13 year olds making me wonder...

[seeker1111]

Yesterday I was on the skytrain and there were 4 girls, no older than 13-14, on the skytrain standing directly in front of me. It was a packed train and these girls offered some sort of amusement to say the least...

However the thing that struck me was that they were all carbon copies of each other! They were all wearing the same TNA brand outfits and purses. They were all gulping back Starbucks frappacinos (sp). They were all, except for one, rather chubby for their age. Two of them had professionally done blonde highlights in their hair. One had fake nails on, I'm not talking nail polish, no the acrylic kind...long too.

It was just sad to see that they were totally caught up in that world...at such a young age! I just wanted to take them out for dinner or something and show them a bit of an intelligent conversation, plant some seeds in their minds that the world is so much more than brand names, starbucks, fake nails etc. I think given the opportunity they would be open to new ideas, I just don't think that most of them have ever been exposed to a different perspective!

Anyone else noticing similar kinds of things with young girls these days or young people in general?

[darketernal]

Yes I've noticed the same things in teenagers I've met, as well as young adults. :(

[seeker1111]

Yes I've noticed the same things in teenagers I've met, as well as young adults. :(

It's frustrating! But all the more reason to take notice and care and to lead by example. We're all in this together, whether we see it or not. The more that realize this the better.

[astro zombie]

Oh yeah i notice this kind of thing all the time in this suburban fucking nightmare of a town i live in. I also hate it when i see little kids no older than 5 or 6 talking on cell phones, i just wanna scream at the parents ya know?:mad:

[cherubrock]

oh my god yeah haha i know exactly what you're talking about! everyone drinks coffee from starbucks here, and if you don't drink coffee, you drink tea and then brag about it to everyone who drinks coffee! i always think everyone is ridiculous for drinking so much caffeine, or alcohol for that matter.

kids are drinking at younger and younger ages these days. and war on drugs my ass! its not difficult for high schoolers to get their hands on heroine or cocaine here if you want it bad enough. i am lucky enough to have a fantastic group of friends and all we did was make each other laugh in high school while everyone else burned out or got ulcers.

just walking around my college campus gives me a 20/20 view of everyone doing what theyre told by mtv. the girls are hit the hardest by pop culture though by far, it makes me really said sometimes when i see people that dont think by themselves, you know? they never once just laid down on their bed and thought about how ridiculous theyre being?

all of the people im closest to are intelligent or at least open to new ideas, so its really a rude awakening sometimes to see just how low the bottom has gotten, and it makes me sad for them

i live in arizona by the way (and yes i've been to sedona!)

[gordonfreeman]

In this current generation, children still lose their innocence.

Its sad......

[willard]

I have this kid ask me "What is £3.75 plus 99p?"
"Well," I said "Assume 99p is the better part of a quid,"
and he got it, mostly
I know there are some bright kids out there but damn.

[deafbred]

I don't know any kids

[the itinerant shrubber]

Welcome to the future. They are the Bratz generation-perfect,mindless consumer drones. Feminism is dead and buried.
It's this generation that will be the first to be microchipped. They'll be begging for it.:rolleyes:

[montag]

I don't know any kids
Me neither, a kid is a baby goat...

[cheesedanish]

Now it's the Hannah Montana / High School Musical
generation growing up. Just think in my day it was Greese (ha ha)
I remember being so influenced by watching Greese - I wanted
to 'act' that way at school - don't laugh.

I think reality shows like the Hills also have a huge influence.
They portray teens / young adults as having glamorous high
paying jobs and are always partying at exclusive clubs and
wearing the latest high fashion - driving nice cars and always
sitting eating / socialings at fancy cafes. No one can attain
that standard. Anyhow its very materialistic, the tv has
brainwashed them into how to behave. Celebrities are their idols.

one more thing - bitchiness is promoted big time - so scary -
All these bitchy wannabees running around.

[energi]

I dress normally, but see it as my disguise that lets me fit in with the crowd:D... also, hard drugs are easier to obtain than alcohol and marijuana where I live:eek:

[manchurian_candidate]

Welcome to the future. They are the Bratz generation-perfect,mindless consumer drones. Feminism is dead and buried.
It's this generation that will be the first to be microchipped. They'll be begging for it.:rolleyes:

Thats exactly right! There is not a great deal anyone can do either - they dont listen to any sort of sense unless it spews from a celeb they admire's mouth. Let them get on with it I say if they are not willing to listen!!! :mad:

[energi]

Now it's the Hannah Montana / High School Musical
generation growing up. Just think in my day it was Greese (ha ha)
I remember being so influenced by watching Greese - I wanted
to 'act' that way at school - don't laugh.

I think reality shows like the Hills also have a huge influence.
They portray teens / young adults as having glamorous high
paying jobs and are always partying at exclusive clubs and
wearing the latest high fashion - driving nice cars and always
sitting eating / socialings at fancy cafes. No one can attain
that standard. Anyhow its very materialistic, the tv has
brainwashed them into how to behave. Celebrities are their idols.

one more thing - bitchiness is promoted big time - so scary -
All these bitchy wannabees running around.

the BRATZ dolls - that is the most fucking scary thing I've ever seen. It screams mind control everywhere, it's barbie x100 and whored up out on the streets LOL.

[the itinerant shrubber]

And for the slightly older teen there is the delightful TV show "Skins". Did anyone here have an adolescence like the one portrayed in that show? I certainly didnt;more the pity. Excellent piece of conditioning for the youngsters though isnt it.

[deafbred]

I'm going to say it again, I love(not really) how...the Child Protective Services, takes away kids for simple reasons and calls it depravity yet there is SO MUCH depravity on the BOOB TUBE!

[astro zombie]

I'm sure alot of you can relate to this, if you wanna a front-row ticket to all of this stuff just go to your local mall. *shudders*

It's so weird everytime i go there, especially if i happen to be stoned lol. I just wanna scream at the top of my lungs "do you people know your being fucking marketed to, to make the rich man richer!!":mad:
I'm not saying i'm "better" than any of these people, but imo what a waste of a life, shuffling around buying shit you don't fucking need and then going to the food court to stuff your face with more food...it's just so weird to me that this is actaully American 'culture.'
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with buying nice clothes to look nice or buying nice things for yourself every now and then, but ffs there is more to life than just that.

[the itinerant shrubber]

I'm sure alot of you can relate to this, if you wanna a front-row ticket to all of this stuff just go to your local mall. *shudders*

It's so weird everytime i go there, especially if i happen to be stoned lol. I just wanna scream at the top of my lungs "do you people know your being fucking marketed to, to make the rich man richer!!":mad:
I'm not saying i'm "better" than any of these people, but imo what a waste of a life, shuffling around buying shit you don't fucking need and then going to the food court to stuff your face with more food...it's just so weird to me that this is actaully American 'culture.'
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with buying nice clothes to look nice or buying nice things for yourself every now and then, but ffs there is more to life than just that.

LOL Part of my awakening years ago consisted of going round shopping malls stoned. Cannabis helps you see how things really are and shopping malls and the aura of the people in them are ugly in every sense of the word.

[astro zombie]

haha cool i knew i couldn't be the only one!:D

[knockoutgorilla]

I think its really sad when you see toddlers and babies with there ears pierced and jewelery on.

I mean don't there mothers no what there doing to them,taking away there child hood already.

Dressing them up as little fashion accessories,it makes me sick:mad:

[reptilianshapeshifter]

I have this kid ask me "What is £3.75 plus 99p?"
"Well," I said "Assume 99p is the better part of a quid,"
and he got it, mostly
I know there are some bright kids out there but damn.

oh come on, don't hold out on the answer !! :D

[neutron flux]

When the celebrities have finished turning their brains to jelly they turn to "reality" television and their peers - as shown by Charlie Brooker reviewing the awful "My Super Sweet 16":

Charlie Brooker on My Sweet 16 - YouTube

[polveirbecker]

Been at a few house parties (I knew the parents - that’s why I was invited) and have seen two girls kissing and two boys (both aged 13/14) kissing on separate occasions. Just four year ago I would of never saw that at any party with teens my age. Something very sinister is influencing them all!

[fantana]

I hear what you are saying. In the small town I was living in, Oswestry, everybody knows each other. And by that I mean everybody knows someone who has done the nasty with someone else. It's very close knit, you have 25ish year olds hanging around with drunken girls around the ages of 15, and of course, taking advantage, if you know what i mean (fucking peedos).

I don’t know why, but I missed out on all of that when I was growing up. I wasn’t even aware of it recently. I thought you were supposed to stay in doors til you got big, away from the baddies. I been in the gym busting my ass and learning how to box just in case I need to go to the 24/7 supermarket late at night and I run into those baddies. Turns out everyone else been going out getting drunk since they were twelve. My mum never told me about that.

But I believed for a long time I was never gonna find a nice girl. Thought there weren’t gonna be any! I really did. In small towns like I said, it was hard. Anyway, luckily for me, I did find a nice girl. I was a bit hesitant at first to go on a date her but I decided to in the end, after all, she came highly recommended by the rest of the town.

[astral_girl]

When the celebrities have finished turning their brains to jelly they turn to "reality" television and their peers - as shown by Charlie Brooker reviewing the awful "My Super Sweet 16":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7mwTK564o

crikey........words fail me......:(

[empyblessing]

the females are targeted more then the males. 80% of advertising is directed towards females. the urge to fit in is strong among young people but more so among young women. many of the psychological traits of females which make them caring, loving, and nurturing toward their family is preyed upon by the advertisers.

[lenejento]

And girls like these are always policing each other very strictly, fall abit out of line with independant thought and you are on thin ice...

[who elsie]

Yesterday I was on the skytrain and there were 4 girls, no older than 13-14, on the skytrain standing directly in front of me. It was a packed train and these girls offered some sort of amusement to say the least...

However the thing that struck me was that they were all carbon copies of each other! They were all wearing the same TNA brand outfits and purses. They were all gulping back Starbucks frappacinos (sp). They were all, except for one, rather chubby for their age. Two of them had professionally done blonde highlights in their hair. One had fake nails on, I'm not talking nail polish, no the acrylic kind...long too.

It was just sad to see that they were totally caught up in that world...at such a young age! I just wanted to take them out for dinner or something and show them a bit of an intelligent conversation, plant some seeds in their minds that the world is so much more than brand names, starbucks, fake nails etc. I think given the opportunity they would be open to new ideas, I just don't think that most of them have ever been exposed to a different perspective!

Anyone else noticing similar kinds of things with young girls these days or young people in general?

Kids have always copied what each other do. It's part of group bonding. The problem is, it's become much more product-led these days, by target-marketing from the global companies.

But it's not just girls and it's not just kids. Everywhere I look I see clones. If you are a builder, you are a clone of another builder, if you are an estate agent you are a clone of another estate agent, if you are a biker, you are a clone of another biker, if you are a goth you are a clone of another goth and so on and so on. I'm generalising I know, but most people only seem to feel secure if they belong to a wider group of some kind. It just shows how much fear there is in our society that people feel they have to copy others to feel as if they fit in.

[seeker1111]

When the celebrities have finished turning their brains to jelly they turn to "reality" television and their peers - as shown by Charlie Brooker reviewing the awful "My Super Sweet 16":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7mwTK564o

:eek: they have a 'reality' show over here called 'party mamma's' and it's all about rich mothers planning their spoiled 16 year old girls parties. It's so ridiculous and sad how spoiled they are just like in this video...and the mothers cater to their every wish! *sigh*

[mountain]

Yes I remember it was much worse when I was a teenager... everyone was obsessed with wearing a certain brand of shoes and certain haircuts. I actually notice more individuality among young people now which is a good thing.

There are many street fashion sites where photographers capture people from all over the world, expressing their unique dress often purchased from vintage and thrift shops. I admire that young people are becoming less "trendy".:)
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1716/japanesestreetfashionht3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1716/japanesestreetfashionht3.710590b4e8.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=528&i=japanesestreetfashionht3.jpg)

[emerald]

Shitty generation...

[allure]

I just wanted to take them out for dinner or something and show them a bit of an intelligent conversation
Thats what Gary Glitter said too! :D

But seriously thats just young people for you. Young and impressionable.

Wishing they were older and looking the opposite in their attempts. Its nothing new, they're too young to know better and they'll grow out of it.

I had started smoking at 13, :eek: had distanced myself from the popular 'rave' fan fair but still tried to fit in with the long haired grunge rock clique I decided to befriend. Yet I grew up to be a free thinking intelligent free spirit.

All part of the endless search for self. At 13 any glimmer of free thinking intelligence is just that, a glimmer.

[pduffy4]

Welcome to the future. They are the Bratz generation-perfect,mindless consumer drones. Feminism is dead and buried.
It's this generation that will be the first to be microchipped. They'll be begging for it.:rolleyes:

I agree. Lots of people whether kids or adults just don't seem to have a mind of their own. I had a mind of my own at school as I do now and was never part of the in crowd or had many friends and I didn't give a damn. I did my own thing. These kids don't want to be different.

The thing that makes me laugh about Goths is they dress that way to be different from anyone else but they look the same as each other so they are still conforming to a dress code.

[seeker1111]

Thats what Gary Glitter said too! :D

But seriously thats just young people for you. Young and impressionable.

Wishing they were older and looking the opposite in their attempts. Its nothing new, they're too young to know better and they'll grow out of it.

I had started smoking at 13, :eek: had distanced myself from the popular 'rave' fan fair but still tried to fit in with the long haired grunge rock clique I decided to befriend. Yet I grew up to be a free thinking intelligent free spirit.

All part of the endless search for self. At 13 any glimmer of free thinking intelligence is just that, a glimmer.

yeah...that's the thing...

i just wish they were being 'impressioned' and influenced with more intelligent useful information

[emanuel]

yeah...that's the thing...

i just wish they were being 'impressioned' and influenced with more intelligent useful information

;)
They are being impressioned and influenced with intelligent information all the time. The growing, leaning mind can tell the difference between good and bad lifestyle choices. You would find that a lot of kids don't really wanna present themselves the way they do, but, they are learning and know no better. I could look back at my childhood and say why oh why did I do that or why did I hang around with those guys or why did I wear those clothes! But when you are young you are developing your social skills so you latch onto the group that you think best suits your personality. Then you grow up and think 'I didn't need to do that stuff'! But you did, because it is what made you 'you'! Learn through experience, both positive and negative. People will see the big picture when their path takes them there. Some are slow, some are quick but they will get there eventually.

And the above is the way it has always been between the new generation and the old. Remember the old saying, spouted by your peers, "when I was a child we didn't have these things you have today"! :cool:

[seeker1111]

;)
They are being impressioned and influenced with intelligent information all the time. The growing, leaning mind can tell the difference between good and bad lifestyle choices. You would find that a lot of kids don't really wanna present themselves the way they do, but, they are learning and know no better. I could look back at my childhood and say why oh why did I do that or why did I hang around with those guys or why did I wear those clothes! But when you are young you are developing your social skills so you latch onto the group that you think best suits your personality. Then you grow up and think 'I didn't need to do that stuff'! But you did, because it is what made you 'you'! Learn through experience, both positive and negative. People will see the big picture when their path takes them there. Some are slow, some are quick but they will get there eventually.

And the above is the way it has always been between the new generation and the old. Remember the old saying, spouted by your peers, "when I was a child we didn't have these things you have today"! :cool:

good perspective emanuel. :) thanks for your thoughts!

[romas]

I think its really sad when you see toddlers and babies with there ears pierced and jewelery on.

I mean don't there mothers no what there doing to them,taking away there child hood already.

Dressing them up as little fashion accessories,it makes me sick:mad:



Mhm I remember I saw a girl maybe 7-9 dressed up in mini-skirt in the sreet couple days ago :eek:

[doyouknowyourdead]

Yes I remember it was much worse when I was a teenager... everyone was obsessed with wearing a certain brand of shoes and certain haircuts. I actually notice more individuality among young people now which is a good thing.

There are many street fashion sites where photographers capture people from all over the world, expressing their unique dress often purchased from vintage and thrift shops. I admire that young people are becoming less "trendy".:)
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1716/japanesestreetfashionht3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1716/japanesestreetfashionht3.710590b4e8.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=528&i=japanesestreetfashionht3.jpg)

I worked for one of these companies that took pictures of people in thrift/street fashion. It is just another marketing device, as are the companies that publish these books and magazines. And it is emulated very much by late teens and twenty somethings in big cities that are "hipsters." In fact, lots of the young children striving to be cool grow up into the sort of person that wears street fashion...for extra attention, to look "wonderful" on their myspace pages, and to get published, of course. Everyone wants to be famous!

[seeker1111]

Mhm I remember I saw a girl maybe 7-9 dressed up in mini-skirt in the sreet couple days ago :eek:

you know those t-shirts with muscles on the outside for guys? or bikini bodies for women?

I saw a wrack of baby clothes with bikini body on the front...made me go :eek: i took a picture of it i'll upload it later...

[niftymage]

I blame Thatcher, she engineered this generation of consumers. Egotisticle self obsessed and on the whole puerile. Still, the are absolutley bombarded by the media. Ive lived with these asbo kings and queens and work with them, god save us all :eek:

[seeker1111]

I blame Thatcher, she engineered this generation of consumers. Egotisticle self obsessed and on the whole puerile. Still, the are absolutley bombarded by the media. Ive lived with these asbo kings and queens and work with them, god save us all :eek:

completely unrelated but niftymage...your avatar looks like a talbuk :D

like my mount in WoW...where I am also a nifty~mage :p

[empyblessing]

I worked for one of these companies that took pictures of people in thrift/street fashion. It is just another marketing device, as are the companies that publish these books and magazines. And it is emulated very much by late teens and twenty somethings in big cities that are "hipsters." In fact, lots of the young children striving to be cool grow up into the sort of person that wears street fashion...for extra attention, to look "wonderful" on their myspace pages, and to get published, of course. Everyone wants to be famous!

I have an unusual fear. I am afraid of becoming famous. Cameras scare me. I don't like having my photo taken. I wouldn't like strange people talking to me like they knew me. It's all very scary.

[emanuel]

good perspective emanuel. :) thanks for your thoughts!

You know I'm good for it! ;)

[kashmirz]

I was comming home from work yesterday on the train, and these three girls sit down infront of me, they were about 13 - 14 i say, and were discussing how they hoped to "hook up" with some guys outside the local pub at penrith .... and the way they were talking, were not just talking some hand holding here.

Now, im all one for girls having fun, hell go as nuts as you want i think its a extremley entertaining pass time, but seriously at least wait until your fucking 16! for crying out loud.

[loderlive]

I was comming home from work yesterday on the train, and these three girls sit down infront of me, they were about 13 - 14 i say, and were discussing how they hoped to "hook up" with some guys outside the local pub at penrith .... and the way they were talking, were not just talking some hand holding here.

Now, im all one for girls having fun, hell go as nuts as you want i think its a extremley entertaining pass time, but seriously at least wait until your fucking 16! for crying out loud.

I dont think sex has to be a bad thing and is an inevitability as girls mature but certainly it has to be within the right context with respect and not to the sexual gratification of hooking up with guys outside the local pub.

[seeker1111]

I dont think sex has to be a bad thing and is an inevitability as girls mature but certainly it has to be within the right context with respect and not to the sexual gratification of hooking up with guys outside the local pub.

yeah...i agree. i think you should be mature enough to deal with all of the diffferent aspects of sex before you engage, emotions, stds, pregnancies...for some this comes early, for others not so early. the unfortunate thing is that sex (in this case) has become a very flippant thing, and has lost some of the beautiful meaning that goes along with it. so therefore cannot be fully appreciated through the experience and may even result in sad disappointment and future problems

[darketernal]

completely unrelated but niftymage...your avatar looks like a talbuk :D

like my mount in WoW...where I am also a nifty~mage :p

Gross... you ground Mag'har exalted.

[dr_strangelove]

Yesterday I was on the skytrain and there were 4 girls, no older than 13-14, on the skytrain standing directly in front of me. It was a packed train and these girls offered some sort of amusement to say the least...

However the thing that struck me was that they were all carbon copies of each other! They were all wearing the same TNA brand outfits and purses. They were all gulping back Starbucks frappacinos (sp). They were all, except for one, rather chubby for their age. Two of them had professionally done blonde highlights in their hair. One had fake nails on, I'm not talking nail polish, no the acrylic kind...long too.

It was just sad to see that they were totally caught up in that world...at such a young age! I just wanted to take them out for dinner or something and show them a bit of an intelligent conversation, plant some seeds in their minds that the world is so much more than brand names, starbucks, fake nails etc. I think given the opportunity they would be open to new ideas, I just don't think that most of them have ever been exposed to a different perspective!

Anyone else noticing similar kinds of things with young girls these days or young people in general?

this been going on decades ! what is skytrain ?

[xxdinoxkarenxx]

Yesterday I was on the skytrain and there were 4 girls, no older than 13-14, on the skytrain standing directly in front of me. It was a packed train and these girls offered some sort of amusement to say the least...

However the thing that struck me was that they were all carbon copies of each other! They were all wearing the same TNA brand outfits and purses. They were all gulping back Starbucks frappacinos (sp). They were all, except for one, rather chubby for their age. Two of them had professionally done blonde highlights in their hair. One had fake nails on, I'm not talking nail polish, no the acrylic kind...long too.

It was just sad to see that they were totally caught up in that world...at such a young age! I just wanted to take them out for dinner or something and show them a bit of an intelligent conversation, plant some seeds in their minds that the world is so much more than brand names, starbucks, fake nails etc. I think given the opportunity they would be open to new ideas, I just don't think that most of them have ever been exposed to a different perspective!

Anyone else noticing similar kinds of things with young girls these days or young people in general?

well im 13 and when i talk to my friends that are 14 + and i talk to them about conspiresys and they say im weird , but some acually think about it and agree ,so i think it depends the way you were brought up like " anything is possible " vs " do __ in life " , idk thats my opion

[seeker1111]

Gross... you ground Mag'har exalted.

i sure did...i never want to see another ogre EVER :mad:

[seeker1111]

this been going on decades ! what is skytrain ?

a train in the sky :D we're very sophisticated over here in canada

[seeker1111]

Gross... you ground Mag'har exalted.

got it at lvl 68. :D i stopped shortly after i hit 70 though...

might go back its fun sometimes :o

[darketernal]

i sure did...i never want to see another ogre EVER :mad:

Ogre... ogre...ogre...ogre... Oh warbeads dropped!...ogre...ogre...ogre...

[carlg1212]

Yesterday I was on the skytrain and there were 4 girls, no older than 13-14, on the skytrain standing directly in front of me. It was a packed train and these girls offered some sort of amusement to say the least...

However the thing that struck me was that they were all carbon copies of each other! They were all wearing the same TNA brand outfits and purses. They were all gulping back Starbucks frappacinos (sp). They were all, except for one, rather chubby for their age. Two of them had professionally done blonde highlights in their hair. One had fake nails on, I'm not talking nail polish, no the acrylic kind...long too.

It was just sad to see that they were totally caught up in that world...at such a young age! I just wanted to take them out for dinner or something and show them a bit of an intelligent conversation, plant some seeds in their minds that the world is so much more than brand names, starbucks, fake nails etc. I think given the opportunity they would be open to new ideas, I just don't think that most of them have ever been exposed to a different perspective!

Anyone else noticing similar kinds of things with young girls these days or young people in general?

That's their parents job...but because the parents aren't doing it, the gubmint will...PRS.

[thirdwave]

Yesterday I was on the skytrain and there were 4 girls, no older than 13-14, on the skytrain standing directly in front of me. It was a packed train and these girls offered some sort of amusement to say the least...

However the thing that struck me was that they were all carbon copies of each other! They were all wearing the same TNA brand outfits and purses. They were all gulping back Starbucks frappacinos (sp). They were all, except for one, rather chubby for their age. Two of them had professionally done blonde highlights in their hair. One had fake nails on, I'm not talking nail polish, no the acrylic kind...long too.

It was just sad to see that they were totally caught up in that world...at such a young age! I just wanted to take them out for dinner or something and show them a bit of an intelligent conversation, plant some seeds in their minds that the world is so much more than brand names, starbucks, fake nails etc. I think given the opportunity they would be open to new ideas, I just don't think that most of them have ever been exposed to a different perspective!

Anyone else noticing similar kinds of things with young girls these days or young people in general?



Totaly, And I also see extreme boredom and longing for inspiration from these young people...

Even the odd mouthy kid on the street is just looking for something to sink there teeth into that's real...

I go out for a run often as it clears my head and makes me feel more focused... and sometimes i will run past the odd group of kids on a bench or on the grass, smoking and looking board... they look over as I run and I can tell they want to say something and sometimes a little comment comes out ...a little piss take or something, just looking for reaction..

I can tell its because to them seeing somone go for a run is something they would not do... (why? ..what's the point?) ..because I have a focus and a point to it it kind of makes them curious...

I often think If I stopped and had a chat with them I could give them a few things to ponder over..

the press would have people think that all kids are trash, but most are just desperately lost...

[thirdwave]

That's their parents job...but because the parents aren't doing it, the gubmint will...PRS.

this is another thing.. the times I have got into a convo with a young person most of the time its just like talking to their parents rather than them...

a sign in its self that people often don't thing for them selves... just from the most secure source.

[magicmerlin]

Yes - I hate to say it but I am increasingly feeling that this world really does need cleansing. I do not mean that in a horrible, aggressive way, but while the world is 'apparently' waking up, sometimes I wonder, is it really?

Getting back to you example of the teenage girls, what makes me laugh is the fact that these people care about their appearance enough to get their nails done, have highlights, wear nice clothes etc - but they don't care about their bodies and weight issues (just sums up the fac that they hide behind the truth and try and find a materialistic answer to everything)

[sorath]

Welcome to the future. They are the Bratz generation-perfect,mindless consumer drones. Feminism is dead and buried.
It's this generation that will be the first to be microchipped. They'll be begging for it.:rolleyes:


I agree.

I see the original posters point but to be perfectly honest you are likely to get abuse or laughed at if you try and plant seeds in their fragile little heads. Fuck em and let the willfully ignorant find out for themselves.

When I was a young boy I always knew something was wrong with the world and continued to question almost everything. The majority of the clone kids today don't even think for themselves anymore so let them have their little moron gangs soon to be microchipped.

[antiem]

As a mom I can say that indeed it starts with the parents but very soon is no longer in their hands. Parents have the chance to build a strong personality during the first, maybe 4 years, and then have to pray that it all ends well. The government is then taking over, legally.
Also nutrition is a big point; I was shocked when I started to look as deep as possible into the baby food lobby! The heaviest thing about this are the relatives who cannot understand, why this baby (!) dosen't get any salt or sugar. Baby-bread (by Nestlé, of course) must be obviously for babies, so why not give it to them? It's not to blame exclusively on the parents, it's the pressure of society. Sometimes, parents aren't strong enough, which is understandable (not excuseable!). So, the more parents concede, the more the children will. Fortunately, it's an every-second-chance to make it better and no one-and-forever-decision.
Another thing is the problem of compensation; if the child was never allowed to watch TV, it for sure will watch as much as possible when it gets older. The same with sugar-stuff. If you as a parent have found a healthy and honest way you cannot say until the child has become an adult.
In any case it is the most impressive way to exemplify the healthy and self-responsible way through your own life. Even though the teens don't point at you and say "I wanna be just like her!" you may have made an impression.

[celtic isis]

Yesterday I was on the skytrain and there were 4 girls, no older than 13-14, on the skytrain standing directly in front of me. It was a packed train and these girls offered some sort of amusement to say the least...

However the thing that struck me was that they were all carbon copies of each other! They were all wearing the same TNA brand outfits and purses. They were all gulping back Starbucks frappacinos (sp). They were all, except for one, rather chubby for their age. Two of them had professionally done blonde highlights in their hair. One had fake nails on, I'm not talking nail polish, no the acrylic kind...long too.

It was just sad to see that they were totally caught up in that world...at such a young age! I just wanted to take them out for dinner or something and show them a bit of an intelligent conversation, plant some seeds in their minds that the world is so much more than brand names, starbucks, fake nails etc. I think given the opportunity they would be open to new ideas, I just don't think that most of them have ever been exposed to a different perspective!

Anyone else noticing similar kinds of things with young girls these days or young people in general?

they're all like this my dear :) It comes from generations of inherited fitting into the box, into the pen behaviour, handed down by the TV and parents...and the shite social culture in general.

I guess we were like that too when we were kids, well almost. I know i always was seperated somehow, always being a rebel and going against the mould...but i did all the copying too to try and fit in. I was normal sometimes! But there was always this awareness of "something else"...know what i mean?

Sad thing is these kids, couldn't give 2 shits about the world. I know they're too young and innocent, even if it's just in a inexperienced kind of way, and not sweet innocence (not doubt they've already given their first blow jobs lol). My cousin who's 18 annoys me quite a bit, just cause she's got no idea. A sweet girl, i guess she'll go on her own path, but wow, all they do is get drunk. What a waste. Life is one big false "party"...i really have no time for people who don't see the bigger picture anymore. We have responsibilities as humans to not be morons and to actually bother to think. Our futures depend on it.

Some of us are different, and always have been. We're on a higher vibration than the rest, our eyes have always been open, always questioning, always caring, always searching...some folk are born to follow dumbly.

Really, it's true.

[celtic isis]

well im 13 and when i talk to my friends that are 14 + and i talk to them about conspiresys and they say im weird , but some acually think about it and agree ,so i think it depends the way you were brought up like " anything is possible " vs " do __ in life " , idk thats my opion

ah bless :) well you're the exception to the rule, thankfully there are always some, otherwise we'd have been chipped long long ago :)

what thirdwave said too, i agree, the kids are lost, they have only known what tv has shown them...and they have no where to go in society to like aid them on their way to adulthood. They only see the drink culture, stiff upper lip, solve your sorrow in a pint...no guidance, unless they are lucky enough to have open minded spiritually aware parents, the kids have nowhere to go to hang out but the streets...they're bored and they need thrills...and they only have damaging thrills available to them...sex n drugs...leading to unhealthy unrealistic aspirations for realtionships later on...disappointment...feeling unworthy...materialism turning them into consumer drones as was said before by sorath...food pumped full of damaging chemical concoctions...ritalin and other drugs used to solve behavioural patterns knowingly caused by said chemical concoctions...no esoteric truths or life tools to build them up into healthy functioning on all cylinders human beings with infinite potential...dumb parents (no offence) still swallowing the media/scientific/health authority fantasy of what not to do/what to do for your kids...and then there's all this focus on appearance and celebs to live up too...

In the end they top themselves cause this big bad world is just too much to handle.

gosh i would hate to be a teen again!

[darketernal]

they're all like this my dear :) It comes from generations of inherited fitting into the box, into the pen behaviour, handed down by the TV and parents...and the shite social culture in general.

I guess we were like that too when we were kids, well almost. I know i always was seperated somehow, always being a rebel and going against the mould...but i did all the copying too to try and fit in. I was normal sometimes! But there was always this awareness of "something else"...know what i mean?

Sad thing is these kids, couldn't give 2 shits about the world. I know they're too young and innocent, even if it's just in a inexperienced kind of way, and not sweet innocence (not doubt they've already given their first blow jobs lol). My cousin who's 18 annoys me quite a bit, just cause she's got no idea. A sweet girl, i guess she'll go on her own path, but wow, all they do is get drunk. What a waste. Life is one big false "party"...i really have no time for people who don't see the bigger picture anymore. We have responsibilities as humans to not be morons and to actually bother to think. Our futures depend on it.

Some of us are different, and always have been. We're on a higher vibration than the rest, our eyes have always been open, always questioning, always caring, always searching...some folk are born to follow dumbly.

Really, it's true.

That problem is of course, that those mindless masses of robotic people still possess the ability to shape the consensus reality around them, and you and I are still limited considerably by their frequincy.

[seeker1111]

Ogre... ogre...ogre...ogre... Oh warbeads dropped!...ogre...ogre...ogre...

dont remind me :mad: lol

ogre ogre ogre *ganked by 2 dumb rogues in tier 6* ogre ogre warbeads ogre ogre *stolen ogre* ogre ogre ogre warbeads ogre ogre ogre ogre ogre

[loderlive]

That problem is of course, that those mindless masses of robotic people still possess the ability to shape the consensus reality around them, and you and I are still limited considerably by their frequincy.

How am I limited by this frequency if I'm not tuned in?

[carlg1212]

this is another thing.. the times I have got into a convo with a young person most of the time its just like talking to their parents rather than them...

a sign in its self that people often don't thing for them selves... just from the most secure source.

Like Tyler Durden said, "We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need."

Parents wiping their kids' arses through childhood, and then cleaning their rooms, fixing dinner, etc., so that kids are dependent on their parents until they are 30 years old. Independence is shunned. The NWO's plan is working perfectly, because we do it to ourselves.

[phaid]

Gotta give kids a chance - when I think back to the kind of mental state I was in at 13-14 I feel ill, and now I'm sort of.....err, different.http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0062.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

[romas]

they're all like this my dear :) It comes from generations of inherited fitting into the box, into the pen behaviour, handed down by the TV and parents...and the shite social culture in general.

I guess we were like that too when we were kids, well almost. I know i always was seperated somehow, always being a rebel and going against the mould...but i did all the copying too to try and fit in. I was normal sometimes! But there was always this awareness of "something else"...know what i mean?

Sad thing is these kids, couldn't give 2 shits about the world. I know they're too young and innocent, even if it's just in a inexperienced kind of way, and not sweet innocence (not doubt they've already given their first blow jobs lol). My cousin who's 18 annoys me quite a bit, just cause she's got no idea. A sweet girl, i guess she'll go on her own path, but wow, all they do is get drunk. What a waste. Life is one big false "party"...i really have no time for people who don't see the bigger picture anymore. We have responsibilities as humans to not be morons and to actually bother to think. Our futures depend on it.

Some of us are different, and always have been. We're on a higher vibration than the rest, our eyes have always been open, always questioning, always caring, always searching...some folk are born to follow dumbly.

Really, it's true.



They get decieved by false heroes and false reality, I know I was at some point when I was very young.
I could suppose 'weaker' or 'younger spirits' get decieved easier, their feelings destroyed by society and their bodies tuned out by the system.

[seeker1111]

i was raised differently than most, so perhaps find it a bit hard to relate. i always tried to live outside the mould and create my own niche.

i learned at young age that i wanted no part in cliques and popularity contests, and worked on being friends with everyone, the unpopular and popular alike. i now have many acquaintences from all walks of life.

i also didn't have television and magazines to influence me until i was 15...so by then i was more grounded

[cherubrock]

i was raised differently than most, so perhaps find it a bit hard to relate. i always tried to live outside the mould and create my own niche.

i learned at young age that i wanted no part in cliques and popularity contests, and worked on being friends with everyone, the unpopular and popular alike. i now have many acquaintences from all walks of life.

i also didn't have television and magazines to influence me until i was 15...so by then i was more grounded


i was the same in high school and the only tv i watch is discovery channel (shark week woo!) and movies. also, i have friends from a lot of "groups" that normally aren't related.

also, i would say that about 85-90% of the kids are conformers or desperate for something to follow while the other 10% understand that it's all garbage. THOSE ones are the ones i like as friends! not to mention we can see the world polarizing, the good get gooder and the bad get worse. the division is growing and there is less and less gray area, so some people go with the majority and others see how ridiculous it is!

oh and has anyone watched the disney channel lately? its gets more ridiculous in its attempt to shape reality every time it happens to be on in my house! that and mtv's dating shows. they all give me a wierd vibe, like im looking at a hypnotist's watch swinging in the air.

I played WoW too and was pretty into it because i raided with 10 real life friends and it was really fun. BUT i went to a muse concert in san francisco last year and quit cold turkey, which caused all my friends to realize they should stop too. i realized theres so much more out there to enjoy, so now i play guild wars :D

[seeker1111]

I played WoW too and was pretty into it because i raided with 10 real life friends and it was really fun. BUT i went to a muse concert in san francisco last year and quit cold turkey, which caused all my friends to realize they should stop too. i realized theres so much more out there to enjoy, so now i play guild wars :D

funny you mention that! i was just talking to my b/f and another friend and we were considering givin it a go :p:D

how is it btw?

[mariag]

Yesterday I was on the skytrain and there were 4 girls, no older than 13-14, on the skytrain standing directly in front of me. It was a packed train and these girls offered some sort of amusement to say the least...

However the thing that struck me was that they were all carbon copies of each other! They were all wearing the same TNA brand outfits and purses. They were all gulping back Starbucks frappacinos (sp). They were all, except for one, rather chubby for their age. Two of them had professionally done blonde highlights in their hair. One had fake nails on, I'm not talking nail polish, no the acrylic kind...long too.

It was just sad to see that they were totally caught up in that world...at such a young age! I just wanted to take them out for dinner or something and show them a bit of an intelligent conversation, plant some seeds in their minds that the world is so much more than brand names, starbucks, fake nails etc. I think given the opportunity they would be open to new ideas, I just don't think that most of them have ever been exposed to a different perspective!

Anyone else noticing similar kinds of things with young girls these days or young people in general?

If it only was the brands , and the good looks and trying to impress one another . Kids this day and age have also a very rough attitude and lack of understanding for spirituality and emphaty.
It s very sad but not at all unexpected . With all the subliminal messages they get from disney , nickelodeon , music etc and group preassure it must be very difficult to be young today.
I think it is very stressfull to be a teen nowadays.

[manchurian_candidate]

And for the slightly older teen there is the delightful TV show "Skins". Did anyone here have an adolescence like the one portrayed in that show? I certainly didnt;more the pity. Excellent piece of conditioning for the youngsters though isnt it.

To be fair - I can relate to a lot of the things in Skins :o we used to party harder (in the excessive sense) when we were much much younger, glad to say that more of the stupidier behaviour is out of my system now!!!

I think the Inbetweeners is a more realistic example of kids to be honest and its bl**dy funny!! :D

[cherubrock]

wow > guild wars, and this is a pretty funny place to talk about it imo :)

[seeker1111]

wow...it's always funny to see an old thread of mine resurface randomly :D

love those 13 year olds...:) i remember being 13...i thought i knew a lot more than i did. that changed in hurry. :p

[darketernal]

wow...it's always funny to see an old thread of mine resurface randomly :D

love those 13 year olds...:) i remember being 13...i thought i knew a lot more than i did. that changed in hurry. :p

Speaking of which you have not dropped by my server lately to say hello in wow. You should transfer over to Mug'thol. :D

[drael]

I saw some teenagers recently, and generally seen young people with hippy headbands and peace signs and other rather un-consumer behaviours.

I beleive its quite likely this current generation, which is somewhat shallow will be superseeded by a newer quite possibly tavistock creation hippy drug taking generation. They tend to take these things in cycles of polar opposites.

[seeker1111]

Speaking of which you have not dropped by my server lately to say hello in wow. You should transfer over to Mug'thol. :D

I know!! I havn't even logged on for the past week. I was thinking of doing so tonight though.

As for transferring...the amount of money I've spent doing that alraedy I promised myself no more. :o

[darketernal]

I know!! I havn't even logged on for the past week. I was thinking of doing so tonight though.

As for transferring...the amount of money I've spent doing that alraedy I promised myself no more. :o

YOu sure? We are doing ab and eots premades all night.....LoL

[simplify]

Welcome to the future. They are the Bratz generation-perfect,mindless consumer drones. Feminism is dead and buried.
It's this generation that will be the first to be microchipped. They'll be begging for it.:rolleyes:

yea.....the Marketeers will advertise them a variety of pretty colors to hook the kids into wanting one, (even if they are being injected into their body somewhere) just like they've done with the cell phones. Unfortunately, there seems no way to warn the kids about the real meaning of the chip.:confused:

[silver_eyes]

these people are the ones who are gonna be the 1st to go. i do feel sorry for them but they are gonna be fodder for the machine

[thenightmare]

My generation makes me wonder aswell, its really sad. I've been around all sorts of teens and kids and made numerous observations. I never understood why people care so much about things that are on tv or on the radio. I have been in a below average middle school and am now in an exemplary high school for my second year. I must say there is quite a difference in people's behavior but yet they are the same.

In my middle school, i was an outcast because i was different. When i was younger i never made that much friends because the people were just incompatible, if i may. They were very violent people, always starting fights with people of different skin color and talking about the most idiotic of things. I remember that most of them just talked negatively about other people, what they wore, what they did, how they looked. Most of the guys talked about the shoes they wore and how big the girls butts are. Most of the girls talked about the way they look, jewelry, hair style, and how 'cute' guys are. Most of these people were poor but there were a few 'rich' kids and they are the ones that got all the attention, they just bragged about the they things they have and people listened with awe. There were gangs and drugs about so i stayed away as to not get caught up in anything. Im a person that enjoys speaking with people one on one so i got to know a bit about the why they did the things they did. I remember one time i was talking about how their home was like. Now, this is i believe to be the most influential of all to kids:their homelife.

Learning begins at home and if one gets taught well enough by their parents to love all then i think one can get above the influence, just like i did. Anyway, i asked most of them how their life at home was and most of them retorted with the same thing. They said that their parents faught a lot, which would explain why they feel no remorse when physically hurting others, they said they got hit a lot when their parents were drunk, which would explain why they do drugs. Some even said that they fight with their parents and i dont mean a friendly wrestling match, im speaking about blood. And the things on tv and the news doesnt ameliorate the pain that they have to go through everyday. I think that teens dont know what they are doing but rather they are only reflecting what happens in their life at home.

Ok, now for the things that i've noticed at our supposedly smart schools. I came to Debakey High School for Health Professions not to become a doctor but to escape the bellicose people at the other schools in my area. Anyway, the people are better controlled but that is only due to the fact that most of them live a forced life. Their parents force them to attend the school and make good grades or they would hurt them. The parents are abusive, the kids are loyal because they fear pain. The people are nicer but they are robots, no free will whatsoever. I was speaking to one the other day about life and she told that life is all about working. That is not surprising as most of them only care about making good grades to get into a good college to get a good job to get a lot of money, they mustve forgot the miserable life part. Some of them follow the trends on tv but most them dont have a tv. Their parents dont allow them to watch tv and most of them only get four hours of sleep because they study hard. There are no sports but never have i seen so much competition.lol. Most of their parents are rich, i mean they have mercedes and bmws and new cars in their sophomore year. Their parents, i think, are selfish because they use their children to work hard in school so that they could get the money when they are too old to get their own money. Its stupid and i dont get it. They say that they will thank them later but i dont think its worth it. Most kids dont have a choice, and that is where the world goes wrong:invading free will. Most of them are stressed out because they dont want to get hurt, its sad.

From all this i learn to love my parents for everything they have given me. My life, my freedom, my choice. I just wish that i could do something for everyone else that has to go through this life forced. Pain, fear, and stress is everywhere. Where did all the love go? I have tried so hard to get people to try to understand that there is more to life than just work but they dont listen. They are stuck in their life because of their parents but i cant put all the blame on their parents, most of them like it this way. Most of them like to work like slaves and follow orders like robots. No one can save them if they dont want to save themselves.

Well, thanks for reading, just from my experiences.

Love and Gratitude to those accepting it.:)

[gordonfreeman]

I feel the same way and I agree with you.

[murksyourheroes]

Yesterday I was on the skytrain and there were 4 girls, no older than 13-14, on the skytrain standing directly in front of me. It was a packed train and these girls offered some sort of amusement to say the least...

However the thing that struck me was that they were all carbon copies of each other! They were all wearing the same TNA brand outfits and purses. They were all gulping back Starbucks frappacinos (sp). They were all, except for one, rather chubby for their age. Two of them had professionally done blonde highlights in their hair. One had fake nails on, I'm not talking nail polish, no the acrylic kind...long too.

It was just sad to see that they were totally caught up in that world...at such a young age! I just wanted to take them out for dinner or something and show them a bit of an intelligent conversation, plant some seeds in their minds that the world is so much more than brand names, starbucks, fake nails etc. I think given the opportunity they would be open to new ideas, I just don't think that most of them have ever been exposed to a different perspective!

Anyone else noticing similar kinds of things with young girls these days or young people in general?

^^UHHH....


Is this your first time observing the behaviors of 13 year old girls? They're typically pretty homogenized.

[seeker1111]

^^UHHH....


Is this your first time observing the behaviors of 13 year old girls? They're typically pretty homogenized.

No. Of course not. :) I have a 13 year old sister myself.
I just wanted to discuss my observations at that time. I have to refresh my memory a bit on this, I posted this quite some time ago. :D

[astrochicken]

Barbies are the root of all evil (amongst other things)

[1694]

I have this kid ask me "What is £3.75 plus 99p?"
"Well," I said "Assume 99p is the better part of a quid,"
and he got it, mostly
I know there are some bright kids out there but damn.

I had a grown woman ask, whats 10% of 200...
I said what is 10% of 100 they looked perplexed.
I asked how many tens there are in a hundred.
They got 10% of 100 is 10
I asked how many 100s in 200
2 immediatly.
So......
*blank look*
I explained if there are 10 tens in 100 how many are there in 200?
20
Yes
... blank
10% of 200 is 20....are you trying to work out your brain medication dose
They didn't get it.

[darketernal]

I had a grown woman ask, whats 10% of 200...
I said what is 10% of 100 they looked perplexed.
I asked how many tens there are in a hundred.
They got 10% of 100 is 10
I asked how many 100s in 200
2 immediatly.
So......
*blank look*
I explained if there are 10 tens in 100 how many are there in 200?
20
Yes
... blank
10% of 200 is 20....are you trying to work out your brain medication dose
They didn't get it.

I think this is made up, I cannot believe a grown person, who is not mentally retarded, does not know what 10% of ANY number is, unless they were raised ina society where they never had a math class.

[checkmate]

Don't be so sure, my sister could never grasp the concept of zero. She wasn't dumb or challenged, just a brain wiring thing I guess.