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papiowhisperer

31-07-2008, 08:39 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080731164359.ewx3rtpg&show_article= 1

Knife-wielding man beheads fellow passenger on bus Jul 31 12:44 PM US/Eastern

A passenger traveling on a bus across Canada's vast Western plains stabbed, gutted and decapitated a man seated next to him in an unexplained attack, a witness told media Thursday. The victim had been sleeping before he was repeatedly stabbed in the chest by a man with a large knife, witness Garnet Caton told public broadcaster CBC.

The other 35 passengers and driver were jolted by "blood-curdling screams" and fled. "He must have stabbed him 50 times or 60 times," said Caton.

When Caton and two others returned to check on the victim, he said they saw the attacker "cutting the guy's head off and gutting him."

"While we were watching ... he calmly walked up to the front (of the bus) with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stared at us and dropped the head right in front of us."

Police then surrounded the bus and arrested the man, he said.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police said they were investigating a "major incident" that occurred at 9 pm Wednesday (0200 GMT Thursday) on a Greyhound bus traveling eastbound from Edmonton to Winnipeg, but offered no details.

no_chip

31-07-2008, 08:51 PM

why the *** didnt anyone subdue him? 35 vs 1???

maybe lot of passengers were sleeping too? thats beyond awful..

phildee3

31-07-2008, 08:52 PM

HAARP.

They've really had it turned up high today.

edelweiss pirate

31-07-2008, 08:53 PM

phildee3

31-07-2008, 08:55 PM

Yeah nice, that really made my day.....

This is the reason I don't watch TV why post these fucked up stories of fucked up people. Sorry but why spread the disease?

You can only keep your head in the sand until it happens on your bus!

Anders Lindman

31-07-2008, 08:58 PM

Yes, this thread is about the same event:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31979

Was it a manufactured event meant for a certain purpose? Were too many people in America starting to travel with Greyhound buses, and that they staged this horror event to quickly reduce the number of bus travelers, to prevent a massive overload of too many people starting to take the bus instead of using their cars because of the high gasoline price? :confused:

papiowhisperer

31-07-2008, 08:58 PM

why the *** didnt anyone subdue him? 35 vs 1???

maybe lot of passengers were sleeping too? thats beyond awful..
In the USA many states have concealed carry gun permits, this could have been prevented.

edelweiss pirate

31-07-2008, 09:03 PM

You can only keep your head in the sand until it happens on your bus!

Right... so you live in a world where you're just waiting for this shit to happen to you too....

Enjoy that. Actually that's why they publish these twisted scare stories all the time. TO MAKE YOU AFRAID!

Anyway like I said, enjoy. Nurture your fears, nourish them with your own insecurity and watch a murderer grow out of the ground and wait for you just ahead on the next block.

Energy flows where attention goes... You'd do well to remember that Phil.

megafish33

31-07-2008, 09:08 PM

In the USA many states have concealed carry gun permits, this could have been prevented.

I know right! That's insane. I would have disarmed the mofo then Brazilian Ju-Jitsued his ass and made sure he got into the right mental institution. Everyone was in shock I'm sure... but still... :(

phildee3

31-07-2008, 09:18 PM

...that's why they publish these twisted scare stories all the time. TO MAKE YOU AFRAID!

Anyway like I said, enjoy. Nurture your fears, nourish them with your own insecurity and watch a murderer grow out of the ground and wait for you just ahead on the next block.

I'm not afraid.
Just informed enough to know that this shit is out there on the street.
And it's not me projecting a hologram out of my third eye!

They've been manufacturing this for years, and HAARP is the trigger.

Anders Lindman

31-07-2008, 09:18 PM

In the USA many states have concealed carry gun permits, this could have been prevented.

That could be true. Then my theory about a staged event to reduce the number of people taking the bus is probably only valid for Canada. Still, the whole story smacks of propaganda. I wonder what could have been the purpose for a fear-spreading event like this. It's actually in some sense more scary than a terrorist event.

Was the murderer a lone madman or an agent? Since it's the top news story on CNN, it could have been a staged event.

steevo

31-07-2008, 09:23 PM

That could be true. Then my theory about a staged event to reduce the number of people taking the bus is probably only valid for Canada. Still, the whole story smacks of propaganda. I wonder what could have been the purpose for a fear-spreading event like this. It's actually in some sense more scary than a terrorist event.

Was the murderer a lone madman or an agent? Since it's the top news story on CNN, it could have been a staged event.

Well like I said on that other thread on the same subject, maybe they are planning a stop and search before getting onto public transport (and using knife crime to forward this agenda). Maybe this is a "Shock and Awe" event ?

Anders Lindman

31-07-2008, 09:28 PM

Well like I said on that other thread on the same subject, maybe they are planning a stop and search before getting onto public transport (and using knife crime to forward this agenda). Maybe this is a "Shock and Awe" event ?

Yes, one more step to 'increase security'. Also as you said, the whole event could have been faked! Not impossible. Someone should check out the witnesses.

phildee3

31-07-2008, 09:34 PM

It's actually in some sense more scary than a terrorist event.

This was NOT a terrorist event????

edelweiss pirate

31-07-2008, 09:35 PM

I'm not afraid.
Just informed enough to know that this shit is out there on the street.
And it's not me projecting a hologram out of my third eye!

They've been manufacturing this for years, and HAARP is the trigger.

Well maybe... but I always remember talking to my mate about Whitechapel high street in London where we used to live.

I told him how great the street was and what a positive example of harmonious multi cultural living it was, what with the veg markets, the mosque and the big Bangladeshi community living side by side with old time east enders.

I expected my mate to say the same but was shocked that his experience of the same street was completely different. Whenever he went down there he saw gangs of protestors and ethnic tension simmering ready to burst at any moment while I saw nothing of the sort, just people going about their business in a fairly contented manner.

The thing is we see what we expect to see, as we know reality is lived inside our own minds but what is less well known is that the inner mind has a profound effect on the world outside. It's a two way process because after all the separation between inside and outside is only an illusion.

phildee3

31-07-2008, 09:38 PM

In the two interviews with the witness, he sounds mind controlled too.

Sounds like the whole bus was zapped,
or, I think, perhaps they drove through a high concentration of random HAARP smog.

phildee3

31-07-2008, 09:41 PM

Well maybe... but I always remember talking to my mate about Whitechapel high street in London where we used to live.

I told him how great the street was and what a positive example of harmonious multi cultural living it was, what with the veg markets, the mosque and the big Banglideshi community living side by side with old time east enders.

I expected my mate to say the same but was shocked that his experience of the same street was completely different. Whenever he went down there he saw gangs of protestors and ethnic tension simmering ready to burst at any moment while I saw nothing of the sort, just people going about their business in a fairly contented manner.

The thing is we see what we expect to see, as we know reality is lived inside our own minds but what is less well known is that the inner mind has a profound effect on the world outside. It's a two way process because after all the separation between inside and outside is only an illusion.

I think you need to get out of that hamster wheel, dude!

empyblessing

31-07-2008, 09:47 PM

who cares? im sick of hearing this shit. it doesn't matter at all. if i wanted read this putrid waste of internet i'd just read any of the other violent bullshit news sites.

this isn't the world.

edelweiss pirate

31-07-2008, 09:48 PM

I think you need to get out of that hamster wheel, dude!

Can't you read or something? What I wrote makes perfect sense to anyone of normal intelligence. Your reaction suggests you miss the benchmark requirements somewhat.

If you don't understand something don't get upset. Try to better yourself through private study and conversation with intelligent people.

I'll do you a favour, I'll put it in bold so it will be more eye catching for you and easier to understand.

Anders Lindman

31-07-2008, 09:50 PM

This was NOT a terrorist event????

Terrorists commit crimes for some political or religious purpose. This was more like a lone madman. OR, made to look like a lone madman murder.

phildee3

31-07-2008, 09:56 PM

Terrorists commit crimes for some political or religious purpose.

That's their definition.

This was terror!!!!!

edelweiss pirate

31-07-2008, 09:58 PM

Sounds like the whole bus was zapped,
or, I think, perhaps they drove through a high concentration of random HAARP smog.

What paranoid nonsense. Life must be a hoot in your shoes.

phildee3

31-07-2008, 09:59 PM

Can't you read or something? What I wrote makes perfect sense to anyone of normal intelligence. Your reaction suggests you miss the benchmark requirements somewhat.

Yeh, but I'm just a projection of your thoughts, aren't I?

phildee3

31-07-2008, 10:02 PM

What paranoid nonsense.

I think this is far less paranoid than the idea that the attacker was purposely singled out by his controllers to do this exact deed.

edelweiss pirate

31-07-2008, 10:03 PM

Yeh, but I'm just a projection of your thoughts, aren't I?

We are all interdependent. The chaos theory allegory of the butterfly has even been admitted by so called mainstream science. Quantum physics will unravel the secrets the mystics understood for so long.

The act of observing a something changes that something in a million subtle ways.

bendelapidate

31-07-2008, 10:04 PM

There have been spates of "knife crime" in many countries recently. Something tells me the elite wish to disarm us and P-R-S is the ideal way of getting the public to agree to demanding tough anti-knife laws. X-Ray machines at bus stations probably next. The guy who carried out this attack was probably mind controlled - he probably won't even remember carrying out this gruesome attack. It's funny how the police were waiting for him. How did they know the attack was taking place? Cell phone calls maybe?

phildee3

31-07-2008, 10:04 PM

We are all interdependent. The chaos theory allegory of the butterfly has even been admitted by so called mainstream science. Quantum physics will unravel the secrets the mystics understood for so long.

Tell us news, not history.

Anders Lindman

31-07-2008, 10:05 PM

That's their definition.

This was terror!!!!!

The evil elite like centralization. This means that it's possible that they want to use the term 'terror' for terrorism AND for ordinary crimes, and in that way they can make all kinds of laws related to 'terror', a term they then would want to be as broad as general as possible.

So we would I think fall into their trap if we start to call ordinary crimes terrorism.

phildee3

31-07-2008, 10:07 PM

It's funny how the police were waiting for him. How did they know the attack was taking place? Cell phone calls maybe?

dah!!!

They got you too?

Im telling you, they've got HAARP on high at the moment!

edelweiss pirate

31-07-2008, 10:07 PM

Tell us news, not history.

Again you show limited intelligence with your non-sequitur responses.

Maybe you should log off and read a book. The Russian writers are quite good for intellectual development. Accompany it with a bit of Mozart and you might actually understand my posts one day.

phildee3

31-07-2008, 10:10 PM

The evil elite like centralization. This means that it's possible that they want to use the term 'terror' for terrorism AND for ordinary crimes, and in that way they can make all kinds of laws related to 'terror', a term they then would want to be as broad as general as possible.

So we would I think fall into their trap if we start to call ordinary crimes terrorism.

Oh, this was an ordinary crime?

phildee3

31-07-2008, 10:14 PM

Again you show limited intelligence with your non-sequitur responses.
...you might actually understand my posts one day.

Dude, I was into this stuff when you were still in diapers!

Anders Lindman

31-07-2008, 10:16 PM

Oh, this was an ordinary crime?

It was an event like taken from a B horror movie. Not a terrorist attack. The elite use terms like 'War on terror' instead of 'War on terrorism'. This is actually a big difference. By using the term 'terror' they can start to sneak in ordinary crimes in their blanket anti-terrorist laws.

phildee3

31-07-2008, 10:32 PM

It was an event like taken from a B horror movie. Not a terrorist attack. The elite use terms like 'War on terror' instead of 'War on terrorism'. This is actually a big difference. By using the term 'terror' they can start to sneak in ordinary crimes in their blanket anti-terrorist laws.

okay y'all.
Write out "this was an ordinary crime" five hundred times.

You're an agent, lindy!

sloughi

31-07-2008, 10:35 PM

Did this guys get away?

Leatherface.:cool:

w1nstonsm1th84

31-07-2008, 10:40 PM

God, what a thoroughly sick and vile attack. :(

Think about the psychological trauma for the passengers etc. as well.

phildee3

31-07-2008, 10:44 PM

Think about the psychological trauma for the passengers etc. as well.

Well the one that was interviewed didn't sound traumatised at all.
Quite the opposite.

bendelapidate

31-07-2008, 10:49 PM

dah!!!

They got you too?

Im telling you, they've got HAARP on high at the moment!

it was a perfectly legitimate question.

americana

31-07-2008, 10:49 PM

Well the one that was interviewed didn't sound traumatised at all.
Quite the opposite.

It COULD be that he was so traumatized that he was numbed and showing no affect.

On the other hand, Garnet Caton, the guy on the bus, teamed up with a passing truck driverwho stopped, & the driver of the bus in keeping the alleged attacker on the bus, etc., etc. He "assumed" authority. . . .

Anders Lindman

31-07-2008, 11:02 PM

okay y'all.
Write out "this was an ordinary crime" five hundred times.

You're an agent, lindy!

The key here is that the term 'terror' can include terrorism and ordinary crimes. Ordinary crimes span ALL THE WAY from a grisly murder like this event with a madman cutting the head off a person on a bus to parking tickets. And by using the term 'terror' they can step by step include all forms of crimes in laws that from the beginning were only meant to deal with terrorism. Sneaky, isn't it?

w1nstonsm1th84

31-07-2008, 11:05 PM

Well the one that was interviewed didn't sound traumatised at all.
Quite the opposite.

Long term... there's a such thing as delayed reaction. :)

papiowhisperer

31-07-2008, 11:22 PM

last paragraph of article:
http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=5e5e949c-989a-47f7-86da-53801510af24
"Well, the rural nature of our network doesn't allow us to have airport-style security - doesn't make it practical for us to do that. We're working with Transport Canada to review inner-city bus security," Wesley said. "We're working with them to make things as safe as possible."

Applying 'opposite world translation' they plan to apply airport style security because it's easy to do, and they are working with a government agency to implement rural chaos.

steevo

31-07-2008, 11:26 PM

Keen observation. They already grabbed the guns, next knives, then box cutters, bottled water, etc. Could the taser bracelets be far behind?

last paragraph of article:
http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=5e5e949c-989a-47f7-86da-53801510af24
"Well, the rural nature of our network doesn't allow us to have airport-style security - doesn't make it practical for us to do that. We're working with Transport Canada to review inner-city bus security," Wesley said. "We're working with them to make things as safe as possible."

Well spotted mate!

kblood

31-07-2008, 11:50 PM

People ask why the 35 other passengers didnt do anything? This was one guy targetting one person. The person attacked was mortally wounded before people knew what was going on by the sound of it, so interferring could have just let to even more people dead.

Imo, the right thing to do in this situation is stay back and keep an eye on the criminal and call for the police if possible and someone else hasnt done so. For civilians to go up against criminals it should be for a good reason like stopping someone from being beaten or killed and only if that it seems the only way it can be stopped in time.

What would have happened if someone did have gun? We know he only killed one, and there might have been a personal reason. Someone might just have shot him, and we they would not have been able to figure out what hada gone wrong in the first place.

So it would end up being like the bad misguided way we cure diseases today, going after the symptoms instead of the cause. Had this criminal been killed, the symptom would be gone, but the problem still there.

Im still amazed how short sighted so many are when it comes to crime. People just wants to see punishment without thinking about long term solutions, and not even caring. The punishment in itself being justification for it although it just keeps the evil circle going.

rich157

31-07-2008, 11:59 PM

"There was no rage in him. It was just like he was a robot or something."

I don't get it ? He just done that and waited to be arrested ? was he just released from prison/institute & wanted to go back or something ?
He could of got off the bus if he wanted. Surely there would have been a fire extinguisher or emergency hammer (generally, just something he could of used some force with) that he could of broken the glass with ?

Weird :confused:

Anders Lindman

01-08-2008, 12:01 AM

What would have happened if someone did have gun?

But are people allowed to carry guns in Canada? In many U.S. states it's allowed to carry a gun. Now here is the reeely tricky thing: Was the event staged as a Problem-Reaction-Solution move to ban carrying guns in the U.S.? Why? At first it may seem that this event would help to support the legal right to carry guns, but ALAS that is only the first step. The next similar event could very well be with some madman starting shooting people on a bus (or on a train or something like that) in a grisly way. And presto: Problem: "It's too dangerous to allow citizens to carry guns." Reaction: "Another grisly massacre. This can't go on. Something must be done. What are THEY [the government] going to do about it?" Solution: "The government now has introduced a new law that makes it illegal for citizens to carry guns".

real6

01-08-2008, 12:16 AM

Heres the first video!!!

LiveLeak.com - Man stabbed and beheaded on Greyhound bus: Chilling witness account

steevo

01-08-2008, 12:18 AM

It could be someone SUPPOSEDLY suffering from Paranoid Schizophrenia. This would raise the question, how do we prevent this happening again ? And that could be very for people who have been diagnosed with mental illness. Just looking at it from another angle there.

americana

01-08-2008, 12:36 AM

But are people allowed to carry guns in Canada? In many U.S. states it's allowed to carry a gun. Now here is the reeely tricky thing: Was the event staged as a Problem-Reaction-Solution move to ban carrying guns in the U.S.? Why? At first it may seem that this event would help to support the legal right to carry guns, but ALAS that is only the first step. The next similar event could very well be with some madman starting shooting people on a bus (or on a train or something like that) in a grisly way. And presto: Problem: "It's too dangerous to allow citizens to carry guns." Reaction: "Another grisly massacre. This can't go on. Something must be done. What are THEY [the government] going to do about it?" Solution: "The government now has introduced a new law that makes it illegal for citizens to carry guns".

I will say it again in the words of Garnet (!) he was carrying a survivalist rambo knife.

SURVIVALIST - - this word is pointing to something! He is making the association with MILITARY EXTREMISTS. It is introducing a negative assocation, which may have NOTHING to do with how this man lived . . . . it is associating him with those who separate themselves from society, eschew the gov't, and may be heavily armed to protect themselves (rightly), may be stockpiling ammunition (Ruby Ridge). These are the terms "they" want you to use in labeling this man . . .

RAMBO - - again, ex-military, highly skilled in hand-to-hand combat, survivalist, killing machine - - - cuts self off from society . . . .

Anders Lindman

01-08-2008, 12:43 AM

I will say it again in the words of Garnet (!) he was carrying a survivalist rambo knife.

SURVIVALIST - - this word is pointing to something! He is making the association with MILITARY EXTREMISTS. It is introducing a negative assocation, which may have NOTHING to do with how this man lived . . . . it is associating him with those who separate themselves from society, eschew the gov't, and may be heavily armed to protect themselves (rightly), may be stockpiling ammunition (Ruby Ridge). These are the terms "they" want you to use in labeling this man . . .

RAMBO - - again, ex-military, highly skilled in hand-to-hand combat, survivalist, killing machine - - - cuts self off from society . . . .

But isn't my PRS theory valid? I think it is. Most very definitely so. And people may say: "They will not ban carrying guns because criminals don't obey the law" My reply to that is: METAL DETECTORS, metal detectors EVERYWHERE! And then some wiseass may reply: "But the criminals could use a plastic Glock", and then my reply is: "There is NO SUCH THING AS AN “ALL PLASTIC GLOCK!”" ;)

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeo1z2a/MythPlasGun.htm

simplify

01-08-2008, 01:13 AM

HAARP.

They've really had it turned up high today.

How can you tell whether it is on, off, high or low? Sorry for my lack of knowledge, help me out with this one.:confused:

simplify

01-08-2008, 01:15 AM

Anders Lindman

01-08-2008, 01:27 AM

This incident happened in Canada, not the US.

Yeah, but my theory was that the event was staged by the U.S. government, and carried out in Canada, affecting Greyhound travel in both countries. But that theory is shaky. My PRS theory is much more solid. Ooops! There may be agents reading this forum. :eek: I'll better not make too good predictions. :D

simplify

01-08-2008, 01:40 AM

But are people allowed to carry guns in Canada? In many U.S. states it's allowed to carry a gun. Now here is the reeely tricky thing: Was the event staged as a Problem-Reaction-Solution move to ban carrying guns in the U.S.? Why? At first it may seem that this event would help to support the legal right to carry guns, but ALAS that is only the first step. The next similar event could very well be with some madman starting shooting people on a bus (or on a train or something like that) in a grisly way. And presto: Problem: "It's too dangerous to allow citizens to carry guns." Reaction: "Another grisly massacre. This can't go on. Something must be done. What are THEY [the government] going to do about it?" Solution: "The government now has introduced a new law that makes it illegal for citizens to carry guns".

Anders: Canadians are not allowed to carry guns, but of course criminals manage to get some. Also the police are allowed to carry them. I think it is a stretch to say the event was staged in Canada in order to change laws in the US? If that were true, it would have had a more profound effect to carry it out on US soil.....????:rolleyes:

Anders Lindman

01-08-2008, 01:48 AM

Anders: Canadians are not allowed to carry guns, but of course criminals manage to get some. Also the police are allowed to carry them. I think it is a stretch to say the event was staged in Canada in order to change laws in the US? If that were true, it would have had a more profound effect to carry it out on US soil.....????:rolleyes:

That's part of the really tricky stunt. It's a two-stage scheme. The first event is carried out in Canada to divert attention from what is to come: the second event which will include a madman using a gun to massacre people in a similar situation. It's the second event that is the real kickoff for the Problem-Reaction-Solution.

simplify

01-08-2008, 01:55 AM

That's part of the really tricky stunt. It's a two -stage scheme. The first event is carried out in Canada to divert attention from what is to come: the second event which will include a madman using a gun to massacre people in a similar situation. It's the second event that is the real kickoff for the Problem-Reaction-Solution.

Yep....I can see your thinking on this one (one has to think like them in order to understand what their doing?) Get inside their heads....haha. Now that I think about it, the school massacre's in the US also happened in Canada... I don't know if there is a connection there also.........Whatever this event that happened today, it is way out of the norm for crime in Canada. Also the word terror or terrorism is not used with such crimes in Canada.

Anders Lindman

01-08-2008, 02:08 AM

Yep....I can see your thinking on this one (one has to think like them in order to understand what their doing?) Get inside their heads....haha. Now that I think about it, the school massacre's in the US also happened in Canada... I don't know if there is a connection there also.........Whatever this event that happened today, it is way out of the norm for crime in Canada. Also the word terror or terrorism is not used with such crimes in Canada.

Yes, I try to put myself in a mode that emulates the thinking of the evil elite. :D The problem is that the elite are very tricky so it's seldom possible to figure out what they are up to.

In this case the average pro-gun owner U.S. citizen will think: "This grisly event happened in Canada. Here in America we can carry a gun, and this protects us from a similar thing happening here", and they will think: "Good, that makes the case for pro-gun ownership, and citizens allowed to carry guns, stronger. The government will now have a much harder time trying to make carrying a gun illegal." And so they go to zzzzzleeep and then .................BOOOM!!! The second event is carried out, this time in the U.S. and this time with a madman using a gun instead of a knife causing much more mayhem, and this creates a sudden shock for the American citizens making the Problem-Reaction-Solution much more easy to finalize than would have been possible without this sinister scheme.

simplify

01-08-2008, 02:19 AM

Yes, I try to put myself in a mode that emulates the thinking of the evil elite. :D The problem is that the elite are very tricky so it's seldom possible to figure out what they are up to.

In this case the average pro-gun owner U.S. citizen will think: "This grisly event happened in Canada. Here in America we can carry a gun, and this protects us from a similar thing happening here", and they will think: "Good, that makes the case for pro-gun ownership, and citizens allowed to carry guns, stronger. The government will now have a much harder time trying to make carrying a gun illegal." And so they go to zzzzzleeep and then .................BOOOM!!! The second event is carried out, this time in the U.S. and this time with a madman using a gun instead of a knife causing much more mayhem, and this creates a sudden shock for the American citizens making the Problem-Reaction-Solution much more easy to finalize than would have been possible without this sinister scheme.
Thats good...we need more people like you to "get inside their heads" & foil their sinister plots before they manifest them. Hmmm who said we are "sheeple"?

cacadores

01-08-2008, 02:32 AM

They've been manufacturing this for years, and HAARP is the trigger.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5c/HarpMat.jpg/800px-HarpMat.jpg
Come on, it's only 8.6 proof.

Anders Lindman

01-08-2008, 02:33 AM

Thats good...we need more people like you to "get inside their heads" & foil their sinister plots before they manifest them. Hmmm who said we are "sheeple"?

The problem is that the elite are probably using manipulations on several levels so that it becomes very difficult to see through all their plans. :mad: All kinds of tricky diversions and smokescreens. This event in Canada for example may have nothing to do with some evil elite agenda, mind controlled people and things like that. It's easy to get carried away into conspiracy fantasies. :o

demeter_maru

01-08-2008, 02:48 AM

lemonique

01-08-2008, 03:38 AM

Where else have we seen people's heads being removed??

A seemingly 'normal' passenger is travelling along up the front of the bus, stopping off to have a smoke with other passengers etc, except one time he decides to sit down the back ? next to a passenger dozing with the MP3 firmly in ears. Hmmm A young guy with his eyes closed (can't see anyone), and with his ears blocked (can't hear anyone)........

Maybe the perpetrator of this crime spent some time choosing his victim??

Also the guy that was interviewed was too calm and was saying things that reminded me of the people that were 'interviewed' immediately after the towers falling. Everything was a bit too pat for my liking.

But hey!! this is just MY OPINION !!

Whatever!!

I can visualise everyone that buses from now on having to go through Xray machines.

Lemonique

americana

01-08-2008, 11:04 AM

danielg

01-08-2008, 11:21 AM

Probably a schizophrenic having a psychotic episode, more than the likelyhood of him being an MKUltra mindcontrol slave working in industrial espionage against Greyhound coaches. :rolleyes:

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 11:29 AM

Could it have been a targeted killing?

A revenge attack for something.

There are organised gangs out there who murder people like paedophiles and rapists. I've spoken to these people. Some of them are homeless people 'Arthurs' they call themselves. Others belong to extreme right wing organisations.

I have heard that masons sometimes meet very violent deaths, particularly if they cross someone in the fraternity....

However could be total conjecture and the murdered man could be as pure as the driven snow. That would be very disturbing if 'innocent' people are being offed in this way.... One always seeks for 'reason' even in the most insane situations.

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 11:35 AM

I think that this is nothing more than a tragic case of a mentally ill person, presumably psychotic or paranoid schizophrenic, losing his shit.

I feel for the dead man and the other passengers on the bus. What an awful thing to have happen.

I know a schizophrenic who told me that he had the devil inside him.....

Of course not all schizophrenics are murderers but most murderers are schizophrenic.

I've always said there is a connection between luciferian illumination and schizophrenia.... The mystic and the madman are in the same seas of existence but the mystic knows how to swim.

Anders Lindman

01-08-2008, 12:08 PM

Anders, your PRS is very interesting thinking.

However, I'm not so sure that gun laws here in the US generally allow people to carry guns (a concealed weapon as they say) without a SPECIAL permit. And they aren't going to allow everyone to do that.

I BELIEVE that gun laws vary by state.

From my understanding, in Nevada you can have a concealed weapon (without a special permit). I am not sure. Would like insight from those in the US more familiar with gun laws.

papiowhisperer wrote: "In the USA many states have concealed carry gun permits, this could have been prevented."

And this is confirmed by:

"As of February 2008, 48 US states allow some form of concealed carry"

From: Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

americana

01-08-2008, 12:09 PM

Cannibalism?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080731/Manitoba_bus_080731/20080731?hub=TopStories

Police don't know what prompted vicious bus attack
Updated Thu. Jul. 31 2008 6:51 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Police in Winnipeg said Thursday they do not know what triggered a vicious attack on a Greyhound bus the night before that led to the beheading of a passenger.

Witnesses say a man was stabbed to death and then decapitated in what appears to be a random act of violence on board the bus that was en route to Winnipeg late Wednesday.

At a news conference Thursday afternoon, RCMP Staff Sgt. Steve Colwell said a 40-year-old suspect is in custody and police were preparing to interview him. No charges have been laid.

Colwell would not confirm passenger reports that a man repeatedly stabbed his seat-mate before beheading him.

He said passengers had already left the bus when officers arrived at the scene near Portage la Prairie, Man. He added that police apprehended the suspect when he tried to escape the bus by jumping out a window.

Colwell said the actions of the passengers and driver may have prevented any other attacks from occurring.

"It's not something that happens regularly on a bus," said Colwell. "You're sitting there enjoying your trip and then all of a sudden somebody gets stabbed. I imagine it would be pretty traumatic ... the way they acted was extraordinary."

"They were very brave. They reacted swiftly, calmly in exiting the bus and as a result nobody else was injured."

Shocked witnesses said the victim, described as between the ages of 18 to 20, was sleeping with his head against the window when the attack occurred.

Garnet Caton, who was sitting in front of the victim, heard the commotion and turned around thinking he was going to witness a fight.

Caton told CTV News that once he realized what was going on he screamed: "Stop the bus, somebody's getting stabbed, everyone get the hell off."

The bus driver pulled over on a section of the east-bound Trans-Canada Highway -- about 15 kilometres west of Portage la Prairie -- and many of the 37 passengers began to flee the bus.

Passengers attempt rescue

Caton gathered a small group of people to go back and help the victim, said CTV correspondent Murray Oliver in Winnipeg.

"They returned to the back of the bus to find that the person who was stabbing the person in the neck had now sawed off the head of (the victim)."

The man, with the head in one hand and the knife in the other, then tried to attack the other passengers, said Oliver.

The group was able to exit the bus and slammed the door behind them.

The man then stabbed the door with his knife but was unable to break through and get off the bus. Eventually, he attempted to start up the bus to drive away but the operator had hit a switch, disabling the vehicle.

Oliver said a truck driver then arrived at the scene and handed out wrenches and crowbars to several men. The small group gathered around the door to the bus and prevented the man from exiting until police arrived.

Cody Olmstead, a Nova Scotia man who was on the bus, said that the killer taunted the men who were blocking the door from the outside.

"He cut (the victim's) head off and then walked up to the door holding it and just looked at them crazy-like and then dropped the head and walked back to the body and started cutting it some more," Olmstead told CTV News from outside a hotel in Brandon, Man., where he and other passengers were taken.

The man was left alone with the body and witnesses say that he performed further indignities to the victim.

"We have word from people on the scene . . . that when the killer was alone with the body . . . that there may have been some small acts of cannibalism on the body," Oliver said.

Oliver said that police have not confirmed that, but have not denied it either.

Criminal profiler Pat Brown told CTV Newsnet that the killing may have been planned in advance, even if the choice of victim was completely random.

"This may have been planned -- to have this moment of rage," she said.

A number of witnesses referred to the suspect's actions as "robot-like." Brown said that fits the profile of some high-profile psychopaths who go into a "trance" while performing ghastly acts, ignoring the world around them.

The suspect

RCMP eventually arrested the man after a standoff lasting several hours, said Oliver.

Witnesses said the suspect was tall, large and wearing sunglasses, even though it was dark.

David Eastwick, a passenger on the bus, told CTV News that he noticed that there seemed to be something "wrong" with the suspect even before the attack.

"He look kind of suspicious when I saw him," a clearly-tired Eastwick said Thursday. "Most people if you say 'Hi' to them they say 'Hi' back to you but this one just looked back and (stared.)"

"I knew something was wrong (with) his mind."

Greyhound provides counselling

Abby Wambaugh, media relations spokeswoman for Greyhound, said the company is now working with Transport Canada to review bus security.

She called the situation tragic but said travelling by bus is still "the safest mode of transportation in the country."

Wambaugh also said Greyhound is fully co-operating with the RCMP investigation.

Passengers will be escorted to Winnipeg once they are interviewed by RCMP, said Wambaugh.

Once there, Greyhound will provide counselling for any passengers who want the service, she said.

Greyhound released the following statement Thursday night:

The incident near Portage la Prairie, Manitoba, was tragic. Our condolences go out to the victim's family, and Greyhound Canada will continue to cooperate fully with the RCMP on their investigation to determine why exactly this horrible event occurred. Intercity bus has been and remains the safest mode of transportation in the country.

Government responds

Meanwhile, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day said Thursday he was shocked when he heard about the incident.

"Like most Canadians I'm horrified to hear of the account," Day said. "It's more than most people can even contemplate."

He said it was "probably one-of-a-kind in Canadian history."

Anders Lindman

01-08-2008, 12:21 PM

Cannibalism?

"WIZARD OF OZ and the ILLUMINATI MIND CONTROL

‘Dreadfully hungry,” answered the Tiger, snapping his jaws together with a fierce click.”’ This is programming for deeper cats in an alter system. The next page tells how this is used to teach the child alter cannibalism. “...the tiger. “For my part, I’m a savage beast, and have an appetite for all sorts of poor living creatures, from a chipmonk to fat babies.’ ‘How dreadful!’ said Dorothy. ‘Isn’t it, though?’ returned the Hungry Tiger licking his lips with his long red tongue. ‘Fat babies! Don’t they sound delicious? ...If I had no conscience I would probably eat the babies and then get hungry again, which would mean that I had sacrificed the poor babies for nothing....For it is the nature of tigers to be cruel and ferocious, and in refusing to eat harmless living creatures I am acting as no good tiger has ever before acted.” This part of the book is used to help teach the child alters which think they are tigers to be cannibalistic and actually participate in eating babies. This is all filmed to be used against the mind-controlled slave."

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/oz.htm

steevo

01-08-2008, 12:25 PM

Thats good...we need more people like you to "get inside their heads" & foil their sinister plots before they manifest them. Hmmm who said we are "sheeple"?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Hj-Y6o6ec

Anders Lindman

01-08-2008, 12:41 PM

"As of February 2008, 48 US states allow some form of concealed carry"

To this some people may reply: "In practice it's not easy to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon in America" That could be true, I don't know, but within the context of this particular PRS scheme that we see unfolding before our very eyes, it doesn't matter. What matters is the psychological response of the U.S. citizens, and if one does a Web search it becomes readily apparent that the prevalent belief among people is something along the line: "In the USA many states have concealed carry gun permits, this [the grisly Greyhound event in Canada] could have been prevented."

godspeed

01-08-2008, 04:45 PM

ive heard men can sleep through many things....but your own murder....maybe he was already dead before he was butchered.....staged ? mind contol maybe.....psychotic lunatic.........definately

demeter_maru

01-08-2008, 05:04 PM

To this some people may reply: "In practice it's not easy to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon in America" That could be true, I don't know, but within the context of this particular PRS scheme that we see unfolding before our very eyes, it doesn't matter. What matters is the psychological response of the U.S. citizens, and if one does a Web search it becomes readily apparent that the prevalent belief among people is something along the line: "In the USA many states have concealed carry gun permits, this [the grisly Greyhound event in Canada] could have been prevented."

Permit availabillity varies from state to state, so far as I know. For example, in my state you have to provide ID showing you are over 18, a couple passport photos, fill out a very long application, complete a gun safety training course provided by a law enforcement agency, or a place/group recognized by them, show paperwork proving you took that course, that sort of thing. I think the renewal is something like every four or five years, you have to reregi$ter...
I assume it is different in other states, don't really know, though. But un mine, anways, it's not that difficult.

messiah

01-08-2008, 05:54 PM

this is the victims myspace page

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=108390479

goldman

01-08-2008, 06:05 PM

WTF is wrong with people...

Anders Lindman

01-08-2008, 06:06 PM

Permit availabillity varies from state to state, so far as I know. For example, in my state you have to provide ID showing you are over 18, a couple passport photos, fill out a very long application, complete a gun safety training course provided by a law enforcement agency, or a place/group recognized by them, show paperwork proving you took that course, that sort of thing. I think the renewal is something like every four or five years, you have to reregi$ter...
I assume it is different in other states, don't really know, though. But un mine, anways, it's not that difficult.

It will be difficult for the U.S. government to make owning guns illegal, but they can try to make the right to carry a concealed weapon illegal.

They can use horrible events to justify such law. Here is a news story from today as an example:

"Man arrested in lakeside ambush on 3 Wis. swimmers

A dragnet ended Friday with the arrest of a man accused of emerging from woods in camouflage and opening fire with an assault rifle on a group of young swimmers who had gathered at a lake. Three were killed and another wounded."

http://www.onenewsnow.com/AP/Search/US/Default.aspx?id=201052

steevo

01-08-2008, 06:06 PM

this is the victims myspace page

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=108390479

He just HAPPENED to have a MySpace. That was lucky.

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 06:22 PM

He just HAPPENED to have a MySpace. That was lucky.

Man that's really sad. Really sad.

When you read that and realise the guy died horribly....aw man..... breaks your heart....

This is funny tho:

Who I'd like to meet:
People, a dinosaur, an alien, the wolfman, frankensteins monster, a vampire, every kewl canadian, every kewl american, every kewl every body, ppl that drink, ppl that dont, ppl who smoke, ppl who dont, ppl that work, ppl that that dont, ppl who drive, ppl who dont, ppl that get married, ppl that dont, ya get the point. either way i like meeting new people all the time and most importantly i want to meet ppl that DO!

but shit he's dead.

Check out the imagery on his blog:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/098fe9ea5c.gif (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/84eb0fa128.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

He also had this crazy ass shit video on his blog:

Insane Clown Posse - Halls of Illusions - Google Search

Insane Clown posse.

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Violent J (left) and Shaggy 2 Dope (right) of Insane Clown Posse.
Violent J (left) and Shaggy 2 Dope (right) of Insane Clown Posse.
Background information
Also known as ICP
Origin Delray, Detroit, USA
Genre(s) Hip hop
Years active 1989–present
Label(s) Psychopathic Records (1992–1995; 2000–present)
Jive Records (1995–1996)
Hollywood Records (1996–1997)

Insane Clown Posse is an American hip hop duo from Delray, Detroit. The group comprises Joseph Bruce and Joseph Utsler, who perform under the respective personas of the murderous, wicked clowns Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope. Insane Clown Posse performs a style of hardcore hip hop known as horrorcore and is known for its dark, violent lyrics and elaborate live performances. The duo has earned two platinum and three gold albums, but have been criticized for the violent content and perceived immature nature of their lyrics.

Originally known as Inner City Posse, Bruce and Utsler changed the group's name when prompted by a vision in a dream resembling a traveling carnival. The dream also inspired the introduction of supernatural-and horror-themed lyrics. The duo founded the independent record label, Psychopathic Records, with Alex Abbiss as manager, and produced and starred in the feature film, Big Money Hustlas. They formed their own wrestling federation, Juggalo Championship Wrestling, and later collaborated with many famous hip hop and rock musicians.

The themes of Insane Clown Posse and other acts on Psychopathic Records center on the mythology of the Dark Carnival, which the duo claim is a spiritual force that has revealed a series of stories known as Joker's Cards. These stories each offer a specific lesson designed to change the "evil ways" of listeners before "the end consumes us all." Insane Clown Posse has a dedicated following, often referred to by the group as Juggalos and Juggalettes.

PLEASE REREAD THAT LAST BIT AGAIN!

I haven't seen it but it looks like stuff to do with murder knifing and horrific violence....

The guy was clearly completely immersed in satanic imagery and murder ..... it's a similar story with the murder of the goth girl recently....

Whether you like it or not, demons are real and they use human vessels to manifest their wickedness. If you're covered in satan's paraphenalia how you can be protected against him?

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 06:53 PM

The themes of Insane Clown Posse and other acts on Psychopathic Records center on the mythology of the Dark Carnival, which the duo claim is a spiritual force that has revealed a series of stories known as Joker's Cards. These stories each offer a specific lesson designed to change the "evil ways" of listeners before "the end consumes us all." Insane Clown Posse has a dedicated following, often referred to by the group as Juggalos and Juggalettes.

He had a video by this group on his website. You tell me that this is a coincidence.

The guy also tagged himself JoKAwiLd!

Holy shit that's Satan himself right there in this fucking story!

This is just what the masons mean when they talk about their 'peculiar system of morality'.

Jesus!

papiowhisperer

01-08-2008, 06:57 PM

Yes, one more step to 'increase security'.
And the Canadian MSM discusses more security on buses (with shills being interviewed...)
Click on this link: Video: should busses have tighter security?
http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/index.html#
"More security is a price passengers would be willing to pay" according to reporter.

w1nstonsm1th84

01-08-2008, 07:02 PM

And the Canadian MSM discusses more security on buses (with shills being interviewed...)

Of course, bus 'security'! :eek:

steevo

01-08-2008, 07:15 PM

And the Canadian MSM discusses more security on buses (with shills being interviewed...)
Click on this link: Video: should busses have tighter security?
http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/index.html#
"More security is a price passengers would be willing to pay" according to reporter.

This all looks so fake.
That news report confirms that this is all about tightening the security on buses in the same way that it is at the airport.
Maybe they are wanting to monitor where EVERYONE goes so that they can't easily get away and escape the system, I think that this has alot to do with it. It wouldnt surprise me if they issued a year "passport" for passengers using buses, and with a microchip inside so that it wont be necessary for everyone to go through the hassle of pre-booking trips when the possible new security is introduced. The same goes for trains.
This isnt about protecting passengers, it's about controlling them.

In the UK there has been CCTV cameras on standard buses for quite a few years now. Not sure about the coaches though.

papiowhisperer

01-08-2008, 07:19 PM

This all looks so fake.
That news report confirms that this is all about tightening the security on buses in the same way that it is at the airport.
Maybe they are wanting to monitor where EVERYONE goes so that they can't easily get away and escape the system, I think that this has alot to do with it. It wouldnt surprise me if they issued a year "passport" for passengers using buses, and with a microchip inside so that it wont be necessary for everyone to go through the hassle of pre-booking trips when the possible new security is introduced. The same goes for trains.
This isnt about protecting passengers, it's about controlling them.

In the UK there has been CCTV cameras on standard buses for quite a few years now. Not sure about the coaches though.
Restricting travel is key in tyranny.

steevo

01-08-2008, 07:28 PM

And in the end, if they introduce passports for buses, trains, (and planes) then it's gonna be a right pain in the arse. We would need to combine them into one cos it would be so annoying to have to carry them all around with us wherever we go. Hmmm maybe the implanted microchip would be best :rolleyes::cool:
Problem, Reaction, Solution.

daytimetwilight

01-08-2008, 07:29 PM

I think I'd rather take the chance of getting stabbed then be searched when I take a bus honestly.

papiowhisperer

01-08-2008, 07:42 PM

This event along with the camo clad assault weapon toting killer emerging from the woods to kill three swimmers (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080801/NEWS06/80801015/1008/news) smacks of mind control and MSM sensationalism. Now survivalists are being painted as kooks.

So now people that wear camo and advise others to prepare for the future are rambo knife wielding assault weapon toting decapitators to be afraid of and reported upon by the sheople before they commit similar heinous acts.

steevo

01-08-2008, 07:44 PM

lizzy

01-08-2008, 08:00 PM

I think you could be right there papiowhisperer :cool:

I agree and papiowhisper's other comment on travel resistriction and as you said........problem-re-action-solution.
No wonder they want everyone has knows the mind -control agenda off in ' la la land '....they never want it understood that tptb create these poor monsters.

cheetahgrace

01-08-2008, 08:43 PM

Well maybe... but I always remember talking to my mate about Whitechapel high street in London where we used to live.

I told him how great the street was and what a positive example of harmonious multi cultural living it was, what with the veg markets, the mosque and the big Bangladeshi community living side by side with old time east enders.

I expected my mate to say the same but was shocked that his experience of the same street was completely different. Whenever he went down there he saw gangs of protestors and ethnic tension simmering ready to burst at any moment while I saw nothing of the sort, just people going about their business in a fairly contented manner.

The thing is we see what we expect to see, as we know reality is lived inside our own minds but what is less well known is that the inner mind has a profound effect on the world outside. It's a two way process because after all the separation between inside and outside is only an illusion.

Great post!!

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 08:53 PM

Great post!!

Cheers mate!

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 08:57 PM

I'll repost this because I think this demonstrates what I mean.

I've investigated this business and there's something very strange going on....

Like in a sense he attracted his own death by the music and culture he was immersed in....

It may seem far out but there are just way too many coincidences..

He just HAPPENED to have a MySpace. That was lucky.

Check out the imagery on his blog:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=108390479

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/098fe9ea5c.gif (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/84eb0fa128.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

He also had this crazy ass shit video on his blog:

Insane Clown Posse - Halls of Illusions - Google Search

Insane Clown posse.

The themes of Insane Clown Posse and other acts on Psychopathic Records center on the mythology of the Dark Carnival, which the duo claim is a spiritual force that has revealed a series of stories known as Joker's Cards. These stories each offer a specific lesson designed to change the "evil ways" of listeners before "the end consumes us all." Insane Clown Posse has a dedicated following, often referred to by the group as Juggalos and Juggalettes.

Reread it carefully and consider of there could be some hidden connection between this talk of 'lessons' and so called 'evil ways' and 'the end consumes all'.
The guy also tagged himself JoKAwiLd! (Joker Wild)

What the hell is going on?

The world is stranger and nastier than we believe.....

The hairs on the back of my neck are standing up.

The guy was clearly completely immersed in satanic imagery and murder ..... it's a similar story with the murder of the goth girl recently....

tintin

01-08-2008, 08:58 PM

He had a video by this group on his website. You tell me that this is a coincidence.

The guy also tagged himself JoKAwiLd!

Holy shit that's Satan himself right there in this fucking story!

This is just what the masons mean when they talk about their 'peculiar system of morality'.

Jesus!

Have seen it.
Yeah, lot of folks still think it's all just
some fun, tattoos, playing little SATANIC games.

But it isn't. And that's EXACTLY the reason why it's promoted
everywhere on MTV and wherever.

There is far more to this case btw.
Will post about it tomorrow. (Not today, had a few beers....)

papiowhisperer

01-08-2008, 09:28 PM

I'll repost this because I think this demonstrates what I mean.

I've investigated this business and there's something very strange going on....

Like in a sense he attracted his own death by the music and culture he was immersed in....

It may seem far out but there are just way too many coincidences..

Check out the imagery on his blog:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=108390479

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/098fe9ea5c.gif (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/84eb0fa128.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

He also had this crazy ass shit video on his blog:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=+Insane+Clown+Posse+-+Halls+of+Illusions&btnG=Search&meta=

Insane Clown posse.

Reread it carefully and consider of there could be some hidden connection between this talk of 'lessons' and so called 'evil ways' and 'the end consumes all'.
The guy also tagged himself JoKAwiLd! (Joker Wild)

What the hell is going on?

The world is stranger and nastier than we believe.....

The hairs on the back of my neck are standing up.

The guy was clearly completely immersed in satanic imagery and murder ..... it's a similar story with the murder of the goth girl recently....
Thanks for reposting. Very weird. Just a thought. What if the victim was awake. Or, why was he asleep? It could have been spun that his background was somehow involved. Or maybe he was directly involved already. There's definitely a connection, there are no coincidences and often nefarious agendas.

The people behind the curtain are evil geniuses and the only people chipping away at the big picture relating to this incident are us in this thread.

sorath

01-08-2008, 09:32 PM

I'll repost this because I think this demonstrates what I mean.

I've investigated this business and there's something very strange going on....

Like in a sense he attracted his own death by the music and culture he was immersed in....

It may seem far out but there are just way too many coincidences..

Check out the imagery on his blog:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=108390479

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/098fe9ea5c.gif (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/84eb0fa128.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

He also had this crazy ass shit video on his blog:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=+Insane+Clown+Posse+-+Halls+of+Illusions&btnG=Search&meta=

Insane Clown posse.

Reread it carefully and consider of there could be some hidden connection between this talk of 'lessons' and so called 'evil ways' and 'the end consumes all'.
The guy also tagged himself JoKAwiLd! (Joker Wild)

What the hell is going on?

The world is stranger and nastier than we believe.....

The hairs on the back of my neck are standing up.

The guy was clearly completely immersed in satanic imagery and murder ..... it's a similar story with the murder of the goth girl recently....

Ohh no he liked music with satanic imagery. If you are actually suggesting that this has anything to do with his death in a spiritual/magical way then I think you have fallen down the rabbit hole and every root you grab breaks.

What if he was murdered by a satanist who took the sacrifice thing literally? What if a local mental patient couldn't resist that itching urge any longer? What if this guy had raped a girl and her brother took revenge? what if what if what if?

I think to automatically start saying oh its haarp or the US goverment is just a little fucking paranoid. 9/11 inside job = YES. Man stabbed and decapitated on greyhound bus in canada inside job = C'mon people.

I have always said myself that I don't believe in coincidences but fucking hell this is mental. To quote Chris Rock "Whatever happened to crazy?"

Going off on a tangent about it being luciferian evil because of some imagery on a myspace is a tad overboard. If you hadn't noticed the world we live in now is obsessed with lucifer and it is spreading everywhere and always will.

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 09:40 PM

The evil spiritual forces are real. They used the murderer as a vessel just as they use the group Insane Clown Posse.

It's all there and a pretty conclusive case I think.

Unless you are a coincidence theorist. lol.

sorath

01-08-2008, 09:41 PM

Are you a black magician? Have you ever been immersed in the luciferian world? Have you ever listened to any ICP?

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 09:46 PM

Have you ever been immersed in the luciferian world?

Yes.

Fortunately not for very long... otherwise I expect I wouldn't have managed to get myself out again.

And yes unfortunately I used to do what you might call 'black magic'.

I hardly knew what I was doing at the time and most of it was just to get back at people who had got at me... 'revenge' stuff.

You pay for it in the end.... and I expect most people who get involved go under completely and never get out.

It's all very sad.

cheetahgrace

01-08-2008, 09:47 PM

sorath

01-08-2008, 09:49 PM

Yes.

Fortunately not for very long... otherwise I expect I wouldn't have managed to get myself out again.

And yes unfortunately I used to do what you might call 'black magic'.

Fuck you better watch your back, maybe it could happen to you?

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 09:53 PM

Fuck you better watch your back, maybe it could happen to you?

No, I've been through the judgement or the fire or whatever idiom you want to use..

It sure was a surprise to me I can tell you.

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 09:55 PM

Edelwiess pirate... I think you are on to something BIG TIME.

We create our reality.... So if we want a world that is a better place we have to focus on that... rather than REPEATING negative imagery and messages....!!!

I think it's important to understand how the world really works behind the scenes so we can be prepared and protect ourselves.

And also to be aware that there are indeed spiritual powers beyond this world, some good some bad.

sorath

01-08-2008, 09:56 PM

Would you care to elaborate?

steevo

01-08-2008, 10:00 PM

I think it's important to understand how the world really works behind the scenes so we can be prepared and protect ourselves.

And also to be aware that there are indeed spiritual powers beyond this world, some good some bad.

Sounds like bible class.

Edit : Soz but it pisses me off all this bible shit. It's just religion. Divide and rule. Ok carry on but can you please explain if this is diffferent form ALL THE OTHER RELIGIONS that divide us and brainwash people into thinking that they are different to everyone else. Having said that it DOES seem that the Illuminati may be satanists (or something similar) so in THAT context please carry on with the discussion and I will listen to see if it makes any sense to me, and that it ISNT just some other BS religion.

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 10:05 PM

Sounds like bible class.

Why? Because I mention spirituality?

You have a very narrow view of existence.

You think spirituality is limited to religion?

Think again. It's real.

There are spiritual powers out there that see us are their playthings in a sick game.

They tempt us with negative violent imagery and all sorts of corruption and then when we succumb to that corruption they punish us mercilessly.

So that's why they poison our fast food and mainstream media because they think we are fools for eating their food and using their media in the first place.

It's just the way it is. it's the Illuminati in league with discarnate beings. Whether these beings were once human or whether they are ET's I do not know. Could be both.

steevo

01-08-2008, 10:08 PM

Why? Because I mention spirituality?

You have a very narrow view of existence.

You think spirituality is limited to religion?

Think again. It's real.

No not because of spirituality but because you mention satan and lucifer and shit like that. Please read my edit of my previous post btw.

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 10:57 PM

No not because of spirituality but because you mention satan and lucifer and shit like that. Please read my edit of my previous post btw.

Hmmm noone mentioned the Bible, except you Steevo.
Noone mentioned religion either.

I'm puzzled. Why is there a problem here?

Edit : Soz but it pisses me off all this bible shit. It's just religion. Divide and rule. Ok carry on but can you please explain if this is diffferent form ALL THE OTHER RELIGIONS that divide us and brainwash people into thinking that they are different to everyone else. Having said that it DOES seem that the Illuminati may be satanists (or something similar) so in THAT context please carry on with the discussion and I will listen to see if it makes any sense to me, and that it ISNT just some other BS religion.

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 10:58 PM

It pisses you off that there is an evil force in the world. It pisses me off too.

Icke calls them Reptilians. I'm not sure, I think they might be corrupt human souls... but they must have a leader.

I called him Satan,
You can call him Jack if it makes you happy.

mcthompson2x

01-08-2008, 10:59 PM

No not because of spirituality but because you mention satan and lucifer and shit like that. Please read my edit of my previous post btw.

I believe Christianity is a great lie, but I still think that entities known as Lucifer and Satan might exist.

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 11:43 PM

I believe Christianity is a great lie, but I still think that entities known as Lucifer and Satan might exist.

It's weird alright. There's definitely something very evil out there controlling large groups of people from the lowest levels of society to the very highest.

That's why it's such a secret becuase it's inside their own heads.... they're constantly watched.

Question is what the hell do we do about it?

Well, I have some ideas, involving prayer and magic....

I pray that we'll be spared the worst excessess of this evil and I use magic to constantly visualise their destruction.

Kind of like as I mention in my sig.

I don't have any particular religious beliefs either, despite what the masons and their friends say to try to discredit me.

Although I do reckon Jesus was a great bloke. The greatest initiate the world has ever seen possibly. I think he was an Essene and his miracles were real (mind over matter) because I've seen some pretty weird things in my time and even been involved in minor miracles.

It's all in your head anyway, none of this is as real as it seems and if you can 'know' this then reality itself becomes putty in your hands and you can do your own miracles.

This is very hard to do in this world because our mass reality is so material and 'heavy'. I think this planet is suffering from a major spiritual crisis. I can hardly imagine it being worse anywhere else can you?

Do you think this is a 'black sheep' planet among all the others. Maybe it's because it's so far out from the centre of the galaxy and the source of all energy. Like we're stuck in the galactic badlands out here or something...

steevo

01-08-2008, 11:43 PM

I believe Christianity is a great lie, but I still think that entities known as Lucifer and Satan might exist.

edelweiss pirate, mcthompson2x

That might be the secret that the Illuminati hold. They may know something about "god" or whatever you want to call it. They may know the "true" story about our existence, who/what we really are. And it may or may not involve some entity called satan or lucifer.

But if the Illuminati know something then why do they do bad things like start wars and kill innocent people ? Why are they so obsessed with those other so called "gods" like Britannia. Does evil really exist ? Obviously I cant say for sure, but I would agree with what Ickey and others who have said, "Fear/hate is only the absense of love" (and it seems PLAUSIBLE, nothing of this nature can ever be PROVEN in my opinion), and the absense of love is just the in-ability to connect to the soul/oneness/god for whatever reason IMO. I dont think there is such a thing as an evil entity.

That's where I stand on this subject AT THE MOMENT .

mcthompson2x

01-08-2008, 11:52 PM

Another thing I'd like to say too is, nature is going to correct itself for the excesses of men. This is simple evolution. When your body has a cold, it usually fights it off. There is a possibility that nature will fail to fight off the infection of hatred and negativity we have inflicted upon the earth, but I doubt that the infection really stands a chance in the face of the infinite wisdom that we are being granted access to and of quantum evolution. I think we're a lot safer when we're on the right side of nature's correction - however it may come - than we would be if we were on the wrong side. Nature will select the best candidates to survive the disaster by merely increasing the influence of light in the world and seeing who takes notice and enters it. To be Awake is to be on the right side of nature and progression - the side that refuses to self-destruct in order to pursue materialistic desires and false securities.

edelweiss pirate

01-08-2008, 11:52 PM

edelweiss pirate, mcthompson2x

That might be the secret that the Illuminati hold. They may know something about "god" or whatever you want to call it. They may know the "true" story about our existence, who/what we really are. And it may or may not involve some entity called satan or lucifer.

But if the Illuminati know something then why do they do bad things like start wars and kill innocent people ? Why are they so obsessed with those other so called "gods" like Britannia. Does evil really exist ? Obviously I cant say for sure, but I would agree with what Ickey and others who have said, "Fear/hate is only the absense of love" (and it seems PLAUSIBLE, nothing of this nature can ever be PROVEN in my opinion), and the absense of love is just the in-ability to connect to the soul/oneness/god for whatever reason IMO. I dont think there is such a thing as an evil entity.

That's where I stand on this subject AT THE MOMENT .

I don't think the Illuminati know real Gods, instead they're probably evil entities they're involved with.

And you say there's no such thing as an evil entity? Well there are plenty of them on this planet... If the soul is eternal then what happens to them when they die. I believe they continue to exist AND be evil and meddle in our affairs by possessing people's bodies....

These aren't even my ideas... lots of people have been banging on about this stuff for thousands of years.

mcthompson2x

01-08-2008, 11:57 PM

I don't think the Illuminati know real Gods, instead they're probably evil entities they're involved with.

And you say there's no such thing as an evil entity? Well there are plenty of them on this planet... If the soul is eternal then what happens to them when they die. I believe they continue to exist AND be evil and meddle in our affairs by possessing people's bodies....

These aren't even my ideas... lots of people have been banging on about this stuff for thousands of years.

Exactly! Once I accepted the existence of the soul as absolute, I had to accept all of it's other implications. I don't see how it would be possible for this planet NOT to be full of negative, hateful entities. They tend to stick to these lower dimensions except for the really ancient ones, I think, and they try to absorb us into the darkness by vampiring away our energy and making us feed into negativity and hopelessness. It's not "New Age" - it's old wisdom that was laughed at and hidden away, often-times killed for while the Illuminati struggled to maintain control on a population of people who were suddenly able to wake up to reality. Any self-destructive thoughts are of demonic influence, as far as I'm concerned. The body does not naturally self-destruct, because that doesn't make any sense.

I think the Illuminati think that they can create new Gods that are just as powerful as the One "God" that is merely All of Creation. They think they can manipulate evolution until they find a way to ignore the laws of the universe, in particular karma. They really believe they can beat God and become new Gods, by worshiping entities that only know how to lie in order to survive. They know in their hearts, but refuse to believe it out of arrogance and egoism (a particularly negative symptom of third-dimensional life, which is no longer necessary for us to survive): the joke is on them.

edelweiss pirate

02-08-2008, 12:04 AM

steevo

02-08-2008, 12:17 AM

I don't think the Illuminati know real Gods, instead they're probably evil entities they're involved with.

And you say there's no such thing as an evil entity? Well there are plenty of them on this planet... If the soul is eternal then what happens to them when they die. I believe they continue to exist AND be evil and meddle in our affairs by possessing people's bodies....

These aren't even my ideas... lots of people have been banging on about this stuff for thousands of years.

I know a few people who used to be nice people and then they started drinking alot and because APPARENTLY totally disconnected from their soul and conciousness. They became what I can only describe as "evil" and have never recovered and I cannot see them ever recovering. How did the drink do this to them ? Did they get drunk and then the evil entity entered them when they were unaware ? Does alcohol somehow enable evil to take over ? You may think I'm joking here but I have seen some major changes in people since they drink and it has made them a TOTALLY different person and I would describe it as evil. They dont have conciounces (even when sober). How do you explain this. The way I would explain it is the alcohol makes their brains/body malfunction and a certain part of their brain must take over totally. They then are totally disconnected from their true self. Absense of love. If this doesnt sound very convincing, please be gentle cos I have just thought it up now :o But the point that I'm making is how did the drink APPARENTLY change this person from good to evil and did it involve an entity ? (Not all drinkers are effected this way).

I have noticed that bad people have not experienced love and I have noticed that alot of the time their kids turn out bad too and grow up the same way because the mother (and father) have not had the ability to show love due to never experiencing it themselves from THEIR parents. Alot of the kids learn from their parents mistakes and find love elsewhere and are able to live fulfilling lives. That is what I have witnessed.

steevo

02-08-2008, 12:29 AM

I know a few people who used to be nice people and then they started drinking alot and because APPARENTLY totally disconnected from their soul and conciousness. They became what I can only describe as "evil" and have never recovered and I cannot see them ever recovering. How did the drink do this to them ? Did they get drunk and then the evil entity entered them when they were unaware ? Does alcohol somehow enable evil to take over ? You may think I'm joking here but I have seen some major changes in people since they drink and it has made them a TOTALLY different person and I would describe it as evil. They dont have conciounces (even when sober). How do you explain this. The way I would explain it is the alcohol makes their brains/body malfunction and a certain part of their brain must take over totally. They then are totally disconnected from their true self. Absense of love. If this doesnt sound very convincing, please be gentle cos I have just thought it up now :o But the point that I'm making is how did the drink APPARENTLY change this person from good to evil and did it involve an entity ? (Not all drinkers are effected this way).

I have noticed that bad people have not experienced love and I have noticed that alot of the time their kids turn out bad too and grow up the same way because the mother (and father) have not had the ability to show love due to never experiencing it themselves from THEIR parents. Alot of the kids learn from their parents mistakes and find love elsewhere and are able to live fulfilling lives. That is what I have witnessed.

Ok I have had more time to think about this and I think that those drinkers were ALREADY fucked up from never experiencing love and the drink just made them crazy. And maybe a position of power has the same effect as the alcohol. They become sociopaths. And a sociopath who runs the world is obviously gonna be extremely dangerous.

Edit : I would say that Bush is a sociopath/psychopath. And I assume the Illuminati must be the same ?

mcthompson2x

02-08-2008, 12:31 AM

steevo

02-08-2008, 12:35 AM

Yeah, I think alcohol can enhance negative imprints on the psyche but I don't think that it necessarily has to.

It's like people in positions of power, the power doesnt have to corrupt if the person fully understands what power can do to your psyche and also if you are NOT sociopathic then you maybe can SEE where you are going wrong and put it right. But when someone hasnt ever known love (disconnected from the soul) they become very vunerable to whatever is suggested to them from outside influences., and a position of power to someone who has never known love (and is in some cases sociopathic) maybe the psyche gets a boost in the wrong direction, if you know what I mean.

steevo

02-08-2008, 12:41 AM

edelweiss pirate

02-08-2008, 12:53 AM

These people see emotions as a weakness. Sociopaths. They are disconnected from real emotion. They have become disconnected from their true selves and their soul/conscience.
Emotion comes from the soul IM MY OPINION.

That is sort of how I would explain evil. I dont see it as an entity.

It has been said that mankind actually has a soul an astral body and a physical body.

When one dies the astral body takes over and you maintain a human form but in spirit matter, I believe in this context there is possibility for the evil imprint to remain even in death.

The good guys however have their souls return to God... whatever that is..

The rest either stick it out in the astral realm or reincarnate...

The masons pretty much to a man believe in reincarnation, perhaps because their path has closed off the possibility of returning to God in this lifetime.

demeter_maru

02-08-2008, 03:20 AM

Ok I have had more time to think about this and I think that those drinkers were ALREADY fucked up from never experiencing love and the drink just made them crazy. And maybe a position of power has the same effect as the alcohol. They become sociopaths. And a sociopath who runs the world is obviously gonna be extremely dangerous.

Edit : I would say that Bush is a sociopath/psychopath. And I assume the Illuminati must be the same ?

Hi Steevo,
Just a note to add! I was talking with a 92 year old friend of mine a while ago and he was saying to me how he had thought long and hard about George Bush and that he decided that indeed Bush was probably a psychopath. This guy, my friend, was completely in his right mind, watched politics like a hawk and was savvy down to the last detail. He said in complete seriousness he'd never seen a political leader that scared him as much as George Bush since Adolt Hitler.
He quit the Republican party after Bush got re-elected, after an adult lifetime of being a party member, he was so disgusted.

empyblessing

02-08-2008, 03:35 AM

stop posting this shit

papiowhisperer

02-08-2008, 03:44 AM

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edelweiss pirate

02-08-2008, 12:51 PM

According to Charlie Manson psychopaths reflect the world around them....

So does Bush reflect the subconscious will of the American people?.... It's possible.

A dumbed down neurotic bellicose country giving birth to a dumbed down neurotic bellicose president...

Hitler was born of a country in pain and like a response to a cry for help Hitler came into being and became the saviour of the German people.... he also reflected the German people's own innate anti-semitism..... He invented nothing new, it was already there in the collective consciousness of the nation.

What do you reckon?

challand

02-08-2008, 01:07 PM

When in doubt, blame HAARP. :P

hewrote

02-08-2008, 01:35 PM

shenoma

02-08-2008, 01:40 PM

If it bleeds it leads. A saying in the news biz, but life isn't always so nice at times.

Right... so you live in a world where you're just waiting for this shit to happen to you too....

Enjoy that. Actually that's why they publish these twisted scare stories all the time. TO MAKE YOU AFRAID!

Anyway like I said, enjoy. Nurture your fears, nourish them with your own insecurity and watch a murderer grow out of the ground and wait for you just ahead on the next block.

Energy flows where attention goes... You'd do well to remember that Phil.

hewrote

02-08-2008, 01:43 PM

"Anticipating a great disaster for European Jewry in 1938, Vladimir Jabotinsky, leader of the right wing Zionist Revisionists, called for mass evacuation. In his view, however, the source of the coming catastrophe was East European antisemitism, NOT that of the Nazis."
- The Holocaust in History p.9, citing Joseph Schectman,
Fighter and Prophet: The Vladimir Jabotinsky Story,
The Last Years (New York, 1961) p.352

"Neither Goebbels, Himmler, Goering, Frank, Hess, the Strasser brothers,
nor even Adolf Eichmann seems to have joined the Nazis because of anti-semitism."
- The Holocaust in History, p.11

"After a careful reexamination of autobiographical statements made by 581 early Nazis and originally collected by the sociologist Theodore Abel,
Peter Merkl was struck by "how LITTLE THE NAZI MOVEMENT WAS MOTIVATED BY SHARED, CONSTRUCTIVE GOALS OF ANY KIND" - even antisemitic ones. 1/3 of the sample showed no evidence of prejudice, and nearly half seemed uninterested in Jews."
- ibid. p.12, citing Peter Merkl, Political Violence under the Swastika:
581 early Nazis (Princeton NJ. 1975) 498-527

"In Behemoth, a masterful study of the Third reich first published in 1944, the German emigre' Franz Neumann contended that "spontaneous, popular anti-semitism was still weak in Germany", and that "the German people are the least anti-semitic of all," Neumann noted the abscence of spontaneous attacks on Jews by the German public - in marked contrast to other countries- and suggested that this was all the more remarkable because of the INTENSITY OF THE VICOUS ANTI-JEWISH PROPAGANDA BEAMED at the German public during the Nazi years."
- ibid. p.87, citing Franz Neumann, Behemoth: The Structure and Practice of National Socialism, 1933-1944, rev. ed (Revised Edition? cool!!!) (New York 1944) 121