Do you enjoy your current internet freedoms?

[seeker1111]

I'm not sure if there's a thread on this already, I imagine there is somewhere but I thought I'd post this anyhow as it's not something that should be forgotten about. Anyhow, this is from the Canadian side of things as apparently it's supposed to happen here first. :(

Do you enjoy your current internet freedoms?

Allowing broadband carriers to control what people see and do online would fundamentally undermine the principles that have made the Internet such a success...A number of justifications have been created to support carrier control over consumer choices online; none stand up to scrutiny."
- Vint Cerf [PDF]
Google Chief Internet Evangelist and Co-Developer of the Internet Protocol

The neutral communications medium is essential to our society. It is the basis of a fair competitive market economy. It is the basis of democracy, by which a community should decide what to do. It is the basis of science, by which humankind should decide what is true. Let us protect the neutrality of the net."- Tim Berners-Lee
Inventor of the World Wide Web

So what is this all about you might ask? Here's the lowdown...

There has been talk of the internet becoming quite regulated in the near future. Where users will have limited access to sites and only be able to view certain commercialized sites through a subscription package, much like your TV subscription service. Every other site you should choose to visit, that isn't apart of this package would be charged per view/visit. Now, I'm not 100% sure to what extent this could possibly be taken to but it's obviously gotten tongues wagging and heads talking as the Net Neutrality Bill has hit the house of commons opposing the regulation of customer's use of the internet.

"The private member's bill, C-552, is in reaction to moves by some of Canada's largest internet service providers (ISPs), including Bell Canada Inc. and Rogers Communications Inc., to limit their customers' uses of the internet. Bell, Rogers
and a few others say a small percentage of customers have been congesting
their networks by using peer-to-peer applications such as BitTorrent, so they have slowed the internet down at peak times of the day.

The ISPs' actions have provoked outrage from internet users, with about 300 protesters taking to the steps of Parliament Hill on Tuesday. Critics have said the targeting of peer-to-peer applications is just the tip of the iceberg. If ISPs are allowed to decide which internet applications can and can't be used, innovative new companies that were born from experimentation — such as Google, Amazon and eBay — may not happen in the future."...

"Net neutrality affects everybody, every person, every business, every hospital, every institution is involved in the exchange of information over the internet," Angus told CBCnews.ca. "This shouldn't be about party lines."

Read the entire article below.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/05/28/tech-netbill.html

Also read this article from CBC news Net Neutrality FAQ to educate yourself more about this subject.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tech/internet/netneutrality-faq.html

Here are some other various links I've compiled.
http://www.neutrality.ca/
http://newworldrhinos.blogspot.com/2008/06/no-more-internet-by-2012.html
http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality.html

Comments? Discussion? What do you think?

[mido]

I reckon we have a relatively short time left before regulation, monitoring, censoring and policing change the Internet experience for ever. Many of us have our online activities logged by our ISPs, and often the 'necessary' updates we download for software contain tracking/monitoring code. I don't believe there's any sure-fire way around this - unless we start our own LAN!

[eyepod]

Funny enough I was reading some article about this earlier but I can't find it now. It stated that Canada was going to be the test country for this to happen in 2010 with the rest of the world following suit in 2012.

But it also mentioned something about how Canadians forced phone companies in the past to go back on their plans to charge for text messageing by making use of or protesting about it on the internet instead.

Time to rebel Canadians! ;)

I just don't think I would be interested in using it if it's just bunch of sanitised info and propaganda supplied by mega-corps.

This all seems to have something to do with Internet 2 which apparently is already in use at Cern where they have the Large Hadron Collider and was invented on the back of that. Berners Lee invented the original (current) internet at Cern - also connected to some particle accelerator they had there.

[brown velvet]

I'm not sure if there's a thread on this already, I imagine there is somewhere but I thought I'd post this anyhow as it's not something that should be forgotten about. Anyhow, this is from the Canadian side of things as apparently it's supposed to happen here first. :(

Read the entire article below.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/05/28/tech-netbill.html

Also read this article from CBC news Net Neutrality FAQ to educate yourself more about this subject.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tech/internet/netneutrality-faq.html

Here are some other various links I've compiled.
http://www.neutrality.ca/
http://newworldrhinos.blogspot.com/2008/06/no-more-internet-by-2012.html
http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality.html

Comments? Discussion? What do you think?

Hi

I think you are fab for putting this out :D horrid scary information though:(
how can I download my life every morning if there's a charge on it? lol

I had no idea all that was / is going on, it needs some serious publicity, thank you for making me aware of it.

brown.

[eyepod]

http://www.realitycheck.typepad.com/

Jul 20, 2008

Death of Free Internet is Imminent- Canada Will Be Test Case

In the last 15 years or so, as a society we have had access to more information than ever before in modern history because of the Internet. There are approximately 1 billion Internet users in the world and any one of these users can theoretically communicate in real time with any other on the planet.

The Internet has been the greatest technological achievement of the 20th century by far, and has been recognized as such by the global community. The free transfer of information, uncensored, unlimited and untainted, still seems to be a dream when you think about it. Whatever field that is mentioned- education, commerce, government, news, entertainment, politics and countless other areas- have been radically affected by the introduction of the Internet.

And mostly, it's good news, except when poor judgements are made and people are taken advantage of. Scrutiny and oversight are needed, especially where children are involved. However, when there are potential profits open to a corporation, the needs of society don't count.

Take the recent case in Canada with the behemoths, Telus and Rogers rolling out a charge for text messaging without any warning to the public. It was an arrogant and risky move for the telecommunications giants because it backfired. People actually used Internet technology to deliver a loud and clear message to these companies and that was to scrap the extra charge. The people used the power of the Internet against the big boys and the little guys won.
However, the issue of text messaging is just a tiny blip on the radar screens of Telus and another company, Bell Canada, the two largest Internet Service Providers (ISP'S) in Canada. Our country is being used as a test case to drastically change the delivery of Internet service forever. The change will be so radical that it has the potential to send us back to the horse and buggy days of information sharing and access.

In the upcoming weeks watch for a report in Time Magazine that will attempt to smooth over the rough edges of a diabolical plot by Bell Canada and Telus, to begin charging per site fees on most Internet sites. The plan is to convert the Internet into a cable-like system, where customers sign up for specific web sites, and then pay to visit sites beyond a cutoff point.

From my browsing (on the currently free Internet) I have discovered that the 'demise' of the free Internet is slated for 2010 in Canada, and two years later around the world. Canada is seen a good choice to implement such shameful and sinister changes, since Canadians are viewed as being laissez fair, politically uninformed and an easy target.

The corporate marauders will iron out the wrinkles in Canada and then spring the new, castrated version of the Internet on the rest of the world, probably with little fanfare, except for some dire warnings about the 'evil' of the Internet (free) and the CEO's spouting about 'safety and security'. These buzzwords usually work pretty well.

What will the Internet look like in Canada in 2010? I suspect that the ISP's will provide a "package" program as companies like Cogeco currently do. Customers will pay for a series of websites as they do now for their television stations. Television stations will be available on-line as part of these packages, which will make the networks happy since they have lost much of the younger market which are surfing and chatting on their computers in the evening. However, as is the case with cable television now, if you choose something that is not part of the package, you know what happens. You pay extra.

And this is where the Internet (free) as we know it will suffer almost immediate, economic strangulation. Thousands and thousands of Internet sites will not be part of the package so users will have to pay extra to visit those sites! In just an hour or two it is possible to easily visit 20-30 sites or more while looking for information. Just imagine how high these costs will be.

At present, the world condemns China because that country restricts certain websites. "They are undemocratic; they are removing people's freedom; they don't respect individual rights; they are censoring information,” are some of the comments we hear. But what Bell Canada and Telus have planned for Canadians is much worse than that. They are planning the death of the Internet (free) as we know it, and I expect they'll be hardly a whimper from Canadians.

It's all part of the corporate plan for a New World Order and virtually a masterstroke that will lead to the creation of billions and billions of dollars of corporate profit at the expense of the working and middle classes. There are so many other implications as a result of these changes, far too many to elaborate on here.

Be aware that we will all lose our privacy because all websites will be tracked as part of the billing procedure, and we will be literally cut off from 90% of the information that we can access today. The little guys on the Net will fall likes flies; Bloggers and small website operators will die a quick death because people will not pay to go to their sites and read their pages. Ironically, the only medium that can save us is the one we are trying to save- the Internet (free).

This article will be posted on my Blog, www.realitycheck.typepad.com (http://www.realitycheck.typepad.com) and I encourage people and groups to learn more about this issue. Canadians can keep the Internet free just as they kept text messaging free. Don't wait for the federal politicians. They will do nothing to help us.

I would welcome a letter to the editor of the Standard Freeholder from a spokesperson from Bell Canada or Telus telling me that I am absolutely wrong in what I have written, and that no such changes to the Internet are being planned, and that access to Internet sites will remain FREE in the years to come. In the meantime, I encourage all of you to write to the media, ask questions, phone the radio station, phone a friend, or think of something else to prevent what appears to me to be inevitable.

Maintaining Internet (free) access is the only way we have a chance at combatting the global corporate takeover, the North American Union, and a long list of other deadly deeds that the elite in society have planned for us. Yesterday was too late in trying to protect our rights and freedoms. We must now redouble our efforts in order to give our children and grandchildren a fighting chance in the future.

[triotec]

A member of the Norwegian government said yesterday that pirates in Norway would lose their internet connection if they got caught in downloading/uploading of illegal materials. Norwegian ISPs do not like the statement from the authorities. I never hope this will happen in Norway.

[seeker1111]

Funny enough I was reading some article about this earlier but I can't find it now. It stated that Canada was going to be the test country for this to happen in 2010 with the rest of the world following suit in 2012.

But it also mentioned something about how Canadians forced phone companies in the past to go back on their plans to charge for text messageing by making use of or protesting about it on the internet instead.

Time to rebel Canadians! ;)

I just don't think I would be interested in using it if it's just bunch of sanitised info and propaganda supplied by mega-corps.

This all seems to have something to do with Internet 2 which apparently is already in use at Cern where they have the Large Hadron Collider and was invented on the back of that. Berners Lee invented the original (current) internet at Cern - also connected to some particle accelerator they had there.

I believe there has been some protest already on the steps of Parliament Hill. I know there is talk of a rally as well...so hopefully we do our part. I think the more people who are made aware, the harder it will be for them to bring this about. Tell a guy he can't get his porn that should get him in action, or that you can't download your favorite tunes, or look at your favorite websites for that matter.

As for the text messaging thing...as far as I'm aware that goes into effect August 8, 2008. Just can't let us have our fun eh?
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=2527e80a-6260-47fb-b5ed-441d51cc0b79

[seeker1111]

http://www.realitycheck.typepad.com/

Jul 20, 2008

Death of Free Internet is Imminent- Canada Will Be Test Case

In the last 15 years or so, as a society we have had access to more information than ever before in modern history because of the Internet. There are approximately 1 billion Internet users in the world and any one of these users can theoretically communicate in real time with any other on the planet.

The Internet has been the greatest technological achievement of the 20th century by far, and has been recognized as such by the global community. The free transfer of information, uncensored, unlimited and untainted, still seems to be a dream when you think about it. Whatever field that is mentioned- education, commerce, government, news, entertainment, politics and countless other areas- have been radically affected by the introduction of the Internet.

And mostly, it's good news, except when poor judgements are made and people are taken advantage of. Scrutiny and oversight are needed, especially where children are involved. However, when there are potential profits open to a corporation, the needs of society don't count.

Take the recent case in Canada with the behemoths, Telus and Rogers rolling out a charge for text messaging without any warning to the public. It was an arrogant and risky move for the telecommunications giants because it backfired. People actually used Internet technology to deliver a loud and clear message to these companies and that was to scrap the extra charge. The people used the power of the Internet against the big boys and the little guys won.
However, the issue of text messaging is just a tiny blip on the radar screens of Telus and another company, Bell Canada, the two largest Internet Service Providers (ISP'S) in Canada. Our country is being used as a test case to drastically change the delivery of Internet service forever. The change will be so radical that it has the potential to send us back to the horse and buggy days of information sharing and access.

In the upcoming weeks watch for a report in Time Magazine that will attempt to smooth over the rough edges of a diabolical plot by Bell Canada and Telus, to begin charging per site fees on most Internet sites. The plan is to convert the Internet into a cable-like system, where customers sign up for specific web sites, and then pay to visit sites beyond a cutoff point.

From my browsing (on the currently free Internet) I have discovered that the 'demise' of the free Internet is slated for 2010 in Canada, and two years later around the world. Canada is seen a good choice to implement such shameful and sinister changes, since Canadians are viewed as being laissez fair, politically uninformed and an easy target.

The corporate marauders will iron out the wrinkles in Canada and then spring the new, castrated version of the Internet on the rest of the world, probably with little fanfare, except for some dire warnings about the 'evil' of the Internet (free) and the CEO's spouting about 'safety and security'. These buzzwords usually work pretty well.

What will the Internet look like in Canada in 2010? I suspect that the ISP's will provide a "package" program as companies like Cogeco currently do. Customers will pay for a series of websites as they do now for their television stations. Television stations will be available on-line as part of these packages, which will make the networks happy since they have lost much of the younger market which are surfing and chatting on their computers in the evening. However, as is the case with cable television now, if you choose something that is not part of the package, you know what happens. You pay extra.

And this is where the Internet (free) as we know it will suffer almost immediate, economic strangulation. Thousands and thousands of Internet sites will not be part of the package so users will have to pay extra to visit those sites! In just an hour or two it is possible to easily visit 20-30 sites or more while looking for information. Just imagine how high these costs will be.

At present, the world condemns China because that country restricts certain websites. "They are undemocratic; they are removing people's freedom; they don't respect individual rights; they are censoring information,” are some of the comments we hear. But what Bell Canada and Telus have planned for Canadians is much worse than that. They are planning the death of the Internet (free) as we know it, and I expect they'll be hardly a whimper from Canadians.

It's all part of the corporate plan for a New World Order and virtually a masterstroke that will lead to the creation of billions and billions of dollars of corporate profit at the expense of the working and middle classes. There are so many other implications as a result of these changes, far too many to elaborate on here.

Be aware that we will all lose our privacy because all websites will be tracked as part of the billing procedure, and we will be literally cut off from 90% of the information that we can access today. The little guys on the Net will fall likes flies; Bloggers and small website operators will die a quick death because people will not pay to go to their sites and read their pages. Ironically, the only medium that can save us is the one we are trying to save- the Internet (free).

This article will be posted on my Blog, www.realitycheck.typepad.com (http://www.realitycheck.typepad.com) and I encourage people and groups to learn more about this issue. Canadians can keep the Internet free just as they kept text messaging free. Don't wait for the federal politicians. They will do nothing to help us.

I would welcome a letter to the editor of the Standard Freeholder from a spokesperson from Bell Canada or Telus telling me that I am absolutely wrong in what I have written, and that no such changes to the Internet are being planned, and that access to Internet sites will remain FREE in the years to come. In the meantime, I encourage all of you to write to the media, ask questions, phone the radio station, phone a friend, or think of something else to prevent what appears to me to be inevitable.

Maintaining Internet (free) access is the only way we have a chance at combatting the global corporate takeover, the North American Union, and a long list of other deadly deeds that the elite in society have planned for us. Yesterday was too late in trying to protect our rights and freedoms. We must now redouble our efforts in order to give our children and grandchildren a fighting chance in the future.

Thanks eyepod. I'm not sure however that Canadians will take this sitting down. I remember a few weeks ago the story about the proposed border crossing checks of all electronics for pirated software made the front page of the province and sparked a lot of angry talk and debate among students and people everywhere.

If this was implemented there wouldn't be much to worry about if you won't even be able to visit these sites without paying...there won't be anything to find on the people's electronic devices. :(

[real6]

Check this what i posted a few weeks back...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30620

[eyepod]

I believe there has been some protest already on the steps of Parliament Hill. I know there is talk of a rally as well...so hopefully we do our part. I think the more people who are made aware, the harder it will be for them to bring this about. Tell a guy he can't get his porn that should get him in action, or that you can't download your favorite tunes, or look at your favorite websites for that matter.

As for the text messaging thing...as far as I'm aware that goes into effect August 8, 2008. Just can't let us have our fun eh?
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=2527e80a-6260-47fb-b5ed-441d51cc0b79

Porn? On the internet, surely not? I thought it was just invented for computer geeks, UFOs and conspiracies theories.

But your right that should bring them out in their droves ;)

[seeker1111]

Check this what i posted a few weeks back...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30620

thanks for this link real6

your avatar is frightening by the way...:eek:

[real6]

thanks for this link real6

your avatar is frightening by the way...:eek:

Sowwy...

But im not that frighting in real life my dear ;)

[emanuel]

It is crap that they are looking to further restrict us......buuuut.......I don't think it would be too bad a thing to lose, the internet I mean......hear me out first. Going back to the days before the internet, how would we have communicated this stuff?? face to face, which in itself is far better because from that kinda interaction you would get a far greater boost to actually do stuff! That is the problem with these types of forum, it is easier to sit on your arse when you're simply infront of a computer screen reading and writing text, the most constricting form of communication IMO.

But to save the internet everyone would have to stand together and flatout refuse. I heard recently there is some island somewhere (vague I know) where the authorities told everyone they were going to introduce TV licences and the whole island, as one, just said get f**ked and they didn't end up going ahead with it!! Power to the people and so on and so forth....

[seeker1111]

It is crap that they are looking to further restrict us......buuuut.......I don't think it would be too bad a thing to lose, the internet I mean......hear me out first. Going back to the days before the internet, how would we have communicated this stuff?? face to face, which in itself is far better because from that kinda interaction you would get a far greater boost to actually do stuff! That is the problem with these types of forum, it is easier to sit on your arse when you're simply infront of a computer screen reading and writing text, the most constricting form of communication IMO.

But to save the internet everyone would have to stand together and flatout refuse. I heard recently there is some island somewhere (vague I know) where the authorities told everyone they were going to introduce TV licences and the whole island, as one, just said get f**ked and they didn't end up going ahead with it!! Power to the people and so on and so forth....


I definitely see your point. My worry is that, while the older generation might be able to resurrect this form of communication (face to face) the younger generation has never experienced it for themselves.

I would worry that it would further separate and divide us because people would just accept it, even though they didn't like it, because they think it's the only way. Taking on the attitude of 'well at least it's better than nothing'.

That's cool about that island...I like to hear stuff like that. :)

[dolphinswink]

I would actually hope that the access we currently enjoy with the internet will not become restricted in such a way as that article earlier related for Canada.

There are people who are disabled, who are rural, or for whatever other reason, are unable to get the information like we can get so readily on the 'net and would therefore, continue to be "in the dark" with only the mainstream press and news on tv to be told what is going on - and we all know that just won't do b/c they can't be trusted.

Obviously, that would work in "their" favor .. by isolating us in that manner and clamping down hard on how information is shared and distributed.

I rely heavily on the 'net as I am Deaf. I stopped watching TV news years ago and only read the paper sporadically any more and usually just throw it in the recycle bin in disgust lol

So like I said, I would hope this doesn't come to pass ... and if it does, that there's something we can do about it ...

[emanuel]

I definitely see your point. My worry is that, while the older generation might be able to resurrect this form of communication (face to face) the younger generation has never experienced it for themselves.

I would worry that it would further separate and divide us because people would just accept it, even though they didn't like it, because they think it's the only way. Taking on the attitude of 'well at least it's better than nothing'.

That's cool about that island...I like to hear stuff like that. :)

My god I'm not 'the older generation' now am I? I've not hit 30 yet!!! :eek:

I know what you mean though, I had forgotten how dependent on technology kids are these days. Kinda scary when you see 'em all walking about with mobile phones and the like at the age of 10. :confused:

[redtree999]

Sooner or later, we always have to pay for a contrived version of what was previously free and pure in one form or another..Look at water for example.

Regardless of whether today's kids would benefit from learning about writing properly or not, I think the issue most concerning the majority of web users is that it's another form of tracking - Especially if most websites we frequent will contain our personal credit footprint for analysis (read: profiling).

How hard would it be for someone to hack our account so it would look as if we had been visiting a "bad" site?
If they have secured a copy of our DNA, they could even arrange for some of it to be on the "bad" server equipment for good measure.
I'm sure it wouldn't take long between speaking out againt TPTB until becoming the country's most wanted terrorist.

I think our dreams are the true reality - The rest of this shit is just designed to wind us up:)

[seeker1111]

My god I'm not 'the older generation' now am I? I've not hit 30 yet!!! :eek:

I know what you mean though, I had forgotten how dependent on technology kids are these days. Kinda scary when you see 'em all walking about with mobile phones and the like at the age of 10. :confused:

LOL i wasn't saying you were old...i'm not 23 myself :p soon though! just a matter of days ;)

[emanuel]

LOL i wasn't saying you were old...i'm not 23 myself :p soon though! just a matter of days ;)

Ahhh cancarian are you? That explains a lot!! (in a nice way) :cool:

I still have a couple of years before I hit 30 though, didn't mean it was imminent lol though I must say i like getting older in a way (hopefully I'll get wiser) :D

[triotec]

Age doesnt matter as long you can speek and communicate with other people.

[seeker1111]

Ahhh cancarian are you? That explains a lot!! (in a nice way) :cool:

I still have a couple of years before I hit 30 though, didn't mean it was imminent lol though I must say i like getting older in a way (hopefully I'll get wiser) :D

Leo actually. :D

[emanuel]

Leo actually. :D

And that explains even more (again, in a nice way) :D

[seeker1111]

And that explains even more (again, in a nice way) :D

I'm intrigued! Tell me more...:p
(i know about my sign, just want to know what parts of it you think it all explains about me!)

:)

[deafbred]

you would think it would be possible to leave the internet alone and have it become what the real world cannot...A FREE truly free paridigm. But no...we are going to corrupt it to confines of chains. How great. I knew this would happen in 1990. ...my narsasism always seems to pan out.. but my narsasism ain't me.

[emanuel]

I'm intrigued! Tell me more...:p
(i know about my sign, just want to know what parts of it you think it all explains about me!)

:)

Hmmmm should I say?!! this could well be a trap, I know what you ladies are like! ;)

[seeker1111]

Hmmmm should I say?!! this could well be a trap, I know what you ladies are like! ;)

maybe you should message me so we keep this thread on topic? :D

[emanuel]

Mind you if the internet was taken away completely I still don't think it would be that bad! So kids have grown up with it, they can learn old school methods can't they. Too many wise teachings have been lost in time because we don't pass the valuable knowledge on to our kids. Being able to communicate without the internet and learn without the internet is very important, just as important. The internet should not be relied upon in that respect! IMO peeps :cool:

[frankanne]

I heard recently there is some island somewhere (vague I know) where the authorities told everyone they were going to introduce TV licences and the whole island, as one, just said get f**ked and they didn't end up going ahead with it!! Power to the people and so on and so forth....


How can I find out what island this is? so important.

[emanuel]

How can I find out what island this is? so important.

Important! why? (if you don't mind my asking)

I can find out where from the person I heard it from and let you know if you're serious!