produce earthquakes. These may be influenced by the gravitational effects of the Moon, but enough information along those lines has not yet been analyzed. Rather than being a controlled experiment, a natural earthquake possesses all of the quantifiable criteria that has been gathered over time, and can be accurately correlated after the fact. The point to be made here is that both earthquakes and successful experiments are objective events which are perceivable to all witnesses in like fashion. Discoveries of the laws of objective nature and demonstrations of those laws in objective nature are what form the discipline of delineating this-from-that.

Until about 150 years ago, that was the constitution of the concept called Science. Today, without there having been much fanfare in introducing the distinction, there exist Experimental Science and so called Theoretical Science. It appears that 'Theoretical Science' requires neither objective discoveries nor objective demonstrations. The only requirement is of an internally consistent, sufficiently complex and multifaceted literary or mathematical dissertation of a subjective mental construct which remains in force as being true until it can be demonstrated otherwise: that is, be dis-proven. This is contrary to the logical requirements in the 'Argument from Ignorance'. If a proposition cannot be positively demonstrated, the negative holds the field. If something is not, or did not happen - it cannot be proven. How can one distinguish THIS, which is self-evidently proven, from THAT, which is a mental fantasy and, by definition, is outside of the possibility of being proven? Proof is the essence of science . . . or, at the least, it once was !!

Claiming that something is too vast, too minuscule, too complex, or too simple to be observed -- or better yet, that it, in its inanimate form, has the free will to act otherwise when being observed ( the Quantum Uncertainty Principle [and I denigrate the noble word "principle" by using it in this deceptive context] ) -- simply means that the concept should not be placed in the category of science. I suggest it belongs in mythology where the essence of the category is the application of unrestricted human imagination in all of its iterations. When a demonstration of the statement, which is now in the category of mythology, can be devised in which all who observe it perceive the same effects, that statement would be re-categorised as being science.

The concept of Science is a victim of its own prior success. By using the scientific method of thought, numerous natural laws have been discovered with which to foster humanly usable technologies. Science had attained a high level of prestige, elevating it to that level already achieved by religion and philosophy. Science or, more accurately, modern-science has become a marketing tool. If an idea or product is correlated with 'science', it is more likely to be accepted because of the sense of authority associated with science. This is an instance of the logical fallacy of the 'Argument from Authority'. A proposition associated with, or stated by an authority is not a guarantee of accuracy or truth. All important propositions are to be independently substantiated or proven, not blindly accepted.

Mythologies which are being passed off as science today use highly technical sounding 'prestige jargon'. They also claim to use another area of knowledge which has popular prestige - mathematics. More so than languages, mathematics is a highly fluid subject or group of subjects. By becoming familiar with 'number sets', one can see how the logical fallacy of equivocation - using the same term (expression) in the same argument (equation) in two or more differing senses - can be applied. The simple technique of using the 'imaginary number set' without indicating its use; or of originating a mathematical argument in the 'negative number set' and using the various functions to yield positive number answers, can soon yield a so called theory which is internally consistent but completely unintelligible . . . and that is the point of using the fallacy of prestige jargon, to cow the student into self abnegation. Of course this technique is not exclusive to maths and sciences, but is much used in the legal profession, organized religion, standardized education, and more widely in propaganda of all stripes.

By now, it must be evident that I am using various aspects of Aristotelian Logic to make my points. In fact, I am trying to illustrate one aspect in particular. That is, the value of using the proper method of definition of concepts to keep ones individual mental consistency intact. As popular notions of concepts are manipulated by status quo culture-creators into differing meanings, I endeavor to establish my own stable lexicon. Science is the discipline of physical demonstration and exacting explanation in establishing theories. Mythology is the province of free psychic association and imaginative implication in suggesting hypotheses. Each concept, mythology and science, has its appropriate place and, indeed, its appropriate symbiotic relationship to the other, in the life of man.

Having done with generalities, let us delve into specific personalities like Darwin, Einstein, Tesla, Freud, and others.

A variation of one of the classical logical fallacies has come into more common use since the time of Charles Darwin. An alternate expression to Experimental Science and Theoretical Science is Newtonian-Cartesian Science and Relativistic-Quantum Science. The implication being that the newer Theoretical or Rel-Quan variety of science, by virtue of simply being newer, is much superior to the 'old fashioned' variety. This is a temporal version of the Argument from Authority Fallacy.

Charles Darwin was the central figure in the popularization of the Theory of Evolution which ideas dated back to at least the time of the ancient Greek philosopher Anaximander. The notions of Charles' own grandfather, Erasmus; his cousin, Francis Dalton; and others like Herbert Spencer restated, in a so called 'scientific' way, what had last been restated, in a religious way, by John Calvin: that nature favors the few among the many to dominate. Calvin was one of the last Western notables to restate this aristocratic social doctrine (of the ancient Indian Brahmin Caste) when religion held primary prestige. As science gained in sharing this prestige, the aristocratic Darwin family was tapped to develop a 'scientific' proof to conform with this doctrine. This was a clever, obtuse method of equating social power with nature's favor, or what had previously been called God's favor. 'Social' Darwinism appears as a product of this way of thinking. However, Erasmus and Charles seemed to be sincere in their attempts at using the scientific method in developing their story, it must be added.

Notice the chronology and direction in which I claim the statements were made in this case. The doctrine existed first and then the assertion of proof was stated from so called objective observation.

Darwin's statements are presented as facts in a scientifically developed theory. Although highly plausible, to my way of thinking, these statements remain hypothetical (due to inadequate sample numbers), but they are certainly in a more advanced class than mythopoeic Creationism.

There is a technique which is prevalent in the annals of the Deceptive Arts which is used in many fields of thought. That is simply to find a classical story, update it for a contemporary audience by changing the names of the characters and adding detailed fluorishes of the day, and re-telling the tale to achieve the same compelling results among its audience which it has always achieved in the past. All of the Sacred Texts of the world's various religeous traditions share a thread of the same story. In some circles this is called the Golden Thread. Darwin's well known story of observing the details of the diversity of species on the Gallapagos Islands to achieve his ends in his Theory of Evolution, is the retelling of the account of Aristotle's Lagoon. Biology had become the Greek philosopher's favorite study as his investigations into Nature progressed. When visiting the Aegean island of Lesvos with his colleague Theophrastus, he was enthralled by the diverse and unusual flora and fauna. Aristotle concerned himself with the animals while Theophrastus studied the plant life. It was here that Aristotle made his revolutionary beginnings (for that time) of categorizing the study of zoology into the topics of mating habits and reproductive methods; feeding, migration, and hibernation patterns; classification of body parts; and so forth. These accomplishments earned Aristotle the title of the Father of Zoology. The purpose here is to show the use of the same old story to provide legitimacy to a new and similar one. Were the sponsors of Darwin's story using this age-old technique of deception? Apply your own critical thinking to provide an answer.

The particulars of Charles Darwin's purposes and motivations are not as familiar to me as are those of Albert Einstein, to be examined next, but the time of his notoriety coincides with the origins of the religiously oriented Baha'i sect. Because the Baha'i doctrines were newly stated at that time, a static dogma had not yet been established. It is 'dogma' itself which ossifies the vitality of a religious philosophy and movement over time. This is when the mundane bureaucratic organization of a religion takes on the primary life of what had previously been animated by its (usually) lofty ideals. Due to this dynamic, new religious threads must constantly be brought forth to update the current needs of the status quo social power structure.

"

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
Lucius Anneus Senneca (the younger) (4 BCE-65CE)

( Here are stated the three groups of players in this game of life. It is my aspiration that we all become players - rather, full participants of the second order in the fully conscious, artistic expressions of life.)

Baha'i's lists of ideals include some very worldly prescriptions: universal compulsory education (whose curriculum, and under whose compulsion?); obedience to government and non involvement in partisan politics (become less than a fully functioning, critical, independent human?); elimination of extreme wealth and poverty (the ideal 'hive' mentality - where have we interminably heard this collectivist idea before?); and, the ultimate New Age/Globalist recommendation, the harmony of religion and science. These are all worthy considerations, but not for a centralized, bureaucratically administered, hierarchical religion which would dictate a static culture from its self-created top to the bottom levels, as has been the usual case for the last six thousand years. Rather, these considerations are more appropriately made by large populations of trivium educated individuals who can discern mythopoeic modes of thought from 'scientific method' modes of thought; populations which can generate an imaginatively dynamic, well understood culture throughout their constituencies (that is, no 'top' or 'bottom'). Hierarchical religion has had its day. The Baha'i faith is the one certified by the United Nations. The United Nations is an attempt at a global example of hierarchical political administration, which would supercede its religious arm. If the trivium meme is able to reasserts itself among earth's inhabitants, my hopes are that these elitist methods of political organization, centralized planning, and forceful impositions (of same) will have seen their last days also.

If major populations (often called the "mob" by the status quo) can be kept living in states of illusion, without benefit of the trivium as a tool to discover objective truth, a very minor population can dictate the terms of perceived reality. Albert Einstein was a bright character who was propagandized to a place of prominence for imagining a 'new' so called science to reinforce this false perception of reality. After all, if a highly prestigious field of study such as Science says it is so, it must be - no matter how ridiculous the assertions.

Albert Einstein was a young child when he first learned that light waves traveled at a particular speed away from their source. While viewing his bed-side clock at that young age, he supposed that if he could propel himself at the same speed as one of those light waves being reflected from the clock face, the hour and minute hands would have no apparent movement as long as he as was riding that same wave. The 'apparent' time would not move forward. If he slowed down only slightly, relative to the speed of light, other reflected light waves would slip by him and the clock hands would 'apparently' begin to move ever so slowly; and as he came to a complete stop, relative to the light waves, the clock hands would move at their 'normal' speed. From this boyhood imagining was projected the Special Theory of Relativity: that time itself is variable and related to the speed of light waves. Now, there is a great difference between the objective passage of time and the 'apparent' and variable passage of time on a clock face in a figment of imagination!

Max Mueller was a 19th century German philologist and Indologist. He translated a number of the last portions of the ancient Hindu Vedas - the Upanishads - into German. Two of these Upanishads, the 6th and 8th of the Brihadaranyaka, mention the female philosopher named Gargi asking her guru, the sage Yajnavalkya, "What is the fabric of reality, Oh Yajnavalkya: what is its warp and what is its weft ?". As a young adult, Einstein read this particular passage, which was still available only in the German translation, and concocted what was to become the famous General Theory of Relativity. That is, space is the warp and time is the weft which weave the fabric of space/time (?!!). In other words, space and time are the same and, additionally, they (it-?) can be warped to produce the effects of gravity. -- No . . . space is extension, time is duration, and the causes of the effects of gravity are still unknown. The bigger and more outlandish the myth (lie), the more easily accepted by the uncritical mind.

Meliva Maric was Einstein's fellow math and physics student at Zurich Polytechnic. She was one of the first women in Europe to study those subjects at the university level, and is the person who is said to have derived the equation E=MC-squared from a previously published paper by the physicist Henri Poincare'. This means that if a mass (M) is accelerated to the speed-of-light (C) at the speed-of-light (C-squared), energy (E) will be released. This is nothing more than a specialized elaboration of Isaac Newton's formulation that the simple acceleration (A) of mass (M) will produce the push or pull of a force (F): F=MA. Einstein, whose ethics had been questioned by acquaintances (for whatever that is worth), made Meliva Maric his first wife and then imposed several unreasonable restrictions on their marital and post-marital relationships . . . one of which was the condition of her silence on pain of losing her income from a trust fund (of Nobel Prize winnings) administered by her ex-husband after their divorce. Was this silence in regards to her derivation of the well known physics equation? Again, make of this what you will.

Another supposition I make is that Einstein, while working as a Swiss patent office clerk, was rewarded with fame and renown for intercepting (read - stealing) a patent application which outlined the engineering problems and solutions in starting a chain reaction of atom splitting within a heavy element like plutonium. This fission reaction would yield comparatively immense amounts of energy from a small mass of matter. And that is exactly the type of problem a heavy-element fission reaction entailed at that time, an engineering problem, not a fundamental physics problem. The aforementioned Henri Poincare', and others (Lorentz & Maxwell), were already aware of the energy yield of a fission chain reaction. They knew that splitting the nuclei of heavy-element atoms was the cause of energy release, not the acceleration of the atom's mass to light speed. In the language of philosophy, the acceleration of mass to light speed was a 'necessary' but not 'sufficient' condition for the release of nuclear energy. This condition applies to explosive devises as well as the controlled nuclear energy produced in an atomic fission reactor. Both reactions, explosive and controlled, yield the same amount of energy from the same mass with the only pertinent variable being the amount of elapsed time in obtaining that yield. The vast Manhatten Project was needed to co-ordinate the engineering work in making atomic fission a reality, not what is called Albert Einstein's equation. Einstein was also allowed to publish his charming mythology of Relativity - which has no logical basis or reliable, self-evident demonstration of theory - for consumption by the uncritical public.

A news reporter once asked Einstein if he could explain the reason for his success, His answer, "Keep ones' sources secret".

The comments made about Einstein do not have direct relations to proof. Rather, they illustrate a pattern which is consistent with deceipt. Einstein was known more for being a character, a personality who expounded on social issues rather than on truly scientific matters. He was an excellent teller of science related speculative stories, however. As I and most of us are not interested in building dooms-day bombs or nuclear electrical power plants - which power could easily be provided by Hemp (along with myriads of other useful products) - we can, as disinterested individuals, spend our time and efforts in more relavent pursuits by simply dismissing the implications of the tale related above.

Contrast the convoluted yarn just woven (pun intended) of a theoretical-physicist dealing in an artificial and highly restricted area of human endeavor (applied atomics), with the straight forward story of accomplishments by experimental-scientists like Thomas Edison and Nicola Tesla. Through his efforts at understanding the natural world, Edison provided the incandescent electric light bulb and the phonograph for recording sounds - period. These devices and their workings are self-evident to us all. Ditto for Tesla's work in providing alternating electrical current generation which can travel on a wire for several hundreds of miles. Tesla's inventions might also include the fluorescent and neon light tubes, wireless radio (co-opted by Marconni), what is called Zero Point or free electrical energy and HAARP resonance technology. A great deal of Tesla's work was patented, but many records are now non existent, and has been kept from public eyes. Like Einstein, both Edison and Tesla led complex personal lives, but much of their genuine science is there to see and to be understood.

Quantum mechanics, concerned with the very small, is also riddled with mythological assertions based on probability. Probability is a first cousin to hypothesis; an 'attempt' at an answer. With an elementary knowledge of the trivium, the fallacies in this field, like those in Relativity, can also be enumerated.

Phillip, as you had first indicated the direction to me, both Marco Rodin ( Vortex Based Math ) and the popular pseudo-physicist Nassim Harramein ( Resonance Project Foundation ) base themselves at a facility in Hawaii (a state with a large Baha'i presence) with ties to the Bah'i' organization. My subsequent research has confirmed this fact. Their so called 'work' is based on modern Theoretical Science, in the traditions of Einstein. Harramein goes so far as to make comparisons between himself and Einstein (and I think those are valid comparisons !). Both Harramein and Rodin have many videos available on the internet. Observe the theatrical style inherent in the 'scientific' presentations of both personalities in front of groups of attendees at seminars. Also notice the overall character of the seminar attendees; they are not techically oriented, but enthusiastic audiences consisting of laymen. The most apparent of the telling observations as to their fraudulent enterprise is that, rather than applying for Foundational or governmental financial grants which are available for basic research, they both promote charitable contributions to apply toward their goals, whatever they may be. These men are engaging, practiced, thespian shills for their Baha'i sponsors. To close the circle (aside from a reminder of the origins of the Baha'i scientistic religion in the time of Darwin), is the observation that Rodin's and Haramein's almost interminable seminars are seances, not science.

Details of Freud, et al, are forthcoming.

All the best,

[jesta_g]

Exford, where is your self experience in all this? your own observation and truth?

It doesnt matter about "this" or "that", at least we have "this" or "that" to allow us to distinguish our "reality" and experience self development in understanding ourselves and the universe around us.

There are many areas you are not considering towards your observation the biggest of which is the Biophysics of the Heart.

I really dont have the time to dive into detail on the subject of Heart Coherence, tho please take some time to research and experience it for yourself. its something we are all capable of feeling and even seeing.

here is some brief information I typed up a wee while back on the importance of the heart in relation to our body and interaction with our current state of reality...

All tissues and organs produce specific magnetic pulsations, which have come to be known as biomagnetic fields. The traditional electrical recordings, such as the electrocardiogram and electroencephalogram, are now being complemented by biomagnetic recordings, called magnetocardiograms and magnetoencephalograms. For various reasons, mapping the magnetic fields in the space around the body often provides a more accurate indication of physiology and pathology than traditional electrical measurements.

Pathology (intention) alters the biomagnetic field.

Heart Coherence, the electrophysiological state of humans during the effects of focusing intentional appreciation for someone or something through the Heart.
To the point, sincere appreciation focus through the heart brings a state of internal coherence where the collapse of both the parasympathetic (high frequency) and sympathetic (low frequency) resonate at a frequency of 0.14 hertz, where the heart interacts strongly with the brain.

the heart has its own independent nervous system – a complex system referred to as "the brain in the heart." There are at least forty thousand neurons (nerve cells) in the heart – as many as are found in various subcortical centers of the brain.

The heart communicates with the brain and the rest of the body in three ways documented by solid scientific evidence: neurologically (through transmissions of nerve impulses), biochemically (through hormones and neurotransmitters), and biophysically (through pressure waves). In addition, growing scientific evidence suggests that the heart may communicate with the brain and body in a fourth way – energetically (through electromagnetic field interactions). Through these biological communication systems, the heart has a significant influence on the function of our brains and all our Systems.

The heart uses these methods to send our brain extensive emotional and intuitive signals. Along with this understanding that the heart is in constant communication with the brain, our hearts are the "intelligent force" behind the intuitive thoughts and feelings we all experience.

When one regularly practises this freezeframe/sincere appreciation technique, one also notes a significant change in the chemical factory output of the body - i.e. DHEA (the precursor to most body hormones) production increases while cortisol (the major stress chemical) production decreases.

Thus, internal stress signatures are decreasing while beneficial hormones are increasing.


further information towards understanding and experiencing the inertia of the heart...

http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart.html

http://www.glcoherence.org/

Dan Winter * Dodecahedral Grids * Fractality * Gravity & LifeForce * Platonic Solids * 1 - YouTube

http://www.fatigueguide.com/fatigue_guide_heart_coherence.pdf


The work of Nassim Haramein, Marko Rodin, Bruce Lipton, Rupert Sheldrake, Dan Winter, Walter Russell, the list goes on, fully supports and compliments the "science" and understaning of the Heart.
Our hearts know the only truth, internal and external coherence resulting in pro-creative unconditional "love" for ourselves and everyone and everything around us.

what more could our species, planet and all other species ask for during our current circumstances?





Quantum mechanics, concerned with the very small, is also riddled with mythological assertions based on probability. Probability is a first cousin to hypothesis; an 'attempt' at an answer. With an elementary knowledge of the trivium, the fallacies in this field, like those in Relativity, can also be enumerated.


Pardon my language, but fuck quantum mechanics thats old news, heart coherence and some good old fashioned common sense is all one needs to know in order to bring the required understanding and awareness that will result in the personal changes needed for our species to survive the current state we are in.

can we stop faffing around the bushes now?

Once we have brought on this much needed evolution in consciousness and awareness we can then get into the nitty gritty science or "this and "that".



Phillip, as you had first indicated the direction to me, both Marco Rodin ( Vortex Based Math ) and the popular pseudo-physicist Nassim Harramein ( Resonance Project Foundation ) base themselves at a facility in Hawaii (a state with a large Baha'i presence) with ties to the Bah'i' organization. My subsequent research has confirmed this fact. Their so called 'work' is based on modern Theoretical Science, in the traditions of Einstein. Harramein goes so far as to make comparisons between himself and Einstein (and I think those are valid comparisons !).


Please go ahead make a Rodin Coil and see for yourself what it does. There is no "Theoretical science" here.

First hand experience my friend is the only way we truly learn.

*EDIT*
Its simple...

How to build a rodin coil part 1 - YouTube

How to build a rodin coil part 2 - YouTube

Both Harramein and Rodin have many videos available on the internet. Observe the theatrical style inherent in the 'scientific' presentations of both personalities in front of groups of attendees at seminars. Also notice the overall character of the seminar attendees; they are not techically oriented, but enthusiastic audiences consisting of laymen.

Go see for yourself, you barely see their attendees at their seminars during the videos and you personally have no idea of their educational background. Your basing your interpretation from the physical appearance nothing more. I look nothing of a "science/spiritual" researcher and student, one would probably pass me off as your common street thug or fashion aware youth... I am neither.

Besides there are only 2 seminars by Nassim and Rodin up on youtube or any site we can watch them. Haramein and Rodin have done countless seminars to both "Layman" and heads of some of the todays most renowned Physicists and Scientific institutes.

The two of them have recieved attention from all fields of science, philosophy, technoligical, historic, psycological studies. Though to me the most important attention is coming from these "Laymen" you have singled out!

This can only be a good thing if "regular everyday" people are introducing themselves to these new ways of thinking and observing.
We cannot evolve in any form (physical or mental) should we just have everyone hurdling like sheep towards one or two ways of educating themselves.

"Oh im a musicisian so i should just stick to this one thing throughout my life"... bollox to that. Btw understanding heart coherence and Electro magnetic resonanse can greatly increase your knowledge of sound and music!!

The most apparent of the telling observations as to their fraudulent enterprise is that, rather than applying for Foundational or governmental financial grants which are available for basic research, they both promote charitable contributions to apply toward their goals, whatever they may be.

Utter shite. Foundations and Governments have been refusing for years all forms of financial grants and support for both Rodin and Haramein. This is because the governments know too well the implications should be have this technology and understanding of ourselves and the universe. They would have nothing!

Charitable investments are the only means to which Rodin is recieving financial support towards his work. and i for one would happily give millions towards his work and technology should ever be in the position to do so.


These men are engaging, practiced, thespian shills for their Baha'i sponsors. To close the circle (aside from a reminder of the origins of the Baha'i scientistic religion in the time of Darwin), is the observation that Rodin's and Haramein's almost interminable seminars are seances, not science.


Go to one of their seminars yourself and say this again! If you walk away having learned nothing new towards science then you are as robotic and one way as your post is. Look at the bigger picture my friend.

[jesta_g]

Im leaving now guys.


Get out there and do something with your lives. Right now the world needs our help.

[exford]

Im leaving now guys.


Get out there and do something with your lives. Right now the world needs our help.

My advice to you...........my friend!

Focus on the 3 basic modes of cognition.

[ironcobra]

Exford, where is your self experience in all this? your own observation and truth?

It doesnt matter about "this" or "that", at least we have "this" or "that" to allow us to distinguish our "reality" and experience self development in understanding ourselves and the universe around us.

There are many areas you are not considering towards your observation the biggest of which is the Biophysics of the Heart.

I really dont have the time to dive into detail on the subject of Heart Coherence, tho please take some time to research and experience it for yourself. its something we are all capable of feeling and even seeing.

here is some brief information I typed up a wee while back on the importance of the heart in relation to our body and interaction with our current state of reality...




further information towards understanding and experiencing the inertia of the heart...

http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart.html

http://www.glcoherence.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnMi-peIs6I

http://www.fatigueguide.com/fatigue_guide_heart_coherence.pdf


The work of Nassim Haramein, Marko Rodin, Bruce Lipton, Rupert Sheldrake, Dan Winter, Walter Russell, the list goes on, fully supports and compliments the "science" and understaning of the Heart.
Our hearts know the only truth, internal and external coherence resulting in pro-creative unconditional "love" for ourselves and everyone and everything around us.

what more could our species, planet and all other species ask for during our current circumstances?






Pardon my language, but fuck quantum mechanics thats old news, heart coherence and some good old fashioned common sense is all one needs to know in order to bring the required understanding and awareness that will result in the personal changes needed for our species to survive the current state we are in.

can we stop faffing around the bushes now?

Once we have brought on this much needed evolution in consciousness and awareness we can then get into the nitty gritty science or "this and "that".






Please go ahead make a Rodin Coil and see for yourself what it does. There is no "Theoretical science" here.

First hand experience my friend is the only way we truly learn.

*EDIT*
Its simple...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY8jsRmxAzo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP5_ShzJcW8&feature=related



Go see for yourself, you barely see their attendees at their seminars during the videos and you personally have no idea of their educational background. Your basing your interpretation from the physical appearance nothing more. I look nothing of a "science/spiritual" researcher and student, one would probably pass me off as your common street thug or fashion aware youth... I am neither.

Besides there are only 2 seminars by Nassim and Rodin up on youtube or any site we can watch them. Haramein and Rodin have done countless seminars to both "Layman" and heads of some of the todays most renowned Physicists and Scientific institutes.

The two of them have recieved attention from all fields of science, philosophy, technoligical, historic, psycological studies. Though to me the most important attention is coming from these "Laymen" you have singled out!

This can only be a good thing if "regular everyday" people are introducing themselves to these new ways of thinking and observing.
We cannot evolve in any form (physical or mental) should we just have everyone hurdling like sheep towards one or two ways of educating themselves.

"Oh im a musicisian so i should just stick to this one thing throughout my life"... bollox to that. Btw understanding heart coherence and Electro magnetic resonanse can greatly increase your knowledge of sound and music!!



Utter shite. Foundations and Governments have been refusing for years all forms of financial grants and support for both Rodin and Haramein. This is because the governments know too well the implications should be have this technology and understanding of ourselves and the universe. They would have nothing!

Charitable investments are the only means to which Rodin is recieving financial support towards his work. and i for one would happily give millions towards his work and technology should ever be in the position to do so.




Go to one of their seminars yourself and say this again! If you walk away having learned nothing new towards science then you are as robotic and one way as your post is. Look at the bigger picture my friend.
very well said!!:)

[rodin]

It appears that 'Theoretical Science' requires neither objective discoveries nor objective demonstrations. The only requirement is of an internally consistent, sufficiently complex and multifaceted literary or mathematical dissertation of a subjective mental construct which remains in force as being true until it can be demonstrated otherwise: that is, be dis-proven. This is contrary to the logical requirements in the 'Argument from Ignorance'. If a proposition cannot be positively demonstrated, the negative holds the field. If something is not, or did not happen - it cannot be proven. How can one distinguish THIS, which is self-evidently proven, from THAT, which is a mental fantasy and, by definition, is outside of the possibility of being proven? Proof is the essence of science . . . or, at the least, it once was !!

Absolutely true

But in the last 100 years scientific hoaxes have, IMO been introduced to confuse and obfuscate the truth

The uncertainty principle is put forward as a mystical truth that must be accepted (believed) because it works (sort of) without us really understanding what it it. Much like special relativity and the weird double slit experiment with its so-called 'consciousness affects the outcome of the experiment' bullshit, or a universe that is (apparently) expanding faster than light and accelerating - except it isn't really its space itself that is growing so fast...

And I have a bridge to sell you....

http://shop.nms.ac.uk/product_images/c/forthbridgencardfull2__38238.jpg

...buyer collects

[rodin]

Claiming that something is too vast, too minuscule, too complex, or too simple to be observed -- or better yet, that it, in its inanimate form, has the free will to act otherwise when being observed ( the Quantum Uncertainty Principle [and I denigrate the noble word "principle" by using it in this deceptive context] ) -- simply means that the concept should not be placed in the category of science. I suggest it belongs in mythology where the essence of the category is the application of unrestricted human imagination in all of its iterations. When a demonstration of the statement, which is now in the category of mythology, can be devised in which all who observe it perceive the same effects, that statement would be re-categorised as being science.

1) Occam's razor says the measurement problem so called is no different from the difficulty in resolving details from a digital image - the resolution is all important.

2) Beyond the material world's lower dimensions (physical I mean - subatomic distances) and the electromagnetic wavelengths we can detect by interaction with known matter lie an infinite (read that - infinite) range of octaves of energy of ever decreasing wavelength - limit infinitely small

All sorts of jigger-pokery could be going on in fields we cannot directly observe.

As I have said before this energy flux if organised by an intelligence could - by scientific theory - project manifestation into the spectra of our perception - by using the simple enough in concept if a bit tricky in practice the generation of sub harmonics

the nature of occult manifestations is so invariably b-movie it is obvious that, if they come from 'the other side' they have been chosen to match the contemporary meme development of the target audience

[rodin]

Charles Darwin was the central figure in the popularization of the Theory of Evolution which ideas dated back to at least the time of the ancient Greek philosopher Anaximander. The notions of Charles' own grandfather, Erasmus; his cousin, Francis Dalton; and others like Herbert Spencer restated, in a so called 'scientific' way, what had last been restated, in a religious way, by John Calvin: that nature favors the few among the many to dominate. Calvin was one of the last Western notables to restate this aristocratic social doctrine (of the ancient Indian Brahmin Caste) when religion held primary prestige. As science gained in sharing this prestige, the aristocratic Darwin family was tapped to develop a 'scientific' proof to conform with this doctrine. This was a clever, obtuse method of equating social power with nature's favor, or what had previously been called God's favor. 'Social' Darwinism appears as a product of this way of thinking. However, Erasmus and Charles seemed to be sincere in their attempts at using the scientific method in developing their story, it must be added.

In the Protocols of Zion is is stated that Darwinism/evolution is fake science - presumably to unsettle the Christians - always a primary target. I am not so sure about this. More study needed.

Calvin's real name was Cauvin - French for Cohen

Just FWIW

[rodin]

Seance/Science

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
Lucius Anneus Senneca (the younger) (4 BCE-65CE)

>> Ultimately we reach the question - how did the Universe originate?

Albert Einstein was a young child when he first learned that light waves traveled at a particular speed away from their source. While viewing his bed-side clock at that young age, he supposed that if he could propel himself at the same speed as one of those light waves being reflected from the clock face, the hour and minute hands would have no apparent movement as long as he as was riding that same wave. The 'apparent' time would not move forward. If he slowed down only slightly, relative to the speed of light, other reflected light waves would slip by him and the clock hands would 'apparently' begin to move ever so slowly; and as he came to a complete stop, relative to the light waves, the clock hands would move at their 'normal' speed. From this boyhood imagining was projected the Special Theory of Relativity: that time itself is variable and related to the speed of light waves. Now, there is a great difference between the objective passage of time and the 'apparent' and variable passage of time on a clock face in a figment of imagination!

Max Mueller was a 19th century German philologist and Indologist. He translated a number of the last portions of the ancient Hindu Vedas - the Upanishads - into German. Two of these Upanishads, the 6th and 8th of the Brihadaranyaka, mention the female philosopher named Gargi asking her guru, the sage Yajnavalkya, "What is the fabric of reality, Oh Yajnavalkya: what is its warp and what is its weft ?". As a young adult, Einstein read this particular passage, which was still available only in the German translation, and concocted what was to become the famous General Theory of Relativity. That is, space is the warp and time is the weft which weave the fabric of space/time (?!!). In other words, space and time are the same and, additionally, they (it-?) can be warped to produce the effects of gravity. -- No . . . space is extension, time is duration, and the causes of the effects of gravity are still unknown. The bigger and more outlandish the myth (lie), the more easily accepted by the uncritical mind.

Meliva Maric was Einstein's fellow math and physics student at Zurich Polytechnic. She was one of the first women in Europe to study those subjects at the university level, and is the person who is said to have derived the equation E=MC-squared from a previously published paper by the physicist Henri Poincare'. This means that if a mass (M) is accelerated to the speed-of-light (C) at the speed-of-light (C-squared), energy (E) will be released. This is nothing more than a specialized elaboration of Isaac Newton's formulation that the simple acceleration (A) of mass (M) will produce the push or pull of a force (F): F=MA. Einstein, whose ethics had been questioned by acquaintances (for whatever that is worth), made Meliva Maric his first wife and then imposed several unreasonable restrictions on their marital and post-marital relationships . . . one of which was the condition of her silence on pain of losing her income from a trust fund (of Nobel Prize winnings) administered by her ex-husband after their divorce. Was this silence in regards to her derivation of the well known physics equation? Again, make of this what you will.

Another supposition I make is that Einstein, while working as a Swiss patent office clerk, was rewarded with fame and renown for intercepting (read - stealing) a patent application which outlined the engineering problems and solutions in starting a chain reaction of atom splitting within a heavy element like plutonium. This fission reaction would yield comparatively immense amounts of energy from a small mass of matter. And that is exactly the type of problem a heavy-element fission reaction entailed at that time, an engineering problem, not a fundamental physics problem. The aforementioned Henri Poincare', and others (Lorentz & Maxwell), were already aware of the energy yield of a fission chain reaction. They knew that splitting the nuclei of heavy-element atoms was the cause of energy release, not the acceleration of the atom's mass to light speed. In the language of philosophy, the acceleration of mass to light speed was a 'necessary' but not 'sufficient' condition for the release of nuclear energy. This condition applies to explosive devises as well as the controlled nuclear energy produced in an atomic fission reactor. Both reactions, explosive and controlled, yield the same amount of energy from the same mass with the only pertinent variable being the amount of elapsed time in obtaining that yield. The vast Manhatten Project was needed to co-ordinate the engineering work in making atomic fission a reality, not what is called Albert Einstein's equation. Einstein was also allowed to publish his charming mythology of Relativity - which has no logical basis or reliable, self-evident demonstration of theory - for consumption by the uncritical public.

A news reporter once asked Einstein if he could explain the reason for his success, His answer, "Keep ones' sources secret".

The comments made about Einstein do not have direct relations to proof. Rather, they illustrate a pattern which is consistent with deceipt. Einstein was known more for being a character, a personality who expounded on social issues rather than on truly scientific matters. He was an excellent teller of science related speculative stories, however. As I and most of us are not interested in building dooms-day bombs or nuclear electrical power plants - which power could easily be provided by Hemp (along with myriads of other useful products) - we can, as disinterested individuals, spend our time and efforts in more relavent pursuits by simply dismissing the implications of the tale related above.

Contrast the convoluted yarn just woven (pun intended) of a theoretical-physicist dealing in an artificial and highly restricted area of human endeavor (applied atomics), with the straight forward story of accomplishments by experimental-scientists like Thomas Edison and Nicola Tesla. Through his efforts at understanding the natural world, Edison provided the incandescent electric light bulb and the phonograph for recording sounds - period. These devices and their workings are self-evident to us all. Ditto for Tesla's work in providing alternating electrical current generation which can travel on a wire for several hundreds of miles. Tesla's inventions might also include the fluorescent and neon light tubes, wireless radio (co-opted by Marconni), what is called Zero Point or free electrical energy and HAARP resonance technology. A great deal of Tesla's work was patented, but many records are now non existent, and has been kept from public eyes. Like Einstein, both Edison and Tesla led complex personal lives, but much of their genuine science is there to see and to be understood.

Quantum mechanics, concerned with the very small, is also riddled with mythological assertions based on probability. Probability is a first cousin to hypothesis; an 'attempt' at an answer. With an elementary knowledge of the trivium, the fallacies in this field, like those in Relativity, can also be enumerated.

Phillip, as you had first indicated the direction to me, both Marco Rodin ( Vortex Based Math ) and the popular pseudo-physicist Nassim Harramein ( Resonance Project Foundation ) base themselves at a facility in Hawaii (a state with a large Baha'i presence) with ties to the Bah'i' organization. My subsequent research has confirmed this fact. Their so called 'work' is based on modern Theoretical Science, in the traditions of Einstein. Harramein goes so far as to make comparisons between himself and Einstein (and I think those are valid comparisons !). Both Harramein and Rodin have many videos available on the internet. Observe the theatrical style inherent in the 'scientific' presentations of both personalities in front of groups of attendees at seminars. Also notice the overall character of the seminar attendees; they are not techically oriented, but enthusiastic audiences consisting of laymen. The most apparent of the telling observations as to their fraudulent enterprise is that, rather than applying for Foundational or governmental financial grants which are available for basic research, they both promote charitable contributions to apply toward their goals, whatever they may be. These men are engaging, practiced, thespian shills for their Baha'i sponsors. To close the circle (aside from a reminder of the origins of the Baha'i scientistic religion in the time of Darwin), is the observation that Rodin's and Haramein's almost interminable seminars are seances, not science.

Details of Freud, et al, are forthcoming.

All the best,

I agree with all of the above and the post in general. I offer in preceding posts glimpses of my thinking on the subject.

In the end the universe is about infinity - a concept we can allude to but never hold inside our limited consciousness

[exford]

I agree with all of the above and the post in general. I offer in preceding posts glimpses of my thinking on the subject.

In the end the universe is about infinity - a concept we can allude to but never hold inside our limited consciousness

Thanks for sharing your considered thoughts.

[sadukan]

Phillip, as you had first indicated the direction to me, both Marco Rodin ( Vortex Based Math ) and the popular pseudo-physicist Nassim Harramein ( Resonance Project Foundation ) base themselves at a facility in Hawaii (a state with a large Baha'i presence) with ties to the Bah'i' organization. My subsequent research has confirmed this fact.



Who is "Phillip"...?

sadukan.

PS It looks like the whole thing was ripped from a letter.

PPS Sounds like some kind of conspiracy against Nassim and Marko, and Bahai's in general. Instead of the hate speech, why not attempt to dissect and counter such "pseudo-science", as you stated in your post/letter(?).

"over it is 19 (http://www.virtuescience.com/19.html)"[74:30]
(DiYu - 18 Levels of Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu#Eighteen_levels_of_Hell))
Philip LeMarchand (http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/)
http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/LamentTN.jpg
Go (game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[exford]

Who is "Phillip"...?

sadukan.

PS It looks like the whole thing was ripped from a letter.

PPS Sounds like some kind of conspiracy against Nassim and Marko, and Bahai's in general. Instead of the hate speech, why not attempt to dissect and counter such "pseudo-science", as you stated in your post/letter(?).

"over it is 19 (http://www.virtuescience.com/19.html)"[74:30]
(DiYu - 18 Levels of Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu#Eighteen_levels_of_Hell))
Philip LeMarchand (http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/)
http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/LamentTN.jpg
Wei-Qi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%28board_game%29)

You are correct,it is a letter or rather an email I received from someone who
has looked into the work of Rodin and Haramein as well as others.
I merely posted it here out of curiosity to see what peoples thoughts on the subject matter was.I have never at any time claimed authorship.
It has been interesting to notice the emotive language used in the negative responses.

[rodin]

You are correct,it is a letter or rather an email I received from someone who
has looked into the work of Rodin and Haramein as well as others.
I merely posted it here out of curiosity to see what peoples thoughts on the subject matter was.I have never at any time claimed authorship.
It has been interesting to notice the emotive language used in the negative responses.

:cool:

[exford]

http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/nassim-haramein-fraud-or-sage-part-2.html

[jayelowell]

^It is intresting and laughable aswell...
...debunking Torsion Physics and the natural structure of reality is just something that cannot be done! We live in the information age and the information is clear. This subject is what has been hidden from the mass public for years. It does not need approval and does not to be acknowledged. Wether they like it or not we have a real science that is predictable!

[exford]

^It is intresting and laughable aswell...
...debunking Torsion Physics and the natural structure of reality is just something that cannot be done! We live in the information age and the information is clear. This subject is what has been hidden from the mass public for years. It does not need approval and does not to be acknowledged. Wether they like it or not we have a real science that is predictable!

What has been hidden from the mass public for years,hundreds of years in fact, is a proper education.An education in the art and science of the mind.An education that enables people to discern reality from unreality.

[skywalker9]

What has been hidden from the mass public for years,hundreds of years in fact, is a proper education.An education in the art and science of the mind.An education that enables people to discern reality from unreality.

Seems you have been badly effected

[exford]

Seems you have been badly effected

The truth is, we are all badly effected although some are more aware of the fact than others; it "seems".

[skywalker9]

It seems

http://www.vortexbrewer.com/images/vortex_funnel_water.jpg

[withoutwax]

Thank you for sharing. I am so glad I watched this, it was an epic enlightenment I have been yearning for. You know how sometimes you ask the Universe for some new ground breaking information, something juicy and esoteric? And within 24 hours you usually get it, if the desire is there. I've had the most fun in the past 2 days, watching it in increments, and expanding my perceptions of things, meditating on things that which I had already known but suddenly given a new meaning. I have just finished the second video and also recently downloaded the "event horizon" series, looking forward to that more than anything right now. After all my years studying Anthroposophy, I know in my heart of hearts that Nassim's research and conclusions are incredibly accurate. :)

[jayelowell]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[exford]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgT4i-PqmX8

We invite those who are ready to go to the NEXT LEVEL and are fortunate enough to have 375 dollars to spare.:rolleyes:

[jayelowell]

Small price for the amount of education you'll gain!

[jayelowell]

What has been hidden from the mass public for years,hundreds of years in fact, is a proper education.An education in the art and science of the mind.An education that enables people to discern reality from unreality.
What the ppl need is proper education!:cool:
I would say I am quite educated! I am still being educated and self educated and I hope you are! ;)

Here is some real education for ya'! The word educate has its origin in Latin and derives from the word "educare"; which means to bring forth from within or to bring out potential. So from my perspective means to bring out what we already know what is already inside us!

[exford]

What the ppl need is proper education!:cool:

Thats correct! You mentioned in a prev post we live in the information age and the information is clear..I would say the information is far from clear and its up to us to use our mental faculties correctly, to discern what warrants our attention.
A good place to start is by observing and comprehending how important our language is,how the words we use, are intrinsic to our experience and understanding of our internal and external reality.
By defining reality by its essence(that which makes it what it is) we have the abilty to see through fallacious arguments,information etc. presented to us via various media sources.

BEST.

[skywalker9]

EXFORD what are you here for?

Why don't you start a Guru thread and teach people how to master the essence of life?

Please. Do you think we all need your saving grace or something?

[geminia]

EXFORD what are you here for?

Why don't you start a Guru thread and teach people how to master the essence of life?

Please. Do you think we all need your saving grace or something?

THANK YOU.
Exford just comes here and just blabbering like seriously go somewhere else

[loveliberty]

I am a great admirer of Harameins work and have purchased his DVD set which is amazing and has many gems of information.

Me too! :)

[jayelowell]

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[kblood]

http://www.punkscience.com/

This seems to take what Nassim and Marco Rodin is talking about and applying it to the physics of space, proving it. Well, proving it even more that is. Also the author Dr Samanta-Laughton has a theory that seems to hold water, about everything being black holes, which is not that new, but also that the black hole in the center of our galaxy, and all other black holes are creating more than destroying. That there is coming electrons, photons and other particles out of the black hole. Her theory is that this applies to all black holes, and for the sun that is solar flares, sunlight and such.

Well, read about her, she explains it better than I can.

[plainsight]

Unified scaling law for earthquakes:
http://www.pnas.org/content/99/suppl.1/2509.full

"The law links together the Gutenberg–Richter Law, the Omori Law of aftershocks, and the fractal dimensions of the faults."

"The fault systems and the spatial distribution of epicenters of earthquakes are fractal."

"Earthquakes are a complicated spatiotemporal phenomenon which is poorly understood by looking at individual isolated events. It is important to study large space and time correlations of many events."

Fractal Geometry in the San Andreas Fault System:
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1987/JB092iB01p00345.shtml

[monkeyboy]

some good videos on sacred geometry here:

CGimaging&#39;s Channel - YouTube


http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/


CGimaging&#39;s Channel - YouTube

[phonicboom]

Einstein and thereby Haramein take a knock on the nose with this recheck of Schwarzschild’s solution....


at the Conference of the German Physical Society, Munich, March 9-13, 2009. He concludes, inter alia, that:

• “Schwarzschild’s solution” is not Schwarzschild’s solution. Schwarzschild’s actual solution does not predict black holes. The quantity ‘r’ appearing in the so-called “Schwarzschild solution” is not a distance of any kind. This simple fact completely subverts all claims for black holes.

• Despite claims for discovery of black holes, nobody has ever found a black hole; no infinitely dense point-mass singularity and no event horizon have ever been found. There is no physical evidence for the existence of infinitely dense point-masses.

• It takes an infinite amount of observer time to verify the presence of an event horizon, but nobody has been and nobody will be around for an infinite amount of time. No observer, no observing instruments, no photons, no matter can be present in a spacetime that by construction contains no matter.

• The black hole is fictitious and so there are no black hole generated gravitational waves. The international search for black holes and their gravitational waves is ill-fated.

• The Michell-Laplace dark body is not a black hole. Newton’s theory of gravitation does not predict black holes. General Relativity does not predict black holes. Black holes were spawned by (incorrect) theory, not by observation. The search for black holes is destined to find none.

• No celestial body has ever been observed to undergo irresistible gravitational collapse. There is no laboratory evidence for irresistible gravitational collapse. Infinitely dense point-mass singularities howsoever formed cannot be reconciled with Special Relativity, i.e. they violate Special Relativity, and therefore violate General Relativity.

• General Relativity cannot account for the simple experimental fact that two fixed bodies will approach one another upon release. There are no known solutions to Einstein’s field equations for two or more masses and there is no existence theorem by which it can even be asserted that his field equations contain latent solutions for such configurations of matter. All claims for black hole interactions are invalid.

• Einstein’s gravitational waves are fictitious; Einstein’s gravitational energy cannot be localised; so the international search for Einstein’s gravitational waves is destined to detect nothing. No gravitational waves have been detected.

• Einstein’s field equations violate the experimentally well-established usual conservation of energy and momentum, and therefore violate the experimental evidence.

In an audience of theoretical physicists there was stunned silence—and not a single question.

[skywalker9]

Whether there is a black hole in the center of galaxies, or not, all of the observations, speculations, mathematical models or predictions over time all point towards some sort of center, point, source, or axle within organized observable material systems. Call it what you want, don't even call it a black hole, there is something central, something emanational or something attractional, most of all something that causes observable spin. Nassim Harameins theories don't wholly revolve around the actual Schwarzschild solution or whoever wrote it or manipulated it, he has modified it anyway. His theory revolves around vortex physics and he speculates on a cause of these visible affects.

The axiom 'Same above as Below' works by proportional geometry and scaling laws, a major part of Nassims work. And the basis of many ancient Sciences. The source of this universally observable path that is followed and revolved around by organized material manifestation has been in question in physics for centuries, what label is put on possible solutions to this central point problem is not important, what is important is physicists like Nassim Haramein and Einstein, to name just a couple, that attempt new discoveries in the midst of the static of skeptics with no scientific background or imaginations of their own. Without people like this humanity goes nowhere. A world populated solely of skeptics without curious explorational natures dies out having evolved or developed nothing, because no one believes anything is possible, everyone thinks that thinking differently is crazy and imagination is regarded as insanity.

A little skepticism is healthy in this age but 'Overactive skeptics' are the proudly stuck anchors of humanities evolutionary progress.

http://www.ga.gov.au/servlet/BigObjFileManager?bigobjid=GA9679

[exford]

Black holes were spawned by (incorrect) theory, not by observation.

In an audience of theoretical physicists there was stunned silence—and not a single question.

Perhaps the implications of the statement above rendered them speechless.:D

[skywalker9]

Perhaps the implications of the statement above rendered them speechless.:D

You come across so happy about your conclusion? What have you to add in the way of understanding, to back up the statements just posted by phonic???

The essence of nearly all of your posts in this thread are never short of being profoundly useless to the topic. When ideas look like failing, words come in so handy for you don't they. Anyone can right negative sentences, few can back them.

What is your roughest answer to these... Why does a galaxy, a cyclone, and a whorl-pool have the same dynamics and yet exist on vastly different scales? Why do they conform to the same geometrical proportions? Explain the snowflake, why does the Nautilus shell spin?

These are scientific observations some people like to look into, if you think that is fraud you should use your magnifying glass to see that your in the wrong thread.

[skywalker9]

Here 'me' is, commencing an argument over a point, unfortunately it is what works acceptably these days, as it seems to be, for the majority, what science has come to for it's expression in this age of greed, excessive pride, gluttony and hopeless revenge. Kids at the wheel, yet to learn how the simple law of cause and effect works. I would never be so ignorant as to say with complete surety a physicist was right or wrong, never would I add a smile to it either. Simply because I am still obviously trying to work it out for myself. I do not go so far as to imply, as many do with their skeptical remarks, that I am one of the one's that know everything already.

Science will always hit the wall trying to explain the universe from 'only' the observable phenomena, infra or ultra-variety included. Not only that, they generally try, or are only educated to discover the theory of everything by merely searching through previous scientific discoveries and hypotheses. This is not the way to incorporate or discover extra-physical forces, fields or causes latent within the way things actually work. These extra or supra physical forces, actualities, fronts of information, pressures of consciousness, seed ideas or phemomena, label them what you will with your words, will only ever be whatever they are discovered to be, not what we coin for them in mere words. These are things which need to be found, revealed or discovered via proportional correspondence or something like examining predictable yet unsounded overtones in acoustics, in other words a 'new' way. Other wise we are going 'no' where.

I like Nassim Haramein because he is open minded normal person observing the universe, his views cover holography, fractals, 'consciousness', scaling laws, ancient sciences, geometry, singularity, vortex physics along side his Swartzchild proton paper. The holofractographic universe of Haramein will be hard to break, there will be small hickups here and there, but they don't constitute the whole angle of his thinking. His thinking is a breath of fresh air in the world of physics, anything new or rearranged can assist in seeing old speculations in new ways, which can only be conducive to progress. People crashing whole new angles because of small knots in the grain are just revealing their inferiority complexes and worse expressing their closed minded natures out aloud with pride attached, the bigger the words they conduct the more pathetically justified they feel in their blind arguments.

In regards to the Swartzchild proton paper (the 'r' of the swartzchild solution just being a part of this particular co-ordinate system can be made to represent what you like, it's mathematics, a number tool, not religious dogma. And to idiots, anything can be made to sound right or wrong if you can use words persuasively enough) Whether Nassim's labeling of this enigmatic central organization point as 'mini blackholes' in every atom is effective or not. He may have just labelled them as such for matters of relative understanding in regards to newtons 3 dimensional euclidean spacetime models of gravitational force or general relativity's 4 dimensional lorentzian spacetime gravity waves. He calls them singularities at times and black holes at others. Whereas he explains them as points for the self-referentiating of information, which means they work as a type of thermodynamic entropy as an extra-physical nature of space, time, and matter to create their attraction and emenational waves or forces. Which is not something that will be found externally as a graviton particle. These things are more likely to be anomaly/s that would and can only be seen in effects with our instruments, not always as causes observed. These active or passive unseen things need to be incorporated into out lists of seen things in order to create more complete ideas of the way 'it' actually works and sustains our conscious existence.

Out of a seed comes a whole tree, out of a 'something' comes a galaxy, matter was emanated from some central point and it returns via another, or the same one upside down, whatever, whether this is the poles of a dipole in the vacuum, a singularity, a dark body, a cosmic drain, a galactic dreamer's mind, or a black hole does not matter. We just have to work it out because we are human's and we love to 'know'. The fact that we are thinking about it is what matters, and it is the only way we will come to anything constructive to work with. Skeptics shutting this process down are only bricks in the wall. The sad thing is, many of them don't even know the extent of what they are doing. Time as we do things today, in our apparently super advanced modern life, is running out.

There needs to be a complete reformation of the way we approach the study of the universe, science needs to learn how to examine unobservables, or in a better way, scientifically by their effects, or we are walking in circles arguing instead of progressing. (Or possibly already discovered working models need to be revealed now, which would also be better for the future lives of the concealers if they exist, cause and effect works under, on or off planet. Change can also be power by means of counter measure in the favor of the first mover, especially if it is ultimately benevolent) Anyway, the competitive nature of science pushes things forward, but the hopeless losers in what has decadently become a dogmatic orthodox combat of beliefs just retard the progress of humanities evolution by jealously guarding old worn out speculations like spiteful idiots in some schoolyard rivalry.

Good fortune to the open minded ones, they understand that the discovery of truth is also a process of removing error.

http://tzaadi.com/wp-content/images/brassico_romanesco_fractal.jpg

[skywalker9]

Nassim Harameins 'Black Whole/White Whole' theory, is a new concept in regards to normal black hole hypotheses.

Haramein on the Sun - YouTube

Along with the solar storm activity that hit earth on monday the 5th, there was an increase of earthquakes and tremors that day. This points to a fairly clear link between solar activity and earthquakes on earth. It will be interesting to observe if this happens again in connection with the next solar storm activity.

[musten]

Our universe at home within a larger universe? So suggests IU theoretical physicist's wormhole research (http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/13995.html) - IU theoretical physicist Nikodem Poplawski in research published in "Physics Letters B" uses Euclidean-based mathematical modeling to suggest that all black holes may have wormholes inside which exist universes created at the same time as the black holes.

[jayelowell]

I think you all will enjoy some entertainment at the moment.
Keep a sharp eye while watching this movie. Be sure to pick up on all the 19.5, 333, etc. references!

http://movie25.com/mission-to-mars_653.html

[exford]

http://worldnpa.ning.com/video/2083576:Video:555

[schroedingerscat]

From Science daily, more of that natural philosophy;

— Could our universe be located within the interior of a wormhole which itself is part of a black hole that lies within a much larger universe?

Such a scenario in which the universe is born from inside a wormhole (also called an Einstein-Rosen Bridge) is suggested in a paper from Indiana University theoretical physicist Nikodem Poplawski in Physics Letters B. The final version of the paper was available online March 29 and will be published in the journal edition April 12.

Poplawski takes advantage of the Euclidean-based coordinate system called isotropic coordinates to describe the gravitational field of a black hole and to model the radial geodesic motion of a massive particle into a black hole.

In studying the radial motion through the event horizon (a black hole's boundary) of two different types of black holes -- Schwarzschild and Einstein-Rosen, both of which are mathematically legitimate solutions of general relativity -- Poplawski admits that only experiment or observation can reveal the motion of a particle falling into an actual black hole. But he also notes that since observers can only see the outside of the black hole, the interior cannot be observed unless an observer enters or resides within.

"This condition would be satisfied if our universe were the interior of a black hole existing in a bigger universe," he said. "Because Einstein's general theory of relativity does not choose a time orientation, if a black hole can form from the gravitational collapse of matter through an event horizon in the future then the reverse process is also possible. Such a process would describe an exploding white hole: matter emerging from an event horizon in the past, like the expanding universe."

A white hole is connected to a black hole by an Einstein-Rosen bridge (wormhole) and is hypothetically the time reversal of a black hole. Poplawski's paper suggests that all astrophysical black holes, not just Schwarzschild and Einstein-Rosen black holes, may have Einstein-Rosen bridges, each with a new universe inside that formed simultaneously with the black hole.

"From that it follows that our universe could have itself formed from inside a black hole existing inside another universe," he said.

By continuing to study the gravitational collapse of a sphere of dust in isotropic coordinates, and by applying the current research to other types of black holes, views where the universe is born from the interior of an Einstein-Rosen black hole could avoid problems seen by scientists with the Big Bang theory and the black hole information loss problem which claims all information about matter is lost as it goes over the event horizon (in turn defying the laws of quantum physics).

This model in isotropic coordinates of the universe as a black hole could explain the origin of cosmic inflation, Poplawski theorizes.

Poplawski is a research associate in the IU Department of Physics. He holds an M.S. and a Ph.D. in physics from Indiana University and a M.S. in astronomy from the University of Warsaw, Poland.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100406172648.htm

[musten]

"Marko Rodin w/ Nassim Haramein & Jamie Buturff @ Tesla Tech discussing Rodin Coil"
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by The Resonance Project Foundation.

These videos were 9 parts uploaded by "theUMMCorg's Channel" in youtube 6 months ago. Still available, only few of them, at "TheUFOeffect's Channel" in youtube. If you know where we can watch them again or could upload them in other site please share. Thanks a lot.

[sadukan]

— Could our universe be located within the interior of a wormhole which itself is part of a black hole that lies within a much larger universe?

..."From that it follows that our universe could have itself formed from inside a black hole existing inside another universe," he said.



rephrasing slightly...

"Could our universe be an oxymoron?"

"From that it follows that our universe could be an oxymoron..."

oh really...?



Poplawski is a research associate in the IU Department of Physics. He holds an M.S. and a Ph.D. in physics from Indiana University and a M.S. in astronomy from the University of Warsaw, Poland.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100406172648.htm

I don't care if this "fizzycyst" has the letters "PhD" after his name... if he doesn't realise that the phrase "another universe" is an oxymoron, then he doesn't deserve them.
(as a "Doctor of Philosophy" he should know better).

"A much larger universe," you say...?

Surely a uni-verse (a singular term, and hence with respect to itself alone), is identical in size to itself. Therefore, there is no such entity as a "larger" or "smaller" uni-verse.

It's like the guy at the end of Garrett Lisi's TED talk on youtube asking him "How big is E8...?"
(it's an abstract formalism and hence has a size equal to itself; like any abstract entity, its scale is arbitrary.)

sheesh... and some of you people think Nassim and Marko are the charlatans!?

Let me briefly consider a couple more common "fizzyx" terms:

"Multi-verse" - which may lead to infinite regression; arbitrary without a default value. Just how many of these "multi-" verses exist is never mentioned. I don't think anyone knows, or can enumerate them anyway (including David Deutsch who seems fond of using it). I mean, what if you missed one of them...? And, how would you know if you had missed one of them...? And, if it didn't matter if you missed one of them, then it doesn't matter if you missed any of them - including this one!!! Overruled.

"point-particle" - as Nassim makes clear, how can something that doesn't exist factor anything into anything? This conception is just a fudgefactor, yet millions of unsuspecting supporters of "fizzyx" take it as gospel.

Philosophically speaking, a better term than "uni-verse" might be "omni-verse".
This is because, (reductio ad absurdum) if we assume that more than one "uni-verse" exists, then if there is any interaction between them, strictly they are not "uni-", they are "omni-"; not separate, but linked and so not singular in themselves... and therefore NOT universes!!! Else if they are not linked, then there's no point in discussing them at all anyway, since this "other" pseudo-verse can never affect us. And, which one is the "pseudo-verse"...? (right - NOT this one, because that would be silly wouldn't it Mr Deutsch?), QED.

The term "omni-verse" would take into account the "nested" structures mentioned, without leading to oxymoron OR infinite regress. Not separate "uni-verses" (oxymoron) or an unknown number of independent "multi-verses" (undefined and redundant).

The key concepts which Nassim introduces to overcome this less than satisfactory situation are boundary conditions and fractality.

The boundary conditions give a scale reference and the fractality offers a linkage between boundaries via an abstracted formalism equally applicable to all domains.



...This model in isotropic coordinates of the universe as a black hole could explain the origin of cosmic inflation, Poplawski theorizes.



I think he just pulled that one out of a hat (or another dark hole).
"Could"...? So, he doesn't know then - what hope is there for the rest of us?

Also, a "blackhole" might not be isotropic/spherical - it might be toroidal with a "whitepole" axis. That's my analysis anyway, based on many Hubble Telescope images. Well, it "could" be - right...?

I fail to see why anyone should "trust" this PhD (who can't even use "well-formed" terminology in his fudged "hypothesis" and "theorised" conclusion) to have any more credibility than Nassim or Marko. And if they do, I'd like them to explain why - in great detail. kthx.

sadukan.

PS Ok, maybe I am being a bit harsh but I insist on correct terminology in these matters. I re-read the article and I suppose it could admit a "boundary condition"/"fractality" scenario - eventhough this is not mentioned explicitly. Though, if he mentions Nassim's papers in his references I'd be very surprised indeed. The "Einstein-Rosen (http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2010/04/100406172648.jpg)" bridge, does fit a toroidal formalism:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2010/04/100406172648.jpg

"over it is 19 (http://www.virtuescience.com/19.html)"[74:30]
(DiYu - 18 Levels of Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu#Eighteen_levels_of_Hell))
Philip LeMarchand (http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/)
http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/LamentTN.jpg
Wei-Qi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(board_game))

[mythmath]

HexStar Vortex

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/HexStarVortexcopy.jpg

[mane]

HexStar Vortex

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4337/hexstarvortexcopy.jpg

interesting what orientation does

[mythmath]

You know, I incorporate 90-degree rotation shifts
quite a bit; graphically, sonically, philosophically...

What does this change in the HexStar Vortex
graphic suggest or reveal to you, mane...?

[mane]

You know, I incorporate 90-degree rotation shifts
quite a bit; graphically, sonically, philosophically...

What does this change in the HexStar Vortex
graphic suggest or reveal to you, mane...?

Difference forms dimension. We see archetypes through this principle:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a187/theManeone/archetypes-of-dimension.jpg

These are the fulcrums in self-referential growth systems,
observing universal principles through line system dynamics;
Parallel and proportionate systems resonate,
while difference forms dimension.

The HexStar Vortex is an archetypal organization of line,
with proportionate and off-set form at each level;
in other words, it is the highest organization of dimension.
The rotation is a shift from dynamic to static orientation,
relative to the observed level.

Your graphic is observing an interval of each orientation.
I see the form spinning, literally as a vortex,
oscillating between proportionate intervals,
at divisions of 6, and 12 points in each cycle.

[jayelowell]

Mike_Bara_AlienEventMarch2010_Part_I.wmv - YouTube

Mike_Bara_AlienEventMarch2010_Part_II.wmv - YouTube

[jayelowell]

Are you watching closely?

[fr0sty]

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42595

From the apples at your local grocery store to the pills in your medicine cabinet, packing products in an efficient manner is an important consideration in many industries. In new research, a group of physicists in the US has investigated the packing properties of a less familiar object, though it may be recognizable to players of the game Dungeons and Dragons – the tetrahedral die. They find that these shapes pack incredibly densely, despite taking on a highly disordered configuration.

Tetrahedra are regular convex shapes possessing four triangular faces. To date very little research has been carried out on how these shapes pack together. But a better understanding of this process could be of interest to geological industries such as oil companies when choosing where to drill their wells. This is because granular matter is more similar to tetrahedra than spheres, which is how it is depicted in basic geological models.

[fr0sty]

Balancing "Cube" Robot Can Stand On Any Single Point

http://media.techeblog.com/images/balancing_cube_robot.jpg

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/balancing-cube-robot-can-stand-on-any-single-point

The Balancing Cube, ETH Zurich - YouTube

[orslah]

We are moving through time/space in a spiral motion.

This has got to be the best example for me as a visual that we are moving in a spiral motion through time/space.

Check it out !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTHo0K2Sc0g&feature=related

Love Debbie

[whatistruth]

We are moving through time/space in a spiral motion.

This has got to be the best example for me as a visual that we are moving in a spiral motion through time/space.

Check it out !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTHo0K2Sc0g&feature=related

Love Debbie


Bullets travel like that because the barrel of the gun has something called rifling down it, basically its a spiral twist in the barrel that grinds into the bullet as it passes through and makes it fly straight.

Nothing to do with hippie new age garbage like this thread.

[mane]

Bullets travel like that because the barrel of the gun has something called rifling down it, basically its a spiral twist in the barrel that grinds into the bullet as it passes through and makes it fly straight.

Nothing to do with hippie new age garbage like this thread.

Your reply is accurate, to the effectiveness of vortex dynamics in the universe, and the size and shape of your box.

[barbitone]

Bullets travel like that because the barrel of the gun has something called rifling down it, basically its a spiral twist in the barrel that grinds into the bullet as it passes through and makes it fly straight.

Nothing to do with hippie new age garbage like this thread.

Suck my Jaggon. :p

[schroedingerscat]

BAD hippies!

:takes away bong:

[white horse]

Your reply is accurate, to the effectiveness of vortex dynamics in the universe, and the size and shape of your box.

Lol!

He is right tho. It's not vortex dynamics of the universe, it's simple engineering. :cool:

BUT - I believe the video is a good visual aid to demonstrate spiralacity! :) As a spiral is one of the most fundamental geometric shapes of the cosmos and is an indicator of Chaotic fractals.

...

omg :O !!

You guys - have given me the inspiration... thinkng about chaotic fractal equations... being at the heart ofthe fundamental nature of the cosmos...

I know what the Big Bang was all about!! o my!!

I'll have to explain properly later if I can, must just gush this out before I forget how I got to this thought!

There is no time as such. Each quanta of 'time' is a step in a chaotic fractal equation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, in simplistic terms, infinite chaotic fractal equations include a feedback loop. That is - step 2 of the eqation affects what happened to step 1.

The fractal needs to jump back a step to actually start itself off. Then once it has begun it can grow exponentially forever.

It cannot generate a corect answer for step 1 until it has an aswer for step 2...

So for instance - generating a Mandelbrot set, the first step of the equation is 'held in potentia' while it then calculates the first iteration of step 2 - then this answer to step 2 is fed back into step one; and the answer to step 1 then changes the original answer to step 2, which changes the answer to step 1, which changes the answer for step 2 ad infinitum.

Plotting the numbers that result from this feedback loop at certain intervals (the resolution) is what gives you all those pretty patterns when you geenerate a fractal.

Mr Mandelbrot spent years plotting the firs few pixels of the Mandebrot set - later computers can generate it to infinity.

Well - the cosmos is based on fractalisation. Everything is fractally generated according to the lawws of chaos and feedback loops.

The Big Bang was the first generation of Step One of the equation - it was not properly formed because it did not yet have the answers from step 2.

The Big Bang did not happen as we thing it did - the Big Bang was a hiccup in time, a step back as teh cosmos reversed a little to feed back the infromation from the later universe into the early universe!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

i wish I coudl explain this! I can see it in my head... wish the words would come out!!

What we are seeing is an echo of that skip-jump.

What that also means is that we are affecting the past!!

I knew this!!

All my research on 911 has pointed towards this - the pst is different today to how the past was a few years ago - every one can see that!! History is different for the Victorians than it is for us - not JUST because our understandings and methods and technology have changed - BUT BECAUSE THE VERY PAST WE ARE LOOKING AT CHANGES OVER TTIME DUE TO THE FEEDBACK EQUATION LOOP!!!!!

EUREKA-KA-KA-KAA!!!! :D

I finally craked it!! I think I understand the nature of reality, of time and space!!!

o wow!

I'll try to fit more words to it whne I can understand how to do that better - i can see this in my thoughts but I am struggling to explain it to myself in language!!

[orslah]

Bullets travel like that because the barrel of the gun has something called rifling down it, basically its a spiral twist in the barrel that grinds into the bullet as it passes through and makes it fly straight.

Nothing to do with hippie new age garbage like this thread.

Thanks for the reply. I know a gun has a rifling down it. I was simply acknowledging that I appreciated this example as a visual for the Spiraling Vortex.

Love Debbie

[orslah]

Morgan Freeman takes us on a fascinating trip in 5 Parts.

You'll see Rodins Coil and Nassims Math.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3E0...eature=related

Enjoy
Love Debbie

[conradbr]

extremely recommended.

[normaltime]

Bullets travel like that because the barrel of the gun has something called rifling down it, basically its a spiral twist in the barrel that grinds into the bullet as it passes through and makes it fly straight.

Nothing to do with hippie new age garbage like this thread.

Are you that ignorant to ignore the facts presented by these physicists, which are just as valid as (if not more) than the science you've been talked in schools.

Just cos the facts are not being broadcast in the main news stations doesn't mean they're gobbledygook.

[orslah]

A very beautifully made video worth sharing.

"Nature by Numbers"

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkGeOWYOFoA

[fr0sty]

A very beautifully made video worth sharing.

"Nature by Numbers"

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkGeOWYOFoA

very nice video...

[orslah]

Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

I noticed that when the wave goes through the 2 slits it creates a pattern of NEYEN lines on the wall.

That brings Marko Rodins work to mind.

Hummmm.

[neutral]

Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

I noticed that when the wave goes through the 2 slits it creates a pattern of NEYEN lines on the wall.

That brings Marko Rodins work to mind.

Hummmm.

Good post, :) enjoyed watching it. Marko Rodin, exactly.

[fr0sty]

I used Google Sketchup software and made these
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/download?mid=c76b5c18b7d9117c3b7be585354ce2c1&rtyp=lt&ctyp=other&ts=1277659815000
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=c76b5c18b7d9117c3b7be585354ce2c1

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/download?mid=4fede8ce451dd4543b7be585354ce2c1&rtyp=lt&ctyp=other&ts=1277660122000

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=c76b5c18b7d9117c3b7be585354ce2c1

[schroedingerscat]

Another article suggesting the Ark is in Yemen:

http://www.henrymakow.com/gods_iphone_ark_of_the_covenan.html

[exford]

Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

I noticed that when the wave goes through the 2 slits it creates a pattern of NEYEN lines on the wall.

That brings Marko Rodins work to mind.

Hummmm.

The validity of the double slit experiment and its implications,are being sreiously questioned in some quarters.

[schroedingerscat]

Here's where Nassim replies to one of his critics, two links, not necessarily in their proper order:

http://theresonanceproject.org/bob.html

http://theresonanceproject.org/sp_manifesto.html

[barbitone]

Here's where Nassim replies to one of his critics, two links, not necessarily in their proper order:

http://theresonanceproject.org/bob.html

http://theresonanceproject.org/sp_manifesto.html

This is a very good clarification from Nassim....well done!:D

[orslah]

Here's where Nassim replies to one of his critics, two links, not necessarily in their proper order:

http://theresonanceproject.org/bob.html

http://theresonanceproject.org/sp_manifesto.html

Enjoyed these Schroedingerscat

Thanks for the share. :)

[schroedingerscat]

Not surprisingly, Nassim was quite kind, and showed a very good nature in his response to the gentleman's misunderstanding.

[kingmob]

That Bob a thon dude got completely owned.

[plainsight]

This image was posted in the crop circles section, but it needs to be here as well, since Nassim covered CCs in his lectures and it goes with his theories.

We now have better understanding of this kind of CCs, thanks to Nassim. I bet you can overlay his 64 tetrahedron grid with this.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/whitesleethill/Whitesleet-3-IMG_4229.jpg

Here are the diagrams: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/whitesleethill/diagrams.html

[steve1964]

I bet it does, an interesting bloke the Nassim

[mythmath]

All hex-based geometries will ultimately key together...

Having said that, this pair, as you suspected, locks together...


Crop circle over 64-tetrahedron grid

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/Cropcircleover64tetrahedralgridcopy.jpg

[barbitone]

All hex-based geometries will ultimately key together...

Having said that, this pair, as you suspected, locks together...


Crop circle over 64-tetrahedron grid

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/Cropcircleover64tetrahedralgridcopy.jpg


Beautiful work bro!:D

[monkeyboy]

interesting article. (http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/paradigm-shift-in-science-morphic-fields-and-resonance/)

[orslah]

Found thses patterns interesting.

free energy - race to zero point - walter russell and viktor schauberger segment


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7453687923054032622&hl=en#


:)

[fr0sty]

thanks orslah. :)
check this out!!!!! YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[mythmath]

thanks orslah. :)
check this out!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4rv9BqTWzI
quoted to reveal viddy

[schroedingerscat]

Here's a video belonging on this thread;
If we could re-build the Ark of the covenant today, what practical use would it have? What effect would it have on our society? This video answers some interesting questions about what the Ark actually is and what new technologies it could lead to.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Forbidden Knowledge, The Secret Of Creation, Part 5

[juttkeys]

Now without wanting to cause a stir here as ive watched many of Nassims videos several times and I like the guy I certainly think he's onto something and have done for a while, though was just wondering what folk think about this blog debunking a lot of his work? just for a balanced perspective on things here
certainly seems to make a few good points?

http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/06/whats-so-misleading-about-nassim.html

any thoughts?

[barbitone]

Now without wanting to cause a stir here as ive watched many of Nassims videos several times and I like the guy I certainly think he's onto something and have done for a while, though was just wondering what folk think about this blog debunking a lot of his work? just for a balanced perspective on things here
certainly seems to make a few good points?

http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/06/whats-so-misleading-about-nassim.html

any thoughts?

Read Nassims reply:



http://theresonanceproject.org/bob.html

http://theresonanceproject.org/sp_manifesto.html

[jayelowell]

Are we all still looking at the same pen? ;)

[barbitone]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727703.000-every-black-hole-may-hold-a-hidden-universe.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=physics-math

Every black hole may hold a hidden universe

* 23 July 2010 by Anil Ananthaswamy

WE COULD be living inside a black hole. This head-spinning idea is one cosmologist's conclusion based on a modification of Einstein's equations of general relativity that changes our picture of what happens at the core of a black hole.

In an analysis of the motion of particles entering a black hole, published in March, Nikodem Poplawski of Indiana University in Bloomington showed that inside each black hole there could exist another universe (Physics Letters B, DOI: 10.1016/j.physletb.2010.03.029). "Maybe the huge black holes at the centre of the Milky Way and other galaxies are bridges to different universes," Poplawski says. If that is correct - and it's a big "if" - there is nothing to rule out our universe itself being inside a black hole.

In Einstein's general relativity (GR), the insides of black holes are "singularities" - regions where the density of matter reaches infinity. Whether the singularity is an actual point of infinite density or just a mathematical inadequacy of GR is unclear, as the equations of GR break down inside black holes. Either way, the modified version of Einstein's equations used by Poplawski does away with the singularity altogether.

For his analysis, Poplawski turned to a variant of GR called the Einstein-Cartan-Kibble-Sciama (ECKS) theory of gravity. Unlike Einstein's equations, ECKS gravity takes account of the spin or angular momentum of elementary particles. Including the spin of matter makes it possible to calculate a property of the geometry of space-time called torsion.

When the density of matter reaches gargantuan proportions (more than about 1050 kilograms per cubic metre) inside a black hole, torsion manifests itself as a force that counters gravity. This prevents matter compressing indefinitely to reach infinite density, so there is no singularity. Instead, says Poplawski, matter rebounds and starts expanding again.

Now, in what is sure to be a controversial study, Poplawski has applied these ideas to model the behaviour of space-time inside a black hole the instant it starts rebounding (arxiv.org/abs/1007.0587). The scenario resembles what happens when you compress a spring: Poplawski has calculated that gravity initially overcomes torsion's repulsive force and keeps compressing matter, but eventually the repulsive force gets so strong that the matter stops collapsing and rebounds. Poplawski's calculations show that space-time inside the black hole expands to about 1.4 times its smallest size in as little as 10-46 seconds.

This staggeringly fast bounce-back, says Poplawski, could have been what led to the expanding universe we observe today.

How would we know if we are living inside a black hole? Well, a spinning black hole would have imparted some spin to the space-time inside it, and this should show up as a "preferred direction" in our universe, says Poplawski. Such a preferred direction would result in the violation of a property of space-time called Lorentz symmetry, which links space and time. It has been suggested that such a violation could be responsible for the observed oscillations of neutrinos from one type to another (Physical Review D, DOI: 10.1103/PhysRevD.74.105009).


Sadly, there is no point in us looking for other universes inside black holes. As you approach a black hole, the increasing gravitational field makes time tick slower and slower. So, for an external observer, any new universe inside would form only after an infinite amount of time had elapsed.

[exford]

Courtesy of bones!

Nature by Numbers - YouTube

[jayelowell]

^Excellent vid!!!

[zeroone]

As he said:

"Increase motion-in-opposition and every
effect of the illusion intensifies to its limitation
of the universal white light of Mind."

W.R.

:eek:

Hmmmmmm, about that ...

SeeU
01

[jayelowell]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[jayelowell]

Nassim Haramein Strolls with ChrispyT at NEXUS.mpg - YouTube

[jayelowell]

The Whey of the Solar Vortex... (in technicolor)...
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx289/Melchizedek888/TrippingTheWhey.jpg

:)) Jx ...

[mythmath]

The Spiral Paths of Sol and the Inner Planets

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx289/Melchizedek888/TrippingTheWhey.jpg


So much more dynamic than the image of the Solar System
as a 'record album' that I had in my head as a kid...


:cool:









btw, what's the primary source of the original graphic...?

.

[jayelowell]

http://www.feandft.com/

The solar system&#39;s motion thru space by The Resonance Project / Nassim Haramein.avi - YouTube

[jayelowell]

http://www.feandft.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBlAGGzup48
http://www.atmann.net/images/ss.gif


...and just to keep our topic relevent;
First Multi-Planet System Discovered by Kepler - YouTube
NASA obviously selected this ONE star system -- out of how many thousands seen by Kepler so far? -- that had TWO planets orbiting this star, which (VERY closely) circ...le in ~19.5 days and TWICE that ...39 days ... in accordance to their NASa Alignment Rituals!

They "cherry picked" the data ... to showcase THOSE "ritual HD numbers." No question.

That was the ONLY reason, apparently, they even held this press conference!

And, they ignored the almost 200 "Earth-like planets" that their own Co-Investigator for the Kepler Mission, Dr.Dimitar Sasselov (from Harvard University) ANNOUNCED in public, at the Oxford TED Conference, held at Oxford University in England MONTHS ago ....

The ONLY reason to hold this "breathless" Kepler NASA Press Conference today ... was to announce "two planets conforming to NASA's two key ritual numbers!"

It was a total travesty of any real "science."

And, they COMPLETELY IGNORED the previously-announced existence of the objects the American tax payer REALLY wants to hear about--

The literally HUNDREDS of "Earth-like planets" Kepler has already discovered ... and, which have been publkicly announced ... R.C.H.

[mythmath]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxjffeDfpgQ&feature=player_embedded

Parts of that reminded me of a video that I had
made based on the Planetary (magick) Squares:

Magick Square Dance with Ambient Soundtrack - YouTube

[jayelowell]

http://www.atmann.net/images/ss8x10w.gif

[noewhan]

http://www.atmann.net/images/ss.gif



Interesting. Suddenly I am reminded about 'spring' - and how some quotes (http://ezinearticles.com/?Spring-Quotations---Top-30-Quotations-About-Spring-Time&id=24532) could have been referring to the image / physics above and not the season.

[ragnarok]

I like this guy. Thanks for putting me on to him, gang.


There's some interesting reading in this kinda related link http://www.tonyb.freeyellow.com/id73.html - especially the section towards the bottom about the Blackfoot indians. Don't just take my word for it tho'; have a read.

Warning: Lot's of equations in the first half, which may induce headaches. :)

A brief-ish extract.
Blackfoot Physics and European Minds by F. David Peat

Abstract:

Western science and 'European consciousness' is contrasted with that
of Indigenous and traditional peoples. The metaphysics of the
Blackfoot of North America and this vision of an animate world is
examined. It is argued that something similar existed in Europe of
the early middle-ages but that the secularization of space, time and
matter paved the way for the development of science. A new science
may be possible which combines the current power of abstraction and
analysis with an 'impersonal subjectivity'.

Introduction:

European consciousness dominates the world. As we move towards the
next millennium will this continue to be the case? In this article I
explore a radically different world-view, that of the Blackfoot of
North America, and ask if their approach to society and the natural
world has anything of significance to teach us.

Indeed, can the study of alternative ways of thinking give rise to a
creative response within our own consciousness?

[schroedingerscat]

This is a link to an interactive scaling toy, to help keep things in perspective.
Enjoy!
http://htwins.net/scale/index.html

[steve1964]

This is a link to an interactive scaling toy, to help keep things in perspective.
Enjoy!
http://htwins.net/scale/index.html
Thats pretty cool

[jayelowell]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[jayelowell]

Lastest interview... 10/27-10/28
http://www.davidgibbons.org/id214.html

[amnesiapath]

Lastest interview... 10/27-10/28
http://www.davidgibbons.org/id214.html

Thanks,

I've been searching a while for any latest Haramein interviews

[jayelowell]

^Your welcome!

[exford]

Einsteins idiots #1

01 What&#39;s the point? - YouTube

[sadukan]

I made a post (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059335347&postcount=5) to another thread related to these conceptual errors:

I began reading a very interesting book recently called "Quantum Questions - Mystical Writings of the World's Greatest Physicists" edited by Ken Wilber.
Synopsis

Brings together the mystical writings of quantum physicists and relativity scientists Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Einstein, de Broglie, Jeans, Planck, Pauli, and Eddington to reveal how each of these men of science came to see the world as a spiritual rather than material phenomenon.
See, "fizzycysts" (as I like to call them) don't even know how to define concepts such as "energy". For example, if we take a quantum of light energy as:

E=hv

where a constant (h) is factored by a frequency (v), then we simply have just a number. So, we might surmise that Energy is number. This ties in to Energy defined as a frequency (v) or vibration.

One interesting extrapolation can be gleaned by redefining (v) as its reciprocal (inverted form) duration (T). Specifically, this is defined as "the Time taken to perform one cycle" - whereas frequency would be "cycles per second". So, we can rewrite the previous formula as:

E=h/T

T=h/E, is an alternative representation of the same.
v=E/h, is the reciprocal inversion.

So, if we section Time (T) off into chunks of (E) they end up as big as (h). Like simple fractions, if we now arbitrarily fix (h) as "1", then T=1/E; making v=E.

1=TE=E/v

Introducing the concept of wavelength (λ) we can rewrite:

v=c/λ
E=hc/λ

which makes T=λ/c, where (c) is the speed of light.

We can then also fix (c) to be "1", arbitrarily. So we have E=1/λ

Which means that for light in a vacuum, λ=T because 1=TE.
Then since 1/T=v, we can say λ=1/v.

This means that by "normalising" (h) and (c) to unity ("1") we can define "wavelength" (λ) as both Time (T) and the inversion of frequency (1/v).

Wavelength is of course a distance - so we now have Length (λ) defined.

So, the above analysis (by normalising two constants, h and c) "proves" that Length is Time; Frequency is then the inverse of Length.

The only minor problem with this analysis is that by normalising the constants we have to redefine their units.

sadukan.

PS - Also, E=n.hv is the equation involving multiple "photons" (n) each of Energy hv. Then we can say, E=n/λ or n=Eλ, which means that number (n) is a Length (λ) factored by an Energy (E). Normalising E, we end up with n=λ, so - number is a Length, the basic definition of an abstract "dimension" and the concept of "cardinality" (size).
PPS - If we now link back up to what was said about Energy being a number, then since number is a Length - so is Energy!!! Energy as Length implies that Space itself is Energy - similar to what Nassim Haramein is saying about the structure of the vacuum being "full" rather than "empty".

Location is a matrix, a point is a network - in terms of topology we all share the same asshole. That was a joke. Albeit ironically true.

Don't reify points into locations. A Network is NOT a Matrix. Simple.
<QED>
"Equinox" (for added emphasis)

Go solve a Koan. Or rather don't - because you can't.

sadukan.

PS - The map is not the territory.

[tehuti]

Einsteins idiots #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSJjs4l_FHU

love gaede in all his eccentricity, crazy man have you read his book, excellent read makes you throw out everything and start again.

[exford]

love gaede in all his eccentricity, crazy man have you read his book, excellent read makes you throw out everything and start again.

Just came across him to be honest, he's a character alright, with an interesting past from what I gather.
That being said I find much of what he presents,indicates that he is a man who has attained a high level of thought.

A level of thought attainable through the Trivium!!

[tehuti]

Yes, running his mouth that boldly suggests some catalyst, thread theory appears rational, so does space-time/relativity debunk.
I'll have to read the book again.:)

[sadukan]

Just wondering if you guys knew that Nassim has a YouTube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheResonanceProject

sadukan.

[fr0sty]

NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope has unveiled a previously unseen structure centered in the Milky Way. The feature spans 50,000 light-years and may be the remnant of an eruption from a supersized black hole at the center of our galaxy.

"What we see are two gamma-ray-emitting bubbles that extend 25,000 light-years north and south of the galactic center," said Doug Finkbeiner, an astronomer at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass., who first recognized the feature. "We don't fully understand their nature or origin."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2010/11/101109152447-large.jpg
From end to end, the newly discovered gamma-ray bubbles extend 50,000 light-years, or roughly half of the Milky Way's diameter, as shown in this illustration. Hints of the bubbles' edges were first observed in X-rays (blue) by ROSAT, a Germany-led mission operating in the 1990s. The gamma rays mapped by Fermi (magenta) extend much farther from the galaxy's plane. (Credit: NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center)

Source: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101109152447.htm

+ a better explanation here: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/news/new-structure.html

[musten]

Just wondering if you guys knew that Nassim has a YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheResonanceProject

Yeah, the same guys claiming copyright and deleting videos.

[schroedingerscat]

link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8125127/Giant-space-bubbles-baffle-astronomers.html)
Giant space bubbles baffle astronomers
Two giant gas bubbles - each one 25,000 light-years wide - discovered in our galaxy are baffling astronomers.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/beehelicopter/Picture4.png
8:47AM GMT 11 Nov 2010

The two vast structures, stretching to the north and to the south of the centre of the Milky Way, are so big that a beam of light, travelling at 186,282 miles per second, would take 50,000 years to get from the edge of one to the edge of the other.

The previously unseen bubbles were discovered by astronomer Doug Finkbeiner, of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts, using NASA's Fermi Gamma-Ray Telescope. He admitted yesterday: "We don't fully understand their nature or origin."

They span more than half the visible sky, from the constellation of Virgo to the constellation of Grus, and are thought to be millions of years old. They were not noticed before because they were lost in a fog of gamma radiation across the sky.

That picture looks familiar...

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/beehelicopter/dualtorus.gif

[amnesiapath]

Nassim Haramein - I Believe

Nassim Haramein - I Believe (OLD) - YouTube

[orslah]

Enjoy :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F71qWfxgIu4&feature=related


.

[mikon2014]

"The name "Harriman" reappears in many Future History stories as the name of various businesses and foundations, indicating that Harriman's impact on that timeline is significant. The name is also used in Variable Star, a novel outlined by Heinlein but written by Spider Robinson, although this novel diverges from the Future History."

From a Wikipedia article about the works of Science Fiction author Robert Heinlein

The Man Who Sold the Moon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It will be interesting 'if' Haramein's theories prove correct.... that we might one day have a 'Haramein Drive' for space travel or a 'Haramein' foundation.....:rolleyes:

[mikon2014]

Some harsh and in depth criticism of Haramein on the link below:

http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/nassim-haramein-fraud-or-sage-part-2.html

[white horse]

Some harsh and in depth criticism of Haramein on the link below:

http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/nassim-haramein-fraud-or-sage-part-2.html

Hmmmm not really tbh... kinda grasping at straws from a first read thru. Still seems that main stream physics has more to answer than Haramein. He may not have mainsteam support - which is inline with what he says - but he is symnpathetic with proponents of chaos theory, Tesla, and others from an esoteric background.

That is the whole point.

He has studied physics but he clearly states he is not a miansteam scientist. He merges esoteric beliefs with ledt-field-physics; you cannot measure NH by comparing him to GCSE physics texts - the central point of his message is the alienation from the ocre of main stream physics - the whole thing is bunk - so why use main streem physics to debunk NH when he has already divorced humself from that field.

This is why he resonates so well with the aly fraternity. Physics can be understood using languge as well as numbers, it can be intuitively grapsed.

I find Harramein's description of the universe far more accepting to my own world view and personal experience than the dry text books.

And he speaks against the very institutions that would grant rewards and recognition in the field of science, as preaching a fa.lse truth, possibly deliberately.

[sadukan]

Nassim goes mainstream:

'The Schwartzschild Proton (http://theresonanceproject.org/pdf/AIP_CP_SProton_Haramein.pdf)' (PDF) published by AIP CP (American Institute of Physics Conference Proceedings (http://proceedings.aip.org/)),

citation:

N. Haramein, The Schwarzschild Proton, AIP CP 1303, ISBN 978-0-7354-0858-6, pp. 95-100, December 2010 (http://scitation.aip.org/getpdf/servlet/GetPDFServlet?filetype=pdf&id=APCPCS@stand/1303toc.pdf&idtype=standpdf).

DISCRETE PHYSICS, THERMODYNAMICS, QUANTUM SYSTEMS, AND GRAVITATION

The Schwarzschild Proton . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 95
N. Haramein

Mainstream...? YES!!!
Conventional...? NO!!!

Congratulations Nassim, where are all the "fizzycyst" critics now...?

sadukan.

PS - Skeptics should try reading:

"Quantum Questions - Mystical Writings of the World's Greatest Physicists (http://www.shambhala.com/html/catalog/items/isbn/978-1-57062-768-2.cfm)":

(quote)
Description of Quantum Questions
Here is collection of writings that bridges the gap between science and religion. Quantum Questions collects the mystical writings of each of the major physicists involved in the discovery of quantum physics and relativity, including Albert Einstein, Werner Heisenberg, and Max Planck. The selections are written in nontechnical language and will be of interest to scientists and nonscientists alike.

(end quote)

Thus, the mystical element has a valid role to play.

Stephen M. Phillips (http://www.smphillips.8m.com/) has a book which deals with some mystical representations of cutting edge physics such as String Theory, M-Theory and Torsion Theory, E8, E8xE8 ...etc. Most of which I was intending to show in my article, glad someone got there first - saves me a lot of work.

He as a couple of free ebooks detailing some of the basics:

Mathematical Meanings of the Names of God (Part 1 (http://www.smphillips.8m.com/pdfs/Mathematical%20meanings%20of%20the%20Names%20of%20 God%20%28Part%201%29.pdf)) (Part 2 (http://www.smphillips.8m.com/pdfs/Mathematical%20meanings%20of%20the%20Names%20of%20 God%20%28Part%202%29.pdf)) [NB - The "Kyron Chip" is on page 52 of Part 2 (which should please "Ralph")]

I also bought his book: The Mathematical Connection between Religion and Science (ISBN-13: 978-1905200856)

I highly recommend this book as essential reading for bridging the gap between the mystical and the scientific view. Some additional PDFs are available to view on his website - here (http://www.smphillips.8m.com/pdf.html). Much of this information is also relevant to the Rodin Thread. I had already been experimenting with some of the basics of the geometric connections displayed in those works - I discovered them a while ago, working on a pseudo-magic hexagon related to the Flower of Life. Nassim mentions the Tree of Life and the Flower of Life in his many presentations - now you have the chance to begin exploring why.

PPS - Objections to Nassim's work probably stem from the "Militant Atheist" camp. This position can be dealt with swiftly and concisely by the following statement:

"Atheists claim in absolute terms that there is no absolute."

Reductio ad absurdum. QED.

[mikon2014]

Some criticism of the Schwarzschild Proton paper here.. 'Bob-a'thon' writes:

"'The Schwarzschild Proton' is a paper written by Nassim Haramein, proposing a model of the proton based on what he calls 'the Schwarzschild condition'.
I've discussed Haramein's methods more broadly here (starting with a look at the award he displays for this paper), but here I'm focusing on the physics in this paper. It's fairly basic, so I'm hoping to be able to present this in a way that makes at least some sense to at least some of Haramein's non-physicist audience who are interested in his ideas."

More info: http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/schwarzchild-proton.html

Mikon writes: ( personally I don't condemn or condone Haramein or his critic nicknamed 'Bob-a-thon', I just thought it might be of interest to those reading around the topic of Haramein and his ideas... it does not appear that 'Bob-a-thon' is writing from a particularly aetheist perspective.. maybe more from a conventional rationalist perspective..However, I have shown Harameins work to some open minded Physicist friends and they remain highly sceptical... )

[barbitone]

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20090108682.pdf

[barbitone]

Nassim Haramein - Sacred Geometry & Unified Fields - YouTube

[rixxmixxhell]

http://htwins.net/scale/index.html

I couldn't resist posting this!!! Scroll the bar and have fun!! :D

[white horse]

http://htwins.net/scale/index.html

I couldn't resist posting this!!! Scroll the bar and have fun!! :D

That is fantastic! Gets my vote for best post of the year!

[jayelowell]

http://earthsky.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/10jul06_430.jpg

Earth will be closest to the sun on Monday, January 3 at 19 hours Universal Time (http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/universal-time) (1 p.m. Central Time).

[plainsight]

This article Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html) seems to describe the same motion Nassim showed with this gif. NASA now calls it dark flow. Have you heard of it?

"The dark flow is controversial because the distribution of matter in the observed universe cannot account for it (they are missing mass). Its existence suggests that some structure beyond the visible universe -- outside our "horizon" -- is pulling on matter in our vicinity."

http://www.theresonanceproject.org/images/graphics/dualtorus.gif

[sadukan]

A recent interview by RedIceRadio focusing on Nassim's Schwartzschild Proton paper...:

link

sadukan.

[firstlook]

I'm sorry dude but that comet always bothered me, I just don't think it happened as NASA says, now its just a view, I shouldn't say it as fact so sorry for sounding like that but the Flare knocking it out of alignment just didn't sit right with me from the second I saw it. Plus there is a big glitch in the video as this happens and if you look at the smooth video you can see a small flash at the bottom right of the comet which looks like a cut and paste of the actual comet itself, This I didn't notice though until I found This (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hercolobus/esp_hercolobus_5.htm), it does raise some good points.

I am quite prepared to be wrong and to be honest I would like nothing more, but I wouldn't trust NASA as far as I could throw them. I do not blame Nassim for using the clip cause its pretty sensational, but strange things are a foot in setting up the world for impending doom and I think this may have been one of those "look what nearly happened" kind of things that well, might not have happened how they said it did, but shit bro, im no astronomer so really what do I know but what I think I know....lol.

So you completely deny the comet ever existed? That it was 100% doctored?

:confused:

[pipebomb]

Thought I'd share this video

Vector Equilibrium: R. Buckminster Fuller

Vector Equilibrium: R. Buckminster Fuller - YouTube

[jayelowell]

Thought I'd share this video

Vector Equilibrium: R. Buckminster Fuller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sM44p385Ws:D

[martg]

link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8125127/Giant-space-bubbles-baffle-astronomers.html)
Giant space bubbles baffle astronomers
Two giant gas bubbles - each one 25,000 light-years wide - discovered in our galaxy are baffling astronomers.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/beehelicopter/Picture4.png
8:47AM GMT 11 Nov 2010

The two vast structures, stretching to the north and to the south of the centre of the Milky Way, are so big that a beam of light, travelling at 186,282 miles per second, would take 50,000 years to get from the edge of one to the edge of the other.

The previously unseen bubbles were discovered by astronomer Doug Finkbeiner, of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts, using NASA's Fermi Gamma-Ray Telescope. He admitted yesterday: "We don't fully understand their nature or origin."

They span more than half the visible sky, from the constellation of Virgo to the constellation of Grus, and are thought to be millions of years old. They were not noticed before because they were lost in a fog of gamma radiation across the sky.

That picture looks familiar...

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/beehelicopter/dualtorus.gif

could this be caused by the magnetic poles of a supermassive black hole?

I remember reading about jets of gas that are ejected by the magnetic poles of black holes, I'm a little unclear on the physics but it went something along the lines of:
As gas falls into the black hole some of it gets carried by the magnetic fields towards the poles, as it falls it accelerates and a proportion of the gas is fired outwards in 'beams' from the north and south poles before it can get trapped below the event horizon.

[sadukan]

Here (http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/E8physicsbook.pdf) is Tony Smith's free eBook on his own "VouDou Physics" model:

NB - check the last page - top-right (recognise anything...?) *hint* (IVM)

Also, this "Galactic" plume thing reminded me of the Vajra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

sadukan.

PS - Here (http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Periodic_Table_of_the_Elements) is a Periodic Table of Elements based on the Vajra.

[bjornyvan]

Hi

I wonder, folks: As you understand it, how do Nassim Haramein and Marko Rodin "compare"? I mean - what do they clearly have in common, and what things are they maybe not (yet) in agreement about?

I like both of them, but I feel closer to MR's work as I am familiar with the enneagram. Haramein's "fundamental pattern" I also find very interesting though. And both guys are funny to listen to.

Could also ask you: Have you been able to relate Sheldrake's Morphic Resonance Fields to the work of either of these two guys?

http://www.constellationworks.com/files/FileUpload/pics/links/Sheldrake.jpg

[fr0sty]

Page not found on Vimeo !!! :D

[fr0sty]

Hi

I wonder, folks: As you understand it, how do Nassim Haramein and Marko Rodin "compare"? I mean - what do they clearly have in common, and what things are they maybe not (yet) in agreement about?

I like both of them, but I feel closer to MR's work as I am familiar with the enneagram. Haramein's "fundamental pattern" I also find very interesting though. And both guys are funny to listen to.

Could also ask you: Have you been able to relate Sheldrake's Morphic Resonance Fields to the work of either of these two guys?

http://www.constellationworks.com/files/FileUpload/pics/links/Sheldrake.jpg

don't forget garret lisi

[jesta_g]

Hi

I wonder, folks: As you understand it, how do Nassim Haramein and Marko Rodin "compare"? I mean - what do they clearly have in common, and what things are they maybe not (yet) in agreement about?

I like both of them, but I feel closer to MR's work as I am familiar with the enneagram. Haramein's "fundamental pattern" I also find very interesting though. And both guys are funny to listen to.

Could also ask you: Have you been able to relate Sheldrake's Morphic Resonance Fields to the work of either of these two guys?

http://www.constellationworks.com/files/FileUpload/pics/links/Sheldrake.jpg



Yes, the Morphic Field is simply understanding the biology of the torsion/unified/source field.

My ex-housemate whom i mentioned a few years ago in this thread has now finally completed her Masters and PHD in Nuclear Magnetic Resonance and Bio-Chemistry. She is currently working with Rupert Sheldrake. I barely see her as she is a very busy lass now travelling the world however I do know that the recent work of Sheldrake and Bruce Lipton has brought them full circle to now co-operating with Nassim Haramein, Dan winter and Marko Rodin. In fact we now have some of the biggest names in new sciences coming together and painting a huge detailed picture of what and how the morphic, bio, heart, unified, source (same dog different colour) field works.


Look further back in this thread, there are plenty of relative links and posts that relate to your qustion. However information, evidence, research and experiments have come a long long way in just 2-3 years.

G

*EDIT: ...And of course Garret Lisi.

[fr0sty]

Garret Lisi explains E8 Geometry - YouTube

for those who don't know about Garret Lisi

[barbitone]

Hi

I wonder, folks: As you understand it, how do Nassim Haramein and Marko Rodin "compare"? I mean - what do they clearly have in common, and what things are they maybe not (yet) in agreement about?

I like both of them, but I feel closer to MR's work as I am familiar with the enneagram. Haramein's "fundamental pattern" I also find very interesting though. And both guys are funny to listen to.

Could also ask you: Have you been able to relate Sheldrake's Morphic Resonance Fields to the work of either of these two guys?

http://www.constellationworks.com/files/FileUpload/pics/links/Sheldrake.jpg

One of the main shared ideas these two have in common is "mini-black holes". I have a video from 1990, of Marko mentioning "mini-black holes'. This idea is fundamental to eliminating the scale division aspect of physics.

[sadukan]

I found this video recently in which Nassim elaborates on his Schwartzschild Proton paper with extra calculations and announces a forthcoming paper based on his findings:

Nassim Haramein We Are All One 2011 - YouTube

These new findings involve how the Planck Length and the Planck Energy describe both the fractal mass of a proton as equal to the entire universe, and also the regular physics measurement of the mass of the proton. He also reviews his application of the Flower of Life geometry to the proton surface in due course. He goes on to describe how each proton can be said to be connected to the others via "wormholes" - almost like a huge cosmic brain. He then demonstrates "Quantum Gravity" from this approach.

I have also advanced my own studies along the lines of Stephen M Phillips (http://www.smphillips.8m.com/) and can report that the Isotropic Vector Matrix can be expressed in gematria as "Pleroma".

The "Pleroma" is the source of spiritual power and fullness of the universe in Gnostic Traditions.

It also shows (in geometric metaphor) that "I and my Father are One":

Dodecahedron-12/Tetrahedron-4/Icosahedron-20/Octahedron-8/Hexahedron-6

Sounds like a hologram to me.

I have also found a tie-in to the work of Stan Tenen (http://www.meru.org/) with his Shushon Flower (http://www.meru.org/Lettermaps/triptag5feb.html) also turning up in the gematria.

"Rose", "Crown" and "Cherub" also appear to be subsets of E8 geometry. I am thinking that the work of Daniel Gleason (http://www.jesus8880.com/) on gematria in the Greek Bible might prove related. For now it's just a hunch, Ezmeralda.

sadukan, King of Fools.

PS I've been using a gematria database (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.asp) on the "BibleWheel" website for checking whether various numbers and geometrical arrays have any significance in the Bible. BTW, I'm not trying to push anything religious, since I am simply working with geometry and gematria here. In fact the author of that website is no longer a believer in Christianity - ironic but true. This approach reflects the work of Stephen M Phillips (http://www.smphillips.8m.com/) and his Kabbalistic/Tetractys related gematria - which also links in to Marko's VBM.
I should also mention Dr Peter Plichta's "Prime Number Cross" and its relation to chemistry and the structure of the Koran.

[phiaera]

Hi

I wonder, folks: As you understand it, how do Nassim Haramein and Marko Rodin "compare"? I mean - what do they clearly have in common, and what things are they maybe not (yet) in agreement about?

I like both of them, but I feel closer to MR's work as I am familiar with the enneagram. Haramein's "fundamental pattern" I also find very interesting though. And both guys are funny to listen to.

Could also ask you: Have you been able to relate Sheldrake's Morphic Resonance Fields to the work of either of these two guys?

http://www.constellationworks.com/files/FileUpload/pics/links/Sheldrake.jpg

Black Holes. In one of Rodin's videos, he says that because of VBM, he knows that the structure is Black Holes within Black Holes. This matches with Haramein's fractal theory of singularity within singularity which he calls Black Holes.

Torus. Haramein uses the Torus to demonstrate the Coriolis Effect and energy flow. Rodin uses it to represent the the structure of the universe and how energy flows.

Fibonacci Sequence. Rodin mentions Fibonacci Sequences and that the family groups are present within the sequence. Haramein mentions Phi, which is a co-conspiring phenomena with the sequence, in that nature follows a Phi Fractal. According to Dans Winter, phi is an optimization with fractals. For example, if we look at the seeds on a sunflower, the seed are distributed in 360/(phi^2)=137.5. This specific angle is used as a fractal for seed distribution on sunflowers. Also, 360/(phi^2)=360-(360/phi). Only if the denominator is phi that the two parts of the equation equals. This is supposebly the optimum seed distribution ratio to pack as much seeds as possible in a circle.

Yin and Yang. Rodin mentions 3 and 6 as Yin and Yang with 9 as a control between the two. Haramein mentions Yin and Yang when he mentions the Torus and energy flow. For Haramein, contraction and expansion would be the Yin and Yang force.

Fractals. Rodin mentions the 0 point of where everything radiates from is fractal (and it looks like an eye). Well, Haremein's theory is that from singularity, you have a fractal of singularities.

[phiaera]

I didn't understand from Nassim's video of why the Tetrahedron is so central. I remember him mentioning that it was optimum volume (meaning highest density?)
and something about equilibrium.

Can anyone explain why the Tetrahedron is central to his model? Why couldn't it be a Dodecahedron? Why couldn't it be a Metratron's Cube?

--

Also, I didn't understand how his Star of David suddenly becomes the Flower of Life Pattern.

--

I'll need to first understand these two concepts before I can go on with Haramein's video. Anybody know?

[herzmeister]

this hyperactive guy shows up some more connected dots maybe, how everything emanates from the flower of life, from spirit:

Spirit Science 6 - Flower of Life - YouTube

the star of david is not explicitly mentioned but it's clearly visible how it is contained in metatron's cube.

[jayelowell]

I'm happy to see that this thread is still sticking around without it having to be a "sticky".

[liami]

I'm happy to see that this thread is still sticking around without it having to be a "sticky".

The truth will always be around for those who can discern it!:)

[phiaera]

I'm happy to see that this thread is still sticking around without it having to be a "sticky".

I think you might be interested in this book - Thiaoouba Prophecy.

http://www.bioresonant.com/freebooks.html

I read it a long time ago. Pretty interesting whether its real or not. It talks about Michael Desmarquet being abducted by a tall, blonde hair, blue-eyed advanced civilizations that I thought matched the sun gods. They share their wisdom and show Michael their home planet and tell some of the problems humankind faces right now on Earth.

It's similar to Haramein's explanation of the sun god when they mention the 'true' history of humankind and also say that they did implant genes into into humans, and Jesus was apparently one of them. They mention that they have been watching over us for a long time now, guiding us, and have left clues for us on Earth - crop circles? Also, according to the book, they said that in the past, they presented themselves as gods rather than an advanced civilization from the opposite side of the Milky Way since we used to believe Earth being the entire universe..

I always thought this book was interesting and thought if we were really actually being watched over by civilizations millions of years more advanced than us. There are many accounts in history that make me think this way. The philosopher, Boethius, who wrote The Consolation of Philosophy mentioned similar descriptions of a tall women, whom she called herself Philosophy, that could pass through walls/bars where Boethius was kept. Boethius was able to write contents in the Consolation of Philosophy that he shouldn't have been able to while being confined, as if he had someone to relay this information to him. Philosophy, the mysterious women, also mentions that she in the past has given guidance to Aristotle 0_o.

Anyways, just some food for thought.

[white horse]

I didn't understand from Nassim's video of why the Tetrahedron is so central. I remember him mentioning that it was optimum volume (meaning highest density?)
and something about equilibrium.

Can anyone explain why the Tetrahedron is central to his model? Why couldn't it be a Dodecahedron? Why couldn't it be a Metratron's Cube?



Well yes your pretty much there - I gather it is the most amount of space (volume) that is contained by the least number of surfaces, edges, and/or surface area.

Also if you put it inside a sphere of a relative size the points stick out at 19.47 degrees latitude - which is where there are concentrations of volcanic activity on Earth and Mars.

[mythmath]

Also if you put it inside a sphere of a relative size the points stick out at 19.47 degrees latitude - which is where there are concentrations of volcanic activity on Earth and Mars.

And the Great Red Eye on Jupiter... ;)

[exford]

There is nothing in Nasims work that can't be understood through the study of the quadrivium....wakey wakey peeps!!!!

[phiaera]

Well yes your pretty much there - I gather it is the most amount of space (volume) that is contained by the least number of surfaces, edges, and/or surface area.

Also if you put it inside a sphere of a relative size the points stick out at 19.47 degrees latitude - which is where there are concentrations of volcanic activity on Earth and Mars.

If it is the most amount of space contained by the least edge, then that would be the circle. In other words, perimeter divided by volume. For example, you would take least steps to walk around a circle park than compared to when walking around a square park with the same surface area.

He mentioned tetrahedrons were the most stable and that the circle was actually very unstable since it had no form. I'm not sure what he means.

I understand the whole vector equilibrium now, though I don't think a tetrahedron has perfect vector equilibrium when compared to the (2d) hexagon. That's why I am confused about it.

Also, why does he emphasize putting a circle around the tetrahedron? He says it creates a boundary. Does this have to do with the whole "event horizon" he's talking about (I didn't even really understand what he means by event horizon).

And he mentions that we don't see the mass in space, which is why we call it a vacuum. Can someone break this down for us?
From my interpretation, it is:

-Tetrahedrons organized in a specific pattern according to sacred geometry.
-The tetrahedrons are invisible because of vector equilibrium.
-What we see is the boundaries, or the circles of the tetrahedrons.

By radiation, does he mean the boundaries? Does this have to do with the event horizon thing?

Also, when he talks about how when we were in our mother's womb, we took on these spherical patterns. But can anyone elaborate on what he meant by that by after the tetrahedrons reach 64 something, it starts creating a different organ of the body such as the lung?

[mythmath]

The Cuboctahedron, in this case, could be
thought of as the '3D version' of a Hexagon...

The cuboctahedron is also referred
to as the Vector Equilibrium... ;)

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/ClearCuboctahedron.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/Cuboctahedronpapercopy.jpg

[mythmath]

Vector Equilibrium: R. Buckminster Fuller - YouTube

[phiaera]

Right, I meant the cubeoctahedron. But I didn't remember the name so I just said 2d hexagon.

I meant if there are any other shapes other than the cubeoctahedron that has perfect equilibrium. It does seem to be an important shape though. I see hexagons in bee hives, snow flakes, turtle shells, etc.. Do any architects even use hexagons or cubeoctahedrons to build something like a bridge?

[phiaera]

ALright I got some answers.

The tetrahedron is essentially the same as a cubeoctahedron. This is because when the tetrahedron is fractalized, it becomes the cubeoctahedron. The mathematical name of this fractal is the Koch Snowflake. It should be noted that water droplets begin as a spherical shape but when frozen, it starts to show the fundamental geometry of space, which are these snowflake-like patterns. Also, a Koch Snowflake in 3-d has a fractal dimension of 2.5849. In 2-d, it has a fractal dimension of 1.26.

[noncooperation]

The truth will always be around for those who can discern it!:)
Discernment - great word that! & Great thread, what a LONG life!

I just found this stuff after 30 years of basically not believing the traditional explanation but not having an alternative - AT LAST! I found it.

I know this new physics with a highly dense vacum & black hole atoms etc. is true - I know from my own esoteric experiences & meditations etc. Its obvious. AND, its confirmed EVERYWHERE (historically in structures etc....).

Brilliant i can go forwards again with greater understanding - perfect timing; i just became a non-smoker a week ago, a nice gift!

[white horse]

Discernment - great word that! & Great thread, what a LONG life!

I just found this stuff after 30 years of basically not believing the traditional explanation but not having an alternative - AT LAST! I found it.

I know this new physics with a highly dense vacum & black hole atoms etc. is true - I know from my own esoteric experiences & meditations etc. Its obvious. AND, its confirmed EVERYWHERE (historically in structures etc....).

Brilliant i can go forwards again with greater understanding - perfect timing; i just became a non-smoker a week ago, a nice gift!

Welcome to Nassim :)