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hunkahunka

18-09-2009, 12:41 PM

another lost Kirkbride:

Utah State Hospital
aka Territorial Insane Asylum
Provo,Utah

Established: 1885. Historic main building demolished 1981
Architect: Richard Karl August Kletting

The following photo dates from 1896

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~asylums/utah_ut/utah_sm.jpg

lluminati Mormons - Satanic Ritual Abuse Coverup
by DEAD MAN MUSINGS

Illuminati Mormons - Satanic Ritual Abuse Coverup (July 21, 2009) In 1996, The State of Utah investigated hundreds of cases of Satanic Ritual abuse. The Glenn Pace memo (below) showed that the Satanic Luciferian Cult, known as the Illuminati had infiltrated the Mormon Church.

Posing as good members and leaders by day, at night, according to testimonials from numerous victims, they were involved in the most horrid and sadistic rituals known to man.

There is more than enough evidence to suggest that Utah politicians, media and law enforcement executed the biggest cover-up in the history of the state. Since that time, pressure has been exerted by the Illuminati-controlled Courts and media to prevent any accounts from making it into the public eye. With one exception...

"A Governor's Task Force on Ritual Abuse in Utah was created in March 1990 out of concerns raised by the Governor’s Commission on Women and Family and the state Task Force on Child Abuse. The task force concluded that ritual abuse was occurring in Utah as a significant problem and recommended that the legislature appropriate $250,000 to the Attorney General's office to hire four investigators for a year.

Some funds were appropriated, and two investigators were hired.

In late February 1995, the Utah Attorney General’s office closed a two-and-a-half-year investigation with two investigators of "over 125 cases of alleged ritual crime. In some cases, these investigations involved hundreds of hours of investigation and evaluation. In addition, the Unit investigators have met with hundreds of citizens who claim to be victims of satanic, religious, physical or sexually motivated ritual crimes….None of the allegations…. have resulted in’ prosecutions except for the case of the Zion Society in Ogden."3 The investigators used a broad definition of ritual ("any customarily repeated act or series of acts"), differentiated between ritualism and occultism, and described eleven different types of occult groups.4

Investigator Mike King told KUTV that he and another investigator talked to "hundreds" of victims who alleged they were raped, tortured, forced to perform horrible acts [,]…brainwashed, saw babies murdered or were forced to participate in ritual murders. ‘I really feel for these people and I would like to help them, but we just couldn’t find the evidence."’ Gerald Lazar, head of psychiatry at LDS Hospital, said "he has never been able to independently verify memories of satanic ritual abuse."

Indeed. Multiple personality syndrome is enough evidence in and of itself to show that the trauma was real. People don't disassociate when they have their teeth pulled or see a scary movie. The illuminati have focused on discrediting MPS as "False Memory Syndrome". The thought that false memories, suggested by a therapist, are enough to cause MPS is laughable. Again, the trauma has to be so severe, that a person disassociates. Car accidents don't cause MPS. nor do lost fortunes. To Understand how severe, read a former Cult Programmers story.

A jury, in a criminal trial, has to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt, that a crime occurred. The presence of a dead body is not necessary to prosecute and convict Cult Members of other crimes. See Kiplyn Davis Case. Remember, the standard is not absolute proof, it is beyond a reasonable doubt.

In the Glenn Pace memo, one of the "General Authorities (Presiding Bishopric)" of the Mormon/LDS Church summarizes the results of his investigation.

"I have met with sixty victims. That number could be twice or three times as many if I did not discipline myself to only one meeting per week. I have not wanted my involvement with this issue to become a handicap in fulfilling my assigned responsibilities. On the other hand, I felt someone needed to pay the price to obtain an intellectual and spiritual conviction as to the seriousness of this problem within the Church.

"Of the sixty victims with whom I have met, fifty-three are female and seven are male. Eight are children. The abuse occurred in the following places: Utah (37), Idaho (3), California (4), Mexico (2), and other places (14). Fifty-three victims are currently living in the State of Utah. All sixty individuals are members of the Church. Forty-five victims allege witnessing and/or participating in human sacrifice. The majority were abused by relatives, often their parents. All have developed psychological problems and most have been diagnosed as having multiple personality disorder or some other form of dissociative disorder."....

"Ritualistic child abuse is the most hideous of all child abuse. The basic objective is premeditated—to systematically and methodically torture and terrorize children until they are forced to dissociate. The torture is not a consequence of the loss of temper, but the execution of well-planned, well-thought out rituals often performed by close relatives. The only escape for the children is to dissociate. They will develop a new personality to enable them to endure various forms of abuse. When the episode is over, the core personality is again in control and the individual is not conscious of what happened."

The memories seem to come in layers. For example, the first memory might be of incest, then they remember robes and candles; next they realize that their father or mother or both were present when they were being abused. Another layer will be the memory of seeing other people hurt and even killed. Then they remember having seen babies killed. Another layer is realizing that they participated in the sacrifices. One of the most painful memories may be that they even sacrificed their own baby. With each layer of memory comes another set of problems with which they must deal.

Now, although it is impossible to find a body to confirm that a "human sacrifice" took place. It would only require a simple medical examination to demonstrate sexual abuse. Rape leaves a person physically scarred. The LDS Church does not have the power to prosecute criminals. It can simply recommend the victim meet with law enforcement to prosecute the crime.

Law enforcements failure to prosecute a crime with physical evidence is a crime in and of itself. It is a conspiracy that would have to involve perpetrators, judges, psychiatrists, politicians, others in positions of influence, etc. The Illuminati are that conspiracy. "Silence of the Lambs" would be a fitting title.
And now for the disgusting media manipulation perpetrated by Joe Cannon's Deseret News and other Illuminati conspirators.

Anne Johnson was traumatized by her mother and father throughout her childhood

"When Anne A Johnson Davis was just three years old, her mother and stepfather began to physically, sexually and mentally abuse her—in the name of Satan. Until she ran away from home at 17, her parents and other cult members subjected her to satanic ritual abuse, a criminally inhumane and bizarre form of devil worship. In the middle of the night, Anne would be drugged and forced to endure hours of ritualistic torture as a symbolic sacrifice

Interestingly enough, she also secured signed confessions from the perpetrators. She, made the decision not the prosecute them.

One problem: It wasn't her decision. Her parents had committed crimes against the state and the State had the responsibility to prosecute with or without her consent. This is the law. The state had the evidence (the signed confessions) and should have gone forward with it. Instead, we end up with a story that seems to follow the Illuminati Formula for deception and intrigue.

No one doubts that this woman was not speaking the truth, but the outcome did nothing to protect the rest of us from the parents future crimes. Repentance includes facing Justice, not avoiding it through manipulating the victim.

The Deseret News, by focusing on this one story, forced any other victims into tragic box. Prosecute the perps and you are not being "Christlike". You should forgive and forget.

Glenn Pace explains the inner turmoil the victim feels by coming forward:

"Most victims are suicidal. They have been brainwashed with drugs, hypnosis, and other means to become suicidal as soon as they start to tell the secrets. They have been threatened all of their lives that if they don't do what they are told their brother or sister will die, their parents will die, their house will be burned, or they themselves will be killed. They have every reason to believe it since they have seen people killed. They believe they might as well kill themselves instead of wait for the occult to do it. Some personalities feel it is the right thing to do."

He also condemns what Joe Cannon's Deseret News clearly advocates in this story.

"Orthodox counsel is completely ineffective. For example, some victims have been told that this all happened in their past and that they should put it behind them and get on with their lives."

But this is exactly the path Joe Cannon's Deseret News advocates!

Can their be any doubt that Joe Cannon leads the Utah Illuminati agenda? Can there be any doubt that the Illuminati are involved is gross crimes against humanity in an attempt to gain power and influence?

Can There be any doubt that Joe Cannon is using his Church Membership as a "shield" against prosecution and exposure of his and the other conspirator's crimes?

You can help. Share this article with others. Remind them that they have the "God given" right to defend themselves, against the Utah Illuminati. Exposure and Prayer are the only way to exercise this cancer from our midst!

It has been my contention, and the contention of many others, that the glogal elite (in finance, entertainment, business, and politics) worship a religion that involves harnessing the forces of what they believe is both good and evil. They claim Lucifer as the "Angel of Light". A Promethius that was cast out by God and Jesus for sharing "Science and Philosophy" with man. He is represented by the "all-seeing eye" at the top of an unfinished pyramid.

The other being is Satan. Illuminists believe that they can subdue the powers of this being and use it to accumulate great wealth and eternal powers by submitting to its will. Thus we see that the Illuminati worship the rational mind and an alliance with evil to obtain rulership over this earth.

Although they exist at all levels of society. They are only 1-2% of the entire population and are heavily concentrated in positions of power. Their goal is one world dominion run by them and their ally Lucifer through appeasement of the forces of Satan. A Plato's Republic, as it were, with a smaller population (90% population reduction is their goal). Communism, as explained by Socrates, will be their Utopia. Their will be no family units and there will be no individual identity. Your daughters and wives (if they survive) are community property and will be violated as sex toys by anyone that has the powers to defile them.

They also know that no rational human being will commit murder or genocide if they are in their "right mind". Thus they use torture, human sacrifice and sexual abuse to create multiple personalities within the same individual. A person with multiple personality syndrome can be the well respected member of society during the day and a horrific monster by night. Like Jeckyll and Hyde, neither personality is aware of the other and must be "called up" by a controller that has the code of the mind slave.

In the end, their Utopia will be run by the 1% with the remaining population "programmed" as mind slaves to do their will. No matter how bizarre or self-destructive.

ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED
http://deadmanmusings.blogspot.com/

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~asylums/utah_ut/utah_lg.jpg
Territorial Insane Asylum, Provo, Utah, 1896

bullet 2005-FEB-24: USA: Mormon scholar dies; daughter writes book on ritual abuse: The New York Times reported that:

"Hugh W. Nibley, a Mormon religious scholar who was one of the most active and outspoken defenders of Mormon writings and teachings, died yesterday at his home in Provo, Utah. He was 94."

Martha Beck, alleged to be one of his daughters, has written a book titled ''Leaving the Saints: How I Lost the Mormons and Found My Faith.'' She has a doctorate from Harvard and writes a monthly column in "O" the Oprah Magazine. In her book, she criticizes the church for stifling dissent and independent thought among Mormon scholars through firing, excommunication or shunning. She also allegedly accuses her father of having sexually abused her during rituals while she was a child. She allegedly believes that she repressed the abuse memories and recovered them in 1990. She does not reveal her father's name in the book. She explained:

"I omitted names because this book is not about accusing anyone; it is about the terrible toll exacted on human lives when details of religious dogma are considered more important than an individual human being's sense of truth."

She experienced what she believes to have been a near-death experience while undergoing surgery when she believes that she encountered a "Being of Light". Her first memory of the alleged abuse surfaced two days later. She:

"...remembers being stretched out and legs spread like a frog on a dissecting table. 'My father is doing something that feels as though it's ripping me in two,' she writes in the book, recalling her father saying words like 'Father Abraham,' 'The Book of the Dead,' 'the prophet Joseph,' 'Amut the Destroyer,' 'the prophet Joseph Smith,' [and] 'Abrahamic sacrifice."

Her father was one of the church's leading authorities and chief defenders against intellectual attacks. He has published 15 books; five more are anticipated in the future. Dr. Nibley's remaining seven children have signed a statement condemning the book, saying that they were ''saddened by the book's countless errors, falsehoods, contradictions and gross distortions.'' The LDS Church also has denounced the book as "seriously flawed" in the way it depicts the church, its members and teachings. Spokesman Dale Bills said: "Fair-minded readers will find it at best unconvincing, at worst mean-spirited and at times absurd."

hunkahunka

20-09-2009, 05:25 AM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxhxXTHBOoM&feature=fvw

soulja

20-09-2009, 06:28 PM

hunka, it's great to see you kept the thread up and going. I have a lot of reading up to do.

hunkahunka

21-09-2009, 01:03 PM

hunka, it's great to see you kept the thread up and going. I have a lot of reading up to do.

its good to see you back, I hope you start adding to the thread again

video:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3395566/coast_to_coast_manson_and_mk_ultra/

hunkahunka

21-09-2009, 01:16 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P35maITNqc

Project MK-ULTRA, or MKULTRA, was the code name for a covert CIA mind-control and chemical interrogation research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence. The program began in the early 1950s, continuing at least through the late 1960s, and it used United States citizens as its test subjects. The published evidence indicates that Project MK-ULTRA involved the surreptitious use of many types of drugs, as well as other methods, to manipulate individual mental states and to alter brain function.

Project MK-ULTRA was first brought to wide public attention in 1975 by the U.S. Congress, through investigations by the Church Committee, and by a presidential commission known as the Rockefeller Commission. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MK-ULTRA files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms' destruction order.

Although the CIA insists that MK-ULTRA-type experiments have been abandoned, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti has stated in various interviews that the CIA routinely conducts disinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MK-ULTRA was abandoned a "cover story."

On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:

"The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an 'extensive testing and experimentation' program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens "at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign." Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to 'unwitting subjects in social situations.' At least one death, that of Dr. Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers."

Project ARTICHOKE was a CIA project that researched interrogation methods and arose from Project BLUEBIRD on August 20, 1951, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence. A memorandum by Richard Helms to CIA director Allen Welsh Dulles indicated Artichoke became Project MKULTRA on April 13, 1953.

The project studied hypnosis, forced morphine addiction (and subsequent forced withdrawal), and the use of other chemicals, among other methods, to produce amnesia and other vulnerable states in subjects.

Artichoke was an offensive program of mind control that gathered together the intelligence divisions of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and FBI. In addition, the scope of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated, "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?"

Operation LAC (Large Area Coverage), was a U.S. Army Chemical Corps operation which dispersed microscopic zinc cadmium sulfide (ZnCdS) particles over much of the United States. The purpose was to determine the dispersion and geographic range of biological or chemical agents.

hunkahunka

22-09-2009, 03:54 PM

quote:

http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/mcmartin-preschool-case-what-really-happened-and-the-coverup/

McMartin Preschool Case – What Really Happened and the Coverup

Welcome to Manhattan Beach

Paul Bynum graduated from college in 1972 and joined the Hermosa Beach police department a year later. At 31 he was promoted to the rank of chief detective. Bynum was not a traditional investigator. One fellow detective often thought he was “too bright to be a cop.” Off duty, he drove an MG and mixed with the ’60s survivors at the Sweetwater Café.

In 1976 Bynum was assigned the investigation of the Karen Klaas murder. Klaas was the divorced wife of Bill Medley, a vocalist for the Righteous Brothers. She was raped and murdered one morning about an hour after dropping her five-year-old son off at the McMartin preschool in Manhattan Beach.

Neighbors told police they’d been alarmed at the sight of a menacing stranger before the murder wandering through the neighborhood. Police later entertained speculation that Klaas had been stalked. Throughout the week her body was found, this same stranger had popped up several times on her corner. A neighbor phoned Karen to warn her. She didn’t answer. When friends entered the back door of the house, concerned for her safety, they found a Caucasian male with a beard, about 5′7″, 28 years old, dressed in a long olive green coat with a tunic collar and boots. He was leaving through the front door. Klaas was found naked and unconscious. She died five days later. Nothing was stolen. Police had no indication that Klaas knew the man who assaulted her.

In 1984, shortly after indictments were handed to defendants in the McMartin child molestation case, Gerald Klaas, her husband, drove off a cliff in Oregon and was killed. Children alleged in a grand jury hearing that teachers at the preschool had threatened to kill family members if they talked about abuse, It was rumored around town that the Klaas deaths and the McMartin case may have been related. But police said no. “We have no leads, no suspects and we’re not coordinating with Manhattan Beach,” Hermosa Beach Lt. Mike Lavin told reporters.1

In 1979, Paul Bynum was forced out of the police department without an explanation despite an unblemished record. After Bynum had wrapped up an investigation of a series of murders of teenage girls in nearby Redondo Beach, culminating in the arrest and conviction of serial killers Roy Norris and Lawrence Bittaker, police chief Frank Beeson pressured Bynum to take a stress leave. Bynum was haunted by the serial murder investigation, but remained confident in his emotional stability. He refused the leave. The chief obtained an order from the city manager, and Bynum was forced out on an indefinite disability leave. He chalked it up to internal politics, “paranoia.” “When the papers reported that Beeson had shown up apparently drunk at his first Hermosa council meeting and dropped his revolver on the floor,” Bynum told reporter Kevin Cody, “he thought we had tipped reporters.” Beeson was unaware that reporters routinely attended meetings of the city council.2

Bynum set out on a new career as a private investigator. In March 1984, he was retained by the Buckeys’ defense attorney, Danny Davis, and in the course of his investigation came to the conclusion that children had been abused at the preschool. He found the video-taped interviews of the children by child therapists “credible.” One afternoon, Cody informed Bynum that hundreds of children had alleged molestation took place at the preschool. Bynum was shocked. He stammered he had no idea so many children were involved.

In 1986 he was called to testify at the trial of Ray Buckey by prosecutor Lael Rubin. The morning he was to appear a juror’s home was burglarized and Bynum’s testimony was rescheduled for the next morning. “Neither side is going to like what I have to say,” he told Cody. For one thing, there was the matter of Bynum’s lost citation books, records he’d kept while a detective in Hermosa Beach. When the police arrested Ray Buckey on molestation charges, the “lost” books were discovered on the preschool attendant’s desk. What were official police records doing in Buckey’s home? And Prosecutor Rubin had intended to ask Bynum about a map turned up by DA investigators in March 1986, pin-pointing the location of turtle shells Bynum had unearthed at the lot next to the McMartin preschool. (The children claimed teachers had killed turtles to demonstrate what would happen to them and their families if they talked about the molestations. Bynum, while retained by the defense, had managed to corroborate a key point in the testimony of the children.)

Bynum’s court appearance was preempted by “suicide,” although the timing left some parents in the case convinced he’d been murdered.3 His body was discovered by his wife at 5:45 in the morning. He died of a head shot from a .38 caliber pistol. “None of the half dozen people questioned who were close to Bynum could think of any reason why his involvement in the case might have driven him to suicide,” reported the Easy Reader in Manhattan Beach. “Paul was kind of a worrier,” said Stephen Kay, a deputy district attorney and friend of the Bynum family, “but there was no hint of suicide. He was very upbeat about his wife and new daughter, both of whom he adored.”4

The belief that Bynum had been murdered was fueled by the memory of another odd death, the alcohol toxicity that claimed the life of Judy Johnson. She was the first mother to speak publicly about child molestation at McMartin. and sympathizers of the Buckeys in the press have gone to great lengths to portray Johnson as “crazy.” Her life was inverted the day her son came home from the McMartin school, bleeding. Strangers entered her life, intimidated her. She believed she’d been poisoned. (In 1992, therapists at the L.A. Commission for Women’s Ritual Abuse Task Force were also poisoned, and corroborated their allegations with medical reports – the Los Angeles Times was given the reports, but ignored them and alleged the therapists were paranoid fantasists.5) She lived in fear, felt it necessary to keep a gun in the house. Her estranged husband appeared to have joined in the harassment campaign. She took to alcohol. She was allergic to alcohol. It poisoned her.

The death of Judy Johnson was met with howls of laughter in greater Los Angeles. She will be remembered as the delusional paranoiac who set in motion a wave of “hysteria” carried through Southern California by a sensational press and out across the plains, contaminating lives and decimating families everywhere. A groundless witch-hunt. This was the explanation doled out by “experts” from leading universities. Nevertheless, children who attended the preschool still insist they were abused. And the detailed memories of their parents are sharply at odds with the simple caricature of the case repeated endlessly in the press. They recall not suggestive questioning, but the long hours of testimony by dozens of children, the telephoned death threats, how some of the children suffered deep emotional problems requiring hospitalization. Knowing child pornography to be a highly lucrative business, they frown at the snickering over the childrens’ disclosures that they were forced to play “naked movie-star” games. They haven’t put aside as anomalous accident the first exhibit in the case, a physician’s report that one of the children suffered “blunt force trauma” of sexual areas.6 The parents were left to ponder why some of the toddlers in the care of the McMartins had chlamydia, a sexually-transmitted infection.7 Where was the humor in all of this?

Open Season

The parents wondered, like everyone else, at the incredibility of the charges – some said the children were lying – yet they had to question Peggy McMartin’s testimony that she only worked at the school for a short time, when payroll records showed that she had been employed there for years. To the families, the final verdict of Ray Buckey meant it was now “open season on children.”

The world was told redundantly that ABC’s Wayne Satz, the reporter who broke the case (killed by a heart attack in December, 1992 at age 47), and Kee MacFarlane, a therapist testifying for the prosecution, had an affair, as if this had any bearing on the allegations of the children. Even Oliver Stone, perhaps in ignorance, took to the bandwagon with a film made for HBO, written by Abby Mann, theorizing that hysteria in Manhattan Beach was kindled when one child returned home from school one afternoon with “a red bottom” – this would be the son of Judy Johnson, and he hadn’t been spanked – he was bleeding from the anus.

This hardly constitutes media “spin.” It is conscious participation in a felony. The account of the case pounded into collective memory by media repetition goes that far to distort the facts. The widespread media coverage was, according to Los Angeles Times editor Noel Greenwood, “a mean-spirited campaign” organized to discredit the children and their therapists.8 But why should certain members of the corporate press, and segments of the legal and psychiatric professions, go to such lengths to suppress evidence of organized child abuse at McMartin?

The traumatic crimes reported by the toddlers bear an uncanny resemblance to mind control programming, a specialty of certain classified federal agencies and cult cut-outs on the black budget payroll.8 The children are often ridiculed because some of their charges are impossible. Tunnels under the preschool? Too ludicrous to consider. But as it happens, there were tunnels, confirmed in 1993 by a team of five scientists from leading universities.

The unearthing of the tunnels, like much of the critical evidence, never made it to the courtroom. They have been discreetly excluded from newspaper accounts. Filling the void, Debbie Nathan, a widely published skeptic of ritual abuse, heaped ridicule on the tunnel allegations in the Village Voice in June 1990. She maintained the McMartin site had already been “painstakingly probed for tunnels. None were found”9 Nathan’s account is a fabrication. In fact, recalls Dr. Roland Summit, who contributed to the final report on the tunnel excavation, parents started digging and prosecutors, reluctantly forced to a showdown, “commissioned a superficial search of open terrain.” District Attorney Ira Reiner then declared the tunnel stories unfounded “without going under the concrete floor of the preschool.”Once the tunnels were officially discounted, attempts to explore for an underground reality were instant targets for ridicule.”10 Archeologist Gary Stickel was retained to lead the excavation on the re-commendation of Dr. Rainier Berger, chairman of UCLA’s Interdisciplinary Archeology Program, by parents of McMartin children.11 Initially Stickel sided with the Buckeys, believing the abuse allegations to be so much moonlight for hysterics. However, he’d heard of late homicide detective Paul Bynum, the first to dig at the site: Bynum apparently conducted his informal digging in February, 1984 (Daily Breeze, 1987). It is significant to note he did unearth some buried animal remains, “numerous pieces of tortoise shells and bones” (Daily Breeze, 1987). “There was keen interest at the time since it was reported that the children testified that tortoises, rabbits, and other small animals were mutilated to terrorize the children into keeping silent” (Daily Breeze, 1987).12

But “experts” courted by the press snaffled at the suggestion that animals were killed to frighten children at McMartin and other preschools around the country. It was not until 1993 that a study by the National Center for Child Abuse and Neglect confirmed that children are not only threatened in day care settings, “most threats are very specific in terms of what the consequence of disclosure will be and how the threat will be carried out…. The use of such severe threats is obviously quite frightening to young children and is effective in preventing disclosure. In fact, it appears that threats used in day care center cases may go beyond what is usually needed to silence victims, and may in some instances be made for purposes of psychological terror in and of itself.”13

Into the Grotto

Most reporters in Southern California pooh-poohed evidence of coercion, but there was a great, gaping silence when the tunnels were found. “I asked my daughter,” recalls Jackie MacGauley, a mother of two children who attended the preschool, “‘How could they have taken you to these places without being seen?’ And she answered me as though I was silly to ask such a question. She said, ‘Through the tunnels, of course.’”

The Los Angeles Times ran a spate of features poking fun of the excavation team until actual evidence of tunnels was discovered. Then the Times ran a brief news item, one paragraph long, dryly noting that “evidence” of tunnels had been found, and never mentioned the subject again. The local Beach Reporter covered the story without a blush: “parents began to dig with shovels, allegedly in an area pointed out by a nine-year-old former student of the McMartin preschool, who told them to dig behind a cement planter in the northeast corner. When parents unearthed several broken turtle shells and a few bones, they stopped digging and notified the district attorney’s office.”

Once the entrance was exposed, Stickel used remote sensing equipment to read the terrain conductivity of the empty lot next to the preschool. The survey was conducted by a respected geophysicist, Robert Beer, working with an electromagnetic scanner. The tunnel opening was found precisely where children said it would be. Stickel: “Some of the children had stated there had been animal cages placed along that wall and that they had entered a tunnel under the cages.” A foreign soil deposit was found near the foundation. Clearing the anomaly with a backhoe, they found the roots of an avocado tree cut to clear a path for the tunnel. The roots had been cut with a hand saw and torn away, and shreds dangled on either wall of the tunnel.

That’s the moment editors at the Times chose to pull reporters off the story. All other news outlets rapidly followed suit. But the excavators cleared the foreign soil and followed the tunnel anyway. It “meandered under Classroom No. 4 and then most of Classroom No. 3…. There is no other scenario that fits all of the facts except that the feature was indeed a tunnel,” they concluded. “The date of the construction and use of the tunnel was not absolutely established, but an assessment of seven factors of data all indicate that it was probably constructed, used and completely filled back in sometime after 1966 (the construction date of the preschool).”14

Dr. E. Michael, a specialist in forensic geology in Malibu, was called to examine a cavity in the underground passage. Together with Dr. Herbert Adams of the geology department at Cal State University, a ground resistivity reading of the tunnel was followed from the preschool to a triplex next door, a traversing section parallel to the north wall of the school, 5 feet away, extending 20 feet eastward, 10 to 15 feet beneath the surface.15

Gerald Hobbs, a local tree surgeon for 25 years, did much of the actual digging. Hobbs: The children had told two different stories about this tunnel prior to the dig. One, that they had gone through the tunnel and came up in the house next door, and two, they had come up in the garage, which blocked the house from the street. At any rate, the tunnel went in that direction…. That evening I went to the house next door and followed the walk between the school and the house, only about 41/2 feet apart. I went about 30 feet down between the buildings and found a crawl space under the house. I bellied my way toward the southwest corner of the house. After going about 20 feet, I found an area inside the west wall of the house where the floor was cut out. If I remember correctly, the area of floor that was missing was 36″ X 38″ X 41″.16

A total of 77 animal bones were found buried at the McMartin site, an assortment of the osteo-remains of domestic cattle, chickens, dogs and a single rabbit.17 However, Debbie Nathan, the hide-bound “skeptic” of ritual abuse, a scion of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, told another story. The McMartin site, she insisted, had already been “painstakingly probed for tunnels” by the D.A.’s office. (Not so, as we’ve seen). “None were found. [The McMartin] parents have invested years believing in demonic conspiracies and underground nursery tunnels. (Until recently the parents were still digging. They came up with Indian artifacts).” No mention of Bynum’s independent findings. No mention of the dig as it happened in the real world. She reserves much of her scorn for former FBI agent Ted Gunderson and Jackie MacGauley. Nathan seems not to realize that Gunderson and MacGauley brought in Stickel and his geological team to defuse accusations they were directly engaged in the dig. They weren’t. The search for the tunnels was independent, and scores of volunteers pitched in.

Nathan’s refrain of “no evidence” is hollow. She has been known to contort around the facts of ritual abuse in a grotesque parody of journalism and is frequently blind to critical evidence. Nathan continues to find “no evidence” of abuse at McMartin despite the nightmares, the acting-out, medical molestation reports and sexual infections. The tunnel excavation, she assures with psychic certainty (and a sniff of condescension), is a “hoax.”

To come to the point: Nathan’s propaganda, repeated in the New York Times and a host of other corporate publications, happened to conceal a classified mind control operation the CIA and Pentagon had undertaken thirty years before….

End of Part One

hunkahunka

22-09-2009, 04:33 PM

quote:

Ray Buckey’s Press Corps and the Tunnels of McMartin –

From: Psychic Dictatorship in the USA, Alex Constantine (Feral House, 1995).

A fusillade of press reports, OpEd Columns and television documentaries have dismissed the McMartin case as a “witch hunt” born of mass hysteria, coercive therapy, false memories and greed. Yet all seven jurors attending a press conference after the second trial raised heir hands when asked who among them believed children had been abused at the preschool. So why the call to public denial from the press?

After the initial flurry of press coverage of the McMartin Preschool molestation case, a number of sympathetic reporters and psychiatrists publicly exonerated Ray Buckey and his co-defendants. This observer’s gallery of “skeptics” also deny that ritual abuse is a social problem. The argument consistently leads to the lament that the McMartin allegations were incited by mass hysteria, an ambitious district attorney and an incompetent child therapist. The hysteria thesis, promoted by a small group of pedophile defense psychologists, mostly, has appeared in publications of stature including the Los Angeles Times, San Francisco Chronicle, Wall Street Journal, Village Voice, Harper’s, New Yorker, Newsweek,. The McMartin case was the subject of an Oliver Stone cable feature.

Media boosters of the defense neglect to acknowledge the most damning evidence in the McMartin case. Instead, they explain away superficial, carefully-sifted pieces of the case. In preparation for the trial, 389 toddlers were interviewed – nearly all of them described abuse at the preschool, and do to this day. Some 80 percent had physical symptoms, including blunt force trauma of sexual areas, scarring, rectal bleeding and sexual diseases. Interestingly enough, skeptics of ritual abuse in the public print often have dubious bona fides themselves. Some even participate secretly in the pedophile and occult undergrounds, most notably a couple of Los Angeles writers who have written the only two book available on McMartin, taking mental health professionals, police, the press and prosecutors to task for pursuing false allegations of abuse.

The Politics of Child Abuse, by Paul and Shirley Eberle, purports to be something of a definitive investigation. A blurb for the book exults: “This has got to be one of the most devastating political detective stories of all time. The authors smashed open the child abuse witch-hunt so everyone can see it for what it is – the way it really happened, and why. Here is the amazing story, starting with the first spectacular accusations, the marathon pre-trial hearing, the endless series of false accusations.” Since the Eberles’ first McMartin book appeared in 19896, the Eberles have achieved national status as child abuse experts. In courts of law their work is frequently cited, and they lecture widely to receptive audiences.

The Eberles once appeared as featured speakers at a conference held by Victims of Child Abuse Laws (VOCAL), an organization that feted The politics of child Abuse as positively revelatory. But Paul and shirley Eberle can hardly be considered credible reporters. Blurbs in their own pornographic tabloid, L.A. Star, failed to mention that in the 1970s the authors once ran an underground tabloid for pedophiles in Los Angeles, Finger, which delved heavily into sadomasochistic sex, sex with children and sex acts involving human excrement. Finger contained sexual drawings by children and pedophile erotica, including “My First Rape,” “She was Only Thirteen,” “Sexpot at Five,” and “What Happens when Niggers Adopt White Children.” One issue featured a cover photo of two naked adults reclining amid a pile of inflated dolls. A letter to Finger declaimed: “I’m a pedophile and I think it’s great a man is having sex with his daughter…. Would like to see pics of nude girls making it with their daddy, but realize its too risky to print.”

The book’s publisher, Carole Stuart of Lyle Stuart & Co., told Ms. magazine that the Eberles have been “friends of the family for years.” In The Politics of Child Abuse, the Eberles claimed that since the McMartin arrests, “we have been barraged with hundreds of sexual abuse cases, in which many people have been sent to prison for staggeringly long terms on little or no evidence.” That the Eberles themselves remain at large would seem to contradict the notion that child abuse laws are stringently over-enforced. The Eberles attempt to portray every abuser as a victim of the justice system: We believe that every molestation case in which there has been a conviction should be reopened and reviewed. There is convincing evidence that innocent people have been imprisoned, that naive juries and judges were unable to believe the defendants would be brought to trial if no crime had occurred, and defense attorneys have not been allowed to bring all the pertinent facts before the public.

Los Angeles attorney Sally Dichter, in a book review, argued that the Eberles have “nothing to offer to any discipline.” The book she lamented, “is an attempt to vindicate every individual who has been convicted of child abuse.” Considering their credentials as child pornographers, of course the Eberles, as Dichter discovered, believe “every molestation case in which there has been a conviction should be reopened and reviewed.” Dichter found this point of view unbelievable: “The Eberles seem intent on convincing the reader that child abuse never occurs.” The authors “skepticism” of ritual child abuse is shared by Gerald Larue, professor emeritus of Biblical history and archeology at the University of Southern California. Larue is one of the principals behind the Noah’s Ark hoax, which culminated in February 1993 with a two-hour CBS prime-time special, “The Incredible Discovery of Noah’s Ark, billed by CBS as a documentary. Scholars immediately denounced it. The network refused to retract.

Satanism in America, a book that Larue co-wrote, attributed the McMartin case to a “satanic panic” incited by wild-eyed “religious fanatics, opportunists and emotionally unstable survivors whose stories simply are not to be believed” —- an agonizing irony given Larue’s instigation of the Noah’s Ark hoax. He argues that the “child abuse hysteria sweeping the country us being fueled by people for whom facts have no meaning. They invent ‘facts.’”

Langley Connections and the Rise of the Child Abuse Backlash

Another “expert” who has dismissed McMartin as a classic witch-hunt is Dr. Douglas Besherov, once the director of the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect. He is also a directory of the rabidly right-wing American Enterprise Institute, a Washington D.C. think tank To supplement his weighty credentials, Besherov writes for academic social and political quarterlies with long histories of collaborating with the CIA for propaganda purposes. He is a coeval of Irving Kristol, a veteran CIA psychological warfare specialist. In 1976, the Congressional Church committee hearings revealed that the CIA is deeply entrenched in the American press. Some 400 journalists, it emerged at the hearings, had collaborated with the Agency at least once. CIA propagandists like Besherov and Kristol provide others in the field with a scholastic support base, and mold opinion on campus. with such CIA-anchored academic journals as Encounter and The Public Interest, both edited by neo-con Kristol. In 1986, Public Interest published a monograph by Dr. Besherov entitled “Unfounded Allegations – A New Child Abuse Problem.” Besherov opens with the observation of legal scholar Sanford Katz that “the maltreatment of children is as old as recorded history. Infanticide, ritual sacrifice, exposure, mutilation, abandonment, brutal discipline and the near slavery of child labor have existed in all cultures.”

Dr. Besherov, left dry-eyed by such conditions, blamed the media and mandatory reporting laws for dragging child abuse out of the closet (where he seems to prefer it) and blowing the severity of the problem out of proportion. Besherov’s influential follow-up article, “Doing Something About Child Abuse: The Need to Narrow the Grounds for State Intervention,” was published in 1985 by Irving Kristol and the American Enterprise Institute. In it, Besherov argues that most allegations of child abuse are statistically unfounded. His slipshod use of statistics drove the Child Welfare League of America (CWLA) to publicly find him responsible for leading the public “to believe that child abuse is leveling off or that, as reports increase, the level of substantiation decreases.” The CWLA notes that its survey results indicate a “substantial increase in reports,” and “a stable rate of confirmation,” directly contradicting Besherov’s statistical red herring. Turning to the children removed from their homes by social workers, Besherov states flatly: “According to data collected by the federal government, it appears that up to half of these children were in no immediate danger at home and could have been safely left there.”

The government “data” cited by Besherov derives from a study conducted by the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect. The authors of the study told New York Times reporter David Hechler that “the information is not there” to support Besherov’s assertion that half of all abused children left in the custody of their parents are in “no immediate danger.” “He has used our statistics in this case to prove a point when (he) simply can’t do it,” a Center researcher told Hechler. When asked for his response, the AEI scholar refused to comment. By fabricating statistics, Besherov reveals himself to be a propagandist. Have unfounded allegations led to a national McCarthyite frenzy, as Besherov contends? “I’m sure there are false allegations,,” concedes David Finkelhor, a sociologist specializing in child abuse. “I’m sure when people are caught up in false allegations it’s terrible.” But in criminal cases of all kinds, “there’s always the possibility of false allegations, and I don’t think they’re more severe in the area of child abuse that they are in — I want to say something innocuous – people making false allegations about having had money stolen from them, or false allegations of embezzlement.” Besherov’s work has given rise to such hysteria-producing diatribes as “False Accusations of Child Abuse: Could it Happen to You.” (Women’s Day, July 8, 1986), and “Invasion of the Child Savers: No One is Safe in the War Against Abuse” (Progressive, September, 1985) – both are adventures in hyperbole, like Besherov’s cooked statistics.

“Family abuse,” by A.C. Carlson, another protégé of Irving Kristol. appeared in Reason magazine, a publication that has frequently runs CIA disinformation. Hechler writes that Carlson has gone “even further than Besherov, inflating the unfounded rate beyond belief.” Erroneously, in fact, Carlson laments that “the victims pile up,” like corpses in a pile, and commiserates needlessly with “the sky-rocketing number of parents and teachers falsely accused of child abuse.”

Ritual abuse “skeptics” with CIA connections are covering up the latest phase in Agency-sponsored mind control experimentation. For thirty years Agency scientists have collaborated with cults (many of them founded by the government) to conceal the development of mind control technology. Jim Jones and the People’s Temple was one product of the alliance. McMartin was another. Both episodes have been buried in disinformation. The campaign to mislead the public about ritual abuse is ambitious, rivaling the campaign to conceal the facts in the murder of John F. Kennedy. The smokescreen is also explained in part by reports implicating the CIA in child prostitution for the purposes of political blackmail – a variation on the age-old sex trap. CIA agents have been directly involved in organized child sex rings. In Enslaved (1991), an investigation of the worldwide slavery underground, Gordon Thomas found Agency participation in the kidnap of Latin American children “flown across the border in light aircraft, and sold to child sex rings, or sold so their organs could be used in transplants.” Some of the pilots, Thomas discovered, “made two or three flights a day. The more experienced used Beech 18s because of the aircraft’s capacity and maneuverability. The majority of the fliers were mercenaries who had flown for the CIA.”

Ray Buckey’s father, Charles, worked for Hughes Aircraft. There is an old adage that holds “Hughes is the CIA.” Charles Buckey built the McMartin Preschool. According to carbon dating readings, the tunnels unearthed beneath the preschool were dug in 1968 – the year the school was built. Buckey Sr. testified on the stand that there were no tunnels. The media has been completely silent on this score, which brings us to…

The Tunnel Cover-Up

El Paso reporter Debbie Nathan, utterly convinced of the defendants’ innocence, entered the fray in The Village Voice, and has appeared in newspapers across the country, including The L.A. Weekly, Sacramento Bee, San Francisco Chronicle, and elsewhere. She has been honored with the Free Press Association’s H. L. Mencken Award, and Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism prize. She is a leading proponent of the “mass hysteria” thesis, the notion that many child abuse allegations are “unfounded.” Her cavalier dismissal is not supported by objective research. Dr. David Chadwick of San Diego’s childrens’ Hospital, in the Journal of the American Medical Association (May 26, 1989), contends that 8 percent of all abuse allegations are unfounded, at most, and are “rather easily distinguishable in a careful review.”

At times it is difficult to tell whether Nathan is a “skeptic” or an apologist of sexual abuse. “Most pedophilia,” she contends, “consists of caressing and fondling. for most children, these experiences appear to be at best confusing, at worst traumatic. But others seem to willingly participate, and some adults recall that while still legally minors they accepted, even welcomed, sex with grown-ups.” Nathan doesn’t condemn the abuser. After all, “compared to the abuses of a child protection movement gone mad, could incest be any worse?”

Alex Cockburn is a Nathan supporter, and has on occasion gotten caught up in her pro-pedophilic obfuscations, as in this diatribe from The Nation for March 8, 1993: As a Miami-based anthropologist, Rafael Martinez, consultant to the Dade County Medical Examiner’s Office, told Nathan, in traditional Latin American cultures “kissing and hugging is common with children up to three or four years old. It is common for females to kiss children all over the place – including on the genitals.

The practice of kissing children on the genitals may be traditional in some cultures, but it is frowned upon by the Manhattan Beach preschool licensing board. Alex Cockburn’s skepticism toward ritual abuse was summed up in an editorial appearing in the February 8, 1990 Wall Street Journal, “The McMartin Case: Indict the Children, Jail the Parents.” The son of a British spy, and a loquacious defender of the Warren Commission, Cockburn has such strong feelings about the McMartin case that he once publicly maligned an editor of the L.A. Weekly for refusing to print a recommendation that “the tots bearing false witness in the McMartin preschool case be jailed for perjury.”

His primary source on the subject of child abuse, Debbie Nathan, is herself something of a false witness. In ‘What McMartin Started: The Ritual Abuse Hoax” (Village Voice, June 12, 1990), Ms. Nathan moaned that “children at McMartin told of being molested in tunnels under the school. None were ever found, but until recently parents were still digging.” In fact, 30 days before Nathan’s article appeared, the tunnels were discovered beneath the preschool by scientists hired by the parents, confirming the testimony of the children. The project employed a team of archeologists from local universities, two geologists, a professional excavator, a carbon-dating specialist and a professional photographer to document the dig’s progress and findings. The longest tunnel was six feet beneath the preschool, running eastward 45 feet from the southwest wall, and ten feet along the north wall. The tunnel walls were held in place by support beams and a roof of plywood and tarpaper. A branch of the tunnel led to a nine-foot chamber (the “secret room” described by the children?). Another extended from the preschool to the triplex next door, surfacing beneath a roll-away bathtub. Forensic tests on thousands of objects found at the site – including two hundred animal bones – were conducted.

Until the tunnels were found, the L.A. Times covered the dig – with a smirk. The parents and scientists involved were portrayed as crack-pots – until the existence of the tunnels were substantiated by experts, at which time the newspaper abruptly stopped reporting the story. the public was left with the false impression that the search had failed. Critics of the excavation pointed out that District Attorney Ira Reiner had already searched for tunnels. At best, this is a half-truth. Reiner’s team tore up a bit of floor tile, but did not even bother to remove the glue that held it in place. The D.A.’s team, as it happens, dug up the lot next to the preschool, not underneath. “Actually,” McMartin mother Jackie MacGauley, who supervised the excavation, notes, “we were the first to dig on the property.” The search for the tunnels was undertaken with ground-penetrating radar to probe for inconsistencies in the soil. A bell-shaped area of disturbed earth was discovered along the foundation of the west wall. The tunnels beneath the opposite wall was unearthed (precisely where the children said it would be found all along) beneath the foundation. A [passage had been knocked through the concrete. "It was interesting," MacGauley told L.A.'s Pacifica Radio, "because a lot of the child development specialists, psychiatrists and therapists across the country thought that it was some psychological phenomenon that the kids would talk about tunnels. Somehow that idea got 'planted,' and they had all these theories as to why all the kids would talk about something like this. It obviously couldn't be true. And the district attorney at the time just flatly did not believe it, and really didn't want to look." Neither did the press.

A Cottage Industry of Child Abuse Debunkers

"MODERN WITCH-HUNT - CHILD ABUSE CHARGES" bawled a Wall Street Journal editorial for February 22, 1993. But the tone of the column was dry and high-toned. Dr. Richard Gardner, professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University, cautioned that "a great wave of hysteria" had gripped the country. In the early 90s, the mass hysteria premise was touted by big city newspapers and magazines of elite stature, all attempting to persuade - with evident bias and inflated "expert" opinion - that false child abuse charges were endemic. This school of disinformation coaxed public opinion with dire exhortations of a child abuse witch-hunt. In his Wall Street Journal comments, Dr. Gardner warned that a great wave of hysteria, "by far the worst" in history, the most devastating "with regard to the number of lives that have been destroyed and families that have been disintegrated."

Gardner's basic argument is that allegations of child abuse are often fabricated by parents embroiled in custody disputes - another explanation not supported by statistics, the ones Gardner ignores. One study found that a mere two percent of all abuse accusations stem from visitation and custody disputes. Other researchers have placed the percentage slightly higher.) As for "mass hysteria," one of the earliest promoters of this thesis was Ralph Underwager, co-author with his wife, Hollida Wakefield, of Accusations of Child Sexual Abuse. "Few physicians will wish to invest the time and money ($70) to own or even read this book," complained a reviewer for the Journal of the American Medical Association. "It is of little value to those who work with abused children except as it may be important to be aware of all points of view. The book will be doubtless be useful to attorneys defending persons accused of sexual abuse of children. It appears to have been written particularly for that audience.... The authors cite over 700 references, but they do not really review this body of literature. When a given reference fails to support their viewpoint, they simply misstate the conclusion."

Since 1974, Dr. Underwager has been the director of the Institute for Psychological Therapies in Northfield, Minnesota. He has since been frequently called upon to provide expert testimony - in the late '80s he spent 60-70 percent of his professional life shuttling between courtrooms. He is the author of numerous articles debunking the credibility of ritual abuse victims. Dr. Underwager has frequently been cited by Debbie Nathan as a leading authority on the subject. Lisa Manshel, author of Nap Time, an account of the New Jersey ritual abuse case, found that "child sexual abuse was not his field of knowledge," but "it was his field of courtroom practice. He proliferated the opinion, 'No one knows how to tell accurately whether a child's been abused' throughout the nation's courts." He has testified in most states, and by satellite in foreign countries, before at least 200 juries." Dr. Underwager once stated on the stand that he considered it "more desirable that a thousand children in abuse situations are not discovered than for one innocent person to be convicted wrongly." Dr. Underwager, a founder of the False Memory Syndrome foundation, is an ordained Lutheran minister. He believes, he once said in an interview appearing in an Amsterdam journal for pedophiles, , that sex with children is not only acceptable, but "God's will."

Q: Is choosing pedophilia for you a responsible choice for the individual?

Underwager: Certainly it is responsible. What I have been struck by as I have come to know more about and understand people who choose pedophilia is that they let themselves be too much defined by other people. That is usually an essential negative definition. Pedophiles spend a lot of time and energy defending their choice. I don't think a pedophile needs to do that.

Underwager insisted that pedophiles "should attack the concept, the image, the picture of the pedophile as an evil, wicked and reprehensible exploiter of children." Following the interview, Underwager was forced to resign as a founding member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (which is largely directed by CIA psychiatrists with backgrounds in mind control experimentation) The London Observer for December 12, 1993 reported that Dr. Underwager denied ever condoning sex with children. He added, however, that "scientific evidence" had demonstrated that "60 percent of women sexually abused as children reported that the experience was good for them. He contended the same could be true for boys involved with pedophiles..

The Descent of Mann

In a five-part series that appeared after the hung jury verdict of Ray Buckey's first trial, Los Angeles Times reporter David Shaw found that the newspaper's research files explained little of "the crucial behind-the-scenes role played by screenwriter Abby Mann." Mann's writing staff and circle of disinformationists have shaped public opinion on the McMartin case. Noel Greenwood, an L.A. Times editor, has described the wall of pro-Buckey PR thrown up by Mann and friends as "a mean, malevolent campaign conducted by people ... whose motives are highly suspect and who have behaved in a basically dishonest ... and dishonorable way." Abby Mann, an Oscar recipient for a film about the Nazi war crimes trial, Judgment at Nuremburg (an oxymoron, since there was precious little justice at Nuremburg, a carefully-managed show trial that culminated with the execution of a small clutch of Nazis, minor prison terms for some - and recruitment of thousands of others by the CIA.) From the beginning, Mann was a vociferous advocate of the McMartin defendants. "We like to think we are different from Salem," Mann sniffed at the resolution of Ray Buckey's first trial. "I don't believe that anything happened at that school."

Abby Mann has worked diligently, largely back-stage, on behalf of Buckeys. It was Mann who first interested Sixty Minutes in the McMartin case. The November 2, 1986 broadcast was decidedly biased in favor of Ray Buckey. Defense attorney Danny Davis characterized the segment as "wholly sympathetic to the defense point of view." Sixty Minutes led off with the camera panning a long couch and five of the original defendants. Mike Wallace asked: "Do these women look like child molesters?"

New York Times reporter David Hechler noted "gaping holes in the story. Why were no police or D.A.'s investigators interviewed or even mentioned? And if Ira Reiner believed the case was so weak against the five defendants, why did he wait until the five-month preliminary hearing was completed before dropping the charges? These questions were never asked." The innocence of the defendants was assumed by Wallace and crew as a foregone conclusion, and the charges against them were framed as the aberrations of nattering lunatics. Most of the Sixty Minutes segment on McMartin was taped in Abby Mann's living room. But heavily-biased media coverage was only one of the strategies quietly enacted by Abby Mann. When Deputy District Attorney Glenn Stevens was caught leaking information on the prosecution's case to Mann, he was forced to resign. No charges were brought against him. From the Los Angeles Times. Gaining the confidence of the McMartin defendants, the Manns were ultimately hired as "investigators" for the defense. That and their earlier alliance with former prosecutor Glenn Stevens sparked charges from parents of alleged child molestation victims of a conspiracy to obstruct justice for monetary gain. After Los Angeles Tmes reporter Bob Williams met Abby Mann, he wrote a flurry of memos charging the coverage of Lois Timnick, the paper's reporter on the McMartin beat, with extreme bias favoring the prosecution. The accusation was investigated by Noel Greenwood, the regional news editor at the Times. Greenwood concluded that it was Williams who'd acted with extreme bias, not Timnick. Greenwood's memoes state that Williams' memos were "reckless and irresponsible." Williams had "undermined a fellow reporter and seriously harmed the credibility and effectiveness of the Times." Williams was temporarily suspended without pay. Shortly thereafter, he went to work for Abby Mann. Williams surfaced next as a consultant to Mary Fischer, whose "A Case of Dominoes" in Los Angeles magazine drew upon the argument (first postulated by the child pornographers Paul and Shirley Eberle), that former District Attorney Robert Philobosian initiated the McMartin prosecution for political gain.

Fischer once admitted to the late Wayne Satz, the KABC television reporter who broke the McMartin story, that she wrote the article under the direction of Abby Mann. "There was never any case at all," Fischer wrote with absolute certainty. "At the very least, it is a blueprint for preying on public fears." Fischer has gone so far as to claim that therapists, parents and children attending McMartin masterminded a "conspiracy" to harass and imprison innocent people. When pressed on one occasion by Carol Hemingway, a Los Angeles talk show host, Fischer was unable to offer supporting evidence of conspiracy (as McMartin parents did), nor could she explain the motives of the conspirators. Fischer did her utmost to dismiss the medical evidence that molestation took place at the preschool. In October, 1988 the Los Angeles Times reported that medical examiners of the original 13 children scheduled to testify found "scars, tears, enlarged body openings or other evidence indicating blunt force trauma consistent with the repeated sodomy and rape they described."

One of the children bled from the anus. Some contracted venereal infections. Yet Fischer found relevant the findings of a Fresno pediatrician who refused to testify at the first McMartin trial. The 1987 study, summarized by Fischer, concluded that "any kind of irritation - not just sexual abuse - may damage children's genitals." This reader, at least, was left to ponder forms of "irritation" that might leave the McMartin children with chlamydia, confirmed by medical examinations and difficult to explain away. Fischer's follow-up McMartin story in Los Angeles for October, 1993 opined that a "hysterical tone" in press reports on McMartin was established by Wayne Satz. who died of heart failure in 1992, "causing some to speculate it was karma," wrote Fischer, an ersatz and mean-spirited elegy. "I still don't know how anyone could believe all that bull," Virginia McMartin told her. "Especially with a school as wide open as ours and people coming and going at all times. Or who could actually believe there were tunnels.. (The archeological team that led the excavation - ignored by Fischer - could have given her a guided tour.) "It shows the power of the media."

Apparently Abby Mann has a need for Ms. Fischer and the other writers in his employ. A best-selling Hollywood biographer (speaking on condition of anonymity) offers this insight into the career of Abby Mann. "He's incapable of writing scripts himself. It's true," he said, "he can't write. Abby keeps a fairly large stable of ghost writers to produce scripts in his name." Who is Abby Mann? Mae Brussell, the late Carmel-based political researcher, speculated in a November, 1987 radio broadcast that Mann is a covert operator posing as a Hollywood progressive, plying extensive media connectioins to influence public opinion. Mann's behind-the-scenes manipulations, ghosts and an exhaustive supply of funds and press contacts, support the hypothesis that Abby Mann is a media mole. Indictment, yet another disinformation effort supposedly written by Abby and Myra Mann, premiered on May 20, 1985 on HBO. The movie was produced and directed by Oliver Stone. As a political researcher, I had taken more than a passing interest in Stone's film JFK, and couldn't help but note that the media assault on Stone's bore a resemblance to Mann's campaign to discredit the McMartin children. The day after an announcement of the "secret" project already underway appeared in Variety, I contacted Stone's office and spoke with Jean Marie Burke, a researcher for Ixtlan Productions, Stone's company in Santa Monica. I informed Ms. Burke that much of the information about McMartin in the corporate media was disingenuous, beginning with the Eberles.

She brightened up. "Oh, the Eberles - I have their books right here!" She went silent when I told her that Paul and Shirley Eberle were child pornographers. I sent her a package of accurate information on the case by certified mail, then contacted her boss with a letter informing him simply that he had hold of a bad project, which had already been shot and was in the editing stage Stone wrote back, asking me to clarify. My response follows:

Mr. Stone: McMartin is poorly understood by most people because a disinformation gambit is afoot to discredit the children's¹ testimony -- a fusillade, in fact, similar to the one you were treated to after JFK. You asked me to clarify my objections. Consider how difficult it was to sort through and communicate the multitude of facts relevant to the killing of John Kennedy. And then recall how a carefully-conceived film on the assassination can be explained away with a glib "no evidence" from an Edward Epstein or Dan Rather. This is the problem I¹m up against with McMartin. There is a complex story behind the abuse -- it involves CIA mind control experiments, and this is largely what the plants in the establishment press, and fronts like the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, are concealing. (Nine out of ten psychiatrists in both the U.S. and Great Britain from large samplings believe ritual abuse to be a very real social problem. But the media inevitably talks only to the one of ten who deny, and many of those are experimental scientists on the CIA payroll.) You now find yourself on the same side (of the McMartin argument) as Alex Cockburn (you recall the knock-down-drag-out Nation debate with a leading progressive who rejects key crimes of government ((including the Kennedy assassination)) for high-toned, but ultimately silly reasons), Newsweek, etc. That alone should make you uncomfortable in the extreme. One of your researchers brightened up when I mentioned the only two books available on McMartin, both written by Paul and Shiirley Eberle. She knew those books inside out. The problem is, the Eberles published child pornography in the 1970s -- garishly packaged in an underground rag called Finger -- featuring adults having sex with children, children with excrement smeared on them, children in lewd positions and posing provocatively. This ludicrous pedophile sheet ran stories with such unsavory testimonials as "She was Only Thirteen," "What Happens when Niggers Adopt White Children," "My First Rape," and so on. Don¹t bother to read the McMartin books, if you haven¹t already. Each page is full of factual errors and conscious distortions. Your movie will perpetuate the Eberles' disinformation. But the LA Times will love it. (Buffy Chandler told a source of mine, in a moment of rage at her family, that her parents (the owners of the L.A. Times) funded weird genetic experiments years ago. This is no more bizarre than some of the things done in pre-schools around the country, and may explain the newspaper¹s change of attitude after the initial reporting.)

But Noel Greenwood, a Times editor, knew what he was talking about when he said there is a "mean-spirited campaign" in play to slant the truth about McMartin. Abby Mann is a key proponent. His attorney threatened to sue if I didn't retract my comments when an early version of my research appeared several years ago. I did not retract. In fact, the newspaper, Random Lengths in Long Beach, backed me. Others appearing in the story threatened me. They did not sue. Why not? They made such a noise. Now they are the sources of your movie, still making noise about "innocence abused," and it¹s hollow.

They contend there is no evidence that children were abused at McMartin. On the contrary, there is an abundance of evidence. But the DA had no real intention of gathering it. Neither did the press. Same as JFK, eh? The CIA connection to cults around the country began in 1963. The story was told by a Berkeley psychologist in a thesis entitled "The Penal Colony," which was presented at a psychiatric conference in San Francisco by Congressional aide Joe Holsinger after Leo Ryan was killed at Jonestown. The hybrid was conceived because people were asking questions about experiments at McGill, the University of Pennsylvania, John Hopkins, UCLA, Honeywell, NASA and other haunts of the CIA's MKULTRA mind control fraternity. Jonestown was one product of the association. Another, more recent example was the Solar Temple killings in Switzerland. The British press reported that this cult was running arms to Australia and South America, and laundering the proceeds at BCCI. The American press couldn't find this information. What does this tell you?

Buckey Sr. testified that he did not have tunnels dug beneath the preschool. Why would anyone do that? Five scientists have put their reputations on the line to confirm that there are tunnels. One, a carbon-dating specialist, discovered that the tunnels were excavated in 1968. That was the year the preschool was built. It was built by Charles Buckey. He lied on the stand. The kids gave fairly accurate descriptions of the tunnels. Did Abby?

Regards, Alex Constantine

Despite this protest, and threats of a boycott of HBO from children's advocacy groups around the country, Indictment aired anyway. The movie simply reinforces the many misconceptions the public has been force-fed since Abby Mann became involved in the case. The Most Hated Man at the L.A. Times In January, 1990, after the anti-climactic, deadlocked verdict of the second trial, the Los Angeles Tmes ran a four-part series by media critic David Shaw, trashing the paper's own coverage of the McMartin case. Shaw described press coverage of the case as a "media feeding frenzy" ranking with exposes of Gary Hart, Oliver North and Dan Quayle. "More than most big stories," Shaw explained, "McMartin at times exposed basic flaws in the way the contemporary news organizations function. Pack journalism. Laziness. Superficiality." Daily newspaper coverage, he argued, was contaminated by "cozy relationships with prosecutors," and a competitive furor "that sends reporters off in a frantic search to be the first with the latest shocking alllegation."

Shaw's McMartin series won the Times its 18th Pulitzer, but few reporters attended the champagne party thrown in his honor. "Most people don't like him," Times staffer Lee Dye told a reporter for Los Angeles magazine. "He really is disliked at the Times," said restaurant critic Ruth Reichl. Bill Boyarsky, another staffer, says "everyone around me hates him." The harshest opinion of Shaw came from the late Glenn Binford, the paper's late night editor at the city desk, who refers to Shaw as "an oily little prick." The nickname stuck. "Even the late Dial Torgerson," reported Los Angeles, "a droll, dry-witted newsman's newsman ... adopted the moniker, though it was uncharacteristic of Torgerson to disparage anyone." Reporters for the "Metro" section particularly harbor a keen disdain for David Shaw.

Why is so much animosity directed his way? Most of Shaw's colleagues at the Times feel that he receives special treatment. He is contracted to write a mere four stories a year. He moonlights as the monthly "Dining Out" columnist for GQ magazine. As the official ombudsman of the Times, one reporter complains, "Shaw plays favorites and purposefully ducks anything that may really irritate his superiors, tending instead to aim at those with no actual power."

One of his primary targets is staff writer Lois Timnick and Cathleen Decker, whose McMartin coverage was hardly "frantic" or "superficial." Shaw's depiction of them as reportorial McCarthyites is not borne out by a review of the newspaper's McMartin coverage, and the air around Times Mirror Square has, since his series appeared, been thick with acrimony. A week before Shaw received the Pultizer, Timnick (who has since stopped talking to him) threatened to organize an office "suicide party" if he won. When he did walk away with an award, the Pulitzer committee stated that it was given to Shaw not on the merits of his writing, but because the Times permitted him to criticize the paper's own coverage of a landmark trial. Shaw was born on an Air Force base in Dayton, Ohio. He was educated at Pepperdine and UCLA. His career took off when, as a reporter for the Long Beach Independent Press-Telegram, he published a scalding investigative story on Max Rafferty, the Republican opponent of Alan Cranston for a Senate seat. Shaw's five-part series killed Rafferty's political prospects with allegations of draft dodging. Shaw received an award from the Los Angeles Press Club for the story, and a job offer from the Times.

That was 18 years ago. He was informally assigned to "the sex beat." Shaw plied his investigative skills with titillating exposes of massage parlors and strip clubs. His piece on a nightspot featuring live sex with a dog threw the newsroom into turmoil - this is the same commentator who later dismissed most press coverage of McMartin as "sensational" and "superficial." Shaw defines himself publicly as a "liberal," but he frequently expresses right-wing sentiments, and his writing can be fairly summed up as propagandistic. He chose to write on McMartin, Los Angeles magazine reported, "because he needed an excuse to stay in town. 'My wife was eight months pregnant, and I was looking for a story that would keep me in L.A. so I would be here for the birth."

"Experts" on the McMartin debacle - Shaw, the Eberles, Dr. Underwager, Abby Mann, and others - have, in violation of their own admonitions, retired it in the press. Ray Buckey is supposed to be as innocent as Ceasar's wife. If so, why do Buckey's supporters ignore critical evidence? Why the statistical fabrications? Why lament repeatedly that the case took five years to try when dragging it out was a conscious defense strategy? Why ignore the tunnels and the bones? And, most troubling off all, why has so much effort been put into propagating mass deception on Buckey's behalf?

Cult and Ritual Abuse - It's History, Anthropology, and Recent Discovery in Contemporary America - Noblitt and Perskin - Prager (2000) p. 141 - 142 (1995 book - p.184 2000 book) "The McMartin Case is also the subject of the cable movie, Indictment, produced by Home Box Office. Several children's advocacy groups have expressed concerns that the film's focus appears to be slanted in favor of the accused perpetrators. The newsletter for the organization, Believe the Children, contains an impassioned plea to its readers to relinquish their subscriptions to Home Box Office (HBO) in protest of the film's airing. An article featured in the newsletter entitled "Sex Abuse, Lies and Videotape"(1995) describes the genesis of the program and voices its concerns that the true victims of the McMartin case, the children, might be damaged by the perspective of the film's author, Abby Mann. According to the article, Mann and his wife, Myra, became advocates of the operators and staff of the McMartin preschool during the course of their trial. Because of the Mann's involvement in the case and their relationship to the accused perpetrators, the article expressed the concern that the film might reflect an unbalanced portrait of accused and accusers such that roles might be reversed in the eyes of the viewing public. This has, in fact, been proven to be a correct assumption. Reviews of the cable movie featured in magazines such as Time (Bellafante, 1995) and TV Guide (McDougal, 1995) on the film's depiction of an overzealous prosecuting attorney, a mentally unbalanced parent of a child victim, and a punitive therapist all lend themselves to the perpetuation of the ideas that the true victims are the alleged perpetrators. Ironically, this film also casts the media in an unfavorable light implying that the media's over-the-top reporting of the event led to a veritable witch hunt."

"The movie "The Indictment," produced for Home Box Office, about the McMartin trial, was criticized by several children's advocacy groups for being slanted in favor of the accused perpetrators. According to an article featured in the newsletter "Sex Abuse, Lies and Videotape," (1995) the film's author Abby Mann and his wife Myra became advocates of the operators and staff of the McMartin preschool during the McMartin trial. The article expressed the concern that the film might reflect an unbalanced portrait of accused and accusers such that roles might be reversed in the eyes of the viewing public. This has been proven to be a correct assumption."

hunkahunka

23-09-2009, 06:30 PM

Fran’s Day Care

Fran’s Day Care
Randy Noblitt, PhD

©Copyright R. Noblitt 2009. All rights reserved.

In recent days, an interest in the case of Fran and Dan Keller has reemerged and that reemergence has triggered new interest in the outcries of children that resulted in several investigations, trials, convictions, and tragedies throughout the 1990s. I can speak about Fran’s Day Care with some authority.

In 1992, the Travis County prosecutor’s office contacted me for advice as to how they should proceed with a bizarre case involving multiple child victims of sexual and ritual abuse in a day care. The accused perpetrators were the owners-operators of the nursery, Fran and Dan Keller. The day care was situated in a remote area beyond the suburbs of Austin, Texas. At this time, the legal community was reeling from the McMartin Day Care ordeal which was the costliest prosecution in California history up to that time, and had resulted in two hung juries in a seven-year prosecution. The prosecution, wishing to learn from the mistakes of McMartin, wanted advice regarding how to proceed without contaminating the children’s stories, compromising the alleged perpetrators’ rights, and getting to the truth of the children’s outcries.

Some of the parents whose children attended the preschool became suspicious when their children returned home wearing underwear not their own, or with their clothes inside out or with their hair wet. There were always reasonable explanations: the child had an accident and was changed into clothes on hand for that purpose; or the child splashed water on herself when the children were cleaning up; and so forth. However, when one of the children made an outcry, the parents more closely scrutinized the strange behaviors some of the children had started engaging in and the aforementioned episodes, and they took their concerns to the police. The police took the concerns seriously and collected statements and evidence. The grand jury found a basis for indictment. The Kellers responded to the warrant for their arrest by fleeing the state in disguise, obtaining false identifications in their new personas, and attempting to leave the country. They were apprehended in Las Vegas, Nevada and extradited back to Travis County.

It was at this point that I was introduced to the situation. I was in private practice in Dallas, two hundred miles north of Austin and had no knowledge of what was happening at Fran’s Day Care. The prosecutor, Judy Shipway, contacted me for advice on how to deal with the children, their stories, their parents’ reactions, and the impact of ritual abuse allegations on the court. I advised her to focus on the sexual abuse allegations for which there was substantial support and evidence. I expressed my opinion that introducing the topic of ritual abuse would be exploited by the defense as a means of discrediting the children. I also advised Ms. Shipway to make sure that every child had a therapist and that no therapist treat more than one child from Fran’s Day Care. Finally, I advised the prosecutor to request that the children’s parents not communicate with one another until after the trial to avoid inadvertent contamination of their children’s stories and their own interpretations. These suggestions were all implemented.

I was also invited to review the evidence which included drawings and writings produced by Danny Keller; the confession of co-defendant Doug Perry; the testimony of the children. I was able to describe for the prosecution the kinds of abuses ritually practiced by various groups and individuals and explain the psychological consequences of such abuse. I was able to interpret for the prosecutor the children’s stories in the context of what had been learned from other victims including the use of coercion, duplicity, threats, and other means of controlling survivors of such abuse.

Although several children at the day care were thought to have been sexually and ritually traumatized, some of them were so young that they did not yet speak in complete sentences. Some of them were identified by other victims. Three of the children were selected to represent the whole population. These were slightly older children, five and six years old, and they were able to convey their stories most articulately of all the child victims.

As the trial commenced, the prosecution developed an excellent case against the Kellers. I was surprised only by the defense attorneys’ rather blasé approach to their defense of the Kellers, perhaps operating under the assumption that the children would not be believed. In defense of the Kellers, their attorneys did raise the specter of ritual abuse by introducing into evidence the book Sex Abuse Hysteria: The Salem Witch Trials Revisited (Gardner, 1991), which promoted the idea that sexual and ritual abuse allegations by children were projections of their parents (and other adults’) latent pedophilia. It was at this point that I was asked to take the stand as an expert witness and address the topic of ritual abuse and Gardner’s book.

The case ended with the conviction of the Kellers and their sentencing to 48 years in prison each. They are in prison still, any efforts for appeal having failed to date. Shortly after the trial, the magazine, Texas Monthly, published a piece by Gary Cartwright in which he implied that the Kellers were the true victims in this sorry tale. He did me the courtesy of a call to “fact check” his story, particularly ideas attributed to me, except that it was only after the issue had been published.

Recently, the Fran’s Day Care case was dredged up by the Austin Chronicle, an alternative periodical produced locally in Texas. My son sent me the link in an email with the heading, “Dad, you’re in the news again.” Once more, the perspective was one of advocacy for falsely accused, persecuted, prosecuted, and convicted victims of a malicious or inept legal system that places too much trust in the stories children tell. A particular flaw in this story was the story. It was certainly not founded on anything I witnessed during my participation in the case. Evidence was not withheld from the prosecution to my knowledge. The defense was left flat-footed by their own conviction that the children would not be believed. And the advice I offered may have helped to prevent influence or contamination of the children’s testimony. The children’s stories were credible – Fran and Dan Keller’s defense was not. End of story? Probably not. I doubt that we have heard the last of Fran and Dan or of their day care or of their victims.

Interestingly enough, the Austin Chronicle article, Believing the Children, ended with a reference to one of the child victims, Veejay Staelin, a now 21-year old. Although he declined to be interviewed for the story, he re-asserted that he had been abused by Fran and Dan Keller.

emerald

23-09-2009, 09:17 PM

:eek::eek::eek: MADE IN LAUREL CANYON...

http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/2009/09/22/mackenzie-phillips-had-sex-with-her-dad/

hunkahunka

24-09-2009, 06:49 PM

this is sort of intriguing. Daniel Horowitz was a frequent media commentator on the Laci Peterson murder , and often appeared appeared sympathetic to the defense of Scott Peterson, who maintained all along that his pregnant wife had been killed by a satanic cult. Considering the region that this transpired in (San Francisco/Sacramento), maybe it is not so far-fetched today as it may have sounded back in 2004 (his wife was eight months pregnant when she was murdered)
what catches the eye is that Daniel Horowitz' wife was then murdered by a satanic goth in 2005

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kE6zZCqwmo&NR=1

http://raumfahrer.wordpress.com/manson/
Fox News Report from Oct. 22nd, 2005 on satanic ritualistic Murder of David Horowitz's wife by a Scott Dyleski, a member of Goth cult, who was a satanist and Marilyn Manson fan.

hunkahunka

26-09-2009, 12:29 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=8EB9A6718833E339&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL

hunkahunka

26-09-2009, 08:58 PM

btw, eight months pregnant Laci Peterson was reported missing Christmas Eve.

quote:

In Lone Defense of Scott Peterson

by Jen Shroder
12/13/04 permission to repost already granted

I don’t get it. My favorite columnists are writing volumes to hang Scott Peterson. Crowds at the courthouse are being compared to lynch mobs. Peterson is being compared to Hitler, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and a hit list of gruesome ax murdering child molesters. But the columnists forgot one thing, where’s the evidence?

The news media has laughed a little too hard at the possibility of a satanic cult. If you do the research, there are THOUSANDS of unrecovered missing women and children in California that the media ignores. There ARE childhood survivors of satanic cults who have testified to graphic descriptions of siblings being tortured to death. Recently in Italy, two teenage members of a heavy metal rock band called the "Beasts of Satan" were killed by other band members in a human sacrifice involving black candles, goats’ skulls and sexual violence. In Houston, Texas, a police officer gave school children satanic sex calendars featuring explicit details on satanic and sexual rituals for every day of the month.

In 1988 Geraldo Rivera received heavy criticism and pressure for reporting on Satan’s Underground, creating a Satanic panic. His reports included butchered infants, breeding of babies for later sacrifice during Satanic rituals, ritual sexual abuse of children, mutilation of infants, drinking of blood, dismembered corpses, cannibal cults and sex orgies. There were "gruesome rituals," and "gruesome memories," and "gruesome allegations," and "brutally violent, horrible crimes," and acts "so incredibly outrageous, so incredibly unbelievable," that he was reluctant to describe them. "The most gruesome scenes are left out," said Rivera, "Estimates are that there are over 1 million Satanists in this country...The majority of them are linked in a highly organized, very secretive network. From small towns to large cities, they have attracted police and FBI attention to their Satanic ritual child abuse, child pornography and grisly Satanic murders. The odds are that this is happening in your town."

Laci’s hometown has a satanic group called, "The Order of the Lion" where it was last reported to have 20 to 30 members. Near the time of Laci’s kidnapping, a brown van "adorned with satanic symbols" was sited near the Peterson home and some witnesses "recalled a group of suspicious men, one sporting a 666 tattoo, in the area."

In relation to "The Order of the Lion’s" previous crimes, Modesto attorney William Arthur Miller said he recalled a member saying that the "sacrifice of a newborn baby was the 'cleaningest' thing you could do. I took that to mean to 'most cleansing,'" Miller said. A review of some of the writings revealed references to altars, witchcraft, blood-letting curses, dining with the dead, pentagrams, demons, goats, visions, secret oaths and "the father of darkness."

On the eastern edge of the San Francisco Bay near where the bodies of Laci and Connor washed up, huge paintings on sheets of plywood depict scenes of fire-breathing devils and ax-wielding grim reapers. One painting shows a man and woman in a canoe, with what appears to be three floating babies nearby, intertwined with an umbilical cord.

San Diego therapist Mary Battles said she remains convinced that ritual killings and abuse go on throughout the country. "Where you'll find the evidence is in the men and women who went through it and have scars on their bodies," said Battles. She said she has treated 50 people who were victims of satanic cults and, "I still get a steady stream of them."

Anyone who has studied satanism knows there is a fascination with the innocence of infants. I knew a woman who witnessed her younger brother dangling from his feet being tortured to death. She was in long term therapy and had a difficult time dealing with life after growing up in a Satanist family. San Francisco, where Laci and Conner washed up, has an exploding populace of Satanists and is the founding home of the Church of Satan.

Missing and abducted women and children are far more prevalent than realized. According to 2003 government statistics, in California alone, 10,684 adults have gone missing, never recovered. Another 346 missing are ominously listed as "deceased." 4,815 children have gone missing under "Unknown Circumstances" - when circumstances surrounding the disappearance are unknown. 545 children disappeared under suspicious circumstances that may indicate a stranger abduction, and in 51 cases the stranger abduction was witnessed. Nationwide 58,200 children were abducted by nonfamily members.

Scott Peterson is clearly a first-class heel but I believe the witch-hunt upon him is exactly that, a lynch-mob inspired by witches out to avert the attention on the growing satanist population and the rituals that DO happen. How hard would it be for a murderer to dig up the bodies and dump them where everyone was looking for them, to convict Peterson? I also wonder what has motivated Rivera, who previously apologized to satanists for his coverage of them, to lead the witch hunt, with Rita Cosby salivating at his side. When Laci first disappeared, they trashed Scott for not speaking to the media. When he DID speak to the media, they endlessly dissected and speculated about everything he said. When he stopped speaking to the media, Cosby went into a froth insisting he had something to hide. If I was Scott Peterson, I would have hid from the media as well, especially Cosby and Rivera, who even resorted to name-calling.

Though Fox News is my favorite news source, there are serious moments of doubt that I’m sure every conservative has experienced. This shark frenzy screaming for the death and torment of Peterson is macabre. I hope every married man thinks twice about cheating on their wives. You never know where you might wind up for talking trash to your girlfriend, perhaps in a jail cell on death row next to Peterson with the nation screaming for your execution. It’s as frightening a scene as Fatal Attraction with a twist, the adorable wife didn’t survive. Glenn Close played the blonde hussy desperate for attention. Sound familiar?

hunkahunka

26-09-2009, 09:57 PM

I like this writer's style

quote:

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Neo-Nazis Target Scott

Is this mainstream news?

What kind of a conspiracy theorist to you have to be, to suggest that Scott Peterson murdered his pregnant wife the day before numerous, reliable witnesses saw her walking her dog?

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of tunnel vision, where the name of the game is to win at all cost. Unfortunately, the consequence of this game is that innocent people are wrongfully accused and convicted, and the people who are pointing the finger have earned the right to be the butt of every joke.

Pundits like Nancy Grace are not above claiming that Scott's boat is too little for sturgeon fishing, but it's big enough to contain a body, tarps, anchors, cement blocks, and even a 55 gallon drum filled with cement. A scent dog who 'indicated' to it's handler that Laci was taken in a car is believed without question but numerous scent dogs who tracked Laci down Covena Street to Yosemite street and along Yosemite street to Maze boulevard are not considered credible. The list goes on and on and on...

The biggest joke of this entire charade is that the police can find a single hair on a pair of pliers but they cannot find an entire head of hair. Listen to Nancy Grace gloat about the hair: "And this hair, not only do I think it will be traced back in one in millions to Laci Peterson, but the context in which it was found allegedly is what is so important about this hair. It allegedly is found in a pair of pliers on Scott Peterson's boat. Important? Laci had never been on the boat! The virgin voyage of the boat was the day Laci went missing, and on this boat turns up her hair." The fact that Scott was repeatedly witnessed on his boat ALONE does not appear to matter to Nancy Grace, indicating that the hair was deliberately planted to make it appear as if Laci had not been kidnapped, as Scott Peterson suggests.

The bizarre, Laci Peterson "investigation" has been routinely ridiculed by competent, intelligent investigators like David Sween, because there is absolutely no rhyme nor reason to their bizarre procedures. For example, hunting for clues in murky, silt-filled shallow waters is a subject of intense speculation because the divers and Modesto police were not talking on the record. Why not? What were they looking for? Were they looking for Laci's head or for the anchors that were pictured in the National Enquirer? Indeed, silence is prudent because it is not possible to explain the intense, focused hunt in the 12-foot water where the visibility was nearly zero meaning they had to search the muddy bottom by hand. Under these circumstances, the divers were more likely to find a chest full of gold coins rather than evidence which is related to the murder of Laci Peterson. Needless to say, what is being created is the appearance of a search, and if anything of evidentiary value is found, it will be because it has been placed in front of the diver's noses to be found or because the police are going to make another mysterious, unexplained discovery, like the so called pliers with the hair, that were supposedly found in Scott's boat. The fact is, the search for evidence is not a blindfolded hunt for a needle in a haystack, and the comical ineptitude of this "hunt for evidence" proves that the effort to link Scott Peterson to the murder of his wife is absolutely grotesque and disgusting. Reality check; Laci was spotted walking her dog a day after Scott Peterson supposedly murdered her. The dog Mackenzie, was not another dog, and the lady that was spotted, was not another pregnant lady because Laci's dog is the only one in the neighborhood, that returned home, without its pregnant master.

These periodic hunts for the needle in the haystack have reemerged, and now, the police have a new excuse for not telling us what they are looking for --a gag order has been issued. But they are so predictable that people who discuss the case on message boards have already figured it out.

The name of the game is to create the impression that Scott murdered his wife the day before she was witnessed walking her dog, and on that, we can all rely

The initial plot to that effect involved a trucker who allegedly saw Scott transporting Laci's corpse on December 23, 2003. The trucker told his story on a radio talk show and it is was heard by many people in California. He was said to have been told by law enforcement not to talk to anyone else, but that didn't stop him from getting his story out through the local KFBK Sacramento radio station. The reporter stated a truck and trailer with a boat resembling the one belonging to Scott Peterson cut him off while he was driving on 99 south, towards Fresno (kind of between Laci's home and his girlfriend's home. The truck driver said he drove along side Scott's truck for a long period of time, close to 80 miles. He went on to say he observed a women in the passenger side of the truck with her left shoulder slumped down, her head was hanging down with her hair covering her face. This women never moved for the 80 miles that he observed. He reported info to the police immediately following Laci's disappearance and was asked not to speak -- according to KFBK Sacramento radio station's broadcast!

This bizarre story was published in the National Enquirer on May 20, 2003, and it is too stupid to take seriously, unless one entertains the fact that the people who murdered Laci Peterson are desperately looking for a way to blame Scott. One can also assume that this trucker was the witness that the DA was planning to produce to justify Scott's arrest. After all, everything is routinely leaked, to turn the public against Scott, and if there was another witness we would have heard of him or her, by now.

Clearly, despite the gag order, we are still discovering everything there is to leak about the bizarre murder of Laci Peterson, and the latest story is even funnier than the trucker witness. It is difficult to make this up, so a direct quote from the media should convince the doubting reader, that the fodder of this report is authentic:

FRESNO, Calif., Sept. 20 (UPI) -- A Fresno County Jail inmate claims accused killer Scott Peterson plotted with Neo-nazis against his pregnant wife about a month before she disappeared.

Cory Lee Carroll passed a polygraph test and met this week with investigators in the Laci Peterson case, his attorney told the Fresno Bee.

Officials directly associated with the case refused to comment on the claims, citing a gag order imposed by the court.

This is certainly a new twist to the old standard gimmick --the jailhouse snitch --it's the sophisticated version here. Needless to say, the plot to frame Scott Peterson is not your regular, run-of-the-mill operation --this is bigtime. What we have here is a career criminal who is being cultivated to replace the trucker witness who failed to deliver the goods. The polygraph test is a nice touch, but it's not washing. When the police, forensic experts and crown prosecutors are so confident that they built their case backwards, manipulating and creating evidence to prove the guilt of a suspect, they pervert justice when the target is innocent.

Attorney Frank Muna told ABCNEWS' Good Morning America his client, Cory Lee Carroll, a convicted forger, thief and parole violator, told him the story about Peterson while submitting to a lie detector test administered by Muna's private investigator. Muna said he called authorities after Carroll passed the test while giving the account. Modesto Police have not commented on Carroll's story, citing a gag order in the case. This is bigtime. A Neo-Nazi gang kidnapped and murdered Laci Peterson, even though the prosecution repeatedly insists that Scott Peterson murdered Laci on the 23rd or the 24th of December.

Somebody is working awfully hard, to create the false impression that Scott Peterson is responsible for the disappearance of his wife. The only problem is, a murder is not solved by working hard. It is solved by acknowledging credible evidence and by exposing the gimmicks that conspire to cover up the truth.
If you believe the claim of a Fresno County Jail inmate who says that accused murderer Scott Peterson broached the idea of kidnapping his wife while meeting with two members of a Neo-Nazi gang about a month before a pregnant Laci Peterson disappeared, you need help. Why was Cory Lee Carroll, interviewed in jail by investigators from the Modesto Police Department and the Stanislaus County District Attorney's Office? Why have police divers returned to the bay, to fish for clues? This message posted on one of the boards that discuss the murder of Laci Peterson, has answered the question very nicely:

Jailhouse snitches have been fed information "only the killers would know" and police divers are still looking for a way to pervert justice. This is in the media on September 20, 2003:

"On Friday, divers from the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Department searched the waters of the east San Francisco Bay for additional evidence in the Laci Peterson murder case. The divers concentrated their efforts in the area of Point Isabella, near Richmond. However, investigators would not say what they were seeking."

If the police want to solve the murder all they have to do is arrest the creeps who are planting all the evidence. It's very simple --DUH ! ! !

By the way, are the MORONS looking for Laci's head, or are they just interested in leads that manufacture the cause of death?

Ordinary people get it. Why doesn't the DA?

Where did these ridiculous, exhaustively developed stories about a Neo-Nazi gang come from? Isn't it obvious? On June 26, 2003, prosecutors said that witnesses were not available for a preliminary inquiry that had been scheduled for next month. Isn't that a strange, indefinite referral? Why don't we all just wait until the DA finds somebody who is prepared to lie. No doubt, if all else fails, we can always rely upon the ability of putting the squeeze on desperate, jailhouse inmates who will do or say absolutely anything to make a deal.

I have an idea. Why don't we pick you up, whoever it is that is reading this right now, throw you in jail and keep you there until we find a jailhouse snitch who is willing to call you a murderer. How would YOU like that?

This idiotic prosecution has more theories about how Laci was murdered than you can possibly imagine. It was a hard kill, then it was a date-rape drug-induced, soft kill and now, it was a planned kidnapping? Are these people nuts? They refused to believe that Laci was kidnapped until a bunch of Neo-Nazis told them so? If you think the satanic cult killing theory was mad, this is absolute lunacy. This investigation is a total fiasco and there is ABSOLUTELY NO excuse for the fact that Laci's husband is in jail because Scott Peterson is clearly the one and only person who had the most to lose from the fact that his pregnant wife was kidnapped and murdered. What happened to the stupid theory that Scott murdered his own unborn child because he wanted to be married to a single mom with a child that was not even his own? Are these MORONS who are essentially framing Scott Peterson, real prosecutors?

Needless to say, these prosecutors are either extremely corrupt or too ignorant to take seriously. They don't even have enough evidence to hold Scott so they stall for time, to give them the opportunity figure it out. Why do you think they delayed the preliminary hearing, in the first place?

According to Ted Rowlands, Scott Peterson was upset over the fact that the Prosecutor delayed his preliminary inquiry. In his own words:

Probably the most surprising thing is that Scott Peterson actually spoke out today in court and seemed to be upset when he was asked if he was willing to waive time. He said, "Yes, I'll waive time," begrudgingly, in effect, and he sort of pointed at the prosecution, he said, "because they're not giving us the evidence," they've pushed back the preliminary hearing. It was to be July 15. It will now take place on September 9. That has been expected. But it seemed like Peterson was generally upset about it and wanted to say something in open court.

The prosecutors said that witnesses were not available for the preliminary inquiry, and now, it appears, they meant that witnesses had not been successfully cultivated because the trucker was not credible. They are currently testing the credibility of Neo-Nazis who claim that Scott Peterson is responsible for kidnapping his own wife.

It is popular to assert that the sneaky, Mark Geragos deferred the preliminary hearing because delays benefit the defense, but that is a load of crap. In open court, the defense team said, "We still aren't getting evidence from the prosecution that they have a responsibility to turn over to us" and Rick Distaso, the assistant DA, said "listen, we're having trouble getting some of that information over to the defense. So it is still going on, this discovery problem, the slow discovery making its way to the defense." Needless to say, discovery hasn't even reached the prosecution yet, because they are still looking for a needle in the haystack through the eyes of Neo-Nazis.

As long as the prosecution withholds discovery evidence [because they have nothing credible] they indefinitely postpone the preliminary inquiry, and it will be interesting to see how much time they are going to waste trying to cultivate a witness who is credible. Scott Peterson, who has repeatedly and emphatically indicated that he had absolutely nothing to do with the disappearance of his wife, is the only credible witness to date.

Mark Geragos is routinely ridiculed for investigating the satanic cult angle of the murder of Laci Peterson, but he did not make up the claim that a satanic cult was potentially involved. To be sure, a satanic cult was probably not involved, but Mark Geragos gathered the information from a report that he was given by the Modesto prosecutors, and if anybody is to blame for failing to bring Laci's murderers to justice, it is ignorant prosecutors who are blaming the man who is, under the circumstances, the least plausible suspect.

Defense Attorney, Christopher Pixley put it best, when he said; "But at this point, what's more logical, that Scott Peterson murdered his wife without leaving a trace of evidence, no blood or DNA anywhere, removed her head and her limbs from her body, potentially excised the baby from the womb, or that some deranged psychopath snatched her in a park and did it? I think there comes a point in time where it is more likely that someone else committed this crime, whether it's a satanic cult or just some crazed transient, than Scott Peterson himself." Christopher Pixley did not solve the murder, but neither did he make it impossible to do so, by blaming an innocent man.

The chances that the police will find some desperate, jailhouse inmate who tells them what they should be looking for, in the bay where Scott Peterson allegedly dumped his wife is absolutely zero. The chance that the police will find what somebody deliberately plants in front of their noses is excellent. So why are the police still combing the bay for clues?

On May 5, 2003, Nancy Grace said, "the worst thing that could happen to the defense is for the state to finally find anchors, if they exist at the bottom of the bay, through the use of a very interesting technique called side scan sonar. If those anchors are found and linked back to Scott Peterson, it is over." Are the police looking for anchors, because the Nazis claim that Nancy Grace is a good prosecutor? What a huge joke this would be, if the murder of Laci and Conner was not so tragic. Remarkably, the killers planted Laci and Conner to implicate Scott Peterson and Nancy Grace thinks that finding an anchor is more important than the fact that the killers produced a decapitated body. In other words, an anchor that resides in the imagination of an idiotic conspiracy theory is more important than Laci Peterson's missing head. If that is what Nancy Grace in fact believes, then she is too stupid to take seriously. If she is intelligent, she is deliberately covering up the truth about the murder of Laci Peterson.

At this point in time, when a desperate, career criminal claims that Scott Peterson discussed the kidnapping of his wife with members of a prison gang, he is doing it at the behest of the people who are trying to cover up the truth about the murder of Laci Peterson. And if Modesto police investigators, who recently returned to the San Francisco Bay Area with Police divers who searched the bay and visited the Richmond marina, are not trying to frame Scott Peterson, they should begin to arrest all the people who are.

The current, Neo-Nazi effort to set Scott Peterson up is reminiscent of the campaign to suggest that the trucker witness was credible. Indeed, according to the nonsense that Nancy Grace broadcasts, the trucker was a viable witness because he identified the word 'Gamefisher' on Scott's boat, before it became public knowledge, and that was supposed to be his lie-detector test. Instead, it is just another part of the overzealous effort to create the false impression that Scott murdered Laci. [September 23, 2003]

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hunkahunka

27-09-2009, 06:54 PM

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Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation
Part XV
June 6, 2009

The Byrds were the very first folk-rock band to take flight, and the one that achieved the greatest fame, but to many discerning ears, Laurel Canyon’s other folk-rock powerhouse, the Buffalo Springfield, was the more talented band.

In the literature chronicling the 1960s music scene, few stories are repeated more frequently than the legend surrounding the formation of what would later be regarded as perhaps the first ‘supergroup.’ All such accounts unquestioningly retell the story as though it were the gospel truth, seemingly oblivious to the improbability of virtually every aspect of the legend. And curiously, virtually every version of the story contains some form of the word “serendipity,” as though everyone has been copying off the same kid’s homework.

As the story goes, Stephen Stills and Richie Furay, formerly of the Au Go-Go Singers, had recently transplanted themselves to Los Angeles after the breakup of the manufactured folkie group. Stills had been the first to relocate, in August of 1965. Furay flew out to join him in February 1966, after spending a little time working at defense giant Pratt & Whitney, and the two set their sights on putting together a folk-rock band.

Meanwhile, up in Toronto, Neil Young and Bruce Palmer were playing in a band known as the Mynah Birds – a band fronted by an AWOL Navy man known as Ricky James Matthews, who would later morph into funkmeister/torturer/rapist Rick James, but whose real name was James Ambrose Johnson, Jr.. The Mynah Birds broke up in March of 1965, just after authorities came calling on Matthews and tossed him in the Brooklyn Brig. Now in search of a new band, Young made the curious decision to head out to LA, for no better reason than that he had what Palmer described as “a hunch, a feeling that … Stephen Stills was in LA.”

Of course, Young had no clue if Stills was in fact there, nor did he know anyone else in LA. And you would think that he would have realized that, even if Stills was there, there was virtually no chance of finding some random person in a city of millions, especially when the person doing the searching had no idea how to get around the city. But no matter. Neil had a calling, so he jumped into an old hearse, of all things, recruited Palmer to ride shotgun, and the two set off on the lengthy trek to Los Angeles.

They arrived, the legend tells us, on April 1, 1966 – April Fool’s Day, appropriately enough – and began the search for Stills. Several days of searching yielded no results, however, and on the afternoon of April 6, the frustrated pair decided to head off to San Francisco in the hopes that maybe they would have better luck finding Stephen there. Perhaps they were going to go on a tour of all the big cities in America, in the hopes that somewhere along the way they might find Stephen Stills.

But as fate would have it, just as they were about to head out of town, Stephen Stills found them. As Barney Hoskyns tells the story in his Hotel California, “Early in April 1966, Stills and Richie Furay were stuck in a Sunset Strip traffic jam in Barry Friedman’s Bentley. As they sat in the car, Stephen spotted a 1953 Pontiac hearse with Ontario plates on the other side of the street. ‘I’ll be damned if that ain’t Neil Young,’ Stills said. Friedman executed an illegal U-turn and pulled up behind the hearse. One of rock’s great serendipities had just occurred. Young, a lanky Canadian, had just driven all the way from Detroit in the company of bassist Bruce Palmer. They’d caught the bug that was drawing hundreds of other pop wannabes to the West Coast.”

The pair had actually driven out from Toronto, not Detroit, and the hearse was a 1959 model by most accounts, and Stills and Furay were in a van rather than a Bentley, but such inconsistencies are typical of all Hollywood legends. In any event, John Einarson, in For What It’s Worth, supplies a somewhat longer, and more hyperbole-filled, version of the legend: “What transpired next is no longer considered simply a chance encounter. Transcending mere fact, the events of the next few minutes have taken on mythic proportions to become, in the annals of popular culture, legendary. More than pure luck, coincidence or serendipity, at that very moment the planets aligned, stars crossed, everyone’s karma turned positive, divine intervention interceded, the hand of fate revealed itself – whatever you subscribe to in order to explain the unexplained. Though each of the five participants in that moment in time tell it slightly differently, the fact remains that the occupants of the white van, individually or collectively, depending on who’s retelling it, noticed the black hearse with the foreign plate heading the other direction. Once the light of recognition came on, the van hastily pulled an illegal, and likely difficult in rush hour, U-turn, maneuvering its way through the line of northbound cars, horn honking frantically all the while, to pull up behind the hearse. One of the passengers leapt out, ran up and pounded on the driver’s side window of the strange vehicle, yelling to the startled travelers inside who had taken no notice of the blaring car horn directly behind them. ‘Hey Neil, it’s me, Steve Stills! Pull over, man!’ The drivers of the two vehicles managed to find curb space or a vacant store parking lot, again depending on whose version is being related, and the five piled out to embrace and introduce one another … On April 6, 1966, in that late afternoon line of traffic, the course of popular music was altered forever.”

Anyone who actually lives and drives in LA likely knows that “difficult” is not really the word to describe the feasibility of making an impromptu U-turn in rush hour traffic on the Sunset Strip; the correct word would be “impossible,” which is the same word that accurately describes the likelihood of that van “maneuvering its way through the line of northbound cars,” or of it finding “curb space” on Sunset Boulevard. But let’s just play along and assume that Neil Young and Stephen Stills, each of whom, for some reason, had been dreaming about forming a band with the other, had a random, chance encounter on Sunset Boulevard. In that brief moment in time, a band was formed – or at least 4/5 of a band.

Retiring to the home of Barry Friedman, who would later legally change his name to Frazier Mohawk, the quartet of musicians quickly decided that their newly-formed band would only perform original material. With no less than three singer/songwriter/guitarists on board (Furay, Young and Stills), along with a bass player (Bruce Palmer), all that was needed was a drummer. Three days later, on April 9, 1966, they acquired one, in the form of Dewey Martin, formerly with the Dillards.

The Dillards, as it turns out, had just decided to go back to their acoustic bluegrass roots, so they no longer needed a drummer. They also apparently had no further need for a whole bunch of new electric instruments and stacks of amplifiers, so Dewey, according to legend, brought all of that with him. Because the Dillards, you know, were just going to throw it all away anyway. So now, with the stars all properly aligned, the band was not only complete but they each had shiny new electric instruments to play – and it all had magically come together in just 72 hours.

There was still much work to be done, of course. For one thing, they all had to learn to play those shiny new electric instruments. And they all had to learn to play together as a band. And they had to build up a repertoire of original songs. And they had to rehearse and polish those songs. But not to worry; they had, as we’ll see, at least a couple of hours to work on each of those things.

Unlike, say, the Byrds, the members of the Buffalo Springfield were, by all accounts, talented musicians from the outset. Stills and Young were both skilled lead guitarists and songwriters, though Young’s vocals were, to be sure, an acquired taste. Furay was an accomplished rhythm guitarist and songwriter, as well as being the group’s best lead vocalist. Bruce Palmer was a respected bass player who, shockingly, actually had experience playing the instrument. And Dewey Martin, several years older than the rest of the crew, had drummed for such rock and country legends as the Everly Brothers, Charlie Rich, Roy Orbison, Patsy Cline, and Carl Perkins.

None of that, however, explains the absurdly meteoric rise of the Buffalo Springfield. On April 11, 1966, just five days after the quartet had purportedly first met, and just two days after they had added a drummer and instruments, the band played its first club date at one of Hollywood’s most prestigious venues: the Troubadour. Four days later, on April 15, they played the first of six dates around the southland opening for the hottest band on the Strip: the Byrds. That mini-tour was followed almost immediately by a six-week stand at the hottest club on the Strip, the Whisky. That gig wrapped up on June 20, 1966.

A month later, on July 25, the band landed the opening slot on the most anticipated concert of the year – the Rolling Stones show at the Hollywood Bowl, sponsored by local radio station KHJ. The station, by the way, had just been launched the previous year, in May of 1965, just a few weeks after the Byrds had taken the world by storm with the release of Mr. Tambourine Man and sparked a folk-rock revolution. Just as new clubs had magically appeared along the Sunset Strip in anticipation of the about-to-explode music scene, so too did a radio station magically appear to promote those new clubs and the artists filling them. Such things tend to happen, as we know, rather, uhmm, serendipitously.

Three days after the Stones concert at the Bowl, Buffalo Springfield released its first single, the Neil Young-penned Nowadays Clancy Can’t Even Sing, which failed to connect with the record-buying public. Several months later, the band would release what was to be its only hit single, and what would become the most recognizable ‘protest’ song of the 1960s. But before we get to that, let’s start back at the beginning … actually, let’s veer off on a tangent first, and then start back at the beginning.

As was duly noted in the last installment of this series, the law enforcement community had ample opportunity to silence the muses of the 1960s counterculture. That the state consistently chose not to utilize that power says much about the legitimacy of that counterculture. For if these iconic figures posed a demonstrable threat to the status quo, then why would they not have been silenced? Why, for example, were three members of the Buffalo Springfield – Neil Young, Richie Furay and Jim Messina, along with Eric Clapton, Furay’s wife, the band’s road manager, and nine others – arrested in a drug bust at a Topanga Canyon home, only to then walk away as if nothing had happened? Why was this case, and so many others like it, not aggressively prosecuted?

The state had other means to silence young critics, of course, one of the best being the military draft. As Richie Unterberger noted in Turn! Turn! Turn!, “Most folk rockers (if they were male), like their audience, were of draft age.” But curiously enough, “Very, very few had their careers interrupted by the draft.” Actually, Unterberger appears to just be playing it safe with the “very, very few” wording; after reading through both of Unterberger’s books and numerous other tomes covering similar ground, I have yet to read about any folk rocker whose career was affected by the draft in the 1960s.

What you will find in the literature are numerous mentions of various people receiving their draft notices, but those are invariably followed by amusing anecdotes about how said people beat the draft board by pretending to be gay or crazy. Of course, if it were really that easy to fool the draft board, then Uncle Sam probably wouldn’t have been able to come up with all those bodies to send over to Vietnam.

Hundreds of thousands of young men from all across the country were swept up and fed into the war machine, but not one of the musical icons of the Woodstock generation was among them. How could that be? Should we just consider that to be another one of those great serendipities? Was it mere luck that kept all the Laurel Canyon stars out of jail and out of the military during the turbulent decade that was the 1960s?

Not likely. The reality is that ‘The Establishment,’ as it was known in those days, had the power to prevent the musical icons of the 1960s from ever becoming the megastars that they became. The state, aka corporate America, could quite easily have prevented the entire countercultural movement from ever really getting off the ground – because then, as now, the state controlled the channels of communication.

A real grass-roots cultural revolution would probably have involved a bunch of starving musicians barely scratching out a living playing tiny coffee shops in the hopes of maybe someday landing a record deal with some tiny, local independent label and then, just maybe, if they got really lucky, getting a little airplay on some obscure college radio stations. But that’s not how the ‘60s folk-rock ‘revolution’ played out. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

As Unterberger duly notes in his expansive, two-volume review of the folk-rock movement, “much folk-rock was recorded and issued by huge corporations, and broadcast over radio and television stations owned for the most part by the same or similar pillars of the establishment.” Right from the start, in fact, it was the largest record labels leading the folk-rock charge. The very first of the folk-rock bands, the Byrds, signed with Columbia Records – whose name, in case you were wondering, is derived from a little place known as the District of Columbia, where the label was founded and headquartered some 120 years ago.

Laurel Canyon’s other folk-rock powerhouse, the Buffalo Springfield – the band that was supposed to be as big as the Byrds and the Beatles and the Beach Boys – signed with Atlantic Records. Atlantic had been founded in 1947 by Ahmet Ertegun and dentist/investor Herb Abramson. Born in Istanbul, Turkey in 1923, the year the Turk Republic was established, Ahmet was the son, and the grandson, of career diplomats/civil servants. His father was named the first Turkish representative to the League of Nations in 1925 and thereafter served as the Turk Republic’s ambassador to Switzerland, France, and England. In 1935, he was named the first Turkish ambassador to the United States and he promptly relocated the family to – where else? – Washington, DC.

From about the age of twelve, Ahmet grew up along DC’s Embassy Row, attending elite private schools with the sons and daughters of senators, congressmen, and spooks. In 1947, three years after his father died, Ertegun founded Atlantic Records. At first, the label was home to jazz and R&B artists, including Ray Charles, the company’s first big star. In the late 1950s, Ertegun took on his first assistant: a guy by the name of Phil Spector, who, rumor has it, was recently convicted of blowing a hole in Lana Clarkson’s head. Atlantic soon shifted focus and rock luminaries like Eric Clapton, Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones would later join the label’s stable of talent.

It would appear then that the two record labels that signed and launched Laurel Canyon’s first two folk-rock bands were not only major record labels, they also just happened to be corporate entities that had deep ties to the nation’s capitol and power center.

It was the major record labels, not upstart independents, that signed Laurel Canyon’s newly-formed bands. It was the major labels that provided them with instruments and amplifiers. It was the major labels that provided them with studio time and session musicians. It was the major labels that recorded, mixed and arranged their albums. It was the major labels that released and then heavily promoted those albums. And so as not to be left out, the corporate titans of all three branches of the mainstream media – print, radio and television – did their part to help out the titans of the record industry.

Unterberger notes that “AM radio (and sometimes prime-time network television) would act as a primary conduit for this countercultural expression.” Conservative, corporate-controlled AM stations across the country almost immediately began giving serious airplay to the new sounds coming out of Southern California, and network television gave the rising stars unprecedented coverage and exposure: “prime-time variety hours were much more likely to showcase rock acts than they would be in subsequent decades. New releases by the Byrds were often accompanied by large ads in trade magazines that simultaneously plugged the records and upcoming TV appearances.”

The boys in the Buffalo Springfield, for example, managed to find themselves appearing as guests on an impressive array of network television shows, including American Bandstand, The Smothers Brothers Show, Shebang, the Della Reese Show, the Go Show, the Andy Williams Show, Hollywood Palace, Where the Action Is, Joey Bishop’s late night show, and a local program known as Boss City. They also made guest appearances, curiously enough, on primetime hits like Mannix and The Girl From Uncle.

The print media did its part as well to raise awareness of the new music/countercultural scene. In September 1965, the nation’s premier newsweeklies, Time and Newsweek, “ran virtually simultaneous stories on the folk-rock craze,” just months after the first folk-rock release, the Byrd’s Mr. Tambourine Man, had climbed to the top of the charts. The country’s biggest daily newspapers chimed in as well, providing an inordinate amount of coverage of the emerging scene. By the end of 1967, the movement had its very own publication, Rolling Stone magazine. Initially designed to look as though it were a product of the underground press, it was, without question, very much a corporate mouthpiece.

Another avenue of the print media provided the scene with considerable exposure as well; as Einarson notes, many of the Laurel Canyon stars, particularly members of the Buffalo Springfield and the Monkees, were “the darlings of the California teen magazines,” including Teenset, Teen Screen, and Tiger Beat.

As the story is usually told, the 1960s countercultural movement posed a rather serious threat to the status quo. But if that were truly the case, then why was it the “pillars of the establishment,” to use Unterberger’s words, that launched the movement to begin with? Why was it ‘the man’ that signed and recorded these artists? And that heavily promoted them on the radio, on television, and in print? And that set them up with their very own radio station and their very own publication? And insured that new clubs sprung up like mushrooms along Sunset Boulevard so that all the new bands would have venues to play?

There are some readers, no doubt, who will say that this was simply a case of corporate America doing what it does so well: making a profit, off of anything and everything. Blinded by greed, the naysayers will claim, the corporate titans inadvertently created a monster. “Move along now folks, there’s nothing more to see here …”

The question that is begged by that explanation, however, is why, after it had become abundantly clear that a monster had allegedly been created, was nothing done to stop the growth of that monster? Why did the state not utilize its law enforcement and criminal justice powers to silence some of the most prominent countercultural voices? And why did the draft board – in every known case, without exception – allow those same voices to skip out on their military service?

It’s not as if the state would have had to resort to heavy-handed measures to silence these allegedly troublesome voices. Being that the vast majority of them were draft-age males who were openly using and/or advocating the use of illegal substances, they were practically begging for the powers-that-be to take action. And yet that never happened.

And now, while you ponder all of that, I’ll circle back around and tell the Buffalo Springfield story from the beginning, starting in 1945 when Stephen Arthur Stills was born to William and Talitha Stills. As John Einarson recounts in For What It’s Worth, Stephen’s “roots are firmly planted in Southern soil. His family traces its history back to the plantations of the rural antebellum South. After the Union armies laid waste to much of the Southern farm economy, the family relocated to Illinois.”

Einarson describes William Stills as “somewhat of a soldier of fortune, an engineer, builder, and dreamer who frequently uprooted the family to follow his dreams and schemes.” That is, I suppose, as good a definition as any for what he actually appears to have been: a military intelligence operative who was frequently on assignment in Central America. Stephen’s childhood was spent in Illinois, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, and various parts of Central America, including Costa Rica, El Salvador and the Panama Canal Zone.

At a fairly young age, he attended the Admiral Farragut Military Academy in St. Petersburg, Florida. In later years, his authoritarian manner and military bearing would earn him the nickname “The Sarge.” He joined his first band, the Radars, as a drummer. In his next band, the Continentals, he played the guitar, alongside another young guitarist named Don Felder, who would later turn up in Laurel Canyon as a member of the Eagles, but we’ll get to that later.

According to Einarson, “An unfortunate incident with the administration at his Tampa Bay high school resulted in Stephen’s dismissal in 1961, after which he joined his wayward family then settled in Costa Rica.” What that “unfortunate incident” may have been has been left to the reader’s imagination. In any event, Stephen’s next few years are rather murky. Some reports have him graduating from a high school in the Panama Canal Zone. Others have him shuffling back and forth between Florida and Central America. Stills himself has at times claimed that he served a stint in Vietnam. Whatever the case, in March of 1964 he surfaced in New Orleans with his sights set on a career in music.

By the summer of 1964, he had drifted to New York’s Greenwich Village, where he became fast friends with folkie Peter Torkelson, who was, like so many others in this story, a child of Washington, DC. The two played together briefly as a duo before Torkelson “migrated to Connecticut then Venezuela.” Nothing unusual about that, I suppose. Torkelson would soon show up in Laurel Canyon, as Monkee Peter Tork. Stills would also audition for the show, but his bad teeth and thinning hair would render him unfit for a leading role on prime-time TV.

In July 1964, Stills found work as one of the nine members of the Au Go-Go Singers, the newly-formed house band for New York’s famed Café Au Go-Go. Singing alongside of Stills was a young Richie Furay, the son of a pharmacist who had run a family drugstore in Yellow Springs, Ohio. Furay’s father died when Richie was just thirteen, as tends to happen from time to time in this story.

By November 1964, the Au Go-Go Singers already had an album out. But trouble soon arose, due primarily to the fact that the band was under contract to Morris Levy, a known organized-crime figure who would soon be indicted on an array of criminal charges. The band soon broke up and Furay headed off to Connecticut where a cousin got him a job at Pratt & Whitney. While working there, he took a little time off to audition for a slot in the Chad Mitchell Trio, but he was beat out by a military brat from Roswell named John Deutschendorf, later to become John Denver.

Stephen Stills, meanwhile, hung out in New York for a while longer before heeding the call of the Pied Piper and heading out to LA in August of 1965. That was the summer, according to Einarson, that “the epicenter of American rock’n’roll shifted coasts, Los Angeles replacing New York as the power base of the music industry.”

Richie Furay apparently soon found himself missing Stills but didn’t know how to reach his former bandmate, so he sent a letter to Stills’ dad in El Salvador, according to legend, and William Stills forwarded the message to Stephen. And what exactly, you may be wondering, was the elder Stills doing in El Salvador circa 1965/66? Details aren’t readily available, but as William Blum has duly noted in Killing Hope, “Throughout the 1960s, multifarious American experts occupied themselves in El Salvador by enlarging and refining the state’s security and counter-insurgency apparatus: the police, the National Guard, the military, the communications and intelligence networks, the coordination with their counterparts in other Central American countries … as matters turned out, these were the forces and resources which were brought into action to impose widespread repression and wage war.”

Meanwhile, up in Canada, Neil Young and Bruce Palmer were handling guitar and bass duties for the Mynah Birds. Neil Percival Kenneth Ragland Young was born on November 12, 1945 in Toronto to Scott Young, a sportswriter and novelist, and Edna “Rassy” Ragland, a Canadian television personality. Scott Young had spent a considerable amount of time abroad during World War II, first as a journalist and then as a member of the Royal Canadian Navy. Scott’s father (Neil’s grandfather), like Richie Furay’s, had been a pharmacist/drug store owner.

As Einarson recounts, “Neil Young and Stephen Stills had more in common than music. Both had grown up in transient families, Neil’s journalist father Scott uprooting his mother Edna ‘Rassy,’ Neil, and older brother Bob several times during Neil’s first 15 years.” Novelists, I’m guessing, need to move around a lot.

Just after his seventeenth birthday, Neil formed his first band, the Squires, and began playing local gigs. It was during those early years, according to legend, that Young and Stills first briefly crossed paths up in Canada. That meeting would, a couple years later, allegedly send Young and Palmer – also born in Toronto, to a violinist father and artist mother – off on a cross-country quest to find Stephen Stills.

The Mynah Birds, by the way, also at one time featured Nick St. Nicholas and Goldie McJohn, both of whom defected to a rival local band known as the Sparrows. The Sparrows, after a lead singer replacement, would morph into Steppenwolf. And Steppenwolf, like the other band spawned by the Mynah Birds, would migrate to – guess where? – Laurel Canyon.

hunkahunka

27-09-2009, 07:02 PM

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Center for an Informed America

Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation

Part XVI
June 13, 2009

(... continued from Part XV )

At the time of the ‘serendipitous’ encounter on Sunset Boulevard, Stills was living at the home of Barry Friedman, a former circus clown, fire-eater, TV producer, and freelance publicist. To say that his home was a bit odd would probably be an understatement. According to folkie Nurit Wilde, “It had a bathtub in the middle of the living room and a secret room behind the bathroom where people carried on liaisons.” The massive bathtub sat right in front of the equally massive fireplace. As Friedman himself would later acknowledge, “This was a very strange house.”

Not strange by canyon standards, perhaps, but strange nonetheless. Stranger homes can certainly be found, such as in the Holly Mont neighborhood near the base of nearby Beachwood Canyon. One such home is described in the book Haunted Hollywood. The house isn’t actually haunted, of course, but it does contain some rather unusual features, as a past owner discovered: “the house’s most startling feature – a secret passageway behind a built-in bookshelf he’d discovered during remodeling. It connected to a series of subterranean tunnels linking several houses on the hillside … While exploring the tunnel beneath his house, Grey found a makeshift grave. The headstone read ‘Regina 1922.’”

Nothing weird about that, I suppose. Nor about the fact that the house pictured below, which sits right next-door, is also linked through the underground tunnel complex.

Anyway … as I was saying, Friedman had taken both Stills and Furay under his wing, providing them with a place to live and rehearse, doling out spending money, and introducing them to music industry contacts. Friedman was there when the fabled meeting took place, and it was to his home that the group adjourned after stopping on the Strip. It was also Friedman who found them their drummer, Walter Milton Dwayne Midkiff, otherwise known as Dewey Martin.

Friedman, as it turns out, was working for Byrds’ manager Jim Dickson, who also managed the Dillards. Dickson hooked Friedman up with Martin, and with a full slate of electric instruments, just as he had set the Byrds up with instruments and a bass player. Dickson and Friedman would soon become neighbors when Friedman moved from his odd house on Fountain Avenue to a home on Ridpath in – all together now! – Laurel Canyon.

That home, on 8524 Ridpath, would become a rather notorious party house. As Jackson Browne, who Friedman later took under his wing, recalled, “It was always open house at Paul Rothchild’s and Barry Friedman’s” (Paul Rothchild, for those who have forgotten, was the producer of the Doors, and in case I hadn’t mentioned it before, an ex-convict). Barney Hoskyns writes in Hotel California that “Friedman … orchestrated scenes of sexual and narcotic depravity that soon spun out of control.” Among the regular visitors was “a gaggle of girls who mainly lived at Monkee Peter Tork’s house” – which was also, as we all know, in Laurel Canyon.

Just a few doors down from Friedman, at 8504 Ridpath, lived Barry James, who also played a behind-the-scenes role in the success of the Byrds. Michael Ochs, brother of folk legend/self-professed CIA operative Phil Ochs, worked as James’ assistant. A very young Jackson Browne, fresh from the “imposing Browne family home in the tony, old-money neighborhood of Highland Park,” lived with James for a year, during which time Friedman worked to build a band around Browne. Toward that end, he recruited someone else who came from “old-money,” a kid by the name of Ned Doheny.

Most members of the Springfield also took up residence in our favorite secluded canyon. Richie Furay initially moved in with Mark Volman of the Turtles, who already had a place on Lookout Mountain Avenue. After marrying in March of 1967, Furay got his own place right on Laurel Canyon Boulevard. Neil Young, ever the recluse, found himself what has been described as a “shack” at 8451 Utica Drive. And Stills eventually moved into Peter Tork’s home, also on Laurel Canyon Boulevard. It is unclear whether Palmer and Martin took up residence in the canyon.

Martin was older than the rest of the band, having been born on September 30, 1940 in Ontario. In the very early 1960s, he served a brief stint in the U.S. Army, though he appears to have been, like Young and Palmer, a Canadian citizen. Go figure. Following that, as previously noted, he played with many country and rock legends before briefly joining up with the Dillards. With him added to the Springfield, the band was complete.

It wouldn’t stay that way for any length of time, however. Bruce Palmer had a habit of getting himself arrested on a regular basis, usually on drug charges. Some of those arrests led to deportations, since both he and Young were in the country illegally. He never seems to have had much trouble getting back into the country, however, and needless to say, none of his crimes seem to have actually been prosecuted in any meaningful way. But he did go missing on a fairly regular basis. During the band’s two-year run, Ken Koblun, Jim Fielder (formerly of Zappa’s Mothers of Invention), and Jim Messina all filled in on bass for varying lengths of time. And Doug Hastings filled in for a sometimes absent Neil Young, who had a habit of occasionally quitting the band, primarily due to ego clashes with The Sarge.

The band’s second single, recorded and mixed on December 5, 1966, and written just a couple weeks before, was released locally in December 1966 and nationally in early January 1967. It would be the group’s only hit single and it is remembered today as the quintessential protest song of the 1960s. That song, of course, is For What It’s Worth, the opening lines of which kicked off this series.

As a protest song, it must be said, it doesn’t quite measure up. First of all, despite what is commonly believed nowadays, the song is not a commentary on Vietnam War protests. Far from it. The event under consideration was the so-called Riot on the Sunset Strip, which involved about 1,000 kids who were demonstrating against the imposition of a curfew and the announcement that a popular club – Pandora’s Box, at 8118 Sunset Boulevard – was slated to be closed.

Pandora’s was a small coffee shop that featured poetry readings, folk music … and Laurel Canyon bands like Love and Buffalo Springfield. This caused a bit of a problem though, as the club sat on a traffic island at the intersection of Sunset and Crescent Heights (the gateway to Laurel Canyon), and overflow crowds would spill out onto the boulevard, blocking traffic. Even before the problems began, the building was scheduled to be demolished as part of a planned road-widening project.

Nevertheless, the announcement of its closing sparked a demonstration, and on the night of November 12, 1966, 200 cops squared off against perhaps 1,000 kids. The LAPD, being the LAPD, began cracking heads and arresting everyone in sight. Protestors responded by throwing rocks, setting a car ablaze, and attempting to ignite a bus. One month later, a song commemorating the event would be blaring from car radios across the city. Eight months after that, Pandora’s would be bulldozed.

Even if the song had been about anti-war protests, it still would be an odd choice for a protest song. Lyrics such as “Singing songs and carrying signs, mostly say hooray for our side,” seem to largely dismiss the concerns of protestors. And the line “nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong” seems to suggest that protestors are no better than that which they are protesting against.

Another curious irony about the song is that it was authored by Stephen Stills, aka The Sarge, an authoritarian, law-and-order kind of guy if ever there was one. Stills himself later heaped derision on the very notion of a protest song: “We didn’t want to do another song like For What It’s Worth. We didn’t want to be a protest group. That’s really a cop-out and I hate that. To sit there and say, ‘I don’t like this and I don’t like that’ is just stupid.”

Writing insipid pop ditties about Judi Collins, I suppose, was a much smarter course of action.

While For What It’s Worth is now the best-remembered ‘protest’ song of the 1960s, the most successful one at the time was Barry McGuire’s recording of P.F. Sloan’s The Eve of Destruction, which was also a curious choice for a ‘protest’ song, for reasons best explained by Paul Jones of the band Manfred Mann: “I think that Barry McGuire must have been paid by the State Department. The Eve of Destruction protests about nothing. It is simply a ‘Thy Doom at Hand’ song with no point.”

Yet another curious ‘protest’ song of the 1960s was Glen Campbell’s rendering of Buffy St. Marie’s anti-war standard, Universal Soldier. The very same Glen Campbell told Variety magazine that draft card burners “should be hung … If you don’t have enough guts to fight for your country, you’re not a man.” A young Bob Seger, meanwhile, penned and recorded Ballad of the Yellow Beret, a vicious put-down of draft dodgers, but that might be a bit off-topic.

Returning then to the Buffalo Springfield, I think it is safe to say that, to most music fans, there is a world of difference between a band like the Springfield and a band like the Monkees. That perception, however, is not necessarily accurate. As Unterberger has written, “there was not nearly as much gauche commercialism separating the Monkees and the bold Sunset Strip vanguard as is commonly believed. The Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, and Barry McGuire might have been landing hit records with social protest both gentle and incendiary, but they were tethered to a corporate media establishment in order to deliver those messages. On television’s Where the Action Is you could see the Byrds lip-synching The Bells of Rhymney in front of vacuous, grinning beach bunnies and muscle men cavorting on diving boards and plastic inner tubes. When Buffalo Springfield mimed to For What It’s Worth on The Smothers Brothers Show, they suffered the insertion of a shot of Tom Smothers pointing a gun at the camera during the line ‘there’s a man with a gun over there,’ to a burst of uproarious canned laughter.”

The ties between the bands actually ran far deeper than their mutual fondness for cheesy television appearances. Stephen Stills, it will be recalled, auditioned to be a Monkee, as did singer/songwriters Harry Nilsson and Paul Williams, and Danny Hutton of Three Dog Night. Stills and Tork remained close friends and frequently jammed together. Indeed, both Tork and fellow Monkee Mickey Dolenz joined the Springfield on stage at various local events. And Stills, Young and Dewey Martin all sat in on Monkees recording sessions.

On July 2, 1967, guitarist extraordinaire Jimi Hendrix played the Whisky and reportedly blew the roof off the place (figuratively speaking, that is). Shortly thereafter, he moved into Peter Tork’s house in Laurel Canyon. By the middle of July, Hendrix had joined the Monkees tour as their opening act. He was dropped after just a few dates, however, due to the fact that Monkees fans couldn’t quite wrap their heads around Jimi’s brand of music.

Throughout the summer of 1967, Stephen and Dewey’s Malibu home became the site of informal jam sessions involving Stephen Stills, Jimi Hendrix, Buddy Miles, David Crosby … and Monkee Peter Tork. Stills played bass, deferring lead guitar duties to Hendrix. All of them ultimately ended up living at Tork’s Laurel Canyon spread, which, as previously mentioned, featured a gaggle of young groupies who spent an inordinate amount of time lounging around the pool in various states of undress.

Those jam sessions, both in Malibu and Laurel Canyon, were undoubtedly fueled by massive amounts of LSD. According to an anonymous insider interviewed by John Einarson, “Owsley [editor’s note: remember him?] used to give Bruce [Palmer] baggies full of acid, a thousand tabs of purple. Somehow he befriended Bruce so we [the band and various hangers-on] never lacked for LSD.”

There was yet one more curious tie between the Monkees and the Springfield: while together in Chicago, unnamed members of both bands were allegedly immortalized by the notorious Cynthia Plaster Caster. Our old friend Frank Zappa would soon take Cynthia under his wing and relocate her to LA to continue her, uhmm, work, just as he had taken the nubile young women who would become the GTOs under his wing. It could reasonably be argued, I suppose, that Zappa did more than anyone to create one of the more peculiar artifacts of the 1960s: the super-groupie.

Ahmet Ertegun, by the way, played a key role in launching the career of Mr. Zappa, so much so that Frank named one of his sons after him. Meanwhile, Zappa’s shady manager, Herb Cohen, “was involved with the [Buffalo Springfield] financially … Stephen knew Herbie from New York,” according to Einarson. The Laurel Canyon crowd, to be sure, was a close-knit group – all the more so because so many of them seem to have known one another before arriving there.

Just a couple of weeks before Jimi’s Whisky debut, he had dazzled the crowd at the Monterey Pop Festival, where the band under review today, the Buffalo Springfield, had also played – though by most accounts, not very well. Neil Young was taking one of his leaves-of-absence from the band and Doug Hastings filled in on second lead guitar. In addition, Stills brought his buddy David Crosby out on stage to join the band, which by many accounts was a rather poor decision on Stephen’s part.

In For What It’s Worth, Einarson provides the following evaluation of Crosby’s performance: “His profile was so low key many took no notice of him there save for his ever-present black cowboy hat, and his musical contributions, both instrumentally and vocally, were barely audible.” Some of those who had been on stage with Crosby had a somewhat less charitable view. According to bassist Bruce Palmer, “Crosby stunk to high heaven. He didn’t know what he was doing … he was all ego. He came on for forty minutes and embarrassed us.” Guitarist Hastings agreed, explaining that Crosby’s “problem was that he couldn’t play rhythm guitar very well, though he thought he could … that was one of the reasons why we sounded so bad at Monterey.”

Has anyone noticed, by the way, that I am not a huge fan of David Crosby and that I seem to relish tossing in gratuitous quotes questioning his talents?

After spending the ‘Summer of Love’ jamming with members of both Jimi Hendrix’s Band of Gypsys and the Monkees, the Buffalo Springfield hit the road in November 1967 to begin a tour opening for the Beach Boys, a pairing nearly as odd as the Monkees and Jimi Hendrix. Bruce Palmer, whom we have already learned was not one to mince words, had this to say about the Beach Boys as a performing band: “They were real lousy musicians but they had terrific harmony and a name. They were a studio group. On stage it was like the Monkees. They would spend weeks and months in the studio with Brian Wilson perfecting harmonies and overdubs, but you put them on stage and they stunk.”

That tour included a stop, curiously enough, at West Point Military Academy, which is, as we all know, a regular stop on most rock tours. While on the road, the members of the Springfield formed a close bond with Dennis Wilson, a bond that would be built upon in April of 1968 when the Springfield again went out on tour with the Beach Boys. That tour was launched on April 5, almost two years to the day from the fabled meeting that allegedly forged the band. It was the last major tour the group would undertake.

Just after returning from the 1968 tour, Dennis Wilson bonded with another local musician, a guy by the name of Charlie Manson. When Dennis introduced his new friend Charlie to his buddies in the Buffalo Springfield, Neil Young in particular was quite smitten – so much so that he reportedly went to record mogul Mo Ostin and recommended that Ostin sign Charlie right away.

How many of you, by the way, were getting a little worried that Manson wasn’t going to make an appearance in this chapter of the Laurel Canyon saga?

On April 28, the band began playing its last series of local venues. On May 5, at the Long Beach Arena, the Buffalo Springfield played together as a band for the last time. They had been scheduled to play two shows that day, the first at a venue in Torrance (your fearless scribe’s hometown), but that earlier show never materialized.

The band released their third and final album, Last Time Around, some three months later. As with albums by the Byrds and the International Submarine Band, the Springfield’s final album is often cited as being a pioneering effort in the creation of the country-rock genre. It appears, by the way, that there wasn’t actually a single album that could be considered the ‘first’ country-rock album, since the three albums most frequently singled out for that distinction – the Byrd’s Sweetheart of the Rodeo, the International Submarine Band’s Safe at Home, and the Buffalo Springfield’s Last Time Around, were all released, curiously enough, within days of each other in July of 1968.

That was just one curious shift that occurred in the local music scene. The folk-rock movement, you see, didn’t really last very long in its original incarnation. It quickly splintered into three distinct new genres: country-rock, psychedelic rock, and the ‘introspective singer-songwriter’ school of folk-rock most closely associated with former mental patient James Taylor. None of these musical genres, notably, posed the slightest threat to the status quo. The navel-gazers eschewed social concerns in favor of focusing on tales of personal anguish, the acid rockers largely preached the mantra of ‘turn on, tune in, drop out,’ and the country-rockers largely stuck to traditional – which is to say, quite conservative – country music themes.

Following the breakup of the Buffalo Springfield, Richie Furay and sometime bassist Jim Messina went on to form the band Poco. Through various formations, the band was critically acclaimed but never had a great deal of commercial success. Jim Messina ultimately left to become half of Loggins and Messina; his replacement, Randy Meisner, went on to become an Eagle. A guy by the name of Gregg Allman, who played briefly with Poco during its formative days, went on to front the Allman Brothers.

Poco debuted at the Troubadour, which served as the breeding ground for the country-rock movement, in November 1968. Their first album, Pickin’ Up the Pieces, hit the shelves six months later, three months after the release of the debut album by country-rock rivals The Flying Burrito Brothers, formed by former Byrds Gram Parsons and Chris Hillman.

Byrd David Crosby, meanwhile, teamed up with the Springfield’s Stephen Stills and ex-Hollie Graham Nash (who had arrived in Laurel Canyon in December 1968 – and soon after moved in with Joni Mitchell) to form a band first known as the Frozen Noses, a name inspired by the trio’s fondness for cocaine. By the late 1960s, the drug that would later become the drug of choice of the disco crowd had already begun pouring into Laurel Canyon. As glam-rocker Michael DesBarres recalled, “Every drug dealer was in Laurel Canyon.” Along with the drugs came lots of guns and huge piles of cash. Before long, according to Laurel Canyon chronicler Michael Walker, “cocaine became a pseudo-currency, like cigarettes in prison.”

A decade later, the world would catch a glimpse of that dark canyon undercurrent when four battered bodies were bagged and removed from a house on Wonderland Avenue … but we’ve already covered that.

The newest Laurel Canyon band, of course, was quickly renamed Crosby, Stills & Nash, and by the summer of 1969, they had the top selling album in the country. It would remain on the charts for an unprecedented two years. When the band got ready to hit the road though, there was a little problem; given that Stills was the only serious musician in the band, and it was he who had played virtually all the instruments on that debut album, it was going to be difficult, as Barney Hoskyns noted, “to translate their layered studio sound to the stage.” The solution was, as Einarson has written, to bring Neil Young on board, “to provide more umph to their live sets.” And so it was that by the end of the year, CSN had become CSNY.

Now the band just needed a rhythm section. Dallas Taylor, who had played on sessions for the first album, was recruited as a permanent drummer. Stills and Young summoned Bruce Palmer to come down from Canada to handle bass duties. According to Palmer, however, that didn’t work out, primarily because once he got to LA and “started rehearsing at Stephen’s house with Crosby and Nash, it became real evident that they were nothing but backup singers. They didn’t like it and decided to change it. They couldn’t take that; they thought they were too big, too famous, too talented. They weren’t talented, they were backup singers … It looked to them as if it was Crosby and Nash backing up Buffalo Springfield, being nothing more than harmony singers for Stephen, Neil, myself, and Dallas Taylor.”

According to Palmer, the first CSN album was “95 percent Stephen doing everything and he’s got his backup singer boys with him. He’s been dragging them around with him for 25 years.” Considering that Stills composed the majority of the material, played most of the instruments, and produced and arranged the album, Palmer’s assessment seems a reasonable one. In any event, CSNY didn’t last too long, dissolving after their 1970 tour. Stills next recruited the ubiquitous Chris Hillman to form Manassas, which also proved to be short-lived. Not long after, David Geffen teamed Hillman with Richie Furay and J.D. Souther to create the Souther, Hillman, Furay Band, which was supposed to be the second coming of CSN but which also proved to be short-lived. During the band’s brief tenure, our old friend Phil Kaufman was on hand to serve as road manager.

Crosby, Stills and Nash was not the only Laurel Canyon band to release a debut album in 1969. Three Dog Night, mentored by Beach Boy Brian Wilson, released their self-titled debut in January, and in June, a psychedelic rock band from the LC issued its first LP. Throughout 1968, the band, then known as Nazz, was a regular presence on the Sunset Strip, where they gained a reputation for being heavy on the theatrics but light on the musicianship.

The band was fronted by Vincent Furnier, the boyfriend of Miss Christine of the GTOs. Miss Pamela, aka Pamela Des Barres, described Furnier as “a rich kid from Phoenix.” A staunch supporter of the colonial occupation of Vietnam (isn’t it time we stopped calling these things ‘wars’?), Vince would later become a golf partner of uber-conservative Senator Barry Goldwater.

Furnier would soon change his own name, and the name of his band, to Alice Cooper, after deciding that he was the reincarnation of a witch who purportedly lived in the seventeenth century. Our old friend Frank Zappa signed the band and its debut album, Pretties For You, was the first release on Zappa’s Straight label. After transforming into a shock-rock band, the group would hit it big a few years later with the release of School’s Out.

Cooper had a curious connection to another rather eccentric canyon character: Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys. In later years, both Cooper and Wilson would receive ‘treatment’ from a certain Dr. Eugene Landy, whose handling of Wilson would become quite controversial. According to various sources close to Wilson, Landy quickly took control of virtually all aspects of Brian’s life.

On October 19, 1978, academy award-winning actor Gig Young and his fifth wife, Kim Schmidt, were found shot through the head in their New York City apartment. The 64-year-old Young – raised, as would be expected, in Washington, DC – had just married the young art gallery worker three weeks earlier. There was no note found and no one close to the pair could come up with a motive for either to commit suicide, so the incident naturally was written off as a murder/suicide. Young had just taped an episode of the Joe Franklin television show that day and he presumably had given no indication that anything was amiss. The show never aired.

One other curious side note: at the time of the murder/suicide, Young was receiving ‘treatment’ from Eugene Landy.

As for the original members of the Buffalo Springfield, Stephen Stills and Neil Young are still known to perform at times. Richie Furay founded the Cavalry Chapel near Boulder, Colorado, where he still serves today as senior pastor. Bruce Palmer died of a heart attack on October 1, 2004. And Dewey Martin was apparently found dead by his roommate just a few months ago, on February 1, 2009. No published reports have given a cause of death. He had been living, curiously enough, in an apartment in Van Nuys, California, just a fifteen-minute drive from the home of your favorite scribe.

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hunkahunka

28-09-2009, 03:15 AM

interesting versions of Smells Like Teen Spirit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF7sZZF1Hu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQRZGJrzcaw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN75im_us4k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnVUwH2eOHs

hunkahunka

28-09-2009, 02:59 PM

hunkahunka

30-09-2009, 10:26 AM

Ex-detective's occult expertise sought in Farmville slayings
Posted to: Crime News

Don Rimer is retired from the Beach police, has trained law enforcement agencies in a number of states and speaks to churches and civic groups about ritual crime and the occult.

By Patrick Wilson
The Virginian-Pilot
© September 27, 2009

VIRGINIA BEACH

Pentagrams, goat heads, the Church of Satan. Don Rimer knows a lot about such things.

The retired Beach police detective is an expert on occult crime and has been called by Virginia State Police to go to Farmville to help analyze the deaths of four people whose bodies were discovered Sept. 18 in the small college town west of Richmond.

"I'm sure they want me to help them understand what they have.... This is a unique case for them," Rimer said. "They're going to be asking me a lot of questions."

Richard Alden Samuel McCroskey III, 20, of Castro Valley, Calif., was arrested Sept. 19 at Richmond International Airport and has been charged in the killings of his girlfriend, Emma Niederbrock, 16; her parents, Longwood University professor Debra Kelley and estranged husband Mark Niederbrock, and Emma's friend Melanie Wells, 18.

Their bodies were found in Debra Kelley's house in Farmville. A week before their deaths, the four victims had gone to a music festival in Michigan that featured "horrorcore" artists performing music about raping, killing and mutilating people.

"This isn't the first crime where people have died because of getting involved in things that deal with dangerous elements," Rimer said. "Unfortunately, the girls were involved in a very dangerous kind of music. This is not your routine heavy metal... really way beyond Marilyn Manson or that kind of thing."

Rimer, 63, retired from the Police Department in 2005 after 33 years. Since then, he has trained law enforcement agencies and spoken publicly about ritual crime and the occult. He first got interested in 1986, when Virginia Beach experienced some grave robberies and animal mutilations.

Rimer will be part of occult training in Virginia Beach for law enforcement officers next month, which was scheduled prior to the slayings in Farmville.

In the Farmville case, as a rapper with the stage name "Syko Sam," McCroskey had recorded songs about killing people.

He told a cab driver who took him to the Richmond airport that he had looked at Emma Niederbrock's phone while he was visiting and became angry after seeing a text message from another performer who told her he loved her, The Associated Press reported Saturday.

Andres Shrim, owner of Serial Killin Records in Rio Rancho, N.M., contacted Farmville police on Sept. 18 and told them he believed McCroskey could be responsible for homicides.

Rimer has looked at the Web sites of Serial Killin Records, also known as SKR, and said the content is relevant to the investigation.

A flier for the "Strictly for the Wicked" festival in Michigan shows a goat's head and "666" in a pentagram.

"The images that immediately stood out were the pentagram, which is the international symbol of the Church of Satan," he said. "That's the poster for the concert that mom and dad took the girls to."

A female artist promoted by SKR professes to be a Satanist. Her MySpace page has an image of a human-looking figure ripping a fetus from its abdomen. The figure is wearing a crown with a pentagram and holding a spear with a head impaled on it. Web fliers indicate the artist was a performer at the Michigan festival.

Teenagers, already curious and prone to depression, are susceptible to such images and music, Rimer said.

"If you listen to something that talks about killing and rape and murder and suicide, which this music does, your mind catalogs those lyrics whether you like it or not," he said.

"They surround themselves with peers that feel the same way, and they surround themselves with angry, depressing music. If we allow them to do that, then we have a huge problem."

Debra Kelley was a criminal justice professor and her husband was a Presbyterian minister.

Rimer said the parents may have been trying to support their daughter while keeping a close eye on her by driving her to Michigan, where she met up with McCroskey.

"Everybody needs to know this topic so that we can try to prevent what happened in Farmville," Rimer said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Patrick Wilson, (757) 446-2957, patrick.wilson@pilotonline.com

hunkahunka

30-09-2009, 10:35 AM

Don Rimer is interviewed on blogtalkradio:

audio:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/TalkForensics/2009/07/05/Don-Rimer-Ritual-Crime-and-Occult-Expert

Don Rimer: Ritual Crime and Occult Expert

Date: July 5th, 2009

Don Rimer is a retired, 33-year veteran of the Virginia Beach, Virginia Police Department. He currently serves as the Public Information officer and Chaplain for the Virginia Gang Investigators Association. He is an internationally recognized authority on Ritual Crime and the Occult. He serves as an investigator and consultant to agencies throughout the United States and Canada. Since 1986, he has spoken to more than 2,500 schools, churches, civic groups, and professional organizations.

hunkahunka

30-09-2009, 04:24 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/user/theindustryexposed#play/user/9AB9FC8DFCE80143

The Industry Part 1

explore the music industry and the secrets it holds.....

Website: http://illuminatimusic.8m.com/

hunkahunka

01-10-2009, 11:37 AM

http://img156.imagevenue.com/loc870/th_09810_cobaintart_0001_122_870lo.jpg
early photo of a young (and alluring) Kurt Cobain and Krist Novoselic together, with Kurt perched on big Krist's knee(Cobain was likely 18 or so here, and Krist about 20)

this would have been around the time that Cobain and Krist spraypainted
things like 'GOD IS GAY', 'abort christ', and 'homo sex rules' around Aberdeen

video:
Kurt Cobain's Own Private Idaho:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrFSmOlXrMg

repost (photo and video both disappeared from original post)

hunkahunka

01-10-2009, 04:18 PM

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/laurancotter/kurt_cobain_seattle.jpg

http://img146.imagevenue.com/loc980/th_34035_cobainbluedress_122_980lo.jpg

Re: My Own Private Idaho ( I da ho: as in "I da hoh, bro?") ) being based on the addicted, narcoleptic Kurt Cobain, I found this interesting
information on the writing and making of the film. In the original screenplay by Gus Van San, the script and part for the main character Mike (played by River Phoenix) was written originally as the character being a heroin using, narcoleptic street kid with dreams of making it big as a rock star.

The kid that recounts the rape tale is a real 'street kid' ( his real name is Mike Parker) who was originally going to play River Phoenix's character 'Mike Waters'. Keanu Reeves character was initially also to be played by a real hustler and friend of Gus Van Sants', named Scott. Van Sant wanted Reeves and Phoenix and sent them scripts directly, as he knew agents wouldn't put them through due to the content, and both actors said 'yes' (obviously) so the original choices, Scott and Mike Parker, were demoted to 'street kid' roles.

http://img153.imagevenue.com/loc1041/th_68213_myownprivateidaho_122_1041lo.jpg

Just to clarify also, the parts were not written based on the real hustlers lives. Van Sant gave the characters the same first name of the boys who were originally to play them.

interesting related video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrFSmOlXrMg

http://img146.imagevenue.com/loc824/th_68438_myownprivateidaho2_122_824lo.jpg
Mike Parker

Mike parker (the guy who recounts the "I was raped with a wine bottle" story) speaks a little about this in a documentary called 'This Road will never End'.

Part I of that documentary is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO3abs0X-Mo

repost missing video links

hunkahunka

04-10-2009, 07:09 PM

interesting video with mind control theme:

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNkCL-ZUcw4&feature=related

soulja

05-10-2009, 12:34 PM

Inside The Sex Club For Girls
Why are educated and affluent young women flocking to join a secret society that hosts anything-goes sex parties?

From The Sunday Times
March 15, 2009

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00502/Killing_Kittens_502021a.jpg

Camilla asked me first. “Would you go to Killing Kittens?” she said, curling her long legs into her chest conspiratorially and squaring her large green eyes up to mine. She had heard about the club, an exclusive members-only sex club run by and targeted at women and couples, and held in opulent splendour — a business that sells itself as a playpen for “the world’s sexual elite”. “Absolutely not,” I said, wondering when it became the norm for a night with the girls to end in a three-way with a criminal barrister and a Fulham blonde in an edible playsuit. “I’d never do anything like that.” And, before I could catch myself, I added a resounding “ever”.

But, since that question, I’d been approached by friends giggling into drinks, or confiding in me over supper, four times. All these girls are public-school products: intelligent, beautiful, high-flying. Girls I thought would dismiss out of hand the concept of going to a club to, as far as I could grasp, dress up, titillate and have sex with numerous men and women. Nonetheless, a month later I’m in a silky pink dress and a sparkling eye mask, surrounded by women in a towering Mayfair mansion ticking my name off the guest list on a table strewn with condoms and — bizarrely — Quality Street chocolates. I got in not, sadly, because I am in any way “sexually elite”, but because the club is run by Emma Sayle, an old roommate of mine from school — now a 30-year-old, 6ft blonde business entrepreneur, but back then a super-bright, sporty girls’ girl.

A week earlier, I’d caught up with her in a London cafe to try and grasp what she was up to.

If I had got the basics right — that she had chosen to profit from women by creating an environment for them to have sex with men — then this didn’t tally with the girl I knew at all. She explained the club rules, rules shared by Belle Baise, a similar "swinging" club based in Nottingham. Members — single women and couples from an AB demographic, but no single men — have to be conventionally good-looking; they must arrive masked, a man can’t get in unless he’s taken there by a woman; if a woman doesn’t bat her lashes and lead him away for a spot of “playing” then there’s not much he can do but watch. Even this he has to do in a couple, as parties have minders circulating to ensure there aren’t any lone males perving quietly in a corner. No drugs — you get thrown out if you’re found taking them. No cameras or mobile phones — this is a strictly secret event, so much so that the location of the venue is only released the day before a party — which makes it somewhat odd that she has allowed the Sunday Times Magazine photographer in at all.

No, she says, means no, and although women can wear whatever they like, men have to scrub up — no trainers and no T-shirts. Even male film stars, most recently Sienna Miller’s ex, Rhys Ifans, get turned away if they’re not in the right kit. But Sayle appears uninterested in her celebrity clientele — she explains that Ifans, along with the Premier League footballer seen bouncing two female “elves” on each knee at the “Santa’s Little Helpers” Christmas party last year, are of no use to her. “They are guys, and the party is not about guys,” she says. “It’s also not about walking into a club and seeing a famous person. It’s about women — not alpha females who storm up to men — but feminine and sensual ones who can go and dance around in their underwear and drink with no pressure and no expectations, just free to feel sexy and have fun.” This “girls make the rules and only girls can break the rules” ethos certainly seems to work for many of the ones who go. Much of the feedback is positive. Wildly so. “For me, it’s a bit of a journey,” explains a recent female convert.

“It’s great to be able to see women wandering around, feeling empowered and gorgeous, and wearing what they like and not being judged for it. If you go to a club and you’re wearing a foxy outfit, the chances are you’ll have guys pawing you and going ‘All right, darlin’?’ Whereas these parties are respectful — it’s a completely different vibe.” For some.

I recall at school, as the daughter of a diplomat, Sayle had a reassuringly international, carefree, nonjudgmental air about her. That she went into business was no surprise — she has an eye for spotting a niche and the self-belief to go for it — but it’s harder to associate this churchgoing girl with the dubious machinations of the sex industry. She says her experiences of working in the City as a financial PR shaped her thinking. “In my twenties I had an arsehole, sexist boss who would tell me to wear a short skirt the next day in order to win business,” she says.

“I felt myself getting less and less feminine and wearing looser and looser clothes to avoid derogatory remarks. I basically felt like a piece of meat and no one had any interest in my brain.”

When the HR department turned a blind eye, she left her job and took herself out of the City scene altogether, freelancing first as a fitness PR, then as an entertainment PR. After taking on the Erotica show as a client, she started doing PR for up-market swinging parties, which she describes as “run by sleazy guys and not aimed at women”. She saw a niche in a very feminine crowd.

The Killing Kittens website captures Sayle’s sales pitch: there’s her skimpy, Janet Reger-designed underwear range, Naughty Janet; there’s a “Dungeon Break” in a West Yorkshire mansion costing £3,000 to get manacled up in a fully equipped dungeon for the weekend; a “Kidnap Experience” — very popular, apparently — offering an adrenaline-inducing “real-life kidnap scenario” lasting up to 12 hours, with an optional transgender makeover — for £3,500; and a “Mini Mile-High Experience” for an hour’s satisfaction in a private jet for about the same price.

So, who is this attracting? The liberated female sexual elite or the more ordinarily desperate and seedy? The Killing Kittens website got 10,000 "unique" visitors last month and club membership, which is 80% female, rose in line with City redundancies. It increased from 5,000 in November to more than 6,000 by the end of last year. Sayle estimates that 70% of these are privately educated. And it’s not just Londoners or foreigners based in London. Around 30% come from the rest of the UK, or hop over from Europe for the weekend — demand that is taking the company up to Edinburgh and overseas, with Paris a distinct possibility and a club opening in New York at the end of the year. Not bad for a company that surfaced 3Å years ago, charges a fair whack (£150 per couple per party with 20 parties a year — or £300 a year and parties at half-price) and narrows its members to the world’s 18- to 45-year-old “sexual elite”. And, thanks to Tash, a tubby blonde in Leeds with a crack eye for deviants, Botox and Z-list Eurotrash, there is a ruthless refusal rate of one in three. As hopefuls have to fill in an extensive application form detailing, among other things, their sexual preferences, there is also a waiting list of hundreds.

Much of the club’s success seems to lie in the eagerness of a few of its filthy-rich members, male and female, to open up their vast London pads to the party nights — some, it seems, without actually realising they have. A pretty blonde recalls a recent “Doctors and Nurses” party at a vast five-floor — swimming pool included — West End venue. A doddery 70-year-old man was wandering around looking totally bemused as his gorgeous young wife — who had offered their home as the venue — wandered around in a nurse’s outfit liberally administering fake injections with a plastic toy syringe and putting stickers on people.

The party I sneaked into was a masked ball at a Mayfair address — again, the home of one of the members: an enormous 18th-century mansion with a vast stone staircase, soaring pastel-green walls and a delicate cupola arching overhead. I took along another Killing Kittens virgin, Sophie, a posh, leggy ex-model, and her equally beautiful boyfriend. And, as we waited in the hall, a pretty brunette politely inquired whether her Ferrari would be safe outside. This isn’t your regular Saturday-night crowd. These predominantly high-flying public-school products — many attracted by the shield of secrecy around the event — are an exclusive, self-regulating set who complain vociferously on the members’ website if they think someone doesn’t make the grade. But, as one member explains, women don’t wander around in a “f*** you, you can’t touch me” kind of way. They think: “Yes, I know I’m gorgeous and I might play with you later, and gosh, you’re lovely.” It’s not an arrogant thing, apparently: “You get to feel sexual and be sexual and express yourself, and wear those clothes without the risk and the hassle of blokes coming up to you and annoying you and pawing at you.”

Fair enough, but with the rules the way they are, will there be men there at all? Sayle says that although lots of many "slightly" bi-curious girls come in groups — not necessarily to get “gang-banged senseless” but to have a fun night out — the ratio stays pretty constant at 60:40 or 70:30, just enough testosterone reduction to make it “much more relaxed”.

It’s hard not to gawp. For those whose worlds don’t stretch to strap-on-dildo-flaunting semi-naked men and steely-bunned girls in silky suspenders sauntering around with a glass of bubbly in one hand and a johnny in the other, this is mesmerising. I’m told that the beginning of the evening is for mingling, a bit of “chitchat”, a glass of champagne, and for picking out people to introduce yourself to. I turned to the woman next to me — a trout-lipped Venezuelan pole-dancer in a black sequined Onesie, ostrich feathers and a luminous pink wig.

“Hello.”
“ ’Ello darrrleeeng.”

“Do you, er… come here often?”
“I come all the time.”

“Um, really?”
“Yees. Of course.”

“Oh…”

“You like to faaaack? I love faaaaaaacking. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don’t bother, and you…” she faltered, eyeing me up and down carefully. “You are… naaaaice, but…” And, nodding apologetically, she teetered off.

I found Sophie batting off female suitors by the bar and getting increasingly frustrated with a porcelain-skinned beauty in her twenties, who was using all her charms to convince her that all she really wanted to do was get in the buff and start swinging — seemingly on behalf of her equally eager boyfriend, who had beelined Sophie from the outset. The boyfriend, a bald, gangly, late-thirty-something man who, it turned out, lives in the house with a handful of other men who all met at these parties, was selectively dishing out small black plastic rings. These — I found out when I didn’t receive one — were the passport to his room. Only the “elite elite” get them. These girls, I discovered when I grabbed Sophie’s ring and made it past the man guarding the door, have the dubious pleasure of being home-videoed, sky-clad, romping in high-Georgian splendour on his gigantic, damask-draped four-poster bed. Surely this was flagrant rule-breaking? I mentioned it to Sayle. She sounded surprised, but not particularly shocked. “I’ll have a word,” she said. There was something else striking about the scene. The decor, the ambience, the bed, it conjured another era — a scene from a 19th-century orgy perhaps, as if the bourgeois had thrown open their doors. The difference here is in the sales pitch. This party isn’t men paying women for sex; this is a woman saying to other women: “Pay me and you can come and have sex with women — and men.”

Rather than being a fast-track for gold-diggers, however, it appears these girls may be out of luck. “No self-respecting man would be seen dead with a member of those parties,” says a male friend. This makes Sayle roll her eyes. “Five of my friends are in serious relationships with girls they met at a Killing Kittens night,” she says.

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article5887631.ece

runciter

05-10-2009, 12:57 PM

interesting video with mind control theme:

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNkCL-ZUcw4&feature=related

i'm quoting this post just to make the video reappear.

maybe the safest thing to do is to post both the embedded clip and an "old style" link :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNkCL-ZUcw4&feature=player_embedded

hunkahunka

07-10-2009, 12:16 AM

hunkahunka

09-10-2009, 02:18 PM

http://www.thegully.com/essays/gaymundo/queerimg6/cross_burning2.jpg

Clues in the Heart Shaped Box video, that Cobain may have
been recovering memories of secret ritual activity from his
childhood.

http://www.mcb.com.hk/online2/image/upload/215/anton_nirvana.jpg
note the crows on what might seem to be a crucifix
http://designarchives.aiga.org/img/media/13390_m.jpg
the crows identify it as possibly a scarecrow frame or burnt sacrifice
structure

- may tie in with pagan ritual sacrifice. (as the makers of the film
Zeitgeist painstakingly illustrated, christianity blended pagan
traditions, rituals, and dates together as it took hold) note the Pope's hat
(mitre)

http://musique.portail.free.fr/clips-videos/nouveautes/10-11-2008/nirvana-heart-shaped-box/1930-5s-430x360-Cropped.jpg

http://designarchives.aiga.org/img/media/13390_m.jpg

(note the little girl with the KKK/Bohemian Grove ritual hood and robe,
with the face cover hanging at the back. This child could symbolize the
childhood of cobain , who, by some accounts, may have been raised as a blonde girl in early childhood)

this still from the video is interesting in that it may contain clues
to ritual secrets that Cobain was hinting at, but too afraid to directly reveal.

Consider for a moment who is the more likely to be a satanist, a christian or an atheist?
A scientific rationalist/existentialist/atheist forgoes a belief in anything that cannot be directly proven to exist. Therefore atheists, by definition, would not believe in the existence of satan, let alone worship satan as a deity.

Would it be too much to consider for a moment that is christians who believe in the existence of both jesus and satan? and...

Can we then consider that the believers in the existence of satan
are most likely to be satanists?

Could it be then that there are sects who practice active worship of both jesus and satan?

Could that be what this picture is depicting?

http://designarchives.aiga.org/img/media/13390_m.jpg

http://www.sjb.k12.nf.ca/grassroots/holocaust/other/hategroups/pic-burningcross.gif

continued..

greydove

09-10-2009, 03:09 PM

this is an insightful and convincingly detailed analysis of the ritual symbolism
at the 2009 Video Music Awards.(including a masonic initiation ceremony
and a blood sacrifice)

The 2009 VMAs: The Occult Mega-Ritual :

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2191

the site appears to be gone :(

hunkahunka

09-10-2009, 03:21 PM

Is it too much to consider then the duality of 'christian conservatives' meeting at a place like Bohemian Grove? A Baptist Jimmy Carter, for example, also a member of the Bohemian Club. Or the duality of even a Reverend Jim Jones, who began as Methodist minister and recruited members for his huge Californian Peoples Temple sect from among the Methodists? L. Frank Baum, author of the Wizard of Oz, was originally a Methodist who became an Episcopalian. Judy Garland's homosexual father was an Episcopalian.

Could there be a hidden side or sect of the Methodists linked to Oz trauma programming and human sacrifice?

http://www.churchofelduce.com/church%20of%20el%20duce2.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/422123946_08358c1787.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/wickedwitch.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9112/wizardofzwitchmelt2.jpg

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/wizardofzwitchmelt8.JPG

http://www.metrolyrics.com/images/albums/189193729Scarling_SoLongScarecrow.jpg

http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/bohemian-prez.jpg

http://boba.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/burning_man.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/cubecross.jpg

hunkahunka

09-10-2009, 04:31 PM

http://stopannoyingme.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/kkk-rainbow.jpg

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1295/kukluxcatholic.gif
Roman Catholic priests in vatican ceremony

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/452834903_61391f3711.jpg
Seville Holy Week in Spain

http://www.archimadrid.es/jesusmedinaceli/nazarenos.jpg
Nazarenos

http://www.barriosantacruz.com/apartamentos/nazarenos.jpg
SEMANA SANTA DE SEVILLA 2009

http://www.terra.es/personal2/rubensb/fotos07/nazarenos.jpg

http://zapatopi.net/blog/bgc-cremation_of_care.jpg
cremation of care hooded ritual near Santa Rosa
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/ecassity/cremationn.jpg

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/june2005/070605bgrove1.jpg

http://musicaretro.castpost.com/nirvana%20-%20heart%20shaped%20box.mpg.jpg
Santa hat

hunkahunka

09-10-2009, 04:32 PM

http://www.sevenseasresort2.com/Images/prev42.jpg
wizard

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9112/wizardofzwitchmelt2.jpg
of oz

http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/bohemian-prez.jpg

hunkahunka

09-10-2009, 04:58 PM

http://geoconger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/schori.jpg
National leader of the Episcopalian Church, lesbian Bishop Katharine Jefferts

http://www.anglicancommunion.org/_userfiles/Image/full/acns4292af.jpg

"I always thought a punk was someone who took it up the ass"- William Burroughs

hunkahunka

10-10-2009, 02:34 AM

just out of curiosity I did a few internet searches

one with the terms: 'Episcopal Wizard of Oz'
another with: ' Episcopal Alice in Wonderland'
another: Methodist Wizard of Oz
another: Methodist Alice in Wonderland
another Episcopal school Wizard of Oz
another Methodist school Wizard of Oz

try it and see the huge number of links that come up about plays
and events and skits and readings etc. being held at Methodist & Episcopalian
churches and schools. It is mind boggling. There are too many to post here.

Or do image searches with the same terms. You will find a TON of things
like this:

Monday, November 26, 2007

Alice In Wonderland Performance
You Are Invited!

Date: November 30th
Time: 7:00 PM
Location: Salem United Methodist Church
Selbyville Public Library presents a performance of Alice in Wonderland by the First State Children's Theater!

It's FREE and fun for all ages

hunkahunka

10-10-2009, 02:40 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome

Alice in Wonderland syndrome

Alice in Wonderland syndrome (AIWS, named after the novel written by Lewis Carroll), also known as Todd's syndrome[1], is a disorienting neurological condition which affects human perception. Sufferers may experience micropsia, macropsia, and/or size distortion of other sensory modalities. A temporary condition, it is often associated with migraines, brain tumors, and the use of psychoactive drugs. It can also present as the initial sign of the Epstein-Barr Virus (see infectious mononucleosis). Anecdotal reports suggests that the symptoms of AIWS are fairly common in childhood, with many people growing out of them in their teens. It appears that AIWS is also a common experience at sleep onset.

hunkahunka

11-10-2009, 01:58 PM

any thread referencing the Heart Shaped Box video should actually contain the video, so here it is.

the way this video is arranged is interesting, with footage of Cobain
singing the song Heart Shaped Box, seemingly enraged, and intercut with flashes of what could be the source of his rage; recovered memories of
traumatic ritual abuse. You see in the video hanging fetuses, a man crucified, ritual robes, and angel/butterfly symbolism throughout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK7Ai9dWrRQ

Note too that Cobain's original concept for this video was to have the aging William Burroughs, aged 80 at the time, play the role of the old man, and the role of the Burroughs character, according to Cobain's script idea, was to simulate the anal rape of Cobain, and die while ejaculating his life force into Cobain.

We can assume this may have been intended by Cobain to be an homage to Burroughs, a way of stating that Burroughs spirit would live in on the younger Cobain, who by all accounts revered Burroughs as a mentor.
Burroughs declined to appear in the video, so the end result, instead, was the video that you see posted above.

The Burroughs/Cobain rape scene may have been planned as just part of the original montage that you see in the video posted here, what could be a montage, or collage, as discussed previously, of flashbacks/recovered memories of childhood traumatic ritual abuse:
ie:
-human sacrifice rituals,
-dead fetuses/baby sacrifice
- drug infused hallucinations (assuming that a great deal of such abuse is experienced while under the forced influence of various hallucinogenic mushrooms/chemicals/narcotics)

This could explain the 'psychedelic' nature of the setting that Cobain chooses for the video.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/heart_shaped_box.jpg
note the coffin like-black box reminiscent of the line "I've been locked inside your heart shaped box for weeks" (a possible reference to sensory deprivation/live burial ritual/ near death trauma)

Also among the grotesque imagery is that of the old man sustained
by an IV composed dead fetus blood/cells:

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/IV_baby.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/wickedwitch.jpg

This would appear to be a play on the same concept of life force sacrificed to be passed onto another, only in reverse.

In Cobain's original concept for the video , the old man's life force was to be ritualistically passed from old to young, in a 'shades of Alex Crowley sex magik' kind of way.

When Burroughs declined, that idea/scene was presumably scrapped and replaced, instead, with the image of the old man being crucified in some sort of ritualistic pagan/KKK cannibalistic cross-roasting ceremony. Again the same concept of passing the life force of the old to the young.

But in Cobain's final production, you see also this depiction of the young (fetal) life force sacrificed in passing to the old:

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/IV_baby.jpg

The ritual sacrifice of expendables, [ (expendables being the extremely old (invalids/the dying), and the extremely young (fetuses, sperm, eggs, zygotes)] may be the underlying theme, and source, of Cobain's traumatic recovered memories. All with the underlying theme of cannibalism.

quote:

http://thestygianport.blogspot.com/2009_01_01_archive.html

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/pierced_heart.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/blue_butterflys.jpg

The blue butterflies, mentioned above when the girls outfit changes to black, point back to an old post of mine about Monarch mind control programming which states:

Older victims were frequently tattooed for easy identification with a "so-called" Blue or other colored monarch butterfly. This practice became more or less obsolete in the early 1970's and was replaced by the victim wearing butterfly hair barrettes, large butterfly ear rings, pins, necklaces, bracelets, or embroidered insignias to "advertise" their art of expertise to knowledgeable abusers. This rule applies to 100% of the victims interviewed. - outpost-of-freedom.com

hunkahunka

11-10-2009, 04:20 PM

Quote:
Nicole Richie’s baby shower went off without a hitch in Beverly Hills yesterday. Richie’s mom, sister, and pals Paris Hilton and Masha Gordon played host to the Wizard of Oz themed shower. The party included life-size replicas of Dorothy, the scarecrow, the Wicked Witch of the West, the tinman and the lion. There was even a Wizard of Oz cake. Which begs the question – “why?” Kind of a kooky little theme, don’t you think?

Guests included Lauren Conrad and DJ Samantha Ronson (frequent pal of Lindsay Lohan) – in all, there were 90 guests. Richie has five more baby showers planned.
http://tv.popcrunch.com/nicole-richi...z-baby-shower/

interesting that Cobain's daughter Frances recently blogged an attack
rant on Lohan's sister:
http://trak.in/news/kurt-cobains-daughter-blasts-ali-lohan-on-twitter/12426/

also, unbelievable as it may seem, the following was reported by multiple, as in MANY, internet media sources:

Tim Burton offered Frances Bean Cobain the role of Alice in his upcoming
film Alice in Wonderland.

Frances Bean Cobain turned down role in Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland

The teenaged daughter of Courtney Love and late Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain was reportedly courted by director Tim Burton to star in his screen adaptation of 'Alice in Wonderland.' But she turned it down to focus on her education.

The teenaged daughter of Courtney Love and late Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain was reportedly courted by director Tim Burton to star in his screen adaptation of 'Alice in Wonderland.' But she turned it down to focus on her education.

17-year-old Frances Bean Cobain was considered to star in the title role, alongside Johnny Depp, Anne Hathaway and Helena Bonham Carter.

But a source is said to have told the UK's Mail on Sunday that Cobain rejected the part.
'Tim thought she would be perfect,' said the source, 'but she wants to go to university. She's incredibly focused and sensible.'

The role of Alice went to newcomer Mia Wasikowska. The film is set for a March 2010 release.

also in the works is a new Syfy miniseries called 'Alice', a science fiction
version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbvt1_ug0iQ&feature=related

This is the trailer for the new mini series from the award wining team that brought us "Tin Man" this new series premiers in december on the SYFY channel.

quote:
http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/6767

A First Look At Syfy's 'Alice'
Stars Caterina Scorsone, Kathy Bates, Matt Frewer and Colm Meaney
By MICHAEL HINMAN Oct-10-2009
alice10102009.jpg
Yeah, Tim Burton is making his version of "Alice in Wonderland," but it's nothing like what Syfy is putting together. And Burton doesn't have both Kathy Bates and Matt Frewer.

The new event will air Dec. 6-7 on Syfy, following the tradition of past end-of-the-year specials, including "Tin Man."

Many, many years after an Alice first disrupted Wonderland and the House of Cards, a new Alice makes her way into the new dimension, now played by Caterina Scorsone. She meets many of the classic characters, including the Queen of Hearts (Bates), the White Knight (Frewer), Caterpillar (Harry Dean Stanton), and special appearances by "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's" Colm Meaney as the KIng of Hearts and Alessandro Juliani from "Battlestar Galactica" as the 9 of Clubs.

The whole production was written and directed by Nick Willing, who directed the 2007 SciFi Channel event "Tin Man," as well as a 1999 made-for-TV version of "Alice in Wonderland."

Is this something to make plans to watch? Find out for yourself with this first-look trailer.

"Alice" airs for two nights beginning Dec. 6 at 8 p.m. ET on Syfy

hunkahunka

11-10-2009, 05:06 PM

http://www.heslingtonchurch.org.uk/images/methodist_logo.jpg
Methodist Church Fund logo

http://www.cremationofcare.com/images/icons/kkk_logo.PNG
KKK logo

http://www.methodist.org.uk/images/re_methodist_logo_lowres.gif

http://www.charityadvantage.com/fallbrookfoodpantry/images/Logo--United%20Methodist%20Church.jpg
United Methodist Church logo

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00795/ku-klux-klan_795316c.jpg

hunkahunka

11-10-2009, 05:28 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00116/george-h-w-bush_116047t.jpg
George H. W. Bush was the 41st President of the United States.

George H. W. Bush previously served as U.S. Vice-President from 1981-89 under Pres. Reagan.

George H. W. Bush was an Episcopalian. He served as Vice-President under an Episcopalian President.

Bush attended St. John's Episcopal while he was President.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01113/Bush2-460_1113852c.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

George W. Bush

Religion

Episcopalian (before 1977) [1]
United Methodist (after 1977)

hunkahunka

11-10-2009, 05:47 PM

soulja

11-10-2009, 07:07 PM

Lewis Carrol (author of Alice in Wonderland): Epsicopalian

Carrol and Baum were also Theosophists.

Baum wrote a play called The Uplift of Lucifer, or Raising Hell, which had its world premiere in Santa Barbara on 23 October 1915.

soulja

11-10-2009, 07:19 PM

interesting that Cobain's daughter Frances recently blogged an attack
rant on Lohan's sister:
http://trak.in/news/kurt-cobains-daughter-blasts-ali-lohan-on-twitter/12426/

also, unbelievable as it may seem, the following was reported by multiple, as in MANY, internet media sources:

Tim Burton offered Frances Bean Cobain the role of Alice in his upcoming
film Alice in Wonderland.

Frances Bean Cobain turned down role in Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland

The teenaged daughter of Courtney Love and late Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain was reportedly courted by director Tim Burton to star in his screen adaptation of 'Alice in Wonderland.' But she turned it down to focus on her education.

The teenaged daughter of Courtney Love and late Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain was reportedly courted by director Tim Burton to star in his screen adaptation of 'Alice in Wonderland.' But she turned it down to focus on her education.

17-year-old Frances Bean Cobain was considered to star in the title role, alongside Johnny Depp, Anne Hathaway and Helena Bonham Carter.

But a source is said to have told the UK's Mail on Sunday that Cobain rejected the part.
'Tim thought she would be perfect,' said the source, 'but she wants to go to university. She's incredibly focused and sensible.'

The role of Alice went to newcomer Mia Wasikowska. The film is set for a March 2010 release.

also in the works is a new Syfy miniseries called 'Alice', a science fiction
version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbvt1_ug0iQ&feature=related
.

http://www.masslive.com/images/weblogs/soundcheck/052605potd.jpg
Frances with her Mother

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Alice_in_Wonderland/mia_wasikowska_alice_in_wonderland.jpg
Mia Wasikowska

Wasikowska was born and raised in Canberra.[3] Growing up she studied ballet,[4] switching to full-time acting in 2006.[5] She has Polish ancestry.[4]

Wasikowska began her acting career in Australia and was nominated for a Young Actress AFI Award for her role in Suburban Mayhem.[3] She starred in several Australian short films, and also appeared in Rogue, an Australian horror movie.

In the United States, Wasikowska earned critical acclaim for her performance in HBO's In Treatment, playing Sophie, an aspiring Olympic gymnast who is sent to Gabriel Byrne's psychotherapist following an accident which is suspected to have been a suicide attempt. She followed that up with supporting roles in several American films. Wasikowska appeared in Defiance with Daniel Craig, the indie film That Evening Sun with Hal Holbrook, and then played the role of Elinor Smith, a young female aviator and fan of Amelia Earhart in Amelia, starring Hillary Swank.

In July 2008, after a long search, Wasikowska was chosen to play the title role in Tim Burton's interpretation of Alice in Wonderland,alongside Johnny Depp, Helena Bonham Carter and Anne Hathaway. In the film, the White Rabbit leads 19 year old Alice back to a Wonderland she no longer remembers, seeking her help to end the tyrannical rule of the Red Queen who has overthrown her sister, the White Queen. Unlike previous incarnations, Alice will evolve over the course of the new film into a more empowered heroine.

Wasikowska has joined the cast of the upcoming indie film The Kids Are All Right, playing the daughter of a same-sex couple (Annette Bening and Julianne Moore) who, together with her brother, sets out to find the biological father (Mark Ruffalo), throwing the family into turmoil.She is in final talks to star in Gus Van Sant's Restless, described as "a dark coming-of-age drama."

hunkahunka

13-10-2009, 05:01 AM

Serial killer Ted Bundy was a Methodist

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In the 1980s one of the most famous criminals was a serial killer named Ted (Theodore) R. Bundy. It is not publicly known why he killed so many innocent victims. Ted Bundy told his girlfriend Elizabeth Kendall that "the force" caused him to kill. Bundy’s confession to her was given after his final arrest in Florida. Elizabeth wrote down his confession as he gave it to her over the phone. Ted said, "I don’t have a split personality. I don’t have blackouts. I remember everything I’ve done. Like Lake Sammamish. We went out to Farrell’s for ice cream after eating hamburgers. It wasn’t like I had forgotten or couldn’t remember, but it was just over...gone...the force wasn’t pushing me any more. I don’t understand it. The force would just consume me." (Kendall, Elizabeth. The Phantom Prince My Life with Ted Bundy. Seattle: Madrona Publishers, 1981, p.176) "The force" is the very term that high level Satanists use to describe the power that they believe in, which they believe can be used for either good or evil. The movie Star Wars surprisingly used the Illuminati’s term "the force", which up until that time had been reserved for esoteric use by Satanism and the occult. This is part of the plan to take the occult and its goals and instill it into the public’s thinking and goals, so that the conspiracy becomes an "open conspiracy" with the general public promoting the drive toward witchcraft as the world religion and its One-World-Government.

Who was Ted, and why did he do what he did? There are a great number of unknowns about Ted. And although it appears to the public that the newspapers covered his crimes thoroughly, often appearances can be very deceiving. If Ted Bundy was reiated to the Bundy Family of the hierarchy, we could expect several things almost without doubt, 1. that his Satanic activities and any occult connotations to the murders would be kept very secret by the police, the newspapers, and his family, 2. that information about the case and Ted Bundy would be closely contained. Interestingly, when I recently went to research Ted Bundy, every copy (all four of them) of the book Ted Bundy: Conversations with a Killer by Stephen G. Michaud had been stolen from the Portland Central Library. One of the other books on him was also missing, and the other was overdue. The University library which is on a different library network was just as bad. I did my research across the border in Washington state. Another category of books that is consistently stolen I have been told by the library staff are books on Freemasonry. Consequently, the Portland Central Library has a policy that interlibrary loan books on Freemasonry cannot be taken out of the library, even though the lending library doesn’t mind if they are checked out. Another example of how books relating to Satanism or the Satanic conspiracy become rare is when I checked the Thurston Co. WA library’s computerized system for Anton LeVey’s Satanic Bible. Of the system’s 18 copies, 14 were lost (I assume stolen), one was listed "trace", and three were being held by the libraries (that is, they were not out on the shelves).

Before proceeding any further, let me categorically state that I haven’t found anything that ties Ted Bundy in with the top Satanic family of the Bundys, nor have I found anything that disproves it either. I don’t know either way. Still there are some interesting items about Theodore Bundy. (Perhaps someone else will be motivated do the genealogy work, and save me the work.) Ted was a law student. One of the schools he studied law at was University of Puget Sound, WA. A major reason he did so poorly in law school was the immense stress that took place in his life in connection to the time and effort he put into murdering beautiful women. Yet, his poor academic performances were no barrier to his political success. Ted does have a number of items that seem suspicious. First, Ted drove all the way from Washington state to Miami, FL to take part in Nelson Rockefeller’s 1968 campaign. He was a big Rockefeller fan. Ted was appointed Assistant Chairman of the Washington State Republican Central Committee, Ted travelled in elite social circles, and was preparing for a campaign for Ted to run for State Governor. For instance in 1973, he was part of the Republican State Committee. He may have been on this committee in other years too. (Ironically, Ted Bundy had served briefly on the Seattle Crime Commission on a Study of White Collar Crime.) For whatever reasons-whether it be elite connections or his winning personality, it is certain that he had a big political career in front of him as a young person if he had not blown things. Second, almost all the serial killers have had connections to Satanism and in every case the media and the police have suppressed or greatly downplayed their connections to Freemasonry and Satanism. For instance, Charles Manson (Freemason, O.T.O. & Satanism), Sam of Sam Berkowitz (O.T.O. & Satanism), Jack the Ripper (Freemason), and Henry Lee Lucas (Satanism). Could it be that Ted Bundy had a Satanic side to him? I haven’t seen anything that shows that he wasn’t a Satanist. He did join the Mormon church during the middle of time period of years when he was murdering innocent women, but his motive for joining certainly had nothing to do with sincerely serving God.

I have learned that Ted had an interest in Astrology. Perhaps the closest person to Ted Bundy, his longtime girlfriend Elizabeth Kendall, wrote in her book The Phantom Prince My Life with Ted Bundy that she didn’t know why he brutally killed so many women. She was aware that he liked bondage-type sexual arrangements. But the inner workings of Ted’s mind were a mystery to her. And Ted was capable of some of the biggest lying and yet coming across totally honest. (This type of lying goes on everyday by the Illuminati members who as a habit make boldface lies to the public.) Ted Bundy was adopted by his father Johnnie Bundy, who was a dentist in the northwest area of Washington State. What is this main branch of Bundy’s that we are speculating that Ted’s father might or might not be tied to? The original Bundy family came to the New World before 1635 to Boston, MS. A few years later they moved to Taunton, MS. A large branch of these Bundys went to Connecticut, and later a few went on to New York. Another group of colonial American Bundys were in North Carolina. The particular members of the Bundy family that are prominent in the New World Order today, are the one’s who would have inherited the position of authority over the family if Satanic tradition had been followed. The Bundy family was an old American family that was part of the Eastern establishment, but with only a few exceptions like Congressman Solomon Bundy in the early 19th century, the family has only come into the public’s eye during the twentieth century. This family also surfaces in not so prominent places too. Two of the key early Watchtower Society leaders were Bundys. These were Walter H. Bundy, who went with Charles Taze Russell to Great Britain on his May 29-31, 1909 trip, and Edwin Bundy who worked at the Bethel Headquarter at the turn of the century and travelled around the U.S. for the Watchtower Society from 1906 to 1910. The following is my own Who’s Who of the Bundy Illuminati family. After this list introducing our cast of characters, this article will get back to discussing the Bundys.

hunkahunka

13-10-2009, 07:29 PM

Excerpts from Chapter 21:

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Drugs and the Monarch Project

On August 18-20, 1996, a California newspaper, the San Jose Mercury, published a series of articles implicating elements of the U.S. government in running tons of cocaine into U.S. cities during the 1980s. Based upon recently declassified government documents, eyewitness reports, and court records, Mercury reporter Gary Webb provided a detailed account of how the Contras financed their war against the Sandinista regime of Nicaragua by flying tons of cocaine into the West Coast, where it would be turned into the deadly, instantly addictive "crack," and sold to such street gangs as the Cryps and the Bloods.

All of this began after the U.S. Congress in the early 1980s passed the Boland Amendment, which stopped all official financing for U.S. intelligence's "covert war" in Nicaragua. The whole project was taken "off-line," and financed by drug sales-the subject of Webb's articles.

Indignation exploded when Mercury series hit the streets. Maxine Waters, Congresswoman for South-Central Los Angeles, one of the areas hardest hit by crack and drug-related violence, sent a letter to Central Intelligence Agency chief John Deutsch demanding an investigation of the Agency, in which she said, "As someone who has seen how the crack cocaine trade has devastated the South-Central Los Angeles community, I cannot exaggerate my feelings of dismay that my own government may have played a part in the origins and history of this problem. . . . The impact and the implications of the Meneses/Blandon/Roiss Contra CIA crack cocaine connection cannot be understated. We all have an obligation to get to the very bottom of the origin, development, and implementation of this seedy enterprise."

While many were shocked at the news of apparent U.S. government drug-pushing, to me it was one more confirmation of a key aspect of the Franklin case. As I had discovered early on (as had Gary Caradori), the sexual abuse of children was only one part of the Franklin story. During the 1980s, many of the children, such as Alisha Owen and Paul Bonacci, said that they had been used as drug couriers to bring cocaine in from the West Coast for Alan Baer, Larry King, and others.

Then, on September 11, 1996, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Representative Harold James, chairman of Pennsylvania's Legislative Black Caucus, and a former undercover narcotics cop himself, also put out a call for an investigation. In the course of that press conference another name popped up, that I knew well from the Franklin investigation: George Bush. Flanked by political leaders of both the city and the state, James declared: "As a retired undercover Philadelphia police officer who worked on narcotics cases, I know we can better impact the flow of drugs if we stop drugs from coming into this country, arrest those at the top levels of control, and punish the white-collar dealers who try to keep their hands clean while they run the entire operation. On this occasion, we must not allow anyone to use the 'pretext of national security to accomplish another cover-up. We need an investigation that goes right to the top."

As to where the "top" might be, James charged, in his release to the press, "previous investigations of the Iran-Contra scandal, particularly the U.S. House and Senate joint hearings in 1987, revealed the central role played by then Vice-President George Bush in covert intelligence operations. . . . One of Bush's key lieutenants was Oliver North. Bush was also appointed by Reagan to run the National Narcotics Border Interdiction Sys- tem, which supposedly coordinated efforts of all federal, state and local anti-drug agencies, especially along the south Florida coast. Bush was responsible for the White House anti-drug effort while, at the same time, according to the recent newspaper reports, tons of cocaine were allegedly supplied to street gangs by CIA-related networks."

Concluded James, "There's something wrong with this picture." In response to a question from one of the ten reporters in attendance about the role of Bush, Philadelphia City Council President John Street replied, "If George Bush is involved in it, someone should find it out. This kind of activity has been going on for well over a decade."

Lt. Col. Oliver North - whom at least one witness reported seeing at a party thrown by Larry King-had overseen the Contra resupply effort, and had been fully aware of the plane-loads of drugs coming into the United States. A U.S. Senate subcommittee report under Massachusetts Senator John Kerry cited extensive evidence that the Contras were involved in drugs, and North had noted the fact in his publicly exposed note-books.

From what I know from my own corner of the world, there is excellent reason to investigate Bush for possible involvement in the dope business. Think back to what I reported in Chapter 13, "The Washington Connection," about how George Bush and Larry King were linked in multiple ways, including eyewitness reports placing Bush at King's sex parties. Think about the constant rumors that King was financing the Contras, who have now been proved to have been running dope by the ton.

The first investigative reporter to ever look at Franklin, the World Herald's James Flanery, told associates that King was "running guns and money into Nicaragua," and that the CIA was heavily involved. (Flanery was soon taken off the story and shipped out of state for a year.)

Records exist to show that Larry King was a top contributor to a Contra "support committee," the Citizens for America (CFA). King's own public relations firm was also used by the Contras.

I became convinced early on that King was deeply involved with the Contras. I am reminded of the phone call State Senator Loran Schmit received on the Senate floor as the Franklin case was just beginning to break. The caller warned him off the case, because "it would lead to the highest levels of the Republican party." I am reminded of when Larry King was finally arrested-just as he was about to go to a breakfast party in Omaha for his buddy, George Bush! I am reminded of the reports I used to hear that certain people in Omaha were charging that Omaha Police Chief Bob Wadman was protecting the expansion of the Cryps and Bloods into Omaha-far from their home turf of Los Angeles.

So, was Larry King's buddy George Bush the country's "drug kingpin" in the 1980s? I don't know. But what I do know, is that if Bush were running the Contra affair, and drugs were a big part of it, that would certainly jibe 100% with everything known or rumored about Bush, Larry King, and the Franklin Credit Union. Congresswoman Maxine Waters and Representative Harold James are right - let's investigate!

As follow-up investigation from the Franklin case shows, drugs are not the deepest level of government -sponsored evil. I think the lowest level of Hell is reserved for those who conjured up and carried out the "Monarch Project."

"Monarch" refers to young people in America who were victims of mind control experiments run either by U.S. government agencies such 'as the Central Intelligence Agency, or military intelligence agencies.

The story told by Monarch victims - one of whom is Paul Bonacci - is that they were tortured for the purpose of creating "multiple personalities" within them. These multiple personalities could then be programmed as desired - as spies, "drug mules," prostitutes, or assassins.

Because of legal cases still pending, I am severely limited in what I can say about the Monarch Project. Suffice it to say at this point:

Major intelligence programs in this country did and do exist for the purpose of protection of this country and to learn what other countries, particularly our Cold War enemies, were doing in this area of mind control.

I asked Bill Colby to tell me what he could or would, about this. He said:

"Of course the CIA in particular was involved in investigating, learning and, on occasion, using, everything we could learn about mind control-and with extremely good reason. Following the Korean War, this country's military and intelligence communities went through a period of absolute paranoia about just how far our enemies were ahead of us in mind control and related activities.

"There was no particular program called' Monarch,' contrary to what you want to think. 'Monarch' was merely a name that some participants in the program-who knew very little about it, other than from their own limited participation-were given to identify themselves. But, as far as the CIA was concerned, there was no such program named 'Monarch.'

"But, with respect to mind control, I will tell you that this country spent millions upon millions supposedly catching up to our Cold War adversaries, because we believed they had developed mind control technology which exceeded anything we had. In fact, we at the Company [CIA] truly believed for a substantial period of time, that technology and techniques and drugs had been developed by Russia which would enable them to have agents who in fact really were able to have and use ESP-extra sensory perception.

"Can you imagine," Bill continued, "how dangerous for this country it would be if you could have had someone meeting the President of the United States, who was actually able to read what was in the President's mind?

"I know," Bill continued, "it may sound silly today to get all carried away with this fear; but I can tell you that we took it all very seriously and believed this ESP thing for some significant time period.

"I will tell you one other thing," Bill said, somewhat ominously, "we are not behind in knowledge of mind control. In fact, we never were, but we only found that out much later, after we had poured incredible resources into this area. And yes, I am sure, there were some problems and abuses that occurred and we will talk about them at another time."

We did have that other talk. And, I intend, when I am freed from court restrictions, to tell that entire story in an upcoming book. I have deposited extensive documentation on the Monarch Project with people who have the means, the motivation, and, most importantly, the guts, to print the entire story, should I suffer an "accident" before I get around to it. Here, I will merely quote from the work of one of America's finest investigative reporters, Anton Chaitkin.

I had known of Chaitkin, who writes for Executive Intelligence Review magazine, from the book he co-authored with Webster Tarpley, George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography. This 659-page-book is a devastating expose of Bush, and it played a notable role in helping to shape the 1992 presidential campaign, which Bush happily lost.

Perhaps it was because the name "Bush" was all over the Franklin scandal, that Chaitkin showed up one day in my Lincoln law office. I told him, "Look, I know you have been in some tough spots before, but are you really sure you want to poke around in this? This question of 'mind control' - the Monarch Project - is the most scary and, dangerous thing I have ever encountered." As I came to know Anton, probably all that little lecture did was to spur him on. Chaitkin got his story on the Monarch Project, and printed it in the December 13, 1993, New Federalist newspaper under the headline, "Franklin Case Witnesses Implicate FBI and U.S. Elites in Child-Torture and Murder." Here follows an abbreviated version of that article:

What is the FBI protecting?

Since the 1992 publication of John DeCamp's book, The Franklin Cover-Up, Paul Bonacci has filed new affidavits and has given extensive interviews to investigators including reporters for Executive Intelligence Review and New Federalist. Bonacci's disclosures have been cross-gridded with evidence supplied by authorities in law enforcement, psychiatry, and the intelligence community. The result goes a long way to explain the high stakes involved, and the frantic nature of the Franklin cover-up. . . .

Paul Bonacci has described in detail being dragged to Washington for use as a sex toy for Larry King's clients. Bonacci told investigators he was in one of the private White House tours for young male prostitutes conducted by lobbyist Craig Spence, a close political associate of Larry King in the cloak-and-dagger Contras enterprise. Spence turned up dead in a Boston hotel room in 1989, soon after his and King's "compromising" business was exposed in a Washington Times June 29, 1989 story, headlined: "Homosexual Prostitution Inquiry Ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush."

'Monarch': or, Auschwitz - Take 2

From very early childhood, Paul Bonacci was subjected to tortures as profound as any the Nazis inflicted on their captives. This is not merely a comparison; rather it is an actual continuation, as we shall see. From sexual degradation, from witnessing and forced participation in Satanic cult murders, Bonacci suffered the cracking of his mind into what is called "multiple personality disorder" (MPD). Tens of thousands of American children have been diagnosed MPDs; virtually all of them are thought to have resulted from sexual abuse, of which perhaps 85 percent were cases of Satanic ritual abuse.

Psychiatric professionals specified in Paul Bonacci's legal proceedings that through it all, Paul's different "personalities" have emerged incapable of lying, with an ultra-sharp memory. In one instance detailed in The Franklin Cover- Up, Paul was taken by Larry King and others to a wooded area in California - identified after publication as the Bohemian Grove. There Paul and another boy were forced to do sex acts with and to consume parts of a child whom they had watched being murdered by the cultists. The body was to be disposed of by "the men with the hoods." A "snuff" pornography film was made of these events; it was directed by a man the party had picked up in Las Vegas whom Paul identified as "Hunter Thompson" -the same name as a well known sleaze-culture figure.

Paul has told investigators that the ring which plunged him into Satanism was centered at Offutt U.S. Air Force Base near Omaha; that he was taken to Offutt to be sexually victimized by a babysitter's boyfriend when he was about three years old, around 1970. Offutt is the headquarters for the Strategic Air Command, and has had a cadre of thousands of intelligence personnel.

At Offutt, and later at other military installations, Paul says this ring "trained" him by tortures, heavy drugging, and sexual degradation, while instructing him in military arts including assassination. In fact, his personal knowledge in these realms can scarcely be accounted for other than by crediting the indictments he has made.

Larry King, FBI agent Gerry Wahl/ Alan Baer, Harold Andersen, and former Omaha Police Chief Robert Wadman have all been reported as collaborators with this Satanic military-based ring. King reportedly told Paul's captors at Offutt, "He's young-but you trained him good." A member of Nebraska's Concerned Parents group reported hearing from two North Omaha witnesses that "King used to send limousines down to Offutt Air Base to pick up CIA agents for parties." Larry King reported his own adoring relationship to the late CIA Director William Casey in a Sept. 7, 1988, interview in the Omaha publication Metropolitan.

Psychiatrists who have treated a growing number of MPD cases, victims of Satanic ritual abuse, report an alarming pattern of findings in many of their child patients. There is a structure to the personalities, conforming to what is evidently a deliberate breaking and reshaping of the mind. This phenomenon was identified to Paul Bonacci by his tormenters, and to other victims and witnesses, as the "Monarch" project. At Offutt Airbase, Paul was told that what he and other children were being subjected to was in aid of national security.

The use of mind-altering drugs, sensory deprivation, and other brainwashing techniques on U.S. citizens as subjects was the admitted practice of the CIA, certain military arms and private institutions joined in the MK-ULTRA, Artichoke, and Bluebird projects beginning in the early 1950s. A national security pretext often cited was the need to keep up with the Soviets in the race to develop a workable Manchurian Candidate human robot. With the "Monarch" (or whatever official title may be attached to it) project, the idea is extended to the production of a horde of children in whom the soul is crushed, who would spy, whore, kill, and commit suicide.

The material presented here, on this subject, must be under- stood to be only a bare introduction to a complex story with immense political and strategic ramifications. It is a beginning. Professionals probing the child victims of "Monarch" say there are clearly two responsible elements at work: the government/military, and cooperating Satanic (or more exactly pagan) cults. These are multi-generation groups, where parents donate their own children-who are proudly called "bloodline" or simply "blood" cultists - to be smashed with drugs and electric shock, and shaped. Other children are kidnapped and sold into this hell, or are brought in gradually through day-care situations.

Paul Bonacci and other child victims have given evidence in great depth on the central role of Lt. Co!. Michael Aquino in this depravity. Aquino, alleged to have recently retired from an active military role, was long the leader of an Army psycho- logical warfare section which drew on his "expertise" and personal practices in brainwashing, Satanism, Nazism, homo- sexual pedophilia and murder.

A former director of the CIA was asked directly, "what about 'Monarch' "? He replied angrily, and ambiguously, "We stopped that between the late 1960s and the early 1970s." If a statement of fact, this would presumably relate to official participation of the CIA.

Some Codes and Assignments

The disclosures of Paul Bonacci, which cohere with reports of MPD professionals in other cases, point to a particular artificially induced mental structure as common to many victimized children. Space permits only the briefest treatment of this here; this is intended mainly to begin to "blow the circuits," so to speak, when followed up by professional therapists and investigators.

These are some of the widely occurring separate "persons" which have been formed under torture, and the corresponding "triggers":

. General personality-accessible under the code name ALPHA, with possible Alpha-001, Alpha-009, etc. "persons" with distinct task orientations.

. Sex programs, accessible through code name BETA; particular programs (and thus commands) are for pornography, acting, oral sex, etc.

. Assassination programs, utilizing very specific modes, and espionage, accessible through code DELTA.

. OMEGA, self-destruction programs, ranging from self mutilation to suicide by many different specific possible acts.

. GAMMA, system deception, amnesia and disinformation programs. Under this or 'other codes are track-covering false origins for the structure, giving the child memories of tormenters dressed as space aliens or Mickey Mouse or in Wizard of Oz costumes.

There are said to be such other personality levels as Master Programmer, Black Master, and different mental levels of backup programs. There are reported to be personnel who have large numbers of child-victims' assignments and triggers neatly filed in their little computers.

Paul Bonacci reports the following "Monarch"-related activities, often involving his "Commander" at Offutt AFB, Bill Plemmons, and Lt. Co!. Michael Aquino:

. Picking up cash in exchange for drugs at various Tennessee locations. Bonacci identifies several country music personalities as contacts.

. Trips on behalf of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), the pedophile group now given semi- official status by the United Nations. Paul cites travel to the Netherlands and Germany carrying child pornography for sub- sequent "import" to the U.S.A. to avoid prosecution. In Amsterdam, he names "Charles Hester," and the British "Tommie Carter," who had on computer a global list of child pornography users. NAMBLA is also cited for organizing auctions of children.

. Travel to Hawaii, New York, Washington (in connection with Craig Spence) to compromise public figures by performing homosexual pedophile sex with them.

. The trip to California where the boy was ritually murdered, accompanied by "Monarch" contact, Mark Johnson of Denver, Colorado,

. Travel to .Mexico for the transportation of drugs, guns, and children. Paul was accompanied by the gangster-figure "Emilio," who otherwise directed the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch of Des Moines, Iowa. Johnny Gosch's parents commend Paul Bonacci as an accurate witness relative to that crime.

. Training under "Captain Foster" (survival skills) at Fort Riley, Kansas, under "Lt. Dave Bannister" (intelligence) at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, under "Col. Harris Livik" at Fort Defiance, Virginia, who is said to run a military school and to have housed "Monarch" boys. "Col. Bill Risher" of Bamberg, South Carolina, is said to have supplied children for Michael Aquino.

. Travel to Dresden in communist East Germany, where weapons were inspected. There and in the Federal Republic of Germany, the "Monarch" personnel were frequently neo-Nazis. This milieu is a special project of Lt. Col. Aquino, who was a West European adviser to the U.S. Chiefs of Staff. Paul Bonacci has extensive experience in the Aryan Nation and other White Supremacist cults.

An account of the origin of the "Monarch" project has been compiled by those who have been debriefing MPD child-victims. Nazi experimentation in World War II concentration camps were said to have gone beyond simply insane physical tortures. They brainwashed people, for military and strategic purposes. After the war, Allen Dulles and other Western intelligence people brought Nazi doctors out for use in the United States. A teenaged concentration camp inmate named Greenbaum, who had participated to save himself, also came to the United States. Known later as "Dr. Green," he became a high- level brainwasher, and is widely represented in brainwashing programs with a distinctive Cabalistic magic theme.

The precise details of these horrors lie deeply buried in national security archives. But this history, as told to psychiatrists, dovetails with what is definitively known about Anglo- American intelligence operations and the German Nazis. And once again, the story goes right back to Nebraska.

The killers in the Nazi camps were themselves trained and organized by psychiatrists and eugenicists, operating from the "T4" bureau. These psychiatrists had long been the pets of white supremacist British and American financier networks.

At least some of these Nazi doctors were spirited out of Germany under the supervision of for Bank of England Governor Montagu Norman and Tavistock Institute Director John R. Rees on behalf of the British government. Norman, personally an insane Theosophist who had been chief of the prewar pro-Nazi faction within England, and Rees organized postwar propaganda and continuing psychological warfare activities, and created "Orwellian" groupings within U.S. psychiatry and mental health fields.

Epilogue

I finally understood the true meaning of the Franklin case one night in early 1996. Watching television and skipping through the channels, I came upon the movie Billy Budd. Instantly I zeroed in on this movie, and my heart, rather than the channels, started skipping.

By the time the movie ended, the Franklin cover-up made sense. Alisha Owen's imprisonment for telling the truth made sense. The protection of the perpetrators by our highest public officials, finally made sense. I understood, also, why it was necessary to discredit me, John DeCamp, and to kill Gary Caradori, with his eight-year-old son. Any nagging doubts I may have had about any aspects of Paul Bonacci's charges were laid to rest. And it was clear to me, at last, that public officials at all levels knew Paul was telling the truth, as they set out to destroy him.

Where did the blinding revelation come from? Let me go back a few months, to my last attempt to get a new trial for Alisha Owen. At that hearing, Troy Boner, who had originally told Gary Caradori the truth, and who had been forced to recant, was preparing to testify - to tell the truth as you read it in his affidavit in Chapter 21. Troy Boner was going to provide the information in open court, under oath, that would blow the lid off the Franklin case and force a new trial for Alisha Owen.

As Troy came into the courthouse, he was immediately ushered into a private room by county judicial authorities. He was advised that a "Special Attorney" had been appointed to protect him. For approximately one hour, while the hearing was delayed, Troy was cornered in a room with this "Special Attorney" and with other officials from the prosecutor's office, the very same prosecutorial team Troy was about to testify against.

When Troy came out of the meeting, I knew he was broken, his morale smashed. His head hung down. He could not, or would not look at anyone.

As I approached Troy, his new court-appointed attorney tried to step between us. With probably the last ounce of courage he could muster, Troy leaned over and whispered to me, "Oh God, forgive me. They guaranteed if I talk here today, they will put me away for twenty years. Guaranteed I would never see the light of day again. Told me that I would be charged with perjury for my original testimony, if I opened my mouth today in court. Don't ~all me up there. I can't survive in prison. I know they can put me there. Look what they did to Alisha. Look what they did to my brother. I've got no choice. They told me I had to take the Fifth Amendment and refuse to testify. Otherwise, they promised I would be taken directly from court to jail"

We all proceeded into the court room, where I called Troy to the stand. I showed Troy his affidavit. He hung his head, and when I asked my first question, "Would you please state your name?" Troy responded, "I take the Fifth Amendment," an answer he repeated, in a barely audible voice, to all my other questions.
It was hopeless. I ceased my questioning, and shortly thereafter the hearing ended.

I walked back to the judge's chambers to clear up any final details. Judge Enbody had been specially appointed by the Nebraska State Supreme Court to this hearing, which I had won from the Supreme Court based on Troy's new information. (The next day I learned that he had been appointed to the Court of Appeals-a very substantial advancement in his career.)

Sitting in Judge Enbody's chambers, with my head hung so low it was hitting my shoestrings, I was given the key to unlock the meaning of Franklin. "I do not understand it, Your Honor," I kept repeating. "As God is my witness, I do not think that there is a judge or other person involved in this case who does not know that horrible injustice has been done. Everybody knows that Alisha Owen is telling the truth and that she is being punished for it. And, Your Honor, a person has to be deaf, dumb, blind, and totally dishonest, not to know that some of this state's and nation's top businessmen and public officials have engaged in the worst crimes possible, which are now being covered up. And these kids, instead of being honored and protected for exposing these things, are being sent to prison. Why? Why? Why?"

Judge Enbody looked at me. Slowly, his voice shaking, he began to talk.

"I am just a man. I am not a god. I wish I were. I have no choice in what I have done. I am just a man, just a man, not a god. I am doing what I must do with the evidence before me," Judge Enbody concluded. He appeared even more shaken and upset than I was.

I shook my head. "I don't understand. I just don't understand," I kept repeating. "Everybody knows what is happening, but nobody is willing to do anything about it. Why? Why?!!" Judge Enbody looked at me and said, very slowly, "If you want to understand the entire Franklin case, I can help you. Go read 'Billy Budd.' Read 'Billy Budd.' If you will do that, John, and if you understand the book, then you will understand the what and why of Franklin, and why it can be no other way. I do not say you will like it. I do not say you will agree with it. But at least you will understand it. That, I promise you. Go read 'Billy Budd'."

Those were the last words I spoke with the Judge on the case. I left his chambers, burnt out, but angry. And I forgot all about Billy Budd, until the night I happened upon the movie. The story of Billy Budd is set in the British Navy near the end of the eighteenth century. Billy was a young sailor, who, although impressed into the British Navy, bore no ill will to the authorities for having dragooned him; indeed, he was the very picture of innocence and good-will, and was almost universally loved aboard his war-ship. One officer, however, developed an insane jealousy of Billy, and set out to frame him up for allegedly inciting mutiny. Since there had been several notorious mutinies in the British fleet at the time, the mere whisper of "mutiny" was enough to spread panic among the ship's officers.

To make a long story short, because of certain incriminating appearances in the case, the captain and his senior officers, although they knew Billy was innocent of all charges, nonetheless sentenced him to hang, a necessity - as they viewed it - to "save the system," not just on their own ship, but in the British fleet as a whole.

Now I think I do understand the Franklin case. I know, now, that all the public officials involved in Franklin-whether they ever heard of Billy Budd or not-fully understood what they were doing.

And what they all have done, and will continue to do in this case, Franklin, and no doubt many others like it, is this: Protect the "system" at all costs. The "system" is the only ultimate sacred cow-not any particular law or constitution, but only "the system." Because, ultimately, it is the system which makes certain that the individuals functioning within it - from judges to lawyers, to prosecutors, to politicians, to businessmen - have their places and positions, and opportunities and pecking order, and future.

And, though it is unfortunate, that on occasion the protection of the "system" requires the deliberate sacrifice of perfectly innocent people, that is hoped overall to be the exception rather than the rule. But without the "system" . .

So, Judge Enbody, now I understand. And, as you said, I may not agree, but I do understand.

But then I have one final, nagging question. How do I know when, or if, the "system" itself has become so corrupted, that evil is the rule, rather than the exception? And when that occurs, what do I do about it?
But I think I know the answer to that one - my oId commanding officer in Vietnam told me what I had to do. I made some promises to Bill, and I intend to keep them.

Read more: gnosticliberationfront.com

hunkahunka

13-10-2009, 07:38 PM

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin

Chapter -XXI- Omaha

On the morning of June 29, 1989, pandemonium erupted in the corridors of power in the nation's capital. ``Homosexual Prostitution Probe Ensnares Official of Bush, Reagan,'' screamed the front-page headline of the Washington Times with the kicker ``Call Boys Took Midnight Tour of White House.''

The Times reported, ``A homosexual prostitution ring is under investigation by federal and District authorities and includes among its clients key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, military officers, congressional aides and U.S. and foreign businessmen with close ties to Washington's political elite.''

The exposeé centered on the role of one Craig Spence, a Republican powerbroker known for his lavish ``power cocktail'' parties. Spence was well connected. He celebrated Independence Day 1988 by conducting a midnight tour of the White House in the company of two teenage male prostitutes among others in his party.

Rumors circulated that a list existed of some 200 Washington prominents who had used the call boy service. The Number Two in charge of personnel affairs at the White House, who was responsible for filling all the top civil service posts in the federal bureaucracy, and Secretary of Labor Elizabeth Dole's chief of staff, were two individuals publicly identified as patrons of the call boy ring.

Two of the ring's call boys were allegedly KGB operatives, according to a retired general from the Defense Intelligence Agency interviewed by the press. But the evidence seemed to point to a CIA sexual blackmail operation, instead. Spence's entire mansion was covered with hidden microphones, two-way mirrors and video cameras, ever ready to capture the indiscretions of Washington's high, mighty and perverse. The political criteria for proper sexual comportment had long been established in Washington: Any kinkiness goes, so long as you don't get caught. The popular proverb was that the only way a politician could hurt his career was if he were ``caught with a dead woman or a live boy'' in his bed.

Months after the scandal had died down, and a few weeks before he allegedly committed suicide, Spence was asked who had given him the ``key'' to the White House. The Washington Times reported that ``Mr. Spence hinted the tours were arranged by `top level' persons, including Donald Gregg, national security advisor to Vice President Bush''@s1 and later U.S. ambassador to South Korea.

We have already had occasion to examine Don Gregg's role in Iran-Contra, and have observed his curious performance when testifying under oath before congressional committees. Gregg indignantly denied any connection to Spence, yet it is public record that Spence had sponsored a dinner in Gregg's honor in the spring of 1989 at Washington's posh Four Seasons Hotel in Georgetown.

George Bush was less than pleased with the media coverage of the prostitution charges and kept abreast of the scandal as it mushroomed. The Washington Times reported in an article titled ``White House Mute on Call Boy Scandal,'' that ``White House sources confirmed that President Bush has followed the story of the late night visit and Mr. Spence's links to a homosexual prostitution ring under investigation by federal authorities since they were disclosed June 29 in the Washington Times. But top officials will not discuss the story's substance, reportedly even among themselves.

``Press officers have rebuffed repeated requests to obtain Mr. Bush's reaction and decline to discuss investigations or fall out from the disclosures.''@s2 By midsummer, the scandal had been buried. The President had managed to avoid giving a single press conference where he would surely have been asked to comment.

As the call boy ring affair dominated the cocktail gossip circuit in Washington, another scandal, halfway across the country in the state of Nebraska, peaked. Again this scandal knocked on the President's door.

A black Republican who had been a leader in organizing minority support for the President's 1988 campaign and who proudly displayed a photo of himself and the President, arm in arm, in his Omaha home, was at the center of a sex and money scandal that continues to rock the Cornhusker state.

The scandal originated with the collapse of the minority-oriented Franklin Community Credit Union in Omaha, directed by Lawrence E. King, Jr., a nationally influential black Republican who sang the national anthem at both the 1984 and 1988 Republican conventions. King became the subject of the Nebraska Senate's investigation conducted by the specially created ``Franklin Committee'' to probe charges of embezzlement. In November 1988, King's offices were raided by the FBI and $40 million was discovered missing. Within weeks, the Nebraska Senate, which initially opened the inquiry to find out where the money had gone, instead found itself questioning young adults and teenagers who said that they had been child prostitutes. Social workers and state child-care administrators accused King of running a child prostitution ring. The charges grew with the former police chief of Omaha, the publisher of the state's largest daily newspaper, and several other political associates of King, finding themselves accused of patronizing the child prostitution ring.

King is now serving a 15-year federal prison sentence for defrauding the Omaha-based credit union. But the magazines Avvenimenti of Italy and Pronto of Spain, among others, have charged that King's crimes were more serious: that he ran a national child prostitution ring that serviced the political and business elite of both Republican and Democratic parties. Child victims of King's operations charged him with participation in at least one satanic ritual murder of a child several years ago. The Washington Post, New York Times, Village Voice and National Law Journal covered the full range of accusations after the story broke in November of 1988. King's money machinations were also linked to the Iran-Contra affair, and some say that King provided the CIA with information garnered from his alleged activities as a ``pimp'' for the high and mighty.

Pronto, the Barcelona-based, largest circulation weekly in Spain with 4.5 million readers, reported that the Lawrence E. King child prostitution scandal ``appears to directly implicate politicos of the state of Nebraska and Washington, D.C. who are very close to the White House and George Bush himself.''

The weekly stated that Roy Stephens, a private investigator who has worked on the case and heads the Missing Youth Foundation, ``says there is reason to believe that the CIA is directly implicated,'' and that the ``FBI refuses to help in the investigation and has sabotaged any efforts'' to get to the bottom of the story. Stephens says that ``Paul Bonnacci directly accused President Bush of being implicated'' in the affair when he testified before the Franklin Committee.@s3 Bonnacci, who had been one of the child prostitutes, is identified by leading child-abuse experts as a well-informed, credible witness.

Lawrence King was no stranger to President Bush. And Lawrence King was no stranger to Craig Spence. Several of the Omaha child prostitutes testified that they had traveled to Washington, D.C. with King in private planes to attend political events which were followed by sex parties. King and Spence had much in common. Not only were they both Republican Party activists but they had gone into business together procuring prostitutes for Washington's elite.

Bush's name had repeatedly surfaced in the Nebraska scandal. But his name was first put into print in July 1989, a little less than a month after the Washington call boy affair had first made headlines. Omaha's leading daily newspaper reported, ``One child, who has been under psychiatric care, is said to believe she saw George Bush at one of King's parties.''@s4

A full three years after the scandal had first made headlines, Bush's name again appeared in print. Gentleman's Quarterly (GQ) carried a lengthy article, viewed by many political observers in Nebraska as an attempt to refute the charges which would not die, despite the termination of all official inquiries. The GQ piece disputed the allegations as a conspiracy theory that went out of control and resonated because of some mystical sociological phenomena allegedly unique to Nebraskan rural folk who will believe anything and burn ``with the mistrust of city life that once inflamed the prairie with populist passion.'' Numerous polls over the last few years have recorded over 90% saying they believe there has been a ``cover up'' of the truth.

GQ reported that yes, there was theft, corruption and homosexuality in this story, ``but no children were ever involved in this case.'' In fact, ``the only child even mentioned was a 9-year-old boy, whom the least reliable of Caradori's witnesses claimed to have seen in the company of George Bush at one of Larry King's Washington parties.''

Gary Caradori was a retired state police investigator who had been hired by the Nebraska Senate to investigate the case, and who had died mysteriously during the course of his investigations.@s5

Sound crazy? Not to Steve Bowman, an Omaha businessman who is compiling a book about the Franklin money and sex scandal. ``We do have some credible witnesses who say that `Yes, George Bush does have a problem.'... Child abuse has become one of the epidemics of the 1990s,'' Bowman told GQ. Allegedly, one of Bowman's sources is a retired psychiatrist who worked for the CIA. He added that cocaine trafficking and political corruption were the other principal themes of his book.@s6

It didn't sound crazy to Peter Sawyer either. An Australian conservative activist who publishes a controversial newsletter, Inside News, with a circulation of 200,000, dedicated his November 1991 issue entirely to the Nebraska scandal, focusing on President Bush's links to the affair. In a section captioned, ``The Original Allegations: Bush First Named in 1985,'' Sawyer writes,

"Stories about child sex and pornography first became public knowledge in 1989, following the collapse of the Franklin Credit Union. That is not when the allegations started, however. Indeed, given the political flavor of the subsequent investigations, it would be easy to dismiss claims that George Bush had been involved. He was by then a very public figure...."

If the first allegations about a massive child exploitation ring, centered around Larry King and leading all the way to the White House, had been made in 1989, and had all come from the same source, some shenanigans and mischievous collusion could be suspected. However, the allegations arising out of the Franklin Credit Union collapse were not the first.

Way back in 1985, a young girl, Eulice (Lisa) Washington, was the center of an investigation by Andrea L. Carener, of the Nebraska Department of Social Services. The investigation was instigated because Lisa and her sister Tracey continually ran away from their foster parents, Jarrett and Barbara Webb. Initially reluctant to disclose information for fear of being further punished, the two girls eventually recounted a remarkable story, later backed up by other children who had been fostered out to the Webb's [sic].

These debriefings were conducted by Mrs. Julie Walters, another welfare officer, who worked for Boys Town at the time, and who had been called in because of the constant reference by the Webb children and others, to that institution.

Lisa, supported by her sister, detailed a massive child sex, homosexual, and pornography industry, run in Nebraska by Larry King. She described how she was regularly taken to Washington by plane, with other youths, to attend parties hosted by King and involving many prominent people, including businessmen and politicians. Lisa specifically named George Bush as being in attendance on at least two separate occasions. ``Remember, this was in 1985,'' emphasized the Australian newsletter.

The newsletter reproduces several documents on Lisa's case, including a Nebraska State Police report, a State of Nebraska Foster Care Review Board letter to the Attorney General, an investigative report prepared for the Franklin Committee of the Nebraska Senate, and a portion of the handwritten debriefing by Mrs. Julie Walters. Peter Sawyer says that he obtained the documents from sympathetic Australian law enforcement officers who had helped Australian Channel Ten produce an exposeé of a national child prostitution ring Down Under. The Australian cops seem to have been in communication with American law enforcement officers who apparently agreed that there had been a coverup on the Nebraska scandal. Subsequent investigations by the authors established that all four documents were authentic.

Mrs. Julie Walters, now a housewife in the Midwest, confirmed that in 1986 she had interviewed the alleged child prostitute, Lisa, who told her about Mr. Bush. Lisa and her sister Tracey were temporarily living at the time in the home of Kathleen Sorenson, another foster parent. Mrs. Walters explained that at first she was very surprised. But Lisa, who came from a very underprivileged background with no knowledge of political affairs, gave minute details of her attendance at political meetings around the country.

From Julie Walters' 50-page handwritten report:

3/25/86. Met with Kathleen [Sorenson] and Lisa for about 2 hours in Blair [Neb.] questioning Lisa for more details about sexual abuse.... Lisa admitted to being used as a prostitute by Larry King when she was on trips with his family. She started going on trips when she was in 10th grade. Besides herself and Larry there was also Mrs. King, their son, Prince, and 2-3 other couples. They traveled in Larry's private plane, Lisa said that at these trip parties, which Larry hosted, she sat naked ``looking pretty and innocent'' and guests could engage in any sexual activity they wanted (but penetration was not allowed) with her.... Lisa said she first met V.P. George Bush at the Republican Convention (that Larry King sang the national anthem at) and saw him again at a Washington, D.C. party that Larry hosted. At that party, Lisa saw no women (``make-up was perfect--you had to check their legs to make sure they weren't a woman'').

The polygraph test which Lisa took only centered around sexual abuse committed by Jarrett Webb. At that time, she had said only general things about Larry's trips (i.e. where they went, etc.). She only began talking about her involvement in prostitution during those trips on 3/25/86....

Lisa also accompanied Mr. and Mrs. King and Prince on trips to Chicago, N.Y. and Washington, D.C. beginning when she was 15 years old. She missed twenty-two days of school almost totally due to these trips. Lisa was taken along on the pretense of being Prince's babysitter. Last year she met V.P. George Bush and saw him again at one of the parties Larry gave while on a Washington, D.C. trip. At some of the parties there are just men (as was the case at the party George Bush attended)--older men and younger men in their early twenties. Lisa said she has seen sodomy committed at those parties....

At these parties, Lisa said every guest had a bodyguard and she saw some of the men wearing guns. All guests had to produce a card which was run through a machine to verify who the guest was, in fact, who they said they were. And then each guest was frisked down before entering the party.@s7

The details of the accusations against Mr. Bush are known to be in the hands of the FBI. A Franklin Committee report stated:

Apparently she [Lisa] was contacted on December 19 [1988] and voluntarily came to the FBI offices on December 30, 1988. She was interviewed by Brady, Tucker and Phillips.

She indicates that in September or October 1984, when [Lisa] Washington was fourteen or fifteen years of age, she went on a trip to Chicago with Larry King and fifteen to twenty boys from Omaha. She flew to Chicago on a private plane.

The plane was large and had rows of two seats apiece on either side of the interior middle aisle.

She indicates that King got the boys from Boys Town and the boys worked for him. She stated that Rod Evans and two other boys with the last name of Evans were on the plane. Could not recall the names of the other boys.

The boys who flew to Chicago with Washington and King were between the ages of fifteen and eighteen. Most of the boys were black but some were white. She was shown a color photograph of a boy and identified that boy as being one of the boys on the plane. She could not recall his name.

She indicates that she was coerced to going on the trip by Barbara Webb.

She indicates that she attended a party in Chicago with King and the male youths. She indicated George Bush was present.

She indicates that she set [sic] at a table at the party while wearing nothing but a negligee. She stated that George Bush saw her on the table. She stated she saw George Bush pay King money, and that Bush left the party with a nineteen year old black boy named Brent. Lisa said the party George Bush attended was in Chicago in September or October 1984. According to the Chicago Tribune of October 31, 1984, Bush was in Illinois campaigning for congressional candidates at the end of October.

Lisa added more details on the Chicago trip, and told why she was sure it was George Bush she had seen. According to a May 8, 1989 report by investigator Jerry Lowe, ``Eulice [Lisa] indicated that she recognized George Bush as coming to the party and that Bush had two large white males with him. Eulice indicated Bush came to the party approximately 45 minutes after it started and that he was greeted by Larry King. Eulice indicated that she knew George Bush due to the fact that he had been in political campaigns and also she had observed a picture of Bush with Larry King at Larry King's house in Omaha.''

There is no question that Lisa and Tracey Webb were abused in the way they claimed. But, in keeping with the alleged pattern of coverup, a Washington County, Nebraska judge in December 1990 dismissed all charges against their abusers, Jarrett and Barbara Webb. The judge ignored presented testimony of the 1986 report by Boys Town official Julie Walters. The report stated: ``Lisa was given four polygraph tests administered by a state trooper at the State Patrol office on Center Street in Omaha. The state trooper, after Lisa's testing was completed, told [another foster parent] he tried to `break Lisa down,' but he was convinced she was telling the truth.''@s8

Furthermore, numbers of foster care officials and youth workers debriefed the sisters. All of them fully believed not only their general story of abuse, but specifically their account of Bush's involvement. The March 1986 report on Bush was incorporated into the Foster Care Review Board's official report presented to the Senate Franklin Committee and to law enforcement. As Kathleen Sorenson wrote in a report dated May 1, 1989, ``This was long before he [Bush] was president. It seems like there were more exciting people to `lie' about if that's what they were doing.''@s9

The rumors about Mr. Bush were given new life when Dr. Ronald Roskens, the head of the Agency for International Development (AID), found himself the object of controversy. Executive Intelligence Review reported in the fall of 1991 that Dr. Roskens is the subject of a scandal in which he is being charged with violating federal laws and ethics codes, according to the Oct. 6 Washington Post. A report prepared by AID Inspector General Herbert Beckington, dated April 5 and leaked to the Post, charges Roskens with accepting thousands of dollars in payments from ``different organizations in compensation of his and his wife's travel expenses'' while Roskens was on official government travel. He also took money for a private trip from a company ``from which Roskens had agreed to divest himself as a condition of his presidential appointment.''

The inspector general concluded that the money accepted by Roskens was a clear conflict of interest and violated federal law against earning non-government income. But on Sept. 4, after reviewing the charges, the Department of Justice ... informed Beckington that it had decided not to prosecute--giving no explanation for its decision. The White House is reviewing the case.

Congressional investigators are already looking into the allegations. Should they scratch below the surface, they will find that this is not the first time Roskens has been touched by scandal. Although President Bush promised that he would not tolerate even the appearance of impropriety in his administration, Congress should not be surprised if the White House threatens to start ``breaking legs'' in Roskens's defense.

It is not just that Roskens is a personal friend of the President--although he is.... [A]n unimpeded investigation into Roskens could expose the link between Bush's little publicized birth control mania--much of which is carried out through the State Department's AID in the Third World--and the sexual depravity rampant in U.S. political and intelligence elites. Any such scandal could shatter the illusions of Bush's conservative base, many of whom still accept the President's claims to being ``pro-life,'' ``anti-drug,'' and an American patriot. It should also make anyone who thinks of the propaganda about Bush being the ``education President,'' deeply queasy.

Roskens left his home state of Nebraska for the nation's capital in early 1990 enmired in controversy. He had been fired suddenly as president of the University of Nebraska, in a secret meeting of the state Board of Regents in July 1989. No public explanation was given for his removal. Yet, within weeks, the White House offered Roskens the high-profile job in Washington. The administration knew about the controversy in Nebraska, but Roskens passed an FBI background check, and was confirmed to head AID.

The FBI appears to have overlooked a Feb. 19, 1990 investigative report by the late Gary Caradori [see footnote 5 below], an investigator for the ``Franklin Committee'' of the Nebraska Senate. He wrote, ``I was informed that Roskins [sic] was terminated by the state because of sexual activities reported to the Regents and verified by them. Mr. Roskins [sic] was reported to have had young men at his residence for sexual encounters. As part of the separation from the state, he had to move out of the state-owned house because of the liability to the state if some of his sexual behavior was `illegal.'''@s1@s0

There has been no independent confirmation of the accusation. As of late December 1991, a congressional committee was looking into the charges

hunkahunka

13-10-2009, 08:03 PM

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Hillary Clinton

Background

Hometown
Park Ridge, Ill.

Age
61

Religion
United Methodist

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Bill and Hillary Clinton in their younger days

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Methodist Methods in the Deep South by Henry Madison Jacobs
in Spirituality

Copyright 2009-08-18

Henry Madison Jacobs

P.O. Box 717

Bolivar, TN 38008-0717

Introduction:

For my multidisciplinary doctoral dissertation research in leadership psychology at the Methodist-controlled University of Mississippi, I send out resumes to all fifty state teachers colleges, am invited to interview at eight, interview at five, and select Eastern New Mexico University (ENMU) as my research specimen. After one year, I am promoted to chairman of the Management Science Department in the second largest MBA program in the state. Then I start my research project:

As a resource for my doctoral research, I invite all faculty members on campus to join with me in a multidisciplinary team-taught evening course. Twelve PhDs from ten different disciplines join with me to create a Multidisciplinary Research Institute.

In addition to our funded research projects, I use Andrea Delbecq's Nominal Group Process and Program Planning Model to achieve a consensus on thirty-six policy-level issues for improving mission performance in the public schools. The British Methodists who control the university oppose these policy changes.

I am told by the Methodist central administration that if I do not stop my doctoral research, that I will be fired, that I will never get another decent position or bank loan -- that I will be surprised at how many things can be made to go wrong in my life -- and that I will end up sleeping under a bridge somewhere.

So I seek and get support from North Central Accreditation Association (NCAA) and a $500,000 grant from the NEA Dushane Legal Defense Fund. The Methodists form the United Methodist Church. I was fired and we had the first trial in 1977, which had to be held over, as explained later. My case "Henry Madison Jacobs versus ENMU" would eventually become one of the most cited cases in the Tenth Judicial District and one of the most cited education cases nation-wide.

The Methodists and I become locked into a "motivational/spiritual leadership war" that has lasted now for almost forty years.

Recent Excerpts from "Notes Made at the Time" in My Web Log

I acquire my jacobsladder.com domain from Network Solutions in 1997 and start hosting with Network Solutions in 2006. I use a local wireless Internet connection.

During April and May 2008, in response to my research website, my home and research center are made virtually unusable by (1) the British Methodist-controlled USDA Rural Development Program, (2) a British Methodist-controlled African Christian Methodist Episcopal (CME) building contractor, and (3) three local British Methodist judges here in this Methodist-controlled county in the Deep South. If you hated Methodists Bush and Cheney, you would hate the Deep South.

By May 15, 2008, I had published a documentary, about this Methodist government-sponsored suppression and fraud, at GoArticles.com in a four-part series entitled "Leadership Science versus Political Science." Since then, these four articles have been downloaded to hundreds of websites and newsletters. And my jacobsladder.com leadership research website is now number one in my field, out of over 1 ¼ million websites. I still have copies of the court documents that comprise and prove Part III of this series. But I have had two hard drives crashed from opening emails in my Network Solutions email account (jacobs@jacobsladder.com). Compare my experience with your own. You may be under Methodist surveillance too. The details are documented below:

5-15-08: I post four articles on Google Blogger. Immediately Internet Explorer reports: "Problems with this webpage might prevent it from displaying properly." ... My virus software reports 189 warnings. I click "Remove all unhealed infections."

5-17-08: My Google Blogger account suddenly doesn't work.

5-18-08: AdAware reports 145 new objects as "auto-quarantined on 5/15/08." I print the list.

5-21-08: In Google Search, my articles and website are all over the Internet in at least a dozen categories!

5-22-08: EasyCleaner finds two invalid registry entries: (1) NoRoam, (2) ShellNoRoam MUICache. (3) I find 19 "unnecessary files." I delete all but three. These three will not delete. I get a message that they "might be in use." One of the files: "Docs & Settings\Temp Internet Files\Content IE5\Index.dat" is 7,389,184 in size!

AdAware: (1) Realtime Protection is turned "Off!" (2) Scan Now: I find 2 privacy objects: MRU Object MRU Path\Documents a ... and MRU Object MRU Registry Key: S-1-5 ...

AVG: Overview: (1) "You may not be protected! Some components report an error:" Update Manager: "The connection fails." Scanner: Virus Vault = Empty. Event History: My attempt to delete it fails.

Note: My articles and website, which were all over the Internet yesterday, are nowhere to be found! I try all available search engines. Nothing!

EasyCleaner finds the two ShellNoRoam files in my Registry. I print a copy.

5-23-08: I start my Compaq laptop and get the message: "Data Execution Prevention - Microsoft Windows. "To help protect your computer, Windows has closed this program." Name: Spooler SubSystem. APP Publisher: Microsoft Corporation. "Data Execution Prevention helps protect against damage from viruses and other security threats. ..."

AVG: "Virus Vault/Event History" is so long that I click "Empty list."...

6-1-08: EasyCleaner finds: (1.) the same three ShellNoRoam files as listed on 5-22-08 plus (2.) thirty additional links to all my recent documents on my Compaq laptop and my Flash Drive.

AdAware reports: Last scan: 5-27-2008. Last infection: 5-22-2008. I click Scan Now and find two "privacy objects," which are the two ShellNoRoam files.

7-9-08: While trying to post blogs on Google Blogger, I find that my JavaScript and cookies have been disabled. I am not allowed to restore them.

11-13-08: I attempt to use my $10,000 Aura Video Systems tomography research device and software. All 300 digital images have been destroyed! Each file contains the red ShellNoRoam symbol.

Microsoft Word: All my images in MyPictures, MyDocs, and MyWebsites have been infected and destroyed! Each one has the red ShellNoRoam symbol.

11-18-08: My Roxio software has been destroyed!

Hewlett Packard 7960 Printer: "Photo Imaging Director" won't open.

2-12-09: I install hard drive #2.

2-17-09: I open Network Solutions Email Account: It contains an email from Network Solutions with the subject: "ACTION REQUIRED OR YOUR ACCOUNT WILL BE DEACTIVATED!" So I phone Technical Support and ask two questions: (1) Am I the only user? Ans. = Yes. (2) Is the above email from you? Ans. = No. So I delete the email.

2-20-09: I check both my website and my articles in Google Search: All links have been sabotaged!

2-23-09: Every time I click on any of my Web articles, as well as when I try to edit them, I get the message, "Internet Explorer is shutting down."

2-27-09: To get my research hypothesis tested by others, I start sending emails about my research, entitled "Call for Research on the Psychology, Aura Tomography, and Sociology of Leadership," to selected researchers at universities. [By 3-13-09, I had sent 104 emails.]

3-3-09: I open my Network Solutions Email Account and find several emails entitled "Paid Invoices" to Tommy Israel, President of Lambuth Methodist University, Jackson, TN (tisrail@jacobsladder.com). I open and save one of the emails in MS Word. Then I also copy it in my hand-written Internet Log (quoted below), just in case my hard drive gets crashed again. The email reads as follows:

"From: Sommer Johnson (sjohnson@jacobsladder.com) To: Maureen Dailey mdailey@idsga.com) Courtesy Copy: Tommy Isreal (tisrail@jacobsladder.com) Subject: Paid Invoices 83 and 86 Message: Good Morning. Here are the copies of the paid invoices, numbers (83) and (86). Have a great day!"

3-13-09: I make the mistake of opening another "Paid Invoice" email in my Network Solutions Email Account. Crash!

I replace hard drive # 2 with hard drive # 3.

3-23-09: ShellNoRoam has already established links to my latest two files for posting on the Internet. I open my Network Solutions email account: I am informed that my login and password are incorrect, that I am a "Guest User," and that my use of my account is limited! I run a virus scan using Malwarebytes Anti-Malware: One of the HomeKey temporary Internet files is named "Change Password." I delete all.

4-2-09: I check my Network Solutions Email Account: I am still getting emails from the Methodist-managed Regions Bank to tisreal@jacobsladder.com! I phone the Network Solutions Email Department and am told to delete "CatchAll." I do an AVG Scan on all these emails. One contains 150,604 objects! So I delete it unopened.

4-6-09: I mail Network Solutions a check for both my domain and hosting. I mail it USPS Certified.

4-15-09: I try to update my WHOIS info at Network Solutions: I lost the connection while logging in. I phone a tech rep. He said that I had not renewed my domain name! I tell him about my USPS Tracking Receipt for certified mail dated 4-7-09. Then he says that he will "renew it for me."

I create a Yahoo! Email Account.

4-16-09 to 4-17-09: I send 196 more emails to sociologists at universities, using my new Yahoo account.

4-27-09: I send an email to CERN, entitled "Grassroots Research Solves Superstring."

4-28-09: I send 42 emails, entitled "Call for Research on the Psychology and Physics of Spirituality," to selected faculty members at Christian universities.

DiskCleanup: I delete "downloaded program files." But I open DiskCleanup again and the "hidden downloaded program files containing Active-X Controls and Java Applets" is still there!

4-29-09: I open my new Yahoo Email Account to send more emails to selected faculty, entitled "Call for Research on the Psychology and Physics of Spirituality" and I get the following popup: "YOUR MESSAGE WAS NOT SENT: Suspicious activity has been detected on your account. To protect your account and our users, your message has not been sent. If this error continues, please contact Yahoo! Customer Care for further help."

I send them a full explanation, including a copy of the email. Then I continue sending to addresses at 16 more organizations, plus 8 sent to faculty members at one organization.

6-17-09: I open Google Blogger: Again I get this notice: "Your browser's cookie functionality has been disabled. Please enable JavaScript and cookies in order to use Blogger." But I am still unable to do so. I would spend the next four weeks trying to get Google Blogger to work! All attempts have failed.

I request that four of my latest articles be sent by GoArticles.com to me at my new Yahoo Email Account. None were received! What's the problem? (1) GoArticles.com? (2) Yahoo.com? (3) Network Solutions.com? (4) My computer? (5) The FBI? (6) The Methodists? (7) All of the above?

6-28-09: I open MS Word/My Docs: All of my documents are in Asian (Japanese) format.

7-15-09: I check my Network Solutions Email Account: I find an Asian email from "acjfren." Subject = "Jacobs: ... [in Japanese]." I leave it unopened.

A few days later, (1) a Methodist student from the University of Memphis contacts me and says that she is majoring in Japanese. She gives me her email address for use in getting emails translated.

I am also approached by two other young Methodist women -- (2) one from Medon, TN, who now works in Colorado for some US government agency that tracks the location of individuals with cell phones and who said she once lived for two years at The Farm near Summertown, TN -- a Methodist-controlled "Hippy Commune" or concentration camp that was used during the 1970s by the Methodists to drug and incarcerate counter-culture protesters; and (3) by another young Methodist woman from Colorado whose husband works for FedEx.

I have also recently been invited into the homes of two well-to-do Methodist widows named (4) Edith and (5) Shirley.

This is only the second and third times in my life that I have been invited into a Methodist home! In 1979 I was living here in Hardeman County, TN awaiting the retrial of my 1977 precedent-setting lawsuit against the Methodists in New Mexico. I had left the amount of damages up to the jury; and the jury had awarded me so much that the trial had to be held over.

While waiting for the second trial, I was invited into the home of the local Methodist Agricultural Extension Agent, who set me up to be drugged with hallucinatory drugs and then admitted to a local Methodist-controlled Mental Hospital and diagnosed by a Methodist doctor as being "Schizophrenic, dangerous, and likely to get worse!!!"

I demanded and was able to get a second opinion from a non-Methodist doctor at the same facility, stating that I had only been drugged. At my next trial in New Mexico, the New Mexico Methodists tried to introduce their Methodist diagnosis against me!

Two years after the second trial, I was able to get an RN at the hospital to smuggle me a copy of my complete file, containing copies of both opinions, including the lab report that proved my claim that I had been set up by the Methodists.

Since Methodists control all peer-review boards, I continue trying to get my multidisciplinary solution to the Superstring confirmed by others! And I must also continue this multidimensional "chess game" to protect my research and me from the Methodists! The British Methodists will try to erase both my research and me from history, as they did at ENMU except for my lawsuit in the Tenth Judicial District!

hunkahunka

13-10-2009, 08:25 PM

and check this out, from the same people (methodists) who brought
you Reverend Jim Jones and the Jonestown koolaid festival:

http://www.reedychapel.com/AME-logo.jpg
the African Methodist Episcopal Church

or this gem:

http://www.stjohnamezion.org/AMEZ.jpg

http://americansfortruth.com/uploads/2009/01/v_gene_robinson_homosexual_task_force.jpg
homosexual Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson addresses
the National Gay and Lesbian task force.

hunkahunka

14-10-2009, 04:36 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/46_Dick_Cheney_3x4.jpg/225px-46_Dick_Cheney_3x4.jpg
Dick Cheney

46th Vice President of theUnited States
In office January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009
President George W. Bush
Preceded by Al Gore
Succeeded by Joe Biden

Religion Methodist

http://talesbythesea.org/UMC_Logo2.gif

http://www.fumcva.org/images/FUMC%20Logo%201.jpg

hunkahunka

14-10-2009, 05:20 PM

hunkahunka

16-10-2009, 01:05 AM

hunkahunka

16-10-2009, 02:28 AM

interesting to note that the 'Grand Dragon' of the KKK, DC Stephenson, who
"literally chewed Madge Olberholter to death", was, like Ted Bundy, who engaged in similar behavior (simultaneous rape and chewing) , a Methodist.

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/kkk_stephenson.jpg
DC Stephenson was to become the impetus of the Invisible Empire in Indiana and a number of other northern states. He started organizing the Indiana Klan in Evansville in 1922, moved to Columbus, Ohio, and ended up in Indianapolis as his part of the empire grew. Soon, 20 other states from Maine to Nebraska came under his control.
Recruiting Klan members was an easy task. ... most prolific organizers were Protestant clergymen, particularly those of the Methodist Episcopal persuasion.
more here: (cannot cut and paste)
********************/ygz7fxf

Ted Bundy's childhood is a classic mk profile: born of incest, broken home, illegitimate child,
adopted, identity confusion in the home, etc. (oh, adopted by Methodists, btw, and put into
the Boy Scouts)

quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

Ted Bundy

Childhood

Ted Bundy was born Theodore Robert Cowell at the Elizabeth Lund Home For Unwed Mothers in Burlington, Vermont, to Eleanor Louise Cowell. While the identity of his father is unknown, Bundy's birth certificate lists a "Lloyd Marshall" (b. 1916),[2] although Bundy's mother would later tell of being seduced by a war veteran named "Jack Worthington". However, Bundy's family did not believe this story, and expressed suspicion about Louise's violent, abusive father, Samuel Cowell.[3] Whatever the truth of Bundy's parentage, to avoid social stigma, Bundy's maternal grandparents, Samuel and Eleanor Cowell, claimed him as their son. He grew up believing that his mother was his older sister. Bundy biographers Stephen Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth wrote that he learned Louise was actually his mother while he was in high school.[4] True crime writer Ann Rule, who knew Bundy personally, states that it was around 1969, shortly following a traumatic breakup with his college girlfriend.[5]

For the first few years of his life, Bundy and his mother lived in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. In 1950, while he still believed she was his sister, they moved to live with relatives in Tacoma, Washington. Here, Louise had her son's surname changed from Cowell to Nelson.[6] In 1951, one year after their move, Louise Cowell met Johnny Culpepper Bundy at an adult singles night held at Tacoma's First Methodist Church.[7] In May that year, the couple were married, and soon after Johnny Bundy adopted Ted, legally changing his last name to "Bundy".

Johnny and Louise Bundy had more children, whom the young Bundy spent much of his time babysitting. Johnny Bundy tried to include his stepson in camping trips and other father-son activities, but the boy remained emotionally detached from his stepfather.[8] Bundy was a good student at Woodrow Wilson High School, in Tacoma, and was active in a local Methodist church, serving as vice-president of the Methodist Youth Fellowship. He was involved with a local troop of the Boy Scouts of America.
/quote

Also notable: KKK Grand Dragon DC Stephenson was a Methodist from Indiana (died in 1966)
Reverend Jim Jones (founder of Jonestown, Guyana, and cult leader) was a Methodist from Indiana, whose father, James Thurman Jones, was a KKK member.

http://ucheyworth.com/Images/300px-Methodist_cross.gif

hunkahunka

17-10-2009, 05:10 PM

http://ndn3.newsweek.com/media/58/080314_ObamaWright_vl-vertical.jpg

http://www.ship-of-fools.com/mystery/2008/media/chicago_trinity_uniting.jpg
Obama's former church in Chicago, Trinity United Church of Christ

quote:

In 2005, the 1.2-million-member UCC (United Church of Christ) became the first, largest mainline denomination to support same-gender marriage equality.

http://www.gbmnews.com/News_Photos/051808/ucc_gay_marriage_2.jpg

Homosexual play performed at United Church of Christ:

http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/lifestyles_impact/2009/06/large_little-children.jpg
Philip Pletcher plays Robert Morrison, a gay man who has returned to the church as a minister, shakes Eric Hansons' hand and welcomes him to the church Dylan Harrison plays the part of Eric Hanson, who is discovering his identity as a gay man. The play, "All the Little Children," will be performed at the UCC's General Synod in Grand Rapids.

Obama's campaign logo bears a certain sun-worshiping resemblance to
the Episcopalian lesbian Bishops mitre (fish hat)

http://www.sff.net/people/raymund/uploaded_images/Obama-logo-712385.jpg
Obama logo

http://geoconger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/schori.jpg
lesbian fish hat (national Episcopal leader, Bishop Katherine Jefferts)

http://www.stjohnandstmark.org/images/Crucifix.jpg
crucified white male symbol hangs in Episcopal Church

http://www.stjohnselkhart.com/stjohnselkhart/file.php/1/Stained_Glass_Window.jpg
white male bleeds into goblets at St. John's Episcopal Church

http://www.stjohnselkhart.com/stjohnselkhart/file.php/1/Crucifix.jpg
more eye candy at St. John's Episcopal

http://theblackcordelias.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/episcopal-bishop1.jpg
side view of fish hat

hunkahunka

17-10-2009, 06:46 PM

On Sept 29, 2009 Jennifer Hudson sang songs from the Wizard of Oz
prior to a 70th Anniversary screening of the Wizard of Oz in Central
Park in NY.

http://mrsgrapevine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jennifer_hudson_wizard_of_oz.jpg

http://ontheredcarpet.typepad.com/.a/6a010536c12963970b0120a5af461c970b-800wi
quote: Former Dancing With the Stars champ Julianne Hough took part in a special anniversary celebration honoring The Wizard of Oz, with Jennifer Hudson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Hudson

Jennifer Hudson

She came to prominence in 2004 as one of the finalists on the third season of the Fox reality television series American Idol. She made her film debut in the 2006 film Dreamgirls.
In late 2008 Hudson's mother, brother, and nephew were killed in a shooting. Her estranged brother-in-law has been charged with their murders. Soon after the tragic events occurred, Hudson stepped out of the limelight for a three month timespan. Hudson resumed her public appearances in 2009, and has since performed at the Super Bowl XLIII, the Grammy Awards, American Idol, and The Oprah Winfrey Show.[1] Hudson has been described as a friend of President Barack Obama, who invited her to appear with him at a fundraiser in Beverly Hills in May 2009.[2]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.bvonmovies.com/media/2009/07/fragments.jpg
one moment shattered their lives

Fragments (2009)

In 2009, Jennifer Hudson starred as Kathy Archenault in Fragments, a film based on the novel by Roy Freirich, with Dakota Fanning and Forest Whitaker. The name of the film was changed from "Winged Creatures" to "Fragments". It was released on DVD on August 4, 2009.

Tagline:

You have to lose your way to find it. more

Plot:
A group of strangers form a unique relationship with each other after surviving a random shooting at a Los Angeles diner.

http://yurukov.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/winged-creatures.jpg

http://images.contentreserve.com/ImageType-100/0887-1/%7B055B03F4-AF19-488F-BDD1-60F70C65B05D%7DImg100.jpg

hunkahunka

18-10-2009, 08:27 PM

further evidence that Cobain did not write the lyrics to Smells Like
Teen Spirit , found on the 'forbidden page' of the 'Journals' book
that Courtney Love published after his death:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8128/cobainforbidden.jpg

quote:

Desire to Burn
by Tim Appelo

'On page 204 of his journals, he incorporated “A Young Woman, a Tree” into a drawing. It was a page so painfully revealing that reviewers were forbidden to reprint it, presumably on Love’s orders. Cobain took a comic-book version of his life story, tore out the cartoon portrait of his head heroically shrieking his number-one lyric “Here we are now, entertain us,” and drew onto it a rather good expressionist sketch of his emaciated body. The drawing is meant to contrast the muscular comic-book superhero head—the public myth—with the shabby private reality of what he called his “Auschwitz” body, which shamed him.

Above the drawing, he clipped six lines from Ostriker. The girl in the poem envies a tree, whose explosion of fall color makes her own life feel pallid:

Passing that fiery tree—if only she could
Be making love,
Be making poetry,
Be exploding, be speeding through the universe
Like a photon, like a shower
Of yellow blazes— '

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8128/cobainforbidden.jpg

Interesting to note that the above page of his journals contain no actual journal text entry of Cobain's , by his own hand. It is not so much a journal entry as a collage, consisting of
two cut and pastes, and a sketch. This juxtaposition of 'collage as journal entry' is interesting when you examine it.
First lets look at the two cut and pastes that Cobain substituted for his journal addition that day:

One is a snippet from a poetry book, six lines of an Alicia Ostriker poem. Cobain could easily have rewritten the Ostriker lines himself, by hand, but chose to cut and paste the lines from the actual page of the book of poetry in which it had appeared. Why?

Cobain obviously did not author the Ostriker lines, and he made a point of emphasizing that fact by refusing to pen the lines into his journal, and instead 'cut and pasted' them in their original form, snipped from the actual page of the book.

And below that we see another cut and paste, also containing poetry, this time poetry from
the song 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', torn from part of a comic book about Cobain.

So what we have here is an intentional cut and paste collage of similar items. Both of them containing poetry....both of them pieces taken from their original source rather than reproduced........

with both of them containing poetry that Cobain did not write. Cobains only inky original contribution to the page , or that day's journal entry , is his rendering of himself, of the rest of his body, at the bottom of the page.

Cobain has embedded a clue to the origin of the lyrics in his journals.

He pasted the line 'if only she could be making poetry' onto a
blank page of his own journal, as a substitute for his own expression,
his own written contribution or journal entry of that day, as if to say
'I have writers block, this expresses for me what I am feeling today'

(in other words , his way of saying " "If only I could be making poetry today", was to cut and paste evidence that someone had beaten him to it, & reveal that someone had already poetically expressed the thought prior to him, and he chose to defer to Ostriker, & to use the better expression of that thought, the poem by Ostriker, rather than try to wax eloquent himself on the subject of writers block)

In my opinion, immediately underneath this, Cobain hints that the same thought process was occurring at the time of his decision to use the lyrics to Smells Like Teen Spirit, (which he had not written himself), on his own record, to best express what he was feeling. ie putting that song on his record was not unlike a deferential cut and paste job, very similar to what he had just done above.

In contrasting a sketch of his own frail body with the mighty body of the artificial comic book image, he admits that he is not the person depicted, ie: he is not the real writer.

What you are seeing expressed here is Cobain's deferential admiration for two writers other than himself.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8128/cobainforbidden.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journals_%28Cobain%29#The_.22Forbidden_Page.22

The "Forbidden Page"

According to an article written by Tim Appelo in the Seattle Weekly in 2002, journalists were banned from printing page 204 of Journals (hardcover) in articles or reviews, ostensibly because of its dark content. The page features a drawing of Cobain's face, torn from a comic book, shouting a refrain from the chorus of his most popular song, "Smells Like Teen Spirit": "With the lights out, it's less dangerous / Here we are now, entertain us!" Under the drawing is a sketch by Cobain of the rest of his body until his hips, its skeletal frame contrasting sharply with the furious-looking comic book image. Above the drawing-collage are six lines cut-and-pasted from an Alicia Ostriker poem called "A Young Woman, A Tree". The six lines, which begin the poem, describe a girl who passes a blooming tree, and envies its beauty; it has been suggested that by juxtaposing these lines with his emaciated self-portrait, Cobain was making a comment on his own loss of creativity and his personal image being in contrast to his public one.

hunkahunka

18-10-2009, 11:48 PM

video:

pro-KKK 1915 film by Methodist producer D.W. Griffith:

full length film viewable here:

http://www.archive.org/details/dw_griffith_birth_of_a_nation

soulja

20-10-2009, 05:27 PM

Black Butterfly Album
http://www.therockdose.com/files/2008/08/buck-cherry-black-butterfly.jpg

From the band 'Buckcherry'

Buckcherry is a Grammy-nominated hard rock band from Los Angeles, California formed in 1995. The band released two albums, Buckcherry (1999) and Time Bomb (2001), before dissolving in the summer of 2002. In 2005, lead vocalist Josh Todd and lead guitarist Keith Nelson formed a new band using the Buckcherry moniker and released a new album on April 16, 2006 titled 15 (2006), which contained Buckcherry's biggest crossover hits to date, "Crazy Bitch" and the band's first Billboard Hot 100 top ten hit, "Sorry". Their fourth album, Black Butterfly (2008), was released in September 2008.

Formation and early years

Buckcherry was formed after lead vocalist Josh Todd met lead guitarist Keith Nelson through their tattoo artist after discovering a common love of AC/DC. The duo made a few demos before being joined by bassist Jonathan Brightman and drummer Devon Glenn, calling themselves Sparrow. Sparrow began performing around the Hollywood club scene, receiving a strong, local following due to their old school rock and roll vibe, and were signed to DreamWorks Records shortly after. The group changed its name to Buckcherry after receiving a cease-and-desist letter from a record label called Sparrow, with Buckcherry being a spoonerism of Chuck Berry, however, the group said it was inspired by a drag queen acquaintance of theirs named Buck Cherry. The band released its self-titled debut in 1999 to critical praise and certified gold sales. The album, produced by Terry Date (Soundgarden/Mother Love Bone/Pantera/Steve Jones), included three modern rock chart hits in "Lit Up", "For the Movies", and "Check Your Head".

Other projects

In April 2008, Buckcherry founding member Jonathan Brightman entered the studio to record a new record with producer Dave Cobb and former Buckcherry members Devon Glenn and Yogi Lonich. Using the name Black Robot, it features tracks written & performed by JB, Devon, Yogi, Dave Cobb, and Huck Johns. Executive produced by JB, Black Robot blends musical influences from AC/DC, The Black Crowes, and Led Zeppelin. The first Black Robot record, featuring the singles "BADDASS", "I'm in Love", and a cover of the Eric Clapton/JJ Cale classic "Cocaine", was released on May 5, 2009 on Amazon.com and iTunes. In early 2009, Black Robot added Swedish born guitarist Andy Andersson to the line-up, as well as drummer Daxx Nielsen, son of guitar legend Rick Nielsen, and Eli Wulfmeier also on guitar.

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/66/Buckcherry_-_Timebomb.jpg
Silence trigger
&
Interesting tats
http://www.allaccessmagazine.com/vol6/issue01/photos/buckcherry_02.jpg

http://rockstar.unionevents.com/mailouts/2009/02/17/images/Buckcherry.jpg

soulja

20-10-2009, 05:57 PM

More butterfly imagery:

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/6bb388ca462e5ebfafff377ad8e9669f/658457.jpg

http://www.ginnwei.com/images/albums/jolintsai_butterfly.jpg
Jolin Tsai, one of the most popular Chinese artistes and the reigning Taiwanese pop queen, has released an all-new Mandarin album, Butterfly or Hua Hu Die, after more than 18 months since the release of her Agent J or Te Wu J album. This new album contains 10 songs including the first single, Flower Butterfly or Hua Hu Die, and the duet with Nick in Real Man or Da Zhang Fu. It seems that this Dancing Queen [Wu Niang] has added new elements such as element of yoga and pole dancing in her new music video

A band called Butterfly Effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butterfly_Effect_%28band%29

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Butterfly_Effect_EP.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/The_Butterfly_Effect_-_Imago.jpg

Kerli's 'love is dead' album
http://www.weirdmusic.net/pics/KerliLoveIsDead.jpg

Kerli with butterfly wings and concealed horns sign.
http://www.gnrdaily.com/upload/news/985984420_l.jpg

Angel
http://www.sugarcainentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/Kerli.jpg

Very telling, this one is:
http://maca89blog.ic.cz/images/kerli-006.jpg

Mirror
http://www.gothicparadise.de/gothicparadise/files/kerli_woa.jpg

Black & White floor, dominatrix look (dark altar)
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/27256843/Kerli.png

hunkahunka

21-10-2009, 01:11 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwo47XAEOX8

http://www.youtube.com/user/EsotericKitten#p/a/u/1/WGdCoPx8g6w

hunkahunka

21-10-2009, 01:28 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yT7lYB-crM&feature=player_profilepage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJM7ctFe0Kk&feature=related

hunkahunka

21-10-2009, 04:19 PM

Roseanne Barr

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2Kzzy7ZYIwCommercial for Madison Square Garden production of
THE WIZARD OF OZ starring Roseanne Barr as the
Wicked Witch.

repost, video link lovingly removed

hunkahunka

21-10-2009, 04:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJUquCDRryA&feature=video_response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS2Q1ahc0C8&feature=related

repost missing videos

hunkahunka

21-10-2009, 04:23 PM

The following video contains an impressive amount of information on the topic of satanic ritual abuse, the occult, and masonic connections.
(it starts out with the sense that one is just watching a tedious televangelist Sunday television show sermon, but is worth watching in its entirety, as the
scriptural references are contained only in the first ten minutes. The rest of the video contains solid factual information on this topic, ie: existing cases of SRA in modern America, information on the origins of the occult societies
in America, their founders, etc.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7198716510360758238&hl=en#

note the opening music is wonky but the rest of the video is clearly audible

repost missing video

hunkahunka

21-10-2009, 04:26 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P35maITNqc

Quote:
Project MK-ULTRA, or MKULTRA, was the code name for a covert CIA mind-control and chemical interrogation research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence. The program began in the early 1950s, continuing at least through the late 1960s, and it used United States citizens as its test subjects. The published evidence indicates that Project MK-ULTRA involved the surreptitious use of many types of drugs, as well as other methods, to manipulate individual mental states and to alter brain function.

Project MK-ULTRA was first brought to wide public attention in 1975 by the U.S. Congress, through investigations by the Church Committee, and by a presidential commission known as the Rockefeller Commission. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MK-ULTRA files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms' destruction order.

Although the CIA insists that MK-ULTRA-type experiments have been abandoned, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti has stated in various interviews that the CIA routinely conducts disinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MK-ULTRA was abandoned a "cover story."

On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:

"The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an 'extensive testing and experimentation' program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens "at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign." Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to 'unwitting subjects in social situations.' At least one death, that of Dr. Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers."

Project ARTICHOKE was a CIA project that researched interrogation methods and arose from Project BLUEBIRD on August 20, 1951, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence. A memorandum by Richard Helms to CIA director Allen Welsh Dulles indicated Artichoke became Project MKULTRA on April 13, 1953.

The project studied hypnosis, forced morphine addiction (and subsequent forced withdrawal), and the use of other chemicals, among other methods, to produce amnesia and other vulnerable states in subjects.

Artichoke was an offensive program of mind control that gathered together the intelligence divisions of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and FBI. In addition, the scope of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated, "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?"

Operation LAC (Large Area Coverage), was a U.S. Army Chemical Corps operation which dispersed microscopic zinc cadmium sulfide (ZnCdS) particles over much of the United States. The purpose was to determine the dispersion and geographic range of biological or chemical agents. [/quote]

repost missing video

to me that last part is utter bullshit. They dispersed microscopic zinc cadmium sulfide particles just to determine the dispersion and geographic range of spraying....?
I doubt it. Why waste time and money? imo, there was lekely a better reason than that.
Probably a test to see how much Cadmium (& whatever else was in it) the population could be poisoned with from a single spray operation .

hunkahunka

23-10-2009, 01:17 PM

This is the trailer for a powerful new film called 'Fall of the Republic'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzkDReWE0Fc&feature=player_embedded

hunkahunka

24-10-2009, 04:09 AM

article:

Making Mind Control Trendy - Megan Fox: "I have a mental problem", admits to having schizophrenia

2009 10 23

From: nydailynews.com
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=8451

hunkahunka

24-10-2009, 04:54 AM

watch this incredible lecture by Fritz Springmeir, from 1997. The amount of general knowledge he has is mind boggling, and for anyone who was clueless about all of this stuff years ago, like I was, I can imagine what their reaction would have been to being hit with all this at one time, for the first time. Try to imagine yourself seeing this back in 1997, compared to today.
I can imagine some people in the audience, back then, thinking he was making this stuff up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxguuiPgQWc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SQV7uij3sA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjtAVhwmmKk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUHXJefOcEI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr2dL9Qassk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwAtCfl3-vE&feature=related

emerald

24-10-2009, 01:21 PM

Add another child to the list:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091024/ap_on_re_us/us_missouri_girl_dead

hunkahunka

24-10-2009, 01:37 PM

Add another child to the list:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091024/ap_on_re_us/us_missouri_girl_dead

yes, interesting that her Dad is already in jail for drug possession, and a
four year term at that, which means he may have possessed a large amount
of drugs.
As usual, the gullible public is supposed to blame 'men' or 'flawed, immoral humanity' etc. for this, not the Illuminati likely behind it.

When the buses roll in to cart people away to the detention/extermination camps, half the people cheering it on, or more, will be these deluded feminist interest groups who have been convinced that humanity somehow 'deserves it', that somehow there is some 'collective immoral guilt' that
has to be atoned for in some mass human sacrifice. Exactly the same psychology is applied to warfare, in demonizing entire nations as 'enemy populations', thereby justifying incredible astrocities/genocide against innocent civilians.
In this case, mankind is again being turned upon his neighbor, as the source
of the evil is never correctly identified.

hunkahunka

25-10-2009, 10:02 AM

emerald

25-10-2009, 11:55 AM

Here's another interesting case:

http://www.mefeedia.com/news/24872906

"Who Lean To The Right Jane Doe no more – the young woman found wandering the streets of Midtown has been identified, ending nearly two weeks of waiting and wondering.

After a call to the cops, the mystery was finally solved. It turns out that the young woman was very far from home, and much older than she said she was.

The commanding officer of the New York Police Departments's missing persons squad made a rare public plea.

"We could definitely use some public assistance on this," Lt. Christopher Zimmerman said.

And it worked. Someone phoned police to say they recognized the photo of the young woman, known only as Jane Doe. Investigators believed she was a 14-year-old amnesia patient, but the caller identified her as an 18-year-old from Washington State.

She is being re-united with family there, and police say they're not going to give out her name until after that happens.

The break in the case ended weeks of mystery. The young woman wanted help, but her memory seemed to be all but erased.

"Her answers to my investigators were consistent, 'I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,'" Zimmerman said. "Very clear and concise, but 'I don't know.'"

Two weeks ago she was found wandering near Times Square, outside the Covenant House, a shelter for youth on West 41st Street. Her unusual hair and green camouflage clothing made her hard to miss.

She remembers studying for the GED, and she could recite passages from the fantasy novel "Fool's Fate," but that's about it.

"She was really quiet, never said anything to anybody, really kept to her self," Covenant House resident Jesus Jimenez said.

Now her story appears to have a fantasy ending, going from lost to found in the Big Apple.

It's still unknown how the woman made her way from Washington State to Manhattan. More answers should come after her family helps her connect the dots some more. "

hunkahunka

25-10-2009, 05:24 PM

http://www.stjohnselkhart.com/stjohnselkhart/file.php/1/Stained_Glass_Window.jpg

interesting that Methodist and Episcopal churches take communion, in that they symbolically consume human flesh and blood:

Holy Communion in the Episcopal Church :
http://www.stphilipsfrisco.org/HCommunion.php

United Methodist

United Methodists in the United States are encouraged to celebrate the Eucharist every Sunday, though it is typically celebrated on the first Sunday of each month, while a few go as long as celebrating quarterly (a tradition dating back to the days of circuit riders that served multiple churches). In the United Methodist church grape juice is often used instead of wine. The current Book of Worship of the United Methodist church says that "the pure unfermented juice of the grape, or an equivalent, shall be used during the service of Holy Communion."[23] The elements may be distributed in various ways. Communicants may receive standing, kneeling, or while seated. Gaining more wide acceptance is the practice of receiving by intinction (receiving a piece of consecrated bread or wafer, dipping it in the blessed wine, and consuming it).

http://www.hoodumc.org/anicros2.gif

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjquFhv9jtw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue2ISmeaE_o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et042-Ii__U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUSCzlnLLP0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3VstfT8Yvw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXSFiOU9C94&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nClK0UPFU-I&feature=fvw

hunkahunka

26-10-2009, 04:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nClK0UPFU-I&feature=fvw

In the above video note that at 0:55 , the narrative
says that

"another point: the pyrotechnics you are seeing going off were
being released from beneath little wrought-iron crosses about a foot
and a half tall."

http://www.hoodumc.org/anicros2.gif

emerald

26-10-2009, 10:15 PM

There are more and more:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33480916/ns/today-today_people/?GT1=43001

Metallica joins FBI in hunt for missing student
Virginia Tech student became separated from her friends at Oct. 17 concert

It has been more than a week since a 20-year-old college student called her friends at a Metallica concert to say she was outside the arena and would find her own way home. Now the famed heavy-metal rockers are participating in the search for her, adding $50,000 to the reward for information leading to her whereabouts.

While investigators attempt to discover what happened to a young woman described as open, beautiful, artistic and giving, Morgan Harrington’s parents, Dan and Gil Harrington, have been keeping a high public profile, trying to focus attention on the disappearance.

“One word that comes to mind when you think of Morgan is ‘shiny,’ ” Morgan’s mother, Gil Harrington told TODAY’s Amy Robach during a recent interview. “She was beautiful and she was beautiful inside, too. She radiated life.”

Dutiful daughter
Young adults sometimes disappear intentionally, but the Harringtons were uncommonly close to their daughter. A student at Virginia Tech, about 35 miles from her parents, she talked to her father every day and trusted him with her computer passwords and the key to her apartment. She also spoke with her mother daily and frequently returned home to visit.

On Saturday, Oct. 17, Morgan Harrington spent the day at home planning with her mother what she was going to wear at the Metallica concert she planned to attend at the University of Virginia.

Such days were the norm for the family, Gil (pronounced “Jill”) Harrington told Robach.

“It was a regular day for us: got up, made tea, had coffee, chatted some, showed the outfits, showed me how she was going to do her make-up,” the mother recalled.

Morgan went with friends to the concert. Sometime between 8:30 and 9 p.m., she called her friends to say she had gone to the restroom and ended up outside John Paul Jones Arena on the University of Virgina campus in Charlottesville. She told them she wasn’t allowed back in and would find another way home.

The next day, her phone and purse were found in a parking lot near the arena. Morgan, who never went anywhere without her cell phone, hasn’t been seen since.

“We have a purse and we have a cell phone. We have a missing girl,” Lt. Joe Rader of the Virginia State Police, told reporters last week. “We do not know whether if she is alive or has met some ill fate.”

‘Let Morgan go’
Gil Harrington said her daughter normally wouldn’t try to get home from a big event on her own, but added: “Kids are impulsive, especially in that excitement. Perhaps she knew who she could get a ride with. We don’t know. We wish we did know.”

Her parents reported her missing the next day and local and state police along with the FBI have been conducting the search for the 5-foot-6, 120-pound blonde with blue eyes.

“She’s really very a sweet person, kind of an innocent individual who probably is quite trusting,” Dan Harrington told Robach. “She’s quite artistic, loves to read, and, really, over the last six months, Gil and Morgan and I had just a phenomenal relationship. She goes to school only 35 miles from here. We’ve been able to have daily contact with her. She’s a wonderful person.”

The Harringtons also have a 22-year-old son who told his mother that if Morgan were abducted, whoever took her would have no choice but to keep her alive.

“He said, ‘Morgan has a purpose in this world, and Morgan is so special that whoever took her is going to keep her around for a while,’ ” Gil Harrington told Robach. Then, addressing the presumed abductor, she added, “So please let Morgan go. No questions asked. Let her come home to us.”

Robach asked Gil Harrington what she would say to her daughter if Morgan was listening.

Signing her words in American Sign Language, the mother looked in the camera and said, “Morgan, we are trying to shine our heart to you as a beacon to come through wherever you are. Come back home.”

Boosted by the $50,000 pledge from Metallica, there is a $150,000 reward for information that helps find Morgan Harrington. Police ask anyone with information to call 434-352-3467.

hunkahunka

28-10-2009, 03:25 PM

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o129/grondramb/fbidocumentonsymbols2.jpg

interesting that the lesbian pedophile 'girl lover' symbol also appears on a popular Israeli brand of chocolates:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/BoxkremboS.jpg

as well as on , of course. 'Golden Gaytime' icecream:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Golden_gaytime_box.jpg/450px-Golden_gaytime_box.jpg

hunkahunka

28-10-2009, 04:08 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fKllM94JQM
quote:
A carefully secluded "FAA Air Traffic Control Site" in Portland near S Glastonbury CT. The last part of video shows Nike Missile bunkers and a location that the local KKK uses for meetings. This is off Crystal Ridge Rd.

quote:

David Duke
If you read Dukes Wikipedia page, you will find an interesting sentence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_D...arly_adulthood
'Duke went to Laos for ten weeks in 1971 to teach English to Laotian military officers and to serve on cargo flights for Air America.'

He then goes on to join the KKK, helps to start the BNP and raise money for their start up costs.

FACT...
To have been involved in teaching English to the Laotian
military officers in 1971 he MUST have been in the CIA.
There is no reason to think that he ever left the CIA. /quote

the 'Bohemian Grove toy set' (found this gag image online)

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3691/bohemiangrovertoysetsml.jpg
note the kid with the eyeliner, the face, nose, & ear piercings , satanic tshirt, tattoo, black nail polish
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9329/groverface.jpg

hunkahunka

28-10-2009, 06:20 PM

Video: Monarch Chapter 5C: False Memory Syndrome Foundation and Satanic Ritual Abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fWuV1RKgl8&eurl=http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=mcmartin+preschool&hl=en&sitesearch=

repost (video link removed)

hunkahunka

28-10-2009, 06:43 PM

NY Times: Afghan Opium Kingpin On CIA Payroll

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/october2009/281009top.jpg

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, October 28, 2009

A bombshell article in today’s edition of the New York Times lifts the lid on how the brother of Afghan President Hamid Karzai, a suspected kingpin of the country’s booming opium trade, has been on the CIA payroll for the past eight years. However, the article serves as little more than a whitewash because it fails to address the fact that one of the primary reasons behind the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan was the agenda to reinstate the Golden Crescent drug trade.

“The agency pays (Ahmed Wali) Karzai for a variety of services, including helping to recruit an Afghan paramilitary force that operates at the C.I.A.’s direction in and around the southern city of Kandahar, Mr. Karzai’s home,” reports the Times.

An October 2008 report from the Times reveals how, after security forces discovered a huge tractor-trailer full of heroin outside Kandahar in 2004, “Before long, the commander, Habibullah Jan, received a telephone call from Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of President Hamid Karzai, asking him to release the vehicle and the drugs.”

In 2006, following the discovery of another cache of heroin, “United States investigators told other American officials that they had discovered links between the drug shipment and a bodyguard believed to be an intermediary for Ahmed Wali Karzai.”

The Times article out today also discusses how the CIA uses Karzai as a go-between between the Americans and the Taliban. He is also directly implicated in the manufacturing of phony ballots and polling stations that were attributed to the President’s disputed election victory.

“If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck,” the American officer said of Mr. Karzai. “Our assumption is that he’s benefiting from the drug trade.”

Officials quoted by The Times described Karzai as a Mafia-like figure who expanded his influence over the drug trade with the aid of U.S. efforts to eliminate his competitors.

The Afghan opium trade has exploded since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, following a lull after the Taliban had imposed a crackdown. According to the U.N., the drug trade is now worth $65 billion. Afghanistan produces 92 per cent of the world’s opium, with the equivalent of 3,500 tonnes leaving the country each year. Other figures put the number far higher, at around 6,100 tonnes a year.

The New York Times exposé pins the blame on Karzai, but fails to explain that one of the primary reasons behind the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan was the United States’ agenda to restore, not eradicate, the drug trade.

Before the invasion, the Taliban collaborated closely with the U.N. to reduce opium production down to just 185 tonnes, a figure at least 2000% below current levels. The notion that the “Taliban benefits from the drug trade” and that the U.S. is trying to stop it, as both Bush and Obama claimed, is the complete opposite of what is actually happening.

As Professor Michel Chossudovsky has highlighted in a series of essays, the explosion of opium production after the invasion was about the CIA’s drive to restore the lucrative Golden Crescent opium trade that was in place during the time when the Agency were funding the Mujahideen rebels to fight the Soviets, and flood the streets of America and Britain with cheap heroin, destroying lives while making obscene profits.

The Times implies that the drug lord Karzai being on the CIA payroll is little more than an embarrassing coincidence, when in reality he is just a middle manager for the U.S. military-industrial complex’s control of the drug trade in Afghanistan which stretches back decades and was only interrupted when the Taliban came to power.

“Heroin is a multibillion dollar business supported by powerful interests, which requires a steady and secure commodity flow. One of the “hidden” objectives of the war was precisely to restore the CIA sponsored drug trade to its historical levels and exert direct control over the drug routes,” writes Chossudovsky.

“As revealed in the Iran-Contra and Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) scandals, CIA covert operations in support of the Afghan Mujahideen had been funded through the laundering of drug money. “Dirty money” was recycled –through a number of banking institutions (in the Middle East) as well as through anonymous CIA shell companies–, into “covert money,” used to finance various insurgent groups during the Soviet-Afghan war, and its aftermath.”

Within two years of the CIA’s covert operation in Afghanistan, “CIA assets again controlled this heroin trade. As the Mujahideen guerrillas seized territory inside Afghanistan, they ordered peasants to plant opium as a revolutionary tax. Across the border in Pakistan, Afghan leaders and local syndicates under the protection of Pakistan Intelligence operated hundreds of heroin laboratories. During this decade of wide-open drug-dealing, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency in Islamabad failed to instigate major seizures or arrests.”

This is the history of the Afghan opium trade that the Times won’t tell you, and in failing to do so today’s article serves only to whitewash the true scale of the agenda behind the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan.

hunkahunka

01-11-2009, 08:22 PM

http://thehurstreview.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/milk-the-movie-sean-penn.jpg

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99831

Worldnet Daily

June 02, 2009

What the Sean Penn 'Milk' film censored

by Les Kinsolving

It has been more than three months since actor Sean Penn received an Academy Award for his portrayal of the late Harvey Milk.

Author and columnist Dan Flynn has noted the following:

* "My inaugural post ponders how Gus Van Sant could have made a film about Harvey Milk without casting a 'Jim Jones' role."

* "Harvey Milk and the San Francisco left allowed Jim Jones to conduct his criminal enterprise in San Francisco with impunity, as payback for his ability to supply campaign volunteers on cue."

* "It's a strange world where merely being homosexual and subscribing to a few fashionable leftist beliefs can erase a shameful supporting role enabling the mass murdering of 914 people. Going to the Fourth Estate was also a fruitless endeavor, as San Francisco media institutions such as columnist Herb Caen were boosters of Jones and his Peoples Temple."

"When veteran journalist Les Kinsolving penned an eight-part investigative report on Peoples Temple for the San Francisco Examiner in 1972, his editors buckled under pressure from Jones and killed the report halfway through.

"Kinsolving quipped that the Peoples Temple was 'the best-armed house of God in the land,' detailed the kidnapping and possible murder of disgruntled members, exposed Jones' phony faith healing, highlighted Jones' vile school-sanctioned sex talk with children and directed attention toward the Peoples Temple's massive welfare fraud that funded its operations."

"Unfortunately four of the series of eight articles were jettisoned after Jones unleashed hundreds of protesters to the San Francisco Examiner, a programmed letter-writing campaign and a threatened lawsuit against the paper. The Examiner promptly issued a laudatory article on Jones. …

"Frisco politicians like Harvey Milk never seemed to care how Jones could, at the snap of his fingers, direct hundreds of people to stack a public meeting or volunteer for a campaign and never bothered to do anything to inhibit the dangerous cult operating in his city."

"Instead, he aided and abetted a homicidal maniac. It wasn't just local hacks Jones commanded respect from. He held court with future first lady Rosalynn Carter, vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale and California Governor Jerry Brown."

"The guy who killed more African-Americans than the Ku Klux Klan was awarded a Martin Luther King Jr. humanitarian award and won the plaudits of California Lieutenant Governor Mervyn Dymally, State Assemblyman Willie Brown, radical academic Angela Davis, preacher/politician Jesse Jackson, Black Panther leader Huey Newton and other African-American activists."

San Francisco homosexual activist Michael Bellfountaine of Act-Up/SF – who in May of 2007 died of complications from HIV – wrote the following:

"Harvey Milk's name appears throughout San Francisco. A municipal railway station and plaza, a park and recreation building and one of the city's most influential political clubs are all named in his memory. A local elementary school is known as the Harvey Milk Civil Rights Academy, and the Eureka Valley Library is now called the Harvey Milk Branch. The theme for this year's Gay Pride Parade was 'Give Them Hope,' Milk's inspirational rally cry from gays and lesbians in San Francisco to their brothers and sisters living in rural America. The International Gay and Lesbian Historical Society is producing an extensive exhibit of Milk memorabilia, which includes the blood-stained suit he was wearing when he and Mayor George Moscone were gunned down in San Francisco City Hall on November 27, 1978. Twenty-five years after his murder, Harvey Milk has been catapulted to the level of gay martyr. Without question, he has left his mark on San Francisco. Despite all the exhibits and memorials of Harvey Milk throughout San Francisco, though, none of them acknowledges Milk's relationship with Jim Jones and Peoples Temple ... the gay historical society's exhibit is titled 'Saint Harvey.'"

Bellfountaine went on to note that after Milk and Mayor Moscone were killed, in the aftermath of their murders all mention of connections between Milk, Moscone and Jones were intentionally obscured. Out of respect for the politicians, their followers took all necessary steps to sever Milk and Moscone from the pariah Jim Jones.

On closer inspection, however, it is clear that Harvey Milk was a strong advocate for Peoples Temple and Jim Jones during his political career, including the tumultuous year leading up to the Jonestown tragedy. Milk spoke at the Temple often, wrote personal letters to Jim Jones, contacted other elected officials on the Temples' behalf and used space in his weekly column to support the works of the Temple, even after the negative New West article went to press. Milk appeared in the pages of the Peoples Forum, the Temple newspaper, and received over 50 letters of sympathy from residents of Jonestown when his lover, Jack Lira, killed himself in September 1978.

hunkahunka

01-11-2009, 08:53 PM

interview discussing the relationship between Jim Jones and Harvey Milk, the double assassination
of Milk and San Francisco Mayor George Moscone immediately after Jonestown, etc.

audio:

About this podcast: Randy Thomasson and researcher Daniel Flynn discuss the truth about late homosexual activist Harvey Milk, and expose the dark side of this gay-agenda hero.

listen:
http://savecalifornia.com/podcast-7-24-09-the-truth-about-harvey-milk.html

hunkahunka

01-11-2009, 09:36 PM

Don’t Drink the Kool Aid on Harvey Milk

by Daniel J. Flynn

How could Gus Van Sant have made a movie about Harvey Milk without casting an actor to play Jim Jones? The biggest story out of San Francisco in November 1978 was not the murder of Mayor George Moscone and City Councilman Harvey Milk by a crazed Dan White. It was the murder of more than 900 people, most of them former denizens of the Bay area, orchestrated in the jungles of Guyana by Jim Jones, a political ally of Milk and Moscone. Jones provided his robot-like followers as volunteers to San Francisco politicians sharing his left-wing views. In return, they allowed him to conduct his criminal ministry with impunity. Moscone, in fact, had appointed Jones chairman of the city’s housing authority. Milk aided and abetted the communist psychopath by describing Jim Jones to President Jimmy Carter as “a man of the highest character” who had “undertaken constructive remedies for social problems which have been amazing in their scope and effectiveness.” Though Hollywood would rather forget, it is worth remembering that Harvey Milk, before being martyred by Dan White and canonized by Penn’s biopic, shamelessly promoted one of modern American history’s great villains.
*******************
note: it is possible that Harvey Milk and Mayor Moscone were assassinated
due to their close knowledge of Jim Jones and his Mkultra operations.
They were killed in a double hit at San Francisco City Hall, ten days after the entire
Jonestown CIA operation was shut down and 'mopped up' via mass killings
of everyone involved.

hunkahunka

01-11-2009, 11:27 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Gerry_Poster.jpg

Speaking of Gus Van Sant, I found that one of his films, Gerry, is
actually based on a true story, of two hikers who became lost
in the desert, and one purportedly murdered the other. What is odd is
that the killer ended up doing only 1.5 years in jail, even though
the autopsy and circumstantial evidence revealed his story to
be a complete lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHKhsXvjMo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_%28film%29

Gerry

Gerry is a 2002 film directed by Gus Van Sant, written by and starring Matt Damon and Casey Affleck. It was shot in a semi-improvised style with a small crew in Argentina, Death Valley, and the Utah Salt Flats, and is dedicated to the memory of Ken Kesey.

The characters drive into the desert for a hike, to view a "thing" at the end of a wilderness trail. At the beginning of the hike, other hikers can often be seen nearby. After some walking, talking, and an impromptu foot race, they agree on their mutual disinterest in the site and decide to head back. It is only then they realize that they are lost in the desert.

The more the two try to work together to orient themselves and retrace their steps, the more dire their fate becomes; while at the same time, they grow increasingly irritated with each other. In their last day of wandering, mostly in silence, both protagonists collapse due to fatigue and dehydration. The weaker of the two (Affleck) proclaims that he is "leaving," and makes furtive motions toward strangling Damon's character, whereupon, Damon struggles on top of Affleck, dispassionately strangling him instead, before collapsing again.

After some time, Damon is awakened by the sound of an tractor trailer engine and heads with renewed energy in its direction. A highway appears through the fog, and Damon hitches a ride with a family, whom he watches in stunned silence.

The plot of the film shares some commonalities with the events surrounding the death of David Coughlin, who was killed by his friend Raffi Kodikian after the two became lost in Rattlesnake Canyon in New Mexico.

********

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffi_Kodikian

Killing of David Coughlin

The killing of David Coughlin occurred in the United States in 1999.

David Coughlin was killed in 1999 by Raffi Kodikian, after the two had become lost while hiking. Kodikian pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and served 16 months.[1] He was released in November 2001.

Rattlesnake Canyon

Kodikian and Coughlin, best friends since college, were in their twenties and lived in Boston, Massachusetts. Kodikian was an aspiring journalist and Coughlin was a traffic policy analyst.

In July 1999, the two set off on a road trip from Boston to California, where Coughlin planned to attend graduate school. On August 4, they arrived at Rattlesnake Canyon in Carlsbad Caverns National Park and made camp.

After days of hiking, the two became lost and dehydrated. Kodikian and Coughlin had only brought three pints of water and one pint of Gatorade.[2] One pint of water was used to boil hot dogs during their first evening in the canyon. Although they had a topographical map, neither knew how to properly read it.[1][3] The two took extreme measures, including licking rocks, eating cactus fruit, even drinking their own urine. Kodikian abandoned the idea of drinking his own urine after gagging.

The third night, Coughlin began vomiting, according to Kodikian. On August 8, Kodikian wrote in his journal:
“ "I killed & burried (sic) my best friend today. Dave had been in pain all night. At around 5 or 6, he turned to me & begged that I put my knife through his chest. I did, & a second time when he wouldn't die."[4] ”

Lance Mattson, a park ranger who had been searching for the campers, discovered Kodikian badly dehydrated. When the ranger inquired about Coughlin, Kodikian pointed to a pile of rocks and replied, "I killed him."[1]
[edit] Investigation and trial

Kodikian's attorney, Gary Mitchell, described the killing as an act of kindness. He further stated that it was part of a death pact between the friends and Kodikian intended to kill himself too, but was too weak to do so. Eddy County sheriff, Michael A. "Chunky" Click stated that Kodikian was "moderately to severely dehydrated," and wasn't close to dying when Mattson found him.[4] Authorities further noted that Kodikian had buried Coughlin's body under rocks, some weighing more than 70 pounds.[2] The weight of the rocks and the completion of the task seemed remarkable for someone seriously dehydrated.[2][4] The autopsy on Coughlin revealed that while he was dehydrated, it didn't appear to be fatal.[2][4]

While one theory was that Coughlin confessed to having earlier had a liaison with an ex-girlfriend of Kodikian, Sheriff Click sent Capt. Eddie Carrasco to Boston, but Carrasco discovered nothing.
“ "No one I talked with ever heard a cross word between them. They were the best of friends."[4] ”

At his trial, Kodikian pleaded guilty to second-degree murder. During the sentencing part of Kodikian's trial, it became clear that Coughlin's vomiting was not indicative of severe dehydration but instead was most likely a reaction to unripe cactus fruit.

While Kodikian faced a possible maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, he was instead sentenced by District Judge Jay Forbes to 15 years with all but two years suspended, followed by five years of probation.[5]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/740000/images/_744172_kodikian150.jpg
Raffi Kodikian

- Coughlin was stabbed twice in the chest (ritual?)
- his body buried under a mound of stones (ritual?)
- Coughlin's character (played by Casey Affleck) in the Van Sant film wears a t-shirt with a star on it:

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/g/images/gerry-3.jpg
http://filmjournal.net/clydefro/files/2006/12/gerry-poster.jpg

is this shirt some macabre joke by Van Sant, in that Coughlin
was the star attraction , the star of the show in some strange
project?

Knowing what we now know about Gus Van Sant films, at a guess
the true story of what really happened to David Coughlin is buried in
some CIA blackops file. I can speculate.

Maybe the two stumbled upon something that they weren't supposed to see in that New Mexico desert, and something was done ritually to both silence Coughlin, and to wipe Raffi Kodikian's memory and make him falsely confess to the murder of David Coughlin.

Maybe 'project' Raffi Kodikian's assignment was to deliver Coughlin to a specified desert location for ritual cult slaughter (stabbed in chest twice). In which case there would have been a group of black ops programmers & cult members present.

I haven't seen the film Gerry yet. When I watch it, I may find more of the clues to this that Van Sant likes to include in his films.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VumMNt2bwyg/SGtRLjCGNcI/AAAAAAAAAK0/bFRl_RNnro0/s320/gerry%2B3.jpg

http://stores.homestead.com/unitedindependentmedia/catalog/Gerry-DVD.jpg
twinning? In this film, both main characters go by the name of Gerry

hunkahunka

02-11-2009, 04:23 AM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeFwPZvI6W0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOdbQpf3WU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ak6g-76t0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvjFso5kxOs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qc9FCTSD-M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LmCH-BnjO8&feature=related

hunkahunka

02-11-2009, 06:36 PM

I have long suspected that the Salem witch trials either never
actually took place (an elaborate lie) or were a type of false flag operation,
similar to other false flag ops that we know about throughout history.

Maybe the idiocy which was credited to the christian Puritans of Salem
(the people purportedly involved therein) achieved its real intended purpose of 'chilling'
or discrediting any actual christian opposition to the occult operations that were planned for the region.

The more I research this, the more I agree with the
idea that the Salem witch trials were likely a false flag event, if any
semblance of such idiocy even took place, in reality, at all.

Here is how an occultist false flag incident at Salem would be done:

- pose as an idiot christian denomination
- claim to have killed 25 obviously innocent people
- reveal that it is motivated by the 'christian intolerance' of the day.
- blame it all, by association, on the the 'idiot Puritans' of the Salem region

In other words, a typical false flag operation, where you either:

- commit crimes and blame them on your enemies in order to discredit them. (and since the Puritans were purportedly a separate christian denomination, other christian denominations would unquestioningly accept this version of events as the unvarnished truth, so long as their own particular denomination was not tainted by the Puritan idiocy)

or :

- claim that crimes were committed which never even occurred, drawing upon
the credibility and stature of prominent people to lend veracity to these lies,
and then blame those fictional crimes on your enemies in order to discredit them.

Though the Puritan christian denomination/establishment of Salem was supposedly responsible for these 'lawful' crimes ,these tales of barbarity would have portrayed all christian opposition to the occult as "stupid & potentially dangerous". (Especially when you include the fact that some of the alleged victims of the salem witch trials were themselves christians.)

It is notable that Danvers State Hospital (and Oz programming farm, complete with railroad access) was located in Salem, Massachusetts, on the very hill where the Salem witch
trials allegedly took place, and built on the former house site of John Hathorn, one of the Salem trial judges.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Danvers_State_Hospital%2C_Danvers%2C_Massachusetts %2C_Kirkbride_Complex%2C_circa_1893.jpg/800px-Danvers_State_Hospital%2C_Danvers%2C_Massachusetts %2C_Kirkbride_Complex%2C_circa_1893.jpg
The glacial drumlin that the Danvers State asylum sat on once was the site of the home
of John Hathorne ,one of the judges in the Salem witch trials.

Innocence by Association

It is notable that the occult complex known at the time as
Danvers State Lunatic Hospital was built at the exact
place/location of the historical incident that served most to discredit
any Christian opposition to the occult in America.

Consider this: While all of the christians of Salem were made 'guilty by association' with the Puritans, maybe then also Salem's practitioners of darkest sorcery were made 'innocent by association' with the falsely accused victims of the Salem witch trials.

Think of it this way. If today, this very day, one were to try to start a 'witch hunt' of occultists, where would there be the least likely prospect of finding a warm welcome? Maybe a place
like...... Salem ,Massachusetts?

If one were a Christian back in 1870, and one didn't like what was going
on at places like Danvers State Hospital (forced druggings, electroshock, lobotomy,ice baths,
isolation chambers, the splitting of personalities, SRA etc.?) one best not be even thinking of
organizing a demonstration, rallying a crowd, and traveling to Salem, Massachusetts, of all places, and accusing the 19th century programmers at Danvers State Hospital of witchcraft (Oz programming, satanic ritual abuse, near death trauma programming, etc.)

Going witch hunting in Salem Massachusetts in 1870 , or any time thereafter, would have been the equivalent of trying to hold a nazi rally/jew hunt in modern day Auschwitz.

Because by 1870, there had been over two hundred years for word to get
out about "those horrible christian Puritans of Salem who'd been such idiots
and so cruel", etc, back in the 1600's.

The Salem area would surely have been completely purged of the evil 'witch hunters' by the time Danvers State Hospital was built. Not only purged, but the region would be prepared, fortified and inoculated, with potential to repel 'any invasion of barbaric witch hunters.' "Never again!"
would be the sentiment drilled into the local sensibilities, & their devotions dispensed with a relish bordering on zealotry.

"And, ah gots a message fo all you goddam witch hunners: y'all
best not come round Salem no more, ya heah me?"

Another odd coincidence is that John Hawthorn, the Salem witch trial judge, upon whose land Danvers State Hospital was eventually built, was the great great grandfather
of 19th century author Nathaniel Hawthorne, who wrote similar fictions to the Salem witch
trial fictions, (works similarly fictional, imo) , and similarly casting Christians in an unfavorable light.

Nathaniel Hawthorne authored 'The Scarlett Letter', a historical fiction novel in which, purportedly, Christian belief required that adulterers in Puritan society be publicly whipped, forced to wear an A on their clothes forever onward, or even killed.

Coincidentally, guess from where Nathaniel Hawthorne drew this historical reference for this 'fact' of 17th century Puritan life?

He drew on records of his own Puritan great great grandfather John Hawthorn, who seems to be the common christian villain in all of this.

The same witch trial judge John Hawthorn, who was allegedly stupid enough to drown innocent
women out of superstition.

Allegedly, John Hawthorn was also a villain who ordered whippings of adulteresses, red A's on clothing, etc. So, this John Hawthorn was quite the character. Killing innocent people because they might be witches (fail the witch water test) and whipping pregnant women, were all, ostensibly, on the average evil christian Puritan's list of purely stupid daily delights.

So, it surely must have all happened, in reality, just exactly the way Nathaniel Hawthorne claimed that it did in his historical fiction novels, right?

Hawthorne's 'Scarlett Letter' novel was also nice enough to include the character of Puritan Reverend Arthur Dimmesdale as the adulterous villain who fathered the baby of an already married woman. (those puritan christians again! hypocrites, and sexist too. only the woman was ever punished! blah blah blah)

Or could it be that both Nathaniel Hawthorne and his ancestral forefather John Hawthorn
both had an interest in depicting Christians as superstitious, ignorant, and barbaric?

And another misleading factor is that though 17th century Boston/Massachusetts law provided for the legal execution of adulterers, and this has been cited as veracity of the claims made
by Hawthorne and other writers of historical fiction, there is only one alleged case (Latham/Britton 1644) where anyone was ever purportedly executed for it)

Danvers State Hospital & Farm (and near-death trauma programming facility etc)
were built on land thoroughly purged of 'Puritans', in Salem.

(The occultist propaganda has been so effective, that the phrase, 'christian puritans', has become a derisive, catch-all phrase for anyone who believes in basic christian principles, and anyone interested in opposing anything corrupt is accused of fomenting a 'witch hunt'.)

http://masteroftheuniverse.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/franklin1.jpg
Hellfire Club member Benjamin Franklin (who discovered electricity and thereby enabled the invention of electroshock,which was one of the first uses found for electricity)

Benjamin Franklin authored a confirmed hoax news report of christian persecution of witches in 1730. His hoax was basically a 'New Jersey version' of the Salem witch trial hoax, alleging that evil christians were persecuting innocent people again, only this time in New Jersey (the story was later admitted to be a hoax by the newspaper, of which Ben Franklin was the actual publisher):
quote:
"On October 22, 1730, The Pennsylvania Gazette printed an article entitled A Witch Trial at Mount Holly. The story, whose author is thought to be Benjamin Franklin (who published the Gazette), contains a description of a witch trial in southern New Jersey. The Salem witch trials had occurred just thirty-eight years before, leading to the death of twenty-five people. The beliefs that led to the trials were still prevalent in Franklin's day, and Franklin, a man of science, wanted to expose such things as ludicrous "

the text of his article linked below:

A Witch Trial at Mount Holly
by Benjamin Franklin
The Pennsylvania Gazette, October 22, 1730

Burlington, Oct. 12. Saturday last at Mount-Holly, about 8 Miles from this Place, near 300 People were gathered together to see an Experiment or two tried on some Persons accused of Witchcraft.
link:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/text/display/the_witch_trial_at_mount_holly_text

Amusing location he picked for his hoax too. 'Mount Holly'.

Benjamin Franklin was born a Puritan in Massachusetts, btw, as was John Hawthorn born a Puritan in Massachusetts, as was his descendant Nathaniel Hawthorne (who added an e to the end of his name to conceal his lineage) born in Massachusetts.

Interesting that both Franklin and Hawthorne
were so eager to discredit Puritans in their writings, when both were of prominent Puritan lineage.

Nathaniel Hawthorne also authored the unfinished manuscript 'Septimius Felton',

An H. P. Lovecraft Encyclopedia says that "The Dreams in the Witch House" was "heavily influenced by Nathaniel Hawthorne's unfinished novel Septimius Felton".[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dreams_in_the_Witch_House

The Dreams in the Witch House
Plot summary

Walter Gilman, a student of mathematics and folklore at Miskatonic University, takes a room in the Witch House, a house in Arkham thought to be accursed. The first part of the story is an account of the history of the house, which has once harboured Keziah Mason, an accused witch who disappeared mysteriously from a Salem gaol in 1692. Gilman discovers that for the better part of two centuries many if not most of its occupants have died prematurely.

The dimensions of Gilman's room in the house are unusual, and seem to conform to a kind of unearthly geometry that Gilman theorizes can enable travel from one plane or dimension to another. In his dreams Gilman is taken to a city of Lovecraft's "Elder Things", and even brings back tangible evidence that he's actually been there. Several times his dreaming self encounters a bizarre "congeries (agglomeration) of iridescent, prolately spheroidal bubbles", as well as a trapezoidal figure, both of which seem sapient.

Of much more direct concern, however, are Gilman's nightly dream sojourns with the old hag Keziah Mason and her rat-bodied, human-faced familiar Brown Jenkin, sojourns which he increasingly believes are actually happening in the real world. One night, along with this duo and the infamous "Black Man", Gilman is an unwilling dream participant in the kidnapping of a baby. He awakes to find mud on his shoe and news of the kidnapping in the newspaper.

On May Eve (Walpurgis Night), Gilman dreams that he thwarts Keziah from sacrificing the baby, only to have it killed by Brown Jenkin. Coming back to wakefulness in this plane, Gilman hears an unearthly cosmic sound that leaves him deaf. The next morning, Gilman is found dead in his room in the Witch House, a hole burrowed through his chest and his heart eaten out.

The landlord then abandons the house completely, and when it is finally demolished years later, a space between the walls is found filled with children bones, a sacrificial knife, and a bowl made of some metal that scientists are unable to identify. A strange stone statuette of a star-headed "Elder Thing" is also found, and these items go on display in the Miskatonic University museum, where they continue to mystify scholars.

video:

interesting trailer for a film which was indirectly based on an an unfinished novel by
Nathaniel Hawthorne, an HP Lovecraft story involving dissociative MPD crime, Salem witches, & baby sacrifice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1NIpXjuIPM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2eLH1FMIyw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsxkRNvEbhM

A final note. Our superior breeders, social engineers, master farmers of souls,
may have had a master plan in mind when they were setting up occult centers such as Salem, Massachussetts (aka Danvers, Massachusetts) Were they planning to manufacture fruits and vegetables in their 'farms'?
Like any good farmer, you first prepare the soil by tilling it or turning it upside down.

The Salem witch trial, & other hoaxes of the time, depicted 'puritans' as thoroughly tainted.
Puritans as evil.

(pure = evil, occult = good, etc. ) Turn everything upside down, plow everything deep into the mud, wait for the fertile rot to set in.

The soil of the region was carefully prepared, in advance, because ,in time, it would be needed to nourish the fruits and vegetables produced by such places as Danvers State Hospital.

It is my suspicion that the same group of occultists may have created the Salem witch trial hoax, thereby built Salem, Massachusetts into an occult haven, and then built Danvers State Hospital (on their own land) in which to house a large inmate slave population & 'mass produce' shattered individuals for various purposes, including the breeding of babies
for ritual sacrifice and ritual cannibalism.

bradstone

02-11-2009, 06:38 PM

Why is it so hard to believe that a heroin addict with gender confusion issues and a history of depression, might actually have killed himself?

After such a long and exhaustive thread, there is still absolutely no evidence presented that Cobain was murdered by the CIA.

This thread is a disgrace to the forum.

hunkahunka

02-11-2009, 08:24 PM

This thread is a disgrace to the forum.

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hunkahunka

02-11-2009, 09:07 PM

http://www.videodetective.com/titledetails.aspx?PublishedID=912329

hunkahunka

03-11-2009, 02:31 AM

http://www.henrymakow.com/benjamin_franklin-_mason_and_j.html

Benjamin Franklin- Freemason and Jew

September 23, 2009

http://www.henrymakow.com/portrait_benjamin_franklin.jpg(Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790)

by Fritz Springmeier
(Fritz Springmeier is an American hero who is serving a prison term for getting too close to the truth. This excerpt is from the self-published "Be Wise as Serpents, Gentle as Doves.")

A very famous Jewish Mason, born in Boston to descendants of the Puritan tradition is Benjamin Franklin. His father and mother were
Josiah and Abiah Franklin. Benjamin Franklin contributed to the Mikveh Israel Jewish congregation in Philadelphia. But Franklin
did not practice Judaism. He did practice the occult, and things that would be weird to Christians. He became the head of the very
occultic Grand Orient Freemasons when he was in France. Franklin's life was surrounded by Freemasons. Franklin's role in the establishment and promotion of Freemasonry is overwhelming. His role in the destruction of Christianity is quite unknown.

Franklin's career as a Freemason is shrouded in mystery. This Author has in his library the somewhat rare book Benjamin Franklin as a Freemason by Julius Sachse (J.F. Sachse is the last of a line of Sachses in the World Order.) This leading Masonic scholar writes, "To write the history of Franklin as a Freemason is virtually to chronicle the early Masonic history of America....A great difficulty, however, here confronts us, notwithstanding the
prominence of FRANKLIN in Pennsylvania Freemasonry; strange as it appears, he does not mention a word of his Masonic connections or career in his Autobiography, or in any of his correspondence, with but two exceptions, so far as known. This omission is the more
remarkable when we look at his Masonic career while in France during the later years of his life. There, his activity and intimacy with the Brethren was intimate and close, both personal
and official, FRANKLIN taking an active part in their proceedings, even advancing to the so-called higher degrees."56 In spite of all his many duties, Benjamin Franklin was "never
absent from a [Masonic] meeting."57

The Masonic Lodge played such a big role in Franklin's life, and yet Franklin never even hints about Freemasonry in his autobiography. The editor of his autobiography points out that
Franklin tried to portray an unreal persona in his autobiography, but one that Franklin felt people would want to emulate.58 If Masonry is so virtuous, one wonders why it plays no role in his autobiography which was written on purpose to create an image worthy of emulation.
Benjamin Franklin was the founder of the American Philosophical Society.59 He was also a Rosicrucian.60 In Feb. 1730, it appears he was initiated into St. John's Lodge of Philadelphia.61 And in 1727, he started the secret revolutionary political society called
the Leather Apron Club which changed its name in 1731 to Junto, and took on the appearance of being a literary society.62 The same year that this "literary" society changed its name, the St. John's Masonic Lodge that Franklin belonged to got in touch with the Grand
Lodge of London whose Grand Master the Duke of Norfolk appointed Daniel Coxe. Daniel Coxe advised the Masons when he arrived of a plan for the federation of the colonies.63 In 1754, while deputy Grand Master, Franklin unveiled at Albany, NY to his brother Masons
his plan to unite all the colonies under one government.64 Albany was the site of one the earliest Scottish Rite's Lodge of Perfection.

Between Jan 21, 1769 and Jan. 21, 1772 a series of inflammatory letters called The Letters of Junius, which were written in England, were circulated through out the American colonies. The
letters advanced those causes that the colonists would declare to be the causes of their revolution, human rights, freedom of the press, and taxation without representation. The letters were read by Franklin and many of the Masons who initiated the American
Revolution. The man who wrote these letters according to his niece, was the Reverend James Wilmot (1726-1808) a Mason and rector of Barton-on-the-Heath, in Warwickshire in 1785. He also was the first person to publicly name Bacon as the author of Shakespeare's
works.65 He also apparently was in contact with the Lodge of Nine Sisters in France that Franklin would join in 1777.66

"Historians have never ceased to wonder at the enormous psychological influence which Franklin exercised in colonial politics. But up to the present day, few indeed are those who have realized that the source of his power lay in the secret societies to which he belonged and which he was the appointed spokesman."67

Independence Hall which became the famous center of the Revolution was built by the Masons. It is believed by some that the Mason Benjamin Franklin laid its cornerstone, others say it was another Freemason instead.

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN & RELIGION

Some of Franklin's Masonic brothers in France were impressed by the rituals, etc. that he thought up for a new religion. Turning our attention to a different aspect of Franklin's, in a
statement of beliefs Franklin states, "I conceive then, that the INFINITE has created many beings or Gods... It may be that these created Gods are immortal; or it may be that after many Ages, they are changed, and others Supply their Places."68 Not only were Franklin's beliefs not Christian, but in the later years of his life all the Christian standards were violated, so
that it is really a travesty of honest reporting, that Franklin is held up by so many as a role model for Protestants. The distortions in the popular history books about Franklin are but a microcosm of the distortions that history books in general suffer from.

His mother was very concerned that he had joined the Freemasons, and strongly objected. In diplomatic double-talk he advised her not to worry about what she didn't know about. "As to the Freemasons, unless she will believe me when I assure her that they are in
general a very harmless sort of People; and have no principles or Practices that are inconsistent with Religion or good Manners, I know no Way of giving my Mother a better Opinion of them than she seems to have at present (since it is not allow'd that Women should
be admitted into that secret Society)... I must entreat her to suspend Judgment till she is better inform'd,..."69 To paraphrase-- So Mom I can't tell you anything more, but don't judge until you're well informed about us.

--

55. Friedman, op. cit. (Jewish Pioneers & Patriots), p.125
56. Sachse, Julius F.(33°) Benjamin Franklin as a Freemason.
Philadelphia,PA: Compiled by order of the Grand Master of
Pennslyvannia, 1906, p. 1.
57. ibid., p. 103 quoting Dr. Mease who had access to Masonic
documents in 1811, that are not available anymore.
58. Lemisch, L. Jesse, ed. Benjamin Franklin the Autobiography and
Other Writings. NY: The New American Library, 1961, pp. vii-xii.
59. Lemisch, op. cit., pp. 121, 205-9
60. Various Rosicrucian sources.
61. Sachse, op. cit. p.13
62. cf. Sachse, op. cit. pp. 7, 8, 15
63. Fay, Bernard. Revolution and Freemasonry, pp. 230-231.
64. Sachse, op. cit., p. 88.
65. Hall, Manly P.(33°) America's Assignment with Destiny. Los
Angeles, CA: Philosophical Research Soc., 1951, pp.85-87.
66. cf. ibid., and Sachse, op. cit. p. 5.
67. Hall, Manly P. The Secret Destiny of America. Los Angeles, CA:
Philosophical Research Soc, 1972, p. 133.
68. Lemisch. Benjamin Franklin The Autobiography and Other
Writings, pp. 329-330 from Smyth, Albert Henry, ed. The Writings of
Benjamin Franklin Collected and Edited with a life and
Introduction, NY: 1905, pp. 411-12.
69. Lemisch, op. cit., pp. 319-320.

hunkahunka

03-11-2009, 02:18 PM

It is my suspicion that the same group of occultists may have created the Salem witch trial hoax, & thereby built Salem, Massachusetts into an occult haven, and then built Danvers State Hospital (on their own land) in which to house a large inmate slave population & 'mass produce' shattered individuals for various purposes, including the breeding of babies
for ritual sacrifice and ritual cannibalism.

Nathaniel Hawthorne was also an expert on Greek literature, and wrote an English
children's book which was a compilation of translated Greek legends/myths
by the title of Tanglewood Tales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanglewood_Tales).

I still wonder about Greek food after reading of Salome having had the head of
John the Baptist served to her on a platter:

http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/142277/1/Salome-Presents-The-Head-Of-John-The-Baptist-At-Herod$27s-Feast,-1537.jpg

Could it be that the Hawthorn's were into more than just Greek literature?
Why stop there?
Could it be that they were into reviving the whole Greek thing? The Greek slavery tradition? The Greek brain recipes, the Greek boy sex, etc? Even the Greek occult rituals
and mystery school secrets?
Is that what the Masonic New World Order is really all about? Rebuilding and restoring
the ancient occult slave empires/societies of Egypt, Greece, and Rome, and restoring our cannibalistic 'natural masters' to their former glory?

Speaking of brain recipes, I read somewhere that Benjamin Franklin was into eating pineal glands, and that all sorts of ancient Rosicrucian rituals took place in the secret underground caves of the Hellfire Club.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Tanglewood.Tales.cover.jpg

alexs_law

03-11-2009, 04:14 PM

Excellent thread hunkahunka! Props for your dedicated work!

Maybe off topic, but i immidiately thought about this rapper named Cage when i read "project orange", and in relations to mind control, cia, military operations etc and his song named "Agent Orange"

In my younger days i heard alot of rap music( i still do, but not commercial (never did actually) or destructive rap/music) and listened to different shit via my friends, for example this emcee named Cage. Remember i thought his violent and fucked up lyrics came from some kid who recently got released from the nuthouse, as he sounded like a disturbed, misunderstood madman who cried for help and attention. He sounds truly like someone who has "DID"

One of his alters was Alex from the Clockwork Orange

Anyway i checked out the biography on him at wikipedia here is what i found:

Early life
Palko was born in Würzburg, Germany to American parents. His father, Bill Murray, was stationed on a West German military base as a member of the military police.[1] Palko lived there until the age of four when Murray was dishonorably discharged for selling and using heroin, and the family was sent back to the United States where they lived in Middletown, New York. Murray would often force Palko to pull homemade tourniquets around his arm as he injected heroin. At the age of eight, Palko's father was arrested during a standoff with state troopers after threatening his family with a shotgun.[2][3] By the time Palko was kicked out of high school, his mother had remarried twice, and he was beaten by his stepfather. Palko began using LSD, mescaline, cannabis and alcohol, and was sent to live with his uncle on a German military base, where he was beaten and sent home after a year.

Palko was arrested several times for drug possession and fighting in the streets. When he faced jail time for violating probation, his mother convinced the judge that he was mentally unstable, and he was sent to the Stoney Lodge psychiatric hospital for a two week evaluation. He eventually ended up staying in the hospital for eighteen months, where he was a part of a small group used to test fluoxetine.[3][4] After being misdiagnosed and placed on the drug, he became suicidal and made several attempts to kill himself, including hanging himself with his shoelaces and saving his lithium dose for a month before ingesting all of them at once.[2][3] He was illegally restrained over twenty times for periods of up to thirteen hours at a time by straitjacket and ten point bed restraints.[1][3]

Early career
When Palko was released at the age of eighteen, he pursued a career as a rapper, naming himself "Alex", after the protagonist of Anthony Burgess' novel A Clockwork Orange.[1] After hiring a manager and recording a demo, he was introduced to rapper Pete Nice, and Cage was featured on the 1993 album Dust to Dust. Pete Nice also introduced Palko to radio personality Bobbito García, who featured Palko on his program several times, increasing his reputation amongst New York's underground hip hop scene, where he became associated with KMD, Kurious Jorge, K-Solo, Godfather Don, Artifacts, Pharoahe Monch and El-P. Palko signed with Columbia Records, but frequently recorded while intoxicated, and the label found his efforts to be unsatisfactory.[2] Palko briefly put his career on hold and his drug use increased.[3]

When García founded the label Fondle 'Em Records, he offered Palko a record deal, and Cage released a single featuring the songs "Radiohead" and "Agent Orange" in 1997 to success and acclaim.[1] Following the release of The Slim Shady EP, Palko accused Eminem of imitating his style.[5][6] After several more singles with Fondle 'Em, Palko met Mr. Eon and DJ Mighty Mi of High and Mighty, and the trio formed the group Smut Peddlers, releasing the album Porn Again on Rawkus Records. The album peaked at #10 on the Billboard Heatseekers chart, #43 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart, and #184 on the Billboard 200, while its single "That Smut" peaked at #9 on the Hot Rap Singles chart and #96 on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks chart.[7]

Eastern Conference, Definitive Jux
Palko signed with Eastern Conference Records, releasing his debut album, Movies for the Blind, on August 6, 2002. It peaked at #12 on the Heatseekers chart, #14 on the Top Independent Albums chart, #58 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart, and #193 on the Billboard 200.[8] Palko later stated that the album "sort of glorified drugs" and that he felt the album was "crazy for the sake of being crazy [...] [It] was just kind of an angsty, bullshit record. A few songs on there I liked, and I had a few things to say that were fragmented in there within a lot of randomness".[9] During this period, Palko formed the group The Weathermen, named after the left-wing political organization.[4] The group released their debut album, "The Conspiracy" on June 3, 2003 before Palko left Eastern Conference over alleged non-payment.[3] An extended play, Weatherproof, was released on July 29, 2003.

Because Palko felt that he should no longer play a character, he began to take on a more open writing style,[3] and signed with Definitive Jux, where he released his second studio album, Hell's Winter on September 20, 2005. Palko is quoted as saying "I make progressive rap, it's as simple as that. [...] I don't live for drugs anymore, I don't support them, and I'm not about to make a million songs about them anymore."[9] Hell's Winter peaked at #26 on the Top Heatseekers chart and at #36 on the Top Independent Albums chart.[10] In an in interview with actor Shia LaBeouf for Vanity Fair, LaBeouf expressed interest in starring as Palko in a possible film biography.[11] On November 30, 2007, Spin reported that the film would go into production.[12]

After signing to eastern conference records i think he was about to break off his programming. Then he moved to El-P's Definitive Jux which was an underground alternative hiphop label whp is anti illuminati etc, d-lux! El-P took Cage under his wings and saved him from his earlier mind programming. He went good guy after signing to El-P's label where he released Hell's Winter which i haven't heard. I hope for heavens sake he hasn't been stepforded, sounds very suspiciously when Hollywood wants to make film biography of him though...

In later time Def Jux has escaleted to become a well known alternative hiphop music label with an artist rooster with truthseekers and speakers like: The Perceptionists aka Mr Lif and Akrobatik, Aesop Rock, El-P and Cannibal Ox among others.

PS! I believe his father also went through heavy mind control programs in thread to his extreme behaviour.

So i'm very curious about your take on this as well as others hunkahunka!

Check Mike Ladd's Gun hill road infesticon/majesticon concept

hunkahunka

03-11-2009, 07:10 PM

This is a must see film for anyone who wants to know the globalists
plans to establish an occult fascist world dictatorship, the
newest, most incredible film from Alex Jones. This film has got to
be seen by as many millions of people as possible. Please email it
to at least one person, post it everywhere, order the DVD and copy
it and give copies away.

Fall of the Republic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

ordering information here.
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quote:

Fall Of The Republic documents how an offshore corporate cartel is bankrupting the US economy by design. Leaders are now declaring that world government has arrived and that the dollar will be replaced by a new global currency.

President Obama has brazenly violated Article 1 Section 9 of the US Constitution by seating himself at the head of United Nations' Security Council, thus becoming the first US president to chair the world body.

A scientific dictatorship is in its final stages of completion, and laws protecting basic human rights are being abolished worldwide; an iron curtain of high-tech tyranny is now descending over the planet.

A worldwide regime controlled by an unelected corporate elite is implementing a planetary carbon tax system that will dominate all human activity and establish a system of neo-feudal slavery.

The image makers have carefully packaged Obama as the world's savior; he is the Trojan Horse manufactured to pacify the people just long enough for the globalists to complete their master plan.

This film reveals the architecture of the New World Order and what the power elite have in store for humanity. More importantly it communicates how We The People can retake control of our government, turn the criminal tide and bring the tyrants to justice.

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soulja

03-11-2009, 09:07 PM

Fall of the republic is probably Jones's best film so far, the only problem i have with it is his call to save the republic, as if he doesn't know the republic was a masonic creation from the get go.

hunkahunka

04-11-2009, 07:03 PM

It is my suspicion that the same group of occultists may have created the Salem witch trial hoax, & thereby built Salem, Massachusetts into an occult haven, and then built Danvers State Hospital (on their own land) in which to house a large inmate slave population & 'mass produce' shattered individuals for various purposes, including the breeding of babies
for ritual sacrifice and ritual cannibalism.

Nathaniel Hawthorne was also an expert on Greek literature, and wrote an English
children's book which was a compilation of translated Greek legends/myths
by the title of Tanglewood Tales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanglewood_Tales).

I still wonder about Greek food after reading of Salome having had the head of
John the Baptist served to her on a platter:

http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/142277/1/Salome-Presents-The-Head-Of-John-The-Baptist-At-Herod$27s-Feast,-1537.jpg

Could it be that the Hawthorn's were into more than just Greek literature?
Why stop there?
Could it be that they were into reviving the whole Greek thing? The Greek slavery tradition? The Greek brain recipes, the Greek boy sex, etc? Even the Greek occult rituals
and mystery school secrets?
Is that what the Masonic New World Order is really all about? Rebuilding and restoring
the ancient occult slave empires/societies of Egypt, Greece, and Rome, and restoring our cannibalistic 'natural masters' to their former glory?

Speaking of brain recipes, I read somewhere that Benjamin Franklin was into eating pineal glands, and that all sorts of ancient Rosicrucian rituals took place in the secret underground caves of the Hellfire Club.
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actually, the Hellfire Club is known to have done kabbalistic rituals,
as are the Rocicrucians

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/new/111.jpg
Madonna dressed in black, wears the Kabbalistic Tree of Life around her neck, crown on her head..

and then we have Madonna's ex husband now linked to Gus Van Sant
and indirectly to the whole Jonestown Mkultra coverup, by starring in
a film that whitewashed and censored the assassinated Milk's CIA involvement with Jim Jones and the People's Temple.

http://harpymarx.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/milk-poster-sean-penn.jpg

hunkahunka

05-11-2009, 03:53 PM

video:

Jonestown - CIA Mind Control 1 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HULqx4SP46Y&feature=player_embedded

Jonestown - CIA Mind Control 2 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikn3AMaZ_Qk&NR=1

turquoisefire777

05-11-2009, 04:16 PM

Fall of the republic is probably Jones's best film so far, the only problem i have with it is his call to save the republic, as if he doesn't know the republic was a masonic creation from the get go.

masonic zodiacs in DC makes for interesting reading in :The Secret Zodiacs of Washington DC: Was the City of Stars Planned by Masons? by David Ovason (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Zodiacs-Washington-DC-Planned/dp/0099164728/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257433831&sr=8-2)

the problem is that the states was supposedly consecrated for good but overrun by evil. the best way to "save the republic" is to have a complete clean up of infection (evil/corruption) on all levels, and i think Jones knows that too well, but how many is paying attention?

hunkahunka

05-11-2009, 07:48 PM

video:

interesting trailer for a film which was indirectly based on an an unfinished novel by Nathaniel Hawthorne, an HP Lovecraft story involving dissociative MPD crime, Salem witches, & baby sacrifice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1NIpXjuIPM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsxkRNvEbhM

Discovering 'Dreams in the Witch House' to be about witches
and child sacrifice in Salem was interesting enough, but
when it was revealed that this H.P. Lovecraft story was based on an unfinished novel by Salem's Nathaniel Hawthorne, it got even more
interesting. Nathaniel Hawthorne is from the same family on whose
land Danvers State Hospital was built. [When I looked into HP Lovecraft's history, I found that his father had been taken away when he was 3, and that he had been raised in by his mother, her two sisters and his mother's parents, who traced back to Salem, Massachussets)

There are some notable similarities between 'Dreams In the Witch House' and 'Session 9'. 'Dreams in the Witch House' and 'Session 9' are
both set in Salem, Massachusetts (Dreams in the Witch House is set in
the fictional town of Arkham, Massachusetts, which is known to have been
modeled after Salem, Massachusetts

quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkham#Location
The real-life model for Arkham seems to be, in fact, Salem, its reputation for the occult making it appealing to one who dabbles in the weird tale.[3]
Arkham Sanitarium appears in the short story The Thing on the Doorstep and may have been inspired by the Danvers State Insane Asylum, aka Danvers State Hospital, located in Danvers, Massachusetts.[4] (Danvers State Hospital also appears in Lovecraft's stories Pickman's Model and The Shadow over Innsmouth.) H.P. Lovecraft's Arkham and the Arkham Sanitarium were paid homage in the creation of Arkham Asylum in the Batman comic book series.

In both 'Session 9' and 'The Dreams in the Witch House', there are
references to dissociative identity disorder and ritual sacrifice.
In 'Session 9', an old tape reel is discovered inside Danvers State
Hospital, of a recorded psychiatric session with a mutliple personality
disordered patient , who can be heard shifting into an alter personality
and then recounting memories of ritual child sacrifice. In 'The Dreams
in the Witch House', the main character realizes that the nightmares
that he had been experiencing were in fact real life experiences that
he had experienced while in a state of hypnosis or dissociative state (alter personality), and that he had been involved in murders, rituals, and baby
abduction.

I have not seen 'Dreams in the Witch House' yet, but I found a .torrent for it
here:
http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/111450525/horror?tab=summary

The torrent for 'Session 9' is here:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/772230

http://feedbooks.com/book/1550.png

http://img.flipkart.com/bk_imgs/644/9781438523644.jpg

http://i00.twenga.com/books/the-dreams-in-the-witch-house-and-other-weird-stories-penguin-modern-classic--b_9931vb.png

http://www.best-horror-movies.com/image-files/dreams-in-the-witch-house-movie-poster.jpg

http://www.wosound.com/images/session9.jpg

http://weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/session-9.jpg

greydove

05-11-2009, 11:47 PM

hunkahunka

06-11-2009, 01:48 PM

hunkahunka

06-11-2009, 01:56 PM

turquoisefire777

06-11-2009, 02:17 PM

picture of Ft. Hood shooter

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Hasan.jpg
Major Nidal Malik Hasan

Hasan graduated in 1997 from Virginia Tech, with a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry and in 2003 from the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences with a medical degree and later finished his residency as a psychiatrist.

hmmmm...

Darth Malak
"Darth Malak was a Human male born on Quelii who took the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith during the Jedi Civil War. Born Alek Squinquargesimus and nicknamed Squint, he was—prior to becoming a Sith Lord—a famed Jedi Knight and military commander. Squinquargesimus befriended the Jedi Padawan Zayne Carrick and, after taking the name "Malak," assisted him in defeating the Jedi Covenant. During the Mandalorian Wars, Malak gained a reputation as a headstrong warrior who would recklessly charge into danger. He eventually drew closer and closer to the dark side, ultimately being seduced by Sith teachings imparted to him by his closest friend and fellow Jedi Knight Revan. After the final battle of the Mandalorian Wars at the Sith planet of Malachor V, the two twisted the allegiance of the Revanchists and the Republic forces under their command, building the foundations of what would eventually become a new Sith Empire."

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Malak

http://news.gotgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/darth-malak.jpg

hunkahunka

06-11-2009, 04:33 PM

Here is an example of the kind of metaphors, (what could be termed 'CIA metaphors') embedded in 'Naked Lunch':

In this scene, Peter Weller, (playing the part of William S. Burroughs) is forced to 'prove his credentials' before being allowed entry into the country of 'Annexia'.

So he shoots his wife in the head. At which point , he is told 'Welcome to Annexia'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9CwWpcwe78

It is, imo, a metaphor for how hard-core criminal/satanic secret societies demand that people make incredible personal sacrifices to prove their utter devotion and commitment to the group before being allowed to join:

In this case, William S. Burroughs, who is famous for having 'accidentally' shot his wife in the head, is depicted as actually having carried out the act as a means to gain entry to another secret level or realm of the network.

I am starting to think Kurt Cobain and River Phoenix may have been tied up with this CIA child drug courier/prostitute stuff during their earlier years prior to becoming famous.

Cobain worshipped homosexual author William Burroughs, who at one point visited Rome, and then lived at a house in Tangiers which was used as a child prostitution brothel , prostituting male Moroccan children to visiting male tourists.
The film 'My Own Private Idaho' depicts a Seattle 16 year old gay-male prostitute who has been living on the streets since he was
twelve, is narcoleptic, suffers blackouts of missing time, and is transported around the world (including Rome). The boy's 'specialty' is apparently a propensity for passing out whenever he is kissed or told to disrobe for his customers. (could be some embedded mind control program, in that the act of disrobing under those circumstances is an embedded 'trigger', that makes him pass out or shift into his 'alter' state. The film 'My Own Private Idaho' appears to be showcasing the fruits of the labors of the CIA in some bizarre fashion.
Mike accusing his handler of selling his body for sex 'while he is asleep'.
Cobain is said to have once worked as a gay prostitute to feed his heroin habit, and toured Europe (including Rome) promoting a minor record before becoming famous with his second album. Cobain was also said to be narcoleptic.

Now listen to this bizarre reading by Burroughs , who always wrote semi-autobiographically , speaking of stealing a bag of severed limbs to feed his heroin habit (with , bizarrely, a heroin-addicted Kurt Cobain providing the background music. Cobain arranged to do this project with Burroughs, and later traveled to meet with Burroughs at his cottage) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pfd3OtPQoA#cDv82sCD0b4

First, it is as yet no certainty for me that
Burroughs was CIA. I think it likely that he was. He says that he was almost recruited, and says that someone scuttled it for him, but who knows what the truth is ? Put it this way, if he had worked as a killer for the CIA, would he be eager to piss off the CIA by broadcasting that to the world?
Of course not. He would issue a denial of any relation to the CIA, if he knew what was good for him. He openly boasted of his homosexual prowess, and in a biographical film about him, titled 'Burroughs', he muses aloud that 'homosexuals are ideally suited to the role of CIA agents'.

anyone interested in this should see his biography film on Google video:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=919...h&plindex=0

it shows him posing with his weapons collection.
He always said "write what you know about" and openly admits that most of his work is semi-autobiographical, so when he starts writing doing heroin about a bag containing severed brown legs, it does get interesting.
He lived in Mexico, South America, Morrocco

from Wikipedia:
*
When he found Rome and Ansen’s company dreary, inspired by Paul Bowles' fiction, he decided to head for Tangier, Morocco.[13] In a home owned by a known procurer of homosexual prostitutes for visiting American and English men, he rented a room and began to write a large body of text that he personally referred to as Interzone[14]. Burroughs lived in Tangier for several months, before returning to the United States where he suffered several personal indignities- Ginsberg was in California and refused to see him, A. A. Wyn, the publisher of Junkie, was not forthcoming with his royalties and his parents were threatening to cut off his allowance. All signs pointed him back to Tangier, a place where his parents would have to continue the support and one where drugs were freely available. He left in November 1954 and spent the next four years there working on the fiction that would later become Naked Lunch, as well as attempting to write commercial articles about Tangier. He sent these writings to Ginsberg, his literary agent for Junkie, but none were published until 1989 when Interzone, a collection of short stories, was published. Under the strong influence of a marijuana confection known as majoun and a German-made opioid called Eukodol (oxycodone), Burroughs settled in to write. Eventually, Ginsberg and Kerouac, who had traveled to Tangier in 1957, helped Burroughs edit these episodes into Naked Lunch.[15]
*
another interesting fact is that Burroughs often forgot having written some of the material, the drug-addled writings got so biographical and so bizarre at points that it prompted some alarm among Kerouac and Ginsberg:
"Bill, what's all this stuff about boys being hung in limestone caves?"

Another interesting film to watch is David Cronenburg's Naked Lunch,
which is written by Cronenberg and not based directly on Burrough's book of that name, but a story about the main character who is a composite assembled by Cronenberg of William Burrough's various characters.
The main character is someone who talks of being on 'assignment' by his handlers, and travels on missions to different foreign locations, and in contact with dark skinned homosexual boy prostitutes. It also, grotesquely, mentions illicit trafficking in something called 'the real black meat', which is depicted as dead black bugs. In fact the main character is at one an exterminator who kills 'bugs' with
by spraying them with an overdose of addictive chemicals.

So here's this guy with a weapons collection who travels around the world with a heroin habit who writes stories about being under the control of handlers, a gay heroin addict, and bags of severed legs etc.
Then I hear that Cobain did the background music for one of Burrough's
audio readings and it gets even weirder. I find out that Burroughs murdered his wife 'by accident' , shooting her in the head. I find out that Cobain worked as homosexual teen prostitute to feed his heroin habit at one time before becoming successful in music and was later obsessed with William Burroughs.
Then I find out that after the heroin addicted Cobain was found shot in the head, with many speculating that his wife Courtney Love had motive to have him killed or even shoot him herself, then Courtney goes on to a career as an actress, and to play the part of Burrough's murdered shot in the head wife Joan in the yr. 2000 film 'Beat' which was based on the life of William Burroughs.

It has been said that Jeffrey Dahmer may have been MKUltra, some sort of MKUltra experiment gone wrong, or the fall guy for a group
of people who were involved. (anyone remember the story of how the police let Dahmer go when they caught him abusing a bleeding boy?
Ever wonder what type of hand signals or code words may have gotten Dahmer out of that situation? Or maybe they ran his name, and found
his file flagged with some sort of 'hands off' designation?)
Kay Griggs has said in interviews that she thinks Jeffrey Dahmer was connected to CIA black ops.

Jeffrey Dahmer preyed on young male heroin addicted prostitutes, many of them of black or foreign descent, and severed their limbs, etc.
I do think it would have been interesting to hear what William Burroughs thought of the Jeffery Dahmer situation. (I was not saying that I thought his audio story was based on Dahmer. I meant that Burroughs seemed to have prior knowledge of similar situations, so it would have been interesting to hear what he had to say about it.)

some interesting details of Burroughs' life:

- at 15 he was sent to a Masonic training camp known as 'ranch school'.
- the 'ranch school' was actually the home of America's only mounted
Boy Scout troop, and was located at Los Allamos, which later became a nuclear research facility and military base.

Also, the title of this thread is incorrect. I would not use the term 'CIA agent' in reference to Burroughs. The phrase that I used was "Burroughs was CIA",
ie: an asset , possibly an MKUltra mind controlled assassin who did not even officially work as a CIA agent, but was nonetheless an asset performing work for the agency under various 'alters'.
His writings seem to suggest involvement with alter egos, missing time,
violence, and narcotics .

This could also explain why someone high up ensured that Burroughs got away with fatally shooting his own wife in the head.

related thread:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=42...26936#post12388

It is a common mafia tactic to demand proof that a commissioned hit has been carried out, in the form of a hand or finger provided from the corpse of the victim.

I would recommend that anyone who watches Naked Lunch watch it with an eye for metaphor.
The film could be a metaphor for what William Burroughs true life was.
It could be that he worked as an assassin for the CIA exterminating 'bugs' (bothersome targets, security risks, people who knew too much etc.), and that there is a sideline to this profession in selling the actual body parts of one's targets on some human flesh market.

Could this be what Dahmer truly was? Another Burroughs, who killed heroin junkies, 'projects', child prostitutes, drug mules,
etc., for the CIA to shut them up once they had outlived their usefulness?

repost missing video links

soulja

06-11-2009, 04:52 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Tanglewood.Tales.cover.jpg

Tanglewood, hollywood, or like in the following movie, thornwood.

http://www.joblo.com/images_arrownews/SatanicPanicPoster%5B44.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039985/
Inspired by true accounts and the craze that took place in the late 1970's and early 80's, follows in the footsteps of classic horror films from that generation. In 1980, ten year old twins Toby and Cindy Richards were abducted by a group of demented satanic cult members. Cindy managed to escape, but Toby was never found. Twenty-five years later, a group of six friends take a canoe trip to re-kindle their friendship, only to find themselves in trouble with crazy, small town locals and the same satanic cult that took Toby years ago. Can the friends make it out of the town of Thornwood alive and in one piece, or will the become victims of sacrifice.

Another movie with the typical mirror = door to alternate reality theme.

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/userpics//poster_dark_mirror.jpg

A photographer moves her family into a strange old house, where she discovers an alternate reality reflected in the glass... A dark reality that is closing in on her.

grachtengordel

06-11-2009, 06:37 PM

After such a long and exhaustive thread, there is still absolutely no evidence presented that Cobain was murdered by the CIA.
This thread is a disgrace to the forum.

Your comments are false and deceptive. No one is under any obligation to present "evidence" that cobain was murdered by cia. This thread is NOT a 'deposition', nor is there any time limit imposed on investigating the information pertinent to this topic.

This thread is the most informative, well researched and valuable of the entire forum. (despite video links going missing more than on ANY other topic)

Big respect and genuine thanks to the researchers and contributers on this thread, especially HunkaHunka and Soulja. keep up the good work guys

grachtengordel

06-11-2009, 06:40 PM

soulja

06-11-2009, 07:03 PM

Your comments are false and deceptive. No one is under any obligation to present "evidence" that cobain was murdered by cia. This thread is NOT a 'deposition', nor is there any time limit imposed on investigating the information pertinent to this topic.

This thread is the most informative, well researched and valuable of the entire forum. (despite video links going missing more than on ANY other topic)

Big respect and genuine thanks to the researchers and contributers on this thread, especially HunkaHunka and Soulja. keep up the good work guys

You don't even have to read this thread to realize there is something dodgy about Cobain's death. But, if you do read the thread and still can't see, at the very least, a few signs of an MK/CIA connection to Cobain (and scores of other artists) then you're beyond help anyway.

hunkahunka

07-11-2009, 03:49 AM

quote:

Reverend Jim Jones was definitely a willing participant in the MKultra experiments. I believe his anti-imperialist leanings were a cover. Jim Jones had suspicious connections spanning most of his life. The first was Dan Mitrione (Graduate of the CIA sponsored International Police Acadamy). Jones and Mitrione had been fast friends since childhood. In 1961 Jones travelled to Brazil with Mitrione(who was working closely with the CIA at that point). Jones lived in an expansive house while in Brazil and both lodgings and food were paid for by the American Embassy. He informed his Brazilian neighbours that he was in the employ of Navy Intelligence. While in Brazil, he made frequent trips to 'Belo Horizonte', the headquarters of the CIA in Brazil. In 1963 Jones returned to the United States, With an unexplained windfall of $10,000, enough to begin his next operation.
The Ukiah site of the People's Temple was near 'The Happy Havens Rest Home', guarded by electric fences, guard towers, dogs and armed guards dressed in black. People who attempted to leave were sometimes forcibly restrained. There were at least 150 foster children living at the home along with elderly persons, prisoners, and psychiatric patients. During this time the People's Temple made associations with the Mendocino State Mental Hospital where the group trained in medical techniques. It is reported that in a short while the entire staff at the hospital became members of the People's Temple. Researcher Michael Meiers reported, "The Mendocino Plan was a pilot program of the federal government designed to evaluate the feasibility of deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill. Dennis Denny, Mendocino's Director of Social Services, has speculated that the Mendocino Plan was the sole reason that Jone moved to Ukiah." While in Ukiah the group conducted behavior modification experiments on both hospital patients and Jones' congregation. Sensory deprivation was utilized by Jones on some of his congregation. It is said that Jones passed on his expertise to Donald DeFreeze(SLA). While in Ukiah Jones was reported to have been in contact with 'World Vision(CIA)'. World Vision employed Mark David Chapman. John Hinkley, Sr. ran a World Vision in Denver, Colorado.
In Ukiah Jones busied himself in elite social circles, he allied himself with Walter Heady (John Birch Society). Members of the Temple organized voting drives for Richard Nixon, worked with the Republican Party, and Jones was appointed chairman of the county grand jury. Many of the upper echelon of the People's Temple were recruited while in Ukiah. According to John Judge, "Most of the top lieutenants around Jones were from wealthy, educated backgrounds, many with connections to the military or intelligence agencies. These were the people who would set up the bank accounts, complex legal actions, and financial records that put people under the Temple's control."
The Layton family financed Jones with large sums of money, they are related to wealthy British and German Families. Dr. Lawrence Layton was Chief of Chemical and Ecological Warfare at the infamous Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah, working later at the Navy Propellant Division, as Director of Missile and Satellite Development. Layton's Stockbroker father-in-law represented I.G. Farben.
George Philip Blakey, the man reported to have made the original $650,000 deposit on the land at Guyana was the husband of the former Debbie Layton. His parents had large holdings in Solvay Drugs, a division of I.G.Farben.
Timothy Stoen, Assistant District Attorney of San Francisco, allegedly another prominant member of the Temple. Jones used his congregation to organise a voting drive for Mayor Moscone, and was rewarded by being put in charge of the San Francisco Housing Commision. Many of Jones' followers obtained jobs at the city Welfare Department where more recuits were signed up.
Mysterious deaths, reported in the local press were connected to the Temple, scrutiny was increased by politicians and media, apparently causing the move to Guyana. Guyana was not Jones' initial choice, he had originally picked Grenada and had deposited $200,000 in the Granada National Bank. After the Massacre $76,000 remained in the bank.
The Jonestown site had earlier been the site of a Union Carbide bauxite and manganese mine. The Guyana site was prepared with the cooperation of the local officials and the U.S. Embassy. The Information Services Company states that; "The U.S. Embassy in Georgetown Guyana housed the Georgetown CIA station. It now appears that the majority and perhaps all of the embassy officials were CIA officers operating under State Dept. Covers." Among embassy officials verified as being agents of the CIA are U.S. Ambassador John Burke, who attempted to stop Congressman Leo Ryans investigation of Jonestown. Dan Webber, who was at the site the day after the massacre and Chief Consular Officer Richard McCoy(on loan from the Defense Dept.), were reportedly 'close' to Jones.
The hierarchical structure at Jonestown was composed of all white male camp guards who received special privileges, they could leave the camp freely and carry money. Some of these guards had been employed as mercenaries in Africa and elsewhere. The guards survived the massacre. The rest of the camp was 90% women and 80% black, these people existed under slave-like conditions, working 16-18 hours a day, witrh miserable rations. When Black members of the Temple arrived from the U.S., they were bound and gagged before being taken to the compound. Perceived infractions within Jonestown led to forced drugging, public rape, torture and beatings.
Jeannie Mills, a member of the Temple, claimed to have seen films taken inside a Chilean torture camp while at Jonestown. These films were either taken at the Colonia Dignidad or another located at Pisagua. These camps have documented connections to the CIA as well as to Fourth Reich Nazis.
The Jonestown massacre was probably instigated by the arrival of Congressman Leo Ryan, who was probably the most active investigator in Washington of CIA abuses, and without a doubt Number 1 on the Agencies Hate List. Ryan had introduced the Hughes-Ryan Amendment to the National Assistance Act, transferring the overseeing of the CIA from the Armed Forces Committee.
Ryan had uncovered information linking the CIA to the creation of mind control cults, including the Unification Church of Reverend Sung Myung Moon, and the Symbionese Liberation Army. In response to stories of atrocities at Jonestown, Ryan decided to investigate for himself- this decision ultimately led to his death.
After travelling to Jonestown and attempting to return to the U.S., Ryan, several reporters, and a Jonestown defector were killed on the airstrip at Port Kaituma, the massacre followed shortly after. Observers reported that Ryan's group were killed by armed men who acted like "zombies".
Cheering was heard 45 minutes after the mass death at Jonestown, and those people have never been accounted for. Robert Pastor, an aide to Zbigniew Brzezinski, at the time Natioal Security advisor to Jimmy Carter, sent orders to the U.S. military to remove " all politically sensitive papers and forms of I.D. from the bodies.
Dr. MooToo, a Guyanese pathologist, the first medical person at the scene, and the first to examine the bodies of the victims declared that there were fresh needle marks on the left shoulder blades of 80-90% of the bodies. Some of the victims had been shot or strangled. The gun that Jones had reportedly shot himself with was found 200 feet away from his body. Mootoo concluded to the Guyanese Grand Jury that all but 3 of the victims had not committed suicide, but were murdered. When autopsies were performed at Dover, Delaware, the forensic doctors were not informed of Dr. MooToo's findings.
The body identified as Jim Jones did not have Jones' chest tattoos, and was so decomposed that it was not recognizable. Fingerprints on the body were checked twice, for no apparent reason. Jones' dental records were not consulted.
The Recovery of the bodies to the U.S. were botched, with all I.D. removed, and a delay of a week before the bodies were transported. Rotting made autopsies impossible. Due to the decomposition only 17 bodies were identified in Delaware, although the Guyanese had initially identified 174 bodies, that information was destroyed.
At least 200 people survived Jonestown, they were never contacted by the press. Jeannie and Al Mills, two survivors who planned to write a book about their experience were murdered, as well as another survivor in Detroit. According to John Judge, "Yet another was involved in a mass murder of schoolchildren in Los Angeles".
At the time of the massacre, CIA agent Richard Dwyer, Deputy Chief of Mission for the U.S. Embassy in Guyana was present. In a tape recording made immediately prior to the killings, Jones can be heard saying, "Get Dwyer out of here."
At the end Jones had accumulated a wealth estimated to be between $26 million and $2 billion. The government receivership determined a figure of $10 million. Much of this money has unaccountably disappeared.
Joe Holsinger, Congressman Leo Ryan's attorney and friend, said that a few hours after the murder of Ryan he had heard from a White House official that "We have a CIA report from the scene." Holsinger wrote, " The more I investigate the mysteries of Jonestown, the more I am convinced there is something sinister behind it all. There is no doubt in my mind that Jones had very close CIA connections. At the time of the tragedy, the Temple had three boats in the water off Brazil. The boats disappeared shortly afterward. Remember, Brazil is a country that Jones is very familiar with. He is supposed to have money there. And it is not too far from Guyana. My own feeling is that Jones was ambushed by CIA agents who then disappeared in the boats. But the whole story is so mind-boggling that I'm willing to concede he escaped with them."

Congressman Ryan had been investigating the MK Ultra program before he went down to Guyana, and seemed to have a hate on for the CIA. He was author of a bill called the Hughes-Ryan Amendment that targeted them directly.

Existing law--the Hughes-Ryan amendment--prohibits only CIA from using appropriated funds to carry out covert actions without a Presidential finding and reporting to the committees. The oversight title applies this restriction to all agencies.

Existing law--the Hughes-Ryan amendment and the 1980 Oversight Act--applies only to covert actions undertaken by CIA and does not include covert actions undertaken by other elements of the Government. Executive Order 12333 fills the gap by applying the requirement for a Presidential finding and reporting to the intelligence committees to all agencies. The oversight title would by law extend this requirement to any element of the Government which is used to carry out a covert action, not simply CIA.

www.fas.org...

This would have required that the CIA report all their covert actions to Congress and get pre-approval from the President.

So, just maybe, he went to Jonestown (or was lured there ) and was then assassinated by mind-controlled members, under orders of the CIA.

Re: the luring of Leo Ryan to Jonestown:

Larry Layton, Dr. Layton's son, was the only person who ever went to trial for the assassination of Leo Ryan. He was initially acquitted but was retried and is serving a life sentence.

Jeannie and Al Mills were formerly known as Deanna and Elmer Mertle. The Mertles were the Public Relations officers for the People's Temple. They changed their names when they left the Temple in 1975. The Mertles founded the Human Foundation Center, a counseling center for 'former cult members'. These lieutenants of Jim Jones and a few other of the inner core of the Temple left at the same time to become 'Concerned Relatives'. The Mertles played the major role in luring Leo Ryan to Jonestown.
After the murder of the Mertles (including their teen-aged daughter) on February 26, 1980, a friend of the dead family reported to a local police station that a psychiatrist once employed at the Centre had committed the murders.

Michael Meiers book "Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment?"
Meiers states: The Jonestown experiment was conceived by Dr. Layton, Staffed by Dr. Layton and financed by Dr. Layton. It was as much his project as it was Jim Jones'. Though it was essential for him to remain in the background for security reasons, Dr. Layton maintained contact with and even control of the experiment through his wife and children."
Survivors of the tragedy have staunchly maintained that Jim Jones was "an employee, servant, agent or operative of the CIA".
In October 1981 the survivors launched a $63 million lawsuit against Secretary of State Cyrus Vance and Stansfield Turner, former Director of the CIA. The suit, filed in U.S. district court of San Francisco, accused Turner of Conspiring with Agency operatives to "enhance the economic and political powers of James Warren Jones", and of conducting "mind control and drug experimentation" on the followers.
The lawsuit was dismissed four months later for "failure to prosecute timely." All requests for an appeal were denied.

montyone

08-11-2009, 03:05 AM

Springmeier is the Mac Daddy of writers on this subject. A lot of people on this forum are huge fans. He may well be putting some good information out there, I don't know, I only know the extracts that have been posted in various places. However as I mentioned earlier in the thread these articles (linked from illuminati-news) say some pretty damning things about him:

http://www.eaec.org/expose/FritzSpringmeier1.htm
http://www.eaec.org/expose/FritzSpringmeier2.htm

There's clearly a hell of a lot child abuse going though, I just don't know how much of it is deliberate programming.

...Springemeier has quite some Information, not everything
is "Truth", "absolute fact" or some similar ridiculous simplification
of ( our more or less ) shared Reality.
Springemeier is no coward - he names some fakepriests
and Liars, regardless of their position and wealth - now
that is one freaking nice foundation for Research
and spreading Knowledge IMHO!

There is more...BUT what has " Mr. Debunk" shown
when it comes to Credibility?
Lets face it smearing + biblequotism does not hide
actual Spirit or Agenda..
That Debunker LOOOOOVES the " Federal Gov.":D
and he sooo knows his Bible, that acting in
ways JesusChrist possibly would have acted becomes all but secondary.:rolleyes:

So maybe I'm a terrorist after all...Not some Pig or borderline
Federal - Nazi though.

runciter

08-11-2009, 08:57 AM

Take a look at Nathaniel Hawthorne's House of the Seven Gables it's practically a blow by blow of a 19th century family coming to terms with ritual abuse. Very eye opening. I'm surprised no one has mentioned it before. And I completely agree about the witch trials being a false flag operation. I think they were actually started by dark occultists to take any possible scrutiny off themselves!

according to john todd:

LET ME QUICKLY REMIND YOU, NO WITCHES WERE EXECUTED IN SALEM. There will be a book coming out shortly on this from Chick Publications. Except for one prostitute, everybody executed in Salem were Christians, and they were tried and convicted by a jury and by a pastor who was not a pastor but a slave trader hired by the Collins. The church was built by the Collins and the jury were all members of the Collins' church. Needles to say, they weren't Christians, they were Witches. We went back there and researched it!

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm

hunkahunka

08-11-2009, 01:37 PM

according to john todd

Quote:
LET ME QUICKLY REMIND YOU, NO WITCHES WERE EXECUTED IN SALEM. There will be a book coming out shortly on this from Chick Publications. Except for one prostitute, everybody executed in Salem were Christians, and they were tried and convicted by a jury and by a pastor who was not a pastor but a slave trader hired by the Collins. The church was built by the Collins and the jury were all members of the Collins' church. Needles to say, they weren't Christians, they were Witches. We went back there and researched it!
http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm#toddaudio

thanks for the excellent link, Runciter, I had been searching high and low
for this information since I saw it briefly mentioned on Youtube comments,
but could not find the source . Thanks so much.

Audio:

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/jt/Todd_1a.mp3

Todd's testimony about the occult world, the Illuminati, the Collins family, introduction of witchcraft to America, etc! 41 minutes

http://www.deeptruths.com/reduced_jt_1/Todd_5a.mp3

mountain

08-11-2009, 02:02 PM

runciter

08-11-2009, 06:24 PM

thanks for the excellent link, Runciter, I had been searching high and low
for this information since I saw it briefly mentioned on Youtube comments,
but could not find the source . Thanks so much.

Audio:

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/jt/Todd_1a.mp3

Todd's testimony about the occult world, the Illuminati, the Collins family, introduction of witchcraft to America, etc! 41 minutes

http://www.deeptruths.com/reduced_jt_1/Todd_5a.mp3

i'm glad to be of some help hunka, this thread is a goldmine of information.

rodin

08-11-2009, 07:10 PM

masonic zodiacs in DC makes for interesting reading in :The Secret Zodiacs of Washington DC: Was the City of Stars Planned by Masons? by David Ovason (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Zodiacs-Washington-DC-Planned/dp/0099164728/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257433831&sr=8-2)

the problem is that the states was supposedly consecrated for good but overrun by evil. the best way to "save the republic" is to have a complete clean up of infection (evil/corruption) on all levels, and i think Jones knows that too well, but how many is paying attention?

Alex Jones is covering for the elite - couple good articles here and very insightful comments too

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?cat=311

rodin

08-11-2009, 07:11 PM

i'm glad to be of some help hunka, this thread is a goldmine of information.

+1 got some catching up to do this thread grows so fast ;)

hunkahunka

08-11-2009, 07:33 PM

i'm glad to be of some help hunka, this thread is a goldmine of information.

these John Todd audios are fascinating, though they date back to the mid- 1970's, its enlightening to consider that these insiders were talking about this before the internet.
How could Todd have known all of this prior to the internet, unless he was actually an insider? He even discusses all the occult corporate logos decades before others made it known.

The following audio clip discusses Ayn Rand's novel 'Atlas Shrugged', as an Illuminati blueprint for the destruction of the world, the movie of the HP Lovecraft story 'The Dunwich Horror' , (starring Sandra Dee) as "the strongest and most truthful movie about witch craft and their beliefs that ever existed", the Necronomicon, Mormonism, the book of Enoch, rites of human sacrifice (Warrior on the Block rite), fake oil shortages, plans
to destroy the food supply, Illuminati pirate hijackings of ships,
Rockefeller ownership of all U.S. businesses, planned destruction of all money etc.

Part A:
http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/jt/Todd_3a.mp3

Part B:
http://www.deeptruths.com/reduced_jt_1/Todd_3b.mp3

John Todd discusses the Salem Witch trials, Charles Manson, Sharon Tate murder, Process Church, epilepsy, demon possession, Jimmy Carter, mind control etc: (40 minutes)

http://www.deeptruths.com/reduced_jt_1/Todd_2b.mp3

hunkahunka

08-11-2009, 07:45 PM

video:

(Dunwich Horror trailers, for anyone wondering once the video links are removed)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbWyUEKSVd0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM8EbSvNFqg

rodin

08-11-2009, 10:10 PM

Funny old world I grew up with the entire Lovecraft collection

H P same initials as Blavatsky and of course the sauce

soulja

08-11-2009, 11:04 PM

I wonder what really happened to Todd? did they take him out? lock him away for good? He had his flaws, which is no suprise growing up in an illuminati family, but the info he brought to the table was/is mostly spot on.

Like this: (it's what we're seeing right now)

Their sole purpose is to bankrupt their own companies & destroy their own companies until they destroyed the currency of the whole World, & still be so financially strong they would withstand it

Also his info on witchcraft and the music industry is very interesting.

The cornerstone of the whole floor of witchcraft is that you cannot mix a potion, you cannot do a rite without a firm knowledge of astrology. It is the base for all practices in Witchcraft, & one of its teachings is that you are born a set personality & there is nothing you can do to change from that set personality. You don’t leave witchcraft. Once you’re in, you’re in!The greatest Wizard that that ever lived was King Solomon. As great as his writings were in our Bible, they were as great in the Witchcraft bibles: initiation rites, how to conjure demons up, everything, even how to commit human sacrifices are writings that he created.The Star of David has just recently been called the star of David. For thousands of years it was called the Hexagram or the Crest of Solomon.

Now when a witch wants to practice witchcraft, she’ll get in a pentagram, that’s the five-pointed star in the circle, their strongest form of protection. Then they will lay this six-pointed star, or hexagram -- which means “to hex” or to cast black magic or to put a spell on somebody – they’ll put it in a circle on the floor & this will cause the demons to appear at their instructions. It is the most evil sign of witchcraft. It’s dangerous to have it.The pentagram, the pinnacle with the one point up, means Witchcraft; two points up means demon-worship or Satanism. A two points up, five-pointed star symbolises the goat head, which is representative of the devil.

The Ankh means that you despise virginity, believe in fertility rites, practice fertility rites & worship the sun god Ra, the Egyptian name for Lucifer.

How often have we seen a celebrity with an ankh tattoo in this thread?
Just one quick example:
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_04/winehouseSDMS_1000x732.jpg

The peace symbol is the broken cross. If a Christian wants to join Witchcraft, they would have to take a ceramic cross & turn it upside-down & break the cross bars down, symbolising their rejection of Calvary. This is said to bring you peace of mind while you practice Witchcraft, that’s where it got the word “Peace Symbol” comes from.

They are in the process of a Trial-&-Error right now, & they test things. They tested what it would be like to be without fuel to heat homes. They are going to see if they can’t starve you, absolutely shut all electricity off.The timetable in the book “Atlas Shrug” ended with this: “When the Lights of New York City go out for the last time, we will have the World.”Towards the end they are going to cut the cities off completely, nothing will move for months.They are in the process of destroying all stored food & farmland, so that we will be without any food in the cities or in the country or anywhere except what is in the Federal storehouses. Nothing is going to move at all. If you live in a big city, how are you going to get your food if they don’t bring it to you? Everything will be paralysed, nothing will move. At the same time there will be riot & revolution in the whole World.Charles Manson went to prison for a reason.There is a mass army within every prison from coast to coast, he has them united. He has been gathering an army & the one thing that will hold their plan up is if they don’t get the gun law passed. They have been promised that all the guns will be confiscated before they make their move.They have been set up just so they will kill one million people & I will leave it to you imagination who is scheduled to be killed. This is just so that they can get the national guard called out.

The whole thing is, if you can be independent of Federal help, their plan won’t work. You must be dependent on the Federal Government for every bite of food, every warmth that you feel coming through your homes. You must be dependent on them.

Tarot Cards: Every drawing means something & the demons control how they fall, nothing in Witchcraft is ever 100% accurate.

The Illuminati will use Israel to gain control of the World.The only thing the Illuminati fear is an independent person who can live, eat, sleep, stay warm & defend themselves separate from Federal help. They have never been this organised.

Is Rock music an outgrowth of Witchcraft?

You can’t practice Witchcraft without it!!!!
Most of the rock groups are members of a Witchcraft Church, that’s their religion, & when they do a song they’ll ask the Witch coven or the temple to cast a spell over that song so that it will become a hit & sell. When a witch casts a spell they order demons to do things. When you buy an album it’s you who gets a free surprise …..it’s called a demon!

It goes along with the record. Much of the music is written in Witch language by witches. Elton John has made the statement that he has never written or sung a song that was not in Witch language. “Beyond the Yellow Brick Road” is 100% Witch language. That’s why many songs, you don’t understand. That’s why many people who listen to them don’t understand until they get high on drugs & then all of a sudden the meanings start coming to them.

Many songs have been written in Witch language such as the whole album by Carol King called “Tapestry”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carole_King

The book of prophecy to witches is the double white album that the Beatles produced containing the song “Helter Skelter”. Every song in it is prophesy. Oh let’s see…”Horse With No Name”, “One Tin Soldier”, I could list thousands of songs that were written this way. They definitely have demonic influence behind them.

Have you noticed the increase of rebellion in teenagers in your home? It’s your fault , you let them listen to it. It stirs up rebellion. It’s not the words
in the song, it’s the music. Witches know it, they hit certain chords on purpose.

The music is hypnotic. It stirs up a war-like nature in the young people.

It’s the truth: the supernatural is tied in with the music

Continues here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7563552/John-Todd-The-Illuminati-Witchcraft-Condensed

http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/4123/cover_6282128112008.jpg

Studio Album, released in 1969

Songs / Tracks Listing

1. Black Sabbath (3:32)
2. The White Witch of Rose Hall (3:08)
3. Coven in Charing Cross (4:04)
4. For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge (4:41)
5. Pact with Lucifer (3:32)
6. Choke, Thirst, Die (3:32)
7. Wicked Woman (3:01)
8. Dignitaries of Hell (4:09)
9. Portrait (2:37)
10. Satanic Mass (13:19)

Skull is only there to make sure the other initiates instantly recognize the group as one of them, i.e initiates. Obviously they don't have a giant register where all the witches and occultist can look up who is in the club and who isn't. So what they do is communicate through symbols. for the unaware a skull is just that, a skull. for the initiate it's a clear sign, a language. That, and they believe these symbols hold power.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Qe7OY4EAB9M/SnhfhzYF9eI/AAAAAAAAAqw/s3pbhad4BFk/s400/witchcraft.jpg

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/26a2ebca601c3ed781b9df198c1aceba/73273.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_scQG3wZxdPI/R-BUeVzelwI/AAAAAAAACnk/dOLuBa9PnxU/s400/Cover_SplitEP_300RGB.jpg

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/266a617f4b29956b48a6d30760173ea0/45772.jpg

http://www.moillusions.com/wp-content/uploads/photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5639/2020/400/AerosmithspaAlbumspaCover.jpg

http://www.amiright.com/album-covers/images/album-Misfits-Evilive.jpg

http://sabbathrock.com/images/anton-lavey3.jpg

I could go on forever posting skull pics, one last example, this time from germany.
http://www.mzee.com/data/img/news/event/sido1.jpg

High profile rapper Sido's trademark is his skull mask. his crew/label is called 'Die Sekte' (the sect) the only female artist on the label goes by the name ''kitty kat'' Their album covers are full of masonic symbolism, as is the whole german rap scene, just like all the other scenes. what's more, the underlying theme of mind control is also visible in some of their covers/songs/etc.
http://www.bumbanet.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/sido_singlecover1.jpg

soulja

09-11-2009, 01:08 AM

The peace symbol is the broken cross. If a Christian wants to join Witchcraft, they would have to take a ceramic cross & turn it upside-down & break the cross bars down, symbolising their rejection of Calvary. This is said to bring you peace of mind while you practice Witchcraft, that’s where it got the word “Peace Symbol” comes from.

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss296/barrydeleon/lady-gaga-stripper.jpg

Album cover of the band 'komodo wagon'
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm217/komodowagon2/KOMODO%20ARTWORK/WebsiteCoverA3.jpg
''The beauty and the broken cross''

another album of them:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s143/atrompa2006/sub2/KomodoEP.jpg[/IMG]

soulja

09-11-2009, 01:53 AM

according to john todd:

LET ME QUICKLY REMIND YOU, NO WITCHES WERE EXECUTED IN SALEM. There will be a book coming out shortly on this from Chick Publications. Except for one prostitute, everybody executed in Salem were Christians, and they were tried and convicted by a jury and by a pastor who was not a pastor but a slave trader hired by the Collins. The church was built by the Collins and the jury were all members of the Collins' church. Needles to say, they weren't Christians, they were Witches. We went back there and researched it!

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/salem-witch_city.jpg

http://www.randi.org/images/commentary/200706/cabot.jpg

Laurie Cabot is an American Witchcraft high priestess, and was one of the first people to popularize Witchcraft in the United States. She is the author of such books as The Power of the Witch, The Witch in Every Woman, Celebrate the Earth, while also founding the Cabot Tradition of the Science of Witchcraft and the Witches' League for Public Awareness to defend the civil rights of Witches everywhere. In the 1970s, Cabot was declared the "official Witch of Salem, Massachusetts", by then-Governor Michael Dukakis, to honor her work with special needs children.

She continues to reside in Salem, where she owns a shop called The Cat, the Crow, and the Crown. Cabot claims to be related to the prominent Boston Brahmin Cabot family. She is perhaps one the most high-profile Witches in the world. She is a part of Salem lore, and a bona-fide local celebrity in that city and throughout Massachusetts's North Shore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Cabot

Another famous witch is Fiona Horne.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/NewtGurl/Fiona%20Horne/Tattoos/fiona-horne2.jpg
Note the symbol to the right.

Fiona Horne is known in the USA, UK and Australia as a leading expert on Modern Witchcraft and as an accomplished television/radio host and best selling author. She is also an actor and rock singer.

Fiona Horne is the world's best selling author on Modern Witchcraft. Her current eight titles are published by HarperCollins and Random House with a new title - 'Bewitch A Man' published by Simon and Schuster in Fall 2006, USA and in Australia, January 2007.

In May 2006 Fiona Horne was invited to speak at Harvard University, USA, on Witchcraft and Paganism.

Born in Australia, Fiona Horne has been based in Los Angeles for the past 6 years. She was lead singer/songwriter for popular Australian Top 40 techno/rock group DEF FX, releasing three albums and touring locally and internationally.

This success laid foundations for a varied broadcasting and publishing career for Fiona. She hosted 2002's U.K. love-advice show Sexy Spells (Granada/Sky Broadcasting), the 13-part series Party! (2000) for Australia's Channel 9 Network and guest hosted Russell Gilbert Live and her own music show Ground Zero interviewing Britney Spears, Melissa Etheridge and Tom Jones. For two years she was a regular panelist on Australia's number 1 daytime talk show, Beauty and the Beast.

2004 saw Fiona Horne as a star cast member in USA SciFi Channel's hit original series 'Mad Mad House'.

In 2006 Fiona Horne starred in Channel 7, Australia's Celebrity Survivor.

Fiona starred in the opening season of the Australian production of The Vagina Monologues and played good time girl Cherry in 2005's independent US film, Unbeatable Harold also starring Dylan McDermont and Henry Winkler. In January 2006 she wrapped filming on Cult starring as Professor Diane Estabrook, also starring Rachel Miner and Taryn Manning. Cult is released in the USA, March 2007

Fiona Horne's personal passions include herpetology (she is a licensed snake handler) travel and SCUBA diving. She is an expert diver and works regularly for the SCUBA accreditation organization PADI, hosting, demonstrating and doing voice over for their instructional videos, television and radio commercials including voicing the National Geographic/PADI Underwater Explorer DVD series.

FionaHorne's charity is Project Aware - an international ocean conservation effort.

http://www.girl.com.au/graphics/fiona_horne1.jpg

What Modern Witches Are:

"Witches honour nature as sacred, we recognise a Goddess as well as a God and we do spells and rituals to help and heal not only ourselves, but those we love and the planet."
- Fiona Horne

The next two pics speak for themselves:
http://www.bitememagazine.com/images/general/vixens/fiona-horne-main.jpg
http://www.femail.com.au/img/fiona-may.jpg

If it wasn't already obvious that she is part of the 'club' then it should be now. But alone the fact that she's the worlds best selling author on witchcraft, and a witch herself, should be enough to know what she's about. And who stands behind her. She is another one of a long line of tools to promote witchcraft, market it as something 'cool' and 'liberating' - 'white magic' like Sabrina and charmed.

http://www.godlovespeople.com/Sins%20of%20the%20American%20People/sabrina_witch.gif

And of course Harry Potter, probably the most effective tool of em all when it comes to the appeal of witchcraft to the youth.
http://www.artgazine.com/shoutouts/images/War/jk_rowling-devil.jpg

The band Witchcraft
http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/65/ArtistWitchcraftAlbumFirewood.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/hiway99r/Witchcraft13-BloodOfTheChosen1.jpg

It's funny how the symbols (triggers) of MK are the same symbols used by the secret societies and covens. Actually it's not, it would be strange if it wouldn't be that way, seeing as the same force stands behind both, the vast (and interlocking) secret society network, and mind control.

prozest

09-11-2009, 02:21 AM

where a brilliant group .. but i dont think i have heard a more troubled mind why would he be murdered ?

hunkahunka

09-11-2009, 07:27 PM

http://pds7.egloos.com/pds/200711/23/57/d0002457_474608baeb1f1.jpg

I just watched Gus Van Sant's fim 'Gerry' this weekend, and I can't say that I found
any connection to mind control or the occult, and not much
of any connection to the real life murder case of David Coughlin,
which the movie was said to mirror. At a guess , this film is
nothing but a whitewash of the real circumstances of the Coughlin
case, in a similar vein to Van Sant's 'Last Days' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Days_%28film%29) treatment
of the death of Kurt Cobain. Anyone who sees both Gerry and Last Days
will note the similarity. Both Gerry and Last Days are supposedly based on dramatic real
life events, but there is little more than mundane , empty, silent footage
throughout most of both films.

Both of them seem to serve the purpose of concealment , with the
same verdict in both: "The boredom did it". Yes, the Boredom did it
in the billiard room , with the candlestick.

It has to be intentional in both cases. Take a potentially explosive story of dramatic
death, and turn that life and death into the most insignificant spec of nothingness possible.
Also notable is that 'Gerry' and 'Last Days' offer nothing more than a feeble recount of the official story in both the Coughlin and Cobain deaths, and are noticeably empty of
any pertinent dialogue.

http://blog.roodo.com/madchester1984/c1af3477.jpg

One other notable suspicion that I came away with from watching 'Gerry' was that there may be subliminal messaging/hypnosis going on in this film. There are pointlessly long , repetitive scenes in it, that seem to stretch on forever with no other purpose than to possibly hypnotize the viewer.

For example, there is one segment of the two men marching side by side through the desert, with one camera shot that lasts a full FOUR minutes. Nothing but the same camera shot, the same closeup profile of their two faces, as they march through the desert, for a full four minutes (240 seconds) and no sound but the same monotonous marching of their feet, which was oddly modified to sound like they were splashing through
marsh land. I suspect that there may be some type of embedded hypnotic messaging included in this film.

http://www.reverseshot.com/files/images/issue21/gerry.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g57/nkosub/Last.jpg

soulja

10-11-2009, 02:15 AM

Satanism and Ritual Abuse Archive

by Diana Napolis, M.A.

The following cases describe legal proceedings held in Juvenile, Family, Civil and Criminal Courts around the world where there have been allegations of Satanism or the use of Ritual to abuse others.
http://www.endritualabuse.org/ritualabusearchive.htm

soulja

10-11-2009, 02:18 AM

Abusive Witchcraft "Sacred Ground"

http://www.endritualabuse.org/smallfromsouth.jpg
Oblong Rock Configuration and Base of Altar

http://www.endritualabuse.org/smallereastnortheast.jpg
Trifurcated Tree in Oblong Ring; Huge Split Tree with Parts on Ground in Background

Multi-generational Fertility Cult (Abusive Witchcraft) "Sacred Ground", by Ellen Lacter, Ph.D., 1-7-2006

The rock formations in these photographs represent what is most likely the "Sacred Ground" of a ritually-abusive "Multi-generational Fertility Cult". I am referring to "Witchcraft Ritual Abuse", not Wicca.

Witchcraft ritual abuse and Satanic ritual abuse both include human sacrifice and sexual torture of children. However, Satanism and Witchcraft attach very different meanings to these crimes, worship different deities, and are rivals in their failing goals of world domination. See the page on this website entitled; "Overview of the Differences between Satanism and Witchcraft".

Memories of Witchcraft ritual abuse, the personalities affected by these abuses, and Witchcraft programming, are almost always buried more deeply in the unconscious mind than the memories, personalities, and programming associated with Satanic ritual abuse and abuse by groups with political/military agendas. The abusive methods used by Witchcraft affect the psyche and spirit more profoundly, and block memory more effectively. In many cases of ritual abuse, one of the survivors parents (and the lineage on that side) was involved in Satanism, and the other parent (and lineage) was involved in Witchcraft. The side practicing Witchcraft will likely know everything that is happening on the Satanist side, but the Satanist side will not understand very much of what the Witchcraft side is doing.

These pictures are posted here to expose abusive Witchcraft to the light of day, with the goal of helping ritual abuse survivors overcome the effects of Witchcraft ritual abuse.

Witches would have chosen this site as a ritual site because it contains a number of features they view as holy. Note that the photographs of the oblong ring of rocks (about 26 feet in length) include a trifurcated tree, or three trees that have grown together. The number three is sacred in witchcraft. Such a tree would be considered sacred, thus the ring of rocks constructed around it.

Behind this tree is a huge and ancient tree that is split in four parts, with three now lying on the ground, and one still standing. This tree was likely the largest and oldest tree in the area for quite some time. The trunk is about five feet in diameter. Witches would see it as the most holy tree in the area, signifying the eternalness of Witchcraft. The group would thus choose this site for their "Sacred Ground". In rituals, the witch group would likely dance around this huge tree.

Between the two trees is a pit (about 6 feet in diameter). This pit would signify part of the "womb of mother earth" to Witchcraft. Blood would likely be poured into such a pit.

The oblong ring of rocks and two above-described trees, are situated between two streams, which would make this site especially holy in the eyes of Witchcraft. Both streams run from east to west. The site itself is on an east-west axis, with the tree on the west. This orientation is the strong preference in Witchcraft, and will occur less frequently in Satanic ritual sites.

The oblong ring of rocks has the tree at one end, and a concrete slab at the other end, which was likely used as the base of an altar. This configuration is typical of a Witchcraft site. The actual altar would be stone and laid on the concrete slab for rituals.

In Satanism, the altar would be more likely placed in the center of the ritual site. The site itself would have four corners or a tree in the center. In Satanism, the altar often has space below it, since at times, a fire is lit under the altar.

In both abusive Witchcraft and Satanism, the actual altar would be movable, transported to the site for the ritual, and removed immediately afterwards.

The ground in the middle of the oblong ring of rocks is mounded. In abusive Witchcraft, stones, branches, twigs, and sacred objects attached with spiritual evil in abusive rituals would be buried in this mound.

There is a smaller (about 5 feet in diameter) ring of rocks adjacent to the trifurcated tree, on the south. This may have been used for fire, a necessary element in abusive Witchcraft rituals. Fire, air, earth, and "living water" (a moving stream) are all required. Dancing would occur around the fire, as well as around the huge tree.

The less-defined, more round, and larger circle (about 32 feet in diameter, and about 50 feet to the north of the smaller oblong ring) would also be a place to dance or watch as sexual and death sacrifices occurred to propitiate Witch deities in the smaller oblong circle.

This site is in San Diego County, California. It was revealed following the fires in late October, 2003 that cleared away a great deal of the brush. The site is still well-camouflaged. I hiked past it a number of times before spotting it. It was likely constructed about 50 years ago, judging by the apparent age of the concrete slab, and was likely not used for the past 30 years, when houses were constructed within about 200 yards of the site.

Stephen Oglevie, my mentor in understanding Satanic and abusive witchcraft practices, provided me with these distinctions between Witchcraft and Satanic ritual sites.
http://www.endritualabuse.org/Abusive%20Witchcraft.htm

hunkahunka

10-11-2009, 03:53 PM

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/salem-witch_city.jpg

great find, Soulja.

"Salem - The Witch City"

That pic confirms my exact suspicions of what
the fake Salem witch trials succeeded in doing: creating a haven
for the occult.

Salem has become an American version of the holocaust museum.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nrebluTBiPs/SspA6s7bTxI/AAAAAAAAARg/b9AVMgasAkc/s320/4.+Salem+Witch+Museum+Night+Shot%28300dpi%29+-+Robert+Deschene.jpg
Salem Witch Museum, located in the Second Church Unitarian building, originally
a church built in 1845.

http://www.spiritart.com/Calendar/logos/SalemWitchMuseum.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VTR7Apkv5BM/Sla0jRFk7bI/AAAAAAAAAc4/yLsqrm42So8/s320/Salem-dummies.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nrebluTBiPs/SagaOLapGzI/AAAAAAAAAKw/Pzg8epwkV_k/S1600-R/HHBlogBanner2009.jpg

hunkahunka

10-11-2009, 05:02 PM

Another notable similarity between the two Van Sant films 'Last Days' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Days_%28film%29)'
and 'Gerry' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_%28film%29), is that in both films the 'star' gets it in the end, and both in a 'mercy killing' sort of way. (Van Sant's depiction of Cobain's death is
that Cobain, dying of heroin addiction, quiet and emotionless, 'puts himself out of his misery',
while Coughlin's death is depicted as another oddly emotionless surrender
to fate, when, dying of dehydration in the desert, he announces to his friend "I'm Leaving", before going into his death throes, and being strangled to death
by his companion in a mercy killing.

In the film Gerry, which preceded 'Last Days'
Coughlin's death brought him fame, a mundane life depicted here marked only by the unusual circumstances of death. ie: a movie about his death, which in effect made him 'the star of the show':
http://www.reverseshot.com/files/images/issue21/gerry.jpg

in the same way, Kurt Cobain's spectacle death vaulted the life preceeding it to a previously unseen altitude
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g57/nkosub/Last.jpg
the star of the show

http://archive.sensesofcinema.com/images/06/38/last_days.jpg

LAST DAYS
Director Gus Van Sant
Stars Michael Pitt, Lukas Haas

Kurt to the chase
By Rachael Turk

He looks like Kurt Cobain. He sounds like Kurt Cobain. He almost certainly smells like teen spirit. But the lead character of Gus Van Sant's Last Days is not "based on" but "inspired by" the late rock legend.

Played by Michael Pitt (The Dreamers), the character Blake is the archetypal artist. He is all and any of the ill-fated creatives who have crossed Van Sant's path - River Phoenix, whom he directed in My Own Private Idaho (1991), and Elliot Smith, musician and friend. Even Pitt, an accomplished muso, embodies the Cobain myth with uncanny resemblance.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/08/26/cobain_narrowweb__200x291.jpg

Van Sant knew Cobain, too.

"We met him and Courtney [Love, Cobain's wife] at their manager's party," he says. "Later, Kurt called to try and get his friend a job on Cowgirls [Van Sant's Even Cowgirls Get the Blues] so we had a relationship in that way. And then I offered him a role in a film that winter that he died. I had sent a script to his manager, and Courtney said they got it and he'd read it but then he died. The movie I wrote later was in reaction to his death.

"The music I listened to much more after he died. When we were shooting Gerry, I would listen to Nirvana as a release. The drive to the set was an hour-and-a-half on a country road in Argentina, so I got to know it really well. It's very intricate. It almost sums up all of rock history.

"I once heard Keith Richards say it's bullshit, but if you actually understand it, it's brilliant and you can listen to it again and again and again."

Van Sant's previous two films drew on real-life events - the Palme d'Or-winning Elephant on the school shootings of Columbine, and the 2002 film Gerry on a news piece about two men lost in the desert - just as Last Days speculates about the final, lost days of Cobain. It is dedicated to Cobain but with an "inspired by" disclaimer.

In the case of this film, there's a particularly good reason. Courtney Love, now pregnant by actor-comedian Steve Coogan, is one litigious woman. She has sued Universal Music, Geffen Records, a former boyfriend's ex-wife who ran over her foot, and even surviving members of Nirvana - Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic - for control of the group's legacy.

Van Sant visited Love in 1996, when an earlier incarnation of Last Days was kicking around his head. He had asked her to play herself in a film that was more clearly a biopic.

"She said she could never ever do that, it was a very insane offer," he says. "I said, 'I think I'm going to make something where the guy is a 14-year-old and wandering around his house and doesn't know what to do with his death' and she thought that was a good idea.

"And years later we were talking about Courtney playing a role in Sarah, a J.T. LeRoy book I was adapting, and she brought up the Kurt movie and she thought I should do it.

She hasn't seen [Last Days] yet but I talked her through it."

Despite Love's apparent good will, Van Sant stopped short of using Cobain's music.

"Nirvana was too close to what we wanted to do," he says. "The movie isn't really meant to be about him. It's a lookalike. And I wanted the music to do the same thing."

Instead, Last Days has been called a homage, from one north-west artist to another. This tells more about the film's intent. There is a tone of respect, even reverence, in the length of each take, the painstaking construction of every frame. Hildegard Westerkamp's sound composition Doors of Perception melds foghorns, church bells and passing trains with the likes of the Velvet Underground to create a soundtrack of the deeply internal.

Sonic Youth frontrunners Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore, conscripted as music consultants on the film, knew Cobain well.

It was Moore who suggested they include Pitt's song Death to Birth as the film's swansong. And it's in this moment, perhaps, that the resemblance is both most eerie and profound.

Van Sant says Blake's is an everyman story about vulnerability and trying to escape.

"You try to go as far as you can, but if you actually get to the top you might be dissatisfied because you're always sort of dissatisfied. I think [Cobain] was like that; he was more dissatisfied with success than you would believe in his later days. And in this case he winds up dead. We'll all wind up dead eventually, so there's that, too."

hunkahunka

10-11-2009, 05:47 PM

"And years later we were talking about Courtney playing a role in Sarah, a J.T. LeRoy book I was adapting, and she brought up the Kurt movie and she thought I should do it.

Sarah
J.T. LeRoy

Book Review
Judy Berman

Plot Summary of Sarah

"The main character of the novel is a twelve-year-old boy whose mother is a truck stop prostitute (a.k.a. lot lizard) named Sarah. Though she is a terrible, abusive, neglectful mother, the boy idolizes her beauty and the skill with which she manipulates men. In an attempt to surpass her in these departments, the boy begins working for a pimp named Glad who specializes in transvestite prostitutes. Glad is a kind pimp, and he won't let his youngest whore overwork himself. The boy, frustrated, journeys to see the Jackalope, an enormous piece of roadkill at a nearby truck stop, which is said to bring luck to all lot lizards who visit it. There, he meets Pooh, a young female prostitute, and her pimp, Le Loup, who mistakes him for a girl and offers to give him a job. From there, the adventures continue, as the boy is mistaken for a saint at his new truck stop. When it is revealed that he is not only a saint, but also a boy, life becomes dangerous for the boy. Luckily for him, Glad and the transvestite prostitutes have worked up a killer scheme to rescue him."

hunkahunka

10-11-2009, 07:00 PM

this gets more twisted as it goes. The book 'Sarah' was eventually
morphed, with another LeRoy book, into the film The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heart_Is_Deceitful_Above_All_Things)
(bizarrely, JT Leroy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JT_LeRoy) is allegedly just a male pen name for female
author Laura Albert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Albert).(which , on reflection, I do not believe at all. I don't think Laura Albert wrote it, and I think the real male author will forever remain unknown, because he likes to write books about cross-dressing ten yr. old boy prostitutes. Oddly the film stars Marylin Manson as one of the men who rape the boy.

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/h/images/heart-is-deceitful-above-all-things-poster-0.jpg
mother and son

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/66/Heart_is_deceitful_above_all_things.jpg/405px-Heart_is_deceitful_above_all_things.jpg

Plot

The film revolves around a tattered relationship between Sarah (Argento), a drug addict, and her son, Jeremiah (played by Jimmy Bennett at age seven, and by Cole and Dylan Sprouse at age 11). Their life together is marked by drug-taking and heavy drinking. Sarah repeatedly becomes involved with a series of men who treat her and Jeremiah poorly, and uses them as an excuse to abandon her son. She disappears to Atlantic City with her current boyfriend, Emerson (Jeremy Renner), whom she then abandons; Emerson returns to their home and rapes Jeremiah. After a trip to the hospital, Jeremiah's grandmother takes him to a West Virginian radical Christian cult led by his grandfather (Peter Fonda). After three years with the cult, Sarah returns to reclaim a now 11-year-old Jeremiah. Sarah's current lover, Kenny, a truck driver, eventually abandons them at a stripjoint while Sarah is dancing. Sarah realizes that if she is going to keep her men, then she cannot say Jeremiah is her son. Jeremiah allows his mother to persuade him into cross dressing so he can act as her 'little sister', and Jeremiah's crossdressing evolves to include his mother's seduction techniques. After dressing up as a 'baby doll' version of Sarah, Jeremiah/Sarah seduces Jackson (Marilyn Manson), his mother's latest man, who initially tries to rebuff the boy's advances, but then rapes him. Furious with Jackson for giving in to the boy's advances and with Jeremiah for ruining her panties, she takes Jeremiah and leaves.

Later, they are seen in a house where the basement houses a meth lab which later blows up with Sarah's latest boyfriend inside. After fleeing, and while detoxing from meth, Sarah is convinced that everyone is after them, and that only certain foods are edible (mainly chips and soda), she then convinces Jeremiah that if they eat anything but those foods, they will be poisoned. Which then leads Sarah and Jeremiah on a failed attempt to shoplift at a grocery store, afterwards Jeremiah finds a hamburger to eat from a dumpster. His mother, in a state of "meth psychosis" is convinced the food he ate was poison, and makes him drink ipecac in order to make him better and rid him of any 'poisons'. Jeremiah wakes up in the hospital with his grandmother beside him. She tells him that Sarah is in the psychiatric ward. Later that night, Sarah collects Jeremiah from his hospital room, and, rather than have him go back to the cult, she clutches her son's hand and they both walk away in hospital gowns. The final scene is of Sarah and Jeremiah driving away.

http://xersanreads.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/the-heart-is-deceitful-above-all-things.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2006/06/heart-is-deceitful-above-all-things.jpg

video trailers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhbPeX98Qkk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImPbreJlgOA&feature=related

hunkahunka

10-11-2009, 07:34 PM

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/h/images/heart-is-deceitful-above-all-things-1.jpg
Marilyn Manson and Asia Argento together in 'The heart is deceitful above all Things'

check out this scene of Marilyn Manson playing the child rapist:

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk4fZoCqGk8&NR=1

The Heart is Deceitful : Sarah Dresses Up Jeremiah (note the Marylin Monroe
motif/ Oz red shoes):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8tVSiq2s4Y&feature=related

Also, Michael Pitt, who played the cross-dressing Kurt Cobain in
'Last Days' appears in this film as a meth addict (with Cobain hat)
who visits the drugged, raped, traumatized boy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOAMqi56szM

.torrent file:

http://www.mininova.org/det/425607

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7286/minimarilyn.jpg

http://ebooks-imgs.connect.com/product/400/000/000/000/000/158/857/400000000000000158857_s4.jpg
original book cover

http://www.filmbrain.com/photos/uncategorized/heart_is_deceitful.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mpJRvQpHWXU/SqhogMI22bI/AAAAAAAABzk/knNjaH66uoI/s400/2006_the_heart_is_deceitful_above_all_things_002.j pg
mom goes back to sanitarium

http://artforum.com/uploads/upload.000/id08564/article00_wide.jpg

hunkahunka

10-11-2009, 09:10 PM

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Celebrities/A_F/Ci_Cp/Cole_Sprouse/1/cole-sprouse7.jpg
Cole Sprouse, Asia Argento, Dylan Sprouse and Jimmy Bennett - "The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things" Wrap Party - 2003

Asia Argento played the part of Courtney Love opposite Michael Pitt in Last Days, and then purportedly went on to write the screenplay for, direct, and star in
'The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things'.

I say purportedly , because I think that alleged director Asia Argento, like alleged author Laura Albert, is more of this 'female creativity' that appeared from out of the blue, which served to mask the male names truly behind the film, a film that featured repeated gay male pedophilia (anus-rapes) of a cross-dressed boy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heart_Is_Deceitful_Above_All_Things

The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things

Story:
Laura Albert (yeah, right)

Screenplay:
Asia Argento (yeah, right)
Alessandro Magania (there (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1386124/)you are)

Directed by
Asia Argento (yeah, right)
Produced by
Chris Hanley, Ryan R. Johnson, etc (there (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0360065/)you are)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i270/thearpreston/Asia%20Argento/asia-argento-mar31-1-1.jpg
Asia Argento (interesting tat, that)

How this whole 'The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heart_Is_Deceitful_Above_All_Things) film project slipped from the hands of Gus Van Sant, yet ended up starring all of Van Sant's favorite people and close associates of the time, has yet to be explained.

Maybe Gus Van Sant didn't want another 'My Own Private Idaho' type boy hooker flick officially under his belt so he cooked up some bogus film credits for the film that he, or at least his CIA cohort, actually wrote and made?

(recall that Gus Van Sant was writing the screen adaptation of the book (http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/kurt-to-the-chase/2005/08/25/1124562956950.html)
and considering Courtney Love for the main part)

So how did Gus Van Sants 'screen adaptation' disappear, and end up being written instead by Asia Argento?

re: the alleged author of the original book, the bogus JT Leroy;

Is the real author of the book actually Gus Van Sant, not Laura Albert, just as Asia Argento most probably did not write the screenplay, as Gus Van Sant openly admitted (http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/kurt-to-the-chase/2005/08/25/1124562956950.html) that he was writing it himself?

We are to believe that Asia Argento went from playing a bimbo in Van Sant's Last Days to suddenly becoming the screen writer, director and main character of a project that was originally Gus Van Sant's?

Bull.

I think Gus Van Sant ,or his CIA cohort, decided that, in order to make this film at all, they would need a masking strategy to get such controversial subject matter into play, and what better way than to distance themselves as far as possible from the material, and claim that two women were essentially behind the project from start to finish?

interesting pen name that Van Sant chose for himself too: JT LeRoy.

Possibly named after the creator of the original 1939 Wizard of Oz film, Mervin LeRoy.

hunkahunka

10-11-2009, 10:20 PM

http://mondoglobo.net/images/laura-albert.jpg
alleged 'gay male child porn' author Laura Albert
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/03/08/albert/story.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Albert

http://www.terrorhotties.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/asia1.jpg
alleged 'gay male child porn' screenwriter/director Asia Argento
http://labattagliasoda.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/asia_argento_jpg_big.jpg

Who is the real JT LeRoy?
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/14718/

soulja

11-11-2009, 01:53 AM

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i270/thearpreston/Asia%20Argento/asia-argento-mar31-1-1.jpg
Asia Argento (interesting tat, that)

Her other tats are quite telling too.
http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/asia-argento-2nd-rome-film-festival-la-terza-madre-black-carpet-movie-premiere-0VgN2X.jpg

http://www.tattoos-by-design.co.uk/celebrities/images/argento3.jpg
And on her neck (slave) a 23 (illuminati)

two interwined serpents (bloodline) plus the black sun.
http://img2.listal.com/image/427711/425full-asia-argento.jpg

I believe she's from a multigenerational satanic family like so many other famous people, her father is dario argento.
http://www.gotterdammerung.org/film/dario-argento/dario-argento.jpg

a director well known for his horror movies and especially for the witchcraft cult classic ''suspiria'' (i have posted screens of the flick somewhere in the thread) her mother was an actress, her grandfather a composer. The family is part of the occult network, this becomes clear just by looking into her father, but asia is quite open about it too, if you know what to look for. Never mind her connections, prizes, etc..

http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/10/1062/OEUL000Z/asia-argento.jpg
She wears the cornuto, official explanation 'it fends of evil spirits' - truth: it's a sign of recognition in satanic circles.

http://www.limitemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/asia-argento-023.jpg
Mocking christ, a little satanic inside joke.

http://media.santabanta.com/gal/fashion/cannes/100.jpg

She is good friends with marylin manson btw, a member of CoS, for whom she directed the video sAINT.

Argento’s work may be characterized as rebellious and pushing boundaries. She directed Marilyn Manson’s music video for “(s)AINT,” which was banned in the United States for images of drug abuse, self mutilation, nudity, sexual content, and bondage. She also stated in a Fall 2000 interview with Filmmaker magazine that she was about to direct a porn movie because “I’ve seen a lot of porno films, but they are never very interesting. So what I want to try to do is have a strong story, but with real sex.”

She is very open and twisted about her sexuality which isn't in the least suprising if you believe she's a witch in the cult. (fertility rites) hence her naked angel tat above her vagina.

http://www.superiorpics.com/pictures2/6271_argent56773.jpg
Dressed in black with the cabalistic tree of life around her neck. The tree of life is also an important symbol/factor when it comes to internal MK alter systems.

http://access.nscpcdn.com/gallery/i/a/argento/argento_gal3.jpg
Asia walks the runway, all black, five pointed star, her fingers make the horns.

The painting below, depicting asia, is priced at 6000, which makes it very likely that it's not just some random painting from some fan or whatever.
it's a painting from someone who is also connected to the cult network. kinda reminds me of the monarch butterfly painting, and the puppet on strings painting of dita we have already seen in this thread. Those too were quite expensive, and depicted inside knowledge.
http://troyammons.com/paintings/painting%20images/Asia%20Argento.jpg
Roses symbolize Bloodline and secrecy (sub rosa) she stands on the checker floor (floor of the temple) because of course she's initiated into one or more of the countless strands of the world wide cult network, the brotherhood. Also note the split personality symbolism and the mirroring. Whoever drew that picture knows the score.

And how about this one?
http://aces.snu.ac.kr/mirrors/skins.be/wallpapers.skins.be/asia-argento/asia-argento-1920x1200-20911.jpg
Clearly staged, but at first glance rather harmless isn't it? A closer look tho and one can see another little sign of her being a witch. the flower she holds is the 7 pointed star. 7 is not just prominent within masonry, it's also the most important number in wicca.

For example:

Seven are the planets known to the Ancients

Seven are the colors of the rainbow

Seven are the nights in each quarter of the moon

Seven are the directions of the circle

Seven are the Tenets of the Wicca

the 7 pointed star, or heptagram, is also associated with the cult of isis.

And note that she isn't just holding the heptagram into the camera (in our faces) no, she makes a distinctive handsign while doing so.

This one:
http://bobbeckstead.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Sacred-Heart-of-Jesus.jpg

soulja

11-11-2009, 05:25 AM

Came across this very interesting website of an SRA and mind control victim, she calls herself Mauri. Her story is well worth the read as it contains some new insights, at least it did for me.
http://www.reflectionsinthenight.com/walpurgisnacht_baby.htm

The real gems of her site are her essays though. From all the Mk victims i know of she is definately the sharpest. her thoughts on Oprah, the new age crowd, witchcraft, and crowley are right on the money.

Wrong Rabbit Hole

With so many patriots, all with their own point of view, one wonders whom to trust. Could your favorite leader in the patriot crusade be from the other side and telling a lie? The fact that you learn the truth isn’t the only issue to those who would rule the world. Just as important is who to blame and even more important is what to do, sending the reader or listener down the rabbit hole of their choice. The disinformation artist tells almost the whole truth in all its gory detail, with just an alteration or two perhaps leading to the wrong instigator or a cure that is worse than the disease. After all it doesn’t really matter what you know, if in the end they can herd you where they want you to go. That is why just the right disinformation imbedded among the truth is so effect.

I am personally suspicious of the salve of a one-world religion. I think everyone’s relationship with God should be personal. You may learn of the Armageddon that is being planned and do nothing at all, because you think you have the solution in the rapture. Another group I have trouble supporting is the “think positive thoughts” crowd, but if you disagree you can always just go watch Oprah, its biggest supporter. What could possibly be wrong with having only positive thoughts?

My introduction into the “expose the evil” movement started in the early 1990s when I began to have flashbacks of severe childhood abuse. Apparently I had lots of company. With dedication I followed the exposure of child abuse on daytime television talk shows. Oprah slowly moved to the front of the pack on this issue, based mainly on her confessions of her own childhood abuse. This made Oprah a “patriot” to be trusted, at least for a while. Then in 1993 she made an abrupt about face.

Taken from the FMS Foundation Newsletter; Vol 2 No.8, August 30, 1993 is the following:

“Dear Friends,

It's happened. We can say it with confidence. The climate surrounding the FMS phenomenon has shifted. We see many indications of change in addition to the media coverage. People are beginning to understand that FMSF is concerned about issues that arise from our understanding of memory and suggestibility. It is important to address these issues so that the good efforts to improve the situation for children and women are not undermined because of incorrect science, careless therapy or fraud.”

Why the jubilant celebration? They had a friend in Oprah. Taken from the newsletter:

“‘Is Your Repressed Memory a Lie?’ aired on the Oprah Winfrey Show, July 26, 1993. Among the guests were Richard Ofshe, Ph.D., Courage to Heal author, Ellen Bass, Melody Gavigan, a retractor, and FMSF members, Jack and Pat Collier.”

I remember Oprah declaring that she didn’t repress her memories then expressed doubt that such a thing was possible. To me Oprah deserves the prize as one of the most effective of the disinformation artists. She rounded up the sexually abused sheep then devoted one of her final shows on the subject to the FMS wolves foundation. They won the day. And behind the scenes the abuse continued to grow.

In typical Oprah fashion, her documentary “Living with Autism” gave the parents and victims of this disorder a soap box on which to speak, which was a good thing. Many of the parents were suspicious of the mercury in vaccines as the cause of their child’s autism. But, Oprah’s contribution definitely supported the powers that run things behind the scenes. The following quote was taken from Oprah’s website:

“We contacted the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention about whether there is a link between autism and vaccines and they gave us the following statement:

’CDC places a high priority on vaccine safety and the integrity and credibility of its vaccine safety research. This commitment not only stems from our scientific and medical dedication, it is also personal—for most of us who work at CDC are also parents and grandparents. And as such, we too, have high levels of personal interest and concern in the health and safety of children, families and communities. We simply don't know what causes most cases of autism, but we're doing everything we can to find out. The vast majority of science to date does not support an association between thimerosal in vaccines and autism. But we are currently conducting additional studies to further determine what role, if any, thimerosal in vaccines may play in the development of autism. It is important to remember, vaccines protect and save lives. Vaccines protect infants, children and adults from the unnecessary harm and premature death caused by vaccine-preventable diseases.’"

While Oprah may have exposed parental concern about the safety of vaccines, she, as always, had the definitive word on the subject. And, as always, it was in support of the powers that be, in this case the CDC. Now where is it I get the tickets for Oprah's Christmas special, you know the one with all the free stuff?

Oprah, the Queen of Greed, pushes a philosophy that victims don’t really accept, in part because of its cult-like aspects. “The Secret,” a book she thinks we should all embrace, puts out a blame-the-victim worldview. It dictates that we should think only positive thoughts and the Universe will reward us with a positive life; we create reality. Repressive environments, such as cults, demand smiley faces, reinforced by the mantra that the slightest hint of negativity will attract a negative consequence. And this may well be true when one is a slave to the desires of others. Being fearful or angry is a self-defense, and if the self has no value such negativity must be crushed. It is people who live in dream worlds that create their own reality, and they aren’t destined to live long in this cruel world. I remember the Satanists that I lived around visualized such things as empty parking places. What kind of imbecile would ask the Universe to find them a parking place? Trusting a Billionaire these days is becoming more and more difficult to do.

Another tactic of the disinfo-artist is to turn our anger against each other in a useless nonproductive fight, or to encourage us to get out of control so that we can be quickly and effectively eliminated. The constructive use of the energy of anger can move mountains. The object of reasoned thought is to do the right thing when one feels anger, it isn’t to do nothing at all or let the anger deteriorate into rage.

I wonder why God gave man negative emotions? Perhaps to get one to move and defend one’s self or to make the decision that life is worth fighting for. Life is a struggle, and the winner is usually the one that puts energy into planning ahead. Critical thought aids survival. The object of life is to feel, not just feel good. I always judge the patriots I listen to by theirs solutions as much as what they expose. Sometimes I agree and sometimes I disagree. My advice is to listen and learn from what is being said, think critically and never to follow anyone blindly.

http://www.fmsfonline.org/fmsf93.830.html

Oprah Autism and CDC

Mauri (11/6/07)

Oprah’s School for Girls

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I have no objection to helping the Third World, if that is their desire. But, much of what masquerades as help, is really an attack on the indigenous population. It is important that communities have dignity. The responsible person for outsiders to deal with is the community leader. So why is it considered a positive when strangers come into the community and begin to separate out the children, for re-education. Schools for gifted children are buzzwords for schools that conduct mind control programs. Many survivors of these schools or programs in America have come out against them as adults (see Duncan O'finioan.). Children need to look to parents as their main providers. Family pride and respect does matter.

Oprah’s multimillion-dollar school for girls, an imposing brick building surrounded by an electric fence which neighbors consider an eyesore, is perhaps a classic example of what not to do when interfering in the affairs of others. Amid claims of child abuse, including sexual, by the school staff members, the parents have alleged that the school rules are too strict. Sweets are never allowed in the children’s diet of only fruit, yoghurt and sandwiches. The children are kept isolated from the outside world, especially family, and even when visits are allowed the parent may be held waiting at the security gate an unreasonable length of time.

What message is given when a multimillion-dollar school is built in the community and then surrounded by secrecy. Why are strangers, often with mental illnesses, better role models than loving mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles? I can tell you bad things go on in schools where relatives wait at the entrance, often a long time, to finally be admitted. That is what I was required to do at the pre-school where my grandchildren were abused. They knew who I was. Why couldn’t I just walk in?

Junk food is not a good diet. But an occasional treat sometimes lifts one’s spirits, and can be nutritious. Why did the students in Oprah’s school feel deprived of treats? Could it be they were being fed a diet with too few calories? I was kept hungry and cold as a child, for a reason. It tends to open one up to a little thought control, a necessary ingredient in any re-education program. The same maybe said of isolation techniques, such as limiting visits from the outside world. Isn’t that just exactly what cults do? And what is being taught in this school, anyway? Is it loyalty to outsiders instead of their community? This multimillion-dollar school, surrounded by secrecy, doesn’t seem like a good thing to me. Is her school really just a Trojan horse? I think if I lived in that community, I would ask Oprah to open up the school to the community and if she refused I would ask her to leave.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,9294,2-7-1442_2081757,00.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article2716668.ece

http://www.caica.org/Oprah_Winfrey_flies_to_South_Africa_10-22-07.htm

Mauri (11/3/07)

The Golden Compass - Crowleyism for Children

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The ideas argued by outraged religious groups on the web against the new movie for children, “The Golden Compass,” encouraged me to buy a ticket. December 7 I went to see it in the theater. According to the plot, Lyra, the twelve-year old heroine, deserted by her parents, was now raising herself in an environment surrounded by evil. I could identify with that. As the family falls apart, I’m sure Lyra’s plight is identified with by much of the youthful audience that is the movie’s target. It is the solution given by the story that I have a disagreement with. The solution is war. But how does a child wage war against forces much greater than herself? The answer is to use Magick and the power of secret societies, such as the witches. The Ice Bear showed up right in the nick, roaring and leading the battle with loyalty and devotion for a stranger in trouble. The glue of a confusing and weak plot was the Golden Compass, which was used mainly as a crystal ball to convince others to join in on the physical fight. I got the distinct feeling the plot, yet another gory war, was not of as much importance to the movie as the introduction of ideas one might call Crowleyism. Raise the audience’s adrenalin and artificially empower them with a victory and then bath them in a propaganda designed to enslave them in failure. Classic Crowleyism.

It doesn’t matter what your religion is, the message of this movie for children is depressing. Who wants to live in such a fear-based world full of witches and daemons? It’s an insult to the other species with which we share our earth home, as it depicts them as only having value when they do our bidding. Movies should teach children skills and true independence. Instead this movie teaches them Crowleyism with all its magick and witchcraft.

To begin with the witches and friends do not represent paganism. No major religion that practiced this anti-family kind of belief lasted long. The harsh environment would have wiped them out. The witches are so dependent on their evil spells, they are incapable of supplying themselves with food, clothing and shelter, let alone the huge effort required to raise their young, if they had any with no real men. They would soon become a predator’s dream. And it is the predators among us that want our children to live in a dream world of magick, becoming the perfect prey. Believe me, your ancestors were clever all on their own without the questionable aid of magick, or you wouldn’t be here. No society survives long when belief systems become totally dysfunctional.

Much of the Crowleyism in this movie is a matter of semantics. Take the Daemon. According to the story, a person’s soul (Daemon) is an animal that lives outside the body, with which one communicates. In other words everyone is daemon possessed, and by the way you are the daemon (pronounced deemon). Witches, fallen angels and now Demons are good. Evil has been wiped out by the use of the pen. We can no longer look at the evil counterpart of an issue because everything has been re-defined as good. Classic Crowley! This takes away one’s defense of protecting oneself from things that aren’t so good, by saying they don’t exist. One might take the same fantasy idea of having an animal spirit that follows one through life as a companion. Making the spirit a separate entity and giving it a good name, is an idea that may provide comfort. Many people find great love in their animal companions (pets) in life and I think for some that relationship may continue after the loved animal dies. This idea may be empowering, that we are never alone. Even if the story follows ideas of animism, that you have an animal spirit that contributes to your personality, why call it a Daemon? The Pullman idea is that we are all daemon possessed, and without our daemons we die. The clue to the real intent is the use the word Daemon. The same idea applies to the use of the word Witch or witchcraft.

The magick of science, Quantum Mechanics, is introduced in Pullman’s stories by giving Lyra’s world parallel universes connected by “dust.” No logical argument could refute these ideas because they aren’t based on logic; Quantum Mechanics is based on logick (magick). It has proved far more useful as a mystery religion than it has as a set of scientific principles that predicts and explains things.

Stories for children should have a moral message. Fantasy is useful for allegory, otherwise life should be depicted the way it is. Better to show children learning home arts, such as handcrafting, than showing them learning to do magick spells. The Pullman story teaches the ultimate lie of Crowleyism, that the road to freedom is "Do what thou wilt” and then tries to control God by the practice of Magick. When in fact magick is the ultimate dependence, often leading to criminal behavior to supply needs. The road to independence and freedom is learning life skills, including the physical production of necessities and the social glue of morality.

Mauri (2/3/08)

Satan Lies

The occult is known by its secret knowledge. Join our little group, take a death oath and some of that secret will be revealed to you. Here is the secret I learned in the occult group I was raised in. Satan lies! The secret knowledge is all about controlling YOU. One of the major ways that is done is to only reveal bits and pieces and just when you think you might be starting to understand, you are bombarded with a whole new set of rules. The dogma twists and turns, the real magick just beyond reach. I never take the dogma preached by occult worshipers too seriously, because I know that Satan lies. The occult goes wherever it can to find inspiration, the ancient world and the world’s religions. It goes to science and nature and even finds inspiration in technology such as cyborgs. It’s the ugly lies that Satan attaches to these things that elevate it to the level of magick and power. An example is to sacrifice a child to some ancient deity. At the end of that ceremony you have just sold your soul and now someone else owns YOU. The child goes to Heaven and God. The power gained in the sacrifice is your power, not the victim’s. I know these things. The real wounds of the occult are self-inflicted. And as these wounds bleed they often create obsessive-compulsive behavior where the evil escalates, like a serial killer that just keeps killing. Under the power of the cult, that you are feeding with the continual loss of your freewill, you race to the most powerless position of all, hell on earth.

Mauri (11/29/07)

Another Conspiracy Theory

This essay is painful for me to write. I must read about a time I normally keep buried safely in the past. I have to go back and look at photos, which is very triggering and puts a pit in my stomach. If I skip over things quickly it is because dealing with those things is like touching a hot stove with your bear hand. Your instinct is to pull away quickly. But, I feel a need to muddy the waters of history just a bit, because I might just be right. My conspiracy theory involves some very interesting figures from the past, Jack Parsons and Howard Hughes

Jack Parsons is famous for two things, creating the rocket fuel that got us to the moon and his Babalon Working to create a “moonchild” thus ushering in the Aeon of Horus. He had one foot in science and the other foot in the occult. He was not alone. The mid-twentieth century military industrial complex was into the same game. They still are. Both of Jack’s worlds came together in Pasadena, CA, where he helped create and run the Jet Propulsion Laboratory at Cal Tech, and he helped organize the O.T.O. get-togethers out of his home. I believe they called it the “Pasadena Mansion” because one of the first things I remembered when this period of my life started to bubble up was child sex trafficking in a “mansion.” I felt I was driven to Pasadena to get to there.

In 1952 Jack Parsons was blown to kingdom come in a chemical explosion in his home. No need to rule it a “suicide,” an “accident” would do. They saved the “suicide” label for his mother who died hours later of a drug overdose. If this story isn’t ripe for a hundred conspiracy theories, I don’t know what is. Few Jack Parsons’ fans believe it was an accident in Jack’s case. Not much is said about his mother. Jack Parsons’ supporters are found in the main among those who are interested in his occult activities. They like to paint him as a very wicked man, in a good way. I feel this is probably causing Jack’s spirit to roll over in his grave. The Jack that I knew would have much preferred to be known for his science.

My conspiracy theory of John Whiteside Parsons’ death is that it was orchestrated because he did a selfless act of kindness and tried to help those in some mighty powerless positions. Since this does not fit the image of the “Great Beast” I’m sure my theory will find no favor among his occultist supporters. But then I am more one of his science fans.

In the early 1940’s Jack was riding high on the Beast. He was definitely into sex magick, especially when one Marjorie Elizabeth Cameron showed up, with her soft flowing red hair. He had found his calling. But what came next changed everything. His home, which he had very little control over, started to fill up with some hardcore evil. First came the Nazis and the Mafia, followed by the tiny tots. The guest list expanded along with the rituals. Taken from “Sex and Rockets” by John Carter and Robert Anton Wilson (pg 158), on August 1946, Jack Parsons sent a formal letter of resignation from the OTO to Aleister Crowley stating, “I do not believe that the OTO, as an autocratic organization, constitutes a true and proper medium for the expression and attainment of these principles [the rights of Man.]”

While Jack’s response to the child sex trafficking was to hide me, one of the tots, among guests’ coats. Howard Hughes would anxiously await the night’s festivities, and especially the children. I remember Howard Hughes as a definite pedophile; a child knows these things. In most of the men, I was sex trafficked to, this affliction was less obvious.

This conspiracy theory now has a major conflict, with the Nazis, the Mafia, Howard Hughes and much of the rest of the gang on the “keep the child sex magick” side, and Jack on the “send these kids home” side. Oh, Oh, Jack was becoming a problem who might just spill the beans. What to do? Well logically, one might start by putting Jack under pressure, to perhaps get him to fall into line, by say ruining his reputation and taking away his security clearance at Hughes Aircraft. Howard would certainly agree to help punish that party pooper. According to John Carter, in his book "Sex and Rockets," that is just what happened to Jack. But Jack did not seem repentant enough and maybe others at the O.T.O. might join him. And there was always the question of Jack’s mother. What did she know and would she tell? Jack’s death was surrounded by all the elements of a conspiracy. It was preceded by years of a down hill slide in his reputation that seemed to come from almost every direction. He had fought back and underestimated his enemies. Child sex trafficking is no small issue; a whole foundation has been formed to keep its victims from talking or at least being heard. It is called the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and has some mighty powerful members on its board.

Mauri (11/20/07)

hunkahunka

11-11-2009, 01:51 PM

One actor that seems almost certain to be immersed in the whole Hollywood mind control scene is Matt Damon. He not only pops up regularly in Gus Van Sant films:

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Matt Damon in Gus Van Sant's Good Will Hunting (1997)

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Matt Damon, left, in Gus Van Sant's 'Gerry' (2002)

He also starred in a series of blatant mind control films based on Robert Ludlum's 'Bourne Trilogy', three films featuring Damon as mind control victim & CIA agent Jason Bourne:

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Matt Damon in 'The Bourne Identity' (2002)

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Matt Damon in 'The Bourne Supremacy (2004)

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Matt Damon in 'The Bourne Ultimatum' (2007)

Matt Damon was also in the lead role of 'The Good Shepherd' (2006), as CIA agent Edward Wilson. 'The Good Shepherd' even featured a scene depicting a CIA gathering on Deer Island, the St. Lawrence Seaway island owned by the CIA's elite Skull n' Bones cult. (Thousand Islands region)

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Matt Damon in the 'The Good Shepherd' (2006)

So here we have a Hollywood actor connected to Gus Van Sant, mind controlled CIA operatives, and even the Skull n' Bones society all in
the course of a film career spanning just ten years. (1997 - 2007)

He also plays the role of a government double agent in 2009's
dark comedy 'The Informant':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Informant!

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Matt Damon in 'The Informant!' (2009)

soulja

11-11-2009, 09:20 PM

Matt Damon was also in the lead role of 'The Good Shepherd' (2006), as CIA agent Edward Wilson. 'The Good Shepherd' even featured a scene depicting a CIA gathering on Deer Island, the St. Lawrence Seaway island owned by the CIA's elite Skull n' Bones cult. (Thousand Islands region)

There even was a scene where bonesmen dressed up as women were singing and dancing on stage at a bonesmen gathering. Another scene had them sitting around a table, lift their glas and say: Bonesmen first, god second.

hunkahunka

11-11-2009, 09:50 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgCTx6Mu-TE

soulja

12-11-2009, 07:20 PM

More on Oprah's 40 million leadership acadamy for girls.

Oprah Winfrey
Abuse Scandal Hits School for Girls in South Africa

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A recent scandal at the Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy for Girls near Johannesburg, South Africa has spread via news reporting agencies worldwide. Oprah Winfrey traveled to the school for the second time in two weeks to deal with the burgeoning crisis, which involves a dorm matron’s alleged physical abuse and sexual misconduct.

Local African newspaper Rapport reports that a dorm mother has been accused of grabbing a student by the throat and throwing her against a wall, in addition to swearing and screaming at the girls, and assaulting them. In the most severe allegation, she is also accused of sexually fondling at least one student.

The alleged incidents surfaced when one of the pupils ran away from the Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy because the reported abuse had become intolerable. The student's parents subsequently informed the school.
Oprah Makes a Statement

The chief executive of the academy, John Samuel, said in a statement that the South African police unit on family violence, child protection and sexual offense (FCS) had been informed of the alleged incidents and that the matron has been temporarily suspended pending an investigation.

“The inquiry is being conducted in a manner that supports the safe and nurturing environment of the academy, with minimal disruption to campus life. In addition, the academy is providing psychological support and counseling services to our learners,” read the statement, the only public comment that has been released so far by the school.

School Scandal Response

Oprah Winfrey spent over $40 million building the school and is called "Mama Oprah" by the students. She flew immediately to the school, missing an appearance at a Julia Roberts event, to investigate the situation. Winfrey, who has no children of her own and was abused as a child herself, issued the following brief statement:

"Nothing is more serious or devastating to me than an allegation of misconduct by an adult against any girl at the academy." She has not discussed the alleged incidents on either her talk show or her website.

History of the Oprah Winfrey School

Oprah Winfrey’s dream school is located at Henley on Klip, a quiet mining town north of Johannesburg , South Africa, and has been the setting of controversy since January, when it opened, housing 150 of the country’s poorest but brightest girls. Local residents have complained about everything from the buildings being an eyesore to not being hired for school cleaning and cooking jobs, while local police have complained about private firms handling security, the level of which has also been mentioned as a concern by parents.

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The 28-building Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy for Girls campus encompasses 52 acres, and includes classrooms, computers and science laboratories, a library and a theatre.

The private firm that handles security for oprah's academy calls itself Venus Africa. Venus also handles security for microsoft and other big companies. http://www.venusafrica.co.za/about.htm

soulja

12-11-2009, 07:35 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgCTx6Mu-TE

Nice find. it can't get much more blatant than that.

hunkahunka

12-11-2009, 10:24 PM

video:

The Truth about CIA JIM JONES and Jonestown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIo6EUydzqc&feature=channel

hunkahunka

13-11-2009, 01:09 AM

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Van Sant knew Cobain, too."We met him and Courtney [Love, Cobain's wife] at their manager's party," he says. "Later, Kurt called to try and get his friend a job on Cowgirls [Van Sant's 'Even Cowgirls Get the Blues'] so we had a relationship in that way. And then I offered him a role in a film that winter that he died. I had sent a script to his manager, and Courtney said they got it and he'd read it but then he died.

Interesting. The now deceased River Phoenix appeared in a Gus Van Sant film (My Own Private Idaho) which appears to have been based on the teen life of Kurt Cobain, and now we hear that Gus Van Sant offered the now deceased Kurt Cobain a role in a film during the winter of 1994.

Can anyone out there help me find out which script Gus Van Sant sent
to Cobain's manager?

the crusader 1000

13-11-2009, 08:48 AM

hunkahunka

13-11-2009, 03:28 PM

I have always believed he was killed, there was something not right some how.
The more I read about it the more it smells fishy, still reading about this subject and will get back with some findings of my own if not already up, will check first before posting.

welcome, if you can help find out what movie Van Sant wanted Cobain to be in that would be great too.

Whether it was suicide or murder, I think his death was related to the whole
mind control cohort that Cobain was immersed in.

I am getting the feeling that Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix, Matt Damon, Courtney Love,etc. were all children put through various forms of training and conditioning.

I had a quick look at Matt Damon's bio. His mother was a university prof
specializing in 'early childhood education'. His parents divorced when
he was 2, and he was moved, by his mother, to Cambridge, Massachusetts, home of
Harvard and MIT.
[quote: Cambridge is a city in Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States, in the Greater Boston area. It was named in honor of the University of Cambridge in England, a nexus of the Puritan theology embraced by the town's founders.]

He knew Ben Affleck from early childhood,
and at Harvard played a female in a musical revue called 'My Name is Alice'.

I also found this video clip online with the caption 'Resident Evil clip- Alice
Program activated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jejs7qUtSps

I think films like 'The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things' depict what might go into producing someone like River Phoenix, Courtney Love, or Kurt Cobain. In the film it is revealed that the drug-using child prostitute actually comes from a family controlled by a religious cult, which periodically takes him back into the fold of the cult (for programming purposes?) but continually allows him to fall back into the hands of his prostitute mother, who is also a product of the cult. River Phoenix was raised by the 'Children of God' cult, (which advocated
sex with children) and led a transient life as a child performer moving about with the cult.

Gus Van Sant seems to specialize in childhood/teenage mind control themes, and to have his hands all over this 'early childhood education' sector of Hollywood.

I am reposting a video about Kurt Cobain and 'My Own Private Idaho' here:

Kurt Cobain's Own Private Idaho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrFSmOlXrMg

hunkahunka

13-11-2009, 04:25 PM

quote:

Steven Soderbergh has confirmed that Matt Damon will play longtime Liberace love interest, Scott Thorsen, opposite Michael Douglas in an upcoming film centered on the pianist's life

greydove

13-11-2009, 05:26 PM

The title:

The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things

Well, to a Satanist, yes. Poor deluded fools.

hunkahunka

14-11-2009, 09:21 PM

video:

Leuren Moret Discusses MKUltra, Tavistock, HAARP & Mind Control

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzXYyhmv-Ug

quote:

Leuren Moret Discusses MKUltra, Tavistock, HAARP, and many of the experiments that were carried out at UC Berkeley, UC Davis, Stanford University, and Livermore Labs.

Leuren and I were in San Francisco yesterday, (June 13, 2009). When we passed Stillwell Hall she said, "They held people in cages in there to do MK Ultra." I said, "Let's make a video!!"

hunkahunka

16-11-2009, 12:11 AM

video:

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/13509/Tavistock_Institute__World_Mind_Control/

hunkahunka

17-11-2009, 01:51 PM

http://www.paganspath.com/magik/witches.htm

What is a Witch?

A witch in a simple definition is a person who practices the art of energy manipulation; what we call Magik. This label is typically associated with Anglo-Celtic, Celtic and Southern Teutonic magik traditions. However, the label "witch" is not specific to any one religion.
There are Witches in Witchcraft, Christian Witches, Jewish Witches (more often called Mystics), Satanic Witches, Voodoun Witches and many more. Each of these religions use the label witch, or variations, to describe a person who includes magik as part of their beliefs and practices.

What Is A Wizard?

(Anglo-Saxon) Includes both sexes; One who is born with naturally given talents, energies and great knowledge of Magikal practices. One who adheres to the pagan traditions. A wizard usually acts alone and is sometimes considered to be a semi-divine authority. Merlin would be a good example. However, this divine perception is often rejected and most often redirected to the proper deities by the wizard himself/herself.

Everyone is born with gifts and talents, however, a wizard is born with an inner instinct toward magikal practices. That person still has to make the 'choice' to use those gifts on the pagan path. A witch or wizard is making a choice to follow the principles and beliefs of the pagan path and exercise their given talents. They are not born with an all knowing wisdom. Just like everyone else; they have learning to do and wisdom to achieve.

Coven Member

A person who has been initiated within a formally organized coven, clan, grove or the like

Here's another example in detail. Within my clan each level of membership defines an individuals role within the Clan and the Clan community at large. These titles are earned, they are not given out just by being a member of our organization.

* Member at Large -
A 1st level initiate. A practioner of the faith and member of the Clan. Some take on the label Celtic or Clan Witch to define this role within our community.
* Clan Administrator -
A 1st level initiate. A volunteer within the Clan who is assigned to administrative duties within the Clan.
* Clan Mentor -
A 2nd level apprenticing initiate, assigned to mentor other members of the Clan in a specific specialized area of study.
* Clan Sage
A 3rd level initiate dedicated to sharing the knowledge and wisdom of the faith and a specialized area of study such as divination, magik, or healing.
* Clan Shaman / Shamanka (Clan Leaders)
A 4th level initiate dedicated to sharing the knowledge and wisdom of the faith, proven gifts of divination, expert knowledge of Holistic Healing, with leadership capabilities of the Clan, and it's practices.
* Clan Elder
A 5th level initiate dedicated to providing services, leadership and teachings to all members within and outside the Clan. Who through action and deed has continually demonstrated a high level of ethics, knowledge and wisdom.

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hunkahunka

18-11-2009, 12:48 AM

video:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=5536901781363034073&ei=oTYDS6vAE4SElgfS4cX4CQ&q=America%27s+Occult_Holidays_pt1.avi&hl=en#
Doc Marquis was raised in an Illuminati family, trained as an Illuminist, and attained the rank of Master Witch (3rd degree).

http://uscccnii2000.tripod.com/twoseals/id10.html

A FOCUS ON DOC MARQUIS:

FORMER ILLUMINIST WITCH REVEALS STRONG WITCHCRAFT TIES TO FREEMASONRY

Doc Marquis, former Illuminist witch, answers the Top 25 Questions he receives during his seminars on Illuminati, Witchcraft, and Freemasonry.

25 TOP QUESTIONS ABOUT FREEMASONRY

1) Is Freemasonry A Christian Organization?

"If Freemasonry were simply a Christian institution, the Jew and the Moslem, the Brahman and Buddhist, could not conscientiously partake of its illumination."
[Albert Mackey, Encyclopedia of Freemasonry", p. 182, 33rd Degree Mason.]

Doc Marquis: We find it highly instructive that Mackey boldly admits to Masonic Adepts that Freemasonry is NOT Christian! Of course, at the time Mackey wrote his book, it was secret, available only to Adept Masons. Had Mackey ever thought that this book would have become available to the public, he would not have been so bold.

2) Is Freemasonry Christian?

Freemasonry is not Christian, nor a substitute for it. [C.F. McQuaig, My Masonic Friend, p. 1]

Doc Marquis: Once again, we see that, by their own admission, Freemasonry is NOT Christian! The only instance where we hear that it is Christian is from the Masonic Propaganda Division, and by those poor Masons who have been deliberately deceived by their own Superiors.

3) The King James Version of the Bible is on the altars at Masonic Lodges. Isn't this proof that Masonry is based upon the Bible?

"Masonry has nothing to do with the Bible; it is not founded upon the Bible, for if it were, it would not be Masonry, it would be something else."
[The Digest of Masonic Law, p. 207-209]

Doc Marquis: Now we see a Masonic author admitting that Freemasonry is NOT based upon the Bible! Therefore, not only is Masonry NOT Christian, it is even NOT Judeo-Christian! These revelations just keep on coming, do they not?

4) But what about God?

"Humanity, 'in-toto', then, is the only Personal God." [J.D. Buck, Mystic Masonry , p. 136, 32nd Degree]

Doc Marquis: As any good occultist, Freemasonry believes the lie Satan told Eve in the Garden of Eden, "You shall be as God".

5) So, then, Masonry is not based on the Bible, not its Christian principles; then, the Masonic Lodges are not teaching religion, correct?

"Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion, and its teachings are instruction in religion". [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma , p. 213.

Doc Marquis: Pike was a 33rd Degree Mason, Head of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Southern Jurisdiction] Pike's revelation here, at the 13th Degree, that Masonry teaches religion, is a perfect example of the deliberate lying policy of Freemasonry. At the 10th Degree, Pike states that "Masonry is not a religion". Then, at the 13th Degree, the Mason is told that this statement was false, and that Masonry IS a religion. Then, whenever a person not a Mason makes the charge that Masonry is a religion, they are then quoted Pike at the 10th Degree denying it, and are never told that Pike reverses himself at the 13th Degree to admit that Masonry IS a religion. Truly, Freemasonry is a series of long hallways of smoke and mirrors, designed to lead all but a handful of Masons astray, and to deceive 100% of all Non-Masons. No organization that engages in deliberate lying can call itself Christian.

6) Since Masonic Lodges are religious temples, what are they searching for since they do not worship Jesus Christ?

"Freemasonry is a search for Light. That search leads us directly back, as you see, to the Kabalah." [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma , p. 741,

Doc Marquis: Pike was a 33rd Degree Mason, Head of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Southern Jurisdiction]

7) But isn't the Kabalah a religion?

"All truly dogmatic religions have issued from the Kabalah and return to it; everything scientific and grand in the religious dreams of the Illuminati ... all the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and their symbols." [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma ]

Doc Marquis: We wish to warn all our Jewish friends who are caught up in the revival of Kabalah study, they are believing in the very Satanic counterfeit to the Torah and other Old Testament books of the Bible that the Pharisees and Sadducees of Jesus' day were practicing. Did you know that the major reason the Pharisees and Sadducees plotted to murder Jesus, in spite of His obvious supernatural power, was because they were practicing the witchcraft of the Kabalah? You should understand that Jesus was so unrelenting in His pronouncements of damnation against the Pharisees, which is totally out of character of His love and compassion for ordinary sinners, even grievous sinners. Jesus knew the Pharisees and Sadducees were practicing the witchcraft that later was to become known as the Kabalah.

8) So, then, if the Kabalah is an ancient practice found within the occult world, are the symbols, words, and other Masonic expressions found within the occult?

"In modern witch rites, we find terms and expressions that are also used in Masonry, the Golden Dawn, and other such occult societies."
[Arnold and Patricia Crowther, The Secrets of Ancient Witchcraft, p. 22]

Doc Marquis: Once again, we see the instance where Freemasonry is loved by all the wrong people: Witches, Satanists, Illuminists, demonically possessed New Age authors, and demonically possessed leaders of other secret societies. Since "Birds of a Feather Flock Together", this fact is one very important and concrete evidence that Freemasonry is just as Satanic as these other organizations admit openly they are! Keep this fact in mind as you read the facts presented, below.

9) So if Masonry is pushing the occult religions, surely many members must come from occult sources and backgrounds .

Doc Marquis: They certainly do! We have listed examples, below, of known Satanists and/or Occultists who were also Freemasons in good standing. Do not be deceived by any Masonic Propaganda that says these people were "rogue Masons"; on the contrary, they were Masons in good standing throughout their lives. In fact, what these occultists who were also Masons represent are the very few Illuminated Masons who had gone all the way to the "Light", to discover what the final great secret of Masonry truly is, i.e., dedicated Satanists working to achieve the New World Order of Antichrist.

a) Dr. Wynn Westcott -- member of the Rosicrucian Society and founding member of the occult Order of the Golden Dawn. The Order of the Golden Dawn is one of the most Satanic of secret societies, and is highly active in the establishment of the coming New World Order of Antichrist. Don't you find it extremely "illuminating" that its founder is also a Mason?

b) S. L. MacGregor Mathers -- co-founder of the occult Order of the Golden Dawn -- Thus, we see that both founders of this Satanic secret society were Freemasons.

c) Dr. Gerard Encausse -- member of the Illuminati and leader of the occult group known as 'Martinism'. According to Albert Mackey, a 33rd Degree Mason, "The degrees of Martinism abounded in the reveries (pleasures) of the Mystics." [Albert Mackey, Encyclopedia of Masonry", p. 552] The "pleasures" of the Mystics is a euphemism for sex. We have already noted that Freemasonry utilizes the symbolism of sex in their circle with a dot [free13 for full details]. In free07 , we also note the sexual symbolism inherent in their writings. Freemasons "worship the creature rather than the Creator" just as much as do any of the pagan groups in world history. Again, this fact is one of the reasons they insist upon absolute secrecy, rightly fearing public scrutiny.

d) Aleister Crowley -- infamous Satanist who founded the occult religion of Thelema. So debased and foul was he, that his contemporaries referred to him as 'Mr. 666', and his mother referred to him as 'The Beast' of the Book of Revelation.

While Crowley did not found the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.], he did control the organization for many years. The O.T.O. is an extremely Black Magick secret society, very Satanic.

e) Dr. Theodore Reuss -- Head of the occult order known as the O.T.O. (Ordo Templi Orientis). He was such a prolific occult writer that he gave Aleister Crowley the reigns of authority of the O.T.O. in London. This is an official logo of the O.T.O., taken off the web. You are looking into the black abyss of Hell in this drawing. This apparently is the entrance into Hell, with the Masonic-type columns on each side and the typically Masonic/occultic winged symbol above. Two All-seeing Eyes oversee all who enter its gates. Freemasonry is "identical with the Mysteries", says Albert Pike; therefore, this scene of the Gates of Hell IS Freemasonry.

f) George Pickingill -- renowned master witch of 19th Century England and leader of the 'Pinkingill coven' .

g) Manly P. Hall -- a Rosicrucian, Masonic author, and founder of the Philosophical Research Society . Hall was world renowned as a Freemason, and one of its most prolific writers. It was he who said that Fellow Craft Masons can expect to have the "seething energies of Lucifer in your hands" once he understands the deep secrets of the Craft. His books were published by prestigious Masonic Publishing companies. Since Hall was simultaneously a Rosicrucian and a Freemason, we wish to show you the Rosicrucian Cross , so you can see the terrible blasphemies of Freemasonry. Please closely observe how they have covered our precious Cross of Calvary with the deepest, most wicked, symbols of Satan! You can see four (4) upright pentagrams, representing Lucifer and covering each of the four points of the cross; then, you can see a hexagram just below the center, on the downward arm of the cross, probably designed to cast a "HEX" on our Savior's cross! Folks, this is the true nature of Freemasonry. Masonry reveres Rosicrucianism so very highly, they have an order dedicated to it, called, "Knight of the Rosy Croix", the 18th Degree! Once, more the true Satanic nature of Freemasonry becomes more clear.

h) Gerald B. Gardner -- founder of the modern revival of Wicca, who had a style of witchcraft named after him known as the 'Gardnerian Style of Witchcraft'.

i) Alex Sanders -- known as the "King of all Witches" in London, he was one of the most influential witches after Gardner. He also had a style of witchcraft named after him called, "Alexanderian Witchcraft".

j) Eliphas Levi -- one of the most occult writers of the 19th Century . Doc really understates the case here. Levi was known as "the foremost occult authority of the 19th century". [Nuit Unlimited Imports, a New Age importer of witchcraft memorabilia] Levi created the extremely obscene image of Baphomet to represent Satan. "Levi's drawing of Baphomet shows his emphasis on sex, for he made Baphomet as an androgynous [both male-female] figure. Satan, like Baphomet, is often pictured as a hermaphroditic deity, having a male phallus and the breasts of a woman. The winged staff between Baphomet represents the phallus ... In a book on witchcraft, The Complete Book of Witchcraft and Demonology, we find a picture of Baphomet. The caption states that he is the 'horned god of the witches, sex incarnate'. This picture ... shows Baphomet making the Devil's triad with his right hand." [Dr. Burns, Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated ]

Levi's Guiding Spirit took him to levels of an understanding of witchcraft that few men in history have ever experienced. His illustrations are considered unequalled in the occult world, and he was not only contemporary with Albert Pike, he was very influential on Pike. [Arthur Edward Waite, Some Deeper Aspects of Masonic Symbolism, Kila, Montana, reprinted by Kessinger Freemasonry Publishing Co.] Arthur Waite said of Levi, "... undoubtedly one of the most distinguished of the Continental exponents of occult science which the 19th Century produced, and his writings attain an important position in the estimation of modern schools of higher magic." [Waite, quoted in Levi's book, The History of Magic, in Kessinger's Catalog, attempting to influence you to buy Levi's book]

Albert Pike (33rd Degree Mason, Grand Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction) was, therefore, undoubtedly influenced by Levi in his views on Lucifer. We have already quoted Pike in Morals and Dogma (p. 567, 28th Degree) where he identifies Lucifer as the Light-bearer of Freemasonry, the "Light" to whom all Masons pledge to work toward. Listen to Levi talk about Lucifer. "XXXVIII: What is more absurd and more impious than to attribute the name of Lucifer to the devil, that is, to personified evil. The intellectual Lucifer is the spirit of intelligence and love; it is the paraclete [an advocate]; it is the Holy Spirit, where the physical Lucifer is the great angel of universal magnetism." [Eliphas Levi, The Mysteries of Magic, A Digest of the Writings of Eliphas Levi]

THE MEN AND WOMEN OF CO-MASONRY

Doc Marquis: Most Freemasons are shocked to disbelief when they are told that women can become full-fledged Freemasons, as they have been led to believe that only men can become Masons. However, a dirty little secret is that women can become Co-Masons, joining as full-fledged members, usually along with their husbands. You can see the two symbols for Co-Masonry I have discovered, along with Elizabeth Aldworth and a general picture of women in their Masonic regalia. Co-Masonry has produced some really important leaders in the New World Order movement.

Doc Marquis explains that:

Contrary to popular belief, females can, and have, become members of the Masons. In Albert Mackey's book, Encyclopedia of Masonry, (p. 307) there is a law of Masonry that is known as The Law of Salique . It states that females cannot become Masons; but there were, nevertheless, female members in the past. Some examples are:

a) The honorable Mrs. Aldsworth, around 1735; she received the first and second degree in Lodge #44 at Doneraile, Ireland.

b) Mrs.. Beaton -- she was a resident who received her initiation in Norfolk, England.

c) Madam de Xaintrailles -- initiated into a French Lodge during the end of the last century

d) Elizabeth St. Leger -- initiated in 1710 at the age of 17.

e) Countess Barkoczy of Hungary , was initiated into the Hungarian Lodge of Freemasonry

11. Like many of the male members, are there any examples in which female occultists were also Masons? Yes!

a) Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky , founder of the occult Theosophical Society, was initiated into the Masons during the early part of last century. Once again, Marquis underplays the significance of the facts. Blavatsky was the founder of one of the most deeply Satanic secret society on earth! People who learned Satanism from her included Adolf Hitler and some of his men, and Lenin with some of his Communist leaders. Hitler, particularly, found Blavatsky's teachings to be crucial to his Satanic doctrines, especially her treatise, Secret Doctrine. Hitler's Holocaust occurred in large part because of Blavatsky's teachings! Yet, here we see that she was a member of the Freemasons.

b) Annie Besant -- leader of this deeply Satanic Theosophical Society.

c) Alice A. Bailey -- Succeeding Besant as the leader of the House of Theosophy, Alice and her husband Foster [32 Degree Mason] were members of Co-Masonry. Alice founded the publishing company, Lucifer Trust, for the express purpose of printing the flood of New Age books about to come into being. After learning that too many people were objecting to the bold name of Lucifer, Alice changed the name to Lucis Trust.

12) Assuming, then, that many Masonic members are interested in, or into, the occult, what are the true religious doctrines of the Masons?

"That which we must say to the crowd is: 'We worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition.' To you , Sovereign Grand Instructors General [a 33rd Degree Mason], we say this ... you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th Degrees ... The Masonic religion should be, by all of the initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine ... Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay [God of the Holy Bible] is also God ... the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light, God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil." [Lady Queenborough, Occult Theocracy , p. 220-221, quoting a letter from Albert Pike to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World on July 14, 1889]

Doc Marquis: Freemasonry has counter-attacked this letter, claiming it is bogus. However, they must answer the fact that this worship of Lucifer is also written in Pike's two monumental books, Morals and Dogma, and Magnum Opus. Every thing contained in this letter is also contained in these two books, and we have them at this office.

Finally, history does not record that Freemasonry ever sued Lady Queenborough for libel and slander. Surely, since the letter is so damning, Freemasonry would have gone to all lengths to clear their name, even to the point of suing. Their absolute lack of such action speaks volumes as to the truth of Lady Queenborough's claim that this letter from Pike is genuine.

13) Now wait a minute! Are you saying that the 'light', for which Masonry is looking, is found with Lucifer?

"LUCIFER, the Light-Bearer .. Is it he who bears the Light? Doubt it not!"
[Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma , p. 321.; Emphasis in the original]

14) Hold it! Isn't Lucifer, or Satan, the black god? The evil one?

"The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is Yahweh (GOD) reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but a negation of God. For Initiates, this is not a Person, but a Force ..." [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma , p. 102]

Doc Marquis: Pike's statement in the letter, quoted in paragraph 12, above, defines pure Satanism. They believe God and Lucifer are equal Gods, were competitors in the Garden of Eden, with Adonay God of the Holy Bible getting "temporary" victory. But, occultists believe that, at the Battle of Armageddon, God Lucifer will overthrow God Adonay and claim his rightful throne in Heaven. All Luciferians, including the Illuminati, believe this with their whole heart. God Adonay is the cruel God, as demonstrated by all the times He ordered the Israelites in the Old Testament to slaughter entire populations of people for the only sin of worshipping Lucifer, His adversary; Lucifer, on the other hand, has no such slaughter on His record, and is considered to be the Good God.

Furthermore, calling Lucifer or Satan, a Force instead of a Person, Pike fulfills Biblical prophecy for Antichrist. In Daniel 11:38, God gives this prophecy. "But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces:" Neither Albert Pike, nor any other Luciferian, will ever know they just fulfilled Bible prophecy for the forces of Antichrist. However, as we point out in free01, "Teachings About Jesus Christ", their doctrine of Jesus also fulfills the Biblical definition of Antichrist exactly.

15) Is Satan, then, perceived to be God, the source of Light?

"To conceive of God ... the Kabala imagined Him to be a 'most occult light'."
[Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 740]

16) Since the Masonic religion is a "front" for the religion of the Illuminati, is the Masonic "light" the "light" of the Illuminati ?

"The result is light or illumination. Such are the Illuminati."
[J.D. Buck, 32nd Degree Mason, Mystic Masonry , Introduction, p. xl.]

Doc Marquis: Once again, we see Freemasonry convicted of being Luciferian by the words of their own authors. It is really too bad that over 95% of all Freemasons do not take the time to read the very books we, and other Christian authors, have read. Such doubting Masons have not done one iota as much research as we, and yet, they choose to believe their lying Superiors.

17) Isn't the Masonic candidate told the full truth of Freemasonry's religion and god when they enter the Blue Lodge, where they receive their first three degrees?

"The Blue Degrees (the Blue Lodge degrees) are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally mislead by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understand them ."
[Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 819; Emphasis added]

Doc Marquis: All Freemasons need to read and re-read this very illuminating paragraph. Pike has just boldly told his 30th Degree Adepts that they are to be free to intentionally mislead lower ranking Masons. Such poor slobs are to imagine that they understand the symbols of Freemasonry! Such bold-face lying comes from the Evil One, Satan, not the Holy God of the Bible!

18) Who, then, is allowed to know the truth, and what is really going on in Masonry?

"We must create a super rite, which will remain unknown, to which we will call those Masons of high degree (30th and above), whom we shall select. With regards to our brothers in Masonry, these men must be pledged to the strictest secrecy. Through this supreme rite, we will govern all Freemasonry which will become the one international center, the more powerful, because its direction will be unknown." [Letter, dated 1/22/1870, from Pike to the Head of the Order of the Illuminati, Guiseppe Mazzini]

19) Are you saying that the "outside" of Masonry is only for "show", and that there is something else behind it?

"It is this which has served as the basis for our organisation of SECRET MASONRY WHICH IS NOT KNOWN TO, AND AIMS WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SO MUCH AS SUSPECTED BY, THESE ... CATTLE, ATTRACTED BY US INTO THE SHOW ARMY OF MASONIC LODGES IN ORDER TO THROW DUST IN THE EYES OF THEIR FELLOWS ... masonry blindly serves as a screen for us and our objects, but the plan of action of our force, even its very abiding-place,remains for the whole people an unknown mystery."
[Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, capitalization in the original, but color emphasis added]

Doc Marquis: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is the most blatantly Satanic document in world history! They systematically list all the steps that are necessary to establish their New World Order and its superman, Antichrist. For the Protocols to boldly state that Freemasonry is a blind screen for the Illuminati, is damning. Once again, we see their belief, stated by Pike above, that a super rite that is totally unknown, will promote the interests of the Illuminati powerfully. Freemasonry itself is being used as a "blind screen" by the Illuminati, to bring in the New World Order.

20) Then if Masonry is only "Show" on the outside, what are they trying to "screen" on the inside?

"SECRET SOCIETIES -- Meantime, however, until we come into our kingdom, we shall act in the contrary way: we shall create and multiply free Masonic lodges in all the countries of the world, absorb into them all who may become or who are prominent in public activity, for these lodges we shall find our principal intelligence office and means of influence. All these lodges ... will be composed of our learned elders. The lodges will have their representatives who will serve to screen the above-mentioned administration of MASONRY and from whom will issue the watchword and program ... The most secret plots will be known to us and will fall under our guiding hands on the very day of their conception."
[Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion , capitalization in the original]

21) Hasn't anyone ever tried to warn people about the Masonic/Illuminati connection and their activities before?

Doc Marquis: Yes! Many people have tried, but few people were ever listening. All of the following warnings came from individuals who were high ranking political figures, scholars, writers, and religious leaders. These people were not "sensationalists", nor were they "doomsday" people. They were all highly qualified, and praised, individuals of their fields.

a) President George Washington , 1785, in a letter written to the Reverend G. W. Snyder: "Reverend, Sir, it was not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati --the principles of Jacobism -- had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am." Shortly before he died, President Washington was well aware that the Adam Weishaupt radical brand of Freemasonry, the Illuminati, had spread its poison to America.

b) In 1797, Professor John Robison warned Masonic leaders that the Illuminati had infiltrated their lodges.

c) Reverend Jebediah Morse (father of Samuel Morse) preached in 1798: "The Order (of the Illuminati) has its branches established and its emissaries at work in America."

d) Dr. David Pappen, President of Harvard University , on July 19, 1798, issued a warning to the graduating class and lectured them on the influence the Illuminati was having on American politics and religion.

e) John Quincy Adams , in 1800, opposed Thomas Jefferson for the presidency and wrote three letters to Colonel William L. Stone, exposing how Jefferson was using Masonic Lodges for subversive Illuminati purposes. The information contained in those letters is credited with winning Adams the election. The letters were held in the Rittenburg Square Library, in Philadelphia.

f) Dr. Joseph Willard, President of Harvard University , said on July 4, 1812, to the graduating class: "There is sufficient evidence that a number of societies of the Illuminati have been established in this land. They are doubtless striving to secretly undermine all our ancient institutions, civil and sacred. These societies are clearly leagued with those of the same order in Europe ... We live in an alarming period. The Enemies of all order are seeking our ruin. Should infidelity generally prevail, our independence would fall, of course. Our republican government would be annihilated."

Doc Marquis: We live in the final time Harvard President Willard feared; the enemies of our freedoms are perilously close to achieving their plan. When qualified people like this could see the conspiracy to destroy our country and our freedoms, why do so many Americans now disbelieve?

g) The Prime Minister of England, Sir Winston Churchill, said in 1920, three years after the Bolsheviks seized Russia: "From the days of Spartacus/Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky ... this world-wide conspiracy ... has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definitely recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution . It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now, at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

Doc Marquis: In "America Determines The Flow of History", we spend a lot of time demonstrating that the Illuminati created Communism; further, we show the theory under which the Plan for the New World Order is operating that would necessitate the deliberate creation of Communism. However, we are shocked to hear this quote, for Winston Churchill told the world that Illuminati created Communism all the way back in 1920!

h) Famous historian, English author Nesta Webster, in her book, World Revolution, published in the 1920's, [p. 78], said: "Whilst these events (early stages of the French Revolution of 1789) were taking place in Europe, the New World (America) had been Illuminized. As early as 1786, a Lodge of the Order (Illuminati) had been started in Virginia, and this was followed by fourteen others in different cities."

i) The Report of the California Senate Investigating Committee on Education , stated in 1953: "So-called modern Communism is apparently the same hypocritical and deadly world conspiracy to destroy civilization that was founded by the Secret Order of the Illuminati in Bavaria on May 1, 1776, and that raised its hoary head in our colonies here at the critical period before the adoption of our Federal Constitution."

Doc Marquis: This statement is unbelievable, not for its content, but for its source -- the California Senate on Education! I am constantly amazed at how the knowledge of one generation can be buried by succeeding generations. Truly, every generation must earn its own freedoms.

22) When did the Masons become a part of the Illuminati?

"On July 16, 1782, at the infamous Congress of Wilhelmsbad, near the city of Hanau in Hesse-Cassel. It was initiated by Ferdinand, Duke of Brunswick, Grand Master of the Order of Strict Observance."
[Albert Mackey, Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, p. 1006.

23) What happened at this meeting?

Doc Marquis: Dr. Adam Weishaupt, and his right-hand man, Baron Adolf Von Knigge (both of whom were Masons at the time), attended the Congress of Wilhelmsbad; they had met with the representatives from the 23 Supreme Councils of the Masonic world and convinced them, after 30 sessions, to follow the Illuminati's 7-part Plan to the Creation of a New World Order.

24) How did they do this?

Doc Marquis: At the end of the 30 council meetings, the representatives of the Masonic world signed a blood contract, vowing that they would follow the Illuminati's 7-part Plan to the Creation of a New World Order.

25) Don't Any of the Masons know about these facts?

Doc Marquis: For the most part, no. About 95% of all Masons haven't a clue as to what is really going on in their own lodges. Only 30th Degree Masons and above may be allowed to know these secrets. Of those Masons who are 30th and above, only 5% of them know the full truth, because they have already been initiated into the Illuminati. Most of the time, an Illuminist will enter into the ranks of Masonry simply to continue the infiltration process. Eventually, this Illuminist will become one of the high ranking Masons and will, therefore, be able to better control the Masonic world because of his degree and power.

Doc Marquis: If you are part of the 95+ of all Freemasons who are doomed to remain in the dark as to the true nature of your Lodge, you now have been exposed to the truth. If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, but have been very lukewarm in your spiritual walk with Him, you need to immediately ask Him for forgiveness and for renewal. He will instantly forgive you, and fill your heart with the joy of the Holy Spirit. Then, you need to begin a daily walk of prayer and personal Bible Study.

If you have never accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, but have come to realize His reality and the approaching End of the Age, and want to accept His FREE Gift of Eternal Life, you can also do so now, in the privacy of your home. Once you accept Him as Savior, you are spiritually Born Again, and are as assured of Heaven as if you were already there. Then, you can rest assured that the Kingdom of Antichrist will not touch you spiritually.

Doc Marquis

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hunkahunka

18-11-2009, 09:28 AM

Following is a video on the history of the Secret Policeman's Ball.
Note how this video opens with the agents/celebrities dead-panning
as though being 'sworn to secrecy' and insisting on having "no memory
of the events", etc. Also obvious is how highly politically-connected
this is ( royalty, Thatcher etc.) No doubt that some Monty
Python humor consists of intelligence community 'inside jokes'.
(warning: portions of this video consist of mutually butt-kissing/mutually aggrandizing
insider interviews)

The video offers some background on what is most
certainly intelligence community revelry, ( the ball is for The Secret Police. Basically a secret party for the intelligence community dating back who knows how many decades.
The public haven't a clue what is being shoved right in their faces) plus a great deal of information in general on the industry. (the reality of the whole
'anti-establishment entertainer' ruse is that , of course, a great
many of them actually work in intelligence. In the same way that
many if not most of 'dissident fringe' groups were either created
or heavily infiltrated by establishment intelligence agencies )

video:

Remember the Secret Policeman's Ball? - Part 01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N6qO3sIs-8

quote:
Remember the Secret Policeman's Ball?
Narrated by Dawn French, this feature-length documentary on the Policeman's Balls (focusing on the first two waves, 1976 - 1989) includes interviews with many of the comedians and musicians who took part: John Cleese, Stephen Fry, Michael Palin, Sting, Lenny Henry and many more.
Part II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQXS_i4cU90&feature=related
Part III
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4RhWrZurh0&feature=related
etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FB1ZCvfasE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHh-3aXzK5E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xb3vHYQ5Hc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz5gIGtIdSU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLLSjssShTw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akKDa1hYjck&feature=related

soulja

19-11-2009, 01:38 AM

The last few days i've spend my spare time looking into witchcraft, neo paganism, and their connection to the illuminati. Not so much to those who run or are high up in the cult like the rothschilds, rockefellers, habsburgs, etc.. but those who fill the ranks below them, or to be more accurate important positions in the cult. We're still talking a visible level in that they are more or less known public figures.

What i've basicly done is look into the more influental witches within paganism and the wicca circles. Those who hold high positions or run the many organisations which organize the whole scene, and those who sell witchcraft to the public, be it through books or other means. There are several recurring themes with most of them, more on some of them at a later point though. One thing that should stand out immediatly is how wicca and paganism is organized and run, as it mirrors excately the elite's approach when it comes to controlling any other area of life, like education, banking, and the rest. Through a tight network of interlocking organisations which are run by the elite of their fields. ''suprisingly'' there is not the slightest sign of demonisation or supression of witchcraft and paganism, in fact quite the contrary is the case. Many of those witches i will post about wrote numerous books, well selling and well advertised books, they hold educational speeches at elite universities, some are or were journalists, there are also connections to masonry, the oto, rosicrucians, and so on.

Those who have read Springmeier, Todd, and especially Svali's accounts on how the illuminati, as a mind control cult, are structured, the different positions/roles individuals have in the cult, the importance of family/bloodline, and the important and respected role of witchcraft within the illuminati will recognize many obvious connections. For those who dismiss mind control, or at least as organized and on the scale as exposed throughout the thread, should at least be able to see how witchcraft/paganism does not differ in any way when it comes to elite control and the use of it to further their agenda. There will be endless examples of how the mind set, beliefs and practices of witchcraft and paganism is heavely pushed on the public. It ties in with the destruction of the old religions (which have run their course) and the introduction of the new religion. It's already well underway and it's effect, or let's say success can be seen pretty much everywhere. even on forums such as this.

anyway, let's get started.

Witches of the Illuminati created and control the Wicca/Pagan network

Kirk White
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My story is long with many branches and divisions. But the short of it is, over my 34 years of active spiritual pursuit, I have studied, taught, read and written a great deal. I have lectured all over the country on Paganism, healing, counseling and Pagan ministry. I have founded two Pagan churches, one non-denominational church, one medical school, one Pagan seminary and several groves, covens, circles and magickal study groups. I have been a practicing Witch for over 30 years. I am trained in several eclectic Wiccan and family traditions of Witchcraft. I'm a past Director of the University of Vermont's Parapsychology Program, and Founder/ Executive Director of two Pagan religious organizations: the Wiccan Church of Vermont and the Church of the Sacred Earth: a Union of Pagan Congregations. I am Emeritus (past-president) of Covenant of the Goddess (www.cog.org), North America's oldest and largest association of Witches and Wiccans.

As a teacher, I have taught classes on a wide range of topics in Wicca and Witchcraft for over 25 years. In addition to my teaching activities, I founded Cherry Hill Seminary (www.cherryhillseminary.org), a professional Pagan ministry program with faculty and students worldwide and am co-founder of the National Association of Pagan Schools and Seminaries. In 2006, Wildhunt.org named me one of the "25 most influential modern living Pagans today".

I live on a 50 acre Pagan spiritual retreat called Laurelin located in the beautiful Green Mountains of Vermont with my wife, Amy, daughter, Killian, several assorted pets and farm animals. Now after all of my experiences, I would like to offer my services to you. The journey has only begun.

Education:

Doctor of Divinity (Hon). Ecclesia Gnostica Apostolica Catholica. Barbados, West Indies. 1994

Master of Sacred Science. International College of Esoteric Studies, Barbados, West Indies. 1992

Bachelor of Arts. University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont. Double Major: Psychology and Comparative Religion. 1984

Druid. Order of Bards, Ovates & Druids, Lewes, England. 1997

Experience:

Church of the Sacred Earth: a Union of Pagan Congregations.
Founder & Executive Director. 1987 - Present
Minister. Ordained: 1987
Lay Minister. 1981 - 1987

Minister. Communitarian Church. Bethel, Vermont. Ordained: 1997

Minister. Wiccan Church of Vermont, Bethel, Vermont.

Old Templar Church. Yonkers, NY and Burlington, VT
Deacon - Ordained: 1998
Priest - Ordained: 1999
Bishop - Consecrated: 2001

Co-Founder & Co-Operator. Laurelin Community Retreat, Bethel, VT. 1993 - Present

Founder and President. Cherry Hill Seminary, Bethel, Vermont. 1997 - 2008

Director/ Treasurer. Strega Nona Society. 2003 - Present

Chief Druid. Tuatha de Bo Druidic group. Bethel, Vermont. 1997 - Present

Wiccan High Priest. Alban Dubh Tradition. Various locations around Vermont. 1981 - Present

Co-National First Officer (Co-President). Covenant of the Goddess. 2006 - 2007

Director/ National Public Information Officer. Covenant of the Goddess. 2001 - 2003

Pagan Teacher/ Lecturer/ Mentor. Various workshops and groups nationally since 1981

Consultant. Pagan Education Issues. 2007 – Present

Co-Founder. National Association of Pagan Schools and Seminaries. 2007

Mind Education:

Master of Arts. Johnson State College, Johnson, Vermont. Major: Mental Health and Addictions Counseling. 1996

Bachelor of Arts. University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont. Double Major: Psychology and Comparative Religion. 1984

Certified Psychosynthesis Counselor. The Synthesis Center, Amherst, Massachusetts. 1995

Certified Rational Recovery Specialist. Rational Recovery Systems, Lotus, California. 1995

Experience:
Psychotherapist. Private practice. Barre, Burlington, and Bethel, Vermont. 1996 - Present

Mental Health and Addictions Counselor. Johnson State College Counseling Center, Johnson, Vermont. 1995 - 1996

Body Education:
Master of Traditional Oriental Medicine. Green Mountain Institute College of Oriental of Medicine, White River Junction, Vermont. 1995

Diplomate of Homoeopathy. The British Institute of Homoeopathy, Middlesex, England. 1995

Clinical Acupuncture Analgesiology Certificate. Vermont College of Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine, White River Junction, VT. 1994

Certification in Holistic Aromatherapy. New England Center for Aromatherapy, Brighton, Massachusetts. 1994

Experience:
Oriental Medical Physician. Licensed and nationally certified. Private practice in Bethel, Barre & Burlington, Vermont. 1993 - Present

Chairman of the Board & President. Green Mountain Institute College of Oriental Medicine, White River Junction, Vermont. 1995 - 2002

Instructor/ Professor in Oriental Medicine. Green Mountain Institute College of Oriental Medicine, White River Junction, Vermont. 1995 - 2004

Director/Treasurer, Vermont Association for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine. 2002 - 2004

Reiki Level III Practitioner. 1998

Esoteric/ Fraternal:
Director, Parapsychology Program. University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont. 1982 - 1983

Chairman, UVM Society for Psychical Research. University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont. 1982 - 1983

Free & Accepted Masons, MM, RAM, R&SM, KT, AASR, AAONMS
Worshipful Master 1997 - 1998
Excellent High Priest, RAM, 2001 - Present.
Past Grand Sentinel, Grand Chapter of VT, RAM, 2000 - 2001
Past District Deputy Grand High Priest, Grand Chapter of VT, RAM, 2001 -

2002

Illustrious Grand Marshall, Grand Council of VT, R&SM, 2008 – 2009
Excellent Grand Royal Arch Captain, Grand Chapter of VT, RAM, 2008 – 2009

Minerval degree (2nd). Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria. 2008

1st degree Martinist, Order Martinist et Synarchie, Yonkers, NY. 1998

Knight Templar, Order of the Temple of the Grand Priory of Portugal in the USA. Yonkers, NY. 1998

Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, New Port Richey, FL. Portal Grade. 2006

Member, Ancient Mystic Order of the Rosae Crucis (AMORC). 1989 - 1990

Druid Companion, Ancient Order of Druids in America (AODA). 2005 - Present

Personal Interests:

Green Belt w/ blue stripe, R & R TaeKwonDo Dojang, Randolph, Vermont. 1991

Chairperson, Bethel Town Democratic Committee. 2001 - 2007

Member, Windsor County Democratic Committee. 2001 - 2007

President, Bethel Business Association. 2006 - 2008

President, Bethel Area Rotary Club. 2008 - 2009

Co-Chair, Bethel Revitalization Initiative. 2005 - Present

Kirk White is a good starting point as he shows you what kind of background, skills, education, affiliations, these witches at the top of the wicca/pagan network have. And how many organizations, covens, schools, programs, are often created by only a single person, officially at least. This is one of the recurring themes with many of the following witches. Often one witch creates multiple organisations and covens which are ultimately all part of the same gigantic, interconnecting, network. The network in turn (a visible arm of the illuminati cult network) connects all witches of influence together, and thus allows for a much more organized/coordinated and effective pursuit of ''it's'' goals.

Another thing to note is how organisations/covens like the CoG are structured and what terms are used.
http://www.cog.org/councils.html

Elders, councils, high Priest/ess You even have the anarchic level of the illuminati mirrored in Witchcraft organisations like the CoG.

d. Every person associated with this Covenant shall respect the autonomy and sovereignty of each Coven, as well as the right of each Coven to oversee the spiritual, mental, emotional, and physical development of its members in its own way, and shall exercise reasonable caution against infringing upon that right in any way.

It is interesting to note how the CoG is such a microcosm of the illuminati described by defectors such as Todd, Svali, and some other MK/cult victims. The CoG, a world wide network, which in turn is connected to many other covens and organisations that compose the wicca/pagan network, even allows children to become members, and, just as the illuminati, advices it's members to secrecy.
http://www.cog.org/nextgen/welcome.html

Anyway, another part of the network is the witches anti defamations league.
http://www.cog.org/nextgen/welcome.html

Alone the name should make it pretty obvious that we're dealing here with an elite concept/organisation.

A quick reminder how svali described the hierarchical level of the illuminati.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/svali_speaks.htm#1

It's also interesting to take note of some of the jobs, svali says, exist within the illuminati. (same link) i'll only mention those which will be interesting in light of the information about many witches and pagans to come.

Media personnel
These are very bright, verbal people. They will be sent to journalism school and will work for local or regional media upon graduation. These individuals have many contacts within the organization as well as the outside world. They write books and articles sympathetic to the Illuministic viewpoint without ever revealing their true affiliation.

Chanters: sing, sway, or lead choruses of sacred songs on high holy occasions.

High Priest/Priestess: The person who holds this job is changed every few years in most groups, although it may be held longer in smaller, more rural groups. These people administrate and lead their local cult group as well as coordinate jobs within the cult, give assignments, and pass on meeting dates given from the local hierarchy or leadership council. They also will activate the local group's telephone tree, evaluate their local group members for job performance, and lead in all spiritual activities. They report to the local or regional leadership council over their group.

Teachers: These people teach group classes to children to indoctrinate cult philosophy, languages, and specialized areas of endeavor.

Behavioral scientists:These individuals often oversee the training in local and regional groups. These students of human behavior are intensely involved in data collection and human experimentation in the name of the pursuit of knowledge of human behavior in the scientific realm. Their main interest centers around implementing programming and cult control in the most efficient and lasting manner.

Ok, now onto the next witch.

Rev. Selena Fox

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is senior minister and high priestess of Circle Sanctuary, a Wiccan church, Pagan resource center, and Nature preserve with a worldwide Ecospirituality ministry that includes networking, publishing, education, environmental preservation, counseling, events sponsoring, and other work.

For more than thirty years, Rev. Fox has served as one of the elders, religious freedom activists, and public media spokespersons for the Wiccan religion and related forms of contemporary Paganism and Nature religion, nationwide and internationally.

In addition to her work as a minister, Rev. Selena Fox is a certified clinical psychotherapist. She graduated cum laude with a BS in Psychology from the College of William and Mary in Virginia, and received a MS in Counseling Psychology from the University of Wisconsin - Madison.
She has worked as a staff psychotherapist at Wellspring Clinic and at Parkway Hospital in Madison. Her professional affiliations over the years have included the American Psychological Association, American Counseling Association, American Academy of Religion, and other organizations.

Rev. Fox's professional life also includes being a guest speaker at conferences, colleges and universities, churches, retreat centers, high schools, civic groups, wellness centers, book stores, festivals, and other venues, and she has traveled internationally as part of her speaking work. Her writings and photographs on spirituality, psychology, herbology, folkways, genealogy, and other topics have been published in a variety of books and periodicals as well as on the internet. She is the founding editor of CIRCLE Magazine and the Circle Guide to Pagan Groups. She is author of the Goddess Communion handbook and the research study: When Goddess is God.

Another witch trained in psychology, and she wont be the last.

Born in 1949 in Arlington, Virginia, Selena Fox is an American citizen with ethnic roots extending to Scotland, Wales, England, Ireland, Germany, Switzerland, France, Sweden, Norway, and the Cherokee (Tsalagi) tribe of Native America. She is descended from some of America's earliest European settlers, including Quakers, Puritans, Sabbatarians, Baptists, Lutherans, Roman Catholics, and others who settled America in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries for religious freedom reasons. Religious study, spiritual practice, and service have been central throughout her life.

Can we say bloodline? (btw Springmeier wrote about the illuminati lines interbreeding with the natives for their occult powers. Selena, a well educated, well connected, head of many organisations, has this native blood, amongst other genetics. The symbolism supports her (imo already obvious) being bloodline.

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Rev. Fox is a regular participant in the Madison Interfaith Dialogue group that meets monthly at the St. Benedict Center. In addition, she is presently serving as President of the Greater Madison Interreligious Association which emerged out of the Faith and Order Commission of the Wisconsin Council of Churches. Rev. Fox has been a guest minister and speaker on interfaith Ecospirituality topics in various churches across North America, including Unitarian Universalist, Roman Catholic, United Church of Christ, Methodist, and others.

Representing the Wiccan religion and contemporay Paganism, Rev. Selena Fox has been a speaker and delegate at a variety of international interreligious conferences, including the World Council of Churches Women's International Interfaith Dialogue Conference (1988, Toronto, Ontario, Canada); International Environmental Ethics Conference (1990, Iowa); Human Unity Conference (Chicago, 1980); Nature Religion Today (1996, Ambleside, England); Interfaith Women's Healing Conference (1992, Newfoundland, Canada); Re-enchantment (1997, Winchester, England); and Parliament of the World's Religions (1993, Chicago; 1999, Cape Town, South Africa; 2004, Barcelona, Spain). Rev. Fox is a member of the 250 member Assembly of Religious and Spiritual Leaders associated with the Parliament of the World's Religions

For many years, Rev. Fox has served as a consultant on Wiccan religious accommodation issues to chaplains in the US military, corrections, colleges and universities, hospices, mental health clinics, and hospitals. She is among the religious leaders appointed to and presently serving on the Religious Practices Advisory Committe to the Wisconsin Department of Corrections. She also has served as an advisor on Wiccan, Pagan, and Nature religions religious accommodation issues to the Pentagon and US Department of Justice.

Yes i can really see now what pretty much all pagans and wiccans on here go on and on about. you know, how the government, the church, the education system and the media work against witches and pagans. deny them a platform, ridicule their beliefs and practises, and not to forget their relentless attempts of converting people to christianity. :rolleyes:

http://www.mhtc.net/~selena/venues.htm

Selena has been a Wiccan priestess and Pagan artist since 1973. Selena's approach to spirituality emphasizes Nature communion and blends together ancient and contemporary European and American folkways, Wiccan traditions, multicultural shamanism, and transpersonal psychology. She is one of America's best known Pagan elders, networkers, and civil liberties activists. She is founder of Circle Network, Lady Liberty League, and the Pagan Academic Network. Over the years, Selena and her work have been covered by various regional, national, and global media, including Time Magazine, Wall Street Journal, CNN's Larry King Live, NBC's Today Show, and various radio networks (NPR, BBC, ABC, CBC). She has spoken at a variety of international and multicultural conferences.

Selena has traveled widely in connection with her work. She has presented workshops and facilitated community ritual experiences in many types of settings, including colleges and universities, festivals, churches, conferences, and healing centers. She lives with her husband, Dr. Dennis Carpenter, and nine cats... at Circle Sanctuary Nature Preserve. Her avocational pursuits include archaeology, genealogy, herbology, and ornithology.

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Pagan Activist of the Year (2007)
Selena at Pagan Religious Rights Rally on July 4th, 2007 in Washington, DC in Lafayatte Park, in front of the White House.
http://www.mhtc.net/~selena/awards.htm

Gerina Dunwich
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I AM A WITCH
by Gerina Dunwich

I am a Witch
With rhymes and reasons.
I am a changeling like the seasons.
My mother is the Moon,
My father is the Sun,
With Goddess Earth am I as one.

I am a Witch, a Pagan child.
Mother Nature's spirit wild
Grows within me, Flows within me,
Meandering like a spellbound stream,
Enchanting my every waking dream.

I breathe the air of liberation,
I tend the fire of transformation,
I drink the water of creation,
Earth-magick is my conjuration.

I am a Witch of shadow and light,
Of Avalon mists and ravens' flight.
I am a Witch, with pride say I,
For a Witch's soul does never die.

Now we had already two (more will follow) witches skilled in psychology, Gerina will introduce another recurring theme with these illuminati (imo) witches, a writer and/or an education in journalism.

Gerina Dunwich is a priestess of the Old Religion, a professional astrologer, and the author of over two-dozen books on witchcraft and various occult subjects. She was born in Illinois on the 27th of December, 1959. In the summer of 1969 she was formally introduced to witchcraft and spiritualism by an older family member, and has since devoted her personal life and writing career to educating the public about the ways of the Craft.

Can we read between the lines? introduced by a family member and since then devoted her life to witchcraft. means as much as what Svali said when she pointed out that people are born into the illuminati. the theme of a heredarity witch, or like in this case introduced to witchcraft by a family member (often the mother) sis another thing that many witches have in common, at least those of influence i've looked into.

It is her hope to dispel the myths and misconceptions that many people have about Witches and Pagans. She is also involved in paranormal research and possesses a passion for investigating ghosts and hauntings.

As a teenager, Gerina Dunwich (using a different nom de plume at the time) began writing poetry, short stories, magazine articles, and stage plays complete with musical scores. Her first newspaper article was published in October 1976. It was an interview with singer/songwriter Jim Peterik from the local Chicago band, the Ides of March (and later, Survivor). By the spring of 1980 Dunwich was publishing a small press literary journal called Golden Isis, a one-woman operation that specialized in Goddess-inspired poetry and off-beat fiction. Its international circulation grew to nearly 3600 and inspired Dunwich to write poetry on a daily basis. She began putting together a collection of magickal verse that she would self-publish a decade later under the title, Circle of Shadows.

After visiting Salem, Massachusetts, in April of 1984, Gerina relocated to the North Shore of Boston, residing first in Beverly, and then in Ipswich. In the winter of 1986, she purchased the historic Moses Day Homestead - a stately 17th century Colonial house in Haverhill that had been built around the time of the infamous Salem witchcraft trials. The house, which had been featured in a local television documentary about haunted houses in the Boston area, was a hotbed of paranormal activity. Three years later, Gerina succeeded in landing a book contract with a major publishing house. (Appropriately, the contract was dated October 31st.) The following year saw the publication of her first book, Candlelight Spells, and the start of her successful career as a prolific book author.

In December 1993 she moved to Fort Covington, New York, where she opened a small shop on High Street called "The Country Witch" (later renamed "The Calico Cat Whatnot Shop"), which sold antiques, curios and various occult supplies.

Just to point this out, mauri, another recovering Mk/ritual abuse victim writes the following on her site:

Cults need money to grow and prosper. Crime seems to be the natural choice toward that end, since crime not only generates needed cash it also undermines the social systems the cults are attempting to replace. The stolen antiquities trade is a favorite practiced by devotees to the New World Order.

My parents would give me gifts that reflected their cult interest in the past. The necklace below was given to me with a story. I was told the archeologist smuggled the beads, out of an archeological dig in Iraq, in a glass bottle. The necklace was restrung according to ancient styles

more on the stolen antiquities trade on her site:
http://www.reflectionsinthenight.com/organized_crime.htm

back to Dunwich:
She officially established Coven Mandragora on Candlemas 1996 and served as its High Priestess. That same year she established the Wheel of Wisdom School (an educational organization offering correspondence courses on the sabbats) and the Pagan Poets Society (a literary circle for writers and publishers of Pagan poetry), along with a local networking organization known as North Country Wicca. In February of 1998 she received a ministerial license from the Universal Life Church. Ironically, the first Pagan handfasting she performed as a legally ordained minister was for the younger brother of the cousin who had introduced her to witchcraft nearly thirty years earlier.

A respected spokesperson for the Wiccan/Pagan community, Gerina has been a guest on numerous radio talk shows throughout the United States and Canada, including Rob McConnell's X-Zone Radio Show. She has lectured and presented workshops at festivals and gatherings across the country, such as the CraftWise Pagan Gathering (Waterbury, Connecticut), the Real Witches' Ball (Columbus, Ohio), and Panpipes' Pagan Day Festival (West Hollywood, California). A member of the Fellowship of Isis, Circle, the Pagan Poets Society, the Authors Guild, and the Authors League of America, Dunwich's biography is listed in a number of reference works, such as Who's Who in the East; Personalities of America; The Wicca Source Book; The Modern Witch's Complete Sourcebook; and Crossroads: Who's Who of the Magickal Community (published by The Witching Well Education and Research Center, 1988). She is also mentioned in Anne Carson's Goddesses and Wise Women (The Crossing Press, 1992) and other works.

In addition to her own book writing, Gerina Dunwich has contributed to:

* Circles, Groves and Sanctuaries by Dan & Pauline Campanelli (Llewellyn, 1992)
* The Cat Book of Lists by Stephen J. Spignesi (New Page Books, 2001)
* A Witch Like Me by Sirona Knight (New Page Books, 2001)
* The Witch Book by Raymond Buckland (Visible Ink Press, 2002)
* Haunted Northern New York by Cheri Revai (North Country Books, 2002)
* The Action Hero's Handbook by Joe and David Borgenicht (Quirk Books, 2002)
* American Witch by Anthony Paige (Citadel Press, 2003)
* Encyclopedia of Haunted Places by Jeff Belanger (New Page Books, 2005)
* Llewellyn's Witches' Datebook (various years)
* Llewellyn's Witches' Calendar (various years)
* Llewellyn's Magical Almanac (various years)
* Llewellyn's Herbal Almanac (2001)

Now Dunwich her mentor was one Sybil Leek, another well connected and influental witch.

http://www.hauntedamericatours.com/ghosthunting/Sybil_Leek.jpg

Sybil Leek was born on 22nd February 1917 in the village of Normacot in Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England to a well-to-do family. Sybil claimed to have a long family history of witchcraft, which she traced back to the 16th century and to her ancestor Molly Leigh, who had been accused during the witch hunt.
Sybil’s immediate family all played a part encouraging her to follow the craft. She learned much from her father about nature, animals and the power of herbs, and even discussed eastern philosophies. Her grandmother taught her astrology, by decorating biscuits and cakes with astrological symbols and asking Sybil to put them in order and describe what each symbol meant.

She only had 3 years of orthodox schooling. Her family continued to school her at home, but her grandmother focused on her esoteric training, such as the knowledge of herbs, astrology, the psychic arts, and divination much more than she did mathematics and English.

Sybil’s family played host to some very scholarly characters. H. G. Wells, Sybil and her father used to take long walks discussing all things metaphysical. Another famous friend of the family was Aleister Crowley. Aleister was a regular visitor to the family home, and used to read his poetry to Sybil. She first met him when she was 9. It was Aleister who encouraged Sybil to begin writing herself. Sybil became a keen poet, and she published her first book, a slim volume of poetry, while she was still a teenager

Are we really supposed to believe that Crowley REGULARY visited Sybill just to read his poetry to her? More likely, Crowley was her (or one of her) trainer(s), maybe even a programer. What's clear is that Sybil has been trained from an young age to become a illuminati witch. By her family, and i strongly suggest by, or rather in parts, Crowley. This tells me that she must be from a line of strong occult power/tradition within the illuminati.

Marriage and life in France

Sybil soon met a prominent concert pianist who became her music teacher, and she married him when she was 16. He died two years later, and stricken with grief Sybil returned home to her grandmother’s house.
Shortly after, she was sent by her grandmother to a French coven based at Gorge du Loup (Wolf Canyon) in the hills above Nice, to replace a distant relative of hers as High Priestess.

Again the theme of generational witchcraft comes up. Sybil, now around 18, is sent by the oldest female in the family, to a Coven prolly to finish the last steps/initiations of her training to be a High Priestess.

Which considering her young age, i would class as basic illuminati witchcraft training.

Nine Covens council.

When she was 20, Sybil returned to her family, who had now moved to the edge of the New Forest. She then opened three antique shops; one in Ringwood, one in Somerset, and one in the heart of the New Forest in Burley. She then moved to Burley herself. Behind The shop Lawfords of burley. She refused to sell anything to do with witchcraft in the antique shops, much to the disappointment of visitors.

Another witch who owns antique shops, given what we already learned about her, and the conclusions one could draw from that, it adds credit to mauris claim that quite a few illuminists own antique shops. But what's more important for me to point out is yet another theme that will often come up with these illuminati witches, a place near a forest, or forest or wood in the name of the places they call their home.

While in New York, she was contacted by Hans Holzer, a parapsychologist, who invited her to join him investigating hauntings and psychic phenomena. They went on to do numerous TV and radio programmes on the subject.
She then moved to Los Angeles where she met Dr. Israel Regardie, an authority on Kabbalah and ritual magic, and they spent much of their time together discussing and practicing the Golden Dawn rituals together.

Crowley read to her his poems when she was a child, and now Israel Regardie practises with her the Golden Dawn rituals. Sybil must have been from an important line of witches within the Illuminati to earn such priviledges, and destined to take her mother or grandmothers place within the Illuminati hierachy once their time is over.

Radio presenter Annie England was one of the first people to interview her in 1964. They became lifelong friends. Annie says;
"Everyone wanted her on their show. She rubbed shoulders with all the celebrities of her time… Gypsy Rose Lee... Neil Diamond."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/south/series1/sybil-leek.shtml

First of all, whenever you read this ''got contacted by'' ''met by chance'' encounters between two famous people, you can be pretty sure that they already knew each other through or got at this point introduced through the occult network. There can be dozens of reason for this, such as receiving training (crowley, regardie) or to work together on a project needed to advance the cult's agenda, or a marriage to cross two royal/occult lines, or to create new front organisations for the cult, and so on and so forth.

Secondly, it is worth noting that witches and other members of the illuminati will often have many contacts to the music scene, the art scene, the film bizness, alone due the fact that many of the people within the scenes are part of the same network as them. I'm sure many people who have read my post on asia argento thought i'm nuts branding her a witch. just that it's not, it makes perfect sense. No matter whether you a movie star, or you work for the cia, or you write music, if you're part of the cult then there will be another side to you, a function to fullfill within the cult. And it sure ain't to be a movie star at the night time rituals, or to write a rock song while participating.

Let's finish this post how it started, with a male witch.

Aidan Anthony Kelly

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Is an American academic, poet and prolific writer. He is a co-founder of the New Reformed Orthodox Order of the Golden Dawn (NROOGD) an eclectic form of Gardnerian Witchcraft founded in San Francisco in 1969, and in the mid 1970’s helped to found the Covenant of the Goddess.

He is perhaps best known as the author of a controversial book: Crafting the Art of Magic - Book 1 - A History of Modern Witchcraft, 1939-1964 published in 1991, in which he reveals his early studies of Gerald Gardner and the origins of Wicca as a new and contemporary religion.

Aidan Kelly, the oldest of four children, was born on the 22nd October 1940 in Colon, Panama, where his mother Marie Cecile Kelly was married to his father John Patrick Kelly, a Lieutenant in the US military. At the time of his birth, his father was on his first assignment in Panama after graduating from West Point (the famous US Military Academy established in 1802). Unknown to Kelly until the 1990’s, throughout the second World War and for the rest of his service, his father had worked as a high-ranking covert operative in military intelligence.

Now all those who have followed this thread, or have made their own research into MK, will probably have noticed the staggering number of famous actors, musicians, artists, etc, who's fathers held high positions in the military. And now we can add a famous occultist/witch to that list (more to come btw)

And again, this makes perfect sense cos they all are part of the cult. And, as Svali keeps stressing, the military plays an important role within the cult, even down to the local council levels.

In 1997 they relocated to Seattle, where Kelly worked mainly for Microsoft related companies. In 1999 Melinda gave birth to a daughter Chloe Isidora Kelly. After the turn of the century in 2000 they formed the Witch Grass Coven of the NROOGD tradition. (he and his Wife) Into this they mixed NROOGD influences with that of the 1734 tradition, as well as adding influences from Melinda’s family background as a Cherokee medicine woman.

In 2001 Kelly began teaching again and took a position at the Berkeley Learning Center in Lakewood, Washington, in addition to teaching for Central Texas College at Fort Lewis during 2002. Later that same year Melinda gave birth to another daughter, Isibella Liberty Americus Kelly. Since then Kelly has continued teaching and writing, and has produced a number of novels and non-fiction books on Pagan theology and religion.

His latest book:Inventing Witchcraft: A Case Study in the Creation of a New Religion (2007) is the long awaited revised and updated edition of his earlier book: Crafting the Art of Magic.

To summarize: another well educated, secret society connected Witch, Lakewood, cherokee blood within the wife's family, wrote a lot of books, 'creation of a new religion' - for all those pagans and 'white' witches on here who keep laughing at the mere mention of a new religion being introduced and witchcraft being part of it, how about them witches admitting it themselves then? Hardly christian propaganda now isit?

ulaw

19-11-2009, 02:01 AM

I love the above, thank you its was very amusing and made my day. Witches are nothing special and those that claim to be well are just looking for acceptance. Many are simply puppets for the dark forces knowingly or unknowingly.

Some peolpe may say they have supernatural powers, but the traites they posess are no more special than people with blue or brown eyes.
There is a credo in majic, to will, to do, to dare, to remain silent.
The last one is the most important for reasons i will not go into.

All these people saying they are witches or warlocks well its very nice for them, it makes no sense to openly admit what you know and can do in the world of majic. In the same way it does not make sense to show the enemy your plan of attack.

hunkahunka

19-11-2009, 01:39 PM

.video:

Secret PoliceMans Ball 2008 - Frank Skinner Taliban Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CskQf4KFtMA

The Secret Policeman's Other Ball was the fourth of the benefit shows staged by the British Section of Amnesty International to raise funds for its research and campaign work in the human rights field. It was the second of many shows to bear the celebrated Secret Policeman's title that became the iconic series known informally as The Secret Policeman's Balls.

The show took place in London in September 1981. It was a successor to the 1979 show The Secret Policeman's Ball.

The show was very influential in galvanizing rock musicians to become involved in the human rights issue and in other political and social causes in subsequent decades. Musicians who performed at the show who subsequently became activists in various fields include Sting, Bob Geldof, Eric Clapton, Phil Collins and Midge Ure.

At a guess, this 'ball' had been a secret MI5/CIA staff function for decades
if not centuries (at one point , 1979 to be exact, they realized that due to the complete idiocy of the general public, they could dispense with the secrecy and shove it in everyone's faces)

A hint as to the actual age of the Secret Policeman's Ball event is found in the word 'ball', which is a dated term. Her Majesty has had a secret service for centuries, so at a guess, the annual event dates all the way back to the time that parties/social events were commonly referred to as 'balls.'

The arrogance reaches a point where hiding in secrecy might be considered an outmoded indignity, the humility an affront to ego, etc.. At a guess, it was the equivalent of the establishment/intelligence community deciding that they may as well literally 'start showing them our balls'.

Also notable is Sting's connection to CIA/MI6 agent Miles Copeland and his son Stewart Copeland, and the fact that so many of these 'anti-establishment' rockers from Jagger to Sting to Elton to Geldoff to Bono seem to end up with royal titles , awards, Knighthoods etc, and often end up so thoroughly tied up in international politics that they appear more agent than entertainer.(which, of course, they always were from the beginning)

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YUuyzQDmjY

The cryptic humor of
Monty Python appeals to those who essentially 'are laughing' anyway. Financially. Socially.
These people are laughing. Regardless of the content of the material, the whole point
is that they are 'having a ball', and the joke is on us. Another cryptic comedian that springs to mind in this genre, is Steve Martin, of the same era. Essentially, certain comics , to certain audiences, need not even be that funny, because the people in attendance are already laughing all the way to the bank. The funniest part of it all,for them, may be the pleasure of forcing the humor of Steve Martin onto the 'dumb ignorant public'.

greydove

19-11-2009, 03:31 PM

I've met real witches and wizards before. None of them use those pentagrams, dark clothing and corny paraphenalia. They look just like normal people, and they don't advertise themselves as 'witches' lol!

hunkahunka

19-11-2009, 10:20 PM

video:

DUNCAN O'FINIOAN at the Project Camelot Awake and Aware Conference, Los Angeles, Sept 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knP2xOX0x_k

rodin

19-11-2009, 11:05 PM

Anyway, another part of the network is the witches anti defamations league.
http://www.cog.org/nextgen/welcome.html

Alone the name should make it pretty obvious that we're dealing here with an elite concept/organisation.

works for me

rodin

19-11-2009, 11:06 PM

Also notable is Sting's connection to CIA/MI6 agent Miles Copeland and his son Stewart Copeland, and the fact that so many of these 'anti-establishment' rockers from Jagger to Sting to Elton to Geldoff to Bono seem to end up with royal titles , awards, Knighthoods etc, and often end up so thoroughly tied up in international politics that they appear more agent than entertainer.(which, of course, they always were from the beginning)

see above ;)

rodin

19-11-2009, 11:11 PM

To summarize: another well educated, secret society connected Witch, Lakewood, cherokee blood within the wife's family, wrote a lot of books, 'creation of a new religion' - for all those pagans and 'white' witches on here who keep laughing at the mere mention of a new religion being introduced and witchcraft being part of it, how about them witches admitting it themselves then? Hardly christian propaganda now isit?

And they call themselves 'Reverend'.

hunkahunka

20-11-2009, 07:38 AM

Audio:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/UnravelingSecrets/2009/11/08/Stephen-Jacobson-Mind-Control-In-America

Original Air Date: 11/7/2009 11:00 PM
Steven Jacobson: Mind Control In America

"We live in a "virtual reality" where deception has become an integral part of the framework of society."
- Steven Jacobson.

Steven Jacobson is a graduate of the Boston University School of Communications. He worked in the film industry for 13 years, produced sponsored films, was a production manager and editor for a New York City documentary film company, did contract work for a Washington, DC film institute and re-cut features for U.S. theatrical distribution, TV syndication and cable. "Working as an editor, it was easy to see how simple it is to change the meaning of an event or of what someone says through editing," says Jacobson. "But I did not fully appreciate the extent to which we are all manipulated and controlled by mass media (even those who work in it) until I was given the results of private medical research investigating mental programming and deprogramming."

Mr. Jacobson's website is located at: http://www.mindcontrolinamerica.com/author.htm

http://www.mindcontrolinamerica.com/images/mcia-cd.gif

dhama_initiative

20-11-2009, 11:10 AM

Going back to the OP, I'm too young too remember clearly, but i thought that when Cobain died was not at the height of his fame, but past it. he had had his day (part of the reason he was depressed)

runciter

20-11-2009, 11:33 AM

Going back to the OP, I'm too young too remember clearly, but i thought that when Cobain died was not at the height of his fame, but past it. he had had his day (part of the reason he was depressed)

he died a few months after the release on "in utero"

Upon release, In Utero entered the Billboard 200 chart at number one and received critical acclaim as a drastic departure from Nevermind. The record has been certified five times platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America, and has sold over four million copies in the United States alone.

hunkahunka

20-11-2009, 04:58 PM

Going back to the OP, I'm too young too remember clearly, but i thought that when Cobain died was not at the height of his fame, but past it. he had had his day (part of the reason he was depressed)

I sort of agree with that. In Utero was received well by some critics, but actually received mixed reviews, and comparatively poor sales at first. (especially compared to Nevermind)
The tour for In Utero could be regarded as a bit of a failure too, as Nirvana was struggling to fill small arenas by the end of the tour. Cobain agreed to do 'MTV Unplugged' months after the tour, mostly to try and revive sales because the money was drying up pretty fast. That tv appearance stirred mainstream interest in the band and briefly boosted sales, but In Utero was still a marketing failure compared to Nevermind, and at that point was regarded as both an artistic and financial disappointment in some circles.

The thing that saved sales of In Utero, of course, was the death of Kurt Cobain. The spectacular nature of his death, the suicide aspect, the controversy and publicity (and sale$) it generated exceeded even that created by the assassination of John Lennon. Interestingly , both Lennon
and Cobain were signed with Geffen at the time of their profitable deaths.

Was it murder , or suicide? Some say Cobain was depressed over
'In Utero' . a sexual identity crisis, and a failing marriage, so it surely was suicide.
Others think Courtney Love & the CIA mk cult controlling him,Geffen , etc. had reasons to take him out, and to make it look like a suicide.
Cobain seemed to be recovering memories of traumatic abuse
and becoming more and more vocal about it, especially on 'In Utero'.

In another essay reprinted in Double Trouble, Greil Marcus notes that, though "it might be months [...] before you begin to catch what's being said in Nirvana's songs," "what the music says by itself" is "the feeling of humiliation, disintegration, of defeat by some shapeless malevolence." (As we will see, though that malevolence is indeed shapeless, it can still be named.) In still another essay reprinted in Double Trouble, Greil notes that "the drama played out in Cobain's performance" (the one captured in the video compilation Live! Tonight! Sold Out!!) "was a drama of abjection and abasement, of worthlessness and redundancy, a drama of surplus population, be it that of a solitary nobody who nobody liked or a generation the economy didn't need and the culture didn't want." As southern white trash, Elvis Presley was certainly familiar with these conditions, but his music did not dramatize social or personal exclusion. Elvis Presley's music was about unity, pride, over-coming, and especially dignity. But Kurt Cobain knew nothing or wanted nothing of these things. The theme of shame runs through all of Nirvana's lyrics, starting with the first two songs on the band's first album, Bleach ("Blew" and "Floyd the Barber"). Shame also features prominently in Kurt's private journals, which were published in 2002 under the name Journals.

Though the members of Nirvana clearly thought that it was one of their best songs (it was placed first on the demo tape that the band submitted to Touch & Go Records), "Floyd the Barber" is not given its due, perhaps because the scene it dramatizes is so outlandish.

Bell on door clanks, come on in
Floyd observes my hairy chin
Sit down chair, don't be afraid
Steamed hot towel on my face

I was shaved (repeat 3X)

Barney ties me to the chair
I can't see, I'm really scared
Floyd breathes hard, I hear a zip
Pee-pee pressed against my lips

I was shamed (repeat 3X)

I sense others in the room
Opie, Aunt Bea, I presume
They take turns in cut me up
I died smothered in Andy's butt

I was shamed (repeat 3X)

Once you begin exploring the strangeness of this story, you find you can't exhaust it. Everything is mixed together and indistinct. Is this a joke (a calculated and imaginary outrage, thought up by an adult with a perverse sense of humor) or is this a serious allegation (an evocation of one of the ways a child might describe the outrages that were perpetrated on him by real adults)? Is this a private matter (a shameful secret that no one knows) or a public scandal (a parody of the innocence of the characters on a well-known TV show from the '50s and '60s)? But perhaps the strangest, the most ambiguous aspect is this: is the death reported in the last lines metaphorical or real? Is a part of the narrator (his "innocence") dead or is the narrator himself dead (a walking corpse)? Note well how the song ends, with the drums continuing on their own for a bit, as if not yet realizing that everyone else has stopped playing
And so perhaps the ambiguity or indistinctness of the themes in "Floyd the Barber" dramatizes Kurt's painful awareness that 1) he found himself excited (either at the time or retrospectively) by the abuse he once suffered or 2) he is excited by the repulsive scenario that he has imagined. Either way, the fantasy of Floyd's Barbershop of Horrors is ultimately unsatisfying: in the first, his mind ("No rape/physical distance desired now") and his body ("Yes feels good/involuntary physical excitation") are at odds; and in the second the unification of his desires comes too late (the era of The Andy Griffith Show is over, killed off by "1961," thank god). And so a cycle -- sometimes soothing cycle, certainly vicious -- is set in motion. Kurt is a sincere, out-spoken and brave anti-rape crusader in the rock music business: "Don't rape" is at the top of a list of six commandments that Kurt draws up on page 114 of his journals, and the plain and simple plea "Don't fuck your children" was the last line in Kurt's liner notes for the Nirvana album Nevermind (1991) that he sketched on page 165 of the journals. And Kurt is young man who is abused, angry, sexually frustrated and depressed enough to fantasize about threatening to rape: "please don't fuck with my freedom or Im gonna have to Rape, torture & mutilate your family," he writes on 129 of the journals, speaking to the right-wing Republicans who have been in power ever since 1980, except for the first two years of the Clinton Presidency. Inevitably, this split or cycling back and forth dominates Kurt's poetry: "My lyrics are a big pile of contradictions. theyre split down the middle between very sincere opinions and feelings that I have and sarcastic and hopefully humorous rebuttles towards cliche -- bohemian ideals that have been exhausted for years" (Journals, 46). The cycle goes through moments of self-loathing ("Stain," "I Hate Myself and Want to Die"), self-confidence ("About a Girl," "Love Buzz"), and self-parody ("On A Plain," "Dumb")

Let me be plain. "Floyd the Barber," "Polly" (both the electric and the acoustic versions), "Negative Creep," the infamous "Rape Me": these songs (and others) by Nirvana resonate with people because of their own private experiences with sexual violence. And precisely because so many children and adults in America are the victims of sexual violence, Nirvana's music is "popular with" (emotionally gripping for) a lot of people, not everyone, but certainly enough to be significant. They find this music both cathartic and depressing, while other people find it just depressing.

But the presence of the theme of struggling against sexual humiliation doesn't fully explain the full intensity or duration of Nirvana's appeal, nor does it exhaust the sources of shame thematized and dramatized in the band's music. In his journals, Kurt describes himself as feeling "guilty for being a white, American male" (page 109). Such men do more than rape women and children of both genders: they also harass and degrade homosexuals, and lynch black men. But the sources or causes of Kurt's shame go even deeper than that. In his sketch for a possible record sleeve ("Floyd the Barber" is listed as the first song), he writes "I'm Ashamed to be a Human" (page 85; note that the words "I'm" and "a" are crossed out but are still legible). And why? Because humans not only rape, torture and mutilate each other, but also other species, plants and animals, even the whole fucking planet.

Here we begin to get a sense of the awesome dimensions and depth of Kurt's shame. In the words of his journals, he is "pregnant with shame" (268). But neither the words nor the music of "Floyd the Barber" fully express it; it can only be adequately or fully expressed by gestures of inexpressibility, that is to say, by the hollowing out of words.

In his journals, Kurt writes,

I don't have the time to translate what I understand in the form of conversation. I had exhausted most conversation at age nine. I only feel with grunts screams and tones with hand gestures and my body. Im deaf in spirit [...] I cant speak, I cannot feel. Maybe someday I'll turn myself into Hellen Keller by puncturing my ears with a knife, then cutting my voice box out. (pages 124 and 125)

What's left after the ears and voice box are gone? Nothing but "hand gestures and my body," that is to say, the movements and physical presence of Kurt's body. As he says in another journal entry, "I make up words -- that Arent ever heard" (page 201, emphasis added). We can only feel what Kurt is feeling by literally feeling him and, from a distance, seeing him move around and make gestures. We can only be impossibly close to and/or far away from him: "with the lights out, it's less dangerous" to be in such intimate proximity.

But even this is too much: Kurt doesn't want -- or can't bear -- to be seen. "Whoever experiences shame is overcome by his own being subject to vision," Agamben writes in his book on Auschwitz (page 107). And so, when the mass media eventually focuses its cruel spotlights on Kurt's private life and reveals him to be (in his own words) "a notoriously fucked up heroine addict, alcoholic, self destructive, yet overly sensitive, frail, meek, fragile, compassionate, soft spoken, narcoleptic, NEUROTIC, little piss ant who at any time is going to O.D., jump off a roof and wig out, blow my head off or all three at once because I CANT HANDLE THE SUCCESS! OH THE SUCCESS! THE GUILT! THE GUILT! OH, I FEEL SO INCREDIBLY GUILTY! GUILTY for abandoning our true comrades. the ones who are devoted" (text entitled "OH THE GUILT," signed by "KurDT disclaimer-boy," page 195 of the journals), his response is to demand (ironically?) that the media "Rape Me." The ambiguity or indistinction here is shameful: if rape is something perpetrated on an unwilling person, what can "rape" mean if the victim is literally and explicitly asking for it? "I'm not the only one," Kurt insists over and over in "Rape Me." Not the only one whom the media has raped, or not the only one who ironically declares he wants to be raped?

runciter

20-11-2009, 05:52 PM

The thing that saved sales of In Utero, of course, was the death of Kurt Cobain.

so obvious, i don't know what i was thinking about this morning, sorry dhama :D

writing something idiotic can have refreshing effects on the spirit, i feel much better now.

rapunzel

20-11-2009, 07:33 PM

rapunzel

20-11-2009, 07:36 PM

greydove

20-11-2009, 10:29 PM

In his journals, Kurt writes,

I don't have the time to translate what I understand in the form of conversation. I had exhausted most conversation at age nine. I only feel with grunts screams and tones with hand gestures and my body. Im deaf in spirit [...] I cant speak, I cannot feel. Maybe someday I'll turn myself into Hellen Keller by puncturing my ears with a knife, then cutting my voice box out. (pages 124 and 125)

As he says in another journal entry, "I make up words -- that Arent ever heard" (page 201, emphasis added).

Could there be any better desciption of what mkultra victim was feeling?

It seems to me that they tailor made monarchs like Kurt, Courtney etc. in a special way. They allowed just enough of their trauma to still be at the forefront of their minds and then encouraged their creative side to write about it.

So you have them speaking about their actual trauma in their music, and consequently reaching other similarly traumatized kids of that generation, sort of like pied pipers of despair.

And there was another angle to the Cobain psyop. When I listen to Nirvana, especially Bleach and In Utero, there are elements of eastern music (ragas) etc. under the grinding guitars. So they mixed these spiritual tones into the music, and then deconstructed it, almost to create a temple of worship to depression and angst.

I suppose this has happened in other rock groups, but it seemed very prevalent in Nirvana, and even that name! Nirvana...as if they were a perfect spiritual state of bliss when they were singing about such darkness. :rolleyes:

Hegelian dialectic at its finest

godgoo

20-11-2009, 10:36 PM

Mymagic eightball says absolutely

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

hunkahunka

21-11-2009, 03:32 PM

video:

Start a mind control cult

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/8/Start-a-mind-control-cult-551339.html

soulja

21-11-2009, 05:56 PM

You mean you've actually spent [B]a few days[/B[ looking into these subjects?

Subjects? plural? No, like i wrote in my opening sentence ive looked into witchcraft, neo paganism, and their connection to the illuminati. That’s one particular aspect, a clear focus is set. And, what was my post about? The leading figures of witchcraft and their connections to the illuminati. So what excately was your problem with that?

That would explain your inability to comprehend what you've read. I expect what you have done is just consult Google and hey presto, you're an expert.

How do you know what ive read? And if you would be so kind as to point out where i showed my inability to comprehend what were mostly resumes and life stories of some of the most influental witches? from their own sources btw. Witches like Selena Fox, Gerina Dunwich, Sybil leek, and kirk white. Witches who are heavely involved in a number of leading wicca organisations which are part of a world wide network consisting of most if not all wicca/pagan covens/churches/organisations with any sort of numbers and/or influence.

If you knew anything at all about Wicca you would realise that it is not an organised religion. That is one of its strengths (and also a weakness).

A basic look at the network mentioned above and it's various activities reveals the opposite to be true. it’s well organized and coordinated, world wide.

There may be numerous people in Wicca who are respected as Elders in that they have been involved for a long time and are generally respected, although name any well known Wiccan and there will always be those who disagree violently with their views.

Sounds great, problem with your romantic portrayal ist the facts dont support it. At the lower levels this well be the truth, in that it's the belief held by the majority of witches.

The level i looked into and still do, is the top level, the only level that is from relevance and interest in my research, which, i repeat, is about the top witches and their connection to the Illuminati.

The big world wide operating covens, the numerous organisations connected to each other. Witches like Kirk White who has his fingers in so many pies it’s just ridiculous. look at his resume:
http://www.revkirkwhite.com/resume.html

These are the kind of witches i’m interested in, the elite, not the vast majority of 'normal’ witches and pagans. Do you understand that there is a difference?

And can you see the difference between the vast majority of witches and witches like Sybil leek? who come from families/bloodlines of generational witches, where witchcraft is an important part of their history, daily life, and future. They prepare and train their children from early childhood to become leading witches. Crowley was a regular guest at sybil's home, aparantly just to read his poems to her.

She run her first coven when around 18, in those covens the position of the high priestess is determined by blood. It's hierachical and it's hereditary. For witches of her status/background many doors in the occult network will be open. She will be trained in various 'arts' of the 'craft' - For example, no other than Israel Regardie teached her the rituals of the golden dawn.

The whole point is that no-one has any authority over a Wiccan except perhaps the leader of their Coven, if they are in one. And that authority only extends to that person's behaviour in the Coven. If a person doesn't like it, they leave and either find another Coven or work on their own.There is no hierarchical structure; no leaders we must obey; no over-arching authority who can tell us what to do or what not to do.

Again, sounds great, and in your coven and the surroundings you take part of that might be so. Umbrella Covens like the CoS sing from a different song sheet though. And it’s rather clear that there are leaders, those who have the influence to steer the ship in the desired direction. They don’t call themselves your leaders, but lead they do.

That is the beauty of Wicca; it is for people who enjoy being independent and who prefer to be in charge of their own spiritual development. It's not for those who need to be told what to believe and not for those who need to lean on another's authority to feel safe.

Funny then that one of the requirements to join the CoS is the worship of the goddess. Independence and in charge of your own spiritual development is limited by traditions, systems, rituals, and all the rest of it. Choose one of a number of existing paths. that’s your level of independence.

It's just a pity your research (sic) didn't lead you to understand this.

Well what in your words sounded like the best thing on earth looks very different when simply checking some basic data and facts. Then suddenly what is so free and equal becomes a world wide network of Covens, churches, and various other organisations headed by only a few influental witches. An elite. Which suprising as it may be is excately the same situation we have with pretty much everything else.

By the way, I've been a British Traditional for 32 years so I think I have more knowledge than your few days on Google have brought you.

Depends what aspect of witchcraft you mean? Rituals, traditions, beliefs, things like that then yes, you prolly know more than i do, much more.

I fail to see how that makes any difference to what my post was about though. My personal conclusions based on the data presented are of course mine, and debatable. The following not so much:
There exists an network of the biggest covens/churches/ and organisations in Wicca/paganism, the people who created and run them are witches with impressive resumes, people who amongst other things: sit on various boards, hold director positions, run the big covens, recieve ritual training from the likes of Regardie. Had regulary visits from good old Crowley, hold degrees in masonic lodges, the golden dawn, the rosicrucians, the Ancient Order of Druids, lesser known groups modelled at the knights templar or the bavarian illuminati. Kirk White for example is initiated into all of them, he’s also president of his areas rotary club.

Anyway, the above is just a very small selection of data available on the top witches. Facts which simply aren’t compatible with the romantic, idealistic, and completely uncritical view of a believer and member.

i’m not saying your view/experience is false, what i’m saying is it’s not true for all aspects/levels of wicca/paganism, certainly not for the highest levels.

hunkahunka

22-11-2009, 03:25 PM

video: Walter Bowart - Operation Mind Control part 1/9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZ069smaYU&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yz-3Cd90Wo&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F-kRe__0dg&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVAMc231nhc&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIrY2WE6IeQ&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6tk_1MS5As&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXAu_TOeIy8&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdt8nJupJ-M&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdt8nJupJ-M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR3Iul9IIQA&feature=related

hunkahunka

22-11-2009, 04:05 PM

CKLN-FM Mind Control Series

Part 1

Wayne Morris:

I am here talking with Ronald Howard Cohen, a victim and survivor of abduction and drugging experiments by the U.S. government. Welcome Ron.

Ronald Howard Cohen:

Good morning Wayne. It's a pleasure being here. And I really want to sincerely thank you for having the courage to have me on since it's proved to be a very difficult task to find somebody with any courage at all who has access to the public media.

WM:

I'd like to thank you for coming on as well. It's a courageous act in talking about this. As you are well aware, and probably a lot of the listeners know, that there are many forces out there that don't want this information to get out into the public and so I appreciate you telling your story.

RHC:

I guess it's possible that I should start with a brief introduction about who I am. I'm a 53 year old writer who was born in the Bronx, N.Y. about six blocks from Yankee Stadium. I was raised with the idea that I might become the first Jewish President of the United States and I used to think that the Founding Fathers were great human beings. Then in the 1960's I became very active ... I have always been a writier ... since I was fourteen ... I have always considered it as part of my calling. In the 1960's I became very active in the Civil Rights movement and in the Peace Movement, worked with SNCC, and COR, and the War Resistance League. I spent twelve years living in the Village in the Lower East Side in New York. I was a very "hip" dude. And I was an original flower child in Haight-Ashbury. In 1967 I left ... I was one of the original coterie of the people who got that all off the ground. And in so doing, I apparently became part of Mr. Nixon's 20,000 or so shit-list, and became tagged -- I am assuming from the research that I have done -- that this was as per the Houston Project which was something of the coordination of the CIA and the FBI and US Army Intelligence to get all those radicals. Kissinger was convinced and telling Nixon, like, "we've got 1915 out there for God's sakes, Richard!! We've got to do something about it."

WM:

Did you have any indication that you were being monitored or targeted at that time?

RHC:

Well, you see, that's very interesting because I was sincerely a member of the counter-culture, and in sincerely being a member of the counter-culture, what our raison d'etre was to change the world ... we used to kid around and to prove your mettle it was "how many undercover narcs did you turn?" and get them to quit the force and become hippies or how many undercover guys did you get to have a drink with you, or even smoke some dope, and start telling you about ... "yeah, well, you know it's not a great job" and blah, blah, blah. Confrontation was part of the game. I hitch-hiked over 100,000 miles, I don't know, maybe 150,000 miles all over the United States. I started out as a careerist. I started out working for the newspapers in New York. I received one of the quickest promotions in the New York Mirror's history from Copy Boy to Assistant Editor and then I worked on trade journals in New York, and I was a careerist. And then the Vietnam War was happening and the Civil Rights Movement, and then ... all of that took place. But it wasn't a thing that was a big deal ... it was sort of like ... well, obviously. If we are the best minds of our generation, and we refuse to be defeated, okay? Well, you are challenging the Dragon ... and the Dragon is going to breathe fire.

WM:

We could talk about what you were doing at the time of the abduction and talk about the abduction itself.

RHC:

Let me just give a little bit of background about what MKULTRA was ... it is not the easiest thing in the world to do because Mr. Helms, who was the Head of the CIA, and Sydney Gottlieb who was the CIA Director of the project ... their liaison was with the Department of Defence -- supposedly either shredded or burned all of the files on this. John Marks, who wrote a book, "The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence" ... after they claimed to have burned all the files on MKULTRA -- he came across some documents -- and I have read other things other researchers say like "oh man they didn't burn the documents, it's just a story ..." but it's very deep. I don't know. MKULTRA was a major project ... the sincerity of the reasons, as far as I can make out, was that if you are doing noble work as part of the Warrior Class and you are a spy for the Warrior Class then one of the things that you have to cover is well, what happens if they capture one of us, what are they going to do to us? Well, I don't know. They might give us all sorts of drugs and they might torture us, but we've been through that. They might use more sophisticated things with rays, with god knows what else, just thoughts ... you can just go off into all sorts of trips. There were six major divisions of MKULTRA and what happened with the Project I was tagged under -- which if I am correct was Sub Project 255 -- this came out during the Carter Administration with Senator Kennedy and Senator Church -- was stuff where they basically had worked with US Army people. The BBC did a wonderful documentary on this stuff -- giving LSD and then running US Army through calisthenics. They ruined people's minds. Then they did black prisoners -- of course the United States is a race-conscious, class-conscious society -- they gave drugs to black prisoners, and people in mental institutions. They were discountable. So what.

They had many different types of drugs. I was part of the drug culture. I became very well acquainted with what marijuana was, what LSD was ... what I was given was not LSD, was not marijuana. It screwed up my mind for five years. From what I understand in dealing with LSD, they had given it in laboratory settings to people -- and everybody had a bad trip -- they were just miserable. Then they decided to do field research with that ... and there's a lot of conjecture about whether the whole hippie movement was a CIA sponsored project but that's more fantasy than reality.

(Eli) Lilly Corporation in Indianapolis, as far as I understand, bought a lot of their drugs for them. If they would release documents, people could be a little firmer on what their understandings are as a matter of fact. They then decided ... we've got to find unsuspecting people. Given their reasoning, if they are looking to protect their agents, they are not going to have a situation where they are going to say "excuse me, can I give you this dangerous drug?", right? They needed to just take somebody and just give them this drug. The situation was politically ... here's these hippies, and they're taking drugs ... well, they don't get along with their families ... they're all travelling around hitch-hiking ... they are easy game ... We pick up a couple of hippies. What are they going to do, go to the police and say "I'm stoned" ? That's, from what I understand, where I came into the picture personally. I was hitch-hiking ... I was very counter-culture. I had given up my career, I had sold all my suits, I was basically in a different garb and hairstyle. I was living and situating myself in different communities ... Lower East Side and Greenwich Village in New York; Berkeley and San Francisco in California, other sections in L.A.; Taos, New Mexico; Boulder, Colorado; Madison, Wisconsin. There were little pockets of counter-culture communities. That was one of the central thrusts. The sixties has gotten such a terrible, bad rap ... the basic good thing that I experienced in the sixties really had nothing to do with drugs. What it had to do with ... that was a tool ... whether the tail wags the dog, or the dog wags the tail ... the thing that I (and I haven't touched drugs in 15 years) ... looked at things ... there is no sense of community, everything is screwed up. Why is everything screwed up? People function in a world that they don't like. Why don't they like it? Because it is competitive.

Well, let's try to have a cooperative community. To the executive powers, that's communism ... that's where the New Left came in. Although I wasn't political any longer at that point ... what I had decided was ... I tried politics. I was getting arrested on demonstrations and all that ... it didn't matter. Some guy burned himself to death in front of the Pentagon and Nixon said he was watching football games. What mattered, it seemed to me, was the changing of personal self. Changing about how you relate to the next person you meet. That's what matters. The same function that Mother Teresa functions under ... but that's a whole other gig.

So ... I'm hitch-hiking between these communities ... I used to hitch-hike across the country. I would do it in five or six days ... it was like going around the corner for a container of milk to me ... I'm hitch-hiking through Indianopolis, Indiana ... from the west coast to the east coast ... I get picked up by this gentleman who wants to discuss the Vietnam War ... all I wanted to do was get a ride. I sort of debate ... it's like a born-again Christian picks you up and wants to discuss religion ... okay, is this worth 300 miles ... (excuse my cynicism, remember I am from New York City ... I have been here for twenty years, I try to modify it but it flips back every once in a while) ... finally I say the hell with it, this guy's a jerk ... I start telling him my views about the Vietnam War ... immediately he isn't going very far any longer ... he lets me off ...

(I hope I have established my sanity before we get into this ... because this starts getting a little weird. The thing is ... when you start talking about stuff ... it's weird ... somebody is listening to you who doesn't know you ... it's sort of like, who's this weirdo talking about weirdness ... I am not weird ... believe me ... after five years of being nuts ... I know what weird is ... I got my feet on the ground, okay? ... but when I start talking about this here, if it sounds bonkers ... it's bonkers ... and it's US government policy that was bonkers ... these projects in 1947 as ARTICHOKE and BLUEBIRD and then became MKULTRA and it was only have supposed to gone on from 1953 to 1957 but it's open to conjecture if it's not still going on ... )

Anyway. I'm standing on the side of the road. This grey car comes and picks me up and I knew how to read drivers ... I had done a lot of hitch-hiking. This guy seemed kind of ironed, starched shirt, slacks, short haircut, nothing in the car, no bouncing doggie heads, or dice, no music going ... so I think, I don't know, insurance salesman. I figured like ... I got in the car and thanked me for giving me a ride. Immediately I wanted to know how far he was going ... and I'm like, if you are interesting, and you are not threatening, he's stopping to pick someone up so you've got to cool them out ... and you talk sex or you talk football or whatever, music ... I tried just chatting this guy up ... nothing. Straight out. Immediately, I go into my mind, I've been in all sorts of situations with people showing me their guns in cars, or people picking you up and saying, I'm gonna rob the gas station up the road ... Whoa, why don't you let me out before you do that, you know, and stuff like that ...

Immediately, because this guy's not saying anything, I'm just going, oh is this one a weirdo, is this guy dangerous to me ... I ask him, can I smoke, because I smoke Marlboroughs at the time ... he said, yeah. The thing was the car was immaculate ... in retrospect, it was a government issue car ... I slipped down in the passenger seat, slouched down, trying to assess the situation ... now it starts getting weird. Under the dashboard is a reel-to-real tape recorder ... a small one ... running. I think, oh fuck, what is this? I'd seen a lot of stuff, but that one, I hadn't seen that one before ... I just sort of went, whoa boy, next coffee stop I'm out of here ... I don't want to find out any more literary content, this is enough ... I flip open the side ashtray on the door ... now it gets movie-time bizarre ... I can't explain really what happened ... obviously I got hit somehow by a knock-out drug. But what I thought happened next, and what I see in my mind's eye ... because that's the last coherent observation I had for the next five years ... dig that ...

What I see is a needle coming out of the ashtray. Now the mind is going, that's crazy, man, needles don't come out of ashtrays ... and I'm out. The rest of this is like scattershot ... my head was picking up ... like a screen goes black ... and then it becomes light for a little bit ... and it's a little bizarre ... and then it goes black again. And my body ... I'm weak like a kitten ... I'm drugged, zip, zero ... I'm just raising consciousness when I come out of the black. What I remember is it's now night-time ... it's raining and then ... I'm still in the car ... and I look over at the guy ... and I never got a clear ... this is really ... it was sort of ... is that the same guy? What's important and what really happened was a total panic attack, it was sort of like, what the fuck is going on?

Out again. Come to. Highway sign. Virginia, Maryland. I know I went to Maryland. There's a place called Fort Detrick, Maryland which is significant to the FBI, the CIA, and US Army Intelligence ... mucho. I don't know if that's where I was taken ...

W.M.

This was the Edgewood Arsenal ...

R.H.C.:

Right ... I went out again ... I came to ... I am starting to get tension just remembering all this ... anyway ... (it's not a thing that leaves you ...) ... I came to and now it even gets Alfred Hitchcock movie-ish ... it's still raining, which is the perfect scenario, right? But it's not fiction kids. This is reality. I write fiction ... but this stuff really happened. No doubt. So I come to and there's an M.P. (military police) comes to the window ... he comes out of a little thing ... they go through some gyrations ... we enter this place. I don't know why I was going in and out to tell you the truth ... although I was barely coming out ... We then drive down into a basement driving thing and the door swings open ... Next thing, two guys are walking me up a back staircase, out again, sort of like a ward place ... it is interesting that I have never been able to follow through in all of the research I've done ... I've done years and years of research on this stuff ... the feeling I got ... was like, oh shit, there's other people here ... the research I've tried to get is like nursing staff, dietitians, I mean whatever ...

Out again ... the significant part of it ... I don't know how long I was there. My feeling is it was a couple of days, at most a week ... I mean you got to understand ... at that particular time I wasn't following newspapers or calendars and I didn't wear a watch, etc. etc. But it was summertime and it was still summertime ... maybe it was a week, maybe it was a couple of weeks ... one of the other projects by the way was implants but I don't believe that was the thing they did to me ... I believe I got hit with a drug ... I was given a drug ... I do not know with all of the requests, I have files and files, and pages and pages, of Freedom of Information requests, of letters to senators, of letters to congressmen, of letters to every significant journalist that you can think of ... to lawyers, to lawyers' associations ...

Believe me when I thanked you for having the courage to have me on, that's heartfelt.

I don't know what I was given and I don't know how long I was there ...

W.M.:

Did you just have the sense that other people were there, or did you actually make eye contact?

R.H.C.:

Oh no ... it was sort of like bunk-beds, and people are stretched out ... sort of like wipe-out city ... recuperation ward and I just got walked through there ... that's the only ... the last ... they must have hit me ... I mean, I can only assume ... maybe somebody said, oh you didn't give him enough, and then I'm, you know, phlunk ... gone. They erased my memory ... I don't know ... open-ended conjecture ... I don't know what the hell what on there ... it's more than a little bit of curiosity to me ... I then start having some conscious memory of what happens next ... I've been there obviously for some time, and I am now in a cafeteria ... it's an empty cafeteria ... there's two guys ... wearing suits ... government straight arrows in suits ... they walk me down ... they're getting coffee, right? We walk back to a table. I remember one guy was eating a muffin, and one guys shoves a muffin under my nose and says, here you want a bite? And the other guy said, hey leave him alone.

Then I'm out again. I'm in a car. A different car. It's sunny out. Highway. Pennsylvania.

If you follow the map, if you start from Indiana, you can see the highways they took ... Pennsylvania ... a different driver ... again a grey, nondescript, nothing in it car ... empty, clean car. Then another bit of weirdness ... it's interesting, because operationally, it just seems that they were flying by the seat of their pants. Which compounded panic, right? So I am looking at this guy and now I'm starting to get unwoozy ... I'll get into the state of mind, like I said this screwed up my head for five years. The thing was that I start coming around, and I look over at this guy, and he really scared me. It was like ... I hate using fiery rhetoric but this looked an SS true-believer.

He pulls off the highway and he pulls into this hardware-gas station-thing ... and there's a phone booth there, he gets out of the phone booth ... and I'm just thankful that I'm starting to get, you know I'm moving my hands! and I'm starting to get, What? What? There was a lot of 'What?' I mean, if you don't believe it, believe me, I didn't believe it. I seriously thought I was losing my mind.

You have to understand that at that point I still didn't understand that the US government would do things ... they were good guys ... I'm an American ... they don't do this to Americans ... I mean, even if I'm a protester, a hippie ... they didn't do this ... blah blah blah. This guy gets out of the car, goes to the phone booth, and I see him, and he's talking on the phone ... I'm thinking, you're asking them what to do ... you don't know ... I got very frightened ...

I just get the feeling ... terror ... terror is terror ... I was in a state of total terror at this point. I just sort of figured from the look I got on this guy, if they just sort of say ... boom ... which can get you really annoyed ... being put in that position (once you get yourself back on your feet) ... this guy gets in the car, takes me out to the highway, and he dumps me ... like a bad movie. Boom. I roll over, on the side of the highway, and he's off ... scattering pebbles back in my face. And I'm there.

Whoa man. I remember the sun, and I remember looking at the green of the grass, and just thinking it was so beautiful ... and then saying, like, okay, can I stand? Can I stand? And I struggled to my feet ... that was not easy to do ... I did stand up, which I was really happy about. And I took a deep breath and then I sort of tried to assess what was happening, because I couldn't put it together. It didn't match anything. Two things came into my mind ... two real

clear instructive survival mechanisms: Don't tell anyone, because if you go and tell somebody what just happened, they're going to lock you up in a loonie bin, you ain't ever coming out. Find out what happened ... see if you can walk, get your head together ... I started to trying to think ... it was impossible. The second thing which came into my mind, which was very good information for my mind to tell me ... this was pre-Watergate ... get back to New York. I knew I was close to Philadelphia because I saw the highway sign. Get back to New York. Get back to the Village. Get back to the Lower East Side.

Get below 14th Street, in alphabet city. See your friends, and get yourself together. That's what I was doing.

Aside from total weakness - I really was as weak as a kitten. The mind I had for the next five years. Abstract painting. That's the only way I can describe it. Sort of abstract painting where a platform doesn't have an end, and then it ends ... and it goes into another geometric shape ... everything was sort of liquid. The only way I can describe it further ... there was a logical thinking process but the plotline would drop out of it ... bump ... it was like being in a bumpy elevator that didn't stop for about five years. The logical connection was just the ability to think ... it was the perfect counterinterventionist technique. If you want to jail or knock off or put the people who are opposing your power structure out of commission ... whatever drug they gave me, that would do it. Glad they learned something.

I will continue with getting off the highway, because there is a bit more that's interesting about that ... the unhappiness and the anguish that this was ... I was living on the street at the time ... the shape that I was in ... is some guy that you pass on the corner who is dirty, and bedraggled, and his clothes are just yuck ... and he's mumbling to himself and he's out of his mind ... that was me. I was out of my mind. Part of me was very solid. I was trying to re-patch all of this stuff that kept on falling apart ... there was one night ... I was wondering the streets ... I was barefoot ... I had eaten some food out of a garbage can ... I found myself rubbing my hands against the brick wall of a bank until they were bleeding and causing me pain ... that's when I knew when to stop because my palms were bleeding. I was saying, "here take my blood but give me back my mind".

W.M.:

That must have been a horrifying experience because at that point you really didn't know what was done to you ... if it was just the drugs or something else ... or what combination ... it didn't seem to end.

R.H.C.:

No. And all my friends left me. There was no support mechanism because I had been a very solid person that people looked forward to, and gathering around. I could see them talking, (whispering) ... "what happened to him?" And then finally people became disgusted with me. Yeah. It was a nightmare.

W.M.:

Just to get a frame of reference ... what year was this?

R.H.C.:

This was the late 1960's ... around 1969. I came to Canada in the later part of 70-71 ... let me get off the highway and then we'll get to coming to Canada.

There are two incidents ... not only the drugging, but the second time I was screwed up. This happened in the Nixon administration. The second time I was screwed up was under Ronald Wilson Reagan. We'll get into that later. (Sighs.)

I am on the highway. It's almost cliche but this hippie van stops, it's painted, and these hardcore hippies are in the van ... "hey get in the van, man!!!" This very nice couple who are the most together in the group are in the front, and they start talking to me and I'm just lying in the back. They were so wonderful. I want to thank them again ... if they even hear this. The woman looked at me and looked at her boyfriend, and said, "this guy's in trouble, let's take him home." They took me to their house, and gave me a bath and fresh clothes to wear, and something to eat. I wasn't talking very much, and she asked me where I was going, and I said I was going to New York City.

She said, "We'll buy you a bus ticket, man. You are in no shape." They drove me to downtown Philadelphia, we had a cup of coffee together, they bought me this bus ticket and I went back to New York. I haven't seen them since. That was part of the "community" I was talking about in those times.

I went through five years of travail ... there was one friend who had been politically active with me, and then he had left the States, and he had gone to Montreal ... I was trying everything. I was getting a little better. At one point I got better enough ... I was living in a Mission and I got a job as a warehouseman and that's how I got some money. I was really quiet and into myself, testing the waters ... I went up to Montreal and everybody who knew me assumed I had had a bad drug trip which I had ... but I didn't give it to myself. This guy said, "you should leave the States, man". At that point, peace, love was no more. Cities were burning. Watts was going on. Detroit and Harlem ... you had the assassinations. I couldn't keep two things in my head together ... I was off the chessboard politically as an activist.

My friend said "you should come up to Canada, it's sane up here" so I moved up to Montreal and then Montreal was going through a huge upheaval about French and English which I didn't know a hell of a lot about when I first got across the border and came to Montreal. ... Why did you invite me up here? Go up to British Columbia, man ... there's woods, there's trees. The thing to keep in mind is that later I got solidly back together. I was working as a copywriter at a radio station, I had a rented farm situation. I was back on my feet. I had chickens (out in B.C.), I had put in a garden. I chopped wood. It's a healthy environment. You go skinnydipping in a lake and watch a falcon for a while. It's a good way to live.

I was doing that. When I got myself back to together again after five years of not being so, I met a woman and fell in love with her, and she had been a student activisit and had tanks in the streets and had been a medic in Madison, Wisconsin. She had bicycled across the country. We got married. I was with my wife for two or three years. I hadn't told anybody. I had put it out of my mind. I had gone back to being a writer. I hadn't thought about it.

It was like, "forget about it", and it was a pleasure to forget about it. One night my wife was holding me and I was shaking and crying and really going through terror again, and I told her about what had happened. She was really very strong, she said, "Well, Ron, you're a writer, right?" I said, "Yes." She said, "Write about it."

That was the first writing of what has come to be "TRANSGRESSIONS". Up until I started writing about it, which was cathartic and healthy, there was still the basic robotic instructions I had given myself at the roadside, which was "don't tell anybody, they're just going to think you're nuts", you know, "get yourself together." I guess at the point where I felt strong enough, knock on wood, I was together which led me to all of the research I have done about MKULTRA itself.

W.M.:

After deciding you were going to write about it, what avenues did you pursue trying to find out what happened to you?

R.H.C.:

I've read all of the Senate Hearings works. I have also read, I believe, every book that has been written - and there has been some fine work by different writers - on MKULTRA, and given myself all that background. I'm a fiction writer. That's what I am ... I have had to become a switch-hitter in the sense of having had to work for ad agencies and newspapers and trade journals. I even have my own consulting business as a writer (Perfect Communications is the name of my consulting business). I know how to do other types of writing, but I am a fiction writer. I thought that the best medium for doing this was to write it as a work of fiction and the thing was, I didn't think that just a first-person story would really give a full picture of what was going on there. What I have also done is researched Sidney Gottlieb, he had a very nice farm, he used to like to milk goats. Yeah. Interesting synchronicity. He was a Jew from the Bronx, and he was in charge of the CIA's mind control experiments. Just like me. Perfect. Him and I would have had a fistfight at the school if I had ever met the son-of-a-bitch. I have also researched all of the people involved, so some of the characters in my book ... Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Oliver North, Tom Charles Huston (he's a fascinating little doo-hickey - he was Nixon's "Young Guy" who also came from Indianapolis. I wrote a work of fiction, interestingly. I really do have a rather large talent, and I say that without an ego. It's a gift, and I have been blessed with it. This book has had such difficulty being published. It's the interlock, the corporate interlock, it goes on forever. The story that I wrote is fiction, but it's based on the factual data.

W.M.:

During this time that you were trying to get information on MKULTRA and specifically what happened to you, which program you were involved in, what kind of response were you getting from the government. You were making information requests. How much information were they giving you, how much was blacked out?

R.H.C.:

The interesting thing is I have gone through different administrations -- Carter, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and now Clinton. There would almost be four or five different answers to that. Basically nothing happened until Carter came in. I don't know if everything that happened during the Carter administration using those fellows' terminologies was a "limited hangout", which means tell them a bunch of phoney baloney stuff that will keep them occupied and we'll keep the good stuff to ourselves. Colby, the guy who just died (Wayne: "mysteriously ...") ... (laughter) I try to stick to the facts ... if I don't know it for sure I'm not going to throw around accusations.

He was the head of the CIA at that point. Let's just make something clear about that because that's really the aggregious lack ... my main thrust in all of this is to achieve two things: truth and justice. Believe me, I have gone through a desire for revenge. That was hell on earth. I believe that, thank God, I have worked out my desire for revenge. I don't think it's possible for me to put this to rest for myself without truth or justice being established.

During Carter's time and the hearings that went on ... Carter came on and said I'm not going to tell you any lies ... that's what he claimed while he had the largest defence budget, even larger than Reagan's as far as I understand,

but nonetheless. Good cop, bad cop. Jimmy's a nice guy, he builds houses for poor people. During that period, there was information being released. I sent off many Freedom of Information requests ... I write a great Freedom of Information letter ... I have done it often enough. First of all you get denied, and you go through that whole thing. The basic game they operate on is, you want something, tell me where it is and I'll go look for it ... but there have been some very good, helpful people in the government libraries as well ... there were lots of covert activities and lots of documentation so even if you want to get something for somebody, to some degree you have to know what to look for. The most reassuring thing that came out during the Carter administration, without me going to the files and dragging all that stuff out, was, "okay, thank God, I'm not nuts, I am not alone, this really happened .

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hunkahunka

23-11-2009, 07:11 PM

CKLN-FM Mind Control Series

Interview with
Lynne Moss-Sharman

I am on the line now with Lynne Moss-Sharman a survivor of mind control experimentation, and an advocate for other survivors. Welcome to the International Connection Lynne.

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

Thanks Wayne, I am really glad to be speaking here this morning.

Wayne Morris:

I wonder if you could briefly describe for our listeners what had happened to you. I will get into more detail, but just kind of summarize what happened to you.

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

I am a survivor of child mind control experimentation which was funded by the CIA, primarily in the 1950's in Southern Ontario and in Upper State New York. I grew up in Toronto until age 3 on Elm Street and Maria Street near the railway tracks, and then spent the rest of my childhood and adolescence in Hamilton.

Wayne Morris:

Just before we go into more detail about what you went through, I would like to talk about what you are doing now. You are the founder of The Stone Angels support group. I wonder if you could talk about that.

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

The Stone Angels was formed in Thunder Bay in 1993. I had been in therapy myself for quite a long time, and began to come in contact with other survivors of cult ritual abuse at that point, and was able to speak with over sixty adult survivors of ritual cult abuse. Many of them are from Thunder Bay and Northwestern Ontario, but a great number of them had moved here from other cities in the country. There was a great need to begin asking for services to be provided for survivors, and we began producing The Stone Angels Journal in 1993 with Volume 1 of survivors' writings and drawings, and I have just been working on completing Volume 6b on Mind Control In The Modern Age. We essentially began bringing cult ritual abuse to light and that progressed, as we began to hear more from survivors, into the dialogue about the mind control experimentation that had in fact been going on all over the country.

Wayne Morris:

You focused on specific issues with your release of The Stone Angels information package. Maybe we could talk about the different issues that you have released, and what they have focused on.

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

Again, initially it was an overview and personal descriptions of having gone through cult ritual abuse, and then we began to realize that a great percentage of the survivors had also been involved in Masonic cult ritual abuse. Their fathers or their grandfathers were Masons or Shriners, again in different parts of the country, and we started looking much more closely at that because it seemed to be a common thread. Once the Presidential Hearing had been conducted in Washington in 1995 and the survivors of childhood mind control experimentation came forward with their testimony and that became part of the public record -- we were then able to publicly come forward with the information about the mind control experimentation that had been described by certain survivors, and the military connection began to come in there, and again the Masonic was also a common thread. Volume 6a was the first issue that we devoted entirely to mind control in Canada and it gives a bit of an historical perspective from World War II onwards, and Volume 6b brings in more experiences, drawings and documentation by American survivors. It's really curious to see the similarities between the experiences of women and men who were raised in Canada, as Canadian citizens, and those experiences described by USA citizens. It seems that wherever there was an American military base in Canada ... we started looking at NORAD and the DEW Line ... wherever there was an American military base we would then see a clustering of survivors who had grown up there, if not on the base itself, then as part of the community that was adjacent to a military base.

Wayne Morris:

Can you tell us typically how children are introduced to this sort of thing?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

There is a certain element of intergenerational cult abuse, but the common denominator again is that usually the father was in one of the armed forces - either Canadian or American - and whether there was a predilection for pedophilia and cult involvement prior to that particular father joining the military is a question that really needs to be answered. Almost all of the survivors - certainly over 90% - describe having been either consciously or wittingly offered up to the cult abuse and then to the mind control experimentation that followed. This wasn't a situation where children were secretly taken away from their parents during the day or on overnight visits or weekend visits elsewhere. There was conscious knowledge by either one or both parents and they were actively involved in making sure the children arrived where they were supposed to arrive. This is especially devastating. There is a really big statement that needs to be made at this point in history as well. When we think of the Third Reich and when we think of Hitler and the Nazis targeting for extermination 'the Other' - what happened following World War II is that the survivors who are coming forward are the generation of children who were offered up by their own families.

Wayne Morris:

This is something that is just so hard to believe - how a parent could offer up their own children to this kind of thing - but I think we have to put things into context here and what, primarily the fathers, have been involved in. You mentioned that very often the father is in one of the various armed forces, and also involved somehow in cults. What kind of cults are participating in this, and you mentioned the Masonic as well? Is the cult part of that structure or does it operate as a separate thing?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

If we start looking at the people, the men, who are put in positions of power in the military, in the government, in any given municipality - and again say across Canada, and again certainly across the United States - the white male secret society, the Masons, seems to be a prerequisite for having any sort of authority and they have traditionally certainly been involved in the military itself. I believe all but two Presidents of the United States were Masons - Ronald Reagan was inducted into the Scottish Rite in the Oval Office of the White House - and certainly the cults are very secret and they practice behind the scenes, so to speak, in Anglican Churches, Episcopalian Churches, the Mormon Church ... a number of churches have come forward. Research has been conducted by Dr. Stephen Kent, a sociologist at University of Alberta who researches cult practices, deviant religions and it is a focus of his work that the Masons seem to be the secret society who come up over and over again whenever cult practices are disclosed by survivors or investigated by researchers.

Wayne Morris:

I understand you had organized the Making Up For Lost Time conference in Thunder Bay back in 1994, which was really the first conference of its kind - a very important one because of that. What were your experiences organizing that conference, and what did you hope to accomplish?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

At the time of applying for grant applications to hold Making Up For Lost Time - it was actually a series of three conferences that began in November 1994 and ended in June 1995 - at that point I had come in contact with over sixty survivors of ritual abuse in childhood, just here in Thunder Bay alone. Many of the agencies here in the city had become fairly open about the number of clients they were seeing, and everyone was looking for information. The goal of Making Up For Lost Time was to bring the information and the experiences of survivors and of therapists as well into a community context so that people would be able to receive some education and instruction on how to deal with clients, including children, who were coming in with these problems. Also to put it into the abuse continuum in a sense as well, that this was severe childhood sexual, ritual trauma and that it had to be included in the abuse continuum. In a sense it was a way of making the information available, and to make it safe for people to begin talking about it. It was also really, really essential to bring the survivors together and this was a survivor-driven conference - it wasn't organized by an agency- it wasn't organized by professionals.

Wayne Morris:

What level of community involvement did take place at the conference?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

We designed the conference so it was appropriate for both Native and non-Native agency workers. We had representation and participation from Beendigen, the Native women's shelter and now women's and men's counselling unit, and they work with children too; the Canadian Mental Health Association; the Children's Aid Society; Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons; the battered women's shelters here in Thunder Bay - and we actually received our direct sponsorship from Faye Peterson Transition House; representation from Confederation College; the Refugee and Immigrant Women's Office; Family Services Thunder Bay; Ojibway Family Services; Geraldton Mental Health Services; Hoshizaki House - a northwestern Ontario based shelter for battered women; the Indian Friendship Centre; Kenora Sexual Assault Centre; Lakehead Psychiatric Hospital; Lakehead Regional Family Centre; Lakehead University; the London Sexual Assault Centre; the Ojibway Tribal Family Services; Meno Bimahdzewin Child and Family Services; the Ottawa Sexual Assault Support Centre; Oakland Place - Women in Crisis, Algoma; People Allied for Change Through Empowerment, the psychiatric survivors advocacy group in Thunder Bay; the Plummer Hospital Sexual Assault Care Centre in Sault Ste. Marie; Thunder Bay Police; representation from Toronto Rape Crisis Centre; representation from the Wunnemin Health Council which is a band council service group from a reserve that is primarily Ojibway speaking. We had students who volunteered and participated from the Department of Social Work and Psychology, including post graduate, from Lakehead University. Students who volunteered from the Departments of Aboriginal Studies and Social Services at Confederation College. There was also registration from post-graduate studies in psychology from Carleton University and the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg.

Wayne Morris:

So a lot of these groups were looking for information and to sensitize themselves to these issues. Did you get feedback from them afterwards as to what they got out of the conference?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

I think the people who attended obviously were people who had come across it in practice, and were unable to locate any information or to concretely receive any validation that what they were experiencing wasn't an anomaly, peculiar to their own lack of experience. I think a lot of people who have worked in direct service with children and adolescents and adults, whether it is in addictions or in corrections or in direct crisis counselling - a lot of people have been really quite frightened when clients start to describe what has actually happened to them. And the information is so horrifying, I can't imagine how overwhelming it would be to a worker in a small agency, or a worker in an isolated area to hear their client describe what had been done to them and not really be able to put their hands on any information or have any peer consultation about this. It is certainly a taboo in our society to begin with ... There was a great relief and empowerment and strengthening that came about in the service providers themselves, and a lot of networking began.

Wayne Morris:

And the survivors themselves who attended the conference - how did they feel empowered by the conference?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

For many of the survivors - and they came from Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, all over Ontario and one survivor from New Brunswick - for some it was the first time they had ever attended any sort of gathering where they were able to meet other survivors. I think one of the most empowering aspects was that a lot of the material was being presented in an academic, objective way -- survivors came to realize that they weren't alone with their perceptions or their experiences -- but that this issue was being taken seriously by a broader research and service delivery community. Just to be there as a survivor, and to see 40 other women and some of the men who were coming forward at that time was tremendously empowering for survivors. I saw many of them begin to speak for the first time. You take away the element of being "crazy", being isolated ... I saw some of the survivors begin to give material to students who were seeking information. One survivor actually made a videotape of one of her flashbacks which was to be used by three mental health workers out in the region. People began information sharing and they became less fearful for their own safety as well when they realized how many other survivors were out there. There was a great deal of laughter. I have to say that as well. Many survivors are really creative, and very bright people who are excluded in many ways from participating in society at large because they have such a hard time functioning. On that level alone, being able to laugh, and to share, and to speak the same language with other survivors - it's hard to put into words what being able to be understood by other people, other women who have gone through the same thing - how much that means.

Wayne Morris:

I can imagine that survivors who are trying to articulate what happened to them in the general public would be met with incredulousness and would find it very hard to come out and speak about it. Approximately how many survivors did attend the conferences?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

There were approximately 40 survivors who attended each of the three sessions. I was actually quite amazed at the number of survivors who did attend, but I had seen so much fear, and a lot of it was validated fear. Survivors have ended up in hospital from being stabbed or beaten up, they are threatened and harassed by cult members - it was a very dangerous thing to do - a very courageous act for a survivor to come to a gathering.

Wayne Morris:

Who else did you invite to the conference to speak from the academic world or from the therapist community?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

The first workshop that was held in November 1994 - the primary presenter at that one was Shirley Turcotte who is a registered clinical consultant and therapist based in Vancouver, B.C. A lot of people know Shirley from the NFB film that she made called "To A Safer Place". Shirley is a survivor herself and a therapist. She was born to a Native father and a non-Native mother in Winnipeg where she was raised, and it was a cult setting. She was used for child pornography as well. Shirley was an extraordinarily dynamic speaker. We also invited at that time, an Elder, Louise Shebagegit from Sabiskong Reserve near Nestor Falls, and Louise was there 24 hours a day throughout the duration of the conference there in the hotel. She was able to act as an Elder, and provide protection and healing for anyone who was having a difficult time or who wanted to seek the guidance of an Elder about it.

When I first called through to Nestor Falls to try and find Louise and ask her if she would come and do this for us, one of her relatives answered the telephone. The message was delivered to Louise, secondhand in a sense, and we asked if she would come and help The Stone Angels at this conference. When I went to pick Louise up at the bus terminal, there she was, having arrived on the Greygoose Bus with her medicine bag and her gym bag with her clothes - and she was really surprised when she met me, because she thought Hell's Angels had invited her to come to Thunder Bay to do a healing! And she gathered up all her courage, and there she was at the bus terminal, ready to act as an Elder and as a spiritual advisor to Hell's Angels, and we had a really good laugh about that one.

I just thought any Elder who was prepared at the drop of a hat to come and work with Hell's Angels had a lot going for her spiritually ...

Then that was followed by the January 1995 portion of Making Up For Lost Time. That was a more involved list of presenters. Judy Steed spoke - she had at that point just released "Our Little Secret: Confronting Child Sexual Abuse in Canada".

Pam Gummer and Ruth Chamberlain-Belagus were the two social workers involved in the Prescott Community Advisory Committee on multi-victim, multi-perpetrator crimes against children, spoke as well. Pam and Ruth had been involved in the case in Prescott where 50 adults were formally charged, and I think about 234 children were rescued from situations where ritual abuse was involved. All of the adults who were charged were found to be guilty. Pam and Ruth, because of their direct family-child agency service orientation, were very, very important to have speak to our community itself. They spoke about the procedures that they had to go through in order to ensure that the children's interests were served - the documentation that they obtained, the testing they had to go through. One thing that really stayed in my mind was that they had to set up a quonset hut for art therapy - they needed a really large facility because there were over 230 children who had been impacted in a multi-generational setting in a very small community.

Another presenter at that conference was Dr. Louise Million. She is a psychologist, and co-author of "Breaking the Silence" - the report on the abuse and torture experiences of First Nations people in residential schools - that report had been commissioned by the Assembly of First Nations.

Another speaker was Dr. Connie Kristiansen, who is a psychology professor at Carleton University in Ottawa, and Connie is a very well known researcher on the source and impact of the supposed false memory syndrome , and the recovered memory movement. Another speaker was Dr. Stephen Kent, a sociologist at the University of Alberta. His presentation was "Deviant Scripturalism and Allegations of Masonic Ritual Abuse". Dr. Kent specializes in primarily research and published writings about ritual practices within the Masonic men's society, and also within the Mormon church because there are many links between those two institutions.

There was a community panel on the Saturday afternoon, "The Ethics of Confidentiality - Who Is The Silence Protecting?" The moderator for the panel was Brenda Small, who is a Cree lawyer from James Bay who teaches in the Aboriginal Law division at Confederation College. Her specialty is the concept of Native or Aboriginal Law as opposed to the laws, the judicial process that is part of our dominant culture. The panel participants were Kerry Bourret, who is a counsellor/ therapist at Family Services Thunder Bay and who has almost ten years experience in working very successfuly with cult survivors, trauma survivors, mind control survivors. Also Constable Ken Davies, who is one of the two-person Criminal Investigation Dept. at Thunder Bay Police. He and another officer specialize in the area of cult activity, cult abuse as well.

So that January session was very comprehensive, and what I wanted to do there was to cover every possible aspect - the child aspect ... how agencies could deal with it. The parallels within the First Nations communities - the parallels in the kinds of organized torture and abuse that had taken place in residential schools. The impact and the acceleration of False Memory Syndrome Foundation. The evidence and research documentation about Masonic ritual abuse which is a big problem in this community as in many others in North America, Britain, Australia. And then to have the community panel - we are really fortunate to have some extraordinarily committed and very perceptive and bright professionals working here in the community in Thunder Bay. There are people working here who - I guess people are surprised when they realize the level of research and service that is actually occurring in this very isolated region.

The third and final section of Making Up For Lost Time was a workshop by Alexandra Rogers, who is also a survivor and therapist, based in the United States. Alexandra was raised in a masonic, military cult in the state of Maine and she was a programmer, trained to be a programmer throughout her childhood. I think that particular conference workshop setting - to have a survivor who has managed to break the programming and escape from the cult, and who is now able to work professionally with survivors and therapists - to break the code for them on how to deal with certain programs that have been indoctrinated in clients - also for survivors to be able to listen to this extraordinary woman who had been through all of the same practices, tortures and abuses, and had actually been a torturer herself - for her to stand up there and talk about the kinds of interventions that had brought her over on the side of being a survivor and not a practitioner or participant any more - it was one of the most powerful things that happened throughout the duration of the three part conference series. Alexandra is 33 years old. Her husband was also there. He is an artist and also a cult survivor who was raised in Toronto, and had formerly been involved in animation production.

This was a really interesting time in Ontario's history. Unbeknownst to us, there were five other communities in the province who were also hosting conferences, workshops or gatherings specifically about ritual abuse. One took place in Kitchener in February, 1995. One in Ottawa in February. One in Belleville in February. Another in Ottawa in March, and another in Kingston in June. So from our first gathering in November, our second in January and the third in June -- in that six to eight month period -- there were 8 or 9 gatherings happening around the province. So what we were doing wasn't happening in isolation - we are not a curiousity of a community. What we were doing was part of a much larger breaking the silence throughout the province of Ontario.

Wayne Morris:

Do you know if any of the other conferences made the links between ritual abuse and mind control experimentation?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

No, nor did they talk about masonic ritual abuse. I sensed at the time that if we were going to present this information, and if people were going to go to all the trouble of getting to Thunder Bay from other parts of the province, or from other provinces, that it was essential that we encapsulize the information and that we put the whole notion of ritual abuse into a much broader historical context. I know some of the other groups were very fearful of bringing that kind of information forward. We certainly brought the masonic information forward and we paid for that in lots of ways. The mind control experimentation wasn't addressed directly at that time. There were private conversations about it that went on at the gatherings, and actually I think the extent of the mind control experimentation -- coming to know about it -- was a byproduct of advertising - particularly about the masonic connection. I put a few small advertisements in the Globe & Mail, notifications about the upcoming conferences - and just the three or four words describing the masonic connection generated phone calls and letters from survivors across Canada who described themselves as being masonic survivors, living in terror. They were invariably the daughters of Masons, or Scottish Rite or Shriners. They began describing, again from all across Canada, memories of what could only be described as mind control experimentation. Those fragments began to come forward back then in November 1994.

Wayne Morris:

There were some public statements about masonic involvement in ritual abuse in the media, at the time of the conference and shortly afterwards in which they had a chance to respond, and they denied all the allegations that were brought forth. Has there been further responses from the masonic lodge since the conference, or any further communication?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

There was a really well organized - I can only call it an attack - by the masons when the January portion of the conference was coming to the media's attention and I am going to speak about Thunder Bay, because there was a great deal of media coverage here in the city about it. There was a fax campaign where then Premier Bob Rae received faxes from masons all over the province denouncing what The Stone Angels were doing in Thunder Bay. I had messages left on my answering machine at that point, day after day, from masons and wives of masons in Northwestern Ontario, including a call from the wife of a mason up in Moose Factory and also the publisher of a newspaper in Dryden who refused to print the notice about the conference itself because her husband was a mason. So she chose as publisher and editor of a regional newspaper to not let people know there was such a gathering. There was a public outcry by the masons that they were not allowed to come and attend our conference, and we were very explicit and very clear about masons not being allowed to attend. Registration was closed to survivors, therapists and service providers only -- that's who it was designed for. I received a series of calls from two particular masons over a period of time here in Thunder Bay. One of them was a retired policeman, Peter Tooey, who also went on television denouncing what we were doing. At that point I was fairly naive. I didn't have access at that time to all of the information that was available - primarily USA publications who had also been asking questions about the Masons. So I was operating in a bit of an information vacuum at the time.

I had come across some information (in a library encyclopedia of organizations) stating that the Scottish Rite in the USA funded, out of their charitable donations, research on schizophrenia. I can remember reading that and thinking how curious, how chilling, that the upper echelon within the Masonic secret society would choose to use their charitable monies to fund research on schizophrenia which is very similar in some ways, to the diagnosis of Multiple Personality Disorder or Dissociative Identity Disorder which is displayed by 99% of the survivors of ritual abuse, and certainly by survivors of mind control experimentation. And I very naively asked Mr. Tooey if he was aware that monies were being used for these purposes, and he very proudly told me that " ... well yes ... and here in Thunder Bay all the money that the Scottish Rite raised went to fund a research project on the study of schizophrenia at the University of British Columbia." I found that very frightening, and again, very chilling -- that the money from this community in Northwestern Ontario, raised by this male secret society, would be directly funnelled to a university on the West Coast of Canada. And then I came across another piece of information on a bulletin board out at the University shortly after that - there are research grants available at York University - something called the Rohr Institute which is funded by the Masonic Foundation of Canada which is headquartered in Hamilton, Ontario. It offers $8,000 and $35,000 research grants -- the $35,000 research grant is directly funded by the Scottish Rite Charitable Foundation of Canada through the Rohr Institute for the purpose of offering research grants for studies in the area of "intellectual disability". I don't think this is something that is broadly known either - and I am wondering what kinds of studies are actually being carried out at York University with these monies.

I think I have mentioned to you before, in terms of intellectual disability, all of the survivors with whom I have come in contact, are extremely bright, very very creative women and men. Some of them have two degrees. Some of them have post graduate accreditation as well, and yet the survivors who are able to function on any professional or academic level, or indeed, are even able to support themselves, are in the minority. What was done to us has been disabling to use intellectually, in the extreme.

Wayne Morris:

I would like to talk about ACHES-MC which you are the Canada contact for. How did this organization come about and what are your goals and demands and activities?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

ACHES-MC is the Advocacy Committee for Human Experimentation Survivors of Mind Control. In March 1995 the testimony was accepted at the President's Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments in Washington -- the testimony of approximately fifty survivors of child mind control experimentation funded by the CIA was presented to that Committee by Valerie Wolf, a therapist in New Orleans. Valerie incidentally grew up on the military base in North Bay, Ontario and she and her husband both completed undergraduate degrees at McMaster University in Hamilton. Valerie has been a therapist for a number of years in New Orleans where her husband is a psychiatrist on faculty at Tulane University Medical School. Valerie collected the written testimony of survivors of childhood mind control experimentation to bring to the Committee's attention, and two of her clients, Claudia Mullen and Chris Denicola came in person to give oral testimony about their experiences as children who had been subjected to torture, mind control experimentation procedures, and also the organized pedophilia, again with the CIA context.

I was able to attend a conference in Texas in 1996. Valerie, Claudia and Chris were presenters at the conference, and when they described the next thing that had to happen for survivors was the formation of a survivor based advocacy committee who would collect information from as many survivors as possible and bring it to the attention of this Advisory Committee -- so that another Presidential Advisory Committee and a formal commission could be formed to accept the testimony of the mind control survivors in the United States and in Canada. I met other survivors there, and we began sharing experiences and began informally talking about forming such a group. On the last day of that conference I by chance started to talking to Blanche Chavoustie who is also a survivor, she is an adult survivor of mind control experimentation who is originally from upper state New York. She and I just happened to sit down and started talking to each other, and decided that we were going to do whatever was necessary to form a survivors advocacy committee. When each of us returned home, Blanche to Long Island and me to Thunder Bay, we began contacting all the survivors we had been in contact with over the internet or by mail or telephone. We were able to start ACHES-MC. One of the first actions that we did was when five survivors attended a conference at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. in May 1996 and they handed out the first information about ACHES-MC at that time. We started a data base. We formally started that a year ago in October of 1996, and we have a website and questionnaires have been sent out to well over a hundred survivors of child mind control experimentation. We have begun collecting this information, creating this data base and we hope to be able to produce a report. That data shows the geographical clusters where experimentation has taken place in the US and in Canada, and it also shows the clusters of alleged perpetrators, torturers - the doctors who carried out these experiments.

Wayne Morris:

I understand you have also been very active in working with the Native American Indian communities in the Thunder Bay area. What has your involvement been and how have traditional Native healing practices played a part in your recovery, and other survivors' recoveries?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

When I spoke earlier about coming in contact with over sixty adult survivors of ritual abuse in Thunder Bay, some of those adult survivors are Ojibway people who were raised in Thunder Bay or on the reserves in Northwestern Ontario. We began to see similarities in what survivors of residential schools were describing in terms of the practices that were carried out on them. For instance the electric chair that was constructed at the residential school in Fort Albany, near Moose Factory. There were also statements about the skeletons of children found in an abandoned barn there at Fort Albany. Some of the ex-residential school students described being raped in the middle of the night by men in white robes, and then forced abortions taking place. These are the same ritual cult practices described by survivors of cult abuse, cult experience.

Wayne Morris:

You are listening to The International Connection on CKLN 88.1 and that was an interview with Lynne Moss-Sharman, a US mind control experiment survivor and Canada contact for ACHES-MC. We are going to hear a music piece right now, called "Play Me Backwards" by Joan Baez, and if you listen closely to the lyrics, this song is about child ritual abuse.

You don't have to play me backwards to get the meaning of my verse
You don't have to try and go to hell to feel the devil's curse
Well I thought my life was a photograph on the family christmas card
Kids all dressed in buttons and bows and lined up in the yard
Were the golden days of childhood so lyrical and warm?
Or did the picture start to fade on the day that I was born?

I've seen them light the candles, I've heard them bang the drum
And I've cried Mama I'm as cold as ice and I got no place to run.

Let the night begin, there's a pop of skin and a sudden rush of scarlet
There's a little boy riding on a goat's head, and a little girl playing the harlot
There's a sacrifice in an empty church of sweel little Baby Rose
And a man in a mask from Mexico is peeling off my clothes.

So I'm paying for protection, smoking out the truth
Chasing recollections, nailing down the proof
You don't have to play me backwards to get the meaning of my verse
You don't have to try and go to hell to feel the devil's curse
I'll stand before your alter and tell everything I know
I've come to claim my childhood at the Chapel of Baby Rose.

Joan Baez, 1992 (CD: Ring Them Bells)

That was Part 1 of an interview with Lynne Moss-Sharman the Canada contact for ACHES-MC and also of The Stone Angels group in Thunder Bay. Next week we will continue this interview and talk more about ACHES-MC's current campaign to call for government investigation into mind control experiments on children. You can learn more about ACHES-MC through their website which is www.aches-mc.org

I would like to make a couple of announcements regarding these issues we are dealing with on this show. From October 1 to 3 in Atlanta, Georgia there were will be a conference called "Ritual Trauma, Child Abuse and Mind Control: a growing threat to national security." This is organized by ECLIPSE. ECLIPSE is Emancipating Children from Legal Injustice, Pornography and Sexual Exploitation and it is going to feature quite an impressive list of speakers including Walter Bowart, author of "Operation Mind Control", Dr. Charles Whitfield, author of "Trauma and Abuse", Ted Gunderson, a former FBI agent who investigated the McMartin case, Nick Begich, author of "Angels don't play this HAARP", Brice Taylor, a former presidential mind control slave and author of "Starshine, One woman's valiant escape from mind control", among many other speakers in Atlanta, Georgia. Also another gathering, more survivor oriented healing gathering in Elliot Lake, Ontario from October 3-5. This is organized by SOS&SA, survivors of sexual and spiritual abuse and there will be survivor panels covering topics on institutionalized child abuse, incest, ritual abuse and cults, sexual abuse by the clergy. There will be an opportunity to participate in holistic healing and ceremonies by Anishnabe Elders. For more information, you can contact SOS&SA at PO Box 147 Serpent River First Nation in Cutler, Ontario POP 1PO. You can get transcripts of previous shows on this mind control radio series here on The International Connection at the Mind Control Forum website www.mk.net/~mcf and look under the CKLN Radio Series title.

Wayne Morris:

Good morning and welcome to another edition of The International Connection here on CKLN 88.1. Today we are broadcasting show #26 in a series on mind control. We are going hear part 2 of an interview with Lynne Moss-Sharman, the Canadian contact for ACHES-MC, the Advocacy Committee for Human Experimentation Survivors - Mind Control and of The Stone Angels in Thunder Bay. Through her work with these organi- zations, she devotes her energies to act as an advocate for other survivors of ritual abuse and mind control. The Stone Angels publishes journals with information for survivors, and ACHES-MC is currently engaged in a campaign to call for an investigation into government mind control experimentation in the United States and Canada. Lynne alleges that she had been used in government mind control experiments involving tortures, electricity, sensory deprivation and sexual abuse. She has remembered names of doctors who are known to have been involved in the CIA's MKULTRA mind control project, such as Jose Delgado and Ewen Cameron. And now, the second part of that interview.

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

More people contacted The Stone Angels as more Native agencies and Native service providers started to get in touch with us. A lot of this happened on an individual basis as well. We began to see that there were certain reserves, certain areas where there were intergenerational satanic cults operating - and these are comprised of Ojibway or Ojibway-Cree people. I can only assume that the creation and the maintenance of these cults over the decades, or over generations. was a direct result of the missionary activities, the religion that was imported by the British and the French through the fur trade centuries ago, and certainly is a direct product of the residential school experience. There is known cult activity on Manitoulin Island and some survivors described wealthy, white people who were flown in from New York and California to take part in highly organized, highly sophisticated cult activity right on the Island. This is something that has been addressed within the Native community and across Canada there is research being carried out by Native people themselves. They know where the activity is taking place, and they are dealing with it in their way.

A group has formed in the Sault Ste. Marie/Cutler/Thessalon area, Survivors of Spiritual and Sexual Abuse. They are affiliated with Elders, and have recently received funding to sponsor intensive healing gatherings directed and run by Elders. They are quite prepared to provide any help or assistance at all to ritual abuse survivors, or survivors of mind control experimentation, Native or non-Native. There is a high level of awareness within the Native community itself about the extent of ritual, cult abuse practices and certainly people who work in the Native Child and Family agencies have come to find a lot of evidence of this kind of practice, a lot of children who have been damaged by it.

Wayne Morris:

What kinds of healing practices have been going on in the Native community? Has that been helpful in the recovery of Native survivors?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

I have been at healing gatherings, at sweat lodges, where Elders have gathered together and they usually know that there has to be a group of them who are going to work with ritual abuse survivors. They have had the most profound healing impact on survivors that I have seen. I often think that, personally, I wouldn't be alive if it hadn't been for the assistance of some Native Elders here in the Thunder Bay area. I am very grateful to them for what they have been able to do. They don't shy away from it, or deny it, or run away from it which is not something I can say about the non-Native healing community itself. There is a great deal of fear in the non-Native community. The fear isn't there in the majority of Elders. They see the direct equation to what has happened to so many of their people in the residential schools and within the prison system as well, and again because so many of the residential schools were also found in areas that were near military bases, either U.S. or Canada military bases (NORAD and the DEW Line certainly had an impact). We are starting to see a lot more evidence of mind control experimentation. I am assuming it is going to be the same CIA funded practices that were carried out on non-Native children, again in that non-military context.

Wayne Morris:

Lynne, I would like to talk to you about your own experiences with government mind control experimentation. How do you remember that you first got introduced to this?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

My father had been in the Canadian military, the Cape Breton Highlanders, from 1939-45. My mother was a war bride from Glasgow. They moved from Halifax to Toronto following my birth in 1947, and like many other men after the war, my father had the usual difficulty in finding work. My memories first began with memories of sexual abuse by my father, my uncle and a group of his army buddies who were also involved in the sexual exploitation of children. The memories always began with these men who were somehow associated with the military, and I am not sure how it escalated with my father. I am absolutely uncertain about how he came to play a role in this, and he will never talk to me. I do know he worked for General Electric in Toronto and that he belonged to something called The Pyramid Club. I met an adopted survivor, who is half Native, and she had been used in pedophilia in southern Ontario by her adoptive father who belonged to a group who went by this name as well.

Wayne Morris:

Do you know if your father was involved with any potential cults or ....

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

I have very distinct memories of cult rituals starting at a very early age. One of them was when living on Maria Street in Toronto. I have memories of a ritual ('forgiven by the blood') taking place near the slaughterhouse; churches outside of Hamilton and Toronto - different locations there; also being flown to different places as well, including an underground cult site called Stone Mountain, that was affiliated with the military. I remember being taken to Uplands Air Base in Ottawa as a child.

Wayne Morris:

Do you have any idea of how old you would have been when this took place?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

I have really distinct memories from age three onwards, and I have begun to piece together the memories about the experiments themselves bit by bit over the years.

Wayne Morris:

You have done a series of drawings that express your memories of government mind control experimentation which you have included in one of The Stone Angels journals and which I found to be very disturbing. Can you tell us how these drawings came about, and what they mean to you?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

The drawings were very puzzling to me for a long time. I found myself doing drawings of children who seemed to be wearing helmets, and there was always an electrical outlet nearby. There was always some kind of indication of electricity being used. Over time, I began to realize what I was trying to say with these drawings, because I was unable to say any of these things in words. It has only been in the past six or eight months that I am somewhat able to articulate what is contained in the drawings. There is one drawing that describes a series of memories I had about having my limbs dislocated at the shoulders and at the hips, and then being wrapped up with rolls of bandage to create a portable sensory deprivation unit, if you like. What was said about what was being done to me there was "First we break you, then we make you ..." I can remember looking at the drawing when I finally did it, and realizing that this was a very, very simple technique for anyone in the military ... not even necessarily in the military ... if someone wanted to begin the process of torture on an individual, they would be able to carry rolls of bandage as part of a first aid kit, or it could be as simple as carrying rolls of bandage in a brown paper bag ... and no one would know that you were about to begin breaking a person.

Wayne Morris:

And this is really exactly what the intention was of Dr. Cameron's projects at McGill were designed to do. He publicly stated that was what he wanted to do ... remove a person's personality. Totally break them down, rebuild them, put in a new personality according to their design.

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

Actually, not a new person per se, but a series of interlocked and interconnected personalities or components that could only be brought forward by key words or key phrases. Telephone programming - you were made to respond and made to be cued internally by the application of electricity and by different torture procedures, again as a child so that the telephone could be used very effectively. Again, it could be as simple as someone 1000 miles away wanting to make contact with that part of you, and all they have to do once the training had been completed, was to pick up the phone, give you a cue word, and then that component within yourself would be activated to follow through on any instructions or suppression of material they might want to implement at that time.

I have very distinct memories about different sensory deprivation techniques as well. There was a series of constructed rooms, some of which became smaller while you were in them. Other containers such as barrel shaped containers in which you were placed - your arms, legs, everything would be bound and you would be wrapped up that way and put inside a container. These are just the systematic techniques to begin isolating you. Then things accelerated to the use of Ewen Cameron's procedures. The song Home Home on the Range seems to be something that was used in my programming, and there was another experiment, again with the use of a helmet and tubes were placed over my arms so that I was unable to move my arms or my hands to defend myself, or have any tactile sense at all.

And there are also drawings of ... I remember being put in ... I had no idea what I was describing at the time, but I certainly knew what the effect and the impact was. There were chambers, and all I can remember is what I would call a huge coil at the end of the chamber and ... they ... I was put in there ... and then something happened, and it had to do with that coil, and I can remember wanting to rip the top of my skull off when I started to remember about being put in those chambers ... there were two of them, one was larger than the other ... I wanted to kill myself and rip the top of my skull off. I can't even put into words what the effect of those coils were.

I was part of some of the projects that were funded by the University of Rochester in the last part of the forties and early fifties. The three key research points in the funding triangle were Los Alamos, University of Rochester and Stanford University in California. Dr. Cameron certainly had an affiliation with those research groups which were conducted in secrecy in upper State New York. Another Canadian is Dr. George Estabrooks. There is a very worth-noting silence about Dr. Estabrooks. He was located at Colgate College in Hamilton, New York and he had a teaching affiliation with Oswego State Teacher's College. It is worth noting here that Oswego, N.Y., on Lake Ontario, was a major receiving site for Holocaust survivors and refugees. Those people deemed not well, psychologically or physically, were held at Fort Drum, about 35 miles from Oswego. George Estabrooks was born in Newfoundland, and Canadians can know that he was instrumental in creating the U.S. versions of the Manchurian Candidates. He had been in direct contact since 1937 with J. Edgar Hoover, and was affiliated with Jose Delgado, Martin Orne, Ewen Cameron and others -- with the practitioners of mind control and brainwashing experiments. There is a long-neglected history here that needs to be brought forward.

Wayne Morris:

Right, and he has published many writings of his own, detailing or giving some details of his work in trying to create Manchurian Candidates. Just for the benefit of listeners who may not be familiar with that term, it is using a person under the influence of mind control to commit assassination and many other military and espionage acts as we will get into later. Also to familiarize listeners with the work of Jose Delgado ... he was involved also in the same kind of work using radio control brain implants ...

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

... I don't even want to use the word "doctor" ... I will say torturer, Delgado, was one of the men who performed experimental procedures on me as well as Dr. Ewen Cameron. He had experimental sites constructed within a building -- one was called The Funhouse, the other was The Playhouse. I had been wired up to perform like a robot, like a puppet, and electricity was used to control my movements and actions. I was taken to a place that I can only recall as the "Land Vehicle Division" and the work that Jose Delgado was doing was somehow related to this military installation. Because I would have been taken there in a drugged state as a child, I am not sure of the location of that particular place, but I know it is Jose Delgado who has come up over and over again.

Wayne Morris:

Do you know what kinds of things the government has used you in, using mind control? What kind of operations were you involved in?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

In many cases it literally is to carry information and to be used for blackmail purposes and to be used in pedophilia among high-ranking people who either have to be brought into the fold or reminded of their place in the hierarchy. There are certainly the assassin programs, that is a very hard one to come to grips with inside yourself when you start to remember exactly what your hands have been taught to do. For example, I know how to scalp someone three different ways. Not a Betty Crocker Little Homemakers Oven trick is it?

There are many instances ... and Jonestown always comes up ... and the experimentation at Walla Walla Prison ... there seem to have been some assassin programs produced at Oakridge Penetentiary here in Ontario in the late 1960's and early 1970's under a programming and LSD experiment conducted by Dr. Elliott Barker in that institution. He is still practicing in the Midland area today.

I was used to blackmail a British scientist. It started in a faculty building dining room setting and then I found myself, as a child, in bed with this older man who was crying, and there was a camera trained on the bed, and he been drugged, I had been drugged as well ... and here I was a child, with of course no clothes on ... he had no clothes on ... and he was crying and crying about what was he going to tell his wife, what was he going to tell his wife ... (that was actually the least of his worries really) ... there were three people standing at the end of the bed, men dressed in women's clothes, and it had to do with one of the projects they were working on at that time, and this particular British researcher - it was essential that he become complicit in what they were going to carry out.

Wayne Morris:

Have you heard other accounts of children being used operationally for these sexual blackmail episodes?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

There are hundreds of stories like that. I think what I find - not just the sadism of these military researchers, these scientists - not just the sadism and their absolute total disregard for anything we would put under the definition of "human or humanity" - there seems to be a predilection among almost all of them for pedophilia with either male or female children, and that seems to be a common bond with them. There was also a lot of "gender blending", cross dressing at times in rituals or situations like the one above.

Wayne Morris:

What are some of the similiarities between the survivors accounts that you have come across with ACHES-MC and The Stone Angels?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

Some of the things that children who have been involved in ritual abuse describe is the use of cages, electricity, the use of drugs ... these are also things that come up in the production of pornography, in any investigation of the production of pornography itself. In the mind control experiments, again, the electricity is essential ... it has been refined over time. The use of drugging to obtain compliance or to literally experiment with children to see what the effect of certain drugs will be. The use of torture. The use of sensory deprivation. Psychic driving. The use of the children who were used in the mind control experimentation to carry secrets, to be used for pedophilia to blackmail certain individuals in the research and military community so that their compliance is gained. Proximity to military bases or nuclear reactors ... in the U.S. and in Canada. When I look at a map of Ontario for example, I can pinpoint clusters of survivors who grew up in communities where there were military bases or nuclear power plants ...

Wayne Morris:

You were aware of other people, other survivors, being around other people who were being experimented upon. Were these for the most part children, or a mixture of men and women.

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

There were babies, female and male children, female and male adults. The survivors that I am personally am most in contact with because they are the ones I share the most with are the child survivors of experimentation, and there are certainly many survivors who were introduced to these experimental technologies and this torture as adults at different colleges or universities, or in prisons, or the military itself. I guess I am thinking it is easier to believe that a prisoner or an adult was subjected to mind control experimentation because we have seen a published and a broadcast history of what was done to adults. It is really essential that the child survivors' stories are brought forward, and that as a society we understand the depth and the length that the research institutions in Canada and the USA ... the length and the depth they will sink, and go to, to devise more and more refined techniques so they can brainwash the populace.

Wayne Morris:

Through your memories of the time when you had undergone these experiments, what is your sense of how many other people were involved in being experimented on at that time?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

I was taken to laboratory settings where people had been held for a long time. I saw evidence of children having been born in these laboratory settings ...

Wayne Morris:

And they were being used as well?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

Yes, and the genetic experimentation that was going on ... I remember being in one place in the fifties and there were what I call "Torso Babies" ... they had little babies, they had beards, and they didn't have any arms and legs ... and when I did the drawings, all I could call them was the "Torso Babies". A friend, who is a nurse, looked at them and said "omigod, that must have been something like thalidomide being used that way" in these hidden laboratories. I know that some of the survivors who have come forward talked about having been given different drug regimes when they were eight or nine years old to bring puberty on ... so that they were able to become reproductive much earlier than they normally would have. They have been very damaged by what was done to them at age eight or nine in terms of their genetic makeup and some are unable or unwilling to have children themselves.

Wayne Morris:

What is the role of the various kinds of druggings they had used within the experimentation?

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hunkahunka

23-11-2009, 07:14 PM

Lynne Moss-Shaman interview continued:

Wayne Morris:

What is the role of the various kinds of druggings they had used within the experimentation?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

That is a huge question. To make someone unconscious and therefore malleable is one. I think they were also experimenting to see which of the drugs would make someone more susceptible to brainwashing. Probably efficiency is a word I could use. Time management, cost efficient. Which drug is going to make it easier and quicker to begin the brainwashing process, to begin the patterning that needs to take place. And genetic alteration was a big factor ... along with radiation experiments. I believe cross breeding was taking place, animal and human matings. And if you look at the list of research projects documented at University of Rochester during that time period ... when you see an experiment described as being done with rats, or cats, or monkeys ... try inserting the word infant, child, adult human in some cases ... the CIA scientists would never have listed human beings as research subjects for the procedures they were carrying out on primates etc.

There is some parallel research going on in Canada in the Native community itself as well ... when I look at the electric chair that was constructed at the Fort Albany residential school up by Moosonee, where the children were put in that electric chair and made to jump and squirm with electricity for the "entertainment of the visiting dignarities" ... that was back in the 1950's. I am really wondering what role the military mind control experimentation has played in what has happened to the Native community across Canada. I have memories of being in one place where, there was an Inuit woman who had a very small infant with her and her head had been shaved. I am wondering what happened to some of the patients who were sent down to Southern Ontario or across the border into the States for tuberculosis treatment in the fifties and sixties ...

Wayne Morris:

How has the process of healing been for you?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

It's been a really long one, and I guess ... at some point there is a fragmentation that occurs is irreversible and absolutely devastating. As you enter into each of the levels of programming, your body remembers everything that was ever done to you. So physicall, you are almost in whiplash sometimes when your body begins to remember the insertion of certain things whether it was the doctor's penis, or whether it was a fine metal wire ... you begin to remember what it felt like when they began to turn the coil on when you were in the chamber. You begin to remember what you felt like when they put you in the chair and strapped down your hands and your ankles and put the electrodes on you. You begin to remember what it is like to be made to walk and function like a robot in a room where there were scientists looking down over the top of the small constructed room that they called The Playhouse, and they told you to go into The Playhouse and as a child you thought it was going to be a play-house ... and instead it was just an experimental laboratory ... sort of like a doll's house with no roof on the house ... and they watched you and used their remote control devices and their electricity to make you do what they wanted.

Wayne Morris:

How did you begin remembering the memories of experimentation and torture? What was going on in your life at the time?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

I think things really began to break through at a time of personal crisis in my life. I know that many survivors have had the process of memory recovery begin ... sometimes a car accident, or a physical trauma like a rape, or another kind of traumatic event started their process. Mine was being in an extremely abusive personal relation- ship with someone and it ended up being the last of a series of degrading, for myself, interpersonal relationships. And I really just bottomed out and could not function, and some friends took me to get some help.

Wayne Morris:

And was that when you were first introduced to the therapist you have been working with.

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

Yes. And neither she nor I were cognizant at the time of what was to come in the therapeutic process over the ensuing years. Things started off fairly simply -- generically in a sense. I began dealing with different incidents with my father and uncle, some of my father's military friends. Over time I began having fragments of other more puzzling memories of being in hospital settings, memories of being in cages, electricity. I guess it is important to emphasize that my process, which is similar to many other survivors, was a very fragmentary one. I would get initially a glimpse of a setting, a glimpse of someone's face, but as I got the visual memory, or the fragment of the memory, I would have intense body pain and I would be unable to speak. I couldn't tell my therapist what I was remembering, or what was happening. So there was a very very long and intense series of acting things out for her ... I was absolutely non-verbal, incapable of telling her what I was remembering. There was a lot of abreacting, and sometimes writing or drawing, sometimes hiding myself under her coffee table, wrapping myself up in her throw rug on the floor of her office, sometimes pinning myself against the wall, or hiding in the corner. Using the electrical outlet on the wall, pretending to put my fingers into it, to somehow transmit to her that there were electrical currents coming into my body.

Wayne Morris:

And when you say abreacting, that means to be re-living that experience once again ...

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

Yes. In that process, your body literally takes on the position that you found yourself in, or you will intensely feel the pain in certain parts of your body, as if it were taking place right at that minute again.

Wayne Morris:

This seems to be the nature of remembering traumatic experience ... in that it does come back more like a body memory and a lot of survivors have said that they have felt the actual pain or the physical effects of what had been done to them ... the actual marks on the body will reappear during remembering.

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

I didn't have any of that happening (marks), but I did find myself in physical positions that I would be absolutely incapable of putting myself into in my everday existence. It's really hard to describe. The contortions that my body went into, and the spasms -- I literally would have spasms as my body remembered the electricity. I can remember another time sitting there and pounding and pounding my legs, as if I was going to break the bones in my legs, with strength I would never experience, again, in my day-to-day existence. So the therapeutic process is a long one for those very reasons. It is extremely wearing physically to be able to allow yourself in the safety of your therapist's office to try and somehow convey to her what was done to you.

Wayne Morris:

How did your therapist go about conducting the sessions with you?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

She was very, very good right from the start. I honestly didn't know what was going on. I was finding myself collapsing out in the street, finding myself phoning hospitals because I was reliving memories of being in hospitals, and I had programming that was telling me to go back to the hospital. At certain points I used to beg her to send me to a hypnotist in Toronto or in Ottawa, or wherever a competent hypnotist would be. She really gently sort of didn't dissuade me from it, because all the decisions that were made were my own, and continue to be my own, but she was also very firm and said that she didn't think hypnosis would be a good idea based on the intensity of the physical reactions that I was having as I brought the memories forward -- that hypnosis might be literally more than my body could handle. If I was going to be overwhelmed and flooded by hypnosis with a huge quantity of memories -- it would literally be very hard on my body. What she recommended was that we just go really slowly so that I was able to deal with things just a bit at a time, one step at a time, so that my body, my spirit, my psyche, my "self" was able to process and begin to understand how the different memories were actually linked together.

She has also been very kind and very careful to never give me any information in writing, or any spoken information. The relationship I have had with her has been one of her acting as my witness ... and as a person in whom I have been able to ... for the first time in my life ... establish a relationship of trust. It has never been my experience where she was giving me articles or books. She has never once said "this sounds like" or "this may be" -- it has been, and it still is, the relationship outlined by Judith Lewis Herman, the trauma specialist at Harvard University -- where the most important thing that a survivor of any childhood trauma needs is someone to be a confidential and respectful witness to the story that needs to be told by that person.

Wayne Morris:

So she never used hypnosis or drugs on you ...

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

Nothing. Nothing. And because she was able to go slowly, and carefully, and respectfully with me, I was able to avoid any psychiatric intervention. There were many, many times when I did want to, literally, erase myself from life and go into a psychaitric ward, go into a psychiatric hospital. I did want drugs to make what I was remembering and feeling easier to bear. But I never did do that. There were lots of times when I wanted to drink or do drugs as well as a means of escaping the pain of remembering what had happened, and I never did do that either. I give a lot of credit to her competency and her skills as a therapist that I was able to continue in therapy, and I am still in therapy today, without having to escape into any articial intervention, or any destructive intervention. Because I could have ended up being one of those recipients of electroshock, I could have ended up being one of those persons who were chemically lobotomized. There has certainly been an escalation in both of those things in the past few years in Ontario.

Wayne Morris:

Absolutely. Now when you started remembering the names of the doctors and the places of the experimentation, were you familiar with the history of CIA mind control experiments through what had been published.

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

No. I had absolutely no knowledge of any of these experiments or any of the information involved. And I think it's really important to say something about how I remembered the names, or how I remembered places. It's not like a cartoon flash coming up in your mind, "Oh, that's Dr. so-and-so" or "Oh, that's the place I was taken to..." I have binders and binders and binders of my journals. When I started remembering things, and I am going back to remembering my father, my uncle, my father's military friends ... when I started remembering the incest when I lived in Toronto on Maria Street as a small child and then in Hamilton, up on the mountain ... I wrote and I wrote and I wrote ... night after night. I had something I called my "secret code writing" as well that came at a certain time. After a certain point, I found myself writing things that were not familiar to me at all, and there were names in there ... a Dr. Hamilton, a Dr. Green, a Dr. Hendricks as well, I don't know who that is ... I found myself writing down names and words and phrases that had absolutely no meaning to me at all. And it was quite a few years before some of the things I had written began to have some meaning. The fragmentary fashion in which I wrote these things down too ... they were not really intelligible. My handwriting would change as different parts of myself came forward to write things down and that's how my drawings came as well. I ended up doing a series of drawings for ten months ... although I had never been able to draw more than a stick figure in my life ... and once the drawings "came through" for that ten month period I was unable to draw again after that series of drawings came out.

I don't know how to put into words ... I am not sure how to put into words ... about how fragmented the therapeutic or the memory process is. It's as fragmented as the fragmentation that was deliberately induced by these scientists, by these doctors, by these CIA funded "workers" when they put electricity on me, or when they put the electrodes on, or when they put the helmet on me, or when they put me in the different sensory deprivation containers. They were ensuring that what was being done to me at that time was being fragmented into a certain neuropathway, and so as the memories came, they came in a fragmented fashion as well. This isn't like a lightbulb going off in your head ... "Oh yes, now I remember!" You go through years of getting little bits of information about the same event and finally, you do get to the point where you can "re-enter" the hospital setting. You can "re-enter" the military setting. You can "re-enter" the pedophile setting, after having spent years and years of an indescribable amount of physical and emotional pain as the fragments leaked through.

Wayne Morris:

And did you visit these places in an attempt to verify your memories in terms of validating the existence of the places themselves and the people that ...

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

No. And I live in Thunder Bay and I have been on welfare on and off for 17 years. I am on disability now. I do my laundry in a bucket. I go to food banks sometimes. I don't travel anywhere. My biggest wish would be that I could go to upper state New York, that I could go to Oswego, Rochester, Hamilton, N.Y. to Colgate College. I want to go to Annapolis, Maryland. I want to go with someone that I trust and I want to take a videocamera and I want to go back to these places, because I know that I have a voice, or voices, inside me that are going to be able to describe very accurately what was done, when I visit the places. I have been able now, in the past year, to find some photographs of sites. I was given the yearbook from the Oswego State Teachers College from the 1950's, and I was able to identify, without the names, the two psychologists in the Psychology Department there, who were involved. There is one location in one of the buildings ... I know that was one of the places where I was taken.

I have gathered lots of information in the past year, and I can certainly verify some things, but I would give anything to be able to go back physically to these places and take this process to the next level.

Wayne Morris:

When did you start finding out that what happened to you may have been part of the CIA and US government's military experimental programs? How did that realization take place?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

It was actually on New Year's Day 1996. A friend had given me a computer the summer before, and another friend gave me a modem so I could get on internet, and another friend gave me a year's hookup on internet so that I could begin contacting other people and finding information. On 11pm at night, on New Year's Day, I, by accident found a speech that Walter Bowart had given in 1994 or 1995 in Texas. His speech mentioned something about funding at University of Rochester, Navy funding, something called Project Chatter in 1952. I literally went into shock at the computer. My daughter and her boyfriend were both there, and apparently I went into spasms and my daughter's boyfriend was going to call an ambulance. My reaction to reading those words apparently really, really strong. What had happened was, I had a drawing. It was a child with a helmet on, and I had written "Chatter" underneath it. There were actually a series of drawings about these helmets, and the sound programming that we were made to endure. I felt very alone with all this. I thought I was crazy, to be honest, for a long time. And here I am sitting there reading, "Project Chatter, Navy funding, 1952". Following that someone gave me some information that Valerie Wolf and Claudia Mullen and Chris Denicola had testified in Washington, and when I read that, that was a huge turning point, especially Claudia Mullen's, because I had remembered Ewen Cameron. The cages, the electricity. Chris talked about the same table I had already remembered, and gone through that. There were so many similarities, particularly in Claudia's testimony. That was a huge turning point. I did phone Valerie Wolf, and I got her address, and when I realized that she was Canadian and had gone to McMaster University in Hamilton where I grew up, that was another sort of curious synchronicity.

I did send my drawings to Valerie in New Orleans, and I asked her if she would just take a look at them, and see if anything I had drawn was similar to anything she had been told by her clients. She phoned back to say that Claudia Mullen had looked at my drawings, and Claudia was able to identify the doctors' portraits that I had drawn. I can't put names to these "portraits". Claudia and Valerie won't tell me the names because they don't want to contaminate my memory process.

I actually didn't even show them to my therapist for about ten months after I had finished most of them. I felt I had no conscious connection to these drawings at all, and I finally just went into her office one day and really dismissively just sort of tossed this stack of drawings to her ... and said, "you might find some of these interesting." It was the only time I had ever seen, a sort of "emotional" reaction on her face (laughs) -- I think she was really really shocked at what she saw -- but again, she was really respectful. That part of me was ready to sort of hand over the drawings to her. There was a lot of pain, and a lot of work ahead of me in terms of having to go through more abreactive processing about these drawings that I consciously "had nothing to do with". It's a very complicated process, this memory retrieval.

I don't think I will ever live to see the kind of verification or validation of everything that is in my journals, or everything that is in my drawings. And I would imagine that most of the files that my drawings are referring to around 1952 to 1955-56 -- I would imagine most of those CIA files are among those that were destroyed because those drawings are very damning, very damning indeed.

Wayne Morris:

They are extremely moving to look at, and depict such horrific experimentation. Can you tell us what some of the recent activities ACHES-MC have been?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

A group of survivors, and advocates, and professionals were able to meet at the Believe the Children Conference in Chicago in April of 1997. At that time, we began documenting statements from survivors and the professionals involved on videotape and we have now sent a videoletter to President Clinton with a copy to Prime Minister Chretien, asking for a Presidential Hearing and the declassification of government records relating to mind control experiments conducted on unwitting children and adults funded by the United States government through the CIA from the 1940's onward.

That videodocument is now in their hands, and we haven't heard anything back at this point in time. Basically we are now lobbying and pressuring for a formal hearing to begin on the mind control experimentation.

Wayne Morris:

What sort of form of hearings do you envision or you would like to see? Or what are the possibilities of different types of hearings?

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

I am not entirely familiar with how the process for the Human Radiation Experiments was conducted in the United States. I understand there were travelling hearings though that would be similar to other commissions that have been conducted in Canada and the United States. I am assuming that the travelling hearing process would be the most successful, and the most productive. If a Committee can be constructed, and if they can go to different centres in the United States, and again, in Canada, that it would then become possible for survivors and for their therapists and other persons involved, to be able to attend the hearings and present their information.

And I would certainly assume that there would be some travel monies made available to survivors so that they would be able to attend and present. But I am certainly hoping that there is going to be a North American hearing ultimately ... and that the Canadian survivors who have been affected by the CIA experiments are going to have an opportunity to present their histories as fully as possible.

Wayne Morris:

I want to thank you very much, Lynne, for speaking here with us at CKLN. I know it takes incredible courage in speaking out, more than any of our listeners can imagine.

Lynne Moss-Shaman:

It's a struggle. I want to thank you too on behalf of survivors and people working in the field, for what you have taken on with this radio series. No one else has done it, and I want to thank you.

We have been listening to an interview with Lynne Moss-Sharman, the Canadian contact for ACHES-MC, the Advocacy Committee for Human Experimentation Survivors of Mind Control. To support the ACHES-MC current campaign for a government investigation into mind control experimentation on children and adults, you can send your letters of support to Prime Minister Chretien and President Clinton. I would quickly like to make an announcement about an upcoming conference regarding these issues. From October 1 to 3, 1997 in Atlanta, Georgia there will be a conference about ritual trauma, child abuse and mind control. Call ECLIPSE for more information.

soulja

23-11-2009, 08:43 PM

To underline the points made in my first witchcraft/network/illuminati post, here some more influental witches.

Rosemary Ellen Guiley

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Photo is taken at the Symposium of the Transylvanian Society of Dracula,
University of Toronto, June 2005

is an author of books on the paranormal and supernatural. She has written 41 books, 8 encyclopedias and hundreds of articles on a wide range of paranormal, spiritual and mystical topics.

Her work has been translated into 14 languages and has been selected by major book clubs around the world. She appears in television programs, documentaries and films with paranormal themes, and makes numerous media and lecture appearances, including colleges and universities. She is an occational guest on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory, and is the featured paranormal expert with a monthly report on the Richard Syrett Show, Toronto, and Scott Colburn's Exploring Unexplained Phenomena, Lincoln, Nebraska.

She is a columnist for TAPS Paramagazine, a consulting editor of FATE Magazine, an associate editor of JAR, the Journal of Abduction-Encounter Research, and a blogger for the Arts & Entertainment blog site, Paranormal Insider. She is a member of the League of Paranormal Gentlemen, a team of paranormal investigators that work for Spooked Productions on docu-dramas about paranormal cases. Guiley makes frequent first-hand investigations of haunted places, and is a featured investigator and presenter at many TAPS haunted weekend events, featuring Jason Hawes and Grant Wilson. She is the Maryland representative for John Zaffis's Paranormal Research Society of New England, which focuses on negative haunting problems.

Guiley holds a BA in Communications from the University of Washington, Seattle. Prior to becoming self-employed as an author, she worked as a news journalist, magazine editor, and internal communications editor for IBM. In 2001 she obtained a PhD from the International Institute for Integral Human Sciences, in recognition for her work in the field. Visionary Living, Inc., formed in 2000, is her umbrella company for her publishing and media work. Guiley lives in Maryland near Baltimore.

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Dressed all black, black stone ring, serpent spiral ring, lizard earing.

Dorothy Morrison

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Black, roses.

Dorothy Morrison is an award winning American author and teacher of Wicca and Neo-Paganism. An author of more than twelve books on Witchcraft and associated subjects, she is a member of the Pagan Poet’s Society and has contributed many articles to leading magazines and journals. A teacher for more than 25 years, her practical down-to-earth approach to Witchcraft has inspired many on their paths to the Craft of the Wise.

Born in Texas on the 06th May 1955, her father was a small town Deputy Sheriff and later Chief of Police in Houston. Ancestrally through her mother Laura Belle Potter, Dorothy claims to be a direct descendant of William the Conqueror (William I - 1027-1087, King of England from 1066-87), and Robert the Bruce of Scotland (Robert I - 1274-1329, King of Scotland from 1306-29), plus various doctors, lawyers, ministers and other prominent people including: a Kentucky Governor, the first Poet Laureate of Texas and a charter member of the famous Texas Rangers.

Another bloodline Witch to add to the growing list. Also to note, her being a award winning author on wicca and paganism. The path of the wise you see.

As a child Dorothy grew up a tomboy, and able to ride a horse before she could walk, this was mainly due to her father who was a keen outdoorsman and horse rider. As an early member of the “Texas Trail Ride Association” he was naturally proud of his daughters riding abilities, particularly when at the age of just two years old, she was featured in a photo shoot for the Western Horseman magazine. Her father was also a keen mathematician and criminologists. He served in law enforcement for over forty years, and was one of the first Chief’s of Police in Texas to admit African-Americans and Hispanic police officers on the force.

Coming from a Catholic family, her junior schooling was spent at a Catholic school, during which time she consider becoming a nun herself. However, by the time she was ready for high school, the era of the swinging 60’s was well advanced and the Catholic Church was seriously at odds with the rest of society.

The catholic background is another recurring theme with many witches. According to springmeier, many generational occult families will use a christian front to hide behind. It's also common that mk'd people will have a christian alter.

One of her books, the award winning one, caught my attention.
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turns out this book is about how to cast curses and hexes.

Dorothy and her ruby slippers. i went to her website and found the same motive being sold on coffee mugs, in her Flying Monkey Express. Which is the name of the merchandise section.
http://www.dorothymorrison.com/MerchandiseDM.html

She writes: No truer words were ever written, for no one could foresee the magnitude of Dorothy's great journey, or the turning point it would make in her life. But not even the Great Oz, himself - knew that one day, those ruby red slippers would grow a set of 4" heels, and wind up on the feet of another Witch: the feet of Dorothy Morrison!

The next motive shows just the slippers accompanied by the words: look who's got the red shoes now....Bitch!

Morrison additionaly wrote: Ah...who'd have thought it?! Those ruby red slippers finally grew up - and so did the little girl sporting them! What's more, she's even learned to state her case firmly and simply...and without so much as one "golly...gee." This mug is truly for the woman who knows what she wants, knows what it takes to get it, and is willing to plow through hell and half of Kansas to get it.

With her bloodline and the fact that she's a bestselling and influental witch, i'm not really suprised about the Oz themes found on her site. It's just another little detail that 'fits'

Patricia “Trish” Telesco

is a well known American author, herbalist, poet, lecturer and Wiccan High Priestess. She is also a trustee for the Universal Federation of Pagans, a member of the Authors Guild, a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism and a member of the Wiccan-Pagan Press Alliance. She has written more than 60 books on subjects ranging from self-help cookbooks to magick, folklore and global religions, and her articles have appeared such notable publications as: Cosmo, Woman’s World Magazine, Complete Woman Magazine, Publisher's Weekly, Circle Network News, Pan Gaia and Sagewoman.

Another Witch author and member of various organisations. I'm not sure i believe she really wrote 60 books on her own though? that's a lot of books to write even without all the other activities and organisations she's involved in. But if she didn't write them who did? here's a list of the books she wrote btw:
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Trish was born Marian Singer in 1960 and raised in a Lutheran household. After spending five years as a Pentecostal missionary singing on gospel tours in Quebec, during her time at college she became an agnostic. After leaving college she ending up in Boston, Massachusetts, having psychic experiences, such like object reading, touching people’s jewellery and seeing images. Fortunately while there, she met a shaman (who eventually became her husband) and a cabalist who diagnosed her symptoms as those of a natural psychic. They explained the uses of energy and showed her the way home to what she calls folk-magick.

Trish is self-trained and self-initiated, but later received initiation into the Strega tradition of Italy (Tempio della Stregheria). She defines her own form of folk-magick as: “the blending of superstition and lore (folklore being the place where various magickal traditions found a safe haven during years of political correctness) into a functional system of magick. As an example: one bit of lore says red is scary to certain mischievous fairies, so if I were being bothered by that kind of Fey, I would use a red amulet.”

Trish travels regularly throughout the country giving lectures and workshops on various aspects of witchcraft and magick, and has appeared at many of the major events in the New Age/Neo-Pagan calander such as the Starwood Festival and the Pagan Spirit Gathering. She has appeared on several television programmes, including: Sightings – on multi-cultural divination systems, the Debra Duncan Show – on modern Wicca, and on National Geographic Today – on Solstice Celebrations. She has also given radio interviews all across the USA.

Jenet Farrar

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Since their initiation into witchcraft by Alex Sanders in February 1970, and starting their own coven in December the same year. Janet and Stewart Farrar have done much to make Wicca and the pagan way available to the public. Their books have become classics in their own time, and over the years through faultless and diligent hard work, they became England’s most eminent and respected modern day witches. After the death of Stewart Farrar on the 7th February 2000, Janet married their family friend and business partner Gavin Bone on the 5th May 2001. Together they continue to work on promoting and explaining the craft to those who would want to hear.

To date they have authored eleven books and have been published around the world.

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They are active members in The Aquarian Tabernacle Church Ireland and have links with several covens in the United States, Australia and New Zealand and Europe. They have formed an exclusive partnership with Sacred Mists to further their teaching in order to allow a broader audience to participate in their educational opportunities. They run a progressive coven in Ireland called Coven Na Callaighe, a part of Teampall Na Callaighe, which includes as an open worship group.

Their current practical work is in the areas of Spiritism and Trance Prophesy. Janet is also a professional Tarot Reader and Gavin, an Empathic Spiritual Healer.
http://www.workingwitches.com/

Gavin Frost

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born in Aldridge, Staffordshire, England, is an occult author, a Wiccan Priest, a doctor of Physics and Mathematics, and a prominent member of the American Wiccan community. In 1952, Gavin graduated from King's College London with honors, gaining a Bachelor of Science degree in Mathematics, and after completing his post doctoral thesis with the Department of Atomic Energy in Cumbria, he received a Doctorate in Physics & Mathematics. He founded the Church and School of Wicca with his wife Yvonne Frost in 1968, and he is currently the Archbishop of the Church of Wicca and a director of the School of Wicca. He and his wife have written several books on magic, Wicca, and related subjects such as The Magic Power of Witchcraft.

He has appeared on national television's Phil Donahue Show, PM Magazine, Tom Snyder's Tomorrow Show and others, at many events serving the Neo-Pagan community such as Stones Rising, Sirius Rising, Pagan Pride Day, and the Starwood Festival, and in newspaper and magazine articles across the United States.

Professional career in the areospace industry

After he received his Doctorate, Frost left Cumbria and moved to Hatfield near London and took a research position with the de Havilland Aircraft Corporation investigating the effects of long wave infrared radiation on missiles. His next position was with Canadair in Montreal, first working on the Canadian missile program, then joining their Training and Simulation group, a position that allowed him to travel around the world. After moving to California, Frost became the senior project engineer working on the military F-104 radar systems.

History with Witchcraft

Frost was initiated in 1951 at The Nine Maidens; the stone circle site in Boskednan, Cornwall. After his initiation, his position with the de Havilland Aircraft Corporation placed him in the vicinity of Salisbury Plain, where he investigated the ancient monoliths of Stonehenge and the people who built them, furthering his interest in ancient peoples and the origins of the Old Religion. While with Canadair, a trip to Chile gave him the opportunity to spend four days in a remote village exploring their religious beliefs and experiencing first-hand the powers of healing as practised by their shamans. While working in California, a trip to Milan, Italy allowed him to do some research into the truths and fiction that surrounds Charles G. Leland’s Aradia: Gospel of the Witches. In 1966 he relocated to Munich, Germany as a company representative, and became fascinated in the subject of German sorcery. He joined a group of Zauberers (Zauberer - German for magician, sorcerer, wizard) operating in der Bayrischen Naehe just south of Munich, and became an initiate and qualified to receive and don their Saffron Robe. The Frosts founded the Church and School of Wicca in 1968, but it took years before it became the first Federally recognized Wiccan church in 1972; operating first in Missouri, then in North Carolina, and now centered in West Virginia. They stepped down as active leaders of the Church in 1980, but continue as clergy and as heads of the School of Wicca to this day.

Eleanor Ray Bone

Eleanor Ray Bone “Matriarch of British Witchcraft” was one of Gerald Gardner’s High Priestesses, and played an important part in the revival of contemporary Wicca/Witchcraft. She claimed to have been initiated into a hereditary coven in Cumbria, and later formed her own coven in South London. During the early 1960’s and 70’s she was responsible for initiating some of the early prominent leaders of the craft, including: Prudence Jones, Vivianne and Chris Crowley, Madge and Arthur Worthington and authors John and Kathy (Caitlen) Matthews.

Eleanor was the daughter of a Girls School Headmistress (name unknown, but died in 1942), and was born in London in 1911. From her mother she naturally received a good and varied education, but an experience in early childhood caused her to question her faith, Eleanor explained why in a later interview:

“I've held unorthodox views on religion since 8 when my cat died. I was very upset and cried when I asked the Vicar whether the creature had gone to heaven; he replied that animals did not go there. This comment did not sit well with me and I began to read the Golden Bough and became interested in folklore”.

Nothing more about her early life is known at this time, until at the start of World War II in 1939, she went to work in Cumbria in the North of England and came under the care of an elderly couple. One evening after work, conversation fell to reincarnation and Eleanor mentioned her belief in it, at which the couple revealed themselves to be hereditary witches. Later in August 1941 the couple initiated Eleanor into their coven of Traditional Witchcraft. Over the next four years Eleanor practised and learned from them before returning to London at the end of the war in 1945.

What a coincidence that the elderly couple who took her under 'care' just happened to be hereditary witches. Too bad almost nothing is known about her mother, the headmistress of a girlsschool. I believe her mother was a witch and part of the illuminati. eleanor will have been trained to be a witch since her early childhood, the elderly couple were witches her mother knew through the occult network (illuminati) she send eleanor there to further her witch training. Or maybe her mother died and the Cult elders decided that she lives with the couple. Note how she said she read the Golden Bough after her cat died. She was 8 at that time and read the Golden Bough? That Golden Bough?

William Butler Yeats makes reference to it in his poem, "Sailing to Byzantium." H. P. Lovecraft mentions the book in his short story "The Call of Cthulhu." T. S. Eliot acknowledged indebtedness to Frazer in his first note to his poem The Waste Land. William Carlos Williams references it as well in Book Two, part two, of his extended poem in five books, Paterson. James Joyce, Ernest Hemingway, D. H. Lawrence, Aleister Crowley, Ezra Pound, Mary Renault, Joseph Campbell, Naomi Mitchison (in her The Corn King and the Spring Queen), and Camille Paglia are but a few authors deeply influenced by The Golden Bough.
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So the supposedly catholic Headmistress had this book at home, and her 8 year old daughter read it because her cat died? sure..

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By day a matron of an old folks home - By night a High Priestess of a witches coven

In London, Eleanor was accomplishing much the same in her own way, she was always willing to pose for photographers or give interviews to authors, journalists and researchers. She was motivated not out of personal gain or recognition, but simply trying to represent Wicca in a positive light. Her sincere hope was that modern society would eventually accept Wicca as a legitimate religion, equal alongside other religions like Christianity and Buddhism etc.

In June 1964 Eleanor invited a newspaper photographer to photograph parts of a secret initiation ceremony held in a remote cottage deep in Locket Wood, Hertfordshire. Initiations at the cottage were always conducted skyclad (naked)…

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After years of living with the hustle and bustle of London, Eleanor retired in 1972 and moved back to the peace and quite of Cumbria. There she took up residence in the tiny village of Alston, located high up in the North Pennines. Alston at 1000 feet above sea level, is one of the highest market village settlements in England, and is 20 miles away from its nearest town of Hexham. It is also very remote, but situated in a landscape designated as an “Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. Not surprisingly in such a setting Eleanor returned to practicing the old country ways of magic she had learnt during the war.

soulja

23-11-2009, 08:47 PM

Rosaleen norton
(rosaleen = rose line, lineage)

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Roie grew up as solitary child, instinctively feeling different she remained aloof from other girls her age. Her favorite time was the night, and from an early age began to experience strange psycho/spiritual fantasies of mystical ghouls and spirits. At school she particularly liked to draw, but the pictures she created were imitable of her nightly fantasies. The drawing she produced soon got her into trouble, disturbing classmates and teachers. At the age of 14 when attending the Chatswood Girls Grammar School, the headmistress of the school declared her drawings “a corrupting influence on other pupils” and expelled her.

Roie next attended the East Sydney Technical College, where she studied Art under the noted sculptor Raynor Hoff. While her main interest was art, she was encouraged by friends in college to develop her talent for writing, and had several macabre stories published in the popular Australian newspaper, Smith's Weekly. This led to her first job as an illustrator and reporter in training. However, her drawings were judged to be to risqué and unconventional for the majority of the papers readers, so she lost the job after just 8 months.

Out of regular employment, Roie survived working part-time as a waitress and bartender, as well as modeling for Norman Lindsay a fellow artist and close friend whose early drawings were both controversial and notorious, and to which her own work was often compared. She was also researching psychology, magic and metaphysics, studying in depth the writings of Carl Jung and William James, and occultists like Eliphas Levi, Madam Blavatsky, Dion Fortune and Aleister Crowley.

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In 1935, Roie met and married a man called Beresford Lionel Conroy, and together they spent the next few years traveling around Australia's East Coast. They appear to have separated during the war years, and all that is known of Conroy, is that he spent two years serving in Northern New Guinea as a Commando in the A.I.F. After his return from the war, he and Roie divorced.

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here's some more art from her:
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Margot Adler

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is an author, journalist, lecturer, Wiccan priestess and radio journalist and correspondent for National Public Radio (NPR) Though born in Little Rock, Arkansas, Adler grew up mostly in New York City. Her grandfather, Alfred Adler, is considered the father of individual psychology.

Adler received a bachelor of arts in political science from the University of California, Berkeley and a master's degree from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism in New York in 1970. She was a Nieman Fellow at Harvard University in 1982

Adler first worked for WBAI, FM 99.5, the Pacifica Radio outlet in New York City. She created the talk shows Hour of the Wolf in 1972 (still on the air as hosted by Jim Freund) and later Unstuck in Time.

Adler joined NPR in 1979 as a general assignment reporter, after spending a year as an NPR freelance reporter covering New York City, and has since worked on a great many pieces dealing with subjects as diverse as the death penalty, the right to die movement, the response to the war in Kosovo, computer gaming, the drug ecstasy, geek culture, children and technology, and Pokémon. Since 9/11, she has focused much of her work on stories exploring the human factors in New York City, from the loss of loved ones, homes and jobs, to work in the relief effort. She was the host of Justice Talking up until the show ceased production on July 3, 2008. She is a regular voice on Morning Edition and All Things Considered. She is also co-producer of an award-winning radio drama, War Day.

Adler is the author of Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers, and Other Pagans in America Today, which was revised in 2006. The book is considered a watershed in American Neopagan circles, as it provided the first comprehensive look at modern nature-based religions in the US. For many years it was the only introductory work about the American Neopagan communities. Her second book, Heretic's Heart: A Journey Through Spirit and Revolution, was published by Beacon Press in 1997.

Adler is a Wiccan priestess in the Gardnerian tradition, an elder in the Covenant of the Goddess, and she also participates in the Unitarian Universalist faith community.

The CoG was started by Kirk White, who amongst countless other things, is a mason. Oh and what wiki failed to mention is Adler's membership in Phi Beta Kappa. I also wanna remind that we have yet another famous witch who comes from an elite family background, wrote well known books on wicca & paganism, and is educated and involved in journalism.

Paddy Slade

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Paddy Slade is a hereditary Witch or a village Wise Women in the traditional Old English sense. She is the author of: the Encyclopedia of White Magic (January 1990), Natural Magic: A Seasonal Guide (November 1990), Seasonal Magic: Diary of a Village Witch (November 2001) and Tales Round the Cauldron (May 2004).

Paddy was born Patricia Harlow near Canterbury in Kent on the 29th September 1931. Her father Robert Hadlow was a sailor in the Merchant Navy, and while away at sea his wife Rose raised their family of seven children. Patricia as the youngest in the family and grew up with three sisters and three brothers, she was nicknamed Paddy by her father.

Her mother Rose was of Scottish descent and practised the old ways of the village witch or wise women. As a child Paddy was naturally quick to learn the old ways from her mother and seemed destined to carry on the family tradition as a practising witch herself.

When warning of a raid was given, Paddy and her family would move out and shelter in the woods on the outskirts of the city, there they would camp and sleep in tents. On one occasion Paddy had a visionary experience, which she later described:

“I don’t know if it was a dream or if it actually happened. It was very clear then and it is very clear now. I went out of the tent and started walking through the woods, which kept changing character. I came to a place where there was a stream. You don’t normally get water on high chalk land, but here was a stream. All around were all the flowers that were never seen in the woods from the early spring right through the year. There were lots of animals – weasels, badgers, foxes and all sorts. I looked at them and all the flowers, wondering why there were violets and briar roses at the same time.

Then I became aware of a great figure on the other side of the stream. It seemed to me he was dressed in black leather. He had magnificent antlers. I looked up at him and said, “Are we going to die?” He said, “No, you’ve got far too much to do and learn”. He sat on the other side of the stream for a while, telling me what I should know. Then he said, “I want you to meet someone else”.

He took me across the stream and put me in front of him on his horse, and off we went, up into the sky, such a long way. We came to a lovely place. There was a beautiful women sitting on a stone. She started telling me more about what I needed know and learn. When she finished, I was put back on a horse and brought back to my little bed in the tent.

In the morning I told only my mother about it. She said, “You’ve been lucky – you have met the Horned God and the Goddess. But you are only nine. You have got to go to school, you have got to live with other people. Don’t forget about it, but keep it in the back of your mind. You are a very lucky girl”.

Paddy did not share the experience with others until much later in life, when she told her husband about it he responded saying: “I think you may have met your God”.

For her education Paddy went on to study at Cambridge University, from where she graduated with a bachelor’s degree in Medieval History and English. After leaving collage she joined the signals branch of the Women’s Royal Air Force (WRAF). In 1955 while still serving in the air force, Paddy married her husband Philip (Pete) Slade and a year later gave birth to their first son Robert, a second son Peter followed in 1957. Most of their time with the RAF was spent serving overseas, mainly in Singapore and Fiji, and only returned to England after leaving the Force in the early 1960’s. Sadly just a short time later in 1962, her husband Pete suffered a heart attack and died.

After the death of her husband Paddy retreated to the isolation of the Dartmoor countryside. She loved the remoteness of Dartmoor and continued to live there for the next twenty years, occasionally moving from one location to another. The local area around Dartmoor (now a National Park established in 1951) held a particular fascination for Paddy, for the whole area is steeped in folklore and littered with the remains of ancient sites. One such is the “Grey Wethers”, two ancient stone circles thought to be remnants of a Druidic temple. The Grey Wethers is located below Sittaford Tor, and was once a small moorland farm renowned for keeping sheep (“wether” is an Old English word meaning sheep).

It was while living in such an area of Dartmoor that Paddy had a second and more profound vision. When out on the moor one night she found herself in the middle of a stone circle when the mist came down, and for safety’s sake decided to stay were she was throughout the night. During the course of the evening she had a number of visionary encounters with the Horned God and Goddess, other spirits, and Puck, who later became her dominant spirit guide.

After her experiences on Dartmoor and during the late 1960’s and early 1970’s, with all the growing interest in witchcraft inspired by the likes of Gerald Gardner, Doreen Valiente, Robert Cochrane and Alex Sanders, Paddy quietly continued to practise the old ways of the witch. She utilised and developed much of what she had been taught by her mother, and wasn’t shy to learn what she could from others. Among the more notable of her teachers was Dolores Ashcroft-Nowicki co-founder of the Servants of the Light (SOL) a school of occult studies in 1971.

Carol Queen

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is an American author, editor, sociologist and sexologist active in the sex-positive feminism movement. Queen writes commentary, academic history, how-to, essays, analysis, and erotica, including Real Live Nude Girl: Chronicles of Sex-Positive Culture, and the novel The Leather Daddy and the Femme. She has produced articles, essays, books, movies, events and speaking appearances worldwide. Some of her work has been translated into German, Japanese, Chinese and Dutch. She has also served as editor for many compilations and anthologies on human sexuality. She is a post-modern, feminist sex educator in the United States. Her message and educational structure and business models have reached tens of millions of people via international magazine interviews, television appearances, events, movies and her books. Carol serves on the Board of Directors of the Woodhull Freedom Foundation & Federation, an organization whose mission is to affirm sexual freedom as a fundamental human right. She coined the term Absexual.

In 1975, Queen helped to found GAYouth, one of the first youth organizations for gays and lesbians, in Eugene, Oregon. In 2004, Queen, with partner Robert Lawrence, started the Center for Sex and Culture to "provide non-judgmental, sex-positive sexuality education and support to diverse populations by means of classes, workshops, social gatherings, and hands-on, practical skills-building events."

Queen also serves as staff sexologist to Good Vibrations, the San Francisco sex toy retailer. She was featured as an instructor and star in both installments of the Bend Over Boyfriend series about female-to-male anal sex, or pegging.

Queen began her higher education in 1974 at age 16 at the University of Oregon Honors College. She graduated Cum Laude from the Sociology department of University of Oregon (Phi Beta Kappa) in 1985.
In 1998, Queen wrote a dissertation on female exhibitionism for the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality.

Queen maintains a large non-profit research library and archive of sexually-related material that was established and named in 1994 by forming a nascent non-profit (inspired by Betty Dodson) called The Center for Sex and Culture. Around that time she started appearing nationally in the Americas and internationally in Canada, China, Britain and Sweden.

Queen is part of a group of writers and educators who arose from the intersection of the Lusty Lady Theater and Good Vibrations during the beginning of the dot-com buildup in San Francisco. This group includes Lily Burana, Fetish Diva Midori, Lisa Palac and Greta Christina and has been followed by many more. At that same time she was involved with the Coalition for Healthy Sex, a San Francisco-based safer sex outreach structure that worked with the City of San Francisco to decrease HIV and disease exposure in sex clubs. This group included Chuck Frutchey, Buzz Bense and Jerry Zientara. Queen also serves as staff sexologist to Good Vibrations, the San Francisco sex toy retailer. In this function, she designed an education program which has trained many other current and past Good Vibrations-based sex educators, including Violet Blue, Charlie Glickman and Staci Haines. Queen is perhaps best known for her advocacy of professional level quality sex education. She has directly educated tens of thousands of adults using programs concepts and seminars which have been copied widely. Next to Nina Hartley, she is perhaps the most widely copied post-modern feminist sex educator in the United States. Her message and educational structure and business models have reached tens of millions of people via international magazine interviews, television appearances, events, movies and her books.

Queen is also known also a professional editor, writer and commentator whose works such as Real Live Nude Girl: Chronicles of Sex-Positive Culture, Pomosexuals, and Exhibitionism for the Shy are used in both university and clinical settings. She has written for juried journals and compendiums such as The Journal of Bisexuality and The International Encyclopedia of Human Sexuality. She is an expert witness in sexuality and professional consultant to academic, political and commercial industries.

Her blog was previously hosted at carolqueenblog.com, but has since moved to carolqueen.wordpress.com. It was initiated online in 1996 at an older un-archived version of Spectator Magazine as The Royal Treatment and was significant as an early transitional (from paper to internet) regular online commentary about sex and society. In 2001 she was a Grand Marshal of San Francisco Pride.

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Queen is founder and Director of the woodhullfoundation.
http://www.woodhullfoundation.org/projects.htm

On her blog she writes:

It’s Saint Carol now…*
April 16, 2009

… because I have been honored by the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, the lovely order of drag nuns who make San Francisco (and everyplace in the world you find them) a more fabulous and communitarian place. This, per their website, is what the Sisters are all about:

“…community service, ministry and outreach to those on the edges, and to promoting human rights, respect for diversity and spiritual enlightenment. We [the Sisters] believe all people have a right to express their unique joy and beauty and we use humor and irreverent wit to expose the forces of bigotry, complacency and guilt that chain the human spirit.”

And who doesn’t love that? Well, OK, I know some folks don’t, but hopefully one day they too will be converted.

So Robert and I went to Dolores Park on Easter Sunday, the Sisters’ really big shindig, and both of us were sainted: I am now Saint Carol, Queen of Orgasmic Pleasures (and Patron Saint of Positive Perversion), while Robert is Saint Checkmate (because sometimes the Queen takes the King from behind). (And if that seems like too much information or an unsaintly use of chess nomenclature, please recall that Robert and I are the king and queen of Bend Over Boyfriend, and apparently that movie has made the rounds not only of all the frathouses of America –oh, I can dream– but also of the Sisters.)

It may be possible, even, that we are the first male-and-female couple ever sainted together; I’m not sure, but I haven’t heard of another. Sometimes our gay friends make the nomenclatural error of calling us a heterosexual couple, but that is not, strictly speaking, correct. Bisexual is more like it, although that does imply only two genders… and we are both quite certain there are way more genders than that, and are not averse to being attracted to all of them. Surprise us!

wyndham

23-11-2009, 09:39 PM

Is there a prepequisitve to being either horribly ugly or terminally average to get involved in this?

hunkahunka

24-11-2009, 01:23 PM

Wayne Morris:

You are listening to The International Connection on CKLN 88.1 and that was an interview with Lynne Moss-Sharman, a US mind control experiment survivor and Canada contact for ACHES-MC. We are going to hear a music piece right now, called "Play Me Backwards" by Joan Baez, and if you listen closely to the lyrics, this song is about child ritual abuse.

You don't have to play me backwards to get the meaning of my verse
You don't have to try and go to hell to feel the devil's curse
Well I thought my life was a photograph on the family christmas card
Kids all dressed in buttons and bows and lined up in the yard
Were the golden days of childhood so lyrical and warm?
Or did the picture start to fade on the day that I was born?

I've seen them light the candles, I've heard them bang the drum
And I've cried Mama I'm as cold as ice and I got no place to run.

Let the night begin, there's a pop of skin and a sudden rush of scarlet
There's a little boy riding on a goat's head, and a little girl playing the harlot
There's a sacrifice in an empty church of sweel little Baby Rose
And a man in a mask from Mexico is peeling off my clothes.

So I'm paying for protection, smoking out the truth
Chasing recollections, nailing down the proof
You don't have to play me backwards to get the meaning of my verse
You don't have to try and go to hell to feel the devil's curse
I'll stand before your alter and tell everything I know
I've come to claim my childhood at the Chapel of Baby Rose.

Joan Baez, 1992 (CD: Ring Them Bells)

Joan Baez was born on January 9, 1941 in Staten Island, New York, the second of three daughters to Dr. Albert Baez, a physicist, and Joan Bridge Baez. Her mother was English-Scottish, the daughter of an Episcopalian Minister and a professor of drama who had migrated to the United States, and her father was of Mexican parentage, the son of a minister. Her father's activities as a physicist, researcher and UNESCO consultant took him to many parts of the country, and Joan's childhood was spent first in the small town of Clarence Center, New York, and then in Redlands, California. When her father took a job at M.I.T. a few years later,the family moved to Boston, Massachusetts where for a short time she studied drama at Boston University. She enrolled at the university and soon began singing at the Boston coffee houses, colleges and later concert halls along the East Coast to increasingly large crowds.

hunkahunka

24-11-2009, 03:54 PM

MULRONEY’S FATHER IN LAW AND MILITARY LSD FUNDING

By MIKE BLANCHFIELD and JIM BRONSKILL
OTTAWA CITIZEN
Dec. 8, 1998
Southam Newspapers

OTTAWA - Brian Mulroney’s future father-in-law was one of two Montreal doctors involved in a military-funded LSD experiment on volunteer students and musicians.
The authors of the study, published in 1965, credit physicians DIMITRI PIVNICKI and ROBERT CLEGHORN for assuming medical responsibility in the administration of the drug. Cleghorn and Pivnicki, whose daughter Mila would later marry Mulroney, were members of the psychiatry department at McGill University’s Allan Memorial Institute. The LSD study was part of an ongoing investigation of human perception and short-term memory by McGill psychologists, with financial assistance from the federal Defence Research Board. The Allan Memorial’s current director, Dr. Herta Guttman, said she had no knowledge of the Canadian military’s involvement in the LSD research at McGill. She added it was highly unlikely that the consulting physicians, Pivnicki and Cleghorn, had any idea the experiment was funded by the military. At the time, LSD was legal and the subject of countless research papers. Documents obtained by Southam News and the Ottawa Citizen show the research board provided money for the McGill study, which involved six student volunteers and two unnamed professional musicians. Guttman said she knew nothing about the experiment, but speculated it may have been a product of Cold War security fears. During the Korean War a lot of governments were interested in brainwashing and things like that,” Guttman said in an interview. “I’m not so sure the researchers would have known the Canadian military was funding it.” The Allan Memorial was the site of brainwashing experiments by Dr. Ewen Cameron in the 1950s and early ‘60s. Cameron’s work, funded in part by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, included LSD, electroshock therapy and sensory deprivation. However, until now there was no hint of Canadian military involvement with LSD at McGill.
Dr. Peter Lockwood, a Defence Department spokesman, played down the military’s connection to the newly uncovered McGill study. He said the experiment was part of a much larger, 18-year examination of perception and memory by a McGill psychologist, who oversaw various projects. Lockwood said it was unlikely that the Defence Research Board knew McGill researchers were using LSD - even though the board supplied the money. “I find no evidence it was reported to the (Defence) Department,” said Lockwood. In the study, six university students and two musicians were given LSD and their ability to recognize geometric patterns was measured. However, because the drug was administered by injection, the two medical doctors were recruited by the researchers to supervise the procedure. Cleghorn, who succeeded Cameron as head of Allan Memorial, has since died. Pivnicki, now in his 80s, lives in Montreal and is ill, said Guttman. She declined to arrange an interview with Pivnicki, saying that he has undergone several recent operations. “The fact is I would not disturb him with such things,” she added. “I don’t want to co-operate with this story.” Pivnicki and his wife, Bogdanka, emigrated to Canada from Sarajevo, Yugoslavia.
At the time of the McGill LSD study, Mulroney was completing his law studies and had yet to meet Mila Pivnicki. The couple married in 1973.
(Ottawa Citizen and Southam News)

hunkahunka

24-11-2009, 04:31 PM

http://web.archive.org/web/20050404040955/http://www.angelfire.com/mn/mcap/images/May1004.jpg

The above image is from an article written by mind control trauma survivor
Lynne Moss-Shaman , which can be read at this link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080609032937/www.angelfire.com/mn/mcap/bc.html

rapunzel

24-11-2009, 06:11 PM

Subjects? plural? No, like i wrote in my opening sentence ive looked into witchcraft, neo paganism, and their connection to the illuminati. That’s one particular aspect, a clear focus is set. And, what was my post about? The leading figures of witchcraft and their connections to the illuminati. So what excately was your problem with that?

You said quite plainly in your post: “The last few days I've spend my spare time…..”. You have drawn a whole raft of conclusions from a few hours spent googling the net. Very scholarly, I must say.

Let’s get back to what you originally said because I didn’t deal with it any detail at the time.

Witches of the Illuminati created and control the Wicca/Pagan network

And you go on to mention the Covenant of the Goddess. This is what it actually says about itself. It says it was “ founded 1975 to increase cooperation among Witches and to secure for Witches and covens the legal protection enjoyed by members of other religions. “ Co-operation - very sinister indeed.

It also says: “The Covenant is an umbrella organization of cooperating autonomous Witchcraft congregations and individual practitioners with the power to confer credentials on its qualified clergy. It fosters cooperation and mutual support among Witches and secures for them the legal protections enjoyed by members of other religions. The Covenant is non-hierarchical and governed by consensus. Two-thirds of its clergy are women.”

“autonomous” – know what that means? “co-operation and mutual support”, “non-hierarchical”. Just why you think this is suspicious is mystifying.

You refer to the Teen page of the COG and then talk about children being admitted and the need for secrecy. This site actually says:

“PARENTAL PERMISSION: We feel very strongly that this is a major component of your studies. In fact, any reputable teacher or guide will insist that you have it, (if you are under legal age)” It also warns:

“When the time is right, and you have your parent's blessings, seek a teacher. We have some guidelines for this as well: So, you think you've found a teacher... A word of caution here, (well, several words): If you EVER get the feeling that inappropriate remarks/suggestions are being made by your teacher(s), please seek the advice of another adult to help you determine if you are in a bad position and perhaps need to move on to another teacher. “

Certainly sounds very dodgy to me!

As for the Witches Defamation League (I think you mean Anti-Defamation League) you say:

“Alone the name should make it pretty obvious that we're dealing here with an elite concept/organisation”

For goodness sake, why? What is wrong with people seeking to remedy lies told against them and to educate the public in what the beliefs actually are? Presumably the Jewish Anti Defamation League is just as suspect?

You go on to refer to the types of jobs which you say exist in the Illuminati. And compare it with the type of people you are examining.

Media personnel, chanters, High Priest/Priestess, Teachers, Behavioural scientists. Well blow me down with a feather, people with these sort of jobs exist in other religions and in the atheist community but it seems it’s suspicious when they are in the Pagan/Wiccan community? The Jews have Cantors in their synagogues and the only odd on out is in the title High Priest/Priestess. This is rather an affectation in the Wiccan community in my opinion and although I am entitled to call myself so I prefer just Priestess.

Selena Fox trained in psychology; how sinister. I know several Christian ministers trained in this discipline. I wonder what they’ll say when I tell them psychology has links to the Illuminati. Wow!. Wait a minute, Selena has Native American blood too so this must validate the “bloodline theory” so beloved of the Illuminati mythers.

Yes i can really see now what pretty much all pagans and wiccans on here go on and on about. you know, how the government, the church, the education system and the media work against witches and pagans. deny them a platform, ridicule their beliefs and practises, and not to forget their relentless attempts of converting people to christianity.

You are trying to say this doesn’t happen? Of course from your point of view it couldn’t happen (against all the evidence) since the powers that be are part of the Illuminati! This is how such twisted theory works and it is just exactly what you are doing – ridiculing our beliefs and implying something sinister.

Now we had already two (more will follow) witches skilled in psychology, Gerina will introduce another recurring theme with these illuminati (imo) witches, a writer and/or an education in journalism.

Suddenly it’s presented as suspicious that all sections of the community are represented in Wicca. It’s not really surprising that those Wiccans who are in education or journalism etc should be the ones to put themselves forward since such people have the skills to be able to explain their beliefs succinctly and accurately. They are often the ones who write articles in the magazines. Seems quite logical to me. They are usually quite good at public speaking too and have the seld confidence to do so.

As for witches or Wiccans being introduced into it by a family member this is becoming more common since Wicca, at least in the UK, has been legal since 1952 it stands to reason that at least two generations have been born to those who were Wiccans from the beginning and that it is not surprising that some of their family members should show an interest. I have been Wiccan since 1977 and have 2 children; but neither of them have shown the slightest interest although they were aware of what my beliefs were.

You say of Gerina Dunwich that

“……she opened a small shop on High Street called "The Country Witch" (later renamed "The Calico Cat Whatnot Shop"), which sold antiques, curios and various occult supplies.” And then go on to say “ Cults need money to grow and prosper. Crime seems to be the natural choice toward that end, since crime not only generates needed cash it also undermines the social systems the cults are attempting to replace. The stolen antiquities trade is a favorite practiced by devotees to the New World Order.”

You do realise that this is a libellous statement? Connecting a person who runs an antique shop to stolen antiquities? If you have any evidence that this has happened then you should report it to the local police. If not you should retract what you have said. Genuine criticism of Wicca I can accept but lies and insinuations such as this I cannot. It is defamation and exactly the sort of thing you think does not go on.

As for Sybil Leek I know a number of people who are very leery of her claims of hereditary witchcraft......

Secondly, it is worth noting that witches and other members of the illuminati will often have many contacts to the music scene, the art scene, the film bizness

I don’t have contacts. Hang one, one of my Wiccans friends has a son who is an amateur singer (and damn good he is too). And an old school friend of mine was an Art teacher. Does that count? It’s quite hilarious the claims you make!

To summarize: another well educated, secret society connected Witch, Lakewood, cherokee blood within the wife's family, wrote a lot of books, 'creation of a new religion' - for all those pagans and 'white' witches on here who keep laughing at the mere mention of a new religion being introduced and witchcraft being part of it, how about them witches admitting it themselves then? Hardly christian propaganda now isit?

I notice you feel it necessary to mention his wife’s Cherokee blood (we know why). As for a new religion, Wicca is a new religion although you’ll get certain fluffies claiming it goes back to the Stone Age. It’s a new religion which takes some ancient Pagan beliefs for its inspiration. If you had actually spoken to any mature Wiccan they would have told you that.

So, what have you done. You have told us about five figures who are known to the American Pagan community and have taken carefully edited aspects of their public lives, have strained this through the sieve of your own peculiar Illuminati beliefs and extrapolated this to the whole of Wicca. I notice you have not touched on British Wicca. I wonder why?

Now lets get to your current post.

How do you know what ive read? And if you would be so kind as to point out where i showed my inability to comprehend what were mostly resumes and life stories of some of the most influental witches? from their own sources btw. Witches like Selena Fox, Gerina Dunwich, Sybil leek, and kirk white. Witches who are heavely involved in a number of leading wicca organisations which are part of a world wide network consisting of most if not all wicca/pagan covens/churches/organisations with any sort of numbers and/or influence.

Then please list the books and sites you’ve consulted and the people you’ve spoken to otherwise your conclusions are debatable and risible. What you have done is to pick five people, analyse their histories and by picking up on certain points (and ignoring the rest) try to make people here believe that they are part of the Illuminati and that they have some sort of control over all Wiccan and witches. By the way, do you know the difference between Wicca and witchcraft?

A basic look at the network mentioned above and it's various activities reveals the opposite to be true. it’s well organized and coordinated, world wide.

Wicca does not have a hierarchy in the sense that there is a Leader who is the public face and acknowledged Head, such as the Archbishop of Canterbury in the UK or the Chief Rabbi nor is there an accepted dogma or doctrine apart from a usually agreed set of principles and an agreed behaviour such as “Harm none”. There are no Wiccan “heretics” because there is no “orthodoxy”. In my opinion this is one of its weaknesses because there is no Authority to speak up for Wicca generally or to chastise or “excommunicate” those who behave badly. This is a perennial subject of contention between Wiccans. The only co-ordination going on is in the realm of companionship and support. No Coven is obliged to join in any of the activities or conferences which are organised.

Sounds great, problem with your romantic portrayal ist the facts dont support it. At the lower levels this well be the truth, in that it's the belief held by the majority of witches.

“Romantic portrayal” Goodness me, after 32 years there is little romance left! The facts do support the independence of Wiccans and their beliefs. The fact that we get together in Groups and organisations is for support and co-operation and the pleasure of being with like minded people. Do you not like to meet with your friends? The five people you mention have no authority over anyone in Wicca. They may be able to influence some younger people but everything we say or do has some influence on another person. It seems that only a Wicca in which no-one ever communicated with anyone else would be the Wicca that did not arouse your suspicions.

The level i looked into and still do, is the top level, the only level that is from relevance and interest in my research, which, i repeat, is about the top witches and their connection to the Illuminati.

There is no “top level”. There are only people who are well known; respected by some and disliked by others. There is no hierarchy in Wicca only those who have chosen to come to the forefront in arranging activities for the rest and some who have chosen to make money by writing about it. In any grouping of people there will always be those who end up organising meetings, arranging events and there will always be those who are happy to let others take the strain. I admire people who are prepared to use their own spare time in voluntary work for others but it doesn’t mean that that gives them any authority over others.

You have not by any stretch of the imagination connected anyone with the so-called Illuminati. And if you had looked into any other “level” you would know that. I think you started off with the agenda of proving that Wicca is connected and chose only those people whose history you could manipulate. Hardly the way to do proper research.

The big world wide operating covens, the numerous organisations connected to each other. Witches like Kirk White who has his fingers in so many pies it’s just ridiculous. look at his resume:

http://www.revkirkwhite.com/resume.html

There are no world wide operating covens! The only connection between different groups is one of friendship. Each Coven remains autonomous. So Kirk White (I’ve never heard of him before this) has a very large C.V. So what? He’s obviously been a very busy man.

These are the kind of witches i’m interested in, the elite, not the vast majority of 'normal’ witches and pagans. Do you understand that there is a difference?

No, I don’t understand there’s any difference because there isn’t one and perhaps you should have consulted normal witches and pagans; they would have told you so. Do you really think the rest of us are stupid? Obviously so if you think we are secretly manipulated by these “others”. After 32 years in Wicca and after having met or talked to thousands of Wiccans and Pagans I have never met one of these so-called “elite”. People in Wicca tend to be quite democratic and we don’t take kindly to authority, particularly in the spiritual side of our lives. Why does anyone else think they have the right to tell me what to believe?

And can you see the difference between the vast majority of witches and witches like Sybil leek? who come from families/bloodlines of generational witches, where witchcraft is an important part of their history, daily life, and future. They prepare and train their children from early childhood to become leading witches. Crowley was a regular guest at sybil's home, aparantly just to read his poems to her.

She run her first coven when around 18, in those covens the position of the high priestess is determined by blood. It's hierachical and it's hereditary. For witches of her status/background many doors in the occult network will be open. She will be trained in various 'arts' of the 'craft' - For example, no other than Israel Regardie teached her the rituals of the golden dawn.

Sybil Leek claims to be a hereditary witch; there’s no evidence she is. No-one at the age of 18 is qualified to lead a Coven; they are babies as far as I am concerned and there is no way anyone of that age has the knowledge or experience for such a role. I have come across a few people who call themselves Wiccans who claim to be something they are not. They give themselves titles such as the High Priest of British Witches or the High Priestess of Lancashire. Titles which are purely self imposed by pathetic ego-driven people. I had an argument in public with one of them when I caught her in a public park asking her coven members to kneel to her. This is the sort of person I would like to be expelled from Wicca but there is no-one to do the expelling.

Again, sounds great, and in your coven and the surroundings you take part of that might be so. Umbrella Covens like the CoS sing from a different song sheet though. And it’s rather clear that there are leaders, those who have the influence to steer the ship in the desired direction. They don’t call themselves your leaders, but lead they do.

Again you are speaking of something you have no knowledge of. The COG is an umbrella organisation not an umbrella Coven. Understand the difference. I quoted from their website earlier on. Read it again.

Autonomous – here’s the dictionary definition.
1. Not controlled by others or by outside forces; independent:
2. Independent in mind or judgment; self-directed.

Get it now? Groups that comes together for mutual support and companionship are very common and not at all suspicious. No, they don’t call themselves leaders and they don’t lead us Geddit?

Funny then that one of the requirements to join the CoS is the worship of the goddess. Independence and in charge of your own spiritual development is limited by traditions, systems, rituals, and all the rest of it. Choose one of a number of existing paths. that’s your level of independence.

That’s one of the most ridiculous things you’ve said. “ Funny then that one of the requirements to join the CoG is the worship of the goddess”. Fancy them requiring that a person joining the Covenant of the Goddess should actually believe in the Goddess.! Does someone join the Christian Church if they don’t believe Jesus Christ?:eek:

Joining the CoG for most people is an addition to being in a Coven or other group. As I’ve said numerous times, it’s a form of group support and helps to give a public voice to our beliefs. Yes, there are a number of different Traditions within Wicca, more numerous than I can mention and you’ll rarely find a Coven which is identical to another. I have been a member of several and an invited visitor at others and they have all been different even though they were nominally in the same Tradition. If a person cannot find a Group or Coven they feel at home with then they work on their own and are known as Solitaries. There are more varieties within Wicca than in any other religion. Being part of any Tradition does not limit one’s spiritual development. Again, if you had bothered to speak to any Wiccan they could have told you that.

Well what in your words sounded like the best thing on earth looks very different when simply checking some basic data and facts. Then suddenly what is so free and equal becomes a world wide network of Covens, churches, and various other organisations headed by only a few influental witches. An elite. Which suprising as it may be is excately the same situation we have with pretty much everything else.

It is difficult to keep repeating the same thing over and over again. Connections of friendship and support are suddenly suspicious in Wicca but not in any other religion. Christian churches and groups often have connections with overseas organisations, so what. It’s normal to want to mix with and communicate with people of the same or similar beliefs. There is an organisation in the UK called the Pagan Federation,

http://www.paganfed.org/about.shtml

which is an umbrella group for Wiccans and Pagans of many varieties. A small yearly fee entitles you to a quarterly magazine, the chance to meet up with others at various conferences which are organised by those with lots of energy and the support of legal advice over difficulties with employers over one’s beliefs. I have served on their committees and it’s damned hard, unpaid work which is largely unappreciated by most members. The leading members of this organisation are elected but have no influence over anyone at all, indeed many find themselves subject to criticism by the other members. The Fed is in contact with other Pagan Groups in the UK and across the world.

Depends what aspect of witchcraft you mean? Rituals, traditions, beliefs, things like that then yes, you prolly know more than i do, much more.

I fail to see how that makes any difference to what my post was about though. My personal conclusions based on the data presented are of course mine, and debatable. The following not so much:
There exists an network of the biggest covens/churches/ and organisations in Wicca/paganism, the people who created and run them are witches with impressive resumes, people who amongst other things: sit on various boards, hold director positions, run the big covens, recieve ritual training from the likes of Regardie. Had regulary visits from good old Crowley, hold degrees in masonic lodges, the golden dawn, the rosicrucians, the Ancient Order of Druids, lesser known groups modelled at the knights templar or the bavarian illuminati. Kirk White for example is initiated into all of them, he’s also president of his areas rotary club.

The network is one of mutual support and co-operation and these “top people” as you call them and no authority over any of the members. Most Covens are small affairs because most Covens meet in members houses and unless one is very well off the maximum number which can be comfortably accommodated is small, probably less than a dozen.. When a Coven grows too large some members split off to form another Coven, this is called hiving-off and the two Covens may meet up for the celebration of Festivals but most Covens exist in isolation from one another. There are possibly a million Pagans and Wiccans and Witches worldwide yet you think that because one person, who is well known in American Wiccan circles, alleges she was visited by Crowley when young, the whole of Wicca is suspect. Oh and one person claims to have had training from Regardie. By the way, I’d never heard of Kirk White before this post.

Anyway, the above is just a very small selection of data available on the top witches. Facts which simply aren’t compatible with the romantic, idealistic, and completely uncritical view of a believer and member.

i’m not saying your view/experience is false, what i’m saying is it’s not true for all aspects/levels of wicca/paganism, certainly not for the highest levels.

There is no such thing as “top witches” or “highest levels” in the manner you speak of. Merely people who have had the energy and commitment to start groups, organise meetings and conferences, and who voluntarily give of their time freely to aid and encourage other Pagans. I know Christians who do such things without being accused of being a part of the Illuminati.

Some of the people who become well known are not liked or approved of by sections of the Pagan and Wiccan community for various reasons. Sometimes it’s because we feel a certain person may have got too big for their boots. We are known for plain speaking and if we don’t like something we’ll say so. It’s often known as “Bitchcraft” So much for your “romantic, idealistic and completely uncritical view”. There is plenty wrong with Wicca in that its lack of a leadership with authority allows anyone to call themselves Wiccan and set up a Coven without any training or experience. Titles such as High Priest/ess also affect people’s egos and lead to conflict. This leads to problems and potential abuse and is very worrying. There is also a problem in that TV programmes such as Buffy and Charmed show a completely unrealistic view of Wicca and in the case of Charmed a complete fantasy view, and lead young girls into wanting to be witches with no understanding of the hard work and dedication involved and no appreciation of what it’s actually about.. They start to call themselves Wiccans or witches; they dress in black with silver jewellery and start casting “spells” for their friends. I blame unscrupulous Wiccans who write books such as “Teen Witch” to ensnare a market for their other products and books. This is all a far cry from when I started out.

Wiccans are the least malleable people I know and there’s a saying that trying to organise Wiccans is like trying to herd cats so to imagine that certain people at the “top” are covertly organising and directing us is thoroughly risible. I have been near “the top” as you like to call it and all I saw were a number of dedicated people spending every free hour of their waking life trying to make things better for the average Pagan.

Incidentally and I think I may have mentioned this on another thread, I came across a young woman at work several years ago who claimed to have been in a Wicca coven and who had terrible tales to tell of what went on there; devil worship, blood letting and sex. I’m sure you know the score. She declared she had been saved by a friend and was now a Christian and I listened carefully to what she had to say without letting on I was a Wiccan. I asked her a few questions a novice at their first meeting would be able to answer and she didn’t know what I was talking about. When I told her who I was and that the things she had been saying had come from a particular book which I named, she paled and then flushed and walked away. She had been caught out lying and never spoke of it again. Why she had to lie I never found out but perhaps she thought she was saving souls. I know that people tell the most outrageous lies about Wicca and even when corrected refuse to retract.

rapunzel

24-11-2009, 07:02 PM

To underline the points made in my first witchcraft/network/illuminati post, here some more influental witches.

I won't say much because I've said most of what I wanted to say in my previous post.

Rosemary Ellen Guiley

Is not a Wiccan or Witch. She's involved in the paranormal She may have written about Wicca but she has also written abouty fairies and I doubt she is a fairy. I had to google her as she's so influential I've never heard of her. Being dressed in black is very suspicious.

Dorothy Morrison

Another "influential witch" I've never heard of. By Bloodline I assume you mean her royal connections. If you knew anything about genealogy you'd know that there are millions of ordinary people who have royal connections. Maybe even you have. Yes, I know a number of people who were Catholics before they became Wiccan but their parents were and still are Catholic and disappove strongly of the offsprings change of religion. I was C of E.

Another black dress and red roses too. She must be saying "I love you". To the stake with her. :rolleyes:

Patricia “Trish” Telesco

Yet another I've never heard of. Gosh, she's a member of various organisations. How dreadful and how suspicious! And how ridiculous to mention it!

I've no idea whether she had help with her books but if so that's just like these so-called celebrities who use ghost writers to write their autobiographies and novels. Dishonest in my view but apparantly common.

Jenet Farrar

It's actually Janet not Jenet and I know Janet or used to. I don't believe she's all that well known outside the UK.

Gavin Frost

Now this is someone who raises hackles in the Wiccan community. Very many people disapprove of and dislike him and his wife. He has a few supporters but they are in the minority. To suggest he is "influential" is hilariously funny.

Eleanor Ray Bone

Well, I suppose that if the 2 people who took her under their care had not been witches then she probably wouldn't be one now. You say "Too bad almost nothing is known about her mother, the headmistress of a girlsschool" yet go on to invent a history for her of witchcraft and the Illuminati. Congratualtions, you should be a writer of fiction yourself:D If there is no evidence - invent it!

Eleanor didn't say she read The Golden Bough at the age of 8, she said "after". And why shouldn't a Catholic have this on their bookshelf? It's a well known history of folklore. Maybe her mother was interested in folklore.

rapunzel

24-11-2009, 07:29 PM

Rosaleen norton
(rosaleen = rose line, lineage)

Now this is a very strange woman this. I've read one of her books I think but I doubt most have heard of her. Influential, my foot.

Margot Adler

I have read one of her books and it was excellent. You would be well advised to read "Drawing Down The Moon" to get some correct information. You really have a down on people who are educated, don't you? I wonder why?

Paddy Slade

I have several of her books on my shelf but hadn't heard of her before reading them.

Carol Queen

Nothing of what you post here says anything about witchcraft. As I've never heard of this woman I googled her because I thought there must be a reason for you to mention her. Maybe because she is a feminist? It appears she likes Paganism because Pagans are not scared of sexuality and believe sex is sacred. I also looked at her book list and none of her books have anything to do with Wicca or Paganism nor does she appear at Pagan gatherings so I don't understand why you put her in a list of so-called "influential witches". Or perhaps I do. You seek to tar us with the same brush thus insinuating that all of us are as sex-obsessed as she is. Yes, sex is sacred and that means sexuality should not abused and should be confined to a loving relationship.

Really, these lists are pretty pathetic when you include someone like this Carol Queen in your attempts to smear Wicca.

soulja

25-11-2009, 12:38 PM

Really, these lists are pretty pathetic when you include someone like this Carol Queen in your attempts to smear Wicca.

Carol Queen is a pagan by her own admission, and, and that's the reason i've included her, she's listed amongst other pagans/wiccans in various most influental lists. those lists are from wicca sites btw.

See it's actually pretty straight forward, the whole wicca pagan thing is just another strand in the world wide web of interconnected organisations/beliefs/secret societies. You have a hierachy, even if you don't say it exists. you have big organisations/covens who connect various others together. you have the leading people who head or/and have influence in these organisations. And there are countless connections between wicca/paganism and masonry, the golden dawn, rosicrucians, etc.. You have the importance of heredity i.e bloodline.

Witchcraft is the female strand in the brotherhood, while most other secret societies and structures are male dominated witchcraft shows the opposite, it's dominated by woman, not just in numbers but also in influence. Take a look at the two biggest systems in modern wicca, for example Garderian witchcraft.

Gerald Gardner claimed to have learned The Craft from a hereditary witch by the name of Dorothy Clutterbuck. The witch who led the New Forest Coven (almost exlusevly women) However Gardners ritual and other material was cobbled together from various occult sources including Freemasonry and the work of Aleister Crowley. Gardner also relied heavily on Sir James Frazer's descriptions of pagan rituals in The Golden Bough. Gardner was initiated by Crowley into the OTO btw. Also connected enough to attend parties at buckingham palace. Some sources even claim Gardner was Presidential Attaché to the European Council of Princes. Haven't come around to confirm that yet but it certainly would fit the picture. But regardless he's still an elite stooge to the fullest. connected with masonry, crowley, and others.

But hey gardnerian wicca is spiritual, and it's cool! look even bjork is into it.
http://brentberryarts.com/bjork_art/17be2c3c0.jpg

And she rocks doesn't she?

Please show me where wicca is any different to all the other controlled fields within society. Wicca is part of the network, and connected to it in so many ways it's impossible to ignore it.

Then we have the strega path, it too is said to origin from a hereditary witch, a woman. often refered to as La Vecchia Religione, the old religion.
The story goes that the daughter of diana came to earth to teach witchcraft to the oppressed, so they can fight the church and feudal lords.

We have a strong emphasis on the moon, the goddess, in witchcraft, which just happens to be the other side of the coin of brotherhood worship of the son, the son god. Then the horned god, 'the god of the hunt' lol, sure!

Wicca is the fastest growing religion on earth, no wonder seeing as it's promoted all over the place. Witchcraft is cool now, harry potter and various other books/films/musik/stars are used to introduce young minds to the craft of the ''wise''

That alone tells me that the ptb want people to get involved in witchcraft. When they want us to accept something, or view something a certain way then they will use their media and their frontmen (authors, journalists, etc) to promote this idea/belief system/way of life. Consequently we are bombarded by it from every angle.

As for my list, it shows that witches are not persecuted, at all. In fact it seems to help your career just as being a mason helps, or being otherwise connected to the brotherhood. Many of the peoples who mold our minds are witches, and i can see why, having read some of their works i must admit they are exceptional skilled in double speak, and programming through words.

I can also see now what they mean with the term ''witch-speak''

Anyway, i will start a different thread about witchcraft, as i don't want to cluster up this one with arguements about it. And there will be endless circular arguements i can tell you that much. Talking to a wiccan about their religion is like talking to a fundamental christian, or a mason about the ills of masonry.

hunkahunka

25-11-2009, 08:28 PM

That alone tells me that the ptb want people to get involved in witchcraft. When they want us to accept something, or view something a certain way then they will use their media and their frontmen (authors, journalists, etc) to promote this idea/belief system/way of life. Consequently we are bombarded by it from every angle.

As for my list, it shows that witches are not persecuted, at all. In fact it seems to help your career just as being a mason helps, or being otherwise connected to the brotherhood. Many of the peoples who mold our minds are witches, and i can see why, having read some of their works i must admit they are exceptional skilled in double speak, and programming through words.

I can also see now what they mean with the term ''witch-speak''

Anyway, i will start a different thread about witchcraft, as i don't want to cluster up this one with arguements about it. And there will be endless circular arguements i can tell you that much. Talking to a wiccan about their religion is like talking to a fundamental christian, or a mason about the ills of masonry.

I hope you keep posting here too, because there is no reason to get bogged
down in arguments just because someone nit-picks . I just ignore most of that stuff, and it keeps things from escalating. Those were great posts on witches.

hunkahunka

26-11-2009, 01:30 PM

CKLN-FM Mind Control Series

Jeanette Westbrook:

Thank you Beth, and thank you for having me here. It's an honor and privilege to be speaking here at Believe the Children. Today I am going to talk about an issue that isn't talked about very often, because mainly it is discouraged and that is prosecuting a perpetrator.

There are a lot of reasons, pro and con, for considering going forward with a prosecution against a perpetrator. The perpetrator that I chose to prosecute was my father who I considered my Number 1 main perpetrator, although there were many, many more perpetrators but because he was my father, and had the ultimate responsibility for protecting, nurturing, loving me ... and did not do so ... I decided I would pursue him. But let me tell you, it never entered my mind, even after I started remembering more and more details, it never entered my mind to pursue prosecution until I was informed and realized that he had never stopped offending -- that there were other victims and he would continue to victimize, rape and torture, until the day that he died.

When I first started entering therapy in 1985, and this was a couple of years after I got married at the age of 28, the way I got my memories and flashbacks was simply sitting on the bed one day, and my husband put his hand on my knee. Right then and there I started switching and I literally tore up the room. I knew something was terribly wrong and I needed to figure out what was going on. In my mind, I always carried some memory of the incest, but not the whole full story. It was a process of remembering, not remembering, repression, denial, recanting, remembering. The process that Dr. Whitfield talked about earlier this morning ...

After I started therapy, I entered school, my major was social work and I had a previous history of advocacy within my community. I was a neighbourhood leader, before that I had gone to real estate school -- I was going to be a real estate person, but I couldn't lie well enough (laughter) and the interest rates were 17%, I sold four houses in one year. I decided I couldn't overlook the cracks in the basement and tell people I couldn't see them ... it sounded too much like my abuse. In entering the School of Social Work, I came to the conclusion how could I face victims every day, every week, year in and year out, and tell them, "report the crime, do something, empower yourself, go forward with your life" with me not having done the same. How could I tell other people to protect their children and prosecute, when I had not done so myself?

We are going to get to the criminal justice system here, and I wish I had entitled my workshop "The Criminal Justice Crapshoot" because my friends, that's exactly what it is. You have to know what you are up against, and this is what we are all up against.

So, you were incested ... big deal ... didn't do anything to you ... look at you. You look okay, you've got your college education, you look nice, you are well spoken, no problem ... get on with your life ... But it was a big deal to me, because I wasn't functioning. I began searching out topics, I began reading everything I could get my hands on. My therapist at the time (when I entered therapy in 1985) -- after Dr. Cornelia Wilbur, who was Sybil's psychiatrist, diagnosed me in Lexington, Kentucky. She referred me to Dr. Kanivtiz who said he wasn't taking any more multiple patients and he referred me on to another person who said he wasn't taking any more patients, but he referred me to a therapist who hadn't treated a ritual abuse survivor, had never treated anyone with MPD, now called DID (they DID it to us again ...). After spending years with this therapist who really didn't know what he was doing, but I will tell you one thing that he did do -- which was trigger a lot of memories in me because he was intoxicated during my therapy. I would go into therapy and the smell of the alcohol would cause switch-o-rama and I would come out not in very good shape to tell you the truth. During this whole process as I entered a support group (Parents United and the Adults Molested as Children program) -- I became stronger and decided, yes I wanted to pursue prosecution. I began looking for information. I finally came across another survivor from Colorado who was working with a former FBI agent and she imparted the information to me on how to pursue a prosecution. I guarantee you, had I not received this information from another survivor, I would not have known what to do, because like many folks out here, if you don't have an understanding on how to get through the crapshoot, you are not going to go anywhere.

But I do want to let you know about the dynamics that are unique to my case as to why I pursued ... one of which is I have no children. One of my worst fears was that if I had children, my abusers would get access to my children. That is main way abusers and cults control victims throughout their lives -- through their children. That is one unique thing -- I didn't have to worry about that. I also had a very supportive husband who was behind me all the way. My husband, Andrew, is one of 13 children and this is an example of the kind of support you need. One time when I was hospitalized because of massive flashbacks, my husband came into the hospital late at night and said "I am taking my wife out of here before you kill her." The psychiatrist insisted that my husband wait until he arrived at the hospital. We had the wonderful "exit interview". The psychiatrist said to my husband "how can you stand being married to a woman like this, all of these personalities?" To which my husband responds, the all-time best line, which is, "you don't know what the hell you are talking about ... I am one of 13 children and I am used to living with a lot of people." (lots of laughter) We left. We did not pay. That was $115 for the "exit interview" and we did not pay. This is the kind of support that is necessary: having a good solid support group, solid friends, good solid relationship.

My next step was to determine who, and what I mean by who is which police detective was going to get assigned to my case, and my friends, in order to pursue these cases, you must investigate the police officer who is going to investigate your case. I am sorry but the dichotomy of good cop vs. bad cop is real, and you must do a background check on your police officer. I found out by searching and asking questions, especially child protective workers, "who is the good cop, who is the bad cop?" The police detective whom I approached, who was going to get my case, had worked in child protective services for a number of years before he became a cop. I wasn't going to have to convince him that child abuse existed. He had been there and done that. He was now a police detective in the crimes against children unit in Louisville, Kentucky. I approached him myself. Before I approached my detective, before any of you approach a detective (and this is important: even if you cannot prosecute yourself, take this information and give it to any survivors you might come across who are in a position to prosecute) this is what you are going to need to gather for your case, or what I suggest you gather for your case. Because guess what folks? There is no police detective anywhere who has the time to investigate these cases the way they need to be investigated. Right from the start, my police detective knew what he was facing. He knew it was a ritual abuse case. But does Kentucky have a ritual abuse statute? No. Don't mention it. Why mention it? If there is no existing statute in your state, there is no way that charges can be brought in a ritual abuse case. Right away, I want to approach my police detective with "rape". There are different degrees of rape -- rape by force, which I had; penetration, which I had. This is first degree rape. So that's what we are going to file under.

Before finding a police detective, take in hand if you can, this kind of information: your medical records, your school records. I was able to go all the way back and find my elementary school records. Gee, guess what I found there? I failed the first grade, repeated first grade. Did the second grade, at the end of second grade they tested my IQ and it was only 80 points. Kind of an indicator. Church or religious records. Criminal records. Psychiatric records. Marriage records and divorce records. Don't apply these records just to yourself. Get these records pertaining to your perpetrator also. Not just yourself, but your perpetrator. Kind of interesting. When I looked up the divorce records (when my father divorced my mother) I had already told my police officer about being used in child pornography. In my child's mind I had just seen my father using a brownie camera -- you all remember the old brownie, little boxes? That's what I remember my father taking pictures of me with -- but I also remember the bright lights being used in the basement to photograph pornography, but I didn't want to deal with it and I didn't want to remember it. Lo and behold, in the divorce records, my father asked for all of the photographic equipment, along with multiple pieces of property, money, etc. I don't think he had his attorney ask for the brownie camera.

Psychiatric records. Folks, they are going to use it, might as well be upfront with the police detective. They will use it. That's both sides. And while we are talking about sides here, when you approach the police detective here, who is actually an arm of the district attorney, in some jurisdictions called the D.A., in some the State's Attorney, in my state called The Commonwealth Attorney. The State's Attorney or the Commonwealth Attorney is interested in you, the victim for one reason and one reason only. You are the witness for the prosecution. To that D.A. you are not really looked at as the victim. He is going to use you as a witness to prove his case which the state is bringing against the perpetrator. Also when you approach your police detective, there is some corroborative evidence you can obtain and by being able to do a lot of this -- I am talking about years down the pike in recovery -- if you are not comfortable talking to your relatives and confronting, you are probably not going to be able to get through the criminal justice system period. In getting through the criminal justice system, there are two systems in which you can go through. One is the civil court, and the other is the criminal court. The difference between the two ... For instance, in the state of Kentucky, the reason I was able to pursue a criminal case for rape against my father is that Kentucky is one of only 11 states where there is no statute of limitations on felony crimes. That means you murder somebody 20 years ago, and evidence is presented yesterday that substantiates you murdered someone 20 years ago, they will pursue the case or there is the capacity to pursue the case under that existing statute. In civil litigation, the process of pleading a case of damages and trying to sue your perpetrator is the civil proceeding, and the burden of proof is not as stringent as in the criminal court. The criminal court insists that you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mr. X, Y or Z perpetrated X, Y, Z crimes against you.

One of the things in corroboration here - I want to point this out so you don't get yourself in trouble - in posting an ad for other survivors, make sure it is a blind ad where you do not identify yourself in any way. You have the responses sent to a post office box and you do whatever you can to make sure that can't be traced to you. For instance, have a friend who is supportive of you take out the post office box. Fitzpatrick, of Survivor Connections in the Father Porter case, did this to obtain corroboration from many of the other victims abused by Father Porter -- through the use of a blind ad.

This is what a police detective is interested in finding: who did it, what's their name, social security number, birthdate, relationship to you (friend, relative, stranger), what is it they did to you? In determining what, it would be very important for you to go ahead and research the existing statutes on how criminal statutes are interpreted in your state, in your jurisdiction, in your local government. What was it -- 1st degree rape, 2nd degree rape, child sexual abuse ... in my opinion you should always go for the top charge. If it's penetration with force, it is rape, very simple. When did they do it? Gee, was it January, February, was it 1963, was it 1964? Was it yesterday? In corroborating when, one of the things I had told my police detective was that at the age of 9 one of my clearest memories of being raped, on the sofa in the living room, with the TV on, while my siblings in the room while he was raping me, was the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show on TV. Everyone was focused on the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show. Lo and behold, not too far along after I told my police detective that, I come across a newspaper article talking about the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show and how it only aired for a very short number of years between 1964 and 1966 at the exact times I had related to my police detective that I was being raped on a regular basis. That is circumstantial corroboration.

Where did it happen? In the basement, in the bed, in the field? Where did it happen? They are going to want you to pinpoint it very, very carefully. As close as you can possibly get it. If you can, go back and take photographs yourself, even though you are an adult now, take photographs of it. Or better yet give your police detective a description of it and tell him to go and take a photograph to substantiate your memory of it. Take a witness with you any time you are trying to gather any corroborative information, take a witness so there is somebody else witnessing you getting the information, and how you are getting the information.

Why? Typicall and unknowingly, when victims approach the criminal justice system, they typically start out with "why?" The police want to know who, what, when, where, and lastly, why. The victim starts out with why, what was the motivation for their victimization. My father raped me because he was a member of a satanic cult. They are not interested in that per se. It is a factor, but it is last for them. They are interested in who, what, when and where because this is what is going to stand up in a court of law. These are the things that are going to provide evidence. Why is not the piece that is easy to gather ...

Here are some examples of some corroborative evidence while I was pursuing my case against my father. Be prepared to be harassed. Especially when you are dealing with cases involving ritual crimes, ritual abuse, satanic ritual abuse, other types of organized abuse, medical, mind control ... any of that ... be prepared to be harassed. Here is some harassment I received. This graffiti was painted on the building next to my home and these are my initials, maiden name initials. I took this to mean that I am being watched. It says here, "Life is short, but love is long" - the skull and crossbones is the sign for death, or poison. Needless to say I was rather terrified. Soon after this, we moved and three weeks after moving to a new residence, in the park down by my house, there was all kinds of graffiti carved into the benches which they literally had to use sanders to remove and the police did come by and take photographs of it. I had told my police detective where I had been taken for ritual abuse as a child, and lo and behold, the police had photographs of the site ... it still existed, and you would have to know exactly where the site existed, or you would never find it. The site was located in a gulley, with huge monstrous trees and carvings in the trees, and markers all along the paths. Well, guess what? Gee, I wonder why she was taken there as a child? Could it be that my father's mother lived on the street less than 1/2 mile away.

Before I approached my police detective, I did the typical "pie in the sky" -- trying to get your perpetrator to respond to you. Be sure you make a copy of that letter. There is my copy of a letter, and I never got a response to that. No one can say to you, "hey, you've got to resolve this outside of court, give it a chance." I gave it a chance, there was no response, and this was at a point in 1988 where I was not far enough along in my healing -- certainly I could not pursue prosecution at this point because I was still wanting a response from this perpetrator, and it was clear that was not going to be forthcoming.

That's pretty much pie in the sky. If you have that type of feeling still, you are not ready to pursue a case through the court system, because you are going to have to be tough. It was some of my darkest days in pursuing a case through the criminal justice system. At every turn, you are met with a closed door. I had the D.A. say at one point, "We cannot prosecute your case because you are mentally ill. You have MPD, so you are mentally ill." Guess what folks? You are going to have to educate your police officer, educate the prosecutor. Somebody is going to have to educate the jurors, it can't be you, the victim, but somebody needs to. This is what you are going to be up against.

The D.A. tells me they can't pursue my case, I am "mentally ill". Well, gee, guess what? Nobody has ever adjudicated me "mentally ill". Make sure. Have they ever adjudicated so? The only person who can adjudicate you mentally ill, is the judge. It is a proceeding in the judicial system that has to occur - they can't just arbitrarily say "Gee, I have looked up in the American Psychological Association, or DSM IV, or III, or whatever, and they are mentally ill." Since I wasn't mentally ill, there was no need to obtain a forensic psychiatrist - if you were being adjudicated mentally ill, there would have to be a proceeding, and they may or may not use a forensic psychiatrist. They may use John Doe, psychologist. They could use XY&Z who was hired by the judicial system to do assessments to determine whether you are mentally ill or not. But it was very clear that I was not mentally ill, had never been adjudicated so, I was working, I was going to school, I could drive a car, have never been arrested for any kind of criminal activity. I had been in a psychiatric unit four times, never longer than a week at a time. The first time, age 19, suicide attempt. My parents had every intention of abandoning me in the hospital but two of my friends came and got me out of the hospital, and had me live with them. Go forward in my life, and after that hospitalization, I moved 13 times in a two year period in an effort to stay ahead of my perpetrator. Every time I moved, my perpetrator found me, reoffended.

About 1973 the perpetrator moved to Columbus, Ohio so I was not in regular contact. By this time I was finishing high school. As soon as I finished high school, I left home. That does not stop the perpetrator, because you leave home.

What are the pros and cons of pursuing prosecution?

The pros are self-empowerment, not carrying the secret around with you any longer. Saying, and I try to re-frame every time that I can - I don't say that I am a victim of child abuse - I say I am a 'crime victim'. I do not differentiate that it is x,y and z crime - I am a crime victim. Don't give someone the chance to define your reality. I also felt that by pursuing the prosecution, that I would protect other children. When I got the information that he was still offending, it gave me great pleasure (I have to use the word 'pleasure') to know that I would be instrumental in protecting a child like me who at one time no one was going to help. And when you are going back to get that collaborative information, you go back to your childhood friends. Lo and behold, I found out I had told lots of people. I told lots of childhood friends about what was going on, but 35 years ago in Kentucky there was no such thing as Child Protective Services. Who would you have reported it to? The police? Gee, you could knock the hell out of your wife, they didn't do anything about that. Do you think they were going to do anything about knocking the hell out of your child, or raping your child? Did they do anything about spousal rape? You could rape your wife all you wanted to. They wouldn't have done anything. Numerous people reported they remember seeing me covered from head to toe with bruises. Going back in that collaborative record, those school records, lo and behold, I had speech therapy in the fifth grade. Both me and my sister. We couldn't talk correctly. Stuttered, couldn't pronounce words correctly. Developmental skills - some of those were missing.

What are the cons in doing this?

Well the biggest con in my opinion is your loss of privacy. When you pursue either a criminal case or a civil case, be prepared because your life will change. You will never again have a private life. When you pursue anything through the criminal justice system, it is public record. That means anyone can go down and request that, any newspaper, any tv station, your uncle joe who is one of your perpetrators, who you have not yet filed charges against, a member of the x,y and z backlash group - anyone can then access these public records about you. What does this mean? Well, to tell you the truth, as far as that con goes about losing your privacy, I don't think it is so awfully bad, to the degree where I can say "you want to know anything about me? Go and look it up at the courthouse. You want to know who I am? Go on down. Pay your six dollars and get the record." Make them work for a change.

Expect to lose friends. Expect those family members who are not supportive of you to abandon you. Expect family members who were supportive of you before you filed charges to now abandon you. It is going to happen. I have had this one friend for twenty years, and this happened, and I thought this person was pretty supportive - she had asked me to come over to her house, and she was having some problems with a neighbour who was basically a very ill person and harassing her to some degree, and she started asking me what could be done about this, and I said, "well, here's what I know as a social worker - here's how the system works." My friend aske me what was wrong with her neighbour, and I said I didn't know. And she said, "well I thought you would know because of your mentall illness." I said, "well, I am not mentally ill." And she said, "I meant your 'condition'." I said, "I don't have a 'condition'. I am a crime victim. Try to use that to re-frame these negative views from people. Crime vi ctim. We don't say to the crime victim who is held up at gunpoint, kidnapped in a carjacking - we don't call them a carjacking victim who was traumatized, and is dissociative, and has to go into the psych unit, and now they are mentally ill. We don't do that to most crime victims. But when it comes to sexual crimes, we re-frame sexual crimes into the area of mental illness. Gee, if you were raped, and especially if you were raped by a first degree relative, you couldn't possibly be "normal". Well, guess what? We are normal. The people who are abnormal are the perpetrators. But because of society's fear of perpetrators, they project that view on to the victim, so that you become more feared than the perpetrator. Example: the prosecutor who was assigned to my case, was so frightened when I came to his office, that he had the door blocked open with some bricks. I don't know what he thought was going to happen. I think his view was, that as a multiple - my head was going to spin, and I was going to spew green vomit. And of course, I would kill.

Be prepared. If you are a victim approaching the justice system and they say we are going to assign you a victim's advocate - that advocate may or may not be an advocate. Typically victims' advocates are assigned, are paid through the District Attorney's Office. The victim's advocate for you is not going to bite the hand that feeds them. The prosecutor says, "hey, I don't think I want this case. Why don't you get lost?" The prosecutor often uses the victim's advocate as the go-fer, to keep the victim away from the prosecutor. So the prosecutor doesn't have to deal with the victim. What did I do to handle that? I strongly, strongly advise this - if at all possible, if you have access to resources, hire your own attorney. I was so fortunate and so lucky to have an attorney represent me pro bono. Her job was to watch-dog the system. Mindful, when any of you get your own attorney, this attorney can't represent you in the court. The only attorney who can do that is the prosecutor. But, prosecutors are attornies too, and they don't like other attornies watching exactly what they are doing. So that puts a lot of pressure on the proseuctor and the system, you'd better do this case right, you'd better follow all legal procedures, you'd better not screw my client. I strongly advise any victim going through the criminal justice system to do this.

Oh jeez. You know that old police detective wants to know everything, and guess what? There were lots of times when I didn't want to tell the detective anything, so I didn't tell him anything. But other parts of me sure did go down there and tell him a whole bunch of stuff. Here's one way that some parts tell. They draw pictures and they write it out. What happened, what can you remember? Well, gee, I don't remember a whole lot but maybe this person does. [Drawing] You are going to have to educate your police detective as to what traumatic memory is. A good book to start with is Charles Whitfield's book, what is traumatic memory? Educate, educate, educate. The guilt. The question that all victims want to know - why? You are never going to answer that. Don't expect your police detective to answer that. Don't expect the prosecutor to answer that. There is no answer. What did he do to you? [Drawing] There's an example of something he did, and it is kind of interesting - you can go years and not recognize correlations. Over the years my perpetrator sent messages to me. There are various ways of telling you to shut up. This is a Christmas card that my perpetrator sent to me after he had called me up on the telephone in 1978, told me to go to the airport, he had a ticket waiting for me. I flew to New York City, stayed at the Hotel Lexington where I was re-abused. He sent me this Christmas card. Here is a picture of me being chained and whipped - here is the card he sent me. It's a picture of Santa Claus in his longjohns holding a whip, I guess for Rudolf and the rest of the reindeer and it says, "when the holiday hustle and bustle has passed, hope all of your jolly old memories last" and he inserts, "New York memories will last."

Here's another card - Santa Claus is holding a book and hovering over the children. He says, "good boys and girls". These are all Norman Rockwell drawings. "May the wonder and magic of Christmas fill your heart with joy. Love Dad, Stockholm, Sweden, 1980." Here's one from France, "wish you were here" etc etc etc. These are some of the pieces that you take with you. If you can, if at all possible, start organizing a book - anything like this you come across, old cards, any pictures - that can establish a timeline. Put together a book if you can before you go forward, because a lot of people go "gee, I don't have to do too much work here, she's done it all for me, I don't have to run around and get all these records - they've got it." They are more likely to take your case, and do something with it. Still, even then, expect, especially in a ritual abuse case, expect adverse - let's just face it, there are a lot of people who just don't want you to go forward with your case. And you are going to have to be your own best advocate, and you are going to have to turn in t o an assertive, insistent, aggressive even , advocate for yourself. Nobody else will do this for you.

The local D.A. didn't want to do anything with my case - they were thinking I was just this mentally ill nut - but I educated them to that fact, that I am not a mentally ill nut - so I decided I would get the victim's advocate division from the Attorney General's Office. I am rattling cages. I am insisting that someone do something with my case. If I have called the D.A.'s office once, I have called them 50 times this month. Have I called my detective weekly? You betcha. If I haven't called, parts of me have called, somebody has called. My support group - they write a letter on my behalf. They insist that the D.A. go forward with my case. Start your own letter-writing campaign. Contact your representative. Well, gee they may be one of the enemy. They may be part of it. Well - you know, in this game, it is a crapshoot. You may not be able to trust any of them, but you may be able to trust some of them. It is a crapshoot, and you go for it, if this is what you want to do -- you keep on and you don't give up. It will be your darkest day in pursuing this case, but do not give up.

Here are some things that happened, but do you think the police detective looked at this and said, "Gee I am going to go tell the Prosecutor that this kind of stuff happens." Are you kidding? No way. They are going to discard you. Yes, you have been ritually abused, yes you have been tortured, yes some horrible things have happened. But go for what you can get them on. First degree rape is prosecutable. They are not interested in this type of criminal activity that took place. It's enough to say "he raped me on the sofa in 1964 with Rocky the Flying Squirrel flying higher in my mind."

I would like to free up some time now, to answer some questions. I would be happy to answer any questions that you might have. If you know someone who wants to pursue a case, I have cards. Feel free to call me. I will give you as much input as I can, but be mindful, no one is ever a substitute for your own attorney. For those persons out there who cannot afford an attorney, other survivors may be the only advocates that you have who can impart information to you. Believe me, no one else will. If the victims don't tell you to do this, no victim's advocate is going to tell you how to get through the criminal justice system, no police detective is going to tell you what to do. I had a police detective who was unusual. At one point he said, "look - they are fucking you - they are messing with you - so let's go on down to the warrant desk and file a warrant." Guess what folks. The D.A. is not the only person who can bring a case against a perpetrator. You, U.S. citizen, have the right under the U. S. constitution to go down and file a warrant yourself, with evidence in hand, you have the absolute right to file a warrant yourself. What that does is force a prosecutor to appoint someone to look at the case. To at least look at it. They can still pass it under the rug - it doesn't mean that they are going to do anything - but they have to look at it. So we file a warrant, the prosecutor looks at the case, he doesn't want to do anything with it. I am going all over the place making a lot of noise. "You are going to go forward with this case. I insist on it. And this is why I insist on it." Still nothing happens. I go to the Attorney General's victim advocacy program (most states have this program) - they send a contingent up to Louisville to say "what's going on with this case? You don't want to prosecute it? We are going to take jurisdiction over the case." There ensues a war between the Attorney General and the local prosecutors for jurisdiction of the case. Still nothing happens with the case. So I pull out - this is a real crapshoot - I call and basically tell the Commonwealth's Attorney, the local D.A., "if you don't forward my case to the Attorney General's office, I have five newspaper reporters lined up ready to go." Could this be interpreted as blackmail? I don't know. No one ever charged me with blackmail, mainly because it was the truth. Always have your media ace ready to play. That means be talking behind the scenes to someone who believes in your case, someone in the media, someone who is willing to advocate for you i n a public way . You have to be prepared for this. Your case may end up on the five o'clock news.

Artifacts? Here's an artifact. I've had that since I was a teenager. How do you know? My sister is willing to testify to that. Who questions my sister? My police detective. How long has she had this thing? She tells him. My sister, a witness. She allows herself to be wired for sound and that means the police detective does a wiretap with my sister confronting my father, the perpetrator with abuse. This is done for a couple of reasons. You might think, well it's done to gather evidence for your case. Not necessarily so, because that may or may not be admissible. It could be done for a number of reaons. The detective is not quite sure about your case. May want to get some information for his own reasons. The police detective may be harassed by his superiors, who are saying, "why are you pursuing this case?" So he has done this wiretap to get the information to show his superiors that he's on target.

In the way of educating - I have put together books like this of newspaper clippings that I have gathered since 1986. Does this stuff happen by prominent people? Don't believe what I say - here's what the paper says. Here's the evidence. Let it explain it for you. I am not the only one this has happened to. There are many, many cases. It's just that very few cases get to the criminal justice system because statute of limitations in that state do not allow a person to pursue a criminal case. So they go to the civil court. You may not be able to get through that way either. Some states have passed delayed discovery rulings - an example of this is, a victim goes to therapy and starts remembering their abuse - they have some details and they are sure of what happened, who, what, when, where, how and why - the delayed statute starts running from the day you remember your abuse. In some states - it varies in years - in some states you've got three years from the day you first remember. Not three yea rs after the date you become empowered, but three years after you remember your abuse. Can you get in enough therapy, can you get empowered enough, can you gather enough support to make it under that statute of limitations in order to pursue a civil case? It's pretty tough, it's pretty tough to do that.

Wayne Morris:

We have been listening to a presentation by Jeanette Westbrook on prosecuting perpetrators of abuse, and this broadcast is not to be taken as encouragement to pursue legal cases such as these involving recovered memories of abuse, as these are extremely difficult to go through, but it is interesting to hear what is needed to prepare if one was to take this forward. Jeanette's trial didn't actually go through as her father suddenly died just before being extradited to face charges. Stay tuned next week, as we will continue with Part 2 of this presentation, and an interview with Jeanette Westbrook, on the International Connection CKLN 88.1 FM.

Wayne Morris:

Good morning. You have tuned into the International Connection. We are continuing with our radio series on mind control. Today we are listening to Part 2 of a presentation given by Jeanette Westbrook MSW entitled: Issues Regarding Prosecuting for Adult Survivors of Ritual Abuse. Jeanette brought legal charges against her father, alleging that he had severely abused her as a child and teenager, through ritualistic torture and sexual abuse. Her father, a prominent person in society, had the job of overseeing inspections for all nuclear power plants in the USA. And now, Jeanette Westbrook.

Jeanette Westbrook:

The charges have to be brought in the jurisdiction in which the crimes occurred. So, the victim lives in one state, the perpetrator lives in another, but the crimes were committed in Kentucky. That means you have to file charges in the state of Kentucky. The prosecutor in the state of Kentucky will have to initiate proceedings to bring that perpetrator back to the state of Kentucky. It complicates cases, because a lot of prosecutors don't want to go through that whole procedure of extraditing a criminal back to another state ... it really complicates it, but it can be done.

In my case, the attorney general filed extradition papers for my perpetrator to be brought from Columbus, Ohio back to the state of Kentucky where most of the criminal acts occurred, to stand trial in a criminal court of law. The extradition papers were signed in late May -- by June 22 the perpetrator was dead.

My father had been speaking to the Parliament in Hungary. At the time of his death, he was Executive Director of the National Board of Boiler and Pressure Vessel Inspectors -- which means he controlled the inspections of all the nuclear power plants in the United States. That was one of my biggest and deepest fears -- your perpetrator tells you that all these horrible things are going to happen if you "tell" -- "I will kill your family" blah blah blah. In my mind, one of my biggest fears was that I "tell", and my perpetrator sabotages a nuclear power plant, and millions die. I really felt that. My perpetrator did die, and no one had any intention of telling me that he was dead. There was a concerted effort for me not to have that information. I wanted to go to the funeral, but I was threatened: "if you come to the funeral, we will bodily remove you." I was told this by the heir to my perpetrator's estate, and for legal reasons, I do not want to say the name.

Gee - it's a little bit unusual. The perpetrator suddenly dies at home, at 3am, no autopsy is done, a private physician comes to his home, signs off the death certificate, and that is the end of that. Very unusual. Somebody who has pending felony charges, and is being extradited for those charges. There should have been an autopsy done by a coroner, but there wasn't. And once the body is in the ground, folks, the body is very, very difficult to exhume and see if this perpetrator was poisoned, if there was foul play, anything out of the ordinary. It is not going to happen after the fact.

How did I know that the perpetrator was actually dead, since I didn't see the body? That was problematic because parts of me didn't want to believe that he was deceased. I was able to get hold of his last remaining first degree relative, his sister, my aunt, who reveals to me, now that he is dead, that she was raped by two of the same family members that had raped me. And she assured me that it was his body. I don't know. I may never know. But I am pretty sure he is a dead man. What happened to him? Do you think he was murdered before we brought him back to Kentucky to stand trial? I don't know. Who would want him dead? Would cult members want him dead? Do you think the government might want him dead? How would it look? This person was controlling these inspections for the nuclear power plants -- and he was a sadistic pedophile -- not to mention all the other things he was into. When you are looking at the background of your perpetrator -- my perpetrator was a Boy Scout leader, a church deacon , a Grand Master Mason. Gee - what's that got to do with it? I don't know. Don't try to define that. Don't say to your detective, "my father was a Boy Scout leader -- so therefore, this equals that." Let the detective draw his own conclusions to that. You can substantiate that your perpetrator had access to other child victims because he is a Boy Scout leader, because he is a church deacon ...

After my father was dead, the organization he worked for wrote: "Mr. Blank was loved by family, by National Board staff, by business associates. He even had a legion of pint-sized admirers, the neighbourhood kids. It was common to see a bunch of them gathered in Mr. Blank's yard. He always found time for the children, and he always enquired after their well being. Such was his concern, and it was genuine. Representing the Executive leadership of the National Board, Mr. Blank cast an image of impressive proportions. He met with world leaders. He rubbed an elbow or two with the politically powerful. He occasioned with the Captains of Industry. Elegantly attired, he slipped neatly into whatever role he was expected to play."

Why pursue? What is the number one attack that the perpetrator uses against the victim? It is silencing the victim. In "Trauma and Recovery" by Judith Lewis Herman -- I think this is a fantastic summary -- "... in order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. Secrecy and silence are the perpetrator's first line of defence. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure that no one listens. To this end, he marshals an impressive array of arguments from the most blatant denial to the most sophisticated and eloquent rationalization. After every atrocity, one can expect to hear the same predictable apologies. 'It never happened' - 'the victim lies' - 'the victim exaggerates' - 'the victim brought it upon herself' - and in any case, it is time to forget the past and move on. The more powerful the perpetrator, the greater is his perogative to name and define realilty, and the more completely his arguments will prevail."

I recommend "Trauma and Recovery" by Judith Lewis Herman highly. I also recommend, this is a classic, "Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape" by Susan Brownmiller. It is very important for you to understand the dynamics of rape, and how our society looks at rape and abuse. This isn't bad either. "Against Therapy" -- this is how our psychiatric system looks at abuse -- it is that old "wandering uterus" thing -- [hysteria].

[Answer to audience Question]: Well, I think it is kind of interesting. I did bring with me, and you are welcome to look at this thing, I decided that after his death, the Masonic Brotherhood went out and some rites at his funeral -- gee, I couldn't go. But they were there. I called the Masonic Lodge that he had been a member of for forty years because I wanted some documentation for myself, and sure enough, I called and told them I was the dutiful daughter, and I was so sorry (sic) -- I got back the documentation that Mr. Blank of blank address, was a member of Jeffersontown Lodge #774, in blank, Kentucky, date of birth, blah blah blah. He entered his first degree in the Masonic Lodge in 1965, made second degree in February, 1966, and made the Master Mason in March, 1966 -- all within one year. How is that possible? I don't know. Is there a correlation. In this case, for this particular Lodge, I believe there is some collaborative evidence there and that is, that there were two other cases that had been prosecuted and convicted -- two other perpetrators from the same Masonic Lodge to which my perpetrator had been a member of for thirty plus years. Is there a correlation there? Do birds of a feather flock together?

Whether it's a Masonic Lodge, whether it is a church, whether it is - you name it. Are they all this way? I don't know. I am not going to interpret that for my detective. Let him draw that conclusion. Why is that all these perpetrators are coming out of this certain place? Whatever organization it is. Should they look at that? Yeah, I think so. Especially since I went out and took pictures of it, and it is right above the daycare centre. Might there be a problem? I don't know. Can I say something about that to police? I certainly can. Gee -- did you know that X,Y and Z case which was published in the newspaper, and convicted -- did you know these two convicted perpetrators belonged to this organization and guess what? My perpretrator belonged to this organization also. Are they going to do something with this in a court of law? Nah. Or is that going to lead your detective to say, "yeah, there's something here." Probably. Are they going to talk about that in a public forum? No. They are not. They are going to deal with what is in the statutes.

That's why every survivor who is able to get through the criminal justice system -- you are a star. You are a ray of hope. You are forming a path. You are gathering information and empowerment to give to another survivor, because nobody else has given that to you. You will gather that information. You will pass it on. You will show -- people will learn from what you have done.

[Question & Comment from Audience: In Thunder Bay, Ontario there were approximately 170 men in the perpetrators' treatment program at the Lakehead Psychiatric Hospital last year -- and yet in the same year, there were perhaps only two published convictions for sexual abuse of children in the region. My math isn't very good, so I don't know what percentage that represents ... but there is something very, very wrong. Comment from Audience: It works out to approximately 99.99% don't get convicted.]

It's called, "It's Stacked Against the Victim" and the perpetrators pretty much roam free. They do what they want. They rape, they maim, they torture, they kill, and they get away with it -- until someone is empowered enough to stop one perpetrator -- which means you have stopped, or you have prevented potentially 30 victims in the future. That's what you have done when you have the capacity -- and no one should ever -- if you have survivors who aren't able to prosecute for whatever reason -- whether it's statute of limitations, whatever -- never, ever apply pressure or infer there is something wrong with that person because they did not pursue a course of legal action. That's just not fair, and can be a re-victimization of that victim to say that "you are less than ... because you did not pursue the case." It's just grossly unfair because there aren't too many who are able to do it, and as I said in the beginning, one of the reasons I could do it, is because I don't have children. It would have been much, much different if I had children behind me ... and I was in the position of keeping them safe and protected. I never believed I would be able to protect my own child -- I always felt the perpetrator could get access to my child. But I can tell you at this point, there are four siblings -- I have two older brothers, myself, and a sister who is a year younger than I -- none of us have any children. That is statistically very rare for a whole sibling group to have no children. So it has stopped -- it has stopped with our generation. It has stopped with yours. It is a horrible price to pay.

I left something out that is very important -- when you move in a criminal case or a civil case -- one of the first things you should do is have your attorney freeze the perpetrator's damn assets -- don't give him a chance to hide those assets, because he will make an attempt to do that. That's one thing a lot of attorneys don't know. Immediately, file, freeze those assets, so you have something to get access to -- hey, you have won half a million dollar suit against your perpetrator, and he's hidden all the assets, and he has filed bankruptcy. There goes your dream of having your therapy paid for. Was I cut out of the will? Yeah, there was an attempt to have me cut out, and I pursued it myself, without an attorney. My access to my measly $12,000 inheritance. $12,000 was a lot to me though -- I paid off some medical bills -- he could have got out of this earlier on, because when I filed the warrant to invite him into court -- guess what the perpetrator tried to do? There is another thing you have to learn -- there is this thing called the Judge's Chambers -- it's sort of back here somewhere. There are things that happen there, and it's called "a done deal". There are deals that go down back there that you don't have access to. And that's one important reason I have my own attorney -- you want her back there finding out what the done deal is. When the perpetrator comes into District Court after I filed the first degree rape charges there is the old plea bargain - they want to make a deal. His attorney says, "gee, he is willing to plead guilty to a midsdemeanour of facilitating child sexual abuse -- believe it or not, that just gave a lot more umph to my police detective, because it verified everything I had been talking about multiple perpetrators. If you are "facilitating child sexual abuse" guess what, there are more than two people involved -- the victim, the perpetrator, and the one facilitating. He is willing to plead guilty that he was facilitating child sexual abuse -- "Hey, I didn't do it, but I sort of facilitated it ..." in lieu of pursuing the further criminal action against him. My attorney is back there, and she says, "We won't pursue if you will give her $50,000 -- or his attorney throws out that figure -- and they come back to me. "Will you be willing to accept a misdemeanour plea bargan of facilitating child sexual abuse and $50,000?" Nah. I wasn't willing to do it. That wasn't going to buy me. God forbid for me to be the judge of that -- if it was easier on you, and you could get $50,000 and this was enough for you, take it and go. If you can actually get access to that $50,000, and that's questionable. They may say that as a done deal, but after the fact, "gee, I am bankrupt." So you have to be careful about accepting plea bargains and money. You want to see the dollar on the table ahead of time.

I was not willing to accept that misdemeanour plea bargain, because I knew that Kentucky had passed the sex offender registry -- now everybody has the sex offenders registry thanks to Megan's Law. At the time, 1992, I wanted to make sure that he got a Felony Conviction, because only felony convictions go on the convicted perpetrators list. So in order to stop my perpetrator, I knew I had to have that felony conviction, that way it would go out to all of these jurisdictions and warn everyone that he is a sex offender and it would further open the door for his other victims to file criminal charges.

[Question from audience: Does that apply to all the states, or will it just apply to each state individually?] I am not sure how they are going to do that. What I understand at this point is that police jurisdictions are going to have access to the information -- that is being challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union. Does anybody know more information concerning that? As far as I know, it's still up in the air. [Question re: mother] My mother is a co-offender. My mother was 16 years old when she had her first child, there were four of us in a row. My mother was an only child. As I found out much later, and this is doing your homework, the person I was told was my mother's mother, was in fact not my mother's mother. From what I have been able to find out, my mother's father was a doctor, and supposedly my mother was a child of some woman he had an affair with. I don't know who my mother's mother is ... I have never met any of her relatives. I don't know anything about her family. The person I was told was my grandmother, she is still alive, she is 96 years old. I asked her about my mother's heritage, about that, and she just gave me the answer, "let that rest ... let's not talk about it." So it was a clear message to me she is not going to reveal. I will probably never get that information unfortunately. I do a lot of minimizing concerning my mother's abuse -- she is clearly a co-offender. What I mean by that is she knowingly participated in that. She actually used her medications on me for my venereal infections, so she knew about that ... but to tell you the truth, 35 years ago, if she had gone and said, "oh my husband is raping my daughter" do you think anybody would have done anything about it? No. Nobody would have done anything about it. They would have likely sent her over to the mental hospital, shocked the shit out of her, and that would take care of that, give her some drugs and blame it on a wandering uterus. I am not exaggerating one bit there. That actually is what happened a lot of times.

[Question from audience: What about your own siblings, their own denial or their own reality of what happened?] My sister is totally supportive. She gave a deposition to the police concerning her own victimization and witnessing what she knew about my victimization. She was not ritually abused, she is not multiple, but she has typical amnesia and dissociative symptoms as many trauma survivors have. My oldest brother pretty much took over ... I want to refrain from answering that. My two older brothers are not supportive, they are in denial, although my oldest brother admitted to me that my father took a 2x4 and beat him up with it in the basement for getting a bad grade on his report card. Now, I could have told anybody, I was not there and I did not see that. We are talking about traumatic forgetting, what Dr. Whitfield was talking about this morning. My sister says, "oh yes you were, you were standing right beside me." The perpetrator had called all of us to the basement -- my mother, sister, two brothers -- our oldest brother getting the punishment. We were all there to witness this incident. My oldest brother admits that to me, on the telephone, and he admits that took place. But like a lot of victims, he minimized that. He sided with the perpetrator. I don't know what it holds for them.

Wayne Morris:

We have been listening to a presentation by Jeanette Westbrook about prosecuting perpetrators about ritual and sexual abuse. In addition to Jeanette's abilities as a social worker, she is also a singer and musician, and we are going to bring you a song entitled "Holocaust" recorded by Jeanette, that she dedicates to all survivors of cult ritual abuse, mind control and child abuse. Right after that, we will bring you an interview I conducted with Jeanette Westbrook.

Contents

Jeanette's Song

A lifetime of living is like a lifetime of dying
When the moon is full there is darkness all around
Hands go up with their lies they will be bound
And the souls of men they are nowhere to be found
In a Holocaust, it happens on your street,
Holocaust, the victims you will meet
Of the Holocaust ... can't you count the cost?
There's a price to be paid, you will pay it one day.
A lifetime of trying to not hear the crying
Of the children who only want to live
The blood of life is all they have to give
And their sacrifice will not give them what they need
It will not squelch their hunger and their greed
For a Holocaust
It happens on your street,
Holocaust, The victims you will meet,
Of a Holocaust. Can't you count the cost?
There's a price to pay, you will pay it one day.

-- Every year there are 50,000 children who disappear.

A lifetime of giving hope to the living,
That history will not be your destiny
And all the world will hear the words you say
Tomorrow, forever a day.
Holocaust
You will pay it one day Holocaust ...

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26-11-2009, 01:32 PM

Wayne Morris:

I will start off by asking you how was the process initially when you started remembering your abuse, and how much time had passed since the abuse ended?

Jeanette Westbrook:

Well, my last hands-on abuse by my main perpetrator, my father, occurred when I was 24 years old ... so, ongoing from early childhood all the way til I was 24. The process of remembering is the old off-again, on-again process of remembering, but only remembering certain incidents, or only having flashes like viewing a far-away video that sometimes became clear, and sometimes was fog-covered. I really started getting a lot of my memories and flashbacks at age 28 when I met and married my husband.

Wayne Morris:

Were there certain things that triggered flashbacks for you or ... how did they come?

Jeanette Westbrook:

I have an idea about how that happens. I think, for me, that when I married my husband I was then in a routine day-to-day relationship with someone, with an ongoing sexual relationship. What prompted me to enter therapy was shortly after I got married, I was sitting on the bed in our bedroom, and he simply placed his hand on my leg, on my knee and I had a flashback, and I started breaking things. I was full of rage. It was almost like I blacked out when I did this, or what I know now to be a "switch". After this, I thought, "oh my god ... what is going on? I have to do something." Little did I know that there were parts of me that throughout the years had gone to other therapists trying to get help without my knowledge.

Wayne Morris:

You had gone to therapy for other things that were happening in your life before the age of 28?

Jeanette Westbrook:

Yes, but I did not know that "they" were going to a therapist and talking about incest. They actually approached therapists and most of the time, from what I now understand, most therapists at the time in the early 1980's and even in the 70's weren't dealing with issues of incest, period.

Wayne Morris:

When did you suspect that you had Dissociative Identity Disorder?

Jeanette Westbrook:

After I started having flashbacks, I started getting the memory as a child of being ostracized and isolated in school because I had failed the first grade, repeated the first grade. At the end of my second grade, they tested my IQ, and it was only 80 points at the time, which was a reflection, I believe, of the overwhelming trauma that I was experiencing. In the seventh grade I was walking down the school hall, and I was sad, lonely, feeling that I had no friends, and one of my parts, Jenny, said to me, "I will show you how to make friends ... I will do it for you." So this part, Jenny, an alter, or however you want to frame that, was so outgoing and talented and could sing, could do so many things I felt at the time I could not do ... she was winning friends all over the school, so we had a social life. This part of me lived many years of my life for me, or had most of the time, lived a lot of my life for me so I wouldn't be lonely, or ostracized. So I would have a social life so I could gai n some social skills ...

Wayne Morris:

Can you talk about what age you think your abuse by your father started, and what kind of things happened?

Jeanette Westbrook:

There were various types of abuse ... as a young child, I didn't have enough food to eat. That was a result of plain old neglect. It was not because there wasn't enough money to provide food, it was because of neglect. One vivid memory that I had, which I have drawn pictures of, and reported to my police detective in the course of prosecuting my father ... I was hung upside down with ropes from rafters in the garage beside our house. I still have the scars on my ankles from this. I was threatened with a welding rod. I was penetrated with an object, hanging upside down. Other types of abuse would be simply just being in bed, taken from my home, raped ... it could be any time, any time of the night. It could be with people I knew or did not know.

Wayne Morris:

When you say ritual abuse, what do you mean by that?

Jeanette Westbrook:

Ritual abuse is severe physical, spiritual, mental abuse at the hands of multiple perpetrators. I mean abuse that is taken in the context of not only a spiritual or religious belief, but abuse that is very hard to define as to "why?" -- which victims ultimately ask. Why? It is abuse that is torturous, involves torture, threats of torture, threats to your person, to your very being, threats to humanity, threats to persons that you hold dear, threats to your pets ...

Wayne Morris:

And through these threats, did you feel that you couldn't escape the situation, you couldn't just run away from it?

Jeanette Westbrook:

Yes. I felt that way, and to explain how my childhood was ... we were over-controlled when we were very young, and as we became teenagers, there was no control. We were running the streets. We were everywhere. Promiscuous, drug-using. The house was loaded with drugs. There was no need to go out in the street to find drugs. It was right there. It was a proverbial drugstore.

Wayne Morris:

Was it your father who was bringing drugs in?

Jeanette Westbrook:

My father assisted someone in my family with what I consider drug dealing, but in my opinion it was not that person who was responsible, but ultimately my father was responsible for this.

Wayne Morris:

What was the relationship to your father of some of these other perpetrators?

Jeanette Westbrook:

Some were known to him through his fraternal organization, some were known to him through his religious organization but I definitely feel he didn't belong to the religious organization -- it was simply a way to procure more victims. I was not his only victim. I was not his only victim in our family. He had multiple victims outside of our family. When I revealed to one of my father's relatives, his only remaining direct relative, she said she had been raped by two of the same family members who had raped me as a child. I was able to document at least three generations. The police also had photographs and access to the site where I was taken as a child in the context of ritual abuse. The evidence existed. Not only did my detective investigate, and believe me, I had other police officers who supported me, accompanied me to approach the District Attorney.

Wayne Morris:

Did you feel that specifically the Masonic context had anything to do with the rituals themselves, were there Masonic elements to the ritual abuse?

Jeanette Westbrook:

I don't necessarily feel that there was. I feel that birds of a feather flock together. I feel that his cohorts in his fraternal organization, in terms of joining in the abuse of me, was because they were all pedophiles -- simply pedophiles -- regardless of whether they were practicing satanists, regardless of whether they were a member of a fraternal organization, regardless of whether they were a boy scout leader, regardless of whether they were a community figure, regardless of whether they worked for state government, regardless of whether they worked for federal government. What is indicative to me, that underlies all this, is the fact that the persons who commit crimes against children of the most hideous nature -- crimes that are sadistically violent -- I think that he and others attempted not only to sadistically me, but to split my mind into as many pieces, to split my personality. My sister remembered my father calling me by other names. She wondered why was she being called by these other names. He definitely knew of my alter personalities.

Wayne Morris:

This sounds a lot like the deliberate creation of multiple personalities with the government mind control experiments. Did you feel that your father had knowledge of these kinds of techniques, or that he just picked up that you did have multiple personalities, and he just continued to use that against you?

Jeanette Westbrook:

I have not completed all of my research concerning his military career and any connections there. From what I know now, I would find it very remote that he would have known this on his own (the capacity to induce this). However, I do believe that organizations, whether we want to call them satanists, or whether we want to call them organized pedophile clubs, whether we want to call them mind control, are very much aware of multiple personality defence systems. They definitely know about it, and they seek to create it as a way to keep their abuse of the victim hidden. They use this in a manner that protects their identity, so that I and all parts of me being abused, horrible, sadistic abuse -- could get up in the morning, and function, and go to school, and come home, and live with these perpetrators.

Wayne Morris:

Did your father just outright threaten you if you told anybody?

Jeanette Westbrook:

Absolutely yes. He threatened me, not only verbally, but he threatened me with a welding rod. A welding rod is an item that is hot enough to melt metal.

Wayne Morris:

Did you specifically choose to leave out the ritualistic aspects of the abuse in the court, or did you somehow want to work that in?

Jeanette Westbrook:

I definitely left that out. Because there were no statutes against ritual abuse, it was clear that the courts would not proceed under a statute that did not exist. First degree rape, whether in the context of ritual or organized abuse, rape is rape is rape. That's a crime used in force. That's a felony crime. Used by your first degree relative, it is incest.

Wayne Morris:

If you did introduce testimony regarding the ritual abuse aspects, how do you think that would have been received by the court?

Jeanette Westbrook:

I think it would have been very difficult, if not impossible; however, the players behind the scenes, that is the District Attorney, the police officers involved in my case, my own personal attorney, and persons in the Kentucky Attorney General's office -- everyone knew it was a ritual abuse case. People were very much sure of the case because of the vast amount of collaborative evidence that I had, and supporting testimony from other victims.

Wayne Morris:

While you were gathering evidence for your case, did you feel you were hampered or sabotaged in any way by your perpetrators?

Jeanette Westbrook:

Not only do I feel that I was sabotaged, I feel that the entire criminal justice system not only erected barriers in front of me to the criminal justice system, but in essence stuck their foot out and tripped me several times -- each time I got up and moved over those barriers and used every advocacy organization that I could contact. I had letters of support from other victims who were behind me in my call to go through the criminal justice system to bring the perpetrator to justice. I did not seek a criminal recourse against my perpetrator until I got the knowledge that my perpetrator not only had raped me, but had raped other victims. I could not stand for myself, but I found the courage to stand up for others. In the system, absolutely there was sabotage, not only within the system, my father was very much connected with the system that existed in the jurisdiction in which I brought charges. As a matter of fact, the D.A. refused to bring charges, even in the face of massive evidence. Even in the face of my police detective tape recording my perpetrator over the telephone, getting this information on tape. Even in the face of taped admissions -- refusing to go forward with the case to the point where I involved the Attorney General's office, the victims' advocacy division, and they sent a contingent to the local D.A. insisting that my case be released, or insisting that they prosecute my case. The D.A. still refused to prosecute the case, and then the Attorney General's office interceded and moved to take jurisdiction of the case, and then moved to extradite my perpetrator (who was then living in another state) back to the state of Kentucky to stand trial on felony first degree rape.

Wayne Morris:

So at that point upon the extradition, the trial was ready to go forward then?

Jeanette Westbrook:

Yes it was.

Wayne Morris:

Can you talk about what happened at this point ...

Jeanette Westbrook:

The Attorney General's office went forward with the process of drawing up the extradition papers, ready to extradite him. My perpetrator happened to be out of the United States meeting with presidents and dignitaries of foreign countries. Upon his return to the United States, he came home on a Thursday night, Friday night he fixed steak dinners on a barbeque. By Sundy he was dead. He died at home. The reason given was that supposedly he died of a heart attack at age 64. It was signed off by a private physician. There was no autopsy done which is very unusual given the person was being charged with felony indictments, and being extradited back to another state, which is fairly rare.

Wayne Morris:

Did your father have a history of heart problems before that?

Jeanette Westbrook:

From what I understand he was fairly healthy, although there had been other deaths in his family of heart attacks and I might add, deaths by other family members who were perpetrators.

Wayne Morris:

When your father was visiting the foreign countries, this was with the business of the nucelar power stations ... his work ...

Jeanette Westbrook:

Yes, it was connected with the nuclear industry ... that is, what he was doing in those countries was formulating programs for these countries that had formerly been under communist rule who depended heavily on nuclear power for industry, for heating their homes, etc. and he was there helping them develop new nuclear power systems from what I understand -- especially from the aspect of nuclear safety in which the communist regimes were sorely lacking in safety precautions in domestic applications.

Wayne Morris:

... not only in the communist countries ...

You have been listening to Jeanette Westbrook MSW, a social worker, singer, and survivor of ritual and sexual abuse by her father and others. As we have heard, her father was the Director for the organization responsible for inspecting all nuclear power plants in the USA. He was a Grand Master Mason, Boy Scout leader, and church deacon. Jeanette's legal case against her father, if it had gone forward, would have created a scandal. Just before having to face charges in court, Jeanette's father died. This has been show number 22 in the ongoing series on mind control. Tune in next week for an interview with Dr. Stephen Kent about cult ritual abuse. You have been listening to CKLN 88.1.

rapunzel

26-11-2009, 09:18 PM

Carol Queen is a pagan by her own admission, and, and that's the reason i've included her, she's listed amongst other pagans/wiccans in various most influental lists. those lists are from wicca sites btw.

See it's actually pretty straight forward, the whole wicca pagan thing is just another strand in the world wide web of interconnected organisations/beliefs/secret societies. You have a hierachy, even if you don't say it exists. you have big organisations/covens who connect various others together. you have the leading people who head or/and have influence in these organisations. And there are countless connections between wicca/paganism and masonry, the golden dawn, rosicrucians, etc.. You have the importance of heredity i.e bloodline.

Witchcraft is the female strand in the brotherhood, while most other secret societies and structures are male dominated witchcraft shows the opposite, it's dominated by woman, not just in numbers but also in influence. Take a look at the two biggest systems in modern wicca, for example Garderian witchcraft.

Gerald Gardner claimed to have learned The Craft from a hereditary witch by the name of Dorothy Clutterbuck. The witch who led the New Forest Coven (almost exlusevly women) However Gardners ritual and other material was cobbled together from various occult sources including Freemasonry and the work of Aleister Crowley. Gardner also relied heavily on Sir James Frazer's descriptions of pagan rituals in The Golden Bough. Gardner was initiated by Crowley into the OTO btw. Also connected enough to attend parties at buckingham palace. Some sources even claim Gardner was Presidential Attaché to the European Council of Princes. Haven't come around to confirm that yet but it certainly would fit the picture. But regardless he's still an elite stooge to the fullest. connected with masonry, crowley, and others.

But hey gardnerian wicca is spiritual, and it's cool! look even bjork is into it.
http://brentberryarts.com/bjork_art/17be2c3c0.jpg

And she rocks doesn't she?

Please show me where wicca is any different to all the other controlled fields within society. Wicca is part of the network, and connected to it in so many ways it's impossible to ignore it.

Then we have the strega path, it too is said to origin from a hereditary witch, a woman. often refered to as La Vecchia Religione, the old religion.
The story goes that the daughter of diana came to earth to teach witchcraft to the oppressed, so they can fight the church and feudal lords.

We have a strong emphasis on the moon, the goddess, in witchcraft, which just happens to be the other side of the coin of brotherhood worship of the son, the son god. Then the horned god, 'the god of the hunt' lol, sure!

Wicca is the fastest growing religion on earth, no wonder seeing as it's promoted all over the place. Witchcraft is cool now, harry potter and various other books/films/musik/stars are used to introduce young minds to the craft of the ''wise''

That alone tells me that the ptb want people to get involved in witchcraft. When they want us to accept something, or view something a certain way then they will use their media and their frontmen (authors, journalists, etc) to promote this idea/belief system/way of life. Consequently we are bombarded by it from every angle.

As for my list, it shows that witches are not persecuted, at all. In fact it seems to help your career just as being a mason helps, or being otherwise connected to the brotherhood. Many of the peoples who mold our minds are witches, and i can see why, having read some of their works i must admit they are exceptional skilled in double speak, and programming through words.

I can also see now what they mean with the term ''witch-speak''

Anyway, i will start a different thread about witchcraft, as i don't want to cluster up this one with arguements about it. And there will be endless circular arguements i can tell you that much. Talking to a wiccan about their religion is like talking to a fundamental christian, or a mason about the ills of masonry.

I have tried to explain to you, to the best of my ability, how Wicca works but you appear to have ignored practically everything I have said. You have produced not one shred of evidence that Wicca is part of any so-called Illuminati organisation. Not one shred. Co-operation and friendship between like minded people is seen as something sinister. This "hierarchy" you speak of cannot be very influential since no-one I know ( and I have been emailing many friends or speaking to them on the phone about this subject) appears to know anything about their supposed influence. So they seem to be a bit of a washout and a failure.

Yes, these big organisations sometimes connect together but so what! It's called friendship and co-operation. You don't seem to be able to take in what I am saying because you have already made up your mind about this subject. Not listening to what people say is not a very intelligent action. I took the trouble to respond in detail to most of your points but you do not do the same for me, proving that you have skimmed over most of what I have said, nor are you able to refute anything I have said, referring to fall back on the usual accusations, which are so easy to make but impossible to prove. Still, when did proof and intelligent debate matter to any of your people. Throw accusations around and then leave the room. Mud sticks, doesn't it, that's what you people thrive on.

I'm amused by your description of Gerald Gardner. You should have spoken to people who knew him. Yes he did attend a Garden Party to thank him for his civil service work in the Far East. Lots of ordinary people attend Buckingham Palace Garden Parties as their purpose is to say thank you to people who work for the community or who have achieved a lot in their jobs. As for the European Council of Princes this is a fictional organisation apparently dreamed up by a fraudulent claimant to the throne of England, Prince Michael Stewart with some of his accomplices. So much for your research.

I am not aware of any "network" nor am I connected to any organisation. I am no longer a member of the Pagan Federation although I may rejoin so who exactly is influencing me? If you can show exactly how I and other individual Wiccans are being influenced by these so called "Illuminati" then I will take back all I have said but you cannot.

Your comment: " the two biggest systems in modern wicca, for example Garderian witchcraft" is hilarious and shows your absolute lack of knowledge.

Yes, witchcraft is seen as cool which to me is a tragedy. It's not what we want. We want people who are prepared to buckle down to hard work, and are prepared to spend years developing their craft without any reward. Not silly teenagers who want to cast spells before they can even walk. Luckily most of these fluffies get fed up after a few years and get "into" something else. Never trust anyone who says they are "into" anything.

You obviously have no idea of who or what the Horned God is, like most non-believers you thin k you know but show your ignorance of the history of religion.

As for your belief that Wiccans and Pagans do not get persecuted then all I can say is you haven't met any. Perhaps you should speak to 2 of my friends who lost their jobs because of their religion some years ago. Luckily, because of lobbying by organisations such as the PF we now have some protection in law. Or perhaps the friend who had her children taken away by social services because the Born Again social worker didn't approve of her religion or in fact a very good friend of mine, a decorated ex soldier who was disabled because of his service and who died because a Born Again housing worker refused to do any repairs to his house. Or the Wiccan shop owners who have their windows broken. No religious persecution there then. I'll say no more because I am just wasting my time and I am getting angry. Wallow in your ignorance and negativity. I await your "proof" with bated breath.

mtex

26-11-2009, 11:01 PM

Carol Queen is a pagan by her own admission, and, and that's the reason i've included her, she's listed amongst other pagans/wiccans in various most influental lists. those lists are from wicca sites btw. .

Soulja, I have posted a thread exposing this "dr." Carol Queen over here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92911

Please consider all the evidence I have included in this post.
This woman is toast. Her *fraud* is OVER!

Rapunzel, you need to check this out too.

Maria Technosux
anti-fascist blogger

soulja

27-11-2009, 11:11 AM

I have tried to explain to you, to the best of my ability, how Wicca works but you appear to have ignored practically everything I have said.

My research paints a very different picture of wicca than the one you are propagating here. I don't ignore what you say, i just take it with a pinch of salt seeing as it's the opinion of a believer.

You have produced not one shred of evidence that Wicca is part of any so-called Illuminati organisation. Not one shred. Co-operation and friendship between like minded people is seen as something sinister.

Depends on a) what you believe the illuminati is/are and b) how you see the evidence. What you call co-operation and friendship is excately the same mo we see with all the other controlled aspects of society. They even use the same names for their organisations.

Also, alone the endless connections between wicca/paganism and masonry, rosicrucians, the golden dawn, oto, and so on are a rather strong indicator that there exists indeed a link to the ''illuminati'' Add to that the supportive mainstream media, which if wicca where somehow opposed to the power structure or even a threat would treat it very differently. defame it, etc..

This "hierarchy" you speak of cannot be very influential since no-one I know ( and I have been emailing many friends or speaking to them on the phone about this subject) appears to know anything about their supposed influence. So they seem to be a bit of a washout and a failure.

Ok so because you and your friends don't know anything about their influence means they have none. Even though they founded and head the big organisations and covens, write/wrote the bestselling books, and are the international recognized representatives of wicca and neo paganism.

You know, most people i know have not the slightest clue of the influence a family like the Rothschilds holds. Does that mean the Rothschilds have no influence? Or does that logic only work with wicca and your friends?

Yes, these big organisations sometimes connect together but so what! It's called friendship and co-operation.

Yes and the same can be said about the network consisting of CFR, Trilaterals, Bilderberger, Royal institute of international affairs. It's just friendship and co-operation. same goes for the blending of masonry with rosicrucians and the rest.

You don't seem to be able to take in what I am saying because you have already made up your mind about this subject. Not listening to what people say is not a very intelligent action. I took the trouble to respond in detail to most of your points but you do not do the same for me, proving that you have skimmed over most of what I have said, nor are you able to refute anything I have said, referring to fall back on the usual accusations, which are so easy to make but impossible to prove. Still, when did proof and intelligent debate matter to any of your people. Throw accusations around and then leave the room. Mud sticks, doesn't it, that's what you people thrive on.

Refute what? your religious belief? And i'd love to see the parts of your posts that contain proof or at least those parts that deserve the label 'intelligent debate' All i have seen so far is your opinion delivered in the absolut uncritical manner of an religious believer.

I'm amused by your description of Gerald Gardner. You should have spoken to people who knew him. Yes he did attend a Garden Party to thank him for his civil service work in the Far East. Lots of ordinary people attend Buckingham Palace Garden Parties as their purpose is to say thank you to people who work for the community or who have achieved a lot in their jobs.

No, the party was a recognition of the years of service to the British government i.e the Queen, he had served in the far east. The party is a good point actually, i mean just look at the company Gardner kept. There's the big influence of the Rosicrucian Crotona fellowship of whom many new forest coven witches were members of. Then you have Crowley who initiated him into the OTO. Cecil Williamson, who was MI6. J.S.M Ward, a freemason. Mabel Besant Scott, who was the head of british Co-masonry. In fact what through Gardner's work became the religion of wicca, was mostly borrowed from other sources, including Crowley, Valiente, freemasonry and rosicrucians.

So the very foundation, or let it just be one pillar of the foundation, of your religion comes directly from brotherhood sources.

As for the European Council of Princes this is a fictional organisation apparently dreamed up by a fraudulent claimant to the throne of England, Prince Michael Stewart with some of his accomplices. So much for your research.

The European Council of Princes is a not a fictional organisation, it's registered in brussel. By a hohenzoller btw. You're right though, Gerald has nothing to do with it, i confused him with laurence gardner, my bad.

I am not aware of any "network" nor am I connected to any organisation. I am no longer a member of the Pagan Federation although I may rejoin so who exactly is influencing me? If you can show exactly how I and other individual Wiccans are being influenced by these so called "Illuminati" then I will take back all I have said but you cannot.

You seem to confuse and equate wiccans like yourself with those on the top.

Your comment: " the two biggest systems in modern wicca, for example Garderian witchcraft" is hilarious and shows your absolute lack of knowledge.

So Stregehria and Garderian witchcraft are not the two biggest and also most popular systems in wicca? Is that what you're saying?

Yes, witchcraft is seen as cool which to me is a tragedy. It's not what we want. We want people who are prepared to buckle down to hard work, and are prepared to spend years developing their craft without any reward. Not silly teenagers who want to cast spells before they can even walk. Luckily most of these fluffies get fed up after a few years and get "into" something else. Never trust anyone who says they are "into" anything.

That might be so, the point however is, why is witchcraft so popular these days? because of the support of the media, the establishment, and famous musicians and other artists. There is clearly a promotion of witchcraft going on. That in itself should raise questions, if you keep in mind who controls the media.

You obviously have no idea of who or what the Horned God is, like most non-believers you thin k you know but show your ignorance of the history of religion.

Bottom line is you're worshipping the horned god. no matter what they told you he or it really is, it's still a horned god. On top of that is the same goddess (under various names) worshipped by wiccans as by the rest of the brotherhood. now there's a coincidence. As for my ignorance of your history, the funny thing is there is no real history. Even pagans admit that, of course only pagans who have looked at it from an neutral pov. For example, the idea of the horned god comes largely from Murray, and her book was very poor when it comes to historical accuracy.

As for your belief that Wiccans and Pagans do not get persecuted then all I can say is you haven't met any. Perhaps you should speak to 2 of my friends who lost their jobs because of their religion some years ago. Luckily, because of lobbying by organisations such as the PF we now have some protection in law. Or perhaps the friend who had her children taken away by social services because the Born Again social worker didn't approve of her religion or in fact a very good friend of mine, a decorated ex soldier who was disabled because of his service and who died because a Born Again housing worker refused to do any repairs to his house. Or the Wiccan shop owners who have their windows broken. No religious persecution there then. I'll say no more because I am just wasting my time and I am getting angry. Wallow in your ignorance and negativity. I await your "proof" with bated breath.

I guess the scores of pagans i've listed are exceptions to the rule then?

tamagen

27-11-2009, 02:41 PM

Thankfully I am not a member of any society just a hard working person who like the rest of us has to pay the bills and works for an organisation that does most certainly have a hierarchy and uses much neurolinguistic programming.
I too have looked into many things, since as a child I have been led to check things by contacts that others would see as clairaudient or clairsentient and have only passed information on to those I could trust, which are few. I know what and who I am but do not stick it on a bill board and thankfully am not related to those that are causing so much harm to this beautiful planet, it's people and animals.
It has only been by reading so much on this site that I fully realise why I have always avoided joining organisations and societies, even those that I thought might be trying to work for the good of the all.

David has given the true answer which is that Love is the truth and in the end no matter how long it takes it will prevail and the powers that have control will in the end be the losers.
Tamagen

hunkahunka

27-11-2009, 05:51 PM

audio:

Richard Hamlin interviewed on Red Ice Creations radio: (exposed Dr. involved with 'The Finders'.

http://www.redicecreationsfilm.com/radio/2006/07jul/RICR-060730-rhamlin.mp3

Richard William Hamlin in Jail? Incest atrocities with connections to Mk-Ultra
2005 04 12

Open Letter From Richard Hamlin:

Upated: 04.11.05

Greetings from El Dorado County Jail.

I want to thank the hundreds of people who have given my legal team support. Your e-mails, letters, and prayers have been felt and truly appreciated. Most importantly, those of you that have helped expose the child rapists behind my wrongful incarceration, I can’t thank you enough. My chances of winning my trial have improved greatly due to your efforts.

I want to begin by clarifying what this case is all about. My x-wife revealed to the El Dorado County sheriff’s that she has been ritually raped and actually tortured repeatedly by her father Dr. Sidney Siemer. My x-wife, Susan Hamlin, also confessed that she and her father, Dr. Siemer, molested our four children. Susan also admitted to molesting her own children by herself. She also told the sheriff’s department that Dr. Siemer used, at times, "Satanic ritual manipulation" to further his trauma, incest, and rape.

The traditional media has focused almost exclusively on the “Satanic” angle of this case. Such reporting in a miscarriage of justice to the real overriding issue of incest and molest and the psychotic methods child molesters will enforce to perpetrate their ongoing abuse.

This case is about incest. Susan Hamlin revealed that Dr. Siemer raped Susan and her three siblings and enforced his control over them through various forms of torture and tremendous fear.

This case is about incest. The abuse did not stop when the children left the home. Dr. Siemer, according to his daughter Susan, continued to have sex with her after she was married. Susan Hamlin stated her father had sex with her the night before our wedding.

This case is about incest. Susan Hamlin stated that she and her siblings were swapped with other incestuous families. She states that they were prostituted. Sleepovers at the Siemer’s provided the Dr. with an ongoing cattle of victims. The abuse was not contained to Dr. Siemer’s own children. According to Susan, she helped to allow her father, who raped her, more access to do the same to other children.

This case is about incest. Left untreated and unresolved—the victim becomes the perpetrator. Dr. Siemer “taught” Susan Hamlin how to molest her own children. Susan admitted to El Dorado County sheriffs that she molested her own children by herself and continued to let her father abuse her and our own children in Fresno, California.

This case is about incest. When Dr. Siemer’s son-in-law (me, Richard William Hamlin) began to publicly expose him as a child rapist and sought out law enforcement to arrest him, he decided, according to his daughter Susan Hamlin, to have me killed. When Susan appeared ready to abandon her role in the murder conspiracy and go to the police, Dr. Siemer, again according to Susan, had an associate beat her badly. The beating was meant to send a clear message to Susan to “stick with the murder plan” and not talk with the police. This was all documented in Susan Hamlin’s 2/26/04 statement to the police detectives.

Dr. Siemer was trying to shut me up.
Permanently.
He wanted me out of the way so he could avoid prosecution and could once again take full control of his daughter and her children for his sick incestuous predator addiction.

2/26/04: a day I thought was the end of Dr. Siemer’s incestuous reign of abuse.

My x-wife had revealed all. Apparently, her report was too much for El Dorado County, which seems to have a tendency to protect child molesters rather than prosecute them. Perhaps it was too tough a case. Their non-reaction in not properly investigating or prosecuting Dr. Siemer affected Susan Hamlin severely. The predator was still loose, and as her father had already told her: “No one will believe you.”

Two days later, Susan began to panic about her revelations and the wrath of her father. So in order to protect her father and herself from prosecution and/or her father’s punishment—she made up the lie that I beat her into making her original confessions. She now denies she was molested and denies she molested our children. Susan has decided to reunite with the monster. She is now back under the control of her father and other incestuous family members. It is the Siemer family’s desire to keep me locked up for 15 years to life. The Siemer family wants to maintain control over my four beautiful children with free reign to abuse them at will.

Fortunately, through our investigative efforts, we will not allow this to happen. We will win.

We have been able to obtain Susan’s diaries and journals. They support completely her original statement of 2/26/04. Susan wrote that she was molested, raped, and tortured by her father and she wrote of molesting her children with her father and by herself.

We have just received a report from a handwriting expert which confirms that Susan’s diaries and journals were not written under duress or dictated. She wrote them freely and with deep thought.

We have found a high school friend of Susan’s who will testify that Dr. Siemer molested her while she and Susan slept in the Siemer living room.

We have found that Susan’s sister Terri Aal has been involved in counseling due to her belief that she was molested. Susan has stated that her sister initially believed Dr. Siemer molested her but has “no memories.”

We have found a note written by Susan to a Siemer associate and conspirator in the murderer plot of me. The note was written by Susan to declare that she no longer wanted to be a part of the murder conspiracy.

We have obtained my 2nd son’s kindergarten “wish list,” written seven years ago, where he wrote: “I wish my mom would stop licking me.”

Renowned and well-respected investigative reporter, Virginia McCullough from NewsMakingNews.com has discovered the following:

“Dr. Siemer is a high ranking member of a CIA sanctioned child molestation ring called “the Finders.”
This of course is consistent with Michael Riconosciuto’s testimony that Dr. Siemer worked on illegal biological warfare research for the CIA and US Intelligence groups in Indio in 1982.

What we have found is that Dr. Sidney Siemer is a child molester. A child rapist. A predator who used methods of control he learned as a member of the Military Intelligence division of the US Army to further his crimes. Based on the evidence we have gathered we believe that Dr. Siemer was involved with the MK ULTRA program initiated by the Central Intelligence Agency. The MK ULTRA program taught men how to control and affect others through brain washing, and mind control methods using radiation and experimental biological agents. Susan described her father’s use of mind control as a mix of classical conditioning with hypnosis, electric shock, sensory deprivation, and family cult involvement to increase fear. Other witnesses tell of Dr. Siemer’s involvement in radiation experiments, covert operations, and have confirmed his high security clearance.

Also important is Dr. Siemer’s immediate entry into our higher educational system upon “leaving” military intel to acquire his PHD in Biological Chemistry. His chosen field is a perfect match for biological warfare research and as stated by Michael Riconosciuto, Siemer in fact does work with illegal biological agents for private interest groups. So, we have a man that used mind control, learned from our own government, to create the perfect incestuous family. Through what the government taught him, Siemer set out with deliberation to use that information to perpetuate his desire to have sex with his own children. Dr. Siemer knew that if you cause enough trauma in children their minds split into different personalities in order to survive. While the child survives during the trauma—its internal defense mechanism creates an amnesiac wall to protect the child from remembering but also protects the perpetrator from being found out. How has Siemer escaped detection?

Intimidation and friends in high places. Biological warfare research creates strange bedfellows. Perhaps a little quid pro quo?

Men like Dr. Sidney Siemer need to be stopped. Our legal team is not afraid of him. I am not afraid of him even as I face a possible life sentence for a crime I did not commit. Michael Riconosciuto is not afraid of Siemer’s group—even though the Federal Court has retaliated against Michael.

Child abuse is too important to ignore. We need your help. This is a fight for our children and for our future. If you know anything about Dr. Sidney Siemer, Susan Siemer Hamlin or individuals in child molest groups, families, or cults—please come forward. We need to hear from you. If you have been a victim—we want to hear from you. We must work together and we must act now.

Let me tell you about guilt. My children were hurt right under my own care. I feel that I should have been more aware of something wrong happening. I should have paid more attention to my children. I didn’t. I cared about me, material things, and my career. I didn’t see that my babies needed protection from grandpa, grandma, Mom, and their aunts and uncles.

For that I can never forgive myself.

At least I will not continue to make those mistakes. I will fight on and will not stop until the true criminals in this case are exposed—justice done—and the children’s health and welfare restored.

This is your fight too. Look at the examples we have. Michael Riconosciuto is in jail. He has fought the government over and over again. He could have seen my plight and said, “It’s not my fight,” yet he won’t. With nothing to gain—except a sense of justice and truth—he volunteered his information about Dr. Sidney Siemer.

As a result he has been removed from his medical facility to a new medical prison where his health has been greatly endangered. He has been sent to the “hole.” He has had paperwork from my case taken away. Yet, he fights on. He receives nothing from me except thanks and yet; he continues to fight for the truth.

Look to reporter Virginia McCullough who fights to constantly expose the truth despite threats and intimidation. McCullough is a rare breed of reporter who doesn't give up on a story but continues to investigate to get the full story. Hers is an investigation, not a politically correct sound bite.

Look to investigator Ted L. Gunderson who also continues to fight for the truth. Despite being the subject of disinformation, misquoted in the media, Ted continues to fight these sick individuals who perpetuate the worst horror known to mankind: the abuse of our children.

Look to my brother, Bradley Mason Hamlin, a highly skilled researcher who has taken time away from his career as an author, editor, and publisher to dedicate countless hours helping to uncoverthe truth.

I appeal to you, people I have yet to meet, come forward. We need your help. If you have information, you can and will make a difference.

Thank you,

Richard William Hamlin
*

good related link from reporter Virginia McCullough:

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/vm,hamlin,susansword,3,10,05.htm

hunkahunka

28-11-2009, 02:32 PM

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by Annie McKenna
Cover design and illustration by Sundra

Price: US $24.95
Published 1999
soft cover

If you are familiar with the movie Conspiracy Theory, imagine a story that goes behind the scenes to the character played by Mel Gibson (Jerry)–to his childhood as an unwitting subject in the CIA’s top secret project, MK-Ultra. PAPERCLIP DOLLS would tell you how Jerry most likely became the paranoid adult unable to remember his past and obsessed with government conspiracies.

PAPERCLIP DOLLS might be described as a psychothriller involving covert government operations, mind control experimentation with children, Nazi scientists who were ushered clandestinely into the United States following World War II (Operation Paperclip), and a bizarre plot to develop the ultimate secret weapon, a Manchurian Candidate–a spy/assassin/courier who would not remember his or her deeds.

The story, however, is nonfiction.

It’s the account of a woman who, at age 44, not only begins to remember a childhood she never knew existed, but also realizes she has multiple personalities as a result of her childhood trauma. She must learn to deal with the horrific memories while adjusting to the miraculous way her brain works and has protected her for years.

PAPERCLIP DOLLS is Annie McKenna’s story about healing from the horror of being placed into a government program known to her as Project Monarch at birth by her father who was military intelligence. The book is her personal account as relayed through her journaling, supportive research, and other writings of exactly how her memories revealed themselves, their impact on her life, and how she was able to quickly understand and gain control of her multiplicity. It is a story about overcoming a most insidious type of child abuse–one that was sanctioned by our own government and which was made public in the 70s. What the public didn’t know was that many of the unwitting subjects of mind control experiments, including the notorious MK-Ultra project, were children.

hunkahunka

28-11-2009, 05:22 PM

Tavistock - The Best Kept Secret In America
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TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE
30 Tabernacle Street
London EC2A 4DD

Formed in 1947, the Tavistock Institute is an independent not-for-profit organization which seeks to combine research in the social sciences with professional practice.
Three elements combine to make the Institute unusual, if not unique: it has the independence of being entirely self-financing, with no subsidies from the government or other sources; the action research orientation places it between, but not in, the worlds of academia and consultancy; and its range of disciplines include anthropology, economics, organizational behavior, political science, psychoanalysis, psychology and sociology.

The ideology of American foundations was created by the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations in London. In 1921, the Duke of Bedford, Marquess of Tavistock, the 11th Duke, gave a building to the Institute to study the effect of shellshock on British soldiers who survived World War I. Its purpose was to establish the "breaking point" of men under stress, under the direction of the British Army Bureau of Psychological Warfare, commanded by Sir John Rawlings-Reese.

Tavistock Institute is headquartered in London. Its prophet, Sigmond Freud, settled in Maresfield Gardens when he moved to England. He was given a mansion by Princess Bonaparte. Tavistock's pioneer work in behavioral science along Freudian lines of "controlling" humans established it as the world center of foundation ideology. Its network now extends from the University of Sussex to the U.S. through the Stanford Research Institute, Esalen, MIT, Hudson Institute, Heritage Foundation, Center of Strategic and International Studies at Georgetown, where State Dept. personal are trained, US Air Force Intelligence, and the Rand and Mitre corporations. The personnel of the corporations are required to undergo indoctrination at one or more of these Tavistock controlled institutions. A network of secret groups, the Mont Pelerin Society, Trilateral Commission, Ditchley Foundation, and the Club of Rome is conduit for instructions to the Tavistock network.

Tavistock Institute developed the mass brain-washing techniques which were first used experimentally on American prisoners of war in Korea. Its experiments in crowd control methods have been widely used on the American public, a surreptitious but nevertheless outrageous assault on human freedom by modifying individual behavior through topical psychology. A German refugee, Kurt Lewin, became director of Tavistock in 1932. He came to the U.S. in 1933 as a "refugee", the first of many infiltrators, and set up the Harvard Psychology Clinic, which originated the propaganda campaign to turn the American public against Germany and involve us in World War II. In 1938, Roosevelt executed a secret agreement with Churchill which in effect ceded U.S. sovereignty to England, because it agreed to let Special Operations Executive control U.S. policies. To implement this agreement, Roosevelt sent General Donovan to London for indoctrination before setting up OSS (now the CIA) under the aegis of SOE-SIS. The entire OSS program, as well as the CIA has always worked on guidelines set up by the Tavistock Institute.

Tavistock Institute originated the mass civilian bombing raids carried out by Roosevelt and Churchill purely as a clinical experiment in mass terror, keeping records of the results as they watched the "guinea pigs" reacting under "controlled laboratory conditions". All Tavistock and American foundation techniques have a single goal---to break down the psychological strength of the individual and render him helpless to oppose the dictators of the World Order. Any technique which helps to break down the family unit, and family inculcated principles of religion, honor, patriotism and sexual behavior, is used by the Tavistock scientists as weapons of crowd control. The methods of Freudian psychotherapy induce permanent mental illness in those who undergo this treatment by destabilizing their character. The victim is then advised to "establish new rituals of personal interaction", that is, to indulge in brief sexual encounters which actually set the participants adrift with no stable personal relationships in their lives, destroying their ability to establish or maintain a family.

Tavistock Institute has developed such power in the U.S. that no one achieves prominence in any field unless he has been trained in behavioral science at Tavistock or one of its subsidiaries. Henry Kissinger, whose meteoric rise to power is otherwise inexplicable, was a German refugee and student of Sir John Rawlings-Reese at SHAEF. Dr. Peter Bourne, a Tavistock Institute psychologist, picked Jimmy Carter for President of the U.S. solely because Carter had undergone an intensive brainwashing program administered by Admiral Hyman Rickover at Annapolis.

The "experiment" in compulsory racial integration in the U.S. was organized by Ronald Lippert, of the OSS and the American Jewish Congress, and director of child training at the Commission on Community Relations. The program was designed to break down the individual's sense of personal knowledge in his identity, his racial heritage. Through the Stanford Research Institute, Tavistock controls the National Education Association. The Institute of Social Research at the National Training Lab brain washes the leading executives of business and government. Such is the power of Tavistock that our entire space program was scrapped for nine years so that the Soviets could catch up. The hiatus was demanded in an article written by Dr. Anatol Rapport, and was promptly granted by the government, to the complete mystification of everyone connected with NASA. Another prominent Tavistock operation is the Wharton School of Finance, at the University of Pennsylvania.

A single common denominator identifies the common Tavistock strategy---the use of drugs. The infamous MK Ultra program of the CIA, in which unsuspecting CIA officials were given LSD, and their reaction studied like "guinea pigs", resulted in several deaths. The U.S. Government had to pay millions in damages to the families of the victims, but the culprits were never indicted. The program originated when Sandoz AG, a Swiss drug firm, owned by S.G. Warburg Co. of London, developed Lysergic Acid. Roosevelt's advisor, James Paul Warburg, son of Paul Warburg who wrote the Federal Reserve Act, and nephew of Max Warburg who had financed Hitler, set up the Institute fir Policy Studies to promote the drug. The result was the LSD "counter-culture" of the 1960s, the "student revolution", which was financed by $25 million from the CIA.

One part of MK Ultra was the Human Ecology Fund; the CIA also paid Dr. Herbert Kelman of Harvard to carry out further experiments on mind control. In the 1950s, the CIA financed extensive LSD experiments in Canada. Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, president of the Canadian Psychological Association, and director of Royal Victorian Hospital, Montreal, received large payments from the CIA to give 53 patients large doses of LSD and record their reactions; the patients were drugged into weeks of sleep and then given electric shock treatments. One victim, the wife of a member of the Canadian Parliament, is now suing the U.S. companies who provided the drug for the CIA. All the records of the CIA's drug testing program were ordered destroyed by the head of MK Ultra.

Because all efforts of the Tavistock Institute are directed toward producing cyclical collapse, the effect of the CIA programs are tragically apparent. R. Emmett Tyrell Jr., writing in the Washington Post August 20, 1984, cites the "squalid consequences of the 60s radicals in SDS" as resulting in "the growing rate of illegitimacy, petty lawlessness, drug addiction, welfare, VD, and mental illness".

This is the legacy of the Warburgs and the CIA. Their principal agency, the Institute for Policy Studies, was funded by James Paul Warburg; its co-founder was Marcus Raskin, protege of McGeorge Bundy, president of the Ford Foundation. Bundy had Raskin appointed to the post of President Kennedy's personal representative on the National Security Council, and in 1963 funded Students for Democratic Society, through which the CIA operated the drug culture.

Today the Tavistock Institute operates a $6 Billion a year network of Foundations in the U.S., all of it funded by U.S. taxpayers' money. Ten major institutions are under its direct control, with 400 subsidiaries, and 3000 other study groups and think tanks which originate many types of programs to increase the control of the World Order over the American people. The Stanford Research Institute, adjoining the Hoover Institution, is a $150 million a year operation with 3300 employees. It carries on program surveillance for Bechtel, Kaiser, and 400 other companies, and extensive intelligence operations for the CIA. It is the largest institution on the West Coast promoting mind control and the behavioral sciences.

One of the key agencies as a conduit for secret instructions from Tavistock is the Ditchley Foundation, founded in 1957. The American branch of the Ditchley Foundation is run by Cyrus Vance, former Secretary of State, and director of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Winston Lord, president of the Council on Foreign Relations.

One of the principal but little known operations of the Rockefeller Foundation has been its techniques for controlling world agriculture. Its director, Kenneth Wernimont, set up Rockefeller controlled agricultural programs throughout Mexico and Latin America. The independent farmer is a great threat to the World Order, because he produces for himself, and because his produce can be converted into capital, which gives him independence. In Soviet Russia, the Bolsheviks believed they had attained total control over the people; they were dismayed to find their plans threatened by the stubborn independence of the small farmers, the Kulaks. Stalin ordered the OGPU to seize all food and animals of the Kulaks, and to starve them out. The Chicago American, February 25, 1935 carried a front page headline, SIX MILLION PERISH IN SOVIET FAMINE; Peasants' Crops Seized, They and their Animals Starve. To draw attention from this atrocity, it was later alleged that the Germans, not the Soviets, had killed six million people, the number taken from the Chicago American headline by a Chicago publicist.

The Communist Party, the Party of the Peasants and Workers, exterminated the peasants and enslaved the workers. Many totalitarian regimes have found the small farmer to be their biggest stumbling block. The French Reign of Terror was directed, not against the aristocrats, many of whom were sympathetic to it, but against the small farmers who refused to turn over their grain to the revolutionary tribunals in exchange for the worthless assignats. In the United States, the foundations are presently engaged in the same type of war of extermination against the American farmer. The traditional formula of land plus labor for the farmer has been altered due to the farmer's need for purchasing power, to buy industrial goods needed in his farming operations. Because of this need for capital, the farmer is especially vulnerable to the World Order's manipulation of interest rates, which is bankrupting him. Just as in the Soviet Union, in the early 1930s, when Stalin ordered the Kulaks to give up their small plots of land to live and work on the collective farms, the American small farmer faces the same type of extermination, being forced to give up his small plot of land to become a hired hand for the big agricultural trusts. The Brookings Institution and other foundations originated the monetary programs implemented by the Federal Reserve System to destroy the American farmer, a replay of the Soviet tragedy in Russia, with one proviso that the farmer will be allowed to survive if he becomes a slave worker of the giant trusts.

Once the citizen becomes aware of the true role of the foundations, he can understand the high interest rates, high taxes, the destruction of the family, the degradation of the churches into forums for revolution, the subversion of the universities into CIA cesspools of drug addiction, and the halls of government into sewers of international espionage and intrigue. The American citizen can now understand why every agent of the federal government is against him; the alphabet agencies, the FBI, IRS, CIA and BATF must make war on the citizen in order to carry out the programs of the foundations.

The foundations are in direct violation of their charters, which commit them to do "charitable" work, because they make no grants which are not part of a political goal. The charge has been made, and never denied, that the Heritage-AEI network has at least two KGB moles on its staff. The employment of professional intelligence operatives as "charitable" workers, as was done in the Red Cross Mission to Russia in 1917, exposes the sinister political economic and social goals which the World Order requires the foundations to achieve through their "bequests ".

Not only is this tax fraud, because the foundations are granted tax exemption solely to do charitable work, but it is criminal syndicalism, conspiracy to commit offenses against the United States of America, Constitutional Law 213, Corpus Juris Secundum 16. For the first time, the close interlocking of the foundation "syndicate" has been revealed by the names of its principle incorporators---Daniel Coit Gilman, who incorporated the Peabody Fund and the John Slater Fund, and became an incorporator of the General Education Board (now the Rockefeller Foundation); Gilman, who also incorporated the Russell Trust in 1856, later became an incorporator of the Carnegie Institution with Andrew Dickson White (Russell Trust) and Frederic A. Delano. Delano also was an original incorporator of the Brookings Institution and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Daniel Coit Gilman incorporated the Russell Sage Foundation with Cleveland H. Dodge of the National City Bank. These foundations incorporators have been closely linked with the Federal Reserve System, the War Industries Board of World War I, the OSS of World War II and the CIA. They have also been closely linked with the American International Corporation, which was formed to instigate the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. Delano, an uncle of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, was on the original Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System in 1914. His brother-in-law founded the influential Washington law firm of Covington and Burling. The Delanos and other ruling families of the World Order trace their lineage directly back to William of Orange and the regime which granted the charter of the Bank of England.

Tavistock Institutions In The United States

* Flow Laboratories Gets contracts from the National Institutes of Health.
* Merle Thomas Corporation Gets contracts from the U.S. Navy, analyzes data from satellites.
* Walden Research Does work in the field of pollution control.

Planning Research Corporation, Arthur D. Little, G.E. "TEMPO", Operations Research Inc. Part of approximately 350 firms who conduct research and conduct surveys, make recommendations to government. They are part of what President Eisenhower called "a possible danger to public policy that could itself become captive of a scientific-technological elite."

Brookings Institution Dedicates its work to what it calls a "national agenda." Wrote President Hoover's program, President Roosevelt's "New Deal", the Kennedy Administration's "New Frontiers" program (deviation from it may have cost John F. Kennedy his life), and President Johnson's "Great Society." Brookings has been telling the United States Government how to conduct its affairs for the past 70 years and is still doing so.

Hudson Institute This institution has done more to shape the way Americans react to political and social events, think, vote and generally conduct themselves than perhaps any except the BIG FIVE. Hudson specializes in defense policy research and relations with the USSR. Most of its military work is classified as SECRET. (One idea during the Vietnam War was to build a moat around Saigon.) Hudson may be properly classified as one of the Committee of 300's BRAINWASHING establishments. One of its largest clients is the U.S. Department of Defense which includes matters of civil defense, national security, military policy and arms control.

National Training Laboratories One of the key institutions established for this purpose in the United States was the National Training Laboratories (NTL). Founded in 1947 by members of the Tavistock network in the United States and located originally on an estate in Bethel, Maine, NTL had as its explicit purpose the brainwashing of leaders of the government, educational institutions, and corporate bureaucracies in the Tavistock method, and then using these "leaders" to either themselves run Tavistock group sessions in their organizations or to hire other similarly trained group leaders to do the job. The "nuts and bolts" of the NTL operation revolves around the particular form of Tavistock degenerate psychology known as "group dynamics," developed by German Tavistock operative Kurt Lewin, who emigrated to the United States in the 1930s and whose students founded NTL. In a Lewinite brainwashing group, a number of individuals from varying backgrounds and personalities, are manipulated by a "group leader" to form a "consensus" of opinion, achieving a new "group identity." The key to the process is the creation of a controlled environment, in which stress is introduced (sometimes called dissonance) to crack an individual's belief structure. Using the peer pressure of other group members, the individual is "cracked," and a new personality emerges with new values. The degrading experience causes the person to deny that any change has taken place. In that way, an individual is brainwashed without the victim knowing what has taken place.

This method is the same, with some minor modification, used in all so-called "sensitivity groups" or "T-groups," or in the more extreme rock-drug-sex counterculture form, "touchy-feely groups," such as the kind popularized from the 1960s onward by the Esalen Institute, which was set up with the help of NTL.

From the mid-1950s onward, NTL put the majority of the nation's corporate leaderships through such brainwashing programs, while running similar programs for the State Department, the Navy, the Department of Education, and other sections of the federal bureaucracy. There is no firm estimate of the number of Americans who have been put through this process in last 40 years at either NTL, or as it is now known the NTL Institute for Applied Behavioral Sciences, which is based in Rosslyn, Virginia, or its West Coast base of operations, the Western Training Laboratories in Group Development, or in various satellite institutions. The most reliable estimate is in the several millions.

One of the groups that went through the NTL mill in the 1950s was the leadership of the National Education Association, the largest organization of teachers in the United States. Thus, the NEA's outlook has been "shaped" by Tavistock, through the NTL. In 1964, the NTL Institute became a direct part of the NEA, with the NTL setting up "group sessions" for all its affiliates. With funding from the Department of Education, the NTL Institute drafted the programs for the training of the nation's primary and secondary school teachers, and has a hand as well in developing the content of educational "reforms," including OBE.

Also known as the International Institute for Applied Behavioral Sciences. This institute is a brainwashing center in artificial stress training whereby participants suddenly find themselves immersed in defending themselves against vicious accusations. NTL takes in the National Education Association, the largest teacher group in the United States. While officially decrying "racism", it is interesting to note that NTL, working with NEA, produced a paper proposing education vouchers which would separate the hard-to-teach children from the brighter ones, and funding would be allocated according to the number of difficult children who would be separated from those who progressed at a normal rate. The proposal was not taken up.

University of Pennsylvania, Wharton School of Finance & Commerce Founded by Eric Trist One of the "brain trusts" of Tavistock, Wharton has become one of the more important Tavistock in so far as "Behavioral Research" is concerned. Wharton attracts clients such as the U.S. Department of Labor---which teaches how to produce "cooked" statistics at the Wharton Econometric Forecasting Associates Incorporated. This method was very much in demand as we came to the close of 1991 with millions more out of work than was reflected in USDL statistics. Wharton's ECONOMETRIC MODELING is used by every major Committee of 300 company in the United States, Western Europe, the International Monetary Fund, the United Nations, and the World Bank.

Institute for Social Research Among its clients are The Ford Foundation, U.S.Department of Defense, U.S.Postal Service and the U.S. Department of Justice. Among its studies are "The Human Meaning Of Social Change", "Youth in Transition" and "How Americans View Their Mental Health".

Institute For The Future This is not a typical Tavistock institution in that it is funded by the Ford Foundation, yet it draws its long-range forecasting from the mother of all think tanks. Institute for the Future projects what it believes to be changes that will be taking place in time frames of fifty years. So called "DELPHI PANELS" decide what is normal and what is not, and prepare position papers to "steer" government in the right direction to head off such groups as "people creating civil disorder." (This could be patriotic groups demanding abolition of graduated taxes, or demanding that their right to bear arms is not infringed.) This institute recommends action such as liberalizing abortion laws, drug usage and that cars entering an urban area pay tolls, teaching birth control in public schools, requiring registration of firearms, making use of drugs a non-criminal offense, legalizing homosexuality, paying students for scholastic achievements, making zoning controls a preserve of the state, offering bonuses for family planning and last, but most frightening, a Pol Pot Cambodia-style proposal that new communities be established in rural areas, (concentration camp compounds). As can be observed, many of their goals have already been more than fully realized.

INSTITUTE FOR POLICY STUDIES (IPS)

One of the "Big Three", IFS has shaped and reshaped United States policies, foreign and domestic, since it was founded by James P. Warburg and the Rothschild entities in the United States. Its networks in America include the League for Industrial Democracy. Lead players in the League for Industrial Democracy have included Jeane Kirkpatrick, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Irwin Suall of the ADL, Eugene Rostow, Arms control negotiator, Lane Kirkland, Labor Leader, and Albert Shanker. IFS was incorporated in 1963 by Marcus Raskin and Richard Barnett, both highly trained Tavistock Institute graduates. The objectives of IFS came from an agenda laid down for it by the Tavistock Institute, one of the most notable being to create the "New Left" as a grass roots movement in the U.S. Its been said that Barnett and Raskin controlled such diverse elements as the Black Panthers, Daniel Ellsberg, National Security Council staff member Halprin, The Weathermen Underground, the Venceramos and the campaign staff of candidate George McGovern. No scheme was too big for IFS and its controllers to take on and manage.

Through its many powerful lobbing groups on Capitol Hill,IFS relentlessly used its "Big Stick" to beat Congress. IFS has a network of lobbyists, all supposedly operating independently but in actual fact acting cohesively, so that Congressmen are pummeled from all sides by seemingly different and varied lobbyists, In this way, IFS was, and is still, able to successfully sway individual Representatives and Senators to vote for "the trend, the way things are going." By using key pointmen on Capitol Hill, IFS was able to break into the very infrastructure of our legislative system and the way it works.

IFS became, and remains to this day, one of the most prestigious "think tanks" controlling foreign policy decisions, which we, the people, foolishly believe are those of our law makers.

By sponsoring militant activism at home and with links to revolutionaries abroad, by engineering such victories as "The Pentagon Papers," besieging the corporate structure, bridging the credibility gap between underground movements and acceptable political activism, by penetrating religious organizations and using them to sow discord in America, such as radical racial policies under the guise of religion, using establishment media to spread IFS ideas, and then supporting them, IFS has lived up to the role which it was founded to play.

STANFORD RESEARCH INSTITUTE

Jesse Hobson, the first president of Stanford Research Institute, in a 1952 speech made it clear what lines the institute was to follow. Stanford can be described as one of the "jewels" in Tavistock's Crown in its rule over the United States. Founded in 1946 immediately after the close of WWII, it was presided over by Charles A. Anderson, with emphasis on mind control research and "future sciences." Included under the Stanford umbrella was Charles F. Kettering Foundation which developed the "Changing Images of Man" upon which the Aquarian Conspiracy rests.

Some of Stanford's major clients and contracts were at first centered around the defense establishment but, as Stanford grew, so, did the diversity of its services:

* Applications of Behavioral Sciences to Research Management Office of Science and Technology
* SRI Business Intelligence Program
* U.S. Department of Defense Directorate of Defense Research and Engineering
* U.S. Department of Defense Office of Aerospace Research

Among corporations seeking Stanford's services were Wells Fargo Bank, Bechtel Corporation, Hewlett Packard, Bank of America, McDonnell Douglas Corporation, Blyth, Eastman Dillon and TRW Company. One of Stanford's more secret projects was extensive work on chemical and bacteriological warfare (CAB) weapons.

Stanford Research is plugged into at least 200 smaller "think tanks" doing research into every facet of life in America. This is ARPA networking and represents the emergence of probably the most far reaching effort to control the environment of every individual in the country. At present Stanford's computers are linked with 2500 "sister" research consoles which include the CIA, Bell Telephone Laboratories, U.S. Army Intelligence, The Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), Rand, MIT, Harvard and UCLA. Stanford plays a key role in that it is the "library", cataloging all ARPA documentation.

"Other agencies".....one can use one's imagination here, are allowed to search through SRI's "library" for key words, phrases, look through sources and update their own master files with those of Stanford Research Center. The Pentagon uses SRI's master files extensively, and there is little doubt that other U.S. Government agencies do the same. Pentagon "command and control" problems are worked out by Stanford.

While ostensibly these apply only to weapons and soldiers, there is absolutely no guarantee that the same research could not , and will not be turned to civilian applications. Stanford is known to be willing to do anything for anyone.

MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, ALFRED P. SLOAN SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT

This major institute is not generally recognized as being a part of Tavistock U.S.A. Most people look upon it as being a purely American institution, but that is far from the truth. MIT- Alfred Sloan can be roughly divided into the following groups:

Contemporary Technology Industrial Relations NASA-ERC Computer Research Laboratories Office of Naval Research Group, Psychology Systems Dynamics.

Some of MIT's clients are:

* American Management Association
* Committee for Economic Development
* GTE
* Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA)
* NASA
* National Academy of Sciences
* National Council of Churches
* Sylvania
* TRW
* U.S. Army
* U.S. Department of State
* U.S. Navy
* U.S. Treasury
* Volkswagen Company

RAND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION

Without a doubt, RAND is THE think tank most beholden to Tavistock Institute and certainly the RIIA's most prestigious vehicle for control of United States policies at every level. Specific RAND policies that became operative include our ICBM program, prime analyses for U.S. foreign policy making, instigator of space programs, U.S. nuclear policies, corporate analyses, hundreds of projects for the military, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in relation to the use of mind altering drugs like peyote, LSD (the covert MK-ULTRA operation which lasted for 20 years).

Some of RAND's clients include:

* American Telephone and Telegraph Company (AT&T) * Chase Manhattan Bank
* International Business Machines (IBM)
* National Science Foundation
* Republican Party
* TRW
* U.S. Air Force
* U.S. Department of Health
* U.S. Department of Energy

There are literally THOUSANDS of highly important companies, government institutions and organizations that make use of RANDS's services. To list them all would be impossible. Among RAND's specialities is a study group that predicts the timing and the

TAVISTOCK - THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN AMERICA

This forwarded article was received from Byron Weeks; who in our opinion really has a good firm handle on exactly WHAT is up on many levels with the extraordinarily extensive "control trips" currently being directed against the peoples of the world by elements of the global shadow government.

Weeks, whom I quoted at length in the book PHOENIX UNDEAD, has sent us this compelling look at a globally-active British institute which has had it's hands in just about every social and political/governmental movement of note throughout much of the world for the past 50 years.

For example, ever wonder who and what is "behind", let's say, the CIA? Well, they don't swear allegiance to America, that's for certain. Try the British royal family.

hunkahunka

29-11-2009, 02:21 PM

Fran’s Day Care

Fran’s Day Care
Randy Noblitt, PhD

(Please note: This article is strictly the opinion of the author and not necessarily the opinion of SMART newsletter or the webmaster.)

©Copyright R. Noblitt 2009. All rights reserved.

In recent days, an interest in the case of Fran and Dan Keller has reemerged and that reemergence has triggered new interest in the outcries of children that resulted in several investigations, trials, convictions, and tragedies throughout the 1990s. I can speak about Fran’s Day Care with some authority.

In 1992, the Travis County prosecutor’s office contacted me for advice as to how they should proceed with a bizarre case involving multiple child victims of sexual and ritual abuse in a day care. The accused perpetrators were the owners-operators of the nursery, Fran and Dan Keller. The day care was situated in a remote area beyond the suburbs of Austin, Texas. At this time, the legal community was reeling from the McMartin Day Care ordeal which was the costliest prosecution in California history up to that time, and had resulted in two hung juries in a seven-year prosecution. The prosecution, wishing to learn from the mistakes of McMartin, wanted advice regarding how to proceed without contaminating the children’s stories, compromising the alleged perpetrators’ rights, and getting to the truth of the children’s outcries.

Some of the parents whose children attended the preschool became suspicious when their children returned home wearing underwear not their own, or with their clothes inside out or with their hair wet. There were always reasonable explanations: the child had an accident and was changed into clothes on hand for that purpose; or the child splashed water on herself when the children were cleaning up; and so forth. However, when one of the children made an outcry, the parents more closely scrutinized the strange behaviors some of the children had started engaging in and the aforementioned episodes, and they took their concerns to the police. The police took the concerns seriously and collected statements and evidence. The grand jury found a basis for indictment. The Kellers responded to the warrant for their arrest by fleeing the state in disguise, obtaining false identifications in their new personas, and attempting to leave the country. They were apprehended in Las Vegas, Nevada and extradited back to Travis County.

It was at this point that I was introduced to the situation. I was in private practice in Dallas, two hundred miles north of Austin and had no knowledge of what was happening at Fran’s Day Care. The prosecutor, Judy Shipway, contacted me for advice on how to deal with the children, their stories, their parents’ reactions, and the impact of ritual abuse allegations on the court. I advised her to focus on the sexual abuse allegations for which there was substantial support and evidence. I expressed my opinion that introducing the topic of ritual abuse would be exploited by the defense as a means of discrediting the children. I also advised Ms. Shipway to make sure that every child had a therapist and that no therapist treat more than one child from Fran’s Day Care. Finally, I advised the prosecutor to request that the children’s parents not communicate with one another until after the trial to avoid inadvertent contamination of their children’s stories and their own interpretations. These suggestions were all implemented.

I was also invited to review the evidence which included drawings and writings produced by Danny Keller; the confession of co-defendant Doug Perry; the testimony of the children. I was able to describe for the prosecution the kinds of abuses ritually practiced by various groups and individuals and explain the psychological consequences of such abuse. I was able to interpret for the prosecutor the children’s stories in the context of what had been learned from other victims including the use of coercion, duplicity, threats, and other means of controlling survivors of such abuse.

Although several children at the day care were thought to have been sexually and ritually traumatized, some of them were so young that they did not yet speak in complete sentences. Some of them were identified by other victims. Three of the children were selected to represent the whole population. These were slightly older children, five and six years old, and they were able to convey their stories most articulately of all the child victims.

As the trial commenced, the prosecution developed an excellent case against the Kellers. I was surprised only by the defense attorneys’ rather blasé approach to their defense of the Kellers, perhaps operating under the assumption that the children would not be believed. In defense of the Kellers, their attorneys did raise the specter of ritual abuse by introducing into evidence the book Sex Abuse Hysteria: The Salem Witch Trials Revisited (Gardner, 1991), which promoted the idea that sexual and ritual abuse allegations by children were projections of their parents (and other adults’) latent pedophilia. It was at this point that I was asked to take the stand as an expert witness and address the topic of ritual abuse and Gardner’s book.

The case ended with the conviction of the Kellers and their sentencing to 48 years in prison each. They are in prison still, any efforts for appeal having failed to date. Shortly after the trial, the magazine, Texas Monthly, published a piece by Gary Cartwright in which he implied that the Kellers were the true victims in this sorry tale. He did me the courtesy of a call to “fact check” his story, particularly ideas attributed to me, except that it was only after the issue had been published.

Recently, the Fran’s Day Care case was dredged up by the Austin Chronicle, an alternative periodical produced locally in Texas. My son sent me the link in an email with the heading, “Dad, you’re in the news again.” Once more, the perspective was one of advocacy for falsely accused, persecuted, prosecuted, and convicted victims of a malicious or inept legal system that places too much trust in the stories children tell. A particular flaw in this story was the story. It was certainly not founded on anything I witnessed during my participation in the case. Evidence was not withheld from the prosecution to my knowledge. The defense was left flat-footed by their own conviction that the children would not be believed. And the advice I offered may have helped to prevent influence or contamination of the children’s testimony. The children’s stories were credible – Fran and Dan Keller’s defense was not. End of story? Probably not. I doubt that we have heard the last of Fran and Dan or of their day care or of their victims.

Interestingly enough, the Austin Chronicle article, Believing the Children, ended with a reference to one of the child victims, Veejay Staelin, a now 21-year old. Although he declined to be interviewed for the story, he re-asserted that he had been abused by Fran and Dan Keller.

hunkahunka

29-11-2009, 04:24 PM

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Story of Survivor of Multi-generational Cult

My information and allegations as presented may be triggering to those of you who read it and I don’t want that to happen. I have received and caused enough pain in this life to cover a hundred lives. I have debated for many years whether to write this type of information, as who could it help other than myself? It seems that the majority of people in our country have a hard time believing that there are evil people. I just don’t understand that at all. Maybe it’s just the way they insulate themselves from the reality of their existence. I’ve always believed that everyone’s experience is relative as we don’t totally understand, that which we haven’t lived.

I was born into a very old, multi-generational cult that comprised witchcraft, tribal and satanic rituals. I was born in Kansas but raised for my first seven years in southern/eastern Colorado. In those days we met west of the city of Gunnison in the San Louis valley. All of my relatives on both sides are members of the cult which is named “the people” or “sha-zee”, in the language of the people.

I left the people and my role as the Red Sorcerer in 1993 after my DID became very apparent to me and others. I could barely function and personality switching was rampant and those were very terrifying times. After forty-three years in the cult I finally said “NO” to certain demands and didn’t care if I lived or died due to that choice. I began therapy in the State of Washington in 1993, continued it in New Mexico beginning in 1995 and completed it in Oregon beginning in 1997. I and my wife tended to move around a quite a bit during the early years as we just didn’t feel safe in close proximity to my family members. I have lived in Oregon since 1997 and now feel relatively safe. I am the core personality and was integrated a year ago after eleven years of memories and therapy for many years.

I am estranged from my parents, siblings, other shirt-sleeve relatives and two daughters, two grand-daughters and one grandson for personal and appropriate reasons. There have been death threats from all sides including mine, but I don’t feel much fear as they remember me as I was, not as I am.

Years ago I posted writings and poems at S.O.A.R. and Many Voice’s websites. I haven’t done any posting for over five years and felt it was time to finally share my experiences. I don’t know if my writing will help anyone else, but it certainly helps me.

The “people” begin conditioning their children at the age of three and the primary dissociative links are created in the next two years. It must be done during this time as the children don’t know the difference between illusion and reality.

Basic conditioning begins with the child strapped at the legs, arms and head in a dentist like chair. An electrical photographic strobe on an articulating arm is positioned 16″ from the bridge of the nose and then the hertz or cycles per second of the strobe flash is set at eight. The eyelids of the child are either held open and was done to me by my father or they are taped open so the eyes can’t blink. The process of using the strobe causes the child’s mind to dissociate and making it further conducive to hypnosis. A stage hypnotic displacement induction is then used to further sever the conscious mind from the unconscious mind until hypnotic coma is reached. Once this is established creation of the two primary proctor personalities begins. The proctors are the primary protector personalities used to control switching between alters, protect the core personality from harm either within the cult or in the everyday world. The proctors will know all the memories and are the most abused and terrorized parts of the child’s personality system. To the programmer, the proctor personalities are simply stated as the “bridge”. They are always named father and mother unless one or both don’t exist in the real world. In my case, four proctors were created to further control my issues and were named…father, mother, sister and brother.

Once the primary proctor (monitor) personalities (artifacts) are created in the core personality, cross-bridging between the two world realities of the child begins and is established. Definitive sub-sets are attached to the proctors that bridge both reality systems. As cult personalities are instituted in cult rituals such as sacrifice, cannibalism, torture, sex and physical abuse, the usual personality breaking and linking will occur. This also occurs in the non-cult environment (if there is one) within the child’s home, due to excessive abusive. The proctor or monitoring personalities are key to the development of the personality system due to their belief in protection of the child/core personality. In inducement strategy, the core personality is insulated from memories, abuse, etc., but this is never essentially true, in the reality that no actual artifacts are created in the child. Personality can be ambiguous and I am speaking from a stance of integration. I gave a symposium to a group of male adults at the age of twelve, in a major western city concerning new conditioning practices I had developed. I was soulless at such a young age.

At the age of four +/- years, I was tied to an elevated wooden pentacle and my uncle the previous red sorcerer in our enclave, performed a “surgery” where the eye of Satan was placed inside of my stomach. This was accomplished by simply using a small amount of blood, a false eye and pain to my stomach. The “eye” is there to monitor the child’s involvement in unacceptable cult or outside behavior. Over the years, it is paramount to the cult that the child be manipulated into bad behavior so he can be punished to develop a closer bond within his enclave and family. In reality of the cult there is no right or wrong within the cult, only responsibilities, conditioning and control. This is known and discussed by the governing members of different enclaves throughout the country.

The following is something I’m certain no one has ever read about or heard of before. The worst torture experienced in my life was through the use of a small, solid copper egg with a thin chain attached. The ball was frozen and then inserted into my rectum. After a few seconds I didn’t know who was screaming. I was stubborn and didn’t want to comply with my conditioning and it was used on me to facilitate my inherited role within the cult as the red sorcerer and the one who led all rituals, sacrifice/murders, evisceration, conditioning, programming and ritual abuse of members and their children and hundreds of other duties. They made certain I received, but also that I gave. Therein lies my guilt and culpability which I will never be free of. Other than my therapists, I have never had the courage to tell anyone else of what my life has been like. I have been worried how others would perceive me as both a survivor and an abuser.

Primary meeting times within the “people” were/are the equinoxes, solstices, moon cycles, planting, harvest and almost all members are agrarians. Ranchers, farmers, farm equipment dealers, veterinarians, forest managers, ect, are interspersed throughout society. When an organization wishes to be secretive, where better than in the middle of thousands of acres of privately owned land, government lands, etc.

In the enclave I came from and other enclaves, I will list occupations and some cult responsibilities. On farms and ranches containing hundreds to thousands of acres is where primary activities are established on a nearly permanent basis. A man I know who owns a barge company and repairs docks and has access to all parts of the lake. A veterinarian in central Washington State provides animals to the cult and has strong ties to neo-nazi groups. A family owns a rendering company which makes products from dead animal carcasses it disposes of. In Colorado a prominent family in government aids the people. Between Spokane, Washington and Post Falls, Idaho, hundreds of members live in close proximity and the circle sometimes contains 600. It goes on endlessly. No member of the people has a passive role and none are abused just for the sake of it, as the mind control and conditioning is too time consuming.

The “people’s” roots lie in western/northern Europe. I am of the 61st generation of the people with each generation being twenty-seven years in length. My mother adamantly told me I was the first sorcerer to leave the people, but I’m certain that is just another of the people’s lies. There are many that leave and some that never return. What they count on isn’t rebuking a person but instead their cues and conditioning. Anything can be overcome though, if it’s what a person wants the most. I still have triggers, the worst being seeing my psychiatrist one a month. When you’re told every day for most of your life what will happen if you tell, it can build-up into a buried monster. Nevertheless, I go and I tell and yet it’s still very hard to tell.

Usual electrical stimulus within the conditioning process of children is provided by a Model A automobile engine coil connected to a switch and car battery. It isn’t pleasant.

Nearly all human remains are reduced in cult constructed crematoriums located on private enclaves where the sacrifices/murders are committed. Nothing is left except bone dust which is easily disposed of. I used to be amazed by so called authorities that continue to cry “where are all the bodies”, when dismissing satanic or cult murders. The “people” have been killing humans for nearly 2,000 years and they are very, very good at what they do.

Speaking of humans. The people condition themselves that they are not humans and as biblical reference says that Adam and Eve’s daughters were impregnated by angels, the people are descendants of the same. They take it a step further and say that the angels were part of Satan’s consortium. It is true that the people are anti-Christian but more so that they are anti-human. I believe that some original founder(s) chose the idea that it was easier to kill a believed different species than one’s own kind. Unlike dispassionate serial killers who choose to see their victims as (it), the people see their victims as meat. Two of my father’s favorite sayings were…”meat is meat” and “never eat or drink a nigger because they’re dirty”. What a role model. It took my first therapist two years to convince me that I was a human.

At the age of seven at my naming ceremony I was given my secret name which converts to the English “child seer”. Supposedly I was the prophet and the prophesy. My proctors called me “child” and also called me the “child of light”. The people have a spoken and written language and sign language known as “finger speech” which is used to add emotional inflection, positive and negative aspects, other. I speak the primary dialect and seven variants. I wish I would have been taught Greek and Latin.

The people are a matriarchal society with superior lineage passing from mother to eldest daughter, to eldest granddaughter and these are the Black Sorceresses. The Red Sorcerers are chosen by the women. In midlevel Britain the women of the people were known as the “ladies of the light” or the “ladies of the lion”. A banner representing the same has a lion over a field of grape leaves. Primary symbols within the people include the pentacle, lunate cross, many spells, portents, signings, lanterns of light, moon and sun cycles, planting and harvest cycles.

From the age of eight until I was twelve I was used as a sex slave by the people. I was sold by the hour or by the act. My sister and I were photographed having sex together and movies were made. Every person in the people goes through this “tendering” process. Most of my female parts were made during these years, although a few were made by the people for the people. It’s easier for me to speak about the conditioning and violent practices, than the sexual abuse as the latter shattered my psyche.

I sometimes wonder about the statement by our founding fathers, ‘We, the people, of the United States of America….”. Hmm, they were from England weren’t they?

Although the creation of dissociative personalities is impossible to create in adults, varied torture is used to force individuals to comply with the wishes and commands of the people. I know the intimate differences between electric shock by a 12v car engine, 110v current, cattle probe, electric fence charger and a stun gun. I HATE electric shock from a car engine as it makes the muscles jerky and tense and part of my original conditioning as a child. Every enclave has what is called the “box”. It is a three and one-half foot square, wooden box. No water or food for a few days and constant all body muscle cramping. If the box isn’t strong enough, there is the “pit”. Simply a pit seven feet deep with a toilet seat over it. Being hung by the wrists isn’t a big deal.

By the age of sixteen, I couldn’t feel most physical pain and as that concept is part of the “way of the people” every person develops the control. To develop pain resistance, a part of a child’s musculature is chosen for strengthening by the black sorceress. Mine was the muscles in the center of my back. Any member of the people could challenge me at any time to see if I was toughening up. Using only their fists, they could beat on me to their satisfaction. I never felt any pain back in the day, but have had serious pain in my back for seven years. The pain is always there. To remember, to find integration means giving up a lot of things. I can sincerely state that I despise pain.

Supposed traitors to the people (poor souls that are used for demonstration) are treated to various life ending experiences. Men are usually “spiked” with an 18″ screwdriver driven through the bottom of the jaw, through the palate, sinuses and brain, exiting the top of the skull. A cable clamp is tightened down on the end of the spike and the person is hung in full view of members. Women are usually “fish hooked” with two steel hooks, one driven under the jaw and out the mouth and the other through the pelvic girdle. The woman is then hung for all to see. I have seen humans die by immersion in boiling water in the “tank”, by “feeding the fire” with their bodies feet first. So many, many horrible ways for people to die.

Being trained as a young boy in the art of sacrifice and evisceration, compose many of my worst memories. Primary personalities included the death merchants, Eric and the cutters, the eaters, the drinkers, the grizzlies, many more and all grouped sub-sets numbered twelve as twelve in the circle. One thing I learned early in the people was that I couldn’t show any weakness or they would eat me up and being eaten alive was my worst fear.

To increase my guilt and facilitate my responsibilities, I was forced to choose which child or adult would be killed. When I was young my mother would choose if I didn’t and she always knew which person I DIDN’T want to kill. I learned not to care about any “human” as there was just too much emotional investment in choosing. By the age of ten, every human was just another cow or sheep.

Before the age of twelve, myself and other children were used to help kidnap human kids. Kids that don’t trust adults, tended to trust other children and we were trained in ways to entice the kids. This was back in the fifties and sixties, when certain elements and races of society weren’t missed by the authorities. During the seventies and eighties a large source of human material was achieved through the kidnapping of transient, Mexican laborers. In Washington state these migrant workers followed the apple crops, field hoeing, thinning etc. With most of the people being in agricultural enterprises, it wasn’t hard to get a van or pickup load of laborers and their families to a farm. Quaaludes in water or alcoholic provisions would put these people to sleep. “Coyotes” were extensively used and well paid to procure working groups and many were members of the people. Coyotes were/are Mexican nationals who transport individuals across the border and on the U.S. side of the border organize labor groups. Sometimes they are called labor organizers. It was so simple and yet the “experts” out in the world wonder where people are collected from? I could name another twenty ways in which individuals or groups are procured by the people. Runaways, homeless people, criminals, street alcoholics and drug addicts. People that won’t be missed and are never taken on a large scale in cities. I’ve never met a “satanic breeder”, although they may exist. The people don’t waste children that can be conditioned into providing many generations of converts.

If the “experts” want to know how some individuals are transported between enclaves, they should investigate the “jump-up” sections on cattle haulers. How many workers at highway weigh stations would ever look in a “shit hauler”. People are so stupid.

If all the “experts” and those that attempt to dissuade others that there are no evil religious cults spent a week in the box, I bet they would change their opinions and positions. But then they would be dead.

I estimate through experience that some law enforcement authorities are very well aware of some cult murders. Some of my best friends were police. How do I know all of these things? Experience. Way too much of it, but I’m just not threatened anymore. What can those in private or public power do to to me? Jail, torture, death. I’m fifty-five years old now and my wife of twenty years died twenty-six months ago. She was all that I protected.

All enclaves of the people whether large or small, have underground “hidey-holes” to use if the need arises. My older brother who lives in north-central Washington State was arrested several years ago for growing marijuana. Where did they find it growing? In a railroad box car that was buried on the property with access to his home via an underground culvert. His oldest daughter turned him in to the cops, but since she runs crazy as a badly fragmented dissociative on the streets of Seattle, more power to her. She would tell a story very similar to my own, if she were able to.

A rundown on my family. Mom and dad are in a care center. My older sister has migraines five days a week and remains in the people. My younger brother was in a hospital for five years in the sexual psychopath program, but has never been in trouble in the past twenty years and is no longer a member of the people. My older brother has eight children from two live-in wives and remains in the people. Most of my aunts and uncles are dead, but their children remain in the people from Washington State to Minnesota.

During the years of therapy, I journaled on my computer and wrote over 5,000 pages. I deleted those pages a few years ago as I didn’t want to be reminded of the memories. My nightmares and flashbacks take care of that on a daily basis. It took my male proctor (ISH) personality “father”, nearly eleven years to partially convince me that I “had no choice” and he knew all the memories. He told me that the universe and all it contains is in perfect order as time is static and nothing in the past can be changed. Most importantly, father taught me that the purpose of life is to live to the full potential that a person or a thing can. Every living thing lives to the best of its ability and every living thing will do its very best to survive. I often told my proctor that I was evil, but he told me that I had done evil things and there was a difference. He asked me if I would ever harm anyone again and I said I didn’t know? In eleven years I’ve never harmed a person or animal. I don’t know if cutting the lawn is harmful?

I sometimes think that in my case, survival was a demon. I have never seen a single reason for me to live when so many died. During my forty-three years in the people I would tell myself that they could have my body and my mind, but they wouldn’t get my soul. I’m not certain things worked out that way. It wasn’t enough that I was conditioned into following the way of the people, but I made certain that my children and grandchildren and all the many other generations continue the way of the people. What a legacy I leave to my kids and their kids and their kids…

My PTSD often reminds me of what it is to be a soldier. On the battlefield when every moment is life and death, a soldier will do many things and anything to survive. When the soldier returns to a normal, non-war society he can’t understand why he did the things he did? It no longer matters to the soldier that he killed others of his own kind for God and Country, for that has no meaning. He just sees the blood, dead glassy eyes, riddled flesh, the looks of despair on soulless faces, greed and evil and he knows he is culpable and that there is no consolation or redemption. Why don’t soldiers speak about war? What is there really to talk about?

I survive. I try to learn and understand what it is to live, but I doubt that I will ever figure that out. I’m still very much a prey animal whose ears twitch and hackles raise when someone is behind me. I will always be hyper-vigilant and my five sense are very much in tune with the physical world. I have been afraid everyday of my life…fifty-five years ago and today as I write this. All I have ever known in my life is hate, rage, revenge, violence, guilt, loss, fear, discipline, confusion, frustration, pain and uncertainty. I was an alcoholic, heroin and Oxycontin addict, smoker, cutter, most any self-abuse I could find. I no longer drink alcohol or use drugs, I quit smoking, I try to feel instead of cutting myself when I’m angry or frustrated, I cry, I sing, play guitar, listen to music, sleep normal hours instead of being awake all night, more than anything else I try to change who I was into who I am.

rapunzel

29-11-2009, 07:21 PM

My research paints a very different picture of wicca than the one you are propagating here. I don't ignore what you say, i just take it with a pinch of salt seeing as it's the opinion of a believer.

You have said you spent a couple of days on your research. You have not spoken to any ordinary Wiccans or Pagans. That is not research by any stetch of the imagination.

Depends on a) what you believe the illuminati is/are and b) how you see the evidence. What you call co-operation and friendship is excately the same mo we see with all the other controlled aspects of society. They even use the same names for their organisations.

I don't know what the Illuminati are. I believe that there are a number of wealthy people in this world who have more control over what goes on that is generally realised and that there are a number of wealthy and powerful people who have depraved appetites and have the resources to assuage those appetites. That much is obvious to anyone who can think and reason but that is a far cry from saying they are the Illuminati involved in satanism.

Also, alone the endless connections between wicca/paganism and masonry, rosicrucians, the golden dawn, oto, and so on are a rather strong indicator that there exists indeed a link to the ''illuminati'' Add to that the supportive mainstream media, which if wicca where somehow opposed to the power structure or even a threat would treat it very differently. defame it, etc..

There are some connections between some of the beliefs of Wicca and the organisations you mention; I don't know any Wiccan who would deny that but that is no evidence of Wicca still being linked to those organisations or to anything else. Where is your evidence of this?

Ok so because you and your friends don't know anything about their influence means they have none. Even though they founded and head the big organisations and covens, write/wrote the bestselling books, and are the international recognized representatives of wicca and neo paganism.

Hang on a minute here. You have given us the names of a number of people. You have drawn unwarranted and unproveable accusations against them of being linked to the Illuminati, simply because some of them fit into the category you have arbitrarily decided is suspect, such as being psychologists or in the media. These people are not] "the international recognized representatives of wicca and neo paganism " These people, most of whom I have not heard of previously, do not represent me or anyone else on the international scene. They do not speak for me or for anyone I know. I speak for me and no-one else unless I have given them my permission. If you actually knew any Wiccans you would recognise how ridiculous this statement is. If anyone thinks they speak for me then they are mistaken. I've already spoken about misguided people who give themselves titles and an influence that does not exist.

Perhaps you would like to explain what influnece you think these people have and how they exercise it.?

You know, most people i know have not the slightest clue of the influence a family like the Rothschilds holds. Does that mean the Rothschilds have no influence? Or does that logic only work with wicca and your friends?

We are talking about a religion here not worldwide economic and financial systems of which most people are ignorant, including myself. I do however understand my religion as I hope the majority of Wiccans do; if not they are in the wrong religion.

Yes and the same can be said about the network consisting of CFR, Trilaterals, Bilderberger, Royal institute of international affairs. It's just friendship and co-operation. same goes for the blending of masonry with rosicrucians and the rest.

I fail to see what this has to do with anything. Society could not exist without friendship and co-operation.

Refute what? your religious belief? And i'd love to see the parts of your posts that contain proof or at least those parts that deserve the label 'intelligent debate' All i have seen so far is your opinion delivered in the absolut uncritical manner of an religious believer.

I'm not asking you to refute my religious beliefs merely the points I made in my post. Me, uncritical of Wicca? If you read my posts correctly you will see that I am not. I have criticised Wicca and Wiccans. And most religious believers believer in a theology and doctrine derived by someone at the top of the hierarchy and if they deviate from it they are deemed heretics. Please enlighten us as to how my beliefs fit into that scenario.

No, the party was a recognition of the years of service to the British government i.e the Queen, he had served in the far east.

That's one of the things I said. "to thank him for his work in the Far East"

The party is a good point actually, i mean just look at the company Gardner kept. There's the big influence of the Rosicrucian Crotona fellowship of whom many new forest coven witches were members of. Then you have Crowley who initiated him into the OTO. Cecil Williamson, who was MI6. J.S.M Ward, a freemason. Mabel Besant Scott, who was the head of british Co-masonry. In fact what through Gardner's work became the religion of wicca, was mostly borrowed from other sources, including Crowley, Valiente, freemasonry and rosicrucians.

He wasn't initiated into the OTO although I believe he wanted to be. Valiente was Gardner's High Priestess. I've met her and spoken with her. She rewrote much of his rituals.

So the very foundation, or let it just be one pillar of the foundation, of your religion comes directly from brotherhood sources.

What brotherhood? Gardner is demonised because he had friends of whom you don't approve.

The European Council of Princes is a not a fictional organisation, it's registered in brussel. By a hohenzoller btw. You're right though, Gerald has nothing to do with it, i confused him with laurence gardner, my bad.

No probs.

You seem to confuse and equate wiccans like yourself with those on the top.

There are no Wiccans "at the top". I keep telling you that. There is no hierarchy for anyone to be at the top of for goodness sake! There are Wiccans who are well known, Wiccans who organise groups for those who wish to join them and Wiccans who write books. You speak as if I'm a newbie who doesn 't know what's going on. I repeat I've been Wiccan for 32 years, I've met a number of British Wiccans who are now well known in Wicca. Yet you seem to think you know more about it than I do, all on the basis of a few days googling.

So Stregehria and Garderian witchcraft are not the two biggest and also most popular systems in wicca? Is that what you're saying?

To be absolutely dogmatic the only real Wiccans are those who have been initiated into a lineaged Coven, that is a Coven that can trace its descent from someone initiated by Gardner. Anything else is witchcraft. However, as many people self initiate and call themselves Wiccan and then initiate others and form Covens the name has stuck and cannot be changed now. Stregheria is Italian witchcraft and is not Wicca. Feminist Covens are not Wicca and the majority do not call themsleves so. Neo-Paganism which you have mentioned is not Wicca although Wicca considers itself a Pagan tradition. Modern Pagans follow the Norse tradition, or the Greek tradition or a number of other traditions and a number class themselves as "Heathens". They have nothing to do with Wicca and would be horrified to be classed alongside it as many people do.

That might be so, the point however is, why is witchcraft so popular these days? because of the support of the media, the establishment, and famous musicians and other artists. There is clearly a promotion of witchcraft going on. That in itself should raise questions, if you keep in mind who controls the media.

Witchcraft is popular because it makes money. It is popular because some young people think it is cool, because it seems rebellious. There are dozens of reasons. Many of these young people have been led astray by clever marketing which is a tragedy. I've already said that few of them will actually stick at it because it is too difficult and means too much committment.

Bottom line is you're worshipping the horned god. no matter what they told you he or it really is, it's still a horned god. On top of that is the same goddess (under various names) worshipped by wiccans as by the rest of the brotherhood. now there's a coincidence. As for my ignorance of your history, the funny thing is there is no real history. Even pagans admit that, of course only pagans who have looked at it from an neutral pov. For example, the idea of the horned god comes largely from Murray, and her book was very poor when it comes to historical accuracy.

Of course we worship a Horned God, what's wrong with that unless you fall for the Christian lie that it is Satan. The Horned God shows the connection with animals and nature. I happen to agree with you about Margaret Murray, she made many statments which have proved to be incorrect and should be avoided at all costs. However there are statues and depictions from Celtic times which show a God with horns. I am capable of doing my own research you know, I don't just believe what other people tell me, particularly on spiritual matters, unless I can confirm it by myself. The Horned God is only one of the depictions of the male side of Divinity.

As for your comment of my supposed statment about your ignorance of history I actually said the "history of religion" not the history of Wicca. Different things.

It's so amusing when you imply you know the Goddess I worship. You don't.

I guess the scores of pagans i've listed are exceptions to the rule then?

You haven't listed "scores of pagans", don''t exaggerate. And how do you know whether any of them suffered persecution or not?

hunkahunka

29-11-2009, 07:33 PM

hunkahunka

30-11-2009, 12:55 PM

they say all roads lead to Rome (or Athens)

check out the 'communal' urinal at Club Satyricon , the gay 'punk' club where Cobain did some shows and met fag hag Courtney Love.

quote:

The Urinals of Satyricon

Satyricon is a rock club in Portland, Oregon.

http://www.urinal.net/old_satyricon/bathroom1.jpg

This photo was submitted by Erika. She writes: "Satyricon was a famous Portland, Oregon punk rock club. "The Trough", [as this fixture was commonly known], was in use from 1983 until the club's renovation in 1996. This photo was taken by David Ackerman".

Erika further adds that this fixture was used by such famous rock stars as Kurt Cobain: " I think we can be pretty safely assured that Kurt Cobain used this... he played shows at Satyricon, and Courtney Love claims that they met at a show at Satyricon.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc258/NicoDGippo/Satyricon.jpg
this is the DVD of an Italian film called Satyricon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyricon_%28film%29)about a Greek lord who
fought for control of his boy sex slave.

Plot Summary for
Fellini - Satyricon (1969) More at IMDbPro »

In first century Rome, two friends, Encolpio and Ascilto, argue about ownership of the boy Gitone, divide their belongings and split up. The boy, allowed to choose who he goes with, chooses Ascilto. Only a sudden earthquake saves Encolpio from suicide. We follow Encolpio through a series of adventures, where he is eventually reunited with Ascilto, and which culminates in them helping a man kidnap a hermaphrodite demi-god from a temple. The god dies, and as punishment Encolpio becomes impotent. We then follow them in search of a cure. The film is loosely based on the book Satyricon by Gaius Petronius Arbiter, the "Arbiter of Elegance" in the court of Nero. The book has only survived in fragments, and the film reflects this by being very fragmentary itself, even stopping in mid-sentence
torrent file:

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3386814/Satyricon.%5BFellini_.1969_.Italian%5D

that DVD cover reminds me of this:

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7286/minimarilyn.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2182/1501151969_679c61b7c8.jpg
Club Satyricon in Portland

soulja

30-11-2009, 08:08 PM

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by Annie McKenna
Cover design and illustration by Sundra

I read some of her testimony and it's worth pointing out how much of her story checks out with other MK victim's stories. Most notably Svali, and like Svali she also received some programming in germany.

In 1977 when I was in my late 20s and leaving my second marriage, I decided there might be a problem with me. That's when I began therapy and learned to deal with issues such as properly expressing anger, not being so defensive, and why I was so afraid of my father. I married my current husband (we've been married since 1980) and continued in therapy to help improve my relationship skills. I came very close to getting my memories back around 1990 because of a series of nightmares I had about my father.

Instead of the memories, though, I made a startling emotional discovery about myself that I thought was the answer to my fear of my father. That discovery made me think I was "cured." In other words, I shut down and rejected further therapy. In 1996 I decided I was going to write a novel - a love story with a psychological twist. The main character was going to have my emotions and the story was going to reflect how a woman with a history of abuse in her background has to struggle to make a relationship work. That was supposed to be the only similarity between the book and reality. When I say abuse, at the time, I consciously only knew of the constant emotional abuse and some physical abuse I had endured from my father.

On Dec. 11, 1997, about three months after the first memory, someone in my support group sent information about Project Monarch. As soon as I read it, I knew that's what had happened to me. I finally understood what my scrapbook images were trying to tell me. From that point on my life was totally changed. I also felt that my life had been completely shattered. I had to totally disregard my own personal belief system to accept what had happened to me. To believe I had been a victim of mind control, to believe that my father had placed me in a program that intentionally caused a child to produce multiple personalities, to believe there were people in the world who could carry on this kind of torture to create a Manchurian Candidate in the name of national security meant giving up my belief that "all people are basically good," meant giving up "happily ever after," meant believing my father had sold his soul to the government and had turned over his daughter to this evil. It is truly devastating.

PROJECT MONARCH

Basically, Project Monarch was a government/Illuminati mind control program that involved numerous military and intelligence agencies, the Paperclip Nazis, and various prominent individuals and politicians. I also believe this program (regardless of its current name) is still active.

Operation Paperclip began in 1945 and was stopped in 1957 when West Germany complained that the U.S. had robbed Germany of its "scientific skills." It involved the U.S. ushering Nazis into the country who were valued for their knowledge of rocketry and the medical knowledge (a rather ironic term) gained from the experiments at the concentration camps.

One of the criteria for being a Nazi under Hitler's regime was worshipping Satan. The Nazi's didn't leave their belief systems behind. Project Monarch was a combination of ritual abuse and mind control. The ritual abuse served two purposes. First, it exposed a child to horrific trauma which caused the child to dissociate and create alters. Secondly, the belief was that if we ever did remember, the ritual abuse memories would surface first and the medical community and public would label us insane.

I was born at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland in 1952 where my father was an instructor at the time. Aberdeen Proving Grounds is the world headquarters for U.S. Army intelligence. Aberdeen was also one of the stopover points for Paperclip Nazis. It's not difficult to conceive that a number of Nazis remained at Aberdeen since that was also the site of Edgewood Arsenal where many of the biochemical warfare experiments were carried out.

The most insidious part of Project Monarch was that it's objective was to create a child with multiple personalities. So not only was it devastating to learn I was a multiple, I had to absorb the shock of learning that I was intentionally made a multiple. And the only way a child will dissociate to the point of creating alters is through severe trauma.

Except for a few memories, I can't tell you exactly how I was programmed. But I know I was taken all over the country and even overseas for programming. I was taken to military bases and high-tech research facilities including those that were part of universities. Most, if not all, of the universities I remember are ones that had received MK-Ultra funding--and that included Canada. I was taken to several locations in Canada between 1957 and 1964. I specifically have memories of Ewen Cameron and the Allan Memorial Institute. Both were implicated in a lawsuit filed by adult Canadian victims against the CIA and presented in a Canadian made-for-television documentary, In the Sleep Room. It's interesting that the U.S. purchased the rights to the show but it was never aired in our country.

The United States has a history of covering up human experimentation. Just look at the hearings that were held regarding the Human Radiation Experiments on unwitting victims, the Tuskeegee experiments, and the Gulf War Syndrome (as well as the lesser known chem trails and AIDS atrocity). Declassified documents show our own military has released viruses over U.S. populations to see what the impact would be. Unfortunately, history also shows our government doesn't own up to its transgressions for at least 40 to 50 years after the harm is done.

In 1977 the U.S. held Senate investigative hearings which disclosed the abuses by the government through MK-Ultra. But very few Americans even know of its existence because of media control. The cover up goes something like this. The American Psychiatric Association received funding through MK-Ultra for at least one of its projects. Ewen Cameron, who was the former head of the Quebec Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and the World Psychiatric Association, received funding directly by the CIA through MK-Ultra, the Human Ecology Foundation which was a CIA front organization, and also through the Canadian government. So both the U.S. and Canadian psychiatric associations were involved in mind control experimentation in the 1960s.

But the U.S. government still conceals its mind control records and in fact has destroyed most if not all of its records by now. They have labeled victims of their abuse as mentally ill which shows rather directly that the U.S. abuses its psychiatric system in much the same way we accused the Soviet Union and Cuba of abusing their psychiatric systems.

And while my country continues to deny the existence of cults, they are proliferating and are nothing more than covers for pedophiles, kiddie porn activities, drug trafficking, prostitution, and a government gold mine of young minds to mold. I would say to parents, be sure you know your child's soccer coach, scout leader, best friend's parents, and anyone else your child admires. I know there are many good people out there, but the fact is pedophiles and those involved in the cults are usually in positions where they have access to young children.

ASSASSIN TRAINING

How do you teach a child to be an assassin? It's very easy. You use double binds and impossible choices. My first memory of this type of training was when I was three years old in Germany. I was given a hammer and was asked to smash a rat's head. I can still hear the thick German accent telling me how ugly rats were and they deserved to die. When I wouldn't do it, my memory flashed to the Nazi holding a bunny, petting it, saying how cute the bunny was. If I didn't kill the rat, he was going to keep killing cute little bunnies. He then killed the bunny with the hammer to prove he wasn't lying. I killed a rat. Then I was made to feel guilty because I could have saved the bunny if I had followed his instructions sooner. A child will kill to save another.

I graduated from animals to humans at least by the time I was in grade school. One question I keep asking myself is how many people were killed so they could train one Manchurian Candidate. This leads me to something about healing that I think is very important.

When I first began to remember what I was trained to do, I could barely deal with the guilt that I had harmed...killed other people. It was one thing that they tortured me, but it was an entirely different story that I harmed others. Spencer, my internal guide, explained to me that if I didn't get past the guilt, I would never heal. He also explained that I had no choice. It was not my will. If given the choice--and if they had allowed me my choice--I would have taken my own life. But they didn't allow that and the victims would have been killed regardless.

There were groups of individuals called "expendables". They were the orphans no one would miss, children born into cults and under the mind control program that no one knew about, and prisoners--people who were their terminal medical experiments and ritual sacrifices. And I was reminded that I did save every one of them because I internalized them as alters. That's how a child who is a multiple saves victims. The victims become alters who live on inside the child. That coping mechanism to the perps was just another way to produce alters.

TORTURE & HEALING

Torture is a difficult word for me to use. For a long time, I just called it programming because it was easier for me to deal with. But it included electroshock both as punishment and memory erasure. Sensory deprivation is when I was placed in a box or other container without light, sound, or touch in a terrifying setting to cause dissociation. I have many memories of coffins and graves. Sometimes snakes or spiders would be placed in the container with me and I would not be allowed to move or make any noise without electrical punishment. That's how they conditioned my alters not to be afraid. I was also drugged, sexually abused to include being used in kiddie porn and snuff films, and subjected to methods of degradation and humiliation designed to strip me of my sense of self. I recall flashing lights, being hung upside down to disorient me, having guns held to my head and hearing the click of an empty chamber, and constantly being subjected to emotional blackmail if I would ever tell of the abuse should I remember it.

How did I remember these kinds of details? By using scrapbook therapy. Because mind control victims are so heavily programmed with staying silent under threat of physical harm to themselves and others and/or told they will automatically commit suicide if they try to tell, when many survivors start to remember, they are terrified to seek help.

hunkahunka

01-12-2009, 02:51 AM

I read some of her testimony and it's worth pointing out how much of her story checks out with other MK victim's stories. Most notably Svali, and like Svali she also received some programming in germany.
I was born at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland in 1952 where my father was an instructor at the time. Aberdeen Proving Grounds is the world headquarters for U.S. Army intelligence. Aberdeen was also one of the stopover points for Paperclip Nazis. It's not difficult to conceive that a number of Nazis remained at Aberdeen since that was also the site of Edgewood Arsenal where many of the biochemical warfare experiments were carried out.

that is fascinating and yes it checks out. Edgewood Arsenal was one of the
biochemical warfare test sites where U.S. troops were gased and poisoned
by their own govt. in weapons tests.
http://www.project-112shad-fdn.com/
This also involved the mastermind of Jonestown, Dr. Lawrence Layton.

Some of Jones’ Lieutenants:

Dr. Lawrence Layton was chief of Chemical and Biological Warfare Research at Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah for many years. His wife, Lisa, was the daughter of Hugo Phillips, who had represented the huge Nazi manufacturing cartel, I.G. Farben, as a stockbroker. Their daughter, Debbie, met and married George Philip Blakey, whose parents had extensive stock holdings in Solve Drugs, a division of I.G. Farben.

“Blakey was reputed to be training mercenaries in Jonestown who were sent to work with CIA-backed UNITA forces in Angola. Terri Buford’s father, Admiral Charles T. Buford, worked with Naval Intelligence. Marie Katsaris’ father was minister with the Greek Orthodox Church, thought to be a conduit of CIA funding, and she claimed she had proof he was a CIA agent. The ‘official survivors’ were represented upon their return to the U.S. by Joseph Blatchford, an attorney who had been named in a prior scandal involving CIA infiltration of the Peace Corps.

“The people who were taken from San Francisco to begin their ‘new life’ in Guyana were bussed to Florida and arrived in Guyana bound and gagged, where they were forced to work 16 hours or more daily, and were fed on minimum rations. As more and more rumors began to filter back to the United States of druggings, beatings, torture, sexual humiliations and coercion at the Guyana site, Congressman Leo Ryan decided to go to Guyana and verify the situation for himself.

Interesting that the anonymous cult insider who wrote that expose'
of a cult that he called 'The People' (http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/survivor-stories/story-of-survivor-of-multi-generational-cult/), which put victims in boxes, tortured, and performed ritual sacrifices, reminds me so much of 'The People's Temple', the California cult that formed and made up Jim Jones' Jonestown encampment in Guyana.

hunkahunka

03-12-2009, 01:45 PM

Researcher: 'Dr. Death' Created City of Twins in Brazil

by Maayana Miskin

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129577

Mystery endures in Brazilian town of twins
By Alexei Barrionuevo
Published: Monday, February 23, 2009

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/world/americas/23iht-twins.1.20365644.html

Science!: Mengele Created City Of Twins In Brazil
In his new book, an Argentinean researcher reports that after fleeing to South America, Nazi Torturer/Doctor Joseph Mengele continued his experiments, and succeeded in creating a “twin city” in Brazil with an unusually high number of blond children.

hunkahunka

05-12-2009, 01:51 PM

Hyper-competitive, judgemental ideals of 'reality tv' culturing the darker
sides of human nature

by Hunkahunka

We've all enjoyed the pain of others.

Take a moment to flash back on the past ten years
of reality television

- people crying as they are torn apart by a group of
'judges' and voted off survivor island as they have
their imperfections summarized and their dreams
destroyed

- Judge Judy or her counterparts/imitations viciously
castigating people in public and virtually slapping them around
with her power

- Maury Povich and Jerry Springer publicly humiliating people
and making them cry to the amusement of others.

- Dreamers making fools of themselves for the judges of AMerican
Idol, dismissed derisively, laughed out of the room, insulted,
coldly rejected, many of them reduced to tears.

- Chef Ramsey hurling food and insults in Hells Kitchen, wielding
his power like an iron fist, and reducing the kitchen slaves to
quivering pawns.

- What Not to Wear. Need much be said about this ritual of public humiliation where people have their identities and clothes torn to shreds for the amusement of millions.

- Cops. Low income people and criminals running for their lives
from the police, in a desperate bid for freedom, & we all cheer as the concentration camp claims another ten or twenty year sentence from someone's life.

- You're fired. Donald Trump crushing people's dreams with a simple
two words. We live his power vicariously, as we see these greedy
and vain yuppies destroyed on a nightly basis.

- Dr. Phil publicly confronting people on their most intimate flaws ,
to the delight of millions.

- Obese people put in freak shows so others can enjoy their pain.

- Then probably the scariest of all is the Ultimate Fighter, where bones and teeth are broken and blood shed in the name of entertainment.

this is 'reality', as constructed for us.

A cruelty which plays to our base desires for revenge on others,
culturing a growing appetite for seeing others humiliated, judged,
rejected, culled , and punished.

Where is this taking us as a society? What is hidden at the end of this cruel fascist path laid out for us, a path
which we blindly follow mostly out
of sheer boredom and curiosity, not some seething desire to hurt others.
YEt it DOES shape us. Imagine the effect on children.

The intrinsic message is that our fellows our idiots, slobs, fools, etc. all in varying
forms , and all in need of some vicious comeuppance, or correction, or judgement
or rejection. How wonderful it is to see their pain, while we sit feeling superior.

When are we going to step back and look at the bigger picture here?

We are being molded by this judgmental, elitist, mean-spirited juggernaut
known as 'reality tv'.

Fuck reality tv.

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http://championofthesun.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/cops_logo.jpg

http://www.alifebe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/trump-youre-fired.jpg

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http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/CNBC_TV/CNBC_US/Shows/_Documentaries_Specials/Ultimate_Fighting_Fistful_of_Dollars/Slideshow/UFC_Slide05.jpg

mtex

06-12-2009, 03:16 PM

hunkahunka

07-12-2009, 01:28 AM

Nazi Mystery: Twins from Brazil

Seeing double is normal in Cândido Godói, Brazil, where the rate of twin births is nearly a thousand percent above the global average. One theory is that the Nazi doctor, Josef Mengele, may be behind the phenomenon.

video:

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/explorer/4087/Videos/07485_00#tab-Videos/07485_00

Read more:

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/explorer/4087/Videos/07485_00#tab-Videos/07485_00#ixzz0YxT69GUW

hunkahunka

07-12-2009, 01:58 AM

This is why I cannot watch TV. I don't have one. Haven't had one since 2004.
Every single show seems to be humiliation-based.
Of course, they are not humiliating those who deserve it, the elite controlers enslaving us. No, it's slaves humiliating other slaves.
Did you know that the word "frenemy" has replaced
the word "friend"? People are taught to expect to be
lied to, humiliated and backstabbed by their friends.
And their frenemies are taught that behaving this rotten way towards friends is normal, funny even.
Maria Technosux
anti-fascist blogger

I agree , and television is shaping us to be this way. I sense a change
in the children of this era. They are being trained to be more callous, confrontational, judgemental than ever.

Just look at the lineup of assorted sadists mentoring them.

Can anyone look at this pattern and say that it is all just a coincidence?

Can anyone honestly claim that it is just some natural trend, & only some 'give the people what they want' ratings chase behind it all?

Anyone who fails to recognize what has been gradually sneaked in on us,
as part of a larger agenda, is out of it.

soulja

07-12-2009, 09:00 PM

Very good post on reality tv hunka.

It's pure satanism, the illuminati mentality brought into our living rooms via the tube. I rarely watch tv these days but when i do i admit i find it quite interesting, because i watch with different eyes than back then when i was still a sheep. The symbolism of course is one thing which i can't help but to notice, but the main thing is the psychological side of it, the programming if you will.

Take those reality shows on MTV for example, it's always the same principle, a group of people/candidates who go through a series of tasks until one of them is left, the winner. There's always a jury made up of celebrities who after each finished task decide upon which candidate has to go. it's full of infighting, backstabbing, snitching, basicly it's everyone for himself, dog eat dog. They're all in the same boat, have to do the same tasks, often in teams so they have to work together. But still, the underlying reality is everyone for himself. It's very similar to what Svali said about life in the illuminati.

They all work together but at the same time also against each other, people higher up abuse the ones below, so everyone wants to advance to avoid the abuse and/or get into a position where they can abuse themselves. What also reminds me of the illuminati is the jury, remember Svali, Springmeier, and others, writing about the various councils within the illuminati. It's those councils, made up of High priests and priestesses,who decide what happens with the child brought before them. They look at the talents of the child and then decide what profession/way/etc they take in the brotherhood. That's the basic concept of all these reality shows. You wanna make it you gotta get passed the jury.

Sharon Osbourne's charm school
http://www.mtv.de/binaries/asset/show_detail/20132012/special_detail

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/rock-of-love-charm-school-winner.jpg

I've seen a few episodes of Sharon's charm school and i believe that many of the girls on that show are MK victims. Some girls were so over the top in their mood swings and general behaviour that i believe they either trigger them at times to cause alter switches or the whole show is completely scripted and staged. I'm pretty sure about the latter but wouldn't count out the mind control aspect. Most candidates of these reality shows are somehow connected anyway, they are not picked randomly. These shows are a great way to introduce new stars, ''make'' new celebrities. This goes especially for shows like ''next topmodel'' ''next popstar'' etc.. where there is a good chance that the winner will become at least a minor celebrity.

I watch the german version of popstar sometimes, and no kidding, i can tell you who goes through and who doesn't just by seeing the introduction films. You know when they introduce the candidates via short films. Apart from one or two times i got it right every time. Friends i watch it with are amazed at how i can ''predict'' the outcome before the people even start to sing.

There is nothing amazing about it though, it's so fricking obvious that the whole thing is a) scripted and b) the candidates who go through are chosen beforehand, they are already connected in some way and are now put on stage to introduce them to the world, to make 'em stars. It's easy to tell which ones are the ones that will go through and who are the ones picked for entertainment purposes only. The ones who are so utterly crap that the viewers ask themselves how deluded these people are to think they have talent when they are quite obviously really, really bad at singing or whatever. They pick some of them simply for the humiliation factor, parade them out so the jury and nation can laugh at them. The clowns of the circus so to speak. They also make the ones that go through look a lot better than they really are.

It all comes down to 'laugh at the weak, ugly, un-skilled, etc.. and cheer the strong, beautiful, skilled. And worship the half gods, the ones sitting in the jury, for it's those who ''decide'' (or so we're told) who goes through and who doesn't. In germany there is this guy in the jury, Dieter Bohlen, who is notorious for putting weak candidates down. He really humiliates them, often to the point where they start to cry and what heavier.

He's a former musician and now producer, very big in germany.

http://www.mattscdsingles.com/acatalog/40669.jpg
His album 'Lucifer' - the label he released most of his old stuff on is called blue system, with the blue square as logo. That's about as masonic as it gets.

soulja

08-12-2009, 01:20 AM

I agree , and television is shaping us to be this way. I sense a change
in the children of this era. They are being trained to be more callous, confrontational, judgemental than ever.

Just look at the lineup of assorted sadists mentoring them.

Can anyone look at this pattern and say that it is all just a coincidence?

Can anyone honestly claim that it is just some natural trend, & only some 'give the people what they want' ratings chase behind it all?

Anyone who fails to recognize what has been gradually sneaked in on us,
as part of a larger agenda, is out of it.

Natural trend lol. It's deliberate, carefully crafted, and mainly produced for programing/conditioning purposes. It ties in with the plan to destroy the family unit. Watch MTV for a few hours and it becomes crystal clear why the kids/teens are the way they are. Of course that goes for other channels too but MTV is simply the worst, by far.

MTV is completely satanic and doesn't even try to hide it.
http://www.posterart.com/ourposters/images/MTV.jpg

MTV is also the medium which brings music and tv together. And music has an even bigger influence on the youth than tv. music is, imo, in addition to the normal programing while listening also self-programming in a way, you repeat the lyrics in your head over and over again. Often the lyrics are from the singers pov, means ''I'' ''me'' and so on. Now if you repeat the lyrics in your head it's you who is saying ''I'' and whatever text follows. '' i'm this i'm that, i do this i do that, i love to/this..etc.''

And that's just the thoughts shape mindset aspect of it, add to that the whole image/life style and values that are promoted in most music these days. Rap (not all of course) is probably the worst, as it's all about sex, money, and violence. It's about egoism, being the best/first/strongest and show no empathy for those who are weak. weak can be anything from the wrong clothes to physical weak. The weak are there to serve the strong, or be crushed. That's a major point of the whole youth manipulation, to make them cold, teach them to have no compassion for their fellow humans. Especially if someone shows weakness in whatever way or form. Not just shall you not help the weak but you shall condem them, despise them.

It's pure satanism, straight out of Crowley's book of the law. The illuminati mindset. They want us and our children to be slaves with the mindset of their masters. makes for easier manageable slaves.

If you look at the control system and all it's numerous little mechanism designed to keep us in line and to mold our minds, you can only admit the genius behind it all. It's pure evil, but unfortunately it's evil paired with genius.

Just look at what they do with many of us who start to see through the basics, like bilderberger, 9/11, and all that. They hit us with a mishmash of new age, witchcraft, paganism, ultimately designed to cause us to blame ourselves. ''We created it'' ''i'm poor because i don't attract money with my mind'' and all that nonsense. Seriously think about it, they actually managed to make their victims blame themselves for what is done to them. That's the ultimate mindfuck, the victim who realizes he's a victim is then made to blame himself. All the while believing he realized some deep spiritual truth, a universal law of sort. like i said, the manipulation mechanism behind it is pure genius.

On a more positive and optimistic note, if you think about how much the elite throw at us on every level, be it food additives, chemtrails, laws, religion, papermoney, wars, ''education'', pharma medicine, tv, music, etc.. then you begin to grasp how strong we really are. Our souls, the human spirit. I mean they attack us in every possible way: mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical, yet there are still people who wake up and see through the manipulation. There are different stages to that of course, like some realize it's all controlled while others see just the basics of control. But nevertheless a good number of people is awake/waking up.

This (perceived at least) awakening could be the main reason why this generation gets targeted harder than the generations before. It's all more twisted and more evil now than it was ever before. Especially tv and music wise.

On the other hand it could simply be natural progression, as they first had to tear down the moral walls of our grandparents and parents before they could unleash the real dirt.

When i think about my childhood though, i realize they did hit my generation with the same shit as this generation. Not as hardcore but in essence the same. When i grew up children program was bugs bunny, he-man, turtles, and the likes. now compare that to the kids tv today. It's pretty lame in comparison, in every sense of the word. The stuff i watched as a kid seems harmless, it reminds at the good old days where a cartoon was still a cartoon and not some satanic mind fuck.

Only at first glance however, if you look closer you'll see elements of the same agenda being pushed back then as today. take bugs bunny, does anyone remember how often bugs dressed himself as a woman? or how often bugs kissed some other male character on the mouth? Watch it again and look out for it if you think i'm talking bollox. It's rather mindblowing how many episodes feature scenes of crossdressing and/or other gay activity.

http://blog.anonymousbroccoli.com/2006-12-04/bugsho.jpg

Before people call me a homophobe because i mentioned crossdressing and gay kissing being unusual for a bugs bunny series, let me add that bugs bunny was mostly about violence. It's constantly hitting each other with all sorts of weapons/items, shooting at each other, preparing traps and whatnot. Same goes for tom & jerry, completely violent. But cos it's a cartoon we don't really perceive it as violence. It's just fun, right?

So as far back as Bugs bunny we had genderbender elements and violence. Which is roughly what they push on the kids today. Just that today it's more dysfunctional, more extreme, more frequent, more blatant. Also, cartoons today are much faster than they were when i grew up. It's all quick flashy images, more colours, sound fitting the pace, and all that. The whole package changed, got more sophisticated. Which i'm pretty sure is not easy/gentle on the mind.

Then there is the stuff we don't see consciously, i.e subliminals. The amount of phallus depictions hidden in disney films is insane.

greydove

08-12-2009, 08:47 PM

Natural trend lol. It's deliberate, carefully crafted, and mainly produced for programing/conditioning purposes. It ties in with the plan to destroy the family unit. Watch MTV for a few hours and it becomes crystal clear why the kids/teens are the way they are. Of course that goes for other channels too but MTV is simply the worst, by far.

MTV is completely satanic and doesn't even try to hide it.
http://www.posterart.com/ourposters/images/MTV.jpg

MTV is also the medium which brings music and tv together. And music has an even bigger influence on the youth than tv. music is, imo, in addition to the normal programing while listening also self-programming in a way, you repeat the lyrics in your head over and over again. Often the lyrics are from the singers pov, means ''I'' ''me'' and so on. Now if you repeat the lyrics in your head it's you who is saying ''I'' and whatever text follows. '' i'm this i'm that, i do this i do that, i love to/this..etc.''

And that's just the thoughts shape mindset aspect of it, add to that the whole image/life style and values that are promoted in most music these days. Rap (not all of course) is probably the worst, as it's all about sex, money, and violence. It's about egoism, being the best/first/strongest and show no empathy for those who are weak. weak can be anything from the wrong clothes to physical weak. The weak are there to serve the strong, or be crushed. That's a major point of the whole youth manipulation, to make them cold, teach them to have no compassion for their fellow humans. Especially if someone shows weakness in whatever way or form. Not just shall you not help the weak but you shall condem them, despise them.

It's pure satanism, straight out of Crowley's book of the law. The illuminati mindset. They want us and our children to be slaves with the mindset of their masters. makes for easier manageable slaves.

If you look at the control system and all it's numerous little mechanism designed to keep us in line and to mold our minds, you can only admit the genius behind it all. It's pure evil, but unfortunately it's evil paired with genius.

Just look at what they do with many of us who start to see through the basics, like bilderberger, 9/11, and all that. They hit us with a mishmash of new age, witchcraft, paganism, ultimately designed to cause us to blame ourselves. ''We created it'' ''i'm poor because i don't attract money with my mind'' and all that nonsense. Seriously think about it, they actually managed to make their victims blame themselves for what is done to them. That's the ultimate mindfuck, the victim who realizes he's a victim is then made to blame himself. All the while believing he realized some deep spiritual truth, a universal law of sort. like i said, the manipulation mechanism behind it is pure genius.

On a more positive and optimistic note, if you think about how much the elite throw at us on every level, be it food additives, chemtrails, laws, religion, papermoney, wars, ''education'', pharma medicine, tv, music, etc.. then you begin to grasp how strong we really are. Our souls, the human spirit. I mean they attack us in every possible way: mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical, yet there are still people who wake up and see through the manipulation. There are different stages to that of course, like some realize it's all controlled while others see just the basics of control. But nevertheless a good number of people is awake/waking up.

This (perceived at least) awakening could be the main reason why this generation gets targeted harder than the generations before. It's all more twisted and more evil now than it was ever before. Especially tv and music wise.

On the other hand it could simply be natural progression, as they first had to tear down the moral walls of our grandparents and parents before they could unleash the real dirt.

When i think about my childhood though, i realize they did hit my generation with the same shit as this generation. Not as hardcore but in essence the same. When i grew up children program was bugs bunny, he-man, turtles, and the likes. now compare that to the kids tv today. It's pretty lame in comparison, in every sense of the word. The stuff i watched as a kid seems harmless, it reminds at the good old days where a cartoon was still a cartoon and not some satanic mind fuck.

Only at first glance however, if you look closer you'll see elements of the same agenda being pushed back then as today. take bugs bunny, does anyone remember how often bugs dressed himself as a woman? or how often bugs kissed some other male character on the mouth? Watch it again and look out for it if you think i'm talking bollox. It's rather mindblowing how many episodes feature scenes of crossdressing and/or other gay activity.

http://blog.anonymousbroccoli.com/2006-12-04/bugsho.jpg

Before people call me a homophobe because i mentioned crossdressing and gay kissing being unusual for a bugs bunny series, let me add that bugs bunny was mostly about violence. It's constantly hitting each other with all sorts of weapons/items, shooting at each other, preparing traps and whatnot. Same goes for tom & jerry, completely violent. But cos it's a cartoon we don't really perceive it as violence. It's just fun, right?

So as far back as Bugs bunny we had genderbender elements and violence. Which is roughly what they push on the kids today. Just that today it's more dysfunctional, more extreme, more frequent, more blatant. Also, cartoons today are much faster than they were when i grew up. It's all quick flashy images, more colours, sound fitting the pace, and all that. The whole package changed, got more sophisticated. Which i'm pretty sure is not easy/gentle on the mind.

Then there is the stuff we don't see consciously, i.e subliminals. The amount of phallus depictions hidden in disney films is insane.

So true. Things were not as innocent as they seemed. Even in the old days there was an agenda. LenonHonor did a pretty good film about Disney in the early days (1920's) that made me fairly sick. Basically it showed how Disney was created with the intent of pushing a sexual agenda on children from day one.

rodin

08-12-2009, 09:38 PM

I roared with laughter @ Tom n Jerry as a kid - it was pure fun really.

hunkahunka

09-12-2009, 12:59 PM

Prior to the actual harnessing and control of electricity,
medical lore documented complete and permanent amnesia presenting in those who had been struck by lightning. This no doubt fascinated scientists of the time.

Complete amnesiacs are the closest thing to a programmable human robot, otherwise known
as 'the walking dead'.

This must have excited occultist science circles of the time.

http://www.gate1travel.com/europe-travel/images/photos/london-tower300.jpg

http://www.walktalktour.com/~blog/uploaded_images/L3-CP13-Tower-of-London-720817.jpg
quad lighting rods of the Tower of London, complete with pods large enough to store prisoners.

Re: Venetian secret societies such as Skull & Bones the Hellfire Club, etc.

http://www.blather.net/img/featured/wycombe/church2.jpg
http://www.blather.net/blather/2006/02/the_hellfire_club_tunnels_and.html
http://www.blather.net/blather/1998/06/photographs_of_the_hellfire_cl.htm
http://www.blather.net/img/featured/wycombe/church3.jpg
West Wycombe Church

the above building is West Wycombe Church and grave yard, which was built on a chalk hill , in England, directly above where the Hellfire Club caves were later carved out. The caves were carved directly beneath the grave yard, and one of the caves is named after Benjamin Franklin. Sir Francis Dashwood built the entire complex and was heavily into kaballah and occult, and part of the Rosicrucian masonic network that founded America.
Dashwood built West Wycombe 'church' from an old Norman castle

http://www.blather.net/img/featured/wycombe/map.gif

http://blather.net/img/blather/hellfire_club_uk/hellfire_banquet_IMG_4505.jpg
Hellfire Club caves

http://www.arthauspics.com/images/hellllll.jpg

rumors persist that Benjamin Franklin and Francis Dashwood participated in such orgies at the hellfire club, and occult rituals/sacrifices. Benjamin Franklin was also an opium addict.

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H3dFh6GA-A
Dr. Frankenstein creates his monster on the night of
lightning storm, utilizing the electric current of lightning strikes

I suspect that the above Hellfire Club complex was actually a programming facility for trauma-based ritual abuse. Note the lightning rod/lightning pod construction on the top of West Wycombe. The Tower of London was
also a famous torture facility.

Organic Amnesia Is Not Traumatic Dissociative Amnesia

Some traumatic dissociative amnesia theorists have cited cases of organic amnesia as relevant to repression of traumatic memory. Brown et al7pp609-610 describe a finding by Dollinger13 that “two of the 38 children studied after watching lightning strike and kill a playmate had no memory of the event.” However, Brown et al failed to mention that both amnesic children had also been struck by side flashes from the main lightning bolt, knocked unconscious, and nearly killed. The other children present during the disaster who were not struck by lightning remembered the event all too well. Therefore, amnesia in the 2 children struck by the lightning resulted from the physical, not psychic, aspects of their trauma. One must not confuse amnesia resulting from direct physical insult to the brain with traumatic dissociative amnesia.

Mild lightning injury is rarely associated with superficial burns, but persons struck often report loss of consciousness, amnesia, confusion, tingling, and numerous other nonspecific symptoms. Lightning burns are invariably superficial and have little or no deep-tissue damaging effects.
Historically, lightning has been viewed as a sign of the anger of the gods from Greek and Norse mythology, and, as such, many myths have arisen regarding the risk, care, and outcome from lightning injuries. Much of our early colonial understanding of electricity and conduction came from the experiments of Benjamin Franklin playing with a kite in a thunderstorm.

http://www.redicecreations.com/ul_img/317hellfire.jpg
Benjamin Franklin and Sir Francis Dashwood (knighted) were members
of the Hellfire Club

Expendable prisoners at the Tower of London or West Wycombe may have been placed in metallic cells constructed at the base of lightning rods. ( other similar facilities could be built on hills known for frequent lighting strikes).

This may have been an early occult science experiment in harnessing the power of electricity and reproducing
lightning strike amnesia.

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/57500/Big-Ben-Struck-by-Lightning--57946.jpg

http://79.170.40.172/spendtimeinlondon.com/images/783px-Tower_of_london_from_swissre.jpg
Tower of London prison complex

meek

09-12-2009, 03:09 PM

So true. Things were not as innocent as they seemed. Even in the old days there was an agenda. LenonHonor did a pretty good film about Disney in the early days (1920's) that made me fairly sick. Basically it showed how Disney was created with the intent of pushing a sexual agenda on children from day one.

Its only gotten worse...

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/h/images/heart-is-deceitful-above-all-things-poster-0.jpg

The "little girl" is actually a little boy - Dylan Sprouse(one of a set of identical twins who both participated in this twisted film about a prostitute mother with a cross dressing son who was repeatedly sodomized - Just the kind of wholesome family fun Disney wants to promote right?)

Here both twins (Dylan & Cole Sprouse) can be seen at that films 2003 wrap party:
http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Celebrities/A_F/Ci_Cp/Cole_Sprouse/1/cole-sprouse7.jpg

And 2 years later guess where they ended up getting very popular and influencing an untold number of today's unsuspecting children??

On Disney Channel's The Suite Life of Zack and Cody!
http://sprouse.strips4you.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/112.jpg

And now they spin off onto another series 'Suite Life on Deck' because of their incredible success:
http://www.disneydreaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/suite-life-3.jpg

Did Disney overlook their youthful indiscretion of taking a non family values role in the 2003 movie? Is this all just some mishap or coincidence?
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7286/minimarilyn.jpg

Decide for yourself...

hunkahunka

09-12-2009, 03:46 PM

http://edhird.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/benjamin-franklin-lightning.jpg

http://www.kirkbridebuildings.com/blog/images/2008/06/17/1.jpg
Pennsylvania Hospital for the Insane

interesting too that Benjamin Franklin created one of the first
lunatic asylums in America, the Pennsylvania Hospital, which later
built Pennsylvania State Lunatic Hospital for the Insane,
which was the first Kirkbride hospital, designed by Pennsylvania Hospital superintendent
Dr. Thomas Story Kirkbride:

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/paharc/features/psych.html

Pennsylvania Hospital's Influence on the Field of Psychiatry

Written by Howard Sudak, MD

Pennsylvania Hospital is the birthplace of formalized American medicine and many of our nation's "firsts" were achieved on the 8th and Spruce Streets campus -- the first surgical ampitheatre, the first apothecary, and even the first hospital auxiliary. The physicians, surgeons, nurses and administrators who practiced here were are all remarkable and went to great lengths to ensure the success of the hospital. One achievement stands out the most: Pennsylvania Hospital's unprecedented influence on the field of psychiatry.

Dr. Thomas Bond and Benjamin Franklin saw the need to care for the increasing number of "lunaticks" who were wandering the streets of Philadelphia during the city's population boom of the mid-1700s. Their famous fundraising efforts led to the formation of the hospital and by the time it opened its doors to patients on February 11, 1753, six of the first people treated were psychiatric patients. A short 30 years later, Benjamin Rush came to the hospital and changed the face of psychiatric treatment in America -- forever.

Rush was a physician ahead of his time and is universally acknowledged as the "father of American Psychiatry." He was the first to believe that mental illness was a disease of the mind, rather than a possession of demons, and attempted to treat his patients accordingly. He placed great emphasis on recreational and occupational therapies, but he also believed strongly in purging, blood letting and "twirling." Although by today's standards the care provided was horrific and at times ineffective, Rush and his colleagues truly believed they were providing the most humane treatment possible.

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/paharc/collections/exhibits/psych/tranqchair.jpg
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/paharc/collections/exhibits/psych/

Rush forced the hospital to cease its policy of chaining the most serious cases of the mentally ill in unheated cells in the basement of the Pine Building. He also helped stop the townspeople from coming to the hospital to watch the insane patients as a form of entertainment. It is because of this and the exemplary treatment provided, the number of insane patients in the hospital was far greater than the number of physically ill.

By the 1800s, the hospital's psychiatric wards were far too crowded. Physicians believed these patients needed confinement and did not think a cure was possible. The majority of the patients spent many years in the hospital and the hospital needed the space to care for the growing number of medical, surgical and obstetric patients. A new facility was needed just to accommodate the insane. The Pennsylvania Hospital for the Insane, which eventually became the Institute of Pennsylvania Hospital, opened its doors in 1841. By this time, Dr. Thomas Story Kirkbride was in charge and again, treatment for the mentally ill reached new heights.

A Quaker, Kirkbride practiced what was popularly known as the time as "moral treatment." Kirkbride and his contemporaries began to view mental illness differently. There was now hope that those suffering with mental illness could be cured. Kirkbride strongly influenced the construction of the Institute and made sure the facility was built on expansive grounds. It housed occupational therapy suites, libraries and swimming pools that allowed the patients many recreational and educational opportunities.

The Institute was not the first free-standing psychiatric hospital in the United States, but it was the first to be associated with a general hospital. In 1844, Kirkbride hosted a meeting of the 13 superintendents of the hospitals for the insane that led to the creation of what is now known as the American Psychiatric Association, the nation's first sub-specialty medical society. Kirkbride remained close with the leaders of the original 13 institutions and that group became known as the Ivy League Private Psychiatric Hospital Group, which is still in existence today. During its 150-plus years in operation, the Institute gave rise to 12 presidents of the American Psychiatric Association -- more than any other hospital in the United States.

The Institute of Pennsylvania Hospital continued to treat patients until 1997, when Pennsylvania Hospital was forced to sell the facility due to the drastic reductions in funding for mental health treatment. Inpatient psychiatric care moved back to the 8th and Spruce Streets campus where the services were joined with the community mental health services offered by the Hall-Mercer Community Mental Health and Mental Retardation Center. Combining these state-of-the-art programs with the hospital's psychiatry and psychology teaching programs has enabled the institution to remain at the forefront of the care of the mentally ill and disabled. The merger of Pennsylvania Hospital to the University of Pennsylvania Health System has expanded the services even further to include psychiatric research.

It would appear that not only did American psychiatry begin at Pennsylvania Hospital, the hospital remains a strong influence in the field of behavioral health. The hospital is justifiably proud of both what is was and what it continues to be today.

http://www.universityaffairs.ca/uploadedImages/Images/Article_Images/2009/August/electroshock_448.jpg

hunkahunka

09-12-2009, 04:06 PM

this is the 'church' and graveyard that was situated directly over top of
the underground Hellfire Club cave complex at West Wycombe:

quote:

http://blather.net/blather/2006/02/the_hellfire_club_tunnels_and.html

http://blather.net/img/blather/hellfire_club_uk/IMG_4403_wycombe_church.jpg
The Dashwood Church, West Wycombe

http://blather.net/img/blather/hellfire_club_uk/IMG_4396_wycombe_church.jpg
The Golden ball on top of the Church. It has a little hatch, allowing access for a couple of people

hunkahunka

11-12-2009, 04:09 PM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16594840

Benjamin Franklin and shock-induced amnesia.

Finger S, Zaromb F.

Department of Psychology, Washington University, St. Louis, MO 63130-4899, USA. sfinger@wustl.edu

Shock-induced amnesia received considerable attention after Cerletti popularized electroconvulsive shock therapy in the late 1930s. Yet, often overlooked is the fact that Benjamin Franklin recognized that passing electricity through the head could affect memory for the traumatic event. Franklin described his findings on himself and others in several letters from the mid-1700s, 2 of which were published in his lifetime. What he observed was confirmed in 1783 by physician Jan Ingenhousz, who was one of his correspondents. Although Ingenhousz had lost his memory for his electrical accident and was confused immediately afterward, he felt strangely elated and unusually sharp the next morning. Hence, he called for clinical trials with patients with melancholia who were not responding to more conventional therapies. After Franklin received Ingenhousz's letter, he also called for clinical trials. Neither man, however, tied the possible new cure for melancholia to the memory loss--nor did the operators that began to treat some patients with melancholia successfully with cranial shocks. Only much later would the amnesia be thought to be associated with the cure. 2006 APA, all rights reserved

wyndham

11-12-2009, 04:35 PM

re REality TV

I haven't watched tv for a year now...but I was waiting in a car dealership and they were playing Ellen Degeneris (sic) and I couldn't believe how insane it was, lewd, bizarre...the whole mood was absolutely deranged...in increments they turn the heat up...saw a rare clip of a room inside the NSA and it was full of maybe 500 tv screens from every part of the world, like watching some hyperactive opera, following the pulse of each nation...IBM suppossedly has a computer that can map the economy years in advance as emotional output using Markov data, Beyesian equations and Boltzman theory...reading the biography of Brian Eno music producer, and it is interesting that all of these art schools are led by ex British military intelligence types...just like all the computer schools in the US...

Eno followed in the path of Arthur Schoenberg - dischordist - Frankfurt School - psychological control via mass media - and was very interested in deconstructive arrangement, especially timbre, or ambient music...timbre or tone and pitch of notes and their extension in time seriously effects mood which is why Eno started a company to produce dozens of background and soundtracks for film...Hollywood of course home to as many military offices as entertainment...

was reading while someone was watching a movie and was trying to concentrate but was interrupted by this film that just 'ambiently' was very easy to figure-out, but staring at the screen, one becomes confused by plot character emotion look etc...but just listening to the screen with partial attention, it was quite easy to deconstruct the time frame of the mood alterations of the story by its timbre and pitch...and it was much shorter in duration than you would think possible to keep the attention of an intelligent adult...(part of the appeal of cannabis time distortion to systems theory - programming, written about by Walter Benjamin)

hunkahunka

12-12-2009, 02:17 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jXMIsK3dV50/SsUF3Crjj-I/AAAAAAAAVkk/IK92t9QOG9g/s400/ekq14jiropvg1qjg.jpg

http://dailyblabber.ivillage.com/entertainment/archives/Britney%27s%20Twisted%20Childhood.jpg

when I came across this photo of Britney Shields and Brooke Spears
together, I thought about spears and shields and knighthood bloodlines.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jXMIsK3dV50/SsTuJuTBRiI/AAAAAAAAVi8/uG7RLAs7hvc/s400/77449635.jpg

then I found out that the Hellfire Club also went by the name of the
Order of Knights of West Wycombe, and was founded by a freemason,
Philip Wharton:

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/wharton_p/wharton_p.html

In 1750, Dashwood rented Medmenham Abbey and began its restoration the following year. "Restoration," however, is perhaps a misleading choice of words. The original abbey dated from the thirteenth century, and had been added to extensively during the Tudor period. Dashwood added a ruined tower and cloister to enhance the building's Gothic atmosphere. Above the (deliberately) crumbling entrance were emblazoned the words of the sixteenth-century philosopher-satirist Francois Rabelais: "Fay ce que voudras" ("Do what thou wilt"). This folly became the new seat of Dashwood's club, known as the "Abbey of Theleme." (20)

hunkahunka

12-12-2009, 02:21 PM

Britney Spears Grandma Shotgun Suicide;

In an explosive new cover story, US Weekly Magazine is shattering the innocent image that made Southern blonde Britney Spears a pop star. US claims Brit’s paternal grandmother, Emma Jean Spears, committed suicide in June 1966 at age thirty-one. Suffering from depression, shot herself in the chest with a shotgun at the grave of her infant son who had died eight years earlier.

greydove

13-12-2009, 02:22 AM

soulja

13-12-2009, 06:50 AM

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7286/minimarilyn.jpg

Decide for yourself...

Isit only me or is there a demonic face above her err his head?

hunkahunka

13-12-2009, 02:57 PM

what about

http://www.world-city-photos.org/Paris/Eiffel_Tower/Pictures_of_Eiffel_Tower_black_and_white.jpg

it even looks like a pylon

I know what you mean:

http://www.spaldingelectricians.co.uk/images/pylon.jpg
electrical pylon

I looked into Eiffel tower to see if it preceded the production & harnessing of electricity , but
it turns out that scientists had been developing the use of synthetic electricity for quite awhile
before its construction . For those interested, here is a very brief snippet on the early days
of electricity (around the time that the Eiffel Tower was built)

Electricity and Lightbulb - History

Thomas Edison's greatest challenge was the development of a practical incandescent, electric light. Contrary to popular belief, he didn't "invent" the lightbulb, but rather he improved upon a 50-year-old idea. In 1879, using lower current electricity, a small carbonized filament, and an improved vacuum inside the globe, he was able to produce a reliable, long-lasting source of light. The idea of electric lighting was not new, and a number of people had worked on, and even developed forms of electric lighting. But up to that time, nothing had been developed that was remotely practical for home use. Edison's eventual achievement was inventing not just an incandescent electric light, but also an electric lighting system that contained all the elements necessary to make the incandescent light practical, safe, and economical. After one and a half years of work, success was achieved when an incandescent lamp with a filament of carbonized sewing thread burned for thirteen and a half hours.
The Eiffel Tower was built for the 1889 World's Fair.

There are a couple of other interesting things about the invention of the light bulb: While most of the attention was on the discovery of the right kind of filament that would work, Edison actually had to invent a total of seven system elements that were critical to the practical application of electric lights as an alternative to the gas lights that were prevalent in that day.

These were the development of:

1. the parallel circuit,
2. a durable light bulb,
3. an improved dynamo,
4. the underground conductor network,
5. the devices for maintaining constant voltage,
6. safety fuses and insulating materials, and
7. light sockets with on-off switches.

Before Edison could make his millions, every one of these elements had to be invented and then, through careful trial and error, developed into practical, reproducible components. The first public demonstration of Thomas Edison's incandescent lighting system was in December 1879, when the Menlo Park laboratory complex was electrically lighted. Edison spent the next several years creating the electric industry.

The modern electric utility industry began in the 1880s.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2009/0909/light_bulb_0901.jpg
Thomas Edison exhibits a replica of his first successful incandescent lamp, which gave 16 candlepower of illumination. Today there is a 50,000-watt, 150,000-candlepower lamp

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1919956,00.html#ixzz0cVf0GTTY

The Eiffel Tower was built for the 1889 World's Fair, and yes it
does have a sort of 'gateway to the electrical age' look to it.

http://www.astsports.com.au/data/website/Image/Cricket/Ashes%202009/eiffel-tower-day.jpg

there are quite a few pics of the tower actually being hit by lightning (makes me wonder if this construction location was selected partially for this reason):

http://www.immediart.com/catalog/images/big_images/SPL_E_E145404-Lightning_bolts_striking_the_Eiffel_Tower-SPL.jpg

http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/lightning_eiffel.jpg

http://media.picfor.me/00114826/Struck-uploaded-by-Logan5-category-tags-eiffel-tower-lightning-paris-lightning-paris-tower-Eiffel_large.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2370/2300404515_71f4638a6f.jpg
Maryland State Capitol heritage building

The lightning rod which tops the dome is a story in itself. It is a "Franklin" rod, constructed and grounded to Benjamin Franklin's specifications. In some respects, the use of this type of lightning rod was also a political statement, expressing support for Franklin's theories on protection of public buildings from lightning strikes and the rejection of the opposing theories supported by King George III. The pointed lightning rod atop such an important new public building was a powerful symbol of the independence and ingenuity of the young nation."

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=625

reminds me of the Golden Boy (hermes) atop the Manitoba Legislative Building

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:VQR707lnBpqQKM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/GoldenBoyWinnipeg.JPG

very interesting page on the mystical/mystery-religion facets of
the Manitoba Legislative building:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=625

http://images-2.redbubble.net/img/art/border:blackwithdetail/product:mounted-print/size:small/view:preview/2524050-2-manitobas-golden-boy.jpg
The "Golden Boy". Hermes is of first importance to Masonic scholars, because he was the author of the Masonic initiatory rituals, which were borrowed from the Mysteries established by Hermes. Nearly all of the Masonic symbols are Hermetic in character.

pureheart

14-12-2009, 08:07 PM

Aplogies if this has already been posted but I came across this blog today...

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=154527144&blogId=519163745

This guy says Tom Grant killed Kurt. :confused:

cascades

15-12-2009, 06:17 AM

Wow. ;)
I first came upon this thread last week (my first ever visit to davidicke.com).

Never a fan of Nirvana, I was intrigued instead by the NW connection (Washington, Oregon, Idaho and BC) and as I read some memories began returning - ones that might be of interest to others readers.

I've managed to make my way through about 60% of what is here already. If I happen to add something already mentioned, I apologize now.

I've been struck by 2 points while reading:
1) the incredible amount of detail and time taken in supplying the plethora of info already here. Those of you who have made the effort to compile all that's here should be proud. Really.
2) the unfortunate loss of links. I don't know why that is, but more than 1/2 (by my estimation) of the links previously provided are now gone. What a shame. I am not a frequent user of forums and barely know how to add my own posts, so that's not a criticism, rather a disappointment.

Rather than start with my own memories, I'm going to first post an article I read yesterday. One that, after reading, I knew belonged here. It was for that reason I quickly signed up with the icke.com website and am beginning to post rather than waiting until reading every post in this thread.

All right - here goes: (link first)
LINK: http://deadmanmusings.blogspot.com/2009/12/tiger-woods-professional-athletes-and.html

Article: SUNDAY, DECEMBER 13, 2009

Tiger Woods, Professional Athletes and MK Ultra

As we read the sordid details of Tiger Woods personal life, the question raises its ugly head: How could a man with so much going for him outwardly, be such a mess inwardly?

Marital fidelity and family life mean nothing to the Illuminati Satanists that are actively manipulating our world. In fact, they are diametrically opposed to family and community. Instead, they adhere to Socrates sexual fantasies expressed in his discussions about "Communism".

You see, marital fidelity and family mean nothing to the Global Elite. They sexually abuse their own children. They sexually abuse the children of other Illuminati families. In fact, raising a MK Ultra sex slave is purely a matter of business to these psychopaths. Just ask those who investigated the Jon Benet murder mystery.

"Despite the neo-Nazi nuance, Yeager and Knoke were positively certain that JonBenet's mother forged the kidnap letter. "Our conclusion," Yeager offered, "is that you are investigating a child's murder with ritualistic overtones. Strangulation and sexual assault are most commonly seen in sadomasochism between heterosexual and homosexual adults....

Was it because of the ritual, sexual abuse being perpetrated upon her - was it because of the child-porn ring being run out of Denver in which child 'Models' were being used for sexual favors and of which Jonbenet was one of those 'Models' or is it that Patsy simply could not stand the competition - on the stage and at home and therefore she (JonBenet) must be sacrificed for her (Patsy's) 'sins'?" (Source)

If they are nothing else, the Illuminati are materialists. People are objects that need to be controlled. Evil is incapable of love and becomes numb to physical pleasures over time. The brain is a funny thing, when you block out love and compassion, you end up blocking out every other human emotion. In the end, all you are is machine, incapable of feelings and lusting after more power, more energy without consideration for the consequences.

Tiger Woods, it is reported, was raised through the MK Ultra program. J. Lee said the following:

"Eldrick Tont "Tiger" Woods is HATED by other golfers, who know he's a manufactured product of Pentagon MKULTRA mind control. I was told this by a pro golfer while we were at an aircraft factory in Oregon hand-building our own personal jet aircraft.

Baby Tiger's colonel Green Beret Special Forces Vietnam baby-killer daddy hired a military drill instructor to scream at him while putting and swinging. "Tiger's" parents ancestry is from [Communist] China and [Communist] Thailand, home of Manchurian Candidates, so "Tiger" is only 1/4 black. "Tiger" is a Buddhist who "studied" with monks at monestaries in [Communist] Asia. Since his mommy is a Thai citizen, "Tiger" is a citizen of Communist Thailand. "Tiger" is named for a South Vietnamese army officer who assassinated 50,000 South Vietnamese government employees who opposed the Communists of the New World Order (Phoenix Program). (source)............

"Tiger" first played golf at age 3 on the Bob Hope TV Show. Bob Hope is a notorious MKULTRA programmer and pedophile CIA sexslave handler. Homosexual rape is required by MKULTRA as torture to create multiple personalities, often on military bases, as proven in the Franklin Cover-up. (ibid)

It's not just steroids folks, or nutrition. No matter what body you possess, you are still governed by a mind. The Illuminati, through "Delta Programming" can dramatically enhance the mental game of an athlete through trauma based programming. According to Svali, this type of "brain-wave programming" creates an emotionless alter personality(s) that have photographic memories (source)

Delta Programming was perfected by the NAZIS as military programming. It is also part of the military training for many of those in our Special Forces:

The army is moving toward becoming an occult fighting force that practices witchcraft with its warfare. Some of the units moving that direction are Psy-Op operations, which has included Satanists within its officers. The Delta Force network of various Generals and other high ranking officers is merely one facet of the drive by the Illuminati to transform the American army into something akin to occultic warriors that will be as fierce as the Nazi Death head units. Bear in mind that George Bush, commander-in-chief of Burn’s Armed Forces has come from an Illuminati family/ & the Ill. Skull & Bones chapter that was part of the secret support for Hitler. They have been using as an insignia that they themselves (the Skull & Boners) call “the Death Head”....

Military units such as the "First Earth Battalion although they are supported by American tax dollars are not here to protect America. They are global minded. They are here to protect an occult world government. They are out there actively promoting the New World Order. Several years ago, Egendorf states that $4.5 million (which came from you and I, and other Americans) had already been spent on Delta Force’s 80 different projects. The Green Berets is another organization that has been heavily targeted by the Satanists, to indoctrinate and recruit. The Green Berets are increasingly moving toward being warrior-monk group. Many of them are now programmed multiples. (Source)

"Super Athletes", like Tiger Woods, are created in the same fashion, using the same programming that has been perfected by the military. The difference is that they focus on specific skills necessary for them to reach the top of the preselected Sport that they participate in.

The trauma inflicted during programming causes "alter" personalities to emerge. These alters are then programmed to make cold hard preset decisions, like a computer script, that are not influenced by the environment. Where as the average human feels intimidated by large crowds; influenced by emotions; and has a difficult time keeping their focus, the Illuminati Mind Controlled Athlete and his/her alter personalities don't share these weaknesses.

Thus, Tiger Woods can execute the same "programmed" sequence each and every time he addresses the ball with amazingly consistent results. More machine than man, he shows no emotion other than the one he is supposed to express according to his preprogrammed scripting. It goes something like this:

Shot:= 420 Yards to the Flag on the green.

Scripted programming: Use a 3 wood at x angle with y velocity. Set tee at ____ inches. Smile and Wave to crowd. Take shot. Hand club to caddy.

Every variable is addressed and every possible outcome is also programmed within the individual, as well as their response to that outcome. For Example:

Ball position = 40 yards to the left of the "pin" in sand.

Scripted Programming: Use sand wedge at x angle with y velocity. Hit ball __ inches below the sand. Take hat off to crowd.

I believe that, in Tiger Wood's case, he could have been programmed using "virtual reality" golf courses on the PGA tour.

The profit motive should be pretty clear here. The Illuminati "handler" passes the huge "paydays" up to the Illuminati "investor". The athlete himself or herself, is given enough resources to maintain the appearance of tremendous wealth. In the end, these trappings of wealth are taken away and given to another.

In my opinion, Tiger Woods has reached the magical age where his programming is probably breaking down and cannot be repaired. Thus the Illuminati create a way for his exit that is both instructive and banal. The cheating husband makes people think that Americans are a nation of sex-crazed lunatics that get filthy rich and start cheating on their wives.

Not much of a role model.

We will then be propagandized by the Illuminati media to believe that such behavior is easily "forgivable". That Tiger's other amazing attributes (primarily his ability to play golf) have brought much happiness and joy into the hearts of mankind. The Illuminati late night comedians will further desensitize us with vulgar skits that tell us how much of a "stud" Tiger really is.

Then its on to the next Illuminati controlled Sporting event folks!

I'll bet money we get to see a cross-gendered something or other that has a thing for golf shoes and small animals.

I am sure it will be something that makes Tiger Woods appear even more normal.

written by: Paul Drockton, deadmanmusings

cascades

15-12-2009, 08:48 AM

I only began to awaken to the reality of world in March of 2009 (another week will be my 9 month anniversary) - AA members, I think, use the term 'sobriety'. Well, I consider this awakened state to be just that: Sobriety.

Living on the West Coast I had heard of course, of Bohemian Grove, but did not think that much of it. Once I began reading though, I understanding the symbolic nature of the Owl (and seeing it perched on our friendly Federal Reserve's $1 bill) I began to view the entire meeting as satanic.

I assumed, though, that the 'Grovers' were made up entirely of 'Captains of Industry' and 'politicians' and old-time monied family members. I did not expect to find 'hippies' at B Grove. So imagine my surprise when I came across not only Steve Miller (from Seattle, BTW), but members of the Grateful Dead! Yes, Mickey Hart and Bob Weir have attended (and for all I know, have attended now for decades). (The Dead and Miller have both been mentioned in earlier posts). My guess is they were introduced by Bill Graham, though maybe it was the other way around. Either way, this was the simple evidence I needed to recognize that the tentacles of the
NWO/Illuminati types are long and varied. Anyone who can influence society and youngsters especially should be looked at with a jaundiced eye.

Link: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2091

The Grateful Dead Play At Bohemian Grove!

Jerry GarCIA – Indymedia July 24, 2004

The summer retreat that Herbert Hoover called "the greatest men´s party on Earth" is under way in Monte Rio, and the guest list is as eclectic as ever.

Secretary of State Colin Powell, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the CEO of Bechtel Corp., former Grateful Dead bandmates and vintner Robert Mondavi are all scheduled to attend the Midsummer Encampment of the Bohemian Club of San Francisco.

So, too, is conservative author William F. Buckley Jr., liberal TV personality Chris Matthews and gay porn star Chad Savage.

Actually, Savage is working the event as a valet, according to the New York Post, which quoted another, unidentified employee despite confidentiality agreements that employees sign when they are hired.

The point is, Bohemians and the cast of hundreds who help put on this summer camp for grown men really are an "unconventional" lot, as the word is technically defined by Webster´s.

The 125th gathering of "Bohos" is no exception, according to an official guest list distributed to club members. More than 2,500 men are scheduled to go to the club´s 2,800-acre redwood grove just east of Monte Rio. This is the busiest weekend of the 17-day event, which means everybody who´s anybody should be there.

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, a perennial camper, arrived Thursday by private plane at the Charles M. Schulz-Sonoma County Airport. Fifty to 100 private jets have landed at the airport daily in the past two weeks, about average for this time of year, said Walt Smith, regional coordinator for the Federal Aviation Administration.

But as of Friday, the Secret Service hadn´t alerted airport officials to any special arrivals, despite the fact that Powell is on the guest list and scheduled to stay in Mandalay, the same camp as Kissinger and Riley Bechtel, the CEO of the engineering firm whose projects include the reconstruction of Iraq.

Mandalay is one of 119 separate camps that dot the floor and walls of the steep canyon and is so far up the fern-covered bank that it has an incline railway to haul firewood and supplies.

Mandalay is the traditional seat of power in Bohemian Grove. Its guest list this year includes George Schultz, a former secretary of state; David O´Reilly, chairman of ChevronTexaco; H.B. Atwater Jr., chief executive officer of General Mills; and Edgar Kaiser Jr., founder of the Kaiser Foundation.

In all, about 30 prominent businessmen and current and former government officials are scheduled to stay in Mandalay.

Rumsfeld and former President George Bush are members of the Hill Billies camp, although it´s unclear whether either is actually going.

Former President Gerald Ford, however, apparently won´t be in attendance, as his name does not appear on the guest list. Former President Ronald Reagan also appears on the list despite his June 5 death.

The associations of powerful men made possible by the Bohemian Club encampment have raised the ire of protesters, who charge that captains of industry and government officials discuss business in secret despite the grove´s official motto: "Weaving spiders come not here."

Of particular interest are the "Lakeside Talks," which this year include:

An untitled talk by David Gergen, commentator and former adviser to both Republican and Democratic presidents.

"The Landscape of American Politics," by David Brooks, a New York Times columnist.

"College Athletics: Serious Business or Toy Department?" by Ted Leland, Stanford University´s athletic director.

"Flight," by Chuck Yeager.

"The Long War of the 20th Century," by James Woolsey, a former CIA director.

"Bohemia," by author Herman Wouk.

"Exploring Mars and Searching for Life in the Universe," by Charles Elachi, director of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena.

"The Coming Virtual Soldier," by Roger McCarthy, principal and engineer of Exponent Inc.

Local notables scheduled to attend include Victor Trione, son of financier and philanthropist Henry Trione; winemakers Jim Bundschu, Daniel Duckhorn and Wente brothers Eric and Phil; and car dealer Henry Hansel.

Occidental resident Mickey Hart will join fellow Grateful Dead member Bob Weir. The musicians, along with rocker Steve Miller, are part of an effort to bring a younger vibe to the grove, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Not everyone who attends is rich and famous, however.

Peter Phillips, a professor at Sonoma State University who wrote his doctoral dissertation on the Grove, estimated one in five members actually fits that criterion, and the rest are either the ordinary rich or just plain ordinary.

"There´s associate members, maybe a high school teacher from Palo Alto, who plays tuba in the band," he said.
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/1699996.php

cascades

15-12-2009, 08:54 AM

Hundreds of Photos of Bohemian Grove and related items... Link: http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk59/sanderb2008/?start=0

hunkahunka

16-12-2009, 12:47 PM

hunkahunka

16-12-2009, 01:49 PM

I assumed, though, that the 'Grovers' were made up entirely of 'Captains of Industry' and 'politicians' and old-time monied family members. I did not expect to find 'hippies' at B Grove. So imagine my surprise when I came across not only Steve Miller (from Seattle, BTW), but members of the Grateful Dead! Yes, Mickey Hart and Bob Weir have attended (and for all I know, have attended now for decades). (The Dead and Miller have both been mentioned in earlier posts). My guess is they were introduced by Bill Graham, though maybe it was the other way around. Either way, this was the simple evidence I needed to recognize that the tentacles of the
NWO/Illuminati types are long and varied. Anyone who can influence society and youngsters especially should be looked at with a jaundiced eye.

yes, interesting that the Grateful Dead, who featured a six year old Courtney Love on one of their album covers, are also connected to Bohemian Grove, Ken Kesey, the whole Stanford-sponsored San Francisco hippy movement,
and even Eugene, Oregon, aka 'the Emerald City', which borders Salem , Oregon, home to the Kirkbride featured in the film 'One flew over the Cuckoos Nest', which was written by Ken Kesey.

there has been a special weekly Grateful Dead radio show emanating
from Eugene, Oregon for the past 21 years:

http://www.dead.net/forum/dead-air-klcc-89-7-fm-eugene-oregon
Dead Air - KLCC 89.7 FM - Eugene, Oregon
Downtown Deb has been hosting Dead Air in Eugene for 21 years, and non-locals can hear the show via Internet stream Saturday nights from 7-9 p.m. The show's Web page with all the details is at www.klcc.org.

Eugene, Oregon and Salem, Oregon, are not far from the Portland, Oregon
base of Gus Van Sant, who by coincidence once asked Courtney Love to appear as Cobain's wife in 'Last Days', and once offered Kurt Cobain a role in one of his films . (still trying to find out which film Van Sant wanted Cobain for back in 1994)

also found this interesting Rolling Stone magazine article on the alleged author of 'the Heart is Deceitful Above All things', Laura Albert (aka J.T. LeRoy).
Laura Albert suffers from multiple personality disorder (which means
that she suffers missing time, and can be made to think that she wrote
Gus Van Sant's books, imo):

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17335100/jt_leroy_the_famous_writer_who_wowed_bono_and_cour tney_love__but_didnt_exist

Depending on your point of view, Albert is a con, or an artist, or a con artist who created one of the greatest literary hoaxes of all time.
The imaginary author she passed off as real became a darling of the gay literary world, an icon in the hipster art scene, and the weird and brave inspiration for countless people who suffered child abuse. LeRoy wrote three books, including The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things, and scripted an early draft of a screenplay that later became Gus Van Sant's Elephant. LeRoy was profiled in The New York Times and Vanity Fair and was celebrated by noted authors like Michael Chabon and Dave Eggers. His orbit of famous friends and admirers was a who's who of dysfunctional celebrity: Courtney Love, Winona Ryder, Tatum O'Neal. Today, more than a year after Albert was outed as the woman behind LeRoy, she continues to defend the "reality" of her creation. LeRoy, she says, is not merely a voice in her head but a presence, an actual being trapped inside her body, an inner manifestation of the mental illness brought on by the abuse she suffered as a child. Dr. Owens, now aware of the real identity of the "boy" he spoke with over the course of thirteen years, has diagnosed Albert with a variety of personality disorders. "She shields herself with various other personas," he testified recently. "She is a very disturbed individual." Albert prefers a more literary explanation: Her disorder, she says, is a little-known variant of the illness suffered by the protagonist in the book Sybil. Instead of her own personality going to sleep while JT LeRoy or one of the hundreds of other voices takes over her body, Albert remains conscious that she is being inhabited by another being. Thus, she is both out of her mind and perfectly aware of what is going on at the same time.

"The thing is, I have the road map to crazy," says Albert. "You can say it's a fucking hoax. But a hoax you can't explain — there are going to be huge gaps. I can explain it. I have the road map to crazy."

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/ap/5b3331e8-c877-4d12-8003-07fbf82c5527.hmedium.jpg
Mickey Hart, left, and Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead

then the story on Laura Albert gets even more convoluted, when
it emerges that Albert's sister-in -law 'Savannah Knoop'
was originally purported to be the male author JT LeRoy, and
actually posed as an effeminate male for interviews and book signings.
She even seduced Asian Argento while posing as a man:

http://www.sevenstories.com/Resources/Titles/58322100900060/Images/58322100900060M.gif
Description

The JT LeRoy scandal is a story of our times. In January 2006, the New York Times unmasked Savannah Knoop as the face of the mysterious author JT LeRoy. A media frenzy ensued as JT’s fans, mentors, and readers came to terms with the fact that the gay-male-ex-truck-stop-prostitute-turned literary-wunderkind was really a girl from San Francisco, whose sister-in-law wrote the books.

Girl Boy Girl is the story of how Savannah Knoop led this bizarre double life for six years, trading a precarious existence as a college dropout for a life in which she was embraced by celebrities and artists—Carrie Fisher, Courtney Love, Mary Ellen Mark, Winona Ryder, Asia Argento, Sharon Olds, Gus Van Sant, Mike Pitt, Calvin Klein, and Shirley Manson, to name a few—and traveled the world. Telling her side of the story for the first time, Savannah reveals how being perceived as a boy gave her a sense of confidence and entitlement she never had before. Her love affair with Asia Argento is particularly wrenching, as they embark on an intimate relationship that causes more alienation than closeness.

As Savannah and Laura struggle over control of the JT character, Savannah realizes the limits of the game, and is relieved when it’s over. Inadvertently, she finds herself through the adventure of being someone else.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/08/23/arts/leroy.celeb.jpg
From left: Courtney Love, Geoffrey Knoop, “JT LeRoy” and Laura Albert.

As it turned out, Albert and Knoop were the only ones who contributed two tracks to Cyborgasm 2. (It featured 10 other artists.) Daddy Don't Go recorded a song called "Down" with the producer from Los Angeles mope rockers Mazzy Star. Knoop and Albert also contributed a spoken-word piece called "Vicious Panties."

Recorded at San Francisco's legendary Hyde Street studios (Grateful Dead, Creedence Clearwater Revival), "Vicious Panties" was a completely improvised scene done in one take. Basically, a closeted, cross-dressing guy gets caught by his girlfriend putting on her stockings, and she decides to turn him into a little-girl slut and humiliate him. With vicious panty-related consequences, of course. It was hot, the role-playing seemed very realistic, and the Cyborgasm staff loved how it turned out.

hunkahunka

17-12-2009, 01:41 PM

Courtney Love's alleged father, Hank Harrison, was manager of the Grateful Dead, and check out his Stanford University background , with a masters
degree in psychology:

Hank Harrison
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Harrison
Education

* Graduated Bachelor, San Francisco State University (1965).
* Post Graduate studies, Stanford University (Stanford Publications Course).
* Post Graduate research, Frances Yates Scholar, Warburg Institute, University of London.
* Psychology Masters Degree, University of Amsterdam (1974).

Harrison was no hippy drug addict pothead burnout.
I could venture a guess that Harrison was a CIA operative
in charge of the GRateful Dead, a band which was originally
called Warlocks Rock Group.

Warlock

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlock

Warlocks are, among historic Christian traditions, said to be the male equivalent of witches. Likewise, in traditional Scottish witchcraft warlock was and is simply the term used for a wizard, or male witch.[1] A synonym is sorcerer.[2

Hank Harrison was the roommate of Phil Lesh, founder of the Warlocks Rock Group (Grateful Dead) for many years on several occasions from 1960 to 1974.

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/cupidshut_2082_10151892

The Grateful Dead mixed in Wizard of Oz movie soundtrack songs
during one of their shows in Detroit, Michigan , in 1992,

hunkahunka

17-12-2009, 07:12 PM

check out this 'acid test' gig poster from 1965, for a concert/beatnik reading at
Muir Beach, just north of San Francisco, featuring homosexual Burroughs associate Allen Ginsberg, The Merry Pranksters (led by Ken Kesey),
Ginsberg's male lover and Prankster/poet Neal Cassady, and the Grateful Dead.

http://www.goodbear.com/concert_art/12_65.jpg

Gus Van Sant wants Woody Harrelson and Jack Black to star in the Electric Koolaid Acid Test

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb52/The_Playlist/more/electric-acid-woody-jackblack.jpg
Gus Van Sant's upcoming adaptation of Tom Wolfe's literary cult-hit "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test," which pioneered new journalism, told the story of Ken Kesey, his drug-induced tour with his band of Merry Pranksters and helped usher"The Grateful Dead" into the mainstream, could possibly star two drug-guzzling stars themselves, Woody Harrelson and Jack Black.

According to Rolling Stone, "Van Sant originally pictured the late Heath Ledger for the Kesey role, but now has two marquee names in mind: Woody Harrelson and Jack Black, which might make the film more of comedy than a zany drug jag." Apparently the former wife of Jerry Garcia, Caroline Garcia believes Harrelson would be a perfect fit for Kesey, due to a visit the actor paid to Kesey right before he died, "They went out into the field and had a pretty good mind meld," Garcia said, "I just know he could play the role."

The project, which has struggled through a series of false starts, is finally getting underway and has a script penned by his "Milk," screenwriter Dustin Lance Black and has already signed "Milk," director of photography Harris Savides.

hunkahunka

18-12-2009, 01:00 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6dPeloogepw/R8X_WjMJ1hI/AAAAAAAAACk/ScshfyXOA5I/s320/graddiplo.jpg
acid test diploma given to people who attended LSD events known as 'acid tests' and experimented with LSD

http://www.turnmeondeadman.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59&Itemid=72
Oz and Drugs

The Wizard of Oz

Is The Wizard of Oz a drug movie? Joe Baltake of the Sacramento Bee referred to The Wizard of Oz as "the definitive head film" for the counterculture in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Hippies interpreted Dorothy's adventure as an acid trip and would get high while watching the movie. [1]Late in his life, counterculture icon Ken Kesey wrote a satirical performance art piece called "Twister" based on The Wizard of Oz.

http://www.key-z.com/TwisterDVDweb.jpg

One feature of the film that draws this sort of analysis is that the story does make a direct drug reference. When the Wicked Witch of the West wants to stop Dorothy and her companions, she puts a field of poppies in their path so that they will all be put to sleep.

The Wonderful Wizard of Oz Website strongly refutes this notion. "You're kidding, right?" is the response to the FAQ about drug references in The Wizard of Oz. Baum himself was not a drug user, and while the effects of opium were well known at the turn of the twentieth century, they were not as stigmatized as they are now. Still, The Wizard of Oz does possess a trippy quality and Jim DeRogatis fittingly lists The Wizard of Oz on the list of "The Psychedelic Influence of Popular Culture" in his book Kaleidoscope Eyes. [2]

The website Planet Groovy offers a hilarious take on the imagery of the film called "The Wizard of Oz Is All About Drugs." Dorothy's never done drugs, but she's given a lollipop by the Munchkins, just as pushers often give drug users a free sample. The Scarecrow has been told that his brain has been fried by drug use. That he demonstrates more intellectual capacity than any other character in the story, however, reveals how damaging society's scare tactics against drug use are. The Tin Man is a heroin addict who needs a fix from a syringe-like oil can to be able to function. The Cowardly Lion is afraid that others will find out about his drug use, so he's "lyin'" about it. The yellow brick road symbolizes the money that can be made from drugs and the Wizard of Oz is the guru of the drug world, and oz, of course, is the abbreviation for ounces, often used as a unit of measure for drugs. Planet Groovy offers more detail, but I'll let you discover that on your own. Perhaps the observations don't always make sense, but this interpretation is highly entertaining. [3]David B. Parker said that once Littlefield's published his parable on Populism article, "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz was no longer an innocent fairy tale." [4]How far we have come.

http://www.intrepidtrips.com/twister/preemeer_images/preemeer8.jpg
Ken Kesey - The Head Wiz
http://www.intrepidtrips.com/twister/preemeer_images/preemeer10.jpg
Ken Kesey played a Wizard in his own play 'Twister' (wizard can also mean warlock in occult circles)

Kesey was a close associate of 'The Grateful Dead' who were originally called
The Warlocks.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_h_GtjGyF5cA/SnJUdirMOGI/AAAAAAAACRs/yWjf4i1laAk/s400/warlock.JPGqq.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm172/guitarinar/tier10warlock.jpg
depiction of warlocks in tier 10 video game (world of warcraft?)

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4548/wowtier10.jpg

supertzar

18-12-2009, 03:33 PM

When El Duce said he knew who whacked Kurt he sure seemed to me like he was telling the truth. "Alan" or "Allen" is the name he "let slip" in Kurt and Courtney. He died a week later from getting hit by a train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ugWA6EAYSU

supertzar

18-12-2009, 03:51 PM

Allen Wrench. http://www.members.tripod.com/~Vblah/allenwrench.html

I have friends that know allen wrench was hired by courtney love to kill kurt cobain. allen wrench was even named by el duce / mentors as the killer

The true story of
the Kurt Cobain
murder, and the
Courtney Love,
El Duce,
Allen Wrench
connection
El Duce - connected Courtney Love with the assasin

Towards the end of his life El Duce ... lead singer of the punk rock group THE MENTORS,was a RIVERSIDE local. He would often be seen at local shows, bars, and various places. He was a person you could always just walk up and talk to. El Duce was definitly a 'punk rock star' of the people. The person Duce was always with was another punk rock pesonality in his own right ... ALLEN WRENCH. Allen Wrench was known for other reasons. His musical background was from an old band that rocked ... ROAD WHORE (which had some members of WHITE FLAG and CHRISTIAN DEATH). Mr. Wrench was also known for random violence. Like El Duce, Wrench himself was always drunk. And when provoked, or challenged, reacted with instant violence. He was not a nice guy.
I met El Duce at a local Riverside bar called the 6060 club in 1998. It's not open anymore. I had seen Duce around for many years, and had been a fan of his band. I bought him a few drinks, and he told me was leaving the next day to tour with his band. A month later I saw him there again. He was drinking and seemed totally drunk. Everyone knew about his involvement with the whole KURT COBAIN / COURTNEY LOVE thing, and he was about to tell me something he hadn't told anyone before.

Courtney Love
the wife on easy street

Allen Wrench
judo, ju jitsu, hit man for hire

Kurt Cobain
the unsuspecting husband
Everyone knows about how Courtney Love offered El Duce $50,000. to kill her husband Kurt Cobain. But that wasn't the whole story. The truth of the matter is ... El Duce didn't have the stomach to kill someone. But he knew someone that did. That's when Allen Wrench comes into the picture. The Mentors were going on tour, so that gave Duce a good excuse to back out of the deal. So what he did was put Courtney love in contact with Mr. Wrench. Allen Wrench has never admitted to El Duce or anyone else about killing Cobain, but Duce was 100% sure that that's what happened.

Allen Wrench before, was always poor. He was a drunk guy who was always broke. Then, all of a sudden I heard that he bought a house, a new truck, and a 70's Corvette. He had a lot of money too fast. I think he got the money from Courtney Love for killing Kurt Cobain.
Wrench is also a gun nut. I know people that have hung out with him, and they told me he carries a .44 magnum hand gun where ever he goes. I've even seen a fight he was in at a Riveride bar called Limuricks. Wrench got in a fight with a guy that was about 6'4" tall. The guy tried to punch Wrench but missed. Then Wrench did some kind of judo throw and while they were rolling around on the ground Wrench started choking the guy, and the guy went unconscious. We all thought the guy was dead. Wrench left and then the guy woke up. He didn't even know where he was at.
Two nights before he died I saw Duce at a bar ... He was really depressed, scared and paniced. Duce had told me about an interview he had just done with the BBC about the Kurt Cobain murder. Like always duce was drunk during the interview. He slipped and mentioned that he knew who the real killer was. And then he named Allen Wrench. I know a guy who was watching the interview as it was being filmed, That person told Wrench that Duce had named him as Cobain's killer. The next thing I know ... El Duce is dead, and he was with Allen wrench up until the last minutes of his life. I recently talked to a guy who was living with Duce at the time. He told me, the night Duce had died, Allen Wrench had come over to their house all pissed off and looking for Duce. He said as soon as he saw Duce, he drug him outside and wrench began yelling and pushing Duce. And then they left. The next thing the guy heard was that Duce was dead, hit by a train 10 minutes after he had left the house with Wrench.
From all the information I've gotten from people I know, I am totally convinced Allen Wrench killed Kurt Cobain for Courtney Love. He got a lot of money for doing it. And after Duce exposed Wrench as Cobain's killer, Wrench also killed Duce. Please understand why I don't mention my name, but I had to get this off my chest.

wyndham

18-12-2009, 04:41 PM

yes, interesting that the Grateful Dead, who featured a six year old Courtney Love on one of their album covers, are also connected to Bohemian Grove, Ken Kesey, the whole Stanford-sponsored San Francisco hippy movement,
and even Eugene, Oregon, aka 'the Emerald City', which borders Salem , Oregon, home to the Kirkbride featured in the film 'One flew over the Cuckoos Nest', which was written by Ken Kesey.

there has been a special weekly Grateful Dead radio show emanating
from Eugene, Oregon for the past 21 years:

Eugene, Oregon and Salem, Oregon, are not far from the Portland, Oregon
base of Gus Van Sant, who by coincidence once asked Courtney Love to appear as Cobain's wife in 'Last Days', and once offered Kurt Cobain a role in one of his films . (still trying to find out which film Van Sant wanted Cobain for back in 1994)

also found this interesting Rolling Stone magazine article on the alleged author of 'the Heart is Deceitful Above All things', Laura Albert (aka J.T. LeRoy).
Laura Albert suffers from multiple personality disorder (which means
that she suffers missing time, and can be made to think that she wrote
Gus Van Sant's books, imo):

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Mickey Hart, left, and Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead

then the story on Laura Albert gets even more convoluted, when
it emerges that Albert's sister-in -law 'Savannah Knoop'
was originally purported to be the male author JT LeRoy, and
actually posed as an effeminate male for interviews and book signings.
She even seduced Asian Argento while posing as a man:

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From left: Courtney Love, Geoffrey Knoop, “JT LeRoy” and Laura Albert.

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An underground literary legend associated with Ken Kesey, William Burroughs, and Allen Ginsberg, Curtis has been called Portland, Oregon's, unofficial street poet. "Mala Noche" first appeared in 1977 as a chapbook and was later made into an award-winning film by Gus Van Sant. It is a vividly homoerotic account of Curtis's passionate and mostly unrequited love for several Mexican street youths who come to Oregon seeking jobs and money.

wyndham

18-12-2009, 04:47 PM

supertzar

18-12-2009, 06:23 PM

Don't let this be buried.

On March 6th 1996, El Duce underwent and passed a lie detector test administered by Dr. E. Gelb a leading polygraph examiner. He administered a polygraph test to O.J. Simpson two days after the murder of his wife and said that O.J. failed the test quite badly. According to Dr. Gelb, El Duce's story is completely truthful.

To the question "Did Courtney Love ask you to kill Kurt Cobain?" Duce's positive response showed a 99.91% certainty that he was telling the truth, which falls into the category "beyond possibility of deception". Duce also score the same when the question was repeated. When asked the question "Were you offered $50,000 by Courtney Love to kill Kurt Cobain?" Duce scored a slightly less impressive 99.84% score.

hunkahunka

19-12-2009, 02:48 AM

audio:

interesting interview of author William H. Kennedy touching
on the satanic and occult origins of Hollywood, its link to
bisexual Bohemian Grove rail and shipping tycoons etc:

http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net:8080/121509a.mp3

hunkahunka

19-12-2009, 12:10 PM

Don't let this be buried.

it seems like some of this stuff is starting to stick:

Courtney Love's daughter gets restraining order

Courtney Love's daughter has been granted a restraining order against the singer.

Frances Bean Cobain – whose father is late Nirvana rocker Kurt Cobain – has taken legal action against her mother just a week after guardianship of her was handed over to Kurt's mother, Wendy O'Connor and sister Kimberly Dawn Cobain, at the teenager's request.

A judge has issued a temporary restraining order forbidding Courtney to have contact with Frances, with another hearing is set for January 5 to consider making it permanent.

After guardianship of her daughter was taken from her last week, for undisclosed reasons, Courtney posted a rant on website Facebook branding her only child "deceptive and deluded".

She wrote: "I hate to sound cold but any kid of mine who pulls this s**t has lost her position ... she was deceptive, she lied and she's lying to herself."

Frances is in her grandmother's care, but she still relies on mother Courtney Love , for money – which Courtney has also threatened to withhold from her.

Courtney added: "Frances is clearly deluded that can buy her grandmother a small house in LA (sic). I'd love to see how that works. She thinks she has all this money. The point is I have all the money she has."

Kurt's brother, Charles Fradenburg, said Wendy has been trying to get custody of 17-year-old Frances for a long time.

He said: "Courtney is not fit to take care of Frances, she can barely take care of herself. Courtney wasn't doing any parenting at all, she was hiring nannies to do all of the work. This is a wonderful thing for the family."

http://www.montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Britney+Spears+thinks+Courtney+Love+crazy/2315840/story.html

Britney Spears thinks Courtney Love is crazy

Star News ServicesDecember 8, 2009
It takes a special brand of insanity for the Spears family to call anything ridiculous, but then, Courtney Love has always defied expectations.

Love made headlines recently when she posted a barely coherent rant on her Facebook page, in which she claimed that Jamie Spears sexually abused his pop-star daughter.

"Britneys dad molested her, imagine the father that molested you owning you for slavery while your forced to sing songs picked for their sexual content every night, insane right?" wrote Love (with spelling errors intact).

But the Spears camp dismissed Love's accusations and managed to sneak in a nice dig at the tempestuous rocker.

"We're not commenting on Courtney Love," said Spears spokeswoman Louise Taylor, "or any aliens who might come to Earth to impregnate people."

hunkahunka

19-12-2009, 01:24 PM

hunkahunka

19-12-2009, 09:01 PM

http://onlinefilmhome.dk/images/elephant.jpg

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re: the alleged author of the screenplay for the Gus Van Sant film 'Elephant' and the alleged author of the novel 'The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things' , San Francisco-based Laura Albert.

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Laura Albert (right) published three books under the name JT LeRoy and employed others (such as the woman to the left) to adopt the invented persona of LeRoy, a male teen prodigy/prostitute/AIDS afflictee.

The Wikipedia entry for fictional/alias author J.T. Leroy (aka Laura Albert, aka Gus Van Sant) contains an interesting bit about the multiple-personalitied Laura Albert, revealing that she has been a regular patient of adolescent therapist Dr. Terrence Owens for many years, presumably since she was an adolescent, or even earlier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JT_LeRoy

The role of Dr. Terrence Owens

Dr. Terrence Owens, a therapist at the McAuley Adolescent Unit of St. Mary's Medical Center in San Francisco, was credited by LeRoy for motivating him to write. LeRoy claimed Owens encouraged writing between sessions to maintain continuity of thought, saying that LeRoy's accounts would help to train a class of prospective social workers. Those writings eventually made their way into the collection of short stories in 1998.

Owens has refused to confirm his involvement with any of the real or fictitious characters in the case, citing ethical considerations. But in an article in the New York Times, he said that he did not know Savannah Knoop. Not until Laura Albert's interview in The Paris Review did she reveal that in fact she herself has been a regular patient of Owens's for many years.

cascades

20-12-2009, 03:15 AM

Here is the best article I have read on the JT LeRoy story. It is long, so I'll only post a link for those who may be interested.
Link to LA Weekly Article: http://www.laweekly.com/2008-02-21/art-books/no-exit-plan

cascades

20-12-2009, 03:33 AM

And from the same author as the story on the connection between Tiger Woods and MK Ultra programming comes a piece on Bo Gritz (the appointed 'leader' of the Patriot movement in the US, and his connections to Delta Force and MK Ultra programming.
There is a problem at this moment with the author's website, but I'll include a link anyway, in addition to a copy of the article.

Link: http://deadmanmusings.blogspot.com/2009/12/bo-gritz-delta-force-and-mk-ultra.html

Bo Gritz, Delta Force and MK-Ultra
by Paul A Drockton M.A. » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:58 am

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 15, 2009

Bo Gritz, Delta Force and MK-Ultra

The pursuit of the the perfect soldier has been the objective of every government since time began. The attributes of such a man-machine, to be used by the global elite would include the following:

1. Ability to focus on military objectives without distraction

2. Obedience to orders without thought or hesitation.

3. Incredible physical attributes that will allow the individual to fight and survive in the most extreme combat conditions or other environment.

The NAZIS pursued this goal using Illuminati "Mind-Programming". Through "Operation Paperclip", their knowledge, skills and scientists were brought into the United States (Source)

The MK-Ultra program was the result. (Source)

As I have previously stated, "mind-programming" has always been a military intelligence operation with military applications. Particularly in the "Special Forces" and "Covert Ops". Nowhere was this more evident than in the "Delta Force", which used Illuminati "Delta brain wave programming" to create the perfect soldier.

Not surprisingly, this programming begins in early childhood:

"All of this said, what is brain wave programming? Simply put, brain wave programming involves having a young child go into a deep trance state, where they then learn to dissociate into a certain brain wave pattern. This is a complex skill, and not all children can achieve this. The goal is for the child to reach, for example, a consistent delta state, where delta brain waves show up on the EEG, which is attached to the child's head by electrodes in the scalp. Usually, two or even three trainers will work on one child during the initial stages. One will "prep" the child, using a hypnotic drug to induce a trance state. They will have also placed the electrodes on the head, using an abbreviated version of the method used in traditional hospital setting. If delta state is being induced, only the electrodes needed to pick up delta waves will be placed, for example. This is to save time." (Source)

Why would a family subject its own children to this type of abuse? I believe it has more to do with the profit motive (contract mercenaries are very profitable) and achieving higher recognition within the Cult.

"The prepped child will be on a "trainer's table", and will be quite relaxed. The average child is about eight years old when this is begun, since the cerebral cortex and neurological development are not advanced enough at earlier ages (It has been tried at earlier ages, quite unsuccessfully, in the past; this practice was dropped because of the neurological damage and "failure to take rate" that trainers were seeing). The non prepping trainer will then let the child know exactly what he/she expects: that they will achieve a special state, called "delta state". The trainer tells the child, while they are in trance state, that they will know when they reach it, by the readings from the electrodes."...

When the prepping or technical trainer sees delta waveforms, he or she will signal the verbal trainer with a hand motion. The verbal, or teaching trainer will immediately reward the child, saying, "good, you are in delta now." The trainer will caress the child, tell it what a good job it is doing. If the child bounces out of delta state, the verbal trainer will immediately become harsh, and will shock the child as punishment. The child is told that it left delta (which is "good") and needs to go back in."....

The trainers will now have a template that stays always in delta state, that they can begin splitting and using as the basis of forming a new system inside. They will do this using the tools of drugs, hypnosis and trauma. The new system created will record delta waves on an EEG if done correctly. The new system will be taught what delta means. The trainers will often flash a cue, or delta (triangle) symbol on a projector overhead, and "grind in" the delta imprinting. They will wear robes with delta signs on them, and cloth the subject in clothing or robes imprinted with the delta sign. They will teach the alters under hypnosis what deltas do, how they act. They will reward them when they comply, and shock or otherwise traumatize them if they do not act like "deltas". They will be given delta jobs. They will watch high frequency films, that show delta functions. They may build in a computer like structure to hold the system, showing pictures of its organization while the subject is under deep trance, after creating a clean slate through trauma.

This early programming is in harmony with the Illuminati adherence to the principals espoused in Plato's Republic, where the "Philosopher Kings" decide a child's vocation at birth or shortly thereafter, based on lineage, physical attributes and mental complexity.

"Plato's Republic" is ruled by the Philosopher Kings; the Military Ruling Class and the Merchant Class, and this is the Illuminati hierarchy as well. So, Delta programming is the primary programming for the Military Ruling Class.

" Often, delta state may be configured inside as a computer, and the delta alters will have emotionless, flat alters with photographic memories. They may hold most of the cognitive memories for the other systems, especially if extensive amnesia programming has been done. Delta state may have up to three levels of training: delta 1, delta 2, and delta 3 which will also correlate to security access allowed within the cult; i.e. access to highly confidential information. Behavioral sciences programming may be held by this system. Internal programmers, self destruct, psychotic, and shatter programming as well as other punishment programming sequences to prevent outside access or internal access to the systems may be held within delta systems. It may be color coded both orange/blue/purple, and will also often be the entry way to higher systems such as jewels or internal councils, inside."

Alter personalities are created for specific tasks within the Illuminati system. Photographic memories are created through "trauma and disassociation". These "Alters" are then programmed as intelligence assets (spies); assassins; military strategists; combat soldiers; martial arts experts; weapons experts etc. For example:

"One man who is being looked up to by many American Patriots and Christian Patriots as the leader to help them oppose the New World Order is Bo Gritz. He was a recent presidential candidate. Bo Gritz was a Green Beret and a Delta Force commander. Bo Gritz is very proud of the fact that he wrote the manual for the Delta Forces. He also worked for the CIA. Bo Gritz is one of the military’s best programmed multiples, and perhaps one of the most dangerous. Insiders have told me he IS the most dangerous. Numerous insiders both for and against Bo, have talked about Bo Gritz, and that he is a programmed multiple." (source)

Through Bo Gritz, the Illuminati have redefined, discredited and subverted the Patriot movement in the United States:

"According to Bo Gritz’s campaign literature for President he was a commander in Delta Forces. Reproduced on a previous page is Bo’s own presidential campaign literature where he states that he is “Intelligence Officer & Reconnaissance Chief, Delta Force.” He is also “Chief, Special Activities, U.S. Army General Staff, the Pentagon” and “Principle Agent, National Security Council, Intelligence Support Activity”. Under qualifications Bo states that he is a “Security & Counter-terrorist Specialist.” Within the government, they are already referring to Christians who are against the NWO as terrorists. Bo is their greatest counter-intelligence counter-terrorist they have. He came in like a storm and took control of the Patriot movement, and it has been like pulling teeth to warn patriots about who he is." (source)...

Bo Gritz himself was a Green Beret, and was used to assassinate 300 people. His blood lust caused him at one point during the Vietnam War to shoot 30 prisoners in cold blood. (ibid)

In my next article I will focus on the Illuminati's orchestrated destruction of the Patriot movement in the United States through their appointed leader, Bo Gritz.

Paul A Drockton M.A.

hunkahunka

21-12-2009, 01:04 PM

quote:

http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/freemasonryandsatanism.htm

Satanism and the Born Agains

Everyone probably knows someone who is a "Freemason", but how many of us know what is involved in Freemasonry , it's beliefs , aims , purpose and history? The establishment and the press , in the past , have endeavoured to portray the Freemasons as examples of upstanding citizens and respectable members of society.

It is only in recent years , possibly with the advent of the internet , that light is being shown into the darker and sinister aspects of the workings of Freemasonry. Many books have been written on the Freemasons and several excellent web sites have appeared exposing all of their hitherto unknown secrets. One of these sites is "FreemasonWatch" and I would recommend everyone to visit this highly enlightening site:

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/ritualgrave.jpg

Figure above. The Freemason initiation ceremony of being " re-born " or "Born Again". The novice is required to physically lie down inside the coffin and arise whereupon they are born again into a higher level within the society of Freemasons , a higher level of spiritual awareness and of exclusive esoteric knowledge..

The freemasons use of the wording "re-born" "Born Again" or "Born Anew", should be closely scrutinised. I believe there is a definite connection with the Fundamentalist, Charismatic Christian's use of the same words to describe their followers! The use of the terminology "Born Again" , could have a different or even an inverted meaning !

We are all told that Jimmy Carter in 1976 was the first person to coin the phrase "Born Again" to describe his type of Southern Baptist Christian belief. The Freemasons have been using the description, "Born Again" in their ceremonies for centuries. However, the use of the description "Born Again" in the Freemasons initiation ceremonies has a sinister and a satanic meaning. Reference: The 33 degree level in Freemasonry.

Another interesting analogy is Hitler and his "spiritual" awakening within of the Thule Society.

The Thule Society is the German Brotherhood of Death secret society and it has as it's symbol , the skull and crossbones. This was also the Nazi SS symbol and the Freemasons use the skull and crossbones in their ceremonies. The extremely secretive USA society , Skull and Bones is believed to be the American branch of the original German Thule Society !

The leader of the Thule Society in the 1930s was Dietrich Eckhart .He was Hitler's mentor who nurtured and led him into the world of the supernatural . In the Thule group in Munich , Eckhart, Alfred Rosenberg and Hitler held seances and communicated with demons. Eckhart believed that a dark spirit had informed him that he was the guardian of the coming "great one" , the "Antichrist". Eckhart said on his deathbed ; " Follow Hitler ; he will dance, but it is I who have called the tune. I have initiated him into the secret doctrine, opened his centres in vision and given him the means to communicate with the powers."

When Eckhart had completed his "training" of Hitler ; Hitler described his spiritual experiences as a transformation and believed his had been "Born Anew", "Born Again"!

I have been involved since 1994 in a campaign to expose a Satanic cult which has members in hundreds of countries across the world. I have discovered over these 7 years that this cult can be traced back to the USA where it was spawned in the 1970s . In the early 1970s, the CIA were involved in mind control research on human guinea pigs , this research program was called MK-ULTRA. Congress directed the CIA in 1973 to cease it's program but instead the CIA carried on it's mind control program , using "religious Cults" as fronts and covers for their research and practice.

The CIA recruited Jim Jones ( his father was a Ku Klux Klan member ) , the head of the Indianapolis Church, The Peoples Temple Gospel Church. The CIA involvement with Jim Jones culminated in the so-called "suicides" in Guyana in 1978 of 911 members of The People Temple !

Contrary to the CIA and their pawns in the US media , many many writers and researchers believe that this was a CIA mind control experiment which involved the murders of 911 Peoples Temple members, the majority of whom were black Americans. After the Peoples Temple demise the CIA and US military continued their involvement with "religious" cults as fronts for mind control research . The Children of God would be another cult whose leader David Berg had friends in high places within the US administration who protected the cult from the many allegations of child abuse and devilworship.

There is another , much more powerful religious cult which is now being used to put into practise the plans of the CIA and US e'elitists . We are past the point of initial mind control research ; we are now at the stage where the CIA and the Nazi e'elitists have begun their campaign to make their New World Order a reality! They have been sending their "Christian Missionaries" to many countries across the world since the 1970s . Their New World Order will be of the occult and everyone will worship an evil deity ; a GODDESS with many names , ISIS, Semeramis, Diana etc.

The Cult which the NSC (National Security Council, a group reported to be superior to the CIA) and CIA/ US e'elitists are using is the evangelical Charismatic "Born Again" Christians, The International Church of Christ. To say that the CIA are controlling all "Born Again Christian " groups might be going too far ! However, the Pat Robertson group , Rev Phil Dernstein, Larry Lea , Cubie Ward and Oral Roberts definitely were deeply involved in the criminal activities of US/CIA operations in Central America in the 1970s and 1980s . Many thousands of innocent men, women and children were murdered by the "Born Again" CIA trained anti-communist Contra murder squads. Notable "Born Again" deceiver Christians in this devilish episode were ; "Born Again Catholic" Oliver North, and the head of the CIA at that time , Bill Casey, "Born Again Catholic"

The "Born Again" CIA deceiver Christians involvement in the dirty war in Central America/Nicaragua should have been an eye-opener to the whole world .The CIA controlled US press and media have literally pulled the wool over the eyes of millions of people across the world when we should have been looking closer and asking why so-called Christians had their fingers on the triggers which were responsible for the murders of thousands of people in Central America.

Since the late 1970s the US/CIA deceiver Charismatic Christians spread their evil tentacles across the world to many countries and attracting into their ranks many people who were involved in killings and mass murders!

A definite pattern has emerged regarding the International Charismatic "Born Again" Christians! The Born Agains seem to attract the worst type of persons to their ranks , the morally corrupt , the spiritually unclean . Many Satanic and multiple killers have, since their capture , proclaimed themselves "Born Again Christians".

One has to ask; why have all of these killers chosen the "Born Agains" Christians sect in preference to all the other religious denominations?

There is a definite pattern here! This could be more than a coincidence !

Let us examine some examples: ....... killers who call themselves "Born Again" , cults and sex abuser statistics

*Sean Sellers/ Satanist...executed /murdered his parents , called himself a "Born Again" Christian

* Karla Faye Tucker/ executed pick-axe killer/ former prostitute , called herself a "Born Again " Christian

* Henry Lee Lucas , multiple murderer /vagrant /"Born Again " christian claimed he was a hitman for a Satanic cult Henry Lee Lucas

*David Berkowitz/"Son of Sam"/former Jew... satanic connections to his murders... calls himself a "Born Again" Christian

BBC - Crime Fighters Solved - David Berkowitz

* Jeffrey Dahmer . murdered 15 people. son of "Born Again" Christian father , Church of Christ, re-baptised in prison

Ref: .Jeffrey Dahmer: Born Again Fundamentalist Christian

* Mark Chapman.. John Lennon's murderer.. calls himself a "Born Again" Christian

* Charles Tex Watson, henchman of Charles Manson/Satanic murderer, calls himself a "Born again Christian"

* Ted Bundy /executed multiple Killer/Born Again Christian

* Velma Barfield/executed killer/Born Again Christian

* The Shankill Butchers/Ireland . multiple murderers / suspected Satanic connections, many former members call themselves "Born Again Christians"

* JonBennet Ramsay...died on Dec 25th 1996 . parents are "Born Again Christians"

* Susan Smith / USA..murdered her two children , her father was a "Born Again Christian" who sexually molested her. he was never brought to court

* "Duch",mass murderer , Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge executioner, commander of Tuol Sleng detention centre , Cambodia ,calls himself a "Born Again Christian"

* Medellin, Columbia , Evangelical Fundamentalist "Born Again Christians" attract many killers active in the drug trade

* Ugandan cult, involved in the witchcraft murders of more than 300 people was controlled by "Born Again Christians" , Jim Clair head of US "Born Again" missionaries in Uganda claims allegations are false!

* Ray Wyre, head of the UK young sexual offenders clinic at Gracewell , Birmingham, England , in an interview with "Men and Crime" , issue 13-summer 1992, gives witness : " I've worked with more Born-again Christian abusers than any others. A lot of our child killers are evangelical born-again abusers"

* Ireland: a close relation of one missing boy is a "Born Again Christian" , went missing just before Hallowe'en 1986. The statistics relating to missing persons in Ireland and their immediate connections with the "Born Again Christians "cult are being suppressed by those in authority!

* Kincora Boys Home Scandal , Northern Ireland 1970s/80s, William McGrath , head of staff at Kincora convicted of sexually abusing the children under his care at the home, was a "Born Again Christian"

* Many Irish Republican and British Loyalist paramilitaries , UVF,IRA and LVF involved in the war in Ulster are Born Again Christians !

* Lindsay Brown - Bangor Grammar school teacher/convicted paedophile - Born Again Christian

* The Latest Born Again devil inspired child killer to come to light as a "reformed" Christian was Born Again Christian Myra Hindley! Added 25-4-04.

Myra Hindley and Ian Brady - They took pleasure in torturing children while the kids pleaded for mercy!

http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/interfaith_bar_smllrworldcouncilofchurchessymbol.g if

This is the symbol of " The International Council of Churches " . NB Note the upsidedown crosses!

I have received many emails in response to my essays and it has been argued that these killers have " turned over a new leaf "," they have seen the light", they have been "born again". These metaphors greatly remind me of the film "Elmer Gantry " in which Burt Lancaster plays the role of a mid-west preacher , con-man and womaniser ! Elmer Gantry is atypical of the present day Born Again charismatic evangelists such as Jim Bakker , Pat Robertson , Oral Roberts etc.

In the 1980s ,when I first heard about Ulster Loyalist paramilitaries who had been convicted of murders , converting to "christianity " I accepted and believed them to be sincere ! I suppose I compared them to the St Francis of Assisi story , in which a rich man's son and a soldier of fortune gave away all his possessions and lived with the beggars .

However , since Aug 1994 , after years on the receiving end of the "Born Again charismatic Christians " and their lackeys in Kilkenny , Republic of Ireland , I have not the slightest doubt that organisation , which can be traced back to it's headquarters in the USA , is controlled and directed by charlatans , deceivers and much worse , murderers and satanists ! See Ref: The Story of Jacque

My experience of the International Charismatic Christians , The Church of Christ , has shown that these killers have NOT reformed ! In truth they have gone deeper into the realm of evil, they are acknowledging the demon as their master , even onto death!

GWBush , " Born Again Christian " , but what does "Born Again" mean to him ?

The Republican Party in the US is controlled by "Born Again Christians"! It is blatantly obvious that one must be a "Born Again" to hold high office in the US government, in both Republican and the Democratic Party! GWBush and Al Gore proclaimed themselves "Born Again Christians " before the recent US presidential elections. In the aftermath of the elections , GWBush held a dinner "prayer " meeting to give thanks for his success and to celebrate his inauguration. Bush invited "fellow" anti-abortionists "Born Agains" from across the world to his "prayer meeting". One of these was Dana , Rosemary Scanlon , Irish MEP , "Born Again Catholic Christian".

The problem with GWBush and his anti-abortion views is, he is not believable ! He is not credible !

Do you Believe him?

This is the same guy who sent hundreds of men and "women" to their deaths while he was Governor of the State of Texas ! This is the same guy who sent "Born Again " killer Karla Faye Tucker to her death .

Ref: . Karla Faye Tucker murdered by Gov. George Bush on behalf of the Government of the United States of America?

The "Born Agains" began to take control of the Republican Assemblies in the state of California way back in 1991 and their control and influence has spread across the rest of the states since then. It is said that there are over forty million "Born Again Christians" in the US. Many people rightly believe that the "Born Again " movement is fascist in nature and in it's practise! These fascist "Born Again Christians are against homosexuals and they believe in exclusive salvation . Exclusive salvation means to them ; only those who are "Born Again Christians" will enter the kingdom of God! All others will burn in hell! They are Anti-Christ.

Here again there is a definite inverse or reverse symbolism! In the world of the Satanics , everything is inverted! They invert the cross, they believe that good is evil and evil is good! A Born Again cult member in Ireland once told me that the greatest sin was ; a Satanist to masquerade as a clergyman , a genuine follower of Jesus !

This is the reality of the "Born Again "Christian movement. It would be incorrect to label all "Born Agains" as deceiver Christians. My "Born Again " sources in Ireland have explained to me that the top members in the Born Again movement are Satanists but they do recruit innocent and genuine people to be used as pawns for their evil designs. It is easier to identify suspect Irish "Born Again" Christians for the simple reason, Ireland has traditionally been a Roman Catholic country and the Irish Born Agains can be counted in the hundreds rather than hundreds of thousands. I cannot reliably accuse all US based Born Again Christian groups of being deceivers or satanists but there are many indicators which strongly point in that direction.

However, one thing must be said ; " all "Born Again Christian " groups , The Church of Christ etc , which have close ties to the CIA must be very suspect!

emerald

21-12-2009, 04:17 PM

More than meets the eye, still worth reading:

http://www.zimbio.com/Tragic+Child+Stars/articles/39/Tragic+Child+Star+3+Jonathan+Brandis

wyndham

21-12-2009, 07:17 PM

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_01/MeredithKercherL_468x506.jpg
murdered Meredith Kercher (photos taken the night before her death)
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/library/Kercher-&-Mask200.jpg

audio: William Kennedy discusses the satanic ritual murder of
Meredith Kercher in Italy, and media censorship of satanic murders
http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net:8080/121409d.mp3

http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2008/10/guedeknox10a.jpg
convicted: Raffaele Sollecito, Amanda Knox, Rudy Guede

http://www.scandalist.com/files/2009/03/foxy-knoxy-3.jpg
Amanda Knox

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41088000/jpg/_41088733_afp_weise203.jpg
Red Lake killer Jeff Weise

Symbolism

Perugia is in Umbria, known as the 'Green Heart' of Italy. Alcemichal reference.

NASA recently crashed a probe into the lunar surface, in crater Cabeus, named by the 17th century Perugian Jesuit, Riccioli, who by the way, did not believe in heliocentrism, very cumbrious...on the same day at the same hour the Perugian murder landed back into American airwaves.

This happened on October 9, 2009. This was the seventh day of Sukkot, "Hoshana Rabbah" and is considered the final day of the divine "judgment" in which the fate of the new year is determined. An important day.

Amanda Knox (anagram for Adam Kadmon) was dating Raffaelle, her boyfriend. The great master, Raphael, also having lived in Perugia.

Raphael is also one of the seven angels of the apocalypse.

A few weeks before Jewish Ms. Kercher was killed she was in a british music video with the song lyrics: "so today I try to tell you, I'll be on my way..."

The artist is signed to Polydor, go through many doors, owned by Universal Music, or noise, owned by Vivendi...or of 'living'... or 'vive en di'..live and die or life and death/god

'Parousia' - homophonymous, attraction, nymph, related to the end times related to Raphael, literally, 'besides substance/meaning'

Whoever writes the story wins.

Perugino was the teacher of Raphael, taught him how to paint by number...the media is our new master painting as we connect the dots...

Athanaisus Kercher was the Renaissance Jesuit scholar who is known for his seminal work on the history of languages and the tower of babel. Ms. Kercher...Amanda went to a Jesuit high school.

Our reality IS the media. The stories circulating creating the meme, driving us. If they do not tell these stories then there is no meaning to their/our reality. Could they tell a different story. Who is tellilng this story. Who invented these langauges and images. Is the archetype immutable.

Perugia is a short drive down the 'ss'76 to port city Ancona bringing sex slaves and drugs in from the balkans across the adriatic sea. The Umbrians, cumbrious, meaning 'trouble' are tired of immigrant crimes...but the people running things need this crime to feed profits in a country like all first world countries now with not just the syndicate behind but in front of the people... So lets have a sacrificial murder and a sacrificial trial with all the right archetypal actors to satisfying the Green Heart of Perugia as a modern Parousia...

At this point this does not even have to be conspiracy...the logic is turning on itself like a strophe or cata-strophe if one can appreciate how delimited the language has become...cause and effect are interchangeable in the quantum and relative world...quantum theory is a reduction...

Light and dark... Amanda Knox and her Boyfriend are white looking, Perugia is midway between Northern Celtic Italy and Southern Turkish or Roman Italy...The Pope in dark Rome today is a blonde German with a fascist history. The last German pope in the year 1000 was keen on kicking out the Celts from Northern Italy. This evil in Perugia was perpetrated by the white or light and also by a black immigrant named Guede or 'Guide'...Amanda and Raefelle are being 'tried together' or 'tied together' in court, bonding us all to these contradictory images and loss of meaning...Some reviled some entranced everyone caught between actual meaning, even the highest adepts, for this is the implication of philosophy that philosophy has never overcome...

In the 12th century Perugia sided with the Bavarian Guelphs over the working class Ghibellines. Ezra Pound refers to this history in his cantos: "I am that Ezzelino who didn't believe/ The world was made by a Jew..." Rimbaud at the age of 15 was questioning whether or not Latin was an invented language...if only Carl Sagan could have thought this way, or Stephen Hawking...

History distorted...miscegenated...

NASA bombs the moon in our mind, a month later finds water while playing out terrestrial psychodramas (Michael Hoffman's book: Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare) connecting high and low through shared linguistic metaphors and tropes, connected by themselves causally and acausally to history as images and words that hypostate it all...

It is quite possible that Amanda Knox, 'Amanda Knocks', Jesuit trained, is a hypnotic subject, having been sexually abused at home or in school...hollywood is a form of sexual abuse and mind control after all...her boyfriend told his father from jail that he was never going to smoke marijuana again...thc today has been altered in labs to produce proteins that stick to the cells in parts of your brain and grow there like a tumor...we are all under a spell, even the hypnotists, even more so, that would be 'willing' to do such a thing...

This crime has been given more attention in Enlgand and Europe but this makes the bits and pieces coming through the American 'medea' all that more interesting, that has everyone spellbound by either the dark cannabis induced revelry and transgression of it or its repulsion in the space between the letters, where everything sounds so familiar, everything feels so familiar...

hunkahunka

23-12-2009, 12:44 AM

When Did “Special Ops” Become Kidnapping, Drug Dealing, Torture and Political Dirty Tricks?

Source: Veterans Today - Gordon Duff

What does “Special Ops’ mean? Why would a special operations command, JSOC, be answerable to our Vice President, a mentally unstable draft dodging hack from the oil industry? Why would the CIA outsource its most secret projects to Blackwater, a GOP mercenary group with the worst reputation of any firm the US has ever done business with?

Years of kidnapping and torturing people based on mistaken identity, intelligence that is ALWAYS WRONG, chasing dead men, invading wrong countries and picking out allies that are gangsters, con men and drug dealers isn’t an accident, its policy. Now we are told Blackwater, the CIA, MI-6, the Mossad and RAW work together, not only against Iran but in friendly nations also. The stories we are told are that some of what is done is contracting for commercial clients and foreign governments and not anything involving fighting terrorism or protecting anyone, in fact, much the opposite. When is a mercenary a gangster? Are these missions or are they capers or hits?

Blackwater has become the punching bag for the press of late. With accusations of close ties to the CIA and charges of murder and gangsterism floating around after years of more than empty accusations of massive incompetence, their name is abused most.

Are they the only ones? When “private contractors” are involved in terrorism against US allies, the real scandal few are talking about in the US, and Blackwater’s name is brought up, is it really them or someone else? There are dozens of companies involved, not just “Blackwater.”

We now know that Blackwater alone has an endless web of secret fronts making it impossible to trace what is done and for whom. Other companies are doing the same, all unaccountable to the United States or her allies.

Many of these companies exist as offshore entities and are, thus, free to work for the highest bidder, be it Iran, Libya, Georgia, the Sudan or even Israel or India.

The charges against private contractors and “special ops” and intelligence organizations are these:

• Planning and executing terrorist acts inside Pakistan killing hundreds of civilians and targeting military and intelligence facilities

• Organizing revolutionary groups inside Baluchistan which are now fighting along side the Taliban along with organizing attacks inside Iran.

• Transporting narcotics and arranging international banking for warlords involved in opium

• Using rendition and torture to create falsified intelligence used to justify unnecessary military operations

• Manipulating and creating terrorist threats to influence American elections

• Private contractors are said to provide security and training for Iran and other countries unfriendly to the United States

• Creating a trade in phony terrorist suspects, innocent people who are bought and sold into years of torture, imprisonment and even murdered for profit.

• Facilitating terrorist acts in Western Europe and elsewhere through withholding vital intelligence or worse, much worse, in order to maintain an international climate of fear.

• Facilitating a world market in selling American secrets around the world which involved well known “think tanks” working for the US government, members of Congress and key Whitehouse and State Department officials.

• Maintaining high level contacts with terrorist leaders for reasons we can only guess.

The last charge and the most serious charge is also the most substantiated. Sibel Edmonds, the FBI translator who was held under gag order by the Bush administration for 6 years has testified to the fact that the CIA under Bush was regularly communicating with Osama bin Laden until immediately before 9/11. Her sworn testimony is available and a recap of her charges is available thru the American Conservative.

Evidence, to some degree, exists to support all of these charges but, although some investigations are going forward, any attempt to begin a comprehensive investigation of this massive national security threat is being blocked at every level.

What are the rationales for this pattern of abuse of power? How could this be accomplished? Let’s look at a few of the factors involved:

• Israel is the key to many issues, but not in the sense of Israeli security. For instance, Israel is the largest arms supplier to India and many other countries, often reselling extremely sensitive US missile technology. Israeli is also involved financially in oil and gas projects in many of the destabilized areas.

• Global security experts have long suspected that the “War on Terror” was little more than an excuse to keep the arms business going after the fall of Communism. Revelations that most threats, from Iraq to “worldwide terror networks” have been overblown are now commonly accepted.

• Wide mistrust of America’s democratic system of government and legal protections by powerful groups, some of whom profited massively from rigged gasoline prices, financial deregulation and “no bid” war contracts, led to a marriage of special interest and politics in America that undermined Constitutional liberties and controls on corruption to create a much less free but seemingly “more efficient” corporate state.

• The world economy entered a period when the US could be realigned from its position of “economic powerhouse” to “milk cow.” America could be “looted”, financial institutions made insolvent, real estate markets collapsed while America’s military forces could be used to secure global markets for multinational corporations under the guise of “spreading Christian values” or “ending tyranny.”

• The “information revolution” would make this, not only possible but expedient thru centralized control of media, TV and Radio and the ability to use the internet to systematically flood millions of households with continual irrational scares about poisoned vaccines, socialist conspiracies, gun seizures and mysterious plots. Where media manipulation failed, hacking electronic voting machines would leave a semblence of democratic freedoms while eliminating all real public participation in government.

• One fact regarding 9/11 has always been known, one fact only: Osama bin Laden, now known to have been working for the CIA on 9/11, was not involved. Since the debunking of the 9/11 Commission Report, much done by those who wrote it themselves, we are left with no proven facts involving this tragedy.

Some glimpses into these patterns of misconduct and conspiracy came up during the Edmonds interview with former CIA analyst Philip Giraldi, published in the American Conservative:

“GIRALDI: You also have information on al-Qaeda, specifically al-Qaeda in Central Asia and Bosnia. You were privy to conversations that suggested the CIA was supporting al-Qaeda in central Asia and the Balkans, training people to get money, get weapons, and this contact continued until 9/11…

EDMONDS: I don’t know if it was CIA. There were certain forces in the U.S. government who worked with the Turkish paramilitary groups, including Abdullah Çatli’s group, Fethullah Gülen.

GIRALDI: Well, that could be either Joint Special Operations Command or CIA.

EDMONDS: Maybe in a lot of cases when they said State Department, they meant CIA?

GIRALDI: When they said State Department, they probably meant CIA.

EDMONDS: Okay. So these conversations, between 1997 and 2001, had to do with a Central Asia operation that involved bin Laden. Not once did anybody use the word “al-Qaeda.” It was always “mujahideen,” always “bin Laden” and, in fact, not “bin Laden” but “bin Ladens” plural. There were several bin Ladens who were going on private jets to Azerbaijan and Tajikistan. The Turkish ambassador in Azerbaijan worked with them.

There were bin Ladens, with the help of Pakistanis or Saudis, under our management. Marc Grossman was leading it, 100 percent, bringing people from East Turkestan into Kyrgyzstan, from Kyrgyzstan to Azerbaijan, from Azerbaijan some of them were being channeled to Chechnya, some of them were being channeled to Bosnia. From Turkey, they were putting all these bin Ladens on NATO planes. People and weapons went one way, drugs came back.

GIRALDI: Was the U.S. government aware of this circular deal?

EDMONDS: 100 percent. A lot of the drugs were going to Belgium with NATO planes. After that, they went to the UK, and a lot came to the U.S. via military planes to distribution centers in Chicago and Paterson, New Jersey. Turkish diplomats who would never be searched were coming with suitcases of heroin.

GIRALDI: And, of course, none of this has been investigated.”

The last sentence is the most telling. “None of this has been investigated.” When discussing the Joint Special Operations Command, they are referring to General McChrystal and Vice President Cheney. Drugs on NATO planes? Flying terrorist leaders around the world?

Is this what we mean by “special operations.” How does flying terrorists around and delivering narcotics protect us? How many whistleblowers have been silenced? These are the charges made against Blackwater, as printed in The Nation:

A former Blackwater employee and an ex-US Marine who has worked as a security operative for the company have made a series of explosive allegations in sworn statements filed on August 3 in federal court in Virginia.

The two men claim that the company’s owner, Erik Prince, may have murdered or facilitated the murder of individuals who were cooperating with federal authorities investigating the company. The former employee also alleges that Prince “views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe,” and that Prince’s companies “encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life.”

Since these charges were made public, we have learned that this same company had been involved, on a massive scale, in US operations around the world. We learned this week, from Brigadier General Asif Haroon Raja in Opinion Maker that Blackwater is accused of terrorist attacks against Pakistan:

“Having fully committed the army in fighting a futile US war on terror, RAW sponsored terrorists duly aided by Blackwater elements are playing havoc into major cities of Pakistan through almost daily bomb blasts and suicide attacks.”

Can America afford to continue with our current special operations command, be it CIA or JSOC or whatever the flavor of the day, if even a single of the seemingly endless charges made are true?

Is blocking investigations meant to protect America or to facilitate our own “evil doers?”

hunkahunka

23-12-2009, 10:52 PM

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/a-ok6661.jpg

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/beatles_satan_signs.jpg
A-OK flashed by Paul Mccartney. The juxtaposition of the a-ok sign with Lennon’s “devil’s horn” hints to its hidden meaning.

Here is an interesting and thorough page on the 666 satanic hand sign
being used by musicians, with pics of many famous musicians using it, background on it etc:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2969

hunkahunka

24-12-2009, 11:55 AM

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv7/alphacentauri220/mileyhorns.jpg

http://crabbygolightly.com/images/mileybrand.jpg

I hate to give people like Miley Cyrus even more undeserved attention
than she already has, but I
found this post online about Miley Cyrus flashing the rock n' roll/ devil
horns frequently during a television show, & watched the video posted
with it (maybe I DO have too much time on my hands) , and noticed something else too. If you have a moment, watch the video here, and at the beginning, listen to the young women in the studio audience moved to uncontrollable states of frenzied ecstacy by the sheer breath-taking sight of ... Miley Cyrus entering a tv studio

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOftbFTRUnI

This is mildly-traumatizing to the average individual. This synthetic, laminated-in-unobtanium state of hyper- bliss is the kind of thing that people tend not to even notice, or to think about, but if you watch it a couple of times over and think about just what combination of drugs it would take, you start to wonder. Are these hypsters bred for their high-pitched squeakiness and then paid in DRUGS AND CHEWING GUM to do what they do? Are they flown in packed in dog crates? Might there be chew toys involved?

Its almost comforting to realize that these most vocal,
hormonally deranged, hooping, giggling, masticators of chewing gum are likely paid to do performance-enhancing drugs and sit in the studio audience cheering.

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hunkahunka

25-12-2009, 07:52 PM

quote:

Kurt Cobain: Satan's little helper !
http://www.nirvanaclub.com/nfa/images/satan_intro.gif

Rock 'n' roll is the work of the devil. We have heard it so many times before. Now the link between the Charles Manson murders and the Beatles has been found. There was records that could be played backwards and you would hear cryptic messages, and there were LSD trips where you met the Devil, all mixed together by rock 'n' roll. Then there are the metal bands who preach the gospel of Satan. Black Sabbath, Slayer, Cradle Of Filth, and not the least Marilyn Manson. But... Kurt Cobain?

According to the September 1999 issue of British "MOJO - The Music Magazine," Kurt Cobain was one of 'Satan's little helpers.' The front-page story of the magazine is rock's dark past, and rock's links to the Charles Manson murders and other occulties.

see the cover of it here:

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http://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_592875-MOJO-magazine-The-Dark-side-cover-September-1999-Issue-70.html

http://www.nirvanaclub.com/nfa/images/satan_quote.gif

"The Nirvana frontman was obsessed with Anton LaVey, the since deceased founder of The Church Of Satan. The first time Cobain came to San Francisco with his cronies from The Melvins, they repeatedly drove by LaVey's infamous 'Black House' (which, since his death, has been seized from his companion and current Church of Satan head, Blanche Barton), fascinated with the barbed wire that surrounded the mansion: rather than keeping intruders at bay, the fence was designed to keep the house's inhabitants in. Cobain knew that LaVey played cello, and attempted to contact him about playing on 'Nevermind.' LaVey never returned his calls."

Those interested in Nirvana will know that the cello part on "Something In The Way" on "Nevermind," the only song featuring that instrument, was not planned. When they decided to put a cello part on, they had to search the city they were recording in to find someone who knew how to play a cello. They found Kirk Canning, who wrote the cello lines and played on the album.

The source of the information used by "MOJO," Charles R. Cross, author of the acclaimed Nirvana books "The Making Of Nevermind" and "Heavier Than Heaven," says that the magazine has blown what he told them a little bit out of proportion:

"Kurt was fascinated by Lavey and wanted to get him to play on something. He said that several times when he visited San Francisco and went by the Melvins' house, which was just down the street from LaVey's. He had heard that he played cello. Kurt did want him to play on some future recording; he said this before they went into the studio for 'Nevermind.' It's a little far fetched to say he wanted him to play on 'Nevermind,' but it is accurate to say he wanted him on a future recording."

hunkahunka

25-12-2009, 08:12 PM

Jack Parsons, L. Ron Hubbard, Anton LaVey and the Nazi Connection

The following excerpt was taken from an article by David McGowan, "There's Something About Henry", June 2000

"The Process Church, which set up shop in San Francisco, was itself an offshoot of the Church of Scientology, which was the brainchild of L. Ron Hubbard - an agent of the Office of Naval Intelligence and the son of a U.S. Navy Commander. Before being inspired to create his own church, Hubbard was a close associate and follower of Jack Parsons, rocket fuel scientist and avid follower of the occult, who helped found the prestigious Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California.

Parsons was at the time the head of the American chapter of the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis), a title bestowed on him by mentor Aleister Crowley, a flamboyant occultist, British and American intelligence asset, and avid Nazi sympathizer and propagandist both before and during World War II.

Crowley had assumed the leadership of the OTO in 1922 when founder Theodor Reuss - a German occultist and intelligence asset - had stepped down. The OTO then - along with the various organizations spawned from it - is in a direct line of descent from the German occult-based secret societies that gave rise to the Third Reich, a fact made evident by the ideology and symbolism of the Process Church, whose logo is a modified swastika.

Back in the Bay area, Anton Szandor LaVey (born as Howard Stanton Levey in Chicago, Illinois to Jewish parents) and Crowley-enthusiast Kenneth Anger would set about busily organizing the Church of Satan in San Francisco, where LaVey would become something of a celebrity - the clown prince of Satanism. From this church would spring forth both the Temple of Set - led by U.S. intelligence asset and psychological warfare specialist Lt. Col. Michael Aquino - and the Werewolf Order, founded by LaVey's daughter Zeena and Manson-admirer Nikolas Schreck

Both of these off-shoots embraced an unabashedly fascist ideology. The Werewolf Order was patterned directly after the Nazi-front Werewolf Corps created in post-war Germany to thwart any attempts at denazification. Zeena LaVey and Nikolas Schreck are also notable for holding a public gathering on August 8, 1988 to celebrate the anniversary of the slaughter of Sharon Tate by the Manson Family. "
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interesting to note too that the nazis were Jewish, and Jewish music mogul David Geffen signed both John Lennon
and Kurt Cobain to his label prior to their deaths and made big money on the publicity that those deaths
generated.

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAjtTjlJdss
Yoko Ono, yes I'm a witch

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Yes, I'm a Witch

Yes, I'm a Witch is a remix album by Yoko Ono released on February 6, 2007. Artists invited to contribute were asked to select a song from Ono's back catalogue, and were then presented with all the necessary elements to create a remix/cover to their desires. According to the press release, nearly every artist chose only the vocals, and created entirely new backing tracks to demonstrate the versatility of Ono's compositions.

The song choices span Ono's career from her early experimental work with John Lennon in the late 1960s through to her solo career in the 70s and 80s. The album draws its title from a 1974 Ono song featured on her album A Story, a track which is featured on the album in a reworked version by The Brother Brothers.

http://latimes.image2.trb.com/lanews/media/photo/2009-10/49801644.jpg
Oh, no! Yoko Ono and David Geffen react to the news of John Lennons murder by Mark David Chapman

hunkahunka

26-12-2009, 12:47 AM

Mind Control Interview: Dr. Stephen Kent on Masonic Ritual Abuse and Abusive Cults

CKLN-FM Mind Control Series -- Part 13
Dr. Stephen Kent
Interview on Cults and Ritual Abuse

Back to CKLN Series Table of Contents

Wayne Morris:

Good morning. You are tuned into the International Connection once again. Today we are interviewing Dr. Stephen Kent, a sociologist at the University of Alberta in Edmonton. Dr. Kent specializes in studying abusive cults and accounts of ritual abuse. Here is that interview:

I am talking to Dr. Stephen Kent. Thank you very much for joining us Stephen.

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Thank you very much for asking me.

Wayne Morris:

I wonder if you could briefly tell us what your background is, and what is the work that you are currently doing.

Dr. Stephen Kent:

I am a sociologist of religion, and I specialize in the study of controversial religions. These are the groups that are outside the mainstream. These are the groups that are often smaller, but the groups that most people pejoratively call "cults". As part of that research, I got involved in studying abuse accounts that people were providing to me from their involvement in some controversial religions. By no means is it the case that merely because a group is new or small, does it mean that it is involved in any kind of abuse scenarios. But certainly a lot of abuse does go on in some of these small groups. As part of that process I was getting really extraordinary accounts about physical, emotional and sexual abuse. Then in October of 1989 I attended a conference specifically on ritual abuse -- a three day conference -- the first day or day and a half was on the kinds of groups that I had been studying, then the final day and a half was more on groups oriented around the worship of satan. I came away from the conference saying, "something is going on," but I had at that time no direct experience or interviews with people. I also had been collecting whatever material I could find on allegations involving satanism, and I had done some historical work about satanic allegations in the 17th century ... so I had some large conceptual background.

It was March 1990, when my first account came. This person was having memories, and she called the university -- usually it is the case that these calls are about unusual religious activities wind up going into my office -- so this phone call was re-routed to my office. This person did not identify herself. I get calls like this from time to time, so I am not too surprised about that. But she asked me a question about a symbol. I am a collector and I work with a lot of religious materials but I had never heard about this particular symbol, so I asked her a number of normal questions -- what was the context of the symbol, was it on anything, were people around. After about the third or fourth question, I remember thinking "oh my gosh she saw this in a ritual". I got up and closed my office door, and she became the first person to disclose. I spent a lot of time talking with her. Her case eventually led to a police investigation with essentially no results, but the pressue of trying to make sen se out of her account led me to begin a fairly large, and I think, in-depth, investigation of satanic allegations. That investigation led to the publication of three academic articles on the subject.

And even now, about seven years later, I still from time to time get new accounts. There is one person I have been trying to talk to for about six years. I now get accounts and queries through the internet oddly enough through e-mail. People hear about me, and contact me and so on.

Wayne Morris:

When you say ritual abuse, what do you mean by that? What constitutes ritual abuse?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Ritual abuse is any kind of systematic patterned disempowering violations. Ritual abuse can take place in a wide variety of contexts. They don't necessarily have to be religious in nature; however, ritual abuse is systematic, patterned, disempowering violations -- can take place in any kind of deviant religious setting. It is simply the case that many of the accounts that have come to me suggest, if the allegations are true, that the people involved in the alleged violations, believe that they were engaged in worship of demonic figures -- what we would call "satanic figures". But I hasten to add that the issue around ritual abuse can go on in mainstream deviant settings. There was a case reported in the Toronto Star a couple of years ago about a healing group in Toronto in the sixties that had collapsed unto itself, and got involved in very abusive ritual abuse of children. (See Toronto Star, Judy Steed, Feb. 12, 1995 "Priest tells of cult horror in dad's rectory: Sixties cult - story and he adlines in 1968 tell of a report condemning Canon G. Moore Smith of St. Matthias Anglican Church in Toronto for using bizarre rituals and brainwashing to control parishioners" )

Wayne Morris:

And what would be the ritual aspect in that case? I am not familiar with the case in the Toronto Star, but in a general sense, if it is outside a religious context, what is the ritual aspect?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

In the allegations of ritual abuse that are say, outside a religious context, these kinds of abuses could involve a perpetrator who serially violates one person or one child repeatedly. In these cases the kind of violations would be patterned and the patterning can be important from the victim's standpoint because each time the abuse begins, the victim knows what's coming, having been through it several times before. You hear from many victims and alleged victims, that they dissociated, that they suddenly "rose up to the corner of the ceiling and were gone", that they created different personalities to take the abuse. Probably they were able to do so because they had been through ritual patterns many times, and they know things at age 3 and 4 what is coming down the road, so they escape the only way they can. These are often children, even adults are disempowered and can't do the normal kind of reaction which is either to fight or flee. Consequently, these people, especially children, flee the only way they can, which is psychologically. Emotionally they dissociate.

Wayne Morris:

How prevalent is multiple personality disorder of some sort among the children coming forth with claims of ritual abuse?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Well, keep in mind that I am not clinically trained so you always want to take what I say about clinical psychological issues with a grain of salt ... but my experience suggests that quite a number of people who claim to have been severely, repeatedly sexually abused as children manifest what appears to be multiple personality, dissociative identity, and so on. Some considerable debate exists in the psychological and psychiatric literature about the reality of multiple personality, and it does seem that, in my own non clinical sense, that some kinds of treatments by psychiatrists, psychologists and counsellors can make these conditions worse, but I am convinced from the people with whom I have spoken that what is often called multiple personality disorder does exist in and of itself, and that existence can stem from repeated abuse, especially children.

The first person with whom I spoke made allegations about having ritually abused, but as an adult. It was an important case for me because it seemed very clear that she had dissociated, but she had not formed personalities. My own sense about the dynamics of the formation of multiple personalities suggests that it is most likely to occur among people whose personalities are not well formed -- that is to say, fairly young children. It is probably easiest for them to create fantasies because all the elements of their personalities -- who they are, their relationship to family, to friends, their social sense of themselves -- those aren't particularly well developed yet. So, again, when adults go through systematic ritual abuse, it doesn't surprise me at all for them to say they dissociate, frequently have memories come back in floods or rushes that they can't control. But I don't see the adults forming multiple personalities unless the abuse happened at a young age as children -- again, I am not clinically trained, but that's what my experience suggests to me.

Wayne Morris:

And in your experience with a lot of the people you have come in contact with that have claimed or made allegations of ritual abuse as a child, do you find that a high percentage of these do have some kind of dissociative disorder.

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Again, not being clinically trained, I can only give my impressions, but yes, it certainly seems very, very clear that many of the people with whom I have spoken talk about different personalities, will describe in some detail the processes of dissociation. They will give me diaries that have different handwritings, sometimes they will be talking to me and they will go into different voices. I remember one vivid example. I was talking to a person with whom I have been in contact for a long time -- she called me, and she was in some kind of distress. I said "I will call you right back," made some phone calls, and returned her call. Five minutes. This person was 30 years old, and sounded like a five or six year old when I called and she answered the phone. It was the same person, but it sounded like her in a different personality. I suggested that instead of staying in her apartment all day -- it was a beautiful day -- there was a big festival going on in Edmonton -- I suggested that possibly s he could go out there to get her mind off of these things. The little tiny voice said that, "oh, I can't ride the bus," and I knew this person rode the bus all the time, and I said, "why not?" And this little voice said, "because I can't read." And there was no indication that this person was making up these issues. In her case, she was one of three daughters, and a second of her sisters also was in treatment for what at the time was called multiple personality disorder. So two of the three sisters in this family had very bad psychological problems. And you have to ask the question, "well, how does something go so wrong in a family? Is it a genetic issue or is it environmental." That is to say, is there a bad gene in the family, or did these two sisters go through fairly horrific systematic abuse that caused personality fragmentation ...

Wayne Morris:

Can you tell us what similarities there are in the accounts of the survivors, especially by those where the abuse happened when they were children?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

There is some research on the similarities of accounts. All of them, all of them talk about severe emotional abuse, sexual abuse. Many of the accounts contain references to ritual murders, murders in which these people claim they were sometimes forced to participate. Many of these accounts talk about ritual murders in the context of sacrifices. The sacrificial descriptions almost always involve drinking of fluids out of a chalice or bowl. It is remarkable how many accounts contain descriptions of what sound like chalices. Some people who claim to know or speculate as to what the fluids are in the chalices, and almost always suggest that it is blood, or a blood mixture. Sometimes people suggest urine might be mixed in. Lots of stories about eating flesh, about a victim being killed, and parts of the victim cut off and given to people to eat. Sometimes these people talk about being forced to eat parts of the alleged victims, and so on. Almost all the accounts contain people in robes. Sometimes the robes are different colors. High ceremony -- that is to say -- there are some accounts of people being abused at the end of say, poker games or something -- but most of the accounts that I get contain allegations of rituals where there seems to be a leader performing systematic ceremonies involving daggers -- often involving chants. When someone mentions chants, without trying to lead them, I try to get them to talk about the chants. And many, many of the people say the chants are not in English, they just couldn't understand them. It is remarkable in these kinds of small details to get these general kinds of similarities in stories. Sometimes -- very frequently -- most frequently both, if not one -- will be involved in the allegations. Sometimes relatives. That is a very quick overview scenario about the content.

Generally I find that many of these accounts are broadly similar in content, but usually different in details. Part of what I have tried to do is to collect accounts, wondering whether accounts from independent people ever would match up. One way of doing this kind of qualitative research is to get similar accounts from unrelated people. To get these kind of accounts, then you have a fairly good indication that something may have happened -- it is always important to rule out extraneous features, ie. the media, the same therapist, and so on. I get similar accounts with different details.

I was actually faced with a real dilemma. How could one explain these broad similarities, but particularly, the differences. These accounts were coming from people in various countries -- people giving accounts of alleged rituals that were happening in various countries. Literature was coming out of Europe, Australia, South Africa, and so on. I was faced with a real dilemma. How could one possibly make sense out of all these similar accounts from all over the world, that were different in detail? I spent months trying to figure this out. I finally came up with a possible answer, it was so terribly simple. One estimation is that if these groups existed, then they were all inspired by a similar source. When I tried to figure out what a common source was, I spent months going through very esoteric arcane occult books -- and the material so abstract that it just didn't ring true that some of the farmers, or teachers, or real estate people about whom people were making allegations -- and military personnel, and so on, could have understood these texts. The more possible answer was that people may have been inspired by sections of the bible. That is to say, if one looks in the Hewbrew bible old testament, there are lots of discussions about the God, Yahweh, in competition with the very pagan gods, Baal, Ashteraph, and so on. Pagan gods required human sacrifices, especially child sacrifices. Moreover, in the Christian new testament, Jesus is recorded as talking, a fair amount, about the power of satan ... Jesus always claims power over satan ... but it is very clear in certain portions of the bible, that satan is the god of this world.

It struck me like a thunderbolt -- that if people were deviant and they were striving for what they considered to be power in this world, and they operated in a religious context, one possible interpetation is that they would go to various portions of the bible, and whenever God or yahweh instructed them not to do something, they would construct rituals to do exactly what God said not to do. Moreover, Jesus talks about the power of satan, or uses satanic images to dismiss his opponents, then deviants would construct ritual around those satanic images. With that focus on the bible as being a possible source for deviations around the world, for me the mystery got solved. then of course, the issue became more complex.

A number of religious books, scriptural books and quasi-religious books, have influenced and had an impact on groups around the world. So we have different Mormon texts, different Masonic texts, and so on. And these books could be the sources of inspiration for deviants inside of those traditions. It is certainly the case that mainstream Christians, mainstream Freemasons, mainstream Mormons would be appalled at the stories I have heard. And again, I cannot tell you that these accounts are definitive, or true, but nonetheless, normal members of these traditions would be shocked, appalled to hear the kinds of things I have. But every tradition has its deviants. Moreover, every tradition probably has its sexual deviants. So if people are striving for power in this world, and happen to be a member of these particular traditions, it is plausible to me that they would pick images in these traditions and twist or distort them. It is also possible too that there could be sexual deviants who want to sanctify, to give a religious overview, or hue to their deviant sexual activities; consequently they could offer up their sexual deviances to what they consider to be a higher power, in this case, satan or some variations thereof in order to give their deviations this kind of higher, overview sanctification.

Wayne Morris:

How do you know that people haven't picked up these kinds of inspiration from the media itself, or entertainment, particularly horror shows and shows about satan and so forth? How did you rule that out as the source of this?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Well, it is difficult to rule it out definitively, but one thing I do is simply ask people, and you cannot always assume that people give accurate answers, but more strikingly, some of the images people were giving me, are not ones that I have seen in any media accounts or outside sources. That is to say, they involved issues the people themselves could not make sense of. Some very obscure things. It took me years to find what could be plausible explanations for some kinds of activities. If you like, I can give one or two examples. One example that comes to mind is a person who talked to me about having a mouse put in her mouth. I got this account a number of years ago, and at the time I had not a clue about what that could have meant. Well I was fortunate to get the account on tape. Several years afterwards, Maclean's Magazine had an article about a federal commission that was going across the country interviewing women about family violence. And the magazine had about two sentences on what it called "ritual abuse". The two sentences said something like, "among the worst accounts that this commission has heard involved a woman in British Columbia who talked about having mice put in her mouth," and it went on to another statement I will come back to. {see: Status of Women Canada, Federal Report, Ottawa 1993 "Changing the Landscape: Ending Violence, Achieving Equity - Chapter 4 'Under-Acknowledged Forms of Violence'}. The other statement was one the Maclean's article linked to the bible. By that point I had already figured out that a possible source of inspiration was the bible, so I went running to my Concordance, and looked up "mouse, or mice". There it was. In Leviticus, in the ___ Laws where Yahweh is telling followers which foods are unclean, one of the unclean foods was mice, so if you are trying to offer homage to a god in opposition to the Judaeo-Christian God, whenever Yahweh says not to do something, you can start a ritual around it. So if Yahweh says, "don't eat mice" you put mice in people's mouths in a ritual setting. The other passage in the Maclean's article referred to the woman saying she had been "whitewashed", she had a white paste or paint put on her body. The article traced that activity to a passage in the New Testament, I believe it is in Matthew, where Jesus is railing against his opponents, I think in this case, the Pharisees. He says something like, "and you opponents are like whited sepulchres, or whitewashed tombs" in some translations. "White on the outside, but inside full of death, decay and rotten bones." Many of my people talked about having something painted on them, and sometimes they talk about colours, white, or white and black, sometimes they don't know what it is that is s meared on them. If their accounts are true, it could be a paint to indicate that their bodies are like whited sepulchres, whitewashed tombs, or gravestones. Or it could be some hallucinogenic, could be bug repellent, although I doubt it.

It is instances like that where people tell me very obscure facts that they can't make sense out of, that I have never seen, at least at the time, in the media, that I have never seen in any kind of horror shows, or what-not. Issues that make no sense to them, that make no sense to their therapists, make no sense to law enforcement officials, and yet people are convinced that these are the experiences they have been through. These kinds of facts that are strongly suggest to me that they didn't get them through external sources such as the media, or external therapy sessions.

Wayne Morris:

This just seems so horrific and outrageous what these people are giving accounts of ... and I think a lot of people will find it hard to believe that ritual abuse exists, and it goes on. How do we know it's happening, and what attempts have been made by law enforcement or researchers to corroborate this, or to prove that it does exist, or it doesn't exist?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

The received sociological or socio-scientific wisdom now is that these accounts most certainly do not exist. I hold a minority opinion on that. Or at least let me say that I am far more open to the possibility that some of these accounts are in fact accurate. When the accounts first started coming forward, they attracted quite a lot of attention in the therapeutic community as well as in the media. It didn't take too long for a backlash against the accounts to come forward, and also I think, a growing skepticism on the part of law enforcement. Many law enforcement agencies would undertake investigations and not come up with the kind of definitive proof they would need in order to state clearly that these recovered memories were in fact accurate. Several years ago, some researchers did a large survey, I think they contacted 11,000 people in law enforcement and therapy and so on, who themselves claimed to have received some 12,000 sets of allegations. According to the study not one of them had been definitively proven.

A lot of social scientists would say that we have to look at other kinds of explanations for why they occur. In my own case, I am much more open to the possibility that some of these accounts are essentially accurate. I maintain this openness for a number of reasons. I am familiar with the content and the dynamics of some police investigations. Among those investigations of which I have some familiarity, a few of them have been, in my estimation, conducted quite properly. That is to say, they got accounts, and the accounts didn't match. In other cases, however, I am far less pleased with the nature and the content of the investigations. Keep in mind that investigations on this issue are very complicated. They usually involve allegations of abuse that happened years, and in some cases, decades ago. People who come forward with these allegations are usually imprecise about times, dates, the people involved. Sometimes, very frequently, the people making the allegations put restrictions on who investigators can contact because they are very panicked. I know there was one big investigation in Western Canada where quite a number of family numbers were coming forward with allegations of abuse. The police at one point went to the father, and said, "Sir, we hate to tell you but your daughters are talking about having been ritually abused by neighbors." Only afterward did the daughters have memories of the father being involved in the ceremonies. But of course, by that time, had there been any evidence, the father and his friends got rid of it as soon as he got tipped off by the police. When I see activities on the part of investigators like the one I just described where there were multiple people making allegations, and police not handling the investigation well ... I suspect that in some of those 12,000 cases there was bad investigation.

I have done a couple of investigations and sometimes parts of people's stories pan out, other times they don't. I had one very articulate, intelligent person who said, "find this shed ... it was owned by (she named the person) ... look in the far right hand corner five feet over, five feet down, dig and you will find a pickled fetus." Law enforcement wasn't interested, so I went out with a local reporter, found the shed, we got permission from the current owners to dig. First indication of problems was that the corner of the shed identified had something over it that had been there since the time she was in there, so we started changing corners, and we dug and we dug and we dug, and found nothing. We flew her out to that shed, and she dug with us, all of which we have on videotape because we were so certain we were going to find something, and we found nothing. Here we had a very clear, precise memory. We go there and it proved to be wrong. So I have learned that the mere intensity with which people believe something to be true, is not a necessary indication of accuracy. This harmoniousness between intensity and accuracy has appeared in some psychological research. But it is also the case too, that in some of the accounts I have gotten a level of corroborative evidence which points in the direction of the accounts being essentially accurate. Part of the trouble with say, police investigations, is that police are under some pressure to get cases closed. Academics, on the other hand, can stay with a case for years. So I have, you might say, the luxury of working on these allegations over the span of a career, whereas police officers often are only on a case for a matter of months. Moreover a lot of the police who get involved with these investigations have little, if any, background not only in cases of sexual abuse but also investigating ritual allegations. And finally, the police departments tend to be sexist institutions. They may not be the best type of individuals to be able to deal with the content of what comes out in these allegation scenarios, so in no way can I, or should I, dismiss such a large study that points out 12,000 cases, none of which have been definitively proven.

But I know from the inside that investigations are much more complex than people would ever imagine, and a number of factors can go on as part of the institutional nature of police work to derail investigations. If police get allegations about a body they found yesterday, or they found in a ditch then police departments are willing to throw enormous resources to try to solve that crime. If in contrast, allegations come forward about a murder that happened 30 years ago, there is no body, there are no artifacts, and so on ... and some of the perpetrators are dead ... the ability of police to commit resources to it are very limited.

Wayne Morris:

Well understandably, it is much more difficult to prove those kind of cases that happened decades before. What percentage of the cases, for example, of those 12,000 had some kind of corroborative evidence?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

I would have to go back and look at the study and find out. There were also studies done in Britain that have more or less dismissed the existence of inter-generational satanic abuse, although it did acknowledge that some sexual perpetrators could use images as part of the control mechanisms, or the abuse scenarios in their illegal or criminal activities. To find out exactly what percentage in these studies may have used satanic symbols, I would have to go back and check. What you have in the academic community now, are a number of social scientists, some prominent law enforcement officials, even some people in the psychiatric community who are saying that ritual abuse allegations involving inter-generational deviance are simply not true. In contrast you have a couple of academics like me who are saying that we should slow down to rushing to judgment here. You have a number of counselors whose experience inside the safe confines of their offices, tell me different stories from what the larger research apparently reveals. You have an intense division within the academic and therapeutic communities, this intense division immediately spills over into implications not only for counseling, but for court cases and so on. The debates are quite serious and consequences are quite important.

Wayne Morris:

I know there are a number of states in the U.S. which have an active statute specifically about ritual abuse, and there is proposed legislation in many other states. Has there been any legislation in Canada specifically dealing with ritual abuse, that you are aware of?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

I am not aware of any specific legislation in Canada. Some people would say that existing legislation is adequate -- that sexual abuse is sexual abuse, regardless of the kind of content or context in which it occurs. So many people say that no need exists for new legislation.

Wayne Morris:

Have there been any convictions in Canada where there might have been some ritual abuse elements or specifically, of ritual abuse? In those cases, how was the issue of ritual abuse handled?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Prescott, Ontario is a tragic but fascinating instance of ritual abuse -- that is to say systematic, patterned abuse involving intergenerational perpetrators in a community context. There were literally hundreds of people involved including both perpetrators and victims. Some small indications exist that the prosecution, perhaps wisely, didn't pursue that some of the people were involved in satanic rituals in the context of these abuses. The name in the Prescott investigation -- Joshua -- Joshua was supposedly a little brother who one of the victims indicated was murdered. Police never found any bodies or bones, so they cannot ensure that this little fellow actually existed. There was discussion that he had been murdered, and that the murder had involved satanic ritual.

Wayne Morris:

Was there documentation of his birth?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Not as far as I know. My information is secondhand from Judy Steed, so you will want to talk to her about it. I have spent a far amount of time, however, with one of the prosecutors and one of the counsellors. In some ways the Prescott, Ontario case is something of a model for the systematic careful way an investigation should be handled. {see: Our Little Secret: Confronting Child Sexual Abuse in Canada, by Judy Steed, Random House of Canada, Toronto, 1994}.

Wayne Morris:

Have there been other connections with child pornography in some of the other cases, or accounts of cases of ritual abuse that you have come across?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Allegations about child pornography are very widespread. Again there hasn't been the kind of definitive proof that I would need to be able to say these allegations are true, but I do have some accounts where people who are now adults who talk about some adult, usually a father, farming off the child for reasons of child prostitution when they were younger. This happens in more accounts than you might think, and I have a fairly recent account of this activity in the case I am working on right now.

Wayne Morris:

How many people have you come across who have been giving accounts of ritual abuse, and what is your sense of how widespread this is?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

I stopped counting a while ago, but it was well above seventy and these people, in terms of their contact with me, may range from a simple phone call. Many of the people eventually let me turn on a tape recorder and tape their stories. People send me diaries, journals, letters, and so on. I have internet e-mail messages, so I get contact from a wide variety of people. Again, when you ask how widespread is this phenomenon, I would be very cautious in terms of speaking as a social scientist where, in order for me to make a scientific statement, I have to have unimpeachable evidence that I could present to you or other researchers that would lead everyone to come to the same conclusions. I cannot give that kind of definitive research, evidence. What I can do is provide a great deal of suggestive evidence, and because the evidence is still suggestive, it is very important that researchers not close the door yet on the possibility that some of these allegations are true. Having said that, with the appropriate social scientific qualifications, I have gotten reports from people right across this country, from people inside the US, from people who grew up in Britain ... I did a telephone interview with somebody in Australia although I believe her alleged abuse took place in this country. I have seen published accounts in quite a number of European countries and other countries, other English-speaking countries, so something is going on ...

Critics would say that therapists in all these countries have received the same sort of shoddy training ... well ... it is the case that therapists can induce or accentuate existing problems. In a couple of instances I have seen the negative impact of therapeutic intervention very dramatically -- but again, many therapists with whom I have worked, seem to be quite competent, quite caring and moreover, quite professional. That is to say, these therapists are very attuned to issues about not leading clients into memories, not using any kind of recover techniques that might impede or bring into question the content or quality of what they are remembering, and so on. For me the extent of ritual abuse is still an open question. It is not an open question to many of my colleagues.

Wayne Morris:

Do you think there have been an increasing number of allegations coming forward in recent years, or do you feel the ritual abuse of children is a new phenomenon or ...

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Absolutely no indication exists that the abuse of children is a new phenomenon ... if anything, I would suggest that child abuse could have been worse in the Western world in earlier historical periods and no doubt it is pervasive in other parts of the world, especially in some developing countries. What is sociologically interesting is the outbreak of the number of accounts that have occurred fairly recently in this country, in Canada. The earliest account I have come across about alleged ritual abuse was from the Winnipeg Free Press in 1959, a person from Britain was on a speaking tour and had given a lecture, I believe in British Columbia, although the WFP picked it up, talking about a child sacrifice that had allegedly happened back in his home town in Britain. I even tried to talk with him but to no avail. Going through the literature in the 1960's, because I have done a lot of work on the counter-culture religions of the late sixties and early seventies, there are a couple of very chilling accounts that appeared in these alternative press contexts ... one in Texas, one may have been in California ... where reporters went to rituals and in one case the reporter said it was very clear that the person tied up was about to be sacrificed, and he fled in panic. So we have a couple of accounts of satanic activities in the late 60's by people who wrote about it before there were any kinds of debates about whether ritual satanic abuse went on. This did not necessarily involve inter-generational satanic abuse, but certainly they contained strong indications of ritual sacrifice and various kinds of violations. Many people would say that the rise of the women's movement at the end of the 1960's paved the way for feminist therapists and therapists being more sensitive to issues about abuse against women and children -- certainly it seems to me that a number of women finally felt permission to come forward with these accounts believing that therapists or the community at large finally would give them a voice, would listen to them.

Interestingly, and sadly, one of the accounts I got from a 50 year old man -- just terrified, absolutely panicked -- who complained he could not find a counselor who would let him talk about his ritual abuse. He said all the counselors he ran into were working with women, and they had no experience with men, and he was just badly traumatized. So ... people would locate the cultural and you might say, therapeutic, permission to come forward with these accounts in the context of the more sensitive environment for issues about abuse. Of course there has been a backlash against issues and allegations about child abuse, and abuse against women. It looks like the False Memory Syndrome Foundation is the most dramatic, but a number of other organizations have claimed that parents, often men, are the victims of these allegations and these bad therapeutic techniques. It is a complex world from cases in which it seems very clear that parents or alleged abusers were in fact wronged. There have been a number of cases where parents have successfully sued their adult children's therapists for "leading" them into these memories. There have been some cases in Ontario where therapists were using questionable techniques that seemed to induce memories amongst clients.

But some of the backlash is combined with attempts to cover up ... that is to say, some of the people who are involved in the denial of the reality of levels of abuse, almost certainly have been perpetrators themselves. Consequently their attempts to deny the reality of abuse is another form of abuse. Very nasty debate, very nasty debate ... sometimes involving extremely clever people so it is difficult for the people in the public to sort out what is accurate versus what is nonsense versus what is another form of abuse cloaked in pseudo scientific terms.

Wayne Morris:

...In an already complex issue to begin with. What is your sense of how many women versus men have made allegations of being affected by ritual abuse, and how many of them have accounts of it happening when they were children versus adults?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

When I had about 55-60 people, I made a count, and it was just a handful of men who have spoken to me. I would be reluctant to give an exact figure, but a tiny proportion of people who have come forward to me are men. There might be some reasons for that. My general impression is that men in our culture are far less willing to go to therapy about abuse. Men seem to have a tradition of being required to swallow their emotions, bury them, hide them, and so on. I heard of one person who would not speak to me because he had a high profile job and he was afraid in doing so, his life would fall apart. And he would lose his job. I had one person speak to me about it one time, and months later I had occasion to call him back, and he said, "I said it once, and I am getting on with my life, you have got the account, don't call me again." And that was his way of coping. Most of the accounts I get are from women, but it is important to say, by no means all. It is important to say that, because in many of the accounts I get, little boys are involved as abuse victims. If these accounts are true, then where are they?

Wayne Morris:

Well I have also heard suggestions that a lot of the male victims of this abuse end up in jail, that they have behavioral problems because of the abuse, and many of them end up in prison.

Dr. Stephen Kent:

It wouldn't surprise me. Just as a general scenario that many child sexual abuse victims themselves -- it sets them off in very difficult lives. One of the vicious tragedies of child abuse is that it steals from children the ability to build their emotions on a solid and healthy and loving emotional background. Without that background, all other human development is very shaky ... all the stages of human development they go through is built on a house of cards, built on a foundation where love and tenderness get confused with other kinds of emotions and deviant activities. So it wouldn't surprise me that a lot of people who are abuse victims, not to mention even ritual abuse victims, would wind up in prison, treatment centres. Many of the people with whom I have spoken have had difficulty combating substance abuse of various kinds, but it doesn't appear that the substance abuse caused the memories. It seems more plausible to me that the memories caused the substance abuse.

Wayne Morris:

Again, how many of the people you have worked with have reported abuse as a child, or as an adult?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

One of the issues that comes up is whether the adult, when they were children and allegedly being abused, reported it to anybody. And from time to time people say they did in various ways, but if these accounts were to, say a school nurse back in the fifties, the chances of that school nurse being around are very slight. The chances of that school nurse remembering that account are very slight. It is the kind of fact that is very difficult to find. I had one person who was trying to track down a family doctor because she is convinced that he knew about the alleged abuse she was going through. So getting hold of old records is very, very difficult ... that kind of hard documentation that has gone on. Interesting debates, or developments, that have gone on in the False Memory Syndrome Foundation about the issue of early confirmation ... what is so extraordinary about FMSF is that the debates swirl around a number of high powered academics. The founders were Ph.D.'s ... he was a math professor, she was a professor of educational related fields. The daughter is a Ph.D. psychology professor at University of Oregon. As these debates swirl, the brother of the father who co-founded FMSF, wrote a letter saying that he suspected the allegations of child abuse in the household were true. It is not definitive proof, but here you have one family member speaking out against another in support of the adults' alleged victim. Very, very complicated issues about the Foundation. Probably the most complicated story about verification comes in the context of the McMartin preschool case. This is one that both sides use as verification of the accuracy of their accounts. As you know a number of children came forward with ritual abuse accounts in a nursery or day school run by the Buckey family. A mother and a son were indicted. I think it was the largest trial in California history ...

We have been listening to Dr. Stephen Kent, a Sociology Professor at the University of Alberta in Edmonton. He spoke about the phenomenon of similar ritual abuse allegations internationally, and the common thread of how they seem to be engaging in behaviour in defiance of parts of the bible. There are an increasing number of people making allegations that they have been ritually abused by family members and cults. We have also heard in other shows on this series on Mind Control how ritual abuse has been used by government mind control doctors as a way of further traumatizing child victims of trauma based mind control. Stay tuned next week as we continue this interview with Dr. Stephen Kent, and for people who are interested in transcripts of this radio series, they are available at www.mk.net/~mcf ... that's the mind control forum ... you can just look under the CKLN Radio series title. Also tapes and transcripts will soon be available at the offices of CKLN in Toronto for anybody intereste d in picking up any of the previous shows. This is show number 23, and we are going to be continuing this series.

Wayne Morris:

Good morning. This is show number 24 in a series on Mind Control, each Sunday morning from 9.30 to 10.30 on CKLN. Today we are going to be hearing Part 2 of an interview with Dr. Stephen Kent a professor of Sociology at University of Alberta in Edmonton. We talk about the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, ritual abuse and cults, and allegations against Freemasons involvement in group sexual abuse of children. Later in today's show we will hear coverage of a ritual abuse conference that Dr. Stephen Kent spoke at in Thunder Bay in 1994. But first, the second half of the Stephen Kent interview:

Dr. Stephen Kent:

... I think the largest trial in California history ... and they got off ... the son was re-tried and he got off. One of the factors that prevented conviction sounds like very sloppy interviewing techniques on the part of a key therapist. Nonetheless the kids had made allegations that there were tunnels under the school. Police dug and didn't find tunnels. This is very damning evidence from a law enforcement perspective, and from a jury's. Now, the kids say there are tunnels. You look for them, you don't find them. Problems. In the midst of the second trial, the property had been sold and the school was about to be torn down, bulldozed. The parents hired a private archeologist to do a last-minute dig. Sure enough, he found tunnels. He found very tunnel-like structures that the children had been talking about. One tunnel led to a building next door to the daycare centre, which was awfully similar to what the children had in their accounts. He found a plastic bag with a copyright date on it from 1986, which indicated that these tunnels had been filled with dirt some time after 1986. He had evidence of tunnels, evidence that the tunnels had been filled in recently with dirt and various debris, but the evidence never came up in the trial itself. Once again, you have a very complicated case where therapists probably did a bad job of interviewing, police may have done a very bad job of investigating because it took a private individual to find the tunnels. The evidence never wound up in court.

Wayne Morris:

Since you brought it up, what is your opinion on the FMSF in terms of the work they are doing? What do you think the effects they have had on the field of dealing with this abuse?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Some of the so-called "science" the FMSF has advocated is bogus. The bottom line is if they serve a positive function at all, it is to make therapists much more rigorous about the kinds of interview techniques that go on. But much of what the FMSF advocates goes certainly beyond "science" and enters into the realm of literal harassment. At times the kinds of unprofessional, and I was going to say undignified, but that's probably not a term the social sciences should use ... but certainly unprofessional interventions that the mother used against the daughter when she was up for promotion at the University of Oregon ... writing letters against her on FMSF letterhead ... is beyond the pale in anything that should go on in a scientific context. It is a family tragedy as well but it shows that the group is not nearlly committed to objective science but is also committed a kind of ideological advocacy that often dismisses contrary facts. Moreover part of the danger of the FMSF is their cleverly coined term "false memory syndrome", which if you talk to people in the mental health community, is a misrepresentation of what a syndrome actually is. So it put into the legal context and cultural context a very catchy word that may actually misrepresent the delicacy with which science is trying to get at some of these memory issues. Moreover, I have a particular problem with at least one section that an FMSF person wrote, Richard Ofshe co-authored a book, "Making Monsters" and he is involved with the Advisory Board of the FMSF. Ofshe was involved with a satanic ritual abuse allegation case in Olympia, Washington. This is the fa mous Paul Ingram case -- Ingram was, I believe , the third highest ranking cop in the Olympia, Washington police force. His daughters and wife were coming forward with allegations about sexual assault and abuse, and some of those allegations shaded into satanic ones. He got arrested, and his arrest was quite disturbing to the Olympia police, his buddies arrested him. They brought in Richard Ofshe because they knew of his work with so-called cults, what they didn't realize was that Ofshe had worked with allegations of forced police confessions. From spending time with the cops, Ofshe got suspicious that they may have been leading Paul Ingram into their questions, so Ofshe met with Paul Ingram and created on the spur of the moment what the literature at the time called "a little experiment". That is to say he made up this story, gave it to Ingram, and then waited to see whether Ingram would create memories around the story. The trouble is the story he made up was close enough to what he had been saying, it could have been true, or at least elements could have been true. When Ofshe reaches the point of writing "Making Monsters", he describes the "little experiment" and it becomes an "experiment" ... that is to say he misrepresents a hunch or the spur of the moment, poorly designed, poorly implemented query that he initiates, and elevates it to the level of a scientific experiment. In fact when a judge was ruling upon one aspect of the case, the judge dismissed Ofshe's "little experiment" for being unprofessional in design. There is a lot about the book one could discuss, but in terms of sociological comments, that goes beyond bordering on misrepresentation about what happened.

Wayne Morris:

Do you know any other information about some of the other people on the FMSF Advisory Board?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

I do know a bit about Ralph Underwager. You have probably gotten the Ralph Underwager story from other people, but Underwager was a so-called expert in hundreds of child abuse cases, always on the side of the defence, that is to say Underwager is the person who would proclaim ideodological difficulties in children's accounts, would proclaim children were too young to know the difference between right and wrong, between lying and telling the truth. He would try to punch holes the prosecution's charges in a number of ways -- and he was testifying in cases around the world.

A couple of things finally happened with Underwager. First, the notorious case in Australia regarding a child abuser, "Mr. Bubbles". The Australian equivalent to the US tv program, Sixty Minutes, did a devastating critique on Underwager's alleged credentials. Around the same time a New England group of social workers commissioned a study by a well-respected psychologist who worked on child abuse and assault and systematically researched the work that Underwager and his wife, Hollida Wakefield, had published and the Underwager-Wakefield scholarship was abysmally bad. It misrepresented facts, statistically it was bad, gave interpretations to minor points in major articles and sometimes misrepresented the points of major articles. Underwager essentially was not doing science. So Underwager as an expert got discredited in many places, although interestingly he still became an expert in the Martensville, Saskatchewan case. More damaging, perhaps, to Underwager's reputation was when he gave an inte rview in a Journal called "Paedika", it's a pedophile journal out of Amsterdam, Holland in which he said peculiar things about the supposed right of pedophiles to show their love to children any way they wanted. Because of that Paedika interview, Underwager was forced to resign from the FMSF Advisory Board. His wife, Hollida Wakefield, as far as I know, is still on the Foundation's Board.

One of the people on the Board whom I know a little bit about, is Dr. Margaret Singer. She had a long history of working with so-called controversial religions, what some people call cults. She testified on behalf of Patty Hearst back in the mid 1970's. Much of Margaret's work has been in the context of supporting parents who had a significant strain with the counter culture movement, in which Margaret was intimately involved -- concerned with helping parents re-establish contact, or, if you will get back their adult children who had converted to contraversial religions. She had done some interviews with alleged satanic abuse people but was not convinced by them. Her involvement on this FMSF Board seems to be part of her continuation of support for parents, a continuation of her work with the so-called cults, and possibly with the Hearst family itself. She is a person on the Board who I suspect is very well intentioned, but she is also a supporter of the family. From evidence I have read about the dynamics of the Freyd family, when the kids were growing up, makes that family clearly dysfunctional. I would question Margaret Singer's judgment through her support of the Freyd parents on this particular instance, regardless of the kind of work she does previously fighting abuse in devious religious or therapeutic contexts.

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hunkahunka

26-12-2009, 12:47 AM

Wayne Morris:

Are you familiar with Dr. Jennifer Freyd's (daughter of Pamela and Peter Freyd who founded the FMSF) recent book, "Betrayal Trauma"? She has a theory around that ... what do you think of it?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

I am aware of it, but can't really comment directly on it. I have a graduate student who just read it, and was really quite impressed by it. What's impressive about what Jennifer has done is that she has taken the personal experience of family tragedy and transformed it into research opportunities. Many of us are in academics because it gives us a vehicle to get at, and engage in the world. It gives us a somewhat systematic and rigorous way to engage in the world. In her case, she is working on very complicated personal issues, but through the rigour of science. As far as the content goes, you would have to rely on other people to get specifics about the content and its accuracy.

Wayne Morris:

We have been talking about cults and other organizations that are allegedly involved in ritual abuse. Can you name any of these groups?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

I am not sure of the groups you have been talking about ... let me say very generally that many of the controversial groups that I hear about are involved in patterned, systematic abuse of their members, often children. People always ask for names and naming groups is always very difficult because of potential lawsuits and whatnot. I can talk about some of the published research that I have done and I most comfortable with this because it is in the public realm already. I had done a study of the leader, founder of The Children of God, now called The Family, David Berg, because the group's doctrines had been highly sexualized. It is impossible to understand this group without appreciating the sexual content of their doctrines ... which essentially come directly from its leader. I had written this account, it had been accepted in the Journal of Research in the Social Scientific Study of Relilgion, was supposed to be published by JAI Press out of Greenwich, Connecticut. The Children of God - The Family - found out about the publication before it came out. They contacted a lawyer in California. The lawyer in California wrote a letter to the publisher, an academic who had not even read the piece, and a group representative himself wrote a letter to the publisher, all insisting that my article not be published, and none of them had even read it. The publisher, Herbert Johnston, did not have liability insurance for his company, and so for fear of a possible lawsuit, he withdrew the article. I had the page proofs in my hands at that time, that's how close the piece was to coming out. What I had argued in the piece was that David Berg himself had gone through some unfortunate sexual experiences himself as a child, that took place in a very restrictive, abusive Christian environment ... a Christian environment that was by no means healthy. It also involved the use of corporal punishment and so on. David Berg had a great deal of sexual confusion, thi s exploded into the theology he developed when he gained control of the group in the late sixties - The Children of God. So, in essence, Berg translated his sexual confusion into group theology. People could pretty much guess what I was going to argue from the title of the article and so the group has essentially carried out academic censorship. Now the article ended up published, but the place where it got published was a far less prestigious journal.

What we often find in cases of controversial religions that abuse, is that these groups do not have independent monitoring agencies or bodies, that is to say the place where abuse is most likely to happen are in independent religious organizations whose leadership controls any kind of overview agencies who might look at any kind of board of directors. Having said that however, we know that clearly there has been a long history of child abuse in churches that have this hierarchical management - the cases of abuse in residential schools by Anglicans, the United Church, and of course, the Catholic Church. What happens in these instances, for example the Catholic Church, is that the organization becomes committed to preserving its own public image and preserving its own financial status. Moreover in the Catholic Church, we've got pressures inside the organization to maintain numbers of priests. There is a problem in North America in getting young men into the priesthood, so to open up the practic es of priests to examination by external agencies threatens the sheer numbers, not to mention image, financial matters, and so on. The Catholic Church in many ways has participated in cover ups of early allegations of abuse and the church very clearly now says these policies have changed but every now and then you hear about very aggressive tactics that lawyers representing the church take for its clients. By no means have you heard the last about abuse within mainstream religious organizations. I have concerns about abuse that may be going on in overseas communities where the public ability to gather information and discuss it is not so nearly well developed. In North America we have a press that, despite a number of rather unfortunate constraints on it, from time to time gets out very good stories. For example the kind of work you are doing now, where people talk about very contraversial issues in a public forum - a lot of countries overseas don't have these kinds of structures.

I know in a number of contraversial groups that I study - groups that have headquarters in overseas countries or ethnically based in overseas countries - many times children from North America end up being sent to a school overseas. When they get sent to these schools overseas, they are separated from their parents, and they are working in environments that have few, if any, external controls. So the possibility of these kids getting abused in these schools is much, much higher than it would be if kids operated in a public school system.

Wayne Morris:

Now I know you have spoken about the involvement of the Masonic Lodge or some members of the Masonic Lodge and allegations towards them of being perpetrators of ritual abuse. Can you talk about how you first received this information?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Early on in my research when people were coming forward with accounts, some accounts appeared about deviant Freemasons - some of the people making allegations were indicating that their fathers had been Freemasons and that somehow their alleged abuse they thought was connected with the Lodge or Freemasons. Occasionally, abuse accounts, and I can't say definitively, but if they were true, seem to have occurred inside Masonic Lodges and so on. I was really quite perplexed by the appearance of Freemasonry in a fairly significant number of accounts. I was not getting any allegations about other kinds of philanthropic or civic groups. I was not getting accounts about Kiwanis or Lions Club or Knights of Columbus or Rotarians or whatnot, it was only allegations about deviances involving Freemasons sometimes in Masonic Lodges. My sense all along is that even if some of these allegations are true, ordinary Masons would be appalled about the allegations I was hearing but nontheless, I was faced with the dilemma of trying to make sense out of what I was hearing. I undertook an investigation about Freemasonry, and I had already published an encyclopedia about Freemasonry several years earlier, in the 2nd edition of the Canadian Encyclopedia so I had some background. What I found is that related to Freemasonry are countless splinter groups involving just men, sometimes women get involved, in traditions involving high ceremonialism, elaborate ritualism and so on. For example if one goes back several generations, one can even find Masonic connections to a group like the Solar Temple. These are people who, I often call them "ritual junkies". They love the pomp and ceremonialism that they see in Freemasonry, but they want to go further with it. Freemasonry does not have a developed sense of a demonic figure in it. There aren't these kinds of rigid satanic vs. god images that appear in Christianity. What I did find however were some mentions of Lucifer, but more importantly the sense in some of the upper level rituals, that God was a threefold character. Jahbulon, Jahweh - 'bul' referring to Jahweh - The Ba'al reference is a reference to pagan gods in the bible, old testament gods who required child sacrifice. Ordinary Masons would talk about the god, Jahbulon, and not really think too much about what they were saying. But it is plauible to me that Masonic deviants, these people I call "ritual junkies", might see in this figure you combine both good and evil, you combine a higher god with a god who requires child sacrifice. It is part of my attempt to come up with a plausibility structure as to why deviant Freemasons may be involved in these kinds of allegations, I found a point of entry, you might say, that would allow deviant practitioners to develop rituals in the context of what they thought could be worship to a higher god.

Wayne Morris:

The people making allegations against certain of these deviant Freemasons - do you have a sense of what positions they held within the Masonic organization, whether they were lower or higher ranking Masons?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

I don't know for sure. I know that some of the people who have made allegations (that haven't been proved) have named fairly high ranking Masons. I also know that some ordinary members hear these allegations and they are in desbelief -- to these Masons, these allegations are part of a long history of persecution towards them because of the secrecy and so on. It is certainly not my intent - I have no axe to grind with Freemasons. It is a peculiar group in the context of issues about women's rights and equality and so on - and so there are ways to discuss Freemasonry in the context of male exclusiveness and so on, but I have no axe to grind with the Freemasons at all. Once I got I challenged on the Masonic issue, I started finding out there are people right around North America who have also made allegations that they have been ritually abused by Freemasons. There are a number of organizations based in the States that specifically insist that deviant Freemasons had abused them. Even in Canada, there is one organization whose leader is absolutely convinced that she is a survivor of deviant Masonic abuse. So when I was able to see t hat the accounts I was getting were part of a l arger North American context, I became even more intrigued with the kinds of specific allegations I had been receiving.

Wayne Morris:

As you said, the Masonic Lodge has had a long history of being persecuted. Is there any indication that the allegations being made against them may be part of some kind of propaganda campaign against the Masonic Lodge?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

I am very wary of so-called information that comes out of a conservative Christian context. A number of conservative Christians see Freemasonry as being involved in forms of the occult and devil worship, so organizations that are related to these conservative groups and the information they put out is highly suspect, so I do my best to stay away from that kind of information. I don't get the sense though from most of my informants that they have these kinds of axes to grind about Freemasonry. They don't seem to be involved in these conservative Christian contexts. Most of them have no interpretative context in which to place their own memories about the Freemasons. For them they feel extremely isolated with these kinds of accounts. They have no sense of other people in North America making these kinds of allegations. I cannot place most of the accounts that I have received in a context of some sort of vengeance against the Masons.

Wayne Morris:

Do you feel that the people you have come in contact with making allegations have any kind of knowledge of what Freemasonry is about?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

I certainly don't get that sense from people. Again, these are people for the most part women, and as you know women are excluded from Masonic ritual and practice, so it wouldn't be impossible for them to gain internal knowledge about Masonic rituals, but it takes a lot of effort. You have to go out and actively seek the information. I just don't get any sense that these people have a vendetta, or at least most of the people, against Freemasonry.

Wayne Morris:

Within the accounts coming from the survivors, do you get the sense that what they are telling you in terms of the rituals, are specifically Masonic, are there specific Masonic elements to the rituals themselves?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

Some of the contents of the rituals seem to take place in Masonic Lodges. Many people talk about alters, many people talk about black and white floors, some people talk about pillars in the ceremonial area, and so on. I have had some people who have had these memories, and try to get a context for them, because their fathers are Masons. They will actually try to get into Masonic Lodges so they can look at them and see if the Lodges have any semblance or similarity to what they are recalling. Ordinary Masons would be appalled at these kinds of things. I have no absolutely no indication that any ordinary Masonic ritual is involved ... anything even close to child abuse. It's the deviants within Freemasonry, and possibly some of these splinter groups that hold the most concern for me. It is entirely plausible for me to imagine that deviant Freemasons would pull some material from some of the extremist writings of Aleister Crowley or take some of his statements about children and sex literally, or take some of his statements about child sacrifice or human sacrifice and take them literally and build rituals around them. The Crowley-ites insisted that he was talking metaphorically, but if it is written down, any tradition is going to have fundamentalists and literalists. People who read it, think it is true, then act upon it.

Wayne Morris:

Are you aware of what the response has been from the Masonic Lodge to the allegations concerning ritual abuse, and has there been any attempt at any kind of internal investigation?

Dr. Stephen Kent:

I am not aware of any kind of internal investigation. I met with some Masons in Thunder Bay and my impression was that what I was talking about was so far from their experience inside Freemasonry, that they couldn't even grasp what I was saying. It would be unfortunate to make judgements based on a meeting of just a couple of hours, but I had no indication that these particular people were involved in any way with what I was hearing. In fact, during the meeting they invited me to explore Freemasonry and I declined the invitation. I think most Freemasons say these allegations are nonsense. I had one practicing Mason contact me, because he was concerned. I had another practicing Mason contact me because he saw me as part of this anti-Masonic movement and thought what I was saying was dangerous and inaccurate. I have had some responses from Freemasons but not a lot. I have some friends, not close friends, who are Masons and this stuff seems to be wholly outside their experience but I have gotten repeated accounts, and they are similar to those from right across North America.

Wayne Morris:

I would like to thank you very much. It has been extremely fascinating talking to you, and thanks for joining us in this radio series.

Dr. Stephen Kent:

It is my pleasure to speak about a very controversial and contentious issue.