child flu jabs 'protect everyone'

[beldazar]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7537158.stm



Health reporter, BBC News



Dr Richard Halvorsen and Emma Soames discuss the flu jab
Vaccinating children against flu would prevent the spread of the virus in the whole population, research suggests.

An annual flu jab for the under fives could reduce some types of infection by up to 70%, a team at the Health Protection Agency reported.

They say immunising children would particularly protect the elderly.

Children are prolific spreaders of infection because they have lower immunity and come into close contact with their families and each other.

The findings prompted calls for a reassessment of government policy.

In the US, flu vaccination is already offered to children aged from six months to five years. I would say parents in the UK would probably turn around and give it a thumbs down, so the JCVI will want to be 100% sure of the evidence

Professor John Oxford

But in 2006, after reviewing the evidence available at the time, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) decided not to recommend a similar programme in the UK.

The elderly and people with high-risk conditions, such as asthma, are offered a flu vaccine every year.

The latest study estimated the effects of vaccination in the under-twos, under-fives and under-16s on two types of flu.

It showed that the more children who received vaccination, the greater was the protection to the population in general.

If an annual vaccination programme included everyone under the age of 16, the incidence of both influenza A and influenza B could drop by more than 90%, the researchers found.

Just immunising those aged between six months and two years would reduce flu in the population by between 11% and 35%, depending on the strain.

'Not real data'

But including those up to the age of five years could reduce influenza A by up to 38% and influenza B by up to 69%.

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In the model the researchers assumed that 60% of children were vaccinated.

A spokesperson for the JCVI said it was keeping the issue under review and was awaiting the outcome of further studies being done on the effects of flu vaccine in children.

Dr George Kassianos, immunisation spokesperson for the Royal College of GPs, said the college had been calling for the introduction of influenza vaccination in children for the past five or six years.

"The children themselves fare very badly from influenza but they are also the source of infection for many adults.

"There is an urgent need for the JCVI to review their decision."

Professor John Oxford, an expert in virology at Barts and The London, Queen Mary's School of Medicine and Dentistry said the evidence all seemed to be pointing towards a benefit.

But he added: "This is mathematical modelling which is not quite the same as getting real data.

He added: "I would say parents in the UK would probably turn around and give it a thumbs down, so the JCVI will want to be 100% sure of the evidence."

Dr Keith Prowse, chairman of the British Lung Foundation, said: "Vaccinating all children annually would be a huge undertaking and one that shouldn't be taken lightly.

"The rationale, benefits and implementation would have to be very carefully explained and communicated to the population at large and a decision taken in consultation with all interested parties."

I have no comment to this :mad:

[lookfar]

They can go run & jump imo!:mad: I just saw this on the BBC News headline page. Not gonna be happening in my household that's for sure!!:mad:

Thanks for sharing beldazar:)

[w1nstonsm1th84]

How did mankind survive thus far? :-/

[homebrew1973]

Proof, if proof be needed, that the BBC report absolutely biased propaganda and shite!

Every time I used have the flu jab, hey presto, I`d get the flu but since I stopped having it I`ve never got it :) And I imagine the same principal may to all vaccines.

[jos08]

oo great :confused::( now they are gonna present some false stats and all the kids are gonna be vaccinated to become duller when they grow up...:mad::mad:

[beldazar]

Yes I know, this sickens my stomach! I joined a local forum to look for others who are becoming aware of what is going on. I happened to mention vaccinations and somebody commented that it borders on abuse NOT to have kids vaccinated! Grrr the opposite is true in my opinion.

Im with you Lookfar, Im getting bugged by the health authorities to have my sons second MMR. I had him done the first time before I found out how bad they are. I phoned up the health authorities absolutely livid after the 5th reminder. I was shaking with anger.

Homebrew, I was the idiot to persuade my 78 year old mum to have her jabs and now I cant persuade her NOT to. I feel terrible about it, she gets ill after them :mad:

[clozaril]

i asked my gp about the flu jab in jan
she said it won't stop you getting the flu!?!?

[w1nstonsm1th84]

i asked my gp about the flu jab in jan
she said it won't stop you getting the flu!?!?

Wow, an honest GP... looks like you've got a good doctor there. :)

Don't take the 'jab'! :eek:

[clozaril]

Just immunising those aged between six months and two years would reduce flu in the population by between 11% and 35%, depending on the strain.

OMG :eek:

i going to need the heppititas vac for work though

Wow, an honest GP... looks like you've got a good doctor there.

yeah she is a nice indian lady. come to think of it she wouldn't prescribe me anything....she just said you'll be ok in a couple of days !!

[clozaril]

Yes I know, this sickens my stomach! I joined a local forum to look for others who are becoming aware of what is going on. I happened to mention vaccinations and somebody commented that it borders on abuse NOT to have kids vaccinated! Grrr the opposite is true in my opinion.



scarey i don't have children but i imagine it must be a very tough decision

[drhemp]

I have not vaccinated my kids; strangely enough I decided to turn down the Government's offer to poison my children with mercury and to fuck around with their immune system. We have not had any hassles from the local services for not doing this, maybe it's coz I live in Totnes, where there are a lot of people who don't vaccinate.

I think the vaccination programme is mainly about making money for the Pharmaceuticals and even to damage immune systems so people are more susceptible to illness in adult life. I'm not saying every vaccine is bad, clearly they have had their place, and for sure it's a good idea to get a tetanus jab if you tread on a rusty nail (though I heard you can't get that on it's own, they mix it with 2 other unnecessary vaccinations).

[deca]

I just caught this on the BBC, they said kids were "virus factorys" and caugh and kiss and spread virus about !!!!!!!!!!!

[montag]

I just caught this on the BBC, they said kids were "virus factorys" and caugh and kiss and spread virus about !!!!!!!!!!!
That is true, I have children and they constantly bring home all sorts of things they pick up at school and pass it on to me, I won't be giving them any shots though thats for sure.

[homebrew1973]

Apparently during the Spanish Flu pandemic at around the time of the first world war most of the people who died had been vaccinated :eek: is this new announcement yet another episode of the "selective culling" show? Let`s hope not.

[drhemp]

I just caught this on the BBC, they said kids were "virus factorys" and caugh and kiss and spread virus about !!!!!!!!!!!

That's always been the case, which is why it's so important to have a healthy immune system to avoid catching these things. In other words, don't vaccinate! It's the vaccinations that are contributing to the poor immune systems which means more people are catching common colds. Eat a healthy organic diet instead.

The Chinese believe that childhood diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella, are all part of growing up, and actually strengthen the immune system for adulthood. I would not touch the MMR with a bargepoll and I do believe it is linked to autism, but not just that, it is totally unnecessarily fucking about with a child's immune system.

[astral_girl]

Yes I know, this sickens my stomach! I joined a local forum to look for others who are becoming aware of what is going on. I happened to mention vaccinations and somebody commented that it borders on abuse NOT to have kids vaccinated! Grrr the opposite is true in my opinion.

Im with you Lookfar, Im getting bugged by the health authorities to have my sons second MMR. I had him done the first time before I found out how bad they are. I phoned up the health authorities absolutely livid after the 5th reminder. I was shaking with anger.

Homebrew, I was the idiot to persuade my 78 year old mum to have her jabs and now I cant persuade her NOT to. I feel terrible about it, she gets ill after them :mad:

hi beldazar-i think thats disgusting that the health authorities are still pestering you
my son had the first mmr....when he was a toddler- when he turned 5 he got diagnoised with autistic spectrum disorder--they wanted my 2nd son to have it done -and i told them to go jump-several times i disscussed about the mmr to which they would not comment-they gave up pestering me after that..........:rolleyes:you just have to be firm with them....and make sure your no means no.......
my son showed signs from a baby though -and i am not blaming the mmr totally but i belive if autism is in your family-your family history should be taken into account first before just pushing the vaccination onto your children without question or disscussion.........ect

[Anders Lindman]

There are thousands of strains of influenza, and each strain gives rise to 1000 new strains each year. Children will in the future have 20,000 million flu jabs each year so that we can feel saaaaaaaaaafe! Just kidding! :p:D

[Anders Lindman]

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[blondina1]

Because were not vaccinating our children with "the origional vaccines" they have to vaccinate them another way...
Scare tactic!
My doc told me that the flub jab is only good for elderly people suffering from conditions like heart conditions or similar or people who would not survive a bad flu. I do not think children are in that category :mad:
Children who are medicinated in one way or another are those that, in my experience, are the most sick.
Really sad. What new neurological illness will come of this "flu jab" :mad:

[largejack]

Apparently during the Spanish Flu pandemic at around the time of the first world war most of the people who died had been vaccinated :eek: is this new announcement yet another episode of the "selective culling" show? Let`s hope not.

OMG I wonder if this is how they intend to start spreading the deadly flu:mad: I hope not

[antinwo]

I have a bad feeling about this maybe this is how they will make sure the deadly flu spreads and has maximum effect:mad:

[frankanne]

[I]

i going to need the heppititas vac for work though



I was on a nursing course and was told that I'd be chucked off the course if I didn't have the Hep B vaccination. I fought it all the way. They can't FORCE you. The wording is 'offer'. They can 'offer' the jab and you can refuse. I took it to my MP and my local newspaper. I got a load of evidence that showed how controversial this jab is. Please Clozaril, read these links before you have the jab.

So many people have long term health problems due to this vaccine, it has even been linked to multiple sclerosis.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3651782.stm

"Immunisation against hepatitis B was associated with a three-fold increase in the incidence of MS

Lead researcher Dr Miguel Hernàn "

There are literally THOUSANDS or reports on the dangers of this vaccine. And when you do a little bit of digging, you find that they cannot stop you working in the health profession or any other profession come to that if you actually HAVE the disease, but they try to tell you that you will be blocked from working if you DON'T have the vaccine. It's a load of bull.

Of course, it is up to you, but my advice is to hear all sides of the story before you are jabbed with a toxic substance on the PRETENCE that it will protect you. It won't.

http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html

[clozaril]

I was on a nursing course and was told that I'd be chucked off the course if I didn't have the Hep B vaccination. I fought it all the way. They can't FORCE you. The wording is 'offer'. They can 'offer' the jab and you can refuse. I took it to my MP and my local newspaper. I got a load of evidence that showed how controversial this jab is. Please Clozaril, read these links before you have the jab.

So many people have long term health problems due to this vaccine, it has even been linked to multiple sclerosis.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3651782.stm

"Immunisation against hepatitis B was associated with a three-fold increase in the incidence of MS

Lead researcher Dr Miguel Hernàn "

There are literally THOUSANDS or reports on the dangers of this vaccine. And when you do a little bit of digging, you find that they cannot stop you working in the health profession or any other profession come to that if you actually HAVE the disease, but they try to tell you that you will be blocked from working if you DON'T have the vaccine. It's a load of bull.

Of course, it is up to you, but my advice is to hear all sides of the story before you are jabbed with a toxic substance on the PRETENCE that it will protect you. It won't.

http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html

fingers crossed (CRB clearence) i'm starting nursing in october i've left the paperwork at work but on the decleration i'm pretty sure it has been ammended and it now says i have to !!!

it is a worry with NHS as i think they would be the first to be microchipped along with the police

i phoned up my GP today and they said they have NO records of me having any of the pre MMR jabs !?!?


i'll get back to you tomorrow like i say i'm pretty sure you have to

[upsetbrit]

I saw basically the same thing in a news video and it's truly disgusting. The flu vaccine is hit and miss, not to mention the mercury in them.

Pity the children who get dragged to the doctors and injected with that crap.

[frankanne]

fingers crossed (CRB clearence) i'm starting nursing in october i've left the paperwork at work but on the decleration i'm pretty sure it has been ammended and it now says i have to !!!

it is a worry with NHS as i think they would be the first to be microchipped along with the police

i phoned up my GP today and they said they have NO records of me having any of the pre MMR jabs !?!?


i'll get back to you tomorrow like i say i'm pretty sure you have to

You don't have to. They tell you that but it isn't true.

You can go along with their lies.

Or you can stand up to them

Choice is your's./

[clozaril]

ok found the part in question on the agreement

at the beginning of the programme all students are required to attendan OH appointment for an immunistaion update.
this ensures that all students recieve appropiate immunisation for hep b.c tb MMR and varicella.
it is essential for students to have complied with this requirment in realtion to health assessment and immuniisation.
during the programme all students will be required to comply with any new national or local requirment in relation to health assessment and immunisation.

[snowdon]

admittedly, it was 12 years ago that I qualified as a nurse and politely and effectively declined my jab. I was never chased up about it during the 6 years that I was nursing.

Hepatitis is what you are at risk of if you get a needle-stick injury. You are not putting patients at risk by not having it.

Their clever wording seems to only require you to attend the appointment. Jabbing you against your will would be assault so they literally can't make you have it.

They'll bully you but I suspect they can't do anymore than that. I think it's a good opportunity to challenge the evidence of effectiveness. They won't want to get into that but it might be a hassle for you to fight your corner.

Saying you object on spiritual grounds might make them back off too.

[clozaril]

admittedly, it was 12 years ago that I qualified as a nurse and politely and effectively declined my jab. I was never chased up about it during the 6 years that I was nursing.

Hepatitis is what you are at risk of if you get a needle-stick injury. You are not putting patients at risk by not having it.

Their clever wording seems to only require you to attend the appointment. Jabbing you against your will would be assault so they literally can't make you have it.

They'll bully you but I suspect they can't do anymore than that. I think it's a good opportunity to challenge the evidence of effectiveness. They won't want to get into that but it might be a hassle for you to fight your corner.

Saying you object on spiritual grounds might make them back off too.

thanks snowden,
the part at the end saying you have to comply to new national requirment :eek:
yeah i need to challange it

[phaid]

Sign the petition against forcing British children to accept vaccinations in order to attend school or receive child benefits.
(UK citizens only)

A Labour MP has recently suggested forcing all children to be vaccinated otherwise they cannot attend school and parents should not receive child benefits. Vaccinations can cause various injuries to children and also manipulate only specific parts of the immune system and not necessarily all the appropriate parts.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/forcedvaccines/

[chemtrailhater]

absolute fact - my best freinds dad had the flu bug cos he is knocking on - he had a terrible "reaction" to it - ended up in intensive care and a wheelchair and although he is getting better now were 8 months down the line and he can still barely walk - my advice - DO NOT LET ANYONE GIVE YOU A VACCINATION in whatever form - i travel a lot, but have never took the government suggested "shots" and have never caught anything nasty.

Perhaps the bbc want us all to police families - asking them - have you had ur kids done cos we all dont want to get ill????

you know how they love us to "police" one another

[clozaril]

absolute fact - my best freinds dad had the flu bug cos he is knocking on - he had a terrible "reaction" to it - ended up in intensive care and a wheelchair and although he is getting better now were 8 months down the line and he can still barely walk - my advice - DO NOT LET ANYONE GIVE YOU A VACCINATION in whatever form - i travel a lot, but have never took the government suggested "shots" and have never caught anything nasty.

Perhaps the bbc want us all to police families - asking them - have you had ur kids done cos we all dont want to get ill????

you know how they love us to "police" one another

thats horrible !
i think i had hep a when i went travelling and i stopped taking maleria tabs after a couple of weeks and never took out insurance, i'm very wary of vaccines now :eek:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/forcedvaccines/

yep signed it

[frankanne]

thanks snowden,
the part at the end saying you have to comply to new national requirment :eek:
yeah i need to challange it

Ask you MP to show you these 'new national requirements'. I saw my MP and he was 'surprised' that I was being threatened with being chucked off my course if I didn't have the jab. He said he would look into it. I contacted the local newspaper who ran a story on it and the minute the University got wind of the story, they backed down.

You see, if government tell you a jab is 'compulsory', then they effectively have addmitted LIABILITY should anything go wrong. That's why they are careful with the wording, i.e. 'offer', 'recommend', etc. because if they use the word 'compulsory', then they are liable.

If have been in contact with people who have been damaged by this vaccine and it really is so sad when healthy people become invalids due to a vaccine.

The more we stand up against this gestapo like stuff, then the less power they will have over us.

I hope you fight your corner Clozeril. Let us know how it goes.

[deca]

The more we stand up against this gestapo like stuff, then the less power they will have over us.


well f@@king said, Good on you.
I am trying to fight these bastards myself, been took to court over it, 3 hearings so far. I don`t want to talk about at the mo. but will later.
Not about flu jabs but another forced use of drugs issue.

[frankanne]

well f@@king said, Good on you.
I am trying to fight these bastards myself, been took to court over it, 3 hearings so far. I don`t want to talk about at the mo. but will later.
Not about flu jabs but another forced use of drugs issue.

I hope you are getting the support you deserve, both practical and emotional, as taking on any authority is a big challenge.

Good for you for standing your ground.

Anything any of us can do on this forum?

That's what I think we are here for. To support each other when we face 'authority' and injustice.

whenever you are ready to talk, I'm all ears.

[frankanne]

Found this on another thread. Thanks to Beldazar. It tells you how absolutely no-one, that's no government, no official, no doctors, no-one can force vaccinations onto you or your child against your wishes. It is illegal if they do.

OK, I know that doesn't stop authorities saying that 'your child cannot go to school without it', or 'you cannot have the job without it', but it shows that the government is on shaky ground and the more we 'comply', 'collude', 'condone', then the more powerful they get. The more we refuse to go along with them, the weaker they get and the stronger we get.

Oh.... nearly forgot to put up the link:
http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/legally_avoid_shots.htm

[clozaril]

Ask you MP to show you these 'new national requirements'. I saw my MP and he was 'surprised' that I was being threatened with being chucked off my course if I didn't have the jab. He said he would look into it. I contacted the local newspaper who ran a story on it and the minute the University got wind of the story, they backed down.

You see, if government tell you a jab is 'compulsory', then they effectively have addmitted LIABILITY should anything go wrong. That's why they are careful with the wording, i.e. 'offer', 'recommend', etc. because if they use the word 'compulsory', then they are liable.

If have been in contact with people who have been damaged by this vaccine and it really is so sad when healthy people become invalids due to a vaccine.

The more we stand up against this gestapo like stuff, then the less power they will have over us.

I hope you fight your corner Clozeril. Let us know how it goes.

thanks frankanne,
i'll keep you up to date. i returned my forms yesterday, i've still got a copy of the agreement and just glancing at it they infer it is compulsary without actually using the word.
perhaps if i turn round with a contract saying 'if i suffer adverse reaction due to the vaccine the nhs is liable' they would not force it upon me

[frankanne]

thanks frankanne,
i'll keep you up to date. i returned my forms yesterday, i've still got a copy of the agreement and just glancing at it they infer it is compulsary without actually using the word.
perhaps if i turn round with a contract saying 'if i suffer adverse reaction due to the vaccine the nhs is liable' they would not force it upon me

You could do. You could even sign a waiver saying that if you do catch Hep B while in employment, then you would not hold the NHS responsible. That was suggested to me, but it didn't need to actually happen because the University backed down before it came to that.

You see the thing is that someone on the course with me actually HAD hep B and was a danger to patients, but that person wasn't told to leave the course, yet here I was, no danger to patients at all, being told I had to leave.

It's wrong, plain and simple. And it isn't legal to use emotional blackmail, i.e. have the jab or lose your job. People who have stood their ground have come out winning. It also spreads the word and EMPOWERS US. That's what's needed more than anything now. We must let the powers that be know that we have power, not them.

Good luck with it all and keep us updated.

[deca]

I hope you are getting the support you deserve, both practical and emotional, as taking on any authority is a big challenge.

Good for you for standing your ground.

Anything any of us can do on this forum?

That's what I think we are here for. To support each other when we face 'authority' and injustice.

whenever you are ready to talk, I'm all ears.

Thanks, Maybe later I might need some help exposing this.
but I will let people know.

[kguk]

The dangers are real. My neice got a jab on friday. She starts school next week. Well shes just spent the day in hospital. Shes not been well since she had the jab and this mornin my sister woke to find her barely moving and her lips were purple. Shes got asthma and i think the jab just done her wee soul in. Shes ok now, well so they say, but they said if shes still not too well in six months shes goin to need another jab. :eek:
I really want to help her but feel like im in a catch 22 situation. Do nothing and she might get worse and i dont want to think what the worst is. Convince my sister not to let her get a jab and if she gets ill then they will just say its because she never got her jag.