From a newbie... what theories do you believe?

[armchair philosopher]

I'm just wondering this because although I am very concerned about the way the world is going, and I have many, some people might say, 'overzealous' theories about why things are happening the way they are... some stuff I read from conspiracy theorists, especially here, I just can't quite believe.

So I was just wondering which of these do you personally believe in? My answers will come in the next post - I'd be delighted to read your views.

The Illuminati?
9/11 - inside job?
Approaching a 'Big Brother' state?
Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy?
UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA?
Reptilians running the show?
Moon landing was a hoax?
Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government?
Government are planning a hoax alien invasion?
2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan?

[armchair philosopher]

My thoughts, then:

The Illuminati? Not quite - I think 'the elite' run the show, but I don't believe it's a long running agenda throughout the ages. I just think it's people with money (i.e. oil) exerting a lot of influence on politics.
9/11 - inside job? Yeah, I think there is enough evidence for this.
Approaching a 'Big Brother' state? Yes - but I don't really think they're doing it for their own ends. I just think they are wary of how bringing in certain laws will be perceived.
Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy? Yeah, I believe everything the hacker Gary McKinnon said.
UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA? Likewise
Reptilians running the show? No, I don't think I believe this.
Moon landing was a hoax? Possibly, due to the competition the US had at the time.
Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government? I wouldn't normally agree with this, but the so-called 'inquest' conveniently dropped far too much interesting evidence that cropped up in early news stories. People in the tunnels, a bright 'flash', etc.
Government are planning a hoax alien invasion? Possibly
2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan? I hope not! But again, possibly...

[resistance]

Wellcome dude, i agree with most of your answers to your own questions, with the reptilian thing ive always said it don't change a dam thing, at the end of the day the world is run by Evil fucks, reptilian or not.

[loderlive]

with the reptilian thing ive always said it don't change a dam thing, at the end of the day the world is run by Evil fucks, reptilian or not.

true

[clozaril]

10/10
plus supression of ancient and modern history

actually add
invasion of afghanistan to control the heroin
peak oil
climate change scam

[armchair philosopher]

Wellcome dude, i agree with most of your answers to your own questions, with the reptilian thing ive always said it don't change a dam thing, at the end of the day the world is run by Evil fucks, reptilian or not.

Very true. I do wonder about it. I respect David Icke as a political commentator and researcher. But I note he never speaks about reptilians anymore, nor does he refer to his comment that he is 'the' son of God. (He later explained this by saying he meant EVERYONE is the son of God, but that is not what he said, and is quite different).

I wonder if he keeps the latter quiet purely so he doesn't discredit his current research, or if he is a fraud all round?

[armchair philosopher]

10/10
plus supression of ancient and modern history

Interesting. I'm very interested in the history business... Atlantis in particular. I have heard enough similar past life regression accounts of the place to believe in it.

I wonder what they know?

[resistance]

I don't think that david is a fraud, i just think he had a few mad momments in his early stage of awakening.

[willard]

my theory is that all those theories detract from theories and activities spent on personal development.
Which is what would really prepare people to deal with said threats and disasters.

[jhado]

It's all , all of it just a distraction , so that we spend less time with ourselves.

[resistance]

my theory is that all those theories detract from theories and activities spent on personal development.
Which is what would really prepare people to deal with said threats and disasters.

Yes and no, in terms of energy we could do without all of these conspiracy theories, but on the other hand how would we know the enemy and how to deal with it, without seaking the truth?

[darketernal]

The Illuminati? Just a word for one organization. No where near the top. No to this one.
9/11 - inside job? One inside job of many. Focusing on it too much is wasted energy, however it is important to our correct political state.

Approaching a 'Big Brother' state? We've always been in one. It is only being a little more obvious. So no to this one.

Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy?Absolutely. This is a major key to your enslavement, and 100x more important than almost any other conspiracy topic.

UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA? Yes, but refer to the above statement. They are part of the same issue.

Reptilians running the show? I absolutely know this with certaintly. This is a non-theory for me due to my life experiences.

Moon landing was a hoax? Laughable... we had the technology in the 1940's to go much further than the moon. This one is a big no.

Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government? No idea. Not to sound cold, but they kill so many people for various reasons that I don't wish to spend my entire life working on solving who, how and why for .001% of these cases.

Government are planning a hoax alien invasion? I see this is a strong possibility. I've seen no direct evidence so this one falls into the category of a theory I believe in.

2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan? No. It is an energy convergence and I'm not certain what will happen or to what extent. I remain hopefully optimistic.

[mahabaratara]

but I don't believe it's a long running agenda throughout the ages...

although I dont believe that there is a coherent top down structure it has been going on far ages...

its about energy...

your energy...

they ridicule it saying it dosent exist whilst tapping it for themselves...

[darketernal]

Very true. I do wonder about it. I respect David Icke as a political commentator and researcher. But I note he never speaks about reptilians anymore, nor does he refer to his comment that he is 'the' son of God. (He later explained this by saying he meant EVERYONE is the son of God, but that is not what he said, and is quite different).

I wonder if he keeps the latter quiet purely so he doesn't discredit his current research, or if he is a fraud all round?


He still talks about the reptilians from what I can tell, just he tends to put it near the end of any information he gives out.

[armchair philosopher]

2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan? No. It is an energy convergence and I'm not certain what will happen or to what extent. I remain hopefully optimistic.

Yeah, I like the concept of some kind of mass spiritual event. But I am equally frightened of a pole shift or something bad happening!

[jhado]

The Illuminati? Just a word for one organization. No where near the top. No to this one.
9/11 - inside job? One inside job of many. Focusing on it too much is wasted energy, however it is important to our correct political state.

Approaching a 'Big Brother' state? We've always been in one. It is only being a little more obvious. So no to this one.

Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy?Absolutely. This is a major key to your enslavement, and 100x more important than almost any other conspiracy topic.

UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA? Yes, but refer to the above statement. They are part of the same issue.

Reptilians running the show? I absolutely know this with certaintly. This is a non-theory for me due to my life experiences.

Moon landing was a hoax? Laughable... we had the technology in the 1940's to go much further than the moon. This one is a big no.

Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government? No idea. Not to sound cold, but they kill so many people for various reasons that I don't wish to spend my entire life working on solving who, how and why for .001% of these cases.

Government are planning a hoax alien invasion? I see this is a strong possibility. I've seen no direct evidence so this one falls into the category of a theory I believe in.

2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan? No. It is an energy convergence and I'm not certain what will happen or to what extent. I remain hopefully optimistic.

DT, although you look like a big jessie in your avater ,you make sense mate.

I like your attitude.

[armchair philosopher]

Reptilians running the show? I absolutely know this with certaintly. This is a non-theory for me due to my life experiences.

Wow. I didn't spot this one. What kind of 'experiences' do you refer to?

[jhado]

Yeah, I like the concept of some kind of mass spiritual event. But I am equally frightened of a pole shift or something bad happening!


Don't be frightened.....please.

[armchair philosopher]

Don't be frightened.....please.

Frightened is a strong word. I'm not really, promise!

Just waiting to see what happens, really.

[papiowhisperer]

If the official story denies it, it must be true.

Use your 'Opposite World Translator' and more often than not you'll be closer to truth on the stories that just don't make any friggen sense.

Here in America, we are on the verge of a complete economic collapse. Energy (including heating oil) and food are getting extremely expensive do to our devalued dollar. If you believe in peak oil and know about Earth's carrying capacity we are headed for TEOTWAWKI sooner than 99.9% know.

Storable foods is a great idea right now, my Friend.

[darketernal]

DT, although you look like a big jessie in your avater ,you make sense mate.

I like your attitude.

LoL yeah at the time of that photo I was able to bench press 505 lbs (around 230 kg? is my conversion correct?) for a couple of reps. There was a fairly large man hiding under those robes... I've let my weight training fall by the wayside of the last couple years though. Although being from the US I am not familiar with the term Big Jessie per se. ;)

[mr marvellous]

I'm not sure what I believe, i've spent ages thinkin about it all. Wish there was a idiot's guide to all this. I took more of an interest in the injustices in the world around the time of the iraq war 2, starting reading John Pilger/ Media lens website. Then saw Loose Change and it sort of snow balled from there.

Yeah, do tell about your reptilian experiences..

[darketernal]

Wow. I didn't spot this one. What kind of 'experiences' do you refer to?

I talk about it a bit in other posts. I'm what Mr Icke refers to as "bloodline" and am a former CIA mind-controled operative. I've broken down in another thread why I will talk about some topics but not others because technically I would be guilty of espionage and find myself in prison for life, or in a conflict with these people, which I would rather avoid at this point in my life. It is my personal experience that yes an intelligent reptilian species in running the show on earth, and they use their hybrid offspring (such as myself and a few others on this forum who are not following their programing) to enforce their will. I'm not out to convice you or anyone else that this is true, only that it is MY truth. My beliefs do not have to be yours. :D

[jhado]

If the official story denies it, it must be true.

Use your 'Opposite World Translator' and more often than not you'll be closer to truth on the stories that just don't make any friggen sense.

So by your reckoning , unicorns & wizards & dragons are real ?

Let us all hope so,

I've always told my daughter , that if she believes it.....then it exists.

[armchair philosopher]

I talk about it a bit in other posts. I'm what Mr Icke refers to as "bloodline" and am a former CIA mind-controled operative. I've broken down in another thread why I will talk about some topics but not others because technically I would be guilty of espionage and find myself in prison for life, or in a conflict with these people, which I would rather avoid at this point in my life. It is my personal experience that yes an intelligent reptilian species in running the show on earth, and they use their hybrid offspring (such as myself and a few others on this forum who are not following their programing) to enforce their will. I'm not out to convice you or anyone else that this is true, only that it is MY truth. My beliefs do not have to be yours. :D

That's pretty cool. I am very much a 'won't believe 100% until I have solid proof' kind of guy, but you certainly seem to believe it.

So are these reptilian species all bad? Or could it turn out right after all?

And is shapeshifting for real? Have you done it?

[jhado]

LoL yeah at the time of that photo I was able to bench press 505 lbs (around 230 kg? is my conversion correct?) for a couple of reps. There was a fairly large man hiding under those robes... I've let my weight training fall by the wayside of the last couple years though. Although being from the US I am not familiar with the term Big Jessie per se. ;)


It's a Scottish thing mate, it's a friendly jibe , usually spoken among friends.

;););)

[darketernal]

That's pretty cool. I am very much a 'won't believe 100% until I have solid proof' kind of guy, but you certainly seem to believe it.

So are these reptilian species all bad? Or could it turn out right after all?

And is shapeshifting for real? Have you done it?

Shapeshifting is another huge topic that could easily fill up a 100 page argument in the forums. I've seen ONE person who could shapeshift, I've seen pureblood reptilians who could not shapeshift into humans and I've found most hybrids cannot shapeshift at all. I believe the THEORY that shapeshifting is purely something done by hybrids who are inhabited or have some kind of symbiosis with a pureblood (non-human reptilian). I'm in contact with some other bybrids who post on the forum, one says that many members of their family have shapeshifted in front of this individual, however this person comes from a slightly more "pure" liniage than myself... although my mother's family is an offshoot of the line this person is part of. To my knowledge no I cannot shapeshift... my skin is pretty dry and and flaky however, but I'm not sure that is important to this topic. LoL ;)

[resistance]

I talk about it a bit in other posts. I'm what Mr Icke refers to as "bloodline" and am a former CIA mind-controled operative. I've broken down in another thread why I will talk about some topics but not others because technically I would be guilty of espionage and find myself in prison for life, or in a conflict with these people, which I would rather avoid at this point in my life. It is my personal experience that yes an intelligent reptilian species in running the show on earth, and they use their hybrid offspring (such as myself and a few others on this forum who are not following their programing) to enforce their will. I'm not out to convice you or anyone else that this is true, only that it is MY truth. My beliefs do not have to be yours. :D

Espionage, please. what the fuck are you going on about..are you not allready in conflict with these ''people'' if what you say is true? show me a reptilian and i will keep quiet honest, What a complete joke.

[jayelowell]

The Illuminati?they exist and mainly are educated in new england
9/11 - inside job?yesir!
Approaching a 'Big Brother' state?i live in the projects and they just put up tons of camaras everywhere
Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy?you can convert any car to a hydrogen car! the technology is old!
UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA?i seen a ufo and still cannot explain what it was!
Reptilians running the show?dont know but i have seen some videos on youtube that seem pretty convincing
Moon landing was a hoax?idk but neil armstrong says there is a alein moon base..
Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government?who cares!
Government are planning a hoax alien invasion?who cares
2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan?i think so! i think ppl will become aware of things next year!

[polveirbecker]

The Illuminati? Whoever though of ‘mainstream society’ as it is today is wrong whatever the name. The name doesn’t matter - just the actions!

9/11 - inside job? Yes.

Approaching a 'Big Brother' state? Too right we are with all these CCTV cameras popping up and steel fences around schools. Not to mention the speed camera.

Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy? I’m not sure on cheap / clean but they are suppressing energy so that they can get profit from it and by profit in the world that has been created means power.

UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA? You only have to look at china to realise how things are been covered up by censorship. If they can cover up information - they will cover up other things that without information is regard as nutty in this society that has been created.

Reptilians running the show? I don’t care whose running the show. Just get rid of them!

Moon landing was a hoax? I’ve lost hope in the whole space thing that suffocates this earth. I just don’t get how as mankind we are told storeys of struggle in history to travel on this world ie cavemen. Now we have a bunch of wimps who just won’t travel with any danger.

Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government? Just another thing I don’t really care about to an extent as life is forever.

Government are planning a hoax alien invasion? If this whole awakening stuff happens and the Governments NWO doesn’t work out then yeah I can see this happening just to put us back in fear. We will probably see an epic fight back like we do in the movies. The heroes will mislead most of us and the rest will be history.

2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan? I really can’t see it happening in 2012 as it is now gathering pace. If anything happens in 2012 the governments have pulled a clanger and people will just hopefully finally see through they lies. I recon it will be back to the drawing board this year for the NW0 so that they can come up with a better way to creep up on us.

[darketernal]

Espionage, please. what the fuck are you going on about..are you not allready in conflict with these ''people'' if what you say is true? show me a reptilian and i will keep quiet honest, What a complete joke.

I'm in disagreement with what they are doing and a part of, but no I'm not in conflict with them. I'm not viewed as an enemey but somewhere between a misbehaving child or a piece of equipment that is malfunctioning. I'm still viewed property and a potential asset. Personally I would rather avoid a conflict if its all the same to you.

As far as keeping quiet about the reptilians, why should I?

[resistance]

I'm not here for conflict, just truth, if speaking the truth causes conflict then too bad.

[quetzalcoatl]

It's a Scottish thing mate, it's a friendly jibe , usually spoken among friends.

;););)

Thought 'big jessies' were code for members of the society of Jesus...lol :D

Seriously tho' it means someone who's a big softy. Usually not an easily pushed around character with a hard exterior - but, generally deep down quite a caring joker.

[darketernal]

Thought 'big jessies' were code for members of the society of Jesus...lol :D

Seriously tho' it means someone who's a big softy. Usually not an easily pushed around character with a hard exterior - but, generally deep down quite a caring joker.

Haha that describes me perfectly. All my real life friends see me that way. :D

[quetzalcoatl]

Haha that describes me perfectly. All my real life friends see me that way. :D

;)

[noobcybot]

Hey A P. See, the thing is to me dude, all those things you put down there and the millions more that could have been, either nearly all of them exist or none of them do. None of the agenda makes sense to me until we look at other dimensions, life after death, the nature of human creation, for example the reptilian side of things might easily seem absurd until you look at certain pieces of the puzzle. Furthermore I fully believe I have seen an interdimensional UFO, been to astral realms and so on, so it is easier to see how that stuff might make sense when you take into account the "spiritual side".
What is the hidden knowledge that separates this new world order from the common man? I feel it is unlikey that the agenda goes so far for a goal such as creating a peaceful unity between all countries and peoples.


The Illuminati? A group taken over by the agenda, much like the Masons.
9/11 - inside job? Too much converging evidence. But that isnt the half of it, I believe it was a magical ritual.

Approaching a 'Big Brother' state? If you live in England and cant see this happening then it is probably not worth even contemplating any of this.

Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy? As Dark mentioned, this is instrumental in keeping control of the world.

UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA? I think this is the case, how much of it is psyops and how much of it is real I have no idea, I was generally against the 'Darksider' approach of some that became popular in the mid-nineties, but it does not seem so unlikely to me now.

Reptilians running the show? This could certainy be a reality, I have not seen one with my own eyes and I dont get a "feeling" for them being in existance, however they are the link that allowed me to make sense of the agenda as a whole. I am not sure they are that powerful on a universal scale.

Moon landing was a hoax? In the sense that it was a charade yeah. Rockets as space travel never really made sense to me, they seem enormously inefficient and prone to accidents.

Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government? Abso-fuggin-lutley. Major psyop/ceremony.

Government are planning a hoax alien invasion? I never went for this one, I thought there are many other means available for taking humanity into the NWO, ways that are not as difficult to carry out. Bio-warfare, (un)natural disasters, race war, "Islam" vs America etc...

2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan? Yeah, Iam not sure if an actual mystical event is going to happen but by their numerology this would be a nice time for them to put it into place, as far as my limited knowledge on this subject goes.

[darketernal]

[QUOTE=armchair philosopher;441525]
So are these reptilian species all bad? Or could it turn out right after all?

QUOTE]

Forgot to answer this one. Are all humans bad? Do all humans believe in slaughtering animals for food, using them as an energy source (ei plowing your field with an ox or riding a horse), or torturing them for fun? I would suggest that many, but not all, of the reptilians that would be viewed evil would argue that humanity are their prioperty and creation, and are just livestock, who really serve no purpose but food and energy.

No I would suggest that not all reptilians or hybrids are working against humanity directly or indirectly, if one takes that as their definition of evil.

[orgo knight]

Howdy and welcome Armchair philosopher !
All the stuff you mentioned is grist for the mill, albeit very chewy grist.
Most people are lazy, scared or ignorant and can't be fucked chewing.
Having your reality spoon fed to you via MSN is a lot easier.

Most of the subjects you mentioned I believe in.
TPTB hate us, and wan't to control us utterly. They poison our air, water and food. In the end it's only our spacesuit they can push around to varying degrees.We are not our spacesuits. So they can get fucked :)

[empyblessing]

i don't know dude. i think it's enough to just be informed of what may be going on.

[pheony]

I think the real trouble will come when so many people, become so aware, that their lies will put them in danger... That is when i fear they may do something drastic to get the people back in line. The result would be utter chaos, from which there maybe no return.

[rickcard]

Armchair Philosopher

Honest answer ?

I believe that this country lost sight of its Common heritage. Common Law, Common sense, common cause, common decency, common humanity, common courtesy.

I believe this happened, not from any conspiracy, but as a reaction to World War 2 and a genuine desire to improve things into a brand new prescriptive society.

I think this created a vacuum. And postwar immigration moved into it. And the country had already lost the Common Law which would have bound us together as one people. (The duty of everyone to protect everyone elses rights to penjoy the Queens Peace etc)

This situation was then gradually led into sectarian dibision by the burgeoning hum,an rights and race relations groups.

For their analytical purposes (and to maintain themselves in parasitic paid employ) the human rights brigade invented bogus communities. Black community, gay commnity, Asian community etc. In reality there are no such things.

Bringing this chaotic situation into our lives was the Stephen Lawrence Inquiry.


A measure of the chaos is this

A constable by law is an independent ministerial officer of the Crown sworn to the highest authority in the admin of justice to pusrue duty with neither fear nor favour nor mailce nor ill will. This has pretty much stood the test since magna Carta (we will appoint as constables only those who know the law of the realm and who are minded to keep it well)

But now we have the Home Office UNLAWFULLY training constables to breach the "Without favour" oath. Indictrination in "Respect for diversity". A constable must be blind to diversity as he is sworn to treat all equally. This is one symptom of the post Stephen Lawrence Inquiry madness stalking this land.

It is a strange situation indeed that someone like me who advocates equality under the law could be called a racist simply for calling the Stephen Lawrence inquiry a lying load of bollocks.

Anyways here is my blog showing that I seek to put it to open judicial inquiry test before the Rosemary Nelson Inquiry.

Perhaps the significant factor in the Lawrence case was not the colour of skin but the colour of money ? Guns, criminals and coppers on the take ?

And if the victim had been white does anyone believe there would have been a conviction ?

So I do not believe in conspiracy theory. I believe in malignant trends and that this country has been in one since 1945.
http://thanettatters.blogspot.com/

[airkraft]

The Illuminati? Deffinately a so called elite trying to run the whole show, the people behind the govt who tell the govt what to do

9/11 - inside job? Yep deffinately. but as a sacrafice

Approaching a 'Big Brother' state? already here

Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy? They are trying to, but some info gets out like hydro cell, joe cell, permanent magnet motor etc. Usually from tests done by joe public in their sheds

UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA? They`re deffinately trying their best

Reptilians running the show? Quite possibly..who am I to argue with credible people who have seen them

Moon landing was a hoax? I believe the public showing was a fake (black budget ops might have been there though), otherwise why is it going to take many more years and more research to go back there, if they went there 40 years ago with a lot less technology??

Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government? No, by the people behind the govt

Government are planning a hoax alien invasion? It has been alluded to that the chemtrails are tests being done to be able to "create" a hollographic projection/s in the not to distant future. they supposedly need to fill the atmosphere with something for this to work...Beware false prophets

2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan?[/QUOTE] No, 2012 is the culmination of the plan I think, we are going to see the "shit hitting the fan" over the next 4-5 years.

These are only my thoughts at present, and are open to change, as and when differering information becomes available. I try to keep an open mind on all new info, so that I dont shut out something important. Even though there is a lot of people who have and are "wakeing up", those that do, are in disagreement on certain subjects, but wholeheartedly agree on others.

[lightgiver]

One crazy world man,we know for sure the elites are running the show,for sure,and these beings do crazy things to keep the show running for there own devices,and we have an idea what these devices are,control ,power,totalitarianism,whatever you wanna call it,so they keep there positions of comfort and wealth.
And they will do anything to keep there positions of power,WHY,because the majority allow them to do it,by there constant manipulation and brainwashing,and people keep feeding the machine,so until the majority wake up its gonna keep going on.I think we are the lucky ones who know this info,at least we can change things internally,which eventually manifests itself externally.
Above it all though,i think there is some power above these elites why all this madness as gone on and is still going on,these powers above the elites in my mind i think to be of alien origin and have links to reptilian origins and these are the ones pulling the strings,for what purpose i am not quite sure yet but i am sure it will soon come to me ;)
The reason i believe it to be of alien designs,the madness on our planet,is that i look at most people and they are quite descent,but quite gullible at the same time and will believe most garbage in the mainstream media,and the rest of the mindbending garbage on offer,not most peeps fault though,try undoing years of brainwashing techniques,we still struggle,its like a mass cult what these elites have been up to;):D
And why would wealthy and powerful people want all the power and wealth,when they have quite enough to last for ever,well till the planet gets fried,
I could go on and on,but the conclusion or theories i am drawn closer to is that there is some alien agenda to our plight here on earth,
we are human beings after all,but to outsiders we could be considered to be alien,think about it;):D
So alien reptilian=elites=control,power=slavery=US and ANIMALS,and ONE TIRED PLANET:( That will eventually be stardust one day,so ask yourself,why do you care so much;):)
because you may be spirit,and nothing can destroy spirit and nothing can control spirit,and you may be already free,who knows;)
Love light and peace.

PS POWER TO THE PEOPLE,POWER TO THE PEOPLE RIGHT ON,do try to enjoy,you may only get one go.....

[uloodara]

^^^
Nice way of putting things :)

I agree with lightgiver...the most fitting (IMO) theory is the reptilian one. I mean im not sure if they're reptilian but thats what most of the evidence I have seen points to. Some out this world force.

I mean why else would people do such horrible things to this planet?
What about all the ancient religions that believed this stuff?
All these UFO stories? Underground bases? ect.

There too many things man. Too much to ignore. :cool:

The Illuminati? Yeah...they're the puppet masters!

9/11 - inside job? Yeah I am sort of passed that...I dont even look into it much anymore. It gives me HURT :(

Approaching a 'Big Brother' state? I live in England :cool: so yes!

Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy? I have seen many vids of people on the news talking about this technology. I saw one in Australia I think, and the reporter kept saying "nice idea" :confused: when she should of been like :eek: So Yeah they are suppressing it big time!

UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA? Never seen it first hand but I believe. Feeling just tells me something is out there. :cool:

Reptilians running the show? Same as above.

Moon landing was a hoax? I dont really think it makes a difference, it was just a pawn in the chess game.

Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government? Same as above. I believe it was a ritual...you must of seen the tunnel she died in ect. And the cctv camaras that were off :eek:

Government are planning a hoax alien invasion? I am still looking into it to make my mind up. I think ill give it some time..maybe a year see how things go. Yet...I am beginning to believe.

2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan? Something is going to happen. I dont really know what but Im keeping my mind open for all possibilities.

Pce!

[empyblessing]

I'm just wondering this because although I am very concerned about the way the world is going, and I have many, some people might say, 'overzealous' theories about why things are happening the way they are... some stuff I read from conspiracy theorists, especially here, I just can't quite believe.

So I was just wondering which of these do you personally believe in? My answers will come in the next post - I'd be delighted to read your views.

The Illuminati? I am uncertain. There does appear to be a collected, organized global elite though.

9/11 - inside job? The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of the poles.

Approaching a 'Big Brother' state? This is definitely so and very few skeptics could make much room to argue against it, especially in the UK.

Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy? Uncertain.

UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA? Uncertain.

Reptilians running the show? Uncertain.

Moon landing was a hoax? It doesn't matter.

Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government? Uncertain.

Government are planning a hoax alien invasion? There is little evidence of this other than testimony. Personally, I doubt it.

2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan? It's possible but I'm uncertain.

There is often evidence to support nearly any claim. The most important thing to know is to trust yourself. Your answers don't need to be what others answer. We're all just grasping at straws here, unable to find a single concept that we all could agree on was real or true. Believe what you want.

[redman]

I think the real trouble will come when so many people, become so aware, that their lies will put them in danger... That is when i fear they may do something drastic to get the people back in line. The result would be utter chaos, from which there maybe no return.


I agree totally... How far will these bastards go once their backs are up against the wall.

[darketernal]

I agree totally... How far will these bastards go once their backs are up against the wall.

They are willing to go as far as it takes to get their herd back in line, as long as there is enough of the population left to meet their bare minimum survival needs and the planet is still habitable by them. Which is why it is critical that that any revolution be a spiritual one in which humanity reclaims its power enough to reshape this world in their own image, and completely abondon ALL control systems over themselves as individuals. Any rebellion short of this will result in near extinction of humanity. It would not be the first time.

[loderlive]

They are willing to go as far as it takes to get their herd back in line, as long as there is enough of the population left to meet their bare minimum survival needs and the planet is still habitable by them. Which is why it is critical that that any revolution be a spiritual one in which humanity reclaims its power enough to reshape this world in their own image, and completely abondon ALL control systems over themselves as individuals. Any rebellion short of this will result in near extinction of humanity. It would not be the first time.

So if the sheep relinquished all control through spirituality on mass what would become of the reptilian bloodline?

[darketernal]

So if the sheep relinquished all control through spirituality on mass what would become of the reptilian bloodline?

The reptilian bloodline (the elites, royalty and other human/reptilian hybrids) or the true reptilians?

This is theory only of course, however the bloodlines being essentially human, would mingle back into humanity, being part of the wakeup. Unless humanity decided to hunt us down.... which would not be a very spiritually enlightened action imo.

The reptilians who feed on the energy of the human herd would be forced to find another energy source, or could suffer some serious consequinces. I'm not certain what the exact effects would be, however the way in which they have obsessively held onto the herd all of these years would suggest a replacement is not easily obtainable, and the lose to them considerable. It is my impression that it is not the entirety of their species which takes part in this, but only one grouping of them.

I think your question is a good one and shows a lack of selfishness, in that you have stoped to wonder what would befall another species as a result of a great positive gain for your own.

[bill23]

The Illuminati? - the elite have always been those with the cash/ in power. are they a bloodline from babylon, maybe, but im not convinced

9/11 - inside job? yes.

Approaching a 'Big Brother' state? yes

Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy? this is one thing im sure of, u cant tax free energy.

UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA? maybe, also an area with alot of evidence saying that this is the case.

Reptilians running the show? meaningless, unprovable.

Moon landing was a hoax? maybe, easy to do.

Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government? ordered by prince philip and co if it was murder.

Government are planning a hoax alien invasion? no reason to believe this

2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan? no, just another apocalyptic load of crap.

[resistance]

Bill, i think you hit the nail on the head with the reptililian question by saying meaningless and unprovable. At the end of the day we are being taxed to our knees, controled beyond sense and thats just the start, i think we should worry about what our own species are doing to each other before we worry about the lizard dudes. Maybe repies are walking this planet in high places, i wouldn't totally dismiss it, neither does it bother me either way, neither will all repie's see eye to eye either if that was the case.

[loderlive]

The reptilian bloodline (the elites, royalty and other human/reptilian hybrids) or the true reptilians?

This is theory only of course, however the bloodlines being essentially human, would mingle back into humanity, being part of the wakeup. Unless humanity decided to hunt us down.... which would not be a very spiritually enlightened action imo.

The reptilians who feed on the energy of the human herd would be forced to find another energy source, or could suffer some serious consequinces. I'm not certain what the exact effects would be, however the way in which they have obsessively held onto the herd all of these years would suggest a replacement is not easily obtainable, and the lose to them considerable. It is my impression that it is not the entirety of their species which takes part in this, but only one grouping of them.

I think your question is a good one and shows a lack of selfishness, in that you have stoped to wonder what would befall another species as a result of a great positive gain for your own.

Yes I mean reptilians, I imagine it would set a fair few bloodlines free. Could this obsessive hold of a herd suggest THEIR replacement in fact more easier than ourselves and may now be ready in waiting? A perceived threat is what endangers their energy source, not in fact our awareness of reptilians. By taking away this awareness of who we are and the desire to be free, you take away the power we have to choose. One might therefore presume that this time be more significant than ever before?

[darketernal]

Yes I mean reptilians, I imagine it would set a fair few bloodlines free. Could this obsessive hold of a herd suggest THEIR replacement in fact more easier than ourselves and may now be ready in waiting? A perceived threat is what endangers their energy source, not in fact our awareness of reptilians. By taking away this awareness of who we are and the desire to be free, you take away the power we have to choose. One might therefore presume that this time be more significant than ever before?

I'm not certain if I understand exactally what you're saying, but yes the threat to them is NOT human awareness... it is the loss of their energy source that concerns them.

Or are you suggesting they fear something else would steal their livestock?

[darketernal]

Bill, i think you hit the nail on the head with the reptililian question by saying meaningless and unprovable. At the end of the day we are being taxed to our knees, controled beyond sense and thats just the start, i think we should worry about what our own species are doing to each other before we worry about the lizard dudes. Maybe repies are walking this planet in high places, i wouldn't totally dismiss it, neither does it bother me either way, neither will all repie's see eye to eye either if that was the case.

If you look at it from our perspective, those who believe the reptilian agenda, it is far from meaningless, and the focus on tiny aspects of the imprisonment, without understanind who,what,why and how you are imprisoned, would appear to be what is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, as it would now allow for a useful escape plan.

[loderlive]

I'm not certain if I understand exactally what you're saying, but yes the threat to them is NOT human awareness... it is the loss of their energy source that concerns them.

This energy source could still continue in our awareness of reptilians, they would find a way presumably?

[jos08]

i believe in the new world order .. its gonna happen but not as soon as people say.. possibly in the 20 years or so ..

[loderlive]

I'm not certain if I understand exactally what you're saying, but yes the threat to them is NOT human awareness... it is the loss of their energy source that concerns them.

Or are you suggesting they fear something else would steal their livestock?

Yes

[darketernal]

loderlive, I've considered this possibility myself. I'm not certain how we would best find an answer to this though. I could do some RV work on it perhaps.

[fromthatshow]

Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion.
Don't need to know much more than that.
Always use true love. Forgive and let go.

[loderlive]

loderlive, I've considered this possibility myself. I'm not certain how we would best find an answer to this though. I could do some RV work on it perhaps.

You are skilled?

[darketernal]

You are skilled?

Sometimes. I'm pretty bad about getting amazing detail on a similar or nearby target while missing the intended target. :D

Yes, I had professional CIA RV training years ago.

[lizzy]

Sometimes. I'm pretty bad about getting amazing detail on a similar or nearby target while missing the intended target. :D

Yes, I had professional CIA RV training years ago.

RV? .......hi DE:)

[darketernal]

RV? .......hi DE:)

Remote Viewing.

[lizzy]

Remote Viewing.
does that include psychotronic or voice to skull tech. or do you only use your cia trained mental / telepathic abilities.

[loderlive]

loderlive, I've considered this possibility myself. I'm not certain how we would best find an answer to this though. I could do some RV work on it perhaps.

Surely by reclaiming this awareness of who we are and wanting to be free an answer will become clear and it is re-assuring to know what it will have resulted from. The internet is helping tremendously, how else could I communicate this message to yourself and vice versa? Right here and now, me and you are doing the work. I've made yet another connection with a being who wants to change the world for the better. We need to put aside our illusory differences and connect together these simple truths.

[darketernal]

Surely by reclaiming this awareness of who we are and wanting to be free an answer will become clear and it is re-assuring to know what it will have resulted from. The internet is helping tremendously, how else could I communicate this message to yourself and vice versa? Right here and now me and you are doing the work. I've made yet another connection with a being who wants to change the world for the better. We need to put aside our illusory differences and connect together these simple truths.


I competley agree on that. The barrier that prevents us from seeing that we are one consciousness experiencing existence on this frequincy as individuals is completely artificial. The seperation of oneness into independent partitions is not our natural state.

[drael]

The Illuminati - yup
9/11 - inside job - yup
Approaching a 'Big Brother' state? - well see, seems a little slow if so.
Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy - yup
UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA? - yup
Reptilians running the show? = not at all sure
Moon landing was a hoax - not sure, may be.
Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government - very likely IMO.
Government are planning a hoax alien invasion - not sure, requires very high tech so, i guess well see.
2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan - not sure, date seems important, but unsure about NWO plans

[armchair philosopher]

Remote Viewing.

Darketernal, you're a very interesting guy, from the first few discussions I've had with you. I was aware that remote viewing was supposedly used by various Governments, but it's very interesting to read of someone who has actually experienced it.

What did this training actually involve then? Is it for good or bad purposes?

[darketernal]

Darketernal, you're a very interesting guy, from the first few discussions I've had with you. I was aware that remote viewing was supposedly used by various Governments, but it's very interesting to read of someone who has actually experienced it.

What did this training actually involve then? Is it for good or bad purposes?


It is an information gathering tool. There is nothing good or bad, positive or negative in gathering information. There are a fair number of people who were professionally trained, can prove their employment in the intel community, who openly talk about the training and will train you for a fee. Anyone can do this, with training, some are just more naturally inclined to it.

On a side note, the point is, anything psychic of esoteric is viewed as nonsense or demonic in the mainstream, while our government(s) use these tools every single day within and snatch up gifted psychics very early for training, while convincing the average person that such things are nonsense. The LAST thing you want if you wish to maintain control, is for the average person to develop any ability to realize thier own potential, gather secret information or use those abilities to change the reality you wish to maintain.

[nofuture]

I don't believe all the lizard stuff.
9/11 - I don't think it was orchestrated by the top echelons of government but I think it's possible rogue elements of the security apparatus were involved or knew of it.
My only real belief is that there's a general trend to centralise power and erode our liberty, it doesn't matter who's behind it or why they're doing it.

[noobcybot]

Hey Dark, is remote viewing technically the same as astral projection or is it entirely differant? And is it like literally viewing a place with the regular 5 senses or is it in vibrational/energy/speed of thought type type experience?

[darketernal]

Hey Dark, is remote viewing technically the same as astral projection or is it entirely differant? And is it like literally viewing a place with the regular 5 senses or is it in vibrational/energy/speed of thought type type experience?

It is a reading of vibrational energies of other objects and events not in the same physical location or time as one's present physical body, and then trying to interpret them with the 5 senses as well as other senses the individual may have developed. No I do not think it is the same as astral projection. It works on the principle that we are more than our physical bodies and since we are connected directly with everything that exists, so we should be able to experience things outside of our current space-time by reaching beyond the 5 senses that normally hold us fixed into our individual experience. The "elites" as you call them know this already.

[oceanwave]

I'm just wondering this because although I am very concerned about the way the world is going, and I have many, some people might say, 'overzealous' theories about why things are happening the way they are... some stuff I read from conspiracy theorists, especially here, I just can't quite believe.

So I was just wondering which of these do you personally believe in? My answers will come in the next post - I'd be delighted to read your views.

The Illuminati?
9/11 - inside job?
Approaching a 'Big Brother' state?
Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy?
UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA?
Reptilians running the show?
Moon landing was a hoax?
Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government?
Government are planning a hoax alien invasion?
2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan?

i believe in a much more 'daring' theory

"everything is created from nothing"

:D

[disorder2k8]

The Illuminati?

- one of many large organisations who want control, there are several major groups all wanting control including asian mafia etc.
Think of it as corleone family protecting their(largely ill gained)assets from rival mobs.

9/11 - inside job?

- staged as was many other false flag op, we needed a reason for the next 'patriotism' fueled war for profit.

Approaching a 'Big Brother' state?

- Yes, but only because they want to keep the little power they have and expand it, which means taking more away from us.


Governments suppressing cheap/free, clean energy?

- Yes, of course, oil and its monopolies is big business.

UFOs being covered up by the Government/NASA?

- Yes, too many stories outside of the US, too many stories in history that are so well know you cant really cover them up.

Reptilians running the show?

- Highly likely, Ive been reading about the various Aliens that visit us and how they have been interbreeding so that they have an entity that is human born with alien goals/associations. Akin to royal family breeding, bloodline control.
Its all about their dominion over us, which we have to give away by consent (war and destruction are inferior, subversion and indirect control through power structures most used)

Moon landing was a hoax?

- Something indeed happened with the moon, some people were there Im sure too. One of the astronaughts was told to "get off and stay off", and of course you have the houses on the moon thing too.
I think a hoax landing and other hoax events/ are there to cover up what they really know.
(IE the answer is probably a bit of both, with more of the latter)
(See also: Mars)

Princess Diana's death was ordered by the Government?

- Yes, she was mingling with arabs and having too much of a good time, she was a liability sometimes.

Government are planning a hoax alien invasion?

- Heard of it, also on the table is fake asteroid (nibiru/planetx etc)
This ties in with false flag events, and control via frightening the crap out of us and having us 'unite' for this new cause. Problem-Reaction-Solution as people say.

2012 is going to be when the shit really hits the fan?

- Ive been told 21/12/2012 is actually off the mark, as its based on the Gregorian calendar, which in turn is based of the Julian etc etc
Also I understand that this rollover/reset of the long count might not be that important as the Mayans actually held festivals for good harvests and festivals every time the smaller parts of their calendars reset. IT just could have had the same effect as 'massive super end of age party'

[loderlive]

I don't believe all the lizard stuff.

Dont rule out the possibility they may "believe" in you.

[darketernal]

Dont rule out the possibility they may "believe" in you.

LoL excellent reply. You made me laugh loder. :D

[loderlive]

LoL excellent reply. You made me laugh loder. :D

Hey reverse sheep mentality and you get reptilian!

[akujin]

Dont rule out the possibility they may "believe" in you.


lol :D:D

either way, potentiates the possibilty.

[akujin]

i believe in a much more 'daring' theory

"everything is created from nothing"

:D

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