why i find the existence of reptilians improbable

[legendary]

ok basically my problem with the reptilians arises from the diversity of life on Earth. there are roughly 1.8million known species on planet earth and most researchers estimate that at best we are aware of maybe 10% of the different species, leading to a possible 18million species on our planet alone. this being said, with the probability that there are thousands, if not millions of other planets capable of sustaining life, not to mention the possibility of inter-dimensional travel this would suggest there are in fact billions upon billions of different species.

once this has been established i am lead to question the probability that of these billions of different life forms the ones trying to take over our planet are effectively a cross-breed of man and reptile (in appearance at least) is this logical? out of the billions of species in existence, of which we know of only 1.8million that the ones attempting to invade us share such close physical qualities as a small proportion of the species on this planet?

in all probability, any alien being to come to earth would not only have a different physical makeup, seeing as ours has been moulded by the ecosystem and atmosphere in which we inhabit, but for them then to be able to communicate coherently (try immitating the hissings of a snake or lizard accurately or teach a cat to say a word) would be another highly unlikely situation as how would they develop a local accent or even pronounce words (of the 1.8million known species on this planet, only humans and parrots are able to even pronounce a letter or word due to their genetic build up) this isn't to say if reptilians exist they could not communicate with one another, but what is the possibility we could learn their language or they ours? once again the probability of this is negligable in my mind

[element]

You view everything in the concept of ''earth is the center of the universe''.

Ofcourse there could be the same species on other planets. Why not? There is a fair amount of proof that we as homo sapiens are not even part of this planet. Maybe many planets have the same keys; fish, reptile, mammal, bird, amphibian, insect etc. And totally different ones too ofcourse...

Language does not have to mean a thing. Think about telepathy..

[legendary]

ok i really don't view the Earth as being the centre of the universe, far from it if you had any understanding of what i was saying

you speak of telepathy but that does not answer my question about the formation of language in the slightest, as the leaders of the world do something with their mouths called TALKING, not TELECOMMUNICATING and these are the people you claim are secretly reptilians

the possibility that humans came from elsewhere in the universe is very possible actually considering how unique we are in comparison to other known species but you are still saying that of the billions of possible species out there these just happen to be a blend of two of the ones we know with our unlimited knowledge of maybe 0.0000001% of all life forms in the cosmos

if other planets had lifeforms of a similiar genetic build up to us this would point to the existence of a GOD or universal creator of some form. Think of the complexity of the human body or any animal for that matter. the idea that there could be thousands of planets containing genetic replicas is extremely improbable and if you are saying there may only be one or two what is the probability that those 1 or 2 managed to communicate with us???

[element]

ok i really don't view the Earth as being the centre of the universe, far from it if you had any understanding of what i was saying

you speak of telepathy but that does not answer my question about the formation of language in the slightest, as the leaders of the world do something with their mouths called TALKING, not TELECOMMUNICATING and these are the people you claim are secretly reptilians

Where did I say they were secretly reptilians? I did not. It is a possibility though. They can have both reptilian blood and human blood.
the possibility that humans came from elsewhere in the universe is very possible actually considering how unique we are in comparison to other known species but you are still saying that of the billions of possible species out there these just happen to be a blend of two of the ones we know with our unlimited knowledge of maybe 0.0000001% of all life forms in the cosmos

if other planets had lifeforms of a similiar genetic build up to us this would point to the existence of a GOD or universal creator of some form. Think of the complexity of the human body or any animal for that matter. the idea that there could be thousands of planets containing genetic replicas is extremely improbable and if you are saying there may only be one or two what is the probability that those 1 or 2 managed to communicate with us???

Could you be a bit more clear? :confused:

[legendary]

Where did I say they were secretly reptilians? I did not. It is a possibility though. They can have both reptilian blood and human blood.
You didn't say they secretly are but that is the general point made by David Icke and other reptilian conspiracists although the point about a cross-breed is plausible however if they were cross-bred why would they choose to ally themselves to reptilians as opposed to humans and why would they have purely human physical characteristics?

Could you be a bit more clear? :confused:

my other point is that we only know about 0.000001% of the creatures in the universe and only 10% of the ones on our planet. i'm just saying the probability of a blend of two of these species we know being the ones invading our planet is as low as maybe one in a billion

the other point is that if like you say: the species on this planet are found on other planets or at least similiar forms of species

what is the probability of that considering we are made up uniquely of billions of cells, which even in a relatively stable atmosphere has created an estimated 10 million different species.

if one (actually very small) planet has created 10million species then of the other hundreds of thousands of planets that can sustain life the probability of finding a replica or even relatively similiar species would be inifinitesimally small

OR would suggest that there must have been some form of designer if the same designs have been repeated on thousands of planets across the universe

OR if you are suggesting that there may only be one or two planets with similiar species to Earth, what is the probability they would be able to travel to Earth considering how expansive the universe is (even if they were able to travel across solar systems or galaxies, there are millions of galaxies and billions of solar systems we inhabit one of millions of planets in one of these galaxies)

SO presuming all these odds had been surpassed what is the chance then that they would go on to form a blend of two of the 10% of the species we are aware of on Earth (would it not be thousands of times more probable they would form a blend of one if not two of the 90% of species we have not identified on Earth

[sebastian]

Nice expose but I think you should take a look at all the evidence out there. If you still don't get it, just let it go...focus " earthly " issues instead.

For example to me it just made sensein the overall bigger picture of things

http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles.htm

[sebastian]

They feed on negative emotions.

[element]

You didn't say they secretly are but that is the general point made by David Icke and other reptilian conspiracists although the point about a cross-breed is plausible however if they were cross-bred why would they choose to ally themselves to reptilians as opposed to humans and why would they have purely human physical characteristics?

Who tells they aling themself with reptilians? If they are hybrids they might have their own agenda. Maybe they have no reptilian blood at all. There are just so many possibilities. Purely human physical, to hide their identity? Or maybe they are more human then reptile..just a guess.

my other point is that we only know about 0.000001% of the creatures in the universe and only 10% of the ones on our planet. i'm just saying the probability of a blend of two of these species we know being the ones invading our planet is as low as maybe one in a billion

Makes no sense. If we know so little, why think invasions are as low as one in a billion? Not everything has the same technology or intelligence as we do.

the other point is that if like you say: the species on this planet are found on other planets or at least similiar forms of species

what is the probability of that considering we are made up uniquely of billions of cells, which even in a relatively stable atmosphere has created an estimated 10 million different species.

Well why couldn't there be mammals or reptiles on other planets? Who knows what interbreeding is happening out there in all those billion planets, and even other dimensions?

OR would suggest that there must have been some form of designer if the same designs have been repeated on thousands of planets across the universe

Who knows what's possible...

OR if you are suggesting that there may only be one or two planets with similiar species to Earth, what is the probability they would be able to travel to Earth considering how expansive the universe is (even if they were able to travel across solar systems or galaxies, there are millions of galaxies and billions of solar systems we inhabit one of millions of planets in one of these galaxies)

Here you go again, not everything in the universe does it the same way as we do, most likely! Who knows what kind of travel there is. Possibilities are endless. (once again) If there are millions of planets, there is always chance earth gets visited too, just as there is with other planets.

[talkingchimp]

i tend to go along with terence mckenna's philosophy that only the actual felt experience is the only important thing, you can spend your whole life theorizing about god, reptiles, hidden planets, ghosts whatever you like because it fuels an industry. take my tip and terence's go out to a cow pasture this autumn and pick some magic mushrooms, then imbibe and rejoice in all the glorious magic that you've never witnessed before, and actually EXPERIENCE something. you never know you might discover something profound.

[element]

i tend to go along with terence mckenna's philosophy that only the actual felt experience is the only important thing, you can spend your whole life theorizing about god, reptiles, hidden planets, ghosts whatever you like because it fuels an industry. take my tip and terence's go out to a cow pasture this autumn and pick some magic mushrooms, then imbibe and rejoice in all the glorious magic that you've never witnessed before, and actually EXPERIENCE something. you never know you might discover something profound.

I agree with this. Experience > theory. I do not nessesary think mushrooms are needed, just some patience and experience with meditation/astral projection can do the trick. But it's up to all.

[talkingchimp]

ah well that maybe so but this doesnt work for every one and can take many many years if not decades of practice for some, however 4 grams of dried psilocybin mushrooms will enlighten everyone.

[astro zombie]

ah well that maybe so but this doesnt work for every one and can take many many years if not decades of practice for some, however 4 grams of dried psilocybin mushrooms will enlighten everyone.

I agree with this and McKenna's view your mentioning.:D

However i think that your intent before/while tripping is just as important...you have to be open-minded to all possibilty in the first place. Because if your not, your just gonna think your getting "fucked up."

[talkingchimp]

I agree with this and McKenna's view your mentioning.:D

However i think that your intent before/while tripping is just as important...you have to be open-minded to all possibilty in the first place. Because if your not, your just gonna think your getting "fucked up."

i totally agree, if you arent prepared for for total ego dissolution because you are bound to it then a rough ride is what you will get!

[noobcybot]

I think tripping out and exploring reality through that avenue is really integral to understanding any of this. Experiencing that loss of ego was what really brought it all home to me, the matrix idea seems to make full sense also. Personally I have never seen a reptilian even in the astral planes, although I have probably met the prison warder consciousness that Icke often mentions.
Regarding the thread, the question is very reasonable, although I believe quite a few have explained that after mammals, reptiles would be the other contender for our path of evolution. We see this image a lot if we look into ufology...

http://www.echoesofenoch.org/Reptilian.jpgfound

Seems to have the same skull structure as some ancient non-human bones that have been.

[legendary]

i think that any profound insights i've had under the influence of shrooms have been purely illusory and i've tried from Mexican's to Morroccans. sure it's tempting to think because its natural its revealing insights about nature..... but NO and just because you meditate about something doesn't mean the conclusions you draw are in any way correct...

i figured out i don't know how to roll a spliff, its actually something ingrained within my psyche which would explain why even the best rollers have trouble with some spliffs and not necessarily for any apparent reason
then after a few hours i thought it through and realised my realisation was BULLSHIT

some shrooms are alot like ecstacy and to be honest if you feel that under the influence of pills you have some true insights into life you are very wrong

PS with my argument i was not trying to suggest the existence of reptilians is an impossibility, merely that the probability of their existence is in my mind so minimal that you would be more likely to win the lottery two days in a row than that they exist

[astro zombie]

You hallucinate from psilocybin but the experiance and the insights are very real, in my humble little hippy opinion.:)

I don't get how people say "oh you took mushrooms it was just an illusion." Is our waking, sober reality not an illusion as well? It's just the most persistent one.:D

[malkor]

Crossbreeds and hybrids are a laughable concept. Every human being has reptilian genes. Heck, we're even closely related to fruit flies. All a product of this planet's evolutionary history, sharing a common ancestry. That makes every living human a hybrid.

One might be able to make an argument, albeit not a strong one, that our genetics were artificially modified at one time in our history, possibly to make us more useful for some purpose, but that would be delving into the ancient history of the Sumerians and the information is corrupted by mythology.

[legendary]

Crossbreeds and hybrids are a laughable concept. Every human being has reptilian genes. Heck, we're even closely related to fruit flies. All a product of this planet's evolutionary history, sharing a common ancestry. That makes every living human a hybrid.

One might be able to make an argument, albeit not a strong one, that our genetics were artificially modified at one time in our history, possibly to make us more useful for some purpose, but that would be delving into the ancient history of the Sumerians and the information is corrupted by mythology.

crossbreeding is a reality (although not necessarily for humans) look up the liger
it's a cross-breed of lion and tiger and is very real

[talkingchimp]

the liger is the king of beasts!

http://www.antiliger.com/history.html

i suggest you all familiarise yourselves with this information.

[element]

Crossbreeds and hybrids are a laughable concept. Every human being has reptilian genes. Heck, we're even closely related to fruit flies. All a product of this planet's evolutionary history, sharing a common ancestry. That makes every living human a hybrid.

One might be able to make an argument, albeit not a strong one, that our genetics were artificially modified at one time in our history, possibly to make us more useful for some purpose, but that would be delving into the ancient history of the Sumerians and the information is corrupted by mythology.

It's not just Sumer, it's many ancient faiths and civilisations speaking of this, including religions. Add to that the many biological differences we have with our so called ''ancestors'' and it's more then ''not a strong argument''.

[legendary]

i have to agree with element there hence the search for the 'missing link' in human evolution which has gone on ever since the emergence of the theory of evolution

[astro zombie]

Holy shit i have never heard of ligers until just now but they are real! That's nuts.:eek:

http://www.naturesafariindia.com/gifs/liger4.jpg

[element]

Yeah lions and tigers must be very closely related. Don't forget that the Indian plateau was once part of Africa, according to geologists. Not that surprising, because in India we see rhinos, elephants, buffalos, and tigers as another big cat.

Coming back to the reptilian thing. Instead of being ET's , they might be just from the earth. They might be the intelligent species of dinosaur times. Why don't we see remains, well we only know very little of dino's and other times so we can guess atleast. :D

btw that's a gigantic liger if you ask me.

[legendary]

yes i've heard that argument about reptilians being from Earth too, but then surely their population would massively outnumber ours or at least be technologically advanced to a point where they would not need subterfuge to dominate the earth. also why would they have moved underground or contacted our ancestors before suddenly deciding to stop doing this openly a thousand or so years back

PS with skeletons it is also possible they hav found them but since nobody is looking for a lizard-man they would not attempt to assemble it in the same manner, but rather claim that bones are missing and they are unable to complete the skeleton

[legendary]

if you believe humans have been genetically modified by aliens aswell look at the duck billed platypus, it's a mammal that lays eggs like a reptile, has a beak like a bird, and swims like a fish

[conspiraca]

Nice expose but I think you should take a look at all the evidence out there. If you still don't get it, just let it go...focus " earthly " issues instead.

For example to me it just made sensein the overall bigger picture of things

http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles.htm

I do not know anything about these Reptilians but I got to say that first link sounded a bit science fiction. I know I am going to regret asking this but just what are these Reptilians and where are they have suppose to come from?

[legendary]

ummm lots of people say lots of things personally i don't particularly believe in them.

Some people say they are from Earth and there are loads of ancient cave paintings of lizard men and on pyramids and there are loads of myths and stuff about them and claimed references in the bible (to the annunaki i think it is or maybe the nephilim..) the people who claim they are from Earth tend to say they live in giant caverns deep underground which are linked up to the surface through various deep tunnels around the world

then there are other people like David Icke i think argues this point that they are interdimensional beings and that some world leaders(not necessarily public figures) take on a reptilian form of some sort he could be talking about in a spiritual sense, I'm not sure really.

Then some people say they are lizards from space from the drako galaxy or something who want to enslave our planet and have either cross-bred with or genetically altered humans and put these offspring into positions of power through secret societies, and work in colaboration with or in fact controlling the government from the lower levels of underground or black ops bases

and some people think they have the ability to shape shift(some with technology some naturally), speak telepathically, etc etc etc

also there are references to them in loads of movies and games and symbols

These aren't strict groupings but it just shows the diversity of views about the reptilians that i have heard of.

[malkor]

crossbreeding is a reality (although not necessarily for humans) look up the liger
it's a cross-breed of lion and tiger and is very real

That because they are closely related. You can cross a horse with an ass and end up with a mule. Those are closely related as well. We humans could probably have crossed with other proto-humans if they were still alive.

Anything else would take a significant amount of genetic muckery.

[malkor]

It's not just Sumer, it's many ancient faiths and civilisations speaking of this, including religions. Add to that the many biological differences we have with our so called ''ancestors'' and it's more then ''not a strong argument''.

And most of them got their information from Sumeria. Sorry, using ancient texts of pseudo-history and mythology doesn't make for a strong argument.

[malkor]

i have to agree with element there hence the search for the 'missing link' in human evolution which has gone on ever since the emergence of the theory of evolution

Every human being that has bred is a 'link' Even if you can find millions of links, there will always be something 'missing.'

[malkor]

Coming back to the reptilian thing. Instead of being ET's , they might be just from the earth. They might be the intelligent species of dinosaur times. Why don't we see remains, well we only know very little of dino's and other times so we can guess atleast. :D


It's conceivable, since it only takes about 10000 years for the Earth to swallow up every last remains of modern civilization. I imagine in a 100 million years, even structures like the great pyramids would be reduced to dust or swallowed up by the dunes.

It's totally in the realm of speculation and even if any advanced civilization did exist, they probably got wiped out by the same calamity that did in the dinos.

[drael]

What i heard was that all the local intelligent aliens are in some way related. The reptiles in that story were actually created beings, like the greys and humanity. The original stock, the lyrans, created the reptilians (who are synthetic beings, not organic beings - in some stories they were organic beings that synthetically coverted themselves) and end up fleeing their home planet to this galaxy, away from them. I think its called the thousand year war. Anyways, some come to earth (altanteans, and genetically create us from primates). The others evolve into the various plaedians, sirians, acturians etc that populate our galaxy. Of course the sirians eventually forced a peace with the reptiles, which is why they now rely on subterfuge.

As for language, most if not all of these aliens are said to be transdimensional in some fashion. Many, like the plaedians and sirians have powerful mind abilities.

Basically the idea that life is common in the galaxy, but the bipedal form and its kind of intelligence is not.

Anyway, thats the story i hear. In other words, the are meant to look like us for a reason, we are connected to all these aliens.

[deafbred]

Every human being that has bred is a 'link' Even if you can find millions of links, there will always be something 'missing.'

hmm...bred....bread? o you mean bred...am I a link? :o

[element]

And most of them got their information from Sumeria. Sorry, using ancient texts of pseudo-history and mythology doesn't make for a strong argument.

Using terms as pseudo-history does not make your argument any better. I'm not talking only about floods, ancient cultures around the globe, being ''unconected'' acc. to your beliefs had many, many similarities. This does make certain information interesting to look at. If you want to stick to ''official'' history, then fine.

[element]

Every human being that has bred is a 'link' Even if you can find millions of links, there will always be something 'missing.'

This is not just a missing link. It's many differences (dna,brain,complexity,feet,language) and the difference in we cannot adept to nature as good as apes, and other animals who are in balance with it.
This missing link ain't just minor. There was a sudden big change, and scientists admit this.

[legendary]

Every human being that has bred is a 'link' Even if you can find millions of links, there will always be something 'missing.'

i'm not talking about an individual being i'm talking about a species or multiple species, which is why so much fuss was raised about bigfoot, the yeti, sasquatch, etc because they provide a possible link before the evolution of the neandathol and yes i am very aware of the flaws in this theory, for example the fact we are around 10 times weaker than the apes we supposedly descended from which is hardly going to be advantageous in evolution hence why i accepted the possibility of what you said earlier

[sebastian]

I hope you guys realize that Big Foot type beings are not from this earthly plane. Therefore elusive and impossible to track.

[malkor]

Using terms as pseudo-history does not make your argument any better. I'm not talking only about floods, ancient cultures around the globe, being ''unconected'' acc. to your beliefs had many, many similarities. This does make certain information interesting to look at. If you want to stick to ''official'' history, then fine.

I don't stick with official history any more than unofficial history. There are times I'm prepared to accept the fact that we just don't know yet and an actual explanation once (if ever) discovered may be different from either theory.

[salamandras]

Every human being that has bred is a 'link' Even if you can find millions of links, there will always be something 'missing.'

Excellent way of putting it, thank you. :)