David Icke Court Case Update - Direct from the US

[son of the godhead]

http://www.arbusinesslitigation.com/2007/04/articles/intellectual-property/copyright/preliminary-injunction-granted-for-eccentric-copyright-author/

Posted on April 19, 2007 by Kevin Lemley
Preliminary Injunction Granted for Eccentric Copyright Author

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Trackbacks The Eastern District of Missouri granted a preliminary injunction based on copyright infringement in Icke v. Adams, 2007 WL 1063426 (E.D. Mo. 4/5/07).

David Icke is a British author obsessed with the Illuminati and an interdimensional race that secretly rules the world. Royal Adams approached Icke to provide printing services in for Icke's books in the United States. Adams never acquired exclusive publishing rights or any rights to Icke's copyrights in the books. However, Adams set up a large distribution system of Icke's books without Icke's permission.

The court granted an extensive preliminary injunction. The court ordered Adams to immediately turn over all his profits from the venture and to provide Icke with access to all documents and electronic media relating to the infringement.

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So, Adams was printing up extra copies and selling some of Icke's books from his car-boot and not passing on the profits to Ar'Dave. Essentially, Adams has been caught with his hands in the till. The above is dated April 19th 2007, but we already knew as much via Icke's website dated June 2006:

"David has won an interim order stopping Adams selling his books and keeping the money, which is now held in an independent account pending the legal outcome. The judge ordered accounts and print disks to be handed over to David, but Adams has produced no such accounts, only random checks that include confirmation that Adams used income from David's books for household and garden improvements, paying his personal bills and even buying a Harley-Davidson motorbike. All this was revealed in a public court at a second hearing of the case in December, the judgement from which is still pending because of court administration delays."

All the money earned from the sale of Icke's material - by Adams - has been frozen pending the outcome of the case (I believe this is still pending). However, the court report seems to read that there was no hold placed upon Icke continuing to sell his material within the United States, via a differing method (other than Adams)?

[tru3]

http://www.arbusinesslitigation.com/2007/04/articles/intellectual-property/copyright/preliminary-injunction-granted-for-eccentric-copyright-author/

Posted on April 19, 2007 by Kevin Lemley
Preliminary Injunction Granted for Eccentric Copyright Author

Comments
Trackbacks The Eastern District of Missouri granted a preliminary injunction based on copyright infringement in Icke v. Adams, 2007 WL 1063426 (E.D. Mo. 4/5/07).

David Icke is a British author obsessed with the Illuminati and an interdimensional race that secretly rules the world. Royal Adams approached Icke to provide printing services in for Icke's books in the United States. Adams never acquired exclusive publishing rights or any rights to Icke's copyrights in the books. However, Adams set up a large distribution system of Icke's books without Icke's permission.

The court granted an extensive preliminary injunction. The court ordered Adams to immediately turn over all his profits from the venture and to provide Icke with access to all documents and electronic media relating to the infringement.

Tags: Copyright, Preliminary Injunction
Trackbacks (0) Links to blogs that reference this article Trackback URL
http://www.arbusinesslitigation.com/admin/trackback/27836

So, Adams was printing up extra copies and selling some of Icke's books from his car-boot and not passing on the profits to Ar'Dave. Essentially, Adams has been caught with his hands in the till. The above is dated April 19th 2007, but we already knew as much via Icke's website dated June 2006:

"David has won an interim order stopping Adams selling his books and keeping the money, which is now held in an independent account pending the legal outcome. The judge ordered accounts and print disks to be handed over to David, but Adams has produced no such accounts, only random checks that include confirmation that Adams used income from David's books for household and garden improvements, paying his personal bills and even buying a Harley-Davidson motorbike. All this was revealed in a public court at a second hearing of the case in December, the judgement from which is still pending because of court administration delays."

All the money earned from the sale of Icke's material - by Adams - has been frozen pending the outcome of the case (I believe this is still pending). However, the court report seems to read that there was no hold placed upon Icke continuing to sell his material within the United States, via a differing method (other than Adams)?

3 cheers for David Icke!
hip hip hooray!
hip hip hooray!
hip hip hooray!

perhaps a little intending that the court order remains in effect would be in order, eh? ;)

[auron]

Cool! :D

[sean~infinte]

absolute piss take its taken this long

meh well its good for david at least its about time the guy got sum frigen postive vibrations

[tinmenace]

I knew it, I knew it!!

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/avatars/dancing_bear.gif http://www.globalfailure.com/images/avatars/chicken-little2.gif

Not going to stop sending gooood viiibes though.....I knew it, I knew it.....la la la la laaaaa la

[i_am]

3 cheers for David Icke!
hip hip hooray!
hip hip hooray!
hip hip hooray!)

I second that :D :D :D

Yaaaaayyyy. WTG David

[i am all i am]

3 cheers for David Icke!
hip hip hooray!
hip hip hooray!
hip hip hooray!

perhaps a little intending that the court order remains in effect would be in order, eh? ;)

I'll join in this cheer.....

hip hip hooray!
hip hip hooray!
hip hip hooray!


Thanks for the info. and link Son of the Godhead.

With LOVE.

[pollock]

Me too, me too
hoooorayyy

[a fine naked fellow]

Yippie !

[thirdwave]

Will be cool when this arse hole is sorted out and nothing more to do with Ickes work......

It will also shut up all the Icke Bashers and move them onto something else to spew out a load of garbage about...


mosquito's!

[siliconpsychosis]

Good for Mr Icke. I am intrigued what impact this whole nightmare situation will have on Mr Icke. I am certain he will emerge stronger and more determined. I think the impact he has had on the collective psyche can only increase after this incident. Go Go Icke!!!!

[kristian lee]

http://www.arbusinesslitigation.com/2007/04/articles/intellectual-property/copyright/preliminary-injunction-granted-for-eccentric-copyright-author/

Posted on April 19, 2007 by Kevin Lemley
Preliminary Injunction Granted for Eccentric Copyright Author

Comments
Trackbacks The Eastern District of Missouri granted a preliminary injunction based on copyright infringement in Icke v. Adams, 2007 WL 1063426 (E.D. Mo. 4/5/07).

David Icke is a British author obsessed with the Illuminati and an interdimensional race that secretly rules the world. Royal Adams approached Icke to provide printing services in for Icke's books in the United States. Adams never acquired exclusive publishing rights or any rights to Icke's copyrights in the books. However, Adams set up a large distribution system of Icke's books without Icke's permission.

The court granted an extensive preliminary injunction. The court ordered Adams to immediately turn over all his profits from the venture and to provide Icke with access to all documents and electronic media relating to the infringement.

Tags: Copyright, Preliminary Injunction
Trackbacks (0) Links to blogs that reference this article Trackback URL
http://www.arbusinesslitigation.com/admin/trackback/27836

So, Adams was printing up extra copies and selling some of Icke's books from his car-boot and not passing on the profits to Ar'Dave. Essentially, Adams has been caught with his hands in the till. The above is dated April 19th 2007, but we already knew as much via Icke's website dated June 2006:

"David has won an interim order stopping Adams selling his books and keeping the money, which is now held in an independent account pending the legal outcome. The judge ordered accounts and print disks to be handed over to David, but Adams has produced no such accounts, only random checks that include confirmation that Adams used income from David's books for household and garden improvements, paying his personal bills and even buying a Harley-Davidson motorbike. All this was revealed in a public court at a second hearing of the case in December, the judgement from which is still pending because of court administration delays."

All the money earned from the sale of Icke's material - by Adams - has been frozen pending the outcome of the case (I believe this is still pending). However, the court report seems to read that there was no hold placed upon Icke continuing to sell his material within the United States, via a differing method (other than Adams)?

Everyone on this thread seems to be cheering for Icke at his victory over Adam's, but am I really the only one that sees a problem here?

For months now, Pam has been pleading for donations to pay for this court case, telling us all that Icke's work was in iminent danger of ceising and that he could loose the copyright to his work if he did not successfully win the case. I always thought this was somewhat dubious as I could not see how someone could simply steal the rights to someone's copyrighted work, and it appears I was right. Icke's work was never in danger of ceising and the rights to his copyrighted work were never under threat. All that happened was Adams printed up some extra copies of Icke work, flogged them and never gave Icke any of the proceeds.

It seems to me that Pamela Icke has told everyone a pack of lies in order to fleece money from the Icke faithful, just as happened with the Richard Warman case that never went ahead, despite the fact that he took large amounts of money from people in donations and promised everyone a detailed account of the outcome, which as we know, never happened.

[siliconpsychosis]

Kristian Lee says -

It seems to me that Pamela Icke has told everyone a pack of lies in order to fleece money from the Icke faithful, just as happened with the Richard Warman case that never went ahead, despite the fact that he took large amounts of money from people in donations and promised everyone a detailed account of the outcome, which as we know, never happened.

Ive heard this argument a few times now and I really think its wishful thinking for anti Icker's. Kristian do you truly believe that David and Pamela would jeopardise his lifes work for the sake of ripping off the (probably) few people donating money? It just doesnt seem plausible to me. I mean how much money do you think this scam would gain Icke? Probably thousands rather than millions, in which case I don't see how the risk of getting caught out outweighs the financial gain.

Thats ignoring the fact that neither David or Pamela seem capable of fleecing people in this way. I mean we aren't talking Neocon mentality here. Quite the opposite I get the impression. I sense honesty, genuineness and compassion surrounding these people. I am sure those that know David and Pamela personally would sense these and many other positive traits, and not the negative traits that would exist if they really are simply con artists.

[tinmenace]

Everyone on this thread seems to be cheering for Icke at his victory over Adam's, but am I really the only one that sees a problem here?

For months now, Pam has been pleading for donations to pay for this court case, telling us all that Icke's work was in iminent danger of ceising and that he could loose the copyright to his work if he did not successfully win the case. I always thought this was somewhat dubious as I could not see how someone could simply steal the rights to someone's copyrighted work, and it appears I was right. Icke's work was never in danger of ceising and the rights to his copyrighted work were never under threat. All that happened was Adams printed up some extra copies of Icke work, flogged them and never gave Icke any of the proceeds.

It seems to me that Pamela Icke has told everyone a pack of lies in order to fleece money from the Icke faithful, just as happened with the Richard Warman case that never went ahead, despite the fact that he took large amounts of money from people in donations and promised everyone a detailed account of the outcome, which as we know, never happened.

If he doesn't win the case he will lose rights to his books (I don't recall Pam saying he would lose the copyright). Everyone will be able to print their own copies and sell them and keep profits for themselves. This is not acceptable to any author at any level.

Which parts don't you understand?

[Ian2day]

Kristian Lee says -

It seems to me that Pamela Icke has told everyone a pack of lies in order to fleece money from the Icke faithful, just as happened with the Richard Warman case that never went ahead, despite the fact that he took large amounts of money from people in donations and promised everyone a detailed account of the outcome, which as we know, never happened.

Ive heard this argument a few times now and I really think its wishful thinking for anti Icker's. Kristian do you truly believe that David and Pamela would jeopardise his lifes work for the sake of ripping off the (probably) few people donating money? It just doesnt seem plausible to me. I mean how much money do you think this scam would gain Icke? Probably thousands rather than millions, in which case I don't see how the risk of getting caught out outweighs the financial gain.

Thats ignoring the fact that neither David or Pamela seem capable of fleecing people in this way. I mean we aren't talking Neocon mentality here. Quite the opposite I get the impression. I sense honesty, genuineness and compassion surrounding these people. I am sure those that know David and Pamela personally would sense these and many other positive traits, and not the negative traits that would exist if they really are simply con artists.

Misrepresentation springs to mind. And before anyone wants to jump on me. I'm actually able to separate my view of Icke's work, from my opinion of what has taken place in this fund raising exercise.

[aznality]

That's really great. Thanks for the updates!

[i_am]

Everyone on this thread seems to be cheering for Icke at his victory over Adam's, but am I really the only one that sees a problem here?

For months now, Pam has been pleading for donations to pay for this court case, telling us all that Icke's work was in iminent danger of ceising and that he could loose the copyright to his work if he did not successfully win the case. I always thought this was somewhat dubious as I could not see how someone could simply steal the rights to someone's copyrighted work, and it appears I was right. Icke's work was never in danger of ceising and the rights to his copyrighted work were never under threat. All that happened was Adams printed up some extra copies of Icke work, flogged them and never gave Icke any of the proceeds.

It seems to me that Pamela Icke has told everyone a pack of lies in order to fleece money from the Icke faithful, just as happened with the Richard Warman case that never went ahead, despite the fact that he took large amounts of money from people in donations and promised everyone a detailed account of the outcome, which as we know, never happened.

Sigh!! No you are not the only one. You are not the first nor, I suspect, will you be the last.

It doesn't matter if you win or lose, whilst a court case is dragging on, it costs money. Legal representation does not come cheap.

I don't know about you but I am an adult and I am able to make an adult decision based on my own personal gut feeling. If I am wrong, so be it. I am not going to lose any sleep over it. I do not believe, in this case, that I am wrong however. These accusations really, really bug me. If you donated and have a problem letting go, then maybe you should have not done so. If you did not contribute, then it should be of no concern to you. I am sure that the majority of those who did contribute, did so with no strings attached.

If I GIVE someone money, then it is gone...past....over....forgotten. If I, however, LOAN them money then I will make an arrangement for repayment.

This is an official David Icke Forum, attached to the official David Icke website. We have effectively been give a room in his home to talk to like minded people. No-one has a problem with questions being asked and differences of opinion but where do people get off coming into someone's home and accusing them of lying and fleecing 'the faithful' whatever that is supposed to mean.

[tinmenace]

If you donated and have a problem letting go, then maybe you should have not done so. If you did not contribute, then it should be of no concern to you. I am sure that the majority of those who did contribute, did so with no strings attached.

If I GIVE someone money, then it is gone...past....over....forgotten. If I, however, LOAN them money then I will make an arrangement for repayment.



Well said indeed! *applause*

[peter19]

can you give ickes books away for free?. like i have a couple of ebooks if i wanted to give them away to people to read and inform themselves with would it be against the copyright?. because if so thats one thing i dont like about it, you want to wake people up with the best material and truth you should be able to give copys to your naibours if thats what you wanted. then the truth would be able to get to more people.

[tinmenace]

can you give ickes books away for free?. like i have a couple of ebooks if i wanted to give them away to people to read and inform themselves with would it be against the copyright?. because if so thats one thing i dont like about it, you want to wake people up with the best material and truth you should be able to give copys to your naibours if thats what you wanted. then the truth would be able to get to more people.

Giving a used copy is different to selling a new copy for personal gain (and not giving the author their dues).

[Ian2day]

Sigh!! No you are not the only one. You are not the first nor, I suspect, will you be the last.

It doesn't matter if you win or lose, whilst a court case is dragging on, it costs money. Legal representation does not come cheap.

1.I don't know about you but I am an adult and I am able to make an adult decision based on my own personal gut feeling. If I am wrong, so be it. I am not going to lose any sleep over it. I do not believe, in this case, that I am wrong, however. 2. These accusations really, really bug me. If you donated and have a problem letting go, then maybe you should have not done so. 3. If you did not contribute, then it should be of no concern to you. I am sure that the majority of those who did contribute, did so with 4. no strings attached.

If I GIVE someone money, then it is gone...past....over....forgotten. If I, however, LOAN them money then I will make an arrangement for repayment.

This is an official David Icke Forum, aattached to the official David Icke website. We have effectively been give a room in his home to talk to like minded people. No-one has a problem with questions being asked and differences of opinion but where do people get off coming into someone's home and accusing them of lying and fleecing 'the faithful' whatever that is supposed to mean.

1. So attack the person and not the argument.

2. Why, is your version of reality going to be deconstructed, if your belief system is questioned?

3. So based on this if you have never been raped, then rape is of no concern to you.

4. I expect some if not most people donated money based on what they was told and not because they just want to give money to a 'guru'.

[peter19]

Giving a used copy is different to selling a new copy for personal gain (and not giving the author their dues).

i know. but what i mean is iv got icke ebooks on my commy and if i wanted to "help" people (if you want to say that) by giveing them free copys on the internet would i be able to do that because of the copyright?. im not even sure it is copyrighted in all honesty,just presumeing they are.but me point behing if you think you have the truth and you think that it will help people you will want to give it to as many people as possible. but i can see though that the more money he makes from hes books the more books he can put into print.but what if the people you give a book to never heard of icke it would be unlikely that they would buy hes books in the first place. so it wouldnt cost him that much out of hes pocket. and im not slanting icke here i think hes genuin and he does do a great job, and seems a top person. just giveing my opp.

[i_am]

1. So attack the person and not the argument.

I was not aware that I was attacking anyone. If that is the way you want to take it, that is your prerogative.


2. Why, is your version of reality going to be deconstructed, if your belief system is questioned?

You have absolutely no idea of my 'belief system' and that has nothing to do with this issue.


3. So based on this if you have never been raped, then rape is of no concern to you.

I would hardly put rape in the same category as someone asking for assistance financially. Would you? If someone asks for sex and you give it freely, that would hardly be classified as rape would it?


4. I expect some if not most people donated money based on what they was told and not because they just want to give money to a 'guru'.

Donation n given as a gift.

When one gives a gift it should be unconditional or not given at all.

guru???? n hinduism spiritual teacher

Well yes I guess he is a spiritual teacher but that is not what you meant is it?

[tinmenace]

i know. but what i mean is iv got icke ebooks on my commy and if i wanted to "help" people (if you want to say that) by giveing them free copys on the internet would i be able to do that because of the copyright?. im not even sure it is copyrighted in all honesty,just presumeing they are.but me point behing if you think you have the truth and you think that it will help people you will want to give it to as many people as possible. but i can see though that the more money he makes from hes books the more books he can put into print.but what if the people you give a book to never heard of icke it would be unlikely that they would buy hes books in the first place. so it wouldnt cost him that much out of hes pocket. and im not slanting icke here i think hes genuin and he does do a great job, and seems a top person. just giveing my opp.

Right, I'm not sure that there is any law against that (but I'm not certain of it). I think that if someone reads one of David's book in ebook format, and decides that it's for them, I'm sure they'll go out and buy his books. So, I suppose it can serve a purpose, if you look at it that way.

I've read a couple of books online, and it's the most uncomfortable thing ever! I'm much happier in a comfy chair, curled up with a cat on either side of me, so for me, ebooks don't work. Also, I like to have my stacks close by for reference purposes. All my books are tabbed.

[thirdwave]

Everyone on this thread seems to be cheering for Icke at his victory over Adam's, but am I really the only one that sees a problem here?


No I'm sure there are also others who are eager to Bring David's name down.


For months now, Pam has been pleading for donations to pay for this court case, telling us all that Icke's work was in imminent danger of ceising and that he could loose the copyright to his work if he did not successfully win the case.

Wrong, not once was copyright control brought up.... it was stated he would lose control of his work and the circulation of them.... if you want to miss quote people then its easy to come to any conclusion you like.

Also the full story of the scenario has not yet come out so how can you base so much concern on something using only speculation?





I always thought this was somewhat dubious as I could not see how someone could simply steal the rights to someone's copyrighted work

Well like I say ..you have miss quoted the story in order to come across this dubious situation..... But even if they did state that the copyrights have been stolen or manipulated, its clear situations like this do happen very often in the music and movie industry.... So why is it so dubious that it happens in the book industry?...




, and it appears I was right

Hu???



. Icke's work was never in danger of ceasing

how did you come to this conclusion?

and the rights to his copyrighted work were never under threat.
When was the last time you had tea with David? .... and when did you read that he was loosing his copyrights?

Distribution is not Copyright.... understand?



All that happened was Adams printed up some extra copies of Icke work, flogged them and never gave Icke any of the proceeds.

Well I'm sure for people who would like to see David go under, this is not a big issue...infact its quite a cool issue.... but for him and others who support his works its an issue that should be stopped...

It seems to me that Pamela Icke has told everyone a pack of lies in order to fleece money from the Icke faithful

Its seems that you are trying to make this out by mis quoting and twisting it all as much as you can, yes.... is it true?...absolutely not.

, just as happened with the Richard Warman case that never went ahead, despite the fact that he took large amounts of money from people in donations and promised everyone a detailed account of the outcome, which as we know, never happened.

don't know nothing about this so I cant comment (as it would merely be speculation) but something tells me I would need to dig deeper than your info to get a more honest story on it...

[peter19]

Right, I'm not sure that there is any law against that (but I'm not certain of it). I think that if someone reads one of David's book in ebook format, and decides that it's for them, I'm sure they'll go out and buy his books. So, I suppose it can serve a purpose, if you look at it that way.


yep for instance if you give someone an ebook on another internet forum, say a football one just for example, it would possably bennefit the people reading it because its food for thought, and it would show them something what they would probblys not pick up themselves and read. and your right if the people reading it though "this is exellent man, im gonna order a few of these and give them to so and so" it would bennefit both partys, one is getting food for thought and icke would be getting some money for hes work so that he can put out more books and he would be getting that from a source that if noone give them that ebook in the first place, it would be unlikely for them to have the erge to go out and buy of of ickes books. and your right reading books on the internet or commy is not too comfterble lol, but i suppose its better than not reading them at all(like me lol). :) ill be honest i have a couple of ickes ebooks and i havent read all of one yet, i started once a while a go and then just stoped all of a suden. sighn post collector eh?, "look at all the books iv got, iv only read one though" :D

[thirdwave]

i know. but what i mean is iv got icke ebooks on my commy and if i wanted to "help" people (if you want to say that) by giveing them free copys on the internet would i be able to do that because of the copyright?. im not even sure it is copyrighted in all honesty,just presumeing they are.but me point behing if you think you have the truth and you think that it will help people you will want to give it to as many people as possible. but i can see though that the more money he makes from hes books the more books he can put into print.but what if the people you give a book to never heard of icke it would be unlikely that they would buy hes books in the first place. so it wouldnt cost him that much out of hes pocket. and im not slanting icke here i think hes genuin and he does do a great job, and seems a top person. just giveing my opp.


Well its not an easy thing... in an ideal world we can all give things away for free and be merry.... but it costs money to make the books and many times to create the info and inspiration to fill them up with....

its all well saying its right to push the books out their for free to get them around.... but if this means David's business goes under and his income stops.... its a pretty big sacrifice.... while if he did sacrifice his business for this he would be looked on as a complete martyr... I don't think its fare to put someone down for not being this martyr....

maybe he is not perfect and wants to cover his costs... I can think of worse evil in the world...

on top of that if he did go under and give it all for free.... then he would not have lasted as long as he has... would not have got his work into the mainstream and we would not have this forum.

there is enough interviews he has done that are all over the net and lots of free info.... so its not as if you have to pay a fortune to get let into his secret....

I'm also sure David is aware free e books and so on are going around.... but this does not mean you promote it.

[peter19]

maybe he is not perfect and wants to cover his costs... I can think of worse evil in the world...


that is the worst of all evils :D . nah you are right abit, icke does alot of good, much much more than i personally do and thats good, and i do think if i wanted to give ebooks to people i could write to icke and he would probbly say it was ok. even if i copyed the books and printed them out i think he would say it was ok.

in my oppinion though about ebooks i give an example above, it is not hurting anyones pockets if the person you give the ebook too in the first place was unlikely to buy the book. it could work the opposite actually i think.

[starfire56]

well, This Sort Of Thing Promotes Our Beloved David Icke,truth Is All. This Greedy Man Has Only Gone And Promoted David, Because David Means Don,t Abuse Me !! The Whole World Knows Now Wow!!

[thirdwave]

that is the worst of all evils :D . nah you are right abit, icke does alot of good, much much more than i personally do and thats good, and i do think if i wanted to give ebooks to people i could write to icke and he would probbly say it was ok. even if i copyed the books and printed them out i think he would say it was ok.

in my oppinion though about ebooks i give an example above, it is not hurting anyones pockets if the person you give the ebook too in the first place was unlikely to buy the book. it could work the opposite actually i think.


I agree.... passing on a book in an e mail asking a mte to check it out... is likely to lead to more book sales anyway and spread his name... but advertising it on his own forum like posters used to do on the old icke forum...gleefully is a bit out of order...

[peter19]

yep agreed mate. i probblys should of said aswell that i didnt just mean icke i mean most authors who have the "truth" or something which they think will help people. then the more people read it and take it in the better really.

and its good tho icke has come out with a victory in all of this.

[son of the godhead]

It seems that once again the Icke faithfull will not allow reasoned debate upon the David Icke Official Forum.

I'm pretty nuetral here, I'm not a complete Icke fanboy, and I'm more than impressed with some of his work. But from what I can read with my own eyes (via the evidence presented), Pamela Icke has clearly misled the general public in regard to this case. And as her letters were published on David's site, she has done so with his knowledge.

If you investigate for yourself the Richard Warman fund raiser, and couple it now with what we know of this one, more than a legitimate cry for help has here occured.

I agree with Krisitan Lee, completely.

[father ted]

I knew Icke would win.

I've had a few ebooks and let me tell you, they're almost impossible to read, you might read a bit of it, but in the end, you can't be fucked. The only thing is, is that you can print them out, I've never done that though.

I'm also sure David is aware free e books and so on are going around.... but this does not mean you promote it.

Yeah, that's interesting, you've got torrents, google vid, utube ect. I wonder if Icke or anyone in his situation, is able to remove his work from google vid, for example. Torrent sites would be difficult, of course. I think as far as spreading info, google vid is very usefull though, and both google vid and utube maybe usefull to promote your work.

[auron]

I'll admit that i have all of David's books as pdf's, but i also have the originals! and i agree, they are really shit to read on a screen when compared to sitting down with the book in your hand. :)

[kristian lee]

It seems that once again the Icke faithfull will not allow reasoned debate upon the David Icke Official Forum.

I'm pretty nuetral here, I'm not a complete Icke fanboy, and I'm more than impressed with some of his work. But from what I can read with my own eyes (via the evidence presented), Pamela Icke has clearly misled the general public in regard to this case. And as her letters were published on David's site, she has done so with his knowledge.

If you investigate for yourself the Richard Warman fund raiser, and couple it now with what we know of this one, more than a legitimate cry for help has here occured.

I agree with Krisitan Lee, completely.

Thank you so much for that. I agree that Icke has presented a great deal of useful information, but I wasn't aware that there was anything in the terns and conditions of this forum that said I had to be an Icke sycophant, which is what people on here seem to be expecting of me. You are also right about the Warman case as well, which incidentally I donated to, before anyone starts having a go at me. David Icke asked for funds to fight this case, and so far, no one has been able to present a shred of evidence that the case actually went ahead. When Icke was asking for donations, he assured everyone that he would update us on what happened, and then one day, the appeal for donations was removed from his site and no more was said on the matter, and Icke has said nothing about it since. This coupled together with the fact that this new information about the Adams case not matching up with Pamela Icke's version of events for which she based her appeal for money on gives anyone with a modicum of common sense good reason to bring David's character into question.

If forum members are going to be attacked for daring to think for themselves rather than following Icke like sheep, then maybe they are missing the point of what David Icke is supposed to be all about.

[auron]

I think we should just wait for David himself to explain in his own words what has gone on with his court case, instead of making wild accusations.:)

[kristian lee]

I think we should just wait for David himself to explain in his own words what has gone on with his court case, instead of making wild accusations.:)

We waited for him to explain himself over the Richard Warman case, and look where that got us.

[sean]

Please see the thread i created regarding the court case, and stop speculating and accusing David on this. He'll update the site in around 24 hours. This is a court cast, not a game of chinese whispers.