Great forum - now lets get it secured

[wanderer]

Thank you very much for finally getting an official forum together.

As a bit of a veteran 'whacko', 'occultist' and 'conspiracy nut', I was amazed the forum stayed up as long as it did before the thing fell over. So, a couple of hints for the administrators:

If you haven't already done so, move the forum onto a separate (physical) server to the main Icke site as quickly as possible - it is going to get hacked hard and repeatedly - believe me - I've witnessed it on other 'truth' forums. Having it on a separate machine will mean that you don't lose the entire site when (not if) it next goes down.

Then lock down the server as best as you possibly can.

Before that though - turn off HTML for posts and only allow plain text - HTML enabled posts can be used to install malicious code on your server.

Don't be afraid to ban the agents or the forum will degenerate into a mire of abuse and will fail in a very short time. Expect the innevitable cries of 'censorship' - but there is very little to be gained by allowing personal attacks. That type of ego/ fear based bullshit is exactly the kind of thing most of us are working against.

Regularly remind the ego trippers that we haven't got time for the 'listen to me - aren't I great' service to self crap - there is work to be done and moving toward freedom has its responsibilities.

Just a few ideas.

Peace

[richmick]

Thank you very much for finally getting an official forum together.

As a bit of a veteran 'whacko', 'occultist' and 'conspiracy nut', I was amazed the forum stayed up as long as it did before the thing fell over. So, a couple of hints for the administrators:

If you haven't already done so, move the forum onto a separate (physical) server to the main Icke site as quickly as possible - it is going to get hacked hard and repeatedly - believe me - I've witnessed it on other 'truth' forums. Having it on a separate machine will mean that you don't lose the entire site when (not if) it next goes down.

Then lock down the server as best as you possibly can.

Before that though - turn off HTML for posts and only allow plain text - HTML enabled posts can be used to install malicious code on your server.

Don't be afraid to ban the agents or the forum will degenerate into a mire of abuse and will fail in a very short time. Expect the innevitable cries of 'censorship'. There is very little to be gained by allowing personal attacks - that type of ego/ fear based bullshit is exactly the kind of thing most of us are working against

Regularly remind the ego trippers that we haven't got time for the 'listen to me - aren't I great' service to self crap - there is work to be done and moving toward freedom has its responsibilities.

Just a few ideas.

Peace

Yes sir, boss;) a little opinionated yourself me thinks. Smoke and MIRRORS. Birds of a feather flock together, peas in a pod lol. yeah know what i mean. oh, and mods, this is not an attack, ok boys and girls, just pointing out like attracts like, in the cooking pot of life it takes more than one ingredient to make a dish taste sooooo good, lest we get hung up on falling into fascism. It's not a nursery yeah know, ego's, including wanderer, will flare up at times. So try not to go on a power trip, and a banning fest, it's just anti-ickism that's all;)

[richmick]

Thank you very much for finally getting an official forum together.

As a bit of a veteran 'whacko', 'occultist' and 'conspiracy nut', I was amazed the forum stayed up as long as it did before the thing fell over. So, a couple of hints for the administrators:

If you haven't already done so, move the forum onto a separate (physical) server to the main Icke site as quickly as possible - it is going to get hacked hard and repeatedly - believe me - I've witnessed it on other 'truth' forums. Having it on a separate machine will mean that you don't lose the entire site when (not if) it next goes down.

Then lock down the server as best as you possibly can.

Before that though - turn off HTML for posts and only allow plain text - HTML enabled posts can be used to install malicious code on your server.

Don't be afraid to ban the agents or the forum will degenerate into a mire of abuse and will fail in a very short time. Expect the innevitable cries of 'censorship' - but there is very little to be gained by allowing personal attacks. That type of ego/ fear based bullshit is exactly the kind of thing most of us are working against.

Regularly remind the ego trippers that we haven't got time for the 'listen to me - aren't I great' service to self crap - there is work to be done and moving toward freedom has its responsibilities.

Just a few ideas.

Peace

you said bulls%$t, oh dear i'm offended, mods i'm offended, does wandrer get a PM too? huh.
Seriously, watch your language dude, the thought police are on patrol..i got told off:confused:

[purple is a fruit]

Some great ideas there. There are certainly those who seek to destroy this forum. They cannot be tolerated.

[richmick]

Some great ideas there. There are certainly those who seek to destroy this forum. They cannot be tolerated.


There are indeed, but there are also those who will not tolerate a fascist attitude, the question is, can you differentiate between the two, fruit?

[21_12_2012]

I'm sure there are enough 'awake' people on here to suss out the 'dodgy' members.
I myself hope this forum grows and grows into a place where the real truth will be accessible to ALL who come to visit, and not a mine of disinformation and arguments.
I think it will flourish :)

[andrew wilson]

Some great ideas there. There are certainly those who seek to destroy this forum. They cannot be tolerated.

Didn't the Nazi's make similar comments about Jewish people?

I fail to see why anyone would want to destroy any such place? Some may be more opinionated than others, some may go out of their way to offend. But do you really believe that their are "bogus" users here whose sole raison d'etre is to "destroy" a form?

I do so hope that you were being dramatic for effect.

[andrew wilson]

I'm sure there are enough 'awake' people on here to suss out the 'dodgy' members.
I myself hope this forum grows and grows into a place where the real truth will be accessible to ALL who come to visit, and not a mine of disinformation and arguments.
I think it will flourish :)

I am sure it will. But who decides who is "dodgy" and who is "awake"? Just what is "awake"?

It seems to me that the David Icke Forum attracts the same ill wind which blows through all aspects of cyber-life. However I would have expected here much more tolerance of our most excellent differences.

Why does it concern you so much if someone expresses a differing perspective to your own? Does one need the others gagging in order to be relevent?

[21_12_2012]

I am sure it will. But who decides who is "dodgy" and who is "awake"? Just what is "awake"?

It seems to me that the David Icke Forum attracts the same ill wind which blows through all aspects of cyber-life. However I would have expected here much more tolerance of our most excellent differences.

Why does it concern you so much if someone expresses a differing perspective to your own? Does one need the others gagging in order to be relevent?

But who decides who is "dodgy" and who is "awake"? Just what is "awake"?

This will come down to the reasoning and analysis of the genuine members on here, who really want to help each other/share information/become more 'enlightened' for want of a better word (or 'awake' as i wrote previously)
Awake is 'aware' of the manipulation/control and having at least a basic understanding of the nature of 'reality' and how we fit into the scheme of it all. As opposed to 'asleep' which is what the large percentage of the population is, through mostly no fault of their own. I myself was asleep until around 5 or 6 years ago when i started to seriously question and look deeply into who really runs the world, and how, and why...then...the deeper you go...the more 'awake' you become.
Non-genuine members on here will appear to have not much interest in 'waking others up', and will probably appear to argue and mainly talk crap, rather than adding constructive information to the forum.

[purple is a fruit]

There are indeed, but there are also those who will not tolerate a fascist attitude, the question is, can you differentiate between the two, fruit?

yes, I don't feel it is rocket science.

[purple is a fruit]

I am sure it will. But who decides who is "dodgy" and who is "awake"? Just what is "awake"?

It seems to me that the David Icke Forum attracts the same ill wind which blows through all aspects of cyber-life. However I would have expected here much more tolerance of our most excellent differences.

Why does it concern you so much if someone expresses a differing perspective to your own? Does one need the others gagging in order to be relevent?


It's is not so much about the differing perspective.What would a forum be without this? I think what is being refered to is the ones in here who are in here purely to cause trouble and destroy threads. Especially the ones who are not who they claim to be. It only takes a small quantity of intuition to figure those ones out.

You seem hell bent here on twisting things Andrew.
IMO you argue purely for the sake of an argument, whether you yourself believe in what you are saying or not.
We are here to learn from each others views and bounce around thoughts and ideas i would have thought. Not be be abused, harassed,demoralised and spat on.Those who do this for kicks or for money have no place here.
They are obvious,and their intention is not to learn anything, but to try and prevent others from doing this. Pointless having them here, I think the moderators can decide this as they are the ones closely monitoring the postings, and I am sure they are able to spot these viruses as readily as myself or the next person.

if you feel there is 'ill wind' flowing here well go somewhere else, you don't have to be here, there are many other forums. it cracks me up when people moan and moan and moan about this forum and then stay here:confused:

[purple is a fruit]

Didn't the Nazi's make similar comments about Jewish people?

I fail to see why anyone would want to destroy any such place? Some may be more opinionated than others, some may go out of their way to offend. But do you really believe that their are "bogus" users here whose sole raison d'etre is to "destroy" a form?

I do so hope that you were being dramatic for effect.


You fail to see? well open your eyes.

oh and the Nazi comment? very touching Andrew. Your best work to date.

[edelweiss pirate]

Thank you very much for finally getting an official forum together.

As a bit of a veteran 'whacko', 'occultist' and 'conspiracy nut', I was amazed the forum stayed up as long as it did before the thing fell over. So, a couple of hints for the administrators:

If you haven't already done so, move the forum onto a separate (physical) server to the main Icke site as quickly as possible - it is going to get hacked hard and repeatedly - believe me - I've witnessed it on other 'truth' forums. Having it on a separate machine will mean that you don't lose the entire site when (not if) it next goes down.

Then lock down the server as best as you possibly can.

Before that though - turn off HTML for posts and only allow plain text - HTML enabled posts can be used to install malicious code on your server.

Don't be afraid to ban the agents or the forum will degenerate into a mire of abuse and will fail in a very short time. Expect the innevitable cries of 'censorship' - but there is very little to be gained by allowing personal attacks. That type of ego/ fear based bullshit is exactly the kind of thing most of us are working against.

Regularly remind the ego trippers that we haven't got time for the 'listen to me - aren't I great' service to self crap - there is work to be done and moving toward freedom has its responsibilities.

Just a few ideas.

Peace

Find it odd how anyone could disagree with you really, but they do...

Bizarre, either they have no experience of forums and the conporacy world, or they are trolls themselves hoping that they can keep as much wriggle space as they can... could be perhaps that they just like to argue with people, unfortunately you do get a lot of people like that...

Next person who claims this is 'fascism', you sound like Rik from the young ones..

[thirdwave]

Thank you very much for finally getting an official forum together.

As a bit of a veteran 'whacko', 'occultist' and 'conspiracy nut', I was amazed the forum stayed up as long as it did before the thing fell over. So, a couple of hints for the administrators:

If you haven't already done so, move the forum onto a separate (physical) server to the main Icke site as quickly as possible - it is going to get hacked hard and repeatedly - believe me - I've witnessed it on other 'truth' forums. Having it on a separate machine will mean that you don't lose the entire site when (not if) it next goes down.

Then lock down the server as best as you possibly can.

Before that though - turn off HTML for posts and only allow plain text - HTML enabled posts can be used to install malicious code on your server.

Don't be afraid to ban the agents or the forum will degenerate into a mire of abuse and will fail in a very short time. Expect the innevitable cries of 'censorship' - but there is very little to be gained by allowing personal attacks. That type of ego/ fear based bullshit is exactly the kind of thing most of us are working against.

Regularly remind the ego trippers that we haven't got time for the 'listen to me - aren't I great' service to self crap - there is work to be done and moving toward freedom has its responsibilities.

Just a few ideas.

Peace


Im with ya...

[thirdwave]

There are indeed, but there are also those who will not tolerate a fascist attitude, the question is, can you differentiate between the two, fruit?



The people with the Fascist attiude are the ones that should be banned... the ones who ridicule a bully those who dont comply with their views.

implying this place has a fascist attitude is like saying the houses of parliament is a pedestal of free speech.

[thirdwave]

Didn't the Nazi's make similar comments about Jewish people?


yes that is what the Nazi's said, but at the same times they staged events to make the Jews look bad, and manipulated there scocity into giving that image, much like the government of today are trying to make anyone with a turban look like a suicide bomber.

but that really has nothing to do with this forum.... the people with negative intent are clear to see by all here, why should somone pay for the bandwidth that they waste by sending repetitive posts designed to create false information and arguments?


I fail to see why anyone would want to destroy any such place?


the same reason they destroyed the other David Icke forum.... he used to get trouble from people because his forum was used to advertise pirate downloads and stuff... and also it was turned into one of the biggest disinfo forums around... so there motives for destroying that forum would quite simply be the same for this one, but it wont happen to this one as this website was created by David Icke and his website... the other was by a third party.

[freespark]

Yes sir, boss;) a little opinionated yourself me thinks. Smoke and MIRRORS. Birds of a feather flock together, peas in a pod lol. yeah know what i mean. oh, and mods, this is not an attack, ok boys and girls, just pointing out like attracts like, in the cooking pot of life it takes more than one ingredient to make a dish taste sooooo good, lest we get hung up on falling into fascism. It's not a nursery yeah know, ego's, including wanderer, will flare up at times. So try not to go on a power trip, and a banning fest, it's just anti-ickism that's all;)

Well if you're not a TROLL or twat you have nothing to worry about. People are throwing these 'facist' and 'freedom of speech' terms around alot. Facism has got nothing to do with it. It's about respect. If i invite people into my home, they have 'freedom of speech' and can say what they like. But if they start throwing plates and cutlery and shitting in the plant pots that is pushing the whole 'freedom' thing a little bit too far. Hence i kick them out.

It's not really that difficult to understand now is it? I have noticed the one's that are arguing 'freedom of speech' the loudest are the one's who enjoy shitting in the plant pot and throwing plates. And personaly i would'nt miss them if they were gone.

Is this hard for you to understand? They are here to cause MAXIMUM DISRUPTION and the mods have a right (in thier home) to do with these people what they want. Show a little respect and you have nothing to worry about.

Once again..it's not hard to grasp now is it?

[thirdwave]

well if this is a free forum then the mods should be free to ban who they like :D

[trinity1]

This was supposed to be for the "Is Albie a Troll?" thread, but when I pressed the submit button... I was advised that the thread had been locked :confused: Anyway, since this thread pertains to the same subject matter I'm going to post it here instead. The Wanderer and others, you want a "secure" forum, one that is "safe" from "infiltration" by those you deem "unsuitable" to post here, where rightminded people can be protected from... what exactly? A differing point of view? Some words on a computer screen?

Edelweiss Pirate: Now having had your thread locked can you see how frustrating it is to have yourself shut down in this way?




Is Albie a Troll?

He doesn't hold the same beliefs as you, so you want him banned?

He doesn't express himself in a way that you find acceptable, so you want him banned?

It's his right not to agree with you, to express himself anyway he chooses, even if it doesn't conform to your ideals, in the same way that it's your right not to agree with him and to express yourself in the way you choose.

If you don't agree, say so. Debate with him, ridicule him, call him a prick if you like, or ignore him completely - whatever you find the most appropriate.

What isn't your right is to attempt to censor, gag or otherwise stifle his right to say what he chooses.

It's very difficult to understand how anybody who has read, digested and resonated with what David Icke has said about tolerance and acceptance, can still attempt to impose this kind of restriction upon someone without realising that they might be displaying a certain degree of hypocrisy.

The outer world is a reflection of the inner and as such there can be no peace, no tolerance, no positive change in the world until we each start practising these ourselves. You either want these things, or you don't. Try to decide which that is, and act accordingly. Be that change, or go back to sleep.

Now I hear in advance the cries of crowd saying yes but if we allow these "trolls" (people?) their freedom of speech then we are denied ours. How so? Does the presence of any poster really stop anyone else from having their say? Is it possible for someone to actually DESTROY a thread by posting on it? Have any of these so called "trolls" tried to destroy the forum with a virus? Have any of them threatened harm or similar? I don't think so.

At least try to see the hypocrisy in this whole thing because at the moment, it seems to me to be a a case of "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".

[sean]

The thread was locked for the very reason that it works both ways. No one is going to be restricted or labelled a troll because of their differing views.

However, as i've said before - this is an online forum, and thus we are already restricted in communicating with eachother, and so certain things such as moderating have to be employed in order for the communication to be effective.

[drgonzo]

I've had alot of experience in forums and theres one thing that always stands out in situations like this. Trolls will post alot. Thread after thread after thread, amateur trolls atleast. This does get in the way of serious discussion, alot of people don't want to sift through 5 pages of threads where every other one is BS.
I personally don't mind a SINGLE well written trolling post now and then, especially if the person knows what they're doing, but from what I've seen the current trend seems to be imitating other users. This will only serve to confuse some of the more niave members and irritate the others.

The real question is the intent of the person/people responsible. At first it would seem like they're trying to make some witty statement against the authority, and I'll admit there is a rare chance this could be genuine, but it's more than likely that they're just trying to entertain themselves.

To the trolls:

I have yet to see 'the authority' take action against anyone who isn't blatantly clogging up the forum with useless banter. What purpose do all these "the admin is a nazi" posts serve? It's nothing but a power game to try and see if the admin will:

A. Delete the post thus "proving" that you're right.
B. Do nothing, thus letting you "win".

And it is a very fun game, but it's not what this forum was set up for. Those posts will be deleted because they do not contribute to the forum, they take away from it.

You can bitch about freedom all you want, but the truth is that everyone has absolute freedom in this matter. You are 100% free to post ANYTHING you want, and the moderators are 100% free to delete it. They're free to ban you, and you're free to get a proxy and come right back, and they're free to do it again, and again, and again and no matter how much you want to, you're never going to restrict that freedom. You want us to bow to your authority, but it's not going to happen.

I'm not under any delusions, I don't hate those with authority. I don't cry "Waaaaaa, waaaaaaa, waaaa, they're oppressing me, I'm a slave." I accept and respect that they're using their freedom to do what they want, just as I can. Just as you are. Come to think of it this bit really isn't addressed to the trolls so much since they hopefully already realize this, but rather to those legitimate members who are confused with the situation.

[trinity1]

The point is that the forum will find it's own balance without interference. It's not needed. Let it take shape, allow it to be as it will. There's plenty of room for everybody.

[freespark]

The point is that the forum will find it's own balance without interference. It's not needed. Let it take shape, allow it to be as it will. There's plenty of room for everybody.

Wake up.

It seems you have no idea. Balance? Thats bollocks and you know it. Your little friend is not getting away with his silly little games (ie: CAUSING MAXIMUM DISRUPTION THUS DISCREDITING THIS FORUM) and now you are sulking.

Balance. Lol.

Go back to the forum and see the balance in action.

[seamus]

Didn't the Nazi's make similar comments about Jewish people?

I fail to see why anyone would want to destroy any such place? Some may be more opinionated than others, some may go out of their way to offend. But do you really believe that their are "bogus" users here whose sole raison d'etre is to "destroy" a form?

I do so hope that you were being dramatic for effect.

WOW we got the "nazi" meme in only 6 posts (counting richmick's first 2 as 1)

Is that a record?

You just mentioned "nazis" for dramatic effect, right?

Remember this is not a PUBLIC forum, this is a PRIVILEGED forum kindly HOSTED by Mr. Icke and friends. No one has a RIGHT to waste David's hard disk space and bandwidth with flames and attacks.

If you fail to see why someone would want to destroy this place, I've got some ocean-front property in Kansas you might be interested in.

Enforcing civility is fine, it's enforcing ideas I have a problem with. I should have the privilege (since it is ostensibly offered) to post any opinion calmly and respectfully. But when I attack someone verbally, is that worth wasting bandwidth?

Really folks, we can learn to decouple from our emotions enough to not attack someone who vehemently disagrees with us, no?

s

[trinity1]

WOW we got the "nazi" meme in only 6 posts (counting richmick's first 2 as 1)

Is that a record?

You just mentioned "nazis" for dramatic effect, right?

Remember this is not a PUBLIC forum, this is a PRIVILEGED forum kindly HOSTED by Mr. Icke and friends. No one has a RIGHT to waste David's hard disk space and bandwidth with flames and attacks.

If you fail to see why someone would want to destroy this place, I've got some ocean-front property in Kansas you might be interested in.

Enforcing civility is fine, it's enforcing ideas I have a problem with. I should have the privilege (since it is ostensibly offered) to post any opinion calmly and respectfully. But when I attack someone verbally, is that worth wasting bandwidth?

Really folks, we can learn to decouple from our emotions enough to not attack someone who vehemently disagrees with us, no?

s

nice sig ;)

[freespark]

WOW we got the "nazi" meme in only 6 posts (counting richmick's first 2 as 1)

Is that a record?

You just mentioned "nazis" for dramatic effect, right?

Remember this is not a PUBLIC forum, this is a PRIVILEGED forum kindly HOSTED by Mr. Icke and friends. No one has a RIGHT to waste David's hard disk space and bandwidth with flames and attacks.

If you fail to see why someone would want to destroy this place, I've got some ocean-front property in Kansas you might be interested in.

Enforcing civility is fine, it's enforcing ideas I have a problem with. I should have the privilege (since it is ostensibly offered) to post any opinion calmly and respectfully. But when I attack someone verbally, is that worth wasting bandwidth?

Really folks, we can learn to decouple from our emotions enough to not attack someone who vehemently disagrees with us, no?

s

*insert 'clap' Smilie*

It's not hard to understand is it?

If you fail to see why someone would want to destroy this place, I've got some ocean-front property in Kansas you might be interested in.

Boohoo but it's just harmless fun....whaaaa. I want my freedom. :D

[edelweiss pirate]

The thread was locked for the very reason that it works both ways. No one is going to be restricted or labelled a troll because of their differing views.

However, as i've said before - this is an online forum, and thus we are already restricted in communicating with eachother, and so certain things such as moderating have to be employed in order for the communication to be effective.

You seemed content enough to label King of the mountain a troll..

Albie is something much worse than King of the mountain. he's a forum dirsruptor, is it not clear enough what his agenda is? ... Can we afford the luxury of aquiescence? I don't think so.

I find it baffling Sean... the reason I am so concerned by the issue is because of the time I have spent on a trully infiltrated forum like ATS where I see masons posting their recruitment come-ons... I was half in and half out of the masons, I've got the Captain Scarlet syndrome... I know the mysterons' ways if you like, and there is no group of people more depraved and more set on blocking the truth by any means necessary than they... So are they to be allowed to continue their work here?

[richmick]

Crikey, lots of whiter than white ego's throwing out condecending comments, whilst wearing the badge of rightousness, geez. I dislike the trolls and the self righteous, i dont discriminate between the two. Both equally as dangerous as the next.

I was warned to watch my language by the mods, for my thread titled 'Crazy Fuckers', in reference to the proposed x-ray gadgets, to be placed on the streets of the u.k. I'm an adult, there are many adults on this forum, some, well not so adult. I objected to being treated like a kid and asked the moderators to relax a bit. To not tar me, with the same brush as the trolls, yeah know, i'm an adult. In the real world we swear on occasion, so what. Icke swears, alot. It's NOT BRAIN SCIENCE now is it (oh dear a condecending remark, where af i heard that before)to work out why i was a little rattled. So chill out people, relax, and try and enjoy this experience, and stop being so bloody prudish, huh:p

[edelweiss pirate]

Nothing to do with prudeur. The issue is allowing people to discuss sensitive topics about the occult domination of the world (among other things) without being heckled, trolled, insulted, dismissed, debunked, attacked, subverted, flamed, and whatnoted...

Maybe you're not aware but there are people who are intent on blocking information like ours... The reason the internet is now the only viable source of pure and unfiltered information is precisely because there is not an army of masons threating to fire us for writing the wrong sort of news...

Chill out and relax you say, well there's a time to rest and a time to resist.

[richmick]

Nothing to do with prudeur. The issue is allowing people to discuss sensitive topics about the occult domination of the world (among other things) without being heckled, trolled, insulted, dismissed, debunked, attacked, subverted, flamed, and whatnoted...

Maybe you're not aware but there are people who are intent on blocking information like ours... The reason the internet is now the only viable source of pure and unfiltered information is precisely because there is not an army of masons threating to fire us for writing the wrong sort of news...

Chill out and relax you say, well there's a time to rest and a time to resist.

ed, you miss my point. We are all different and express ourselves in our own unique way. Sometimes if something really pisses me off, i need to use a certain language, to express my anger or frustration. It's like purging, otherwise that energy remains inside. It's like, when i drive, if someone seriously cuts me up on the road, i dont say, 'goodness gracious me, what a silly billy'. I say, 'fucking tosser, fucking murderer on the road'. My thoughts often drift to some poor kiddy that may get in this lunetics way. I'm venting my anger, as therepy for me. I mean i'm not holier than holy yet. So i do the same here, doesn't make me a troll, yeah know. Trolls are bad, but so are the self righteous, because they have little flexibility and little tolerance for others needs, beyong their own. :p

[seamus]

Nothing to do with prudeur. The issue is allowing people to discuss sensitive topics about the occult domination of the world (among other things) without being heckled, trolled, insulted, dismissed, debunked, attacked, subverted, flamed, and whatnoted...

Maybe you're not aware but there are people who are intent on blocking information like ours... The reason the internet is now the only viable source of pure and unfiltered information is precisely because there is not an army of masons threating to fire us for writing the wrong sort of news...

Chill out and relax you say, well there's a time to rest and a time to resist.

hey, we all need to hop on over to warriormatrix and buy one of those nifty orgone wands. Then when the trolls come knocking, we can shoot em with a blast of pure love! (they hate that, as do all parasites)

s

[richmick]

hey, we all need to hop on over to warriormatrix and buy one of those nifty orgone wands. Then when the trolls come knocking, we can shoot em with a blast of pure love! (they hate that, as do all parasites)

s

Do you even realise how sad you sound? Blast them with pure LOVE, them there PARASITES. You are either very young, and very silly, or your full of hate yourself. I just dont feel any LOVE from you. Hey why were at it, shall we blast those darn muslims with your wond of infinite love/hate, eh?

Hey, in your AV, looks like an army vehicle doesn't it (wink)

[freespark]

'goodness gracious me, what a silly billy'.

:D Man that made me laugh.

ed, you miss my point. We are all different and express ourselves in our own unique way. Sometimes if something really pisses me off, i need to use a certain language, to express my anger or frustration. It's like purging, otherwise that energy remains inside. It's like, when i drive, if someone seriously cuts me up on the road, i dont say, 'goodness gracious me, what a silly billy'. I say, 'fucking tosser, fucking murderer on the road'. My thoughts often drift to some poor kiddy that may get in this lunetics way. I'm venting my anger, as therepy for me. I mean i'm not holier than holy yet. So i do the same here, doesn't make me a troll, yeah know. Trolls are bad, but so are the self righteous, because they have little flexibility and little tolerance for others needs, beyong their own. :p

I understand your point rich. It's a fine line. The forum is new and so are the mods. I'm sure in time they will relax a bit as they start to realise who the real trolls are. It's been a tough start for them and i think they had to be extra vigilant because there was a real effort to make this forum look bad the last few weeks. We have to think about the 'newbies' who are just 'opening' the door to this information. I mean, conspiracy believers are looked down upon as it is. Even mocked.

Think about how DI has been discredited and made to look a 'crazy' by the mainstream. They use anything they can to sway opinion againsed him. So hence, if a forum bearing his name is filled with a load of people trying their damndest to make the place look bad, it could very easily scare people off.

Like i said....it's a fine line.

[richmick]

:D Man that made me laugh.



I understand your point rich. It's a fine line. The forum is new and so are the mods. I'm sure in time they will relax a bit as they start to realise who the real trolls are. It's been a tough start for them and i think they had to be extra vigilant because there was a real effort to make this forum look bad the last few weeks. We have to think about the 'newbies' who are just 'opening' the door to this information. I mean, conspiracy believers are looked down upon as it is. Even mocked.

Think about how DI has been discredited and made to look a 'crazy' by the mainstream. They use anything they can to sway opinion againsed him. So hence, if a forum bearing his name is filled with a load of people trying their damndest to make the place look bad, it could very easily scare people off.

Like i said....it's a fine line.

The voice of reason:D I agree with all you have said here. I did feel initially the mods were getting confused between genuine truth seekers, who need to be free to express themselves in their own unique way, and the real trolls. Real trolls can be smooth talkers and seem almost polite, behind words that are ment to divide and conquer. Swear words, the use of, cannot be a barometer of how enlightened an individual is, or whether that individual should be labelled a troll, or not. That i guess, is my point. :)

[andrew wilson]

:D Man that made me laugh.



I understand your point rich. It's a fine line. The forum is new and so are the mods. I'm sure in time they will relax a bit as they start to realise who the real trolls are. It's been a tough start for them and i think they had to be extra vigilant because there was a real effort to make this forum look bad the last few weeks. We have to think about the 'newbies' who are just 'opening' the door to this information. I mean, conspiracy believers are looked down upon as it is. Even mocked.

Think about how DI has been discredited and made to look a 'crazy' by the mainstream. They use anything they can to sway opinion againsed him. So hence, if a forum bearing his name is filled with a load of people trying their damndest to make the place look bad, it could very easily scare people off.

Like i said....it's a fine line.

I do believe you are suffering from mild paranoia. What some obviously class as harmless fun, jibing those whom they know will bite, is hardly controlled intent to discredit this forum. I find your words ludicrous, and somewhat naive

I fear people take themselves far too seriously here, what's more, some of your "trolls" are quite amusing and light relief from the repetative angst of the now surfacing "Elite".

[david_lee_roth]

hay guys!
you want a break... one break coming up!! :cool:

[seamus]

Do you even realise how sad you sound? Blast them with pure LOVE, them there PARASITES. You are either very young, and very silly, or your full of hate yourself. I just dont feel any LOVE from you. Hey why were at it, shall we blast those darn muslims with your wond of infinite love/hate, eh?

Hey, in your AV, looks like an army vehicle doesn't it (wink)

Oi, oi. I don't know if it's an army vehicle or not. It's an amphibious bidirectional car, is what it is. I 'ave a thing for amphibious vehicles.

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/2cv_boats_1.jpg


http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2006/12/swim1.jpg



http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2006/10/chinese_boat_car.jpg


http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2006/10/chinese_boat_car_1.jpg

http://www.jalopnik.com/images/2006/07/fiat_panda_floating.jpg


http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2006/06/gibbs_vehicles.jpg

http://www.bornrich.org/images/new_2006_hydra_spyder_.jpg

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/sealegs_anaconda.jpg

http://www.campersite.be/verdelers/RVers/amphibious.jpg (Yes, that's an RV)

'kay I guess that's enough.

So my point being, love. Remember what David said about "loving your enemies". We don't need to feel bad about blasting our enemies with love, as it is for their own good. They might not like the feeling of it (really parasites only like fear, love is far too high a vibration for them. This is not so they feel bad, but so that they can be healed if it is possible, and if it is not possible (what is impossible with man is possible with God) we don't need to worry about it.

I think that if you don't sense love from me, I respectfully submit that it would perhaps be more a reflection of what is inside you than what is inside me. Or it could be that love doesn't translate into ASCII too well. ;)

see this video about trolls:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

It is done in a humorous way, which also brings healing.


Cheers, and keep up the helpful dialogue!

s

[richmick]

I do believe you are suffering from mild paranoia. What some obviously class as harmless fun, jibing those whom they know will bite, is hardly controlled intent to discredit this forum. I find your words ludicrous, and somewhat naive

I fear people take themselves far too seriously here, what's more, some of your "trolls" are quite amusing and light relief from the repetative angst of the now surfacing "Elite".

Smooth talker eh Andy;) I dont get people like you, the forum hasn't shut down has it. I mean Harris still has it up hasn't he, with all your favourite posters on there, lots of light relief eh. Hmmmmm, takes a second to move from this forum to that, to feed your desires, your needs. So why are you moaning and groaning, you have what you want. You seem desperate to make a point here, on this forum. You want the flood gates to open and for the party to begin.

Listen dude, it's not your forum, get used to it. I thought the mods over reacted, got confused, were heavy handed and i complained. You know why? because i felt i was being put in the same box as the trolls. They exist, you know they do, GO back to the forum, their there, if you need them so bad.

There exists a cavanous distance between people who are just being themselves, putting their points of view across in their own unique way, to those who are deliberately trying to exploit, degrade and disrupt, for no other reason than ego, or more manipulating reasons.

Your excuses are shallow, your reasoning is suspect. Look at it this way, if you can, this place is like a youth center. Their are older people monitoring the comings and goings. A known pervert walks through the door. Whatcha do? Ignore him, or remove him from the premises.

Your extremely condecending, you like to be-little people, you FEEL to me like someone who see's themselves as better than others, superior minded. Well, live the illusion dude, by all means lol, but why dont you take it to the other side, i mean, your bound to have more fun there are'nt you now.

I'm no troll. Swear words do not denote a troll. A troll can be a smooth talker, almost polite :D :D :D :D :D :D :D say no more.;)

[freespark]

I do believe you are suffering from mild paranoia. What some obviously class as harmless fun, jibing those whom they know will bite, is hardly controlled intent to discredit this forum. I find your words ludicrous, and somewhat naive

I fear people take themselves far too seriously here, what's more, some of your "trolls" are quite amusing and light relief from the repetative angst of the now surfacing "Elite".

Of course you do andrew. Hence if you want some 'harmless fun' as you put it. You know where to find it. You can do anything you want.

[freespark]

Smooth talker eh Andy;) I dont get people like you, the forum hasn't shut down has it. I mean Harris still has it up hasn't he, with all your favourite posters on there, lots of light relief eh. Hmmmmm, takes a second to move from this forum to that, to feed your desires, your needs. So why are you moaning and groaning, you have what you want. You seem desperate to make a point here, on this forum. You want the flood gates to open and for the party to begin.

Listen dude, it's not your forum, get used to it. I thought the mods over reacted, got confused, were heavy handed and i complained. You know why? because i felt i was being put in the same box as the trolls. They exist, you know they do, GO back to the forum, their there, if you need them so bad.

There exists a cavanous distance between people who are just being themselves, putting their points of view across in their own unique way, to those who are deliberately trying to exploit, degrade and disrupt, for no other reason than ego, or more manipulating reasons.

Your excuses are shallow, your reasoning is suspect. Look at it this way, if you can, this place is like a youth center. Their are older people monitoring the comings and goings. A known pervert walks through the door. Whatcha do? Ignore him, or remove him from the premises.

Your extremely condecending, you like to be-little people, you FEEL to me like someone who see's themselves as better than others, superior minded. Well, live the illusion dude, by all means lol, but why dont you take it to the other side, i mean, your bound to have more fun there are'nt you now.

I'm no troll. Swear words do not denote a troll. A troll can be a smooth talker, almost polite :D :D :D :D :D :D :D say no more.;)

;)

[richmick]

Oi, oi. I don't know if it's an army vehicle or not. It's an amphibious bidirectional car, is what it is. I 'ave a thing for amphibious vehicles.

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/2cv_boats_1.jpg


http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2006/12/swim1.jpg



http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2006/10/chinese_boat_car.jpg


http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2006/10/chinese_boat_car_1.jpg

http://www.jalopnik.com/images/2006/07/fiat_panda_floating.jpg


http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2006/06/gibbs_vehicles.jpg

http://www.bornrich.org/images/new_2006_hydra_spyder_.jpg

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/sealegs_anaconda.jpg

http://www.campersite.be/verdelers/RVers/amphibious.jpg (Yes, that's an RV)

'kay I guess that's enough.

So my point being, love. Remember what David said about "loving your enemies". We don't need to feel bad about blasting our enemies with love, as it is for their own good. They might not like the feeling of it (really parasites only like fear, love is far too high a vibration for them. This is not so they feel bad, but so that they can be healed if it is possible, and if it is not possible (what is impossible with man is possible with God) we don't need to worry about it.

I think that if you don't sense love from me, I respectfully submit that it would perhaps be more a reflection of what is inside you than what is inside me. Or it could be that love doesn't translate into ASCII too well. ;)

see this video about trolls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9-z29BNnOo

It is done in a humorous way, which also brings healing.


Cheers, and keep up the helpful dialogue!

s

Alright Seamus, i think your hearts in the right place, just your heads a bit wonky lol.. cheers

[andrew wilson]

Smooth talker eh Andy;) I dont get people like you, the forum hasn't shut down has it. I mean Harris still has it up hasn't he, with all your favourite posters on there, lots of light relief eh. Hmmmmm, takes a second to move from this forum to that, to feed your desires, your needs. So why are you moaning and groaning, you have what you want. You seem desperate to make a point here, on this forum. You want the flood gates to open and for the party to begin.

Listen dude, it's not your forum, get used to it. I thought the mods over reacted, got confused, were heavy handed and i complained. You know why? because i felt i was being put in the same box as the trolls. They exist, you know they do, GO back to the forum, their there, if you need them so bad.

There exists a cavanous distance between people who are just being themselves, putting their points of view across in their own unique way, to those who are deliberately trying to exploit, degrade and disrupt, for no other reason than ego, or more manipulating reasons.

Your excuses are shallow, your reasoning is suspect. Look at it this way, if you can, this place is like a youth center. Their are older people monitoring the comings and goings. A known pervert walks through the door. Whatcha do? Ignore him, or remove him from the premises.

Your extremely condecending, you like to be-little people, you FEEL to me like someone who see's themselves as better than others, superior minded. Well, live the illusion dude, by all means lol, but why dont you take it to the other side, i mean, your bound to have more fun there are'nt you now.

I'm no troll. Swear words do not denote a troll. A troll can be a smooth talker, almost polite :D :D :D :D :D :D :D say no more.;)

May I refer you to my previous comments made to freespark, and also add that your remarks here above could not be expressed any clearer as to why I take issue with the initial heavy-handed approach made to some and not others.

Of course you are here to express yourself, but where is the line crossed into abusive territory? When you vilify another for his opinions via crass associations? Or when you indirectly accuse him of being that which he opposes?

I do not need to call you a "troll" in order to strengthen my conviction. I do not agree with you and seemingly many others in here. Nothing more, nothing less. You are free to speak your mind, as am I. I have nothing more to add to this particular debate.

[horseflesh]

Do you really think people abusing others and posting pointless threads like 'what std's do you have ?' is appropriate for this forum ?. :confused:

It's definately not what I came here for !.

[misscpb]

May I refer you to my previous comments made to freespark, and also add that your remarks here above could not be expressed any clearer as to why I take issue with the initial heavy-handed approach made to some and not others.

Of course you are here to express yourself, but where is the line crossed into abusive territory? When you vilify another for his opinions via crass associations? Or when you indirectly accuse him of being that which he opposes?

I do not need to call you a "troll" in order to strengthen my conviction. I do not agree with you and seemingly many others in here. Nothing more, nothing less. You are free to speak your mind, as am I. I have nothing more to add to this particular debate.

Hi Andrew

If its not persona, can I please ask you what your signature means:-

Accipere quam facere praestat injuriam

Many Thanks

[STARWALKER]

Hi Andrew

If its not persona, can I please ask you what your signature means:-



Many Thanks

Ask Cicero. :D

[STARWALKER]

It is better to suffer an injustice than to do an injustice

[the festival spirit]

a little bit surprised this is still open but no worries, talk about a thread being hijacked or going off topic :)

I think the original poster had a good point.

can anybody guess the quote i really wanted to put here?