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09-02-2009, 02:47 PM

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Mass Graves Of Children Found Near Montreal

Duplessis Children

Greg Szymanski - Arctic Beacon || April 14, 2006

Pierre Sampson, now 60, is calling for justice an an open investigation to stop the murder of innocent children in government sponsored child experimentation programs. More than 50,000 children said to be illegally experimented but crooked officials on both sides of the border blocking investigation.

Another Duplessis Orphan has come forward with horror stories, including electro shock therapy, straight jacket sessions and mind altering drugs injections after being subjected to illegal government experimentation programs as a young child.

Pierre Sampson, 60, of Vancouver, Canada endured the torturous treatment for six long years until at the age of 14 when he finally escaped.

But thousands of other Duplessis Orphans weren't as lucky, as investigators recently uncovered a mass grave outside of Montreal where the bones of hundreds of children are buried in a mass grave.

Called the "pigsty" since the grave site is located next to a hog farm, Rod Vienneau, whose wife was also a child victim, said a push is now underway to exhume the bodies with strong resistance from governments on both side of the border, both denying any involvement in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary.

"I have been researching this atrocity for more than 10 years since my wife went public about being abused as one of the orphans," said Rod Vienneau this week on Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal, regarding the Duplessis Orphans, who may number more than 50,000 and named after former Prime Minister Maurice Duplessis, a key figure in the child experimentation cover-up. Duplessis Children

"We have documentation proving the link among with the CIA, the United States government and the Canadian government, all of them willing accomplices to the illegal experimentation of children.

"Thousands of children have died, thousands of others have endured great suffering and there remains about 3,000 surviving victims we know about who are still seeking justice. What's even more astonishing is that the illegal experimentation is still taking place while we speak."

Sampson, who went public for the first time in the United States on The Investigative Journal, is one of tens of thousands of children who were reduced to experimental guinea pigs by unscrupulous doctors, some known Nazi war criminals in a CIA program starting in the 1950's

Recently, a Canadian high court in 2004 awarded damages to adult mind control victims in a related case, pinning the CIA with responsibility as well as their unscrupulous doctors, including Dr. Ewin Cameron.

For a further look at Dr. Cameron's nefarious activities, a book called The Most Dangerous Game traces the history of top-secret CIA mind control operation MK-ULTRA: from the covert importation of NAZI scientists at the end of WWII, to the illegal brainwashing experiments conducted on the patients of psychiatric researcher, Dr Cameron

The same type of testing Dr Cameron and others performed on adults is now being traced to innocent children, as advocates for the Duplessis Orphans contend their evil knows no age limits.

Regarding Sampson's personal story, he said at the age of six he was transferred from a Catholic orphanage to a mental institution even though he was both mentally and physically sound as church and civil authorities overnight changed his paperwork, indicating he was mentally ill.

"After researching what happened," said Sampson, who also appeared this week on The Investigative Journal. "The Church made a deal with the government to turn over perfectly healthy children in return for money, giving the doctors the ability to experiment at will since we were all considered insane.

"To this day my records haven't been changed. Although I have never been mentally ill, my records still haven't been changed."

The link Sampson makes between the infiltrated Catholic Church and corrupted civil authorities is disturbing, indicating a consolidation of corruption not only in government but extending all the way to Rome and beyond.

According to Vienneau and Sampson, this inhumane treatment was accomplished with the full authority, cooperation and funding of the American and Canadian governments together with corrupted elements of the Catholic Church, one of the government's main suppliers of children used like experimental guinea pigs.

"I hope one day we can get justice and remove this evil element of people from the continent," said Vienneau. "How can we live in a society and trust a government who is killing our own children? These people will never admit to what they done and the only thing we can do is gather enough support among good people to have these corrupted leaders removed."

Vienneau also outlined what his main motives are in seeking justice for his wife, Sampson and the many other children abused by the illegal experimentation programs. Duplessis Children

"Criminal acts: Horrific criminal acts were done to thousands of innocent children here on Canadian soil ranging from murders, tortures; disappearance of children; lobotomy's and experimental drugs and falsely labeling thousands of innocent young children from 1935 to 1975 and nobody has yet been held accountable for these free criminal acts done to the Duplessis orphans.

"Thousands of orphans were falsely labeled mentally ill, and today, this label still hangs heavy on the orphans shoulders, This label has not yet been erased, this alone is a criminal act.

"The Quebec government, the College of Physicians of Quebec; the Roman Catholic church of Quebec; the Quebec Public Trustee;(Guardianship) and the federal government of Canada and America have not yet acknowledged the harm done to thousands of young children here in Quebec.

"Constitutional Rights : The Quebec government took away the Duplessis orphans rights to defend themselves in a court of law since 1995, all though four members of parliament stated that the orphans could take a lawyer at any time for their case, but it has been 11 years now that many orphans have been trying to get a lawyer for their case but to no avail.

"Lawyer Daniel Lighter, told me flatly that the Duplessis orphans case is locked shut tight since over fifteen years. The Duplessis orphans have no Constitutional rights, it all boils down to a huge cover up."

Editor's Note: It's beyond the realm of human comprehension how newspaper owners in the mainstream lack the decency to mount an investigation for the memory of all the dead children and the many others who have suffered at the hands of corrupted politicians and church leaders.

By ignoring this story for more than five decades, major newspaper owners in the United States should be branded as co-conspirators along with the corrupted church leaders and politicians, who all march to the altar in lockstep every Sunday with the blood of the Duplessis Orphans dripping from their dirty hands.

Duplessis orphans want Montreal burial site dug up

Updated Sat. Jun. 19 2004 6:34 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

A group of surviving "Duplessis Orphans" wants the current Quebec government to unearth an abandoned cemetery, which they say contains the bodies of orphans who were victims of medical experiments years ago.

The Montreal east end site is now a warehouse for the liquor commission, but until 1958 it was a gravesite.

The group believes the cemetery may be the final resting site of orphans who were used in medical experiments at the Cite de St. Jean de Dieu insane asylum, now named Louis-Hyppolite Lafontaine Hospital. They want the bodies exhumed so autopsies can be done.

The Duplessis Orphans numbered about 20,000 children born to unwed mothers in 1940s and 50s, during the time of Quebec premier Marcel Duplessis' provincial reign.

The children were taken in by the church and even though they were normal, they were deemed mentally deficient, so the church could get hefty government grants for their care.

Now, some of the survivors would like to prove that some of them were victims of medical experiments such as lobotomies.

Paul St. Aubin, one of the so-called orphans, told CFCF News he received electroshock therapy and was lobotomized during his 18 years at Cite de St. Jean de Dieu.

And Sylvio Vincent, who lived at the same hospital, said it was his job to wash the bodies of those who died in the operating ward. He said many of the bodies he saw had holes in their heads.

In 1942, a law was passed that allowed the nuns to sell the orphans' unclaimed bodies to medical schools for $10. The selling of orphans' bodies continued into the 1960s.

In 2002, the province agreed to pay a settlement of about $25,000 to each of the surviving 1,100 orphans labeled as mentally deficient, but did not include any compensation for victims of sexual or other abuse.

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Joseph Martin was 5 1/2 years old in 1938 when his parents, promised he would receive a good education, placed him in Montreal’s Buisonnet Institute. Shortly thereafter, he was transferred to St. Jean de Dieu, where he remained until 1956.

Upon his arrival at St. Jean de Dieu, Martin said, he and other young people were stripped of personal belongings, including jewelry, clothing, pictures of cherished relatives, money and identification.

Martin, today a Montreal cabinetmaker, readily recounts stories of abuse. He said that in 1941, he witnessed a 10-year-old boy beaten to death by two guards. Incredibly, said Martin, many of the guards hired to watch over the children were young criminals who had been in reform schools. And many guards — some of whom he named — allegedly sodomized the youths.

When Martin, after being assaulted repeatedly, complained to hospital authorities, he received the ultimate “warning.” The culprits drove a knife into his left eye, blinding him, and told him that if he complained again, he would also lose the right eye.

For years, according to Martin, three children each week were victims of operations during which vital organs such as hearts, lungs, kidneys and livers were cut out and sold in the U.S. A gray-and-black refrigerated vehicle transported the organs, he said.

Carol Rutz noted, “Their organs could be harvested and sold and no one would be the wiser. They were the expendables simply because they were available."

What remained of the bodies, said Martin, would be buried in cardboard boxes, three children per box, in what was known as the “pigsty” cemetery — so named because it was where pigs were kept, and where the remains of dead swine and other animals were also disposed of.

But not all children were buried. In the early 1950s at St. Jean de Dieu, Martin said, he saw hospital staff carrying the dead bodies of children as young as 5 to a large incinerator, where they were thrown in with the hospital’s garbage.

The youngest children, Martin charged, were kept out of sight in cells and cages at the back of St. Jean de Dieu under barbaric conditions — in straitjackets, heavily drugged and befouled by their own waste.

Powerlessness

Like other Orphans interviewed, Jean-Guy Labrosse has painful memories. One includes the feeling of utter powerlessness. While incarcerated at St. Michel Archange, for example, Labrosse said he was told by psychiatrist Jean-Yves Gosselin that he held all the cards to the fate of the children.

"Once you come in here, we are the ones who decide when you may be liberated," Gosselin allegedly told Labrosse.

When contacted by Freedom, Gosselin, who served as president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association in 1993, said he wouldn’t comment on Labrosse’s allegation. Currently practicing in Ottawa, Gosselin said he couldn’t remember whether he had treated Duplessis Orphans or not.

But he admitted that during his tenure as staff psychiatrist at St. Michel Archange from 1959 to 1963, he had placed a number of patients on farms. Of note, according to former Quebec Ombudsman Daniel Jacoby and reports received by Freedom, Orphans placed on farms were also victimized.

Beatings, Torture, Sodomy

Freedom contacted psychiatrist Denis Lazure for response to allegations by Joseph Martin and others regarding abuses at St. Jean de Dieu. In addition to interning at the institution in 1952, Lazure served as its director from 1974 to 1976. In 2000, he returned to the renamed facility, Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine, as a practicing psychiatrist.

According to a statement provided on Lazure’s behalf by Jean Lepage, public relations director for Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine, investigations into claims that Orphans had been severely harmed “were never proven and therefore considered unfounded.”

Lepage referred to a 1997 report by the then Quebec ombudsman, Daniel Jacoby, in which the Orphans’ complaints were documented.

Jacoby’s report, however, does not state that the Orphans’ statements of abuse were unfounded. He did indeed find evidence of such abuses as psychosurgery, electroshock, ice baths, beatings, straitjacketing, torture, sodomy and “unjustified confinement to a cell — sometimes for months or even years.”13

In fact, after the Quebec attorney general announced in February 1995 that no charges would be brought, Jacoby stated, “in almost all cases, the reasons invoked by the attorney general did nothing to deny the existence of the facts. Neither the statute of limitations nor the death of a suspect or complainant throw the alleged acts into question.”14

Rejecting Lazure’s response to Freedom as “a pack of lies,” Rod Vienneau pointed to the psychiatrist’s own memoirs for corroboration of abuses. “I believe Denis Lazure should be the first one to be brought to court” for crimes against innocent children, Vienneau said.

Specific allegations by Vienneau and others, most importantly, have never been investigated by authorities empowered to bring perpetrators to justice. With no proper investigation, Vienneau said, one cannot say claims are “unfounded,” particularly in the presence of eyewitnesses and other evidence.

“They Became Vegetables”

Experiments were not limited to any one institution such as St. Jean de Dieu. Neurosurgeon Guy LaMarche, for example, admitted that in the 1950s, each Wednesday, two or three lobotomies were performed on patients at St. Michel Archange, as prescribed by the institution’s head psychiatrist, even though “we had no idea” how the operations would affect the institution’s patients. “More often than not, they became vegetables,” LaMarche said.15

An official probe can determine how many of the victims may have been Orphans, said CCHR’s Denis Coté. “This dark chapter in Canada’s history needs to be aired for all to see in a series of hearings,” he said. “I believe it would be best for an independent public inquiry to examine this.”

In its own investigation, Freedom found what appears to be an ongoing campaign of deception and disinformation designed to derail any examination of criminal acts or other misconduct against the Orphans by psychiatrists and others, and to keep those crimes covered up.

Orphans seeking justice, for example, have reported threats and assaults. Joseph Martin said he was visited at his home by four men who refused to identify themselves but warned him to “shut up.” This occurred a few days after Freedom had contacted Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine Hospital for comment regarding allegations by Martin and others.

As part of any official investigation, witnesses and their families must be safeguarded.

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09-02-2009, 03:40 PM

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Forensic osteology students and RCMP sift through excavated soil in their search for human remains on the Pickton pig farm, set eerily amid tony subdivisions.

The Pickton family put down roots in Port Coquitlam in 1905 when William Pickton bought land near Essondale Mental Hospital.

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Essondale Mental Hospital

There, the family raised hogs until their land was expropriated for the Lougheed Highway.

Their new pig farm -- the now notorious one, splashed across TV screens around the world -- was purchased in 1963, when Leonard and Helen Louise Pickton put down $18,000 for the swampy, 40-acre lot.

The family moved into the ramshackle farmhouse on Dominion Road with teen sons David Francis and Robert William, widely known as Willie.

Vancouver Sun 3/18/03

“More than 90 per cent of mental patients sterilized by the B.C. government were women, says the lawyer representing 18 sterile former Essondale patients in a lawsuit.” “Between 1934 and 1949 104 mental patients were ordered sterilized - 92 women and 12 men. Between 1954 and 1972, 84 mental patients were ordered sterilized by the provincial Board of Eugenics.”

1904 To relieve overcrowding, 48 male patients are transferred to a small asylum in Vernon, and the BC government purchases 1,000 acres in rural Coquitlam as the site for a new mental hospital – the beginning of Essondale Hospital.

1905 Using mostly patient labour, housed on-site in temporary buildings, the Coquitlam site is cleared and diked, and Colony Farm is established to grow food for the hospital.

1909 Construction begins on the new hospital on the slopes above Colony Farm; the locale would become known as Essondale, in honour of Dr. Henry Esson Young, the cabinet minister who advocated the new hospital.

1912 Colony Farm gains a reputation as the best farm in Western Canada, employing the latest in farming techniques to produce over 700 tons of crops and 20,000 gallons of milk in a year.

1920 Two permanent dormitories are added to the growing complex at Colony Farm, providing 75 beds for patients working on the farm.

Essondale Psychiatric Hospital

A Disaster In Every Way

The Pickton family put down roots in Port Coquitlam in 1905 when William Pickton bought land near Essondale Mental Hospital. (Later renamed Riverview) There, the family raised hogs until their land was expropriated for the Lougheed Highway.
BC Mental Health Timeline

1904 To relieve overcrowding, 48 male patients are transferred to a small asylum in Vernon, and the BC government purchases 1,000 acres in rural Coquitlam as the site for a new mental hospital – the beginning of Riverview Hospital.1905 Using mostly patient labour, housed on-site in temporary buildings, the Coquitlam site is cleared and diked, and Colony Farm is established to grow food for the PHI.

The Pickton Family set down roots on an adjacent farm in 1905.

Riverview Horticultural Centre Society was founded in 1992. Its mission is to preserve and protect the Lands and Trees of the Riverview Hospital site as a community oriented, financially viable centre for horticultural, educational and therapeutic activities.

the Beginning: In 1904, 1000 acres of land at the junction of the Coquitlam and Fraser Rivers were set aside for a Psychiatric Hospital and Botanical Garden for BC. Since 1913 a hospital has operated on the site and in its heyday during the 1950’s, Essondale (as it was then called), was a self-sufficient community with 4300 patients cared for by 2000 staff. The Riverview Lands today comprise the remaining 244 acres of the original parcel that once included the present Colony Farm, Riverview Forest, and the Riverview Heights subdivision.
Tunnels

From Wraiths Website (Tunnel Explorers)

History: The West Lawn building opened on April 1, 1913, accommodating 300 patients, the first of six large buildings constructed on the Riverview site. Others slowly followed.

In its early years, the Hospital was alone in the countryside with no development around it, not even a highway – just the railroad with a whistle-stop called “Essondale”.

Riverview Hospital : Tunnels I Page I Page II

History: As in Riverview I. There are tunnels beneath the buildings, but are in more than one segment, so they do not all connect with one another…
Unmarked graves

There is/ was a cemetery serving the hospital. I am looking for more information on its history, I believe it may have been called Woodlawn? -Hazel.

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It should be mentioned there is a fairly good sized cemetery there wherein many of the folks who were patients, found their final resting place.

Almost 3,000 people who died in government care and were unclaimed were buried at Woodlands between 1926 and 1957. In 1977, a Social Credit cabinet order-in-council resulted in the people’s headstones-about 1,800 of them-being pulled up and the area grassed over and redesignated as a park. McCallum discovered that some of the headstones were used to construct a staff barbecue patio and stairs. After 1958, unclaimed bodies were sent to UBC as cadavers.
Child Torture - Class Action Suit

on behalf of all persons who were previously confined to Woodlands and who suffered abuse including, but not limited to, physical, sexual, emotional and psychological abuse and/or who failed to receive a proper education while being confined to Woodlands.

Poyner Baxter LLP Class Action Suit

March 18, 2005

In a judgment released March 17, Madam Justice Nancy Morrison of the British Columbia Supreme Court has certified a class action suit brought against the government of British Columbia on behalf of an estimated 1,500 former residents of Woodlands School, most of whom are severely handicapped.

It is a significant milepost in a long journey. Poyner Baxter filed the class action in 2002.

January 23, 2003

Poyner Baxter commenced an action against Her Majesty the Queen in Right of the Province of British Columbia on August 2nd, 2002. This action is brought on the Plaintiff’s behalf and on behalf of all persons who were previously confined to Woodlands and who suffered abuse including, but not limited to, physical, sexual, emotional and psychological abuse and/or who failed to receive a proper education while being confined to Woodlands.

A Case Management Conference is proceeding on January 24th, 2003, before Madam Justice Morrison.

To review the Statement of Claim that was filed, please click on the link below:

Statement of Claim

Other Class Action Suits
Filming

Today the facility is used by the film industry. (Accomodation & Real Estate Services) ARES manages the facilities special uses and events.

ARES manages, on behalf of the Province, a diverse real estate portfolio of leased and government owned properties that extend throughout the province. At March 31, 2006 the portfolio included 17 million square feet (1.6 million square metres) of space. It includes a wide variety of types of properties/facilities, ranging from the Vancouver Law Courts and Robson Square Complex to heritage buildings dating from the 1860s, and includes: office buildings, residential institutions, courthouses, correctional centres and other types of special purpose facilities (e.g., forestry complexes, ambulance stations, health units, highways facilities).

“Supernatural” a modern day Hardy Boys scare ‘em adventure loves the deeply weathered look for many of their sets. Production Designer Jerry Wanek who also designed the sets of “Dark Angel” excels at this.

Here are just a few of many photos to come from this series. A lobby in one of the buildings of the infamous Riverview Mental Hospital has been converted to a ghetto squat for some troublesome characters.

hunkahunka

09-02-2009, 05:03 PM

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Mini-documentary: In the mid-20th century, under the regime of Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis, tens of thousands of disadvantaged children were transferred from orphanages into asylums in a corrupt ploy to divert funding into psychiatric coffers. Many simply vanished. Today, a small band of survivors and their families seek answers — and justice. Read the full story here

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Clarina Duguay remembers what life was like before her mother, Clara, moved away. The eldest daughter among five children, she recalls the happy life of a family, cash-poor but rich in love, in Cap d’Espoir, a fishing village on Canada’s Gaspe peninsula.

Every morning, with her dog, Coffee, she helped her mother gather up the eight or nine cows the family owned so they could be milked. From her mother, she learned many things, including how to bake delicious bread — a skill that today, more than 60 years later, she still enjoys.

In a rural community where horses were the primary means of transportation, Clara encouraged Clarina’s dream of one day becoming an airline stewardess. It was a close-knit family, one where each member supported the others.

The idyllic life ended in 1945, when Clara, stricken by tuberculosis, moved to a sanatorium.

Clarina’s father, Joseph Duguay, a lumberjack frequently away from home, was persuaded by the family doctor and the parish priest to send Clarina and her younger sister, Simonne, to an orphanage in Rimouski, on the St. Lawrence River. He was told they would be well educated.

But in 1946, shortly after Clarina turned 11, she and perhaps 10 other children from the facility were loaded onto a bus. Told they were being taken on a tour of Rimouski, they were instead driven to the town of St. Ferdinand, hundreds of miles away, and through the gates of the St. Julien psychiatric institution. There, Clarina’s horror story began.

Fraudulent Psychiatric Labels

Many years later, Clarina would learn of the false psychiatric label — “mentally retarded” — that condemned her to St. Julien.

But at the time, she inexplicably entered a hell where she scrubbed floors endlessly on orders from the institution’s staff.

“They would plunge our heads into ice-cold water if we did something wrong,” Clarina said, adding that they would be kept immersed almost to the point of drowning. To this day, she dreads water and fears she will drown.

For the tiniest infraction, she could be forced to kneel in an excruciating position for hours, or put in a straitjacket, or locked to a bed with no mattress — her feet tied to the cold steel frame and her head pinned down by a dog collar around her neck. She reported being sexually assaulted.

Simonne later joined her at St. Julien, also unknowingly labeled retarded. With both girls, their father was not informed of their fate. Letter writing was forbidden at Rimouski and St. Julien; compounding that barrier, the girls’ father could neither read nor write. Presuming no news was good news, he trusted his daughters were being properly cared for.

And when Clarina cried for her mother, a staff member told her that Clara had died of syphilis in another psychiatric institution. In truth, she succumbed to tuberculosis at the sanitarium, unaware of her daughters’ plight.

But then it got worse. Clarina remembers the chlorpromazine she and others at St. Julien were forced to take, an experimental drug at the time*, but one so powerful its principal pioneer and promoter, German-born psychiatrist Heinz Lehmann, would later dub it a “pharmacological substitute for lobotomy.”1

“It made me into a zombie,” Clarina said. The drug, known as Largactil in Canada and Thorazine in the United States, was administered by injection and by pills, virtually every day. She was told it was “cold medicine".
* Chlorpromazine was not approved for use in the United States by the Food and Drug Administration until 1954

Hidden Terrors

Robbed of their childhoods and their educations, Clarina and Simonne are two among perhaps 3,000 surviving “Duplessis Orphans.”

Naming themselves after former Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis*, many of these individuals, like Clarina and Simonne, were in fact not orphans at all, but had been born to poor families that had difficulty caring for them, or to unwed mothers. Although no official tallies were kept, over a span of several decades, it has been estimated they numbered in the tens of thousands and perhaps as many as 100,000.

As bad as things were, Clarina and Simonne consider themselves luckier than most of the Orphans — Simonne managed to escape after several years and, when her family learned of the sisters’ ordeal, they freed Clarina on May 8, 1953.

Like many of those who suffered, Clarina chose not to talk about her experiences, preferring to put the past behind her. She went to work as a seamstress in Montreal, abandoning her plans of working for an airline and seeing the world, but grateful to once again enjoy freedom.

In 1965, she met Rod Vienneau, a singer and songwriter who also worked as a construction worker and miner. They married in May the next year. For decades, she kept her terrors at St. Julien a secret from her children and her husband.

Only after the truth about the Duplessis Orphans began to emerge in the 1990s did Clarina share her story with her husband and, ultimately, with Freedom.

Child Victims:
Their World Turned Upside Down

Today, Rod Vienneau, as founder of the Commission for Victims of Crimes Against Humanity, represents survivors who seek to expose and bring to account the psychiatrists and government officials responsible for alleged crimes and abuses against the Orphans.

Since 1992, when he obtained Clarina’s medical files under Canada’s Access to Information Act, he has investigated abuses against the Orphans, also leading protest marches, letter-writing campaigns and other activities to draw attention to injustices at many similar facilities — such as Mont Providence in Montreal, converted from an orphanage and school to a psychiatric hospital in one day.

At that institution, since renamed Riviere des Prairies Psychiatric Hospital, Vienneau said, “Overnight, they emptied the classrooms, got rid of the books, and put bars on the windows. They turned the rooms into cells.”

The morning the children’s nightmare began at Mont Providence, the nuns, instead of wearing their familiar black-and-white habits, dressed in white — a stark sign of conversion to a psychiatric hospital.

“The children had a life before,” said Vienneau. “There was schooling. They could play. All of that changed. It was hard labor. No more learning.”

At psychiatric facilities throughout Quebec, he said, “They used the Orphans for the dirty work.”

Normal boys and girls in the child welfare system were degraded and dehumanized, he said, coerced via pain and punishment into becoming a slave-labor force in the province’s mental institutions. Instead of learning to read and write, they swabbed floors and hallways, cleaned the clothes of adult inmates, washed adults incapacitated by drugs, shocks and lobotomies, and served in other menial, often backbreaking capacities — all for the profit of their psychiatric overlords.

Stigmatized

As with Clarina and Simonne, relatives who placed children in Quebec orphanages customarily had been promised they would receive a "good education” if turned over to the institutions.

Instead, for decades, psychiatrists falsely declared thousands of them to be mentally ill or retarded. The children were moved to psychiatric asylums or, as at Mont Providence, facilities were converted to mental institutions. The psychiatric labels enabled institutions to obtain “nearly twice the amount per child, and sometimes more, depending on how children were classified and where they were placed.”2

Although their poor performance on I.Q. tests stemmed from a lack of schooling, normal children were stigmatized with such psychiatric tags as “idiot” and “imbecile” — false labels that destroyed their lives and haunt survivors to this day.

Evidence unearthed by Freedom in its ongoing investigation, which began in 1999, points to the Duplessis Orphans as the largest instance of institutionalized child abuse in North America.

The death or disappearance of many children and young adults — Vienneau charged that 50,000 innocents were thus victimized — drives human rights advocates to demand a thorough investigation, particularly of psychiatrists and others who benefited from the mass tragedy.

False Label Brings
25 Years’ Incarceration

To date, no criminal court or human rights body has examined the alleged atrocities. Because of the lack of a probe, no psychiatrist engaged in or connected to alleged crimes against the Orphans — including experiments with brain-damaging drugs, electric shocks and lobotomies — has been charged, despite evidence of duplicity, misconduct and harm.

On June 22, 1967, for example, psychiatrist Louis Roy examined Duplessis Orphan Joseph Sylvestre as an outpatient at St. Michel Archange, a psychiatric institution in Quebec City since renamed Robert Giffard Hospital. After the examination, Roy failed to change Sylvestre’s earlier, false childhood diagnosis.

Years later, in 1991, Sylvestre approached Roy for assistance in finding a job and subsequently received a letter from Roy in which the psychiatrist admitted that Sylvestre had never been mentally ill.

“You were never mentally ill and you are fit,” Roy reportedly said.

The scandal was reported by the Journal de Montreal in 1992. When contacted at his office by the Journal, Roy confirmed the facts concerning Sylvestre — “my good friend JS,” as Roy called him.3

As early as 1962, a Quebec government body known as the Bedard Commission acknowledged that the Orphans had never been mentally ill or retarded and that they had been fraudulently labeled.

Despite this, Roy was never charged with wrongful diagnosis or any other crime, even after admitting in writing that Sylvestre had wrongfully spent 25 years confined to the psychiatric institution where Roy was the director.

Roy, now 75 and retired, admitted to Freedom that he had misdiagnosed Sylvestre, offering as excuses that Sylvestre had already been a patient when he took over his case and that things were “different” back then.

Roy said that no disciplinary action had been taken against him because Sylvestre had “only” received psychiatric drugs, not a lobotomy or electroshock. He refused to comment on whether there should be a public inquiry into the case of the Duplessis Orphans, but admitted he saw many abuses when working at St. Michel Archange. Due to his advanced years, he said, he wants to forget the past.

“He may want to forget it, but Roy and other psychiatrists created evil and destruction, and victims live the nightmare to this day,” said Denis Coté, a spokesperson for the Citizens Commission on Human Rights** in Quebec. “Psychiatry sentenced these Orphans to degradation, misery and, in many cases, death. After the lid started to come off, psychiatrists engaged in damage control to protect their own incomes and reputations. They played no part in helping the survivors.”

* Duplessis was Quebec’s premier from 1936 to 1939 and from 1944 to 1959. Due to human rights violations, electoral fraud, use of state powers against critics and other abuses, Duplessis’ tenure has been called “the Great Darkness.”

Human Guinea Pigs

Another psychiatrist in the saga is Denis Lazure, president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association in 1966.

From 1999 to 2001, Lazure headed the “Support Committee for Justice for the Duplessis Orphans” — an effort that, according to Rod Vienneau, betrayed those it pretended to help. Vienneau compared Lazure’s position on the committee to “a fox in the chicken coop.”

In his memoirs, Medecin et Citoyen, published in 2002, Lazure wrote that in 1952, while interning at Hospice St. Jean de Dieu, a massive psychiatric facility in Montreal since renamed Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine Hospital, he and five other interns regularly administered electroshock and routinely put patients into insulin comas.4

Lazure breezily described how he would “start the day pushing the button on the electrical box that sends a current to provoke an epileptic-type convulsion in tens of patients who hadn’t received any preparatory medication.”5

Then he was off to the insulin coma rooms, “half-lit, vile-smelling, with two dozen patients that we’d inject with doses of insulin strong enough to induce a coma. After several hours of excessive sedation, they’d receive a glucose injection, which usually brought them back to consciousness. It sometimes happened that we got the shock of a patient that failed to reawaken.”6

Lazure painted a disturbing picture of St. Jean de Dieu, one in which psychiatrists played with and destroyed human life. Later in 1952, Lazure left the institution for Verdun Protestant (now Douglas) Hospital, where he assisted chemical lobotomy pioneer Lehmann in tests of chlorpromazine.7

Montreal journalist Kristian Gravenor quipped, “Lazure went on to head hospitals and run the provincial health ministry, fried brains and accidental overdoses not slowing him down one bit.”8

Lazure’s statement that he and Lehmann tested chlorpromazine in 1952 lends credence to claims by Clarina Duguay and others of being forced to take the drug prior to 1953 — the year Lehmann supposedly “discovered” how to use it to straitjacket patients — and raises questions regarding how many Orphans may have been exploited as human guinea pigs.

One St. Jean de Dieu doctor who asked not to be identified estimated that chlorpromazine was being administered to 500 people at St. Jean de Dieu in 1952 — even though the drug received its first approval for human use in Canada in 1957, according to Health Canada, the government agency over such matters.9

Psychiatry Destroys Life

Children’s advocate Carol Rutz, author of A Nation Betrayed, told Freedom that based on her research, the Duplessis Orphans became prime subjects for psychiatric testing and abuse.

These children, she said, were defenseless — easy prey for ruthless doctors who inflicted pain and death under the guise of science.

Many boys and girls, she said, “had no parents to return home to, hence the extent of their abuse needed no cover-up. Who would tell? They could be beaten or drugged into submission.”

Orphans at St. Jean de Dieu were selected to receive electroshock, drugs and other “treatments” primarily based on whether or not they had immediate family members who might come to their defense or protection, said one source who worked at the facility.

Rod Vienneau said Quebec psychiatrists viewed these children, who most often came from the province’s poorest families, as “unwanted.” They emptied Quebec’s orphanages, he said, “sending the ‘unwanted’ children to the psychiatric hospitals where psychiatrists could do any experiment that they wanted to do on 100,000 children — and no one would know.” (See “He Had No Brain!”.)

Evidence suggests that many boys and girls became victims of a psychiatric eugenics* program with connections to prominent members of the U.S. and Canadian psychiatric establishments.

“Defectives” was the sweeping label that Canadian psychiatrist Charles Kirk Clarke, a founder of the Canadian Mental Health Association, applied to immigrants from eastern and central Europe.10 Another Canadian eugenicist, Helen MacMurchy, a provincial “inspector of the feeble-minded,” campaigned for sterilization to prevent certain mothers from “filling the cradle with degenerate babies.”11

Freedom addressed this subject in a 1996 cover report in its Canadian edition entitled “The Ethnic Cleansing of the ‘Mentally Unfit’ — Sterilization in Canada.” The authors wrote, “The tools of the eugenicists thus became immigration controls, birth control, sterilization and finally euthanasia as carried out by the Nazis,” noting that the first three methods had been employed in Canada — resulting in, among other things, the involuntary sterilization of thousands of women, many of them Canadian Indian or other minorities.12

With fresh allegations now surfacing that many Duplessis Orphans died or disappeared, the fourth item on the eugenicists’ agenda, euthanasia, certainly warrants official investigation.

“They Were Allowed
to Kill Defenseless Children”

Indeed, the bodies of hundreds or even thousands of Duplessis Orphans, buried near Quebec psychiatric hospitals, may today hold the key to documenting what survivors have called "organized psychiatric genocide."

Montreal attorney Daniel Lighter suggested that Quebec officials permit exhumation of bodies buried on hospital grounds to determine to what extent Orphans may have been used for psychiatric experimentation, including lobotomies, electroshock and mass drugging.

"One can certainly argue that a free society has a responsibility to unearth the good, the bad and the indifferent of its past,” Lighter told Freedom. “There is certainly a compelling amount of evidence, even outside of a courtroom, to justify looking again at this case.”

At every step of the way, the Orphans’ treatment was guided by the hand of psychiatry. Documents obtained by Freedom reveal connections between the American Psychiatric Association (APA) and Quebec psychiatric facilities where Orphans were incarcerated. As far back as 1922, photographs and other evidence show a relationship between these facilities and the APA.

In 1954, for example, the APA recognized Montreal’s Verdun Protestant (now Douglas) Hospital for “notable achievements” in research. Freedom asked APA spokesperson Jason Young what this research entailed, but as of press time, had not received an answer.

The APA imprimatur raises questions as to who benefited from the Orphans’ false internment and why, said Lighter.

"It’s a very strange link to have the APA accrediting hospitals in Quebec. Why would that be?” he asked. “It suggests that the APA was not only intimately involved but that they were coordinating the experiments. It certainly begs questions and those questions deserve answers."

A documentary that aired in September 2004 on Quebec television station TQS reported there had been roughly 300,000 children in total; 200,000 of those were adopted, while 100,000 were held in orphanages, ready for adoption but never taken. These, reporter Gary Arpin implied, were the Duplessis Orphans.

One Orphan, Jean-Guy Labrosse, 66, today a retired construction worker, authored a 1964 book about his years in Quebec institutions, My Dog’s Life, which helped to bring abuses to light. "How many of my fellow [Orphans] have died, and have gone missing?” he asked in an interview with Freedom. “And when I say missing, I mean missing without a trace. In Quebec, they were allowed to kill defenseless children.”

Rod Vienneau estimates that at least half of the Orphans incarcerated in psychiatric hospitals died or disappeared in those institutions. “If somebody disappeared, it’s because somebody got rid of the person,” he said. “They were killed or murdered.”

* British psychologist Francis Galton coined “eugenics” from the Greek eugenes, meaning “good in stock” or “well-born.” Galton’s theories on eugenics were, in turn, forwarded by psychologists and psychiatrists. In Germany, for example, Galton’s work was used by psychiatrist Ernst Rudin and others to provide the impetus for racial hygiene and genocide programs.

“I Do Not Know the Doctors
Who Gave This False Diagnosis”

In 1999, Quebec Ombudsman Daniel Jacoby criticized the Quebec government’s “ongoing conspiracy of silence” and labeled its settlement offer to the Duplessis Orphans “unfair and humiliating.”22

After comparing settlements in similar cases in other Canadian jurisdictions, Jacoby suggested a compensation package equal to $56 million in U.S. currency — roughly $700 per patient for each year he or she spent in an institution as a result of a wrongful diagnosis, with an additional indemnity for physical or sexual abuse.

“The social context of the time cannot justify their internment in asylums for reasons more financial than medical, just as it cannot justify physical and sexual abuse,” wrote Jacoby. “Today’s society has a duty to officially recognize the harm done. Official apologies on the part of the government [and] the medical establishment...would undoubtedly be a good place to start.”23

On September 26, 2001, the Quebec government approved a settlement of $10,000 (Canadian) person, plus $1,000 per year of wrongful incarceration in mental institutions. No provisions were made for sexual or other abuse. If an Orphan refused to sign the agreement, he or she forfeited the right to the compensation.

Many Orphans were arbitrarily considered ineligible and hence received nothing. In an interview with Freedom, Rod Vienneau pointed to Paul St. Aubin as an example of those unjustly barred from the settlement.

Deprived of an education, St. Aubin, now 53, worked between the ages of 11 and 17 as a virtual slave on a Quebec farm. He then spent 18 years in the province’s mental institutions, where he received chlorpromazine, electric shock and at least two lobotomies.

Vienneau and others consider the 2001 settlement as nothing more than a means to block any genuine probe into crimes and misconduct. The settlement itself remains a subject of Freedom’s investigation.

In the late 1990s, a group of Orphans commissioned a study by Professor Leo-Paul Lauzon of the University of Quebec in Montreal. Lauzon found that certain institutions earned between $70 million and $100 million (Canadian) by fraudulently holding the Orphans.

That figure is supported by a letter from Maurice Duplessis himself, dated April 12, 1954, in which the Quebec premier agreed to pay one psychiatric facility alone, Mont Providence, $6 million over a three-year period. At least 13 institutions housed the Duplessis Orphans for several decades.

$100 million, of course, would be worth far more in today’s currency values.

next “He Had No Brain!”
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“He Had No Brain!”

How extensive might the experimentation in Quebec foster care facilities have been? The case of a 63-year-old retired racehorse trainer, Sylvio Albert Day, provides insight.

Orphaned at birth, Day worked at hard labor outdoors as a teen, often under brutally cold conditions, and then toiled for years inside psychiatric institutions — a normal young man compelled to work in a savage world where, every day, the threat of straitjackets, injections with brain-damaging drugs, and even lobotomies loomed.

Day described one three-month period when he transported the bodies of 67 dead Orphans — boys and girls, young men and women — from operating and electric shock rooms at a Montreal institution to the basement. There, he washed the bodies — some as young as 5 — in preparation for sale to local universities.

St. Jean de Dieu was the site, but it could have been any of two dozen or more Quebec institutions where such abuses are reported to have occurred.

Day told Freedom he witnessed the deadly effects of restraints, beatings, electroshock and lobotomies. He observed children and youths exploited as slave labor, the routine, massive use of mind-ravaging drugs and, quite possibly, the aftermath of experimental brain operations.

One day, for example, he was asked to remove a dead youth from an operating room. He transported the body to the morgue and took off the hospital robe, socks and cap.

"That’s when I jumped!” he said. “He was lying there on the sink and when I took off his cap, he had no brain! I could see the hole.”

Day washed the body as instructed and, a short while later, was summoned again to the operating room. Another Orphan lay dead.

This person had large holes drilled into his head.

Shaken, he was summoned yet again — this time to a cell where an Orphan had hung himself.

Day said that cadavers were sent from St. Jean de Dieu to the University of Montreal and McGill University, where body parts were removed. He was informed about the disposition of the bodies by a local embalmer, who warned him not to speak about their horrible condition.

The man made it clear, Day said, that “if I talked, I would have serious problems. And that’s why I stayed quiet.”

No ceremonies marked the deaths, with many children reportedly interred on the St. Jean de Dieu grounds in the pigsty cemetery described by Joseph Martin.

Day confirmed that the Orphans were placed in cardboard boxes and, in his words, "buried like dogs” in unmarked graves, one atop another.

Punished with Drugs

Day recalled complaining to a St. Jean de Dieu psychiatrist about working in the morgue, known among Orphans as "Dead People’s Hall." The psychiatrist threatened Day with serious repercussions if he did not return to his grisly assignment.

Threatened with “pills strong enough to put down a horse” and confinement “in a secret operating cell” where he would be subjected to “one week of treatments,” Day complied.

All told, Day said, he saw eight Orphans “with their heads cut wide open.” Troubled about what he perceived as experimental brain operations, Day approached St. Jean de Dieu’s Camille Laurin, an influential psychiatrist who later became a Quebec cabinet minister.

When Day complained to Laurin about the brain operations, the psychiatrist allegedly punished him by administering a powerful drug that rendered him senseless. Day said that he “fell unconscious and slept like a vegetable."

He believes the drug was chlorpromazine.

For years, Rod Vienneau has asked, "Who is being protected?"

Vienneau suspects that the Roman Catholic Church, vilified as being responsible because it owned St. Jean de Dieu and certain other facilities, was itself exploited by psychiatrists who fattened off money from pharmaceutical companies, intelligence agencies and the Canadian national government. (See “The ‘Chemical Lobotomy.’”)

In the early 1950s, Canada’s national government withdrew funding from the education field while remaining active in health matters. It considered Mont Providence, for example, run by the Sisters of Charity of Providence, to be an educational facility and therefore ineligible for funding.

The Quebec government under Duplessis, however, felt that as a re-education and rehabilitation center, Mont Providence should be considered a health care facility. Although Mont Providence was affiliated with St. Jean de Dieu, Ottawa held its ground. The Quebec government subsequently advised the Sisters of Charity to change the facility’s vocation to benefit from federal funding.

A $3 million agreement was signed in 1954 that converted the school to a psychiatric hospital, jettisoning its main purpose of educating and helping children.16

In a written response to Freedom regarding charges of abuse at Mont Providence, hospital spokesperson Johanne Gagnon readily admitted that the Orphans had been falsely labeled.

“The Sisters of Providence were in charge of the educational development of these Orphans,” Gagnon wrote. “They even continued their teachings after the Duplessis government delegated funds to this establishment, and ordered that no education was given to these children for they were ‘mentally crazy’ (that was the expression used at the time, referring to those with intellectual deficiency). Mont Providence, just like many centers, accepted that such labels be given to the young Orphans. I do not know the doctors who gave this false diagnosis.”

“Concentration Camps...
Right in Our Back Yard”

Vienneau believes many innocent boys and girls came to be used as human guinea pigs after government officials in Canada and the U.S. were co-opted by psychiatric interests.

As one index of the dominant psychiatric influence, more than $50 million was spent constructing new psychiatric hospitals in Quebec between 1952 and 1962. “None of these building investments went toward enhancing the quality of service and care,” Quebec Ombudsman Jacoby noted.17 Meanwhile, the children they housed suffered under barbaric conditions.

Falsification of records, lies to families and horrific experiments bear similarities to Nazi psychiatric programs for ridding society of “undesirables,” Vienneau said. In this case, the “unwanteds” were normal children born out of wedlock, or whose families could not afford them, or who thought their children would be better taken care of when turned over to the institutions.

Vienneau is not alone in drawing parallels between the Quebec institutions and those in Nazi Germany. Concurrent with the abuses against the Orphans in the 1950s and 1960s, Montreal’s McGill University was the site of Ewen Cameron’s ghastly work. (See “‘Mind Control’ Experimentation Exposed.”)

Cameron, infamous for barbarity and a penchant for operating without patient consent, maimed men and women with electroshock, lobotomies and drugs that included chlorpromazine and LSD. An international leading light of psychiatry, Cameron served as president of the Quebec Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, the American Psychiatric Association and the World Psychiatric Association.

In a 1986 review of the experiments Cameron conducted at McGill’s Allan Memorial Institute, Canadian physician George Cooper drew the same conclusion as Vienneau.

“We talk about concentration camps. I don’t want to make this comparison, but God, you know, talk about ’we didn’t know it was happening,’ and it was — right in our back yard," wrote Cooper.18

Some of Cameron’s victims were compensated by the U.S. Justice Department in 1988 with an out-of-court settlement totaling $750,000; in November 1992, the Canadian government announced it would give $100,000 apiece to victims of his experiments.

According to one source, some Duplessis Orphans may have been “treated” at Cameron’s Allan Memorial Institute, a possibility Freedom is investigating.

Dreading a Doctor Visit

“While many would prefer not to believe stories of horrific abuse, if they are not believed, then injustice continues and similar abuses will be repeated,” said author Carol Rutz.

Today, surviving Orphans carry false labels of mental illness in their medical records despite decades of attempts to have them removed — a stigma that continues to haunt them. Clarina Duguay and others, for example, dread a simple trip to the doctor for any health problem. The threat of being locked up again looms over their lives — a living nightmare as long as the labels exist.

“All of the Orphans who can no longer speak for themselves, who died a tragic death or were lobotomized deserve to have the truth told,” said Rutz. “It takes a lot of courage to look at the truth and not turn your head away because it is too painful.”

Lawyer Lighter echoed Rutz by calling for justice. "There needs to be a public inquiry once and for all,” he said. “That is the only way there is to unearth the history of what happened and the role everyone played."

A longtime member of the Quebec Parliament, Louise Harel, is among those who have sought justice for the Orphans. On June 6, 2005, she became leader of the official opposition in Quebec’s National Assembly.

Harel told Freedom that the false labels should be removed and also expressed concern regarding the large number of lobotomies that had been performed in Quebec.

After the interview with Freedom, and following her receipt of detailed information from Rod Vienneau, Harel wrote on the Orphans’ behalf to Michelle Courschesne, Quebec’s minister of Employment and Social Programs. In her letter, she mentioned the hardship endured by the Orphans and encouraged Courschesne to contact Vienneau.

For Vienneau and others, the injustices suffered by innocent children stand as a powerful reminder and a mandate to keep fighting for those who perished and those who can no longer fight for themselves.

"When will the Orphans truly be free?” Vienneau asked. “Hopefully, before they all die. But as long as they carry this psychiatric label of mental illness on their shoulders, they will never be free. Even today, the Orphans live in the era of Great Darkness. We want justice and we want the truth, finally, to be told.”

“Mind control”
experimentation exposed

After psychiatrist Ewen Cameron’s destructive activities — vicious brain-damaging experimentation on unsuspecting patients — were exposed and condemned in U.S. Congressional hearings in the 1970s, the psychiatric industry promoted the notion that he had acted alone. Investigation by Freedom, however, proved this to be false. Indeed, other psychiatrists, including William Sargant of the United Kingdom, while publicly decrying Cameron’s work, were secretly performing similar tests.24

Colin Ross, M.D., an authority on mind control experiments and author of such books as Bluebird: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality Disorder by Psychiatrists, pointed out that Cameron and Sargant were two of the four founders of the World Psychiatric Association.

Ross told Freedom that psychiatrists carried out a deliberate campaign of deception in Cameron’s wake to limit the damage to psychiatry’s reputation. The disinformation, he said, conveyed that Ewen Cameron and his brutal work had been “just an isolated incident, that it happened a long time ago back in the ’50s, and that there were different ethical standards back then.”

But Ross noted that while Cameron’s research “completely violated the ethical standards of the time,” his experiments were far from isolated from his fellow psychiatrists.

And although books, documentaries and films such as “The Manchurian Candidate” have exposed the exploitation of adults in mind control, and the victims of his well-publicized intelligence agency-funded experimentation were compensated by the Canadian federal government, little has been communicated about the use of such coercive methods on children, as with the Duplessis Orphans.
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hunkahunka

09-02-2009, 05:16 PM

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healthy orphans, many of them babies, classified as retarded, and sent to mental institutions to
work on farms, some murdered for their organs, some subjected to horrific mind control traumas:

ie: seeing their friends killed , brains and hearts extracted, then burned and/or fed to pigs.

Dorothy falls into the pig-sty (near-death trauma horror) , enters imaginary world where she is united with a friend with no brain, and a friend with no heart (after-life):

friends seeking to return from death: ie: recover brains, hearts etc.
brainless friend is almost burned by witch

the only way to return from Oz (death) is to 'follow the road' (programming)

soulja

09-02-2009, 07:01 PM

hunkahunka

10-02-2009, 01:54 AM

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Sexual Abuse and Mind Control at Napa State Hospital
http://www.illuminati-news.com/wayne-morin-jr.htm

Soulja, I have found audio interviews of Wayne Morin Jr.
here:

http://www.illuminati-news.com/waynemorintapes.htm

(the sound quality is not the best in all of them)

some of the better quality ones:

http://www.illuminati-news.com/Audio/wayne-morin-jr/x-zone053106/x-zone053106.mp3
http://www.illuminati-news.com/Audio/wayne-morin-jr/NWO-1-21-06.mp3
http://www.illuminati-news.com/Audio/wayne-morin-jr/020606-Pastor-Jack-Radio/020606-pastor-jack-radio.mp3
On Wayne Morin:

His first admission at Napa State Hospital was when he was 12 years old, in 1971. He has had 115 admissions at Napa State Hospital (NSH) since that time, but all were civil commitments. He explains that his mother, brother, and sister have all sat around and used marijuana together with his psyche-tech on a weekend pass. While still accommodated at NSH, at the ages of 13-16, he was taken to his psyche-tech's home in Fairfield, where he used marijuana and Dexedrine, all on weekend passes. There was another time at NSH when a psyche-tech "fell in love" with him and they had sex, and he was given Ritalin in injection form.

The Napa Sentinel, a local newspaper, has full knowledge of NSH past and up-to-date rampant sex abuses and drug use. There was a time in the 1980's when most of all the psyche staff at NSH used marijuana and smoked it with the clients there, according to Wayne. This was during the height of "America's Drug War", and when a person could use drug (ab)use as a mental illness and furthermore get paid by SSI for being mentally ill, at $700.00 a month.

During Wayne's 115 admissions as NSH he never had one single felony charge. His instant offense was committed in 1987, and he was sentenced only for three years. However, the State never wanted him released on "outpatient treatment". Why was that? Wayne explains:

The Manor of Napa State Hospital"Just look at their jobs being on the line, and how the psychiatric staff know that the statutes of limitations never run out on murders and rape, which have occurred in this hospital. Knowledge is Power, they know this, so by keeping me inside the fence they maintain their immunity from outside investigation. It is a known fact that mental health staff as NSH use Gestapo-type tactics and invent symptoms without evidence in order to delay the discharge of patients(1).These doctors with Master's degrees can also be negligent and accessories to murders and other crimes, who do whatever it takes to cover up both intentional and unintentional mistakes, as if, in the old lunatic days of torture and mysterious deaths in the state hospitals seem to be protected from the law. The same people on patient's treatment team punish them for any disagreement, trying to defend themselves, and particularly frown on any complaint to Patient's Rights, if not a reason for retaliation due to their power and illusion of perfection being challenged; in a sense they are playing God with people's lives. Even if an individual staff member knows the claims against a patient are false they will side with their peers, acting as a fraternity of control, under the guise of hospital policy. This form of racket contradicts the entire concept of people with a diagnosed mental illness being treated and recovering for return to the community, especially for people as myself, who was drunk when committing a crime which was not that serious. Instead, we have psychiatrists and psychologists acting like prosecutors who in reality answer to nobody, and whose main remedy to alleged symptoms is to increase a patient's medication, do anything about their situation, so they give up trying to fight."more:
http://www.illuminati-news.com/wayne-morin-jr.htm

stal

10-02-2009, 04:23 PM

i just watched this movie called "Thirst" on satellite tv. i was expecting some late night 70s vampire schlock-fest but, wow, there is so much more in this. a young woman is abducted by 'the brotherhood', an elite family of rich powerful blood drinkers(decendants of countess bathory) because she is a lost member of the bloodline. the headquarters of the family is a huge castle/compound full of attractive young men and women, all wandering around in a mind controled state, who are used in rituals and for 'harvesting' blood. to return the young woman to the fold, she is drugged and 'programmed' to become one of them. interesting scenes include

- being locked in a dungeon and forced to sleep in a coffin while being monitered by doctors, who comment on her gradual loss of sanity as 'a step in the conditioning process'

- a long disassociation/dream state scene, where at various times she is freezing cold (at which point she returns home), later she picks up a candlestick to use a weapon to defend herself, and is immediatly burnt by it. there is also the obligitory broken mirror scene, and a regression/flashback to when she was a young girl at catholic boarding school and is told her mother is dead, with some suggestion it was suicide.

- a mention is made of "do you remember when you were taken to your uncles farm when you were 11, and you were made to watch the pigs being slaughtered?"

- a blood ritual attended by the rich and famous, where a young woman is murdered by a very old lady.

- a reference to "the new york experiment" and its findings on the effects of conditioning on sanity

theres heaps more in it if you know what to look for. if you didnt, it is just a weird modern-ish vamp movie, but as always, there is a whole other layer underneath. well worth a watch if you have nothing better to do. its actually not a that bad of a movie. and apparently it is being re-made for a 2010 release.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080016/

hunkahunka

10-02-2009, 05:05 PM

check out this clip where Dorothy is committed for electroshock therapy at a mental institution:

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sIMVaNGCZk&feature=related
from:
http://www.hotmoviesale.com/dvds/15699/1/Return-To-Oz.jpg

Return to Oz
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Plot summary

Return to Oz is a film produced by Walt Disney Pictures in 1985. It is based loosely on the books Ozma of Oz and The Marvelous Land of Oz. The film was thought by many to be a sequel to the classic 1939 film, to which it bears little resemblance. It has since become a cult classic. In the film Dorothy Gale has returned to Kansas, but no one believes her story. When she suffers from insomnia, Aunt Em desperate for help for her niece, has Dorothy committed to an insane asylum, to "cure" her by electro-shock therapy. When waiting in her assigned room that night, Dorothy is visited by a girl who later helps Dorothy escape from the clinic when she reveals that patients had been brain damaged by electroshock. When Dorothy escapes she finds herself back in the Land of Oz.

Dorothy and her new friends, Billina the chicken, Jack Pumpkinhead, Tik-Tok, and the head of a Gump, must stop the Nome King and the witch Mombi who wants Dorothy's head for her collection, to restore Princess Ozma to the throne.
Mombi has 31 interchangeable heads, explains that the Nome King was behind the destruction of the Emerald City and the kidnapping of the Scarecrow.

Mombi locks Dorothy and Billina in the attic, where they meet Jack Pumpkinhead (Brian Henson), a friendly stick man with a pumpkin for a head.......blah blah blah

Dorothy is returned to her world, where she is found by Toto, Uncle Henry and Aunt Em. Aunt Em reveals that Dr. Worley's clinic burned down during the night and he died trying to save his machines. A jail cart travels by, with Head Nurse Wilson imprisoned inside. The film concludes with Dorothy's new house being finished and Ozma and Billina appearing in her bedroom mirror, hinting that her adventures in Oz may not be just a dream.

[edit] Cast

* Fairuza Balk as Dorothy Gale
* Nicol Williamson as Dr. Worley & The Nome King
* Jean Marsh as Head Nurse Wilson & Mombi
* Piper Laurie as Aunt Em
* Matt Clark as Uncle Henry
* Michael Sundin & Tim Rose as Tik-Tok (puppeteers)
* Sean Barrett as Tik-Tok (voice)
* Mak Wilson as Billina (puppeteer)
* Denise Bryer as Billina (voice)
* Brian Henson as Jack Pumpkinhead (voice)
* Stewart Larange as Jack Pumpkinhead (puppeteer)
* Lyle Conway as The Gump (voice)
* Steve Norrington as The Gump (puppeteer)
* Pons Maar as Lead Wheeler/Nome Messenger
* Emma Ridley as Ozma
* Justin Case as The Scarecrow
* Various Actors as The Wheelers
* John Alexander as The Lion/Wheeler
* Deep Roy as The Tin Man
* Bruce Boa as Policeman
* Tansy as Toto

http://www.impawards.com/1985/posters/return_to_oz.jpg

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hunkahunka

10-02-2009, 05:58 PM

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Fairuza Balk

Fairuza Balk Tattoos

Fairuza Balk is known for her prominent roles in The Waterboy, American History X and Return to Oz. Balk’s beauty is enhanced by a series of well-placed tattoos around her body.

There are lots.

The first, on her stomach, is a crescent moon.

The second is a sun, set on the opposite side of her stomach to nicely balance out the contrast between night and day.

The third, a winged heart circled by thorns, sits on her left hip.

The fourth is a bundle of lilies bearing a pentagram in the middle.

The fifth, a sentence written in Sanskrit, runs across the small of her back.

The sixth is a pattern of hooks crisscrossing in a band on her right arm.

The seventh, located on her forearm near the shoulder, is a large blue triangle.

The eighth is a pair of cats frolicking on the back of her shoulder, their tails linked.

And, finally, her ninth tattoo – an ankle tattoo – is written in Chinese script, identifing her as a child born during the year of the tiger.

http://www.fairuzabalk.info/images/Fairuza%20Balk/Fairuza_Balk_Tattoo2.jpg

http://www.fairuzabalk.info/images/Fairuza%20Balk/Fairuza_Balk_Tattoo1.jpg

http://www.fairuzabalk.info/images/Fairuza%20Balk/Fairuza_Balk_1.jpg

http://www.fairuzabalk.info/images/Fairuza%20Balk/Fairuza_Balk_2.jpg

http://www.tattoo-net.de/images/inhalt/stars/Fairuza%20Balk1.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/revl1s/normal_fairuza_balk_30.jpg
Balk starred as a leader of a witch coven in the film 'The Craft'

video:
'The Craft' trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2nEL0-sBX4
entire film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tArxxov_LmI&feature=related

hunkahunka

10-02-2009, 09:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSvorQ1FsN8

hunkahunka

10-02-2009, 11:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gklyVN57PCQ

interview of Faruza Balk where she mentions that she owns
an occult shop named Panpipes Magickal Marketplace:

http://s3.ypbot.net/photos/z-3aFqcH_m.jpg

Panpipes Magickal Marketplace

History

Donald R. Blyth..............Doctor, Metaphysician, Occultist, Yogi, opened on Hollywood Blvd, in 1961, the infamous Weird Museum. His collection of oddities had been gathered by his father, a sea captain, in his travels over the world, and brought to Dr. Blyth as a youth.

Early in 1961, Rooms were rented at 6546 Hollywood Boulevard, in Hollywood, as a home to Don's occult group, "Brotherhood of the Ram." and the WEIRD MUSEUM was opened to the public to support the group's new home..
The tickets were 50 cents each.

In the fall of 1970, Isis joined the group, and along with Don, Jolene and Lilith, hosted the Weird Museum .
The little Museum was to become world famous, and finally infamous.

The original museum was housed in three separate rooms: the Chamber of Horrors, the Medical Room, and a special room for Senbi Ak-Es-En-Amen, a 3300 year old Egyptian mummy.

Eventually Dr Blyth opened a new attraction, Nightmare Alley, And acquired a new artifact, the alleged bones of Vlad Tepes the Impaler.....or as he is commonly known...Dracula!

In the spring of 1971, Lilith, Isis and Jolene had an idea, and went to Dr Blyth to ask if they might sell a few candles and herbs in a corner of the Weird Museum....from that small idea was born The Ram Occult Center in the summer of 1971.

The new location on Wilcox Ave was supported by The Ram Center, with Jolene at the helm, and the Museum in secondary residence. Eventually, the Weird Museum was closed and put in storage behind the store.

On January 12th, 1985, Isis closed the once mighty Ram Center, and at 1611 North Cherokee Avenue, in Hollywood, on January 15th, 1985, opened a brand new Hollywood occult shop. Panpipes Magickal Marketplace.

In February 1988, we relocated to Cahuenga Blvd., and business was and is still booming!.

In 1995, Isis sold the store to actress Fairuza Balk.

Fairuza brought in Jymie Darling and Vicky Adams to manage the store in 1997. By 2001 Jymie and Vicky bought Panpipes Magickal Marketplace and that brings us to the present!!

The store was used as shooting location for "Unsolved Mysteries," "Dream On," "Rockford Files, The Movie," "Witchboard II,"
and "Hardball," "North Mission Road". And has been involved with JAG, Pirates of the Carribean II, CSI Las Vegas and much much much more!!!

BROTHERHOOD OF THE RAM (aka 'The Ram Center', 1970? to 01-12-1985)

KNOWN MEMBERS:

* Blythe, Donald Ross -- (b11-19-1926(23?) d01-10-1993 aka "Dr. Blythe") founder:
"Satan's A-Go-Go" nightclub, owner and proprietor;
Brotherhood of the Ram "founded in the 1960s," according to James R. Lewis;
The Weird Museum; museum and curio collection birthed 'The Ram Occult Center',
from which, on 01-15-1985, became Panpipes Magickal Marketplace.
* Diana
* Sharon 'Isis'; proprietor of 'Isis Magick Occult Supply Shoppe'
* Ida, Diana's daughter
* Lilith
* Welch, Jolene Susan (b1948, d01(04?)-03-1993 aka 'Jojo')

The Brotherhood of the Ram changed its name to the Brotherhood of Satan

their youtube channel is here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/brotherhoodofsatan

very interesting sample:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=31475E0B0A1BB6A8&playnext=1

the little dears disabled embedding for the above video, but it works if you click on the link

soulja

11-02-2009, 02:50 AM

great posts guys, very interesting info from the Oz episode to Thirst to Fairuza to that nice find of the Templar/Baphomet/satanic brotherhood.
didn't have the time yet to watch all the videos but will do tomorrow.

just pointing out the obvious now

interview of Faruza Balk where she mentions that she owns
an occult shop named Panpipes Magickal Marketplace:

http://s3.ypbot.net/photos/z-3aFqcH_m.jpg

http://www.pan-flute.com/Graphics/pan2.jpg
http://www.theoi.com/Georgikos/Pan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(mythology)

stal

11-02-2009, 09:55 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1hiB61Q9pk

if thats the remake, it looks nothing like the original.

interesting about fairuza. so she bought panpipes around the same time she was making 'the craft'?

hunkahunka

11-02-2009, 12:17 PM

if thats the remake, it looks nothing like the original.

?

sorry, wrong movie

here is the trailer for what you mentioned

fascinating, people have to see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSvorQ1FsN8

soulja

11-02-2009, 12:30 PM

yeah that looks more like the flick stal talked about. i'll see if i can get it on torrent and make some screens over the weekend.

hunkahunka

11-02-2009, 01:39 PM

yeah that looks more like the flick stal talked about. i'll see if i can get it on torrent and make some screens over the weekend.

the woman who starred as the lead role in Thirst also had the lead role as Rosa in a 1996 film called 'Offspring':

Plot summary for
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Rosa, a glamorous woman, is obsessed with exacting a brutal revenge on her only daughter Maria. Maria is a successful model and film star who has recently become engaged to one of her co-stars. After reluctantly accepting Rosa's invitation to spend the weekend with her, the couple soon discover Rosa's true intentions and an emotional and bitter confrontation ensues. Written by Anonymous

Ben and his wife Maria are happy and successful people. One day their lives are disrupted by a letter from Maria's mother, who she ran away from at the age of 16. Due to the bad blood between Rosa (her mother) and her, Maria is reluctant to go, but agrees when Ben insists. Once at Rosa's mansion, Ben finds himself in a spiderweb of lies and perverted storytelling, as both Rosa and Maria explain about their past. While Rosa claims Maria is mentally ill, Maria claims Rosa helped her stepfather molest her when she was a girl back in Italy. But the married couple will find that some secrets are better left buried, for these revelations are deadly.

hunkahunka

11-02-2009, 03:08 PM

check out this article on Woodlands School (originally named the Public Hospital for the Insane, which later became the child division of Essondale Hospital) which was located just a mile from Essondale Hospital/Colony Farm (and the original Pickton pig farm)

Woodlands justice in doubt
By Roxanne Gregory

Bill MacArthur was seven in 1963 when his mother left him for the first time at Woodlands School. His mother said it was a summer school-but she didn't tell him he couldn't go home. Bill was hyperactive, but he was also highly intelligent, and he soon learned the lessons of survival at Woodlands.

"In the morning they would line us up for the washroom. I remember seeing people tied down to toilets and staff pouring hot water over their genitals to make them go. I was afraid all the time," he told the Georgia Straight in a recent interview.

"There was a nurse…She found a staff member in bed with a patient and she reported him. They fired her," he said.

MacArthur said he was sexually assaulted by staff, but what he feared most was being forcibly submerged in tubs filled with ice water until he nearly drowned. Another boy he knew was repeatedly confined inside a canvas sack and held underwater. "This was the way they controlled your behaviour," he explained matter-of-factly.

Although the recent and belated coroner's inquest into the tragic death of 19-month-old Sherry Charlie has renewed calls in B.C. for greater social-services oversight and accountability, abuse of children while in government care has a long history here-beginning decades before little Sherry's death.

And a recent court decision might deny former child victims of institutional abuse the justice they've sought for decades.

In February 2000, a chorus of complaints from former Woodlands School residents found a short-lived voice in the local press. In response, B.C.'s Liberals commissioned then-former ombudsman Dulcie McCallum to write an administrative review of the government-run facility that provided residential care for hundreds of children between 1950 and 1996.

McCallum's review, completed in August 2001 and released by the province in July 2002, found widespread sexual, physical, and emotional abuse of children at Woodlands, as well as unexpected and uninvestigated deaths. The physical mistreatment included "hitting, kicking, smacking, slapping, striking, restraining, isolating…very cold showers, very hot baths resulting in burns, verbal abuse, extended isolation, wearing shackles, and a belt leash with documented evidence of injuries including bruising, scratches, broken limbs, black eyes and swollen face".

Woodlands survivor Gary Hill told the Straight of a nightmarish practice: "Lots of kids had all their teeth pulled so they couldn't bite staff.…After I left Woodlands, when my dentist was working on me, he said my mouth looked like they used a shovel."

McCallum urged the government to apologize and compensate victims-and not by revictimizing them through a judicial process. Without success, she urged a second-stage investigation of the systemic abuse. No Woodlands staff member has ever been charged with abuse or assault.

Almost 3,000 people who died in government care and were unclaimed were buried at Woodlands between 1926 and 1957. In 1977, a Social Credit cabinet order-in-council resulted in the people's headstones-about 1,800 of them-being pulled up and the area grassed over and redesignated as a park. McCallum discovered that some of the headstones were used to construct a staff barbecue patio and stairs. After 1958, unclaimed bodies were sent to UBC as cadavers.

Although the government apologized in 2002 and pledged a $2-million fund for counselling, the money isn't just for the estimated 1,500 survivors of Woodlands. It's also for residents from three other facilities-Essondale, Valleyview, and Tranquille-and, to date, not a dime has been released to any survivors.

Survivors attempted to launch a class-action lawsuit against the provincial government in 2002, but the Liberals stalled, arguing that the suit should be brought by the office of the Public Guardian and Trustee and not by an independent North Vancouver law firm, Poyner Baxter.

In 2004, a B.C. court decided otherwise, and in March 2005 the class-action lawsuit was certified before Judge Nancy Morrison by attorneys from Poyner Baxter.

In a March 2005 news release, attorney Jim Poyner said: "We hope that government will now finally recognize that serious damage has been done to a very large number of people, and work to expeditiously correct decades of evasion." Despite the class-action certification, a year later no court dates are pending.

ON WOODLANDS' bucolic 26-hectare grounds at McBride Boulevard and Columbia Street in New Westminster, almost 1,600 children lived in lock-down conditions at any one time inside outdated buildings that formerly housed B.C.'s "lunatics".

Established on the New Westminster cricket pitch in 1878, the Public Hospital for the Insane was a castlelike fortress overlooking the B.C. Penitentiary and the Fraser River. In 1950, the B.C. government, which ran the facility, decided to separate disabled children from adult lunatics (who were sent to Essondale), and the institution was renamed the Woodlands School. Woodlands became home to the province's unwanted kids.

Babies abandoned at birth in hospital, the hyperactive, the epileptic, the intellectually challenged, the disabled, wards of the court, and children displaced by the closure of Vancouver's orphanage all lived within its walls and cottages.

But Woodlands wasn't a school you could graduate from. In fact, in 1973 there were only 12 teachers there for about 1,600 residents. Once children were committed to Woodlands, they often lived there for the rest of their lives-that is, until the province closed the facility in 1996.

Despite McCallum's report and horrifying statements by former residents in news reports, on November 24, 2005, Children and Family Development Minister Stan Hagen told the legislature-in response to a query from Opposition critic Adrian Dix-that the government "disagrees" that there was "systemic abuse" at Woodlands.

Hagen also neglected to mention that Woodlands children were used in genetic research and drug experiments for more than 30 years. Between 1954 and 1978, almost three dozen research papers, including drug studies, were published by the then-medical director of Woodlands, Dr. Bluma Tischler. Research continued until 1986.

In 1978, Premier Bill Bennett praised Tischler's work at Woodlands when he announced a fellowship in her name. "Dr. Tischler has conducted outstanding research…during the past 24 years. Her more than 35 scientific publications have made such an impact that Dr. Tischler has increased the knowledge of scientists throughout the world," he said in the legislature.

(One published paper was about extracting urine samples from children by inserting a needle through the abdomen above the pubic bone and aspirating the fluid with a syringe-a method of obtaining a sterile sample that is commonly used today in uncooperative cats and dogs.)

Not everyone agreed with Bennett's adulation, but those who were critical of the way children were cared for at Woodlands met with dismissal or worse.

In the fall of 1972, Marie White had been working at Woodlands for almost 10 years. She was head nurse of the isolation ward, and she was worried. According to a letter from her attorney, Brian Stanton, to Woodlands superintendent Pauline Hughes-and copied to Opposition health critic Bob McClelland, who read it in the legislature-her complaints about alleged sexual abuse of children by a janitor fell on deaf ears. Her concerns that kids were also being overmedicated and that there wasn't enough control over access to drugs elicited no response from the administration.

When she couldn't get the administration to act, she threatened to go to the media-a threat that sealed her fate in a scenario mimicking a script from TV's The Prisoner.

According to Stanton, while working one day in November 1972, she was told by the director of nursing that she was unwell and required immediate treatment. Neither the nature of her alleged sickness nor the treatment required was revealed by her supervisor. She was escorted to Dr. Hughes's office. (Besides being superintendent of Woodlands, 10 years earlier Hughes had been involved in genetic-research experiments there.)

Once inside Hughes's office, according to Stanton (who is now dead), White was confronted by a Dr. McKenzie, whose first name is not mentioned in the letter. McKenzie told her she was being committed to a private facility for the insane for her own good.

Stanton wrote that when White tried to resign on the spot, McKenzie called for an orderly and a matron. They took her from the office and bundled her into a waiting car. Despite having no committal papers, she was admitted and sedated at the Hollywood Sanitarium in New Westminster, from where they planned to send her to Riverview for 30 days. However, according to a May 7, 1973, article in the New Westminster Columbian newspaper, her daughter intervened and secured her release with the help of Stanton's partner, Norman Einarsson.

As Stanton wrote to Hughes: "In short, our client was seized, abducted, imprisoned, drugged, and reported as insane for the purpose of protecting certain improper procedures at the Woodlands School."

As the Columbian noted on December 29, 1972, B.C.'s NDP health minister, Dennis Cocke, under pressure from the Opposition, belatedly asked for an investigation.

The Columbian reported in January 1973 that Cocke had ordered the month previous that White be reinstated without loss of wages, and the attorney general, Alexander Barrett MacDonald, announced his office would also conduct an investigation, but in January White had still heard nothing about her reinstatement and Hughes refused comment when the Columbian came calling.

At the time, White told the newspaper: "I am quite willing to go back to Woodlands to work. But I haven't heard from Woodlands at all. When I receive instructions to return to work in writing, I will go back. But they haven't written to me yet, nor have they sent me any money."

Three months later, White was still not working. By May 1973, though, Woodlands gave her five months' salary, a lump sum to pay her lawyers, and another job in an undisclosed government institution. The Georgia Straight was unable to ascertain her present-day whereabouts.

COCKE'S INVESTIGATION wasn't the first review of abuse at Woodlands. Ten years earlier, there had been the so-called Amos Gill inquiry into abuse and the misappropriation of funds at the facility.

After the March 2005 class-action lawsuit became certified, hope was beginning to dawn for Woodlands survivors, but in October of last year many of them learned they may never be compensated for the abuse they suffered-even if the class action is successful.

A little-known court decision in October 2005-the Arishenkoff ruling-may have decided the fates of Woodlands survivors who were abused before 1974. In 1974, the government passed the Crown Proceedings Act, which allowed the Crown to be held liable for the actions of its employees.

The Arishenkoff case arose out of abuse at residential schools where Doukhobor children were interned by the B.C. government in the '50s and '60s. But the Arishenkoff ruling meant that liability for injury or abuse can't be laid at the government's door retroactively-if the alleged wrong was done before the Crown Proceedings Act became law.

The Arishenkoff case wasn't even before the courts when lawyer Jim Poyner first tried bringing the Woodlands class-action suit.

On October 31 last year, a frustrated Poyner told Woodlands survivors at one of their regular meetings: "If we hadn't had to fight to represent this group for the last three years, we might have already reached a settlement. This is really bad…Only a political decision can make this right."

Len Zimmer, who lived 18 years at Woodlands, was devastated by the news of the Arishenkoff ruling. "I thought I was going to have a heart attack," he told the Straight. "It's just so unfair." Zimmer was born in Essondale (now Riverview)-B.C.'s psychiatric hospital where, post-Second World War, up to 4,000 B.C. residents languished in the care of only seven doctors at any one time.

Zimmer spent the first years of his life at Essondale, until he was moved to Woodlands in 1954 at age seven. Conditions inside Woodlands weren't better; they were worse. Zimmer said he was repeatedly sexually abused and tortured by staff until he finally won his freedom by escaping in 1972. For years, Zimmer said, he tried to tell his story, but the police didn't believe him and no one else listened.

Sexual abuse of children was widespread within the institution, members of the Woodlands Survivors group told the Straight. McCallum's review found sexual "assault, intercourse and in the result, injuries and in a few cases pregnancy".

Bill MacArthur, the boy who was dropped off at "summer school", is angry at the way Woodlands survivors have been treated by government. "I want everyone to remember what happened at Woodlands so that it never happens to anybody again…A whole group of people will be denied justice with this [Arishenkoff] ruling," he said.

Luann Bradshaw was 12 in 1961 when her parents' divorce divided her family. Her mother, Amy Reiter, told the Straight that she put Luann in B.C. government care at Woodlands for a weekend to get some doctor-ordered rest for herself. When she tried to bring her daughter home, staff refused to release her. She said she was assured Luann would get good care at the facility. But that didn't happen.

Bradshaw is an independent and outspoken critic of Woodlands. "I was determined not to let myself become permanently damaged. I'm a long-time survivor because of that," she told the Straight. "I've been in the [survivors'] community for 22 years. The physical, social, mental, and psychological torture at Woodlands was ongoing. They would make you go hungry. They took your home visits away, even your phone calls…They made you kneel for hours at a time on a hard wooden floor until you could hardly move…

"There was an all-male ward where everyone getting out of the bathtub got badly whipped. They became so scarred they could hardly stand.

"And there was slavery. I'd make 30 to 50 beds a day, every day, and I folded thousands of diapers each month for $12. Woodlands was a deadly prison. No one deserves to go through what we had to go through."

Will there be justice for the forgotten children of Woodlands?

hunkahunka

11-02-2009, 03:43 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs5PEEzaxjU

emerald

11-02-2009, 04:09 PM

http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/2009/02/11/is-anyone-else-watching-toddlers-tiaras/

mrmoney

11-02-2009, 04:23 PM

I've heard this conspiracy before, and it's not a good one.

I can't think of any desperate fans "rebelling".. It's stupid.

stal

11-02-2009, 04:28 PM

good find on the woodlands thing. an exclusive 'school' does bad shit to kids. what a surprise. not.

here is another old movie for you guys. btw, the australian film industry in the 70s/early 80s operated with carte blanche, including a 100% tax rebate. most people only know of films like 'mad max' and 'picnic at hanging rock' (excellent in their own right, actualy you should take a look at picnic...) but there were many more (so-called) oz-sploitation flics made. mostly trash, but there were some real gems in there.

anyway, back to what i was on about. 'harlequin'. not a lot of overt mind control in this, but there are other things worth noting. for starters, it stars one of the main actors (david hemmings) from 'thirst' as a naieve politician, who is being groomed by the 'ptb' to take on the role of PM. there is an oblique reference to harold holt, the australian PM who dissapeared while taking a dip in the ocean.

just as this man is about to be appointed, a stranger enters his life. he first appears as a clown at the poli's sons birthday, then proceeds to perform 'miracles', thus insinuating himself into the powerful household. after seducing every woman in sight (or perhaps not quite so much. if you know your shit, you will understand this), performing various parlour tricks, and subsequntly being proven a fraud by the secret service, our man the magi becomes a very strange character. real 'majik' is performed, and the poli is warned not to take the deal being offered by the 'ptb'. the 'stranger' could be likened to rasputin (even imdb says it lol) as, amongst other things he is a spirtual advisor of dubious character who perhaps cannot die. actualy, even the good folks (lol) at wikipedia mention the rasputin angle.

i'm not so good at explaining things, but suffice to say, this is another old movie well worth watching. there is heaps more than what i have mentioned. i know there are a few people here that would get it. also, the soundtrack is done by the same guy who did the music for 'thirst' and many other aussie films of the period, a guy by the name of brian may.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080842/

brian may http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/1997/07_May---Brian_May__1934-1997.asp

jadeaube

11-02-2009, 06:59 PM

Apparently Bob Marley was murdered by the CIA too... he got shot the one time then ot back up on stage to stick it to the man... then they claimed he died from an infection in his toe... One of my teachers brought it to my attention how stupid this was... and he's right. its a retarded story... they obviously managed to get to him somehow that second time

emerald

12-02-2009, 12:04 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1141588/Holy-Smoke-Batwoman-makes-comic-book-comeback-red-headed-lesbian.html

hunkahunka

12-02-2009, 03:18 PM

good find on the woodlands thing. an exclusive 'school' does bad shit to kids. what a surprise. not.

I'm not sure that people are realizing the full implications of what we are uncovering here.

here is a basic summary of some of what was recently posted.

- mental hospitals in both Montreal and Vancouver have been linked to horrendous torture and experimentation on 'patients' in their care.

- mass graves near hog farms have been found in both locations, both
in Montreal and Vancouver

- systematic homosexual abuse of children takes place at many of these places, as evidenced at Napa state hospital, Essondale, etc.

- the Pickton pig farm murders are likely linked to mkultra operations

hunkahunka

12-02-2009, 04:09 PM

Woodlands School in Vancouver (child division of Essondale) was torched just six months ago, this past summer after four 'unexplained' fires in four days finally polished it off:

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2008/07/09/bc-090709-woodlands-fire-2.jpg
Flames engulf the Woodlands building in New Westminster on Wednesday, the fourth fire at the site in the past four days. (Amar Parmar/CBC)

Heavy smoke from Woodlands fire a health concern: fire official
4th fire at the site in past 4 days, police say

Wednesday, July 9, 2008 | 7:50 PM P

CBC News

The old Woodlands building in New Westminster, B.C., lay in ruins after a three-alarm blaze burned through the structure Wednesday afternoon.

New Westminster police said the blaze that broke out shortly after 12 noon was the fourth fire at the site in the past four days. Woodlands, built in 1878, was formerly part of a school for children with mental disabilities. It was closed in 1996.

'I felt like I was sitting around a camp fire. It was that strong.'— Sarah McLean, nearby resident

Wednesday's blaze prompted the evacuation of three adjoining condominium complexes in the afternoon, including 150 residents of the 72-unit Victoria Hill condo complex.

Residents of two of the complexes were allowed back home in the evening but were advised to close the windows due to the heavy smoke that was still lingering the area, the New Westminster Fire Department said.

"There’s lots of tar and paper and several layers of wall material that we don’t know what it was," Deputy Fire Chief Jim Cook said. "It was built 100 years ago so whatever they used back in the day will be producing toxic smoke."
The New Westminster Fire Department advised residents who were allowed back to their homes to close all windows because of smoke. The New Westminster Fire Department advised residents who were allowed back to their homes to close all windows because of smoke. (CBC)

Cook said the fire spread quickly and violently, and firefighters could only battle the blaze from the outside.

More than 40 members from the New Westminster and Burnaby fire departments were deployed to the scene.

"The fire is able to travel from room to room very easily. The attic space is totally wide open and the fire has managed to vent its way through the whole building," Cook said.

Sarah McLean, who lives in a high-rise building across the street from the building, said the fire was burning out of control.

"There's a big mushroom cloud of smoke. It took probably about half an hour for the flames to engulf the whole building," McLean told CBC News in a telephone interview.

"I can feel the power from the fire on my balcony.… I felt like I was sitting around a campfire. It was that strong."

Cause of latest fire not known

Sgt. Ivan Chu, a spokesman for the New Westminster Police Department, said Wednesday's blaze was the fourth fire at the Woodlands site in the past four days.

"It's hard to say whether it's a continuation or whether it's an arson," Chu said of the latest fire.

"It's an old, abandoned building. It's been broken into. People have been stealing metal from it over the years. Who knows why it's on fire," he said.

The cause of Wednesday's blaze is not yet known.

Woodlands School was closed in 1996 after the allegations of abuse at Woodlands surfaced.
(extreme hot burning baths and ice water baths, waterboarding, isolation cells , tooth extraction, homosexual rape, whippings, shackles, electroshock, all the usual stuff)

So there all goes all that forensic evidence up in smoke this past summer, just as the interest in Ewen Cameron and Mkultra etc. is peaking, and
four accidental fires in four days did it.

hunkahunka

12-02-2009, 04:38 PM

video on the Woodlands graveyard that was bulldozed and headstones removed:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2331816500186736934&ei=6UCUSenWK4P6-QGa4uGqDA&q=woodlands+school+abuse&hl=en
Arthur Thomas Davis had epilepsy. In the 1920s, he was committed to the Woodlands Institution, a residential hospital for the developmentally challenged and people with mental disabilities. Davis died there in the 1930s and he was buried at the Woodlands Cemetery with 3300 deceased patients from Essondale (now Riverview), the Colony Farm facility for the elderly, and Woodlands. Jump decades ahead. Woodlands became a residential school for children with mental disabilities. As determined in a 2002 report, the students were subjected to physical, mental and sexual abuse. In this period, hospital administrators decided to remove headstones. The headstones were tossed into a ravine or used to pave a picnic patio for staff. For many, the memory of the cemetery is forgotten. Then the school is shut down amid an abuse scandal. All the while an oral history project is started by Simon Fraser University. Former patients talk about a lost cemetery and a patient family and survivor group is formed to find out who is buried there. Arthur Thomas Davis' descendants and other patient families began to lobby the provincial government to address the desecration of the cemetery. Erik Lees, landscape and memorial designer, took on the job restoring the site. Davis' headstone was found and set with 600 other headstones into a series of plinths and memory walls and a garden is built. A few weeks ago, the Woodlands Memorial Garden officially opened and the descendants of Davis gave VBD a tour. «

hunkahunka

13-02-2009, 01:51 AM

http://drx.typepad.com/psychotherapyblog/images/2008/01/31/frances_farmer_2.jpg
Frances Farmer

Western State Hospital and later life

Farmer moved back in with her parents in West Seattle, but she and her mother fought bitterly. Within six months, Farmer physically attacked her mother. Her mother then had Frances Farmer committed to Western State Hospital at Steilacoom, Washington. There, Farmer sometimes received electro-convulsive shock treatment (ECT). Three months later, during the summer of 1944, she was pronounced "completely cured" and released.

While traveling with her father to visit at an aunt's ranch in Reno, Nevada, Farmer ran away. She spent time with a family who had picked her up hitchhiking, but she was eventually arrested for vagrancy in Antioch, California. Her arrest received wide publicity. Offers for help came in from across the country, but Farmer ignored them all. After a long stay with her aunt in Nevada, Farmer went back to her parents. At her mother's request, at age 32, Farmer was recommitted to Western State Hospital in May 1945 and remained there almost five years, with the exception of a brief parole in 1946.

http://www.historylink.org/db_images/farmmom.JPG
Farmer with her demented looking mother

Farmer was ridiculed and dismissed for her accounts of being raped on
military bases, but it turns out that the very insane asylum that her mother
sent her to, in 1944, was originally a military base.

Fort Steilacoom was decommissioned as a military post in 1868. In 1871 an insane asylum opened there, with the barracks serving as patient and staff housing. Fort Steilacoom is now the mental hospital called Western State Hospital.

hunkahunka

13-02-2009, 02:31 AM

http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/images/tattoo_2/roseanne009.jpg

Roseann Barr sex kitten programming>forgive me

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/149724528_62622ca653.jpg

hunkahunka

13-02-2009, 08:47 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/01/Frances_Farmer_Undated.jpg/200px-Frances_Farmer_Undated.jpg

Frances Elena Farmer (date of birth) : September 19, 1913

By January 1943, she failed to pay the rest of the fine and a bench warrant was issued for her arrest. At almost the same time, a studio hairdresser filed an assault charge alleging that Farmer had dislocated her jaw on the set. The police traced Farmer to the Knickerbocker Hotel in Hollywood. Getting no answer, they entered her room with a pass key. They reportedly found her in bed (some stories include an episode involving the bathroom) and made her dress quickly. By all accounts, she did not surrender peacefully.

At her hearing the next morning, she behaved erratically. She claimed the police had violated her civil rights, demanded an attorney, and threw an inkwell at the judge. He immediately sentenced her to 180 days in jail. She knocked down a policeman and bruised another, along with a matron. She ran to a phone booth where she tried to call her attorney, but was subdued by the police. They physically carried her away as she shouted, “Have you ever had a broken heart?”

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Newspaper reports gave sensationalized accounts of her arrest. Through the efforts of her sister-in-law, a deputy sheriff in Los Angeles County, Farmer was transferred to the psychiatric ward of L.A. General Hospital.[1] There she was diagnosed with "manic depressive psychosis."
First hospitalization
Within days, having been sent to the San Fernando Valley and the Kimball Sanitarium in La Crescenta, Farmer was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

That would make Frances Farmer 29 years old at the time of her first hospitalization.

hunkahunka

13-02-2009, 08:34 PM

ever wonder where the term 'funny farm' came from?
(hint: produces 'vegetables' and 'fruits')

check out this info on the history of Washington State Hospital, where Frances Farmer underwent 'treatment'.

A military installation converted into a lunatic asylum , with a hog farm staffed by 'patients', featuring electroshock , etc.

Could you envision a more exact setting for 'Oz' programming?

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The Run from Farm to Farm

As Fort Steilacoom becomes Western State Hospital

By Hilda Skott

Western State Hospital Dairy Herd

Where woolly sheep once grazed across Puget Sound prairies, Western State Hospital now stands. The hospital today, serving the mentally ill in western Washington, stands amid native firs and flowering ornamentals, looking like a college campus. This transformation has its roots in the days of the first white settlements in the Northwest.

In 1844, during the days of the Joint Occupancy Agreement between Great Britain and the United States, Joseph Thomas Heath arrived from England at Fort Nisqually, a Hudson's Bay Company trading post. He settled on Steilacoom Farm, an area now divided amongst Western State Hospital, a county golf course, Fort Steilacoom County Park, and Pierce College.

By 1847 Heath's livestock included 206 sheep, 18 horses, and 78 cattle, 10 of which were husky oxen used for pulling loaded farm wagons. Oxen also drew the plows that broke the virgin sod in preparation for planting.

Heath grew about 100 acres of such crops as wheat, peas, and potatoes. His cows produced enough butter for export. The rolling hills of his 640 acres served as acreage for crops and pasture land for animals. Timberland supplied lumber needed in farm buildings, threshing floors, fence posts, and butter casks.

Nearby Indians of the Steilacoom, Snoqualmie, and Skokomish tribes provided needed labor for the farm. Heath also bartered with the Indians. For deer, duck, salmon, and trout he offered blankets, shirts, needles, and medical help. Barter included payment for labor.

Heath died in March 1849. In August of that year Captain Bennett Hill and his army artillery company arrived in the area to establish a military post to protect settlers in what had by then become Oregon Territory. In late August 1849 the American army agreed to rent the buildings and 373.75 acres of the farm for $50 a month. Fort Steilacoom served as a supply depot and refuge from 1849 to 1868. During the Indian wars of 1855-56, the garrison served as headquarters for the Ninth Infantry.

Local settlers, when they feared Indian attacks, packed their belongings, hitched up their oxen-drawn wagons, and sought refuge at the fort. Ezra Meeker, prominent Puget Sound pioneer, recounted one such gathering: "A sorry mess . . . women and children crying, cows bellowing, sheep bleating, dogs howling...utmost disorder." During this period Washington became a territory (in 1853) and Oregon a state (in 1859).

April 22, 1868: On the parade ground in front of the commanding officer's home, probably accompanied by a cannon salute and drum roll, the lowering of the last flag at Fort Steilacoom took place.

The last military unit to hold Fort Steilacoom was Battery E, Second Artillery, with 5 officers and 124 men, Captain Charles Pierce, officer in charge. Elwood Evans, a leading citizen from Olympia, secured the flag as it came down the shaft. This flag, badly frayed and holding 37 stars, rests today in Historic Fort Steilacoom's Interpretive Center on the grounds of Western State Hospital.

Legislation introduced in Congress in 1868 to give Fort Steilacoom to Washington Territory did not pass. Dorothea Dix, a 19th-century social reformer, arrived in Portland in 1869. After investigating treatment of the mentally ill in Washington Territory, she wrote to Governor Alvin Flanders, that "provision and care are both inadequate and unsuitable." She urged, "in the interest of humanity," that the governor remove patients from their Monticello (modern-day Longview) location and take them to Portland.

Dix also wrote to Elwood Evans and to the Daily Pacific Tribune of Olympia. She described housing as barren as a barn, cell-like rooms, sanitation that left "sinks never washed" and "very dirty bedding." In November 1869 a legislator presented the letters to the House Select Committee. He declared "the present system for the government and care of the insane wholly inadequate... and as an expensive failure." He feared that this "will detract seriously from the rising reputation of our Territory."

On January 15, 1870, Washington's territorial legislature bought the garrison buildings for use as an "Insane Asylum for Washington Territory." Construction of the fort cost $200,000; the territorial legislature paid $850.

On August 19, 1871, 21 patients (15 men and 6 women) transferred from Monticello where they had been cared for by James Huntington and W. W. Hays for one dollar per patient per day.

Three years later, on April 15, 1874, Congress approved the donation of 373.75 acres of Fort Steilacoom to Washington Territory for "an asylum for the insane and for no other purpose." Over the years, the institution's acreage increased, mainly by purchase, eventually to equal, and even exceed, the size of Steilacoom Farm. In 1921 the total was 670 acres; by the 1940s the total had become 860 acres.

In 1875 the legislature renamed the institution the "Hospital for the Insane in Washington Territory." During the first days of the hospital's operation patients occupied old barracks. As the hospital grew, Officers Row, on the north side of the parade ground, housed doctors and staff. The commanding officer's quarters became the superintendent's residence. In time, trellised vines enclosed the veranda, flowers graced the front lawn, and a picket fence added to a homelike atmosphere.

Of the original 25 buildings acquired from the fort, four structures still remain. Three officers' quarters and the chaplaincy have been placed on the National Register of Historic Places and serve today as the center of operations for the Historic Fort Steilacoom Association.

Two early structures built by the hospital also remain: a bakery, built in 1901, and the old morgue, built in 1907. They stand together, surrounded by newer structures, looking like shriveled grandparents encircled by recent generations. (Both buildings are also on the National Register of Historic Places.)

The arrival in 1880 of Dr. John W. Waughop as hospital superintendent signaled a new era for the institution. Waughop remained at his post for 17 years. His influence is still in evidence even today

The territorial legislature, in 1886, passed a bill to establish a permanent territorial hospital for the mentally ill, appropriating $100,000 for its operation.

Formal opening, "one of the most brilliant events in the territory," took place December 15, 1887. Governor Eugene Semple, along with legislative representatives and members of the press, arrived from Olympia by boat. One hundred Tacomans also came by water. Four hundred people joined the governor for dinner. A concert opened with the hospital's band playing the "Grand March" from Tannhäuser.

A number of solos, duets, and quartets-vocal and instrumental-were followed by a "laughable farce." "The music of bewitching waltzes" resounded through the halls, and some celebrants remained until dawn.

In 1888, possibly in anticipation of statehood, the territorial legislature officially named the institution "Western Washington Hospital for the Insane."

Dr. Waughop instituted a building program, adding wings to older structures for new wards and erecting a central kitchen and powerhouse. New landscaping beautified the grounds. A Chinese empress tree, its purple bloom spread across its crown, continues to blossom every spring.

Dr. Waughop's attention to patients, while concentrating on custodial care, convinced him they needed occupation. Some farming took place from early days of the institution. Waughop expanded agricultural pursuits, building new barns and adding a dairy herd to supply milk as well as patient activity. Meat came from hogs and chickens, the latter also providing eggs. At the turn of the century, farm produce "provided one-third the cost of subsistence" at the hospital, according to Clara Cooley, author of a Western State Hospital history. Patients also assisted in the carpenter, tin, and blacksmith shops, and in the laundry and the kitchen. Work became therapeutic occupation for patients.

In recent years a hospital employee, poking around in dark corners of the hospital commissary, discovered a dusty plaque honoring Waughop. Signed in 1906 by Governor Albert Mead, it reads:

In memory of Dr. John W. Waughop, Superintendent of this hospital from 1880 to 1897. He was the practical creator of the institution as it now exists. Through his professional attainments, his executive ability, and his intelligence as a man, the institution was built up and took high position among those of the country.

Dr. William Keller, a vigorous leader known for his tendency to support the underdog, became the hospital's next notable superintendent in October 1914. He supported more humane patient treatment, eight-hour workdays for hospital attendants, and legislation to allow voluntary admission for people with psychiatric problems. Chairs replaced benches for patients in halls and day rooms. China, rather than earthenware, appeared on ward dining tables. Cut flowers from the greenhouse graced tables in lounges, reception areas, and dining rooms.

In 1915 the Washington State Legislature changed the institution's name to the one it still holds, Western State Hospital. Dr. Keller extended farm operations and developed a top-notch dairy herd. Sadly, when Washington's Department of Agriculture began to require that all milk cows in the state be tested for tuberculosis, all but five cows in the hospital herd tested positive. Farm herds in the entire state were hit. In some quarters rumor ran that authorities, arriving on farms to destroy tubercular livestock, came face to face with farmers wielding pitchforks and shotguns.

Keller huddled with state officials to devise a plan. Rather than slaughter the state's dairy cattle, the hospital would accept some of the diseased animals, isolate them, and give special attention to newborn calves. Immediately after birth, before nursing, a calf would be removed from its mother. All milk was to be boiled before use.

In this manner, newborn calves were tuberculosis-free. The state's best farm herds were saved. Among those saved, a future wonder cow among the hospital herd appeared.

A registered purebred Holstein cow named Steilacoom Prilly Ormsby Blossom achieved a world record. In her lifetime, 1921-38, she produced 258,210 pounds of milk containing 9,558 pounds of butterfat. The hospital dairy herd, "famous over the nation," produced cows that brought home blue and red ribbons from the Western Washington Fair. The hospital farm exhibit-its flowers, fruits, and vegetables-also snatched their share of prizes at the fair.

Joseph Heath's cows produced casks of butter for export; hospital herds won prizes and fed all the patients. Just like the old Heath farm, the hospital farm-until its closure in 1965-took its place as a productive agricultural enterprise.

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Born on September 19, 1913, Frances Elena Farmer was the third child of Lillian Van Ornum (d. 1955) and Ernest Melvin Farmer (d. 1956). Her father, a son of a Minnesota circuit county judge, was a lawyer who settled in Seattle in 1900.

jesuitsdidit

13-02-2009, 10:34 PM

apparently the creation of The Beatles was a psy-op..

hunkahunka

14-02-2009, 01:35 AM

Found this on Pickton pig farm victim Stephanie Lane:

Before being introduced to heroin and cocaine and the hooker stroll, twenty-year-old Stephanie had been a “pretty and very popular” straight-A student, indulged, perhaps overindulged, by her doting parents, Michele Pineault and George Lane. Stephanie began her plunge into the Eastside abyss while working at a club called Number 5 Orange.

It turns out that Number 5 Orange was owned and operated by the Hells
Angels:

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Last night, members of the Integrated Gang Unit entered the No. 5 Orange strip bar at Main & Powell St. They could be seen by a man standing in the free soup line up at the Sally Ann which parks across the street on Tuesday nights. "There were six of them," he says. "They had yellow stripes up the sides of their pants so I knew they were RCMP. They had dark jackets with 'Gang Unit' or "Gang something' on the back." They arrived in unmarked cars.
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7 comments:
who owns the #5 orange?? jesus fuckin christ....
February 3, 2008 7:17 AM

reliable sources said...

In answer to your question about who owns the #5 Orange, if you ask any Downtown Eastsider, the answer you will get is that it's owned by the Hell's Angels.
February 3, 2008 8:50 PM

(This column was published in the North Shore News on Aug. 1, 2001)

Project Nova worked well

By Leo Knight

THE sentencing last week of two members of the Hells Angels East End chapter brought to a close a saga which started five years ago.

Project Nova began in the wake of an extortion investigation into two senior Hells Angels called Project Breakpoint, which ended without prosecution, much to the frustration of police investigators angered by the decision to terminate a wiretap intercept warrant just days into the authorization.

Robert Molesberry had been a doorman at the Number 5 Orange strip bar in the Downtown Eastside. That was the legitimate part of his life. He also ran a marijuana grow-op for one Hells Angel and sold cocaine for two others.

He had a piece of bad luck when someone "ripped the grow," leaving him empty-handed and trying to explain the situation to the biker he worked for. He was "fined" $10,000 for his perceived transgression. He also owed two other Angels $1,500 for a fronted ounce of cocaine.

When he couldn't come up with the money he got kicked around behind the strip bar in a less than gentle reminder about his need to pay the assigned debt. This made him mad; after all, he had worked for the bikers for over two years and made them a ton of money. He found, much to his chagrin, that there is a price to be paid when you sleep with the devil.

Molesberry also ran an after-hours club for the bikers in Vancouver which was used by the Angels to move a lot of dope through. He later told police, "F*** these guys. I made them so much money over the years and they do this to me. Well f*** them."

With that, Molesberry became an agent for the Vancouver police. But, this also presented a problem for the two officers who interviewed him. They were concerned that the police and the Attorney General's office may be compromised and had no confidence that a long-term project could be run. Then-Vancouver Police department Const. Al Dalstrom, testified in court about the situation saying there were security concerns in the police community and "we wanted to take our investigation and work off-site somewhere away from the police community."

Dalstrom and his partner, Andy Richards, took a proposal to then-VPD Chief Constable Ray Canuel. They laid out what they needed and outlined their concerns. Canuel made a decision to fund an investigation from his contingency fund, then about $200,000. He also arranged for a team to be detached from Strike Force to work the file on a full-time basis, assigning Inspector Peter Ditchfield to oversee the investigation.

The last problem was the security issue and the possibility of the Hells Angels having compromised the police community. Canuel arranged to use an intercept room at regional CSIS headquarters as a base for the crew. Project Nova was born.

The subsequent years were a roller-coaster ride for the police officers involved. It only ended last week when East End chapter members Francisco "Chico" Pires and Ronaldo "Ronnie" Lissing were sentenced to four and a half years in federal prison for conspiracy to traffic in cocaine.

But, they weren't the only victories claimed by Project Nova. In fact, the investigation yielded an impressive score. By the time the operation was concluded the police had seized over $12 million in drugs, cash, property and weapons, 57 search warrants were executed and 76 people were charged with various offences. Most pled guilty including the last one in February, Romano Brienza, the former president of the Regulators. His brother is Vincenzo "Vinnie" Brienza, a senior member of the Haney chapter of the Hells Angels. He was arrested with a kilo of cocaine, 30 pounds of marijuana and a gun.

But the most important thing produced by Project Nova was the destruction of the Hells Angels' ability to say the police were wrong about them being an organized criminal group. In fact, on a radio talk show before Nova was terminated, Vancouver Chapter member and frequent spokesman for the bikers, Rick Ciarnello, dared Dalstrom to prove they were criminals. That's exactly what Dalstrom and his colleagues did.

In explaining the results of Nova to me, Dalstrom, now a sergeant with the Organized Crime Agency of B.C., said, "Nova showed the distinct networks of the Hells Angels and how their structures worked. For the first time, we were able to prove in court what we always said, the Angels are as much organized crime as the Mafia."

Realistically, Nova could have gone much further, but there was no more money. Said one of the investigators, "if the funding had been there we could have gone up the food chain. It's a lot less intensive to run an agent-based wire than to run a full-blown wire op. We control the agent and the meets. It takes money to play in this game and we didn't have it."

In fact, the agent, Molesberry, now in the witness protection program, made six hand-to-hand ounce-level cocaine purchases from the Angels. But when the agent couldn't come up with the money to make bigger purchases, the Angels determined he wasn't worth their time and handed him down to two "employees" further down in their network, losing the opportunity for the police to continue using the agent to make buys and climb the ladder of the organization. That's when they turned it into a full-blown wire/surveillance operation.

The officer shook his head at the irony of it. "We're the police and we couldn't afford to do business with them."

hunkahunka

14-02-2009, 04:38 AM

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hunkahunka

14-02-2009, 05:35 AM

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Fort Steilacoom later became Western State mental hospital and hog farm

hunkahunka

14-02-2009, 06:57 AM

"One woman who declined to give her name said she has known the Pickton brothers for more than 10 years and often joined them for outings to a biker bar in Burnaby. The brothers rode Harley-Davidson motorcycles and mingled with biker gangs, she said."

B.C. police were told years ago of pig farm

Mother says she hopes they find bodies there

Saturday, February 9, 2002

By LEWIS KAMB AND MIKE BARBER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTERS

PORT COQUITLAM, B.C. -- Lynn Frey has made the half-day trip countless times from her home in Campbell River on Vancouver Island to the avenues of British Columbia's biggest city.

For the past four years, she and her sister have braved the sleazy streets of Vancouver's Eastside tenderloin district, questioning the unfortunate women who haunt the streets, in a lonely search for Frey's troubled daughter.

About two years ago they began hearing from drug users and prostitutes who might have known Frey's daughter, Marnie, who was 24 when she disappeared in 1997. The bits and pieces of information seemed to point to an inconspicuous, muddy pig farm 22 miles out of town.

One of the men who lived at the farm was well-known to girls who work the streets, and in 1997 had been arrested for trying to kill a prostitute, she heard. It was a dirty place on a potholed road amid a blossoming bedroom community, the girls told her. It was a place many only heard about and refused to go to even though its hosts threw great parties, lest they be left with no way back to Vancouver, Frey recalls.

The stories resonated with Frey. The swampy farm was too close to home, blocks from the home of her own sister. The pig farm seemed eerie to both of them, she said.

"It was like a magnet," alternately attracting and repelling, she said.

Yet when Frey suggested that Vancouver police investigating the disappearances of dozens of missing women in recent years look at the place, her words seemed to fall on deaf ears. Her fading hopes were buoyed, though, when a joint police task force of Vancouver police and Royal Canadian Mounted Police was formed last year to look into the disappearances of 50 women in what is believed to be Canada's most prolific string of serial slayings.

Two days ago, Frey steeled her heart again.

"The task force called me (Wednesday) night to let me know there was going to be something on the media the next day," Frey said. "I thought nothing of it. I've been in touch with the police and called umpteen times in the last four years."

On Thursday, images of the pig farm flashed across television screens and newspaper pages as the task force searched the farm amid speculation of a major break in the case. Frey felt her heart soar, then crash.

"My heart went to my stomach," she said. "I hope this doesn't sound callous, I don't know how else to say it, but I am hoping -- I'm willing to believe -- that they will find bodies.

"Over the years you get your hopes up high to find her, only to have them drop like a falling elevator. I need closure now to carry on with my life. How many times can a mother do this?"

Mothers, fathers, family and friends of many of the missing women have driven to the farm now under police seal. Like Frey, they believe police waited too long to take their fears seriously. Some say they also alerted investigators to their suspicions and tips about one of the farmers, even as the list of missing women grew.

Two brothers, Robert William and David Francis Pickton, and their sister, Linda, own the farm where they grew up. They became wealthy, by some reports, by selling off parcels for development. Rows of townhouses border the north of the farm, a golf course flanks the east, where the nearby Pitt River flows toward the Fraser River. The brothers live on the last 10 acres.

Early yesterday, investigators could be seen shoveling dirt or manure mounds in a plank barn on the property near the confluence of the Fraser and Pitt rivers.

Robert Pickton, 52, was arrested Tuesday on three weapons violations after police served a search warrant on the pale yellow house. According to the Vancouver Sun, officers found identification cards and other personal items belonging to two missing women, prompting another search.

Pickton was released from custody Wednesday, but is due in court on Feb. 28. Police yesterday declined to say if they know where he is or whether he is under surveillance. Police also declined to call Pickton a suspect in the disappearances, saying only that he is among "hundreds" of people still under scrutiny.

Asked at a news conference about the criticism that Vancouver police bungled by not looking sooner at the Pickton farm, Detective Scott Driemel, spokesman for the department, said any information gathered years ago was "shared, and whatever could be acted upon was."

"We're not about to go back and defend ourselves for something that happened years ago," he said, adding that resource constraints and time needed to track thousands of leads complicated early investigation efforts. But authorities are now "aggressively pursuing the investigation," he said.

Other officials said they have been diligent, but it takes time to examine hundreds of tips to determine what was hearsay and what was legally actionable, and that it is difficult to track down prostitutes and drug users who live a transient lifestyle, often using different names.

While the list of 50 missing women dates back to 1983, most dropped out of sight in the 1990s, including 31 since 1997.

Last fall, the new task force said the missing persons cases were being treated as multiple homicides. While task force members have consulted King County investigators looking into the Green River slayings of 49 women -- many of them prostitutes -- between 1982 and 1984, police in both countries see no link.

Neighbors say Pickton and his younger brother, David, sometimes threw late night parties and pig roasts in a makeshift, unlicensed nightclub known as "Piggy's Palace."

Over the years, the brothers raised fewer pigs, instead selling fill-dirt and gravel from the farm and dabbling in building demolition, friends said.

One woman who declined to giver her name said she has known the brothers for more than 10 years and often joined them for outings to a biker bar in Burnaby. The brothers rode Harley-Davidson motorcycles and mingled with biker gangs, she said.

She described David Pickton as generous and friendly, but said "Willy" was creepy.

"He kind of kept to himself, hanging out back there in the piggery all the time," she said.

Willy, a tall, thin man with a halo of long and curly dirty blond hair, once showed the woman how he boiled pigs in a large vat, she said.

"It kind of freaked me out," she said.

Friends and relatives of the missing women say they became aware of Robert Pickton after his name surfaced in 1997, when a prostitute and drug addict accused him of trying to stab her to death during an encounter at the farm in 1997. Pickton was charged with attempted murder, aggravated assault and unlawful confinement, but charges were later dropped. The woman, who had run screaming from the farm in handcuffs, reportedly refused to testify. Her whereabouts is unknown.

Those who know Pickton, who was also seriously wounded during the incident, have a different version of the attack. They say a prostitute pulled a knife and tried to rob Pickton, slashing him across the chin.

Yet those who tried to point police toward the farm over the years believe authorities missed their chance to stop the disappearances.

"They dropped the ball on this," said Wayne Leng, a B.C. native who now lives in California. His friend, Sarah deVries, is one of the missing women. He said he first told Vancouver police about a pig farmer known as "Willy" in mid-1998, after a man told him about an assault of a prostitute, and of finding women's clothing and identification at the farm.

"I think that more women would be alive today if they would have acted sooner," Leng said yesterday.

That authorities knew of tips and Pickton's past run-ins with the law years ago, but did not key in on the pig farmer until now "really pisses me off," said Carrie Kerr, a 28-year-old Maple Ridge woman whose sister went missing in 1997.

When Kerr's older sister, Helen Hallmark, a drug user and known prostitute, didn't show up for Christmas that year, "we knew something was wrong," Kerr said. "They knew about this guy for years, and they didn't do anything about it," she said. "How many women are dead now because of it?"

Frey, meanwhile, wonders what might have happened to her daughter. The tale of Marnie's slide into prostitution, and the battles to save her, is a familiar one to the victims' families she has met.

"Marnie was a very loving person. If a stranger walking down a street needed 50 cents and that was all she had, she'd give the last 50 cents in her pocket," her mother said.

"Marnie got mixed up with the wrong people, started doing cocaine, then heroin. She was 19 or 20 when it started. When she got on heroin, she went to the streets of Vancouver to support her heroin habit, and started living that life. We couldn't stop her."

Frey said her daughter, however, worried about her family and called several times a week to let them know she was OK. That stopped almost five years ago.

Frey and her husband, Dean, a commercial fisherman, kept their doors open to their daughter and waged a battle over the years for her life.

She came back home several times, thin, sick, vomiting, determined to clean the toxins from her body.

Once she made it into drug treatment in Victoria.

Always she bolted in less than a week, surrendering to heroin. Marnie's body would ache from withdrawal, her mother said, the shakes, vomiting, her bones aching. Her family's heart ached, too.

"The doors were never closed and they still are not," her mother said.

hunkahunka

14-02-2009, 02:45 PM

"In June, Dave Pickton was notified that the Crown was seeking to subpoena him for this trial, but that never happened. At the time, Dave Pickton told reporters he had more important things to do anyway – specifically, attending a biker rally in South Dakota."

Pickton 'was kind of Mom's boy'

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Dec 03, 2007 04:30 AM
Rosie DiManno

NEW WESTMINSTER, B.C. - On a lovely fall evening, a 14-year-old boy was hit by a truck as he walked alongside a rural road.

The driver of that red GMC, himself only 16 and just recently having acquired a driver's licence, was understandably horrified. In a panic – leaving the victim there, still alive – he fled home and blurted to his mother what happened.

That woman, as a family friend later told author Stevie Cameron, was Louise Pickton, domineering and tough-minded mother of Robert "Willie" Pickton – the 58-year-old pig butcher who now awaits a jury's verdict on six first-degree murder charges.

Dave Pickton was the truck driver, younger and purportedly much more clever brother of the accused. And Louise Pickton, as portrayed in The Pickton File – indeed, as suggested by occasional references during this 10-month trial – was one formidable matriarch, two decades younger than a husband who seemed only peripherally involved in the upbringing of their three children.

Willie Pickton, it's claimed, actually recounted this story in later years: How his mom drove to the spot where the injured boy lay, checked him over, then leaned down to push and roll the youth into a ditch, some 10 feet distant. Then she went back home.

A coroner's report provided to the Star concluded the youth – Tim Barrett – drowned. While seriously injured when slammed by the vehicle, those traumas, a fractured pelvis and sub-cranial hemorrhage, would not have caused death.

Louise Pickton was never charged in connection with the incident. Dave Pickton's juvenile file remains sealed. And Willie Pickton, well, he was just a household observer to events.

It is irresistible to wonder, however, how the dynamics of the Pickton family helped forge his character, growing up on what was then an isolated farm, the most lumpen of the Pickton spawn. Like "two peas in a pod," Pickton told investigators of he and his mom. "Cranky" and "different" as sister Linda described Willie in a 2002 interview with the Vancouver Sun.

"Robert, he just adored Mom. He and Mom were so close. Robert was never close to Dad. Robert was kind of Mom's boy."

Courtroom testimony has been contradictory about Pickton's persona, variously described as kindly and contemptuous towards sex-trade workers, either a frequent client or someone with a dim libido.

In fact – apart from what the Crown has alleged Pickton did to the six drug-addicted prostitutes he's accused of murdering and dismembering – a history of violence against women has more quantifiably been mounted against little brother Dave: convicted in '93 of sexual assault and investigated in '98 over another assault.

While earlier telling police that each of her limbs had been tied to a corner of the bed with a bungee cord, and pills shoved into her mouth, the woman afterwards refused to testify against Dave in court and the investigation was dropped.

Dave Pickton remains, police have told court, a "person of interest" in this case, but there was never enough evidence against the man to justify charges.

He's never agreed to be formally interviewed.

In June, Dave Pickton was notified that the Crown was seeking to subpoena him for this trial, but that never happened. At the time, Dave Pickton told reporters he had more important things to do anyway – specifically, attending a biker rally in South Dakota.

This jury has heard that Dave Pickton had "disdain" for prostitutes. Unlike Willie, Dave had girlfriends, even a long-time common-law spouse who came to live on the farm when she was 17 – pitching in to help with the chores, as commanded by Mama Pickton.

Mama's dead. Papa's dead. Neither Dave nor Linda has ever attended Willie's trial.
Rosie DiManno usually appears Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.

hunkahunka

14-02-2009, 04:14 PM

Defence witness Bill Malone says he built the Pickton nightclub, Piggy's Palace, to rival any club in big city Vancouver. "We put in a sound system that was comparable to any club in Vancouver," Malone testified. "We built proper stages, we brought in everything .. It would have the full atmosphere of any nightclub." .. Parties would be thrown five to six times a year between 1995 and 1998, hosting between 325 and 600 people. "We had turkey, roast beef, we had any buffet-style menu you would find at any big restaurant," Malone said. Roasted pig was also served. "From pigs that Robert would buy at the auction and butcher," Malone said. "And then Pat [Casanova] would barbecue them." "It was a rough crowd" at Piggy's Palace, said Brian, a musician who played there a few years ago with the hard-rock band South City Slam .. "Even the women were tough- looking -- a lot of leather and denim .. he hooked up with Dave Pickton when the now-defunct band played at the South City Club in New Westminster .. The crowd at Piggy's Palace often included men wearing Hells Angels biker club colours .. "The people who came all seemed to know one another." .. The City of Port Coquitlam .. attempted, but failed, to get a court order in 1996 to force the Picktons and their Piggy's Palace Good Times Society to cease throwing parties on the property. The society was incorporated in 1996 with five directors, including the Picktons, and was dissolved in January 2000 for failing to file annual statements .. "I wasn't really keen on spending New Year's Eve on a pig farm, but the money was good," Brian said. He made about $500 a night .. The dances would usually start with a roast pork dinner about 8 p.m. The band would start about 9:30 p.m. and play until 1 or later. Among those who attended parties at Piggy's Palace was Port Coquitlam Mayor Scott Young .. He described the party as a "getting to know you" event put on by people living in the area."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqOjIm1rNQ

hunkahunka

15-02-2009, 12:31 AM

very comprehensive news feature in today's Globe and Mail
re: the notorious crack whore district of East Vancouver where
the Hells Angels are claiming most of their pig murder victims:

video:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090211.wvdteslehmannvid1/VideoStory/thefix/?pid=RTGAM.20090209.wdtes_money0209

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/v5/content/series/thefix/images/dtesmap532.png

link to feature:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/thefix/

hunkahunka

15-02-2009, 02:08 PM

This latest find on Pickton victim and prostitute Stephanie Lane having stripped at a club (no. 5 Orange) owned by the Hells Angels in Vancouver, Canada reminds me of another identical case in Australia involving a stripper, Hells Angels, a car salvage yard/hog farm, and a mulcher.

A bit of background on how I found out about this other case in Australia.

Regarding the Pickton case, there has been much discussion about how there must have been others involved, as the Pickton brothers held giant Hells Angels parties in their dance hall barn called Piggy Palace, and how all the girls killed were junky prostitutes associated with the drug traffic that the bikers were all connected with, etc., and how most of the women killed were in the process of trying to leave the streets.

At Pickton's trial, the farm was described as a 'hive of activity', in fact the brothers ran several businesses simultaneously from it, not to mention its use as a general biker party house/hangout. Yet at this 'hive of activity',
we are to believe that the often inebriated Pickton, described by his own defense team as being of low intelligence, was able to secretly abduct, rape, torture, murder , mutilate and then mulch at least 49 women, ALONE, without any one else around the place knowing about it. Three severed heads were found in a fridge, cut in half, along with hands and feet.

I began to suspect that these killings were the work of an organized network
and that mulching bodies and feeding them to pigs would be an extremely efficient means of completely disposing of bodies. (Pigs even eat the bones) and looked for any more reported cases of bodies being fed to pigs. I found this story of a stripper in Australia who was
tortured and raped by Hells Angels in an almost identical setting:

Monday, July 16, 2007
Woman Claims Hells Angels To Blame For Five days of rape & Torture

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yN-8fRG8l0g/RpsVWMohYsI/AAAAAAAAAEs/Y-3fSTALpZI/s1600/DHLOGO2.gifA SENIOR Hells Angels bikie has been accused of leading a gang that raped and tortured a Melbourne woman in a cruel, five-day abduction.

The woman, 39, said she had spent seven years on the run from the gang after they dragged her into a car from a Coburg street in May 2000 and used her as a sex slave.

"Michelle" has alleged a prime figure in the pack rapes was a senior office holder of the Hells Angels.

"I thought they were going to kill me," she said.

"They gave me two choices: a single bullet to the head if I was good or, if not, they would put me through the mincer and then feed me to the pigs."

Despite her complaint to police in December 2001, the case and the alleged culprits have never been prosecuted.

She believes up to 15 men raped and tortured her over five days.

Michelle came forward about her brutal treatment at the hands of the Hells Angels after the CBD shootings on June 18.

The trauma of the attack left her suicidal and in fear of her life.

In September 2004, Michelle, who went to police 18 months after the alleged offences, was awarded crime compensation of $7500.

She still needs counselling.

The tribunal was satisfied an offence occurred even though it could not be prosecuted.

The Hells Angel accused of leading the assault is a member of the East County chapter, which is based in Craigieburn.

This is the chapter where Collingwood footballer Alan Didak is believed to have been taken by accused CBD gunman Christopher Wayne Hudson.

Hudson is not linked in any way to the allegations raised by Michelle.

Since the alleged attacks, Michelle has lived at a secret location, changed her name, and has been too scared to have contact with her children.

In her statement to police, the former stripper says her ordeal began as she walked to the Coburg Leisure Centre and a group of men forced her into a car and drove her to a suite at one of Melbourne's top hotels.

Michelle said she was paraded naked in front of at least six men and then taken to a bedroom and raped by the senior Hells Angel and another man.

She told police that up to two days later she was moved to a yard in Melbourne's northern suburbs and chained and handcuffed in a large shed.

There she lay naked on a concrete floor and was tortured and sexually assaulted for days.

Apart from the several sexual assaults, she stated she had a gun forced down her mouth, and was made to perform sex acts with a dog.

Her torture also included having a steel truck gate placed across her legs before being run over by a ute while her attackers laughed.

Her toe was later cut off with an angle grinder and sealed with a blow torch to stop the bleeding.

Michelle said she was fed a base form of drugs while held captive, and she would never forget the men, their tattooed bodies and the AC/DC song played throughout her ordeal - Thunderstruck.

She said she was about to be killed when taken to a caravan park in Campbellfield, where she was rescued by a disgruntled gang member who took pity on her.

The pair fled and eventually headed north in a stolen car before being caught by police.

Michelle pleaded guilty to theft of a motor car, handling stolen goods, possession and use of cannabis and possession of a regulated weapon.

The rapes and bashings left her with hepatitis C, a fractured skull, an injured spine and shoulder, no feeling in her left foot and cracked and missing teeth.

She uses a walking stick because for months after the assault she was too scared to seek medical attention.

A psychological report states she suffers depression, post-traumatic stress disorder and could expect a short life span because of the assaults.

A police source with years of experience investigating outlaw bikie activity has told the Herald Sun that women kept captive in clubhouses were called a "house mouse" by gang members.

He said women were usually chosen for pack rape after getting to know a member.

Police are investigating if five members of the notorious Black Uhlans motorcycle gang-raped a woman, 19, at Lakes Entrance in February.

Michelle said she did not know the men who assaulted her before her abduction, but she believed they knew she was a stripper.

"I can't imagine any human being being in that frame of mind," she said.

"I can't imagine Hells Angels Australia-wide all being like that.

"I haven't been able to have contact with my children. I can't live a normal life.

"We (she and her partner) can't visit family whenever we feel like it. You start to get over the post-traumatic stress and then you see them on the news or making headlines for all the wrong reasons.

"I live in fear on a daily basis. I have to watch where I go. I try never ever to be alone."

No Hells Angels were charged over the alleged assaults. Michelle has made assertions of police corruption regarding officers who dealt with her case.

The case was investigated by the police Ethical Standards Department and the Office of Police Integrity.

But investigators found there was no evidence of corruption and there was not enough evidence for a successful prosecution.

The bikie accused of leading the attack on Michelle said through a worker at his company he was not interested in speaking to the Herald Sun.

Source: Herald-Sun

This stripper reported being abducted, held captive, and raped in 2000 by Hells Angels who threatened to put her through a mulcher alive and feed her to the pigs. This happened in Australia, but the interesting part is that this was reported to the police in 2001, and this would have been two years before Pickton was even charged in Canada, with exactly the same crime, so it is not possible that these Australian Hells Angels were simply copying something that they heard about Hells Angels (Pickton brothers) doing in Canada, nor is it possible that the woman concocted the story based on something she'd heard about the Vancouver case.

Quote:

She told police that up to two days later she was moved to a yard in Melbourne's northern suburbs and chained and handcuffed in a large shed. There she lay naked on a concrete floor and was tortured and sexually assaulted for days. Apart from the several sexual assaults, she stated she had a gun forced down her mouth, and was made to perform sex acts with a dog. Her torture also included having a steel truck gate placed across her legs before being run over by a ute while her attackers laughed.
Her toe was later cut off with an angle grinder and sealed with a blow torch to stop the bleeding.

Even more parallels here: These Australian Hells Angels tortured her in a shed and the metal cutting tools (grinder and blow torch) and truck gate she was tortured with in the shed describe the setting as a chop-shop or car salvage operation with pigs and a mulcher also on the property.

Sounds like the Pickton farm:
Quote:
http://www.thestar.com/article/255636
The Pickton brothers also ran a demolition and car-salvage business on the property.
"When Dave started dumping it got messy with cars and it was just a mess with old machines. It was just a junk collection in the end."

Could there be any more similarities than this? Hells Angels
rape a stripper at a 'yard' on the edge of the city, in what appears to be
a car salvage/chop shop shed, and threaten to mulch her alive and feed her to pigs:

Port Coquitlam? No. Australia! And this happened before anyone else had even heard of the Pickton brothers and Piggy Palace.
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Now, either these guys had their own mulcher and pigs, or ....
they were thinking of taking her to Canada, to a certain farm in
Vancouver.

btw, the Australian stripper reported having 'a gun forced down her mouth',
while a gun with a penis shaped dildo covering the barrel was discovered
on the Pickton farm.

hunkahunka

15-02-2009, 04:02 PM

The Hog Farm is an organization considered to be America's longest running hippie commune. With beginnings as an actual collective hog farm in Tujunga, California, the group, founded in the 1960s by Wavy Gravy, evolved into a "mobile, hallucination-extended family", active internationally in both music and politics.

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Wavy Gravy - activist, clown and frozen dessert - founder of the hippie commune "The Hog Farm."

The Hog Farm is perhaps best known for their involvement with the Woodstock Music Festival. While lodging on Manhattan's East Side from 1968-69, the Farm was approached by Woodstock Ventures with a proposal — participate in a planned music festival in upstate New York. Although the Farm had just bought land in Llano, New Mexico (near Truchas, New Mexico) and the commune had plans to depart New York City and settle in Llano, they accepted the offer to become involved with Woodstock. Recruited to build fire pits and trails on the festival grounds at Woodstock, the Hog Farm convinced the promoter to let them set up a free kitchen as well.

http://www.arthurmag.com/magpie/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/hf1b.jpg

Just prior to Woodstock, the Hog Farm attended the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago. At the convention, the Farm and Abbie Hoffman presented a satirical presidential candidate, a pig named Pigasus, who remained with the Hog Farm after the convention. Upon returning to New York, they were met by the world press at John F. Kennedy International Airport and told for the first time that they had also been assigned the task of providing security at Woodstock.

Gravy called his rather unorthodox security force the "Please Force," a reference to their non-intrusive tactics at keeping order ("please don't do that, please do this instead"). When asked by the press what kind of tools he intended to use to maintain order at the event, his instant response was "Cream pies and seltzer bottles."

Other projects

Shortly after Woodstock, the Hog Farmers helped keep the peace between the cowboys and the hippies at the Texas Pop Festival, where blues giant B. B. King gave Wavy Gravy his name.

Recruited by San Francisco underground radio pioneer Tom Donahue and Warner Brothers Records to travel around the country and be filmed for a movie called Cruising for Burgers, later renamed Medicine Ball Caravan, the Hog Farmers bused themselves across America, setting up stages for mainstream rock artists. Finally, in 1970 after a concert with Pink Floyd in Bishopsbourne, England, the Farmers pooled their movie salaries (and some funds raised for them from a benefit staged by a London commune) and continued their trek across Europe, and into India.

In 1978, the Hog Farm assisted in the founding of the Seva Foundation, a non-profit organization dedicated to alleviating suffering caused by disease and poverty.

[edit] Later years

Today, the Hog Farm is still in existence, with various locations including a headquarters in Berkeley, California, and a 200+ acre farm in Laytonville, California, known as Black Oak Ranch -- also home to Wavy Gravy's performing arts camp for children, Camp Winnarainbow. Black Oak plays host to several music festivals each year, most of which operate in support of charitable causes. One such event was the annual Hog Farm Family Pig-Nic, which has featured performances by artists such as Ben Harper, Spearhead, and others. In recent years the Kate Wolf Memorial Music Festival and Earthdance festivals have been held there.

http://www.jordansplace.net/web/assets/tshirt_camp.jpg

http://www.larry-fox.com/Content/Posters/HogFarmPignic99.jpg

hunkahunka

16-02-2009, 04:53 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/Wavy_gravy.jpg

Wavy Gravy (born Hugh Nanton Romney on May 15, 1936)

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In 1965, when Wavy Gravy and his wife (then known as Bonnie Jean) were living in a one-room cabin in Sunland, California outside Los Angeles, they and 40 of their closest friends in the Grateful Dead and the Merry Pranksters (Kesey was on the lam in Mexico at the time) posed for a photograph for a Life magazine cover. "The landlord went ballistic," Wavy recalls, "and we were bummed for about an hour and a half until a neighbor came by and said, 'Old Saul up on that mountain had a stroke and they need somebody to slop them hogs!’ So we were given a mountain top rent-free for slopping 45 hogs." Thus was born the Hog Farm, soon to hit the road in buses purchased with money earned as extras in Otto Preminger's Skidoo, presenting the free "Hog Farm and Friends in Open Celebration" show all over the country.

Each summer, Camp Winnarainbow conducts four two-week sessions for kids, a one-week introductory session for seven-year-old novices, and a one-week session for grownups. Volunteer teachers share such skills as juggling, unicycling, tightrope walking, and trapeze, as well as music and art. A lot of the kids who are running the camp now started as campers when they were seven.They can usually do it on a unicycle while juggling three balls. We curry both hemispheres of the E brain. In school, kids learn numbers and letters; we teach timing and balance, which I think is equally important – without competition, except with yourself."

Camp Winnarainbow's concept of practice embraces so much more than physical skills. Mornings begin with Wavy reading from something like the Tao Te Ching or Everything I Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten, and then the kids choose between high-intensity aerobics or yoga for their warm-ups. "I've also in the last five years discovered that kids will do anything if they can stay up later than other kids, even sit with a straight back and watch their breath. So we instituted WISE Gaias. WISE is Winnarainbow Inner Space Exploration. Three or four years ago we created a labyrinth for Jose Arguelles’s Dreamspell ceremony. They leave their problems at the center of the labyrinth and come out pretty clean."

Thanks to royalties from the Ben & Jerry's Wavy Gravy ice cream flavor and grants from the Grateful Dead's Rex Foundation, Winnarainbow is able to provide camp scholarships for homeless children from the Bay Area and Native American kids from a reservation in South Dakota. That assures what Wavy calls "a little diverse miniworld."

Courtney Love appeared on the back of the album
sleave for the Grateful Dead album titled: AOXOMOXOA (1969)

http://www.connollyco.com/discography/grateful_dead/aoxomoxoa_hi.jpg
Front

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h196/moe1982/aoxomoxoa.jpg
back (Courtney Love is the little girl at the bottom right, 5 years old)
Courtney's father was Grateful Dead manager Hank Harrison

hunkahunka

16-02-2009, 06:57 AM

I found this interview with Ralph "Sonny" Barger, former President of the Oakland Hells Angels chapter where he discussed his relationship with Grateful Dead head man Jerry Garcia:

Interviewer:
What about the late Grateful Dead guitarist Jerry Garcia?
Sonny Barger:
Jerry Garcia was a very good friend of mine. Jerry and I got along well, Jerry and the club got along well. I love Jerry's 60s music; I didn't like Jerry's 90s music. I would go to a concert and he would get the band to play a song just for me and I'd say, "Jerry it stinks, you got to go back," and he would get so mad."

I would imagine the Grateful Dead and the Hells Angels got along for one main reason and that is that the band gave respect to the Hells Angels. From what I have read it sort of began when Hells Angels member Chocolate George, a much loved Angel got killed, the Grateful Dead & Big Brother & The Holding Company did a memorial show in Haight Ashbury for Chocolate George back around '66 or '67. (Big Brother did many a HA benefit show. The cover of Cheap Thrills has the HAMC emblem and the words "approved by Hells Angels" on it.)
They liked each other, who knows why

hunkahunka

16-02-2009, 07:14 AM

Grateful Dead's Jerry Garcia financed the making of the 1983 film, Hells Angels Forever

video:
http://hollywood.premiere.com/video/movies/Hells_Angels_Forever/#43014

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_3AjBCUj24&feature=related

hunkahunka

16-02-2009, 03:10 PM

apparently the creation of The Beatles was a psy-op..

to understand how Beatlemania was manufactured, one need only watch
the opening of this film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkKra3_pfBY

This hysteria was carefully crafted, staged, and nurtured, and not just for the movie. imo, the whole thing was staged from the beginning, and the film opening here just proves how easily it could be done.

Just like the Laurel Canyon scene was propelled by the well orchestrated 'Carl and Vito gypsy freaks dancers' showing up and going nuts at every staged event, Beatlemania must have been a similarly prepared phenomenon.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010124080100/http://www.illuminati-news.com/20-20.htm

Thursday, December 8 at 10 PM EST, the 20th anniversary of the date
former Beatle John Lennon was gunned down on a New York City street,
20/20 will air a segment which focuses in part on Lennon's killer,
Mark David Chapman.

NewsHawk has previously published several articles which made note
of the fact that Chapman was without ANY doubt a CIA-trained
MK-ULTRA style mind-controlled, "Manchurian Candidate" assassin.

We made note of the fact that in the course of being interviewed by
Playboy magazine in 1980, Lennon made comments on certain subjects
(many of which were not included in the published interview) which
undoubtedly caught the attention of the CIA, as well as that of its
former director, then vice-president-elect GEORGE BUSH.

In speaking with Playboy, Lennon referred a number of times to his
knowledge of the fact that certain drugs -- such as LSD as well as
more toxic hard drugs like heroin and cocaine -- had been spread
throughout society as a whole and in particular the counterculture,
for the express purpose of trying to bring about social chaos and a
general breakdown in society.

He ALSO indicated his awareness that the Beatles themselves had
literally been subjected to mind experimentation with respect to
certain drugs they were induced to use; and further conveyed that he
knew the Beatles and the entire "Beatlemania" phenomenon were to
SOME extent at least just another aspect of some VERY wide-scale,
globalist "social engineering and experimentation.

The Beatles were part of the mass experimentation that contemporary
society was being subjected to by the CIA, Britain's MI6 and the
associated "Tavistock Institute."

More than most of the other boys in the band, John Lennon had become
increasingly aware of the extent of corruption, co-opting and
infiltration of the counterculture -- most CERTAINLY including the
rock music scene -- by these same covert government intelligence
elements.

In short; John Lennon blew the lid off a lot of heavy stuff, even
if somewhat obliquely, and even though the final published version
was heavily edited.

Believe me, CIA personnel know how to read between the lines. You
can bet George Bush knew how to as well.

It was quite clear Lennon had become aware of the extent to which
the Beatles, their music and the entire Beatlemania phenomenon was
to at LEAST some degree a manipulated, contrived global social
event, along with the simultaneous deliberate introduction of
virtually unlimited quantities of certain mind-altering drugs into
society.

And, here's are a few very CLEAR indications that there is
DEFINITELY a CIA/Bush connection to the John Lennon assassination.

A little over three months after Lennon was murdered,
newly-inaugurated President Ronald Reagan was shot and nearly killed
by John Hinckley, in New York City, again.

Hinckley's father, a Denver resident, is a CLOSE personal friend of
George Bush, Sr. and some other members of the Bush Empire "inner
circle," including son and convicted criminal Neil Bush and as-yet
un-convicted sons Jeb and Dubb-o.

For several weeks before attempting to assassinate Reagan, Hinckley
prowled the streets of New York.

HINCKLEY followed as exactly as he possibly could EVERY SINGLE MOVE
that Mark David CHAPMAN had made, in the days before CHAPMAN
murdered John Lennon.

Even MORE bizarre: at the time of their respective arrests following
both shooting incidents, John Hinckley AND Mark David Chapman were
each carrying on their person a paperback copy of the J.D. Salinger
novel, "CATCHER IN THE RYE." (AS did the MK-Ultra mind-controlled
assassin "Jerry" played by Mel Gibson in the surprisingly revealing
movie "Conspiracy Theory".)

J.D. Salinger, certainly a gifted author, had SUBSTANTIAL and
enduring ties to the U.S. intelligence community; in particular, the
CIA. Was the book originally intended to be a mind-control
programming tool? It's hard to say, but not inconceivable.

SO: Hinckley traced Chapman's footsteps, as it were, in an
incredibly eerie AND incredibly REVEALING, scripted tableau; which
culminated, as it did with Chapman, in mind-controlled Manchurian
Candidate assassin Hinckley shooting his prey on the New York City
streets.

Which indeed, brings up yet a FURTHER point.

Hinckley FIRST CAME to New York WELL BEFORE his attempt to
assassinate Reagan, in order to prepare himself for his assigned
role by imitating Chapman's moves and actions of a few months
before.

SO: HOW did Hinckley KNOW, several weeks BEFORE-hand, that Reagan
was going to be at the place in New York City were Hinckley would
shoot him, AND the DAY and TIME Reagan would be there??

SOMEBODY on the "INSIDE," who knew Reagan's schedule some time in
advance, positioned Hinckley in New York well before the date of the
attempted assassination of Reagan.

Somebody like George BUSH, Sr., maybe? Trying to get a jump on
taking over as President? Or, or maybe just sending ol' Ronnie a
VERY strong, clear message about who the "boss" really was...

The "rock stars" are also totally artificial media creations. Their public image, as well as their music, is fabricated from behind the scenes by controllers. For example, when the Beatles first arrived in the United States in 1964, they were mobbed at the airport by hundreds of screaming teenage girls. The national press immediately announced that "Beatlemania" had besieged the U.S.A. But the girls had all been transported from a girl's school in the Bronx, and paid for their screaming performance by the Beatles' promoters.

The money of the 1960s rock groups, which in somes cases mounted to hundreds of millions of dollars, was also totally under the control of mob-connected promoters. From 1963 to 1970, the Rolling Stones made over $200 million, yet the group's members were all nearly bankrupt. None of them had any idea of where their money went.

Between 1963 and 1964 the Beatles and the Rolling Stones laid siege to Western European and American culture. This two-pronged invasion from England was well-planned and well-timed. America had just suffered the shock of the assassination of President John Kennedy, while in the streets the mass-based civil rights movement had just held a Washington, D.C. rally, led by Martin Luther King, of 500,000 people. The rock counterculture would be used as a weapon to destroy such political movements.

Creating the Beatles

The Beatles first began performing in the late 1950s in jazz clubs in England and West Germany. These clubs, always located in the seediest part of the cities, served as a marketplace for prostitution and the circulation of drugs. Beatle biographer Philip Norman writes: "Their only regular engagement was a strip club. The club owner paid them ten shillings each to strum their guitars while a stripper named Janice grimly shed her clothes before an audience of sailors, guilty businessmen and habitues with raincoat- covered laps."

The Beatles got their first big break in Germany, in August 1960, when they obtained a booking at a jazz club in Hamburg's notorious Reeperbahn district. Describing the area Norman writes it had, "red-lit windows containing whores in every type of fancy dress, all ages from nymphet to granny...Everything was free. Everything was easy. The sex was easy... Here it came after you."

Far from the picture of innocence, the Beatles, even in their first performances, were always high on a drug called Preludin, "John (Lennon), would be foaming at the mouth, he'd have so many pills inside him...John, began to go berserk on stage, prancing and groveling...The fact that the audience could not understand a word he said, provoked John into cries of `Sieg Heil!' and `Fucking Nazis' to which the audience invariably responded by laughing and clapping."

Off the stage, the Beatles were just as evil. Norman continues, "while in Hamburg, John, each Sunday would stand on the balcony, taunting the churchgoers as they walked to St. Joseph's. He attached a water-filled contraceptive to an effigy of Jesus and hung it out for the churchgoers to see. Once he urinated on the heads of three nuns."

While in Hamburg, in June of 1962 the Beatles received a telegram from their manager, a homosexual named Brian Epstein, who was back in England. "Congratulations," Epstein's message read. "EMI requests a recording session." EMI was one of Europe's largest record producers, and their role in promoting the Beatles would be key in the future.

Under the the strict guidance of EMI's recording director George Martin, and Brian Epstein, the Beatles were scrubbed, washed, and their hair styled into the Beatles cut. EMI's Martin created the Beatles in his recording studio.

Martin was a trained classical musician, and had studied the oboe and piano at the London School of Music. The Beatles could neither read music nor play any instrument other than guitar. For Martin, the Beatles musicianship was a bad joke. On their first hit record, "Love Me Do," Martin replaced Ringo on the drums with a studio musician. Martin said Ringo, "couldn't do a [drum] roll to save his life." From then on, Martin would take the simple little tunes the Beatles would come to him with, and turn them into hit records.

Lockwood and EMI

EMI, led by aristocrat Sir Joseph Lockwood, stands for Electrical and Mechanical Instruments, and is one of Britain's largest producers of military electronics. Martin was director of EMI's subsidiary, Parlophone. By the mid-sixties EMI, now called Thorn EMI, created a music divison which had grown to 74,321 employees and had annual sales of $3.19 billion.

EMI was also a key member of Britain's military intelligence establishment.

After the war, in 1945, EMI's European production head Walter Legge virtually took over control of classical music recordings, signing up dozens of starving German classical musicians and singers to EMI contracts. Musicians who sought to preserve the performance tradition of Beethoven and Brahms, were relegated to obscurity while "ex-Nazi" Party members were promoted. Legge signed and recorded Nazi member, the late Herbert Von Karajan, promoting him to superstar status, while great conductors such as Wilhelm Furtwangler were ignored.

From the beginning, EMI created the myth of the Beatles' great popularity. In August of 1963, at their first major television appearance at the London Palladium, thousands of their fans supposedly rioted. The next day every mass-circulation newspaper in Great Britain carried a front page picture and story stating, "Police fought to hold back 1,000 squealing teenagers." Yet, the picture displayed in each newspaper was cropped so closely that only three or four of the "squealing teenagers" could be seen. The story was a fraud. According to a photographer on the scene, "There were no riots. I was there. We saw eight girls, even less than eight."

In February 1964, the Beatles myth hit the United States, complete with the orchestrated riots at Kennedy Airport, previously mentioned. To launch their first tour, the media created one of the largest mass audiences in history. For an unprecedented two Sundays in a row, on the Ed Sullivan Show, over 75 million Americans watched the Beatles shake their heads and sway their bodies in a ritual which was soon to be replicated by hundreds of future rock groups.

On returning to England, the Beatles were rewarded by the British aristocracy they served so well . In October 1965, the four were inducted into the Order of Chivalry, and were personally awarded the accolade of Member of the British Empire by Queen Elizabeth at Buckingham palace

A hippie commune called the Hog Farm, had a special role at Woodstock. The Hog Farm was led by a man nicknamed Wavy Graver, who was a former member of Ken Kesey's MK-Ultra operation, the Merry Pranksters. Communes like the Hog Farm were commonly found in the remote parts of California and served as the breeding grounds for Satanic cults, as well as terrorist groups. Members of these communes continually interchanged with other communes and were the recruiting grounds for the Process Church and Manson. Hog Farm member Diane Lake was a member of Charles Manson's Family, at the time of the massacre of Sharon Tate and her guests.

above excerpts from: Satanism, Rock Music and MK Ultra Mind Control
http://enjoyingthejourney.blogspot.com/2009/01/satanism-rock-music-and-mk-ultra-mind.html

grachtengordel

16-02-2009, 03:51 PM

to understand how Beatlemania was manufactured, one need only watch
the opening of this film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkKra3_pfBY

strange, when I view this post the youtube link is not visible, the words read "this film" so I quoted to see if the link was there. sure enough the link is visible when i quote 'Hunkahunka' but hidden in his post.

???????????

edit - it's there now

and yes the 'beetles' was totally a psy op to feed us infantile derivative garbage and convince us all that we must love it and adulate these muppets

and Hunkahunka, thanks for more info, keep up the good work here mate. 'soulja' too

this thread has so much good quality info, it's a nasty topic so hats off to those brave enough to face researching the twisted practices that are destroying mankind, if we let 'em that is. and first you must KNOW your enemy.
the grateful dead/laurel canyon info is mindblowing, the hells angels i'm not surprised, never liked that lot of posers and all round failures, something about all male secret societies , seems kinda gay

hunkahunka

16-02-2009, 03:55 PM

The Age of Aquarius

The largest concert after Monterey Pop, the "Woodstock Music and Art Fair," would be what Time magazine celebrated as an "Aquarian Festival"' and "history's largest happening." The term "Aquarian" was carefully chosen. The Aquarian age signified that the "Age of Pisces," which is the age of Christ, had come to an end.

At Woodstock, a small town in upstate New York, nearly half a million youth gathered to be drugged and brainwashed on a farm. The victims were isolated, immersed in filth, pumped with psychedelic drugs, and kept awake continously for three straight days, and all with the full complicity of the FBI and government officials. Security for the concert was provided by a hippie commune trained in the mass distribution of LSD.

Once again, it would be the networks of British military intelligence which would be the initiators. Woodstock was the brain child of Artie Kornfeld, the director of EMI's Capitol Record's, Contemporary Projects Division. The original funding was provided by the heir of a large Pennsylvania-based pharmaceutical company, John Roberts, and two other partners. It was another pharmaceutical company, the Swiss-based Sandoz Laboratories, which had first synthesized LSD. Roberts would later be accused of using his company for the mass drugging of the attendees.

Little adequate preparations were made for the nearly half a million people who came. Joel Rosenman, one of the three partners, writes, as the concert neared, "Food and water were clearly going to be in short supply, sanitary facilities overtaxed, tempers short, drugs overabundant. Worst of all, there was no way for anyone who wanted to, to leave." Sitting in your own excrement was actually part of the plan, as John Roberts jokingly wrote, "We're going to hand out bananas at the gate to bind our patrons."

A hippie commune called the Hog Farm, had a special role at Woodstock. The Hog Farm was led by a man nicknamed Wavy Graver, who was a former member of Ken Kesey's MK-Ultra operation, the Merry Pranksters. Communes like the Hog Farm were commonly found in the remote parts of California and served as the breeding grounds for Satanic cults, as well as terrorist groups. Members of these communes continually interchanged with other communes and were the recruiting grounds for the Process Church and Manson. Hog Farm member Diane Lake was a member of Charles Manson's Family, at the time of the massacre of Sharon Tate and her guests.

On August 14, one day before the scheduled opening, the entire festival security force, comprised of 350 off-duty New York City cops, pulled out. A spokesman for the New York police claimed that no official arrangement was ever made with the city, a claim the promoters vehemently denied. In an August 15, 1969 New York Times article, the head of Woodstock's security said, "Now I don't have any security at all. I've been struck. We're having the biggest collection of kids there's ever been in this country without any police protection." Not surprisingly, the Hog Farm was put in charge of security.

Woodstock funder and director John Roberts, openly admitted that he was well aware of the Hog Farm's connection to drug distribution. He writes, "their fee was simply transportation to and from the festival... a peace-keeping force that looked, talked, and smelled like the crowd would be both highly credible and highly effective... and the most important, they were wise in the ways of drugs, knowing good acid from bad, good trips from bummers, good medicine from poison, etc."

The Hog Farm at the time was living in New Mexico's mountains. Roberts chartered a Boeing 727, at a cost of $17,000, and flew 100 of them to New York.

To clear the final path for the planned drugging of half a million youngsters, the district attorney for the area agreed privately that there would be no arrests or prosecutions for violations of drug laws. John Roberts writes, "The District Attorney...recognized early on that many of our customers would be using illegal drugs, but also recognized that such use would be the least of our problems over the course of the weekend. He acted, therefore, with compassion and good grace throughout." Roberts also writes that he was meeting continuously with the FBI up to and including one day before the start of the concert, and had their full cooperation.

The Experiment Begins

Two days before the scheduled start of the concert, 50,000 kids had already arrived in Woodstock. Drugs immediately began to circulate. Many people brought their babies and, as Roberts says, even they were drugged. Roberts writes that at a nearby lake, "the tots swam naked, smoked grass, and got into the music."

A poll conducted at the festival by the New York Times showed that 99 percent of those attending were using marijuana. Local sheriff deputies, totally overwhelmed, reported that no arrests were being made for drug use. The New York Times of August 17 quoted one deputy," If we did (make arrests), there isn't enough space in Sullivan or the next three counties to put them in."

The use of marijuana was not the worst. Following the design of the original MK-Ultra project, the mass distribution of LSD came next, much of it in LSD-laced Coca Cola, as Kesey's Pranksters had done five years earlier.

Roberts jokingly relates the following, "a particularly abrasive cop ....had been handed an LSD-spiked Coke while directing traffic. Long after all automobiles in the area had congealed to a standstill, the hardhat was still out on the road waving them on. Finally they led him away."

For the next three days, the nearly half a million young people that arrived were subjected to continual drugs and rock music. Because of torrential rains, they were forced to wallow in knee-deep mud. There were no shelters, and no way to get out. Cars were parked over eight miles away. Rosenman writes that the key to the "Woodstock experiment"' was "keeping our performers performing around the clock...to keep the kids transfixed..."

Within the first 24 hours, over 300 kids reported to medical authorities, violently ill. The diagnosis: they were having "bad" LSD trips. Thousands more would follow. On August 17, the New York Times reported: "Tonight, a festival announcer warned from the stage, that 'badly manufactured acid' (a term for LSD) was being circulated. He said: 'You aren't taking poison acid. The acid's not poison. It's just badly manufactured acid. You are not going to die.... So if you think you've taken poison, you haven't. But if you're worried, just take half a tablet.'"

The advice, to nearly 500,000 people, "just take half a tablet" was given by none other than MK-Ultra agent Wavy Gravy.

With a growing medical emergency on hand, a call went out to New York City for emergency medical personnel. Over 50 doctors and nurses were flown in. By the end of Woodstock, a total of 5,000 medical cases were reported.

hunkahunka

16-02-2009, 07:04 PM

TWISTER
A Musical Catastrophe
By Ken Kesey an the Merry Pranksters

In the mid 1990's Ken wrote a play to save the world a end of the millennium...really! He saw that people everywhere had grown apathetic and become merely audiences. What he created was an interactive “ritual reality”, bringing the Prankster/actors into the audience and asking the audience onto the stage. He planned to evoke chaos in order to quell the natural disasters coming at the end of the millennium. For a task as important as this he needed some big names...so the play is set in the land of OZ. Ken is the Wizard and he conjures up unwilling characters from log ago....Dorothy, the Tinman, Scarecow, Glenda...and soon they are confronted with unearthly characters such as Elvis, Legba and Frankenstein. The wizard leads the Dorothy along, learning new lessons with each character until the play unravels with bickering and battles as the chaos starts. Soon the disgusted cast demand that Kesey come down from his cloud and confront them. I won’t give away the surprise ending, that sends the whole building into a rock-n-roll party with Jambay providing the tunes and the audience becoming Merry Pranksters. This play was very important to Ken, as he poured his soul into it, taking it on tour, editing this video, even creating a club (L.O.S.T. Legion Of The Sufficiently Twisted) with secret handshake and ID cards. This video is now being offered again for a limited time, because Ken would want it that way! 2 hours 10 min.

We would call the show TWISTER! A Musical Catastrophe for the Millenium's End-- set it in the Land of Oz, people it with a cast of archetypes ranging from the clearly obvious characters, like the Tinman and the Scarecrow, to the murky and mysterious, like Elvis and Frankenstein... scramble them all together in ever-bickering banter until they're all crazy at each other's throats, then snap them into sanity with a lastminute tearjerker twist gauranteed to touch everbody's heart.

Fortunately, I already had an idea for the character I wanted to deliver that twist: the spirit of a little girl that got trapped in a car beneath a Covina mall after an earthquake. My angel character was inspired by that little girl trapped beneath the tons of ruin brought down on her by the Mexico City quake. Search-and-rescue squads could hear her beneath tons of rubble, calmly calling and talking. They lowered a microphone through a crack the better to hear her as they labored to remove the slabs of ferroconcrete. She bravely kept talking day and night for close to a week while the rescuers--and the rest of the world-- listened. The little voice finally went silent just hours before they reached her.

I also had the perfect kid play the part: a shirt-tail in-law on my daughter's husband's side, named Emily Messmer-- long, dark tresses; bright-black eyes; intelligent face... plus that thoroughbred glow that some colts seem to be born with regardless of their bloodline. These colts seem to hit the racetrack already galloping full out.

Emily Messmer. Perfect. But as the show's opening drew near, a certain unhealthy anxiety began to creep like mildew through the rest of the Twister troupe: Was it wise to pin the whole play's success on the performance of one untested youngster? The angel's speech was the longest in the script-- three pages. Could she she memorize that much? Could she survive a freezing attack of stage fright? Could she strum a dark room full of sour untuned heartstrings into harmonic accord?

Our first show was performed after the Eugene Grateful Dead gig in the summer of '93, We had rented the National Guard Armory right across the street from the Oregon football stadium. The Armory was completely packed and miserably hot. The sound system was cranked up so loud people could barely hear. And as our little pit band of Jambay marched timidly into the play's overture, everybody realized that the mighty Grateful Dead was going to be a mighty tough act to follow.

Trains boomed past the hall so loud and close we had to shot the backdoors. The audience fidgeted and fussed on the noisy folding chairs, as they fanned their faces with Twister programs. Overhead a platoon of Armory air conditioners droned uselessly. Our damned wireless mikes distorted and sizzled like meat frying in hell. Halfway through the first act all the cast had their mouths full of cotton and their memories boiled dry. We would've rung down the curtain if we had a curtain.

We did have, thank heaven, an angel. Little Emily was the only one of us that had the class to act like a professional. She never missed a line or muffed a word. She didn't freeze up or break character. Her very entrance was a show-stopper; the crowd's fussing ceased the moment she floated on stage, clad all in heavenly white satin with dovefeather wings and a tinfoil halo. The programs stopped fanning. The chairs ceased squeeking. Even the air conditioners ground to respectful silence. These were GI air conditioners; they could recognise rank when it walked in. So could a roomful of Deadheads. There wasn't word nor wiggle until Angel Gloria delivered her closing lines-- "That's all. Vaya con Dios," and turned to exit.

She got a standing ovation.
http://www.intrepidtrips.com/images/angel.jpg
She was seven years old.

hunkahunka

17-02-2009, 03:50 AM

Ken Kesey, Allen Ginsberg , Hunter Thompson, and William Burroughs were
all beat or beatnik writers who knew each other from SanFrancisco.
(Burroughs and Thompson were both contributors to Rolling Stone magazine
at the same time in 1974)

Ken Kesey established a hippie commune in a large Berkeley house (NE SanFrancisco) and Allen Ginsberg penned the following poem while living
in Berkeley. Interesting that Paul Bonacci's accounts have placed Hunter Thompson at Bohemian Grove filming snuff movies, while Bohemian Grove is just north of Berkeley where all of these guys once lived, and it turns out
that Allen Ginsberg's poem, titled 'Howl', mentions Moloch:

What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open
their skulls and ate up their brains and imagi-
nation?
Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unob
tainable dollars! Children screaming under the
stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men
weeping in the parks!
Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the
loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy
judger of men!
Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the
crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of
sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judgment!
Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stun-
ned governments!
Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose
blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers
are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a canni-
bal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking
tomb!
Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows!
Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long
streets like endless Jehovahs! Moloch whose fac-
tories dream and croak in the fog! Moloch whose
smokestacks and antennae crown the cities!
Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch
whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch
whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch
whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen!
Moloch whose name is the Mind!
Moloch in whom I sit lonely! Moloch in whom I dream
Angels! Crazy in Moloch! Cocksucker in
Moloch! Lacklove and manless in Moloch!
Moloch who entered my soul early! Moloch in whom
I am a consciousness without a body! Moloch
who frightened me out of my natural ecstasy!
Moloch whom I abandon! Wake up in Moloch!
Light streaming out of the sky!
Moloch! Moloch! Robot apartments! invisible suburbs!
skeleton treasuries! blind capitals! demonic
industries! spectral nations! invincible mad
houses! granite cocks! monstrous bombs!
They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven! Pave-
ments, trees, radios, tons! lifting the city to
Heaven which exists and is everywhere about
us!
Visions! omens! hallucinations! miracles! ecstasies!
gone down the American river!
Dreams! adorations! illuminations! religions! the whole
boatload of sensitive bullshit!
Breakthroughs! over the river! flips and crucifixions!
gone down the flood! Highs! Epiphanies! De-
spairs! Ten years' animal screams and suicides!
Minds! New loves! Mad generation! down on
the rocks of Time!
Real holy laughter in the river! They saw it all! the
wild eyes! the holy yells! They bade farewell!
They jumped off the roof! to solitude! waving!
carrying flowers! Down to the river! into the
street!

hunkahunka

17-02-2009, 12:16 PM

Creating the Counterculture

The year 1967 marked a significant escalation in open cultural warfare against the youth of the United States. The year saw the beginning of mass, open-air rock concerts. In the two years which followed, over 4 million young people attended a series of nearly a dozen of these "festivals," becoming the victims of planned, wide-scale drug experimentation. Mind destroying hallucinogenic drugs such as PCP, STP, and the Beatles-promoted LSD, were freely distributed at these concerts. These millions of attendees would afterward return to their homes to become the messengers and promoters of the new drug culture, or what came to be called the "New Age."

The first rock festival, "The First Annual Monterey International Pop Festival," was attended by over 100,000 youngsters. The real purpose of Monterey Pop was the widespread distrubution of a new type of drugs, classified as psychedelics or hallucinogens, such as LSD. At Monterey, thousands of younger teen-agers were introduced to the new hallucinogenic drugs.

The first experimentation with LSD was begun in the early sixties, in the Haight-Ashbury section of San Francisco. The project was run by a joint CIA-British intelligence task force under the code-name MK-Ultra. Part of the project called for the free distribution of 5,000 tablets of LSD through a commune known as Ken Kesey's Merry Pranksters. LSD's after-effects were then closely studied.

Kesey, a so-called "poet" and convicted drug felon, became famous for driving around California in a painted- up bus with his commune, the Merry Pranksters, distributing LSD-laced Kool Aid to the unsuspecting.

The effect of LSD is to make the victim psychotic, along with the inability to discern reality from drug-induced hallucinations. For many, this psychosis (also called a "bad trip") could and did lead to suicide. When an individual is given LSD without his knowledge, the psychosis-producing capabilities of the drug are amplified, and usually leave the victim with permanent brain damage.

The organizer of the Monterey festival was John Phillips, a member of the rock group the Mommas and the Papas. Phillips, as we shall see, was a drug pusher and closely tied in with the network of Satanists around Charles Manson and director Roman Polanski.

Phillips appointed a board of directors to promote and finance the concert. The members of the board brought together a network of British intelligence operatives and Satanists. The board of directors included Andrew Oldham (the Rolling Stones manager), the Stones leader Mick Jagger, Beatle Paul McCartney and Phillips' friend, record producer Terry Melcher, the son of Doris Day.
The concert, including the staging and the huge innovative outdoor amplification, was run by Phillips. It was the first time that an American audience was exposed to such openly demonic British groups as The Who, and Jimi Hendrix. At the conclusion of their act, The Who, in a drug-crazed frenzy, destroyed all their guitars, amplifiers, and drums. Hendrix simulated masturbation with his guitar, on stage, while performing at ear-splitting volume levels.

There was massive, open use of drugs. Author Robert Santelli, in his book, Aquarius Rising, writes "LSD was in abundance at Monterey. Tabs of `Monterey Purple' were literally given to anyone wishing to experiment a little." The police made no arrests, setting another precedent for future outdoor concerts.

There was a larger scheme in operation. The scheme was tied into MK-Ultra and it involved using Satanists around Phillips, along with agents such as Ken Kesey and Timothy Leary. The plan was to turn nearby San Francisco into a Satanist gaming preserve, mass recruiting and perverting young run-away teenagers.

Phillips had earlier written the music to a song called "San Francisco" which sold over 5 million copies. The song called for youth throughout the country to come to San Francisco "with flowers in their hair." The song was a rallying cry to tens of thousands who came flooding into San Francisco in the summer of 1968 to join the new "hippie" movement, misnamed the Summer of Love. Some who came became the prey for the likes of Charles Manson, who recruited his cult-"family" exclusively from runaway youth.

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DspcTcVslsI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB2tYYYlwMc&NR=1
'SanFrancisco' was not the only 'come to California' propaganda song of the time that John Phillips had a hand in . He also wrote the song 'California Dreamin'

"California Dreamin'" is a song by The Mamas & the Papas, first released in 1965. The song is #89 in Rolling Stone's list of The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wI6uAOHzvo

History

According to John Phillips in a Bravo documentary, the song was written in 1963 while he and girlfriend were living in New York. He dreamed about the song and woke her up to help him write. She had stopped in St. Patrick's a few days earlier, which led to the second verse. At the time, the Phillipses were members of the folk group The New Journeymen which evolved into The Mamas and the Papas.

They earned their first record contract after being introduced to Lou Adler, the head of Dunhill Records, by the singer Barry McGuire. In thanks to Adler, they sang the backing vocals to "California Dreamin'" on McGuire's album This Precious Time. The Mamas and the Papas then recorded their own version. The single was released in late 1965 but it was not an immediate breakthrough. After gaining little attention in Los Angeles upon its release, Michelle Phillips remembers that it took a radio station in Boston to break the song nationwide.[2] By early 1966, the song peaked at # 4 and it stayed on the charts for 17 weeks.[/B]

so, this California propaganda song was a dud in California, but was heavily pushed in the northern U.S. in the leadup to the big California counterculture pilgrimmage.

Another California propaganda song was recorded in 1967 and heavily pushed a year later:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/34/Dionne_San_Jose_1968.jpg/200px-Dionne_San_Jose_1968.jpg

Do you know the way to San Jose is a popular song by Burt Bacharach and Hal David, which was written specifically for Dionne Warwick. The 1968 international hit version by Warwick -- featured as the follow-up to the title tune on her album Dionne Warwick in Valley of the Dolls --

The album's lead single was the title track, "(Theme from) Valley of the Dolls", from the film of the same name. The song was written by André Previn and Dory Previn, and had initially been intended for Judy Garland before she was fired from the film. At the urging of one of the film's stars, Barbara Parkins, the song was given to Warwick. Warwick's Scepter version of the song, however, differed from the John Williams version included in the film. This was because Warwick was signed to Scepter, and the soundtrack was released on 20th Century Records. Warwick was only permitted to appear on the film's actual soundtrack and not the recording

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Dionne_Warwick_in_Valley_of_the_Dolls_album_cover. jpg

hunkahunka

17-02-2009, 12:56 PM

scum to stink of it, there was quite a bit of 'come to California' propaganda
churned out by the people associated with this whole milieu:

Manson and the Rock Stars

Charles Manson has been portrayed as a lone psychotic who had hypnotic power over his "Family". In reality, Manson was well-known to a whole network of Hollywood actors, actresses, promoters, partners and rock stars, and was providing sex and drugs to many of them.

In his autobiography, Papa John, John Phillips tells of an invitation he received to join Terry Melcher and Beach Boy member Dennis Wilson, at Wilson's mansion. Wilson said, "This guy Charlie's here with all these great-looking chicks. He plays guitar and he's a real wild guy. He has all these chicks hanging out like servants. You can come over and just screw any of them you want. It's a great party (monarch sex slaves, anyone?)

the Beach Boys have to be the reigning California propagandist band of all time.

The intrinsic message of so many of the songs was that California was a paradise,
and living anywhere else in the country was miserable.

Lots of songs played incessantly on the radio with lines like :

'Northern girls, with the way they kiss, they keep their
boyfriends warm at night. I wish they all could be California girls.'

and

'If everybody had an ocean Across the u.s.a. Then everybodyd be surfin
Like californi-a'

and this gem by John Phillips, close friend of Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys:

'All the leaves are brown And the sky is grey, I'd be safe and warm if I was in L.A., California dreamin'
On such a winters day'

San Francisco. San Jose. L.A. These songs sound like something out of a travel agency
ad campaign, and a huge one.

Sixties youth were being bombarded with beckonings to California in the years
leading up to the massive California drug festivals.

video:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1685x_beach-boys--california-girls_music

The Beatles even got in on the act with their 1968 song 'Back in the USSR' , which paid homage
to the Beach Boys song 'California Girls'.

hunkahunka

17-02-2009, 01:34 PM

quote

Manson's entire "Family" moved into the Beach Boys' mansion for nearly a year. The Beach Boys, who have performed at the White House, are the top recording group of EMI's subsidiary, Capitol Records.

On Sunday, August 10, 1969, Manson sent four members of his cult for their last visit to Melcher's house. This time Melcher wasn't there, but the actress Sharon Tate, wife of movie director Roman Polanski, and three others, were. When the group left, Tate and the others had been savagely mutilated and murdered. As for Phillips, in June 1980, he was arrested for running a large-scale drug wholesaling operation.

EMI is closely linked to MI5 and the British military intelligence apparatus, and the top star of EMI's subsidiary Capitol Records happened to also be a drug dealer.

It looks to me like the plan, starting in the fifties and sixties, was to de-industrialize and dismantle America and the UK, and transfer all of the factories overseas, while the largely unneeded western masses and their obsolete cities would be profit centers through the massive importation of narcotics .

This is exactly what was done to China. The elite broke China's back by forcing opium and other imports into the country. Once their economy and culture had been destroyed,
the Chinese were broken and enslaved to producing dollar store and Walmart items for the world.

So if the plan plays out as intended, Western society will be completely destroyed by drugs , to the point that we can be enslaved in factories the same as the Chinese.

emerald

17-02-2009, 02:38 PM

Mind control procedures/rape gone wrong?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090217/ap_on_re_us/fort_lewis_teen_death

hunkahunka

17-02-2009, 04:54 PM

Sharon Tate played suicidal sex pot Jennifer North in the 1967 film Valley of the Dolls. Her character is
a blonde former porn star who becomes a starlet, a drug addict, and eventually overdoses on Seconal,
leading to speculation that the Jennifer North is based on the life of Marilyn Monroe. Marylin Monroe's real name was Norma Jean. Is the name 'Jennifer North' a reverse acronym for Norma Jean?

It has been said that the character of 'Neely O'Hara'
in Valley of the Dolls was based on the real life of Judy Garland, (Judy Garland suspected this, and it was one of the reasons that she could not
complete the picture)

The character of Helen Lawson was based on the life of Ethel Merman

All three starlet 'Dolls' in the film become drug addicts. Tate's character dies of an intentional overdose.

The film warned about the false glamour of show business and the danger of the attendant drugs, and Tate was murdered shortly afterward by the Manson family. Judy Garland left part way through filming, was replaced by Susan Hayward, and died of an overdose of seconal shortly afterward.

video:
http://www.clipser.com/watch_video/271417

Valley of the Dolls theme
lyrics
Gotta get off, gonna get
Have to get off from this ride
Gotta get hold, gonna get
Need to get hold of my pride

When did I get, where did I
How was I caught in this game
When will I know, where will I
How will I think of my name

When did I stop feeling sure, feeling safe
And start wondering why, wondering why
Is this a dream, am I here, where are you
What's in back of the sky, why do we cry

Gotta get off, gonna get
Out of this merry-go-round
Gotta get off, gonna get
Need to get on where I'm bound

When did I get, where did I
Why am I lost as a lamb
When will I know, where will I
How will I learn who I am

Is this a dream, am I here, where are you
Tell me, when will I know, how will I know
When will I know why?

hunkahunka

18-02-2009, 01:23 AM

quote:

DEKALB, Illinois (CNN) -- A former student who killed five people at Northern Illinois University last Valentine's Day had been drummed out of the Army for hiding his psychiatric history and expressed admiration for famous murderers, CNN has learned.

spirals
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/CRIME/02/13/niu.shooting.investigation/art.halloween.pol.jpg
Steven Kazmierczak admired the sadistic killer in the "Saw" horror movies.

Steven Kazmierczak was known as "strange Steve" to roommates, studied the Virginia Tech and Columbine massacres and idolized the sadistic killer in the "Saw" horror films, according to documents from the year-long investigation into the NIU killings.

The still-unreleased police file on the shootings, which also left 18 students wounded, shows that 27-year-old Kazmierczak had been hospitalized several times as a teenager for psychiatric issues and had a history of suicide attempts. Kazmierczak shot and killed himself at the end of his shooting rampage.

Police told CNN that they received no information that would have tipped them off to his rampage.

But David Vann, who has written a book about what led to the shootings, said his research shows that Kazmierczak carefully planned the shootings and that there was a lifetime of red flags that indicated he was capable of such an act.

Video
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/13/niu.shooting.investigation/index.html?iref=mpstoryview#cnnSTCVideo
Watch shooter's eerie fascination with sadistic horror flick »

"The degree of self-destruction and antisocial behavior at the end, of really scary behaviors, was just phenomenal," Vann said. "And at some point after you look at all of those records, you just have to wonder, what does a mass murderer have to do to get noticed?"

The NIU Police Department has repeatedly refused CNN's requests to release any files related to the investigation, since it is still under way. But CNN was given exclusive access to some of the approximately 1,500 pages of police reports, psychiatric records and family documents by Vann, who said he obtained the files from a law enforcement source. See one of Kazmierczak's psychiatric reports »

"It's just amazing that he could coldly plan to kill all of those people. ... Everything was planned out carefully," Vann said.

Kazmierczak, a former NIU student, was going to graduate school at the University of Illinois in Champaign at the time of the killings. During his time at NIU, he wrote a paper called "No Crazies With Guns," in which he used the April 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech to analyze whether mentally ill people should have access to guns.

Kazmierczak was later able to purchase weapons used in the NIU killings because he had not been in a mental facility in the past five years, which would have disqualified him in Illinois from buying a gun. Video Watch a forensic psychologist discuss warning signs »

After the shooting, NIU Police Chief Donald Grady said there were no "red flags" in Kazmierczak's past that would have foreshadowed what happened. He told CNN this week that he stands by that statement.

"Was he obsessed? Was he not obsessed? That information didn't come through to the university police at any time he was here. ... How could it be a red flag if it never came to us?"

He added, "It's the same story. Nothing has changed in that regard. We haven't found anything that would dispel any of that. So it is absolutely the same right now."

Grady said the investigation was ongoing but not a priority because there was no one involved but Kazmierczak. SIU blog: Could you spot a killer?

"We already know he is no longer with us," he said. "We already know what he was wearing and what he used and how he went about doing it. I'm not certain that there's much else there."

Asked about information in the police files indicating that Kazmierczak exhibited odd behavior at NIU, Grady said that was never reported to the police department -- and insisted that there were no outward warning signs.

"There are lots of people on this campus that someone would refer to as strange," he said. "I mean, we have women that walk around with dog collars. I consider that to be strange. I don't know what someone else would consider that to be, but walking around with a dog collar strapped to your neck seems to me to be strange. Is that a sign that we should now be concerned that this person is about to engage in acts of violence? Well, I don't think so."

As far back as childhood, Kazmierczak's mother wrote in a family book that her son was overly sensitive and bullied.

"Sometimes I wish he would be a little tougher, and bop the daylights out of people that pick on him. ... One day he will," she wrote.

In junior high school, Kazmierczak made a bomb out of Drano, according to the documents. He also had a history of attempted suicides and was hospitalized nine times for psychiatric issues before 2001.

He spent three years at Thresholds, a psychiatric center in Chicago, according to psychiatric records in the files. He was kicked out of the program for "non-compliance and deception," the records state, adding that Kazmierczak "has had multiple hospitalizations and ... impulsive behavior and suicidal gestures."

He enlisted in the Army in September 2001 but was discharged the following February for lying on his application about his mental illness, Army records state. After that, he enrolled at NIU, where his freshman suitemates recall him as being obsessed with infamous figures such as Adolf Hitler and Ted Bundy.

"He was called 'strange Steve' by everyone in the dorm, and everyone knew that something was wrong with him," Vann said. But he also was a successful graduate student at NIU who tutored other students.

"Steve Kazmierczak was living a double life," Vann said.

After Kazmierczak transferred to the University of Illinois graduate program in social work, he began seeing a therapist. Over the next several months, he was on and off an antidepressant and sleeping medication.

In October 2007, according to the records, he and his former live-in girlfriend, Jessica Baty, saw the horror film "Saw IV." Kazmierczak then dressed up as Jigsaw, the movie's sadistic killer narrator, for Halloween and had a tattoo of the character -- depicted riding a bicycle through a puddle of blood -- on his forearm.

"I think of all the texts he left, movies and books, the 'Saw' movies are very important," said Vann, who wrote an article about Kazmierczak for Esquire magazine in 2008.

grachtengordel

18-02-2009, 02:01 PM

Steven Kazmierczak admired the sadistic killer in the "Saw" horror movies.

I watched the first saw movie, what a load of shite. I can't understand how anyone would want to watch something so sick and such a badly told story. the cops had loads of chances to shoot the 'killer', it was just insulting how stupid the movie was, can movie audiences really 'suspend thier disbelief' that far?. thanks for posting this info, your work is not in vain, keep it up guys

hunkahunka

18-02-2009, 06:38 PM

Ken Kesey was 'a brother' of Beta Theta Pi fraternity
He was enrolled at the prestigious Stanford University
in California when he wrote 'One Flew Over the Cuckoos
Nest, while allegedly volunteering as a guinea pig for CIA-financed MKultra LSD tests.

At Stanford in 1959, Kesey volunteered to take part in a CIA-financed study named Project MKULTRA at the Menlo Park Veterans Hospital. The project studied the effects of psychoactive drugs, particularly LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, cocaine, AMT, and DMT on people.[3] Kesey wrote many detailed accounts of his experiences with these drugs, both during the Project MKULTRA study and in the years of private experimentation that followed.

The inspiration for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest came while working on the night shift (with Gordon Lish) at the Menlo Park Veterans' Hospital. There, Kesey often spent time talking to the patients, sometimes under the influence of the hallucinogenic drugs with which he had volunteered to experiment. Kesey did not believe that these patients were insane, rather that society had pushed them out because they did not fit the conventional ideas of how people were supposed to act and behave.

Kesey bought a sprawling place at La Honda, in South SanFrancisco,
where Courtney Love's mother Linda Carroll became involved with
Haight Ashbury scene and Kesey's Pranksters.

Kesey left California after being busted for drug posession, and
returned to his family farm in Eugene, Oregon. The Grateful Dead
frequently hung out with him there , considering Eugene a second home.
Courtney Love's father, Hank Harrison, one time manager of the Grateful Dead, authored a 'Grateful Dead' biography, titled The Dead: A Social History of the Haight-Ashbury
Experience.

Courtney Love was born in SanFrancisco, and then raised in Eugene, Oregon, and was moved to New Zealand , then England, then back to Eugene to live with her mother's
therapist. (Her movements from SanFrancisco to Eugene, Oregon exactly parallel
those of Pranksters leader Ken Kesey, btw) Her adoptive family eventually moved to Portland,
Oregon, where she eventually met Kurt Cobain.

Courtney Love was born Michelle Love Harrison in San Francisco, the daughter of Hank Harrison, a one-time associate of the Grateful Dead, who boasted of disciplining her with a pit bull. Her mother was Linda Carroll, a therapist best known for persuading the urban terrorist Katherine Ann Power in 1993 to surrender after more than two decades on the run.

The hippie family lived briefly in a commune in Eugene, Oregon, before splitting up. By court order, Harrison, who once compared her to Charles Manson, was forbidden from seeing his daughter unsupervised until she became an adult. Her mother remarried, changed her daughter’s name to Courtney Love and moved abroad. Love bounced between New Zealand, Britain and America, from guardian to guardian

After high school, Carroll's fascination with odd characters led her to the Haight's hippie community and finally to Hank Harrison, an early Grateful Dead associate who threatened to kill himself unless Carroll slept with him. At a loss, she did. They later married in Reno and Carroll became pregnant with Courtney. The two divorced, Carroll says, after Harrison's behavior grew increasingly violent and erratic.

Courtney Love's childhood was blighted from the start. She returned from visits with Hank covered in paint, talking about drugs and suffering from nightmares. Expelled from school after school, interviewed by psychiatrist after psychiatrist, she was prone to fits of rage and feelings of persecution. Barely able to keep her own life together, Carroll eventually left her eldest in the care of friends

hunkahunka

19-02-2009, 12:42 AM

Joaquin Phoenix on the David Letterman show 7 days ago.
he is the brother of River Phoenix

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAQ4x7rgS6I

hunkahunka

19-02-2009, 01:45 AM

Eugene, Oregon is known by its nickname, the "Emerald City".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene,_Oregon

off topic......
no mind control thread would be complete without paying homage
to Michael Jackson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vil7KDAgWE0

this is evidence of what a great person MJ is:)

hunkahunka

19-02-2009, 03:52 AM

Eugene Oregon, aka 'Emerald City

the second largest city in Oregon

the University of Oregon newspaper is called the 'Daily Emerald'

http://telescope1.logika.net/b/scope?u=www.dailyemerald.com%2F&c=tllxyykzxzzwqnpxskvkqqvtvwklnzpl

http://www.timelineuniverse.net/images/Emerald%20City.jpg

http://www.collegefrontpage.com/resources/galleries/redesign/usora1/before.jpg

hunkahunka

19-02-2009, 12:25 PM

interesting to note that Ken Kesey worked at the Oregon Daily Emerald
while a journalism student at University of Oregon, which is located in
Eugene, Oregon

Kesey attended the University of Oregon's School of Journalism, where he received a degree in speech and communication in 1957, where he was also a brother of Beta Theta Pi.

The Oregon Daily Emerald is an independent daily newspaper published at the University of Oregon in Eugene, Oregon, United States. The paper, which has been published for more than 100 years, has trained many now-prominent writers and journalists and has made important contributions to journalism case law.

Kesey was from Emerald City (Eugene) and went on to become the Wizard
in his own play 'Twister'.

http://www.bryanappleyard.com/blog/uploaded_images/800px-Furthur_01-709892.jpg

http://zembla.cementhorizon.com/archives/oregonducks1.gif
University of Oregon Ducks logo (football)

http://www.key-z.com/NeverTrustWeb.jpg

hunkahunka

19-02-2009, 01:08 PM

this incident occurred at one of the 23 California State University campuses

http://http://wiki.case.edu/images/thumb/1/13/BetaThetaPiCrest.jpg/180px-BetaThetaPiCrest.jpg

https://secureapp.netclubmgr.com/ICS/CM/V2/BinaryDataHandler.ashx?ia=ClubImageHome&iid=6280

Beta Theta Pi fraternity loses university recognition on hazing charges
Three men face misdemeanor charges, police say
By: Stacey Kennelly
Issue date: 5/16/07 Section: News

July 11, 2007

Three Beta Theta Pi members are being charged with misdemeanors for allegedly hazing their pledges.

Chris Bizot, 23, Mike Murphy, 22, and Matthew Krupp, 23, allegedly hazed potential new members, said Butte County District Attorney Mike Ramsey. Bizot and Murphy are Chico State students, and Krupp attends Butte College.

Chico State no longer recognizes the fraternity.

Bizot, president of the fraternity at the time of the alleged hazing, has also been charged with interfering with a police investigation. Ramsey said Bizot lied to police about the severity of the hazing and encouraged others to lie as well.

Bizot and Krupp could not be contacted. Murphy, who is also The Orion's entertainment editor for the fall semester, declined to comment.

University Police launched an extensive investigation after receiving information that the fraternity hazed its pledges. The person who supplied police this information cannot be identified publicly at this time, Ramsey said.

After talking to fraternity members, pledges and others in the university community, police found that Beta Theta Pi had been hazing its pledges and submitted the investigation to the district attorney's office.

The three men were charged with misdemeanors under Matt's Law, a 2006 law that makes hazing a misdemeanor or a felony when serious bodily injury is caused, Ramsey said. The three men were charged with misdemeanors because no one was severely injured this time, he said.

Matt's Law was created in memory of Matthew Carrington, who was a 21-year-old Chico State student pledging the unrecognized Chi Tau fraternity when he died of water intoxication in the fraternity's basement on Feb. 2, 2005. He had been doing calisthenics and drinking water from a 5-gallon jug throughout the night, police said.

Ramsey said the hazing occurred over a one-week period and included forcing pledges to submerge themselves up to their necks in a bathtub full of ice water for long periods of time.

The misdemeanor charges could stay on the men's criminal records for life, Ramsey said. If they receive probation and complete it, they may be able to go back to court in a couple of years to ask to have the charges removed from their records.

amethyst

19-02-2009, 05:55 PM

Creating the Counterculture

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DspcTcVslsI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB2tYYYlwMc&NR=1
'SanFrancisco' was not the only 'come to California' propaganda song of the time that John Phillips had a hand in . He also wrote the song 'California Dreamin'

"

so, this California propaganda song was a dud in California, but was heavily pushed in the northern U.S. in the leadup to the big California counterculture pilgrimmage.

Another California propaganda song was recorded in 1967 and heavily pushed a year later:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/34/Dionne_San_Jose_1968.jpg/200px-Dionne_San_Jose_1968.jpg

Do you know the way to San Jose is a popular song by Burt Bacharach and Hal David, which was written specifically for Dionne Warwick. The 1968 international hit version by Warwick -- featured as the follow-up to the title tune on her album Dionne Warwick in Valley of the Dolls --

The album's lead single was the title track, "(Theme from) Valley of the Dolls", from the film of the same name. The song was written by André Previn and Dory Previn, and had initially been intended for Judy Garland before she was fired from the film. At the urging of one of the film's stars, Barbara Parkins, the song was given to Warwick. Warwick's Scepter version of the song, however, differed from the John Williams version included in the film. This was because Warwick was signed to Scepter, and the soundtrack was released on 20th Century Records. Warwick was only permitted to appear on the film's actual soundtrack and not the recording

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Dionne_Warwick_in_Valley_of_the_Dolls_album_cover. jpg

So it was all psy ops...amazing...all of it. Dionne Warwick related to Whitney Houston...and look how she ended up....All these benign sounding songs hiding such an evil agenda

stateofmind

19-02-2009, 07:02 PM

"Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds", "I Am the Walrus", "San Francisco" - all great and beautiful songs. If these songs are evil then I don't want to be good!

p.s. those reptiles are some damn good songwriters!! ;)

runciter

19-02-2009, 07:03 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/34/Dionne_San_Jose_1968.jpg/200px-Dionne_San_Jose_1968.jpg

dionne war wicca reminds me of this lady

http://s.wsj.net/media/Michelle_DV_20090210174204.jpg

look at her left hand, i see something..

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31EVTR36PCL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

---- michelle lavaughn obama

runciter

19-02-2009, 07:09 PM

interesting to note that Ken Kesey worked at the Oregon Daily Emerald
while a journalism student at University of Oregon, which is located in
Eugene, Oregon

eugene > eu (good) genie, but also eugenics

http://zembla.cementhorizon.com/archives/oregonducks1.gif

isn't this a stargate? mind control or what else?

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/eugenesaintscampus/OregonDucksLogo.gif

the ring? der ring des nibelungen?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6k8BNH8fxyE/SD5Uaxb9a0I/AAAAAAAAASY/QYzzqEMKlLo/s400/forum.JPG

http://www.film.it/fnts/film/immagini/350x250/thering202.jpg

http://www.316church.org/uploaded_images/heroes_logo-711478.jpg

hunkahunka

20-02-2009, 08:45 AM

eugene > eu (good) genie, but also eugenics

http://zembla.cementhorizon.com/archives/oregonducks1.gif

isn't this a stargate? mind control or what else?

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/eugenesaintscampus/OregonDucksLogo.gif

the ring? der ring des nibelungen?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6k8BNH8fxyE/SD5Uaxb9a0I/AAAAAAAAASY/QYzzqEMKlLo/s400/forum.JPG

http://www.film.it/fnts/film/immagini/350x250/thering202.jpg

http://www.316church.org/uploaded_images/heroes_logo-711478.jpg

I think Jake Kotze or Steve Willner would have a ball with this stuff.
Could be the greek letter theta:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Greek_uc_theta.png

runciter

20-02-2009, 09:17 AM

i've just realized that the creator of "heroes" is

tim kring > k ring

k o

Magick, in the broadest sense, is any act designed to cause intentional change. The spelling with the terminal "k" was repopularized in the first half of the 20th century by Aleister Crowley when he introduced it as a core component of Thelema.

"The Anglo-Saxon k in Magick, like most of Crowley's conceits, is a means of indicating the kind of magic which he performed. K is the eleventh letter of several alphabets, and eleven is the principal number of magick, because it is the number attributed to the Qliphoth - the underworld of demonic and chaotic forces that have to be conquered before magick can be performed. K has other magical implications: it corresponds to the power or shakti aspect of creative energy, for k is the ancient Egyptian khu, the magical power. Specifically, it stands for kteis (vagina), the complement to the wand (or phallus) which is used by the Magician in certain aspects of the Great Work."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magick

http://www.diecastairplanes.tv/images/250px-Itek_Air_logo.png

On 24 August 2008 a Boeing 737, owned and operated by Itek Air (a Kyrgyz company) on a charter flight for Iran Aseman Airlines, flight nr 6895, crashed near Manas International Airport near Bishkek, the capital city of Kyrgyzstan, while attempting an emergency landing, returning to the airport of origin, 10 minutes after departure. Sixty-eight people were killed and 22 people survived the crash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itek_Air

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Interwoven_unicursal_hexagram.svg/180px-Interwoven_unicursal_hexagram.svg.png

The unicursal hexagram is used to express a high level of self-confidence and belief that one can achieve the highest of goals and become a divine figure.

Aleister Crowley's adaptation of the unicursal hexagram placed a five petaled rose, (symbolizing the divine) in the center; the symbol as a whole making eleven (five petals of the rose plus six points of the hexagram), the number of divine union.

It is also used in the Greek and Hindu mythologies. as a symbol of dedication to the divine rulers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicursal_hexagram

http://www.nationmaster.com/wikimir/images/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Magick_book4.gif

For Crowley, the alternate spelling was used to differentiate it from other practices, such as stage magic. Magick is not capable of producing "miracles" or violating the physical laws of the universe (e.g., it cannot cause a solar eclipse), although "it is theoretically possible to cause in any object any change of which that object is capable by nature".

Crowley preferred the spelling magick, defining it as "the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with the will." By this, he included "mundane" acts of will as well as ritual magic. In Magick in Theory and Practice, Chapter XIV, Crowley says:

What is a Magical Operation? It may be defined as any event in nature which is brought to pass by Will. We must not exclude potato-growing or banking from our definition. Let us take a very simple example of a Magical Act: that of a man blowing his nose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magick

runciter

20-02-2009, 09:21 AM

I think Jake Kotze or Steve Willner would have a ball with this stuff.
Could be the greek letter theta:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Greek_uc_theta.png

letter theta > thelema

http://www.rosslyn.org/Thelema-sm.jpg

Thelema is a philosophy of life based on the rule or law, "Do what thou wilt." The ideal of "Do what thou wilt" and its association with the word Thelema goes back to François Rabelais, but was more fully developed and proselytized by Aleister Crowley, who founded a religion named Thelema based on this ideal. The word itself is the English transliteration of the Koine Greek noun θέλημα: "will", from the verb θέλω: to will, wish, purpose. Early Christian writings use the word to refer to the will of God, the human will, and even the will of God's opponent, the Devil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema

thanks hunka!

http://www.mathmlcentral.com/characters/glyphs/CapitalTheta_L.gif

i see a resemblance to

http://www.tolkienbooks.net/images/other/ring-eye-device.gif

runciter

20-02-2009, 09:35 AM

sorry for spamming this thread but i can't stop myself :cool:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/blog/heroes_timMain.jpg

tim kring > team k ring

fellowship of the magick ring

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sVbp5aWkL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Todd makes clear the Rothschilds, a family of Sabbatean Jewish Cabalists, top the Illuminati hierarchy:

"The Rothschilds lead the Illuminati and in every country they have a family ...being the head of the Illuminati. In the United States, we have the Rockefellers. David Rockefeller is both the head of the Council of Foreign Relations and the Trilateral [Commission] which is the name of the Illuminati within the United States."

"On the top of each pyramid you will see a capstone with an eye in it. The capstone is the Rothschild Family or Tribunal that rules the Illuminati; they were the creators of it. The eye is Lucifer, their god and their voice. The first 3 top blocks are on every pyramid. The top block is what I was initiated into, the council of 13 called the Grand Druid Council. They only take orders from the Rothschilds and nobody else. They're their private priesthood. The Council of 33 is directly under them, that is the 33 highest Masons in the World. The Council of 500, some of the richest people and conglomerates in the World—[including the Bilderbergs and the families like the Duponts and Kennedys.]

"The Golden Dawn is the organisation of witchcraft, the 4th block up there, and it's the Rothschild's private coven. They choose every member personally." He says C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien were both members of Golden Dawn. Grand Druid Isaac Bonewitz and the ACLU started an organization to sue Christians who defame the Occult. He includes Scientology and The National Council of Churches in the Illuminati structure.

http://www.henrymakow.com/witches_rule_illuminati_said_j.html

http://www.bookloveroxford.com/USERIMAGES/HPIM0523(1).JPG

hunkahunka

20-02-2009, 11:20 AM

here's one for you runciter:

Ken Kesey's initials are KK.

runciter

20-02-2009, 11:52 AM

here's one for you runcitier:

Ken Kesey's initials are KK.

wiki adds another k (key)

Kenneth Elton Kesey (September 17, 1935 – November 10, 2001) was an American author, best known for his novel One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1962), and as a counter-cultural figure who, some consider, was a link between the Beat Generation of the 1950s and the hippies of the 1960s. "I was too young to be a beatnik, and too old to be a hippie," Kesey said in a 1999 interview with Robert K. Elder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Kesey

he died on 10-11-01 (or 11-10-01), two months -1 after 9/11

interview with robert k. elder in 1999 > 666 1

key holder? robot key holder?

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/030519/163848__keymaster_l.jpg

emerald

20-02-2009, 12:34 PM

Silence trigger forever:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1150083/Lily-Allens-got-new-tattoo-shhh--Rihannas.html

hunkahunka

20-02-2009, 08:37 PM

Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists?

I am a person who was into the rock band the Grateful Dead for many years. Now that I have learned some things about Freemasons and other satanists in the entertainment industry, the evidence that the grateful dead were freemason satanists seems almost undeniable, in my opinion. I could be wrong though, and I welcome any further evidence, from band members or extended "family", or from anyone else having information, that could clarify the situation.
I present below a number of points that support this idea. Again, I don't say this is conclusive, but definitely interesting, and worthy of further research, not to mention interviews with surviving band members and "family".

1) Members of the Grateful Dead and the Merry Pranksters have NUMEROUS ties to US intelligence organizations and mind control operations. Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter, and head Merry Prankster Ken Kesey (founder and promoter of the "acid tests" during the sixties, which served to "turn on" thousands of people to the CIA's mind control drug LSD) were both "volunteers" in the government's LSD "research" at Stanford University in the early sixties.

2) The Grateful Dead got their start as the "house band" for the Merry Pranksters' acid tests. "The Merry Pranksters" derived their name from a group of medeival satanists called the Merry pranksters. The motto of the modern-day merry pranksters was "Never trust a Prankster!". The Pranksters membership included LSD kingpin Owsley Stanley, British Intelligence agent and Whole Earth Catalog founder Stewart Brand, child-rapist Allen Ginsburg, and "Mountain Girl" aka Mrs. Jerry Garcia. The Pranksters were also great "friends" with everyone's favorite guys, The Hell's Angels. In other words, the freemason hell's angels were the "security" for the pranksters at their acid tests.

3) Despite being busted numerous times for drugs including cocaine, marijuana, heroin, and HUMONGOUS quantities of LSD, none of the band members ever seems to have done any real jail time. I know of many people with no prior record who were busted with as little as a seed or a joint of marijuana who did jail time. Is the Grateful Dead's "outlaw" persona simply a phony masonic con job? Despite being busted in 1969 with HUMONGOUS quantities of drugs, the Dead not only did NO JAIL TIME WHATSOEVER, but were able to travel freely out of the country for their famous 1972 European tour.

4) The Grateful Dead record covers and art work are LOADED with Freemason symbolism. First of all, the skulls and skeletons which are EVERYWHERE in association with this band. Somewhere on Freemasonry Watch, there is a description of the 33rd degree ceremony, which describes all the SKELETONS that are hung up around the "temple" during this ceremony. At many Dead shows, there were large skeletons hung up both inside and outside the venue.

The rose (and the rose with the skeleton) is another VERY common symbol associated with the Grateful Dead, and with freemasonry.

On numerous concert posters and album art work, the artist Rick Griffin chose to represent a giant flying eyeball with wings. The disconnected "all-seeing eye" is a well-known masonic symbol.

The main symbol/corporate logo most people know of the Grateful Dead is from a record called "Steal Your Face". This corporate logo consists of a representation of a skull, with a lightning bolt going through the middle of it, originally (and usually) in masonic red, white and blue colors. You can view this logo (sans the red white and blue) at dead.net - the official homepage of the Grateful Dead corporation. This could easily be interpreted as a symbol of Crowley's "spermo-gnosticism". (See the website "Christendom and Freemasonry's Use of the Phallus" (as linked to on this site in other places) to read about what a lightning bolt symbolizes for freemasons). Indeed, the original name for the album featuring this logo was "Skull F*ck". The title was rejected by Warner Bros executives however, and the Dead decided to call the record "Steal Your Face" instead. Note too that the Dead had NUMEROUS and important connections with Crowley's OTO. Were the Grateful Dead spermo-gnostic semen drinkers like Crowley's other disciples? Their corporate logo would certainly seem to suggest this.

5) Bassist Phil Lesh had (has?) a radio program on the Pacifica Network (founded by British Intelligence, including Huxley etc.) called "Eyes of Order, Veil of Chaos". This is highly reminiscent of the 33rd Degree motto "Ordo ab Chao", or "Order out of Chaos".

6) In case it's not already clear, the Grateful Dead, Owsley Stanley, and the Merry Pranksters were THE most important distributors and promoters of the CIA mind control drug LSD. These people did more than ANYBODY to manufacture, promote and distribute LSD. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY COULD BUY A MORE EFFECTIVE PR JOB for the CIA's mind control drug LSD. It is not at all unreasonable to assume that the prankster's and the dead's promotion of LSD was NOT a spontaneous event that happen after LSD "accidentally" slipped out of the CIA labs at Stanford, as they try to make it out. The dead and their writers always try to make it look like LSD just "accidentally" got out of the army research labs at Stanford. It looks a helluva lot more like it was INTENTIONALLY released by the government masons, using Kesey, the Dead, and Owsley Stanley to hype and distribute this drug. Owsley Stanley was the greatest LSD manufacturer of all time. He is directly responsible for ALL of the LSD used at Kesey's tests, and for the LSD that was distributed widely. He views LSD as a sacrament. You can read about his ideas on LSD here: thebear.org/essays.html#anchor430693

He is known to promote a book called "The Kybalion", authored by "Three Initiates". DOes anyone have any more information on this book? Is it a masonic book? If so, then there should be no further doubt that Owsley Stanley, the LSD manufacturing kingpin of the 60's, was a masonic operative. His family history would certainly suggest a masonic background, as one of his descendants was Augustus Owsley Stanley, a senator from Kentucky. Is it possible to be a Senator from Kentucky without being a mason? Owsley (or "Bear" as he likes to be called) had numerous contacts in government intelligence, such as multimillionaire Billy Hitchcock, and government operative and "Whole Earth Catalog" founder Stewart Brand (also a Merry Prankster). Owsley was supposedly "busted" for LSD in the seventies. How much jail time did he actually end up doing for manufacturing and possessing enough LSD to dose the entire population of the earth a thousand times over? No one really knows. He lives in Australia now.

6)What role did author Tom Wolfe have in promoting the LSD culture of the Pranksters? His "best-selling" book "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" took an obscure and almost entirely unknown group of people living in the woods in Northern California (the merry pranksters), and made them (and their culture of drug use and free sex etc) into international stars. Wolfe seems to have a penchant for documenting the exploits of Freemasons. Hence his book "the Right Stuff", about NASA, which as we all know is controlled by Masons (EVERY single astronaut is a confessed freemason.) Phil Lesh often wears NASA t-shirts at his concerts. DOes anyone know of Wolfe's masonic connections? Wolfe is this clown who lives in NYC who goes around in an idiotic white suit and hat. This is his "trademark" or something.

7) The Dead and Pranksters featured the American Flag VERY prominently in all their artwork, clothing, etc. They always emphasized how, despite their "outlaw" status, they really loved the good ol' USA. Masonic red white and blue is ALL OVER many of their recorded products and corporate logos.

Robert Hunter's lyrics abound with Masonic references. First is his song "The Mason's Children". In addition there is his hit "Friend of the Devil", with the repeated refrain "A friend of the Devil is a friend of mine". In addition there is the Dead "signature" tune called "Dark Star", which is a well-known satanic reference. I could easily go ON AND ON AND ON with masonic quotes from Robert Hunter's lyrics, but you can go to any lyric site on the web and look them up yourself. I doubt you could find one song by this guy that doesn't have some kind of masonic reference in it.

9)Robert Hunter is on tour now, and the logo he uses for his tour (printed in the adverts for the tour) consists of the following: an inverted triangle, with a cow skull in the middle, below a sun with rays pouring out of it. Above the inverted triangle is a heart with an eye in the middle of it, with wings coming out the side. I think such a blatantly masonic logo could hardly be an accident. I think it is abundantly clear, in my opinion, based on the evidence I've seen, that Rober Hunter is indeed a Freemason satanist. His logos and lyrics, combined with his connections to the CIA LSD "experiments", his murky early biographical information which he summarizes as being "an army brat", and his connection with satanists like the Merry Pranksters etc., clearly brand this guy as a freemason/government operative, in my opinion. I welcome any feedback if I am not correct.

Another of Hunter's lyrics (sung by Jerry Garcia) is a song called "U.S. Blues". Part of the lyrics go:

"I'm Uncle Sam
That's who I am,
Been hiding out,
In a rock and roll band".

10)* A great source of information on this subject is a now-out-of-print and suppressed book by author Hank Harrison called "The Dead". I used to own this book. It can still be found, but is out of print now, if I' not mistaken. Harrison was an "insider" from the days before the Dead were even called the Grateful Dead (in fact, they were called "The Warlocks" before!!!) He was friends with Hunter and Lesh back in the late 50's and early sixties, and hung with the Dead for the "whole trip". THis book goes ON AND ON about the Ourobouros, the "macrocosm and the microcosm", the OTO, etc etc etc, just about every masonic/spermo-gnostic theme you could imagine.. When this book came out, the members of the Dead were very upset, and tried to distance themselves from Harrison, who apparently "spilled the beans", without realizing that he was saying too much. I always wondered why the Dead were so upset with this book. I thought it was "cool" that the members of the Dead were into "mysticism" and the occult etc. Why would they be so upset over this book? Now I think I know...

On the cover of this book is a picture by famed 60's artist Rick Griffin, of a giant eyeball with wings.

11) The Grateful Dead were the only rock band to ever play at the Great Pyramids in Egypt (in 1977).

Well, there are the Top 11 (wink wink) reasons why I think the Dead were freemason satanists. There are many many many more I could point out. I could easily write a book on the subject. Maybe I will.

Believe me, this hole goes a lot deeper. We could go into LSD consumption during quasi-masonic/grateful dead ritual as homeopathic OTO "elixir" substitute. We could go into the band members involvement with blood and organ donation, but....let's not go there right now. I just ate. Wouldn't you love to donate your blood and organs to members of a group called the Grateful Dead? I hear that since Jerry died, they now call themselves simply "The Dead". Lovely...

I would really like to hear from some surviving band members on this subject. I somehow doubt that any of them will respond though. Maybe some one will break down and tell it like it is for once, before they kick the bucket. They need not go to "Hell in a Bucket", but at least they'll enjoy the ride.

People are crazy.

*not sure of the factual accuracy of this part

grachtengordel

21-02-2009, 11:15 AM

Silence trigger forever:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1150083/Lily-Allens-got-new-tattoo-shhh--Rihannas.html

that is shocking, blatant MK 'sign of silence'

Not least of all because it turns out their secret pact to both get Shhh... etched across their index finger was completely unoriginal.

It turns out pop star Rihanna has exactly the same scrawling on her right hand.

It was an impromptu moment of bonding for the pair, who have been friends for some time after being introduced by music producer (AGENT) Mark Ronson.

Ronson is, of course, the brother of Lindsay's girlfriend Samantha.

samantha ronson is so obviously a 'handler'

hunkahunka

21-02-2009, 02:02 PM

http://www.mathmlcentral.com/characters/glyphs/CapitalTheta_L.gif

i see a resemblance to

http://www.tolkienbooks.net/images/other/ring-eye-device.gif

yes, the theta letter does have an eye-ballish look to it now that you point
it out. Something going on with the pupils/irises too. Cats eye or reptilian irises.

http://www.mathmlcentral.com/characters/glyphs/CapitalTheta_L.gif

the word iris is like osiris

oz iris

hunkahunka

21-02-2009, 02:35 PM

smashstuff

21-02-2009, 03:38 PM

Whoah!

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4650/rihannashhlq9.jpg http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2339/hannhashhea0.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1681/lilyshhjq2.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2263/lindsayshhha4.jpg

emerald

21-02-2009, 05:45 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1151066/Move-Pixie-amp-Co-Kurt-Cobains-daughter-Frances-way-join-Londons-brat-pack.html

runciter

22-02-2009, 08:48 PM

yes, the theta letter does have an eye-ballish look to it now that you point
it out. Something going on with the pupils/irises too. Cats eye or reptilian irises.

http://www.mathmlcentral.com/characters/glyphs/CapitalTheta_L.gif

the word iris is like osiris

oz iris

oz iris!

http://www.germauto.it/fotoauto/SIMBOLI%20AUTO/opel_logo_.jpg

osiris was associated with orion

http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/constellations/orion.jpg

now look at this

http://theo.netsons.org/wp-content/usain_bolt_arrow_795334c.jpg

http://www.kornheiserscartel.com/uploaded_images/Usain-Bolt-713963.jpg

^ usain bolt

http://www.film3d.it/images/locandina_bolt_disney.jpg

(courtesy of rich157)

http://www.freewebs.com/garyosborn/Osiris.jpg

osiris as third eye, between two horus eyes

hunkahunka

23-02-2009, 12:05 AM

You killed your mother . You killed your mother. You killed your mother.

This short video shows how psychic driving can be used to imprint a false reality on victims of MKultra monarch programming. One victim in Canada recounts how he was shackled, drugged, and programmed to believe that he had killed his mother.

It is now officially on the record that the CIA and Canadian government jointly funded MKultra brainwashing and torture experiments at a mental institution in Montreal. This poor man is able to clearly recall the taped message that was played in his ears for 23 days. Heaven knows what else may have been done to him during that time. (all of the victims report missing time, amnesia, and trauma, so this may be only a partial memory of what was done to him)

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfK3qfdmGqc

runciter

23-02-2009, 01:51 PM

I did a search on 'theta iris'
and came up with the web page of phi chi theta, a business education fraternity:
http://www.phichitheta.org/iris/

their newsletter is called the iris
http://www.phichitheta.org/img/IRIS2008.jpg

oz iris

http://graphicleftovers.com/images/206/062.jpg

gold, wealth, power..

http://www.theargonath.cc/stuff/fotrobservation66.jpg

stal

23-02-2009, 02:54 PM

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/album.php?albumid=277&pictureid=2430

note the 'The' inside the O

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crap the pic isnt coming up. it was supposed to be this oscars poster from another thread.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/album.php?albumid=277&pictureid=2430

runciter

23-02-2009, 03:00 PM

:cool:

http://estaralaultima.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/oscars2009poster.jpg

stal

23-02-2009, 03:01 PM

havnt checked this one out yet, but i got it from another forum

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Buckingham Palace butler 'ran paedophile sex ring while working for the Royal Family'

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:54 PM on 01st October 2008

Add to My Stories A former Buckingham Palace butler has been unmasked as a sexual predator who ran a paedophile ring while serving the Royal Family.

Bachelor Paul Kidd, 55, groomed at least one of his teenage victims for sex by taking him for tea with the Queen Mother at Clarence House, it has emerged.

To the public, he had been the urbane gent who waited on the Royals for nine years - first the Queen at the Palace and then her mother.

He often publicly gushed about his blue blood employers talking of the Queen as 'courteous and genuinely caring.'

Former Royal butler Paul Kidd has admitted 29 sex charges involving three boys

But behind the facade, Kidd was leading a secret double life as a serial child abuser who molested a string of boys over a 30 year period.

He was finally exposed after one of his victims read a newspaper article in which he boasted about his links to the Royals and talked fondly of Princess Diana and her musical tastes.

Police raided his two bedroom home in St Johns Street, Stalybridge, where they found almost 19,000 pornographic pictures and videos of children.

Included in the haul were some nude pictures of a teenager who officers were able to trace and interview.

Some images were hidden in a safe while others were encrypted on his computer.

Kidd admitted 29 sex charges involving three boys namely indecent assault, sexual activity with a child and the possessing and making of indecent images of children between December 1974 and January 2008.

An accomplice David Hobday, 56, of St Johns Street, Dukinfield admitted seven charges involving one of the victims of sexual activity with a child and possessing indecent images. Both men face a maximum 14 years in jail.
A police source said: 'Kidd was a very accomplished groomer of children.
Kidd has been remanded in custody and faces 14 years in jail if convicted
'Given that he has been behaving like this for 30 years the likelihood is there could be many other victims out there who have not yet come forward.
'This man used his Royal connections to impress and seduce young boys. He even had autographed pictures of Manchester United players on his walls at home.

'He was acting with at least one other man and it's possible he could have been communicating with many other paedophiles over many years.

'These offences are probably just the tip of the iceberg.'
Kidd had honed his skills as a silver service waiter when he joined the Royal Navy after leaving school - looking after the captain and officers.

During his naval service he visited 22 countries around the world. In 1976 he was appointed as butler to the Queen at Buckingham Palace and served there for six years until being transferred to Clarence House where he served the Queen Mother.

During his years in Royal service, he was said to have met and looked after three American Presidents including Jimmy Carter and Ronald Regan plus many other Heads of State from around the world.

He was also said to have worked closely with Princess Diana at Buckingham Palace in the six months prior to her wedding to Prince Charles.

In 1985 he gave up Royal Service due to a cancer scare but then started charging up to £4,000 a time as an after dinner speaker talking about his work with the Royal Family.

He ran a series of lectures including one he called: An uncomfortable experience for the Queens page boy.
Kidd also starred on numerous TV chat shows in the UK and USA including the Caroline Rhea show in New York.
He also appeared on stage with Hollywood actor Robin Williams at the Nemacolin Spa & Resort Centre in the USA.

He joined Robert Kilroy Silk's UK Independence party standing unsuccessfully as a candidate in local council elections.

In one interview Kidd said of the Queen: 'She was always very courteous, but she only ever addressed me as 'Kidd' - never by my first name.

'She deals with people in a genuinely caring manner. Her children are the future of the country, they cannot be brought up in a namby-pamby manner.

'But in private, as a mother and grandmother, she dotes on the children.'

Police began investigating Kidd earlier this year after a victim, now 41 read a newspaper article about Kidd in which he talked about Princess Diana on the 10th anniversary of her death.

The victim was thought to be so disgusted by his bragging, he went to police and told officers how he was 14 when he was abused by Kidd after meeting him through a CB radio group.

Kidd introduced the lad to his Royal employers and took him for tea with the Queen Mother in the late 70s.

It is believed the victim even spoke to the Queen Mother - at a time when the late Royal had no idea he was being secretly abused by her servant.

It emerged he had met Kidd though a religious group when he was 14 and he was sexually accused and passed onto another paedophile.

A third victim later came forward to say he was abused in the 1980s when he was 15 after meeting him when Kidd was training to be a nurse.

At Minshull Street Crown Court, Manchester, Kidd and Hobday were told they would be sentenced on November 20 after probation officers complete a report assessing whether they are a risk to the public.

Various other charges will be allowed to lie on file.

Both were remanded in custody and Judge Mushtaq Khokhar told them: 'You have both pleaded guilty to serious offences and you will be under no illusion that the likely sentence is going to be custody.'

stal

23-02-2009, 03:02 PM

thanks mate :)

stal

23-02-2009, 03:29 PM

ok i know this thread has moved on from the nirvana aspect, but heres some stuff from another seattle band of the same era, alice in chains. some of their stuff was pretty interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn82dMFGN8g

Lyrics to Angry Chair :
Sitting On An Angry Chair
Angry Walls That Steal The Air
Stomach Hurts And I Don´t Care

What Do I See Across The Way
See Myself Molded In Clay
Stares At Me, Yeah I´m Afraid
Changing The Shape Of His Face

Candles Red I Have A Pair
Shadows Dancing Everywhere
Burning On The Angry Chair

Little Boy Made A Mistake
Pink Cloud Has Now Turned To Grey
All That I Want Is To Play
Get On Your Knees, Time To Pray Boy

I Don´t Mind, Yeah
I Dont Mind, I-I-I
Lost My Mind, Yeah
But I Don´t Mind, I-I-I
Can´t Find It Anywhere
I Don´t Mind

Corporate Prison We Stay
I´m A Dull Boy, Work All Day
So I´m Strung Out Anyway

Lonliness Is Not A Phase
Field Of Pain Is Where I Graze
Serenity Is Far Away

Say My Reflection And Cried
So Little Hope That I Died
Feed Me Your Lies, Open Wide
Weight Of My Heart, Not The Size

Pink Cloud Has Now Turned To Grey
All That I Want Is To Play
Get On Your Knees Time To Pray

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child in red in this one

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDTGZOf1N6U

emerald

23-02-2009, 03:55 PM

A bit of ASIAN MK...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/KodaKumiTRICKCDOnly.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/Kkkcd.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Kumifeelftw.PNG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Secret_CDonly_kodakumi.PNG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Affectionftw.PNG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e1/KodaKumiBestFirstThingsCDOnly.jpg

emerald

23-02-2009, 03:58 PM

runciter

23-02-2009, 08:24 PM

http://www.mathmlcentral.com/characters/glyphs/CapitalTheta_L.gif

http://www.blankettruth.com/wp-content/uploads/theta-brain-waves.jpg

http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/Theta.jpg

Going deeper into relaxation, you enter the elusive and mysterious Theta state where brain activity slows almost to the point of sleep, but not quite. Theta is the brain state where magic happens in the crucible of your own neurological activity. Theta brings forward heightened receptivity, flashes of dreamlike imagery, inspiration, and your long-forgotten memories. Theta can bring you deep states of meditation. A sensation of "floating." And, because it is an expansive state, in Theta, you may feel your mind expand beyond the boundaries of your body.

Theta rests directly on the threshold of your subconscious. In biofeedback, it is most commonly associated with the deepest levels of meditation. Theta also plays an important part in behavior modification programs and has been used in the treatment of drug and alcohol addiction. Finally, Theta is an ideal state for super-learning, re-programming your mind, dream recall, and self-hypnosis.

Theta waves range between 4-7 HZ. Theta is one of the more elusive and extraordinary realms we can explore. It is also known as the twilight state which we normally only experience fleetingly as we rise up out of the depths of delta upon waking, or drifting off to sleep. In Theta, we are in a waking dream, vivid imagery flashes before the mind's eye and we are receptive to information beyond our normal conscious awareness. Theta has also been identified as the gateway to learning and memory. Theta meditation increases creativity, enhances learning, reduces stress and awakens intuition and other extrasensory perception skills.

http://www.brainsync.com/brainlab_theta.asp

http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/a/a_11/a_11_p/a_11_p_cyc/a_11_p_cyc_1a.jpg

hunkahunka

24-02-2009, 02:45 AM

listen to the lyrics to this song, which is the Bourne Identity theme song,
'Extreme Ways' (linked below)

the 'Bourne Identity' film itself was about an MKultra programmed assassin

the lyrics to the theme song sound like the story of a multiple remembering his younger days enjoying the adventure and confusion of what he was involved in (ie: there's always room in life for this, did you ever like it then) , then part of the song expresses how he had blocked all of the ugliness out (ie: I had to close down everything, I had to close down my mind Too many things to cover me , Too much can make me blind)

and then the programming starts to break down, and all the terrible blocked memories come flooding back again, and he starts remembering things and places
that he hadn't known before (ie: extreme ways are back again, extreme places I didn't know, Oh baby, then it fell apart, So many dirty things. You couldn't even believe)

then the final lines of the song can be interpreted as lamenting the predictable
late-twenties breakdown of programming

(Oh baby, oh baby
Then it fell apart, it fell apart
Oh baby, oh baby
Like it always does, always does)

video(Bourne Identity Trailer, with theme song 'Extreme Ways' in background)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U-7DJFgooU

"Extreme Ways" lyrics

Extreme ways are back again
Extreme places I didn't know
I broke everything new again
Everything that I'd owned
I threw it out the windows, came along
Extreme ways I know move apart
The colors of my sea
Perfect color me

Extreme ways that help me
That help me out late at night
Extreme places I had gone
But never seen any light
Dirty basements, dirty noise
Dirty places coming through
Extreme worlds alone
Did you ever like it then

I would stand in line for this
There's always room in life for this

Oh baby, oh baby
Then it fell apart, it fell apart
Oh baby, oh baby
Then it fell apart, it fell apart
Oh baby, oh baby
Then it fell apart, it fell apart
Oh baby, oh baby
Like it always does, always does

Extreme songs that told me
They helped me down every night
I didn't have much to say
I didn't get above the light
I closed my eyes and closed myself
And closed my world and never opened
Up to anything
That could get me along

I had to close down everything
I had to close down my mind
Too many things to cover me
Too much can make me blind
I've seen so much in so many places
So many heartaches, so many faces
So many dirty things
You couldn't even believe

I would stand in line for this
It's always good in life for this

Oh baby, oh baby
Then it fell apart, it fell apart
Oh baby, oh baby
Then it fell apart, it fell apart
Oh baby, oh baby
Then it fell apart, it fell apart
Oh baby, oh baby
Like it always does, always does

hunkahunka

24-02-2009, 03:47 AM

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/02feb/RICR-090219.php

Ben Singleton of Pseudoccult media was just recently interviewed by Henrik Paulmgren on Red Ice radio.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/02feb/RICR-090219.jpg
Ben Singleton - Pseudoccult Media
February 19, 2009

We follow the theme discuss of the Media and the Occult with our guest Ben Singleton from Pseudoccult Media. We going into intriguing and ugly area of Mind Control, Celebrities, Artists, Pop Culture, the Music Video Scene. We're talk about examples, people, common themes, the symbolism, triggers and key elements of certain Music Videos, TV Series and Films. Topics discussed: Kylie Minogue, Rihanna's Disturbia, Mariah Carrey and her handler Richard Branson, Butterflies, Rainbows and Pentagrams. We discuss concert costumes, dolls, robots, (Pussycat dolls), Cats, Katy Perry, Anna Nicole, Britney Spears, Michael Jacson, Neverland, The Luxor Hotel, Ventriloquist, David Lynch, Jennifer Lynch, Mulholland Drive, Twin Peaks, Abuse that runs in the family, Bloodline celebrities, Sex and Blackmail. Don't miss segment two, we continue talking about the Ugly side of showbiz: Britney Spears, Disney 33 Club, Polanski, Coppola, Pedophilia, Lewis Carroll and Alice in Wonderland. We also discuss TV series. United States of Tara, Spielberg, Taken, The Black-Ops and mind control aspect of E.T., Miley Cyrus/Hanna Montana, alters, spies, the country western music scene, Dolly Parton, Princess Di, Papparazzi, Jon Bonnet Ramsey, Blackmailing of Politicians by the use of Mind Controlled Sex Slaves and much more.

audio:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/02feb/RICR-090219-bsingleton-low.mp3

hunkahunka

24-02-2009, 01:45 PM

Having previously posted the 'Bourne Identity' trailer , I also watched Moby's 'Extreme Ways' television video below for mind control clues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8eV7suSA4k

apart from Moby looking exactly like William Burroughs at 2:33, the clues are buried in the blurred scenes that flash throughout. You can see a vibrator in one shot, a bondage gag on an asian girl in another , blood on the body of a dancer in another, a masonic square framing the stage, and it appears to be shot in a subway tunnel, denoting underground/secret activity, with some sort of bondage theme trapeze show going on above. People are suspended from ropes and chains and fighting mid-air, being swung at eachother, which would imply that they are puppets, under outside control , possibly a metaphor for the underground being some kind of death-defying circus for those involved.

[also the contrast:
a hidden tunnel/underground contrasted with the spectacle of
a high altitude trapeze show reminds of the motto 'As above, so below']

hunkahunka

24-02-2009, 02:14 PM

ok i know this thread has moved on from the nirvana aspect, but heres some stuff from another seattle band of the same era, alice in chains. some of their stuff was pretty interesting.

hi Stal, unfortunately those videos have embedding disabled. Would you please edit or repost this with direct links to the videos instead of embedding? (all you have to do is tag the links as [URL] instead of [media] and they will post ok.

hunkahunka

24-02-2009, 02:29 PM

You killed your mother . You killed your mother. You killed your mother.

this short video shows how psychic driving can be used to imprint a false reality on victims of MKultra monarch programming. One victim in Canada recounts how he was shackled, drugged, and programmed to believe that he had killed his mother.

It is now officially on the record that the CIA and Canadian government jointly funded MKultra brainwashing and torture experiments at a mental institution in Montreal. This poor man is able to clearly recall the taped message that was played in his ears for 23 days. Heaven knows what else may have been done to him during that time. (all of the victims report missing time, amnesia, and trauma, so this may be only a partial memory of what was done to him)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfK3qfdmGqc&feature=channel_page

the victimized man from the above video, Robert Logie, is completing a new Youtube documentary about what happened to him called 'Subliminus'.
His Youtube channel is here:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=photo986

In the 1950's and 60's the CIA and the canadian govt financed a doctor in montreal to carry out barbaric brain washing experiments on me and many others.

We sued and won both cases and now the Canadian Security Intelligence have me in a Terrorist Bank (No Legitimate Reason )I have to say this action by the C.S.I.S. is sicker then the barbaric brainwashing experiments on me in the 50's and 60's.

We were going to make a documentary but have decided to tell my story on you tube

it is called SUBLIMINUS. It will be up on the week of February 25th. It has been 50 years and the pain never goes away.

I have complained to the privacy Commissioner about the CSIS. she is independent and I believe she will rule in my favor and then I will take what ever action that I need to take.
Name: robert
Age: 70
My Hobby is photography
Country: Canada

hunkahunka

24-02-2009, 03:00 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Gy8TRgVDE&feature=related

stal

24-02-2009, 03:31 PM

hi Stal, unfortunately those videos have embedding disabled. Would you please edit or repost this with direct links to the videos instead of embedding? (all you have to do is tag the links as [URL] instead of [media] and they will post ok.

done. sorry about that. didn't see the disable.

mountain

24-02-2009, 05:06 PM

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Hey thanks, emerald! Glad someone posted another global aspect of this topic. I wanted to do the same, been thinking about it lately because Hollywood is everywhere actually.

Yea BoA as well as alot of Jpop princesses are definitely to be looked at carefully. We all know the ties the US gov has with Japan, man this is a tangled web. If we all analyze this properly we can see how deep the deception goes.

emerald

24-02-2009, 05:50 PM

I keep going...

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emerald

24-02-2009, 06:06 PM

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hunkahunka

26-02-2009, 06:04 AM

Hospital immortalized in 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' to be torn down

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Tuesday, July 15th 2008, 3:49 PM

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/07/16/alg_cuckoo.jpg
Oregon State Hospital, in Salem, where 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' was filmed. The institution is being torn down to make way for a new facility.

SALEM, Ore. - So long, Cuckoo's Nest.

Oregon State Hospital, the mental institution where the 1975 movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" was filmed, is making way for a new complex. Most of the dilapidated, 125-year-old main building will be torn down and replaced starting this fall.

Although mean Nurse Ratched was pure fiction, the Oregon State Hospital has struggled with some very real troubles over the years, including overcrowding, crumbling floors and ceilings, outbreaks of scabies and stomach flu, sexual abuse of children by staff members, and patient-on-patient assaults.

http://www.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/olive/images/3359/hospital029.jpg

Politicians had been talking for years about the need to replace the hospital, but didn't get serious about it until a group of legislators made a grim discovery during a 2004 tour: the cremated remains of 3,600 mental patients in corroding copper canisters in a storage room. The lawmakers were stunned.

"Nobody said anything to anybody," said Oregon Senate President Peter Courtney, who dubbed the chamber "the room of lost souls."

http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/ohq/109.2/images/brown_fig02a.jpg
Oregon State Hospital farm

The remains belonged to patients who died at the hospital from the late 1880s to the mid-1970s, when mental illness was considered so shameful that many patients were all but abandoned by their families in institutions.

"It just created such an emotional momentum" for replacing the hospital, said Courtney, who led the effort to build a new institution.(yeah, right, 'emotional momentum was all that it was)

Although "Cuckoo's Nest" was filmed here, neither the movie nor the 1962 Ken Kesey novel on which it was based makes any specific references to Oregon State Hospital. Kesey drew on his experiences working at a veterans hospital in Palo Alto, Calif., and set his satirical story at an unnamed institution in Oregon.

Actor Michael Douglas, co-producer of the movie, scouted various West Coast locations and chose the Oregon institution because then-Superintendent Dean Brooks agreed to give the moviemakers unfettered access.

"They wanted to make it on location with real patients," said Brooks, now 91, who was given a speaking part as a weak-willed doctor who acquiesces to Nurse Ratched. Brooks said 89 patients were hired as extras.

Douglas, Jack Nicholson (who played the rebellious Randle Patrick McMurphy) and Louise Fletcher (Nurse Ratched) were regulars at the hospital during shooting.

Milos Forman, the director, lived for six weeks at the institution and had his actors study real patients, according to a 1975 account in Rolling Stone magazine. Nicholson became depressed because of what he saw, including electroshock being administered to a patient.

hunkahunka

26-02-2009, 06:12 AM

The Salem Witchcraft trials 1692:

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/salem/salem.htm

these trials took place in Salem, Massachusetts

interesting to note that Salem, Oregon was named after Salem, Massachusetts,
by David Leslie from Salem, Massachusetts

Salem borders Eugene (Emerald City)

http://www.blm.gov/or/districts/salem/images/SalemPopUpMap.jpg

http://walterwoods.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/witch.jpg

"they tried to change her brain and personality around to forget me by giving her over to a mind control doctor named Dr Pharr in Portland to try to re-parent her which was one of the names they used in that new age era."

Love Runs Wild
Courtney Love's father, Hank Harrison, discusses his rocker daughter
April 16, 2004

Court TV Host: Talk live online to Courtney Love's estranged father, Hank Harrison. Love is facing a trial on felony drug charges in Beverly Hills, California, where she is scheduled to be arraigned on April 30th. Hank Harrison was just on Catherine Crier Live, and he's going to be chatting with us here.

Court TV Host: Welcome, Mr. Harrison, thank you for being our guest today.

Hank Harrison: Thank you.

Court TV Host: Anything you didn't get a chance to say on air that you'd like to begin with before we take questions?

Hank Harrison: Okay. I came prepared today to discuss the death of Robert Pastorelli on April 8th. Pastorelli died in his home from an overdose of morphine and vomited all over himself. He then was found with the needle still hanging from his arm. This is the typical way junkies die. It is considered an overdose or suicide. In this case it was ruled an accident by the Los Angeles Medical Examiner Clyde Reeves. I have the report right here, and it's available on The Smokinggun.com Pastorelli died typically, quickly, with the amount of heroin he had in his system. He had been addicted for several weeks prior to his death. The rebuttal that junkies build up a tolerance is only true to a certain extent. No one, not even an army mule, which was the analogy given earlier on the Crier show, can sustain the amount of heroin that was found in Kurt Cobain's body. However, the Pastorelli situation was typical due to the bodily fluids being rejected, whereas in the Cobain case the body was laid down and cleaned up, the needle was put back in the box, the tie-up was neatly rolled up in the cigar box, and the kind of heroin that was found in the syringe at the Cobain crime scene was black tar heroin which my experience tells me was not powerful enough in it of itself to create that much morphine toxicity. So anyone, regardless of what your agenda is, will see by comparing the Pastorelli case with Cobain's could see that something's wrong, because the vomit and other bodily fluids were nowhere to be found. Therefore, the conclusion is: somebody cleaned up the crime scene! Somebody cleaned up the body before it was laid to rest in that position. Here's the next part: if the crime scene had simply been scrubbed up, which is often the case when family interfere with crime scenes before the police get there, we wouldn't have much to talk about. But then the suicide theorists want us to believe that Kurt stood up, took a shotgun in his mouth and pulled a trigger after which he wiped off the fingerprints. These few things that I've mentioned are only two or three of the amazing contradictions that one finds in this case. And I haven't even mentioned murder yet or motive. Now I'll take questions.

Question from Shell: People say that Robert may have murdered his girlfriend years ago. Do you believe there is any truth to that?

Hank Harrison: I have no idea. I'm merely using the current forensics to establish a point. It merits investigation because she died in '99. Six years is a long time to carry a torch which would wind up in suicide. However I was only using the Pastorelli case as an example of the forensic dissimilarities.

Question from isis: When you said that Courtney was a fraud and manipulated the media, what did you mean?

Hank Harrison: How could you be more clear than that? (Laughs.) I mean the media all and all is pretty stupid, and the public is pretty gullible. If NBC can have big shows like Apprentice and have it be #1, I don't know what's left of TV. Courtney has spent millions of dollars of Kurt's money especially buying television, radio, and print media. No one ever seems to wonder how someone who's never had a hit record managed to get that much ink. The answer is she pays for it. She hires publicists with every extra dollar to guarantee her appearances on Letterman or Leno. To get on Jay Leno she went up to his door with a black cat -- she knew Leno was fond of cats. She walked up to his house, rang the bell and asked if he wanted to adopt another cat. That's how Courtney and Jay met. But Jay doesn't know that she's being pulling that same scam for 25 years! Sometimes it's a puppy, it's a kitten or just herself looking bedraggled. She gets people to take her in that way emotionally. One has to be very firm with people like Courtney; alcoholics and junkies are very manipulative. Add to that the fact that Cournety's mother is a 150 IQ and I have a 131 IQ and a photographic memory. Courtney has both You can imagine what she's capable of. She IS a rocket scientist -- if she wanted to be.

Question from Pammy: Sir, how long have you and your daughter been estranged?

Hank Harrison: I never thought I was estranged from Courtney. Courtney tells people that in the media. The answer is probably since the baby was born. She told me in 1993 the year before Kurt died that I could go up to Seattle to see the baby and meet Kurt. She did not tell me that the week before our meeting she had solicited his murder/assassination to a guy named Eldon Hoke a.k.a. Il Duce and of the Mentors rock punk band. Il Duce was hit by a train two years later, but only after passing several lie detector tests. I was fortunate enough to speak to Il Duce in person and on the telephone. Once in Chicago I bought him dinner and drinks in '97 when he was doing the Jerry Springer show. At that time he looked me in the eye and said he did it. He's disreputable, but I believed him. My heart sank again. Add to that the kind of "father bashing" she spent so much money on -- hatchet jobs, attacks on my career and wife and so forth causes me to wonder why she would protest so much unless I hit a vital nerve.

Question from JohnMark: How was your relationship with your daughter before you wrote your book and how is it now, after the book is out?

Hank Harrison: My book is not out yet. That is a misunderstanding. The book to which you are referring is probably the book by Halperin and Wallace That book came out in '98 or '99 as "Who Killed Kurt Cobain?" and has been rehashed now under "Love Kills." And I cooperated with the original book but not the second book because in the meantime I had a falling out with Halperin. My book is looking for a publisher now. It is finished. It is 700 pages thick, and I assure that I am a professional writer. Almost nothing in my book overlaps anything in the Love Kills book. But Courtney has spent an unimaginable amount of money attempting to suppress my book and career. She doesn't want my book to come out. She can handle Halperin and Wallace--they haven't got a clue. They just suspect -- they have plausible suspicions. But I have exact knowledge of places, date, and times, and I have letters both from Courtney as well as Kurt's family, even President Clinton in my book.

Question from Caren: Why do you seem so willing to "hang out" with Courtney, as you stated? What do you hope to accomplish by doing that? And why would you want to "hang out" with a so-called murderer?

Hank Harrison: Very good. Here it is: First, I had a heart attack in January, followed by a mini stroke. I want to see my granddaughter before I kick the f--king bucket. Hasn't anyone gotten that yet? I am 63! People who ask that question are almost always not parents.

Question from Shell: Have you given up hope that your daughter can pull her life together, if not for herself, then at least for her child?

Hank Harrison: Absolutely not. She's full of hope and so am I. She's got more guts than anybody you'll ever meet. And I do love her -- I want people to know that. She 's a lot like me. If I hadn't gone to therapy I'd be just like her. She's me without therapy. I wish she would go and get some with all that money she's got.

Question from annarocket: Why doesn't Courtney want to have a relationship with you?

Hank Harrison: Because I'm an a-hole. (Laughs.) Because she knows I know all of her tricks. You can't function in a world where everyone knows your tricks. I taught her all of those tricks. I didn't manage the Grateful Dead for seven years and not learn something.

Question from Sckare: What's the strongest piece of evidence you have against Courtney about Kurt ?

Hank Harrison: The forensics are very strong that Kurt was murdered. But much weaker when it comes to pointing the finger directly at Courtney Love. Courtney used this guy Tom Grant as a patsy to establish an alibi on Easter Sunday 1994. Kurt was probably in a coma at that time she was in LA. I cannot prove that Courtney killed Kurt. However, it's pretty obvious that somebody did. There's another forensic element that needs to be discussed. When Kurt's body was found there were two fresh needle marks on his left arm opposite the elbow. Kurt was left handed. No one who ever used drugs with him ever saw him inject drugs into his left arm. Therefore, I pretty much conclude that whoever did the actual injection was either very stupid or did not know that Cobain was left-handed. Again that doesn't answer the earlier question. There was one thing that is ominous and difficult to rationalize: no one involved in the case was ever able to trace Courtney to an airplane flight on Easter or the Monday after Easter. Although Kurt was easily traced via his credit card and his United Airlines computer documentation. However, two flights were recorded from LAX to Boeing field in Seattle during that time frame. Both were private jets. Add to this the fact that it is well known that she bragged about it a lot -- that Courtney always had a private jet at her disposal as part of the "Geffen arrangement". But again, that has to do with the cover-up after the fact. The people who helped her cover up what happened were frightened for their own mistakes, they did not have anything to do with killing Kurt but they had a lot do with covering it up after the fact. In order to prove that those jets were used one would have to prove they were Geffen corporate. In order to prove that Rosemary Carol the attorney was engaged in a conflict of interest situation, you would have to subpoena Collico records to see what Rosemary had written in any reports. Although one wonders why Kurt and Courtney had the same lawyer.

Question from Inc: What kind of little girl was Courtney?

Hank Harrison: All that stuff is in my book. Wonderful, brilliant beautiful child. All areas. Easy to get along with. Never caused any trouble until she was seven or eight, and then they took her away from me. An interesting point to be brought up here, and I hope it is not too self-serving, but in 1971 I was in a Zen monastery when I got the subpoena to come to court to defend myself as to why I should not allow adoption of my daughter to Frank Rodriguez because the assumption was because I was in a Zen monastery, and they were Catholics and that I had very little money. It looked like I abandoned her. At that time, 1971, Mr. Rodriguez was asked the following question by the court: "Are you now and forever more capable of providing a healthy and secure environment for said child?" Answer under oath: "Yes." Fact: Rodriguez and Rodriguez were separated and filing for a divorce when that statement was made. Thus, he perjured himself. Mysteriously, all of those documents were lost in the basement of San Francisco, and I could never find them. Here's the kicker: 1997 rolls around and my attorney of record on that case, one Dennis B. Natali, was shot dead on the street by a gang of Vietnamese thugs to silence him from testifying in a federal case. When that happened a few months later his widow allowed some of his clients to go into his office and get documentations pertinent to their cases. Lo and behold, there was the entire adoption case sitting in a cardboard box in his office. Now I have all the documentation I need. Because I was denied due process to reopen that case, and prove that Rodriguez perjured himself. Guess who has my granddaughter right now? Frank Rodriguez, the second husband, even though Linda Carol, my wife, Courtney's mother, married three other guys after Frank, Frank is still messing with my life! That's how far back this bad karma goes. Frank was the one who put Courtney in a mental hospital and several foster homes and juvenile halls. Even though my own sister wanted her to come and live with in San Francisco, and my sister is a social worker.

Court TV Host: You mentioned that documents related to the initial case were lost -- how did your dead lawyer, Natali, how did he end up with the documents?

Hank Harrison: They were answers and depositions to his filings, counter filings and counter suits because I fought hard. At the time it didn't look good with me being the manager of a rock band like the Grateful Dead.

Question from Pammy: Sir, what is your hope of the outcome of all this? a new investigation?

Question from Shell: Aren't you concerned that your discussions might prompt a new investigation in which Courtney could be indicted for murder?

Hank Harrison: Okay, the answer is simple, there will never under any circumstances be a new investigation in Seattle. And I don't know enough about the law to speculate on a federal involvement being the fact that they crossed state lines during the commission of the crime. But I can reiterate: the state of Washington, the city of Seattle will never reopen the case. They did not like Kurt or the grunge movement. Kurt said things to offend the local gentry and constabulary, such as: "Happiness is a rock in a cop's face." And that's just one of them. Seattle has nothing to gain by opening the case because it's going to make them look bad. And it may end up with lawsuits because several people killed themselves under the assumption that it was a suicide.

Question from Caren: Out of curiosity, if you did not raise her & have barely known her personally for many years, how do you feel you can comment on anything she does?

Question from Caren: How do you know what she does for the past 25 years, when you have not been directly involved with Courtney? Do you think maybe you are obsessed with your daughter's fame and using that to get your name out there?

Hank Harrison: (Laughs.) First, those are good questions. I'm already famous -- I've been famous since I was 17. I have several inventions, patents and copyrights, and I've been in Who's Who in the World and America since '92. I was organically in Who's Who in the West in the early '70s My original book on the Grateful Dead was a bestseller. That said, I have been tracking down the secrets of the Holy Grail for the last 20 years or more. And have come to some very, very profound conclusion including a great deal of study in the libraries of Europe. Courtney is my only child. I raised her until she was seven. Lost track of her for nine years, found her again in juvenile hall in Salem, Oregon, got her out, demonstrated to her while she was still a minor that she had over a million dollars in trust which her mother was keeping from her. Second, her mother told her I was dead. Third, they tried to change her brain and personality around to forget me by giving her over to a mind control doctor named Dr Pharr in Portland to try to re-parent her which was one of the names they used in that new age era. I was not around at the time. However, since 1979 I've been in touch with everything she's done every day of her life as much as I can in any circumstances. She lived with me in Ireland, and in Sausalito, San Francisco. She moved with me several times until I moved to Europe and came back in '82. She lived with us again and practiced Sugar Babylon and her other bands in my basement. I knew all of her friends and most of her boyfriends growing up. So don't say I "don't know anything about her." I taught her to write poetry and I taught her to read until she surpassed me and was on her own. I taught her to use the library.

Question from Inc: Do you love your daughter?

Question from DetroitRockCity: Do you still love Courtney?

Hank Harrison: Yes, very much. However strange that may seem. I'm also very proud of her. For stuff that she's done that one can be proud of.

Question from nolo: What would you say to Courtney if she called you on the phone right now?

Question from Inc: What would you like to say to Courtney today if she is watching the chat?

Hank Harrison: First of all, my granddaughter is a known equestrian and well trained horseback rider. My wife is an Olympic trainer. It would make sense to get those two together. Courtney is welcome at my house anytime, as long as she manages to show the same respect as she would at anybody's home. I think sometimes my wife would go completely nuts if she showed up, because my wife knows her very well, having met her in Ireland, and Liverpool and elsewhere over the years.

Court TV Host: Any closing thoughts?

Hank Harrison: My book needs to come out to answer all these questions. I am a publisher, but publishing it myself would make it look like a vanity press. Dozens of other people have exploited the Cobain situation -- I will probably make no profit from the publication of my book and will give all my proceeds to suicide prevention and homeless charities.

Court TV Host: Thank you very much for being our guest.

runciter

26-02-2009, 09:54 AM

http://www.salemweb.com/tales/images/corwinhse.jpg

^ salem witch house

http://www.partydomain.co.uk/d-commerce/media/main/2/22881.jpg

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/images/giza.jpg

hunkahunka

26-02-2009, 02:52 PM

audio:

http://freedom-center.org/audio/download/230/MadnessRadio-2006-04-05JohnJudgeGovernmentMindControl.mp3
John Judge was active in the 1970s psychiatric survivor movement and is now special assistant to Congressperson Cynthia KcKinney. Judge discusses MKULTRA and other US psychiatric mind control experiments, which involved torture of thousands of mental patients. Judge also looks at the Jonestown massacre, LSD, and the convergence of Nazism (Jewznyism) with the roots of biomedical psychiatry.

hunkahunka

26-02-2009, 04:07 PM

audio:

http://beyondthegrassyknoll.com/audio/fotheringham.mp3

Ritual Abuse Survivor Trish Fotheringham,
Contributor to the book “Ritual Abuse in the 21st Century”

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51eJ2zVYASL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

hunkahunka

26-02-2009, 05:22 PM

Here is Part 1 of 'Subliminus', the new documentary by MkUltra victim Robert Logey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_17o0dTg1Gk&feature=channel

Once known as Ravenscrag, this mansion perched on the side of Mount Royal in Montreal was donated to the Royal Victoria Hospital in 1940 for research into psychiatry by the heirs of Sir Hugh Allan, founder of the Allan Steamship Lines, and one of the richest men in the world. The Allan is notorious for its role in the CIA's Project MKULTRA, the Agency's initiative to develop mind control techniques which were implemented at the hospital by Dr. Ewen Cameron.

interesting is that Robert Logie mentions in this video that when he was 18 going on 19, he was working at Canadian Pacific Railway, had received three promotions,
and then was thrown into mind control programming.

This ties in with the railway link to the whole 'underground' thing. Could it be that Logie was being groomed to go higher in the railway network underground, but first had to be 'prepared' in some way?

emerald

26-02-2009, 05:40 PM

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/Amii_Stewart_-_Paradise_Bird.jpg
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hunkahunka

26-02-2009, 07:51 PM

interesting is that Robert Logie mentions in this video that when he was 18 going on 19, he was working at Canadian Pacific Railway, had received three promotions,
and then was thrown into mind control programming.

This ties in with the railway link to the whole 'underground' thing. Could it be that Logie was being groomed to go higher in the railway network underground, but first had to be 'prepared' in some way?

http://www.clydesite.co.uk/articles/ravenscrag.jpg

this Ravenscrag torture mansion on Mount Royal
is connected to an underground Canadian Pacific Rail tunnel that goes
beneath Mount Royal Park :

(if you check the following map, you will spot the CP rail route directly beneath Ravenscrag/Mount Royal)

http://www.imagegalore.com/images/J7B73125.bmp
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=ravenscrag+montreal&sll=49.93708,-109.083252&sspn=3.196315,6.723633&ie=UTF8&ll=45.532327,-73.581276&spn=0.108706,0.210114&z=12&iwloc=A

Also, this gets even more interesting:

the same tunnel directly
connects to the nearby Queen Elizabeth Hotel, (another Fairmont rail hotel, like the Banff Springs Hotel and Olympic hotel, linked to Cobain and Frances Farmer ) which was completed one year before Logie was locked in Ravenscrag, btw. There is a rail station directly beneath the hotel , and this route accesses the Amtrak service direct to New York City.

This tunnel system is part of the largest underground complex in the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_City,_Montreal

Underground City, Montreal
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Montreal's Underground City (officially RÉSO or La Ville Souterraine in French) is the set of interconnected complexes (both above and below ground) in and around Downtown Montreal, Quebec, Canada. It is also known as the indoor city (ville intérieure), and is the largest underground complex in the world.[1]

All portions of the indoor city (ville intérieure) are not underground.[citation needed] The connections are considered tunnels architecturally and technically, but have conditioned air and good lighting as any building's liveable space does. Many tunnels are large enough to have shops on both sides of the passage. With over 32 kilometres (20 mi) of tunnels spread over more than twelve square kilometres (5 sq mi), connected areas include shopping malls, hotels, banks, offices, museums, universities, seven metro stations, two commuter trains, a regional bus terminal and the Bell Centre amphitheatre and arena. There are more than 120 exterior access points to the underground city. Each access point is an entry point to one of 60 residential or commercial complexes comprising 3.6 square kilometres (1.4 sq mi) of floor space, including 80% of all office space and 35% of all commercial space in downtown Montreal.[citation needed] In winter, some 500,000 people use the underground city every day.[citation needed] Because of its Underground City, Montreal is often referred to as "Two Cities in One."

With over 32 kilometres (20 mi) of tunnels spread over an area of 12 square kilometres (4.6 sq mi), the 60 residential and commercial complexes comprise 3.6 square kilometres (1.4 sq mi) of floor space, including 80% of all office space and 35% of all commercial space in downtown Montreal. Services include shopping malls, hotels, banks, offices, museums, concert halls, universities, seven metro stations, two commuter train stations, a bus terminal and the Bell Centre. There are more than 120 exterior access points to the underground city. Some 500,000 people use the underground city every day, especially to escape the traffic and/or Montreal's harsh winters and hot summers.

runciter

01-03-2009, 04:54 PM

Candy says I've come to hate my body
and all that it requires in this world
Candy says I'd like to know completely
what others so discreetly talk about

I'm gonna watch the blue birds fly over my shoulder
I'm gonna watch them pass me by
Maybe when I'm older
What do you think I'd see
If I could walk away from me

Candy says I hate the quiet places
that cause the smallest taste of what will be
Candy says I hate the big decisions
that cause endless revisions in my mind

I'm gonna watch the blue birds fly over my shoulder
I'm gonna watch them pass me by
Maybe when I'm older
What do you think I'd see
If I could walk away from me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGMEzfIO70A

Project BLUEBIRD

BLUEBIRD was the cryptonym for a CIA program involving special interrogation methods, including the use of drugs, hypnosis, and isolation. It lasted from 1949 to 1950 when it was renamed "ARTICHOKE", and would eventually become the infamous MKULTRA. Responsibility for the project mainly lay with the Office of Scientific Intelligence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_BLUEBIRD

BLUEBIRD
Deliberate Creation of Multiple
Personality by Psychiatrists

By Colin A. Ross MD

A 10-Page Summary

In this summary of Bluebird, Dr. Ross describes unethical experiments conducted by psychiatrists to create amnesia, new identities, hypnotic access codes, and new memories in the minds of experimental subjects. His research is based on 15,000 pages of documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. Dr. Ross is a past president of the International Society for the Study of Dissociation. Please help to spread the word.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg

humito

01-03-2009, 10:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtehDIWrX5U&feature=related

cobain hilariously sending up top of the pops /smells like teen spirit and Morrissey lol brilliant

hunkahunka

02-03-2009, 03:36 PM

Check out this ancient mental hospital , originally established as "Kansas Insane Asylum" in 1866, renamed "Osawatomie State Hospital" in 1901, the oldest mental hospital in Kansas, complete with a 760 acre farm.

http://www.srskansas.org/hcp/MHSIP/MHSIPOsawatomieStateMHHospital_clip_image001.jpg
Osawatomie State Hospital
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~asylums/os_ks/osview1.jpg
http://www.srskansas.org/osh/img/osview1.jpg

Rainbow Mental Health Facility is a 60-bed psychiatric hospital located in Kansas City, KS. It was built in 1973 as an extension of Osawatomie State Hospital and was converted to an independent facility in 1974.

soulja

02-03-2009, 06:14 PM

BLUEBIRD
Deliberate Creation of Multiple
Personality by Psychiatrists

By Colin A. Ross MD

A 10-Page Summary

In this summary of Bluebird, Dr. Ross describes unethical experiments conducted by psychiatrists to create amnesia, new identities, hypnotic access codes, and new memories in the minds of experimental subjects. His research is based on 15,000 pages of documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. Dr. Ross is a past president of the International Society for the Study of Dissociation. Please help to spread the word.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg

Very good article for beginners and sceptics imo.

BLUEBIRD blows the whistle on extensive political abuse of psychiatry in North America in the second half of the 20th century. Many thousands of prisoners and mental patients were subjected to unethical mind control experiments by leading psychiatrists and medical schools. Organized academic psychiatry has never acknowledged this history. The network of mind control doctors involved in BLUEBIRD has done a great deal of harm to the field of psychiatry and to psychiatric patients. My goal is to break the ugly silence. Page K

The participation of psychiatrists and medical schools in mind control research was not a matter of a few scattered doctors pursuing questionable lines of investigation. Rather, the mind control experimentation was systematic, organized, and involved many leading psychiatrists and medical schools. The mind control experiments were interwoven with radiation experiments, and research on chemical and biological weapons. They were funded by the CIA, Army, Navy, Air Force, and by other agencies including the Public Health Service and the Scottish Rite Foundation. Page F

The psychiatrists, psychologists, neurosurgeons, and other contractors conducting the work were imbedded in a broad network of doctors. Much of the research was published in medical journals. The climate was permissive, supportive, and approving of mind control experimentation. P. F, 1

There's your confirmed masonic connections, not that we didn't know the masons had their ''charitable'' hands in the MK projects but it's always good to have something as solid as that.
http://james.psych.umn.edu/scott_rite.html

http://www.srcf.ca/Pictures/AASRPoster.jpg
;)

hunkahunka

03-03-2009, 02:57 AM

video:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8603229737650916728&ei=QHusSeuRCYrEqQKqjc3OBA&q=rainbow&hl=en

hunkahunka

05-03-2009, 06:14 PM

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There's your confirmed masonic connections, not that we didn't know the masons had their ''charitable'' hands in the MK projects but it's always good to have something as solid as that.
http://james.psych.umn.edu/scott_rite.html

http://www.srcf.ca/Pictures/AASRPoster.jpg
;)

very interesting, and Ravenscrag was originally the private mansion of
Sir Hugh Allan , a Scottish shipping magnate. Hugh Allan planned to build
the first national railway line extending into Western Canada. Just like the Skull n' Bones Harriman family were rail magnates, the Allan family were ship and rail tycoons. The Allan shipping line began
as a Scotland-to-Canada shipping line, and Hugh Allan was knighted by Queen Victoria in 1871

The Allan Memorial Institute
at Ravenscrag was named after Hugh Allan.

video:
In this short video, mkultra victim and survivor of Ravenscrag Robert Logie mentions that after leaving Ravenscrag, he moved to Kitchener, Ontario,
and from there moved, by rail, to Vancouver , Canada. This would have entailed a train trip of several days all the way from Ontario to the west coast of Canada. Logie says that he has no memory of having boarded the train nor any memory of the journey itself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsEKjf9HC4w&feature=related

hunkahunka

05-03-2009, 08:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0AFTR8pBRE&eurl=http://www.redicecreations.com/webcast/2009/03mar/RIW-090301.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-r1S1IJXoU&eurl=http://www.redicecreations.com/webcast/2009/03mar/RIW-090301.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rExBVQotv2A&eurl=http://www.redicecreations.com/webcast/2009/03mar/RIW-090301.html

hunkahunka

07-03-2009, 05:37 PM

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Osawatomie State Hospital

Osawatomie is a city in Miami County, Kansas, United States, 61 miles (98 km) southwest of Kansas City. The population was 4,645 at the 2000 census. It derives its name from two rivers near by, the Osage and Potawatomie.

The Osage River is a tributary of the Missouri River, 360 mi (579 km) long, in central Missouri in the United States. The largest river entirely in Missouri, it drains a rural area of 15,300 sq mi (39,600 km²) on the north edge of the Ozark Mountains west to east across Missouri, with its watershed stretching into eastern Kansas

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The Ozarks (also referred to as Ozark Mountain Country, the Ozark Mountains or the Ozark Plateau) are a physiographic, geologic, and cultural highland region of the central United States. It covers much of the south half of Missouri and an extensive portion of northwest and North central Arkansas. The region also extends westward into northeast Oklahoma and extreme southeast Kansas.

Origin of the name

Etymology of the name is a subject of speculation.

"Ozarks" is a toponym believed to be derived as a linguistic corruption of the French abbreviation "aux Arks" . " Aux arcs" is an abbreviation of "aux arcs-en-ciel", French for "toward the rainbows"

[Kansas , Arkansas, and Missouri were all part of he French territory Louisiane, acquired by the United States of America in 1803.
(see: Louisiana Purchase)]

Dorothy undergoes forced electroshock treatment in Disney's
'Return to Oz'

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hunkahunka

07-03-2009, 07:13 PM

Return to Oz Behind the Scenes

A behind the scenes documentary on Walt disney's movie Return to Oz.

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/entertainment/watch/v1290904JFBNDTH5

Magic in These Hills
10 March 2007
Ozarks Witchcraft

I've got quite a vested interest in the lore and magic of my area, the Ozarks and I'd like to share some of that with the blogosphere. For those of you who don't know, I'm referring to the Ozarks highlands area that encompasses the southern half of Missouri and northern Arkansas as well as extreme southeast Kansas and northeast Oklahoma. This area has the culture and folklore very similar to that of Appalachia, with most of the locals being of Scotch, Irish or English decent. There's also the fact that the people of this region held on to their old ways longer than in other parts of the country. Unfortunately, I've never met anyone knowledgeable about the actual practice of witchcraft of the Ozarks. There may be some old folks who remember things their elders did but I've never met them. So I've had to turn to other sources. The primary written sources of information about the old Ozarks are the books of folklorist Vance Randolph. Luckily, I happen to own two of his books "Ozark Magic and Folklore" and "Pissing in the Snow and Other Ozarks folktales". These books are rich with superstitions, magic, herb usage and other interesting bits of Ozark culture. And, wow, what a culture it was.

First of all, the reader must understand that these folktales were collected and written down around the 1940s, so the mindset of these books is very different than from our modern neo-pagan movement. For instance, the author held most of these beliefs and practices he recorded in disdain and his writing style and word usage expresses that quite clearly. So if you ever decide to pick up any of his books you'll have to get past his sometimes derisive tone to get to the meat of the matter.

From the Ozarkers point of view in the first half of the last century the risk of being bewitched or otherwise negatively affected by witchcraft was a very real issue. The magic practiced by some is considered evil but the magic of other people is considered protection against evil. And as is often the case when studying witchcraft I've found that there are many tales in which the interested parties condemn magic of all kinds then turn around and speak an age-old rhyme while hanging up sometimes gruesome good luck charms. There were many different types of magic folks: power doctors, witch masters, white witches, faith doctors, goomer doctors, conjure folks, water witches, witch wigglers and yarb doctors. Now the water witches and witch wigglers were concerned with finding ley lines and water sources but the others specialized in fighting off the harmful magic of evil witches; the yarb doctor was the local herbal healer. The most fascinating aspect of this old time magic is to be found in the chapter entitled "Ozarks Witchcraft" from the book "Ozarks Magic and Folklore". In it, a witches' initiation is described as a ritual repeated over three nights. As a part of initiation the would-be witch must renounce Jesus and the Christian church. Also included is intercourse between the new witch and the devil, i.e. the high priest. Sounds familiar doesn't it? It seems that the old witchcraft of Britain really did survive in these hills, just as it did in Appalachia.

hunkahunka

07-03-2009, 07:47 PM

Here is a clear reference to multiples in Return to Oz: 'Princess Mombi' is given 'the heads of 31 beautiful maidens' in reward for helping the Nome King conquer Oz.

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Not born a Princess like normal royalty or like Princess Ozma. Mombi was in fact a witch, not a powerful Sorceress like Glinda. Now Mombi was not necessarily EVIL, only an outcast in her land.

When the Wizard came to Oz they made him a ruler, and he in secret took the baby princess Ozma (the rightful ruler) to be raised by Mombi. Ozma then grew up being Mombi's slave. But years later, after the Wizard left Oz in his Balloon, the Nome king confronted Mombi about Ozma. He told Mombi if she kept Ozma a secret from all of Oz he would give her the heads of thirty beautiful maidens in the Emerald City and make her a princess.
So Mombi enchanted her slave Ozma into the mirror, never to be seen again (or so she thought). She was now his ally at the Emerald City and she called herself from then forth "Princess Mombi".

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hunkahunka

07-03-2009, 08:02 PM

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The Kansas location on Return to Oz was actually filmed on Salisbury Plain, near Stonehenge. According to production designer Norman Reynolds, Salisbury Plain looks remarkably like Kansas. Reynolds just stuck 4,000 corn stalks into the ground. “Luckily I had spent two weeks in Kansas when I thought we were going to film there, so I knew what it looked like.

Return to Oz spent ten days on Salisbury Plain early in the Production schedule. It was cold and damp, and Fairuza had to lie in a lot of wet mud. “We were so tired by the end that we both got a virus,” her mother says. “We went to the doctor, and he said that there was no way to get over it. So Ruza just recovered during shooting.

emerald

08-03-2009, 01:14 PM

After MICHELLE OBAMA hand's sign, nows the turn of JENNIFER ANISTON:

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emerald

08-03-2009, 01:27 PM

The official explanation for CRANBERRIES video SALVATION (from wiki):

"The music video for "Salvation" was directed in March 1996 by Olivier Dahan in France, for the company Bandits Productions.

It is one of the most acclaimed videos by the band's fans. It has a bizarre mood, and notorious references to drug use and abuse. It shows a clown with needles instead of hair, a confused girl whose parents are being held by the clown, all in a torn house at the top of a hill.

The bizarre images are supposed to represent the effects drugs have on people. The clown jumping on the teddy bear is a symbol of the loss of innocence, and the trapped parents show how drugs are a problem that affect not only the consumer, but also his or her close relatives/friends."

hunkahunka

08-03-2009, 05:52 PM

according to this link Osawatomie is pronounced 'Ozawatomie'

http://forvo.com/word/osawatomie/

There is a communist agitator group known as the Weather Underground Organization , (WUO) made up of 1960's radicals, who carried out bombings and other activities in protest of the Vietnam War and allegedly in support of communism. (still in existence today)

They published a news paper called Osawatomie, in honor of slavery abolitionist and 'underground railroad' proponent John Brown who
operated out of Osawatomie.

http://therealbarackobama.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/osawatomie-cover-spring-75-no-1.jpg?w=197&h=252

http://therealbarackobama.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/osawatomie-cover-summer-75.jpg?w=226&h=300

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b7/Weather_Underground_logo.jpg/250px-Weather_Underground_logo.jpg
Weather Underground logo

seems to be some connections to mind control here. Either the CIA created/set up this group of mk young radicals ( and encouraged violence )
to discredit the movement toward socialism/communism, or the New World Order crowd created them to do exactly what their stated goal was:
communist world government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization))

video:
documentary on the Weather Underground:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay4cgdq6g-o
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P3v207gPGE&feature=channel_page
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pycW1n3eO68&feature=channel
Part 3 seems to be missing

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kD3gijhAU&feature=channel_page
btw , Obama has been linked to this group:
video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV_h-XwchkY&feature=related
interesting too:
the Weather Underground also had links to the Black Panthers and Malcolm X, who once worked as a porter for a railroad., and later used his access to an unlimited free rail pass for his activist travels. Also: Malcolm X's father was assassinated on railroad tracks.

hunkahunka

09-03-2009, 03:23 PM

quote:

Edge of a city

A publication ban means that few details of Pickton's preliminary hearing will enter the public domain as court proceedings unfold. Glimpses inside Pickton's personal life reveals a man who travelled in a sphere that encompassed sex trade workers and bikers.

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Many of the missing women lived in a string of hotels that dot Hastings Street.

Members of the Hells Angels partied at a venue dubbed Piggy's Palace that the Pickton brothers opened in rural Port Coquitlam. Politicians and locals were also known to attend events held inside the hall on Burns Road, located minutes away from the pig farm and near a manicured golf course.

A similar combination of elements intersects on Vancouver's downtown eastside. The area is known as an open shooting gallery that sits within eyeshot of the downtown core and the mainstream. A Vancouver police station borders "Low Track," the stroll where many of the missing women solicited customers.

A powerful chapter of the Hells Angels also have a stake in the area. One high-ranking member of the East End chapter had an interest in the No. 5 Orange strip club and Starnet, an Internet gambling and pornography company that was busted in the late 90s.

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Starnet was located near the heart of the downtown eastside on Carrall Street. The company streamed live sex shows online from No. 5 Orange and was also known to distribute pornography depicting sadomasochistic scenes.

"Anything can happen down here. It's openly okay to sell down drugs here, it's openly okay to solicit prostitution, it's openly okay to break into anybody's vehicle, it's just like a war zone. The police are all over the place but they don't do anything," Steven Arsenault says.

Arsenault moved into an upscale loft near Main and Hastings which serves as the nerve centre for the area. A familiar Vancouver landmark, Carnegie Centre, is positioned on the corner of the busy intersection where locals mingle and drug transactions go down.

Some of the missing women lived in a hotel next door to Carnegie Centre called the Roosevelt. Dawn Crey and Andrea Joesbury were two of those women and they once socialized with Dinah Taylor -- a woman who moved out of the hotel to live with Pickton.

A series of reports suggest Taylor invited women from the eastside out to the farm after she moved out. Crey was reported missing in November 2000 following a lull in the disappearances. Joesbury disappeared in June 2001 and Pickton has been charged with her murder.

Dawn's brother Ernie Crey says he will be attending Pickton's preliminary hearing even though it will likely mean hearing some grisly details.

"I'm prepared to do that because of the memory of these women and also because I expect that some time in the near future the police will have information for me and my family about the disappearance of my sister," Crey told the Canadian Press.

The number of murder charges against Pickton has grown in tandem with the investigation as forensic experts carefully sift through the soil at the farm. While Pickton now faces 15 murder counts, family members say the DNA of other women has been found on the Pickton farm.

"On October 3rd, 2002 we were notified by the Missing Women's Task Force that our daughter's DNA was confirmed and found at the Pickton property in Port Coquitlam, B.C.

"The (police) strongly believe our daughter Angela Jardine is a victim. Her case is still an active investigation. We hope pray we will have justice in behalf of Angela," Deborah Jardine says at a website documenting her family's ordeal.

Dark side of the moon

What first drew Pickton to the eastside is unclear. For two decades he delivered pig entrails to a rendering plant located near the stroll where many of the missing women worked. He would also hang out at bars on the lower eastside even though he doesn't drink.

Investigators have collected thousands of DNA samples from two Pickton properties.

Some women from the area say they feared him and refused to go out to the pig farm, which is situated 35 kilometres away from the downtown core. One of the women who did venture out to the farm was Wendy Lynn Eistetter.

Pickton was charged with unlawful confinement and attempted murder after she escaped from the farm with knife wounds in 1997. Eistetter said she was handcuffed and attacked. Pickton said he attacked Eistetter in self-defence. The charges were stayed the next year.

Several women have come to Pickton's defence including Gina Houston who said she believed police were going to arrest her in connection with the case earlier this year. Pickton supporters have described him as a quiet man who often tried to help women working in the sex trade.

The Pickton siblings inherited the pig farm from their parents and sold portions of the land to developers for millions of dollars. But it appears the huge profits were offset by the enormous costs of preparing the swampy land for development.

Pickton's younger brother Dave has described himself as the organizer and the one who took care of their business interests which included a salvage operation. A report in the Vancouver Province said the Pickton brothers invested in a film tax shelter operated by Monarch Entertainment Corp. back in the 90s.

Dave, who is a divorced father of two grown children, was convicted of sexual assault in 1992. Police say he is not considered to be a suspect in the case. The brothers have an older sister who lives in an upscale neighbourhood in Vancouver.

During court proceedings, Ritchie has said that Pickton is a man of limited financial means, citing his stake in the family farm as his primary asset. The lawyer has described his client as an unsophisticated man anxious to get on with the legal proceedings.

Just as police have remained tight-lipped about their investigation, the defence has yet to give any hints about the strategy it will follow. Ritchie has said the complex case covers an enormous volume of evidence in his fight to have funding for Pickton's defence increased. He struck a deal with the government on Nov. 8.

Media reports say police have found purses, IDs, teeth, bone fragments, and blood at the farm. So far, investigators have reportedly collected more than 10,000 specimens from two Pickton properties in addition to thousands of samples of DNA. Family members were warned that investigators only expected to find body fragments when the probe began.

"It has all the hallmarks of a particularly horrible case because of the circumstances under which the women died, because of the methods through which their bodies appeared to be disposed of, because of the extraordinary vulnerability of the victims, and because the motivation for the killings remains unclear," Boyd says

hunkahunka

09-03-2009, 09:12 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Atkins

Susan Atkins

She dropped out of high school at 18 and went to San Francisco, where she supported herself as a secretary, an office gofer and topless dancer. During her time as a dancer, Atkins met Church of Satan founder Anton Szandor LaVey when she was hired for a stage production which featured her as a vampire.

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Atkins came into contact with LaVey in San Francisco after being released from the hoosegow, and danced in a show he organized called the Witches' Sabbath as a blood-swilling vampire. It was a precursor of things to come for the rootless girl.

She also resorted to dope-peddling to make ends meet. Atkins wound up living in a commune, where she met Manson, who had recently been sent to the San Francisco Bay Area after getting out of prison in 1967.

Sharon Tate was stabbed 16 times by Susan Atkins two years after making this film:

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Manson's Murder Movies

“The last taboo would be to actually kill someone in front of the cameras.”
--Nine years after Sharon Tate’s murder, Roman Polanski makes a cameo in CONFESSIONS OF A BLUE MOVIE STAR -- a film that includes a hoaxed interview with a snuff film director.

The television screen flickered to life showing a grainy and somewhat shaky close-up of a fifteen to eighteen year old Caucasian girl’s face. Her eyes are wide open and a strip of gray duct tape cris-crosses her mouth. The camera pulls back to reveal her naked torso handcuffed to a metal bed frame. Her head jerks side-to-side as low moans and the squeal of metal bedsprings can be heard. The camera pans down past the rest of her naked body and focuses on her feet -- each one wired to the ends of the bed frame.

The camera sways backward to show a larger view of the room... devoid of furniture, cracked crumbling plaster walls, black plastic trash bags cover the two windows. By the looks of the surroundings this was most likely filmed in an abandoned building -- maybe one located in your city or town. After some shaky camera movement, a large man wearing a gray sweat suit enters the picture. His head is covered by a blue wool ski mask. As he approaches the bed frame, the girl starts to twist and struggle.

The man beats the girl about the thigh and stomach with a closed fist. The camera swings around focusing between the impact spots of the punches and her face. The man then removes the bottom half of the sweat suit and rapes the girl. His hands are around her neck. Seven minutes later, he pulls his sweat pants to his waist and leaves the frame.

He returns moments later. The camera zooms in on his hand -- now holding gardening shears. He opens and closes them for the camera. The camera sways to the girls face. Her eyes are closed, and there is no indication of life. The man removes her nose and ears with the shears before cutting parts of her breast.

Four minutes later he rapes her for the last time before walking out of the camera’s view.

Moments later he returns with a hack saw and decapitates her corpse. He holds her head directly in front of the camera. It zooms in for a final close-up.

What you just read was the remembered transcript of a actual snuff film. The description of which was written in the least sensational style in the attempt not to arouse or inflame any unsound persons reading this article. It was viewed several years ago by Frank Schildener at the behest of a federal agent with whom he had a working relationship. It seems that this video was found by the Feds in the possession of a paroled sex offender in Frank’s caseload. Another video found in this creep’s collection was labeled BAGMAN TEN, in which a ten year old girl is bound and suffocated by a clear plastic bag placed over her head. Needless to say, Frank went above and beyond the line of duty to send “snuff-boy” back to prison. The sex offender later testified as the State’s witness against the people who sold these videos to him.

I asked Frank if these tapes could have been hoaxed. His response, “No Fucken way! As a Probation Officer in Newark, NJ, I have viewed autopsy photos of murdered children, victims of sexual assaults, and drug addicts so wasted they appeared to be inhuman. I’m not squeamish, but this display was more disgusting than anything I’d seen before or since. I know many people would like to claim snuff films, or now, video tapes, are merely special effects, but I will tell you this, if that was F/X, then the creator was both a sick pig and the possessor of technology dozens of years beyond Hollywood... and that’s not likely.”

Many people like to believe that snuff films are either nonexistent or the product of a lone murderer who is recording his violence so that he can relive them on a later occasion. They ite the evidence of SCREW magazine publisher Al Goldstein’s $25,000 bounty for anyone presenting him with a real snuff film, a reward that has never been paid to this date. These usually are the same people who deny any form of crime that they do not see before them or have immediate evidence of it’s existence. This brand of thinking has lead to the denial of the existence of the Sicilian Mafia, the sudden discovery of the cocaine derivative, crack (despite that it had been a common street drug for almost half a decade by then), and most terrifyingly, the underground market created for child molesters. In the latter case, child molesters are able to indulge their fantasies through illegal magazines, internet websites and even packaged tours of countries in which child prostitution is common.

“Pretty soon the girls would become victims of more than being sex objects. If outsiders moved in so easily for sex, they could just as easily started maneuvering some of the girls into heavier shit -- like chains, whips, blood-drinking, animal death and even human sacrifice.”
--Charlie Manson talks about some of the people he and his family met in Hollywood. From MANSON IN HIS OWN WORDS as told to Nuel Emmons

The term “snuff film” slipped into the backdoor of the American vernacular in 1971 when it was coined by author Ed Saunders in his assessment of the Manson homicides, THE FAMILY. Between its pages many startling claims are revealed. Saunders asserts that Manson and his band of true believers had in their possession three super-8 cameras at Spahn Ranch which they used to film many unusual events. According to ex-family member Vern Plumlee, most of the films made by Mason were “you know, just crazy movies.” A person tripping on bad acid, girls dancing naked around a bon fire slashing the air with knives, and the occasional orgy “with the added spice of a few famous faces and bodies”, would be shown on a screen made from a bed sheet at any given night at the ranch. I wonder who those “famous faces” were?

But not all of Manson’s films were harmless drug induced exploits of the free love generation. During one filming session a fifteen year old girl called Simi Valley Sherri was brutally raped by Manson’s clan with such savagery that Linda Kasabian (eyewitness to the Tate killing) declared, “The whole scene was perversion like I’ve never seen before.” Little did she know then that gang rape would be a cinematic appetizer for her leader Charlie.

Armed with the knowledge that photographic evidence of Charlie’s Family activity exists, Saunders went undercover posing as a New York pornographer with a taste for the bizarre. In no time at all he found an underground film broker who was selling seven hours of Manson’s porn films. The asking price for the films at the time of Manson’s pre-trial was a hefty $250,000.

He also discovered two most shocking rumors. The first: a man named Chuck, who claimed to be a close friend of “Family murder victim” Gary Hinman, maintained he had in his possession films of a “Malibu and San Francisco ax murders.” How pathetically ironic it would be if Hinman was involved with snuff activities at his beach house -- the same house where his own ear was sliced off by the sword wielding Manson before being stabbed to death by Bobby Beausoleil. Before the night of the Hinman carnage, Beausoleil had a promising film career of his own. In his first film he appeared as an angel in MONDO HOLLYWOOD with future “Family murder victim” Jay Sebring. Another time before the camera he and fellow Family member Gypsy played in the X-rated Western epic of rape, totture and murder, THE RAMRODERS. And in his most famous and only staring role, he acted opposite Church of Satan founder Anton LaVey (who play the devil as well being a technical advisor for Roman Polanski’s ROSEMARY’S BABY) in Kenneth Anger’s LUCIFER RISING. According to Bill Landis’ unauthorized biography of the 1960’s underground filmmaker, Anger himself had a run-in with the law in 1965 when he delivered raw footage of THE LOVE THAT WHIRLS to a local drug store for developing. The film contained scenes of a sadistic doctor “working guys over.” One of the masochists looked so beaten that the developer turned over the film to the police suspecting that “it was a possible snuff movie.” The doctor in the film was arrested and Anger was held for questioning. No charges were filed against Anger but all copies of the film were destroyed.

The second rumor: A famous New York artist purchased from a Los Angeles drug dealer a film “depicting the ritual murder of a woman.” (It is interesting to note that this passage only appears in the first printing hardcover of THE FAMILY, and in part two of this article you’ll find out why.)

Only after delving deeper into the muck of the porn film underground, Saunders finally unearthed an individual who witnessed a few of Manson’s snuff films. The anonymous source claims that Manson and his brood hooked up with a cult of devil worshippers known as the Process Church of the Final Judgment. Together they filmed nightly secessions at a unknown beach location that involved “two key Manson female followers” engaged in intercourse as blood from a recently killed dog is poured over their naked bodies. Another grizzly scene had a black-hooded group of five standing around the naked corpse of a decapitated woman. Saunders might have also suspected Hinman of being involved with this film due to the prior rumor, and also because of the snuff film’s location. He asked his source, “What was the name of the house?” Puzzled, his reply was, “It’s not a house. It’s just a beach.” Was Saunders trying to get him to implicate Hinman’s beach house? Maybe.

“We were invited to private parties in Beverly Hills, Malibu and other exclusive areas. A lot of the movie people shot up heroin, smoked opium, free-based and snorted cocaine... We had long ago chucked our inhibitions about sex, but chains, whips, torture, and other weirdness were not part of our routine.”
-- Manson enters Hollywood society, from MANSON IN HIS OWN WORDS as told to Nuel Emmons

Another interesting turn of events happened that could have advanced Manson’s snuff career just before Helter Skelter. Years before, Manson wrote the suicide-drenched tune CEASE TO EXIST for America’s favorite clean-cut band, the BEACH BOYS. With “death” not being part of the surf culture at the time, the group changed the lyrics to CEASE TO RESIST, now a song about sexual liberation -- groovy. Charlie wasn’t pleased with the change in context. He thought the children of the sixties would embrace his death-tripping vibes. Charlie decided that he wanted to be a rock star, so Dennis Wilson, friend and supporter of the Family, made a few telephone calls.

One of the people contacted was record producer Terry Melcher, the person that Roman Polanski rented the residence at 10050 Cielo Drive from. He and friend and soundman Gregg Jacobson took a ride to Spahn Ranch to hear Manson wail prison blues and folk gyrations on a beat-up acoustic guitar. According to Melcher’s side of the story, he took a pass on Manson’s musical talents, but, Charlie, and his ragged band of run-aways, interested Jacobson. He pitched a deal to Manson that he would produce a television documentary on Manson’s communal lifestyle. Charlie agreed.

During that time, Manson’s group ripped-off an NBC news truck. Though it is not mentioned, it is highly likely that this truck was sent to film Manson for Jacobson’s TV documentary. Charlie’s band got away with tens of thousands of dollars worth of broadcast quality video equipment. Equipment that could have made him a top player in the field of underground porn.

Shortly after the theft, the documentary was called off. Charlie had bigger plans in the works. (In 1978, Manson wrote a letter to a California newspaper claiming that Dennis Wilson supplied him with thousands of dollars worth of video equipment in order to penetrate a world-wide underground porno circuit. If Manson is telling the truth, Wilson could have been the one to encourage Jacobson to film a documentary about the Family in order for Charlie to steal the video equipment. Also the second part of the claim has Manson a fledgling player in a “worldwide” porno circuit. If this is true it is certainly not because Manson had an abundance of “pretty girls.” In fact his girls were so plain looking he couldn’t pimp them out as go-go dancers -- an idea he tried and failed. His only commodity would have been snuff films.)

hunkahunka

10-03-2009, 05:43 AM

Given what I suspect is fairly obvious what was going on at places like Osawatomie State Hospital
re: Oz programming/mk experimentation:

it is notable just how many 'places like Osawatomie State Hospital'
there really were.

I found that the floor plans of scores of gigantic insane asylums built over a period of 40 years in 19th century America, Canada, and Australia all had the same floor plans, and were essentially built according to the same plan. They were known as 'Kirkbride Buildings', because they all followed the same architectural model and were all essentially commissioned by the same group of planners.(the Kirkbride Plan)
http://www.kirkbridebuildings.com/

Today, many still stand, but almost all of them have been abandoned and many of them have been demolished.
There were at least one hundred of these gigantic bat-shaped asylums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkbride_Plan

http://img.kansasmemory.org/thumb500/00076000.jpg
Topeka State Hospital, Topeka, Kansas

Here is a comparison of just two of the Kirkbride asylum floor plans,
in this case Buffalo State Hospital and Topeka State Hospital:

http://www.kirkbridebuildings.com/blog/images/2008/07/21/2.jpg

To get a sense of the scale of this undertaking, consider how large these places were and how many of them there were, and the time period in which they were built,( starting in the mid-1800s ). The population of the U.S. was not very large at that time, yet at least one hundred of these places were built in just 40 years.
I contend that these were very large and elaborate facilities for the time in which they were built.

Considering that we now know what went on with healthy people and electroshock and mk programming in at least one of them.....and assuming that it is possible or likely that they were all built for the same purpose......
Could Fritz Springmeir be right about the scale of this ?

http://img.kansasmemory.org/thumb500/00052878.jpg
as you can see , these were very big places
http://www.kirkbridebuildings.com/blog/images/2008/09/19/1.jpg
Buffalo State Hospital

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~asylums/topeka_ks/new/AlteredStHosp1.jpg
Topeka State Hospital

http://www.psi-seekers.com/wp-content/gallery/kirkbrides/danvers-aerial.png
Danvers State Hospital, Danvers, Massachusetts
the following link proves that Osawatomie State Hospital also had the same
floor plan as Topeka, Buffalo, and over a hundred other such facilities:
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/56984/Kansas+State+Insane+Asylum/

http://kirkbridebuildings.com/blog/images/2008/10/09/1.jpg
Agnews State Hospital, SantaClara, California

hunkahunka

10-03-2009, 11:06 PM

http://www.imagegalore.com/images/8gv22755.jpg
http://www.ozmuseum.com/location/images/ksmap.jpg

hunkahunka

11-03-2009, 05:45 AM

http://www.psi-seekers.com/wp-content/gallery/kirkbrides/danvers-aerial.png

Danvers State Hospital, Danvers/Salem, Massachusetts

Danvers was formerly known as Salem Village. Set apart on June 16, 1752, it was incorporated as a town in 1757. See Historical Sites of Danvers or Danvers History for more details.

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Local 'Rocky Horror' show brings a Danvers State feel
By Ethan Forman
Staff writer

http://www.kirkbridebuildings.com/blog/images/2008/08/07/1.jpg

DANVERS — "The Rocky Horror Show" meets the former Danvers State Hospital this week in DYT Productions' adaptation of the sexually charged, cross-dressing musical smash from the 1970s.

The local production by Danvers Youth Theatre transforms the castle where young lovers Brad and Janet have run-ins with Dr. Frank-N-Furter ("the sweet transvestite from transsexual Transylvania") into Danvers State Hospital.

The hospital's signature Kirkbride building, with its gothic towers and turrets, has served as a backdrop in such films as the thriller "Session 9," said "Rocky Horror's" director Tim O'Donnell. It seemed fitting to turn Frank's castle into the former state mental hospital, he said.

To that end, one of the characters, Magenta, dresses up as a nurse instead of as a French maid. But the Danvers backdrop will not detract from the show many know line by line.

"It's still Rocky Horror at the end of the day," said O'Donnell, a 1999 graduate of Danvers High. The show blasts off tomorrow and runs through Saturday at 7:30 p.m., along with a midnight show Saturday night, at the Masonic Temple on High Street.

The original stage show was turned into the popular midnight movie, "The Rocky Horror Picture Show," during which members of the audience or actors re-enact the movie while the audience cracks jokes along the way.

When it rains, members of the audience spray squirt guns; When Brad and Janet use newspapers to cover their heads, the audience does so, too. When there's a marriage scene, the audience throws rice.

O'Donnell said the cast fully expects the audience to get into the swing of things. He even took some of the cast to a midnight showing of "Rocky Horror" in Harvard Square to get them used to the "shout back" lines.

"We are fully prepared for people shouting back," O'Donnell said. While audience shout-backs are encouraged, O'Donnell is asking fans to leave food, rice, hot dogs, open flames, lighters and squirt guns at home.

Confetti, newspapers, flashlights, rubber gloves, noisemakers, toilet paper and playing cards are acceptable, and the company will be selling audience participation kits with some of those items.

"This is the kind of show where people are going to do what they are going to do," O'Donnell said. When not on stage, cast members will sit in the audience and yell out the shout-back lines.

"Rocky Horror's" sexually charged appeal has crossed generations. While the show is risque, O'Donnell has toned it down. Still, it's not for kids.

"It's not as bad as it could be," O'Donnell said, "we are still sensitive to the fact we are in Danvers, Mass."

Chris Pitts, 22, of Wenham, plays the lead, Frank, in fishnet stockings and a corset. Its a role made famous by Tim Curry.

"I'm a big fan of the movie," Pitts said. "It's a role I wanted to play for eight years now." Pitts studies theater performance at Wagner College on Staten Island.

Michelle Drapek, 20, of Danvers, is a Boston University student studying international relations and a big fan of the movie, but she was unable to make the field trip to Cambridge.

However, her younger sister, Colleen Drapek, a recent Danvers High graduate who is also in the cast, did attend the midnight showing. Michelle said her sister's program came back full of rice.

"I've been preparing for some of the worst shout back lines," said Michelle Drapek, who will play both the usherette at the start of the musical and Magenta, one of Frank's servants.

"It's an interesting show to do," said Nick Ortolani, 20, of Danvers, who plays the straitlaced Brad. "It's challenging in many ways. It pushes you as an actor. It's good it's coming to Danvers," he said, because the show has appeal to young people on the North Shore.

This week, Danvers Youth Theatre will be performing The Rocky Horror Picture Show with a twist: the action takes place at Danvers State Hospital instead of Frankenfurter’s castle. You can read about it here: Local ‘Rocky Horror’ Show Brings a Danvers State Feel.

Aside from scenery backdrops and some costume modifications, it doesn’t sound like this production will deviate much from the original though. The change of setting is more a clever gimmick than a statement or exploration of the hospital’s weird mystique. Still, it’s kind of a fun and irreverent idea which is in good keeping with the story, if not particularly sensitive to DSH’s history. But I don’t think DYT needs to be criticized for that really.

Performances will take place at the Masonic Temple Danvers at on August 7th, 8th and 9th. Tickets are $10. Email danversyouththeatre@hotmail.com for tickets and other details.

hunkahunka

11-03-2009, 05:59 AM

this is the trailer the film 'Session 9' which was filmed at Danver State Mental Hospital in Salem, Massachusetts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsxkRNvEbhM

Danvers State Insane Asylum

An underground tunnel system was common when constructing institutions. Almost every building on the highlands portion of the property is connected via tunnel. They were used for the transfer of patients,storage,fallout shelters and maintenance having a better access to the sewer,heating and water lines in the winter months.

also some more footage of the hospital tunnels:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_piJQuK2WE&feature=related

Other names for this hospital:

* Danvers State Lunatic Asylum
* State Lunatic Hospital at Danvers

hunkahunka

11-03-2009, 06:41 AM

http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/rhps-franksmockglovel-tm.jpg
Dr. Frank-N-Furter

this is a revealing photo of the main character from the Rocky Horror Picture Show. He is a doctor. He is a vampire, and see the triangle on his smock.
This film must have been the ultimate in-joke among the Kirkbride underground.

http://www.cosmosfactory.org/images/books/rhpostermag1.jpg

http://b4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00042/46/61/42901664_s.jpg

the name and makeup are an obvious reference to electroshock
like Frankenstein

http://bp0.blogger.com/_c4twH_sjx5o/Rvha_ACukGI/AAAAAAAAAn8/WVy1sgOQgEQ/s400/Frankenstein.png

http://lifeboat.com/images/frankenstein.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSv1WZn42c

stal

11-03-2009, 09:29 AM

hunkahunka do you have any details of the australian versions of these hostpitals? locations or anything? thanks.

soulja

11-03-2009, 12:52 PM

hunkahunka

11-03-2009, 03:51 PM

Fascinating and very interesting posts there hunka. This whole underground network connecting the important MK places is yet another piece of the puzzle.

Sure people have talked about this before but i can't remember reading anything close to your detailed research on the subject. it's cutting edge info.

thank you, as I've said before, I really wish this stuff weren't true, but here it is .
It's here , there , and everywhere to be found once you have an idea of where to look:

Danvers State hospital in Salem , Massachusetts, was a Kirkbride project.
Oregon State Hospital in Salem, Oregon, was also a Kirkbride project.
(Oregon State Hospital is the same hospital where 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest', by Ken Kesey, was filmed. Salem borders Eugene, Oregon, aka 'Emerald City')

As a result of the site’s 15 minutes of fame a couple weeks ago, I got a few emails about Oregon State Hospital. Each made a case for including the Oregon State Hospital “J Building” in my list of Kirkbrides. They were pretty convincing I have to say. Apparently the building was originally designed according to Kirkbride’s specifications, but when it came time to add on additional wards, real estate issues prevented the wings from being extended in the normal fashion. Instead, they were extended back at a right angle to the original building’s main axis.

After hearing the evidence from multiple sources, I’ve decided to finally consider the building a Kirkbride. .

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_K7W6zueChQ0/SXU83ItqheI/AAAAAAAAAhU/KyxjMyFvCC0/s400/osh+029.JPG
Oregon State Hospital, Salem, Oregon (aka 'the Cuckoos Nest')
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05RbdCt2tzeTz/610x.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_K7W6zueChQ0/SXU8wLFtWqI/AAAAAAAAAhM/1udf4cA93jA/s400/osh+030.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_K7W6zueChQ0/SXU9ZXi0z8I/AAAAAAAAAhc/543ke_Z7Jf4/s400/oregon+state+hospital+068.JPG

http://blog.oregonlive.com/news_impact/2008/09/large_HOSP.JPG
Oregon State Hospital, late 1940's, ice bath therapy

this footage gives the viewer an idea of how huge these places were:

"Oregon State Hospital in Salem, Oregon USA is the primary state-run psychiatric hospital in the state of Oregon. The facility is perhaps best known as the filming location for the Academy Award-winning film based on Ken Keseys novel One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (where the story took place)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_S...
The facility is currently slated for demolition so I snuck onto the grounds and video recorded as much as I could before I was asked to stop. Here is the result.

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXt45--hWsY

hunkahunka

11-03-2009, 04:48 PM

hunkahunka do you have any details of the australian versions of these hostpitals? locations or anything? thanks.

one such project was Callan Park , near Sydney Australia
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3130/2811605835_dfdf226dbb.jpg

Canadian versions were located in Kingston and London, Ontario
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~asylums/kingston_on/kingstoneview1.jpg
Rockwood Hospital for the Insane, Kingston, Ontario, Canada

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~asylums/london_on/londonview1.jpg
Hospital for the Insane
London, Ontario, Canada

interesting article on Danvers State Hospital:

Converting Grim Asylums Into Grand Apartments

DANVERS, Mass. -- Perched on a hill and surrounded by forests and hay fields sits an imposing brick structure that one visitor called "the scariest building in North America." It's the former Danvers State Hospital, the setting of a 2001 horror movie and a painful reminder of the brutalities of institutionalized mental-health care.

Now, Danvers State is shedding its past. AvalonBay Communities Inc., a leading U.S. real-estate developer, plans to build 497 high-end apartments and condos on the 75-acre property, located just north of Boston. The company is building an additional 387 rental units and a nine-hole golf course at another former mental hospital in another Boston suburb.

Around the U.S. and in Canada, state hospitals that have sat largely empty since mental-health care was deinstitutionalized in the 1980s have become a developer's dream in a hot housing market: huge tracts of land located in or around large cities, such as New York, Vancouver and Columbia, S.C.

It's another example of surplus government property being converted to commercial use. But these projects are complicated because of what the state hospitals represent to the mental-health community and in popular culture.

Officials in South Carolina are planning the redevelopment of a 178-acre state-hospital campus in the heart of Columbia, the state capital. They want to save one brick building with the word "Asylum" chiseled in the facade. The building, according to some locals, was designed to block out moonlight, which was thought to exacerbate some mental conditions. "It's potentially the greatest development opportunity Columbia has ever seen," says Columbia's mayor, Bob Coble.

Outside Vancouver, British Columbia, 1,100 condos are being built on the site of another former asylum. In rural Dover, N.Y., a developer has bought the 850-acre Harlem Valley Psychiatric Center, a sprawling property located about 80 miles north of New York City. And in Detroit, the marketing firm Sperry Van Ness will auction 414 acres of a former psychiatric hospital campus on Aug. 30; the property sits directly across from a Home Depot, and near shopping centers and restaurants.

Early on, William McLaughlin, a senior vice president for development at AvalonBay, who grew up near Danvers, wondered whether the hospital's past would make potential renters and condo buyers wary.

"If you grew up in Danvers and you remember it as the spooky place on the hill, it might not be the right place to live," says Mr. McLaughlin. "But I think there is a mix of folks that are going to want to live in a very cool place."

AvalonBay is convinced Danvers State will become a "showcase" for attractive and respectful reuse. The company plans to convert about a fourth of the massive, Gothic hospital building into loft apartments with towering ceilings and exposed brick. New apartment buildings will surround the original hospital and condos will line the edge of the property. At the bottom of the hill, AvalonBay will likely build offices. All the other buildings will be razed.

There will be a pool, a fitness center and a field for pickup soccer and football games. Average rents for two-bedroom units will range from $1,750 to $2,000 a month. Condos will be marketed for $300,000 to $400,000.

It's a far cry from how the hospital appeared one morning last week: The windows and doors were boarded up, roofs sagged and the pathways were overgrown with weeds. It was deeply quiet save for the rustle of wild turkeys wandering the grounds.

Danvers was the setting for the horror movie "Session 9," about a worker who goes insane while removing asbestos from the hospital. "It's the scariest building in North America," actor David Caruso, who starred in the movie, told AboutFilm.com. "It was always scary, and you could really feel the pain of the people that were at Danvers." Mr. Caruso said.

A group of former patients and advocates for the mentally ill want AvalonBay to construct a museum on the site to chronicle the hospital's difficult history. "I want the public to know how cruel some of the treatment was," says Judith Robbins, who was first an employee and later a patient at Danvers.

Her father was also a patient at Danvers after World War II. She remembers that he twice broke his collar bone during his stay there. The hospital explained that he was hurt playing baseball. "I don't think so," Mrs. Robbins says.

Danvers State -- like many state hospitals -- was founded in the 19th century on the idea that the mentally ill could be helped by moving out of cities and into more bucolic settings of farm fields and Victorian gardens.

With its Gothic architecture and sweeping vistas, Danvers State was particularly grand. Over time, conditions deteriorated. Patients, often misdiagnosed and misunderstood, might be "people who were homeless or a little odd or children who were incorrigible," says Richard Trask, the town archivist.

In the 20th century, patients were being treated with lobotomies, electric shock and water immersion. By midcentury, patients were sleeping in corridors because of over-crowding.

Hundreds of patients were buried in two cemeteries on the hospital grounds in graves marked with stone cylinders and numbers. After the hospital closed in 1992, a group of former patients and advocates used medical records to identify the graves and put up headstones. But many records had disappeared.

"If we don't tell this story, we are going to repeat it," says Pat Deegan, who helped restore the cemeteries and wants a museum on the site.

AvalonBay says a museum is impractical. Instead, the company proposes building an outdoor memorial with a series of plaques explaining the history.

AvalonBay is buying the Danvers hospital from the state for about $20 million. Of that, $4.2 million is going to pay for housing for the mentally ill elsewhere in the state and $2 million to the town of Danvers for local schools, historic preservation projects and affordable housing around town.

Some units will be set aside as affordable housing, and 2% of the total development -- about 10 apartments -- will be reserved for people with mental illness. The company must also maintain access to the cemeteries.

Local preservationists wanted AvalonBay to save more of the hospital building, which opened in 1878 and is on the National Register of Historic Places. The company doesn't think there is enough demand to renovate all that space.

Town Manager Wayne Marquis praised the developer for saving the one main building while also maintaining open space. "It's striking a balance of all interests," he says.

Mrs. Robbins left Danvers State as a patient in the early 1990s. She would like to move back to the hill to live in the new development. She likes the idea of having a pool and the promise of a nice view. "It's going to be beautiful and new," Mrs. Robbins says.

hunkahunka

11-03-2009, 05:56 PM

http://cinemassacre.com/NEWS/images/dark-side-of-the-moon-pink-floyd-poster.jpg

the lunatic is on the grass.

I checked on the lyrics to the Pink Floyd song 'Brain Damage'
and here is my take on it. 'The lunatic is on the grass, got
to keep the looners on the path.' To me this means that virtually
anyone who leaves 'the path' , ie: completely controlled , can
be classed as insane. (ie: even something as innocent as walking on the grass is potentially a sign of 'illness'.) This line is about control by conformity,
directing people through the fear of being outcast.
'The paper holds their folded faces to the floor, and every day
the paper boy brings more': this line is in reference to how the
world is going insane, and the daily newspaper reports on it,
ie: the real lunatics are running the asylum

'And if the dam breaks open many years too soon, And if there is no room upon the hill And if your head explodes with dark forbodings too
Ill see you on the dark side of the moon':
This seems almost apocalyptic , the idea that eventually the world will go so crazy , with human life so degraded and devalued, that there will no way to hold back the flood of destroyed people, and no room to deal with them all, save to kill them all off. 'dark forbodings, dark side of the moon' , seems to reference death, and the stark reality that many people no longer believe in heaven or the afterlife. So instead of saying 'they are going to start killing people, killing us, so I'll see you in heaven', he says 'see you on the dark side of the moon'. The song is like a warning not to believe in this being 'god's will', 'rapture' etc .

'no room upon the hill' seems to reference eugenics, ie: a select few in high places will survive 'the flood'.
('the flood' could be a metaphorical/general reference to 'culling' , some future anarchic apocalypse , or literal, ie: deliberately constructed dams (children of the dammed?) with flood
zones created in lieu of alternative energy, in preparation for a planned extermination (flood) of the people in those areas.)

'And if the cloud bursts thunder in your ear, You shout and no one seems to hear'. 'cloud bursts' resonates the earlier line 'the dam breaks open', both references to the flood/apocalypse/culling.

'thunder in your ear, you shout but no one seems to hear': in other words the thunder drowns the people's shouts, In time of calamity your shouts are drowned in the cacophony of the shouts of others, ie: you are nothing special, just one among the doomed throngs .

' And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
Ill see you on the dark side of the moon'. This line means that even people who think they are 'insiders' or 'part of the in-crowd' , and think they will be saved by their support network , may be in for a surprise too.

ie: you start shouting for help, but if no one else in the band you're in (your network) is yelling along with you, in fact do not even hear you, because they are 'playing different tunes' (ie: as soon as you start yelling, they start 'marching to a different drummer'; in other words, they are safe, you aren't, and they don't seem to care) so you're in trouble, you're out on your own. You are soon to be on the 'dark of the moon', aka dead.

Pink Floyd's 'Brain Damage' lyrics

The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the looners on the path

The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more

And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forbodings too
Ill see you on the dark side of the moon

The lunatic is in my head
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade,
you make the change (lobotomy?)
You re-arrange me till Im sane
You lock the door
And throw away the key
Theres someone in my head but its not me.

And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear
And if the band youre in starts playing different tunes
Ill see you on the dark side of the moon

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjK1TRbc7bw&feature=related

A way that this song could be used in programming trauma is the intrinsic
mood of doom and gloom , with its apocalyptic scenarios, with the 'dark side of the moon' substituting for 'over the rainbow'. as the escape route from the trauma.
'The dark side of the moon', as havens or promised lands go, doesn't sound very promising at all, so one would have to wonder what sort of 'dark side' programming, as opposed to 'rainbow' programming would be going on.

I mentioned earlier in this thread that Oz programming trauma could use the traumatizing specter of 'brainless' and 'heartless' companions to imply the
afterlife. ie: a child shown the bodies of murdered morgue specimens ('organ donors') sans brains and/or hearts knows that one cannot physically live without a brain or a heart: so Dorothy meets a friend with no brain, and then one with no heart, so is in effect in the land of the living dead, with mutilated zombies for companions (scarecrow and tinman) who wish to restore themselves to completeness (in other words, return to life: no longer be dead) Dorothy is in the land of the dead,
therefore Dorothy is dead.

This goes beyond 'near-death' trauma to 'after-death trauma' , when you think about it. The victim would be made
to feel that they have died and been sent to some traumatic place that they are forever trapped in. (Not even death offers an escape to the undead.) Therefore the only way out was to 'follow the yellow brick road', ie: follow the path, follow the orders, and follow the programming of 'the wizard', or male witch)

In Oz programming , the actual torture/trauma is also 'fictionalized' as 'only a dream' so that once the personality is split, the memory of the trauma inflicted is forgotten the way that an unpleasant nightmare is quickly forgotten. "whew, it was only a dream". Maybe showing Wizard of Oz , or a film like it, to very young children undergoing programming helped with the process of erasing traumatic memories.

I searched the video titled 'The Dark Side of the Rainbow' to find out which
part of the 'Wizard of Oz ' movie coincided with the song 'Brain Damage' in 'Dark Side of the Moon' and it turned out to be the scene where Dorothy first meets the Scarecrow and the Tin Man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT2SSsr-dT8&feature=related

interesting too that most of the Kirkbride era mental institutions had farms, large unmarked mass graves, and a great deal of evidence of human experimentation
with brains/autopsies/organs.

check out this interview of a former employee of Danver State Hospital:

John- What was the worst incident you witnessed involving a patient?

Preston- Back when they started dual diagnosis they transferred this 15 year old boy from Hogan to DSH. This boy had a habit of crawling into heat ducts. The heat ducts don't go anywhere at Hogan, it's a newer building and you can't get hurt. Anyway they sent him up and he was up there for about 3 weeks and he disappeared. We searched everywhere for him. We looked all over and we couldn't find him. The staff over at J ward started to notice a horrible smell getting worse and worse everyday. Anyway to make a long story short, he got inside the duct work in J Annex. The duct work in DSH goes right down to heating coils. He slid down , couldn't get up , got trapped and died. His feet landed right on the coils and literally burnt off up to his shins. I was there and had to go over there and help cut him out of the wall. There must of been 25 people in that room that day. The Medical Examiner, clinicians you name it. I cut the wall and Butch (The Tinsmith) was there to cut the tin duct work. When we cut through it all, and opened it up the kid was right there and looked almost frozen. The pathologist reached in to take him out and his hands sunk into his chest like jello.The smell was disgusting it was a nasty stench and we all got sick. His death brought on a major,major state investigation. His parents were mad as hell and rightfully so. We had big wigs from Boston and the State Police lab up there for weeks. It was just an horrible experience. I've seen a lot in my 24 years and that was by far the worst.

J-Do you ever recall hearing about a pathology lab and morgue in the Kirkbride prior to you working there?

P-No. The morgue was over in the Bonner on the first floor. That side loading dock on the right side was where the hearse would pull up. It was a large morgue. It had 8 freezer drawers and had an observation room for doctors and nurses who were in training. I got to see a couple autopsies myself. Dr. Towbin who did they autopsies back then let me even watch a couple. Dr. Foote ran the lab and that was located on the 6th floor (prior to the DYS using the 6th floor towards the later years) In the basement was where they kept body parts and brain tissue. They had a freezer there and it was filled with that sort of thing. Maintenance would have to go down there on occasion because there was heat pipes running through and we'd have to climb up and do our work and there'd be all these lab bottles filled with specimens and baby fetus's in bottles just like you'd see in a movie. That lab was constantly busy. They were always working up there. Always doing research on something.

J- When did the morgue close?

P-I'd say around the mid 1970's. They started shipping bodies off the property and they eventually closed everything. They renovated the morgue into the canteen area not long after it closed. They closed the original canteen that was located over by the maintenance shops, behind the Kirkbride and opened up a new one where the morgue used to be in the Medical Building.

J- Was the operating building off of A ward ever used while you were there?

P-No. That was the old surgical unit. Surgeries were done out of the Bonner when I was there.

J- Do you recall any family members attending patient funerals?

P-I've never seen a funeral up there personally because they stopped burying patients in the cemeteries the same year I started which was 68. I heard most families never showed up. The hospital would notify them and they wouldn't show.

J- Do you know who was in charge of buring the patients in the past?

P-Horace Clark and his crew was in charge of burying the deceased. I remember a couple months after I started they needed me to build a wooden box for a patients leg that was in the freezer over in the morgue. They operated on this man and he died. They had a funeral for him and he was buried but they kept his leg probably for further research. He was buried for about a month before they buried his leg next to him. I remember feeling weird about the whole thing, it was sort of bizarre because I just started the job. The old carpenter Eddie Osborne calmed me down and said "it's just a box, you're building a box that's all" and I built it , Horace's crew picked it up and placed the leg in it and they went and buried it. To the best of my knowledge that was the last patient buried there.

hunkahunka

11-03-2009, 06:02 PM

quote:

Dictionary: lu·na·tic (lū'nə-tĭk)

Linguistic roots

The word lunatic is borrowed from Latin "lunaticus", which gains its stem from "luna" for moon, which denotes the traditional link made in folklore between madness and the phases of the moon. This probably refers to the symptoms of cyclic mood disorders such as bipolar disorder or cyclothymia, the symptoms of which may also go through phases. As yet there no evidence whatsoever for any causal link between phases of the moon and the progression of mood disorder symptoms. Correlation has been observed in distant parts.

Mental institutions used to be called "lunatic asylums" or colloquially, "loony bins".

In Russian, Polish and Czech, a lunatic refers to a sleepwalker, literally "one who walks under the moon" or "moon walker".

In Romanian, a word with the meaning of "lunatic" is "zănatic", derived from Latin "dianaticus", from Diana, the Roman goddess of the Moon.[1]

Lunar hypothesis

In a 1999 Journal of Affective Disorders article, a hypothesis was suggested indicating that the phase of the moon may in the past have had an effect on bipolar patients by providing light during nights which would otherwise have been dark, and affecting susceptible patients through the well-known route of sleep deprivation. With the introduction of electric light, this effect would have gone away, as light would be available every night, explaining the negative results of modern studies. They suggest ways in which this hypothesis might be tested

hunkahunka

12-03-2009, 04:15 AM

For those who question the time frame of the Kirkbride project (1840's)
link to mk, and dismiss the premise on the basis of assumption that mk began in WWII, read this:

quote

Deeper Insights Into The Illuminati Formula by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler (A)

Over the years, I have spent thousands of hours studying the Illuminati, the Intelligence agencies of the world, and the occult world in general. The centerpiece of these organizations is the trauma-based mind control that they carry out. Without the ability to carry out this sophisticated type of mind-control using MPD, drugs, hypnosis and electronics and other control methodologies, these organizations would fail to keep their dark evil deeds secret. When one of the mind-control programmers of the Church of Scientology, who has left Scientology, was asked about MPD, he said, "It’s the name of the game of mind control." Research into this subject will never be complete. This book has tried to give a comprehensive view of how the programming is done. The basic techniques were developed in German, Scottish, Italian, and English Illuminati families and have been done for centuries. Some report that some of the techniques go back to ancient Egypt and ancient Babylon to the ancient mystery religions. The Nazis are known to have studied ancient Egyptian texts in their mind control research. The records and secrets of the generational Illuminati bloodlines are very-well guarded secrets.

Even when I’ve learned about the location of secret depositories of some of the Illuminati’s secrets in Europe, America, and Asia, their records and secrets are too well-guarded to be examined. The intelligence agencies, such as MI-6 began investigating these mind-control techniques early this century, but their records have been routinely destroyed and tampered with. There are some survivors and professionals who know that the British used programmed trauma-based MPD (DID) agents in W.W. I. In Jan., 1987, Richard Kluft submitted an article to the American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis about 8 MPD patients who were between 60 and 72 years of age. Traugott Konstantin Oesterreich (1880-1949), who was professor of philosophy at Tubingen University, Germany studied MPD and demonic possession and wrote a classic study of it in 1921 entitled Possession Demonical & Other, which was translated into english in 1930. His classic work on this subject provides documented cases which reveal that the basic trauma-based mind-control was going on in Germany, France & Belgium long before the 20th century. Although he is unable to put together all the pieces and the clues for what they are, the reader of this book might enjoy reading the 1930 English translation of his classic work after they finish this book. Oesterreich’s research in early 1900s was the type of research that the Nazi mind-control programmers were very aware of. In 1921, the Germans such as Oesterreich would describe personality switches, by the term "somnambuliform [hypnotic states] possession" or "demonical somnambulism" or what might be called "Besessenheit von Hypnotismus und bösen Geistern."

The ability to study both the spiritual & psychological aspects of mind-control phenomena, is often lacking today. There are exceptions such as Dr. Loreda Fox’s book The Spiritual Dimensions of MPD. In the 1920s, the Germans also were aware that the human mind has a variety of ego-psycho-psysiological states rather than one unified mind, which they termed "Sub jecklose Psychologie" or the psychology of having correlated psychological states rather than the concept of a single ego. The Germans and Italians under the Nazi and Fascist governments began to do serious scientific research into trauma-based mind control. Under the auspices of the Kaiser Wilhelm Medical Institute in Berlin, Joseph Mengele conducted mind-control research on thousands of twins, and thousands of other hapless victims. Himmler supervised genetic research

If the Kirkbride project began mk programming so early, then what to make of the claim that the Nazis started it , and the Americans continued it afterward?
Maybe the German chapter is only part of the picture. Is it possible that Kirkbride was
part of the Illuminati's 'gearing up' for the planned conflicts of the coming century? The 20th century would see wars of monstrous scale and destruction. How big a role did 19th century mk play in those wars? How big a part did mk play in preparing and providing the Illuminati its legions of monsters and ghouls to unleash upon the 20th century?

Mary Shelly published 'Frankenstein' in 1818.

The purported reason for the Kirkbride plan , touted nationwide by Dorothy Dix,
was to provide idyllic, countryside living conditions for a sector of humanity considered so worthless that they were experimented on and buried in unmarked mass graves.

At a cost that would have been ENORMOUS at that time, these palatial estates were built on prime land . This in the era of child chimney sweeps, Dickensian sweat-shops, slavery, etc. etc., and they did all this out of the goodness of their hearts.
(at the time that these were built, the cities were still relatively small, and these farm complexes were originally MILES into the countryside outside the cities, reachable only by horse and buggy) [Today of course the cities have grown out into the countryside
and now these former acreages are residential subdivisions, with the originally isolated
complexes now surrounded by 'city'.]

So what was the real purpose for building dozens of these fortress-like castles, with bars on all the windows, all of them completely self-contained, in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by hundreds of acres of farmland, with the 'patients' transported via hidden tunnels?

Secrecy?

Or maybe just to add that extra bit of Frankenstinian pizazz to the whole experiment.

stal

12-03-2009, 10:07 AM

interesting that callan park was built on an aboriginal sacred site. my cousins live about 10 minutes away from there.

hunkahunka

12-03-2009, 12:55 PM

interesting that callan park was built on an aboriginal sacred site. my cousins live about 10 minutes away from there.

A lot of the American Kirkbrides were also built on former aboriginal/ Indian settlements and burial grounds and close to indian reservations.

hunkahunka

13-03-2009, 02:35 AM

http://www.infowars.com/german-shooter-avid-violent-video-game-player/

German Shooter Avid Violent Video Game Player

WAIBLINGEN, Germany — A portrait of a troubled, depressed teenager with easy access to an unsecured pistol began to emerge Thursday, a day after the youth went on a rampage, killing 15 people before taking his own life.

By Thursday, the police had established that the teenager, Tim Kretschmer, 17, last year broke off a round of psychological counseling for depression.

Searching his bedroom, the police found violent computer games — in which, experts say, players digitally clothe and arm themselves for combat — plus brutal videos and play weapons that fire small yellow pellets, said Siegfried Mahler of the Stuttgart prosecutors’ office. And they were trying to verify the authenticity of a reported posting to a chat room in which someone warned of an attack on a school in Winnenden. The killer graduated last year from the school where the attacks took place.

Rather than speak of a specific motive, investigators described Mr. Kretschmer as a classic case of a conflicted young man who wreaked havoc in real life after savoring imaginary violence in the digital world.

“If we had known this in advance, we would have called him a prototype of a rampager,” said Erwin Hetger, the chief of police in Baden-Württemberg, the southeastern German state where the crimes took place.

The brutality of the crimes was overwhelming.

Of the 12 people Mr. Kretschmer killed at the school, 8 were girls, 3 were female teachers and one was a male student. Several were killed with carefully placed shots to the head. After killing an employee of a clinic for the mentally ill, he sprayed at least 13 rounds to kill two people at a Volkswagen dealership before turning the gun on himself.

Prosecutors said they could file criminal charges against the shooter’s parents for failing to secure the pistol that he used, as required by German law. The gun was a 9-millimeter Beretta pistol that his father kept unsecured in a bedroom; other firearms owned by his father were under lock and key, the authorities said.

After a shooting seven years ago at a school in Erfurt in the east of the country, German teachers and police officers were trained to respond to violent episodes. That training was on display minutes after the shooting began Wednesday. And on Thursday, offers of help came in from people who had experienced the aftermath of the Erfurt shooting.

But a consensus was building that even the best plans could not prevent every emergency.

“We did a lot in Germany,” said Christine Alt, director of the school in Erfurt where the shooting took place. “But it seems we will never find a recipe that is 100 percent effective.”

The Internet posting that was being investigated was reported by the father of a youth identified only as Bernd, according to the police. Bernd’s information indicated that someone on the site had written: “I have weapons and will go to my old school and really burn them up. I might get out alive, but you will certainly hear about me tomorrow. Remember the name Winnenden.”

The police appeared confident of the posting’s authenticity early in the day. Later, after the Web site that they named denied that there had been such a posting, the police said they were investigating that new information.

Some German officials said that some people always slipped through the system undetected.

“We need to recognize that there is no such thing as absolute security; that we cannot simply prevent everything,” Volker Kauder, the leader of the conservative bloc in Parliament, told German public radio. Wolfgang Schäuble, the interior minister who is in a wheelchair after being partly paralyzed by a bullet to the spine in an October 1990 assassination attempt, played down the need to tighten already tough gun laws.

But with the computer having played such a role in the young man’s life, the Winnenden shootings seem likely to renew a debate in Germany over banning violent video games.

“These games basically program the minds of young men a thousand times over,” said Alina Wilms, a psychologist involved in treating people affected by the Erfurt shooting, who advocates a ban. “If ever it were going to be possible,” she said, “then now.”

Victor Homola contributed reporting from Berlin.

hunkahunka

13-03-2009, 12:13 PM

http://www.queensjournal.ca/media/stories/v134/i18/rockwood3.jpg
Rockwood Hospital for the Insane (where indigent women were frequently jailed for 'promiscuity' as a treatable condition) [note the large loading dock]

Rockwood Hospital for the Insane, the Kirkbride in Kingston , Ontario, is located right on the shores of the St. Lawrence Seaway, in the Thousand Islands
region, not far from Deer Island, owned by Yale's Skull and Bones organization.

http://www.stlawrencecruiselines.com/images/map_kar.jpg

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mstone/DeerIsland.jpg
Deer Island, Thousand Islands, N. Y.

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/1_West_72nd_Street_(The_Dakota)_by_David_Shankbone .jpg/710px-1_West_72nd_Street_(The_Dakota)_by_David_Shankbone .jpg
The Dakota

-'The Dakota' was built for Edward Clark, co- founder of Singer Sewing Machine Company

-the president of Singer Sewing Machine Company, Frederick G. Bourne, kept an apartment in The Dakota.*

-Frederick G.Bourne acquired 'Dark Island' in the Thousand Islands and thereon built a gothic castle name 'Singer Castle'

http://de.fishki.net/picsw/092007/28/1000/1000_020.jpg
Singer Castle

the castle Frederick G. Bourne eventually built on Dark Island was modeled after the Woodstock castle that had been described in the historical fiction novel 'Woodstock', by Sir Walter Scott' . set during the reign of England's Charles I, complete with dungeons, turrets and secret passageways

Bourne, the fourth president of the Singer Sewing Machine Company, built Singer Castle in Chippewa Bay, which was completed in 1905. He was a sportsman, boxer, hunter and boater, and in fact, Singer Castle was built as a “hunting lodge.” With the development of motorboats following the turn of the century, Bourne became fascinated with high sped racing. He also owned several other boats and in 1905 was named the commodore of the New York Yacht Club, where he was a life member, and his leather-bound annual member books were found in the library of the castle. Other distinguished members in 1905 included Cornelius Vanderbilt, John Jacob Astor, J.P. Morgan, and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Bourne had several other yachts, steamers, and power boats, including the Alberta , a 300' yacht manned by over 100 men, which was purchased in England and was the flagship of the yacht club during most of his term as commodore. Bourne was also a member of the Chippewa Yacht Club, and was president of the exclusive Jekyll Island Club in Georgia from 1914 to 1919, and docked his palatial yacht Marjorie there.

-Dark Island is roughly six miles from Deer Island, in the Thousand Islands, the island owned by the Skull and Bones society .

The Russells with the Tafts formed the Skull and Bones Society and the black flag with the white skull and cross bones was the corporate flag flown on all Russell Trust Company ships. It was also a flag flown on ships in the Knights Templar fleet. Another American connection to the opium trade was the Freemason, John Jacob Astor, the founder of the Astor dynasty who became a stockholder in the British East India Company.8
Philadelphia and Boston, the headquarters of the Northern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, were (and are) other centers for the drug trade. A descendant of Astor, Waldorf Astor of the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York, was a high degree Freemason who became chairman of the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London after the Second World War.9 The RIIA is extensively involved in coordinating the global drug trade (see the book, Dope Inc.)

http://www.photography-plus.com/images/BoldtCastle.jpg
Boldt Castle

also nearby (in the Thousand Islands) is the unfinished Boldt Castle, which was built by the founding proprietor of the Waldorf Astoria Hotel Georg Boldt.(George Boldt, William Waldorf Astor, and John Jacob Astor IV built the hotel together in a partnership, according to Boldt's specifications, with the Astors presumably financing most of the project)

*-Hollywood actress Judy Garland also lived at 'The Dakota' in 1961

hunkahunka

13-03-2009, 02:51 PM

http://www.linternaute.com/actualite/voyager/06/iles-privees-a-vendre/images/dark-island1.jpg
Dark Towers, Dark Island

quote
the castle Frederick G. Bourne eventually built on Dark Island was modeled after the one that had stood in Woodstock Park during the reign of England's Charles I, complete with dungeons, turrets and secret passageways. The Castle which, at that time, was called "The Towers" became the summer home and fall hunting lodge of the Bourne family. It was willed to the LaSalle Military Academy which could not find a suitable use for it and sold it to the Harold Martin Evangelistic Association in 1965.

It was the Singer Company President's summer home/hunting lodge.
- Has a 4 story tower with westminster chimes.
- comes completely decked out with suits of armor, weaponry and torture devices.
"The castle is complete with dungeons, turrets, towers, secret passageways and subterranean labyrinths. Set amid approximately 6 acres of gardens and terraces, the 28-room, 5-story granite castle features: 17 bedrooms which includes staff quarters, a great hall with massive arched stone pillars, spiral stone stairways, a chapel with gothic windows, library, drawing room, loggia, sun room, wine cellar, huge kitchen, upper and lower pantry with dumb waiter, 2 dining rooms and 10 magnificent fireplaces.

Additional amenities include a pergola, caretakers cottage, an indoor squash court, a 5-story tower with Westminister clock and 2 boathouses (110' and 70'). This island offers boating, fishing and hunting. Furnishings also included are antiques, weaponry, chandeliers and paintings, to name a few.

The property was once known as "Dark Towers" as the island is correctly known as "Dark Island". I have a large article on the property from a book known as "America's Castles" dating from the early 1960's. Among the details I recall the property once served as a summer camp for kids in the 1960's.

quote
Jordstat (Singer Castle) and the Thousand Islands are about the only exciting things there. Hammond is located on Route 37, 26 miles south of Ogdensburg

quote
I saw one of my favorite American castles in a movie today. It is newly out on video tape. The castle, of course, is "Jorstadt Castle", at least thats the name on your website. It is probably 2/3 of the way through the movie!!! The name of the movie is "The Skulls".

http://www.obscurehorror.com/skulls.jpg

Lately, the breath taking island was featured in the movie "The Skulls." The castle was the weekend getaway for the exclusive members of the Skull and Bones society. Local people and their antique boats are featured in the movie. When I saw the movie, I couldn't believe how close to home it hit me. My brother has actually worked on the reconstruction of the Island's wall.

Another interesting aspect of the island is that it is on the U.S./Canada border. You see the front of the Castle (in your picture) is the American side. The Canadian side is not quite as lovely or well kept. It houses a run-down boat house and unkept shrubbery. Still all in all the castle is truly a fairytale and it brings many happy memories to me everytime I see it.

Dubbed The Towers, the magnificent structure was designed by architect Ernest Flagg, who used Sir Walter Scotts' Woodstock Castle (1832) in Scotland for inspiration.

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Singer Castle sits on a seven-acre island and has a Great Hall, secret passageways, Italian and pink marble fireplaces, library panels that open to passages to the cellar and to third floor closets, carved stone arches,
Gothic windows, elk and moose heads on the wall, and a large iron chandelier.
The grounds have beautifully landscaped gardens and a pergola.

http://www.cinemaretro.com/uploads/rosemarysbaby.jpg
Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby, discovering the secret passage through the closet (filmed in 'The Dakota')

http://img-www.theonelion.net/images/101104_report01_06.jpg
Children discover secret door to 'Narnia' in closet.

http://www.ronnysweet.com/CoolStuff/oz2_074Gump.jpg
In Return to Oz, Dorothy escapes on a 'gump', which is a moosehead attached to a couch

Upon his death, Bourne left the castle to family who later gave the castle to the LaSalle Military Academy, Long Island. The school having no use for the castle sold it to the Harold Martin Evangelistic Association
in 1965. Harold Martin's family name was Martin-Jorstadt, thus The Towers became Jorstadt Castle

hunkahunka

13-03-2009, 08:52 PM

http://www.thousandislandslife.com/Portals/Properties/images/News-Articles/2008/Nov-photos/WLW-QueenoftheCastleonDarkIsland_F1EA-lady%20in%20the%20castle_thumb.jpg
child sized skeleton (purportedly left over from a 'Halloween event' in the castle's turret dungeon), now resides in one of the Singer Castle's passages near the dungeon

Dark Island was owned by the tax exempt Harold Martin Evangelistic Association until 2001.. (no ticky, no laundry?)

Harold Martin was also director of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.
Fritz Springmeir has written a great deal about Billy Graham:

The Illuminati Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave

CHAPTER 5B: The Skill of Lying, The Art of Deceit (Billy Graham)

By Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula5Bchap.shtml

Billy Graham's Active Role in Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA)

Before we get into the details, we’ll take an overview. Satanists thrive on power. Satan loves to give his followers power. Satan took Christ to the mountaintop and told Christ that he’d have a "crusade" and bring every one to follow Christ, if Christ would just bow down and worship him. Christ refused. Billy Graham accepted it. We know a great deal how the Satanists took Billy Graham, the brush salesman and made him into the famous evangelist that he has become. Additionally, we also know from victims of Satanism, that have come out of it, that Billy Graham has been a Satanist himself. How can this be? And how can we know this?

One of the best witnesses is a Monarch program survivor, who has escaped from being a high-level Pentagon slave. This survivor witnessed Billy Graham working for the Illuminati. This survivor also carried messages for the Satanic hierarchy and personally knows that Billy Graham has been carrying messages from the top secret Illuminati to Presidents and heads of state. This person’s information has been backed up by independent witnesses.

A second ex-Satanist also remembers Billy Graham as a Satanist. Still another person, an ex-Illuminati person, who has MPD stood in front of Billy Graham and watched his eyes. This person said that it was very clear that Billy Graham has MPD and that he switches personalities. By happenchance or God’s will, Fritz received a report from one of the women who went to church with Billy Graham’s wife Ruth. The woman was told by Ruth in conversation that her husband Billy Graham is strange in that he always sleeps with his eyes open. It is characteristic of people who have MPD to sleep with their eyes open. People who have MPD may have a devout Christian personality and a devout Satanic personality all within a single body. This is not uncommon. In Billy Graham’s case, he is fully aware of what he is doing for the enemy in all his personalities, although his Christian personality may not be ecstatic about it all. Billy Graham’s Decision magazine has on its front page caption is "‘Changed From the Inside Out," and displays an infinity loop on the cover .

http://educate-yourself.org/mc/BillyGrahaminfinitymagcover1995.jpg

Many Monarch slaves have had lots of programming around the infinity loop.

This [the infinity symbol] is an important trigger to remind them how they are captured by the unending repeating rebuilding programming. There are countless little things like this, which are evidence that Billy Graham is playing a role in the satanic mind-control of the Illuminati. Dr. Schefflin, a mind-control expert, told me that he saw internal documents from the 1950s teaching Billy Graham’s people on how to have a successful revival. These documents instructed crusade counselors on things which were elements of mind-control, such as delaying people from coming forward to confess Christ until the "right" time. If you’ve ever wondered how much Billy Graham knows--if the Illuminati haven’t told him, a concerned Christian named David Hill, who was an ex-Mafia/ex-New Ager/ex-Mason did. The concerned Christian was a friend of Franklin Graham (Billy’s son) and he had lived for two years at Billy Graham’s house. He didn’t realize that Graham had been sucked into the New World Order until he had confronted Billy Graham. David Hill, who was a ex-Mason turned Christian, who had worked with many of the world’s elite, spent 18 hours in a hotel room warning Billy Graham about the New World Order.

Billy Graham told David Hill at the end of their two days of talking in this eastern U.S. hotel room that he was "a captive of that [NWO] organization." In other words, after placing himself under the Illuminati’s sponsorship in the late ‘40s, Billy Graham has had the choice of continuing to do his job for them, or being destroyed. Since they created who he is, they can destroy him. And he knows it. David Hill went on to try to expose the New World Order and lost (was murdered) his life just as he finished a manuscript exposing it. Even a well-informed Christian like David Hill, who tried to warn Billy Graham about the NWO, was unaware of the extent of the deception of the Illuminati’s mind control. David didn’t know about programmed multiples. David Hill, who was a high ranking Scottish Rite Freemason and an important Mafia figure before he came to Christ, had even been the go between for Billy Graham and Joe Banana, a Mafia kingpin. It was David Hill, who innocently believing in Billy Graham, arranged the meeting for the two men.

David Hill knew that William Randolph Hearst was part of the Illuminati, He was part of the branch Illuminati -- at what could be termed the 6th degree. William Randolph Hearst was totally into paganism. That is very obvious by a tour of his mansion in California which has been turned into a museum. It was William Randolph Hearst who financed the first three years of Billy Graham’s Crusades. Stu PAK is associated with the Stewart Title Company. Stu Pak provides funds for Billy Graham and others. The head of Stu Pak is friends with Billy Graham and George Bush. The company has a lot of relatives running it. The Morris family is also tied to it. The people of Stewart Title Company are ruthless. The Van Duyn Illuminati family in California also helped Billy Graham’s ministry get started.

One of the ways the Illuminati funnelled money to Billy Graham was through a monthly check delivered to Jeanne Dixon’s office, which was picked up every month by Billy Graham’s staff. After Dixon’s secretary came to Christ she tried to expose Billy Graham’s connection to Jeanne Dixon. Jeanne Dixon sells crystal balls with snakes. She is part of the Illuminati. Billy Graham wrote her a letter calling her "a woman of God." Dixon’s secretary had a copy of this letter with Billy Graham’s signature on it, after she became a Christian. In 1952, in Paris, Billy Graham and another evangelist had dinner with two prostitutes and each one took one of them home. Billy Graham had a wife and children at home, so the whole affair was totally improper for an evangelist even if Billy Graham didn’t have sex with the woman. He told his friend only that the prostitute had taken off her clothes and he’d gotten scared and come back to their hotel room. See Frady, Marshall. Billy Graham, A Parable of American Righteousness. Boston: Little, Brown & Co., p.169-170. In 1954, the man who ran security for the Sacramento Crusade saw a high-priced hooker sneak into Billy Graham’s room prior to him going out for the Crusade. Billy Graham and this high priced hooker were alone together in the room.

It is this type of thing that has opened Billy Graham up to blackmail. Should Graham ever try to stray from the proper course set for him by the Illuminati, they have plenty of ammunition to blackmail him. (You may ask why would the Satanists from generational satanic families want to intimidate Billy Graham with fear? Why, isn’t he from a generational satanic family? The answer is that the whole Satanic system operates off of fear.

Intimidation & fear are standard everyday parts of their makeup and actions. Sort of the counterpart to the saying there is no honor among thieves. The Satanic hierarchy are in constant intimidation and power struggles.) When Billy Graham wanted to, he could call up Henry Kissinger and say, "Tell him to call me the minute he comes in." (Frady, p. 451) Henry Kissinger is right in the middle of what the Illuminati is doing. Another Illuminatus that Graham had a working relationship with is Henry Luce, friend of the Baruchs. Luce and Billy Graham spent several nights staying up talking late into the night. Knowing how the Illuminati work, it is very safe to assume that they have pushed Billy Graham into further degenerate acts. They have probably done everything they can to pervert Billy Graham, so there is no telling what sexual sins remain hidden. Kissinger is a member of P2 Freemasonry.

If we were to assume that Billy Graham were not involved (and that is a big IF since we know that he is), then if one studies P2 Masonic recruiting tactics given in the book In God’s Name, p. 116, then the reader will grasp that anyone of Billy Graham’s stature who associates so freely with P2 Freemasons will be targeted and blackmailed and forced to join. Once they join, new members are forced to compromise other possible targets. Billy Graham is part of the people who implement the Monarch program (which was a joint Illuminati/CIA total mind control program done to people). We know that he is serviced by Monarch sexual slaves (their kitten alters). It is very easy for the network to keep these poor victims (Monarch slaves) from talking, and so the full extent of much of what has gone on may not come out in our lifetimes. Another possible clue about Billy Graham’s hidden life comes from Billy Graham himself. Do the readers remember how Jimmy Swaggert would disguise himself with sun glasses, etc. and his staff helped him carry out what he in part confessed? In Hollywood, FL (yes, FL!) Billy Graham said that he "often attends love-ins and rock festivals incognito by putting on a false mustache and beard." He also said he found the experience in doing that kind of thing "refreshing." This story was in the Chicago Daily News, Dec. 29, 1969.

The article’s purpose appears to have been to make Billy Graham look hip to today’s rock and roll crowds of teenagers. Billy Graham described his friendship with Alan Dulles,

" I make every effort not to let it appear that I favor one party over another. I count Secretary Dulles a friend, but Senator Humphrey is also a good friend of mine, [who he met] ... when we were both swimming nude at the YMCA pool in Minneapolis where he was running for mayor."

A friendship with Alan Dulles? Alan Dulles, director of the CIA, was one of the biggest perpetrators of the trauma-based mind-control that this book is about. Humphrey also received orders from the Satanic hierarchy. And what is this swimming in nude? When Billy Graham had his 1954 Crusade, large sums of the money came directly from people in the Illuminati, the Whitneys, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers, and Chase Manhattan. Billy Graham has numerous times attended Hollywood cocktail parties. Just two examples of which are: one given by Debbie Reynolds, and another one which was a cocktail party for Hollywood stars put on by Nixon at his San Clemente, CA home on a Sunday evening. Billy Graham’s schedule is filled with activities such as playing golf with people who are in the Illuminati, or are Hollywood types.

The full impact of this constant fellowshipping with darkness is hard for people to grasp, because they picture that Graham is an evangelist and so therefore he must go where the sinners are. There is an expression, show me a man’ s friends and I’ll tell you about him. It’s one thing to spend time with evil to give it a chance to repent and come to the light, It is another to fellowship with evil and allow it to remain in darkness. Let us quote from a neutral source, a group who had been investigating the role of church and state. They were trying to determine for their study whether Billy Graham has had an impact on all the Presidents from Eisenhower to Clinton, This study was not pro or anti Graham, It was simply trying to determine what impact this religious leader is having on political leaders. Billy Graham has spent a lot of time with all the Presidents, so their question was "has Billy Graham had some type of impact?" Their conclusion printed in the Journal of Church and State concludes, .. . .could Graham speak the word of truth - especially when that word may be critical or slashing -to the man in the White House when he is on such friendly terms with him? On the basis of the evidence now available, the answer must be no." What a person does on his free time is said to be revealing.

Christ did spend his time with sinners, but he called them to repentance. In all my study of Billy Graham, I haven’t seen any of the Hollywood movie stars or politicians change their lifestyles by their association with Billy Graham. A number of "conversions" have been artificially created, and given widespread publicity by the press. Pat Boone is the type of close friend of Billy Graham that perhaps typifies Billy Graham. He is someone well-received by the public. Billy Graham has enjoyed using him in Crusades. Pat Boone continued playing in Playboy type night clubs while he was singing at Billy Graham Crusades. Pat Boone who is pro-jewish, may be jewish, because the State of Israel has given him some special positions. There is nothing wrong with having "jewish blood", it just explains some of his connections. The Nugen Hand Bank was a CIA operation that laundered money, and did many illegal activities.

Pat Boone was part of the Nugen Hand Bank scandal. Exactly how deep he was involved with the CIA’s dirty dealing is unclear. Pat Boone’s daughter Debbie Boone made a hit out of the song "You Light Up My Life", the words of the song were written by a woman who worshipped Lucifer and wrote the song to Lucifer. Billy Graham has placed the emphasis in his Crusades on putting liberals, even Catholic priests, up on the platform with himself. When does Billy Graham ever spend time with solid devout Christians? Every time Billy Graham went to Moscow he tried to avoid the devout Christians of the unregistered churches who unwittingly tried unsuccessfully to meet with Graham. Instead, he would meet with the heads of the Orthodox Church, which, since all the changes in Russia, are now proven to have been KGB agents--although most of us had suspected that all along from the type of things they said and did. How naive can Christians get? Do they really think that the Illuminati is going to let a legitimately powerful anointed Christian evangelist have regular access to their people? Don’t Christians realize that if he was a real threat--someone who might really bring one of the top elite to Christ that they would be assassinating him, not wining and dining him.

--"BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS, WHICH COME TO YOU IN SHEEP CLOThING, BUT INWARDLY THEY ARE RAVENING WOLVES." Mt. 7:15 --"BEHOLD, I AM SENDING YOU FORTH AS LAMBS AMONG WOLVES." Lk. 10:3

The Apostle Paul warned Christian leaders, "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock." Acts 20:28-29 Bill Clinton, some senators, and Billy Graham’s son, Ned E. Graham, invited the leaders of the Chinese house churches to a prayer breakfast in Washington D.C. Three delegates from the Three Self Patriotic Movement (TSPM) and 3 others from house churches were invited, Lin Xian-Gao, Li Tian-En, and Yuan Xiang-Chen. Rev. Ned Graham visited these Chinese in person to extend the U.S. government’s invitation.

Graham told the chinese Christians that the government would pick up the entire tab for the breakfast. In return the U.S. government wanted the Christians to promise not to speak to the American press or to any Americans comments that might hurt the image of the Red Chinese government. The Chinese government had promised the American government that they would guarantee safe entry and departure for these house church Christian leaders. Then after the meeting, they were invited to Billy Graham’s house. The Chinese Christians declined the invitation by Graham. Chinese pastor Lin said,

"If I went to the United States, I would tell the truth, not lies. To tell the truth would definitely be considered an act of damaging the image of the Chinese government which would create a pretext for the government to refuse my re-entry into China. But my commission from God is to serve Him faithfully in China only. Therefore, I choose to remain in China rather than to go abroad."

Ned Graham (Billy’s son) tried to talk the Chinese into coming, I know that you surely do love your enemies, why then can you not compromise..." The pastor answered, "Yes, we can forgive our enemies for persecuting or opposing us in their ignorance, but we can never love the false prophets or their heresy."’ Ned also said, "It is a glorious and dignified thing to be invited by President Clinton. Many people seek it, but cannot obtain it. Fortunately, the chinese did not buy it. (This info and quote comes from China The Untold Story by The Voice of the Martyrs, Inc., 1995. pp. 25-31)

BUILDING AN IMAGE
There is another area of Billy Graham that we will only touch on. In one of Fritz’s ‘92 newsletter, Billy Graham is quoted stating that he thought UFOs were angels of God. On either Jan. 28 or 29th (See Smyma, Feb. ‘93, p.3), Billy Graham was interviewed on television by David Frost. Billy Graham said he believed people in heaven are sent by God to other worlds to help them in redemption of life, This is edging somewhat close to what the Mormons believe, that "Christians" (that is Mormons) will each receive their own planet to be god of. In another show, Graham said he wanted to evangelize other planets. Fritz has repeatedly tried to warn Christians of the many demonic dangers associated with the entire UFO phenomena, and the Satanic Hierarchy’s connection to UFOs. Billy Graham’s idea that UFOs are good angels is a dangerous idea. Billy Graham was given the contrived artificial image of being a great anti-Satanist.

At the Chicago Crusade, 200 Satanists stood up in the crowds. Mayor Daily of Chicago then said from the stand, Billy we have 200 Satanists that want to disrupt your meeting shall I arrest them? What shall I do? And Billy said, "No let’s sing a song". The crowd sang a song and the Satanists left the stadium on their own. The whole affair was clearly staged and hokey, but Christians are very naive about Satanism and Billy Graham. This further confirmed to them that Billy Graham was a great anointed man of God.

First, hard core Satanists don’t show their faces in public. Second, the Mayor of Chicago is not against the Satanists, he works with them, and there are reasons to suspect he is one. Third, Satanists, who do show themselves in public like Anton LaVey, want good publicity and would not carry out something like pretending to want to disrupt a Billy Graham crusade. Fourth, if a real threat had existed, Mayor Daily and the police wouldn’t be asking Billy Graham what to do, they would be taking care of the problem. The police don’t need to ask for permission to take care of troublemakers at the Crusade. Christians accepted this episode at its face value. Those who did clearly show the common church goer’s poor understanding of those who seek to control and destroy the church.

How Billy Graham plays a key role in reprogramming Monarch slaves
Two different talkative Satanists told sources of mine about 2 different coven meetings here in Portland in the Summer of 1993 where the covens discussed the benefits that the satanists were going to get from the Billy Graham Crusade. I know one of the benefits for the satanists was that Monarch programees who had become Christians and had deactivated the effect of their mind-control programming were to be reprogrammed with Billy Graham’ s help. When Billy Graham arrived in town, someone on his Crusade staff had managed to find and send out invitations to many of the survivors of Satanic ritual abuse (SRA) in Portland to come to a special meeting to personally meet with Billy Graham. At this special meeting with SRA victims, Billy Graham personally began saying the buzz words to reactivate these people’s programming, especially the Monarch survivors. (This comes from several witnesses.) For a number of years now, the Billy Graham Crusade has been putting messages across the bottom of television screens that has activation codes for Monarch survivors.

Those Monarch survivors who have become devote Christians to escape the nightmare of the Monarch mind-control are often not aware of the danger of watching the Billy Graham Crusade on television. When people are activated, special people are in the area and they take the Monarch survivors to what are called Near Death Trauma Centers. These centers are used then to reprogram these poor people. There were five in this area, of which we located 2 and forced them to move their sites. Religious fronts (denominations, individual churches and certain ministers) are used to hide criminal activity. Billy Graham, who is a programmed multiple himself, is exceptionally adept at managing his Monarch kittens. The drug money laundered through his crusades is carefully handled by many Monarch slaves working in shifts and teams, so that the whole scheme can not be uncovered by catching one person.

Billy Graham runs big operations all over the world under the disguise of evangelism. Another of the countless religious covers, that works with the Network’s/Illuminati’s drug activities involves the Mormon Bishop warehouses, which are used to store cocaine. Monarch slaves are involved with this. Different religious labels hide the same criminal Network. By the way, when giving the Patriarchal Blessing, the Mormon Patriarch if he has a Monarch slave will use hypnosis and triggers to convince the person what their future will be like. One can’t say this is happening in every case, but it is very widespread for the Patriarch who give these blessings to be part of the Trauma-based mind-control operations. Billy Graham also personally delivers messages to the Presidents for the Illuminati, such as when he arrived just prior to Bush’s decision to launch Desert Storm. Sometimes the papers even spell out that Billy Graham serves as a message boy, for instance, when he delivered a message in April, 92 from the Pope to North Korea’s dictator Kim.

REFERENCES
The following three books were very helpful to me in terms of documenting Billy Graham’s activities, All three authors were interested in documenting what Billy Graham is really all about. It may sound strange that I say that, but sadly most of the books that touch on Billy Graham like America’s Hour of Decision Including a Life Story of Billy Graham are simply part of the deception process of the enemy. However, if anyone wants to know more about Billy Graham the following three books were very helpful for me to document Billy Graham’s activities.

Billy Graham, A Parable of American Righteousness by Marshall Frady.

Marshall Frady was a writer for Life and Newsweek. He has done an incredible amount of research into Billy Graham’s life. He doesn’t touch on the sinister side of Billy Graham, but by giving an honest report about Billy Graham he tears off the "Hollywood-type mask" so to speak that everyone has seen and believed. Marshall Frady simply wanted to tell the whole story of Billy Graham, good, bad or otherwise. He spent many hours interviewing Billy Graham and many other people involved in Billy Graham’s life. When this book was read by a devout Christian, it totally devastated this person’s media-built image of Billy Graham-- for instance, items like Billy Graham going to dinner with a prostitute and taking her home, Billy Graham walking past his wife and not recognizing her, & Billy Graham’s New York Crusade refusing to allow street people into the crusade because they were dirty. However, another Christian borrowed my copy of it, and said after looking at the book he didn’t see anything wrong with Billy Graham in the book. But then he just read portions of the book. Still, unless one has spiritual discernment the book is probably not going to "blast a person out of the water," because it is a biography not an exposé.

Until recently, this was the only really good biography that was available for Christians. Many months before the Billy Graham 1993 Portland Crusade, the advertisements for the crusade and the crusade activity here in Portland began. Pilgrim Discount, which is one of the best Christian bookstores in the Portland area sells both used and new Christian books. They had a used copy of Billy Graham a Parable of American Righteousness. I watched for months to see if any Christians would buy the book. Tens of thousands of Christians got involved in the Billy Graham Crusade in the Portland area, but none had the interest to read the only biography of Billy Graham available. Finally, just shortly before the Crusade, a teenage Christian from Washington who had been warned about Billy Graham and who was trying to keep from being forced to attend, bought the book on a trip from Washington. This incident shows what Americans know--and what they want to know about Billy Graham is shallow media-hype. A Christian radio show here had the author of Billy Graham A Prophet with Honor on to promote his book, which was done just when the Crusade was days away.

A Startling Exposure- Billy Graham and the Church of Rome by Ian R. K. Paisley.

This is perhaps the best book as far as actual documentation. The book is probably rare, and not available. Ian R.K. Paisley has made it one of his projects of his life to expose Catholicism. Because Billy Graham works more with Catholics than Protestants Paisley as a concerned Christian obviously found himself learning about Billy Graham. Ian R.K. Paisley knows first hand how powerful Billy Graham and his establishment backers are. They have a colossal publication strength to discredit any critic of Billy Graham in whatever manner it takes -- even if it means outright lies and slander.

Billy Graham Reformer? Politician? Preacher? Prophet? A Chronological Record Compiled from Public Sources By the Church League of America 1951-1982

This book is from Edgar Bundy Ministries, It is a collection of articles that have appeared in the public media on Billy Graham over a period of 31 years. Billy Graham is condemned by his own words and his own actions. If people only took a look at what Billy Graham is on public record saying it would startle them. Who is Billy Graham working for? Is he trying to build the Christian churches up, or is he trying to lay the foundation for a one-world religion? While some people may on first thought think that it is a great idea to have every one belong to the same religious structure, they need to reflect on the dangers inherent in one single religious body with all-encompassing power. The groundwork for such a dictatorial global religious body is already partially constructed, and is revealed in other writings of Fritz Springmeier. How many people know that in 1955 and 1956 Billy Graham announced that he had a policy of sending people who come forward at his crusades to the church of their choice whether that church or synagogue is Catholic, Protestant or Jewish.

For instance, the Protestant Church Life quotes Billy Graham in its 29 Sept 1956 issue, "Referring to the Billy Graham New York Crusade scheduled for May, 1957, Dr. Graham said: ‘We’re coming to New York not to clean it up, but to get people to dedicate themselves to God and to send them on to their own churches--Catholic, Protestant or Jewish." There is one other book worth pointing out at this point, It was not a source book for my investigation, but I know the author, and the book came out recently, so it is likely still available. The book is The Assimilation of Evangelist Billy Graham into the Roman Catholic Church by Erwin Wilson. The address is Quebec Baptist Missions, Box 113, Compton, Quebec, Canada, JOB iLO.

It’s s nice that men like Erwin Wilson are noticing Billy Graham’s love affair with the Catholic Church. He picked up on Billy Graham’s statement about the Pope, "Pope John Paul II has emerged as the greatest religious leader of the modern world and one of the greatest moral...leaders of this century." (The Saturday Evening Post, Feb, 1980.) However, several of these anti-Catholic ministries are rejecting the bigger picture. They have strongly resisted learning about mind-control and the exposure of the conspiracy in Be Wise As Serpents by Fritz Springmeier. Because of this, several of these Christian ministries to Catholics have lots of information about Billy Graham and his close workings with the Catholic Church, but little comprehension of how the Catholic Church fits into the bigger picture, and how the New World Order is actually coming about.

There has been widespread concern about Billy Graham among Christians. Because the controlled media don’t report these concerns, people are not realizing the extent of the concerns which have been voiced. Even before the co-authors got involved in exposing the Illuminati and their control over religion and their plans for a New World Order, there has been a long history of concern by devout Christians over Billy Graham. There has been a growing dissatisfaction among conservative Christians towards Billy Graham. The introduction to Erwin Wilson’s book which is written by Dr. Bob Jones (Chancellor of Bob Jones University) provides an introduction to the concerns Christians have about the man who has been set up by the media and the money elite to be their greatest leader. We quote only a paragraph of what Dr. Bob Jones said, "Some of us who grieved over Graham’s first downward steps toward compromise with apostasy and biblical unbelief knew that he was pursuing a direction from which there would be no turning back. While we grieved over him and prayed for him, we had to warn men against his ministry as we had warned Billy against his direction."

The first area is doctrinal concerns by devout Christians, who have been deceived that Billy Graham thinks as they do. Christians usually take for granted that Billy Graham is sound doctrinally. The following paragraph of beliefs of Billy Graham were documented in 1993 by Fritz Springmeier in his June ‘1993 newsletter, with its large document packet. Main line Christians would be shocked to find out what Billy Graham really believes and is on public record as supporting. This will help show non-Christians, who read this, that Billy Graham is not really the Christian he pretends to be. This is not to preach at non-Christian readers, for some of the non-Christian readers will agree with Billy Graham’s stands. These views are written to show how a major Christian leader can have a false public image that has survived mainly because the full public record of Billy Graham’s stands are keep low key.

If we are big enough to look at the deceptions of our politicians and statemen, we must be big enough to face the deceptions of our ministers. Some of the areas that Billy Graham deviates from Scripture are as follows. He is on public record supporting homosexuality, abortion, his disbelief in a literal hell, his support and practice of infant baptism to save children, his support for the Catholic church’s worship of Mary (yet he calls himself a Protestant). He has repeatedly praised infidels and apostates as great Christians. He actively supported the American government policy to fight the Vietnam War. He would not challenge the idea that the Bible is mythology, when directly questioned. The deception doesn’t stop with the Protestants, Catholic supporters have been kept in the dark about his abortion views. The deception goes way beyond Protestant, Catholic beliefs. As a programmed multiple who participates in Satanic Ritual, Billy Graham has deceived everyone. The second area is concerns about his support for a One-World Church and a One-World-Government. This stems from:

1. Billy Graham ’s public endorsements of the World Council of Churches and the National Council of Churches.

2. Billy Graham’s consistent attendance at the World Council of Churches’ meetings.

3. Billy Graham has done more than anyone in the world to bring about the One-World-Harlot church, and he has done more than anyone to unite all the Christian groups into one organization.

4. Billy Graham’s support of the Pope and the Catholic church which is the largest Christian religion and one of the pillars of the New Age One-World religious body being set up.

5. The support that the NCC and WCC gives him.

6. The support that the internationalists and globalists give Billy Graham. Billy Graham was first asked to do his Portland Crusade in 1993 by the WCC/NCC representative in this area who is a homosexual, a new ager, and leader of the ecumenical movement.

A third area is concern over the lack of depth that conversions at Billy Graham’s crusades have, Some of the details on this are:

l. Only 2% of the people coming forward at a Crusade have never been Christians and are actually giving their life to Christ for the first time, and of these 80% fall away.

2. A great majority of people that come forward are sent to Catholic and extremely liberal Churches, extremely few are sent to solid Bible believing churches., In the Catholic Standard and Times, Thursday, July 16, 1992, p. 10, this Catholic paper reported that 1,900 Catholics responded to Billy Graham’s call to make decisions for Christ in the Philadelphia Crusade and were referred to about 250 parishes.

3. People that come forward are sent even to Jewish synagogues and New Age churches.

4. Converts are given the impression that Christ wants decisions for him, rather than that Christ wants disciples.

5. The people attending the crusades are almost all Christians, due to the high numbers of Christian counselors and the high number of church people which are always intentionally bussed in, (Frady exposes this, and in 1992 a writer of the Williamette Week did a major story for the magazine detailing how she had searched the entire week at the Billy Graham Crusade for an unsaved person and failed to find a single non-Christian. There were a few, but so few she didn’t find any. William ette Week, Oct. 1,1992).

6. Most decisions at the crusades are for trivial things such as to stop smoking.

Interestingly, Christians with discernment spoke about how hurting the churches were after the Billy Graham Crusade here in Portland. They had been made wild promises of success, they were fleeced of their money, and then given a lukewarm spiritual boost. Their comments reminded me of this warning to Billy Graham clear back in the 1950s as to how he was ruining the harvest field. Part of Satan’s Planetary control is through religious leaders. Christians have been conditioned to believe that Billy Graham is a great prophet of God by the establishment media, who have told us for years that Billy Graham was the most respected man in America, The percentages that the controlled Media have reported for Billy Graham’s popularity may have been inflated. There are several studies that show how the establishment uses polls dishonestly to manipulate thinking.

The establishment media is able to create ideas so firmly within the mind of the public that it becomes almost impossible to deprogram people. What people see on T.V. becomes what you believe, The T.V. image becomes real. What actually happens at a crusade is far different from the media image. In Scotland for instance, a poll was taken of church membership one month before the Billy Graham Scotland Crusade, and two months after the Crusade. Church membership had actually declined substantially. So after spending millions of the Christians’ dollars, Billy Graham had not even helped the church attendance of the Scottish churches. When Billy Graham holds his crusades, the churches in the area sponsor the crusade. In Poland, in a nation 95% catholic, the churches that sponsored his crusade in Warsaw were Catholic churches and when people went forward they were sent to Catholic churches. Yet, when the mass media report on Crusades, it is made to sound like thousands of people became new Christians.

Many of the devout Christians that have supported Billy Graham haven’t thought through what is really going on at the crusades. They have been so caught up with the media image that they are not able to critically comprehend that the crusades are really major spiritual disasters. The book for counselors at the Billy Graham Crusade here in Portland specifically stated that only Billy Graham was allowed to proselytize, that the crusade counselors were forbidden to proselytize anyone at any time during the crusade, or else they would lose their Crusade badge as a counselor. (See these instructions in The Billy Graham Christian Life & Witness Course, Minneapolis, MN: Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, p. 47, Instructions A.6.) But thousands of the Christians in Portland who became counselors for the ‘92 Crusade never gave it a second thought that only Billy Graham was allowed to proselytize, because they trusted Billy Graham.

Money that could have gone to helping victims of mind-control went toward superficial decisions for Christ. Money that could have gone to doing some serious damage to the evil, has gone for Madison avenue hype and for big shows, On top of this, the large sums that are spent on the Billy Graham Crusades serve as a cover for the Networks money laundering that they do through Graham’s Crusade using a series of Monarch slaves in a complex series of money drop offs. A fourth area is concern over his methodology. A body language expert says that Billy Graham’s talks are simply canned. They are simply well-rehearsed canned-body movements and not coming from the heart. His crusade uses Madison-Avenue sales techniques instead of traditional scriptural methods to get converts. Billy Graham crusades always spend great sums of money for bill boards promoting Billy Graham and bumper stickers promoting Billy Graham, the end result is that Billy Graham’s name is usually promoted millions of times more often than Jesus Christ.

Christianity is consistently watered down and identified with the world and its ways. And a great deal of boasting is done about numbers of decisions instead of real meaningful discipleship. A fifth area is concern over Billy Graham acceptance of Communism. Although many people feel communism is dead, this area is still relevant. If you think communism is dead go live in North Korea, where Billy Graham went in 1992 full of praise for North Korea. See Christianity Today, May 18, 1992, p.55. (By the way, Billy Graham & family have sat on the board of Christianity Today, and still control it, so it wouldn’t misquote him.) l. Billy Graham has repeatedly over international mass media claimed that there was no religious persecution under the communists, 2. Billy Graham has praised Mao-Tse-Tung’s principles, 3. Graham has praised communist leaders on numerous occasions, 4. Dyed-in-the-wool communists who have been the ones giving orders to torture

Christians for some reason feel comfortable spending time talking to Billy Graham. The actual heritage and name of Billy Graham There is a connection between Marxism and a group of Satanists called Frankists. One of the strongest satanic cults to take control over the Jewish population was called Sabbatianism. Jakob Frank assumed the role of leader of this group, and afterward this brand of satanism was called Frankism. (Freud’s sexually-obsessed theories came from Frankism.) Frank taught his followers to convert to another religion and hide behind that religion to practice their satanism. (One of several book on the subject of Frankism is The Contemporary Faces of Satan by Ratibor-Ray M. Jurjevich.) Billy Graham’s family when they originally came over to this nation were of the Frank family which is related to Jakob Frank. After coming over to this nation, they changed their name to Graham which is a Scottish name.

Two groups of people who are over represented in the power structure over the last 200 years are Scots and cabalistic satanic "jews." Obviously, not all Scotsmen nor jews are involved in the NWO. Several other researchers independently discovered that Billy Graham’s heritage was the jewish Frank family. However, Fritz was beginning to suspect that there must be some kind of jewish blood in Billy Graham’s heritage, because of the all the things he would stumble upon. For instance, the intimate connections Graham had with Jewish leaders and Jewish Christian ministries. And his assurances to them that they are God’s chosen people, a special group. Graham privately told them, that because they are a special chosen group they don’t need to come to Christ. (Fritz discovered all this by accident reading Jewish literature.) Further, the paper called "The C-9 Report For internal use only" states on page 11 that Billy Graham’s daughters have lived in Israel, and that Billy Graham’s son fought with the Israeli army in the Six-Day War.

In the Be Wise As Serpents book, chapter 2.1, "The Jewish author Gerald S. Strober in his book American Jews Community in Crisis, p. 110 states that after a resolution in Feb. 1973 at Pittsburgh by the NCC failed to declare the NCC against converting the Jews, that Billy Graham announced the following day a statement that God had a special place for the Jews and rejected ,,coercive evangelistic efforts." Privately, Graham has assured Jewish leaders he is against converting the Jews to Christianity. Strober also informs his readers (p. 111) that many Christian organizations that are "Jewish Missions" take their marching orders from Billy Graham, This confirms numerous reports..." So Strober in effect is saying don’t worry Graham is with us, and he controls most of the Christian organizations that are supposedly missions to evangelize us. Messianic Jewish groups are strongly pro-Billy Graham, Some of these groups have gained in size and then strangely gone back into Judaism.

That kind of thing has been happening here in Portland, not to mention other localities. Now it is clearer why Jews coming forward at Crusades have often been and are being referred by the Crusade people to Reformed Jewish synagogues. How Billy Graham is a 33° Mason. This is an important issue, however, even if Billy Graham were not a 33° Mason, there are many things that he is doing that should warn Christians not to support him. There have been a number of people in casual conversation who have mentioned Billy Graham being a 33° Mason, for instance a CIA leader, a NSA person who is against the NWO, and various Masons. These accidental revelations are what can be considered casual evidence, in that it is accidently heard. Some of the people who have read Fritz’s Be Wise As Serpents book have been experiencing validation of what was written on Billy Graham by their own casual contacts with people. These types of encounters are very meaningful to the people who experience them, but their significance is hard to communicate to others.

Hopefully, readers of this, who are truth seekers, will have their own casual-evidence-validation experience. One piece of casual evidence came from a Shriner Clown. It turns out the only clowns who were chosen to perform for the Billy Graham 1993 Portland Crusade were Shriner Clowns. There were non-masonic clowns available, even some Christian clowns, but the masons were the only ones Graham allowed to perform for him. Various people, who have worked in the system for the Illuminati, such as an ex-witch who is now a Christian, an ex-33° Mason now a Christian, and a CFR’s person also now a Christian, all testify that Billy Graham is a 33* Freemason. A woman and a man who are ex-satanists and now Christians also have mentioned about Billy Graham’s masonic membership. (One has to understand that there is a close working relationship between the Lodge and the Illuminati.) To progress up the ranks in Satanism, they will require you to go through Freemasonry. Freemasonry then teaches people about the symbology of the mystery religions. The lodges bring in female Monarch slaves for some of their Egyptian sexual-magic rituals.

If the reader were to get up in the morning and your mother, sister, and brother were in the kitchen and said that your mother had just drank a cup of coffee, you would be able to tell from their faces if they were telling the truth, and you would know that your mother had drank a cup of coffee. This is the way it is for us. We know these witnesses know the truth, and we know they are not making it up. But if people don’t believe that, then they need to go scrounge up their own witnesses, and risk their own hide in doing the contacting. The material we presented here is not frivolous work. As pearls of value, we hope that this research is not taken and allowed to become pearls given to swine. Because Billy Graham is such a key person for the Illuminati and the Satanic plan to bring in the Anti-Christ and the One-World-Religion, key parts of Graham’s life have been intentionally shrouded,

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When he joined the masonic lodge c. 1948, they intentionally kept his membership more secret than others. Why? They are secret about their membership in general, but even more so if the person is a key Illuminatus and a big key to their religious control, This is why they have kept the membership of Charles T. Russell, founder of the Watchtower Society quiet. This is why they keep the memberships of the Mormon prophets secret, It has been a consistent pattern by the Masonic Lodge to keep these key people’s membership very quiet. It would be much easier if we had a membership certificate, but for people who don’t want to believe no amount of evidence would suffice. In terms of a paper trail we have the following:

· Billy Graham’s books consistently refer to basically only Masons.

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Jacques De Molay- Grand Master of the Knights Templar

· Billy Graham endorsed the Masonic DeMolay program for youth as God’s work. This endorsement by Billy Graham is in a Masonic book that is used to educate people about "the craft" (that means Freemasonry). That book is The Clergy and the Craft and it says that the people who are quoted in it are Masons. (See Haggard, Forrest D. Transactions Missouri Lodge of Research, Vol. No. 27, The Clergy and the Craft, p. 127. where Graham endorses the Masonic youth program. In terms of witnesses who have put what they have witnessed in writing we have the following:

· Jim Shaw, ex-33° Mason -- the highest ranking Freemason to defect to Christianity, writes about Billy Graham being at his 33° initiation ceremony. Huntington House refused to print his book co-authored with Tom McKenney unless they took out Billy Graham’s name on pg. 104, and substituted a general description. (See The Deadly Deception, p. 104-105.) Only Freemasons are allowed to attend these initiations. (See The New Age, the official organ of The Supreme Council 33°. Wash., D.C., October 1961, p. 30.) Some Christians have tried every thing in their mind to get around Jim Shaw’s testimony. And the Masonic Lodge are now claiming that he wasn’t a 33° Freemason. There is no doubt that he was a 33° Mason.

What we are seeing is how important it is to the Illuminati to keep Billy Graham’s membership secret. Originally, Dr. Morey who wrote a book on Freemasonry told me over the phone that Billy Graham was a 33° Freemason and that he had held his membership file in his hand in the library of the House of the Temple, which is where the Supreme Council of the 33° has their headquarters. However, now he denies it and says that he only was told by the librarians that the file existed, but that he didn’t examine the membership file. He wrote a letter to Christian News to the editor which was printed. At least, his letter to the editor of Christian News says that the Scottish Rite have a Billy Graham file. Fritz stands by his original statements about what Dr. Morey said, even though he has gone back on his original story and is getting people to think Fritz somehow invented what he told me.

There are a great many things that are suspicious about Dr. Morey. His book on Freemasonry claims that Freemasonry started out a Christian organization. His book was printed by a company that uses the Knights Templar logo as their company logo, and whose company head is most likely a Freemason. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck--what do you think it is? Long before I actually knew Billy Graham was a 33° Freemason, I felt that was the "most likely" explanation for what I was learning of him. What caused me to think that way? Everything about the man, just shouted Freemason. The way he talks, who he has as friends, etc. etc. This article is not capable of going into depth about small nuances and details, but suffice it to say that the Masons know how to broadcast to other Masons that they are a Mason. It should be pointed out some of the key people for Billy Graham’s staff have been Freemasons. Let’s look at a few of the key people helping Billy Graham:

William M. Watson -- DIRECTOR OF THE BILLY GRAHAM EVANGELISTIC ASSOCIATION, he is a Freemason, and he is also President of Occidental Petroleum Corporation. Chairman of Occidental was Armand Hammer. Watson is also a member of the development council of the Masonic run Baylor University. Baylor University has participated in the mind-control, (See also the expose of Baylor University in Be Wise As Serpents.) He also was a member of the advisory council to the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Ft. Worth which had at least three Freemasons on its board of trustees, and likely more.

David M. McConnell -- DIRECTOR OF THE BILLY GRAHAM EVANGELISTIC ASSOCIATION, he is a Freemason, He was also U.S. ambassador to the United Nations (1968-69), business associate with Illuminatus

Charles Gambrell, in Belk Stores of Charlotte, North Carolina.

Arthur Lee Malory -- CO-CHAIRMAN of the BILLY GRAHAM CRUSADE Advisory Committee for the 1973 St. Louis Crusade -- 32° Freemason, deacon in the So. Bapt. Church.

Who are some of the primary ministers that had worked with 33° Freemason Billy Graham over the years?

Billy Graham has helped set up other 33° Masons in ministry. Billy Graham has placed his stamp of approval on almost every well-known apostate Christian out there. When Billy Graham had a crusade in Japan, the Japanese minister that he had up on the platform was a well-known extremely liberal Christian. A conservative Japanese people was shocked. Billy Graham is also endorsing many of the books, and ministries of these apostates.

Some of the three biggest ministers in the protestant world, Robert Schuller, Norman Vincent Peale, and Oral Roberts are all 33° Masonic brothers of 33° Freemason Billy Graham.

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(See Roberts, Oral. Miracle of Seed Faith, p.9.)

Billy Graham has helped each of these brothers with their ministries. Robert Schuller taught principles of church growth to Unity School in Kansas City. A Christian, who used to be on staff there, said that Robert Schuller was fully aware that Luciferian Initiations were going on at the school and that he didn’t care. Robert Schuller, 33° Freemason, was helped into ministry by Billy Graham. Schuller also participates in the Monarch program and is also sexually serviced by Monarch slaves. Norman Vincent Peale’s form of Christianity called positive thinking is actually only white witchcraft with different names.

Peale simply is a "Christian" witch. Norman Vincent Peale, 33° Freemason, his church receive the bulk of people who came forward at the NY Crusade. Norman Vincent Peale is a 6° Illuminatus (Pilgrim Society), and a 33° Freemason. In the magazine Psychic Magazine of San Francisco Peale says of occultist Kreskin,
"All he’s doing is dramatizing what I’ve been preaching in my writing for years."

Norman Vincent Peale controls the approx. $200 million Presbyterian Minister’s Fund. He celebrated the 25th anniversary of the United Nations. He was the keynote speaker at the birthday of the late Mormon prophet Spencer W. Kimball (a secret Mason). Peale praised Kimball as a true prophet of God, and a great man of God. Peale practices witchcraft, and palms it off on unsuspecting Christians under different terminology.

The false unity movement which is so strong today, wants to unite the devout Christian with the likes of Norman Vincent Peale. Peale is a good friend of Billy Graham, and Billy Graham referred the largest number of new converts of the NY Billy Graham Crusade to Peale’s church.

Oral Roberts, 33° Freemason, helped into ministry by his masonic brother Billy Graham. Oral Roberts has been seen by witnesses participating in SRA and Mind-control. Oral Roberts University and the charismatic movement is another important religious front. The Charismatic movement has been infiltrated by multiples since day-one. The history of the infiltration is extensive. Oral Roberts had cherokee blood, According to some things that Oral Roberts has said, some Christians think that he received his healing powers from an old Indian who healed him through indian shamanism when Oral was young. At times, Oral does use the same methods that spirit mediums use to heal with. According to slaves who have been deprogrammed, they were in satanic rituals with Oral Roberts.

Christian ministers, who have participated in his ministry are saying that they have seen massive swindle in his healing ministry. His university is being used as a programming center. His basketball team at one time had Monarch slaves playing on it. We do not know if they still do. Under the prayer tower is one of the programming sites.

Billy Graham, a handler himself, helped launch Oral Roberts University, and is a friend of Oral Roberts. From the Illuminati’s point of view Tulsa is the Guardian City of Apollo. The City of Faith is to be the center for healing from AEsculapius, a demon related to Apollo. While portraying themselves as Christians, infiltrators within the charismatic movement are carrying out satanic rituals to get demonic healing powers. Tulsa is one of, if the main center for the campaign to infiltrate Christianity via the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement with programmed multiples.

G. Bromiey Oxnam, 33° Freemason, was head of the FCC churches, supportive friend of Billy Graham, G. Bromley Oxnam has a long history to him of working for the elite, interested readers can pick up his story in Be Wise As Serpents in the chapter that goes into the details about how the Christian churches were organized by the FCC and WCC for the Illuminati.

The NWO is infiltrating the churches via the Earth Stewardship Movement. An attempt was made at Rio de Janeiro to get an Earth Charter but there wasn’t enough time, their were lots of N.O.G. delegates and just in general lots of people to coordinate (4,000 attended). Another Earth Summit was promised, but instead they decided at the end of Sept/Oct of ’95 to have a State of the World Forum to be held by/sponsored by the Gorbachev Foundation at the Presidio, CA. The ex-head of the KGB, Gorbachev is now headquartered in the Presideo, a major mind-control programming site.

Christian basher Ted Turner was the chairman of the conference. The cost was $5,000 per person and the invitations went out to only select people. There were 100 handpicked politicians who received invitations, along with Billy Graham and Mother Teresa. This was coordinated with the 50th anniversary of the UN which was being celebrated all over the world.

FLEECING THE SHEEP

The charismatic movement claims to have the Holy Spirit in a special way, however, some seem to be lacking in all discernment that the Holy Spirit would give. There are several books exposing the big name Charismatic ministers. One is written by an ex-charismatic Assembly of God minister. He shows a picture in his book of an Assembly of God flier promoting the "Testimony of J. Edgar Hoover." Yes, the Assembly of God promoted the ,,testimony" of J. Edgar Hoover, while he was known to be a power hungry individual who practiced homosexuality, It was this type of hype that caused this minister to grow disillusioned with the charismatic movement’s so called spirituality.

Recently, the spiritual discernment of Billy Graham and many other big time ministries was exposed when these big Christian ministries were conned out of $550 million dollars. Billy Graham introduced John G. Bennett to thousands of people at a recent Billy Graham Crusade in Philadelphia in 1992. John Bennett gave his testimony at the crusade.
Because Billy Graham, John Templeton, and Laurence Rockefeller were apparently supportive of John G. Bennett, big time Christian ministries "trusted" him. John told many of the big Christian ministries that if they gave him millions of dollars, for every million he received he would give them two million back. Many of the big Christian ministries gave Bennett money--in fact he collected $550 million (which he ran off with) from ministries such as Pat Robertson’s, Bill Bright’s, Chuck Colson’s, Luis Palau’s, Westminster Theological Seminary, Wheaton College, the Salvation Army and many others. The reader may have heard of this New Era Foundation scam.

That’s what it was. Bennett told these "Christian" leaders "Give New Era one million dollars and we’ll give you back two million." The donations of hard earned money by many innocent Christian believers were lost, However, the Christian believers are partially responsible because the church has refused to clean house of wolves that set in their pulpits.

For instance, when Billy Graham came to the Portland area all the various denominations from the most liberal to the most conservative supported him. Only about a dozen churches did not get involved and only one church actively tried to expose Billy Graham--EVEN THOUGH THERE HAS BEEN A MASS OF DOCUMENTATION EXPOSING BILLY GRAHAM AS A WOLF FOR 30 YEARS. When the church refuses to follow God’s Word and supports these men--then they must take some of the blame when these men give their millions of hard earned dollars away to a con artist.

INADEQUATE REACTIONS

When people have been warned about Billy Graham, one of the common responses is to for people to call up the Billy Graham crusade staff, If I ask a biologist a question about biology I can expect to get a credible answer, If I ask a mother about her son I can expect to get a credible answer. But how in the world can someone call up the Billy Graham Crusade staff and expect to get a credible answer to the question "Is Billy Graham a Mason?" The person that answers the phone is likely a secretary, someone who knows Billy Graham no more than the janitor. What does that person know about the Freemasons?

Because the Freemasons are a secret society, in general, there are only two basic categories of people--people involved with Freemasonry, and they certainly know what’s going on in it but they have taken blood oaths on penalty of death not to talk about it, and those who aren’t involved with Freemasonry and don’t know anything about it. There are only a few people who are not masons, who are informed about the Masons. The answer of some secretary over the phone to the question, Is Billy Graham a Freemason?" is of little value, because the secretary or other staff member has not had the opportunity to get reliable information. This is from the standpoint of getting a reliable witness, calling some secretary or staff member is simply not a credible response to all the documentation. No court would view a secretary of a large organization as an expert witness qualified to settle such a dispute.

The second catch is that such witnesses are not reasonably unbiased. It is expected that Billy Graham’s staff would front for him any questions that could expose him to bad publicity. This last comment is not speculation. There is proof that Billy Graham’s staff has consistently lied over the years to prevent negative publicity about Billy Graham.

When Richard Nixon met with his political buddies to decide who to have run with him, the person he asked first in the smoke-filled room was Billy Graham, I have read the account of this is more than one place, but I will quote Marshall Frady’s description of when Billy Graham was asked who he thought should run with Nixon as Nixon’s vice-presidential running mate. Billy Graham chose 33° Masonic brother (then only 32°) Mark Hatfield.

Here is Frady’s description. "His assimilation into the Nixon presidency had already been well underway, in fact, at that convention in Miami when, after Nixon’s nomination, Graham wound up sitting in Nixon’s penthouse suite among the smoggy late-night deliberations over Nixon’s vice-presidential selection: Graham himself, whatever initial uncertainty he might have felt to find himself in such a political locker-room session, soon pitched into the proceedings with his own effusive recommendation of Mark Hatfield: "He’s a great Christian leader. He’s almost a clergyman. He’s been an educator, and he’s taken a more liberal stand on most issues than you, and I think the ticket needs that kind of balance."

In 1992, Mark Hatfield, along with Prince Hall Freemason Jessie Jackson both were on television in July of last year defending Billy Graham’s actions. Mark Hatfield, according to a deprogrammed slave has been a user of Monarch sexual slaves. NY’s Union Seminary is controlled and funded by the Rockefellers. President of Union Seminary was Dr. Henry Van Dusen. Billy Graham made him a prominent person in his crusade and said he was a "classic example" of a mass evangelism conversion.

If that is a good example of Graham’s conversions, we Christians should shudder. It is no coincidence that the Southern Baptists of which Billy Graham is a member, is controlled by the Freemasons. Brook Hays, Pres, of the So. Bapt. Convention was a high ranking Freemason as well as part of the CFR. None of the So. Bapt. Convention’s Presidents have opposed Freemasonry.

Pres. Bill Clinton, a slave handler, is a member of the Emmanuel Baptist Church which is a Southern Baptist Church in Little Rock, Ark. The late Bill Moyers who promoted the Mystery Religions was a Southern Baptist. Moyers went to the SW Baptist Theological Seminary, the same school run by one of Billy Graham’s staff directors.

John Buchanan is another Southern Baptist. John Buchanan went to a So. Bapt. Seminary, and then worked as a front man for People for the American Way started by Jewish Norman Lear, an anti-Christian. People might be shocked to learn of some of the New Age teachings and New Age teachers that have been allowed into the Southern Baptist churches. The Southern Baptist youth program is based on Masonic ideas and is very masonic in its ritual.

SUMMARY

The reader is thanked for wading through a lot of difficult material. The reader can see why Billy Graham may well be the greatest deception that has ever been successfully pulled off.

But as Abraham Lincoln said, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time." Ever since the early 1950s, there have been Christians exposing Billy Graham, But the control of the Christian media and the Christian seminaries is far more extensive than most people realize. The Be Wise As Serpents book diagrams out how the Christian religious denominations are being controlled, and how the Masons and Illuminati-connected administrators and trustees have control of most of the Seminaries.

Billy Graham without a doubt works directly for the Satanic hierarchy. But a rational and fair appraisal of what the man is, and what damage he has done to Christianity will probably not be given much of a chance. Nobody, no matter who they are is going to fool Christ. There will be a real evaluation done on judgment day and when that day comes Christ said,

“MANY WILL SAY TO ME IN THAT DAY, LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN YOUR NAME, CAST OUT DEMONS IN YOUR NAME, AND DONE MANY WONDERS IN YOUR NAME? And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!” Mt 7:22-23

THE TOP SECRET AMISH FRONT (& HUTTERITES)

It will probably assist the reader to know that both of the authors have first hand experience with the following information about the Amish. Fritz was Amish for several years as an Amish church member in church districts in Kansas, Missouri, and Illinois. He has also visited numerous Amish settlements in the U.S. & Canada, and lived/worked with the horse and buggy Old Order Mennonites (not to be confused with the Old Order Amish Mennonites) in Ontario Canada for half a year. He has a manuscript of a book that he wrote about the Old Order Amish Mennonites, and has gone so far as to inquire with publishers like National Geographic if they would like some of his material.

He has also attended a variety of Mennonite churches, including Church of God in Christ, Menn. (Holdeman’s), Charismatic Mennonite, Conserv. Menn. and Beachy Amish churches across the U.S. He also knows first-hand that Illuminati slaves, some of who are programmers, have been infiltrated by the Illuminati into Mennonite churches.

Perhaps what may come across as the strangest religious front, and it is certainly one of the biggest secrets of the intelligence agencies is their use of the Old Order Amish Mennonites as a front. The Amish are the most pacifistic people, so the Illuminati/intelligence agencies have placed some of their best programmed assassins behind the front of being Amish. The front is real--they are Amish, well, many of them, some were Illuminati children switched at birth to give the programmers better bloodlines to work from. Some Amish women in cult families have let the Illuminati impregnate them with stronger bloodlines. Many Nazi bloodlines were hidden after WW II under the Mennonite/Amish cover.

The Mennonites and some of the more progressive Amish adopt many children. The Amish in Missouri (Jamestown), Kansas (south of Hutchison), and Oklahoma (Guthrie, OK), Kentucky, Ohio (Holmes Co., OH), and Pennsylvania (Lancaster,PA) have been involved in selling their children to the Illuminati. When the Illuminati would buy a child they would send in one of their own midwives to help with the birth and retrieve the child.

Generally, the Amish would sell their children when they realized they were going to have twins. One would be given to the cult, and one would be kept by the Amish parents. Because these children are born outside of the system, and have no birth certificates, they made excellent children to use in porn. They also can be used as expendable children to use in porn. They were often blond haired and blue eyed. The Amish women were not allowed to use birth control, it was forbidden by the church, and they were not allowed to have an abortion, and it was their duty to have sex with their husbands. It is possible that some parents sold their children just to get out of the responsibility of having another child.

The Amish farms in Kansas and Oklahoma and in the border states like Missouri and Kentucky are mechanized with tractors, and they don’t need the large families that the Amish in other places need. Due to the strong legalism that pervades their church, some have tried to get around the tight spot that the rules place them in by selling a few unnoticed children.

However, there is an active witchcraft practicing occult group within the Amish which is like a box within a box within a box. It is very secret. There are many ways of describing what is going on with the Amish. Let’s describe quickly in half a page (it could be a book in itself) what a deep look at the spiritual dynamics of what is going on with their communities.

The rise of Satanism within their ranks is simply a natural outgrowth of the spiritual dynamics. There were two trees in the Garden of Eden, one was the Tree of Life and one was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The first meant being transformed by the Creator who made them into the image of the Spirit of God and receiving spiritual life, but the other tree was performance.

The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (religion) includes both Law (good) and license (evil). As soon as a group gets legalistic, they fall from grace. They then separate themselves by their performance and say in effect “look at what we’re doing” which is a form of pride. God resists the proud, so they through a number of spiritual dynamics lose fellowship with God. This means they must cling to their legalistic traditions even more, because a live relationship with God is gone. (Bible Studies are forbidden by most Amish church distrists, and they don’t get new revelation from God, they still are working off of the revelations of the 1600s, when they were traumatized and quit growing. When they split from the rest of the Mennonites, they were like a child alter split which never grows up.) When a group gets legalism, they also get license, because the two grow from the same tree. Every Amish community has two large groups--the legalistic ones and the license ones.

The young people are even split this way. In Lancaster County, the Groffies” is the nickname of the large license group of young people who fornicate and drink. There is a smaller group of legalistic conservative young people too, who are at the other end of the spectrum. There is one group (gang might be a more appropriate name) called Jamborees who are an unruly and destructive collection of angry wild young people.

The Bishops in Lancaster Co. meet twice yearly to keep this large settlement of opposites together. A lot of compromise and looking the other way is done for the sake of peace. “Peace” at any price is the name of the game. Even before a prayer is said in church the minister calls out, “Wenn mer eenich sin, wella mer bete.” This translates, “If we are in one accord, then let us pray.” Because peace is so important, they are out of balance in getting it. They place peace far above truth.

In order to have the appearance that everything is well, secrecy pervades everything like the air one breathes. Because their whole culture is secret, children raised in it aren’t aware of how strong it is, it is simply a way of life, like it is for the Illuminati. Legalism values conformity. Conformity prefers robotic obedience over understanding.

In fact, one Bishop told Fritz, co-author of this book, “We don’t want our young folks to understand why they do what they do, we only want obedience. Understanding is dangerous.” Does the reader begin to see how the Amish make both the perfect setting for Monarch Mind-Control, and the perfect cover. The Amish are a very secret group. During their early history they suffered severe persecution. Their culture teaches them to suffer in silence, which today helps their Satanic abusers infiltrate their culture.

In the past in Europe, when the Catholic or Protestant church caught them they were tortured to death. They were hunted as animals and treated worse than animals when caught. This was the trauma, that Satan did to them, and the lie that was then handed them was that if they would cloister themselves secretly in the New World away from everyone else, they would be safe.

The Amish have shut out from outsiders the true flavor of their culture and beliefs. They are silent about their problems. They tell themselves that outsiders couldn’t possibly be interested in their affairs. The Amish themselves are very divided from each other. The divisions between Amish groups is called Zwietract. Zwietract can cover anything from a mild aloofness to a full fledged shunning (called the Meidung).

The Amish aren’t in general qualified to tell outsiders much in detail about their own heritage, or religion because they are so isolated from the other Amish settlements and have been raised in such an anti-intellectual culture. Most Amish are content to know that the way they do things “was always done this way” and that their elders and forefathers were gifted men who examined things very closely. Their social norms are not intellectually questioned by most Amish, but then American society has been very isolationist in the world and few Americans question their society & norms.

Americans even rebel in the prescribed fashion, whatever the elite tell society is the “in” “cool” “hot” stylish way to do things. The Amish are similar to the Mid-east culture in that they have a very indirect approach to saying things. They do not consider it proper to speak with a negative connotation about anybody. They also instinctively give pat answers to outsiders to blunt questions. These pat answers border on being rigid, prejudiced, and simple. They serve the purpose to deter curiosity. The early Amish leaders were ex-Catholic priests, but most of the people were peasants who had little formal schooling, had little Bible knowledge, and came from southern Germany and the Rheinland where witchcraft was practiced by the common people.

The Spirit of Witchcraft never left the Amish. It has always been with them. The folk witchcraft is called Brauche, and the craft is kept secret by old men who pass the incantations down in secret. When the Amish moved to Pennsylvania, they moved in next door to Rosicrucians.

When the Rosicrucian settlements fell apart they joined the Mennonites, thus bringing their hermetic magic along with them. Somewhere within the Amish were some families that were under cover for the Jesuits, and were sent in as spies long ago because they were corrupt.

These families have been generational satanists, which practice pedophilia and other crimes in the safety of their isolation. They were placed within the Amish to help the Catholic church destroy the Amish. In Europe that happened under Hitler, when all the Old Order Amish were arrested in 1938 and wiped out of Germany.

Prior to WW II, the Nazi’s part of the Illuminati sent over a number of programmed multiples which set up an unnamed cult in upstate New York. This cult was to help Hitler take power in the U.S. when the Nazi’s won the war. They did not win the war, but 60 years later this Satanic cult still operates.

Now 2nd and 3rd generation programmed multiples are now part of this cult. Somehow this Illuminati mission coordinates with the Illuminati project to get Hitler’s bloodline hidden among the Amish, although the authors are aware of Hitler’s descendants being in Oregon, and Washington as well as Pennsylvania. One of them in Portland, Oregon works for the Federal government. Lancaster County is sometimes referred to as the mother church. This was one of the original counties which the Amish settled in when they first came over to the New World. William Penn invited Rosicrucians, Amish, and other dissident religious groups to Pennsylvania. The Satanic covens in Lancaster County, PA consist of members from Amish, Mennonite and Brethren churches. They are not simply all Amish.

Lancaster County’s Amish will fellowship will all the approximately 200 other settlements of Amish around the country. What is a peculiar phenomena, is that many churches that do not fellowship with one another, will still maintain “communion” with Lancaster out of respect for place in Amish history. However, Lancaster County has some of the most immoral reprobate Amish that there could be.

All this is hidden very well from the thousands of tourists, due to the secrecy of the Amish. The Amish do not often pay taxes, do not pay social security because they are exempt from the Social Security program, and send many of their children to Amish schools. They are truly a separate society which maintains rigid secrecy. If you were the New World Order or the Illuminati where would you want to hide your assassins?

The safest place is inside of the most pacifist group in the world, the Amish. Monarch mind-controlled slaves are being created out of Amish children. During W.W. II, Amish conscientious objectors were forced by the government to do alternate public service in lieu of military service. This was known as Civilian Public Service.

Amish & Mennonite conscientious objectors were placed into Mental Hospitals to help. They served at Allentown State Hosp., Allentown, PA; Cantonsville State Hosp., Cantonsville, MD; Cleveland State Hosp., Cleveland, OH; Delaware State Hosp., Parnhurst, DL; Denver State Hosp., Denver, CO; Greystone Park State Hosp., Greystone Park, NJ; Harrisburg State Hosp., Harrisburg, PA; Hudson River State Hosp., Poughkeepsie, NY; Kalamazoo State Hosp., Kalamazoo, MI; Lima State Hosp., Lima, OH; Livermore State VA Hosp., Livermore, CA; Macedonia State Hosp., Macedonia, OH; Marlboro State Hosp., Marlboro, NJ; Mt. Pleasant State Hosp., Mt. Pleasant, 10; Norristown State Hosp., Norristown, PA; Provo State Hosp., Provo, UT; Rhode Is. State Hosp., Howard, RI; Roseburg VA State Hosp., Roseburg, OR; Staunton State Hosp., Staunton, VA; Tiffin State Hosp., Tiffin, OH; Wernersville State Hosp., Wernersville, PA; Ypsilanti State Hosp., Ypsilanti, MI.

The author, Fritz, believes that the complete story of how the Illuminati got a secret foothold into the Amish community lies in what happened in mental hospitals to the anxious-to-please, compliant, innocent Amish boys, who were assigned to these mental hospitals. Many people do not realize that during W.W. I, several Mennonite/Hutterite conscientious objectors were tortured to death by our government.

Not a pretty picture when you find out how sadistic our government was willing to be toward its own citizens. Not only did the Amish boys go to lots of mental hospitals during W.W. II, but all of the religious groups that participated in the conscientious objector service (called Civilian Public Service) contributed boys to the Office of Scientific Research & Development (part of the Army), which was still using these boys for experiments until Dec. 31, 1946.

What kinds of “experiments” were the Amish boys, who were offered up as guinea pigs, subjected to by the OSRD? We now know that some of these experiments were very dangerous to their human guinea pigs. 1-0 classification was the Selective Service Board’s Conscientious Objector classification. During the Vietnam War, Amish young men went into I-W service (conscientious objector service) at mental and regular hospitals. Their I-W service was for two years.

Some of these young men were programmed at these hospitals. One Amish boy after he got home from I-W service committed suicide. The secret satanic families within various Amish settlements also offered up their children. This started a large scale super secret operation by the CIA/Intelligence agencies to set up Delta teams within the Amish.

Who would ever suspect an Amishman? They have been expendable assassins for the CIA for years. These young men are strong farmboys. They have no connection between themselves and the outside world where they secretly carry out their missions, and if they die, there is no birth record, and perhaps a dozen other siblings for their family to continue on with.

During the Vietnam War, the Military’s Selective Service did things differently than in W.W.II. Any hospital or mental hospital which applied for approval could get I-W (conscientious objector) boys. The Amish put together a Steering Committee to work with the government and the I-W service.

In the I-W Steering Committee meetings (and the author Fritz attended one) it was stated by Committee members “The boys do not come back the same [from the hospitals]” and that the I-W service in the mental hospitals was “proving unsatisfactory and harmful.”

Some of the mental hospitals which received Amish boys include Columbia Missouri’s State Mental Hospital & Hospital complex, Colorado Psychopathic Hospital in Denver, all of the hospitals that got W.W. III-Ws (as listed above), Central State Hospital, Indianpolis, IND, New Jersey State Hospital, Greystone Park, NJ, Philadelphia State Hospital, Philadelphia, PA, plus numerous others. At any one time, there were hundreds of Amish boys in I-W service.

It is suspected that many of these hospitals were involved in mind-control, and it is known that the Columbia, MO complex of hospitals and Mid-Missouri State Mental Hospital, 803 Stadium Dr., Columbia, Missouri and the Veteren’s Hospital across the street were involved in mind-control for the CIA.

A mental hospital had to apply to the Selective Service Board for approval to get I-W workers. Then their personnel departments would hire the I-W boys for positions such as nursing attendants. One State Mental Hospital administrator told Fritz that the whole I-W thing was “pretty confidential.” The Amish Steering Committee worked with the Mennonite Central Committee (MCC) which in turn worked for some quasi-religious group which is privately funded called The National Service Board of Religious Objectors (NSBRO) still active in Washington, D.C.

The Amish were slow to act, but by the end of the Vietnam War, they had managed to get some of their farms approved for I-W service and in 1971, the Steering Committee was able to announce that 70 Amish I-W boys were working on Amish farms in 8 states, rather than in hospitals. However, this late change was too late to protect their settlements from infiltration from sophisticated Illuminati mind-control.

HOW IT IS DONE

A programmed Amish boy will likely be contacted by what is called a “CUT-OUT’. This is the secret contact person who maintains contact between the Handler and the Amish Delta. CUT-OUT’s can either be given several slaves (a BLOCK CUT-OUT) or in other cases only know the up-line handler and down-line person (a CHAIN CUT-OUT). If further secrecy is needed by the handler, he can use ‘‘sterile telephones’’ which the Illuminati/CIA have which cannot be traced, even by the telephone companies. When an Amish boy is activated and sent out on an assassination mission for the Illuminati/Intelligence agencies he is a professional at what he has been trained and programmed to do.

Amish boys, programmed to be assassins, are used in what their handlers call “wet ops”. This intelligence lingo means that human blood will run. Wet ops, also called black ops are debriefed by a briefing team.

The Amish multiple will have to give a detailed account of the finished operation, once under hypnosis, once with a polygraph, and once under the drug scopolamine (a truth serum). And when the debriefing team, which includes a Mind-control Programmer, is satisfied that all of the inconsistencies between the different accounts have been ironed out, then the Programmer will block out all memory and guilt of the operation.

The handler may write a “blind memorandum” which has no file no. or letterhead or name. Then Amish boy’s assassination alters will be praised for having done a great service to humanity and to his country. The Amish boy can now be sent home to milk cows and work on his labor-intensive tobacco farm without any nagging guilt or horrible memories surfacing to trouble him (at least in theory).

Trained assassins do have memory flashes, as all Monarch slaves have, but they are only bits and pieces. People also do not realize that the Amish live in many more states than Pennsylvania.

They move all over the United States. If an Amishman was travelling on a CIA mission there are numerous of excuses that could be made for why he could be on the move. There are far more Amish young people away from the Amish settlements than people realize because they dress like the world. Many young people leave with the knowledge that they can go back years later and be accepted back into their community. What are some of the mitigating factors in all of this? The Amish do their own butchering. They are down-to-earth people who are not afraid of blood. Essentially all Amish children grow up helping with butchering, and seeing life and death played out everyday on their farms. The Amish do not embalm their dead, and have their own cemeteries.

The Satanic cult within the Amish can reopen the graves and carry out satanic ceremonies afterward. Their cemeteries are small almost hidden sites with markers hidden in grass. Some of these graveyards blend in with their rural settings. Elmo, Joseph, and Victor Stoll are some prominent Amishmen. Joseph and Elmo have travelled a great deal esp. to Central America. Joseph wrote a book on Child Training which teaches parents how to break a child’s will. This author is supportive of discipline and respect. The book is pointed out, only because it is a paper trail to show that the Amish discipline and the Illuminati’s discipline at times can be similar.

The only person who might see an Amish boy being disciplined (since they are a rural people) would be the immediate family or an occassional amish guest. An Amishman seeing a father carrying out the Monarch steps to build dissociation would likely not see anything wrong. If the guest did see something wrong (i.e. too strict or mean), the objections would be kept very low key.

For sure, no non-Amish would ever hear about it. The Illuminati families like the Dukes and Reynolds control tobacco production and cigarette manufacturing. In order to keep their lifestyle in Pennsylvania, the Amish have had to grow tobacco for the Illuminati controlled companies. This author can only speculate what economic leverage that has given the Illuminati over the Pennsylvania Amish.

HIDING A MAJOR PROGRAMMING CENTER

The blue prints of the Portland Mormon Temple at Lake Oswego, Oregon, which sets over a secret underground programming site, were changed overnight after they were looked at. The original blueprints showed that Lake Oswego had allowed a building code to broken. The blueprint was changed, showing that Lake Oswego’s city employees were working along with the Mormon church and the CIA to keep everything running smooth with their high tech secret underground programming center, which has the front of being sacred temple grounds.

Three separate Monarch slaves independently described this underground installation, and there are other evidences of it too. In order to gain access to the underground programming tunnels, a person has to have to place their palm on the wall, where a disguised instrument identifies a person’s hand. The entrances are disguised using the most sophisticated techniques. One is from the Temple Laundry Building south of the temple and another is from the hotel south of the temple. This hotel has a strange hard-to-find entrance to its parking lot, almost as if they haven’t wanted uninvited guests. Tunnels are widely used at the other various programming sites.

continued

http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula5Bchap.shtml

hunkahunka

14-03-2009, 05:32 AM

apparently, Dark Island , with Singer Castle, and its network of secret underground tunnels, was owned by the La Salle Military Academy for
almost forty years. (1926 - 1965)

La Salle Military Academy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

La Salle Military Academy was a Catholic school with middle school/junior high school and high school divisions located in Oakdale, New York.
the school relocated to Clason Point in the Bronx, New York, and was renamed Clason Point Military Academy. In 1926, the school purchased the estate of Frederick Gilbert Bourne, of the Singer sewing machine company, which featured a 110-room mansion, Indian Neck Hall, overlooking Great South Bay, Long Island
and Singer Castle, on Dark Island in the Thousand Islands (the building had been designed by Ernest Flagg).

The school had extensive boarding facilities and attracted many sons of the wealthiest Catholic families in the northeastern United States.

Alumni include numerous famous people, including Hollywood movie director John Frankenheimer, former New Hampshire Governor and White House Chief of Staff John H. Sununu, former Nicaraguan President and dictator Anastasio Somoza Debayle, and former U.S. Congressman from New York John M. Murphy (1965 graduation speaker). It also had a large New York mafia family patronage, including sons of the Gambino crime family.

Interesting. A gothic castle known alternately as Singer Castle and Dark Towers, on an isolated island named 'Dark Island' , owned and operated for forty years by an elite military school that educated the adolescent children (11-14) of the New York mafia, including sons of the Gambino crime family

One of the students, John Frankenheimer, went on to become a film director
and in 1962 , directed 'The Manchurian Candidate', starring Frank Sinatra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frankenheimer#The_Manchurian_Candidate
(mobster Frank Sinatra bought the rights to this film and buried it from
circulation for 25 years)

then there are the Gambino crime family kids, perhaps at times sent to Dark Island by the military academy they were sent to from 11 years old, betweem 1926 and 1965. They sure turned out normal:

Roy Demeo was a ranking member of the Gambino crime family.

Quote:

Joseph Guglielmo

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Joseph 'Dracula' Guglielmo in an early 1980s Federal Bureau of Investigation mugshot.

Guglielmo's "Dracula" nickname has been attributed to the gangster's all-night revelries in pornography studios and the blood rituals he allegedly performed with the blood of mob victims in his apartment.
He was an excellent cook who regularly prepared pasta dishes for Roy and Albert Demeo. By the end of the DeMeo Crew's reign, it had become well-accepted that Guglielmo and DeMeo were serial killers.

Blood ritual serial killer who dismembered bodies was an excellent cook who regularly prepared pasta dishes.

What was so excellent about his pasta dishes? Let me guess. The meat sauce?

Check out this information on the Roy Demeo crew serial killers who would elaborately slaughter, drain, dismember, wrap and box the flesh of victims. All this allegedly to just 'send them off to the garbage dump':

Gemini Method
Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_DeMeo
As the 1970s continued, Roy cultivated his followers into a crew experienced with the process of murdering and dismembering victims. With the exception of killings intended to send a message to any who would hinder their criminal activities, or murders that presented no other alternative, a set method of execution was established by Roy and crew to ensure that victims would be dispatched quickly and then made to disappear. The method of execution was dubbed the Gemini Method, named after the Gemini Lounge, the primary hangout of the DeMeo crew as well as the site where most of the crew's victims were killed. The exact process of the Gemini Method, revealed by multiple crew members and associates who became government witness in the early 1980s, was as follows: Typically, the victim would be lured through the side door of the Lounge, and into the apartment that made up the back portion of the building. At this point, a crew member (almost always Roy DeMeo according to crew member turned government witness Frederick DiNome) would approach with a silenced pistol in one hand and a towel in the other, shooting the victim in the head then wrapping the towel around the victim's head wound like a turban in order to staunch the blood flow. Immediately after, another member of the crew (originally Chris Rosenberg up until his 1979 murder, according to government witness testimony) would stab the victim in the heart in order to prevent any more blood from pumping out of the gunshot wound. By then the victim would be dead, at which point the body would be stripped of its clothing and dragged into the bathtub where it was left while the remaining blood drained out and/or congealed within the body. This was to eliminate the messiness of the next step, when crew members would place the body onto plastic tarps laid out in the main room and proceed to dismember it, cutting off the arms, legs and head. The body parts would then be put into bags, placed in cardboard boxes and sent off to the Fountain Avenue Dump in Brooklyn

Let me guess. This carefully prepared and packaged 'meat' was not really sent to any dump. These people were merchants. They sold stolen cars, pornography, and drugs. Were they selling human flesh too?
And all that blood. What was really done with those bath tubs full of blood?

Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_DeMeo
'Roy joined the Boro of Brooklyn Credit Union that same year, gaining a position on the board of directors shortly afterwards. He utilized his newfound position to launder money he had earned through his various illegal ventures. He also introduced colleagues at the Credit Union to a lucrative side-business laundering the money of drug dealers he had become acquainted with. Finally, Roy also further built up his loansharking business with funds stolen from credit union reserves. His collection of loanshark customers, while still primarily those in the car industry, soon included other businesses such as a dentist's office, an abortion clinic, restaurants and flea markets. He was also listed as an employee for a Brooklyn company named S & C Sportswear Corporation, and frequently told his neighbors he worked in food retailing, construction, and the used car business.'

Notable this credit union link , reminds me of the Franklin Credit Union scandal from 'Conspiracy of Silence' , where the credit union was used to launder 'Skull n' Bones' CIA drug money. That case also involved prostitution, porn, etc.

Notable too that Demeo had ties to an abortion clinic, restaurants, and told neighbors he was a 'food retailer'.
Wonder what he might have been 'retailing' from that abortion clinic?

http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/images/show/264_show_image_xlarge.jpg
Richard Kuklinski

'Iceman' Richard Kuklinski is known to have worked as a hitman for the Demeo/Gambino gang, and rented a warehouse with an industrial size freezer where at least one body is known to have been seen hanging. He claims to have killed well over 200 people, and one of the bodies was found still partially frozen dumped on the street. The theory goes that Kuklinski was so sophisticated that he would freeze the bodies and store them for months before dumping them to conceal the time of death. (Coroners would wrongly conclude that the person had been recently killed due to the absence of decay, and Kuklinsy would then have an alibi for his whereabouts at that incorrect time of death) Hence the nickname 'Iceman'.

But what if that is not the whole story at all? What if the real reason that Kuklinski was freezing bodies was entirely different?
Could it be linked to these merchants that he worked for, these serial killers who liked to process and package human flesh? Meat has a limited freezer life. What if Kuklinski at times dumped bodies that had been frozen too long? Or what if he had to empty the freezer due to a mechanical failure, or remove a body from the freezer occasionally because someone set to visit might find it, and dumped bodies on those occasions? Why have an industrial sized freezer? A couple of chest freezers would serve the purpose of merely
storing victims. This sounds like something larger-scale to me, involving meat.
So now do know where those boxes of processed flesh from the Demeo crew were really going? Maybe not going to the Fountain Avenue Dump in Brooklyn at all? Maybe they went to 'the Iceman', and his industrial sized warehouse freezer.

Quote:
'During the initial stages of an early 1980s Federal/State task force targeting the DeMeo Crew, a plan by authorities to excavate sections of the dump in order to locate remains of victims was aborted when it was deemed too costly and likely to fail at locating any meaningful evidence.'

It was deemed 'too costly and likely to fail' in turning up the remains? I can understand it being costly, but 'likely to fail'?
How did they know that?
Wonder why that is? Maybe because 'insiders' knew that there were no bodies going to the dump to begin with?
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So these were the kids 'educated' at the military academy that owned Dark Island?

hunkahunka

14-03-2009, 01:52 PM

The New York Times

The Don Is Done
By Jeffrey Goldberg
Published: Sunday, January 31, 1999

Castellana sighed and slumped in his chair. Behind him, on the wall, hung a silver crucifix. On another wall was the sword he carried when he was a cadet at the LaSalle Military Academy, where Carlo Gambino and Paul Castellano also sent their sons.

First things first, though: the name. ''You see,'' Joseph Castellana, one of the brothers, told me once, ''Castellano ends with an 'o,' but Castellana ends with an 'a.' Castellano, Castellana. It's different.''

Not as different as the Brothers Castellana would like. They claim -- and no one has yet proven otherwise -- that they are far removed from organized crime. But the Castellanas, the Castellanos and the Gambinos are all related, and this makes things difficult for Peter Jr., who is trying, he says, to lead his family to the promised land of total business legitimacy. The most intractable problem for Peter Jr., however, is Peter Sr.

The Western Beef story is another story of fathers and sons: Like the Castellanos, the Gambinos and others, the father wants legitimacy for his sons. But the price, he is learning, is his own exile.

Western Beef, with headquarters in an orange-painted complex in a gray and threatening section of Ridgewood, Queens, runs 21 supermarkets and a food-wholesaling operation. It is the Castellana brothers who bought the assets of Dial Poultry from the Castellano brothers when they left New York in a hurry.
complete story:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04E0DF1338F932A05752C0A96F9582 60&scp=19&sq=leona%20lewis&st=nyt&pagewanted=1.

hunkahunka

14-03-2009, 02:28 PM

http://www.wtkr.com/news/dp-local_shootingfollo2_0313mar13,0,4057629.story

Soldier shot by police idolized 'The Joker'

By Hugh Lessig 247-7821

March 13, 2009

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Christopher Lanum (AP)

NORFOLK - A Fort Eustis soldier who was killed Sunday in a shootout with police was described as idolizing The Joker from "The Dark Knight," and he painted his face during a failed getaway attempt that took him across the state.

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That description of Army Spc. Christopher Lanum was included in court papers filed in the arrest of his girlfriend. She is charged with aiding Lanum after he allegedly stabbed a fellow soldier at the Newport News post early Sunday morning.

Investigators also said Lanum was dressed in black pants and a green vest before the stabbing, and that the computer in his room showed that someone was searching for information on "sleeping gas."

His girlfriend, Patsy Ann Marie Montowski, appeared in U.S. District Court on Thursday afternoon and was ordered held pending a detention hearing next Tuesday. The complaint charges her with accessory after the fact to an assault.

Montowski provided the getaway vehicle and accompanied her boyfriend in a cross-state drive that ended near Front Royal, court papers said. She was wounded in the same confrontation that resulted in Lanum's death.

The victim, Spc. Mitchell Stone, was hospitalized with wounds to the thigh and throat.

According to court records, the two soldiers lived in adjoining rooms on the post, sharing a common kitchen area and bathroom.

Shortly before 6 a.m. Sunday, Fort Eustis medical personnel responded to a report of a stabbing in that area. They found Stone conscious in a blood-spattered room.

Stone said Lanum had attacked him with a knife and a stun gun. Military police found a knife, a gun, a stun gun covered in blood, and a purse belonging to Montowski, along with her driver's license. They began searching for her minivan – a 1999 blue Ford Windstar.

About 11 a.m. Sunday, a U.S. Park ranger spotted the minivan on Skyline Drive in Shenandoah National Park. A chase ensued, and police eventually used tire spikes to disable the vehicle, which crashed.

As police approached, the court records say, they saw Lanum holding a shotgun, his finger on the trigger. Lanum ignored orders to drop the weapon and a trooper fired through the window.

Lanum was struck several times and killed. Montowski was wounded and required hospital treatment.

Montowski later told investigators that she could not give a reason for the fight.

However, she said her boyfriend idolized the Joker — the fictional criminal from the Batman film. Separately, investigators also noticed masks and pictures or paintings of the Joker in Lanum's room, as well as face paint on the hutch and dresser.

She told investigators that her boyfriend "said everything the Joker did he did for a reason, like killing people, and that he agreed with the philosophy of doing things for a reason."

Hours before the stabbing, Montowski said her boyfriend was "'preparing for war,' as he often did" — a ritual that involved cleaning his knives.

Later, she went out for cigarettes and Lanum would not let her back in the room. Stone allowed her to walk through his room to get to the common area, then to her boyfriend's room.

The fight between the two soldiers happened shortly afterward. Stone told police he went into the common area for a drink of water, and Lanum attacked him. Also, he said Montowski attacked him with the stun gun.

hunkahunka

16-03-2009, 07:53 PM

The Mafia and Freemasonry

Freemasons

Roots & Links to the Occult

MASONRY'S RELATIONSHIP TO THE MAFIA AND THE KU KLUX KLAN

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Giuseppe Mazzini, a Thirty-Third Degree Mason, founded a group of revolutionaries called Young Italy. Their goal was to free Italy from the control of monarchy and the Pope. They succeeded, and Mazzini is honored as a patriot in Italy. However, in the process, the Mafia was born. The Young Italy revolutionaries needed money, and they:

"...supported themselves by robbing banks, looting or burning businesses if protection money was not paid, and kidnapping for ransom. Throughout Italy the word spread that "Mazzini autorizza furti, incendi e attentati," meaning, 'Mazzini authorizes theft, arson, and kidnapping.' This phrase was shortened to the acronym, M.A.F.I.A. Organized crime was born." (John Daniel, "Scarlet and the Beast," Vol. I., pages 330-331)

http://www.saintsagainsttyranny.com/AlbertPike.jpg

Albert Pike was Grand Commander the Thirty-Third Degree, as well as Grand Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. He was also a Confederate general. Pike was influenced by Mazzini. Both were military men who were good at fomenting rebellion. (William Schnoebelen, "Masonry," pages 191-192.)

When the Confederacy surrendered to the Union forces, Albert Pike was determined to start another Civil War so that South could win. He founded the Ku Klux Klan, which instigated riots throughout the South in an attempt to disrupt reconstruction and incite a second Civil War. Pike gave Klansman Jesse James the assignment of robbing Northern banks in order to get money to fund this war. It is estimated that Jesse James and other Klansmen buried seven billion dollars in gold all over the western states. ("Scarlet and the Beast," Vol. 3, pages 76-77)

"Pike the old Confederate general, was a wily strategist who knew that if he could leave behind a secret terrorist society in the south to fight against freedom for black people as a rear guard action, the south's defeat might not be in vain." ("Masonry," page 192)

Two books from the turn of the twentieth century document Pike's direct involvement in founding the Klan: "Ku Klux Klan: Its' Origin, Growth and Disbandment" (1905) by J. C. Lester and D. L. Wilson; and "Authentic History: Ku Klux Klan 1865-1877" (1924) by Susan Lawrence Davis." ("Scarlet and the Beast," Vol. 3, page 76)

In considering this, we should remember that Mazzini and Pike probably saw what they did as doing "whatever it takes" to accomplish goals that were important to them. This is a practical application of the philosophy that "the end justifies the means". Mazzini successfully used guerilla warfare and civil disruption to instigate a civil war in Italy, in order to win freedom from control by the monarchy and the papacy. Pike attempted to do a similar kind of thing in the South, in order to win freedom from control by the North, but he failed.

hunkahunka

17-03-2009, 09:41 AM

Lesbian Barbie upsets Mattel

By Tony Grew • August 24, 2006 - 0:00
Barbie's owners are sensitive to the implication Barboe is not 100% heterosexual.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/images/lesbianbarbie.jpg
(photo: mickey glitter)

The honour of a tiny 46-year-old plastic woman is at the centre of an argument between a Brazilian artist and a major toy manufacturer.

The pneumatic curves of the iconic Barbie doll have provided inspiration to photographer Karin Schwarz.

Her pictures of the blonde in compromising situations with other female models have upset Mattel, who are threatening legal action unless the images are removed from the Amazing Girls exhibition in the south-eastern city of Curitiba.

But Schwartz has a thing or two to say to Mattel about Barbie's current treatment.

"Barbie is exploited by Mattel. She wears a bikini, she shows off her belly, has big breasts, and even has a boyfriend," she told the Jornal de Sao Paulo.

Barbie's owners are sensitive to the implication that Barbie is not 100% heterosexual.

A company spokesman said: "Barbie is a very proper lady and she is not happy about being portraited as something that she isn't.

"We are going to sue and we hope that this teaches people a lesson. Also, Barbie is 46 years old, she should be respected."

hunkahunka

18-03-2009, 02:28 AM

Vermont State Hospital Implicated in CIA Mind Control Experiments
http://www.americantorture.com/2008/12/vermont-state-hospital-implicated-in.html

Sexual Abuse and Mind Control at Napa State Hospital
http://www.illuminati-news.com/wayne-morin-jr.htm

Napa State Hospital was another Kirkbride:

check out the size of this place:
http://www.kirkbridebuildings.com/blog/the-lost-kirkbrides-napa-state-hospital

http://www.kirkbridebuildings.com/blog/images/2008/04/09/1.jpg

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Napa State Hospital
http://www.napavalley.edu/pic/34/nsh_gothic_for_historical_thing.jpg

also this guy who became a vampire after spending three years at Napa State as a teen:

Oakland Man Guilty In `Vampire' Attacks
Throats of homeless were slit so he could drink their blood

Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer

Tuesday, November 30, 1999
(11-30) 04:00 PDT San Francisco -- The Oakland man accused of being the ``Vampire Slasher'' was found guilty yesterday of second-degree murder in the slaying of a homeless woman in San Francisco and of assault charges in attacks on three homeless men last year.

The jury rejected a first-degree murder charge against Joshua Rudiger, who has a long history of mental illness, opting for the second-degree murder count in the throat slashing of Shirley Dillahunty on Oct. 29, 1998.

The jury also rejected attempted- murder charges in the three other knife attacks, convicting Rudiger of the lesser assault counts instead.

Jurors deliberated a day and a half, taking the Thanksgiving Day holiday off, before reaching the verdicts.

Rudiger pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. In the next phase of the trial, which begins tomorrow, the defense will try to prove that Rudiger is insane. That would allow him to be hospitalized indefinitely rather than be imprisoned for 15 years to life.

Rudiger, 22, said in a videotaped statement to police that he was a 2,000-year-old vampire. He admitted that he had attacked homeless people and killed the 48-year-old Dillahunty as she slept in a Mission District doorway.

``Prey is prey,'' Rudiger told investigators.

Rudiger's attorney, William Maas, argued that Dillahunty's death was an accident that happened as Rudiger was trying to ``draw a bead'' to drink her blood.

Maas said his client denied committing the attacks on the three homeless men.

The jury found Rudiger guilty of two assault charges each for the attacks on Willy Jackson, Robert Kurtz and Phat Sin. Jackson and Sin testified at the trial. Kurtz died of a drug overdose in January.

Braden Woods, the assistant district attorney handling the case, told jurors Rudiger that struck in the early hours of the morning, picking homeless people because they were vulnerable and there would be few or no witnesses. Woods did not offer a motive for the attacks.

Woods told the jurors that Rudiger used the blood of victims to write a Chinese-language character signifying death, a symbol he also had tattooed on his chest. Rudiger also told police he drank the blood, the prosecutor said.

Jackson testified that he lost consciousness after he was attacked and awoke to find his assailant drinking the blood from his slashed throat.

Maas said his client was the victim of an elaborate contrivance by a police investigator, Mike Johnson, who he said used pressure tactics and lies to get Rudiger to confess crimes that he did not commit.

Maas told the jury his client was ``troubled'' and drank blood of victims to obtain ``vitality.''

He said the prosecution had portrayed his client as a mastermind when he was merely a dupe who did not intentionally inflict fatal injuries on anyone.

``The prosecution's theory is that this little fellow over here is the Napoleon of crime,'' Maas said. But, he said, Rudiger sounded ``like an idiot'' during the police interview.

Rudiger told investigators he hoped he ``hadn't done too much damage'' to Dillahunty.

``He believes he's a vampire; he says he needs it (blood) for vitality,'' Maas said of Rudiger. ``Maybe it's all going on in his head.''

Police and acquaintances said Rudiger has maintained at various times that he was a vampire, a samurai or a ninja warrior.

A judge ordered Rudiger to undergo psychiatric treatment as a result of a 1997 case in which he pleaded guilty to wounding a former friend with a bow and arrow. But he never showed up at a treatment center, and even if he had, officials conceded, his violent past and long waiting lists would have all but eliminated his chances of getting in.

Rudiger had spent six months at Atascadero State Hospital after the bow-and-arrow attack. He also spent three years at Napa State Hospital after he attempted suicide using a samurai sword at age 15.

Rudiger was recommitted to Atascadero after his arrest in the slashings last fall, but was later found mentally fit to stand trial. Prosecutors say they have two doctors who have examined Rudiger and found him legally sane

hunkahunka

18-03-2009, 11:27 AM

clearly, Rudiger had MPD

In San Francisco in 1998, Joshua Rudiger, 22, claimed to be a 2,000-year-old vampire and went about the city slashing the necks of vulnerable homeless people with a knife. He hurt three men and killed a woman sleeping in a doorway, and when one victim's identification led to his arrest, he claimed that he needed to drink human blood. The woman indeed died from a lack of blood.

"Prey is prey," he told investigators.

Rudiger proved to have a history of mental illness, having claimed alternately to be a vampire and a ninja warrior, and had once attempted suicide with a Samurai sword. Dr. Paul Good, who testified in his case, discovered that he'd been diagnosed at the age of four as psychotic. Rudiger went into foster homes and psychiatric hospitals, where he would lick the chests of other patients. Before he was 18, he told a therapist that he was going to be a vampire and suck out the blood of the people around him.

Allowed to leave when he was 18, he was definitely not cured. In 1997, after attacking a friend with a bow and arrow, Rudiger was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

Although his attorney entered a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity for the homeless woman's death, Rudiger was found guilty of second-degree murder. Despite the attorney's request that he be sent to a psychiatric hospital for treatment, he got 23 years to life in prison.

More recently than Rudiger's case is an example of two mentally unstable people role-playing as vampires and encouraging each other's violence.

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Manuela and Daniel Ruda (AP)

In early 2002, a couple who met through a heavy metal rock magazine ad were tried in Bochum, Germany for killing a friend in what appeared to be a Satanic ritual. Manuela Ruda, 23, and her husband Daniel, 26, stabbed Frank Haagen 66 times, beat him with hammers, drank his blood, and left his decomposing body next to the coffin in which Manuela liked to sleep. A scalpel protruded from his stomach and a pentagram was carved onto his chest.

They then drove around awaiting Satan's next order and armed themselves with a chainsaw, just to be "prepared." They were arrested at a gas station.

In court, Manuela claimed that she'd gotten a taste for vampirism when she encountered vampire cults in Britain. With "willing donors" contacted on the Internet, she had learned to drink blood at "bite parties." They would bite all parts of the body except the jugular, which was strictly forbidden. Then Manuela delivered her soul to Satan, who had ordered the "sacrifice" in what she described as an aura of light and energy. She and her husband did commit the crime with which they were accused, they admitted, but they were not responsible. They were merely Satan's instruments and had to "make sure the victim suffered well."

Forensic psychiatrist Norbert Leygraf assessed them and said they were severely disturbed and could kill again. He recommended that they be kept in a secure institution.
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At his trial Dr. Paul Good, his psychiatrist, spoke of Rudiger’s childhood. He was the son of a homeless drug-addicted prostitute and an unknown father. According to Dr. Good, Rudiger sank deeper into mental illness despite years of treatment. “He did not know right from wrong at the time of the crime,” Good said. “The records show him to be psychotic from age 4, one diagnosis after another.” Good added that with an IQ of 81, Rudiger was far from intelligent. Medical records show at age 7 months, Rudiger was found amid filth in the bathtub of his mother's apartment, unattended for two or three days.

He lived in four different foster homes in two years. At the age of 4 he would bang his head, bite his tongue and force himself to vomit. A diagnosis of mentally retardation and psychosis was given at this time. It was also about this time, he later told doctors, that he began living a "double life" in which he saw himself as a ninja warrior.

Rudiger lived in a succession of foster homes until age 15, when he tried to end his rather pitiful life by stabbing himself with a samurai sword (as all good Ninja's do). He spent the next eight months in six different psychiatric hospitals, winding up at Napa State Hospital. Rudiger would sneak out of his room at night and lick the chests of other patients. ``I'm going to be a vampire and suck their blood out,'' he told one therapist. When he left, at age 18, tests showed he was in worse shape than when he went in.

Following this stay in the nuthouse he was sent to an adolescent treatment center in San Jose, but he walked away after three months. Not long after he was picked up by police, carrying a dead fish, saying he was on his way to Japantown in San Francisco and hoped to use a lighter to cook "ninja sushi." (I always thought sushi was raw, but I'm not a ninja, so what do I know)

In 1997, he was arrested for a knife attack on a homeless man. But Joshua got really lucky and the victim died soon afterward in an unrelated incident, so with no one to testify against him police had no choice but to release Rudiger. At the time, he told hospital doctors he was a samurai.

In August, 1997, Rudiger spent six months at Atascadero State Hospital after a bow-and-arrow attack on a 'former' friend. Doctors said then that he was schizophrenic and had bipolar disorder, but in May 1998 they found Rudiger fit for trial. Once again Rudiger got lucky, the victim refused to testify, so Rudiger was placed on probation and ordered to a live-in treatment center.

Soon afterward, he disappeared, moving to a residential hotel in Oakland. Five months after being put on probation, Rudiger began his attacks on homeless people in San Francisco.

Two days before Halloween 1998 Rudiger found 48-year-old Shirley Dillahunty sleeping in a doorway. He pulled out his knife and slashed her throat. He then drank her blood. Rudiger must have been very thirsty because Dillahunty died from a lack of blood.

Within three weeks another three homeless people, all male, unwillingly donated blood to the Vampire Ninja, although none of these men suffered Dillahunty's fate, all surviving their neck wounds.

The local press showed a complete lack of imagination by claiming the attacks were at the hands of "The Vampire Slasher". A truly pathetic effort, and one not worthy of a character as bizarre as Joshua Rudiger. But anyway, back to the story.

Since it was fairly well known that Rudiger was a total nutcase, and that he was a Vampire (or thought he was) it didn't take long to link him to the attacks.

When arrested he told authorities that he had been a samurai in another life who burned down the holiest temple in Japan, killing worshipers, and was punished by God in this life by being forced to drink human blood to maintain his "vitality."

At his trial he pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, but this was rejected by a jury. They chose instead to believe the prosecutions claim that Rudiger’s mental illness was invented so as to escape punishment for the attacks. So the jury chose to ignore the fact that he had been diagrosed as mentally incompetent for his entire life and found his sane. I really do believe that this decision must be one of the most incompetent I've ever heard of.

And what does this decision mean for Joshua? It means he will face prison rather than placement in a mental institution. No help for him, just punishment. How fucking stupid is that?

mariag

18-03-2009, 11:45 AM

emerald

18-03-2009, 12:20 PM

TORI&another mask of hers:

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hunkahunka

18-03-2009, 01:42 PM

Just out of curiousity , what is the difference between MBD and MPD?
You see I was diagnosed with MBD at the age of 4 ( later they call it ADHD) so Im just curious where the line goes .:D

MPD is Multiple personality disorder am I right? and MBD was called Minimal Brain dysfunction. And later they changed the frase to Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. And that is far from having a brain dysfunction but still a "disorder" is MPD still called MPD? or has that also changed hence he was told that he was Schizophrenic as well?

I disagree with this whole mechanized system of 'categorizing' and filing people away under certain manilla folder designations . It smacks of economy, mass production, and b.s.

I was falsely diagnosed with 'Dupytren's Disease' or 'Dupytren's Contracture', for a chronically sore hand, (by the surgeon who was PAID well to perform the unnecessary surgery that maimed the nerves in my hand and
made the pain ten times worse.) In reality, I had some severely torn tendons in my left hand, which could have been treated with immobilation/rest followed up my physiotherapy, massage, and nutritional supplements.
Instead, this plastic surgeon creep made another big car payment on inflicting pain and suffering.

If my experience with this relatively minor ailment is any example of the type of problems created by over-treatment , I can well imagine what went on/goes on in mental hospitals.

Allowing these places to institutionalize people against their wills and keep them there indefinitely , with their overpaid 'jailers' having a very healthy vested interest in keeping them there as long as possible to reap the rewards of 'treating them', leads to situations where monstrous injustices are committed in the name of helping people.

You hear stories of young women/men sent to these places for minor infractions or minor problems, and being basically turned into vegetables with experimental drugs, electroshock etc. Attendant with their incarceration/treatment was a full array of perverse medical sexual abuse
and unnecessary surgeries, ranging from minor to major. Want to bet even the resident dentists at these places got in on it on these people? Why not pull a few extra teeth and double the bill?

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Rachel P. Maines describes in 'The Technology of Orgasm: Hysteria, the Vibrator, and Women's Sexual Satisfaction', all clitoral vibrators and dildos were primarily considered medical devices from the time they were first invented in the late 1880s until the Sexual Revolution of the 1960s, and “artificial" (non-intercourse) inducement of orgasm in women as a medical treatment has been prescribed by physicians since Hippocrates in the fourth century B.C"

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hand- crank medical vibrators 1890- 1920's era

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Electromechanical vibrators were first used in medicine in 1878 and were available as a consumer product by 1900. The vibrator was the 5th home appliance to be electrified. It was preceded by the sewing machine, fan, teakettle, and the toaster. It would be another ten years before the electric vacuum, iron, and frying pan became available as consumer products.

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"the vibrator was developed to perfect and automate a function that doctors had long performed for their female patients: the relief of physical, emotional and sexual tension through external pelvic massage, culminating in orgasm.
a female patient suffering from any number of symptoms labeled "hysterical" or "neurasthenic" could be treated with a vibrator."

hysteria, as it was traditionally defined, was an incurable, chronic disease. "The patient had to go to the doctor regularly," Dr. Maines said. "She didn't die. She was a cash cow."

the 1899 edition of the Merck Manual, a reference guide for physicians, lists massage as a treatment for hysteria (as well as sulfuric acid for nymphomania). And in a 1903 commentary on treatments for hysterical patients, Dr. Samuel Howard Monell wrote that "pelvic massage (in gynecology) has its brilliant advocates and they report wonderful results."

by the turn of the 20th century, about 20 years after Dr. Joseph Mortimer Granville patented the first electromechanical vibrator, there were at least two dozen models available to the medical profession.
counterweighted vibrators, vibratory forks, undulating wire coils called vibratiles, vibrators that hung from the ceiling, vibrators attached to tables, floor models on rollers and portable devices that fit in the palm of the hand.

They were powered by electric current, battery, foot pedal, water turbine, gas engine or air pressure, and they shimmied at speeds ranging from 1,000 to 7,000 pulses per minute. They were priced to move, ranging from a low of $15 to what Dr. Maines calls the "Cadillac of vibrators," the Chattanooga, which cost $200 plus freight charges in 1904

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Chattanooga vibrator

Doctors used vibrators to treat constipation, arthritis, muscle fatigue, inflammation laryngitis and tumors;

A text from 1883 called "Health For Women" recommended the new vibrators for treating "pelvic hyperemia," or congestion of the genitalia.

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'recto-vaginal'/bimanual exam: another medical necessity is that of
inserting one finger up the woman's rectum with another finger simultaneously inserted in the vagina, while pumping downward on the
uterus with the other hand. (still quite prevalent in doctors offices today)

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYyFWe47-V0

Sue speaks about how psychiatry damaged her badly.

Sue was damaged by psychiatry with their toxic psychiatric drugs, electroshock (ECT, Shock) and their bogus mental disorders. Sue was in psychiatric hospitals in Ontario for 18 years from 1972 to 1990

Sue was on these psychiatric wards in Ottawa Royal Ottawa Hospital, Queensway-Carleton Hospital, Monfort Hospital, Ottawa General Hospital. In Brockville, Ontario - the
Brockville Psychiatric Hospital. Sue has been free of psychiatry since 1990. She has not been in a psychiatric hospital nor has she taken any psychiatric drugs since that time. Sue has never felt better.

Sue Clark-Wittenberg of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada discusses how psychiatry harmed her for 18 years from 1972 to 1990 with psychiatrists giving her l5 different bogus psychiatric disorders from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV) and giving her 14 different toxic psychiatric pills. There is no test nor scientific proof that mental illness exists.

Sue's websites:

http://psychiatrybuster.blogspot.com
(Sue's main website exposing psychiatry)

http://symclark.blogspot.com
(Sue's book online - "Behind the Locked Ward - The Sue Clark Story"

http://wittenbergces.blogspot.com
(The Wittenberg Center to End Electroshock)
Sue and her husband Steven Wittenberg founded this center in May 2007 in Ottawa, Ontario.
email Sue: 2005.sueclark@gmail.com

Recommended reading: Paula J. Caplan's Book "They Say You're Crazy: How the World's Most Powerful Psychiatrists Decide Who's Normal" (by debunking and demystifying the process through which the American Psychiatric Association determines who is and who is not "normal". They Say You're Crazy gives the rest of us a fighting chance to avoid becoming victims of the mental health establishment" - the Cleveland
Plain Dealer)

Another book called "Toxic Psychiatry" by Dr. Peter R. Breggin, psychiatrist in NY State Dr. Breggin's website: (www.breggin.com) for other books exposing electroshock and psychiatric drugs for adults and kids

Another book "The Myth of Mental Illness by
Dr. Thomas Szasz His website www.szasz.com

Another book: "Shrink Resistant: The Struggle Against Psychiatry in Canada" co-edited by Don Weitz and Bonnie Burstow

Other websites exposing psychiatry:

www.breggin.com
www.mindfreedom.org
www.ect.org
www.wildestcolts.com
http://capa.oise.utoronto.ca
http://capacanada.wordpress.com
http://endofshock.com
www.szasz.com
www.banshock.org
www.antipsychiatry.org
www.stopshrinks.org
www.psychrights.org

hunkahunka

19-03-2009, 04:04 PM

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Bartonville Asylum for the Incurable Insane

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diagnosis: Female hysteria

Female hysteria
The term originates with the Greek medical term, hysterikos. This referred to a medical condition, thought to be particular to women, caused by disturbances of the uterus, hystera in Greek. The term hysteria was coined by Hippocrates, who thought that suffocation and madness arose in women whose uteri had become too heavy and swollen from menopause or lack of sexual intercourse and created upward pressure pme the heart, lungs, and diaphragm. Originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus" ("Hysterical").

The same general definition, or under the name female hysteria, came into widespread use in the middle and late 19th century to describe what is today generally considered to be sexual dissatisfaction. Typical treatment was massage of the patient's genitalia by the physician and later vibrators or water sprays to cause orgasm.[1]

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cure: hysterectomy

the concept was that women's behaviour, such as simple hysterical mania, nymphomania, and depression ,could be cured by removing the uterus.
In the years that followed the introduction of anesthesia, a woman was likely to find herself on the operating table for just about anything her doctor might decide was wrong with her: overeating, painful menstruation, attempted suicide, and most particularly, masturbation, erotic tendencies or promiscuity. The doctors of the day were convinced - and managed to persuade their patients - that hysterectomy had a calming effect that would render women more "tractable, orderly, industrious and cleanly".23
23. West, ibid, p. 19

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John Weis Speculum Circa 1831
Checkered ivory handle with screw mechanism that opens and closes the blades. Three unplated steel blades with ebony obdurator.

doctors continue to view the uterus as a troublesome, disposable organ. An extract from a 1987 public information booklet on hysterectomy produced by the Royal Australian College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists reassuring states:

Women who have had an hysterectomy are delighted with the result. No longer do they have to plan their lives around their heavy or painful periods. No longer being anemic, they gain fresh energy and life is fuller and happier than it may have been for years.24

to think that the popularity of hysterectomies wasn't in some way related to the financial rewards on the part of Gynaecologists. Australian obstetricians and gynaecologists perform a lot of surgery and earn higher incomes than physicians, surgeons or medical practitioners. In 1991-92 the overall average annual income for full-time obstetricians and gynaecologists was $320,00 per annum with at least 25 percent of them earning more than $550,000 annually from private patients alone. Added to this is income derived from sessional work public patients. Such income is often between $100,000 and $200,000 per annum. 25 In the U.S., gynecologists, hospitals and drug companies make more than 4 billion dollars a year fromthe business of hysterectomy and castration.

In 1994, Dr. West wrote of attending a seminar on medical economics: "The topic was 'How to care for women in order to maximize our fee.' The experts who led the discussion reminded us that gynecologists make the most money by doing surgery and that the highest fee we can generate come from hysterectomy. With that in mind, we were urged to 'cultivate' our patients carefully. Initially care would require advice on contraception. Then, in the normal course of events, we would supervise their pregnancies and deliver their babies. Once a patient had completed her family, we were advised to plant the idea that she might some day need a hysterectomy. The culmination of our years of care would be the hysterectomy. With proper planning, our advisers suggested, each year of practice would produce a lucrative 'crop' of women ripe for hysterectomy.26

hunkahunka

20-03-2009, 01:00 AM

Stan Monteith interviews Bob Fletcher on mind control:

audio:
http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net:8080/031709a.mp3

hunkahunka

21-03-2009, 11:01 AM

NBC VIDEO
Musician rocks the Pentagon
Dec. 15: NBC's Jamie Gangel reports on Doobie Brothers guitarist Jeff Baxter, who is now one of the country’s leading counterterrorism experts.

video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/10478703#10478703

Guitarist Jeff Baxter is a founding member of Steely Dan and a member of the Doobie Brothers. The 56-year-old Baxter has eight platinum albums and two Grammys, but he likes to call himself a hippie rock guitarist with top secret clearances. Now, believe it or not, he's one of the top counterterrorism experts in the United States. “Today” national correspondent Jamie Gangel caught up with Baxter in between top-secret meetings in our nation’s capitol.

One of rock and roll's top guitarists, Jeff Baxter, is best known for his years with Steely Dan and then the Doobie Brothers. He looked the part, lived the part and even had a rocker nickname — “Skunk.”

But it turns out “Skunk” was also interested in something other than music.

(bogus whitewash interview below):

Jamie Gangel: If someone had told you when you were making all those hit songs that some day you would end up a defense expert with every clearance in the world, you would have said?

Jeff Baxter: I would have said, "You're out of your mind."

It began in the mid-’80s, when Baxter started researching music technology. He then started reading about weapons systems, became a self-taught expert and, for the fun of it, wrote a five-page paper on missile defense.

Baxter: So, one day, I don't know what happened. I sat down at my Tandy 200 and wrote this paper about how to convert the Aegis weapon system — why it would make sense to convert it to do theatre missile defense because it would be on a mobile platform and give the United States a new role in NATO in the 21st century. I have no idea. I just did it.

Conservative congressmen Dana Rohrabacher and Ed Royce are Baxter’s biggest fans.

Rohrabacher: I want you to tell me we're not getting BS'd about missile defense and that it's actually going to have an impact here.

Baxter: It's a hard thing to do.

And both men say they appreciate Baxter’s outsider status.

Rohrabacher: Skunk didn’t grow up in the system. He hasn't been beaten down by the system. So his very freedom of thought and his gut-level understanding of technology contributes greatly, and people know that.

Gangel: Are people skeptical when you say you're bringing him in.

Royce: Yeah, I think a lot of people — eyebrows are raised and I think we've gotten a little bit of a hurdle at times, but after he discusses policy we turn people around pretty quick.

Apparently no one much minds the ponytail or handlebar mustache.

At the moment, Baxter chairs the Congressional Advisory Board on Missile Defense. He’s also a highly paid consultant for the likes of Northrop Grumman and General Atomics, to name a few.

Gangel: As you got further and further involved in this, weren't you ever thinking, Wait a minute, I'm a musician, I'm a rock star! [Laughter]

Baxter: Interestingly enough, most of the people grew up listening to my music, and the lieutenant commanders and majors who are now three and four star generals and admirals could sort of relate. [Laughter] You can talk the talk, but you have to walk the walk.

Gangel: Do you ever have a credibility problem?

Baxter: It's been extremely rare. I guess the credibility part was really hard amongst my friends in the music business. Because prior to 9/11, many of them just thought I was nuts. [Laughter] After 9/11, that all changed.

Baxter certainly has no credibility problem here at the missile defense agency. The boss is Lieutenant General Henry Obering.

Gangel: What does he bring to the table that other defense experts don't?

General Henry Obering: In a word: out-of-the-box thinking.

Gangel: Which means?

Obering: Meaning that he comes at problems and he comes at challenges that we may face with a very different perspective.

Gangel: Is there an example you can give me that’s not classified?

Obering: Very few. But when we were looking at how we could build some of the building blocks in the missile defense system, he brought some very innovative ideas.

Despite that contribution, Baxter has not given up his music career. In between meetings, he goes home to California to record a new album. But at the end of the day, while he still loves to play, Baxter says defense work has given him a new kind of satisfaction.

Gangel: Do you miss being a full-time rock star?

Baxter: No, because life to me is a series of adventures, chapters. I have a wall full of gold records, platinum records, awards and I'm very proud of it. But I learned what it meant to have someone say, "We need you in room 125A." And you walk in and there's just two guys there. They shake your hand and say, "Thank you very much, you did a good job." I love what I'm doing and also have the privilege … to work and be in the fight. So, to me, I'm the luckiest man alive.

The truth is that while Jeff Baxter has always been interested in defense technologies, 9/11 really did make him believe that working on national security was a kind of calling.

On a lighter note, you may wonder where his nickname "Skunk" came from. That answer is also top secret — but you can use your imagination.

hunkahunka

21-03-2009, 05:29 PM

video:

Hour 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apjOPf6oeG0

Red Ice Creations film:

This is part two of our series with Michael Tsarion on the Brotherhood of Death. Go to redicecreations.com to watch part one. In part two we look at the Question of Antiquity, The Catholic Fraternities, Alleged Rivalries, Knights Templar. We'll also look into: Masonic Symbolism, Catholic Fraternities, the Knights Templar, the Nazi Connection and much more. Further ahead in the series we'll discuss corruption and masonry and also the fascinating ripper case and the connection to masonry. This is not to be missed! Red Ice Members have the option to watch this series in better quality or download all parts.

Hour 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuXRgf2fB6I&feature=PlayList&p=4B281097CB23DA66&index=0&playnext=1

Hour 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsEoBYRmXe4&feature=PlayList&p=F47B1034DDBCB41F&index=0&playnext=1

hunkahunka

22-03-2009, 12:27 AM

Far Too Many Hysterectomies Still Being Performed
By Robert Bazell - NBC News Correspondent

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - As many as 70% of hysterectomies performed in the US may be recommended inappropriately, results of a recent study suggest.

The hysterectomy -- a removal of the uterus -- is the second most common major operation that women get and ``there are significant concerns among researchers and the public that it might be overused,'' according to study co-author Dr. Michael S. Broder of the University of California in Los Angeles, and colleagues.

The researchers looked at nearly 500 women who had hysterectomies that were not the result of emergency or cancer. Operations were performed in 1 of 9 medical groups in Southern California, over a 2-year period.

About 70% of cases ``were judged to be recommended inappropriately,'' the investigators report.

For example, many of the women did not have an adequate evaluation of the cause of their medical problems. This might have included a laparoscopy to help determine the cause of pelvic pain, or sampling of the uterine lining to determine the cause of abnormal bleeding.

Many women also failed to try alternative treatments, such as medication, before their surgery.

Sixty percent of hysterectomies were recommended due to fibroids (benign tumors that commonly occur in middle-aged women), 11% due to pelvic relaxation, 9% due to pain, and 8% due to bleeding.

``We found that the care leading to recommendations of hysterectomies in our cohort was suboptimal,'' Broder and colleagues conclude in the February issue of Obstetrics & Gynecology.

The authors note that their study results may not be applicable to all women who undergo hysterectomy. They only looked at women from one geographic region and they did not compare the study subjects with women who had similar gynecologic conditions but did not undergo hysterectomy.

The findings do suggest that women and their doctors should work together to determine the cause of symptoms such as pain or bleeding, and explore alternative treatments before resorting to hysterectomy, Broder's team adds. SOURCE: Obstetrics & Gynecology 2000;95:199-205.

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Hysterectomy Hysteria

By Sherrill Sellman <golight@earthlink.net Author of "Hormone Heresy" http://www.ssellman.com

When members of the American College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology met in 1971 their meeting hotly debated the issue of hysterectomies. The overwhelming conclusion regarding whether every woman who is finished with childbearing should have a hysterectomy was summed by gynaecologist Ralph W. White, M.D. He expressed the members' prevailing attitude of respect for the female womb by proclaiming: "It's a useless, bleeding, symptom-producing, potential cancer-bearing organ".1

It's unfortunate that such outdated views persist to the present day. When it comes to women and their reproductive organs, hysterectomies are usually the most popular solution for a range of female problems. How popular? In the U.S., hysterectomy is the most common major non- obstetrical procedure performed on women (caesareans are the most popular) with over 600,000 performed each year even though most of the 'female problems" are medically trivial. One out of three women will have had a surgical menopause before sixty years of age - a hysterectomy that includes removal of the ovaries. To date about 20 million American women have had their uteruses removed. In Europe, the proportion is only one seventh, perhaps because medicine is socialised in several European countries and there is less of a profit motive. 2

However, with the expected arrival of a huge number of baby boomers about to enter menopause, Dr. Stanley West, noted infertility specialist, chief of reproductive endocrinology at St. Vincent's Hospital, New York and author of Hysterectomy Hoax, has predicted that the statistics will soon show that up to 60 % of women in the US will have a hysterectomy by the age of sixty.

England's hysterectomy rates continue to climb. Presently, about 100,00 women annually have this procedure. Some 43 percent of hysterectomies will also involve the removal of one or both ovaries; 60 percent of those operations are performed on pre-menopausal women under the age of 49. 3

In Australia, it is estimated that at least four out of every ten women will have an hysterectomy by the time they turned sixty-five. The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare has reported that the total number of hysterectomies performed in 1994-1995 was 36, 817. There are some locations in Australia that pose a greater risk for keeping female reproductive organs intact. John Archer, author of Bad Medicine, has noted that women in the Hunter region near Newcastle had a 36% higher chance of losing their uterus than others fortunate enough to live elsewhere.4 It seems that the hysterectomy options coincide more with the particular inclinations and surgical abilities of local gynaecologists rather than medical imperatives.

The percentage of hysterectomies which are truly necessary is subject to some debate. According to Dr. West, " more than 90 percent of hysterectomies are unnecessary. Worse still, the surgery can have long-lasting physical, emotional and sexual consequences that may seriously undermine a woman's health and well-being".5 All authorities agree agree, however, that 90 percent of the procedures are "elective", that there are alternatives in at lest 90 percent of cases and that less than 10 percent of the operations are in fact medically necessary.

Of the 110,000 women that the Hysterectomy Education and Resources Foundation, based in Pennsylvania have counselled and referred to board-certified gynaecologists for second opinions regarding a recommended hysterectomy, 98 percent of them discovered that they did not need hysterectomies after all.

What is a Hysterectomy?

A hysterectomy is, by definition, the removal of a vital female organ, the uterus. More than 40 % of the time, the ovaries are also removed in the course of surgery. Sometimes the ovaries, fallopian tubes and cervix are removed along with the uterus. Technically, a hysterectomy refers only to the removal of the uterus while a bilateral salpingo-oopherectomy is the removal of the ovaries and fallopian tubes, However, it is now common for both doctors and women to use the term total hysterectomy which describes the removal of the uterus, ovaries, fallopian tubes and part of the cervix.

The majority of hysterectomies are performed on women between the ages of twenty and forty-nine. When undergoing a hysterectomy, the older the women is the more the likelihood that she will have her ovaries removed. The removal of a woman's ovaries is described as surgical menopause. It creates a radical physiological and psychological change in a woman.

According to Dr. West, "the consequences of losing your ovaries cannot be overstated. Premenopausal women will undergo an 'instant' menopause, complete with symptoms that are far more severe than those that accompany normal menopause which follows a gradual decline in hormone production. The rationale for removing the ovaries during hysterectomy is to prevent ovarian cancer, a terrible disease that is often deadly because it cannot be diagnosed early. (However, there is still some risk of ovarian cancer even if the ovaries are removed because there is ovarian tissue around the ovary making it impossible to totally eliminate the danger.) But statistically, a woman who has had a hysterectomy is at no higher risk for ovarian cancer than a woman who has not had surgery. ...without her ovaries a woman will forever be at higher than normal risk for both osteoporosis and heart disease, both of which represent a far greater statistical threat than ovarian cancer".6

A hysterectomy is major surgery, usually done in a hospital under general anaesthesia and typically women must be hospitalised for several days. Women are generally told that it will take anywhere from six weeks to three month to recover. However, most women say it takes almost a year to recover and some spend many more years tinkering with their hormones in an attempt to feel normal again.

The Risks of a Hysterectomy

There are three surgical approaches to hysterectomy. Abdominal hysterectomy, the most common method, requires an eight-inch incision across the lower abdomen, just above the pubic hair line, to remove the womb (and/or ovaries) through the abdominal wall. About 20 percent of hysterectomies are vaginal procedures. Instead of opening the abdomen, the surgeon approaches the uterus through the vagina, detaches it and pulls it out. The severed tissues are drawn out through the vagina and the wound is sutured internally using a minute stitching gun.

The newest approach to hysterectomy involves the use of a viewing device called a laparoscope. The laparoscope is inserted via a tiny abdominal incision near the belly button. Other surgical instruments are inserted through similarly small incisions. The main advantage of laparoscopic surgery of any type is that a small incision means a shorter hospital stay, less pain and more rapid recovery. Because laparoscopic surgery involves so much less physical strain than conventional surgery, it has become very popular. Unfortunately, however, not all surgeons are as proficient as they should be before attempting the procedure which increases the incidence of botched operations.

If surgeons do their jobs carefully and meticulously, few woman should suffer complications. However, considering the high percentage of complications, there is considerable risk of surgical mutilation occurring. Surgical complications include:

Adhesions: Adhesions are internal scars that develop when tissue surfaces stick together after surgery. As a general rule, because blood contains a sticky component that causes tissues to adhere, any type of bleeding can lead to adhesions. During surgery, adhesions present a risk of injury to a structure that is stuck to the organ being removed. With hysterectomy, the organ most likely to be adhered to my uterus are the bladder and bowel. There is always the danger that new adhesions will develop as a result of surgery. This is most likely to happen when the surgeon does not find and suture off all bleeding surfaces. These new adhesions could complicate any future surgery and/or lead to an intestinal obstruction years after surgery.

Bowel Injury: If the bowel is accidentally cut, clamped or sutured in the course of surgery, the intestinal contents can spill into the abdominal cavity causing infection of the peritoneum, the transparent, cellophane-like sac that surrounds the abdominal organs. The infection peritonitis can be quite serious and if not checked, fatal. More than twice as many hysterectosed women had more problems than non-hysterectomised women not nly with bowel function (chronic constipation) but with urinary frequency.

Bladder Injury: A bladder injury is easily corrected during the operation if the surgeon recognises that the bladder has been cut. If not, there will be a risk of peritonitis. If the injury results in a fistula, an opening, between the bladder and vagina, urine will leak uncontrollably into the vagina. Bladder repair must be done surgically.

Injury to ureter: The ureter is the tube connecting the kidney to the bladder. It is next to the cervix and can be damaged easily. If the ureter is nicked, sewn or kinked during surgery, the outflow of urine from the kidney to the bladder will be blocked, leading to possible kidney damage. Corrective surgery will be needed.

Postoperative bleeding: Such bleeding usually stems from the surgeon's failure to secure the major artery which can lead to haemorrhaging that could be fatal. Surgery will be needed to secure the artery. Oozing blood leads to the formation of adhesions.

Fever and infection: With vaginal hysterectomies there is increased risk of infections due to the exposure to the bacteria of the vagina.

The after effects of hysterectomy are most dramatic. With the removal of the ovaries, surgical menopause is initiated which causes more severe symptoms. In a relatively short period of time, a woman may experience fatigue, insomnia, urinary problems. headaches, dizziness, vertigo, nervousness, irritability, anxiety, heart palpitations, joint pain, weight gain, vaginal dryness, diminished physical strength, difficult or painful sexual intercourse, hair loss and a variety of skin problems.

D.H. Roberts, M.D., a British researcher examined the after effects of hysterectomy. He found that hysterectomy was much more likely to lead to postoperative physical and psychological problems described as "post-hysterectomy syndrome". These symptoms included depression, hot flushes, urinary problems and extreme post-operative fatigue. One or more of these symptoms was found among 70 percent of the patients participating in his study which was published in The Lancet in 1971.

The incidence of post-hysterectomy depression appears relatively widespread. Dr. Susan Love states that some 30 to 50 percent of women suffer from depression while some other researchers estimate the number to be as much at 70 percent. For some it is minor and short lived while for others it becomes a chronic state. Other psychological disturbances include mood change, anxiety and irritability. While there is, no doubt, that feelings of grief can be brought on from a woman's sense of loss of her womb and the accompanying mourning process, there are also biochemical reasons for this depression. The hormonal disruptions brought on by the surgery can be far reaching, affecting the nerve and hormone (neuroendocrine) interactions responsible for a sense of emotional wellbeing.

Hormonal disruption affects substances called beta endorphins which are associated with feelings of wellbeing. Recent research shows that endorphin levels are influenced by a change in levels of the ovarian hormones oestrogen and progesterone. A study at Columbia University showed that oestrogen acts to stimulate release of endorphins from the hypothalamus. This may explain why depression develops when the ovaries are removed or cease to function after menopause.7

Another troubling problem still to be accounted for is an increased risk of heart disease after hysterectomy. The risk of heart disease is greatest when the ovaries are removed. In addition, there are some data indicating that women who have their ovaries removed have higher rates of osteoporosis, even on hormone therapy.8

Since the uterus is the key pelvic organ because it holds the other organs in the pelvic cavity in place, with its removal there is a tendency for the bowel and bladder to prolapse into the open cavity leading to an eventual prolapse in to me vagina. It is also reported that after surgery the hop bones tend to widen causing the entire pelvic area, back, leg and foot problems to develop.

The Rational for Having a Hysterectomy

A Hysterectomy is offered as a treatment for several conditions. In the US, the leading cause for surgery is uterine fibroids, benign growths that, while sometimes troublesome and painful are not life threatening. Fibroids account for about 30 percent of all hysterectomies. Endometriosis ranks second and leads to about 24 percent of all hysterectomies. The third ranking indication is prolapsed, the sagging of the uterus into the vagina due to loosening of the muscular supports that hold it in place. Prolapse account for about 20 percent. (approximately one-third of these operations are performed on women past the age of fifty-five. Endometrial hyperplasia (abnormal proliferation of cells in the endometrium due to excessive oestrogen stimulation) ranks fourth. The remaining 20 percent include menstrual disorders, ovarian cysts, and pelvic inflammatory disease.9

The Australian statistics are similar with fibroids accounting for 22 percent of hysterectomies, endometriosis 6-23 percent, heavy menstrual bleeding 18 percent, prolapse 7-23 percent, cancer 1-12 percent and pelvic inflammatory disease 2-8 percent. Multiple reasons are given for the remaining hysterectomies.10

Dr. Stanley West, an outspoken critic of the gynaecology profession's unwarranted enthusiasm for hysterectomies, states that only 10 percent of all hysterectomies are done for cancer. He warns women that unless cancer is positively identified, it is unlikely that a hysterectomy is required and that they should be very sure that cancer has been found before consenting to the surgery, He says that," Chances are you are in the 90 percent, not the 10 percent ... even women with cancer of the endometrium, ovaries and cervix may have some options".11 According to Dr. West the only 100 percent appropriate reason for performing an hysterectomy is cancer of the reproductive organs.

An hysterectomy is a fairly simple operation that involves detaching the uterus from the ligaments that support it and the blood vessels. Since it is such a straight forward procedure, it should be a safe operation. However, nothing could be further from the truth. Up to one-half of all patients develop complications, some of which can be quite serious. Many of these complications are the preventable outcome of sloppy surgery and may involve damage to the bladder, bowel and ureters. Post-operative bleeding can lead to fatal haemorrhaging and an alarming statistic is that one out of 1000 patients will die.

What Women Aren't Being Told

The medical profession continues to reassure women that their uteruses are disposable organs that they can quite happily live without. In fact, the uterus -free woman, is depicted as a care-free individual released from the drudgery of uncomfortable and debilitating female problems. The 1987 editorial in the prestigious British medical journal Lancet has, no doubt, played an important part in lulling doctors and women into such false sense of security about hysterectomies when it said:

for the woman who is not interested in having children, or whose family is complete, this solution (hysterectomy) is often attractive ... (it promises) relief from her symptom., and other expected benefits - greater reliability at work, availability at all time for sexual intercourse, saving on sanitary protection, freedom from pregnancy and freedom from uterine cancer. 12

To appreciate just how ludicrous such a statement is, it is necessary to have some basic understanding of the female reproductive system. The uterus, or the womb as it is also known, is a muscular organ designed for childbearing. Far from a disposable organ that serves no further purpose after the childbearing days are over, the uterus is the main site for the production of the hormone, prostacyclin which protects women from heart disease and unwanted blood clotting. Since prostacyclin cannot be synthetically manufactured in a laboratory, the removal of the uterus will ensure its production will cease forever.13

The uterus also is an important sex organ. The ground breaking research by Masters and Johnson on human sexuality, revealed that the accelerating pitch of sexual excitement prompts the uterus to contract and rise out of the vagina. At orgasm, it undergoes a series of contractions. All the other so-called orgasms - vaginal, clitoral and nipple - are the initiators of sexual excitement but Masters and Johnson showed that uterine contractions are the end point of this excitement and that female orgasm requires these contractions.14

As a result of a hysterectomy, some of the nerves are severed which would have gone to the uterus also supply parts of the abdomen, the clitoris and the upper thigh. This can lead to a loss of tactile sensation from the waist to the mid thigh region.

Given these findings, there is no doubt that the sexual changes women report after hysterectomy are real, not imagined. Without a uterus there can be no orgasm. Other researchers have also shown than internally induced orgasm occurs when the penis presses hard and repetitively against the cervix, causing movement of the uterus and its supports. (It is also common for the cervix to be removed during a hysterectomy as a so-called preventative measure for cervical cancer).

There is another function of the uterus that is usually not given much credence by the medical profession but is none-the-less an important one. According the Christiane Northrup, M.D., author of Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom , " The uterus is related to a woman's innermost sense of self and her inner worlds. It is symbolic of her dreams and the selves to which she would like to give birth...(and) reflects her inner emotional reality and her belief in herself at the deepest level".15 The uterus is the centre of a woman's creative self.

Aside from the ovary's important function of storing and maturing the eggs, it has another important role as an endocrine gland. As an endocrine gland it produces hormones, before, during and after menopause. Far from the popular myth that ovaries dry out, shrivel up and become completely useless at menopause, the ovaries perform a vital function during the a woman's entire post-menopausal life.

As women naturally age, the part of the ovary that shrinks is known as the theca, the outermost covering where the eggs grow and develop. The innermost part of the ovary, known as the inner stoma, actually becomes active at menopause for the first time in a woman's life.

After menopause, the ovaries continue to function, working in concert with the skin, liver and fat to produce hormones. Celso Ramon Garcia, M.D. director of surgery at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania, USA, is one of the many authorities saying that the hormone produced by the postmenopausal ovaries promote bone health and skin suppleness, support sexual functioning, protect against heart disease and contribute to a woman's health and well-being.16

The ovaries serve more than one function. Reproduction is their most dramatic function but it isn't the only one. These organs have as much to do with the maintenance of a woman's own life as they do with her role in bringing other lives into the world. The menopausal ovary is neither failing nor useless. At menopause it is simply beginning to shift from its reproductive to its maintenance function.

The removal of the ovaries is a great trauma to a woman's body at any age. Since the ovaries are the primary site of a woman's hormone production, surgically removing them immediately puts her into an instant menopause. The effect is so immediate that some doctors put an oestrogen patch on the patient while she is still in the operating theatre. Many women will have severe hot flushes with two hours after surgery. Unfortunately oestrogen therapy doesn't always compensate for the missing hormones since the ovary makes more than just oestrogen. When you lose your ovaries, you also lose progesterone, some of your testosterone and androstenedione (a form of androgen which is an oestrogen precursor ) as well as any other hormone the uterus and ovary might make that medical science is as yet unaware.17

The removal of the ovaries, whether or not hormone therapy is taken, makes a woman more vulnerable to osteoporosis and heart disease than women who experience natural menopause, probably because the body needs more than just oestrogen. The idea that oestrogen therapy can "replace" the work of the lost ovaries is misleading. New data on the other hormones produced by the ovary shows that it can't. Women who have their ovaries removed don't feel normal when only oestrogen is "replaced". This may relate to orgasm, libido and general wellbeing.

The female reproductive system is still very much shrouded in mystery and by no means fully understood by medical science. Dr. Susan Love postulates that, " the earlier menopause caused by ordinary hysterectomy (removing only the uterus) suggests that there may be a connection we haven't yet discovered between the uterus and ovaries - something akin to, or part of, the feedback loop of the brain, hypothalamus, pituitary and ovary. The uterus may produce a hormone that responds to the ovary. Then when the uterus is gone and the feedback ends, the ovary realises it doesn't have any place to drop its eggs, so it stops trying.18

Dr. West's concurs with this view point". Even when the ovaries are left in place, many women develop serious physical and emotional problems. Most are due to permanent ovarian failure. In up to 50 percent of women whose ovaries have been left intact, the ovaries often cease to function normally after hysterectomy. ...we can assume that at least 70 percent of all women who have hysterectomies will encounter some problems". 19

The uterus in the female equivalent to the prostate gland while the ovaries' counterpart are the testicles. The removal of the prostate and testicles results in castration for the man. When the uterus and ovaries are removed, a woman is castrated. No doctor in his right mind would suggest to a man that he have his prostate and testicles cut out unless his life was seriously endangered nor make absurd statements promising him a new and better life. Yet, gynaecologists are all too eager to suggest this serious procedure to women for many minor (and certainly less than life-threatening) complaints. No physician today can assure any woman that an hysterectomy will not affect her sex life. Dr. West warns that it is therefore imperative for women to understand that their uteruses and/or ovaries should not be willingly sacrificed except for the purpose of saving her life.

Even though, it is known that an hysterectomy has a profound physiological and psychological impact on a woman's life, why has it become the most popular non-obstetrical procedure performed women? In order to understand this anomaly, it is essential to understand the historical roots of medical science and gynaecology in particular.

Medical Science, Misogyny and Women

The Greeks invented the word hyster to explain "suffering caused by the uterus" which they believed included just about any physical or psychological malady imaginable. Hippocrates himself asked the question, "What is woman?" and answered it in one word: " disease".

By the seventeenth century, Christianity had embraced the notion that whatever was wrong with women - and this encompassed some non-medical "problems" as sinfulness, sexuality and emotionalism - was due to the reproductive organs they carried within them. Two centuries later, when modern medicine was in its unscientific infancy, physicians fixed on the uterus as the source of just about every complaint a woman might voice.

The "science" of gynaecology has its beginning in the mid-Victorian era when attitudes to women were, at their most bizarre, a curious mixture of contempt and idealism. Women were thought of as pale, delicate flowers who wilted easily. They required great care, even in small matters, preferably under medical supervision.

Women were also "proven" to be intellectually inferior to men. According to the popular 19th-century physician and medical philosopher, Charles Meigs, women's heads were almost too small for intellect but just big enough for love. 20 The prevailing theory cautioned women against developing their intellect since it would cause the uterus to atrophy! Scientific "Studies" published in 1860's demonstrated that while blacks had smaller brains than whites, women had even smaller brains than blacks.

Gynaecology's early ignoble beginnings can be attributed to James Marion Sims. Widely known as the "father of gynaecology", Sims practiced in the southern US state of Alabama in the 1840's. There he began to experiment on Negro slaves. According to Sheila Kitzinger, "This man was able legally to take possession of black women's bodies and to perform surgery on them at will. He actually bought some of the subjects for his experiments. One woman endured thirty sessions of surgery without anaesthesia before Sims was satisfied with the job he had done. Sims became a hero for generations of obstetrician gynaecologists who followed him, many dreaming of world-wide fame".21

The concept of the uterus as a "dominant organ" controlling women's behaviour has obsessed gynaecologists for more than a century, such as simple hysterical mania, nymphomania, depression and even the "uncontrollable urge to waltz", could be cured simply by removing the cause, the uterus. This left the woman passive, happy and relieved of "the cause of menstruation".22

In the years that followed the introduction of anaesthesia, a woman was likely to find herself on t he operating table for just about anything her husband, father or doctor might decide was wrong with her: overeating, painful menstruation, attempted suicide, and most particularly, masturbation, erotic tendencies or promiscuity. The doctors of the day were convinced - and managed to persuade their patients - that hysterectomy had a calming effect that would render women more "tractable, orderly, industrious and cleanly".23

Given all those centuries of misinformation about the female body, it is small wonder that so many of today's doctors continue to view the uterus as a troublesome, disposable organ. An extract from a 1987 public information booklet on hysterectomy produced by the Royal Australian College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists reassuring states:

Women who have had an hysterectomy are delighted with the result. No longer do they have to plan their lives around their heavy or painful periods. No longer being anaemia, they gain fresh energy and life is fuller and happier than it may have been for years.24

It would be naive to think that the popularity of hysterectomies wasn't in some way related to the financial rewards on the part of Gynaecologists. Australian obstetricians and gynaecologists perform a lot of surgery and earn higher incomes than physicians, surgeons or medical practitioners. In 1991-92 the overall average annual income for full-time obstetricians and gynaecologists was $320,00 per annum with at least 25 percent of them earning more than $550,000 annually from private patients alone. Added to this is income derived from sessional work public patients. Such income is often between $100,000 and $200,000 per annum. 25 IN the Us, gunaecologists, hospitals and drug companies make more than 4 billion dollars a year fromthe business of hysterectomy and castration.

In 1994, Dr. West wrote of attending a seminar on medical economics: "The topic was how to care for women in order to maximise our fee. The experts who led the discussion reminded us that gynaecologists make the most money by doing surgery and that the highest fee we can generate come from hysterectomy. With that in mind, we were urged to 'cultivate' our patients carefully. Initially care would require advice on contraception. Then, in the normal course of events, we would supervise their pregnancies and deliver their babies. Once a patient had completed her family, we were advised to plant the idea that she might some day need a hysterectomy. The culmination of our years of care would be the hysterectomy. The culmination of our years of care would be the hysterectomy. With proper planning, our advisers suggested, each year of practice would produce a lucrative 'crop' of women ripe for hysterectomy.26

There are Alternatives

The removal of so many uteruses and ovaries would be more understandable if there were no alternatives available to deal with the problems for which the operation is performed. Fortunately there are. In fact, it is stunning how often dietary, nutritional and emotional/spiritual approaches can heal many of the problems. In many cases there are alternative procedures that while far less drastic are just as successful.

Fibroids: Fibroids are the primary reason women in their thirties and forties are recommended hysterectomies and occur in some 30-50 percent of women. Fibroids are benign, non-cancerous lumps of the muscular wall of the uterus, composed of smooth muscle and connective tissue. They are rarely solitary. and never life threatening although at times they can become uncomfortable and problematic. Most, however cause no problems and shrink at menopause when oestrogen levels decrease. Fibroids are a product of oestrogen dominance: oestrogen stimulates their growth and lack of oestrogen causes them to atrophy

Dr. John Lee, author of What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause , has successfully stopped the growth of fibroids and, in some cases, eliminated them completely by using natural progesterone creams which counter the oestrogen dominant effect.

Dietary changes are also quite effective. Dr. Christianne Northrup has found that, "A woman who...(adopts) a low-fat, high fibre, mostly vegetarian diet will often experience decreased bleeding, bloating and even decrease in t he size of her fibroids. The diet she recommends eliminates dairy products, red meat, chicken and refined sugar. It is advised to eat organically grown food as much as possible to eliminate the oestrogenic effects from pesticides and herbicides. Dr. Northrup reports that "The vast majority of women who treat fibroids though diet get rid of their pain and heavy bleeding within three to six months".27

Surgery is usually only appropriate when women have heavy bleeding or pain that cannot be alleviated in any other way, if they want to become pregnant and the fibroids are a significant hindrance or if the fibroids are interfering with the function of other organs. Even when surgery is required, however, there is usually a better choice than hysterectomy. A procedure called myomectomies which removes the fibroids while leaving the uterus intact does not cause the multitude of problems and symptoms associated with "post-hysterectomy syndrome". However, myomectomies require more skill of the surgeon.

Endometriosis: The second most common problem used to justify hysterectomies is endometriosis. Endometriosis is a condition in which tiny islets of endometrium (inner lining cells of the uterus) become scattered in areas whey they don't belong :the fallopian tubes, within the uterine musculature an d on the outer surfaces of the uterus and other pelvic organs, the colon, the bladder and sides of the pelvic cavity. While the cause of endometriosis is unclear there is no doubt that it is a disease of the twentieth century since it was virtually unknown in the earlier part of this century. Dr. John Lee speculates that this disease has been spawned as the result of the xeno-estrogens (toxic oestrogens found in pesticides and herbicides) from the environment.28

Endometriosis can include symptoms that included incapacitating menstrual cramps, heavy bleeding, nausea and vomiting. There are drug treatments but they have side effects such as using synthetic progestins and, in the end, do not always provide relief. Hysterectomies are often performed on women after the drugs have failed. Unfortunately, surgery does not always alleviate the pain and difficulties. Endometriosis, being aggravated by oestrogen excess will disappear with menopause.

Dietary changes greatly assist in reducing the symptoms of endometriosis. Dr. Northrup reports that " Endometriosis symptoms often disappear completely or lessen dramatically when women follow a low-fat, high fibre diet free of all dairy products (even low fat dairy products).29

Dr. Lee has had success by treating women with natural progesteone cream. He says that, "Since oestrogen initiates endometrial cell proliferation and the formation of blood vessel accumulation in the endometrium, the aim of treatment is to block this monthly oestrogen stimulus to the aberrant endometrial islets. Progesterone stops further proliferation of endometrial cells...the treatment requires patience".30

Pelvic Pain: Sometimes women experience chronic pelvic pain but no diagnosable pathology can be found. While hysterectomies are often done under these circumstances, they fail to relieve the pain 30 per cent of the time. Women have received benefit from using a combination of diet, exercise, natural progesteone, nutritional supplements and emotional exploration.

Menstruation: Unfortunately menstruation is often perceived to be something of a disease by many doctors and thus treat it by removing the uterus. Novak's Textbook of Gynaecology, a widely used textbook in t he 1970's instructs: "Menstruation is a nuisance to most women, and if this can be abolished without impairing ovarian function, it would probably be a blessing to not only to the woman but to her husband...Thus one can make a rather convincing case for the value of elective hysterectomy".31

Women suffering from menstrual irregularities and heavy bleeding have found great benefit from using a range of natural therapies as well as diet, nutrition, and meditation and relaxation techniques.

Cancer: Removal of the reproductive organs is clearly justified and has saved many lives when cancers have developed in these organs. Yet, precancerous changes in the uterus or cervix are often used to justify hysterectomies. This is unfortunate, because the vast majority of these changes can be arrested and reversed without major surgery and without them becoming cancerous.

Regaining control over our bodies

There is, no doubt, that there are valid and justified reasons for having a hysterectomy and that many women who have been suffering from chronic, painful and sometimes life-threatening conditions have indeed benefited immensely from surgery. It is crucial, however, that every women knows exactly what she is getting herself into. After all, it's impossible to just pluck out an organ or disturb the body's balance without paying a price.

For those women who have already undergone hysterectomies, it may be distressful to realise that the surgery may well have been unnecessary. Though nothing can bring back a uterus that has been removed, it can be healing, even years after surgery, to take a quiet moment, place your hands in your belly, thank you uterus for all it gave you and say good-bye. By choosing a healthy diet and life style along with guidance from qualified natural practitioners or complimentary medicne doctors, a woman is able to ensure and maintain her health and wellbeing.

Perhaps the best advice comes from Dr. Stanley West who has written, "The challenge informed women face is to persuade doctors to turn away from the panaceas of the past to the treatments of the future. The last few decades have shown how forceful and resourceful women can be in pursuit of the economic and political power they were so long denied. Just as basic to full autonomy is control of your body and the right to make decisions about your health and health care on the basis of all available information, free from pressure, scare tactics and outdated doctor-knows-best paternalism. It is time we doctors stopped disassembling healthy women. But nothing will change until more women look their doctors in the eye and calmly state their determination to remain intact women".32

Sherrill Sellman is the best-selling author of ":Hormone Heresy: What Women MUST Know About Their Hormones". You can contact her at golight@earthlink.net or www.ssellman

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Facts About Hysterectomy

1. Women experience a loss of physical sexual sensation.

2. A woman's vagina is shortened, scarred and dislocated by hysterectomy.

3. Hysterectomy's damage is life-long. Among its most common consequences, in addition to operative injuries are:

heart disease osteoporosis bone, joint and muscle pain and immobility painful intercourse, vaginal damage displacement of bladder, bowel and other pelvic organs urinary tract infections, frequency, incontinence chronic constipation and digestive disorders altered body odour loss of short-term memory blunting of emotions, personality changes, despondency, irritability, anger, reclusiveness and suicidal thinking

4. No drugs or other treatments can replace ovarian or uterine hormones or functions. The loss of permanent.

5. Most women are castrated at hysterectomy.

6. Twice as many women in their 20's and 30's are hysterectomised as women in their 50's and 60's.

HERS Foundation (Hysterectomy Educational Resources and Services) Newsletter, Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania, USA ____

What the Medical and Scientific Literature say about adverse endocrine effects of hysterectomy and oopherectomy:

1. The uterus is a sexually and hormonally active organ whose removal predisposes to impairment and disease.

2. Prostacyclin, one hormone produced by the uterus, is thought to have a role in protecting women from heart disease throughout life. Hysterectomised women have an elevated risk of death from heart disease over normal, intact women of the same age. this is true when the ovaries are removed or not.

3.The ovaries are biologically active glands whose removal cannot be compensated for.

4. The ovaries have systemic, regulatory functions throughout life which cannot be replicated artificially

5. Whether ovaries are removed or retained, hysterectomised women are expected to have and do have an elevated risk of osteoporosis over normal, intact women of the same age.

6. The ovaries produce a variety of hormones including several types of oestrogens, progesteone and androgens which are released by intricate natural processes into the general circulation in precise and constantly varying amounts in order to maintain the exquisite balance called normalcy. Neither pharmaceutical hormones nor medical/surgical procedures can replicate this normal balance of hormone production, circulation and continual spontaneous adjustment to the body's needs.

Hysterct Footnotes

1. Robbins, John, Reclaiming Our Health, H.J. Kramer, California, 1996, p. 125 2. Love, Susan, M.D., Dr. Susan Love's Hormone Book, Random House, N.Y., 1997 p. 173 3. Simkin, Sandra, The Case Against Hysterectomy, Pandora, London, 1996, p. 8 4. Archer, John, Bad Medicine, Simon & Schuster, Sydney, 1995, p. 193 5. West, Stanley, Dr., Hysterectomy Hoax, Doubleday, New York, 1994, p. 1 6 Op. Cit., p.21 7. Op. cit. p. 44 8. Love, ibid p. 11 9. West ibid p. 23-24 10. Dennerstein, Lorraine, Wood, Carl, Westmore, Ann Hysterectomy, Oxford University Press, Oxford, 1995, P. 15 11. Est., Ibid p. 9 12. Anon, 'Treatment of menorrhagia', Lancet , 15 August 1987, pp 375-6 13. The People's Doctor, Newsletter, October 1989 14. West, Ibid, p. 49 15. Robbins, Ibid, p. 125 16. Celso Ramon Garcia et al, "Preservation of the Ovary: A Revaluation," Fertility and Sterility , 42(4), Oct. 1984, pp 510-14 17. Love, Ibid, p. 176 18. op.cit. p. 177 19. West, ibid, pp. 31-32 20. Achterberg, J., Woman as Healer , Random Century, Sydney, 1990, p. 128 21. Archer, ibid., p. 190 22. op.cit. 23. West, ibid, p. 19 24. Hysterectomy: An Important Decision, pamphlet, Royal Australian College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologist. 25. "Birthing Issues", Review of Professional Indemnity Arrangements for Health Care Professionals, Department of Human Services and Health, Canberra, 1993, p. 11 26. West, ibid., pp. 28-29 27. Robbins, ibid, p130 28. Lee, John M.D., What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause, Warner Books, Ne York, 1996 p. 241 29. Robbins ibid p.131 30. Lee, ibid p. 242 31. Robbins, ibid p. 132 32. West ibid p. 189

Warmest regards,

Sherrill Sellman

P.O. Box 690416
Tulsa, OK USA
74169-0416
Ph: 918-437-1058
Fx: 918-437-1258

Author of "Hormone Heresy" http://www.ssellman.com

hunkahunka

22-03-2009, 01:01 AM

quote:

I am a 37 years old and in 2002 ( age 33) I was told that I had a severe case of ENDOMETRIOSIS and needed an immediate a Total Abdominal Hysterectomy-Bilateral Salpingo-Oophorectomy, I asked if I could put it off due to the diagnosis in December I wanted to wait until January. My doctor told me that my case was life threatening and that I should not wait. On December 9th 2002 I had a Total Abdominal Hysterectomy. Once I was released from the hospital the pain that had sent me to the ob-gyn in the first place was still there. I went back to his office and he explained that the endometriosis may have spread to my intestines, and sent me that day to a GI physician, the GI doctor looked at a CT scan that had been done in NOVEMBER 2002 before my hysterectomy and took me in his office to explain that I had a severe case of GALL BLADDER STONES and needed to REMOVE my gallbladder ASAP. I had my gallbladder removed on March 12, 2003, this is when all the pain went away, after pulling all my doctor records and researching I found that every organ that was removed during my Hysterectomy was NORMAL!!!! and the procedures and tests that could have been done to show my doctor that I did not have endometriosis was never ordered, and when he opened me up he states on his Surgical Report no endometriosis noted. I have dealt with the anger and every symptom that goes with a TOTAL ADOMINAL HYSTERECTOMY and would like to speak to other women that have gone through the surgery and women who may have found out later that they did not need it done, or question if they really needed a hysterectomy with all the alternative medicines and procedures that are available and have been available for years. Thank you and please write me and tell me your story and the state you are writing from, TRACEY

hunkahunka

22-03-2009, 10:09 AM

La Salle Military Academy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
. In 1926, the school purchased the estate of Frederick Gilbert Bourne, of the Singer sewing machine company, which featured a 110-room mansion, Indian Neck Hall, overlooking Great South Bay, Long Island
and Singer Castle, on Dark Island in the Thousand Islands (the building had been designed by Ernest Flagg).
Alumni include numerous famous people, including Hollywood movie director John Frankenheimer, former New Hampshire Governor and White House Chief of Staff John H. Sununu, former Nicaraguan President and dictator Anastasio Somoza Debayle, and former U.S. Congressman from New York John M. Murphy (1965 graduation speaker). It also had a large New York mafia family patronage, including sons of the Gambino crime family.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/13/SomozaBrothers.JPG/180px-SomozaBrothers.JPG

Anastasio Somoza García fondling his sons Luis Somoza Debayle (left) and Anastasio Somoza Debayle (right)

Nicaragua has experienced several military dictatorships, the longest one being the rule of the Somoza family for much of the 20th century. The Somoza family came to power as part of a US-engineered pact in 1927 .[21] Somoza deposed Sacasa and became president on January 1, 1937 in a rigged election.[16]

Anastasio Somoza Debayle was part of the Somozo cocaine dynasty/brutal dictatorship, installed by the CIA/Skull n' Bones, that ruled Nicaragua from1936 - 1979, and was overthrown in 1979. The CIA/Skull n Bones then launched a covert guerilla/counterrevolutionary war on Nicaragua
via the mercenary Contras ('contras' is an abbreviation for 'counterrevolutionaries') to wrest back control of Nicaragua and its cocaine traffic.
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The flag of Nicaragua was adopted on August 27, 1971 during the reign of Anastasio Somoza Debayle (note the masonic pyramid and the rainbow forming the upper lid of an eye)

hunkahunka

22-03-2009, 12:48 PM

Dictionary: bat·man (băt'mən)

n.
A British military officer's orderly.

Batman came down to English from French in the 18th century. It was derived from ‘bast’ (to carry) meaning packsaddle. Bastard came from ‘fils de bast’, an offspring born on the packsaddle. The two words are uncomfortably close in origin

Batman is also known as ‘orderly’. He is a regular soldier taken out of combat and made to serve an officer at home. There must be thousands of batmen in the army. The same is true of the Indian army.

Batmen do everything, from carrying loads to cooking. There can be more than one batman with one officer. For the higher echelon, a batman could be attached for life.

I have two versions. And both cannot be challenged. The first is from the British word expert John Ayto. He is sure that the word came down to English from French in the 18th century. It was derived from bast meaning pack-saddle.

The word bast was borrowed from Latin bastum which meant pack-saddle. The Latin word was from Greek where the word meant to carry. Old French bast became bat in modern French. It is quite natural that batman derived from it literally one who carries.

The French also derived their word batard from it which was once bastard in Old French and was taken by English as such. How did this come about? The earliest expression was fils (son) de bast meaning packsaddle son, an illegal offspring born while you are travelling away from home.

The other version is from a German word expert Dr Ernest Klein. He says that batman is from the French word bat which means pack-saddle. And he leaves it at that. His derivation of bastard is less convincing. He thinks it comes from a Teutonic root bansti meaning barn. Hence someone (illegally) born in a barn!

I am inclined to the view that both words bastard and batman are derived from bast meaning pack-saddle. I say this because English bastard is taken from French batard which Dr Klein ignores. We can go on to the word bast.

Bast as carry is dangerously close to baste as a kind of sewing. It is also related to French batir (to build) and can be found in English bastion and French name of the jail called Bastille. Today baste in English means to sew loosely. In Persian bastan means to bind. And Klein allows it in bandobast (administration), a word the British Raj used quite a lot.

From Persian bastan (to bind) we have band (knot) and bandah (bound, servant) and bandagi (service), etc. I think that bast as linked to saddle could be related to this general root. A saddle is close to the sense of tying a knot than to the sense of carrying.

There is no doubt that Persian band as derived from bastan is identical with English bind and band (knot). The schoolbag carried by children is bastah because of its knot. Whether it is possible to link the act of tying up and the act of building I cannot say, but I am greatly tempted.

After all this, we can conclude that batman was the person who did the bandagi. We know that band (knot) has come from Persian bast (act of binding). And anyone who is bound by duty is a bandah. An afterthought: English word bandana is not from Spanish but from Hindi. It means dying in the tie-and-dye process. Bandana is a handkerchief dyed through that process.

http://www.reelmovienews.com/images/gallery/batman-the-joker_333x500.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/a_pollett/JOKER03.JPG

The ancestor of the modern Joker is the classic tarot's Fool.
In tarot games the Fool takes cards of high rank in the same way modern Jokers do.

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during the Renaissance, the age during which the tarot was enjoyed in most European countries, inspiration acame from cultures which up to then had been proscribed (banished). Among the latter, for instance, was the Jewish tradition; in particular, the interest of several Renaissance scholars was caught by its mystical-hesoteric doctrine, the Kabbalah.

the original Italian name of the card, il Matto, should be discussed: "Fool" is a slightly too liberal interpretation of this expression, for which a closer translation would probably be "the Lunatic" or "the Madman".
In older times, when freedom of speech was yet to come, lunatics have always been entitled to express themselves freely, to say things which others could not, simply because their crazy words would not be given credit, although sometimes they were true: their insanity almost acted as a sort of intellectual shield or privilege. In most archaic cultures, an altered state of consciousness, or even sleep, was believed to act as a psychic bridge between man and God. In the Bible, for instance, several personages foresee future events or are given instructions by holy messengers in their dreams. In the same way, psychic alteration was often seen as a form of link with evil entities: the numberless cases of "possession" dealt with by exorcists in the past, today would certainly receive a more rational assessment.
Also the ritual state of self-induced trance practised by tribal shamans and bush-doctors is a typical example of this archetypal concept, once very common in the primitive world. However, evident traces of this model can still be found in western hesoterism: for instance, could a medium ever claim to be in contact with misterious entities without falling in a trance?

hunkahunka

23-03-2009, 02:33 PM

Re: CIA drug trafficking from Nicaragua:
Alex Jones special show on murdered reporter Gary Webb, who
exposed U.S. government involvement:

Part 1
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/alex_jones_-_the_gary_webb_show_part1.mp3
Part 2
http://www.radio4all.net/responder.php/download/10663/12686/19427/?url=http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/alex_jones_-_the_gary_webb_show_part2.mp3
Part 3
http://www.radio4all.net/responder.php/download/10663/12686/19428/?url=http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/alex_jones_-_the_gary_webb_show_part3.mp3

hunkahunka

23-03-2009, 05:36 PM

Satanic ritual excerpt from 1966 French film 'Angelique and the King'

Rituel satanique - 1966 Angelique Et Le Roy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa_5HXU1nIg

note the iron cross/cross-pattee
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IRON CROSS HUMAN SACRIFICE
OF A BEAUTIFUL YOUNG WOMAN

From Rayelan Rushbacher
Gunther once told me a story about the peasants near the Black Sea who had
>destroyed a group of blood drinkers with only pitchforks and wooden spears.
>He described the ritual that blood drinkers put their victims through. It
was
>a sword dance where the victim was progessively sliced, not to kill the
victim
>or cause them to bleed, but to raise the level of terror to a certain point
>where the soul was at its most powerful and then could be extracted. These
>people used a device. It was so heavy that it took four of them to plunge
it
>into the heart of the victim. I was not clear on whether the blood of the
>victim also went into the four people who held the device, or if is was
only
>the energy of the person.
>
>In this ritual, all four people shared the life or soul energy of the
victim.
>This enabled them to live forever, as long as they had their device and
>victims
>
> But Gunther said that his ancestors led the group of peasants to destroy
>these people. He said they took the device and rowed out into the middle of
>the black sea and threw it in there. He also says the device is the
reason
>the sea is called the Black Sea. He says that there are still many Satanist
>groups near Odessa.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Below is another email to me about the story of the Sacrifice and how it is done and undoubtedly will be used through the SOLAR CROSS EVENT this AUgust..
Barbara,

The story is an incredible one. I have a lot of details other than the cross.
Maybe one day, when I have the time, I will write it.

It involves true love, sexual torture, a torture sword dance, and a beautiful
nude woman spread eagle on the floor. The swordsman was a dancer also. His
movements were like a ballerinas.

The sacrifices were usually beautiful young women. they used young women
because the fear level is the highest in young women.

Once she was tied down she was usually raped by the ones who weren't
privileged enough to be part of the cross ritual... only four people could
carry the cross.

After the dancer had sliced her to pieces... the four men or women with the
cross began their own kind of dance and chant... they circled the body
chanting some ritual chant, and at the right time, they thrust the downward
pointing spike into her heart.

I do not remember Gunther telling me that blood spurted up through the cross device... but it certainly seems possible that it did. What he said is that
the life force of the young woman would be sucked up into the black cross and radiated out the four arms of the cross.

The handles at the ends of the cross were not at 90 degree angles. the
energy wouldn't flow properly around a 90 degree angle. There was a slight
curve. One of these days I will find the drawing Gunther made of the device.
I am sure I saved it... unless it is with all my things that were left in
Austria.

I am thinking about trying to write this up as a short story. I know that the
time frame was shortly after his relatives migrated from the Iraq area to
Hungary... they sojourned for a while by the black Sea... the migration took
several hundred years.

http://www.wiolawapress.com/crossof/crossof_ritual1_copy.jpg

then there is this to consider:

http://www.orderstjohn.org/osj/sealmano.gif
The Seal of the Priory of Manosque, France

http://www.orderstjohn.org/osj/cross04.gif

http://www.dreammovies.net/synopsis3/Angelique%20et%20le%20roy.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iXIo11DlPGY/SCfaggIHAdI/AAAAAAAABcQ/FeifCTDJ80E/s400/Fleur-de-Lis-Wall-Tapestry-C12776350.jpg
there is something iron/metallic looking about this

lightworks

23-03-2009, 06:46 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGe6GP4lALU

supertzar

24-03-2009, 02:44 PM

Am I dense or has this thread gone permanently off-topic?

hunkahunka

24-03-2009, 04:17 PM

quote

I've suddenly had a rekindled interest in the subject of Kurt Cobain's death. I've read Kurt's notebook thing, which by the way was compiled with the help of Courtney Love... and I've read a lot of biographies about Kurt. I worshipped that guy as my God for many years. I still love him and miss his presence.

Anyway, lately I've had this problem with both the theory that Courtney alone was responsible for Kurt's death AND that he committed suicide. I don't believe either of them. He was killed, obviously... but this "suicide job" has too many eerie similarities with other more obvious CIA "suicide jobs", such as Phil Schneider, James Forrestal, etc.

Researched supposed CIA hits often show that the perpetrators often seem to have such an arrogance that they can get away with it because it's their job and they have immunity as long as they can get in and out without being caught, that they often overlook details. An example would be the Phil Schneider case. He was found to have been suffocated to death with medical tubing... but he did that to himself. James Forrestal had jumped to his death from the balcony of the hospital he had been committed to, yet somehow the door to the balcony had been locked from the inside... amazing mental powers James must have had, and amazing he would use them at such inappropriate and pointless times.

It seems that drugged out crazed people hiring hitmen would be a little more paranoid, and the hitmen themselves would be quite a bit more thorough in making it seem like an open and shut suicide case. If I had been a professional hitman being paid an entire year's salary to kill someone and make it look like a suicide, I would've made damn sure there were no questionable loose ends.

Now, in Kurt's case, there was a couple of BIG problems. Had he used the shotgun to kill himself, his entire head would have been mangled beyond recognition, but the person who photographed his body and his photo ID said that he was easily recognizable. The shotgun was found laying on his chest, as if just being set there gently. Remember, the gun was FIRED, and anyone who's shot a shotgun knows that the recoil is a bit of a jerker. That gun would at most be only partially propped upon his body... because it's most likely that the recoil would've made the gun bounce and land slightly askew of where it was fired... not laid neatly on top of the body. There was a tidiness about the whole crime scene. No clear figerprints. A nice tidy heroin kit, a nice convenient suicide note.... actually two notes, one which has never been made public.... possibly because it may have been addressed to a specific family member, but also possibly due to it being too ridiculous to claim as evidence without someone seriously questioning it... like the supposed miraculous superman passport which was found and later retracted in connection with the 9/11 "attacks". I know the minds of drug addicts and desperate or sneaky people. They would think that leaving a room TOO tidy would be suspicious, so they would throw things around, make a mess, leave the heroin equipment sloppily everywhere. Drug addicts are desperate, not idiots.

Another highly suspect thing that I do not believe a crazed widow of a FAMOUS RICH ROCK STAR could get away with doing is bribing the King County Police Department to do such shoddy investigative work. Anybody else, and they do a full investigation, combing each little facet of the crime scene for possible evidence of foul play. As you can see with the Phil Specter case, not even fame and fortune can get you off the hook. Courtney Love being the next to nobody besides "Kurt's Wife" that she was, should've been questioned thoroughly once the police noticed the lack of figerprints and the inconsistencies in the handwriting and the severely lethal heroine dosage coupled with the tidiness of everything... but no, they went in with a preconceived notion and it was pretty much open and shut. To this day, the KCPD refuses to open the case back up, despite the overwhelming evidence of foul play. Any regular joe comes in and has new information about a suicide case of an affluent suburban white guy, and they give the guy their undivided attention. I don't think Courtney was in any position of fame at that time to have any swaying power over a whole police jurisdiction. I'm not saying she was completely innocent, either. I think she was planted in Kurt's life as a psychological component to whoever's plan this was.

Greg Sage, lead singer of perhaps Kurt's (and definitely mine) favorite band The Wipers did an interview a while back where he talked about the record companies and their shady behavior, along with his slight suspicion about Kurt's death. It seems to me Greg was indirectly implying that he thinks the Record Industry murdered Kurt because he was going to quit the business and go back to his indie roots. Hre's a link and a quote or two:

Interview with Greg Sage of The Wipers (http://www.smokebox.net/archives/interviews/sage801.html)

"Smokebox: You’ve mentioned Kurt Cobain in some of your past interviews, and he produced the "14 Songs for Greg Sage and the Wipers" CD; things didn’t end up too pleasantly for him, either. It seems that the big industry push in the nineties that had Nirvana as the next big thing, it seems that was just too much for him to handle. You knew him personally, didn’t you?

Sage: Yeah.

Smokebox: Do you think that was a big part of it, that the industry tried to make a big money machine out of his band?

Sage: Well, I can’t really speculate other than what he said to me, which was, he wasn’t at all happy about it, success to him seemed like, I think, a brick wall. There was nowhere else to go but down, it was too artificial for him, and he wasn’t an artificial person at all. He was actually, two weeks after he died, he was supposed to come here and he wanted to record a bunch of Leadbelly covers. It was kind of in secret, because, I mean, people would definitely not allow him to do that. You also have to wonder, he was a billion-dollar industry at the time, and if the industry had any idea at all of him wishing or wanting to get out, they couldn’t have allowed that, you know, in life, because if he was just to get out of the scene, he’d be totally forgotten, but if he was to die, he’d be immortalized.

Smokebox: That’s quite a statement.

Sage: Don’t get me wrong on that subject, I’m not trying to state that I thought that he was murdered due to his wish to get out of the Nevermind hit record mindset. It was just an odd set of circumstances up to that point. So, I always kind of wonder about that end of the business, because when you’re a billion-dollar industry, you’re not a free artist at all, you’re just under a state of Mafia control. I mean, I even had my life threatened, basically twice, from that end of that establishment, because of some people wanting to put out movies with, including some songs that I wrote. I was basically told, for my own good, to say no, and I would say to them, "well, so okay, I wrote a song, and if someone wanted to pay me a million dollars to use it, I should say no?" And they said, "Correct." And they’d just say, "it’s in your best interests." So, I can’t say my life was threatened, but the tone of it was very, very uh…

Smokebox: …Ominous?

Sage:…very, very ominous! And then when I’d say, "Well, are you guys planning on paying us royalties for the stuff of mine that they’ve covered, that you’ve released?" and they would hang up. So, you can formulate your own opinion off that, I’m not going to say, but that end of the business is really, as you said, ominous.

There's more just below the quoted text that is interesting...

It is of my opinion that the Corporations, the Secret Societies, The Elite, the "Illuminati", all the Covert Alphabet agencies of the world... are all one and the same, controlled by the same people... so be it the record industry that killed Kurt for profit, or be it the CIA that killed Kurt because he was an MK gone astray, I'm not sure... but I'm leaning towards a bit of both and a bit more.

Let me explain a little bit more. First of all, Kurt had had a drug problem for a few years before he became famous. Krist Novoselic has said that Kurt first told him that he was doing heroin in 1989, and heroin isn't something you are proud of... so I'll bet he had been doing it for more like a year prior to that.
My friend Jason, a very talented guy not so dissimilar to Kurt Cobain which is why this is all the more personal, is also a heroin addict. I haven't talked to him in about a year, but the last time I talked to him, he had been having trouble finding a place to live and trouble holding a job...which Kurt also had many problems with... and every few months or so, he volunteers to go to Missouri to be part of some in his very own words government "MKULTRA experiments". In return, they give him a 2 month free room and board, 3 doses of morphine and 10 cigarettes a day, and around 3000 bucks. For a down and out drugged up musician, that's like heaven.

He didn't tell me where in Missouri, but all I say is that it is probably a government lab facility and it is probably restricted access. Possibly near St. Louis, but this is all just a guess. He didn't tell me too many details. If he did, I'd probably be smart not to blab too much about it.

I've started thinking about this a lot lately because I have had all these dreams with Kurt Cobain in it, and I feel like I'm in a position to better understand what has happened because I've been pretty involved in the indie scene these past few years. It's a volatile scene as of lat... many bands breaking up. Many people going off the deep end with drugs and mental problems, and then I think about what my friend Jason and a couple others have told me about their own personal experiences with MKULTRA, and it just makes me wanna do something. It makes me wanna investigate these things more, but I'm afraid to because I am not immune to all of this either. I'm a musician in the scene and I have experienced just lots of bad combined with weird # in rapid succession... and each thing that happens, I find myself waking up to a more and more alien and sinister and unnatural world system of control which leaves absolutely no stone unturned...

I know enough to know that everything we think we know is a lie, and that every single individual subversive to the system has the power to change the world if they can wake up enough... and that's enough to question this and everything else thoroughly. We need to look back at every single thing that has ever happened in our history and rethink it. Kurt Cobain is like my brother I never knew, and sometimes I feel like I'm literally channeling his essence when songs come out of me... So.... I get really emotional when talking about Kurt. He's too much like family to me, which is strange to most people. He indirectly taught me to question preconceived notions. The Kurt Cobain murder thing was the first conspiracy I ever discovered. I rented the Kurt and Courtney documentary in like '97 when I was like 11 and I was SHOCKED! How could something like that be ignored? My first exposure to the subversive influence of mass media. Even that documentary in the end tries to dismiss the murder claims, but they are undeniable. Someone is killing and controlling our artists, either directly or indirectly. I've experienced some scary stuff myself, and I'm a nobody. I've become kind of a recluse this past year. It hasn't been a great year for me and the musician lifestyle.

I'm hanging in there, I guess. Dulling the pain is too temporary for me. Feeling the pain is pushing me to actually do something. Unfortunately, my car is busted, my bank account is dry, and my bike has a flat tire. I'm currently living in my mom's basement surviving off food scraps, and I honestly cannot keep a job without feeling like there's just something horribly wrong with the whole concept and saying "# it!" after about 3 months. 9 months is my world record for longest job ever held. There's just something about it, man. I am not a slacker at work. I just think that something is very screwed up about the whole system, and this goes back all the way to the feeling I had all through school...

When the great artists of our time are dying off and the artist within you is faced with either submitting to the one choice system or becoming a derelict or something... it's just very mentally disturbing. Looking around, and instead of seeing compassion, you're met with hateful resentment and apathy because you aren't submitting to the one choice that everyone else has submitted to... I wouldn't blame Kurt for having gotten into something way too big for him to control. The initial cushiness that being on a major label and being a big time rock star offers seems like a sweet release from the constant mental struggle that being a tortured nobody constantly forced to conform to a zombified glorified slave state. He didn't realize what he was getting into until it was too late. When you're up that high, the problems of the world are much more visible. I wouldn't be surprised if many celebs accidentally stumble upon shocking truths.

hunkahunka

24-03-2009, 06:41 PM

Cobain appeared on the cover of the gay magazine 'The Advocate'
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The Dark Side of Kurt Cobain: Nirvana's Frontman Shoots From the Hip (Cover-story). The Advocate, February 9, 1992

excerpt from the interview:
AD: Because people thought you were gay and you had gay friends, did you ever wonder if you might be gay?

KC: Yeah, absolutely. See I’ve always wanted male friends that I could be real intimate with and talk about important things with and be as affectionate with that person as I would be with a girl. Throughout my life, I’ve always been really close with girls and made friends with girls. And I’ve always been a really sickly, feminine person anyhow, so I thought I was gay for a while because I didn’t find any of the girls in my high school attractive at all. They had really awful haircuts and fucked-up attitudes. So I thought I would try to be gay for a while, but I’m just more sexually attracted to women. But I’m really glad that I found a few gay friends, because it toally saved me from becoming a monk or something.

I mean, I’m definitely gay in spirit, and I probably could be bisexual. But I’m married, and I’m more attracted to Courtney than I ever have been toward a person, so there’s no point in trying to sow my oats at this point. [Laughs] If I wouldn’t have found Courtney, I probably would have carried on with a bisexual lifestyle. But I just find her totally attractive in all ways.

AD: She has been described as a fag hag-

KC: Oh, she is. That was all she did for about five or six years of her life-hang out in gay clubs. She learned everything about perfume and fashion from her friends.

Kurt Cobain met Courtney Love at Club Satyricon in Portland

Satyricon is an ancient Roman love story about the gay life of a sixteen year old boy during the reign of Nero.

It was made into a film by Federico Fellini in 1969

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boy-toy Gitone (Max Born, left) and lover Ascilto (Hiram Keller)

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Director Federico Fellini before the 1969 release of "Satyricon" (Fellini's Satyricon). He was inspired by Petronius' bawdy and satirical stories set during Nero's reign.

Plot summary for
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In first century Rome, two friends, Encolpio and Ascilto, argue about ownership of the boy Gitone, divide their belongings and split up. The boy, allowed to choose who he goes with, chooses Ascilto. Only a sudden earthquake saves Encolpio from suicide. We follow Encolpio through a series of adventures, where he is eventually reunited with Ascilto, and which culminates in them helping a man kidnap a hermaphrodite demi-god from a temple. The god dies, and as punishment Encolpio becomes impotent. We then follow them in search of a cure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R75FsZxIB1A

I've torn between giving this five stars for the quality of the production and none for the perversion of it all. Set in Nero's Rome, it's more of a two-hour plus dream sequence than a film with any kind of story. Fellini fills this film with every type of surreal image and kind of debauchery he could get away with in 1969 -- pedophilia and buggery, S&M and cannibalism, to name a few. And of course it has all the colorful freakish folks Fellini is famous for. Not for the faint of heart or morally pure. But if you're looking for something a little out of the ordinary, this might be the film for you. Themes of homosexual behavior throughout, and some graphically violent images, but no worse than most of the horror films released in the last 20 years.

hunkahunka

24-03-2009, 07:03 PM

considering that Rome was a slave society, complete with homosexual boy- servant slaves, interesting that two child mk slaves Cobain and Love eventually met at 'Club Satyr':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROHjdYt80k4&feature=related

hunkahunka

26-03-2009, 02:06 PM

trailers for a couple of mind-control related horror movies:

the first one is a film called Perkins 14

Synopsis

Perkins' 14 follows the life of Ronald Perkins (Richard Brake), who becomes mentally unstable when his parents are brutally murdered inside their home when he was six years old.[1][2] His paranoia has him convinced that the killers will return in the future to kill him as well.[1][2] At age 34, Perkins snaps and kidnaps 14 people from his hometown of Stone Cove, brainwashes them, and creates a unified team of psycho killers.
video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSsruV9jJUg&feature=related

the second one is a film called Blood Dolls

Plot summary for Blood Dolls (1999)

Virgil Travis is a wealthy, soulless psychopath who lives in seclusion in his mansion home with his dwarf butler. Tortured and forcibly mutated as a child by a woman who put him through body transforming procedures, Virgil has an abnormally sized head. Basking in the suffering, degradation, pain, and death of others, Virgil has already killed, and kidnapped a female rock group that he keeps imprisoned in his basement to help satisfy his constant need for perverse amusement.

Never satisfied, though, Virgil decides that he will once again try to fill the emptiness that exists within him, and so creates a trio of deformed, living dolls to systematically murder any and all people who have ever wronged him.

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-HYSBEH3ts

hunkahunka

26-03-2009, 08:01 PM

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Fla. prosecutors take new look at Anna Nicole Smith’s death

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The Broward County, Fla., State Attorney’s Office said Wednesday it is taking a fresh look at the death of Anna Nicole Smith, which was blamed on an accidental drug overdose.

The announcement comes less than two weeks after California authorities arrested the former Playboy Playmate’s boyfriend and two doctors on charges they illegally conspired to provide Smith with thousands of prescription pills. Broward prosecutors are examining California officials’ evidence to see "where it might lead in relation to Ms. Smith’s death," said Ron Ishoy, a Broward State Attorney’s Office spokesman.

Smith, 39, collapsed Feb. 8, 2007, in her room at the Hard Rock Casino & Hotel in Hollywood, Fla., and was pronounced dead about an hour later.

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Legal experts say if authorities find evidence that one or more people illegally supplied Smith with the prescription drugs blamed for her death, a charge as high as first-degree murder could result.

Prosecutors "may present this case to a grand jury to determine whether or not this is a first-degree murder case or any other type of criminal violation," said Ken Padowitz, a former Broward County homicide prosecutor who is now a defense attorney.

Florida law says people can be charged with first-degree murder if they illegally provide a drug that ends up killing someone, said Padowitz, who is not involved in the case.

Another possible charge could be manslaughter by culpable negligence, he said.

Ishoy said the inquiry by the State Attorney’s Office is related to the arrests this month of Howard K. Stern, 40, and Drs. Sandeep Kapoor, 40, and Khristine Eroshevich, 61.

They were charged in California with conspiracy to provide Smith with drugs, unlawfully prescribing a controlled substance and prescribing, administering or dispensing a controlled substance to an addict. They are free on bail, and have said they’re not guilty.

Until now, the Broward prosecutor’s office’s role in the case had been limited to providing legal help to Seminole tribal police, who investigated Smith’s death, Ishoy said. The Hard Rock is on the Seminole Indian reservation.

The Broward Medical Examiner’s Office determined that Smith died of an accidental overdose of prescription drugs, with an infection and possibly the flu contributing to her death.

The medical examiner’s office ruled out homicide, but prosecutors could argue against that if they find new evidence, Padowitz said.

majorlee

26-03-2009, 08:20 PM

pipsicle

27-03-2009, 07:09 PM

Terrible.

hunkahunka

28-03-2009, 07:05 PM

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Donald Ewen Cameron (1901-1967) was a Scottish-American psychiatrist. Born in Bridge of Allan, he graduated from the University of Glasgow in 1924.

Cameron lived and worked in Albany, New York, and was involved in experiments in Canada for Project MKULTRA, a United States based CIA-directed mind control program which eventually led to the publication of the KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation manual.

Cameron was the author of the psychic driving concept which the CIA found particularly interesting. In it he described his theory on correcting madness, which consisted of erasing existing memories and rebuilding the psyche completely. After being recruited by the CIA, he commuted to Montreal every week to work at the Allan Memorial Institute of the McGill University, and was paid $69,000 from 1957 to 1964 to carry out MKULTRA experiments there. The CIA appears to have given him the potentially deadly experiments to carry out, as they would be tried on non-US citizens. However, documents released in 1977 revealed that thousands of unwitting, as well as voluntary subjects were tested on during that time period. These subjects included United States citizens.[citation needed]

In addition to LSD, Cameron also experimented with various paralytic drugs, as well as electroconvulsive therapy at 30 to 40 times the normal power. His "driving" experiments consisted of putting subjects into drug-induced coma for months on end (up to three in one case) while playing tape loops of noise or simple repetitive statements. His experiments were typically carried out on patients who had entered the institute for minor problems such as anxiety disorders and post-partum depression, many of whom suffered permanently from his actions. His work in this field was inspired and paralleled by the British psychiatrist Dr William Sargant who carried out virtually identical experiments at St Thomas' Hospital, London and Belmont Hospital, Surrey, also without his patients' consent.

It was during this era that Cameron became known worldwide, serving as the second President of the World Psychiatric Association, as well as president of the American and Canadian psychiatric associations. He was also a member of the Nuremberg medical tribunal a decade earlier, where he accused German medics of things he himself did between 1934 - 1960 or later, though his scientific work during World War II for the OSS has never been a secret.

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William Walters Sargant (24 April 1907 - 27 August 1988), was a British psychiatrist who is now famous for his work with shell-shocked servicemen during World War Two, and later for his publication of a book entitled Battle for the Mind in which he discusses the nature of the process by which our minds are subject to influence by others. While this book is often referred to as a work on 'brainwashing', and indeed it is subtitled a Physiology of Conversion and Brainwashing, Sergant emphasises that his aim is to elucidate the processes involved rather than advocate uses. In the book he refers particularly to religious phenomena and in particular Christian methodism, emphasising the apparent need for those who would change people's minds to first excite them, as did the founder of methodism, John Wesley. Sargant was also heavily involved to the end of his career with the Intelligence Services, including the CIA Project MKULTRA.

Career

Trained at the Maudsley Hospital, South London. Sargant established a unit at Belmont Hospital during World War Two for the treatment of shell-shocked servicemen. There, along with Eliot Slater, he was a pioneer and advocate of physical methods of treatment in psychiatry such as ECT, continuous narcosis, insulin coma therapy and psychosurgery. His enthusiasm for such methods grew partly out of contempt for psychoanalysis, which was hugely popular among British psychiatrists between the wars. As an exponent of biological psychiatry, he regarded psychoanalysis as worse than useless in treating severe mental illness.

Founder and Director of the Department of Psychological Medicine at St Thomas' Hospital in London, where he established a laboratory for mind control experiments.[dubious – discuss] He was also a consultant to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI5/MI6). In 1953 he associated with Frank Olson, Deputy Acting Head of Special Operations for the CIA, investigating the use of mind-bending drugs at the Biological Warfare Centre at Porton Down.[1]

In 1944 he collaborated with Slater in writing An Introduction to Physical Methods of Treatment in Psychiatry, a textbook on biological psychiatry that included lobotomy and shock therapy and remained in print for three decades.

William Sargant was a pioneer in methods of placing false memories into patients. He attested at the 1977 U.S. Senate hearing, "that the therapist should deliberately distort the facts of the patient's life-experience to achieve heightened emotional response and abreaction. In the drunken state of narcoanalysis patients are prone to accept the therapist's false constructions."

In 1957 William Sargant published one of the first books on the psychology of brainwashing, Battle for the Mind.

[edit] Mind Control

William Sargant connected Pavlov’s findings to the ways people learned and internalized belief systems. Conditioned behavior patterns could be changed by stimulated stresses beyond a dog’s capacity for response, in essence causing a breakdown. This could also be caused by intense signals, longer than normal waiting periods, rotating positive and negative signals and changing a dog’s physical condition, as through illness. Depending on the dog’s initial personality, this could possibly cause a new belief system to be held tenaciously. Sargant also connected Pavlov’s findings to the mechanisms of brain-washing in religion and politics.[2]

[edit] Sargant, Ewen Cameron and MKULTRA

Sargant and Dr Ewen Cameron of Project MKULTRA notoriety, were friends and colleagues who shared and exchanged views and information on brainwashing and de-patterning techniques and their mutual researches in this area. Both men had extensive CIA and British Secret Intelligence Service connections.[3]

The aim of Cameron, Sargant and the CIA’s researches was to find a way to obliterate the memories of an allied spy ('de-patterning') and implant false memories at a deep level so that if that spy was captured in his adoptive country, he would be incapable under duress or even torture of revealing his true American/British allegiance. He would only be able to reveal the falsely implanted memories that supported his assumed persona. This concept became termed 'The Manchurian Candidate' after the novel. The extensive use of 'heroic' doses of ECT combined with Deep Sleep Treatment (narcosis), anti-depressants, tape-loops, insulin coma therapy, and other drugs in this context, was designed to induce catastrophic memory loss which would then supposedly be replaced with false memories and ideas (via tape loops, hypnosis, LSD or conversations while the person was drugged).

The CIA eventually became disillusioned with the research, saying it produced only 'amnesiacs and vegetables', but not until Cameron and Sargant between them had destroyed the health, memories and lives of countless patients.[4]

The author and psychiatrist Harvey Weinstein has established a direct link between Sargant's research on brainwashing and political conversion, and the research aspect of Cameron's work for MKULTRA. Cameron wrote in a paper on 'The Transition Neurosis': 'Sargant has described what little we know of the dynamics of these political and religious conversions and has attempted to duplicate them but from what we gather, with somewhat limited success. He used depleting emetics. We have explored this procedure in one case, using sleeplessness, disinhibiting agents, and hypnosis.'[5]

Cameron often sought Sargant's advice and on one occasion Sargant sent Cameron a note saying 'Whatever you manage in this field, I thought of it first.' [6]

In addition to LSD, Cameron also experimented with various paralytic drugs, as well as electroconvulsive therapy at 30 to 40 times the normal power. His "driving" experiments consisted of putting subjects into drug-induced coma for months on end (up to three in one case) while playing tape loops of noise or simple repetitive statements. His experiments were typically carried out on patients who had entered the institute for minor problems such as anxiety disorders and post-partum depression, many of whom suffered permanently from his actions.

[edit] Sargant's Covert Research at St. Thomas'

In St. Thomas' Hospital Sargant had a 'Sleep Room' modelled on the one Cameron had created at the Allan Memorial Institute for the MKULTRA programme. Here he treated many British citizens – mainly women - over the years, experimenting usually without their consent (see below) using ECT combined with Deep Sleep Treatment (narcosis), drugs, insulin coma therapy and tape loops – the same techniques as Cameron employed in Canada.[7]

Scores of English patients were involved in illegal, unethical and dangerous experiments for which they almost certainly never gave their consent. Sargant was one of the dominant figures in psychiatry in his day, the 1970s. No one would dare to challenge him. Patients were'incarcerated in the 'Sleep Room' and subjected to horrendous experimental treatments for which no consent forms were signed. Patients were kept in a drug-induced sleep. This was part of what Sargant called 'depatterning'. They were only briefly awoken to receive electroshocks. Sargant would wheel into the 'Sleep Room' a portable electroshock machine. The normal procedure would have been to deliver a single 110 volt shock. Sargant used shocks 20 to 40 times more intense, two or three times daily, with the power turned up to 150 volts. Some patients received multiple electro shocks over a period of 65 days. Patients were put to sleep for long periods and received all kinds of drugs. They were in no condition to question him.

In direct parallel with Cameron's techniques, Sargant used tape loops played through a recorder placed under the patient’s pillow to implant false memories or ideas. Leonard Rubenstein, a technician who had created the tape loops for Cameron was flown to England to advise Sargant on how the tape loops were made.[7]

Possibly going even further than Cameron, both at Belmont Hospital in Surrey and St.Thomas' in London, Sargant subjected patients to up to three months' combined ECT, deep sleep treatment, insulin coma therapy and drugs. He said in a talk delivered in Leeds: 'For several years past we have been treating severe resistant depression with long periods of sleep treatment. We can now keep patients asleep or very drowsy for up to 3 months if necessary. During sleep treatment we also give them ECT and anti-depressant drugs'.[8]

Sargant routinely advocated and practised ways of circumventing the whole issue of consent to treatment, in direct violation of the Nuremberg Code. Drawn up after World War II in an attempt to prevent any repetition of the kind of terrible experimentation performed by Nazi doctors on various ethnic groupings, prisoners of war or disabled people they deemed worthless, the Nuremberg Code protects the rights of those subject to medical experiments. The most important point is voluntary consent, without any element of 'force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion'. There should be made known 'the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment.' Every effort should be made to protect the participant against 'even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death,' and '…the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems…impossible.'[9]

Sargent, by contrast, used enforced narcosis (sleep treatment) to obliterate a patient’s ability to refuse ECT. He wrote in his standard textbook An Introduction to Physical Methods of Treatment in Psychiatry: 'Many patients unable to tolerate a long course of ECT, can do so when anxiety is relieved by narcosis ... What is so valuable is that they generally have no memory about the actual length of the treatment or the numbers of ECT used ... After 3 or 4 treatments they may ask for ECT to be discontinued because of an increasing dread of further treatments. Combining sleep with ECT avoids this ...'. Sargant also advocated increasing the frequency of ECT sessions for those he describes as 'resistant, obsessional patients' in order to produce 'therapeutic confusion' and so remove their power of refusal. In addition he states: 'All sorts of treatment can be given while the patient is kept sleeping, including a variety of drugs and ECT [which] together generally induce considerable memory loss for the period under narcosis. As a rule the patient does not know how long he has been asleep, or what treatment, even including ECT, he has been given. Under sleep ... one can now give many kinds of physical treatment, necessary, but often not easily tolerated. We may be seeing here a new exciting beginning in psychiatry and the possibility of a treatment era such as followed the introduction of anaesthesia in surgery'.[10]

Sargant constantly underplayed in public the very damaging effects of these treatments on his patients' memories. However John Marks found that Cameron himself detailed the stages of memory loss resulting from such 'de-patterning' techniques, saying that 'his typical de-patterning patient – usually a woman – moved through three distinct stages. In the first, the subject lost much of her memory. Yet she still knew where she was, why she was there, and who the people were who treated her. In the second phase, she lost her 'space-time image,' but still wanted to remember. In fact not being able to answer questions like, 'Where am I?' and 'How did I get here?' caused her considerable anxiety. In the third stage, all that anxiety disappeared. Cameron described the state as 'an extremely interesting constriction of the range of recollections which one ordinarily brings in to modify and enrich one’s statements. Hence, what the patient talks about are only his sensations of the moment and he talks about them almost exclusively in highly concrete terms. His remarks are entirely uninfluenced by previous recollections – nor are they governed in any way by his forward anticipations. He lives in the immediate present. All schizophrenic symptoms have disappeared . There is complete amnesia for all events in his life.'[11]

When Sargant left St.Thomas' Hospital he, like Cameron when he left the Allen Memorial Institute, took with him all the case notes of those who had received this intensive treatment. Again like Cameron, on enquiry the notes were subsequently found to have disappeared after his death.[12]

Quotes

"...Jesus Christ might simply have returned to his carpentry following the use of modern [psychiatric] treatments." - William Sargant

"Though men are not dogs, they should humbly try to remember how much they resemble dogs in their brain functions, and not boast themselves as demigods. They are gifted with religious and social apprehensions, and they are gifted with the power of reason; but all these faculties are physiologically entailed to the brain. Therefore the brain should not be abused by having forced upon it any religious or political mystique that stunts the reason, or any form of crude rationalism that stunts the religious sense." (p. 274)[2]

hunkahunka

29-03-2009, 07:39 PM

interesting: Lou Reed was guitarist, vocalist and principal songwriter of The Velvet Underground and later in 1974
did a song called 'Kill Your Sons', about his receiving electroshock
as a teen.

The group caught the attention of notable artist Andy Warhol, who raised their profile immeasurably, if not improving their immediate fortunes. One of Warhol's first contributions to the band's success was securing them a steady spot as the house band at Max's Kansas City.[10] Warhol's associates inspired many of Reed's songs as he fell into a thriving, multifaceted artistic scene. Reed rarely gives an interview without paying homage to Warhol as a mentor figure.

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Max's I

Opened by Mickey Ruskin (1933-1983) in December 1965, it was a hangout for artists and sculptors of the New York School, sculptor John Chamberlain, Robert Rauschenberg and Larry Rivers, whose presence attracted hip celebrities and the jet set, and also a favorite spot of Andy Warhol's entourage. The Velvet Underground played their last shows with Lou Reed at Max's in the summer of 1970. It was homebase for the shortlived Glitter rock scene that included David Bowie, Iggy Pop, and, of course, Lou Reed. This was the first place many bands began their careers. Bruce Springsteen played a solo acoustic set there in the summer of 1972. Both Aerosmith and Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band played their first New York City gigs there. Bob Marley & The Wailers opened for Springsteen there at the beginning of Marley's career on the international circuit, in 1973. Max's Kansas City's popularity declined after pop art had transformed into punk rock, and the legendary establishment closed in December, 1974.

Ed Koch was to have a campaign office in the building.[1]

Max's II

The club reopened in 1975 under new ownership of Tommy Dean Mills who started with a formula of offering disco. Peter Crowley, who had been booking bands at Mothers, a gay bar on 23rd Street (Manhattan) was hired to start booking bands there in a venue that was an alternative to CBGB's.[2]

Max's Kansas City became one of the birthplaces of punk rock, featuring bands like Cherry Vanilla, The New York Dolls, Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers, Blondie, The Ramones, Mink DeVille, Steel Tips, The Misfits, The Dictators (who were falsely rumored to have been banned from playing there), Wayne County, Cheap Perfume,The Blessed, The Fleshtones, Elliott Murphy and Patti Smith, as well as out-of-town bands in the same vein such as The Runaways and The Damned. After the breakup of the Sex Pistols, Sid Vicious played many of his solo gigs there. After pressing up a few thousand copies of the single "Rock Lobster," the B-52's traveled to the famed club for their first paying gig .

Max's closed its doors in November 1981. The building survives and now houses a deli.[/quote]

Many people think of Warhol as "asexual" and merely a "voyeur", but these notions have been debunked by biographers (such as Victor Bockris), explored by other members of The Factory scene such as Bob Colacello,[19] and by scholars like art historian Richard Meyer.[20] The question of how Warhol's sexuality influenced his work and shaped his relationship to the art world is a major subject of scholarship on the artist, and is an issue that Warhol himself addressed in interviews, in conversation with his contemporaries, and in his publications (e.g. Popism: The Warhol Sixties).

Throughout his career, Warhol produced erotic photography and drawings of male nudes and one rare one of a woman "pati palomeras". Many of his most famous works (portraits of Liza Minnelli, Judy Garland, and Elizabeth Taylor, and films like Blow Job, My Hustler, and Lonesome Cowboys) draw from gay underground culture and/or openly explore the complexity of sexuality and desire. Many of his films premiered in gay porn theaters. That said, some stories about Warhol's development as an artist revolved around the obstacle his sexuality initially presented as he tried to launch his career. The first works that he submitted to a gallery in the pursuit of a career as an artist were homoerotic drawings of male nudes. They were rejected for being too openly gay.[21]

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Lyrics to Lou Reed's 'Take a Walk on the Wild Side'
reference cross-dressing teen runaway gay hustlers who worked
at the Max's Kansas City' infamous 'back room'

Holly came from miami f.l.a.
Hitch-hiked her way across the u.s.a.

Plucked her eyebrows on the way
Shaved her legs and then he was a she
She says, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
Said, hey honey, take a walk on the wild side

Candy came from out on the island
In the backroom she was everybodys darling

But she never lost her head
Even when she was given head
She says, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
Said, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
And the coloured girls go

Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo)

Little joe never once gave it away
Everybody had to pay and pay

A hustle here and a hustle there
New york city is the place where they said
Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
I said hey joe, take a walk on the wild side

Sugar plum fairy came and hit the streets
Lookin for soul food and a place to eat

Went to the apollo
You should have seen him go go go
They said, hey sugar, take a walk on the wild side
I said, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
All right, huh

Jackie is just speeding away
Thought she was james dean for a day

Then I guess she had to crash
Valium would have helped that dash
She said, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
I said, hey honey, take a walk on the wild side
And the coloured girls say

Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo)

oh those raunchy days of yore...Andy Warhol molested me at Max's when I was 13, way back in 1967. I was sitting at a table with Aubrey Beardsley aficionado, Edmund Hennessy, John Giorno, the poet, and Warhol came up behind me and started caressing my neck. It was weird ( I did get to go to his Factory opening, when he reopened The Factory near Max's, got the see The Velvet Underground live too).

Those days Max's felt like an interesting mix of saloon and futuristic post apocalyptic creativity, a real life Mos Eisley Cantina.
posted by nickyskye at 5:30 PM on December 31, 2007

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Paul Morrissey, Andy Warhol, Janis Joplin and Tim Buckley at Max's

THE 1960s NEW YORK ART SCENE CONVERGES ON MAX'S KANSAS CITY

Before legends like Blondie, Lou Reed, David Bowie, Iggy Pop and Bruce Springsteen played to crowds of thousands, they played in Mickey Ruskin's dingy living room on Park Ave South in Manhattan, also known as Max's Kansas City.

At no other time in history has there been such an important collision of art, music and fashion than Max's Kansas City in the 1960s, 70s, and early 80s. The great unknown became simply, The Great.

During its heyday, spending time at Max's Kansas City was the equivalent of getting a graduate art school education.

It was a place when you could stare at Andy Warhol, argue sculpture with John Chamberlain, piss off William S. Burroughs and get a record deal from Clive Davis just by showing up on a Tuesday night.

Every musician, it seemed, was also an artist, every artist a filmmaker and every filmmaker was in a band.

The synergy of art, music and fashion at Max's Kansas City produced an unparalleled number of influential collaborations exactly when the world was ready to embrace visionary creative leadership.
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"I met Iggy Pop at Max's Kansas City in 1970 or 1971," recalled David Bowie. "Me, Iggy and Lou Reed at one table with absolutely nothing to say to each other, just looking at each other's eye makeup."

William Burroughs smoking in a corner with Allen Ginsberg. Twiggy and Mick Jagger and Dennis Hopper -- dancing to live performances upstairs like the Velvet Underground (performing at Max's during their last days), Bob Marley or a young Bruce Springsteen on acoustic guitar.

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William Burroughs with Patti Smith at Max's

hunkahunka

29-03-2009, 08:26 PM

video of inside of Max's Kansas City narrated by David Weisman, co-director of Ciao Manhattan, who mentions his childhood memories of being part of the 'child crowd'
at 'Max's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuyQfxo0ocs&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVRmt0J6JNg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPYcHL4m4IA&feature=related

likeslotsoteas

30-03-2009, 04:32 AM

i really enjoyed this thread...
Until it was turned into the hunkahunka turns Cobains death thread into an everything gay has to do with cobain's death thread.

guess it's...dead?

likeslotsoteas

30-03-2009, 04:33 AM

i really enjoyed this thread...
Until it was turned into the hunkahunka turns Cobains death thread into an everything gay has to do with cobain's death thread.

guess it's...dead?

hunkahunka

30-03-2009, 09:48 AM

i have been working in the music industry for a long time now

there is, but not widely talked about a kinda mafia tax on the earnings of the top artists, its done in a way that the artists dont know its going on but some find out about it and when they stop paying the dues they are warned

when the warning does not work the "accidents" happen....

corruption at its fullest - maybe CIA are in with it too, they are the biggest drug dealers in the world lol

interesting, but do you think that 'mafia tax' probably only happens to the ones who kick the drugs?
So many of them are/were such heavy drug users that paying a pretty heavy 'mafia tax' with every fix may keep everyone happy.

I have heard that hookers who have a good spot downtown who won't buy drugs from certain people can disappear pretty quickly, and the same goes
for strippers etc. A lot of people in the sex business would tell you that the biggest threat to their safety comes from organized crime/gangs.

hunkahunka

30-03-2009, 09:52 AM

True true blood: As pop culture sucks on myths, some real Kansas City vampires tell their stories
By Peter Rugg
Published on February 17, 2009 at 11:35am

Excerpt from the Real-Vampires Community Alliance Guide to Safer Bloodletting, written by Sylvere:

Before you begin, you should prepare a first-aid kit. Include antiseptic mouthwash, antibacterial ointment or spray for aftercare; Band-Aids or another brand of sterile bandages for punctures and small cuts; nonstick, sterile gauze pads and medical tape for larger wounds; and latex gloves. You should also purchase one or more puncture-resistant plastic containers to dispose of your sharp instruments or to store them for sterilization later. You can get these from medical suppliers. Take this kit with you if there is even the slightest chance you might feed. Like the Boy Scouts, you should always be prepared. We also advise taking a class in basic first aid in case of accidents. Learn as much as you can about anatomy so you'll know where the major veins and arteries are and be able to avoid them.

Peter Rugg reporter's notebook, 12/19/08:

I'm sitting in the Winstead's by the Plaza waiting for a group of people I've never met. It's the monthly meeting of Gathering Dusk, a Midwest meet-up club that's primarily for people who identify themselves as vampires.

I realize, when they arrive, that I wouldn't give half of them a second glance if I saw them on the street; the other half look as I'd expect a vampire to look in Kansas City in 2008: lots of black clothing and eyeliner and lipstick. For most, it's a good look.

The oldest is Sylvere, 38, who's dressed for comfort tonight rather than in gothic style. She has gone by the name Sylvere since high school, when she picked up the nickname because her fashion tastes favored silver tones. She wasn't immediately agreeable to a story on local vampires. "I won't be set up as the local freak of the week, if that's your angle," she had written me. "I have my family's welfare to consider."

She has dark hair and eyes, and her features are birdlike in a pleasant way. She has run this group for almost four years and has finally agreed to introduce me to local vampires. The press has approached her before. Because the online community of vampires isn't that big and not many are as willing as Sylvere is to out themselves, she has been approached by a British documentary crew, been called for interviews on programs like The Tyra Banks Show, and had her account of vampire life included in anthologies from new-age publishing houses.

Though they call themselves vampires, not all drink blood. They tell me that there are different classifications of people who genuinely believe they need more than food. The most common are psi-vampires, such as Sylvere, who say they drink in the energy from surrounding people and willing donors. Then there are the real blood drinkers, called sanguinarians. As they explain blood classifications to me, I wonder if their way of life would sound more acceptable if they presented it as a fetish rather than a health issue.

They describe it a health issue because most claim to feel fatigued if they don't have a decent feeding every once in a while. Bright sunlight can cause them to burn badly and quickly, though this seems a common problem for many light-skinned nonvampires, too. Religious icons don't bother them. That doesn't mean they don't have opinions about religion: When Sylvere says she hopes to work in publishing and I mention a local Christian company, she insists that hardcore Christians don't "agree with rational thought."

Fewer than 10 of us are sitting at a table in the back of the restaurant. On my left is Sylvere, who starts polling the group as to whether the 1950s-themed diner would be a good spot for future meetings. It has two of the group's most important requirements: open to all ages and open late. They vote yes.

To my right is Lisa, who requests the use of a pseudonym for this story, out of fear of what might happen if all her friends and family find out she occasionally drinks blood. She looks like the type of young woman who is unaware of how pretty she is. Next to her is her fiancé, who was a donor early in the relationship but isn't now.

"It just wasn't my thing," he says. To hear Lisa explain it, drinking is a necessary part of her life and happiness; while he can't help, he encourages her to find other donors — within certain restrictions.

"We've had girlfriends in the past that've been open to it. Some really, really want to do it," he says. "But there's a sexual thing going on there, so I don't want her doing it with a guy. Besides, two girls together is hot."

Lisa laughs and agrees.

"When I first started out, you'd hear about blood parties with people just cutting each other and people getting sick," Lisa says. "There was some really dangerous stuff going on. A lot of people were doing stupid things."

Most vampires find their donors in the people they date, regardless of whether they're after blood or a more nebulous type of nourishment. Lisa, one of the cautious ones, requires that a doctor screen her partners for diseases before she'll touch them.

In the early days of Gathering Dusk, meetings consisted of Sylvere, Lisa and a couple of others hanging out in coffee shops, wondering if someone new would show up. Today the group, hosted at Meetup.com, has 94 members in Missouri, Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska, and meetings can be as large as two dozen vampires. It's also easy to find groups of people who are convinced they are vampire slayers, though they use online threats and harassment instead of trying to pound a stake through anyone.

"Those people have problems," Sylvere says. "I don't even want to deal with that."

On the vampire Web sites where communities are built, arguments continue: over the use of the name vampire; over the rules for membership; and over how much exposure vampires should have, given pop culture's recent fascination with them. As we sit in Winstead's, a few blocks away at the Cinemark movie theater, the film adaptation of the vampire teen-romance best-seller Twilight is in its second week of release. By the time I start writing this, Anna Paquin will have won a Golden Globe for Best Actress in a Television Series for HBO's vampire drama, True Blood. Though it won't be nominated, Let the Right One In, a Swedish film about 12-year-old vampires, has been getting some Oscar buzz as a possible contender in the Foreign Language Film category; it has already made some critics' "Best of 2008" lists.

Sylvere and Lisa are fed up with the trend. Every day, it seems, more kids are declaring themselves vampires and dropping their parents' cash at the mall on black designer T-shirts.

"A lot of people think they're vampires now," Sylvere says.

"I will say, though, reading those books True Blood is based on, they did their research," Lisa allows. "They even got the flavors of the blood types right."

"There are flavors?" I ask.

Lisa begins. "They got it right that the best one is ... "

"O negative!" they yell out in unison.

"Why is that good?"

"It's hard to describe," Lisa says. "It's sweet. It's like a dessert wine."

"How about AB positive?" I ask, curious if my own blood type — I'm the universal recipient — is any good. Lisa's smile freezes, and she rolls her head from side to side as if searching for a polite way to tell me that I'm unpalatable.

Sylvere scoffs. "Tastes great, less filling."

hunkahunka

30-03-2009, 10:09 AM

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09dX7XM5yV2kw/610x.jpg
Veterans Eric Muth, center, and Frank Rochelle, right, speak at a news conference as their attorney Gordon Erspamer, left, listens at the law offices of Morrison and Foerster in San Francisco, Wednesday, Jan. 7, 2009. Muth and Rochelle are among six veterans who claim they were unwittingly exposed to dangerous chemicals and germs during government-sponsored Cold War experiments. On Wednesday they sued the CIA, Department of Defense and other federal agencies.

Veterans say CIA tested drugs, mind control on them, sue to get health care now

by Jay Price / McClatchy Newspapers
Monday January 12, 2009, 10:54 PM

RALEIGH, N.C. -- It was 1968, and Frank Rochelle was 20 years old and fresh out of Army boot camp when he saw notices posted around his base in Virginia asking for volunteers to test uniforms and equipment.

That might be a good break after the harsh weeks of boot camp, he thought, and signed up.

Instead of equipment testing, though, the Onslow County, N.C., native found himself in a bizarre, CIA-funded drug testing and mind-control program, according to a lawsuit that he and five other veterans and Vietnam Veterans of America filed last week. The suit was filed in federal court in San Francisco against the Department of Defense and the CIA.

The plaintiffs seek to force the government to contact all the subjects of the experiments and give them proper health care.

The experiments have been the subject of congressional hearings, and in 2003 the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs released a pamphlet said nearly 7,000 soldiers had been involved and more than 250 chemicals used on them, including hallucinogens such as LSD and PCP as well as biological and chemical agents. Lasting from 1950 to 1975, the experiments took place at Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland. According to the lawsuit, some of the volunteers were even implanted with electrical devices in an effort to control their behavior.

Rochelle, 60, who has come back to live in Onslow County, said in an interview that there were about two dozen volunteers when he was taken to Edgewood. Once there, they were asked to volunteer a second time, for drug testing. They were told that the experiments were harmless and that their health would be carefully monitored, not just during the tests but afterward, too.

The doctors running the experiments, though, couldn't have known the drugs were safe, because safety was one of the things they were trying to find out, Rochelle said.

"We volunteered, yes, but we were not fully aware of the dangers," he said. "None of us knew the kind of drugs they gave us, or the aftereffects they'd have."

Rochelle said he was given just one breath of a chemical in aerosol form that kept him drugged for two and a half days, struggling with visions. He said he saw animals coming out of the walls and his freckles moving like bugs under his skin. At one point, he tried to cut the freckles out with a razor.

Not all the men in his group tested drugs. But he said even those who just tested equipment were mistreated.

"Their idea of testing a gas mask was to give you a faulty one and put you in a gas chamber," he said. "It was just diabolical."

The tests lasted about two months. Later, Rochelle was sent to Vietnam.

Now he's rated 60 percent disabled by the VA, he said, and has struggled to keep his civilian job working on Marine bases. He has breathing problems, and his short-term memory is so bad that he once left his son at a gas station. Among other problems, he said, his doctor diagnosed post-traumatic stress disorder and said it came from the drug experiment. He has trouble sleeping and still sometimes has visions from the drug, he said.

A big goal of the lawsuit, Rochelle said, is to get the word out to the thousands of soldiers who were tested. Some may have forgotten all about the tests and not know that's why they have health problems now.

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(c) 2009, The News & Observer (Raleigh, N.C.

hunkahunka

30-03-2009, 07:35 PM

more sexually dissociative Wizard of Oz symbolism, this from a gay forum called Queerfocus:

http://www.hostpix.de/out.php?i=171_ozgay3.png
mkultra monarch brainwashing

this stuff on Wizard of Oz author L. Frank Baum:

Baum's childhood and early life

Baum was born in Chittenango, New York in 1856, into a devout Methodist family . His father was a wealthy businessman, who had made his fortune in the oil fields of Pennsylvania.

it turns out the American methodists formed the Methodist Episcopal Church

A Methodist, Baum joined the Episcopal Church in Aberdeen to participate in community theatricals. Later, he and his wife, encouraged by Matilda Joslyn Gage, became Theosophists, in 1897.[29] Baum's beliefs are often reflected in his writing. The only mention of a church in his Oz books is the porcelain one which the Cowardly Lion breaks in the Dainty China Country in The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

so Baum was Episcopalian, and the Episcopalian church is at the very roots of a large part of the 'progressive' movement:

The Episcopal Church was active in the Social Gospel movement of the late nineteenth century and since the 1960s and 1970s has played a leading role in the progressive movement and on related political issues. For example, in its resolutions on state issues the Episcopal Church has opposed the death penalty, and supported the civil rights movement and affirmative action. Some of its leaders and priests marched with civil rights demonstrators. The church calls for the full civil equality of gay men and lesbians. Most dioceses ordain openly gay men and women; in some, same-sex unions are celebrated with services of blessing, but "no diocese currently permits same-sex marriage...even in those states and municipalities which permit it."[8] .

and then there is Judy Garland herself:

Named after both her parents and baptized at a local Episcopal church, "Baby" (as Frances was affectionately called) shared the family's flair for song and dance. "Baby" Gumm's first appearance came at the age of two-and-a-half,

http://www.otrcat.com/z/judy_garland_baby.jpg

http://www.jgdb.com/starlet3.jpg

The Gumm girls performed at their father's theater, accompanied by their mother on piano, for the next few years. In June 1926, following rumors that Frank had made sexual advances toward male ushers at his theater, the family relocated to Lancaster, California.[5] Frank purchased and operated another theater there and Ethel, acting as their manager, began working to get her daughters into pictures.

hunkahunka

30-03-2009, 09:22 PM

http://www.forgottentreasurez.com/catalog/Oz%20yellow%20brick_thumb.jpg

The three friends accompanying Dorothy are incomplete, either heartless, brainless, or without courage, and all of them are male.

Of the four main characters, Dorothy, the Lion, the Scarecrow, and the Tin Man, only Dorothy, the female is complete.

Or is she?

All four characters dressed in are costume.
One dressed as a lion. One dressed as tin man. One dressed as a scarecrow.
One dressed as a girl (dress). The costumes of the lion, the tin man and scarecrow are unconvincing. It is clear that these are men dressed in costumes.

Dorothy is dressed as an old fashioned girl, and wears her 'costume' alongside the others. The traditional female identity is therefore analogous to an act, a put-on , a costume, just like the other three characters.

The other three characters are incomplete, so is Dorothy lacking too? What does that dress costume allude to? Female. The female identity is incomplete, somehow lacking? penis envy in programming, perhaps, this 'costuming' of the traditional female in association with both 'role playing' and incompleteness. In this sense, the female sex of Dorothy is transformed from a biological reality to a 'role'. A costume. Contemporary feminism frequently references the terminology of gender 'roles'.

Seeing that Gloria Steinem was CIA....

mkultra brainwashing and dissociation

hunkahunka

30-03-2009, 09:26 PM

the first Nirvana t-shirt ever made, (in 1989, before big money record company and image builder Geffen came along)

click image to enlarge (so that you can read this) :
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BkqHOflsL._AA280_.jpg
Fudge Packin, Crack Smokin, Satan Worshipin, Motherfucker

English translation:

homosexuality, drug abuse, satanism, incest

hunkahunka

30-03-2009, 11:02 PM

Somewhere over the rainbow

http://images9.cafepress.com/product/55373399v20_350x350_Back.jpg

http://www.samliquidation.com/images/t-shirt_croppedart.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0glyflj65z97m/340x.jpg
Katharine Jefferts Schori, presiding lesbian bishop of the Episcopal Church

http://www.anglicancommunion.org/_userfiles/Image/full/acns4292af.jpg

http://www.brutallyhonest.org/brutally_honest/images/the_episcopal_church.png

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/images/elo_palmSundayPBsermon_md.jpg
Marking the annual Palm Sunday celebrations and the start of a week-long visit to the Holy Land, Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori preached March 16 at St. George's Cathedral in Jerusalem at the invitation of Bishop Suheil Dawani of the Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem.

http://gozodiocese.org/wp-content/gallery/logos/meclogo.jpg

Episcopal's 'Oz' Has a Brain and Plenty of Heart

Emily O'Connell reviews Episcopal High School's "The Wizard of Oz."

A little girl from Kansas, some strange new friends and a yellow brick road that leads us straight into the thickets of imagination: We're off to see "The Wizard of Oz" at Episcopal High School!

The Land of Oz has fascinated since L. Frank Baum's novel, "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz," was published in 1900. There have since been countless adaptations, including the iconic 1939 film starring Judy Garland. Episcopal performed the script adapted for the Royal Shakespeare Company , which retains the famous film's dialogue and music. It tells the tale of Dorothy, who is trans blah blah blah

http://www.episcopalhighschool.org/data/files/news/CampusNews/thumb/lg-wizardofoz.jpg
http://www.episcopalhighschool.org/news/detail.aspx?linkid=640&moduleid=34

"Oz" Gets Rave Reviews
February 23, 2009

With two Dorothys (each playing different shows), a large cast, and a host of faculty children playing Munchkins, winter musical "The Wizard of Oz" delighted audiences Feb. 19 through 21.

A review in the Washington Post by Emily O'Connell praised every aspect of the show, from stars to character actors, from choreography to sound.

http://endtimesdeception.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/gay-bishop-plans-to-marry.bmp
gay Episcopal bishop

http://cdn.wn.com/o25/ph//2009/01/13/7677ae0773a497c56cd5fc5f6c53eacf-grande.jpgThe first openly gay Episcopalian bishop in America, Gene Robinson, has been asked to give the invocation at the welcoming celebrations on Sunday at the Lincoln Memorial. Bishop Robinson married his long-time partner, Mark Andrew, in a civil ceremony in June last year, after the New Hampshire legislature made such unions legal.

hunkahunka

30-03-2009, 11:21 PM

http://www.stgiles-moraga.org/_borders/Episcopal_Shield%5B1%5D.jpg
quite the odd symbol for the Episcopal Church, with its
prominent 'X' composed of crosses. White crosses on blue background

http://flagspot.net/images/g/gr-alt.gif
Greek flag

emerald

31-03-2009, 12:08 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Mena_Suvari_by_David_Shankbone.jpg

Another famous Episcopalian: MENA SUVARI (played ANGELA RAUBAL in SNIDE&PREJUDICE and RICHIE... BERLIN in FACTORY GIRL).

pipsicle

31-03-2009, 01:17 PM

it turns out the American methodists formed the Methodist Episcopal Church

so Baum was Episcopalian, and the Episcopalian church is at the very roots of a large part of the 'progressive' movement:

:eek:

Did you know Lewis Caroll was an ordained priest?

:eek:

No wonder the church don't go near this stuff (in public).

hunkahunka

31-03-2009, 02:04 PM

this post is largely a repost , but I have added some new information and expanded it a bit because it is very important (the original post has been rendered useless due to dead links). Newer readers to the thread will have missed most of this , and even older readers
will find some newer information herein:

mask and hood photo from spy video taken of Skull & Bones ritual at Yale (done with night-vision video camera from nearby rooftop over-looking the Skulls 'tomb' building's inner court yard.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjWdR2GUpi0
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2003/01/07/nightscopeskullandbones.jpg
Venetian mask in Skull n' Bones ritual(rituals feature simulated \
stabbing/human sacrifice and live burial)

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/01jan/eyeswideshut.jpg
human sacrifice ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut

http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/btkgravemask.jpg
BTK killer Dennis Rader, in a mask, photographed himself lying in a grave that he had dug for victim Delores Davis. (partially buried, note the breathing tube apparatus,
enabling live burial)

The BTK Strangler Serial Killer
Bondage Photos and Artwork
After the BTK killer Dennis Rader was arrested on February 25, 2005, police uncovered his stashes of writings, photos, artwork and other assorted items he had kept over the years related to his crimes. He had a bondage fetish and enjoyed wearing the undergarments of his slain female victims. He enjoyed tying himself up in all sorts of ways. Using various mechanisms he was able to photograph himself with a Polaroid camera. During his years as a Boy Scout troop leader, he nearly got caught once when he couldn't escape his own bonds after tying himself up inside a camper during a scout outing. He eventually worked himself loose.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oTwEGiup_Wo/SJz6x1eDr2I/AAAAAAAACfI/5qRPi4bxreI/s400/AirForce_c.JPG

Serial killer, Vietnam veteran, boyscout leader, bondage/live burial fetishist Denis Rader (aka 'The BTK killer'] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader

Dennis Rader Air Force photo:
http://handwritinguniversity.com/crime/btkkiller/drairforce.jpg
* Lackland Air Force Base near San Antonio, Texas
Aug 17, 1966 Sep 30, 1966
* Sheppard Air Force Base in Wichita Falls, KS
Sep 30, 1966 - Feb 4, 1967
* Brookley Field in Mobile, AL
Feb 4, 1967-1968 (~1 year)
* Kadean AFB, Okinawa,
Jan, 1968 - July, 1968
* Tachikawa Air Base, near Tokyo, Japan
July 1968 Aug 1970.

Though Rader claimed that BTK stood for 'bind, torture, kill', Rader's chosen handle of 'BTK', may have dated back to his airforce days in Japan during the Vietnam War. In the Vietnam War, BTK commonly referred to the USAF motto 'Born to Kill.' The 'Bind Torture Kill' subterfuge may have been an attempt to throw off investigators. (especially if Raders nickname in the USAF had ever been BTK)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/9/15304659_dec9999702.jpg
Bind Torture Kill, or Born To Kill?
http://desanneesauxcompteurs.ifrance.com/page01_en_ce_temps_la/01_born_to_kill.jpg
http://www.jankraak-taichitao.nl/upload/htmleditor/Isral%20soldaat%20Born%20to%20kill.jpg
The motto was prominent in the movie posters for Stanley Kubrick's film 'Full Metal Jacket'
http://www.moviewallpapers.net/images/wallpapers/1987/full-metal-jacket/full-metal-jacket-1-1024.jpg

So Stanley Kubrick created both Eyes Wide Shut and Full Metal Jacket (as well as A Clockwork Orange (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKaEiuX9guU&feature=related), which directlyfeatured MK ultra brainwashing) Odd that Stanley Kubrick seems so ubiquitous in all of this. (Kubrick pulled Clockwork Orange from British distribution after receiving death threats)

photo source: The BTK site (http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/btkbondage.htm)

http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/raderlaidout1.jpg
Dennis Rader , BTK killer, dressed as his own fantasy victim, tied up wearing venetian mask
http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/radermasktree.jpg
Rader in mask here, with mouth gagged

this is eerily similar to the Skull & Bones initiation rituals which feature both the use of the same types of venetian masks and live burials. (the more in-depth burial rituals are performed on secluded Deer Island, a Skull & Bones-owned retreat in the Thousand Islands on the St. Lawrence Seaway near Connecticut, including live burial in mud)

Moreover, Rader killed Delores Davies in 1991, long before all of the information on the Skull & Bones society rituals hit the internet or was otherwise made generally known to the public.

I think it unlikely that Rader would, out of sheer fantasy. replicate so closely many of the elements of a Skull & Bones ritual. Rader may have had prior experience with said rituals, as he himself was an Air Force operative during the Vietnam War, based in Japan, as was George H.W. Bush Sr. (Air Force) based in SE Asia, and in aircraft carrier squadron attacks on Japan during WWII. George Bush Sr. is known to have been both a member of Skull & Bones and at one time head of the CIA.

Check out these facts on the BTK killer:
His father was a WWII marine, and Rader(BTK) was born in 1945 , right when the MKULTRA mind control program got new legs with the end of WWII and the transfer of German behavioral research
from Germany to the U.S., when hundreds of German scientists were transferred to the United States, so the U.S. military could benefit from their research into mind control and weapons.)
BTK killer Dennis Rader's father died in WWII just before he was born.
That would make him prime material, age-wise, to start in MKULTRA conditioning from birth.
He was an airman (paratrooper) in the Vietnam war, stationed in Japan. (Hells Angel?) He was born March 9 1945 and did not kill civilians until Jan 15 1974, which means he first killed (civilians) when he was just two months shy of 30 years old. (MkUltra projects typically go bad at 30 years of age, when their programming breaks down ) He even emulated the Zodiac killer, who is thought to himself have been an MKUltra project. One of the top suspects in the Zodiac killings is known to have been a paratrooper stationed at one point in Japan, just like BTK, during the Korean War era.

and now for something really creepy. Watch this eerie footage from Venice Carnival:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIAY8tPErZo&fe

continued next page

hunkahunka

31-03-2009, 02:08 PM

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2439/deedavisb50md8.th.jpg

more eerie footage from Venice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeSjGzgOeUk&feature=related

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z284/Mikeve/TheRosicruciansTheirRitesandMysteri.jpg

graphic plots the esoteric progression: Rosicrucianism from Egypt to Venice to England (and ownward to America) following the path of economic power
http://www.pehi.eu/dutroux/additional/Fringe_esoteric_knowledge.gif

stal

31-03-2009, 02:23 PM

lyrics to the NY based death metal band Suffocation's song 'Bind Torture Kill'

4. Bind Torture Kill

Torture provokes to divorce sanity
Horror mummifies victims who plead
Suicide tempts the mind of the mortal, sickened with grief
Godless fate, perception of the lie, debilitate the weak

Upon the altar of sacrificial bliss
I'm damned to be disposed in perpetual fire
Dismantled youth, forced and shaped my being
Predestined fate nurtures the act of sinning and drives me to

Blind torture kill, You judge my world
Your views have been mistaken
The sickness stems deeper than it seems

I bind to keep, Torture one to strengthen
And kill the weak who fail to meet the needs
Unstable diagnosis, detained to live a victim of myself
Predestined fate nurtures the act of sinning and drives me to

Bind torture kill, Crippled soul, Desensitized
Restraints impeded, Evolving my rage
Bind torture kill, Sanity diminishing
Internal wars desecrate, Re-haunting me
Lunacy dictates my being

Enslaved until my demise surrenders me
Until then I must feed the demons
Fuel my rage and commence haunting you

Bind torture kill, Disposed mental state
Confides my will to tolerate, My plea to help denied
You judge my world, Your views have been mistaken

This sickness stems deeper than it seems
I bind to keep, torture one to strengthen
And kill the weak who fail to meet the needs

I'm damned to be disposed in perpetual fire
Dismantled youth forced and shaped my being
Deafening voices fuel my actions
And drive me to bind torture kill

stal

31-03-2009, 02:29 PM

interesting that the history channel used the song in an add for their dark ages speacial.

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jbNN75zU6k

hunkahunka

31-03-2009, 02:47 PM

lyrics to the NY based death metal band Suffocation's song 'Bind Torture Kill'

Torture provokes to divorce sanity

Dismantled youth, forced and shaped my being

Predestined fate nurtures the act of sinning and drives me to
Blind torture kill, You judge my world

Your views have been mistaken The sickness stems deeper than it seems

interesting lyrics alluding to mind control trauma conditioning
during youth , and the name of the band 'suffocation' also reminds
me of this:

http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/radergravewrap1.jpg
Dennis Rader all bound up in plastic in a freshly dug grave

I suspect that boyscout Dennis Rader (and George Herbert Bush) may have been taken on some pretty special camping trips when he was a kid/youth

http://www.achievement.org/achievers/bus0/large/bus0-012.jpg
Navy pilot George H.W. Bush, 1942

hunkahunka

31-03-2009, 06:10 PM

http://www.usconstitution.com/$so$1/georgehwbush20.jpg
George H.W. Bush (center)

- USAF (Korea)
- into venetian masks, live burial rituals
- son George was a Cub Scout

http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/rader_airforce_beach.jpg
Dennis Rader
- USAF (Vietnam)
-into venetian masks, live burials
-boy scout, scout leader

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b350/thebtksite/btkmask.gif
Mask left at Dee Davis murder scene

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2439/deedavisb50md8.th.jpg

http://www.sensesofcinema.com/images/23/eyes_wide_shut.jpg
from Eyes Wide Shut (that is Nicole Kidman, who also appeared in the film 'Emerald City (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101808/)', btw)

http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/dr70s2.jpg
Scout leader Dennis Rader
http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/raderhat1.jpg

is it possible that Rader was 'training' some of the boys in certain ways?

http://www.stanleykubrick.de/res/img/newsletter/04/btk.jpg

hunkahunka

01-04-2009, 03:00 AM

Re: International narcotics trafficking and Venetian secret societies
such as Skull & Bones the Hellfire Club, etc.

First , a bit of background on the Hellfire Club:

http://www.blather.net/img/featured/wycombe/church2.jpg
http://www.blather.net/blather/2006/02/the_hellfire_club_tunnels_and.html
http://www.blather.net/blather/1998/06/photographs_of_the_hellfire_cl.htm
http://www.blather.net/img/featured/wycombe/church3.jpg
West Wycombe Church

the above building is West Wycombe Church and grave yard, which was built on a chalk hill , in England, directly above where the Hellfire Club caves were later carved out. The caves were carved directly beneath the grave yard, and one of the caves is named after Benjamin Franklin. Sir Francis Dashwood built the entire complex and was heavily into kaballah and occult, and part of the Rosicrucian masonic network that founded America.
Dashwood built West Wycombe 'church' from an old Norman castle, and modeled it after the 18th century Customs House in Venice pictured here:

http://www.venice-sights.co.uk/images/Venice98.jpg
Venice Customs House

http://www.blather.net/img/featured/wycombe/map.gif

http://blather.net/img/blather/hellfire_club_uk/hellfire_banquet_IMG_4505.jpg
Hellfire Club caves

watch this clip from Eyes Wide Shut
(Stanley Kubrick's film about a cult that sacrifices people in sex orgies):
the interesting thing to note here is the VENETIAN masks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNzuF33tZo

http://www.arthauspics.com/images/hellllll.jpg

rumors persist that Benjamin Franklin and Francis Dashwood participated in such orgies at the hellfire club, and occult rituals/sacrifices. Benjamin Franklin was also an opium addict.

The Franklin Institute pedophile scandal (see video Conspiracy of Silence) appears to be related to the same network of military industrial complex/CIA satanists. The Franklin Institute is named after Benjamin Franklin, and this particular CIA cult operated/operates out of Offut Air Force base.

Eyes Wide Shut contains references to occult murder rituals, cocaine , a military officer, and secret societies.

Given the coinciding information about the Hellfire Club and Venice,
and the modern reality of Italian/sicilian mafia deeply involved in the narcotics trade , in conjuction with the CIA/paramilitary, one might suspect that Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut is based on far more than pure fantasy.

hunkahunka

01-04-2009, 02:49 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj7Hw6OnbH8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUZU0w4A5i4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCn1rfmM0vA&feature=related

hunkahunka

01-04-2009, 11:07 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GXQPh4gUVA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gvns-aTyCA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gvns-aTyCA&feature=related

hunkahunka

02-04-2009, 03:33 AM

This is the continuation of an interview with Ravenscrag mkultra victim Robert Logie in the summer of 2008, describing his life after leaving Ravenscrag
with no memory of who he was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDEwm0WEmuo&feature=channel_page

hunkahunka

02-04-2009, 04:53 PM

A Legacy of Shattered Lives
“Drug Pioneer” Was Neither Healer Nor Hero

Records disclose psychiatrist credited with revolutionizing mental treatment killed and injured patients with drugs.

by Christine Hahn

Madeleine was rolled into the operating room on a gurney and prepared for surgery, her head shaven. A local anaesthetic was applied to a portion of her scalp. The surgeon cut away a flap of skin and drilled a hole through her skull. Wielding a spatula-type instrument, he made several sweeping incisions through her brain, slicing all the way to the back of her skull. While the surgeon worked, psychiatrist Ewen Cameron stood over the young woman, plying her with questions until he was assured the surgeon had achieved the desired result. When Madeleine stared vacuously and could only grunt in response, the “surgery” ended. Madeleine lived the rest of her life an automaton in the confines of an insane asylum.

Madeleine Smith, a 28-year-old Canadian newscaster, was just one casualty of the ghoulish experiments conducted in the 1950s and early 1960s under Ewen Cameron at McGill University’s Allan Memorial Institute in Montreal.
complete article:
http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol34i1/page07.htm

Madeleine’s Story

Madeleine was a 27 year old newscaster in New York city, in the mid 1950’s. She had begun to have delusions and terrifying dreams. She thought that ‘Three Wise Men’ were constantly telling her what to do, and quit her job because they began to appear sitting on the microphone. She was referred to Dr. Cameron, who put her on Thorazine. She feared him greatly, because he was so grim and forbidding, and he asked her questions that made no sense; questions like: ‘Do you ever imagine you are being struck by molten raindrops? Fire or bullets?’. Her paranoia was made worse by her fear of Dr. Cameron. She began to believe he was working with the Three Wise men. She decided to commit suicide by taking all of the Thorazine at once, and would pace and search in her apartment endlessly trying to find where her husband had hidden the bottle. The Wise men constantly taunted and ridiculed her, telling her how worthless she was. Her husband was caring and attentive, but it had gotten so the only way she could bear to have sex with him was if she pretended he was her father.

All of her sessions with Dr. Cameron were recorded, and he always called her as he did all women, ‘Lassie’, or ‘Girlie’. His severity and disturbing questions made each ‘therapy’ session worse for Madeleine.

Madeleine finally found the bottle and took all of the Thorazine at once. Her husband, having called every two hours from work for weeks, rushed home and got her to the hospital to have her stomach pumped. On Dr. Cameron’s recommendation, she was committed to his facility at McGill University.

At the clinic, Madeleine was now subjected to more intensive ‘treatment’. She developed another hallucination she called the ‘Sloth’, and despite the countless times the electro-shock cart had been wheeled up to her rubber sheeted bed and the paddles on her temples had zapped her into oblivion, the hallucinations got worse.

Over three years she spent forty-four weeks at the clinic, consumed mountains of pills and thousands of volts. Each time she went home, she tried to kill herself.

Her final stay at the clinic was marked by a substantial increase in drugs and electroshock treatments. After each jolt of electricity, Madeleine would have convulsions. A rubber gag was inserted into her mouth to keep her from biting her tongue off. Usually every morning she received six separate bursts of electricity.

The figure for Europe was similar. Tens of thousands of lobotomies were performed in the Pacific Basin and India. There, the technique was simpler- a sufficiently strong electro-shock put them to sleep and was cheaper than an anesthetic. “A ‘trocar’, a graduated instrument rather like a miniature ice pick, was driven through the bony orbit behind the eye socket and tapped gently with a surgeon’s mallet to destroy brain cells and nerve fibers. Three or four patients could be handled in an hour.” (p. 219)

Madeleine Smith’s lobotomy was slightly more sophisticated:

“A theater porter wheeled Madeleine and he and the nurse transferred her from the trolley onto the operating table. Madeleine wore only a surgical gown. She stared, fully conscious, into the powerful overhead light.

“The radical lobotomy would be performed under a local anesthetic so that the surgeon could immediately judge her disorientation, indicating how successful was his severing of her frontal lobes. Until he observed the required signs, he would continue to destroy that portion of her brain.

“Do you feel anything, lassie?” Dr. Cameron always asked. Madeleine mumbled as he peeled back the skin on her forehead, exposing the bone.

Using the surgeon’s drill, “He drilled for a few moments and a fine spray of bone shavings spumed into the air…After he finally retracted the brace, the resident collected the skull shavings from Madeleine’s head and placed them in a small gallipot. The dust would be used to fill up the burr hole at the end of the operation.”

“Madeleine’s brain was exposed, milky pink in color.”

“The surgeon asked for a long steel spatula that had replaced the wire stylet Dr. Moniz had used as a leucotome in his first operations; the stylet had proven not to be stiff enough, and the wire had a tendency to bend in a patient’s brain, traversing through blood vessels and tissue not meant to be destroyed. The journals had been filled with accounts of patients who had started to have epileptic seizures and other serious complications caused by the wire. The spatula was an altogether more sturdy weapon.”

“Lassie, count to ten.”
A series of grunts came from Madeleine.

“The surgeon inserted the spatula into the burr hole. He worked to a definite routine: down a few centimeters, then a pause to move the instrument a few centimeters laterally. Each move destroyed more of Madeleine’s brain.”

“Can you sing your favorite song?”
A strange moaning came from Madeleine.

“The surgeon drove the spatula further into her brain, extending and widening the wound, from which blood oozed.

“Lassie, count to ten.”
There was a grunt from Madeleine.

The surgeon continued to destroy her brain.
“Do you feel sleepy?”
She gave the same response.

The surgeon withdrew the spatula and asked for a cannula, a heavy-gauge hypodermic needle. He inserted it in the hole and, using steady pressure, drove it down to the spheroidal, the bony ridge at the base of the skull. The cannula was withdrawn. Once more he inserted the spatula, and swung its handle upward, so that the blade could be drawn along the base of her skull and a cut made as far to the side as possible in her brain.”

“Dr. Cameron continued to ask questions. They were part of what he termed the disorientation yardstick- his means of knowing how much brain destruction was being acheived.

“Lassie, speak to me.”
A further grunt.

The surgeon continued, and finally she made no more sounds, closed her eyes and fell into a stupor.

“Dr. Cameron bent over Madeleine. Removing the eyeshield, he lifted one and then another of her eyelids. She stared vacuously back at him.

“Lassie, its all over, no more pain.”

Later that day, Madeleine was transferred to St. Jean de Dieu hospital, to enter the custodial care of the religious sisters who maintained a number of zombies like her.”

Between 1944 and 1960, over 100,000 lobotomies had been performed in the US.

In the 1950’s and 60’s, the US government was obsessed with discovering secrets of ‘mind control’. At McGill University, in Montreal, Canada, the American Dr. Donald Ewen Cameron ran a clinic. Many of his patients were lobotomized, and sent to an oblivion some remain in today.

So let me get this straight…. stick an ice pick in my eye, cut off parts of my brain, skull shavings run a muck in the air, all to make me better, and, I will most likely end up a vegetable that is if I am not in that percentile that dies from the procedure, ahh, let me think about this one… no thanks … doctor.

That was how it was, but the propoganda made it sound like some miricle cure to those “nutty relatives” you really do not want bugging you.

The really sad thing is how many families agreed to have this done to their loved ones because of the hype and propoganda, I doubt they ever got the details of what a “good” result was.

http://torture.justsickshit.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/my_lobotomy-freeman_operating.jpg

quite the modest, inauspicious little place, hm? :
St. Jean de Dieu Hospital:

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7669/quebeckirkbride.jpg
St. Jean de Dieu Hospital

Monday, February 25, 2008
Ghosts of Gamelin

Denis Lazure has died at 82. In his dotage the former provincial Quebec cabinet minister psychiatrist campaigned against the upcoming creation of a new English hospital here. He thought the government should fund only a French one.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_H_qVyVvy8AI/R8Lsv9OFrGI/AAAAAAAAD1o/LQk7FslVwSU/s200/laz.gif

But Lazure knew a lot about another hospital. Lazure might have taken some hefty secrets into the afterlife about the Duplessis Orphans at the St. Jean de Dieu. You'll recall how mentally healthy children who committed the sin of having no parents were put into mental hospitals here as a provincial money-making scam. A young Lazure saw this in action at the Louis H. Lafontaine Hospital (then known as St. Jean de Dieu) in the east end. The hospital had the ideal cover - it constituted a separate municipality called Gamelin, which had no full time residents, but technically did its own policing. Occasionally a doctor would express shock at what he saw in the hospital, which included a description of a five-year-old boy chained to a radiator. Others included the routine induction of diabetic comas which often resulted in death and the freeflowing use of Heinz Lehmann's newly-developed largytil, known as the chemical straitjacket. Lazure was among those who encouraged Gamelin to do the obvious and join the city of Montreal. Much of what happened behind those spooky doors will never be known.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_H_qVyVvy8AI/R8L0H9OFrMI/AAAAAAAAD2Y/kjhVx9iFYLc/s1600/32448.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2820/quebeckirkbride2.jpg

As you can see in the two overhead shots, much of the hospital has been demolished.

hunkahunka

02-04-2009, 09:20 PM

http://photos18.flickr.com/23115023_f3fc5dd07a.jpg
Sally Field
http://gracemagazine.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/kurtcobain250.jpg
Kurt Cobain

Hows this for a coincidence? The top photo is of Sally Field, who starred as main character 'Sybil', in the television movie Sybil, about a little girl whose mind is shattered into multiple personalities through horrific sexual, physical, and psychological abuse.

Then twenty years later the identical photo is taken of Kurt Cobain, who thousands now suspect of having been sexually abused/monarch programmed into MPD/DID.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics/news3/Sybil_30thAnniversarySE.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w162/kurt_cobain_4ever/kurt_cobain_102.jpg

hunkahunka

03-04-2009, 07:36 PM

what the troops are really fighting for in Afghanistan:

http://dominionpaper.ca/weblog/img/canadian_soldiers.jpg

onourwayto2012

03-04-2009, 08:27 PM

hunkahunka

03-04-2009, 11:27 PM

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4zy9XFu1894/SB9E34KPkwI/AAAAAAAAAU8/onESkrK6FcA/s400/She%27s+a+rainbow+single1l.jpg

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x877le_united-states-of-tara-trailer_fun

http://bab-jane.deviantart.com/art/She-s-A-Rainbow-115916340

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLUAbkRUvVQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyGq4keRlrA&feature=related

http://th08.deviantart.com/fs42/300W/i/2009/073/4/d/She__s_Like_A_Rainbow_by_BaB_Jane.jpg

hunkahunka

04-04-2009, 03:38 AM

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/27679071_b736002f65.jpg?v=0

Cobain wrote a song called 'Floyd the Barber' , which was based on
the fantasy of being tied up, tortured , and sexually abused by cast
members of the Andy Griffith Show:

lyrics to Kurt Cobain's song 'Floyd the Barber'

Bell on door clangs, come on in
Floyd observes my hairy chin
Sit down chair don't be afraid
Steamed hot towel on my face

I was Shaved
I was Shaved
I was Shaved

Barney ties me to the chair
I can't see I'm really scared
Floyd breathes hard I hear a zip
Pee pee pressed against my lips

I was Shamed
I was Shamed
I was Shamed

I sense others in the room
Opey, Aunt Bee, I presume
They take turns and cut me up
I died smothered in Aunt Bee's muff.

I was Shaved
I was Shaved
I was Shaved

the plot line of the Andy Griffith show mirrors Cobain's life pretty closely. One of the main characters, Opie, is a six year old blonde boy in a small town who lives with his father ( no mother ) and assorted caregivers (including an Aunt, just as Cobain lived with his aunt at times, who encouraged his guitar playing) :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/TAGS_title.JPG

The Andy Griffith Show is an American sitcom first televised by CBS between October 3, 1960 and April 1, 1968. Andy Griffith portrays a widowed sheriff in a fictional small community of Mayberry, North Carolina. His life is complicated by an inept but well-meaning deputy, Barney Fife (Don Knotts), a spinster aunt and housekeeper, Aunt Bee (Frances Bavier), and a young son, Opie (Ron Howard). Local ne'er-do-wells, bumbling pals, and temperamental girlfriends further complicate his life.

also interesting is that Cobain's father eventually became a highway patrol officer.

http://www.geocities.com/andysparkway/opie_aunt_bea_sing.jpg
Opie and Aunt Bee

http://www.tvparty.com/bgifs9/floyd.jpg
Floyd the Barber

The Andy Griffith Show: Floyd, the Gay Deceiver

Season 3 Episode 9 (1962)
Plot Synopsis by Hal Erickson

Barber Floyd panics when his female pen-pal Madeline Grayson (Doris Dowling) arrives in town. It seems that Floyd has been claiming that he is a wealthy financier, and hasn't the nerve to tell Madeline the truth ("Oh, I'm a cad, Andy. Uh-uh-uh -I'm a cad!") After agreeing to help Floyd out, Andy discovers that "The Widow Grayson" isn't all she has claimed to be either. First telecast on November 26, 1962, "Floyd, the Gay Deceiver" was written by Aaron Ruben.

When Monarch slaves watch television, the shows they watch can relate to their programming in the following ways.

1. First, many of the shows have code words or programming scenarios which are deliberately in the shows to control the slaves: such as Star Wars, Star Trek, The Wizard of Oz, the Love Boat, Fantasy Island, I Dream of Jeanie (Delta Genie in the bottle programming, and "YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND" type trigger), The Little Princess, the Miss Universe Contest 1995, Duck Tails (created to control child slaves, with deliberate triggers such as "earthquack"), Bobby’s World cartoon, Steven Spielberg’s Tiny Toons, My Fair Lady (used in several of the slave finishing schools), ET (for alien programming), etc.

2. Some of the shows which are supposedly pure fiction show elements of actual Illuminati ceremonies, Illuminati history, drug running methods, etc., such Bell, Book & Candle, Burn Witch Burn, Curse of The Voodoo, Equinox, Manos, The Hands of Fate, Witchcraft ‘70, as Spirits of the Living Dead, Frankenstein, Night of the Living Dead, Bewitched (with actual witches as actors). Raising Cain shows torture and MPD. Hellraiser 3 depicts "gatekeepers."

3. Some of the shows portray the Monarch total mind-control program (!): Telephon, The Manchurian Candidate, Videodrome, Labyrinth, Trancer II, The Attack of the Robots, Dr. Goldfoot & the Bikini Machine, Attack of the Puppet People, The War of the Zombies, Colossus-The Forbin Project, and The Point of No Return starring Jane Fonda’s Bridgett, who is connected to the OTO. (By the way, Monarch mind-controlled slaves have been shown the movie "Telephon" to emphasize to them that their minds are controlled by their handlers, and for them not to forget it.)

4. Many of the movies and shows use Monarch slaves as actors & performers: such as Rosanne Barr, Bette Mittler, Marilyn Monroe, Loretta Lynn, Crystal Gayle and possibly Wayne Newton (a child singing protege, who never wrote a check for himself in his life). They also use lots of slave handlers such as Frank Sinatra, Peter Lawford, & Bob Hope. And occasionally they use programmers such as Anton LaVey, Jerry Lee Lewis. The Illuminati Formula 12. External Controls

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/villagestreetwear_2046_308170652

dezkillaz

04-04-2009, 06:47 AM

Hello everyone I'm new on this thread, and i'm not an english native speaker so excuse me in advance if you don't understand my words, I found this thread fabulous, very well documented

here are some things that should be interesting :

in October 1995 the band Smashing Pumpkins released the song "Bullet With Butterfly Wings." Billy Corgan frontman of the band, is an ex-Courtney Love's boyfriend, and just 1 year and 6 months after Kurt Cobain's "suicide" he seems to confirm the MK theory in this case...

The lyrics seems to describe Cobain's situation before his death.

http://www.pixolator.com/zbc/attachment.php?attachmentid=8227
http://strghtfrrls.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/598px-bullet_with_butterfly_wings.jpg

the world is a vampire, sent to drain
secret destroyers, hold you up to the flames
and what do I get, for my pain
betrayed desires, and a piece of the game
even though I know-I suppose I'll show
all my cool and cold-like old job

despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
someone will say what is lost can never be saved
despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage

now I'm naked, nothing but an animal
but can you fake it, for just one more show
and what do you want, I want change
and what have you got
when you feel the same
even though I know-I suppose I'll show
all my cool and cold-like old job

despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
someone will say what is lost can never be saved
despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage

tell me I'm the only one
tell me there's no other one
jesus was an only son yeah
tell me I'm the chosen one
jesus was an only son for you

despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
someone will say what is lost can never be saved
despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage

despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a
despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a
despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage

tell me I'm the only one
tell me there's no other one
jesus was an only son for you

and I still believe that I cannot be saved
and I still believe that I cannot be saved
and I still believe that I cannot be saved
and I still believe that I cannot be saved

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"Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness is the third album by American alternative rock band The Smashing Pumpkins, released October 24, 1995, on Virgin Records. Produced by Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan with Flood and Alan Moulder, the twenty-eight-track album was released as a two-disc CD and triple LP. The album features a wide array of styles, as well as greater musical input from bassist D'arcy Wretzky and second guitarist James Iha.

Led by the single “Bullet with Butterfly Wings,” the record debuted at number one on the Billboard charts, the first and only such occurrence for the group. The album spawned four more singles—“1979”; “Zero”; “Tonight, Tonight”; and “Thirty-Three”—over the course of 1996, and has been certified nine times platinum by the RIAA. Praised by critics for its ambition and scope, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness earned the band seven Grammy Award nominations in 1997.

Corgan felt that the band's musical approach was running its course, and wanted the band to approach the album as if it were its last.[3] Corgan described the album at the time to the music press as "The Wall for Generation X", a comparison with Pink Floyd's 1979 two-LP concept album"

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In 1989, The Smashing Pumpkins made their first appearance on record with the compilation album Light Into Dark, which featured several Chicago alternative bands. The group released its first record, a limited edition single of "I Am One", in 1990 on local Chicago label Limited Potential. The single sold out and they released another single, "Tristessa", on Sub Pop, after which they signed to Caroline Records.[11] The Smashing Pumpkins recorded their 1991 debut album Gish with producer Butch Vig at his Smart Studios in Madison, Wisconsin, for $20,000.[12] In order to gain the consistency he desired, Corgan often played all instruments save drums, which created tension in the band. The music fused heavy metal guitars, psychedelia and dream pop, garnering them comparisons to Jane's Addiction.[13] Gish became a minor success, with the single "Rhinoceros" receiving some airplay on modern rock radio. After releasing the Lull EP in October 1991 on Caroline Records, the band formally signed with Virgin Records, which was affiliated with Caroline.[11] The band supported the album with a tour that included opening for bands such as the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jane's Addiction, and Guns N' Roses. During the tour, Iha and Wretzky went through a messy breakup, Chamberlin became addicted to narcotics and alcohol, and Corgan entered a deep depression,[14] writing some songs for the upcoming album in the parking garage where he lived at the time.[15]

Mainstream success: 1992–1994

With the breakthrough of alternative rock into the American mainstream due to the popularity of grunge bands such as Nirvana and Pearl Jam, The Smashing Pumpkins were poised for major commercial success. At this time, and amid their protests, the Pumpkins were routinely lumped in with the grunge movement. In a Halloween night interview on MTV's 120 Minutes in 1993, Corgan remarked, "We've graduated now from [being called] 'the next Jane's Addiction' to 'the next Nirvana,' now we're 'the next Pearl Jam.'"[16] The group nevertheless contributed the song "Drown" to the platinum-selling soundtrack of the 1992 movie Singles, a film set in the Seattle grunge music scene.

Corgan said that in the wake of Nirvana's landmark 1991 album Nevermind, "We felt a great pressure that if we didn't come up with a record that was huge, we were done. It was that simple in our minds. We felt like our lives depended on it."[6] Corgan's depression deepened to the point where he contemplated suicide.[17] To counteract his depression, Corgan worked overtime, saying he practically lived in the studio for the 1993 follow-up album, Siamese Dream. The album was recorded at Triclops Sound Studios in Atlanta, Georgia, mostly between December 1992 and March 1993. The band lived in Marietta during the sessions, as Butch Vig reprised his role as producer. The decision to record so far away from their hometown was motivated partly by the band's desire to avoid local friends and distractions during the recording, but largely as a desperate attempt to cut Chamberlin off from his known drug connections.[6] In this respect, the strategy failed, as Chamberlin quickly managed to find new connections and often was absent without any contact for days at a time.[6]

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Here in this song Corgan seems to describe a relationship between a mind programmer and his victim

ZERO - Smashing Pumpkins

My reflection, dirty mirror
There's no connection to myself
I'm your lover, I'm your zero
I'm the face in your dreams of glass
So save your prayers
For when we're really gonna need'em
Throw out your cares and fly
Wanna go for a ride?

She's the one for me
She's all I really need
Cause she's the one for me
Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness is cleanliness
And cleanliness is godliness, and god is empty just like me
Intoxicated with the madness, I'm in love with my sadness
Bullshit fakers, enchanted kingdoms
The fashion victims chew their charcoal teeth
I never let on, that I was on a sinking ship
I never let on that I was down
You blame yourself, for what you can't ignore
You blame yourself for wanting more
She's the one for me
She's all I really need
She's the one for me
She's my one and only

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee195/hugzzzz/hole-missworld.jpg
notice "Cleanliness is Godliness" similar to the lyrics of Zero (from "Miss World" video clip by Hole)

Zero video clip :
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee195/hugzzzz/smashing-zero1.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee195/hugzzzz/smashing-zero2.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee195/hugzzzz/smashing-zero3.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee195/hugzzzz/smashing-zero4.jpg
masks, mirrors, hippie cult community, + explicit lyrics, IMO too many evidences to be innocent ...

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AVA ADORE - Smashing Pumpkins

It’s you that I adore
You will always be my whore
You’ll be a mother to my child
And a child to my heart
We must never be apart
We must never be apart

Lovely girl
You’re the beauty in my world
Without you there aren’t reasons left to find

And I’ll pull your crooked teeth
You’ll be perfect just like me
You’ll be a lover in my bed
And a gun to my head
We must never be apart
We must never be apart

Lovely girl
You’re the murder in my world
Dressing coffins for the souls I’ve left to die
Drinking mercury
To the mystery of all that you should ever leave behind
In time

In you I see dirty
In you I count stars
In you I feel so pretty
In you I taste god
In you I feel so hungry
In you I crash cars
We must never be apart

Drinking mercury
To the mystery of all that you should ever seek to find
Lovely girl
You’re the murder in my world
Dressing coffins for the souls I’ve left behind
In time
We must never be apart

And you’ll always be my whore
Cause you’re the one that I adore
And I’ll pull your crooked teeth
You’ll be perfect just like me
In you I feel so dirty in you I crash cars
In you I feel so pretty in you I taste god
We must never be apart

http://www.quizilla.com/user_images/E/etherkiss/1041360155_-Billyhand.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/2zq50k1.jpg
In the video clip, Billy Corgan looks like an OTO member a sort of Aleister Crowley's avatar.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/Tarantula-smashingpumpkins.jpg
seems like there are other butterflys connections with this band...
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Alan Moulder :
Alan Moulder
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Alan Moulder
Born 11 June 1959
Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Nationality English
Occupation Record producer

Alan Moulder (born 11 June 1959, Boston, Lincolnshire, England) is one of Britain's premier alternative rock record producers. A major architect of the modern British rock sound, Moulder has worked with such artists as Depeche Mode, Gary Numan, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Ride, Lush and My Bloody Valentine, as well as with many American artists, including Nine Inch Nails, A Perfect Circle, The Smashing Pumpkins and Blonde Redhead.

Biography and career
From an early age, Moulder had an interest in music, listing among his favorite artists Cream, The Beatles, and the Bee Gees. The first album he ever bought was Electric Warrior by T. Rex, and was immediately impressed by the quality of that album's recording. He joined his first band as a teenager and recorded a demo in a local studio; it was there that he realized that it had been the production that he had so enjoyed on that T. Rex record, and discovered that he was more interested in music engineering than in performing.

Moulder's musical career truly started in the early 1980s, at Trident Studios in London. As an assistant engineer, he worked with influential producers like Jean Michel Jarre, drawing from them great familiarity with electronic sounds and textures. Also an engineer at Trident was Flood, with whom Moulder would often collaborate in the future. Moulder assisted in a recording session of Flood's, with The Jesus and Mary Chain, and found that the often fractious and troublesome band enjoyed working with him. The Mary Chain invited Moulder to engineer their live sounds and, eventually, to engineer their 1989 album Automatic. The album's production was praised for its combination of thick, noisy guitar with a polished, listener-friendly tone, and the Mary Chain's label, Creation Records, soon had Moulder producing records for Ride, My Bloody Valentine, and Swervedriver.

After working on the Glider and Tremolo EPs for My Bloody Valentine, Moulder was approached nearly simultaneously by two bands who were fans of that group. In 1992, he mixed The Smashing Pumpkins' Siamese Dream, and Ride's Going Blank Again. Then, in 1994, he co-mixed Nine Inch Nails' The Downward Spiral, which would become a landmark album of the '90s.

His work with Nine Inch Nails led to his engineering several albums for Trent Reznor's Nothing Records, including Prick's eponymous album and Marilyn Manson's debut, Portrait of an American Family. In 1995, he would again collaborate with the Smashing Pumpkins, co-producing with Flood their double album Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

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dezkillaz

04-04-2009, 08:47 AM

I reminded something about Willy Wonka's stuff already discussed in this thread and it happened to be a Hole's Song Lyrics (what a coincidence)

Hole - Forming/ Hot Chocolate Boy

He is always waiting
Gotta make a move to tell her
Hot chocolate boy
He's never met one
Hot chocolate wet one
Hot chocolate boy
Deep, sweet and bitter
Spoon out of place for breakfast
Hot chocolate boy
Hot, frosty, creamy
He was only dreaming

Hold me down, hold me up
Tell them that I'm your gun
Pull my trigger
I'm bigger than, I'm bigger than you
Tell them what it means to be on top
Pull them down, hold me up
Tell them that I'm your gun
Pull my trigger, I'm bigger than
I'm bigger than, I'm bigger than

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e1/2005AugustusGloop.JPG
"I wanted more than I could steal" Kurt Cobain

grachtengordel

04-04-2009, 01:27 PM

what the troops are really fighting for in Afghanistan:

http://dominionpaper.ca/weblog/img/canadian_soldiers.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwpbQSCORUo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fixza6ARadg

hunkahunka

04-04-2009, 04:09 PM

Hello everyone I'm new on this thread, and i'm not an english native speaker so excuse me in advance if you don't understand my words, I found this thread fabulous, very well documented

a non-english speaker, having been able to interpret and appreciate this thread and also contribute such an insightful addition to it. thanks for a great post , that Smashing Pumpkins video you referenced , 'Zero', with all the mk symbology and occult masks etc, was recorded in 1995, long before any of this venetian mask ritual stuff was widely known

Re: thread contributors, I have been looking back at excellent past posts from people, as at one point the thread received such an overwhelming response , and there were so many good leads and insights and contributions coming in at one point , that it was difficult to absorb it all and reply appropriately. I regret being unable to answer a lot of them, as at that time I was rapt in discovering a lot of my own stuff as well as trying to sort and process all the responses that were flooding in.

hunkahunka

04-04-2009, 06:04 PM

http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/film_images/Psycho_Anthony_Perkins_as_Norman_Bates.jpg
Norman Bates

video:

analysis of the classic Hitchcock film 'Psycho', touching
on the multiple personality disorder of Norman Bates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQzrIohfhVk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMNKaMeCT9M&feature=related

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/woogieboogee/Psycho/PDVD_001.bmp

dezkillaz

04-04-2009, 11:37 PM

Thank you Hunkahunka, I wasn't aware of that MKultra / Monarch system before coming here in that forum, but from the beginning I knew something was wrong with the official version of the facts in the Cobain case. I mean maybe Cobain Did commit suicide, but I can't trust the "Fame & money made him loose control" theory, to the point he was disgusted & killed himself, I believe Cobain was trapped, like Jimi Hendrix or Jim Morrisson were when they tried to escape their "programmed destiny", they were all planning to keep on their career but out of mainstream obligations. Hendrix wanted to develop his improvisation play with jazzmen, instead of being the iconic rockstar playing verse/chorus/verse for the rest of his life... Morrisson wanted to write blues and poems instead of incarning the LSD Rock'n'roll Sex Symbol... Cobain during a 1994 Seattle itw said he wanted to play in a electro new wave band or maybe concentrate his energy and talent on songwriting like Johnny Cash ("Maybe it will not be a joke"). All these wishes are legitimate but from the point of view of a producer, it could ruins all his efforts and dry up the fountain of Dollar bills...

The first thing that made me suspicious was the ambiguous friend relationship Cobain had with Dylan Carlson, Cobain said the song "in bloom" was dedicated to him :

"Hes the one
He likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he dont know what it means"

How would you take this if you're supposed to be Cobain best friend ?! Seems not too friendly... Seems like Cobain show you like a stupid brute. What is even more strange is that's Carlson who bought and brought the gun to Cobain with which he supposedly commit suicide... Life is sometimes strange but when I saw this picture on this thread :

http://www.missingpeople.net/images/Pickton%20Barn%201.jpg

a Hog Farm ? I immediatly thought about :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/Earth-Hex_cover.jpg

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"Earth is an American musical group band based in Seattle, Washington.
Active since 1990 and led by guitarist Dylan Carlson, Earth have played various styles of music, but are best known as pioneers of "drone doom" – an experimental offshot of hard rock and heavy metal, characterized by droning,minimalistic, lengthy, and repetitive structures. Earth's early albums could be seen as a variation of the experimental doom-influenced metal of The Melvins.

Biography
Dylan Carlson founded the band in 1990 along with Slim Moon and Greg Babior, taking the title "Earth" from Black Sabbath's original name. Carlson has remained the core of the band's line-up throughout its changes. Outside of the underground music world, Carlson is perhaps best known for having been a friend of grunge music icon Kurt Cobain, as well as the person who purchased the gun that Cobain later used to commit suicide.[1] After Earth had moved to Seattle, Cobain sang lead vocals in the song "Divine and Bright", from a demo included on the re-release of the live album Sunn Amps and Smashed Guitars.
The drone doom band Sunn O))), who formed as a tribute to Earth, were named after Earth's (and therefore Sunn O)))'s) amplifiers of choice, Sunn. Sunn O))) also has a song entitled "Dylan Carlson" on its demo). The drone doom supergroup Teeth of Lions Rule the Divine are named after the second song from Earth's first full-length album, Earth 2: Special Low-Frequency Version." from wikipedia

Overmore the titles of his songs really speaks for itself, full of mythology and esoterism ;
HEX printing in the infernal method : Mirage, Land Of Some Other Order, The Dire And Ever Circling Wolves, Left In The Desert, Lens Of Unrectified Night, An Inquest Concerning Teeth, Raiford (The Felon Wind), The Dry Lake, Tethered To The Polstar. On another album called "Hibernaculum" a song is called "Ouroboro is broken"

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The title of this album lead me to William Blake with the reference of the Infernal Method printing
from the book "Marriage of Heaven & Hell" and the poem "A Memorable Fancy" :

"The Prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel dined with me, and I asked them how they dared so roundly to assert that God spake to them; and whether they did not think at the time, that they would be misunderstood, & so be the cause of imposition.
Isaiah answer'd. 'I saw no God, nor heard any, in a finite organical perception; but my senses discover'd the infinite in every thing, and as I was then perswaded, & remain confirm'd, that the voice of honest indignation is the voice of God, I cared not for consequences but wrote.'
Then I asked: 'does a firm perswasion that a thing is so, make it so?'
He replied: 'All poets believe that it does, & in ages of imagination this firm perswasion removed mountains; but many are not capable of a firm perswasion of any thing.'
Then Ezekiel said. 'The philosophy of the east taught the first principles of human perception: some nations held one principle for the origin & some another; we of Israel taught that the Poetic Genius (as you now call it) was the first principle and all the others merely derivative, which was the cause of our despising the Priests & Philosophers of other countries, and prophecying that all Gods would at last be proved to originate in ours & to be the tributaries of the Poetic Genius; it was this that our great poet King David desired so fervently & invokes so pathetic'ly, saying by this he conquers enemies & governs kingdoms; and we so loved our God. that we cursed in his name all the deities of surrounding nations, and asserted that they had rebelled; from these opinions the vulgar came to think that all nations would at last be subject to the jews.'
'This' said he, 'like all firm perswasions, is come to pass; for all nations believe the jews' code and worship the jews' god, and what greater subjection can be?'
I heard this with some wonder, & must confess my own conviction. After dinner I ask'd Isaiah to favour the world with his lost works; he said none of equal value was lost. Ezekiel said the same of his.
I also asked Isaiah what made him go naked and barefoot three years? he answer'd, 'the same that made our friend Diogenes the Grecian.'
I then asked Ezekiel why he eat dung, & lay so long on his right & left side? he answer'd, 'the desire of raising other men into a perception of the infinite; this the North American tribes practise, & is he honest who resists his genius or conscience. only for the sake of present ease or gratification?'

The ancient tradition that the world will be consumed in fire at the end of six thousand years is true, as I have heard from Hell.
For the cherub with his flaming sword is hereby commanded to leave his guard at the tree of life, and when he does, the whole creation will be consumed and appear infinite and holy whereas it now appears finite & corrupt.
This will come to pass by an improvement of sensual enjoyment.
But first the notion that man has a body distinct from his soul is to be expunged; this I shall do, by printing in the infernal method, by corrosives, which in Hell are salutary and medicinal, melting apparent surfaces away, and displaying the infinite which was hid.
If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite.
For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narow chinks of his cavern."

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http://hervedommange.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/deadman.jpg

And It also Reminds me Of a film called DEAD MAN (of Jim Jarmush) released in 1995 : (from wikipedia)

Dead Man is a 1995 film written and directed by Jim Jarmusch. It stars Johnny Depp, Gary Farmer, Billy Bob Thornton, Iggy Pop, Crispin Glover, John Hurt, Michael Wincott, Lance Henriksen, and Robert Mitchum (in his final role). The movie is something of a Modern Western, dubbed a "psychedelic Western" by director Jarmusch,[1] which includes twisted elements of the Western Genre. The film is shot entirely in black-and-white. Some consider it the ultimate postmodern Western, and related to postmodern literature such as Cormac McCarthy's novel, Blood Meridian.

Plot
William Blake (Johnny Depp), a meek accountant from Cleveland, Ohio, rides by train to the frontier company town of Machine to assume a promised job with the company "Dickinson Metalworks". The journey he embarks on portrays violent dark facets and ironic musings of the history of the American Old West.

During the trip, a Fireman (Crispin Glover) warns Blake has come all the way "out to hell" and says "you're just as likely to find your own grave". Immediately after this foreboding conversation with the Fireman, Blake is startled by the passengers massacring buffalo herds, as they begin shooting at them from the windows of the moving train. Arriving at the factory, Blake discovers someone else was already hired, and is driven away at gunpoint by John Dickinson (Robert Mitchum), the ferocious owner of the company. Jobless and without money or prospects, Blake meets Thel Russell (Mili Avital), a former prostitute who sells paper flowers, and lets her take him home. Thel's ex-boyfriend Charlie (Gabriel Byrne) surprises them in bed and shoots Blake, accidentally killing Thel when she tries to shield Blake with her body. A wounded Blake shoots and kills Charlie with Thel's gun before climbing dazedly out the window and fleeing Machine on a stolen pinto. Company-owner Dickinson, the father of Charlie, hires three legendary frontier killers — Cole Wilson (Lance Henriksen), Conway Twill (Michael Wincott), and Johnny "the Kid" Pickett (Eugene Byrd) — to cooperate in capturing Blake dead or alive, accusing Blake as the murderer of his son and Thel. All three bounty hunters remark that they normally work alone. Dickinson emphasizes retrieving the pinto.

Blake awakens to find a large American Indian (Gary Farmer) treating his wound. The Indian, calling himself Nobody, reveals that the bullet is too close to Blake's heart to remove, and Blake is effectively already dead. When he learns Blake's full name, Nobody decides Blake is William Blake,[4] the poet and artist whom he idolizes but of whom accountant Blake himself is prosaically ignorant. Blake learns of Nobody's past involving Nobody's childhood abduction to England where he is used as a political exhibit and is trained to appear as a tamed and civilized former savage. In his studies he discovers William Blake's art and poetry. He returns to America ostracized and abandoned by his own people and takes the name "Nobody".

Seeing Blake as already dead, Nobody resolves to escort Blake to the Pacific Ocean to prepare him for the spirit-world, determined to make him a legendary killer of white men who interfere with their journey.

Blake and Nobody travel west, leaving a trail of their dead enemies and encountering wanted posters announcing higher and higher bounties for Blake's death or capture. One night they encounter a camp of three homicidal fur trappers eating opossum and beans. Nobody describes the fur trappers as "stupid white men". Nobody suggests to Blake that he go to their camp. Blake reluctantly goes to the camp. The fur trappers, with implicit homosexual intent, admire and begin fondling Blake's soft hair, hat, and suit. Two of the fur trappers begin arguing about who "gets him". The argument escalates into a shootout with Blake and Nobody killing all three of them.

Meanwhile the three bounty hunters become suspicious of each other. Twill tells Pickett that Wilson fucked, killed and cannibalized his parents. Shortly thereafter Wilson gets into an argument with Pickett and kills him for saying "fuck you." Later Wilson kills Twill off-screen (after Twill had begun guessing Wilson's nationality) and eats his remains.

Nobody eats peyote and decides Blake must be left alone in the wilderness to have a vision quest. While alone, Blake has haunting visions of American Indian warriors, experiences the beauty of his natural surroundings, and grieves over a dead fawn. Two U.S. Marshals find Blake's horse and soon encounter Blake himself. When they ask if he is William Blake, he says yes and asks them if they know of his poetry. He then pulls his gun and kills both of them. Their bodies are later found by Wilson and Twill. Wilson squashes the head of a dead Marshall with his boot and says it "looks like a goddamn religious icon".

Blake and Nobody reunite and they continue their journey. At a trading post, a bigoted missionary (Alfred Molina) identifies Blake and attempts to kill him, resulting in a shootout where the missionary is killed. Blake is shot again by a nameless bounty hunter. Although Blake kills him, his condition rapidly deteriorates.

Nobody takes him by river to a Makah village and convinces the tribe to give him a sea canoe for Blake's ship burial. Blake deliriously trudges through the village before collapsing from his injuries. He awakens in a canoe on a beach, wearing Native American funeral dress. Nobody bids Blake farewell and pushes him out to sea. As he floats away, Blake watches Wilson ambush Nobody, but he is too weak to cry out and can only watch as the two shoot and kill each other. As Blake gazes up at the clouds for the last time, he dies, and his canoe drifts out to sea.

Note : The Soundtrack was composed by Neil Young who is referred in the supposed Cobain's suicide note with the words of the songwritter "It's better to burn out than to fade away."
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It also remind me that in "Last Days" The main character is called "Blake" a possible glimpse to jarmush scenario ? the dots would be connected between
Dylan Carlson > Neil Young > Jarmush > Van Sant...

humito

04-04-2009, 11:45 PM

dezkillaz

05-04-2009, 01:03 AM

quote

Greg Sage, lead singer of perhaps Kurt's (and definitely mine) favorite band The Wipers did an interview a while back where he talked about the record companies and their shady behavior, along with his slight suspicion about Kurt's death. It seems to me Greg was indirectly implying that he thinks the Record Industry murdered Kurt because he was going to quit the business and go back to his indie roots. Hre's a link and a quote or two:

Interview with Greg Sage of The Wipers

"Smokebox: You’ve mentioned Kurt Cobain in some of your past interviews, and he produced the "14 Songs for Greg Sage and the Wipers" CD; things didn’t end up too pleasantly for him, either. It seems that the big industry push in the nineties that had Nirvana as the next big thing, it seems that was just too much for him to handle. You knew him personally, didn’t you?

Sage: Yeah.

Smokebox: Do you think that was a big part of it, that the industry tried to make a big money machine out of his band?

Sage: Well, I can’t really speculate other than what he said to me, which was, he wasn’t at all happy about it, success to him seemed like, I think, a brick wall. There was nowhere else to go but down, it was too artificial for him, and he wasn’t an artificial person at all. He was actually, two weeks after he died, he was supposed to come here and he wanted to record a bunch of Leadbelly covers. It was kind of in secret, because, I mean, people would definitely not allow him to do that. You also have to wonder, he was a billion-dollar industry at the time, and if the industry had any idea at all of him wishing or wanting to get out, they couldn’t have allowed that, you know, in life, because if he was just to get out of the scene, he’d be totally forgotten, but if he was to die, he’d be immortalized.

Smokebox: That’s quite a statement.

Sage: Don’t get me wrong on that subject, I’m not trying to state that I thought that he was murdered due to his wish to get out of the Nevermind hit record mindset. It was just an odd set of circumstances up to that point. So, I always kind of wonder about that end of the business, because when you’re a billion-dollar industry, you’re not a free artist at all, you’re just under a state of Mafia control. I mean, I even had my life threatened, basically twice, from that end of that establishment, because of some people wanting to put out movies with, including some songs that I wrote. I was basically told, for my own good, to say no, and I would say to them, "well, so okay, I wrote a song, and if someone wanted to pay me a million dollars to use it, I should say no?" And they said, "Correct." And they’d just say, "it’s in your best interests." So, I can’t say my life was threatened, but the tone of it was very, very uh…

Smokebox: …Ominous?

Sage:…very, very ominous! And then when I’d say, "Well, are you guys planning on paying us royalties for the stuff of mine that they’ve covered, that you’ve released?" and they would hang up. So, you can formulate your own opinion off that, I’m not going to say, but that end of the business is really, as you said, ominous.

Other thing that confirm Greg Sage's feeling toward criminal ties with the music industry :

Youtube Kurt Cobain 1993 ITW SEATTLE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRvRo-mPT0&feature=related) and go to 6:33...

You will hear this :
- "We thought maybe we should hire a lawyer to stop them to do it and then we just decided to hire an hitman...
- what?
no nothing, no erase that"

other thing that maybe too evident to you as native english speakers, but to me it sounds strange : Hurt & Pain rhymes with Kurt Cobain...

hunkahunka

05-04-2009, 06:23 AM

http://www.sott.net/signs/images/anton&john.jpeg
Skull n' Bones member John Kerry with Church of Satan leader Anton La Vey

check out this video from Russ Dizdar. He is full of startling facts on Satanic Ritual Abuse:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C4979C92BF881316&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL

dezkillaz

06-04-2009, 04:02 AM

http://a.imagehost.org/0704/jesseandbill.jpg

"Steven "Jesse" Bernstein (December 4, 1950 – October 22, 1991) was an American underground writer and performance artist who is most famous for his recordings with Sub Pop Records and close relationship with William S. Burroughs. Bernstein's substance abuse issues and mental illness contributed to his provocative local celebrity, though they ultimately culminated in his suicide.

Steven Jay Bernstein was born in Los Angeles, California. He moved to Seattle, Washington in January, 1967, where he adopted the moniker Jesse, and began performing and self-publishing chapbooks of his poetry (the first chapbook was Choking On Sixth, 1978). Bernstein would become something of an icon to many in Seattle's underground music scene. Notable fans included Kurt Cobain and Oliver Stone. Bernstein's mental illness was not as alarming as it might have been off the stage, as his drug-reinforced manic episodes were harnessed and channeled into engrossing, often perverse, entertainment. According to one Seattle newspaper, he opened for music acts such as Nirvana, Big Black, Soundgarden, U-Men, and The Crows:

"I am Secretly an Important Man", a collection of poetry, short stories, and spoken performances, was released in March of 1996 by Zero Hour Publishing.

His song "A Little Bit Of Everything (That Brought Me Down To This)" was also included on the two-cd set "Home Alive", the proceeds from which benefited women's self-defense groups in the Seattle area.

Trivia

* The voice of the Narrator in Wizard People, Dear Reader is based on Bernstein."

Lots of suicides, murders or "accidents" around William S. Burroughs...

dezkillaz

06-04-2009, 05:00 AM

A legacy of poetic provocation

By REGINA HACKETT
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER ART CRITIC

Kurt Cobain thought Steven Jesse Bernstein's suicide was romantic. Sharing this view with Larry Reid brought the conversation to an unpleasant close.

"I told him he was talking horseshit," said Reid, curator of "More Noise Please: A Portrait of Steven Jesse Bernstein," opening tonight at Experience Music Project.

Master of ceremonies on Seattle's counterculture arts scene for decades, Reid could sell wool to sheep but cut no ice with Cobain, who followed Bernstein's example a few years later.

Neither did Reid get far with Oliver Stone, who used a track from Bernstein's posthumously produced spoken word "Prison" album (Sub Pop) for the opening of "Natural Born Killers."

"Oliver Stone told me he didn't believe that Jesse had killed himself," said Reid. "I said I was sure he had, but Stone kept talking about the research he'd done, that less than 1 percent of suicides slit their throats. It's just not a way people choose to go."

Being in the minority was a way of life for Bernstein. Dead at 40, he would have made a great old man. Poet, performance artist, playwright, actor and friend of what he called the expendable people, he was already practicing to be an elder of the tribe when he took a pass on the rest of his life one morning in Neah Bay, Oct. 22, 1991, after calling his closest friends to say goodbye.

That must have taken days. If nobody but Bernstein's closest friends show up at EMP, they'll fill the room.

Known in London as the godfather of grunge, he didn't live to hear the term and undoubtedly would have disdained it.

He not only liked the naked elegance of the music, he helped shape it, opening for the bands (Nirvana, Big Black, Soundgarden, U-Men, the Crows) who went on to the big time, and working the crowd into a ecstatic heat.

He liked to cause a stir. When in the mood, he added to his legend. When not, he complained about it.

"All the stories about me are true," he said. Here's a few that plausible witnesses have verified.

He read poems from a stage with a live rodent in his mouth, its tail twitching as baseline punctuation. He tried to cut his heart out in order to hold it in his hands and calm it down. He once urinated on a heckler and tended to throw things: beer bottles, manuscripts, drumsticks, his wallet, a sandwich.

He never romanticized the mental illness that plagued him.

He was the first punk poetry slammer.

He was irresistible to women.

This is also true: He wrote best when sober, which he was for most of the 1980s. He hated being poor and tried to find a regular job with a salary, medical benefits and maybe even a small pension.

Nobody would hire him.

In his body and with his own singular gestures, he was his own art form. Photographing him gave several of Seattle's best photographers their start, including Alice Wheeler, Arthur S. Aubry, Louie Raffloer and Charles Peterson. Artists drew him or designed posters for him, many of whom are now far better known than he is, including Art Chantry, Lynda Barry and Charles Burns.

Small with bow legs and tattoos running up his arms, he had a gravelly voice that become slurred when he neglected to put in his teeth for his late-night phone calls to many willing and semi-willing listeners.

They rarely needed to say anything. On the phone he said it all, from the history of poetics and the crimes of Henry Kissinger to the need for cheaper breakfast cereal and the search for a sustaining form of God's grace.

The dispossessed he accepted unconditionally until he lost his temper and told them to beat it. The comfortable he liked to kid.

He loved William Burroughs, and that love may have been the younger poet's undoing. Bernstein was a great poet and a lousy novelist. The poems he tossed off; the novels in a Burroughs vein took up much of his time.

Like most of the best American poets, Bernstein was a great cataloger. Between the space of two commas, he could move from gobs of spit to the Milky Way. Maybe he'll be remembered for his lines, not whole poems, but lines that linger in the mind forever.

Here's Bernstein on the great outdoors: "I put my mouth to the road and suck."

On eating: "I sneak a cream of wheat sandwich and stale sweet roll, wash it down with juice squeezed from a leather belt."

On drinking: "There are rooms full of spooks drunk on dish soap spiked with whatever was left on the tables when the bar closed."

On evolution: "Life originally came from miles of dead parties, decomposing cardboard, sequins, noise makers and sadness."

On midlife crisis: "Men who look confused, like fish getting clubbed on the pier."

On autobiography: "The following is pure fiction. I've been handsome and popular all my life."

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He also appeared on a film directed by Wegenka :

Birthright
The story of a rebel with a cause, this dystopic art film takes place in a future where humans have become drones in a decaying post-industrial hive.

BIRTHRIGHT, the story of a rebel with a cause, takes place in a future where humans have become drones in a decaying,post- industrial hive. Natural childbirth is forbidden. Childhood is sacrificed to regimented training,education, and socialization, completed by the age of six. Only then may a child be assigned a “mother,” who looks after his/her practical needs and no more.

Thirty-two year-old Sarah Jacobs does not fit into this society. She’s no flag-waving revolutionary, but her very nature keeps her out of step with what passes for life in this dehumanized environment. She is haunted by home-movie memories of her childhood before such activities were banned. She is fertile, while the norm is barrenness, and she dreams of bearing and raising a baby naturally. Sarah soon comes under the cold scrutiny of Dr. Steiner (Steven Jesse Bernstein), more a machine than a man, who is Head of the Asylum where social deviants are "reconditioned."

dezkillaz

06-04-2009, 06:31 AM

A little Advice by the Byrds...

The Byrds - So You Want To Be A Rock 'n' Roll Star Lyrics

So you want to be a rock and roll star?
Then listen now to what I say.
Just get an electric guitar
Then take some time
And learn how to play.
And with your hair swung right,
And your pants too tight
It's gonna be all right.
Then it's time to go downtown
Where the agent man won't let you down.
Sell your soul to the company
Who are waiting there to sell plastic ware.
And in a week or two
If you make the charts
The girls'll tear you apart.

The price you paid for your riches and fame,
Was it all a strange game?
You're a little insane.
The money, the fame, and the public acclaim,
Don't forget who you are,
You're a rock and roll star.

hunkahunka

07-04-2009, 03:41 AM

Dezkillas, killer posts, please keep em coming. I like the way you
reference the full range of the subject matter, you are really seeing
the bigger picture.

Here is a recent interview of Russ Dizdar by Dr. Stan Monteith:

http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net:8080/031709b.mp3

mms://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net/radioliberty/031709b.mp3

hunkahunka

07-04-2009, 04:18 PM

Kurt Cobain vanished from a drug rehab, the Exodus Recovery Center in Marina Del Ray, California, days before he died. He is said to have jumped over a courtyard wall, because no one saw him leave but what is interesting is that Exodus Recovery Center was a small 20-bed ward of a larger hospital, then known as Daniel Freeman Marina Hospital.

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What is interesting is that this hospital was part of a complex of two hospitals in west Los Angeles both owned by the masonic order
Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet . who founded Daniel Freeman Memorial Hospital and later purchased Daniel Freeman Marina Hospital. (seems to me that these operatives (CIA?) regularly fund/buy out existing Catholic charities to acquire both the reputable image and charitable tax status of these organizations)
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Centinela Freeman Health System operates three hospitals in located in the West Los Angeles area of California in the United States, collectively known as the Centinela Freeman Regional Medical Center:

* Centinela Campus in Inglewood; formerly known as Centinela Hospital
* Memorial Campus in Inglewood; formerly known as Daniel Freeman Memorial Hospital
* Marina Campus in Marina del Rey; formerly known as Daniel Freeman Marina Hospital

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Centinela Freeman Regional Medical Center, Marina Campus is a hospital in Marina del Rey, California, USA. The hospital was formerly known as Daniel Freeman Marina Hospital after it was purchased in 1980 by the Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet, who founded Daniel Freeman Memorial Hospital.[1][2
The hospital's rehab center has treated celebrities such as Jean-Claude Van Damme, Matthew Perry, Kurt Cobain, and Dennis Wilson.[6]

Now this entity is even larger , with three hospitals in the same region:

* Centinela Campus in Inglewood; formerly known as Centinela Hospital
* Memorial Campus in Inglewood; formerly known as Daniel Freeman Memorial Hospital
* Marina Campus in Marina del Rey; formerly known as Daniel Freeman Marina Hospital

I had read that the rehab ward that Cobain was in was part of a larger hospital that was once called Marina Mercy Hospital, later its name changed
Danial Freeman Marina Hospital, and that this hospital also contained a locked down psychiatric ward.

I did a search on Marina Mercy Hospital and found this at a site mindfreedom.org:

http://www.mindfreedom.org/personal-stories/ewbankrobertdrake/

Brief History:

I had been having a series of weird experiences that caused me to want to leave Seattle when the King Tut exhibition came into town in the summer of 1978. I was not in too great a shape emotionally but I wasn’t psychotic or any of the categories of "mental illness" that they label people.

At that time, I decided to go hitchhiking and to work on writing my first book. I put a bunch of stuff in a bag and started out from Olympia Washington after getting a ride to there from a person I was actually trying to get away from or out of my life. I was 23 years old, and this was around the first week in July.

I continued south on Interstate 5, getting a ride through Portland from a guy that said he just beat up one of the city council members in Camas, Washington and threw all of his furniture in the river and was going to drive to Reno to become a card dealer in a casino. He was driving at about four zillion miles an hour and was all over the road. He was drunk out of his mind. I was scared shitless so I offered to drive. So I drove him almost to the Oregon border. Oddly, when he woke up near the California border, he had remarkably sobered, he turned the car around and went right back to Camas as if he had just gone that far to drop me off. I camped at a rest area and the next day, on the way out to the coast highway through Grants Pass, the rides began to get even more odd and people's behavior even more inexplicably unsettling.

Further down the coast, as I was coming into San Francisco, I noticed a very large digital business clock near the place in the highway where you go over the bridge into San Francisco coming down the coast highway out of Sausalito. It had the wrong time on it. I’ll never forget it, it read 3:05 in the morning. It was 11:45 in the evening.

In Berkeley, two sleazy persons picked me up – one was named Bill and the other George. They said that they were 'film producers' - I had no clue what they were. I proceeded to get tricked into…what happened was I was basically homosexually assaulted in a hotel room [Room 117] at the Oakland Marriott Hotel. I left there upset, though seemed to have physically survived it, however it was going to have some telling emotional effects a little later in my journey.

Anyway, I ended up the next morning near the freeway in Oakland getting picked up by a scientologist on his way to Los Angeles. He kept stopping to take pictures along the way and the van we were in overheated just before we reached Grapevine Pass north of LA. I tried to stay awake on this drive and late that day we got into LA to his house that he shared with other scientologists. He said that he dealt in 'Royal' copiers. The scientologists seemed odd and futuristic, talking about the nature of reality as 'postulated' according to plans that their sect had made. All of it made me uncomfortable and uneasy, and, try as I might, after I arrived at the place in west LA, I was unable to stay awake until 3:05. There was something important about that time, somehow I felt that I had to stay alert, like things would happen then at night.

When I woke up, I left the scientologists house, and began to walk around LA, I began to see things that were just like a few of the premonitions that I had had in Seattle before I left.

The premonitions were progressively more frequent and more inexplicably real, happening in a number of different places in LA, and things continued to get weirder and worse and I was still afraid to fall asleep and stayed up drinking coffee and wandering about for a day and one half. I became exhausted and felt more and more anxious. I had so many things that happened that I did not believe possible, and I had seen intimations of much of it before in my premonitions, and what it was became more vivid, more impossible, and more extreme. I saw people that I had dreamed about, places and events that I had dreamed about, and what finally happened is the course of events of the dreams broke. Actually, I broke them on purpose and also realised that what had happened in Oakland had broken them. What happened to me in LA was in so vivid and so unlikely and when the those events really started happening, I could not deal with it - and after what had happened, I purposely changed parts of the courses of many of those premontory events. Eventually, though, I could not keep it together. I ended up in a cab headed to the Los Angeles airport - LAX - to try to get out of LA. And I was despondent after all that had happened to me. I thought I had really screwed something up and that what I had failed to do had put people in jeopardy. I felt too like I had let myself down. I got to the airport I was in tears, unable to stop crying, and extremely emotionally damaged. I tried to phone my parents from the airport and could not get the phone to make a long distance call or collect call, I tried several phones and they were all broken this way. It was terrifying, as if I was stuck there and would never get out. No one would believe it, except none of the phones would dial out. So I panicked.

I ended up calling the operator and saying I was in intense emotional distress and I needed either a priest or a doctor. So they sent airport security, who were a real bunch of goons, and otherwise, were horrific enough to be worse than the broken nightmare that I had just gone through. They locked me in a cell and tried to find out who my parents were, I think that they succeeded in reaching them.

I ended up going from there in a police car and then to Marina Mercy Hospital, which is now called Daniel Freeman Hospital. I was in holding area on a gurney and a male nurse with a the word 'Royal' embroidered on his hospital outfit came in. He went, 'You know something, Johnny Rotten here [my hair was short, and was cut punk style], ain’t got nothin’ on Bill and George.' The reference to what had happened in Oakland was unmistakeable, except that I was in Los Angeles - I had no way in any rational scheme that I knew of to explain this. I became more terrified at what had been done to me, and more fearful that it was not just a random occurence. I was also given some sort of injection there, though oddly it was not anything that was sedating - as I stayed awake a while longer.

I was transported to LA County hospital, given full body X-rays [for a behavioral issue no less] and was sent by armed guard to Clinic 3 [mentioned in Joseph Wambaugh's book 'The Choir Boys' on page 240 paper edition] in the morning to supposedly be matrixed out to another outside mental health facility, mostly I waited all that day and my father, alerted by a call from the police at the airport, flew down to pick me up from there. While being questioned by one of the staff, I remember seeking the floor crying because I didn’t want to see anybody hurt. It was like a zoo. It was like a weird, toxic, horrible, polluted, blown-out nuclear landscape that you couldn’t wake up from. The staff working there were powerful, frightening and unreal, souless, angry, and consumptive - right on top of everyone who had the misfortune to be picked up and get locked up there. I was extremely scared but I was still starkly aware of what was going on around me. While in the triage room, I remember that I was close to physically trying to prevent them from putting others in restraints there, considering trying to throw myself on them to keep them from gagging a man and putting him in four-point restraints in front of me for simply trying to pull aside a chair near one of them so he could sit in it - it was just that it was not where he was supposed to sit - and for the annoyance they locked him in restraints in front of me - as a demonstration. My dad finally came and took me out of there via the same Los Angeles airport I was picked up at. Camera flashes were going off everywhere when I was in the airport - even my father thought it especially odd.

This was so startling, terrifying, and so unreal, that I did not say a word about it to anyone for 5 years - I was that scared of what happened as well as escaping the clutches and confrontations of those who staffed Clinic 3 - I felt like I would never get away from that experience or be far enough out of the reach of those people. I had started as pretty much simple and reasonably normal suburban youth, and after some weird dreams and an encounter with the cops and the nightmare that was happening in that psych ward, I was reduced to being a labelled and incapacitated individual.

I was released from the clinic and returned to Seattle under the condition that I see a psychiatrist. When I got back, my parents put me on the phone with the one that they knew - and, after seeing what I saw, I refused to go to an appointment the next morning at 7. He angrily insisted that I would be there - and the final words he said in the conversation phone was 'I hope you can sleep tonight' in a very annoyed and warning tone. The next morning I woke with my parents both in my room holding me down in my bed as I had been screaming and shaking in my sleep. It was so horrible a nightmare that I couldn't even remember what it was. Out of abject fear, I went to the appointment. Immediately, he insisted on my taking psychiatric drugs. My experience with psych. drugs is that they are the most depleting, bleak thing imaginable. It is like somebody has carved out your insides and there is the most uncomfortable feeling. It is unimaginable. People who have not taken psych. drugs can’t even imagine the torture of it. It basically just vacuums out your soul and everything. You can’t feel anything. You can’t feel your emotions, you can’t feel anything around you, and you can’t sit still. And everything is meaningless. It is an unimaginable discomfort, helplessness, and is anything except tranquilizing.

In the two years after this, I slowly assimilated what had happened to me. I tried to for a long time to get a job so I could get out of Seattle and I kept getting the door slammed in my face, again, again, again. There was a little mini-mart owned by an Asian guy up near my father’s house. I went in as there was a help wanted sign and the guy smiled at me and hands me an application. I go home and fill it out, and immediately walk right back up there. So the guy just looks at me and laughs. He just wads the thing up and throws it in the garbage, right in front of me. There wasn’t anything funny or unusual on my application. It was filled out completely, straightforward, and to the point. I thought, wow, I wasn’t even prepared for that.

I kept thinking this while cooking Asian food later that night. In frustration I broke the handle off a flimsy dinner knife and tossed it across my body, it then bounced off a kitchen counter and into the dining room and it shattered one layer of a two layer safety glass - it did not hit the window hard, it hit it just right in the corner to shatter the one pain of the glass door. The whole thing was safety glass so basically it looked terrible. Anyway, my father got home and said 'You can’t live here anymore unless you get into treatment. “This is the last straw.” He did not even know what the system had done to me because I never told anyone. With no money in winter I decided to try to cooperate.

So to 'get into treatment' I went up to a community mental health clinic and talked to a mental health professional. He said that I could not 'get into treatment' without an evaluation. He said that I needed to go to Harborview Hospital's emergency room to get evaluated so I could go back to the community mental health center the next day.

So not wishing to get kicked out of my fathers house [I was unemployed, broke, and it was winter] I went to Harborview Hospital to get "evaluated." Little did I know that my father had phoned ahead and my mother had gone into fill out a statement about something I had said. She had taken a conversation we had out of context. I had been talking about the world, and people who are depressed [which I -wasn't- at the time] and otherwise how bad it can get. I said '...when life gets so bad that you can’t even take pleasure in a glass of water – that was the example I used - and then said, 'it’s probably time to get a gun' She had taken that conversation and told the mental health professional that I had talked about getting a gun, which was part of the criteria they needed to say I was dangerous to myself or others. She filled out an affidavit and my father had filled out an affidavit about how I had broken his plate glass window. That, combined with a disdainful mental health professional named Tom Anderson assuming from this that I was dangerous, was enough to commit me.

When I got there, they said well 'we have a small problem. 'Unless you’re strapped to a gurney - like it is an emergency situation - our insurance will not allow us to treat you.' So they strapped me to the gurney and I said okay, what now? They said I was going to Western State Hospital in Tacoma on the hold because Harborview had no room, 'You’ve been put on a 72 hour hold,' which actually ended up being five days because of the weekend. They just basically locked me up and forced me to take huge doses of Haldol for 5 days. I was pretty angry to be tricked like this at first and then was despondent when the Haldol took effect, it was so unjust to be lied to and about, just so that they could do this.

So I came back to the courtroom in one of Harborview'in Seattle for my commitment hearing and I was helpless, homeless, and alone. It was the middle of winter, I had no place to go. I guess that I didn’t need to recover because I wasn’t mentally ill beyond dealing with an irrational and oppressive system and society that could not account for or leave alone my experiences. I don’t know how else to characterize it. I wasn’t any different than I am now. I wasn’t a different person, no less rational, no more rational. I spent years out of the system, until I moved to Eugene - and got on SSI because I couldn't finish college and could not find work and my counselor at the university told me that since I had a diagnosis I might as well try to get on disability. My memory for detailed texts was not good enough to memorize all of the textual stuff that I needed to know to get good grades. When I went in for my SSI interview for it I just told them what actually occurred, which was enough to get it approved. So now I am technically on disability, so technically I guess that I never recovered. I don’t consider myself to be a survivor because I don't think that my sense of humanness actually survived the experience of the homosexual trauma, or survived the mind rending experience of what happened on the streets of L.A. What happened also, basically, ruined my ability to experience aesthetic things and musical things that were going on in my existence just before this happened, and that I will never get back, nor the friends that I had before I became a freak of nature and pharmacology.

So where do I go from here? Taco Bell, Dairy Queen, Taco Time? Anyway, that’s most of it. I should say since this is being recorded and archived and stuff that I’d appreciate it if once you transcribed it if you’d get rid of the tape…

Interviewer's Comments: Along with being quite a golfer, Drake has quite a story - and he shared it with me in an engaging and thoughtful way. He is a colorful leader of the consumer/survivor movement.

Year told: 2001

I suspect that there may be more to Cobain's disappearance from this place.

hunkahunka

08-04-2009, 05:51 AM

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John Glenn, two-time US senator and the first American in space was a Mason. The number of astronauts known to be Masons is astonishing: Buzz Aldrin Jr. (Apollo 11), Gordon Cooper Jr., (Mercury 9, Gemini 5), Donn Eisele (Apollo 7), John Glenn Jr., (Mercury 6), Virgil Grissom (Apollo 1&15, Mercury 5, Gemini 3), James Irwin (Apollo 15), Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14), Walter Schirra Jr. (Apollo 7, Sigma 7, Gemini 6, Mercury 8), Thomas Stafford (Apollo 10&18, Gemini 7&9), and Paul Weitz (Skylab 2, Challenger). This list is by no means comprehensive and there are likely scores upon scores of Masons within the ranks of NASA. Werner Von Braun, the first director of NASA was one of many top Nazi rocket-scientists the CIA brought to America during Operation Paperclip. So to begin with, NASA is full of Masons and Nazis - not the most historically honest folks.

There is an area of very high radiation called the Van Allen Belt 272 miles from Earth which the Russians could never pass. In fact in 1959 Bill Kaysing reported on a Russian study which discovered that the amount of radiation on the moon would require astronauts to be clothed in 4 feet of lead in order to avoid instant death. John Mauldin, a NASA physicist, said they would need at least two meters of thick shielding. How did the NASA astronauts account for the Van Allen Belt and Moon’s radiation? How were they able to walk on the Moon in such flimsy suits? On top of this, every 11 years the Van Allen Belt varies through cycles of radiation and 1969-70 during the Apollo missions was at peak intensity. NASA has never provided an adequate explanation for this.

Two years before Apollo 11, NASA director Werner Von Braun and a small team took a mysterious trip to Antarctica. They claimed to be scoping out remote locations for top-secret training facilities, but skeptics say they went to collect “Moon” rocks. Bill Kaysing (author of “We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle”) hired his private investigator friend Paul Jacobs to check with the head of the US Department of Geology in Washington and ask, “did you examine the Moon rocks, and did they come from the Moon?” The geologist simply laughed and insinuated that people high in the US government knew all about the cover-up.

Why didn’t NASA make a signal from the Moon that could be seen by everybody on Earth without aid of their TV set? The Apollo astronauts could have done this with magnesium flares or similar technology and it would have been a spectacular display for all to see - proof of their accomplishment. It is interesting that we would travel all the way to the Moon and not take any color video either. They had enough money and technology to put men on the Moon, but they couldn’t spring for some color video? The only black and white video available from NASA is the poor quality recording-of-a-recording that we all saw on TV. NASA claims to have conveniently lost all the original Apollo 11 high-quality video and data telemetry tapes so experts cannot examine their authenticity. Blueprints and designs of certain machines are missing as well such as the Apollo Lunar Module and rover.

Award-winning British photographer David Persey is convinced the Moon pictures are fake. In his book he shows anomalies in light/shadows which can only be accounted for with multiple light sources. The only source of light on the Moon should be the Sun but pictures show some shadows are longer than others, shadows cast in different directions in the same picture, and certain undeniably spot-lit areas. For instance he points out that the American flag and the words “United States” on the craft are always brightly lit even when all else is in shadow. There are a couple pictures where extension cords are clearly seen stretching across “the Moon’s” surface as well. When the Apollo astronauts are pitching the American flag it is whipping around quite violently. NASA says that there is no wind on the atmosphere-free Moon, and has never provided an adequate explanation for this. Also if you speed up the video of Neil Armstrong running/bouncing on the moon by exactly 2X, he is clearly in Earth gravity just taking long strides. NASA simply slowed down all the video to half-speed in post-production.

The second man on the Moon, 33rd degree Mason Buzz Aldrin was asked at a banquet what it felt like to step onto the lunar surface. He got up without saying a word and left the room crying uncontrollably. Another time (you can watch on YouTube) he was approached and called out by someone on the Moon hoax and reacted by punching him in the face. He acts less like someone who has walked on the Moon and more like someone trying to live a big lie. He also must fear for his life because he has taken a Masonic blood-oath not to expose the hoax. Before the first manned Apollo mission, 11 would-be Apollo astronauts died from supposed accidents in the line of duty. Three of them “accidentally” had their test capsule pumped full of high pressure oxygen until it exploded. Seven more died in plane crashes and one in a car crash. 11 astronauts coincidentally dying under such circumstances is highly unlikely and points towards the Masons trying to find the right people to sell their hoax.

There are a number of photos supposedly taken on the Moon that clearly show the letter “C” engraved in a “Moon rock.” In one picture another “C” is seen drawn into the ground right next to the rock. and one on the ground next to it. CC is numerologically 33 and is Masonic code, a wink-wink elbow-nudge to fellow Masons. In the Masonic Scary Movie 3, a reporter named Cindi Campbell is reporting on Crop Circles (CC, another Masonic ploy to make you believe in Aliens). Just after this Eminem the rapper (MM = 33 on its side) talks with Cindi Campbell about Crop Circles. The double letter symbology is abundant in Masonry and well-known to initiates.

All NASA mission patches are full of occult/Masonic symbolism and perhaps none more so than the Apollo missions. The names of the missions and crafts are almost always names of ancient gods or astrological signs; they always use Roman numerals, and complex Sacred Geometry, the secrets of which are held by the Masons. Why was it “the Eagle” that landed on the Moon? Eagles have long been used to symbolize the crown chakra. Many mission patches feature the caduceus, serpents, eagles, and other spiritual symbology. The STS-58 patch shows a snake coiling up a pole with a V under it on one side and a caduceus on the other.

The Egyptian Osiris is depicted as being green and so is his wife Isis, like the green Statue of Liberty and her green $ dollars. Jim Carrey, JC, like Jesus Christ, is the Sun/Son of God. In “The Grinch” Jim Carrey plays a green character who steals Christmas. In the movie poster he is walking in front of the Moon, obscuring it, and carrying a sack of stolen goodies. Carrey also played green characters in Batman Forever (the Riddler), and the Mask. He plays Andy Kaufman, a hoax, in the movie called “Man on the Moon” (MM) which features the REM song of the same name (“if you believe they put a Man on the Moon, if you believe there’s nothing up his sleeve”). In Bruce Almighty, after Carrey gains god-like powers, he lassos the moon and brings it closer. In Dumb and Dumber Carrey passes a newspaper headline that says “Man walks on the Moon” and he acts delighted to hear it as though he didn’t know and had never heard the news. Last but not least, in “The Truman Show,” Ed Harris (the villain in “The Rock”) plays the producer of Jim Carrey’s life. The central command station where Harris operates his deception of Truman is a fake moon! At one point in the movie, Carrey is even drawn with an astronaut’s helmet on. These are all Masonic messages being delivered by those who know, and received only by those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Another recent one in the movie "The Hoax," during a critical scene in the movie Richard Gere is shown standing affront a picture of Neil Armstrong on the "Moon." This is not coincidence.

A year after the faked Moon landing a Knights Newspaper poll found that more than 30% of US citizens were “suspicious of NASA’s trips to the Moon.” According to a 1999 Gallup poll only 6% of the US population had any doubts that Apollo astronauts walked on the Moon. It seems that up until now their propaganda campaign has proved quite successful.

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.” -Adolf Hitler

Hitler said, “great liars are also great magicians,” and “the great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.” Hitler actually described “The Big Lie” in his book “Mein Kampf” as a propaganda technique. He said the lie must be “so colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.” 16 years later, Hitler’s propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels wrote in a Jan. 12th, 1941 article called “Churchill’s Lie Factory,” that, “The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.” He is also quoted saying, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, the people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

The president of the International Flat Earth Research Society thinks the moon landings were faked in Hollywood studios with help from Masons Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke. He claims that NASA’s reason for existence is to promote the myth of a round Earth and a non-Earth centered cosmogony/cosmology.

Werner von Braun never admitted the Moon landing hoax, but just before he died in an interview with Carol Rosin, he said that in order to sustain the military-industrial complex, first they had created the “Cold War” threat. Once that veil was lifted, a false “terrorist” threat would be created and propagated to the public. Once that was seen through they would create a false asteroid threat to be dealt with in an “Armageddon” military-industrial manner. Then their last card is to stage a fake alien invasion using their classified anti-gravity “UFO” technology.

“Think about it. If you wanted an excuse to globally centralize all government, finance, military, police and other institutions, you would need a threat to the planet as a whole. What better way than to kid the people they are being invaded from space? You would have a global problem, a global demand that ‘Something must be done’ and an opportunity to offer a global solution: a world government and army to meet this ‘threat’. That is the plan we are now being prepared for.” -David Icke, “The Biggest Secret” (483)

For more information, go to: www.moonmovie.com

video:
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hunkahunka

08-04-2009, 03:28 PM

Roseanne Barr the lottery loser of all time

As poor white trash she was America's sweetheart, as rich white trash she ain't.

Daniel Jeffreys

Monday, 17 February 1997

Roseanne Barr has lost her way, and maybe her marbles. At least that's how it seems in this woeful ninth year of Roseanne, a show that was once the best on American television.

The producer and star of Roseanne has already declared that this will be her last series. So far, the offerings in year nine are so bad that ABC Television may pull Roseanne in mid-season, an almost unthinkable coup de grace for a show that once occupied the top three of American television through four straight years.

The writers of Roseanne, by bowing to the whims of its titular star, have all but ruined the show, allowing Roseanne to win more than $100m dollars in the lottery. Imagine, the blue-collar Connors with more money than Rockefeller. This absurd dramatic device turned Roseanne inside out and removed its heart as well.

Instead of being a clever comedy about trying to be married, with children, on a limited budget, Roseanne has served up duff episodes where the show's star has dressed as Xena the warrior princess, and a centrefold. Roseanne's woes are seen in the American press as a betrayal of those who stayed loyal to the show, no matter what its outrageous star did in her excessive overreactions to stardom.

It seems Roseanne Barr, now worth almost a billion dollars, has tired of realism and has turned self-indulgent instead. She is spending this season playing at dressing-up, glamorising her character, upping Roseanne Connor's income and profile, pushing her closer to centre stage. In short, she is forcing the TV character of Roseanne to metamorphose into a close approximation of the real Roseanne. With character Roseanne looking set to divorce Dan Connor, we can all look forward to an episode where Mrs Connor marries her new chauffeur in a champagne ceremony at the New York Plaza, only to reveal later that her second husband is a cross-dressing lesbian.

What's wrong with that is not the sexual politics, but the spectacle of a Hollywood star turned monomaniac, abusing a much-loved national treasure, her show, just because she can. It's Roseanne as the kid who builds big sandcastles so that she can knock them down.

Admittedly, life can get pretty strange when your job occasionally involves a $70,000 shopping spree with Mike Tyson, especially if 18 years ago you were a trailer park mom with a bell-hop for a husband. It gets even more weird if, as Roseanne Barr believes, your mind contains at least 22 personalities, the consequence of sexual abuse by a father who behaved like a demon and forced you to leave home prematurely for pregnant life in a battered mobile home.

The puzzle is, why have these pyschic forces imploded now? For most of her nine seasons as queen of US television, Roseanne has somehow managed to surmount her chaotic personal life. Roseanne the sitcom remained funny and inventive while the real-life Roseanne kept careening all over the place through her seemingly whacked out claims of child abuse, a lost- and-found daughter and the allegedly homicidal tendencies of Tom Arnold. Against all these odds, she retained a finely tuned comic sensibility that kept her show from self-destruction. No more. Roseanne's evil genie is out of the bottle.

It's too bad. Roseanne rocked the TV landscape in a way that's still sending out aftershocks. "It's hard to remember how raw, how rude - how real - Roseanne seemed in the glitzy 1980s," says Preston Beckman, a senior executive at NBC television. "Since then, for better or worse, television has come around to Roseanne's view of the world."

"All the other serious sitcom actresses thank Roseanne for opening the door for them," says Dorothy Swanson, a New York theatrical agent. "Roseanne has taken a lot of hits, but she changed things for women in television."

Roseanne knows that she has been a revolutionary, thrusting her attitude right in tinseltown's frequently smug face.

"Hollywood is the pipe from hell," she said in November 1995. "The noxious gases come up and affect everyone. They're always trying to put me back in my place. The reason everyone is so scared of me is because I'm so normal. They're appalled at women who look like me, act like me, come from the class I come did, the fact that I'm Jewish. The people out here, they live to pose. I have the screaming kids. I'm always yelling at them. I'm a real mom. I'm not Hollywood."

Since Roseanne made those remarks her looks have changed, plastic surgery shaping her face and stomach into something closer to the Hollywood norm. Doing all that, it is hard to stay focused on a show that worked because it voiced the fears and frustrations of working-class Everywomen - and did so smartly, in the subversive context of situation comedy. Roseanne was a hit because it tapped into the audience's desire to see something other than the typical idealised, upper middle-class television family. The show had parents who screamed and struggled with weight problems.

No one was better suited to this role than Roseanne Barr. She was born one of four kids into a poor Jewish family living among the Mormons in Salt Lake City. In 1968 her life was changed for ever when she was struck by a car and nearly died from internal bleeding. Thereafter Rosey, as her parents called her, seemed to spin out of control, experimenting with a hippie lifestyle and bearing an illegitimate daughter, called Brandi, whom she gave up for adoption. Roseanne also spent several months in a psychiatric hospital. Then came Bill Pentland, a hotel clerk. It was the early 1970s, and the couple lived in a Denver trailer park.

Her sister Geraldine was the force that drove Rosey up on stage. The two women became habituees of the feminist Woman to Woman bookshop and local comedy clubs where Roseanne's profane "domestic goddess" persona was shaped. They formed a 10-year plan that would carry Rosey's battered self to the Johnny Carson show, an HBO Special and Roseanne.

It worked, although not for Geraldine Barr. In 1992 she filed an unsuccessful $70m breach of contract lawsuit against her big sister. The two have not spoken for years, and now Geraldine follows Rosey's turbulent life through the media.

"I'm watching this woman I knew and love," she says. "And all of a sudden she gets her breasts cut off. Then she gets her nose cut off. This is really scary for me to see."

Although not more frightening than Roseanne's sudden accusations of parental sex abuse, published out of the blue three years ago, which portrayed Mr Barr as a man obsessed with menacing his daughter while holding handfuls of his own excrement.

Whilst Geraldine was leaving Roseanne's life, Tom Arnold, her second husband, was filling the void. The two met when both had problems with substance abuse, and the marriage ended when Roseanne ran off with her driver/bodyguard while claiming that she thought Arnold was about to kill her.

Hollywood's failure to ostracise Arnold - in fact the reverse happened - has Roseanne especially steamed up. "This town can't hand Tom enough rewards, and they all know what he did," she said last year. "I have 17 pictures of my body all bruised."

It seemed that with her third husband, the ex-driver/bodyguard Ben Thomas, Roseanne had found emotional peace. They had a long-fought-for child late last year (after miscarrying two embryos), a minor miracle considering that the star's tubes had been tied six years ago. The baby is fine, but there are rumours, strong ones, that she and Thomas are finished.

Roseanne says that she has a condition called dissociative identity disorder which she describes as having a personality that's been "hit with a hammer and smashed, so all the emotions have been separated". The star, in therapy now for five years, says her personalities are so distinct that they have different signatures.

So here we have the most probable explanation of what has happened to Roseanne. The show was one of television's icons. There's a Roseanne who only wanted to be just that, the symbol of prime time TV. There's another Roseanne who hates all of that and says so.

"Hollywood is the Night of the Living Death," she remarked last month. "Everyone's afraid here. They're afraid they can't keep what they've got. Everything's built on stilts, including the stilted egos. They're just a bunch of freaks. Even the parties are about work. Nobody has any fun here."

The result of the conflict between these two Roseannes? A decision to deconstruct one of the most successful sitcoms in history, to use the Connors' lottery win as a means to mock the show's own foundation and aspirations, to make it a parody of everything that Roseanne fears but also covets.

Roseanne Barr once said that the show has been her most effective form of therapy. On the evidence of this last and final season, it has entered the Gestalt phase. One can only imagine, as Roseanne's real life apparently lurches to another crisis, what the final episode will be like. Watching it may rank up there with stopping to gawk at fatal road accidents.

hunkahunka

09-04-2009, 11:55 AM

I hate to give this woman any more publicity or notoriety, I
wish she would retire (she's getting too old for her 8 year old fan base anyway)
but......

interesting video on the Britney Song 'If You Seek Amy'

the line 'If you seek Amy' has a phonetic sound like the letters
F, then U, then C ...........then K, then me

F U Seek Amy

F U Seek A me

F U C KAY me

F U C * ME

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IKmDroLh18

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Britney-+If+you+seek+amy.jpg

hunkahunka

10-04-2009, 05:32 PM

re: Eyes Wide Shut / Kubrick, would like to offer you the following additional details.The film was shot at least in part on location in Buckinghamshire; here is one example:
When the Cruise character leaves NY to visit the orgy, the taxi stops outside the gates of a country house which I was unable to recognize.
Then the Cruise character is driven thru' the grounds to a country mansion which is located in Buckinghamshire.
Moreover, this particular country mansion was built by the so-called baron Mayer Amschel de Rothschild & subsequently through marriage became the country 'seat' of former British PM Lord Rosebery**.

Here's a link to the locations Kubrick used for Eyes Wide Shut:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tom.ingham/WebSite/EWSPAGE.htm
A great number of interior and exterior sets were used on Eyes Wide Shut but many locations were also employed
The exterior of the mansion that hosts the ritual is of Mentmore Towers, in Buckinghamshire:

http://filesdown.esecure.co.uk/Lectros/mentmore_towers.jpg_15122008-1641-20.jpg
Mentmore Towers was built in 1855 for Baron Meyer Amschel de Rothschild.

The interior is made up of Elveden Hall and Highclere Castle in Wiltshire
http://www.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/content/images/2007/05/21/general_4_398x250.jpg
Highclere Castle
http://www.achome.co.uk/places/places/highclere.jpg
Highclere Castle interior

also in Buckinghamshire:

- the British Prime Minister's official summer residence, Chequers

- the Hellfire Club caves

and this:
http://ellisctaylor.homestead.com/files/mk2.jpg

http://www.mkweb.co.uk/Art/images/DangerousLiasons2%2Ejpg
Dangerous Liaisons: Philip Jackson, 1995 Bronze
location: in front of TFI Fridays, in Milton Keynes Theatre District, Buckinghamshire Owned by Deutsche Asset Management

Dangerous Liaisons is one of a series of sculptures by Philip Jackson based on the mask and inspired by the Maschera Nobile of 17th and 18th century Venice. This elegant costume hid the identity and gender of its wearer, allowing him or her to go about the city unrecognised, and enabling intrigues, vendettas and love affairs to take place without fear of discovery.

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Maschera Nobile

According to 'Who Owns Britain', Buckinghamshire's top landowners in 2001 were the Rothschild Family, Lord Carrington and Earl Howe, former Tory cabinet minister. In 1872 the top two were the Rothschild's and Lord Carrington.

Offline Illumination
Eyes Wide Shut: Occult Entertainment
by Uri Dowbenko

After crashing an Illuminati satanic ritual and sex orgy, Dr. Harford (Tom Cruise) is told by his millionaire friend Victor Ziegler (Sydney Pollack), "You've been way out of your depth for the last twenty-four hours."

"I know what happened last night," he continues. "I don't think you realize what kind of trouble you're in... If I told you their names, I don't think you'd sleep so well." The implication? The Power Elite are actively performing these rituals on a regular basis. Having wheedled the password to the party from his piano-player friend Nick Nightingale (Todd Field), Harford, dressed in tuxedo, mask, hood and cloak, enters a Gothic-style mansion.

In the central room, he encounters a large gathering -- a circle of twelve black cloaked hooded figures who disrobing reveal themselves to be naked women wearing nothing but masks, high heels, and G-strings. A red-cloaked and hooded man with a mask stands in the middle of the circle. He stamps the ground with a large staff, while holding a censer which spills out clouds of smoky incense. Surrounding the scene are spectators also clothed in black robes and golden masks. Harford's friend plays the organ blindfolded, while an otherworldly chanting emanates in the background.

A woman approaches Harford and says, "I'm not sure you know what you're doing, but you don't belong here." Even in a mask, he has no disguise.

"You are in great danger and you must get away while you can," she continues.

Finally, the trespassing doctor is called before the inquisition-like council. He is unmasked, revealed and then condemned. The naked masked woman who tries to warn him tells the council, "Take me. I can redeem him."

"Are you sure you understand what you're taking upon yourself?" the man in the red robe asks her. She nods, and the doctor is told, "You are free."

The next day Harford discovers that Nightingale, accompanied by two thugs, has mysteriously disappeared from his hotel. The woman has died, her drug overdose reported in the newspaper. And the doctor realizes that he himself has narrowly escaped death -- being sacrificed at the Illuminati ritual.

Moral of the story? Even though Tom Cruise as a doctor considers himself one of the elite, there are much more powerful forces behind the scenes who are really running the show.

Eyes Wide Shut, set in the world of upper class Manhattan society, opens with Dr. Harford and his wife Alice (Nicole Kidman) attending a party in their millionaire friend's luxurious home. They are each tempted by the seductions of wealth, power, and lust.

At home, after the party, Bill and Alice get stoned. Alice tells her husband about her sexual fantasy. Bill can't stand the thought of her with another man, and thinking he'll get even, he leaves, caught in a jealous web of confusion.

If you've been puzzled by the title Eyes Wide Shut, you're not alone. According to ritual abuse and mind control survivor Arizona Wilder, it's a satanic cult term which means that whatever you've seen here is not to be revealed to anyone... or else.

"Monarch [mind control] programmers use this term," says Wilder in a recent interview. "It was so cult [like]," she continues. "Put him [the Tom Cruise character] in a double bind."

The movie was also reminiscent of her ritual experiences."In one of my journals from 1990, I talk about a ritual where they all have golden masks and hooded robes," she says. "It has to do with the sun god. Thye use these masks in Egyptian-type ceremony rituals. The masks mean "we are not individuals, but we have one purpose in mind."One thing they did is they never unmask."

Wilder also finds a deep significance in the sign for Rennes Street and the name of the pianist whose name Nightingale means messenger from the dark. "The name of the costume shop was representative of getting to the ritual by going 'Over the Rainbow,'" she says.

"The movie was making a statement. We [the Illuminati] are here. What are you going to do about it?" she concludes.

Wilder thinks the end of the film is also significant. "They'll leave us alone [the Nicole Kidman character says]. We'll keep our mouths shut, and that's why evil goes on... This happened with these people and he [Tom Cruise] couldn't prove it."

The occult meaning of the film? It's another signal to the world that everything -- including the governance of Planet Earth -- is under Illuminati control. The Illuminati, also called "Olympians" and "Moriah Conquering Wind," are a "network" of interconnected "bloodlines" who call themselves "The Family" or "The Circle." Intergenerational satanism, or more accurately Luciferianism, is their primary belief structure. They consider themselves a tribe set apart, a proud super race who trace their genealogical origin back to Nimrod. By the way, they also believe that they are the designated rulers of Planet Earth.

It may also be significant that the film's director Stanley Kubrick died suddenly. Mozart, a mason, died soon after revealing masonic mysteries in his opera, The Magic Flute. Author Stephen Knight, whose book, Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution (1975) revealed Victorian London's Whitechapel Murders as the work of ritual masonic killers, also died mysteriously. And William Morgan, author of Freemasonry Exposed (1836) was kidnapped and allegedly murdered by masons.

Filmmaker Stanley Kubrick was well known for his mystifying movies, his notorious control-freak mentality, and his consistently mechanistic world-view. With his trademark horror-show porno touch, Kubrick's obsession with Illuminati iconography has served his masters well. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) was about evolution and the diddling of mankind from behind-the-scenes. A Clockwork Orange (1971) was the prototype of trauma-based mind control for programming violence. Barry Lyndon (1975) explored the occult politics of the ruling classes in 18th century British society. Lolita (1962) singlehandedly promoted Pedophilia Chic. Full Metal Jacket (1987) was an iconic depiction of the Military S&M Cult, showing the brutality of the Vietnam War preceded by US Marine Brainwashing, i.e. basic training.

Eyes Wide Shut was Kubrick's last film. In the end, after an oddly unemotional, almost lifeless performance, Tom Cruise tells his wife, "No dream is just a dream." He still wonders if stumbling into the masquerade ball-sex orgy-ritual of the Illuminati was "real" or some hypnotic dream state. His wife reassures him "We're awake now," but it's another double bind since she's completely in denial.

Eyes Wide Shut will be remembered as the film that dares to ask: Planet Earth. Who's The Boss?

In Eyes Wide Shut, the woman who was killed was a former beauty queen who was 30 years old, which evokes the masked, circular 'carousel' death ritual in Logan's Run where people are killed at thirty to save the planet from overpopulation.
(the carousel ride is also the trigger point for the main character in the book 'Catcher in the Rye', who wants his little sister to never have to leave the carousel, and to remain a child forever)

The sacrificed woman in Eyes Wide Shut (Many Curran) is found dead in the Hotel Florence, which may be a reference to Florence, Italy, where Sir Francis Dashwood of the Hellfire Club established the first masonic lodge in Italy. (btw, she is found dead of an overdose, and in the film, Cruise reads of her death in a newspaper article where it is mentioned that she was seen returning at 4 am night before from a party , intoxicated and accompanied by two men. 'the staff said the two men seemed to be holding a giggling Curran as they brought her into the posh hotel." Note the wording:
-seemed to be holding a giggling Curran -
she had been at a masked ball, was returning from a masked ball, so it could be surmised that the woman was still masked, that this woman seemed to be a giggling Curran , and therefore that the masked, giggling woman may not have been Curran at all, rather someone dressed as Curran. (Curran's body was found in the room, but maybe they found a way to get her dead body from the mansion into the room unseen) http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/images/2007/i/illuminatiBash1.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3258/2812704607_d526e1a9d3.jpg
Elveden Hall , in which parts of Eyes Wide Shut were filmed
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tom.ingham/WebSite/EWSimages/ElvedenIntsmall.jpg
interior of Elveden Hall (interesting name Elveden, satan & his elves?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZxgtUANXpU&feature=related

greydove

10-04-2009, 05:56 PM

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James Taylor was born in Boston, Massachusetts on March 12, 1948, where his father, Isaac M. Taylor, was a resident at Massachusetts General Hospital....Isaac's career prospered, but he was frequently away from home, either on military service at Bethesda Naval Hospital in Maryland or as part of Operation Deep Freeze in Antarctica during 1955–1956.[8] Isaac Taylor later rose to become Dean of the UNC School of Medicine from 1964 to 1971....

In late 1965 James Taylor committed himself to the renowned McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts,[16] where he was treated with Thorazine and where the organized days began to give him a sense of time and structure.[17][18] As the Vietnam War built up, Taylor received a psychological rejection from Selective Service System when he appeared before them with two white-suited McLean assistants and was uncommunicative.[19] Taylor earned a high school diploma in 1966 from the hospital's associated Arlington School.[19] He would later view his nine-month stay at McLean as "a lifesaver ... like a pardon or like a reprieve,"[18] and both his brother Livingston and sister Kate would later be patients there as well.[17]

Carolina In My Mind:

In my mind I'm goin' to Carolina
Can't you see the sunshine
Can't you just feel the moonshine
Ain't it just like a friend of mine
To hit me from behind
Yes I'm goin' to Carolina in my mind

Karen she's a silver sun
You best walk her way and watch it shinin'
Watch her watch the mornin' come
A silver tear appearing now I'm cryin'
Ain't I goin' to Carolina in my mind

There ain't no doubt in no one's mind
That love's the finest thing around
Whisper something soft and kind
And hey babe the sky's on fire, I'm dyin'
Ain't I goin' to Carolina in my mind

In my mind I'm goin' to Carolina
Can't you see the sunshine
Can't you just feel the moonshine
Ain't it just like a friend of mine
To hit me from behind
Yes I'm goin' to Carolina in my mind

Dark and silent late last night
I think I might have heard the highway calling
Geese in flight and dogs that bite
Signs that might be omens say I'm going, going
I'm goin' to Carolina in my mind

With a holy host of others standing 'round me
Still I'm on the dark side of the moon
And it seems like it goes on like this forever
You must forgive me
If I'm up and goin' to Carolina in my mind

In my mind I'm goin' to Carolina
Can't you see the sunshine
Can't you just feel the moonshine
Ain't it just like a friend of mine
To hit me from behind
Yes I'm goin' to Carolina in my mind

Goin' to Carolina in my mind
And I'm goin' to Carolina in my mind
Goin' to Carolina in my mind

(Goin')
(I'm goin')
(Say nice things about me 'cause I'm goin'

hunkahunka

10-04-2009, 06:24 PM

quote:

In 1666, Jewish Messianic contender, Shabbatai Tzvi,was imprisoned by the Turkish sultan and given a choice. Convert to Islam or die. After three days, Shabbetai Tzvi decided to convert to Islam. After his apostasy, most of his supporters labeled him an imposter and rejected him. His conversion, however, had a positive impact on many Jews around the world who went into hiding after the Spanish expulsion of 1492. Marranos, Conversos, Crypto-Jews, et. al., maintained their devotion to Shabbetai Tzvi. Tzvi's decision to convert actually strengthened their allegiance to him. Together with the remnant of Tzvi's Jewish adherents, these messianic followers would form an underground network and secretly continue to advance Shabbatai Tzvi’s mission. Through infiltration, stealth and cunning this invisible network has come to rule us all. Forty-one years after Shabbatai Tzvi's death,in 1717, they would infiltrate Masonry guilds in England and establish Freemasonry . Based upon the Noachide laws of the Talmud, Freemasonry allowed the Sabbatean sympathizers to live an elite yet mystical and meaningful life working towards the establishment of a one-world government based upon the Universal Yahwehism preached by Shabbetai Tzvi and his followers particularly Jacob Frank. Frank would have a great impact on the inner core of Freemasonry formed in 1776, known as the Illuminati. Freemasonry would become the hidden force behind events like the French and American revolutions, the creations of the U.N. & Israel, both World Wars (including the Holocaust!), and the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers who, together with their father,tried to thwart the efforts of the network on American soil.

Sabbatean/Frankists, also referred to as the Cult of the All-Seeing Eye (look on the back of your one dollar bill to begin to understand their influence in YOUR life), are political and religious chameleons. They are everywhere. Everywhere where there is power.They are the good guys AND the bad guys.

The World War Two era is a prime example. The following leaders were members or linked to members of the Cult of the All-Seeing Eye (Sabbatean/Frankists):

Franklin Delano Roosevelt-Delano linked to Rothschilds

Winston Churchill- Father close to Rothschilds,(Churchill family as well as royals descend from crypto-Jewish families originating from Spain.)

Josef Stalin-suspected illegitimate child of a Rothschild.

Adolph Hitler-suspected illegitimate grandchild of a Rothschild.

Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII).Suspected crypto-Jewish Sabbatean originating from Spain.

Fransisco Franco.Suspected crypto-Jewish Sabbatean originating from within Spain.

Benito Mussilini

The handlers of Hirohito were masonic Freemasonic bankers.

Chou En-Lai, handler of Mao Tse-Tung.Suspected illegitimate son of masonic European banking family.

Not mentioned are the untold scores of bankers,lawyers and politicians behind these men dictating their every move. Conspiracy? Oh yes. Conspiracy. One which will go on for the next thousand years. It's unstoppable. At best you can understand what is going on. If you ever want a reminder, just pull out a dollar bill.

hunkahunka

10-04-2009, 10:19 PM

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interesting insight there, greydove. A comparison of the two photos reveals so many similarities. First , the obvious , the same pose (alone with acoustic on stool/chair).
Second, the droopy hair unkempt. Third, the frumpy, tatty cardigan with tea shirt over dress shirt underneath. Fourth, the worn out blue jeans.

hunkahunka

11-04-2009, 12:21 AM

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Mentmore Towers

Film location

In the last few years Mentmore Towers has appeared in many films, including Eyes Wide Shut, Ali G Indahouse, Johnny English, Terry Gilliam's Brazil and The Mummy Returns. In Batman Begins, Mentmore Towers was used as the gothic Wayne Manor. The Spice Girls filmed the video "Goodbye" at the castle. It served as the filming location of the music video to Enya's "Only If..." It also featured prominently in the 1989 film "Slipstream." It also appears in Phillip Kaufman's Marquis de Sade biopic Quills.

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Elveden Hall

Film location

Elveden Hall's unique and impressive architecture and surrounding landscapes have been used for filming on a number of occasions. These films include:

* The Living Daylights (1987)
* Gulliver's Travels (1996) TV / DVD
* The Moonstone (1997)
* Eyes Wide Shut (1999)
* Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (2001)
* Dean Spanley (2008)

hunkahunka

11-04-2009, 04:57 PM

Was Jeffrey Dahmer an experimental baby?

http://slattern23.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/rosemarys-baby-angels.jpg?w=306&h=380

Author Ira Levin wrote Rosemary's Baby, the story of a pregnant woman who is knocked out with drugs, raped while unconscious and impregnated in a satanic sex ritual, and then unwittingly
fed chemicals during the baby's development period. The film depicts Rosemary (Mia Farrow) knocked out and taken to Rome by boat, and then raped in the hold of the boat during a ritual held by a large group of satanists. Oddly, Rosemary is awake during the rape, not unconscious, and raped by a man who transforms into a demonic entity (this demonic apparition could possibly have been the effect of hallucinogenic drugs administered prior to the ritual, in combination with some sort of costume/glowing eyes trickery employed upon her )

She is quite awake during the rape, yet has no memory of the
incident after awakening in her bed in the Dakota.(the fictional 'Brampton' apartment house)

Here is raised the question of whether or not Rosemary was suffering trauma-induced DID, or experiencing 'missing time', which could account for Rosemary having no memory of something that she had experienced while awake.

Were Rome and the boat trip just a drug-induced hallucination/dream, and the rape ritual/impregnation the only part of the experience that actually physically happened to her? This would make practical sense, as in the plot line Rosemary is not apparently aware of any time gap .

She may have been raped somewhere in the Dakota, while under the forced influence of drugs designed to blot out any memory of what was done to her.

Or, Levin could be alluding to the recruitment of Rosemary as a mind control victim in the whole Rome-ritual-rape sequence of events, and how deliberately induced trauma is used to wipe out victims memories of certain events. (the mind classifies the real experience as a nightmare and wipes the tape clean)

The film ends with a shattered Rosemary, and her baby, under the complete control of the powerful satanists.

Is Rosemary due for more traumatic ritual abuse and programming?

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n0/n806.jpg

what struck me about the plot line of Rosemary's Baby was the intentional
doctoring of Rosemary's food while she was pregnant. Rosemary is constantly sick while carrying the demonic child to term because she is being regularly fed a special 'nutritional' supplement by her satanic doctor and neighbor, who are both part of the cult.

This verges into the realm of pharmacology and experimental drug testing.

http://classic-horror.com/images/rosemary-still.jpg

note the similarity of the chemical altering of Rosemary's Baby , with the real life of Jeffrey Dahmer:

Problems started for Jeffrey Dahmer before he was even born. His mother Joyce Dahmer had quite a few problems during her pregnancy with her son. She had constant morning sickness and even the smell of food cooking seemed to bother her immensely. She developed muscle spasms and started taking powerful drugs to try to lessen them. Nothing seemed to work and she would sometimes take up to 26 pills a day. After the long trial of Joyce Dahmer's pregnancy and a move to her husband Lionel Dahmer's parent's house in West Allis, Wisconsin, Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer was finally born on May 21, 1960.

There was a lot of tension living in Lionel Dahmer's parent's house so the Dahmer's moved into their own place, on the east side of Milwaukee, with their son. The family seemed relatively happy after this move. When Jeffrey Dahmer was 2, his father noticed how his son violently pushed blocks down and like to fiercely rip up leaves. This might have been the first slight sign of what was to come.

In 1962, the Dahmer's moved once again after Lionel Dahmer got a better job working as a research assistant in Ames, Iowa. He began working with chemicals and lab equipment to obtain his PhD at Iowa State University. During this time his son seemed to get sick all the time with one infection or another. He received countless injections for this problem. Despite this fact, Jeffrey Dahmer seemed like a happy child and even helped his father nurse a hurt bird back to health.

When Jeffrey was four, his father noticed an odd smell coming from under the house. He investigated and found a mass of dead animals in various stages of decay. He retrieved the bones and noticed how Jeffrey put his hand in them to crack them in pieces. He seemed to enjoy this immensely. Soon after this incident, Jeffrey's father took him to the lab where he worked. Jeffrey seemed to show no interest in the various chemicals and tubes. He seemed to like the bones he had touched much better. This should have been a sign that everything was not as it should be.

Over the next year, Jeffrey Dahmer's father grew increasingly preoccupied in finishing his PhD. He barely spent any time with his son and when he did see him he noticed how Jeffrey shied away from competitive or physical games. Instead, Jeffrey seemed to focus on games like hide and seek or games that involved stalking or concealing.

In 1964, Jeffrey grew sick and had to have a hernia operation. It took him quite awhile to recover. He seemed to grow sadder and sadder during this period. By the year 1966, Jeffrey Dahmer's appearance had changed dramatically. His hair grew dark and his eyes changed to a deeper shade. He seemed to spend a lot of time just sitting silently, almost without moving. He smiled less and less and seemed isolated and withdrawn.

Jeffrey's parents moved to Akron, Ohio in 1966 also. His father received his PhD and found a job as a research chemist. Joyce Dahmer was pregnant when they moved and had problems once again with her pregnancy. She took medicine for her nervous condition but it did not seem to help. Her son, David Dahmer, was born in December of 1966.

Just before Jeffrey Dahmer's brother was born, he entered first grade. He immediately had problems. He was terrified to go to school and did not like to be around people. His teacher notified his parents after only one month of Jeffrey being in school that he was not interested in school assignments and was shy and reclusive. She suggested that he receive some type of help but he never got it. He grew increasingly isolated and had no friends.

When he was seven, the Dahmer family moved to Barberton, Ohio. There was once again a lot of tension in the household. The baby, David, had colic and kept Joyce and Lionel up at night and Joyce grew progressively more depressed. This meant that Lionel Dahmer had to take over more responsibilities with the children and house since his wife did not seem capable. The arguments between Joyce and Lionel grew worse.

During this time, Jeffrey befriended a neighbor boy named Lee. They started playing together and even dressed up as devils for Halloween. They went to the same school and had the same assistant teacher. Jeffrey Dahmer grew fond of her even caught some tadpoles to give to her. He found out that she had given the same tadpoles to his friend Lee. In an act of revenge he found the tadpoles at Lee's house and killed them by pouring motor oil in the fishbowl. This was Dahmer's first real act of violence. His dark side was beginning to show and it would only grow throughout his teenage years (Dahmer, 1994).

Around age ten, Dahmer began collecting dead animals and conducting experiments on them. He would take off their heads, use acid on the bones and even mounted a dog's head on a stake (Fisher, 2006). As he got older, he began to drink heavily. He did not do well at schools and spent quite a bit of time alone. Dahmer eventually graduated high school and was left to his own devices in his parent's home. Jeffrey Dahmer's parents went through a bad divorce and custody battle involving Dahmer's brother, David, who was eleven at the time (“World of Criminal,” 2005-2006).

In 1978, Dahmer decided to stop with the experiments and move on to murder. The victim's name was Steven Hicks and he was a hitchhiker that Dahmer encountered and lured home. After drinks, Hicks tried to leave and Dahmer hit him on the head with a barbell. He then proceeded to strangle him and bury him (Fisher, 2006).

This first murder seemed to shock Jeffrey Dahmer. He tried to behave normally by attending college at Ohio State University. This was done at his father's insistence. He flunked out after one quarter since he did nothing but drink. His father then insisted that he join the military. Dahmer did seem to improve for a short period due to the military's discipline. After he was sent to Germany, he was discharged for being repeatedly drunk (Fisher, 2006; “St. James Encyclopedia,” 2005-2006).

Dahmer's father did not know what to do at this point. Every attempt to counsel the boy was a failure. He finally sent Jeffrey Dahmer to live with his grandmother, near Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in 1985. He tried to keep a job at Ambrosia Chocolate Factory but was fired because he missed too much work. His behavior became weirder and weirder. He managed to kill three people while staying at his grandmother's house.

In 1987, he killed Steven Tuomi, in January of 1988 he killed James Doxtator and in March of 1988 he killed Richard Guerrero. He had a mannequin in his closet that his grandmother eventually found. He tried to explain that he just stole it to prove he could do it. She also found a gun under his bed. Dahmer tried to convince her and his father that it was a shooting pistol. Dahmer's father made him sell the gun since it was obviously a real gun. Jeffrey Dahmer's grandmother noticed odd smells coming from the basement.

Jeffrey tried to explain this away by saying he was conducting experiments on dead animal using chemicals. His grandmother decided to kick him out in 1988 because of Dahmer's drunkenness and because of unpleasant orders in the basement (Fisher, 2006; “World of Criminal,” 2005-2006).

He moved into his own apartment on September 25, 1988. On that same day he was arrested for the molestation and drugging of a thirteen year old Laotian boy. He had lured the boy to his apartment with the promise of money for posing for nude pictures. The child's parents pressed charges and Dahmer was sentenced to five years of probation with a suspended sentence of eight years in prison on May 23, 1989. He did not have to go to prison but did have to participate in one year of work release. This was done in the House of Correction. He was released after serving ten months but had to meet with a probation officer twice a month. Unfortunately, the officer never visited Dahmer's home for the visits since she was busy and did not like the neighborhood. Dahmer's father tried to get his son into treatment but it never happened.

so here we have Dahmer's mother constantly ill while pregnant with Jeffrey,
her husband is a research chemist, his wife is going into muscle spasms and being administered powerful drugs (26 pills a day). [Research chemist husband must have some idea what that does to a fetus?]

Then when Jeffrey is two years old , his Dad is working with chemicals and lab equipment, Jeffrey starts getting sick all the time and receives 'countless injections' of something or other.
Then at four years old, Jeffrey needs a hernia operation, and spends a long time recovering from it.

notable too is that Dahmer's brilliant young father moved Jeffery with him
at the age of two to Iowa, to take a job as a 'research assistant', where he obtained a Phd in chemical research from Iowa State University, and would later take 4 year old Jeffrey to the lab with him and show him chemicals and tubes.

When I read of Jeffrey Dahmer's mother being surrounded by chemicals and constantly nauseaous while carrying the demonic Jeffery Dahmer baby to term,
I was reminded of Rosemary's Baby.

Iowa State University is a twenty minute drive away from Independence State Hospital, a Kirkbride:

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Independence State Hospital
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notable: Dahmer's family later moved to just north of Akron, Ohio,
and Dahmer killed his first victim in June 1978, two months prior to
attending Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio. Also in Columbus, Ohio, another Kirkbride:
the gigantic Columbus State Hospital (aka Columbus Asylum for the Insane)

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Columbus Hospital for the Insane, the largest under one roof in the world

The research conducted at the Kirkbrides and other asylums was closely linked to many universities. In Ohio alone, two major state universities are located close to Kirkbrides. (the Athens State Hospital was located directly beside Ohio University in Athens, Ohio, and after it closed actually became part of the Ohio University campus.

Jeffrey Dahmer was never far from a Kirkbride: this one in Madison,
Wisconsin, not far from where Dahmer lived
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Wisconsin State Hospital for the Insane

Back to Ira Levin and Jeffrey Dahmer. There are some similarities. Was Ira Levin
some sort of insider to all of this subterfuge?

Author Ira Levin's biography contains some interesting clues. He was educated from early childhood at an elite Ivy League prep- school
known as Horace Mann School , which educates children of the elite from nursery school age through to completion of high school , and even has its own 'nature retreat' which students regularly visit (note that parts of the School are in Manhattan, the same place the Dakota is:

The Horace Mann School is an independent college preparatory school in New York City. Founded in 1887, Horace Mann spans from nursery school to the twelfth grade and is a member of the Ivy Preparatory School League. Its Upper, Middle, and Lower Divisions are located in Riverdale, a neighborhood of the Bronx, and the Nursery School is located in Manhattan. In addition, the school has the John Dorr Nature Laboratory, a 265-acre (1.07 km2) campus in Washington Depot, Connecticut, that serves as the school's outdoor education and environmental education center; it is visited by students throughout the year.

Levin was drafted by the military in 1952, where he wrote and produced 'training films' for the U.S. military.

He also wrote at least two military-themed plays:

No Time For Sergeants (1956) and General Seeger (1962)

Ira Levin adapted Hyman's novel 'No time for Sergeants' for a play which originally appeared as an episode on The United States Steel Hour television series in March 1955, starring Andy Griffith as Will Stockdale and Myron McCormick as his nemesis Sergeant Orville King. The play then opened on Broadway at the Alvin Theatre on October 20, 1955, produced by Maurice Evans and directed by Morton DaCosta. Griffith and McCormick again starred, and Don Knotts made his Broadway debut as Corporal Manual Dexterity. Scenic designer Peter Larkin won a Tony Award in 1956, and Andy Griffith was nominated for a Tony for Best Featured Actor.
The play ran for a total of 796 performances, closing on September 14, 1957.

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No Time for Sergeants Motion picture:

No Time for Sergeants was filmed and released as a Warner Bros. motion picture in 1958.
The film was directed by Mervyn LeRoy and starred Andy Griffith, McCormick, Knotts, and most of the original Broadway cast

Ira Levin wrote the following books (many of which were made into films):

* A Kiss Before Dying (1953)
* Rosemary's Baby (1967)
* This Perfect Day (1970, winner 1992 Prometheus Hall of Fame Award)
* The Stepford Wives (1972)
* The Boys from Brazil (1976)
* Sliver (1991)
* Son of Rosemary (1997)

'A kiss Before Dying' is about a war veteran who plans to marry for money,
and then murders his pregnant fiance because her rich father is going to disown them if she marries him. (film maker Roman Polanski
coincidentally lost his pregnant wife Sharon Tate to satanic ritual murder, shortly after adapting Ira Levin's book 'Rosemary's Baby' into a screenplay and major film.)

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'The Stepford Wives' is about a sect of 'engineers and scientists' who turn their wives into servile zombies by some secret process. (mind control programming?) The original film was released in 1972, and remade in 2004 with Nicole Kidman.

'The Boys from Brazil' is about German Mkultra doctor Joseph Megele and secret breeding program

Ira Levin was referencing his own personal milieu of military and intelligence intrigue when writing most of these plays and books. Recall that he was
literally a film writer for the U.S. military.

So is it any wonder that Rosemary's Baby and so many other of his works include references to MK/ DID? Rosemary's Baby was an experiment in chemical alteration
of pregnancy.

Now look at Jeffery Dahmer again, at all the things that happened to him before
he was even born, and what he went on to become.

hunkahunka

11-04-2009, 07:30 PM

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Jeffrey Dahmer's victims

How pure a grade, how strong a stench of b.s. does it take before the American public starts asking some serious questions about what is going on here?

check out the official story of how Jeffrey Dahmer managed to end up randomly, by freak coincidence , molesting two Loation brothers, in separate
incidents, three years apart. One of the Sinthasomphone brothers (Somsack) was 13 when he was fondled by Dahmer in 1988. Dahmer was identified , charged and convicted. Three years later, it is alleged that Dahmer somehow managed to lure Somsack's younger brother , Konerak, then 14, into his apartment, where he sodomized him and murdered him.

On September 26, 1988, one day after moving into his apartment, he was arrested for drugging and sexually fondling a 13-year-old boy in Milwaukee named Somsack Sinthasomphone.. He was sentenced to five years probation and one year in a work release camp. He was required to register as a sex offender.Dahmer was paroled from the work release camp two months early, and he soon moved into a new apartment.Shortly thereafter he began a string of murders that would end with his arrest in 1991.

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Konerak Sinthasomphone

In the early morning hours of May 30, 1991, 14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone (by bizarre chance, the younger brother of the boy whom Dahmer had molested) was discovered on the street, wandering naked, heavily under the influence of drugs and bleeding from his rectum. Two young women from the neighborhood found the dazed boy and called 911. Dahmer chased his victim down and tried to take him away, but the women stopped him.[29] Dahmer told police that Sinthasomphone was his 19-year-old boyfriend, and that they had an argument while drinking. Against the protests of the two women who had called 911, police turned him over to Dahmer. They later reported smelling a strange scent while inside Dahmer's apartment but did not investigate it. The smell was the body of Anthony Hughes, Dahmer's previous victim, decomposing in the bedroom. The two policemen failed to run a background check which would have revealed that Dahmer was a convicted sex offender and child molester still under probation.[30] The officers laughed about the incident, one joking that his partner was "going to get deloused."[31] Later that night, Dahmer killed and dismembered Sinthasomphone, keeping his skull as a souvenir.

John Balcerzak and Joseph Gabrish, two of the three police officers who returned Sinthasomphone to Dahmer, were fired from the Milwaukee Police Department after their actions were widely publicized, including an audiotape of the officers making homophobic statements to their dispatcher and cracking jokes about having reunited the "lovers". The two officers appealed their termination and were reinstated with back pay. They were named officers of the year by the police union. Balcerzak would go on to be elected president of the Milwaukee Police Association in May 2005.[32][33]

Now, we are to believe that all of this was just happenstance? Two boys approximately the same age, from the same family, in a huge city like Milwaukee, fall prey to the same man within three years?

First, when the thirteen year old Somsack pressed charges against Dahmer for homosexual molestation, does it not stand to reason that the incident with Somsack and his family would alert Somsack's younger brother Konerak of the danger? What are the odds of 14 year old Konerak, whose older brother Somsack had been homosexually assaulted three years before, being lured, through random chance, by the same man? Police are called to the aid of a bleeding boy and they believe the lie that the boy is 19? So this naked, bleeding kid is sent back, by police, to be murdered by a convicted sex offender without police even running his name into the system? The police also ignore the protests of the women who called the police, ignore a rotting body odor in the small apartment, and end up being decorated and promoted as a result of all of this.

Something here is just not entirely normal, there is something to this picture that is not entirely complete.

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At a reasonable guess, there is something more going on involving all of these
victims, and especially the Sinthasomphone family. To me this smacks of a complex situation, where there may have been more people involved than Dahmer, and
something more at play than the lust of a lone deranged pervert.
Were these victims undergoing mk trauma? Was Dahmer the fall guy for performing the extermination of failed 'projects'?

Was the Sinthasomphone family targeted for mk trauma experimentation for some
genetic reason? Could the mothers of these boys have had some of the same
'supplements' during pregnancy that Dahmer's mother may have had?
Sorry , I normally try to avoid unsubstantiated and wild speculation, and stick
to correlating known facts, but this situation is so bizarre that I felt it warranted
a bit more of an effort to address it.

Finally, given the above information regarding the police:
anyone who would , after reading that , blindly swallow the official
version of the events surrounding the Dahmer case, is an idiot.

hunkahunka

12-04-2009, 12:21 PM

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Northern Wisconsin Hospital for the Insane

Dr. Walter Kempster

Acting Assistant Surgeon of the United States Army 1864-5; mental health pioneer

Dr. Kempster was noted after the war for his research into the causes of mental illness; he was one of the first to hypothezise a biological basis for mental illness. He was the first researcher in the US to study the microscopic pathology of the brain and document it with photomicrographs.

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Dr. Walter Kempster

From: 1881 History of Northern Wisconsin Illustrated
Bios transcribed by Kay R. & History by Jan Cortez

Page 1151 - Dr. Walter KEMPSTER, Superintendent of Northern Hospital for the Insane; was born in Syracuse, Onondaga Co., N.Y., May 25, 1841; attended common graded and high schools in Onondaga Co.; then spent about five years traveling with a tutor in the United States and Europe; returned to New York State about 1857, and then entered upon the study of his profession at the Long Island Medical College, from which he graduated June 30, 1864. He went into the Civil War as private, in Co. H., of the 12th New York Infantry; became Hospital Steward of the 10th New York Cavalry; was detached and placed on duty at the United States General Hospital at Patterson Park, Baltimore, Md.; made First Lieutenant of Co. D, in 10th New York Cavalry; participated in various battles of the Potomac, including that of Gettysburg; and, in 1864-65, served as Acting Assistant Surgeon of the United States Army; was in the service in all from 1861 to 1864, with the exception of six months, during which he absented himself to take his degree in medicine.

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In 1866, he was the Assistant Superintendent of the New York Asylum for Idiots, at Syracuse, N.Y., from 1867 to 1873, Assistant Physician of the New York State Insane Asylum, and, from 1873 to present time, Superintendent of the Northern Hospital for the Insane at Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

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He was married, in Baltimore, Jan. 1, 1863, to Miss Mirriem P. BAYNES, eldest daughter of Thomas BAYNES, of Baltimore. They have three children living - Sarah W., Agnes, Mary.

For a number of years, Dr. Kempster has been engaged in the study of the microscopic pathology of the brain, on which subject he has written several papers, beside taking a large number of photo-micrographs of brain tissue, normal and abnormal, a work in which he was the first in this country to engage. He delivered a lecture in the fall of 1881 before the Chicago Biological Society. His most notable case in surgery is that of the incision of three inches of the tibia, with recovery, reported in the American Journal of Medical Science. His literary contributions to medicine consist of articles in the American Journal of Insane, of which he was for five years associate editor; in the transactions of the International Medical Congress of 1876, and also in the transactions of the Wisconsin State Medical Society, and the reports of Northern Wisconsin Hospital for the Insane. He is a member of the Winnebago County Medical Society, of which he has been President; of Wisconsin State Medical Society, of which he has been Vice President; of New York State Medical Society; of American Medical Association, of which he has been Chairman of the section on Physiological Medical Jurisprudence and Chemistry; of the Association of Superintendents of American Institutions for the Insane; of the United States Association for the Advancement of Sanitary Science, and of the Wisconsin State Historical Society.

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Boy Scout Jeffrey Dahmer with dog

When Jeffrey thought his abandonment was over, his father came back on July 24, 1978, to tell him that he and Jeffrey’s mother were getting a divorce. Jeffrey took the divorce hard, as most children do. At this time Jeffery was eighteen so the court didn’t decide which parent he would live with. Lionel and Joyce were fighting over who would get custody of David. This enraged Jeffrey because once again he felt unwanted, like they didn’t care where he lived. To him he just saw it as being abandoned by his own parents. It ended up that Joyce got full custody of David and they moved to Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. Jeffrey stayed in the same house in Bath Township and his father was nowhere to be found. A while later Lionel returned with a new girlfriend to live in the same house with Jeffrey.

Shortly after, Jeffrey started college at Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio. He stayed there only long enough to finish out the first quarter of his freshman year. On December 29, 1978, Jeffrey started a three-year hitch in the U.S. Army. Not even a year later Jeffrey completed his training as a medical specialist and was assigned post in Baumholder, Germany. About two years later, on March 26, 1981, he was discharged from the army in South Carolina because he was drinking so heavily and was always depressed. After that he somehow found his way to South Florida. In 1982 Jeffrey moved back West Allis, Wisconsin, to live with his grandmother. Things began to look better for a while. He had stopped drinking so heavily and was thinking that he would like to get married and maybe start a family. That little fantasy didn’t last very long. I.

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Chapter 2 - Billy's Story

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Surviving Jeffrey Dahmer

Chapter 2 - Billy's Story

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Chapter 2.1 Life With Dahmer Print This Chapter

This section details the eighteen months when Billy was assigned a room with Dahmer who then tortured and controlled him. Billy struggled every day to find a way to survive.

When Jeffrey Dahmer was asked why he acted as he did, he replied that it was the only way he knew to feel close to someone. Dahmer wanted to have a secure and continuing relationship with his victim while at the same time being in complete control. For almost all of the victims, the only way to do that was to kill them; however, what if he had a situation previously in which he was able to completely control his victim and isolate him from everyone else? Perhaps he had that situation with Billy Capshaw and perhaps that is the reason he didn’t kill him.

Billy is the seventh of eight children. His parents separated when he was a toddler. His older brother has had emotional problems since returning from service in Vietnam; he has a younger brother. Billy was his mother’s favorite and was pampered by his sisters. The family was poor, and he was made fun of in school because of his clothes. Because he wanted to help the family financially, particularly an older sister with a congenital heart condition, he enlisted in the Army in 1977 when he was barely seventeen years old. After training as a medic, he was sent to Germany and assigned a room with fellow medic Jeffrey Dahmer.

At first, Dahmer seemed like a likeable person and had a certain amount of charisma, but within a few days Billy became frightened as Dahmer began his process of completely controlling Billy by various means. He physically beat him. When Billy complained to those in authority, he was told that he was a “pussy” and was not taken seriously. The severity of the physical abuse increased, and Dahmer used an iron bar, which was part of the apparatus for the bed, to hit Billy across the joints. This caused the most pain, particularly in his knuckles and shins.

Somehow Dahmer arranged it so that Billy did not have regular assignments, and Dahmer controlled the only key to the room. When he left, he would lock Billy in the room. Dahmer also somehow arranged that his family’s mail or phone calls did not reach him. Billy was listed as AWOL at a time when he had not left the base. Both Billy and Dahmer were medics, and when Dahmer injured Billy, he went with Billy to the doctor and convinced them that he was taking care of him. He also convinced them that he was not the one who had injured him, even though Billy said otherwise. Billy said he got one doctor to believe him, but the doctor told him to report this to the same authorities who had previously not listened to him.

When Billy tried to escape by going out the window and down the fire escape, he found he had no place to go. He did spend some nights in a hotel room when he was getting his pay. When Billy came back, which he eventually had to because he had no place else to go, he was beaten severely. Somehow Dahmer made sure Billy didn’t get paid or pull duty assignments.

Billy would have flown home AWOL, but being in the service, he needed a pass to board a plane. Billy learned to watch Dahmer’s moods to try to minimize the attacks, and this became a life-saving preoccupation. When Billy dissociated during an attack and his eyes glazed over, Dahmer would insist that he look at him and would not allow Billy to dissociate. Dahmer beat Billy harder when he screamed and cried, so he eventually learned not to do either. The result of this was that he had a feeling of being numb. There was another side to Dahmer; sometimes he said he loved Billy, petted him, and would also grab him in the crotch as though he were grabbing a woman. At times he was insistent in teaching Billy about medicine and anatomy, particularly the bones.

Billy thinks that Dahmer drugged him. He remembers waking up and being tied with ropes and unable to get loose. On several occasions he was choked unconscious. Dahmer had anal intercourse with him while he was tied up. Billy felt ashamed and guilty about this, and for years he didn’t tell anyone. He had plans to kill Dahmer and make it look like an accident. Dahmer often drank until he passed out. Billy planned to hit him in the head with a piece of metal and say that he was drunk and had fallen out of bed. However, Billy doubted that he could get away with it, and he knew that if convicted, he would be in jail in Europe and never get to see his family again. He has since felt guilty that he didn’t kill Dahmer.

When people hear of Billy’s story, they often ask, “How did he let this happen to him?” In searching the Web, Billy read about the Stockholm Syndrome and thought that it applied to him. The syndrome got its name because, in a hostage situation in Stockholm, at least two of the women had love feelings toward the hostage-takers and one wanted to marry her former abuser. Bonding to one’s captor (abuser) is a survival strategy for victims and has been observed in a variety of hostage-taking situations. The four situational factors that are precursors to the Stockholm Syndrome were present in Billy’s situation. They are 1) perceived threat to one’s physical or psychological survival and the belief that the captor would carry out the threat; 2) perceived small kindness from the captor to the captive, (Note: Letting the captive live is enough); 3) isolation from perspectives other than those of the captor; 4) perceived inability to escape.

Applying the situational factors to Billy, I concluded the following:

1) Billy believed his survival depended on reading Dahmer’s moods and doing whatever he could to keep him from getting angry. He had tried every way that he knew to escape and was unsuccessful; 2) At times Dahmer did profess love for him and act as his teacher.
3) Billy was with Dahmer or alone. He was isolated from anybody else’s viewpoint or ideas; 4) After a while, Billy gave up hoping that he could escape or get anyone to help him. His total attention was directed to reading Dahmer’s moods.

Billy said, “ I never showed up for formation. I never showed up for work assignments and yet I got promoted.” He said, “The crazy military was really screwed up. The Army had not recovered from Vietnam and most soldiers got drunk every night.” Except for Billy and Dahmer, everyone there had been to Nam.

Billy requested repeatedly to be transferred to another room. All his attempts to get help were either ignored or made fun of. He is particularly resentful of one person I will call Paul. Billy said, “Paul found it all amusing. I’m sure he knew everything—the black eyes, the injuries. He made poor decisions. He didn’t listen. When people don’t listen, I still get upset. I felt he went behind my back. Dahmer would go into his room and I would hear them laughing and stuff.” Billy said that Paul acted gay. He was effeminate, and sometimes Dahmer had effeminate mannerisms. Billy suspected that Paul was giving Dahmer blowjobs, but he said he had no evidence to support this.

Billy said a soldier from another barracks started going to Paul’s room. Dahmer went to Paul’s door and knocked and got no answer; all night long he continued to knock on his door. Dahmer seemed very upset and increased the torture of Billy. Paul and Dahmer had a falling out, and didn’t talk to each other. Soon after that Billy was given an assignment in the field. He said, “ When I came back that sorry SOB (Dahmer) was gone. I heard that they had to drag him out of there.”

Chapter 4 - Dahmer Timeline

May 21,1960 Jeffrey Dahmer born

September 16, 1962 Billy Capshaw born

June, 1978 First known murder by Dahmer

January, 1979 Dahmer enlisted in U. S. Army and was stationed
in Germany

October 29, 1979 Billy Capshaw joined the U. S. Army

February, 1980 Billy assigned a room with Dahmer

August, 1981 Dahmer removed from room

October 29, 1981 Billy honorably discharged from U. S. Army

1981 Dahmer discharged from U. S. Army

1980-1981 Five unsolved murders near the Army base where
Dahmer stationed

July 22, 1991 Dahmer arrested

Jan - Feb 14, 1992 Dahmer’s trial

November, 1994 Dahmer murdered in prison

Notable: Dahmer first murdered at the age of 18, but his worst known murder spree began at the age of 30.

hunkahunka

12-04-2009, 03:10 PM

Ira Levin also wrote:

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Plot introduction

Backstory

The story is set in a seemingly perfect global society whose genesis remains vague. "Christ, Marx, Wood and Wei led us to this perfect day" is what school children learn to chant.

Uniformity is the defining feature; there is only one language and all ethnic groups have been eugenically merged into one race called "The Family". There are only four personal names for men, and four corresponding names for women. Instead of surnames, individuals are distinguished by a nine-character alphanumeric code, their nameber. Everyone eats "totalcakes", drinks "cokes", wears exactly the same thing and is satisfied - every day.

The world is ruled by a central computer called UniComp which has been programmed to keep every single human on the surface of the earth in check. People are continually drugged by means of regular injections so that they can never realize their potential as humans, but will remain satisfied and cooperative "Family members". They are told where to live, when to eat, whom to marry, when to reproduce, and which job they will be trained for. Everyone is assigned a counselor who acts somewhat like a mentor, confessor, and parole agent; violations against 'brothers' and 'sisters' by themselves and others are expected to be reported at a weekly confession.

Everyone wears a permanent identifying bracelet which interfaces with access points that act as scanners which tell the "Family members" where they are allowed to go and what they are allowed to do. At the age of 62, every person dies, presumably from an overdose of the treatment liquids; almost anything in them is poisonous if an excess dose is given. Now and then, someone dies at 61 or 63, so no one is too suspicious of the regularity. Even opposition against such a life by those few who happen to be resistant to the drugs, or those who purposely change their behavior to avoid strong doses of some of the drugs in the monthly treatment, and who consequently wake up to a day which for them turns out to be anything but perfect, is dealt with by the programmers of UniComp. These long-lived men and women, in their underground hideaway, constitute the real, albeit invisible, world government. Their ideology seems to be basically communist. They live in absolute luxury and choose their own members through a form of meritocracy. In part, people who choose, through evasion and modifying their own behavior, to leave the main Family are subtly re-directed to "nature preserves" of imperfect life on islands. These, however, have been put in place by the programmers as a place to isolate trouble-making Family members. The top minds among the outcasts are further manipulated into joining the programmers to help them maintain the equilibrium in the "perfect" world of UniComp and The Family.

Even the basic facts of nature are subject to the programmers' will - men do not grow facial hair, women do not develop breasts, and it only rains at night. Reference is made in the story to permanent settlements on Mars and even to interstellar space exploration; these outposts have their own equivalents of UniComp.

The full rhyme, sung by children bouncing a ball (similar to a Clapping game):

Christ, Marx, Wood and Wei,
Led us to this perfect day.
Marx, Wood, Wei and Christ,
All but Wei were sacrificed.
Wood, Wei, Christ and Marx,
Gave us lovely schools and parks.
Wei, Christ, Marx and Wood,
Made us humble, made us good.

Wei Li Chun is the name of the person who started the Unification, and, unbeknownst to all but the programmers and their attendants, remains alive as the head of the programmers (compare: Stalin), extending his lifespan by having his head transplanted onto successive youthful bodies. Bob Wood is mentioned throughout the novel, but never explained in detail. A painting is mentioned depicting Wood presenting the Unification Treaty--he may be a political leader executing the ideas of Wei. In one conversation in which the protagonist discusses his discovery that people once had varying lifespans, one character comments that controlling people's lifespans is the ultimate realization of the thinking of Wei and Wood. The historical Karl Marx is also rarely thought of as a martyr, possibly suggesting the distortion of history (a common theme in the genre) or that this world is the future of an alternative history, although maybe sacrificed is simply a poetic synonym for dead.

hunkahunka

13-04-2009, 01:05 AM

DRUDGE: CHURCH GUNMAN WROTE CRAZED LETTERS OF MK-ULTRA MIND CONTROL

From:

Drudge Report, http://www.drudgereport.com

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 1999 20:45:11 ET XXXXX

CHURCH GUNMAN WROTE CRAZED LETTERS TO LOCAL PAPER

According to publishing sources, Larry Gene Ashbrook, the madman
who slaughtered seven parishioners at the Wedgwood Baptist Church
Wednesday evening, sent two letters to the FORT-WORTH
STAR-TELEGRAM over the summer -- letters the paper plans to
reprint in Friday editions!

The STAR-TELEGRAM'S Karen Rouse reports that the letters describe
"bizarre tales of encounters with the Central Intelligence
Agency, psychological warfare, assaults by co-workers and
druggings by police."

Stephen Kaye, a city editor and one who received the letters,
said on Thursday that they contained "outlandish things", and
described the letters as "hard to follow."

"My immediate reaction was that there was not much we could do
for him."

Ashbrook even came by the STAR-TELEGRAM's offices and visited
Kaye -- who described the killer as "the opposite of someone
you'd be concerned about... He couldn't have been any nicer."

The eerie letters, which are dated July 31 and August 10, were
handed over to the Ft. Worth police on Thursday.

TEXT OF LARRY GENE ASHBROOK'S LETTERS:

City editor Stephen Kaye Fort Worth Star-Telegram 400 W. Seventh
St. Fort Worth, Texas, 76102 July 31, 1999

Sir:

I am interested in relating to you some events I have
experienced. If these events are true, then they would indicate a
serious injustice against me. Specifically: the denial of due
process for me in the investigation of me as a suspected serial
murderer. I use the term -investigation- loosely. It was not so
much an investigation as it was a continuous intereference in my
life and employment for a period of possibly twenty years.

Three operative terms apply to this situation: First; rumor
control, this was one method by which those investigating me used
to create problems for me: Second: Psychological warfare, this
was the general mode of of operation: Third: Plausible
deniability, the ideas those involved would proffer in order to
divert blame from themselves.

The first experience I had which became a clue to my future
problems occured in July of -79.- Soon after reporting to a
deployment site with the U.S. Navy squadron, I attended a social
event. While there I was pulled aside by a young man who was in
that squadron and he asked me some odd questions. The questions
involved the murder of someone I had no knowledge of. The tone of
his questions became almost accusatory. This was the first of
three similar events which occured during my active duty with the
Navy from -79- to -83.- What I eventually began to wonder was if
there were any reason for me to be a suspect in any murder. As I
now know, there were several abductions or murders of young women
in Fort Worth and Arlington during the -70s- when I lived in the
area.

After I moved back to Fort Worth in -84- the odd events became a
major problem in my life and occurred both on and off the job.
The seriousness of the events and the humiliation I sufered made
it impossible for me to keep a job.

The most pronounced situation began soon after I began work at
the Photo-Etch Company in 1986. Shortly after I was hired as a
machinist I was put on the evening shift with another employee
who was hired about a week after me. We were the only workers at
the company during that shift. At some point around September of
that year in the evening I was taking a break when the other
employee walked up to me and made a somewhat veiled indirect
threat. It went like this: -I have a lot of friends on the police
force, in fact I know a woman police officer who can kick your
(deleted) all over the place.- This was the beginning of
continuous troubles on the job at that company. When I attempted
to remedy the problems through the proper channels I got no
where. The troubles included minor physical abuse and general
disrespect by another employee.

Eventually after about six months of the situation I was visited
by the owners son. He identified himself as the one who oversees
the machine shop (even though I had never met him) and he called
me a liar concerning what was happening on the job. It was
obvious then that there was nothing I could do to remedy the
situation and I quit to look for another job.

During the period of unemployment that ensued the most blatant
event occurred. At that time in my life I was not dating,
socializing or spending much time with others. One evening I
decided to go out for a beer and I ended up at a nightclub on
East Lancaster. After I had been there for a few minutes a man
came and sat next to me at the bar. All that I recall of him is
that he talked about he had been in the U.S. Army special forces.
During the time we talked I began to feel slightly sick so I went
to the restroom. After a short time I felt better; however as I
returned to my seat I became very dizzy and passed out. Never
before had I experienced such an event. I was partically concious
and was aware that I as dragged out to the back of the bar by
several men. Eventually I told them that I believed that I had
been durgged and would they call the police. -We are the police-
was one man's reply. I was held against the wall with one mans
hand around my throat for several minutes. During that time I
described for them the man who had been sitting next to me. If
they did search for him they didn't find him. After a while I
felt better and left. Had I been at the east Fort Worth bar that
Linda Taylor was abducted from by Farryion Wardrip two years
earlier? I have other reasons for suspecting this.

The next job I had I was fired from, for no valid reason, one
week after the abduction of Wendy Robinson from Lake Weatherford.
I believe there was a connection.

In 1987, around the late summer, I began to seek the audience of
the Federal Bureau of Investigation. I certainly had reason to
believe I was being targeted by some investigative group. I was
unable to get an agent over the phone as the young woman who was
answering the phones would not connect me with one for reasons
I've never understood. By June -88- I decide to pay a visit to
the FBI office in person. I went to the down town Fort Worth
Federal Court House third floor office of the FBI and asked to
speak with an agent. An agent, I will not list his name here,
invited me to sit in his office and he would hear what I had to
say. The problem, though, is that he listened for about one
minute then stood-up and told me that I would be -contacted.- I
did not believe him though. I shook his hand and left.

Within about ten days I began to be visited by a person from the
neighborhood whom I had only been slightly acquainted with years
earlier. During the course of our initial, short, conversations
he asked me if I would be a -designated- driver for him and his
brother some time. I told him that I was uninterested. He
continued to come around for several weeks with the same request
until my interest was piqued and I consented to be his designated
driver so that he and his brother could visit a bar.

Beginning in late June I went to his house to pick him up and
take him to the bar he wanted to go to. We started out with him
directing me to go toward west Fort Worth on Loop 820. When we
got all the way around to the west side of -820- he began
discussing with his brother which bar to go to. Evenutally they
settled on a bar on Highway 180 even though we already exited on
to Route 199. After turning around and getting to -80- my
passengers decided they didn't want to go there either. I then
took them home. To make a long story short: in the foolowing year
up to April of -89- I continued to go over to this persons house
after he would call me. There were two recurrent phrases that
continued to come up in various conversations with him. The first
was that he -was going to do a cemetary job.- Initially when I
asked what he meant he said that he did lawn maintenance at a
cemetary. Then he would cite this quote which he said went back
to someone else: -Live by cancer, die by cancer.- All he meant by
this, he would say, ws that he was of the zodiac sign of the
cancer and that so was I. This relationship continued until the
day of Rick Green's arrest for the murders of several people in
west Fort Worth. When I called him up several times after Green's
arrest I was told by someone else that he was at -another
location.-He did not contact me again.

The possible connection is this: Ricky Green abducted two women
from a bar on -199.- Wendy Robinson was abducted from Lake
Weatherford which is near -180.- Was the drive my acquiantances
took me on supposed to be a test of some sort? I believe it was.

After Ricky Greens arrest I realized the reasons for my troubles.
There was no doubt. However; I could not forsee, at that time,
that there was another serial murderer, Faryion Waldrip, who fit
the same physical description of both Green and myself.

What could I have done about it? I tried for months to find a
lawyer who might make a case for me. After a year or so it was
evident no lawyers were going to be interested. Then I began
making contact with the media. I contacted three newspapers: The
Dallas Morning News, The Dallas Times Herald and The Fort Worth
Star-Telegram. All with no result. I contacted each of the
network TV station affiliate news rooms. None were interested.
During one conversation with a TV news anchor he asked me an odd
question: -Didn't you recently get out of the military.-Certainly
that struck me as a very strange or evne suspicious question for
him to ask. Why would he possibly think that I had been in the
military?

I have sought the assistance of many different people. I could
relate many more events that indicate that I was targeted as a
suspected serial murderer. There are many names of people whom I
could identify as being a party to the events. If just one
individual admitted, for there part what I allege, then I believe
the others would begin to be proven.

What I am asking is for you to investigate and tell my story.

Sincerely,

Larry Ashbrook

X X X X X

City Editor Stephen Kaye
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram
400 W. Seventh St.
Fort Worth, Texas 76102
August 10, 1999

Sir

This communication is an addendum to the July 31 letter. It is
obvious that you are uninterested in my story. Therefore, I find
it necessary to amplify certain aspects of it.

Consider one of three situations I experienced where people I had
never met volunteered that they were either former Central
Intelligence Agency employees or were laision with the CIA while
they were in the military.

In 1987, after being fired from the company I worked for in July,
as I related earlier, I got a job with a forging company in Fort
Worth. On the morning I reported to that company I aws to be
indoctrinated into the opearations of the machine shop by the
shop foreman. Unfortunately, it was not so much an indocrination
as it was a recounting of the mans exploits in Viet Nam.
Particularly his story was about how he worked laision with the
CIA and his exploits included special forces operations which
entailed assissination of enemy political units. This lecture
lasted the entire morning. From eight until lunchtime.

If this were the only time I had ever encountered someone who
voluntered such a story I would think nothing of it. However,
since it is one of three encounters and since it falls within the
time period that I am certain that I was being targeted as a
suspected serial murderer, then I must consider it a relevant
part of my situation. My employment at this company eventually
became impossible and I quit. Not because I could not work with
them but because they did not want to work with me.

Without belaboring the point with my experiences, I will call to
your attention two stories that have come out of the news in the
last decade. The first involved the Tarrant County Sheriffs
Department. I believe the year was 1991; and in that year there
was a situation which came to light in which it was found that
reserve deputies with the sheriffs department, who were full time
U.S. Airforce personel, were also discovered to be affiliated
with the Ku Klux Klan. What I particularly recall is that when
one of those involved personel was interviewed on TV (KXAS
Channel 5, NBC affiliate) he directly stated that they were
involved in -going after child abductors.- Amy Robinson's
abductor perhaps?

The second also involved the sheriff's department. The year was,
I believe, -95- or -96.- The story that came out disclosed that
an individual or individuals within the department had had, for
some time, a web site that contained the dossier's of suspects in
a criminal investigation. These files were being made available
to civilians so as to enable them to aid in the -criminal-
investigations. The implication of this should be obvious with
regard to my allegations.

What I must wonder about is the reason that no news reporting
agency, particularly yours, is interested in this story. Is it
because you think it implausible or unimportant? Is it because
the general political climate in Fort Worth is not conducive to
such a story? Or is there a clue in the words of John Chriswell,
then news anchor for the CBS affiliate, when he asked me, as I
was attempting to explain my situation: -Didn't you just get out
of the military?-

It is apparent to me that the suspicions against me have been
widely disseminated. I believe that there are a few individuals
who would realize no damage to themselves if they admitted to the
truth regarding my allegations.

With all due respect,

Larry Ashbrook

******************************
TIME Magazine

Terror In The Sanctuary
By David Van Biema Monday, Sep. 20, 1999

Here is the way one survivor tells it. When Larry Gene Ashbrook walked into the church sanctuary with his guns--a 9-mm semiautomatic and a .380-cal. one--he paused. He had already started a shooting spree outside that left two dead. But once inside he was approached by one of the teens who had been singing along with a Christian rock 'n' roll praise band. What the youngster offered the black-jacketed killer was heaven, saying, "You need Jesus." Ashbrook, 47, answered, "It's all bulls___, what you believe!" It was only then that he opened up on the over 100 defenseless worshippers, killing five more, wounding seven, creating martyrs.
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Last week's massacre at Wedgwood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas, may not have happened quite that way. That's a version being offered by someone who was there, but it's unconfirmed. Yet even if it is pious invention, it gives a glimpse of the way some evangelical Christians, children and adults alike, are thinking these days about the string of killings around the U.S. in which they have been victims. Last week's toll was added to the count of Christian teens killed at Columbine and three students killed at a 1997 prayer circle in West Paducah, Ky. Many evangelical leaders have begun to see "committed Christians" as the latest victims of hate crimes of the sort perpetrated upon blacks, women and gays. They have also begun to view those attacks in terms of the history of their faith--as acts of Satan, and as part of a persecution that stretches back to the earliest days of Christianity, during which countless believers suffered and died for professing their faith.

It's an explanation that allows the bereaved a certainty and solace in the face of a horrible riddle. And faced with the same endless series of senseless bloodlettings, even more secular precincts of America have been giving such claims a respectful hearing. After the shootings a moist-eyed George W. Bush said, "There seems to be a wave of evil passing through America." Today show's Katie Couric, interviewing Wedgwood's pastor, Al Meredith, listened as he offered the standard explanation for the crime: the killer was "deranged and deluded." Then, almost hesitantly, the pastor noted, "There's some possible theological, religious reasons you may not be interested in." Said Couric: "Well, go ahead." And Meredith explained that because of all the seminary students attending Wedgwood, "if I were Satan, and if I were real, and I wanted to deliver a death knell to the kingdom of God, I would target this church."

The man wore jeans and was smoking a cigarette. The first person he shot was Jeff Laster, a seminarian working as a custodian who asked him to put it out. Next was Sydney Browning, the children's choir director, resting on a sofa in the foyer, followed by a young man who had been selling Christian CDs. In the sanctuary, the shooter found a roomful of adolescents, happily celebrating that morning's observance of See You at the Pole, an annual national event in which Christian teens gather around their school flagpoles before classes to pray. A band called Forty Days was playing a song titled Alle, alleluia, when Ashbrook was allegedly invited to accept the Lord. He moved to the back of the sanctuary, banged a door to get his audience's attention, and started firing again.

At first, some of the teens thought it was a joke, a skit "to remind everyone how precious life was," says one of their parents. A youngster saw the boy next to him grab his waist. "It's just a paint gun," claimed the one who got hit. Both of them watched red ooze from a real-looking wound. "It stings," said the injured boy, still not understanding what had happened to him. People dove behind pews. Mary Beth Talley, 17, noticed that her friend Heather McDonald was not hiding. McDonald has Down syndrome. Talley threw herself on McDonald. Ashbrook fired. Even after Talley was shot, she continued to comfort McDonald, trying to keep her quiet. Talley survived with minor wounds.

The murderer paced and yelled at his victims to "be still." He shot and reloaded, shot and reloaded. Only after he pulled a small pipe bomb from his pocket, lit it and rolled it down the aisle--it exploded harmlessly--did those who could make a break for the doors. Then Ashbrook strolled to a back pew, sat down and shot himself fatally in the temple.

The police and other authorities who searched his home and his life in the next 72 hours found plenty of clues to a deranged mind. The walls had holes punched in them; the toilets had been filled with concrete; a set of journals dating back a decade itemized plots against him. Neighbors would later report about his ranting and exposing himself. Some speculated that what finally unhinged him was the death in July of his 85-year-old father, who had been the unemployed Ashbrook's sole means of support. What no one found was any connection to the Wedgwood church or its congregation.

Some, however, believe they have an inkling. They suspect that in a secularized America in which they are a minority, evangelical Christians are being martyred for their beliefs. "I think that people are gonna have to count the cost of pursuing their faith in God," says Toby McKeehan, a member of dc Talk, one of the most popular Christian bands. "Something we thought was [just] history--people being killed because they had faith, people being martyred--is suddenly happening before our very eyes." Evangelicals have always admired martyrs, from those murdered by Diocletian to slain missionaries. But interest over the past year has exploded as Christians have made up an increasing proportion of the victims of mass murders. Last month McKeehan and his bandmates published Jesus Freaks, a catalog of martyrs past and present, written for teens. But the most talked-about new account of martyrdom is She Said Yes, the moving, nuanced story of Littleton victim Cassie Bernall by her mother Misty. Stores have bought 200,000 copies of the book, which came out last Monday, three days before the Fort Worth shooting. In the evangelical world, Cassie is almost universally considered a martyr. The Fort Worth dead, although their stories are not quite as pointed, will probably be seen similarly.

Such deaths resonate all the more since many conservative Christians increasingly see themselves as persecuted, if not so bloodily. Bob Reccord, president of the Southern Baptist North American Mission Board, explains that "when Christians stand for the absolute truth as found in Scripture, and society in general wants to jettison any absolutes, you immediately set up a tension." Until recently, Evangelicals understood that tension to be mostly a matter of legal barriers to school prayer and snide comments in the larger culture. But Reccord now suggests that "you can see where somebody [like Ashbrook] with emotional problems could express it as anger."

Jerry Falwell, as usual, goes a step further. "Most hate crimes in America today are not directed toward African-American or Jewish people or gays or lesbians," he claims. "They are directed at evangelical Christians." He blames "Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Janet Reno" for not responding as forcefully to crimes against Evangelicals as they have to other kinds of hate crime.

Evangelicals' perception of themselves as targets has not yet altered their traditional opposition to gun control. Franklin Graham, Billy's son and heir apparent to his organization, says the true problem lies in our sinful nature: "Cain didn't use a gun." Reccord muses, "I think Evangelicals may say there are some things that perhaps need to be addressed through gun control, that guns, or perhaps kinds of guns, can contribute to violence. But they are not the ultimate problem, nor are TV shows or video games. The ultimate problem is inside the heart." And so, Evangelicals believe, is the ultimate answer

hunkahunka

13-04-2009, 11:47 PM

Here is an update on the CIA's latest cutesy little disclosure project, Gus Van Sant's adaptation of 'The Electric Koolaid Acid Test'.

It seems they are kooling to the idea . A year ago, the film was said to be due out in 2009. Rolling Stone Magazine has been hyping it as though it is
a sure thing. Latest word is that it has been postponed to 2010, the script is not even finished, and Van Sant is not even sure if he is going to go
ahead with it.

quote

“The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test” Heading to Theaters
12-Apr-2009
Written by: Sophie Duensing

Tom Wolfe's classic 1968 “The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test” is heading to theaters.

Tom Wolfe’s legendary 1968 book, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, is being made into a film that will hit theaters in 2010, Rolling Stone reports.

The story follows the “Merry Pranksters,” author Ken Kesey’s psychedelic LSD-tripping band of followers who traveled around America and helped bring the hippie movement mainstream, shedding light on bands such as the Grateful Dead.

Rolling Stone reports the project about the Oregon-based pranksters has been in the works for some time now and has finally been brought together by director Gus Van Sant, also from Oregon. Working with Van Sant is writer Dustin Lance, of HBO’s Big Love and this year’s Oscar winning film, Milk.

Rolling Stone reports that Kesey’s best friend and member of the Merry Pranksters, Ken Babbs, said, “I talked to Gus. And I was happy he was making the movie. Back in the 1970s, Kesey and Gus were friends and Ken told him if anyone ever made the film he wanted Gus to do it.”

The Ultimate Trip: "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" Heads to the Big Screen
Film version of Tom Wolfe's book on Ken Kesey's Merry Pranksters comes closer to reality

JOHN CLARKE JR.
ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE
April 10th, 2009

The onscreen version of Tom Wolfe's literary cult hit The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test is primed to hit theaters by 2010. When published in 1968, the book shattered cultural perceptions of the peaceful, passive hippie zeitgeist by introducing the Merry Pranksters, author Ken Kesey's roving gonzo army of LSD-fueled pioneers who tripped about the country, mixing it up with rowdy Oregonians, Bay Area hippies, Hollywood rockers, Hell's Angels and a flurry of left-handed characters that launched the psychedelic movement into mainstream America and ushered in the Grateful Dead.

Over the years, footage and audio of the Oregon-based Merry Pranksters have surfaced, but was little more than ragged, disjointed documentation of the group tripping and weirding out. Except for Neal Cassady's endless speed-jacked rap, there was little narrative. Now, director Gus Van Sant, an Oregon native, is helming the book's adaptation to the big screen with Milk and Big Love writer Dustin Lance Black. Milk's director of photography Harris Savides is also committed to the film.

After several false starts, the project is coming together. "These seeds have been in the wind for a long time," says Ken Babbs, Kesey's best friend and fellow Merry Prankster. "I talked to Gus. And I was happy he was making the movie. Back in the 1970s, Kesey and Gus were friends and Ken told him if anyone ever made the film he wanted Gus to do it."

Van Sant originally pictured the late Heath Ledger for the Kesey role, but now has two marquee names in mind: Woody Harrelson and Jack Black, which might make the film more of comedy than a zany drug jag. Carolyn Garcia (a.k.a. Mountain Girl), a Prankster and former wife of Jerry Garcia, said Harrelson visited Kesey shortly before he died. "They went out into the field and had a pretty good mind meld," Garcia says. "I just know he could play the role." Garcia mentioned Black might be a fit for "The Mad Chemist," the infamous LSD impresario Owsley "Bear" Stanley, who launched an untold number of minds into outer space and was an artist and early sound engineer for the Dead (he's credited with revolutionizing live stereo sound). Black's camp had no comment. And who will play Caroline Garcia? She suggests Scarlett Johansson. Maybe Maura Tierney. "Well, I'm 5'10", so she would have to be tall. I mean, I ride a Harley Davidson."

Lynn Nesbit, Wolfe's literary agent, said the writer will not likely be involved or play a major character in the film. Instead the focus will be on Kesey and his acid-guzzling band of Merry Pranksters. She added Wolfe left the twisted tales years ago and never looked back, "But I should call him before he reads about this in the papers."

And then there's the music. Should it reflect the actual Prankster playlist, it will be an outstanding soundtrack. ( Look back at the Dead's career, in photos.)

Kesey's crew took earnings from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest to fund their legendary Acid Tests, where they hired a relatively unknown band called the Warlocks (later named the Grateful Dead). But at the time of the bus trips, Babbs says they played Ray Charles and John Coltrane: "But mainly we did our own music, which was a form of communication without words." Garcia says there was also plenty of Bob Dylan, early Beatles, Miles Davis, lots of Motown and Pete Seeger. "We also played kids' music," she says. "That and classical music like Beethoven, Wagner, Strauss. Some John Phillips."

Being in the wheelhouse during the early heady days of the Merry Pranksters and the Grateful Dead, Garcia has strong feelings about LSD, the book and those Halcyon days. "This is a very valuable substance and appeared on the planet at the same time as the atomic bomb," she says. "We called it inner space. I'll do it now time to time, but I never took it lightly. When LSD came into my life I realized there was another way. Now, I'm about bringing LSD out into the front."

There are still questions about how the film will bring the book to life — similar dilemmas plagued another chemical classic, Hunter S. Thompson's Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas. Can certain aspects of the book be translated, or will third-party observations and interior monologue flow naturally through the storyline? Bear says "a very large CGI budget" could do the trick. "I think I, along with a design crew of my choosing, can work it out."

Now that the movie is closer to becoming a reality, both Owsley and Garcia are reexamining their relationship to Wolfe's text. "If you ask the people [Wolfe] spoke with they will tell you he wrote what they told him, and that may be true as to the words said — much of which was designed to prank him," Bear says. "The book however is more than the results of his interviews. The real tragedy was that they did not manage to dose him, a common practice of the era."

When Wolfe spoke with Rolling Stone's Mark Binelli for one of our 40th anniversary issues in 2007, he described his Kool-Aid reporting process: "One day Kesey said to me, 'Why don't you put the notebook and the pen away and just be here, and then write about it.' The idea was, join in, take some acid, have a few trips, and then write about it. I didn't say anything. The next day I arrived with my notebook and ball-point pen. He didn't say anything, but that was the answer."

"The movie is long overdue," Garcia says. "On the surface, the book ain't bad. But Wolfe didn't dig into the darker, weirder corners. As a film it will reflect the party. But hopefully it will get the meaning of it all.

BREAKING!!! I Am An Idiot!
Posted by Shawn Levy April 11, 2009 07:16AM

Things I learned yesterday:

1) Gus Van Sant is not on Twitter.

2) Dustin Lance Black's script for "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" is not finished.

3) When you have direct contact to an important source, you should wait for confirmation before running a story about him or her.

And, most crucially (and probably most widely suspected),

4) I am a credulous moron who really isn't nearly as cynical and hard-boiled as he thinks he is.

To wit:

So yesterday, like a demented rooster, I tweeted and blogged the news that Gus Van Sant was apparently tweeting on Twitter and that one of his tweets constituted the first from-the-source confirmation that he was going ahead with his anticipated film of Tom Wolfe's "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test," a seminal bit of '60s New Journalism, hippie folklore and freespirited Oregoniana.

Earlier in the week, I had stumbled across Gus's apparent tweet stream and was convinced because of a few key details in the handful of tweets on it that it was the real thing. And so when the tweet in question appeared yesterday morning, I composed a blog post about it. That "Electric Kool-Aid" might be Van Sant's next film was widely known; that an Oscar-nominated, Cannes-winning director was using Twitter to announce it -- as opposed to a story in a trade publication like "Variety" -- well, that was unique.

Before I published my blog post, I wrote an e-mail to Van Sant asking if the tweet was a genuine confirmation. And then I looked around the web and found this article from Rolling Stone -- also posted yesterday -- which gave credence to the tweet. And then I waited about an hour for Gus to reply. And then I committed a real sin of journalism: I published before I heard back from him.

Why would I do such a thing? Near as I can make it out, I was caught up in the white heat of the blog/tweet news cycle, which is something like microseconds. I knew better -- far better -- but my zeal trumped my sense. With the scent of something so cool and hot in the air, I leapt without looking.

At first -- just like any freefall -- it was exhilirating. Within minutes of my blog post -- and my own tweet linking to it -- I watched the news echo around the tweetosphere and blogosphere with satisfaction. It's so rare that a fellow in a town like Portland gets to break actual worthwhile film news, that it was gratifying to see, I confess. (Among the side-effects, Fake Gus's band of followers rose from 17 to more than 200 by mid-afternoon; they now number in the 300s -- you're welcome, you sly minx, whoever you are.)

But then something strange happened -- the original tweet was removed from Fake Gus's Twitter page. That caused me a twinge of concern, and I began poking around for clues as to the tweetstream's authenticity. But I got nowhere. Twitter is notorious for hosting imposters, in part because it's so vast and opaque. Anyone can claim to be anyone on Twitter -- or, in the words of the famous New Yorker cartoon, "On the internet, no one knows you're a dog."
Well, late in the afternoon, I discovered that I had, in fact, been hornswoggled by a dog. The Real Gus got back to me and told me right out "I'm not on Twitter."

Um: Doh.

Gus and I traded e-mails over the span of a few hours. He seemed amused by the whole thing -- "probably a fan -- or a stalker" he surmised of Fake Gus. As for "Electric Kool-Aid," it might be his next film, but "we haven't made plans yet -- no script as of yet." Which would seem to settle the matter for the time being, at any rate.

Except for the layers of egg that I've been peeling off my face for the past 12 hours, that is.

I sit this morning relating this at such length to fulfill the traditional mainstream journalism task of owning one's own mistakes -- especially the doozies. But also to offer myself as a caution. The old news cycle -- 24 hours, layers of editors -- has a lot of problems and can seem rather horse-and-buggyish in this jet-pack age. But a print editor handed my story would have asked right away, "Have you confirmed this with Gus?" and then put the story aside until I had. That editor, however, isn't sitting between me and my blog posts or tweets. And absent his or her wisdom, I blew it.

Bottom line: don't play cards with anyone named Doc, don't eat the meatloaf at a place called Mom's, and if a bit of online news sounds like a four-alarm fire, let it cool off a bit and check to see whether it's a real conflagration or some joker phoning in a false alarm. You'll sleep better. Trust me, even if just this one last time.

btw, is anyone else out there getting sick of seeing 'The Grateful Dead' hyped as though they were some household name? Who the fuck are the Grateful Dead? Name one song they put out since the sixties. We are supposed to feel like ignorant geeks because we don't know s?

hunkahunka

14-04-2009, 01:04 AM

I am certain that Cobain did not write the lyrics to Smells Like Teen Spirit.
The lyrics to that song and to 'Come As You Are' were given to him anonymously when he was just starting out as a fledgling 'poet' act /roady with Buzz Osbourne of the Melvins. Both of them were very raw, and at that time Cobain was still mastering the guitar , while Osbourne's early act was quite rudimentary as far as ability to play instrumentally. Osbourne's was a teenage thrash/noise metal act that moved around the Seattle/Portland region for reasons not fully disclosed, imo. Apparently, Cobain traveled with Osbourne to Calgary, Alberta, where he was given the lyrics, which
he kept for five years before deciding to record them.

It appears that Cobain wrote the music to accompany the lyrics
based on the suggestion that he use the riff from 'More than a Feeling',
but got cold feet about doing anonymously acquired lyrics that he could not properly credit the original writer with.

He then attempted to rewrite the lyrics , as evident on scraps of paper which were later,( after his death) cobbled together by Courtney Love as being part of something that was then marketed as the 'secret journals of a genius that meticulously planned his every move'.) In reality, the 'journal' was mostly the product of Courtney scraping together every bit of the scrap paper, notes, scribblings, old letters and looseleaf notebooks that she could find in Cobain's drawers and cobbling them together as something to make a buck on.
(I would not be surprised if some of the material was fabricated by Courtney outright to fill out a book length project) His plan was to use his newly composed music
(based partially on the distinctive riff of 'More than a Feeling' by Boston) with the reworked lyrics instead of the lyrics that were originally given him.

Included (below) was this attempt at rewriting Smells Like Teen Spirit:
[some interesting parts I have highlighted as it relates to some of the subject
matter in this thread]:

Come out and play
make up the rules
Take off your clothes
Ill see you in court
We’ll lose but we wont be bored

Come out and play, make up the rules,
Dyslexic idiot savant with bad hearing
load up on guns & bring your friends

The secret handshakes pretend
our little group has always been and always will until the end
we cut our hands & made a pact & swore wed never going back

A mulatto
an Albino
A mosquito my
libido
YAY

A deposit for a bottle
stuck inside it
no role model
A denial
Who will be the King & Queen of the outcasted teens. I hate to use percentages its nice to know there is a choice

Cobain decided that the above lyrics were an obvious failure, and went with the original
lyrics that were given him, with only some slight changes.

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Nirvana T-shirt : Nirvana: Fudge Packin, Crack Smokin, Satan Worshippin Motherfucker

'Mother fucker' also has its reference in My Own Private Idaho:

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in 'My Own Private Idaho' James Russo plays the part
of Mike Water's brother and father , in other words,
Mike was fathered by his own brother , ie: from his brother
sleeping with his mother.

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found this on River Phoenix and Gus Van Sant:

He died at age 23 outside Johnny Depp's Los Angeles club, the Viper Room. The official cause of death was drug-induced heart failure. Here is some of Louis Hobson's (Calgary Sun) take on it, which closely reflects what others have written:

"He collapsed on the sidewalk on Sunset Boulevard after staggering out of Johnny Depp's Viper Room nightclub, dying in the arms of his younger brother Joaquin Phoenix and River's then-girlfriend Samantha Mathis...
It was a horrible death with River suffering for almost 10 minutes from violent seizures. I was at a press junket and, because it was Halloween, we had wandered up to Santa Monica and Sunset Boulevards to catch a look at the outrageously-costumed revellers. Within days, it was confirmed Phoenix had overdosed on heroine and cocaine, the same mix of drugs that had killed John Belushi 11 years earlier. I was deeply saddened but, unfortunately, I was not surprised. I had interviewed Phoenix seven months earlier in Dallas for the drama The Thing Called Love. It was the fifth time I'd interviewed the young actor who I'd often referred to in features and reviews as his generation's James Dean. It was a tragic comparison as Dean died at age 24. River had generally been shy, reserved and polite. Not so in Dallas where he was brash and crude. The interviews were delayed so that River could be made presentable. He had been partying most of the previous night and was definitely in a major hang-over mode. He drew obscene caricatures on a piece of paper as he teased us with suggestions that perhaps he was a bisexual drug addict like the one he played two years earlier in Gus Van Sant's My Own Private Idaho. There are those who have blamed Van Sant for River's downward spiral encouraging him to experiment with both drugs and gay sex. Van Sant has never stooped to malign River, but he has suggested the actor had been experimenting with both years before filming My Own Private Idaho."

"

hunkahunka

15-04-2009, 12:54 PM

Audio:

Dr. Stan Monteith interviews Dr. Colin Ross , author of 'The CIA Doctors',
about CIA mind control operations:

link is not embeddable here, copy and paste into your browser/navigation bar:

mms://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net/radioliberty/041409c.mp3

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Product Description
The C.I.A. Doctors, (Manitou Communications, 2006), uncovers the truth about violations of human rights by American Psychiatrists in the twentieth century. Documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and cross-referenced research published in leading medical journals expose the existence of mind altering experiments on unwitting human subjects, paid for by the U.S. government, the U.S. Military and the C.I.A. These experiments which include LSD experiments, sensory deprivation, electroconvulsive treatment (ECT), brain electrode implants, radiation experiments and prostitution rings were perpetrated not by a few renegage doctors but by leading psychiatrists, psychologists, neurosurgeons, universities, medical schools and maximum security prisons on American soil. Dr. Ross takes you on a mind-blowing fact finding adventure into the secret world of espionage and Manchurian Candidates. Given our situations in Guantanamo and Abu Graib the only question left unanswered is what are the U.S. Government, psychiatrists and medical schools doing today? The C.I.A. Doctors was originally published as BLUEBIRD: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists in 2000.

hunkahunka

17-04-2009, 01:51 AM

Odd, two high profile abductions of blonde 8 year old girls , days apart,
one in the San Francisco area and one in the Toronto area, both of them involving female abductors, Sandra Cantu went missing on March 27th, and Victoria Stafford went missing on April 8.

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Sandra Cantu missing March 27th

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Victoria Stafford missing April 8th

Lets imagine for a moment that these two incidents are more than coincidentally related. First , Sandra Cantu disappears, and it is later
disclosed that Sandra was abducted and raped with a foreign object
by 20 year old Sunday School teacher Melissa Huckaby, who happens
to be the granddaughter of the pastor of the church , by the name of
Lane Lawless, and the mother of a five year old girl.

While all of this is happening, a girl of the same age at the other end of the continent, near Toronto, goes missing. Both of the girls are into fashionable clothes such as Hanna Montana items , Bratz purses, etc. Victoria Stafford
is still missing, and now due to be featured on 'America's Most Wanted'.
The last time Victoria Stafford was seen, was on surveillance camera near her school, being led off by a young female stranger.

Sandra Cantu is found dead, murdered under what could be considered the most unlikely of conditions , in the care of a female Sunday school teacher, while way over on the other end of the continent, poor little
Victoria Stafford is still missing.

Can you imagine a better way to instill terror in mothers and fathers continent-wide, than to set up this type of scenario, and all of it over the
Easter weekend, when everyone is home watching tv:
Both Toronto and San Francisco are massive metropolitan centers, guaranteeing the cases gigantic local and national exposure . Both of these are not cities, but megalopolises, amalgamations of cities, and both of the abduction locations are smack in the suburban middle of a similarly huge accumulation of people.

In the Sandra Cantu case, even the most trusted figures are now suspect. No one can be trusted, therefore no children are safe. Sandra
was killed inside a church, by a female teacher, and sexually raped to boot. Both of the girls lived in bland, peaceful suburban regions, middle-class, smack in the
center of gigantic megalopolises composed of several cities, and both
evidently betrayed by females in or near a care setting.

What better way to rid the reluctant christian public of their complacency,
than to use a suburb, a church, women, and christian caregivers to really
jolt Sally Soccer Mom into a paranoid frenzy?

Now look what I found today, and what fortuitous timing
(this is just one of 128 news stories on
The Masonic Child Identification Program in the
past month according to Google News alone:
http://news.google.ca/news?pz=1&ned=ca&hl=en&q=The+Masonic+Child+Identification+Program&cf=all&scoring=n)

http://www.myfmradio.ca/1057/wire/news/00008_CHIP_To_Identify_Children_082805.php

The Masonic Child Identification Program

CHIP To Identify Children

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 8:28:50 EDT

With the ongoing saga of missing Woodstock girl Victoria Stafford, you can't help but think of how safe your own children might be if something like this was to happen closer to home. Coming up on April the 25th, it's the Masonic Child Identification Program (CHIP) where children's information such as photos, fingerprints, and DNA are processed onto a CD for you to take home and in the event your child goes missing, you can present the CD to police. When asked about the program that's offered free of charge here's what you said.

cannot embed the audio, but listen to all the singing endorsements of praise
for this pseudo-microchip , or microchip precursor at this link:
http://www.myfmradio.ca/1057/wire/news/00008_CHIP_To_Identify_Children_082805.php
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Two little girls dead at Easter time, perfectly timed to generate another wave of springtime publicity for The MASONIC CHIP PROGRAM TO IDENTIFY CHILDREN. (the program recently expanded to Ontario, Canada)

There are millions of masons in North America. The peer pressure exerted by
the countless powerful masonic organizations on their memberships, will likely produce mass voluntary participation among the myriad professions, guilds, unions, associations controlled by them.

This is the precursor. Eventually the CHIP program will be made mandatory
at certain schools, then in certain cities, and eventually nationwide.
Then over time, this will morph into of course, an implantable CHIP.

Sandra Cantu is dead.
Is there nothing these people will not resort to?

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http://www.njfreemason.net/_borders/child-id1.jpg

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what I picture is this:

Six years ago, a group of masons doubtless under the direction of Nick Rockefeller (see Freedom to Fascism video by Aron Russo) is conducting market research to gauge America's resistance to being microchipped , and come up with some disappointing information. While it is an obvious strategy to use terror to manipulate North Americans into accepting more and more limitations on their freedoms, the research reveals that North Americans are too comfortable , too insulated in peaceful suburbs, and still too hostile to the idea of being microchipped. Sally Soccer Mom and Oprah rule the nation,
and Sally Soccer Mom has entirely too much faith in the system. She can run to the suburbs away from all the terrorism, all the anthrax, and urban crime. Once there, she can even turn off the television and 'return to god' to protect her kids.

"Mike , what 's the verdict? Is the average family ready for microchipping yet?"

"Nick, the data's not too encouraging. Sally Soccer Mom rules the roost.
She's way too damn comfortable with things the way they are. What's more , she's still distinctly uncomfortable with the idea of an implanted GPS or RFID chip in anyone. We might have to do this incrementally. "

So the Rockefellers devise a plan whereby the RFID can be 'phased in'. "We'll start with just a CD registration program, but we'll call it the CHIP, just to get people used to the idea. Predictive programming will enable us to familiarize the masses with the whole concept of the CHIP in association with the safety of children.We'll call it 'The Masonic Child Identification Program'. (CHIP)"

"But what about Sally Soccer Mom, who still thinks her kids can be kept safe, even without the CHIP program?"

"Regular child abductions/rapes/murders/child porn busts can be arranged in the heart of suburban areas, preferably central to large urban hubs, with a higher than average percentage of masonic membership. The abductions and murders will be systematically timed to correspond with major media pushes for The Masonic Child Identification Program. (CHIP) We'll get every masonic organization on board to push this. As for the christians, the soccer moms, we'll hit them right where it hurts the most, in their suburban sanctuaries, and we'll take the crimes right into their churches and schools if necessary. Soon, every Who in Whoville will be begging us to microchip, RFID ,and GPS their kids"

So now we have the spate of female teachers busted for sex with minors. Since when did the elite ever care about any of that?

And this article:

Sandra Cantu's Murder Latest in High Profile Crimes for Tracy: Hoping for Strength Out of Tragedy
Tracy, Calif. Mayor Brent Ives: 'We'll Bend, But We Won't Break'

by SARAH NETTER
April 16, 2009
The town of Tracy, Calif., is preparing to say goodbye 8-year-old Sandra Cantu today, but the folks in this San Francisco suburb are also struggling to understand a rash of crimes against their children.
Photo: Jesse Llorente III, was arrested for molestation and child pornography. Michael Schumacher, Kelly Lau Schumacher, and Caren Ramirez were arrested in December for abuse of a teen who was found shackled.
The arrest of Melissa Huckaby, shown crying in a Stockton, Calif., for the murder of Sandra Cantu,... Expand
The arrest of Melissa Huckaby, shown crying in a Stockton, Calif., for the murder of Sandra Cantu, inset, is just one of the many tragedies to befall the town of Tracy in the last six months. Residents have also deal with the arrest of Jesse Llorente, top left, on child pornography and lewd acts charges and the arrests of Caren Ramirez, center left, and Kelly and Michael Schumacher, bottom left, for the abuse of a local teen. Collapse
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On the day that a preacher's daughter was arraigned on charges of raping and killing Sandra, a man who had been a substitute teacher in Tracy's schools for the last five years was in another courtroom in the same superior court to face charges he molested about a dozen children and possessed child pornography.

These twin shocks came just months after an emaciated teenager, with shackles still around his ankle, escaped the clutches of the family he had been living with.

"This area has never experienced anything like this," Tracy Unified School District spokeswoman Jessica Cardoza told ABCNews.com. "These past few months have been very difficult." The area was particularly alarmed in the days after Sandra went missing, she said.

"We didn't know if someone in the community would be preying on another child," she said.

Andrea Stagmeier, a Tracy mother of four and the PTA co-president at Sandra's Jacobson Elementary School, said the adults in Tracy are dealling with the murder and other crimes "a lot worse than the kids are." Sandra's murder hit particularly close to the Stagmeier home -- her youngest daughter Grace, 7, was a recess and after-school playmate of Sandra's and the two would switch desks in their second-grade classrooms for different subjects. Telling Grace, who had watched her father join the search for Sandra, that her friend was found dead was "was the hardest thing I've ever done." "She didn't understand how somebody could do that," Stagmeier said. It's a question the adults in Tracy are grappling with as well, especially when the person alleged to be responsible was a Sunday school teacher who many in the community trusted with their children. If seemingly normal people can commit the types of crimes seen recently in Tracy, she said, "then what about your neighbors? What about other people at the schools?"

Sandra's private funeral services were held Wednesday. Her casket, covered in messages written by her family and her second-grade classmates, was carried down the street in a horse-drawn carriage. A public memorial service is scheduled for today.

ABC News has learned that the woman charged in her death, Melissa Huckaby, has received credible death threats, prompting high security during her court appearance.

Tracy made the news back in December when a 17-year-old emaciated boy came into the In-Shape Sports Club with a padlocked chain around his ankle, asking a gym employee to hide him. He was dirty, seemed confused and appeared to have been beaten, police said.

Tracy police arrested four people in the case on a variety of abuse charges: 44-year-old Carmen Ramirez, the boy's aunt, Kelly Lau Schumacher, 31 and her husband, Michael Schumacher, 34 and their neighbor Anthony Waiters, 30.

Police told ABCNews.com in December that the boy had been living with the Shumachers after running away from a group foster home in 2007.

Witnesses said last year that he had jumped a fence to get into the gym, a short distance away from the Schumachers' home. According to local media reports, all four have been indicted and all but Schumacher, who has not entered a plea, have pleaded not guilty.

A Trusted Teacher Arrested on Pornography, Lewd Acts Charges

Then last month, Tracy police arrested long-time substitute teacher Jesse Llorente III and charged him with child pornography, and several counts of felonious lewd acts with a child.

The arrest came after fifth- and sixth-grade students in Tracy's George Kelly Elementary School reported he made them feel uncomfortable when he stroked their hair and shoulders.

Llorente, whose case is being played out in San Joaquin Superior Court alongside Huckaby's, pleaded not guilty Tuesday.

Just days after Llorente's arrest, Sandra disappeared. Her body was found 10 days later stuffed into a suitcase that had been thrown into an irrigation pond a few miles from her house.

So far, no motives have been offered in Sandra's death. The charges of special circumstances of rape, kidnapping and lewd acts with a child when accompanying a murder charge mean Huckaby could be sentenced to death if convicted.

Huckaby's 5-year-old daughter Madison was once Sandra's playmate. Police have told ABCNews.com they believe Sandra was killed shortly after being seen skipping across the street in her neighborhood, an image that has been ingrained in the minds of Tracy residents.

The San Joaquin District Attorney's office is prosecuting four cases from Tracy right now, according to Deputy District Attorney Robert Himelblau, the fourth being rape charges against plastic surgeon Peter Chi. Chi, 46, has not entered a plea but is accused of raping eight female patients and commissioning a lewd act with a 16-year-old, according to ABC affiliate KXTV.

But Himelblau told ABCNews.com in an e-mail that Tracy doesn't present his office with more crime than any other town in his district.

"I believe that Tracy has just hit a bad run of high-profile cases," he said.

Gory Details' of Sandra Cantu Case Too Much to Bear

The more violent circumstances of the cases -- from the shackled teen's apparent ongoing abuse to Sandra's alleged rape and murder -- are almost too much for some people to bear.

Stagmeier said extremely disturbed hearing the charge against Huckaby that Sandra was raped with a foreign object.

"I could have gone the rest of my life without the gory details," she said. But now school officials have asked parents whose children may have spent time with Huckaby to question their children to determine whether others may have been assaulted. And things like that make residents worry what else could happen in Tracy. "I kind of do wait for the next shoe to fall, unfortunately," Stagmeier said. "I wish it wasn't that way unfortunately." And it makes her sad, because she said Tracy is the type of small town people hope to live in: Her family moved there about three years ago for a quieter life. "I just hope that our town gets over this," she said. "I really think that it's just a bad stroke of luck."

Cardoza said the outpouring of support in the wake of Sandra's death has been stunning. The school district has received offers from around the country of psychologists for students and teachers and for benches, trees, gardens and murals in Sandra's name.

Long's Drugs, an area pharmacy chain, even sent over Easter baskets for Sandra's entire second-grade class at Jacobson Elementary School, Cardoza said, adding that the district did take up one offer for books on safety, also for Sandra's classmates.

In turn, school officials have been open to answer a flood of concerns from parents, especially in the days after Llorente's arrest and Sandra's disappearance.

"When things like this happen, it's personal to all of us," Tracy Mayor Burt Ives told ABCNews.com.

Like any other American town, Tracy has seen its fair share of sadness from car accidents and soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. But the rash of outrageous crimes in the last few months is something different.

"Getting national attention is not something we're used to," Ives said, "nor do we want to get used to (it.)"

Sandra Cantu Case Is Tracy's 'Slice' of Evil

Tracy, a suburb of the San Francisco Bay area is home to about 80,000 people. About 70 percent of its workforce commutes to the Silicon Valley, Ives said, yet the town still relies heavily on its agricultural roots growing tomatoes, alfalfa and peaches, among other crops.

The town was only 15,000 people strong in the 1970s, but has increased in popularity and population as the Bay Area continues to sprawl outwards. Ives said the residents are a mix of white and blue collar workers.

While Sandra's disappearance from a mobile home park -- some have called it a trailer park -- has painted the town as rural or backwoods, Ives said there are only a few such parks in town and Orchard Estates where Sandra lived is a "clean, nice little neighborhood."

"This could have happened anywhere," he said.

But it didn't -- it happened in Tracy.

Ives said that while the community is rallying behind Sandra's family – he called her the town's "little adopted daughter" -- they aren't too sure how to deal with her alleged killer's family.

"I think it's really hard to know how to treat them right now," he said.

"There's evil in this world and unfortunately, we got our slice of it as well," Ives said. "We'll bend, but we won't break.

so note the sub-text at play, right as I laid it out.

It happened in Tracy. Meaning, it happened in a place where you all thought you could run to, to be safe. Hah ha ha.

I like the female town name too. Sounds like a name for a horror movie: "It happened in Tracy', the horrifying story of the demonic lusts that pushed the innocent young woman Tracy to murder children. Now available on DVD."

I am pretty sure these occultists may have selected the suburb of Tracy because the female name of the town symbolizes the beginning of their new strategy to activate 'female' violence on children. In defiling 'Tracy' , they defile the matriarch, the sanctuary or the nest. Pardon my skepticism, but I highly doubt that
the christian mother of a five year old girl, a Sunday school teacher, would find the time to rape and murder an eight year old, and then practically invite the police
to arrest her with phone calls and notes leading them not only right to the body but right to the alleged killer, just in time for Easter. What better way to wreck the warm and fuzzies of all those complacent Christians in their idyllic Easter suburbs than to nestle the photos of a couple of blonde innocents like Sandra and Victoria in alongside the pink bunny rabbits and yellow chick-a-dees.
So along with your Easter Egg hunt , you get your 'missing child' hunt, and in Tracy,
it turns out that the Easter Bunny herself has raped and murdered one of the
spring lambs.