presidents of the US

[thewaycreates]

so were there any true hearted Presidents in US history?....you hear about all these presidents being somehow a part of the illuminati/secret society scheme....but what about presidents like JFK, Abraham Lincoln and Jimmy Carter?

i dont know much about Carter, but both Lincoln and Kennedy seemed like good presidents to me(whatever "good" means), and they were both assasinated. ive seen Kennedy films that talk about Oswald being Brainwashed to kill Kennedy....and it was done at the top of the pyramid shape the roads made................so were these presidents not going along with what the illuminati wanted and therefore were killed?

[december]

......i dont know much about Carter, but both Lincoln and Kennedy seemed like good presidents to me(whatever "good" means), and they were both assasinated.

Hello, thewaycreates.

Lincoln said that white people are such smarter than black people, and that white people should be in charge of everything.

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[awakensong]

Here are a few good articles that can shed some light on these men you have named, along with others.

Israel: A Jewish Defector Warns America (http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm)

The Amazing Warnings of Benjamin Freedman (http://www.rense.com/general34/amaz.htm)

Benjamin Freedman: Jewish Conspirator (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-freedman.html)

Not to mention how Alex Jones has shown that Jimmy Carter is a supposed member of the Bohemian Grove "clan" and the fact that Carter sold the Panama Canal during his administration.

There were definitely good points to JFK and he had good intentions in many ways for this country, but he also sold us out by supporting the formation of Israel as a State.

I have heard both pro and con concerning Abraham Lincoln, even to the point that the Civil War was illegal, etc.

[auron]

David goes into a lot of this in "And The Truth Shall Set You Free"

[thewaycreates]

yeah, ive read that Baber-Ham Lincoln (:rolleyes: ) believed whites to be superior to blacks even though he was supposedly against enslaving them, i think i read it in "People History..."

[december]

yeah, ive read that Baber-Ham Lincoln (:rolleyes: ) believed whites to be superior to blacks even though he was supposedly against enslaving them, i think i read it in "People History..."

Well, the so-called US civil war was NOT about slavery as you may know...
It was not even a civil war but a war between the states.

What is "People History"?

[tru3]

i read something that david wrote that in the last century only a couple of presidents were not in the bloodline.

one was eisenhower, who left us this warning during his last speech in office, in 1960.

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

they couldn't steal enough votes to stop eisenhower from being elected; he was a hero of ww2 to the american public. the loomies wanted adlai stevenson, but he couldn't beat ike.


bush and kerry are both in the charlemagne bloodline. i believe gore is too.

[tru3]

Here are a few good articles that can shed some light on these men you have named, along with others.

Israel: A Jewish Defector Warns America (http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm)

The Amazing Warnings of Benjamin Freedman (http://www.rense.com/general34/amaz.htm)

Benjamin Freedman: Jewish Conspirator (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-freedman.html)

Not to mention how Alex Jones has shown that Jimmy Carter is a supposed member of the Bohemian Grove "clan" and the fact that Carter sold the Panama Canal during his administration.

There were definitely good points to JFK and he had good intentions in many ways for this country, but he also sold us out by supporting the formation of Israel as a State.

I have heard both pro and con concerning Abraham Lincoln, even to the point that the Civil War was illegal, etc.

great links, awakensong! :)

personally, i take a lot of credence in what the 'old-timers' have to say.

Yes, ma'am. Well... I can answer that. First of all, your first premise is wrong. Your first premise that all the Jews are loyal to each other is wrong. Because, the Eastern European Jews outnumber all the rest by so many that they create the impression that they are the Jewish 'race'; that they are the Jewish nation; that they are the Jewish people. . . and the Christians swallow it like a cream puff.

But in 1844 the German rabbis called a conference of rabbis from all over the world for the purpose of abolishing the Kol Nidre from the Day of Atonement religious ceremony. In Brunswick, Germany, where that conference was held in 1844, there was almost a terrific riot. A civil war.

The Eastern Europeans said, "What the hell. We should give up Kol Nidre? That gives us our grip on our people. We give them a franchise so they can tell the Christians, 'Go to hell. We'll make any deal you want', but they don't have to carry it out. That gives us our grip on our people". So, they're not so united, and if you knew the feeling that exists. . .

Now, I'll also show you from an official document by the man responsible for. . . uh, who baptized this race. Here is a paper that we obtained from the archives of the Zionist organization in New York City, and in it is the manuscript by Sir James A. Malcolm, who -- on behalf of the British Cabinet -- negotiated the deal with these Zionists.

And in here he says that all the jews in England were against it. The Jews who had been there for years, the [inaudible - probably Sephardim], those who had Portuguese and Spanish ad Dutch ancestry... who were monotheists and believed in that religious belief. That was while the Eastern European Jews were still running around in the heart of Asia and then came into Europe. But they had no more to do with them than. . . can we talk about a Christian 'race'? or a Christian religion?... or are the Christians united?

So the same disunity is among the Jews. And I'll show you in this same document that when they went to France to try and get the French government to back that Zionist venture, there was only one Jew in France who was for it. That was Rothschild, and they did it because they were interested in the oil and the Suez Canal

these are just my impressions and "bullet points", for what they're worth:

-carter is a clueless illuminati stooge. he was led around by the nose by zbigniew brezhinsky [sic], who was henry kissinger's little management trainee. carter was up to his neck in the bcci scandal, along with his buddy, bert lance.

-kennedy's dad made a deal with the devil to get jack elected, then bobby and jack both reneged on the contract.

-lincoln was probably assasinated because he wanted to put the u.s. back on precious metals. the bank cartel didn't want that. the first attempt to take over the printing of money was thwarted by andrew jackson, and an attempt was made on his life as well.

p.s. according to michael tsarion, lincoln was about to authorize funding for an expedition to search for atlantis. this was just several months before he lost his life. way cool!

[awakensong]

Eisenhower may not have been "in the bloodline" but he certainly was a part of their lifestyle. I've read a few places where he gave the orders that put Glen Miller on the plane that went missing (? -- yeah, right -- I also read what REALLY happened to that plane) -- and Churchill had a hand in that also. Glen Miller was in favor of the peace talks to end WWII with Germany, but Churchill wanted none of that.

Here is something else to read and weep:

http://www.trosch.org/msn/mason-graphics.html
President Eisenhower was a member of the Anti-American organization known as the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR). Was also a member of the all-male ultra-exclusive Bohemian Club to which every Republican President since Herbert Hoover has belonged. (Secret Societies, Bohemian Club). Also grew up as a Jehovah's Witness. Why did Eisenhower Hide his Jehovah's Witness Background?

By secret Executive order of President Eisenhower, the Jason Scholars were ordered to study mans impact on the Earth. They reached the conclusion that by, or shortly after, the year 2000 the planet would self destruct due to increased population and man's exploitation of the environment with out any help from God or the Aliens. The Jason Society confirmed the findings of the scientist and made three recommendations called ALTERNATIVES 1, 2, and 3.
1953-1961 President Eisenhower’s Special Advisor for Cold War Strategy was Nelson Rockefeller. Confirmed Illuminati.

Add to this John Lear's comments on Eisenhower making a "deal" with aliens regarding human abductions in exchange for advanced technology, but telling the American citizens absolutely nothing about it.

If anyone qualifies to be (or even "run for") president, we should never allow them to take office. The qualifications are adherence to the Illuminati, et al, or assassination is the result, as history has proven.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/elvis/index.htm Eisenhower was a Freemason (also a good place to read how UFOs may NOT be from "outer space" but from right here on this planet -- i.e., the military!)

More interesting tidbits about men in office:
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/final_warning/freemasonry.htm
Originally against the Masonic Order, Benjamin Franklin became a Mason in 1731, at the age of 25. He became the Provincial Grand Master of Pennsylvania in 1734, and was the "appointed spokesman" of the secret societies. As ambassador to France, he was honored there at a major Masonic lodge. It is believed that while he was on a diplomatic trip to Paris to seek financing for the Revolution, he was initiated as a member of the Illuminati.

George Washington joined the Fredericksburg Lodge #4 in Virginia, in 1752, and when he was elected President in 1789, he was the Grand Master of the Lodge (the highest official). He took his Oath of Office on a Masonic Bible, as did his Vice-President, John Adams, who was also a Mason. This Masonic Bible from the altar of St. Johns Lodge No. 1 in New York City, which was printed in London in 1767, was later used for other Oaths administered to Harding, Eisenhower, Carter, Reagan and Bush. This Masonic Bible has an introductory section that explains that Masonry is not a Christian fraternity, but in fact supports all religions. Eight of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were also members of the Fredericksburg Lodge. Actually, 51 of the 56 signers were believed to be Masons; however, only 8 were known to be members, while another 24 were suspected of being members.

It is also believed that 8 to 10 signers of the Articles of Confederation were Masons. There were 9 Masons that signed the Constitution, while 6 others later became members. Other sources have used the figure of 13, while some have said there were as many as 28 members who signed the Constitution.

Among the ranks of the Masons were: Patrick Henry (all Masonic researchers do not agree on this), John Hancock, Paul Revere, John Paul Jones, Alexander Hamilton, Benedict Arnold, John Marshall, Samuel Adams, Anthony Wayne, Francis Marion ("The Swamp Fox") and Ethan Allen. In the military, 24 of Washington's Major Generals, and 30 of his 33 Brigadier Generals were Masons (another fact that Masonic researchers do not agree on).

It was actually the Masons who instigated and carried out the American Revolution. The secrecy of the Masonic lodges allowed the Colonial patriots to meet and discuss strategy. It was commonly believed that the reason for the Revolution was "taxation without representation", when actually it was because the Parliament in the 1760's passed a law that no colony could issue its own money. ....

[tru3]

Eisenhower may not have been "in the bloodline" but he certainly was a part of their lifestyle. I've read a few places where he gave the orders that put Glen Miller on the plane that went missing (? -- yeah, right -- I also read what REALLY happened to that plane) -- and Churchill had a hand in that also. Glen Miller was in favor of the peace talks to end WWII with Germany, but Churchill wanted none of that.

Here is something else to read and weep:

http://www.trosch.org/msn/mason-graphics.html


Add to this John Lear's comments on Eisenhower making a "deal" with aliens regarding human abductions in exchange for advanced technology, but telling the American citizens absolutely nothing about it.

If anyone qualifies to be (or even "run for") president, we should never allow them to take office. The qualifications are adherence to the Illuminati, et al, or assassination is the result, as history has proven.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/elvis/index.htm Eisenhower was a Freemason (also a good place to read how UFOs may NOT be from "outer space" but from right here on this planet -- i.e., the military!)




these are all really good points. i just feel that carter and eisenhower in particular just had no clue what was going on in washington, d.c. they were both from agrarian states, far from the money centers.

i think eisenhower finally figured it out, but he couldn't do anything about it. hence the speech. if he was a booster, that speech would have never been given, would it? ;)

neither of these guys come from the bloodlines, but were just completely ineffectual at changing anything about the power structure in dc.

carter is on paxil, or something. he's no threat to anyone who doesn't listen to him. he built a lot of houses, for sure, but leader of the free world? c'mon! :rolleyes: the loomies needed a weak, ineffectual president like the one we have now, and, after seeing the growing movement of fundamentalists involved in politics, they created carter, who was an evangelical christian. just my opinion. :)

same with reagan. he was led around by the balls by george h.w. bush. did you know that there is evidence to suggest that neil bush had dinner the night before john hinklyey shot reagan, and that hinkley's family was in the oil business with the bushies? it's true. is it so hard to take the next step and suggest that reagan was shot because he started to get his own ideas about things? and, there is also anecdotal evidence to suggest that reagan was poisoned with substances to accelerate his alzhiemers.

and really, isn't it kind of like truthseekers like icke and tsarion say; the ones on the podiums in the black suits are the puppets, not the puppetmasters.

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[awakensong]

Well, like I was trying to say, they're puppets because they're willing to go along with the agenda. Otherwise, it's the 'axe' for them.

If Eisenhower (sometimes referred to as a "Swedish Jew") was trying so hard to change things, or 'figured it out', why then did he make such terrible deals with the aliens? Why did he go into cahoots with Churchill to covertly assassinate Glen Miller? So many other questions, including why would he join the Bohemian Grove?

Yes, it's such a very famous saying of his: "Beware the Military Industrial Complex", but what is that even supposed to mean to the average man on the street? Perhaps it was a code word to the next in line. Why didn't we beware of him?

[thewaycreates]

Well, the so-called US civil war was NOT about slavery as you may know...
It was not even a civil war but a war between the states.

What is "People History"?

oh sorry, Howard Zinn' book The Peoples History of the United States.

[tru3]

Well, like I was trying to say, they're puppets because they're willing to go along with the agenda. Otherwise, it's the 'axe' for them.

If Eisenhower (sometimes referred to as a "Swedish Jew") was trying so hard to change things, or 'figured it out', why then did he make such terrible deals with the aliens? Why did he go into cahoots with Churchill to covertly assassinate Glen Miller? So many other questions, including why would he join the Bohemian Grove?

Yes, it's such a very famous saying of his: "Beware the Military Industrial Complex", but what is that even supposed to mean to the average man on the street? Perhaps it was a code word to the next in line. Why didn't we beware of him?

look, i was just throwing my two cents in. you could be right, i could be wrong. i didnt' say he was trying to stop them, i meant to imply that he did the best he could for the time and place.

did i miss something, but why would anyone want to assasinate glen miller? baron von rothschild thought "chattanooga choo choo"? was subversive?