masonfree party: No Planes Theory

[christophera]

I would expect more debris than that from 2 110 story buildings ;)
If you look its mostly steel too .. where is the concrete?

In this image, the concrete just detonated from the 40th, or so, down.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8232/wtcsl8.jpg

[christophera]

Remember building 7 was pulled by controlled demolition and so the rubble pile was far greater than the twin towers despite it being half the size in height.
Thats why Silverstein said the pull it comment to make you think all 3 towers came down the same way...i suspect those photos are of building 7.

the perimeter walls of the twins are seen in many of the images. Others show the massive interior box columns that surrounded the concrete core.

Here is an image showing a tiny utility hall running inside the length to a segment of the huge core wall at its base (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1.core.wall.base.annot4.jpg). An interio box column stands at the left.

[stealth_0073]

Yeah man...Look at all these HUGE chunks of "dust". For reals.

nice fake photos
never trust a still photo that has clearly been manipulated

south tower completely vanished
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9345/nosteellr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


north tower
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/514/nosteel1vi3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[damagedbrainn]

Remember building 7 was pulled by controlled demolition and so the rubble pile was far greater than the twin towers despite it being half the size in height.
Thats why Silverstein said the pull it comment to make you think all 3 towers came down the same way...i suspect those photos are of building 7.

I actually tried to avoid posting any pictures of Building 7 debri since the OP was talking specifically about the towers. You can see the source of the photos by right clicking and checking "properties".

Are you familiar with the axiom, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall"? I honestly can't think of any way to teach somebody else common sense, which is what No Planers seem to lack the most. I really don't agree with the Controlled Demolition Theory either (though can see the possibility of explosives in the lower levels), but I can at least see the logic behind why others believe it. And the entire 911 conspiracy in general came in response to aspects of the official story that appear to violate common sense. But No Planers seem to view logic and common sense as themselves part of the conspiracy. It's just weird and "controversial" solely for the sake of being weird and controversial.

[damagedbrainn]

nice fake photos
never trust a still photo that has clearly been manipulated

south tower completely vanished


It hasn't "clearly been manipulated". It's only clear to you because you're so desperate to believe in this theory that you're willing to convince yourself that any video or photo that contradicts it is obviously "fake".

Case in point: You don't even know when, where, or from what vantage point that photo was taken.

[stealth_0073]

It hasn't "clearly been manipulated". It's only clear to you because you're so desperate to believe in this theory that you're willing to convince yourself that any video or photo that contradicts it is obviously "fake".

Case in point: You don't even know when, where, or from what vantage point that photo was taken.

its fake as i can see its fake ever herd of copy and paste & clone tool
in photoshop

another psyop trying to implant that their was loads of steel
left over.

[damagedbrainn]

its fake as i can see its fake ever herd of copy and paste & clone tool
in photoshop

another psyop trying to implant that their was loads of steel
left over.

So like, ALL the photos of the steel were photoshopped? Every single one of them? Is that really your best argument, or are you saving the big guns for later?

[masonfree party]

So like, ALL the photos of the steel were photoshopped? Every single one of them? Is that really your best argument, or are you saving the big guns for later?


take a look at www.drjudywood.com site for the real photos

[stealth_0073]

So like, ALL the photos of the steel were photoshopped? Every single one of them? Is that really your best argument, or are you saving the big guns for later?

Remember there was other buildings that came down after 911 all they done is
scattered the steel from those other buildings to give the impression that
there was loads of steel.


a couple of those photos look photo-chopped to me
i seen many fake photos of molten metal etc

[gutcassidy]

Yeah man...Look at all these HUGE chunks of "dust". For reals.

http://dart2.arc.nasa.gov/Deployments/NYC-WTC2001/images/LER049.jpg



You have posted a very interesting image here. The background shows the lower levels of world financial center two rising over the rubble pile. Here's a photo of the WFC 2 taken from the skylobby of the WTC 2 (Lower section bottom middle).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/NYfromWTC2.jpg

Heres a reminder of whats missing... Notice the lower section of the WFC 2 next to the 50 story section being constructed (bottom center of the image [rusty coloured dome]). That section of the building is, what, 8, 10 maybe even 12 storys tall? And it towers over the remnants of two 110 story skyscrapers and the 22 story WTC 3.

http://i.pbase.com/g6/71/685571/3/69112787.CSbQsQEO.jpg

[mrguitarbear]

How do No Planers explain the photograph taken of Flight 175 by Carmen Taylor with a digital camera ?

' 911 Revealed ' shows a photograph of Ms Taylor posing with her digital camera taken on September 11th itself ( p.82).

[thematrix]

Stealth:

I just went and downloaded your video - the 30 secs long greyscale vid showing the impact of the plane - what exactly does it show - and why is it important in the general scheme of things?

Some more questions for you:

i) When did you start researching 9/11 ?
ii) What is the source of your original footage you used to make that film?
iii) Do you understand that there were hundreds actually no thousands of eyewitnesses, first responders, clean up people etc etc who all witnessed first hand the debris, the dust, the twisted smashed steel, the bits of plane, the paper that got blown out of the towers.

I know that it is *possible* to photoshop any picture these days - but just because it could have been done it doesn't hold that it it was done. If the pictures of the aftermath (and of the actual impacts of planes) that are widely circulated didn't match up with what the eye witnesses saw - don't you think that a LOT of them would have spoken up about it?

Have you seen the Naudet brothers 911 film? After the first impact there are shots showing hundreds of people in the streets, shocked, watching the tower - this is just from the viewpoint of the guy making the film, do you think it is reasonable to assume that on all sides of the bulding there would likewise be hundreds of people looking up - others loking from their desks etc out of wndows who all would have seen the impact of the second plane?

iv) If you are saying that there were no planes, and or lots of the video footage and still photos we see today have been manipulated, what qualifies you to assert this? What experience in photography and CGI type effects work do you have?

v) if you have none - then whos expert opinion have you based your theories on?

vi) are you familiar with the concept of "occams Razor" ?

[masonfree party]

lol who is that?

oops...forgot the dr www.drjudywood.com

[masonfree party]

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logic bomb

pathetic politically correct bullshit...trying to spread the truth for gawds sake!..i've a good mind to dis obey ya

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[mercuryrapids]

While I don't agree with everything in September Clues, I'd like to see a high-quality version of it i.e. not a YouTube or Google Video version. Is the DVD on eBay just a rip from the net or a high-quality version?

[logic bomb]

C'mon masonfree party you are well aware of the Forum Guidelines regarding advertising. No need to be a big baby about it.. people aren't stupid they will work out how to find it and if not they can PM you can't they?

[christophera]

oops...forgot the dr www.drjudywood.com

Don't forget the video that utilizes evidence from 9-11 and presents a theory which is completely feasible with existing technology and is ONLY dependent on secrecy for execution.

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition II (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5255701680091399090&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)

See the web site too.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

[mrguitarbear]

I still think bombs are the most logical answer for why the Twin Towers came down , whether you are a No Planer or a Planer or whatever.

It makes sense that both the Twin Towers - and maybe also WTC 7 - would be rigged up for demolition permanently , in case of a real terrorist attack or structural damage.

If there was a danger of one of the Towers falling sideways and crashing into the streets of Manhattan ( possibly killing thousands ) then there would have to be a means of destroying that Tower in the safest possible way - and this would be to demolish it into its own footprint.

The Twin Towers and the WTC 7 could have been demolished in different ways in theory or in practice , but surely it would have been easiest to demolish them in the same way ? Occam's razor and all that.

[mrguitarbear]

Don't forget the video that utilizes evidence from 9-11 and presents a theory which is completely feasible with existing technology and is ONLY dependent on secrecy for execution.

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition II (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5255701680091399090&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)

See the web site too.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

I think the guy who did the videos is pretty much right , blowing out each floor would create the freefall momentum that we can see on the video footage of 9/11.

[christophera]

I think the guy who did the videos is pretty much right , blowing out each floor would create the freefall momentum that we can see on the video footage of 9/11.

And this 9-11 shows exactly that.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5860825099435530591&q=5860825099435530591&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Note the shallow "V" shape with the bottom of the "V" on the right building corner. The slope of the detonations across the building face roughly matches the slope of the tops of what can only be rebar of the concrete core shear walls.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

[masonfree party]

I was searching a few of my old threads in 2001 and remember seeing this lorry with the twin towers advertised on its side with the name of the drink brand and on the back was an all seeing eye symbol with the words 'there is more to it than meets the eye'...this was a few days after 911
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on the side of the lorry...and on the back a picture of an eye with the words...there's more to it than meets the eye.....can someone tell me what the fu*k is going on because these adverts have been on at least a few months....illuminati taking the piss or what or just co-incidence?

[dangermouse]

And this 9-11 shows exactly that.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5860825099435530591&q=5860825099435530591&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Note the shallow "V" shape with the bottom of the "V" on the right building corner. The slope of the detonations across the building face roughly matches the slope of the tops of what can only be rebar of the concrete core shear walls.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

hey christophera have you ever heard about the possible use of micronukes ?
people with tech = Israel + USA

[tribe_of_david]

I beleive there are signs everwhere if we choose to beleive in them when we see them. Regarding coincidences, How many times does something need to happen for it to stop being a coincidence ??

I would say i woke up the the inside job when reading about it via Alex Jones website and then doing my own research. Making my own conc,lusion with the facts available that the official story is just not beleivable, As with the Warren report.

[christophera]

hey christophera have you ever heard about the possible use of micronukes ?
people with tech = Israel + USA

Sure have, and that video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5860825099435530591&q=5860825099435530591&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0) I linked to, shows obvious delays which a nuke cannot be made to do. We see/hear a hundred or so detonations in a few seconds. Not likely that many nukes went off. Also the nature of the detonations is spread out semi horizontally across floors.

[drael]

Just thought id say....occams razor is dumb (in practice it equals explaination most fitting other preconceptions, not simplest - simplest would mean the least components, an entirely different proposition)

....Enjoy...

[dangermouse]

Sure have, and that video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5860825099435530591&q=5860825099435530591&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0) I linked to, shows obvious delays which a nuke cannot be made to do. We see/hear a hundred or so detonations in a few seconds. Not likely that many nukes went off. Also the nature of the detonations is spread out semi horizontally across floors.

I think it was William Deagle who was on about it, I think there had to be a number of different technologies at play

[beldazar]

masonfree party, I really feel for you! I know you have been banging on about this for ages, and no, it is no 'minor detail'
Although I have no real interest in any form of technology, this is a very important one, you are right, they used a invaluable force that should only be used for good, to murder 3000 people and who knows what else!

Its ok, the truth ALWAYS comes out in the end, hang in there laddie! :)

[truthdog]

My story is actually quite scary because it shows how oblivious and mind controlled people really are.

I was 13, and I was in my history class when all of a sudden we all heard this announcement about how a plane had crashed into the tower. Needless to say, I found myself ignoring it. I don't know why..

All I was thinking about was going home to play my Harry potter game. Pathetic really.

As soon as I got home, I popped in my game, and my moms boyfriend steps into the door. He asks me if I heard what was going on. I said, yeah, so? He said, Kendall two planes crashed into the twin towers, and a lot of people died! There was a just a terrorist attack!"

I was still oblivious, and it didn't register. He said, "Turn on the news."

and I am proud to stand up for myself and speak the TRUTH! THE truth shall prevail!

I said, "no I'm gonna play my game"

he said, turn on the news"

but I didn't. It was pretty sad. So I was just unaware of the whole until after I played my game I turned on the news, and thought, "wow. a terrorist attack"

so.. but still nothing, no emotion. This is because I used to be constantly addicted to video games, and other forms of entertainment, I could care less about the world, during that time. I do feel bad for that.

So, months from then, or a year I'm starting to notice people saying it was an inside job., And I'm thinking huh? What do you mean? By who? And my friend Ryan said, "The government did it"
and I rolled my eyes, and I thought.. yeah... So I was obviously not believing it at first.
Then I kept on hearing "9/11 was an inside job!"

Then I got this feeling inside of me that told me to look into it. So I did. And click after click , after click.. after click... I was visiting every website, and finding out more, and more, and more....and more.. and still more to this day.

then. I had a revelation. And I cried. and I thought. oh... my.... god.
People are completely mind controlled!

So yep. that's how society is today, well most of them. Oblivious, desensitized. Docile.

[truthdog]

It is 100% clear that 9/11 was an inside job.

Hitler did the same thing! This is not different with Bush.

Same person, different asshole!

1.) Hitler-bombed his own building and blamed it on communists terrorists.


Bush and gov,(bad people) blew up twin towers, and blamed it on Iraq.

Hitler sent his troups out into other countries, and there was WAR

Bush sent his troups out to other countries, and there is WAR

Hitler, established an act, in which there was the GESTAPO (AKA< HOMELAND SECURITY) to take away peoples rights and freedom.

Bush established Patriot act, and we now have HOMELAND SECURITY.


And you can bet your bottom dollar, that this country is on its way to collapse.

IT IS NO DIFFERENT>

THIS COUNTRY IS TURNING INTO NAZI GERMANY!

WAKE UP PEOPLE! WE ARE A DANGEROUS SITUATION. DANGEROUS!

[pac3lli]

Anybody seen a patent for an invisible, directed energy weapon capable of bringing a building down into it's own footprint? The Hutchison effect is conducted in a very confined and controlled space, and he requires a great deal of power to pull it off.

I'm very open minded toward this issue, but a red bull can and a piece of bent pipe are not conclusive evidence. How much power would it require to pull off the Hutchison effect on 2 concrete and steel buildings from 62 miles up?

[christophera]

Anybody seen a patent for an invisible, directed energy weapon capable of bringing a building down into it's own footprint? The Hutchison effect is conducted in a very confined and controlled space, and he requires a great deal of power to pull it off.

I'm very open minded toward this issue, but a red bull can and a piece of bent pipe are not conclusive evidence. How much power would it require to pull off the Hutchison effect on 2 concrete and steel buildings from 62 miles up?

Way more power than current DEW technology can be shown to produce.

http://www.deps.org/

[astro zombie]

I'll never forget when i woke up to it back in march 06.

I had been really interested in the subject of UFO's years prior, and listened to anti-establishment music like Megadeth and Sepultura, so the seeds were there.

It wasn't until i kept coming across David Icke's name all the time in UFO research, finally read about him, heard about his reptillian theory and thought it was ridiculous. It wasn't until out of curiosity i watched a 6-hour lecture by him on youtube, the one from 1999 right after the biggest secret came out, and my mind fucking exploded. You all know the shock i'm talking about...it's like a detox of the mind.

Yeah anyway after i watched that lecture i watched 'Loose Change 2nd edition' on google video and thats what did it for me.

[truthseeker1980]

I was working for Sky (lizard murdoch company) at the time and for some reason only one week earlier we had tv's fitted all alround the office showing all the news channels all day.

So I saw it from CNN, BBC and sky simulatniously. As soon as the first tower came down I said to everyone in the office that looks like a demolition, some agreed and then nothing was ever said about it again, for months.

So i thought there was more to it than met the eye the day it happened as the way all three towers fell was enough for me to start questioning.

but today is the day i have only just thought why SKY put the TV's around the office a week earlier, so we could all see it happen live, disgusting.

[john galt]

Zeitgeist. Someone sent me a link on MSN and said it was amazing, so I watched it one night and it WAS amazing. One part even made me cry. Then I wrote 6 pages in my diary summing up my thoughts on various stuff.

[phildee3]

I never questioned it.
When I saw the second tower fall, live on TV, it was bloody obvious!!!

[graflok]

A mason told me it was an inside job (true). He was a former workplace
acquaintance. I've always been suspicious of government but it hadn't really
occurred to me that it was a false flag operation until he mentioned it. Then I
looked into it and it became apparent to me.

Nice to know the freemasons are helping the truth movement. :D

[astro zombie]

Zeitgeist. Someone sent me a link on MSN and said it was amazing, so I watched it one night and it WAS amazing. One part even made me cry. Then I wrote 6 pages in my diary summing up my thoughts on various stuff.


Welcome to the real world my friend. I'm glad you made it hear!:cool::)

[talkingchimp]

i watched it happen and knew instantly this was the new pearl harbour

[brenbren]

My story is actually quite scary because it shows how oblivious and mind controlled people really are.

I was 13, and I was in my history class when all of a sudden we all heard this announcement about how a plane had crashed into the tower. Needless to say, I found myself ignoring it. I don't know why..

All I was thinking about was going home to play my Harry potter game. Pathetic really.

As soon as I got home, I popped in my game, and my moms boyfriend steps into the door. He asks me if I heard what was going on. I said, yeah, so? He said, Kendall two planes crashed into the twin towers, and a lot of people died! There was a just a terrorist attack!"

I was still oblivious, and it didn't register. He said, "Turn on the news."

and I am proud to stand up for myself and speak the TRUTH! THE truth shall prevail!

I said, "no I'm gonna play my game"

he said, turn on the news"

but I didn't. It was pretty sad. So I was just unaware of the whole until after I played my game I turned on the news, and thought, "wow. a terrorist attack"

so.. but still nothing, no emotion. This is because I used to be constantly addicted to video games, and other forms of entertainment, I could care less about the world, during that time. I do feel bad for that.

So, months from then, or a year I'm starting to notice people saying it was an inside job., And I'm thinking huh? What do you mean? By who? And my friend Ryan said, "The government did it"
and I rolled my eyes, and I thought.. yeah... So I was obviously not believing it at first.
Then I kept on hearing "9/11 was an inside job!"

Then I got this feeling inside of me that told me to look into it. So I did. And click after click , after click.. after click... I was visiting every website, and finding out more, and more, and more....and more.. and still more to this day.

then. I had a revelation. And I cried. and I thought. oh... my.... god.
People are completely mind controlled!

So yep. that's how society is today, well most of them. Oblivious, desensitized. Docile.

i was 9 when i saw 9/11 and i was 15 when i first saw zeitgeist, and i believed it, but i went back to my normal life. Then a few months ago, i started watching the videos again, and i believed in it all, it was a pretty mind blowing half term, but i spent the next 6 weeks trying to forget all of that.

but not now, i feel like i'm ready to grasp onto the anti-NWO theory and the ideals behind it. that's why i quoted you, because i feel my experience is the same, people are oblivious, and it's so easy to live in this forged reality.

recently i had an argument with one of my friends over msn when i linked him to the david icke speach on the by-election, his excuses not to spend 3hours educating himself? "too long","cba","i only care if its relevant to me and it isnt". so he's probably watching "The Happening" right now, oblivious, and not willing to do anything about it, because he feels he doesnt have to.

your point about desensitised is true, we are dehumanised too, there are a lot of pictures on the news of suicide bombings, civilian deaths, and recently about knife crime. is this an agenda to make us desensitised? it could well be.

[phaid]

Having watched loads of demolition jobs on film and TV, as soon as I saw the first tower collapse, I said 'I don't believe it' as it looked exactly like a planned takedown and not down to a plane crashing into it.

Of course the propaganda machine went into action straight away, and instead of trusting my intuition (as one always should) I found myself swept along by the 'Bin Laden did it' BS until the first people questioning it started to appear on the web and I started to think I'd been right all along.

Early on, I do remember discussing it with people who agreed that whoever pulled it off, it was a fantastic bit of planning and execution but nobody seemed to question that it might NOT have been by order of some bloke in a cave in Afghanistan with a cellphone.

Doh!

[mynameis]

Way more power than current DEW technology can be shown to produce.

http://www.deps.org/

What do you mean by posting this? Any continuous or burst laser weapons are very large or unable to have much range. If there is a weapon with this capability then there would have to be an obvious platform for destroying the towers to what NPT claims is, the dustification and evaporation of concrete/steel, which is laughable.

[christophera]

What do you mean by posting this? Any continuous or burst laser weapons are very large or unable to have much range. If there is a weapon with this capability then there would have to be an obvious platform for destroying the towers to what NPT claims is, the dustification and evaporation of concrete/steel, which is laughable.

If one reads the various links from that site the level of development is very clearly inadequate to do what NPT or DEW pomoters are trying to assert.

I post it as proof the technology is not developed enough.

[christophera]

THIS COUNTRY IS TURNING INTO NAZI GERMANY!

WAKE UP PEOPLE! WE ARE A DANGEROUS SITUATION. DANGEROUS!

Correct, and without the true structural design of the Twins the truth movement will be a manipulated failure.

[mr_pixie]

Yeah man...Look at all these HUGE chunks of "dust". For reals.

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/world_trade_center/docs/ln_wtc32.jpg

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/wtc-6.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_VCFu_YuQhao/RfarPgj1P2I/AAAAAAAABI4/O10fB_pG0zo/wtc.jpg

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2001-09/636212.jpg

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2001/09/22/image312150x.jpg

http://dart2.arc.nasa.gov/Deployments/NYC-WTC2001/images/LER049.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/September_14_2001_Ground_Zero_01.jpg/393px-September_14_2001_Ground_Zero_01.jpg

What's the soure of these photo's ??

Did you know the diggers started making piles of dirt mixed with the small amout of rubble from day one!

[sven]

hi, i was just messing around on the internet, a few years ago, i had been on that massive anti-war march in london and it took 4 to 5 hours just to walk the circut, saw the police trying to cause aggrevation, got home watched the news reports and realised thry were lying about the number of people that had turned up, so i was on the internets and typing george bush loves tony blair bush is gay and one thing lead to another and i ended up at infowars bush gay pawn star jeff gannon, then the twin towers, intently watching all the videos and then WTC 7, i didn't kknow about a 3rd building and when you watch wtc7 being demolished by controlled demo, there was no way back, then 911 mysteries pt one , i remember the chill down the spine i got, my paradym , my world, my safe little world gone, but there is one thing i am grateful for and that is i now know that there is you lot, you, you that care, i may not know you and i may never know you but at least i know you care. sven

[dark86]

everyone here cares Sven :-)
but unfortunately the dumbed down organic robots need a little kick.

i was sceptical on the day, and something did not feel right, all media had the same story, it was all too 'uniform.' when they put tanks at Heathrow a few days later i knew that this was all planned by the governments.



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[montag]

I read this interview with Lyndon LaRouche about five years ago, this was the first I'd heard of 911 being an inside job..
http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2001/010922rad_radicale.html

[vril]

I was in 9th grade when it happened. I woke up that morning and my mom had the news on. "Someone flew planes into the world trade towers!" she exclaimed. "Doesn't it just make you sick?!"

I must admit, like Truthdog, I kind of shrugged it off at first. I figured everyone knows the world is a shitty place. These things happen. Not only did it not register with me that something wasn't right, but I didn't even think it was that big of a deal...

My parents are divorced but I saw my dad later that day. He's been awake to what's going on in the world for a very long time. He told me that the government would use the "attacks" to justify the taking away of freedoms and possibly a war. He had/has a lot influence over me as I admire him greatly and so I believed him. But, it wasn't until years later that I actually looked into it myself.

I watched a few videos online, got David Icke's book on 9/11 and had a few "deep" conversations with my dad on these subjects. It didn't take long after that for me to understand what had really happened. Well, maybe not the exact details, but the general idea: That there exists a deeply malevolent force which operates through the puppet politicians of the world, and this force (call it the Illuminati, the reptilians, whatever you want) was ultimately responsible for the horrors of that day.

[montag]

I watched a few videos online, got David Icke's book on 9/11 and had a few "deep" conversations with my dad on these subjects.
Your very lucky to have a father like that develop that sought of awareness at an early age, most parents nowadays because of the heavy social indoctrination of teenagers are unable to hold a conversation with their children at all.

[vril]

Your very lucky to have a father like that develop that sought of awareness at an early age, most parents nowadays because of the heavy social indoctrination of teenagers are unable to hold a conversation with their children at all.

No kidding :) I love him deeply. He is actually the only person I know in "real life" that I can talk to about these things.

[bones]

absolutly ppl there is a dvd out there trying to tell ppl 9/11 was a inside job and it gets sensored in a free speech forum!!!

my personal opinion is if you find a dvd that needs to be reached to as many as possible then why not advertise it?

lets relax the forum rules a little on this?

[cluas]

this video is supposed to be free. Now someone has decided to make money out of it ??? :eek:

There is also high quality versions on youtube ...... IMO noone should make money on this ;)

I would still encourage every one to see this excellent work ....

[dave52]

Social Service has been talking about a DVD version of September Clues, but there's been no mention of it on the Truth Movement Forum (http://forum.911movement.org/), which is kinda the unofficial official NPT Forum.

I'm guessing this is some sort of youtube rip rather than an official DVD. I can't wait for the actual version to come out on DVD though!

[mercuryrapids]

I got the DVD just to see what it was like. It has September Clues and a bunch of other stuff (Judy Wood, Morgan Reynolds etc.) that are all net-quality videos. Watchable, but not great.

[dave52]

all net-quality videos. Watchable, but not great.

That's what I thought. Once there is an official SC DVD release I'll be getting it.

[joyful]

I watched 9/11 Revisited (video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939) in 2006. No commentary, all news clips

[who elsie]

The first incling I got that it was an inside job was just days after 9/11, when people at work were discussing the events and one bloke said, 'Of course, there is a theory that it was all done by the Americans themselves.' At which point everyone turned and looked at him incredulously. Looking back he showed incredible insight, but he then ruined it by adding, "Of course, I don't believe it. Much too far fetched". I thought so at the time too, but perhaps a seed was planted, because about 18 months later I came across Ickes book on 9/11 and the rest is history!

[masonfree party]

yes just to make it clear it costs around 15p to list each auction... 36p first class stamp.. 30p paypal fee... 40p cost of dvd and abit for packaging..what profit i make goes into 911 campaign materials...8ft banner cost me £45 ..at least i get off my butt and try and make a difference.

ok quality could be improved but i think its still an excellent dvd with loads of great info ...

[bones]

yes just to make it clear it costs around 15p to list each auction... 36p first class stamp.. 30p paypal fee... 40p cost of dvd and abit for packaging..what profit i make goes into 911 campaign materials...8ft banner cost me £45 ..at least i get off my butt and try and make a difference.

ok quality could be improved but i think its still an excellent dvd with loads of great info ...

ide only back you and anyone else if all the profits goes back into helping the freedom movement.

good on you masonfree!!!

[mercuryrapids]

yes just to make it clear it costs around 15p to list each auction... 36p first class stamp.. 30p paypal fee... 40p cost of dvd and abit for packaging..what profit i make goes into 911 campaign materials...8ft banner cost me £45 ..at least i get off my butt and try and make a difference.

ok quality could be improved but i think its still an excellent dvd with loads of great info ...

Which reminds me, I need to leave feedback... :)

By the way, I wasn't complaining about the DVD and I liked the way the '9/11 Was An Inside Job' peered out from the envelope window... lol (see thread in General (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30693)) :D

[lookfar]

this video is supposed to be free. Now someone has decided to make money out of it ??? :eek:

There is also high quality versions on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eie1lDKDNxA) ...... IMO noone should make money on this ;)

I would still encourage every one to see this excellent work ....

Surely if this vid is meant to be free, then why not just post the link to it rather than the Ebay one? (Thanks cluas for doing this:))

Ebay links are a form of advertising & are against the forum guidelines. On the odd occasion they are sometimes allowed, but only if permission has been sought from DI Admin first. Sorry guys but those are the rules we all abide by on here.

[john white]

Social Service has been talking about a DVD version of September Clues, but there's been no mention of it on the Truth Movement Forum (http://forum.911movement.org/), which is kinda the unofficial official NPT Forum.

I'm guessing this is some sort of youtube rip rather than an official DVD. I can't wait for the actual version to come out on DVD though!

If your wondering why, its becuase a high quality copy of Simon Shack's "work" will make his fraud far too obvious becuase unlike a you tube version, it will be immediately apparent how he has deliberately used low quality footage

[lookfar]

Guys can we quit the personal insults in here please. I believe everyone is entitled to their own views without being attacked by anyone else because of them, let's try to be mature about this:)

[john white]

BTW, just in case anyone is wondering, if Icke DID support No Planes: so what?

I'll simply disagree with him, as I disagree with him about some other issues


TRUTH IS TRUTH

And courage is courage: including the courage not to be a follower

[i_am]

Only one person in this thread throwing personal insults, but for some reason the Mods do nothing about it... Sorry if that sounds a little short Lookfar, but that's how it appears to me.






With due respect dave, seeing as we do not divulge what has gone on between another member and moderators, you would have no idea what action is taken against whom.

If you wish to discuss moderation issues please do not do it on the threads.

[mr_pixie]

Surely if this vid is meant to be free, then why not just post the link to it rather than the Ebay one?

Not everyone goes or gets the time to go on these types of forums, so I think MFP is doing a great job in reaching people who might not get access to cheap dvds and important info.

[mynameis]

Where is your proof that an energy weapon was used. Surely you have proof. Oh wait that's right. You don't have one single iota that such a weapon exists. Furthermore, due to current technology restraints and logical approaches to technology as Woods who is pulling the wool over your eyes, I've previously pointed out are impossible.

1.) Mechanisms for such a device are too large.

2.) Such a device would be seen with the naked eye if used from a platform.

3.) Such a device cannot be fired from orbit.

4.) Such a device with continuous operation or burst operation for the size of the structure you are talking does not exist in exercise or in theoretical planning stages.

[lookfar]

Not everyone goes or gets the time to go on these types of forums, so I think MFP is doing a great job in reaching people who might not get access to cheap dvds and important info.

That may well be the case, but what we're talking about here is abiding by the forum guidelines & it's quite simple - personal ebay links are not allowed.

[doyouknowyourdead]

Where is your proof that an energy weapon was used. Surely you have proof. Oh wait that's right. You don't have one single iota that such a weapon exists. Furthermore, due to current technology restraints and logical approaches to technology as Woods who is pulling the wool over your eyes, I've previously pointed out are impossible.

1.) Mechanisms for such a device are too large.

2.) Such a device would be seen with the naked eye if used from a platform.

3.) Such a device cannot be fired from orbit.

4.) Such a device with continuous operation or burst operation for the size of the structure you are talking does not exist in exercise or in theoretical planning stages.

Unless you are a high up member of the military elite and have documented evidence of the military's technological capabilities, I can't take points 1 through 4 as fact. The technology may very well exist, as the John Hutchison Effect may be able to verify.

What I CAN take as fact is that there was molten metal at Ground Zero, and a controlled demo could not have the strength to produce it. It is also a fact that cars were flipped and toasted during the event, which is again, something that a controlled demo could not have caused. There's an arsenal of compelling support for NPT, and the theory is gaining recognition and respect as it is being studied.

[mercuryrapids]

MFP is just covering his postage costs. And selling the dvds for only a few £quid.

I have to admit, I do the same. Not that anybody has ordered any from my website... lol... But they're there if anybody wants em. :)

[masonfree party]

if you want to spread the 911 message then i suggest doing an indoor car boot...take a tv/dvd player with you and play a dvd like september clues...you'll soon have them queuing up to buy the dvd...nothing better than tv infomercials or the elite wouldnt spend millions on tv adverts

[john white]

Unless you are a high up member of the military elite and have documented evidence of the military's technological capabilities, I can't take points 1 through 4 as fact. The technology may very well exist, as the John Hutchison Effect may be able to verify.

First lets verify there IS a "Hutchinson effect" in the first place: there is NOT: its a fantasy

What I CAN take as fact is that there was molten metal at Ground Zero, and a controlled demo could not have the strength to produce it

Belief

It is also a fact that cars were flipped and toasted during the event

It is NOT: they were dragged out of the basement carparks where petrol tank fires took place

, which is again, something that a controlled demo could not have caused

Damage to the cars caused the fires its not too difficult.

There's an arsenal of compelling support for NPT, and the theory is gaining recognition and respect as it is being studied.

More fantasy

[lookfar]

Lookfar,

I was responing to your coments here.

MFP is just covering his postage costs. And selling the dvds for only a few £quid. anyway we do post all sorts of links for no Planes, Judy Wood Morgon Ryenolds etc. But we end up being called disinfo agents, insluted and atacked or if we over do it with the links people just lose intrest.

I like your Avertar, very sexy!

Hi mr_pixie:)

The reason has already been explained in previous posts, we cannot allow personal advertising, the free link would've been enough in this instance without the ebay link.

Thanks for the av comment, I'm glad you like it, I do too;)

[dave52]

I never even said I'd provide them. Go on quote me: you'll find I said I could: not that I would or will


John, you said in this thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26628&page=5)
Wheres your science?

Guess what I've got on my "side" here pal? Shall I post the equations?

Its more than you can! But of course, you wouldnt understand them anyway

And I'm still waiting for your equations. The thing of it is, I think physics is on my side and I'm yet to see it proved wrong. You either have the equations or you don't. If you don't post them, I cannot see your side of the argument, it also leads me to believe that you don't have them. Sorry mate, but that is how it will look...

[masonfree party]

Killtown
Questioning the 9/11 attacks...
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2008/07/lawson-uses-deception-insidious.html
July 16, 2008
Lawson uses 'deception, insidious innuendo, misdirection and lies' on eBay
Anthony Lawson is a 10% truther because he spends most of his time trying to debunk September Clues because, as he puts it, Sept Clues is full of "deception, insidious innuendo, misdirection and lies."


I've been challenging him on his Sept Clues debunk attempt claims at Pilots For Truth forum (you'll have to log in), but he still refuses to back up his work (doesn't seem too confident in his work, does he?).



Now someone is selling a video on UK eBay they entitle "September Clues - 9/11 Conspiracy DVD" that looks like is the original September Clues when viewing the top section of the webpage:




However, when you scroll down to the second have of this item for sale, you see that it's not the original September Clues, but in fact Anthony Lawson's debunk attempt video:




SEPTEMBER CLUES

Exposing the deception, insidious innuendo, misdirection and lies in the “September Clues” series of videos, which many scholars and others have mistaken for the truth about some of the events that happened on that terrible day: September 11, 2001. Hopefully, this video will make them realise that they have been deliberately mislead. (By the author of "WTC7 - This is an Orange") Content: Where necessary, some of the shots in this video have been enlarged, slowed down, or have had indicators or stop motion techniques applied to them. No other visual manipulations or additions have been made.
ALL DVDS ARE COME IN PLASTIC SLEEVES.

THESE DVDS ARE NOT SOLD FOR PROFIT HENCE THEIR CHEAPNESS, THEY ARE SOLD ONLY AS A MEANS TO GET THIS SUPRESSED INFO OUT TO THE PUBLIC!

Lawson's debunk attempt video is called September Clues - Busted!, not September Clues.


It looks like Lawson (or whoever posted this item) was deliberately trying to mislead people in thinking it is the original September Clues because the original is also up for sale on UK eBay:



So who is guilty of "deception, insidious innuendo, misdirection and lies" now Lawson?


Hat tip: mason-free party.

[masonfree party]

Killtown exposes liar Lawson...with my help of course

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2008/07/lawson-uses-deception-insidious.html

[masonfree party]

Welcome aboard Dave! what took you so long:)



Wednesday, 16 July 2008
David Icke on the Jeff Rense Show Tonight

David will be on for the last two hours of the show, which runs from 7pm to 10pm Pacific Time, and that's 4am to 6am Thursday morning UK time.

Click here to listen ...

Wednesday, 16 July 2008
September Clues: where are the planes?


What was the role of the mainstream media on 9/11?

[allure]

I would say David himself rarely chooses the headlines that appear on the headlines page.

No planes? OK, explain the live footage and the witnesses?

So every news team would need to have been in on it, and every reporter there that day. I watched live as the second plane hit, what was I watching?

The no planes thing is silly disinfo that makes everything else appear silly. You gotta wonder who instigates these wild theories!

[loderlive]

I would say David himself rarely chooses the headlines that appear on the headlines page.

No planes? OK, explain the live footage and the witnesses?

So every news team would need to have been in on it, and every reporter there that day. I watched live as the second plane hit, what was I watching?

The no planes thing is silly disinfo that makes everything else appear silly. You gotta wonder who instigates these wild theories!

So if he does not choose the headlines on his own site, who does?

[cheshirecat]

There were loads of black ops running that day as we all know.

There is so much work to do we shouldn't squabble with each other over minor points.

[john white]

There were loads of black ops running that day as we all know.

There is so much work to do we shouldn't squabble with each other over minor points.

Look: you have to understand you are not dealing with a "normal" set of beliefs here

Their is a whole history of fraud deception and wilful abuse of people looking for truth behind ALL the major players in NPT, they are sophisticated, they are ruthless, and they absolutely will stop at nothing, and regrettably I've come to know far too much about it because I've had no choice but to be exposed to it through being a mod of a 9/11 site and seeing all the bullshit games first hand

Converts like MFP want nothing more than to DOMINATE 9/11 Truth and see their cult beliefs the only ones accepted. He wont even try to deny that! Look at how pleased he is creating a bogus drama about Anthony Lawson and running off to Killtown to "expose" NOTHING like a giggling schoolboy on this very forum this very evening! How delighted he is to spread smear after smear after smear and avoid all responsibility: like his constant attempts to smear me as a Mason or a paid agent of MI5 simply becuase I dare to oppose his programmed reality. What does he need evidence for? He doesnt give a damn

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=423048#post423048

There are only two choices in this situation:

That is clear and obvious fraud being constantly pushed on this or any other Truthseeking community AS truth

Ignore it and walk away FROM 9/11 Truth, the quest for truth in general

Or oppose it and expose it when one comes across it

Which is the right course of action?

You tell me

But you can talk about "we shouldn't squabble" as much as you like: that only works when all parties are acting in good faith and playing by the same rules

THEY ARE NOT

The ONLY positive in this situation is that with the focus on this community (WHY? 'Cos the pure 9/11 sites simply wont tolerate it anymore, but here the nicer attitude allows them to get away with it and entrench themselves) there is less opportunity to spread this garbage somehwere else

Its NOT the idea of NPT which is garbage: Its not "cant get their minds round it"

Its simply that ALL the evidence claimed for it is sexed up and faked up deliberately to deceive because NPT is a deliberate ACT of deception:

Well sorry, my view is SOD accommodating that:

It is all a tissue of farce and its really not hard to see through the pushers if one actually tries

[quetzalcoatl]

I would say David himself rarely chooses the headlines that appear on the headlines page.

No planes? OK, explain the live footage and the witnesses?

So every news team would need to have been in on it, and every reporter there that day. I watched live as the second plane hit, what was I watching?

The no planes thing is silly disinfo that makes everything else appear silly. You gotta wonder who instigates these wild theories!

You raise an excellent point.

Could go with a 'No Plane' 'Theory' in regards to the Pentagon strike. Yet, I'm pretty sure dem were planes of some-sort that hit The Twin Towers; weather they were piloted & passenger heavy is assumed speculation/conjecture - just as an augmented pay-load on the sighted 'flights' or 'decoy planes' can't be written off.

Either-way, the complete story is filled with holes & science defying 'magic fire'.. so woteva da fine details are is irrelevant & we mustn't let 'em get away with it.

:mad:

[tribe_of_david]

Welcome aboard Dave! what took you so long:)



Wednesday, 16 July 2008
David Icke on the Jeff Rense Show Tonight

David will be on for the last two hours of the show, which runs from 7pm to 10pm Pacific Time, and that's 4am to 6am Thursday morning UK time.

Click here to listen ...

Wednesday, 16 July 2008
September Clues: where are the planes?


What was the role of the mainstream media on 9/11?


Where is the link ??

[i_am]

Where is the link ??

From the Headlines page

Wednesday, 16 July 2008
David Icke on the Jeff Rense Show Tonight

David will be on for the last two hours of the show, which runs from 7pm to 10pm Pacific Time, and that's 4am to 6am Thursday morning UK time.

Just over an hour by my reckoning so go to the headlines and scroll down for the link

[tribe_of_david]

From the Headlines page

Wednesday, 16 July 2008
David Icke on the Jeff Rense Show Tonight

David will be on for the last two hours of the show, which runs from 7pm to 10pm Pacific Time, and that's 4am to 6am Thursday morning UK time.

Just over an hour by my reckoning so go to the headlines and scroll down for the link

Thankyou i_am

I think im listening to the correct channel, Currently talking about a prosecutor Vincent Buyosi,

LINK = http://www.rense.com/general57/notice.htm

[cb_brooklyn]

http://drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/jjpics/DSC04644_ss.jpg

http://drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/jjpics/DSC04645_ss.jpg

http://drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/jjpics/DSC04647_ss.jpg

http://drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/jjpics/DSC04649_ss.jpg

http://drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/jjpics/DSC04651_ss.jpg

[gribz]

It is 100% clear that 9/11 was an inside job.

Hitler did the same thing! This is not different with Bush.

Same person, different asshole!

1.) Hitler-bombed his own building and blamed it on communists terrorists.


Bush and gov,(bad people) blew up twin towers, and blamed it on Iraq.

Hitler sent his troups out into other countries, and there was WAR

Bush sent his troups out to other countries, and there is WAR

Hitler, established an act, in which there was the GESTAPO (AKA< HOMELAND SECURITY) to take away peoples rights and freedom.

Bush established Patriot act, and we now have HOMELAND SECURITY.


And you can bet your bottom dollar, that this country is on its way to collapse.

IT IS NO DIFFERENT>

THIS COUNTRY IS TURNING INTO NAZI GERMANY!

WAKE UP PEOPLE! WE ARE A DANGEROUS SITUATION. DANGEROUS!

Fully agree with your post except Afghanistan got the blame to start with. Iraq had jack shit to do with 9/11. They were blamed for having WMD which was proved a lie also.

[malkor]

I think both theories have to be considered. While there is at least one live footage of a plane hitting one of the twin towers, I'd have to say that no plane hit the Pentagon and no plane was shot down in Pennsylvania. There is simple no wreckage to account plane crashes at those sites when compared to actual footage of plane crashes.

Another thing to consider is that there were eye witnesses who saw a plane allegedly crash into the Pentagon site, though clearly no wreckage can account for it. What exactly did they see if anything? Perhaps a low flying guided cruise missile disguised to appear like a plane?

[dave52]

If one reads the various links from that site the level of development is very clearly inadequate to do what NPT or DEW pomoters are trying to assert.

I post it as proof the technology is not developed enough.

Have you ever heard of the Nazi "Bell" developed in the early 40's and probably acquired by the US under the auspices of Operation Paperclip at the end of WW2?

The problem with future combat systems is that the man in the street cannot possibly verify the existance of them. How long was stealth tech flying around before anyone knew about it? What about the two space programs hypothesis?

[romas]

Divide, confuse and conquer techniques by TPTB ?
It's same with UFO and ancient history communities, the most important factor is ridicule in public eyes to keep them from digging more information, nothing to see here folks, move along! Here watch american gladiators and shut the fuck up!

Veni, vidi, vici - Isn't this the basic code of conduct in district of columbia?

[christophera]

Have you ever heard of the Nazi "Bell" developed in the early 40's and probably acquired by the US under the auspices of Operation Paperclip at the end of WW2?

The problem with future combat systems is that the man in the street cannot possibly verify the existance of them. How long was stealth tech flying around before anyone knew about it? What about the two space programs hypothesis?

Stealth flight came along with graphite carbon fiber molding technology more than anything.

There are people that believe that the satellites ability to read newsprint is a threat to privacy. They don't know that the telescope cannot be pointed without major difficulty.

Gov wants you believing it is omnipotent with technology. It is not. Sure advanced, but we pay for it and defense industry people are citizens so the word gets out.

[dave52]

Sure advanced, but we pay for it and defense industry people are citizens so the word gets out.


We don't pay for all of it, the drug trade covers a large amount of the Black Projects, that way these people don't need to stay accountable.

[christophera]

We don't pay for all of it, the drug trade covers a large amount of the Black Projects, that way these people don't need to stay accountable.

I suppose you are right in one way. Then again, are we not paying twice and more painfully in another?

[thematrix]

you guys are all seriously missing the point I think.

i) it IS possible to think that real planes hit the towers while believing that some kind of black op Directed Energy Weapon was used to assist in destroying the twin towers and WTC7.

ii) The Hutchinson effect is real and not fantasy.

iii) September Clues is an *awful* 911 vid that uses bad arguments and bad evidence based on very poor quality footage with little to no expertise that has been ripped apart on several websites.

but the point is:

WHO CARES WHAT HAPPENED ON 911

what matters is WHY it happened and WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE

if everyone in the "twoof movement" as it is often referred to could stop arguing the toss over which theory is best and actually started pressuring the right people with the right arguments maybe the movement could move forwards and actually force the powers that be to have a real investigation into the whole thing. All of the arguing and in fighting and random belief in ridiculous theories that are totally unsupported by any of the evidence in the public domain (and there is actually very little solid evidence to work with) keeps everything marginalised and out of the way.

Here is a pertinent question about 911 that NOONE seems to ask. Prefer arguing about their own pet theories they seem to...

The NORAD response to hijacked aircraft was available on the internet for anyone to read pre 911. It detailed more or less what NORADs response was to a hijack/plane not responding as per normal flight path etc would be.

If the FDR data is correct Flight 77 took off flew several hundred miles away then it got hijacked turned around - flew back straight towards the "most heavily defended airspace in the world" on a direct course and landed a direct hit (according to the official story) on the Pentagon. The nerve centre and highly symbolic target for any would be terrorists. We are told that they (they being Al Queda apparently) planned 911 for 3 years.

It strikes me as incredibly inept planning to fly directly to the Pentagon in the hopes of hitting it. Somewhat astounding that the hijackers didn't plan for that given that the info they needed was easily accessible. Totally unbelievable that after two aircraft strikes to the US with a plane they knew dam well was heading in their drection that no action was taken.

Here is my question:

How come noone at NORAD has been disciplined publically for this gross incompetence at the very least - and why is it seemingly so simple to score a direct hit in the most heavily defended airspace - a slight course correction would have hit the white house ffs.

THAT is the kind of thing that might attract the attention and support of the public into demanding better answers over 911.

Instead people seem content with peddling their pet theories and calling other posters that they have never met names on the internet.

Well done guys - I am sure that that will accomplish a lot.

Bravo.

[edelweiss pirate]

iii) September Clues is an *awful* 911 vid that uses bad arguments and bad evidence based on very poor quality footage with little to no expertise that has been ripped apart on several websites.


How come noone at NORAD has been disciplined publically for this gross incompetence at the very least - and why is it seemingly so simple to score a direct hit in the most heavily defended airspace - a slight course correction would have hit the white house ffs.


So what do you make of the 'nose in nose out' footage?

And secondly to answer your second point: because it was an inside job ordered by highly placed freemasons who also control the media and pretty much any channel of investigation.

[thematrix]

So what do you make of the 'nose in nose out' footage?

low quality misinterpereted video - made a fuss of sometime after the event by people with no relevant expertise.

I don't think there is anything wong with asking questions - and looking seriously at no planes theory. The people who support such theories deserve an answer as much as the next person.

I do believe there is more than enough evidence in the public domain to disprove such theories beyond any reasonbale doubt though.


And secondly to answer your second point: because it was an inside job ordered by highly placed freemasons who also control the media and pretty much any channel of investigation.

I wouldn't be so quick to blame "Freemasons" - I think you can pretty much guarantee that whoever is running the show they aren't known of at all in the public domain. While we can safely say that some freemasons are evil we can also safely say that some <insert your preferred collective here> are evil.

The government is run by the people for the people. (or at least is is sold to us as such) If enough people stood up and demanded a proper independant scientific thorough investigation of 911 it WOULD happen.

[john white]

I don't fear you, I just wonder why a moderator would continue to turn a blind eye to such behaviour...

Exhibit A - The 911 & NPT - Objective Q&A Thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31070)

A perfectly good thread that could've blossomed into an interesting discussion. Killed off by John's Response:



That isn't entering into debate, that is trolling. And the problem is that people will get fed up with it and then not bother to enter into discussions because they know full well that he will jump in and kill things off. Why would you allow that to continue?

Oh no Dave, its NOT trolling: its an accurate observation

I know there a fair number of naive people on this website: but i'm not one of them

And when we have some"brand" new member suddenly join the site with their "objective" thread about NPT that suprise suprise says: hey! I ended up supporting NPT" oh yes, the bullshit can be smelled a mile away

Its a lie, its some "NPT" hero come to tell a story to get people to buy into: its nothing to do with honesty OR truth, but feeding people on this forum bullshit in order to TRY to get them to believe lies

It happens on EVERY forum unfortunate enough to be infested with NPT spammers: not that there are many of those now: the tricks are too well known

[masonfree party]

9/11 Cultwatch To Speak At Anarchist Studies Network Conference
This September Loughborough University hosts the Anarchist Studies Network conference.
Joining in the debates and discussions, to be held between Thursday 4th and Saturday 6th September, will be 9/11 Cultwatch's Larry O'Hara and Paul Stott.
You can find more details of the presentation "Half Truth Movement - The Dangers of the 9/11 Truth Cult" here.