Why the Illuminati didn't get rid of David Icke?

[december]

Actually, it is not the very first time people ask that question.

A man who writes under a nickname nirvana asks the same thing in the Illuminati/Secret Societies section -


Could David Icke be part of the illuminati agenda?. Maybe a wolf in sheeps clothing. Maybe this whole thing is a double bluff and David Icke is a high ranking mason.

If Icke is so dangerous to the illuminati with his exposure why dont they just get rid of him? For the illuminati it would be easy acidents etc simple.:eek:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3221


And I think the reason people think so and ask these questions is because David Icke makes his "Illuminati control everything" message VERY CONVINCING.
He also never offers a solution.

David Icke basically says that everything belongs to the Illuminati and people have NOTHING...
How lovely!...

Icke says that even sun symbolism (which was used for ages in every culture) is an Illuminati symbolism and doesn't belong to people.

Wow!

:)



I remember that the same question was asked on now closed DAVID ICKE FORUM www.davidickeforum.com


And there is a reson why...

Well, just think about it - David Icke says that the Freemasons/Illuminati are so powerful and dangerous and they can get even a US president... and they control EVERYTHING...

Well, alright...

But if this is so, than how come Icke is still OK AND his books are still in the stores and his web-site is running? :D

What's going on here?

:)

[heretic]

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[yinjing]

honestly, who do you expect could answer such a question. Queen Elizabeth perhaps? Now I'm not a moderator but there seem to be too much redundancy in mindless speculations.

[december]

...mindless speculations.

Hello, yinjing.

"Mindless speculations" you say?

Well....
That's what some David Icke critics say about his research work.
Right?

:)



honestly, who do you expect could answer such a question. Queen Elizabeth perhaps? .

I just offer a discussion, yinjing...

It's logical to asume that something is fishy and MANY people do ask that question...

Does Icke work for the establishment?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2622

Is Icke a Mason? Link here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2806


I find it strange that Freemasons who killed president Kennedy (according to Icke) don't want (?) to close this site?



...Now I'm not a moderator but....

Excuse me, yinjing...
Are you suggesting that moderators need to imprison the minds of Forum members and run this Forum with fear and guilt?

:(



Nothing has served the reptilian Agenda more than religion. Still today in America religion controls the minds and limits the thinking of the Christian patriot movement which has seen through many other smokescreens and identified many aspects of the Brotherhood conspiracy. What they cannot face, however, is that their own religion is a massive part of that conspiracy.


That is not to condemn all people who call themselves Christian.



There are many who express a loving spirituality through their Christian beliefs. I am talking of the institution of Christianity and its arrogant indoctrination and imposition of its desperately limited vision of life which has created a mind-prison for literally billions of people over almost 2,000 years. All the world’s major religions, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism and Islam, came out of the very same region of the Middle and Near East from which the Aryan race and the reptile crossbreeds emerged after the cataclysm of perhaps 7,000 years ago.


These religions were designed to imprison the mind and engulf the emotions with fear and guilt. They were usually based on some ‘saviour-god’ figure like Jesus or Mohammed and only by believing in them and following their dictates can we find ‘God’ and be saved. That is precisely what the Babylonian priests said about Nimrod when the blueprint for control-by-religion was being moulded in Babylon. Those who refuse to believe this hogwash are condemned to stoke the fires of hell for all eternity.


Staggeringly, billions upon billions have fallen for this scam over thousands of years, and still do. That’s fine if they want to give their minds and their lives away, but many insist that everyone else must do the same and that’s not fine. Seriously not fine. Most of the people reading this book will be from the parts of the world dominated by Christianity and Judaism and so I shall take those as the main examples of how symbolic stories have become literal truths and how the manipulation of these stories has produced the most powerful form of mass mind control yet invented.

Source - The Biggest Secret, CHAPTER FOUR, The Suns of God by David Icke.

[heretic]

With threads like these, who needs sleeping pills? :D :D :D

[thewaycreates]

Well, just think about it - David Icke says that the Freemasons/Illuminati are so powerful and dangerous and they can get even a US president...

:)


i think they pick the president, no?
its who has the most royal blood, right?

[sean]

December, i've noticed you very rarely offer any of your own thoughts and opinions on matters regarding David Icke or topics he covers. What are your thoughts, or rather what are you getting at?

If you are as knowedgable on David's work as you say you are, then surely you've heard this question been answered numerous times before? You'll also realise that saying David offers no solution is completely innacurate. His latest book is all about the solution to the problem we face.

I'll answer your question with another question: what is your solution?

[heretic]

I'll answer your question with another question: what is your solution?

Don't hold your breath. :D :D :D

[thewaycreates]

when is this new book coming out?

[december]

With threads like these, who needs sleeping pills? :D :D :D

First you posted stupid picture, and now you are making a dull statement.
What's next?
Are you going to post some filthy porno to turn a discussion into sh*t?
Is that your goal?



i think they pick the president, no?
its who has the most royal blood, right?

I have no idea. :)

I know what David Icke claims but in case of Kennedy it doesn't make sense - he is Irish.

But the point was not about who picks who, but about the thing they can do.




December, i've noticed you very rarely offer any of your own thoughts and opinions on matters regarding David Icke or topics he covers.

Well, first of all I want to LEARN and want to understand, so that's why I ask questions, sean. :)

So far nobody explained where did David Icke read about a Nazi base in Antarctica which Icke believes is STILL IN OPERATION TODAY.
I am just asking about the SOURCE of the information.
And I got no answer. Why is that?

Quote:

The Nazis also believed that the Earth was hollow with entrances at the poles and a number of researchers report that they established an underground base in Antarctica towards the end of the war which is still in operation today. I have no doubt from the evidence I have seen that the Earth is hollow, or, at the very least, there are vast regions inside where highly developed civilizations live. I also feel that there are ancient societies living under the ground between the Earth’s surface and the inner ‘hollow’ centre. It is like three levels of peoples living on and within the same planet.

The writer, Jules Verne, was a high initiate of the secret society network with his connections to the Theosophical Society, the Order of the Golden Dawn, and the Order of the Oriental Templars. Therefore, he knew far more than the public are allowed to know. His science-fiction stories were based on fact. He wrote of the two moons of Mars before they were identified (officially) in 1877. Verne’s epic, Journey To The Centre Of The Earth, was not entirely a fantasy. He knew the basis of it was true.

Sourse - The Biggest Secret, CHAPTER TWELVE, The hollow Earth by David Icke.



What are your thoughts, or rather what are you getting at?

Well, as I already said - David Icke made it look like everything belongs to the so-called Illuminati and people have nothing.

Why is it the sun symbolism is a symbolism ONLY of the Illuminati (whoever they are)?

Let's talk about REAL facts. OK?
Indian tribes of North America have sun symbolism as well.
So, does it mean that native Americans are Illuminati too? :)



If you are as knowedgable on David's work as you say you are, then surely you've heard this question been answered numerous times before? You'll also realise that saying David offers no solution is completely innacurate. His latest book is all about the solution to the problem we face.
I'll answer your question with another question: what is your solution?


Sean, this thread is NOT about the solution but about the EFFECT of Icke books on people.

Sean, you and members of Icke team need to stop and ask yourself one question - WHAT MAKES PEOPLE THINK THAT ICKE ACTUALLY WORKS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT...

You cannot just ignore that fact that people DO think so.
And you cannot just twist things around trying to change the subject of this thread...

Besides, not everyone is going to post these thoughts on this Forum, but I bet you many people think that his books have one goal and it is to convince people that the Illuminati is everywhere and there is nothing you can do, people.

You may say - Oh.. This is bull!

Well, whether you like it or not but this is the kind of message many people are getting from his books.

[sean]

This is the message you are obviously getting from his books. I do not get that message at all.

I can't answer some of your questions personally. Not because there isn't enough evidence, but because you are covering many topics at once, in short sentences.

David Icke has never said everything is illuminati. Quote me a part in any book that says that.

Sun worship goes back thousands of years. It doesn't mean people doing it, necessarily know what they are doing it for. Do you think many Christians today know the true origins of their religion and the "Son" they worship every Sunday?

I think you've missed the point.

[december]

This is the message you are obviously getting from his books.

Obviously. And as you can see it's not only me.... :)


I do not get that message at all.

But now you know that many people DO.




I can't answer some of your questions personally. Not because there isn't enough evidence, but because you are covering many topics at once, in short sentences.


Well, actually it was YOU who started to change this thread into a "solution" topic...
Correct? :)

So, let's better stick to the subject matter - see the title of the thread.



David Icke has never said everything is illuminati. Quote me a part in any book that says that.


Well, give some time and I will give you the quotes that suggest just that. But even if he does not say it directly still his message is quite obvious - the illuminati is everywhere.

And looks like moderator lumukanda is getting it right:

:)

...still think the illuminati is just the USA? i think you'll find in time you're wrong, the illuminati is everywhere, including (or should i say especially) in russia and china, and yes, in america too.

Source -

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2366


Now see what I mean, sean?

:)

[sean]

No, I don't. You are speaking on behalf of yourself, and yourself only.

You are asking loaded questions, which a balanced towards your bias. I don't like to be presumptious, but i think i'm correct in assuming you are trying to make a point rather than raise a question which you do not know the answer too.

You disagree with points of David's work. I'd prefer, as would others, if you said that from the outset and asked others for their opinions.

You stated David Icke doesn't offer the solution, in your loaded question. I'm unloading that question/statement somewhat by informing you that he does offer the solution. Watch his latest DVD. Read a latest book. Read some of the articles on his website.

[aznality]

I personally think the questions being asked (or should I say demanded), is a little too ridiculous. In my opinion, that is.

Answering the topic question, Icke isn't the only researcher who is digging into these topics. In fact, there are many others like him throughout the world. You might as well be asking why the Illuminati has not yet rid of all the truth speakers who speak publicly or publish their ideas in books. Very loaded thread title, I'd say.

You mentioned Icke gives us no hope when he states the Illuminati controls the world. What if it is true that they control the world? Reoccurring sacred symbols throughout the world, accounts from abuse victims, testimonials from insiders, etc. Maybe we are being controlled by a single force. I do see the connection in it all. Icke is doing the right thing by pointing it out to all of us, just like all the other researchers are doing.

Speaking of solution, he does say it clearly. We are encouraged to spread the information, speak our minds, embrace our individuality, fight back, do not let them hold us into submission. He gives us hope by telling us we are waking up and their nature will be uncovered.

I suggest reading his books and watching his dvds in more detail before asking these questions we already know the answer to.

[aznality]

And another thing....

Arguing Icke could be a mason or belonging to the Illuminati or whatever, is a weak argument. Just because he is still alive and well, it does not mean at all he is one of THEM.

[december]

No, I don't. You are speaking on behalf of yourself, and yourself only.

Yes, I am speaking on behalf of yourself, but to support my point I provided the links to similar threads by other people (see the previous page) and I gave you a quote of the moderator lumukanda, who says that "the illuminati is everywhere".

Well, if the illuminati is everywhere than why they didn't manage to close this site, Mr. lumukanda? :)


You are asking loaded questions, which a balanced towards your bias. I don't like to be presumptious, but i think i'm correct in assuming you are trying to make a point rather than raise a question which you do not know the answer too.

You are correct here, sean.
Of course I don't have the answer to my own question - see the title of the thread - that's why I asked it.
and many people ask the same question as well.


You disagree with points of David's work. I'd prefer, as would others, if you said that from the outset and asked others for their opinions.

I didn't say that I disagree with points of David's work.

I spoke about the effect of his books.

And I asked for the SOURCE OF INFORMATION regarding some Nazi base which Icke claims "is still in operation today". (See The Biggest Secret, CHAPTER TWELVE, The hollow Earth.)


You stated David Icke doesn't offer the solution, in your loaded question. I'm unloading that question/statement somewhat by informing you that he does offer the solution. Watch his latest DVD. Read a latest book. Read some of the articles on his website.

Which book are you talking about, sean?
People are confused -

when is this new book coming out?

But again.... This thread is not about the solutions.

So, I prefer not to switch the subject...

:)

[december]

And another thing....

Arguing Icke could be a mason or belonging to the Illuminati or whatever, is a weak argument. Just because he is still alive and well, it does not mean at all he is one of THEM.

Well, but what about books and this very site? Why are they available?
Do you think that Freemasons/Illuminati don't know about his works?

Just think - the message is - "the Illuminati run the world and do what they want". OK...

But why than Icke publishes his books and runs this web-site FOR MANY YEARS ALREADY?

Where is the logic here?

[aznality]

That is because Icke's works is NOT mainstream. People do NOT generally accept his ideas. In fact, a lot of people still think Icke is crazy. So they don't really have to fully censor his works. After all, we supposedly live in a world where there is freedom of speech. If you censor every truth speaker, obviously there is something going on.

If you read "Children of the Matrix", he does say they have been trying to shut his site down. And his public lectures, there is people trying to cancel his venues and they do succeed quite often. There is a lot of resistance going his way, but he is fighting against it.

[december]

In fact, a lot of people still think Icke is crazy.

Really? And what makes them think so?

[sean]

Really? And what makes them think so?

Do you honestly think the questions you are asking are in any way legitimate and thoughtful?

You need to start inputting yourself into the thread you create, or some people may start to believe you are here simply to troll.

December, tell us, what are your thoughts on many of the topics you raise?

[aznality]

Really? And what makes them think so?

I can answer this one.

It is due to their narrow-mindness and their inability to think outside the little box.

Do you fancy this response?