Whereof the 'Wake Up' brigade?

[cacadores]

I just thought I'd put this out for discussion.

Like many people, I heard David Icke speak and was impressed by his rhetoric and by much of what he said. He connected things about which I'd had my doubts before, he paralled experiences I've had myself and in particular, emphasised the need to question the media even if they appear to present both sides.

What I got from David Icke, is the need to question what we read and see.
To be more confident in voicing the inconsistancies we've found. And to investigate the idea that the elites of the world might have a centralising agenda.

What I don't need to do is 'Wake up!' I am fully awake, thank you.

What troubles me, is that where Icke himself says that we should question what we're told, a lot people here seem to already have their mind made up.

Where Icke emboldens us to investigate what he says, plenty of people here don't need to because they already 'know' the answers.

Where Icke is careful not be sententious about things for which he has no evidence, there are plenty of people here with gleeful and useless unrestraint.

Where Icke paints the New World Order as a project about which we're only just becoming aquainted and which is yet to be completed, plenty of people here talk about it as if it's already here, and that people who can't see it are 'fools'.

Well, I'm not a 'fool', I'm not a 'peasant', I'm not 'serf', I'm not a 'lackey', there's nothing wrong with my 'sight' and.........I am not......'asleep'!For God's sake.

This world is not black and white: and the need in a lot of people here, who seem to have lurched straight from belief in the mainstream assumptions, to an unquestioning belief in everything that the latest wackey theorist pushes out, is frankly childish.

I don't know everything. How many people here can admit that? Perhaps it's actually very difficult to percieve that there can be two or three versions of events. And to get to know more, I have (as Icke perceptively encourages us) to investigate and to question David Icke!!! It ain't a matter of 'waking up'. It is, (as the journalist in Icke perceptively concludes) about 'joining dots' - many of which don't make much sence.

Why do so many people here ask us to 'wake up' all the time and tell me I'm being fooled?

Isn't that just another way of saying 'I know better than you and you're not using your brain?'Tell me it's not. Why else say it? Either you have the evidence or you don't, and no amouts of pinches on my wrist or cups of coffee is going to change that.

We've got cerebral cortexes people. And there is absolutely nothing to be gained by rejecting the rigid matrix of 'media lies' simply to replace them with a mirror rigid matrix of half-understood quotes from David Icke. Or to automatically believe the opposite of everything you hear on TV just becauae it's on TV.

You don't learn from rejecting one composite world view and replacing it with another. That's ignorance. Icke even says, he 'doesn't care if you believe' him or not - his role is simply to put the information out. The point is, that both can be true.

'Question everything' means to hold the all the realities you encouter at once........as possibilities. Hold the 'reality' you see as one possibility. To look for the diffferent levels of reality. Because, odd as it may seem - the best thing you can do is to question what Icke says (as he himself encourages), Not to to belive him wholesale, unthinkingly, like he's some new religion.

And if anyone else, giving no information and no evidence tells me to 'WAKE UP'.........I.............I'm.....

going to scream at my monitor. Very loudly.

So there;)

[noobcybot]

We all need to remember we are only just starting to get to grips with this concept. Most people will be willing to listen to many ideas about the agenda as long as long as we dont try to come across as ascendant masters of some kind. Even though it can be frustrating to try to get a point across no one is going to believe anyone is on a path to enlightenment with wise guy comments and a patronising attitude. We all need to remember we know nothing.

[cacadores]

Thank you, noobcybot.

I'm not so worried about attitudes, patronising or otherwise because everyone is entitled to them. Rather the fact that one shows the truth by presenting evidence, not slogans.

The black and white world many of us are railing aginst is going to be defeated by a bit of knowledge and imagination. Rather than, er, another them-and-us black and white world.

[deafbred]

I think its pretty vague right now...people are standing in the dark...and some in the light...some keep going back and forth...some stay ..black or white...(light) ...so um I only think that it is going to get more severe in the regards of black verse's white......we will see which "sides" people adhere to. The good or the bad. The light may be small but how GREAT is that light. The blackness may seem like alot but it is powerless against a little light. The light shines and casts all darkness out. The power of the light white is more in the little than any huge amount of black. The darkness does not overcome the light...rather the light overcomes the darkness. ALWAYS. as long as it shines. ...all we gata do is shine people...and not FEAR or be scared..because to do so would invite and feed the powers that be that are of black 'destruction' ...to infiltrate and compromise and stiffle the light that when united...is unconquerable. Cast out the black...do not invite it in. Stand...have confidence. Its all positive in the light white shine.

all judging is like black
all sensuality is of the world and the sense's...we are more than the body.
the body is in the dark if the lamp of the eyes which see are not reflecting the truth in the light. Therefore the whole body won't glow and grow like a plant in photosynthesis. You would not know where you are going. ...Know where you are. Be truthful with yourself and don't lie with your mind to your soul which experiences the mind of deceptions...judgments...---love is endless...it casts out fear...for what does fear have to do with love. that is why eternal life is possible. we are weak though. strengthen what remains, its about to die. ...we got a lot of living to do...make it count. make it shine. we gata grow those around us. lets be those sun's we wanna see. thats the only way it can be done. YOU. 'us' ...NOW... - (no fear) confidence. endless love. let go, flow, be, become, save, yourself and others. FREEdom ---dominate yourselves, conquer yourselves, defeat your enemies through ~Love, its a wave length worth uplifting. u will bring many people to the heights of freedoms on look to understanding, through the power, if you allow it, to flow through you, to effect change for the positive. if u go up...the levels will change for everyone, including the negetive...they will be forced to change their tactics...you will effect their world the game will change...one step closer to wining.

[mari]

The greatest test of one's wisdom is to ask your self 'what do I know?'

The answer, if you are wise is ' nothing'.

[celtic isis]

What I got from David Icke, is the need to question what we read and see.
To be more confident in voicing the inconsistancies we've found. And to investigate the idea that the elites of the world might have a centralising agenda.

What I don't need to do is 'Wake up!' I am fully awake, thank you.

What troubles me, is that where Icke himself says that we should question what we're told, a lot people here seem to already have their mind made up.

Where Icke emboldens us to investigate what he says, plenty of people here don't need to because they already 'know' the answers.

Where Icke is careful not be sententious about things for which he has no evidence, there are plenty of people here with gleeful and useless unrestraint.


Where Icke paints the New World Order as a project about which we're only just becoming aquainted and which is yet to be completed, plenty of people here talk about it as if it's already here, and that people who can't see it are 'fools'.

Well, I'm not a 'fool', I'm not a 'peasant', I'm not 'serf', I'm not a 'lackey', there's nothing wrong with my 'sight' and.........I am not......'asleep'!For God's sake.

This world is not black and white: and the need in a lot of people here, who seem to have lurched straight from belief in the mainstream assumptions, to an unquestioning belief in everything that the latest wackey theorist pushes out, is frankly childish.



Speak for yourself!!

Who's telling you to wake up? If you're here it's a good sign, though i question your motives. Just reading your post(s) i have an extremely bad wave feeling like i know you from somewhere...

Well what you said up there particularly here:


This world is not black and white: and the need in a lot of people here, who seem to have lurched straight from belief in the mainstream assumptions, to an unquestioning belief in everything that the latest wackey theorist pushes out, is frankly childish.

well i put it in brown font cause it's SHITE.

How dare you 'recently joined up at this forum' come here and lump us all into a category (box) you deem fit to put us in. Sorry to burst your bubble hunny but we are a bunch (and widely expanding by the day) of people, from all walks of life, experiences, nationalities, professions etc, who have all had that feeling something isn't right, or have just simply had an experience where they've been woken up to see the world the right way round, the truth (basic truth) was revealed to them at some point, and i can assure you, this is not meant in a nutter 'chosen one' kind of way, i was only 23 when i had this revealed to me (i didn't ask or look for it) and it wasn't through David Icke so there goes your theory of us all taking our 'truth' from him and just blindly following with no where to go but conspiratown.

This isn't about conspiracy, and if you think (believe) that then this is not where you belong. I know your type. You say you don't know it all but your voice within you post there tells a different story.


What if the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, by design and not accident? Well that's the way it is hunny and the sooner you get that into your head the better.

It's a long time i haven't spoken to anyone like this, but you have bad bad waves and an attitude to match.

I see that it is hard to accept that the world leaders people put their fates in each day thinking that they have our best interest at heart when they bomb the life out of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in afghanistan and iraq (but then again, i guess you're one of those who think war=peace and that at least the iraqi people now have freedom and no saddam to terrorise them anymore right?) I'd LOL if it wasn't so disgustingly tragic.

You're obviously a coward, and well we can't do anything about that. Can't find the woods while you're hiding in the trees. Some people just can't handle the truth and so have to resort to denial and attacking those who can face the truth. And who do without following anyone but their own heart.

And it's not about following what icke says (this tried and tested bullshit pathetic throwback time and time again) a lot of us here have done our research, not by reading conspiracy theorists but by our own life journey's, by finding the spiritual knowledge that's kept from the people and monopolised by the elite in question, it's not about being jealous of the elite, it's about doing what's RIGHT and voicing that truth.

You know ufo's maybe bullshit, reptillians maybe bullshit, this, that, and the other might be bullshit but the main picture, is the TRUTH. The fact that the human race continues to be screwed over by a bloodline hierarchial brotherhood fooking elite they needlessly and unknowingly hand their power over to every single day while being plunged into misery upon misery of high taxes, debt, high food, oil, gas (vital commodoties), empty souls bullied by religion destroying their spiritual selves by wracking them with guilt, turning to drink and worse to numb away their pain peddled about and spiritualised in the media by the same elite overlords to glamorise drinking your troubles away, people worked to death just to make ends meet, losing their houses 'erradicating the middle class so only serfs remain, dependant serfs on a central system of government), being at the mercy (in the EU) of a central bank ruining each economy one by one and controlled also by the same elite (incresaing dependancy on ONE economy dictating to the rest) , it's not fooking Mother Nature doing this!!!

It is by design, and to one end, order out of chaos.

You think it would be that hard for the elite to have peace on earth if that is what they wanted, they're well educated right? Then why can't they figure out how to make a fair world? It's pretty simple, just have to share the fruits of the earth with the peoples of the earth FAIRLY. And respect the people's of the earth, and not see them as cattle below your elite self which is exactly how they do think and this is the whole point to the NWO. It's their masterplan, their mastercraft, their ultimate goal, to enslave the human race. We're cattle to them, we don't mean shit.

Now is the time to act. Don't come here to merely pass your wise crackin put downs to shit on us. Cause we're a damn sight higher than you'll ever be in that case.

I'm extremely angry that you wouls assume (when i have yet to meet one member or person in the real world who have looked to find this out or have merely switched their system of 'belief' into one of 'conspiracies' like for a laugh. THIS IS SERIUOS and we take this very serious indeed. For most of us there are years YEARS of unravelling of the ins and outs as a whole, not of evidence, if you get this you feel it in your heart, your wisdom tells you if it's bollox or not!!!

I can tell you one thing - you're not 'one', you're not a light bringer or facer. Stay in the dark where you belong.

[celtic isis]

We all need to remember we are only just starting to get to grips with this concept.

not true of all of us. and some of us may have only been onto this for a few years but it's been super fast, like a wealth of info and changes in your energy, mind and communication capacities like overnight, it's not merely oh, i'm awake now. fuck me lol

[celtic isis]

I'm not so worried about attitudes, patronising or otherwise because everyone is entitled to them. Rather the fact that one shows the truth by presenting evidence, not slogans.



so by your logic, the US government and tony blair can falsify a story (proven with evidance) sorry threat of weapons of mass destruction with the slogan "weapons of mass destruction" to wage a war under the slogan "WAR ON TERROR" (notice the key word terror, not "terrorism", but "war on terror" - does this not sound straight out of the movies to you?) when NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER WAS EVER FOUND OR PRESENTED and as a result he war went ahead killing and maiming hundreds of thousands of people.

Now THAT'S CRAZY!!

[noobcybot]

Where the hell did that come from Isis? Caca made a fair comment and clearly you took personal offence to it.

"I can tell you one thing - you're not 'one', you're not a light bringer or facer. Stay in the dark where you belong."

This is exactly what will drive people away from this movement. Do you think that comment makes you look enlightened in any way? Who are we to tell people if they are a light bringer or not? Like Caca was saying some people are displaying a less than hospitable attitude. Caca didnt say EVERYONE on this site had blindly stumbled in to this and believed it immediately.

[celtic isis]

Where the hell did that come from Isis? Caca made a fair comment and clearly you took personal offence to it.

"I can tell you one thing - you're not 'one', you're not a light bringer or facer. Stay in the dark where you belong."

This is exactly what will drive people away from this movement. Do you think that comment makes you look enlightened in any way? Who are we to tell people if they are a light bringer or not? Like Caca was saying some people are displaying a less than hospitable attitude. Caca didnt say EVERYONE on this site had blindly stumbled in to this and believed it immediately.

i know her, not saying anymore.

[celtic isis]

and cheers for just taking one part of my massive post and 3 posts at that by the way just to say oh how enlightened does this make me look.

And i think i'm the last person who presents an unhospitable attitude on here. I say what i feel. I don't edit. and i don't like this person.

[noobcybot]

Whatever.

[celtic isis]

Whatever.

yes whatever, it wasn't aimed at you.

[noobcybot]

Now you are starting to look unstable.

[celtic isis]

Now you are starting to look unstable.

well you obviously don't know me like the others on here do then! :p

as if i care what you think, i don't have to explain myself to you!

FYI, if i reacted like this to said poster, it's cause i get a bad vibe off her, i could be wrong but i'm sure i know said person from elsewhere. Either way she has the same stance, half praise icke and look open minded when really she's out to knock everything we're about here and label it all conspiracy lunacy. Read her post again.

she's entitled to her opinion, though not good to speak like she knows it all when she doesn't, i'm not saying i do, but she's the one who's tripped over here from mainstream and insulting other people for doing so is a bit ironic.

she needed a telling off.

And where did i say i was enlightened? i never did.

but in my life i am, you'd be harder pressed to find someone as caring as me, who gives her everything to the people she loves and even the ones she hates, i make into friends (in real life), i go out of my way all the time for people even though i get nought back and hurt time after time again. I remember everyone's bdays, even ones who don't ever remember or btoehr about mine and send them cards and presents even though i'm broke, just to let them know i'm thinking about them. Everyone i bump into in daily life come to talk to me or ask me to help them cause i look so friendly and approachable. And i do this after being through the most awful of times all throughout my life up to recent. What do you do?

[celtic isis]

I just thought I'd put this out for discussion.

to cause an arguement.

Like many people, I heard David Icke speak and was impressed by his rhetoric and by much of what he said. He connected things about which I'd had my doubts before, he paralled experiences I've had myself and in particular, emphasised the need to question the media even if they appear to present both sides.


You still don't get it dear.

What I got from David Icke, is the need to question what we read and see.
To be more confident in voicing the inconsistancies we've found. And to investigate the idea that the elites of the world might have a centralising agenda.


Still don't get it! And what 'much of what he said' was that then?

What I don't need to do is 'Wake up!' I am fully awake, thank you.

So what you hollering about then? so you're 'awake', i would beg to differ that you are by what you've said so far but fair enough.

What troubles me, is that where Icke himself says that we should question what we're told, a lot people here seem to already have their mind made up.

Where Icke emboldens us to investigate what he says, plenty of people here don't need to because they already 'know' the answers.

Um, who exactly? Some of us have been on this path a long time and it ain't been easy!!!!!



Where Icke is careful not be sententious about things for which he has no evidence, there are plenty of people here with gleeful and useless unrestraint.

um, this isn't an attack on us here? It sounds like it to me!!!!


Where Icke paints the New World Order as a project about which we're only just becoming aquainted and which is yet to be completed, plenty of people here talk about it as if it's already here, and that people who can't see it are 'fools'.

Again some of us have been aquainted with this for a long long time. This isn't some new trend to keep us occupied and give us points to our lives you know. None of us asked for this.

Well, I'm not a 'fool', I'm not a 'peasant', I'm not 'serf', I'm not a 'lackey', there's nothing wrong with my 'sight' and.........I am not......'asleep'!For God's sake.

Well yes you are actually, in the eyes of the elite, we all are. Of course you can counteract this by developing yourSELF.

This world is not black and white: and the need in a lot of people here, who seem to have lurched straight from belief in the mainstream assumptions, to an unquestioning belief in everything that the latest wackey theorist pushes out, is frankly childish.

Once again a third comment insulting the people here...

I don't know everything.

Finally some sense!!!


How many people here can admit that? Perhaps it's actually very difficult to percieve that there can be two or three versions of events. And to get to know more, I have (as Icke perceptively encourages us) to investigate and to question David Icke!!! It ain't a matter of 'waking up'. It is, (as the journalist in Icke perceptively concludes) about 'joining dots' - many of which don't make much sence.

We know this already!!!!!!

Why do so many people here ask us to 'wake up' all the time and tell me I'm being fooled?

Isn't that just another way of saying 'I know better than you and you're not using your brain?'Tell me it's not. Why else say it? Either you have the evidence or you don't, and no amouts of pinches on my wrist or cups of coffee is going to change that.

It's not, only you're too in your mind box to get it yet and we can't be bothered explaining it to you, i had no one to explain it to me, i was on my own, do it yourself, w're not here to explain it to you, and you obviously don't like us to explain it to you anyway.

We've got cerebral cortexes people. And there is absolutely nothing to be gained by rejecting the rigid matrix of 'media lies' simply to replace them with a mirror rigid matrix of half-understood quotes from David Icke. Or to automatically believe the opposite of everything you hear on TV just becauae it's on TV.

how much of Icke's work have you bothered to read exactly?

You don't learn from rejecting one composite world view and replacing it with another. That's ignorance. Icke even says, he 'doesn't care if you believe' him or not - his role is simply to put the information out. The point is, that both can be true.

Well blow me!



and she wasn't referring to any of us on this forum there?! Even if it wasn't EVERYONE she was referring to it was a pretty broad sweeping spectrum of us. I care about the memebrs on here, more than that, i value them as the wonderful people and friends that they are and i don't like little "noobs" (false ones) thinking they know it all coming here to tell us how pathetic and wrong we all are.

[noobcybot]

well you obviously don't know me like the others on here do then! :p?

So you have a nice little community here, all well and good, but dont start acting like you pay for the forum. It looks very bad when a group of people think they are more entitled to use a forum than others just because they have been there longer.

as if i care what you think, i don't have to explain myself to you!?

Well you clearly do care and patently you do feel the need to explain yourself to me, hence the reply you sent here.

FYI, if i reacted like this to said poster, it's cause i get a bad vibe off her, i could be wrong but i'm sure i know said person from elsewhere. Either way she has the same stance, half praise icke and look open minded when really she's out to knock everything we're about here and label it all conspiracy lunacy. Read her post again.

You're sure are you? So not 100 percent. But its ok to trust your feelings. However I think a personal attack against someone who is clearly starting to search out this topic is OTT especially when you are not 100 percent sure you know this person. You are only going to make people who are coming over from mainstream think that we are all nutjobs and therefore you are making everyone look bad. If she does not understand the concept fully then how about some help and advice you are so adept at dishing out, rather than a rant.

she's entitled to her opinion, though not good to speak like she knows it all when she doesn't, i'm not saying i do, but she's the one who's tripped over here from mainstream and insulting other people for doing so is a bit ironic.

All she said was that some people on here act as though they know everything and try and talk down to others because of this fact. This is a true statement because I and others have felt the same. She did nothing to make it appear like she knows it all, she simply said noone really knows, which is perfectly true.

she needed a telling off.

Again, this is just representative of a higer than thou attitude which makes people in these circles look silly. If you were really worthy of passing judgement (if anyone is ) maybe you wouldant tell people off but maybe try and explain to them where they might be going wrong.

And where did i say i was enlightened? i never did.

When you start to claim you can tell if poeple if they are a light worker or not you certainly put forward this idea or something like it.


but in my life i am, you'd be harder pressed to find someone as caring as me, who gives her everything to the people she loves and even the ones she hates, i make into friends (in real life), i go out of my way all the time for people even though i get nought back and hurt time after time again. I remember everyone's bdays, even ones who don't ever remember or btoehr about mine and send them cards and presents even though i'm broke, just to let them know i'm thinking about them. Everyone i bump into in daily life come to talk to me or ask me to help them cause i look so friendly and approachable. And i do this after being through the most awful of times all throughout my life up to recent. What do you do?

Yeah, you may be all of those things, in fact I will take your word for it even though I dont know you. Even though I have found people with these ideas that they are rediculously nice despite hardships in their life tend to be exaggerating to a degree. So well done for being a good person, but your posts on this thread seem strangely hostile and full of anger. Thats the reason for me saying "Where did that come from Isis?", look at your first post on this thread and ask yourself did you take some of the things Caca said out of context.

In any case the fact is what Caca said is true, I agree with it, and if you take a look around many people on this site have noticed the same thing and posted about it. If you dont like it fine, but the fact is that the way some people communicate on this site is less than forward thinking and detrimental to getting concepts that are difficult to grasp across to newcomers.

[littlemisspunkyfish]

Hey folks, I can't seem to get a hang of this quote thing yet so Im replying in reference to the general discussion.
Im relatively new here compared to alot im sure. But that dosent mean I havent been aware about some of these theorys before I knew about David Ickes forum. Or that I have less right to voice my opinion (now that I found a sounding board!)
I agree we need to question EVERYTHING...including David Icke. As, brave and great a soul he is (in my opinion) surely he cannot know EVERYTHING. We all need to play our part.:)
He has given us his own groundwork and now we can make of it what we will. There is something Im certain on, coz Ive tested it out alot by the hints in conversations I ve had.... Even regular Joe is becoming suspicious. I mean 'regular Joe' by the general public I meet, (that isnt meant to sound degrading.)
I think the term 'wake up' is'nt meant to sound annoying but I dont think everyone means it literally. Its just at term which is proably overused.
I think maybe 'aware' would be more pc....but I dont think THAT fits in here does it? .....between us on here arguing isnt the way forward. And I think Celtic just needs a hug- people deal with all these things that are goin on in the world differently- -thank the proverbial God we still can right now.
x

[celtic isis]

So you have a nice little community here, all well and good, but dont start acting like you pay for the forum. It looks very bad when a group of people think they are more entitled to use a forum than others just because they have been there longer.



Well you clearly do care and patently you do feel the need to explain yourself to me, hence the reply you sent here.



You're sure are you? So not 100 percent. But its ok to trust your feelings. However I think a personal attack against someone who is clearly starting to search out this topic is OTT especially when you are not 100 percent sure you know this person. You are only going to make people who are coming over from mainstream think that we are all nutjobs and therefore you are making everyone look bad. If she does not understand the concept fully then how about some help and advice you are so adept at dishing out, rather than a rant.



All she said was that some people on here act as though they know everything and try and talk down to others because of this fact. This is a true statement because I and others have felt the same. She did nothing to make it appear like she knows it all, she simply said noone really knows, which is perfectly true.



Again, this is just representative of a higer than thou attitude which makes people in these circles look silly. If you were really worthy of passing judgement (if anyone is ) maybe you wouldant tell people off but maybe try and explain to them where they might be going wrong.



When you start to claim you can tell if poeple if they are a light worker or not you certainly put forward this idea or something like it.




Yeah, you may be all of those things, in fact I will take your word for it even though I dont know you. Even though I have found people with these ideas that they are rediculously nice despite hardships in their life tend to be exaggerating to a degree. So well done for being a good person, but your posts on this thread seem strangely hostile and full of anger. Thats the reason for me saying "Where did that come from Isis?", look at your first post on this thread and ask yourself did you take some of the things Caca said out of context.

In any case the fact is what Caca said is true, I agree with it, and if you take a look around many people on this site have noticed the same thing and posted about it. If you dont like it fine, but the fact is that the way some people communicate on this site is less than forward thinking and detrimental to getting concepts that are difficult to grasp across to newcomers.

ONE BIG YAWN.

Where did she say 'some' members then?

[celtic isis]

If you dont like it fine, but the fact is that the way some people communicate on this site is less than forward thinking and detrimental to getting concepts that are difficult to grasp across to newcomers.

well i never had any prob when i arrived here, cause i did/had done my own working it out, i don't think i ever bogged down anyone on here asking them to explain the whole deal to me.

don't you take any consideration for us awakened for awhile folks, how hard it is for us in our daily lives and then having remarks such as caca (meaning shite in french) made?

Where do you get that she's trying to learn about this from what she said?!

She should go back and read some actual books, get a good idea of the picture and then make her remarks.

[celtic isis]

[QUOTE=noobcybot;428509]So you have a nice little community here, all well and good, but dont start acting like you pay for the forum. It looks very bad when a group of people think they are more entitled to use a forum than others just because they have been there longer.
/QUOTE]

And where would you get that from what i said?

i only said you obviously don't know me like the others do.

obviously i'm angry on this thread cause it makes me angry!!! no respect for members from a noob!!!

[celtic isis]

Either you have the evidence or you don't, and no amouts of pinches on my wrist or cups of coffee is going to change that.[/B]

And there is absolutely nothing to be gained by rejecting the rigid matrix of 'media lies' simply to replace them with a mirror rigid matrix of half-understood quotes from David Icke. Or to automatically believe the opposite of everything you hear on TV just becauae it's on TV.

You don't learn from rejecting one composite world view and replacing it with another. That's ignorance. Icke even says, he 'doesn't care if you believe' him or not - his role is simply to put the information out. The point is, that both can be true.

'Question everything' means to hold the all the realities you encouter at once........as possibilities. Hold the 'reality' you see as one possibility. To look for the diffferent levels of reality. Because, odd as it may seem - the best thing you can do is to question what Icke says (as he himself encourages), Not to to belive him wholesale, unthinkingly, like he's some new religion.

And if anyone else, giving no information and no evidence tells me to 'WAKE UP'.........I.............I'm.....

going to scream at my monitor. Very loudly.

So there;)

nice. :rolleyes:

[noobcybot]

And clearly no respect for noobs from some members. It works both ways.
Only we need more people involved, they dont need us remember, they can go about their lives happily. We should nurture everyone who comes here, not use them to vent our frustrations on.
I suggest you find a more posative outlet for your anger.

[celtic isis]

And clearly no respect for noobs from some members. It works both ways.
Only we need more people involved, they dont need us remember, they can go about their lives happily. We should nurture everyone who comes here, not use them to vent our frustrations on.
I suggest you find a more posative outlet for your anger.

And i'd like to see you over at the newbie thread welcoming them as i have done.

get off your high horse!!! i wasn't aiming any of this at you, i am entitled to say what i feel on this particular thread aren't i?

I am not using caca to vent my frustration on, i was replying (with honesty) what the f i thought of her comments!!!

:rolleyes:

and you have been pretty nasty in your posts to me when i haven't been to you, at least not in the same league as you have been.

who do you think you are? i've been here a damn sight longer than you.

[montag]

Because, odd as it may seem - the best thing you can do is to question what Icke says (as he himself encourages), Not to to belive him wholesale, unthinkingly, like he's some new religion.


You must be new to this forum cacadores because just a brief look around here you'll find that many people actively disagree with a lot of what Icke says, rarely will you find anyone agree with him wholeheartedly. I don't agree with him on many things, but through my own research I've come to many of the same conclusions he has. The term being awake which so irks you relates more to a shift in consciousness, waking up to the reality that most of what we have been taught as history is a lie or at best a distortion, but it is also an awaking of self in a spiritual sense and this I believe is the most crucial part of Davids teaching, that we are not the body computer but infinite consciousness. This of course is not unique to David but is age old knowledge that has always been available to those who seek it out.

Now back to the conspiracy angle, what I believe to be the greatest conspiracy is the war against spirit and keeping us in ignorance of our true nature, our birthright. The only way it is possible for the few to control the many is to have us believe either one of two things, firstly that there is an almighty judgmental God watching our every movement and aware of all our thoughts and if we are moved to 'sin' then we may lose our place in the queue to Heaven and possibly be Hell bound. Or alternatively and more common now, that is that we are just another animal, there is no such thing as spiritual truths, we've merely just descended from the primordial slime and are just biological robots. This is a war on humanity and the spirit, it's this realization plus the the realization of self that has been the catalyst of awakening for me and many others here on this forum.

[celtic isis]

You must be new to this forum cacadores because just a brief look around here you'll find that many people here actively disagree with a lot of what Icke says, rarely will you find anyone agree with him wholeheartedly. I don't agree with him on many things, but through my own research I've come to many of the same conclusions he has. The term being awake which so irks you relates more to a shift in consciousness, waking up to the reality that most of what we have been taught as history is a lie or at best a distortion, but it is also an awaking of self in a spiritual sense and this I believe is the most crucial part of Davids teaching, that we are not the body computer but infinite consciousness. This of course is not unique to David but is age old knowledge that has always been available to those who seek it out.

Now back to the conspiracy angle, what I believe to be the greatest conspiracy is the war against spirit and keeping us in ignorance of our true nature, our birthright. The only way it is possible for the few to control the many is to have us believe either one of two things, firstly that there is an almighty judgmental God watching our every movement and aware of all our thoughts and if we are moved to 'sin' then we may lose our place in the queue to Heaven and possibly be Hell bound. And secondly and more common now, that is that we are just another animal, there is no such thing as spiritual truths, we've merely just descended from the primordial slime and we are just biological robots. Everything stems from that in my belief, it's a war on humanity and the spirit, and this realization is what cause me to awake from my previous life.

thank you montag :) i thought i was going nuts! well said/explained.

however, i will apologise, i went too far (too damn passionate it's my weakpoint rather than strength)...so sorry!!!!

I still think i'm right though :p she was insulting us!!!! and isn't a geunine noob. she's here to point out every crack!!!

ya see i can't even sleep now lol!!!

caca so apparently you're awake..so welcome to the club, get down to your researching and leave your snarky comments out of it!!!

[montag]

thank you montag :) i thought i was going nuts! well said/explained.

however, i will apologise, i went too far (too damn passionate it's my weakpoint rather than strength)...so sorry!!!!

Thats ok celtic, no need to apologize for being passionate.:)

What needs to be understood is that in some ways cacadores is correct with her OP, at least correct in the sense that that is how she sees the world as your beliefs create your reality(as the controllers well know), it's also a belief that is the consensus of the mainstream and I can respect that, even though I disagree. This is something I've had to work on myself, that is not taking this kind of view too personally. I long a go decided I didn't need conformation off others to confirm my own beliefs and have allowed others to express free will by having their own.

One thing I think we can all agree on in the OP is that all we have are our beliefs and opinions, and at the end of the day most of us don't know much at all of anything about this amazing ride we call life.:)

[celtic isis]

One thing I think we can all agree on in the OP is that all we have are our beliefs and opinions, and at the end of the day most of us don't know much at all of anything about this amazing ride we call life.:)

so true :)

i just didn't like the phrasing of caca's comments, and to me doesn't look like a genuine person open to learn, no post on the newbie thread or anything...

she was out to insult, pure and simple.

[montag]

so true :)

i just didn't like the phrasing of caca's comments, and to me doesn't look like a genuine person open to learn, no post on the newbie thread or anything...

she was out to insult, pure and simple.
Maybe so, but she didn't do a very good job of it IMO..;)

[celtic isis]

Maybe so, but she didn't do a very good job of it IMO..;)

haha :D she worked on me though, doh!

oh well...taught me a lesson about my ego...;)

[celtic isis]

Speak for yourself!!

Who's telling you to wake up? If you're here it's a good sign, though i question your motives. Just reading your post(s) i have an extremely bad wave feeling like i know you from somewhere...

Well what you said up there particularly here:


This world is not black and white: and the need in a lot of people here, who seem to have lurched straight from belief in the mainstream assumptions, to an unquestioning belief in everything that the latest wackey theorist pushes out, is frankly childish.

well i put it in brown font cause it's SHITE.

How dare you 'recently joined up at this forum' come here and lump us all into a category (box) you deem fit to put us in. Sorry to burst your bubble hunny but we are a bunch (and widely expanding by the day) of people, from all walks of life, experiences, nationalities, professions etc, who have all had that feeling something isn't right, or have just simply had an experience where they've been woken up to see the world the right way round, the truth (basic truth) was revealed to them at some point, and i can assure you, this is not meant in a nutter 'chosen one' kind of way, i was only 23 when i had this revealed to me (i didn't ask or look for it) and it wasn't through David Icke so there goes your theory of us all taking our 'truth' from him and just blindly following with no where to go but conspiratown.

This isn't about conspiracy, and if you think (believe) that then this is not where you belong. I know your type. You say you don't know it all but your voice within you post there tells a different story.


What if the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, by design and not accident? Well that's the way it is hunny and the sooner you get that into your head the better.

It's a long time i haven't spoken to anyone like this, but you have bad bad waves and an attitude to match.

I see that it is hard to accept that the world leaders people put their fates in each day thinking that they have our best interest at heart when they bomb the life out of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in afghanistan and iraq (but then again, i guess you're one of those who think war=peace and that at least the iraqi people now have freedom and no saddam to terrorise them anymore right?) I'd LOL if it wasn't so disgustingly tragic.

You're obviously a coward, and well we can't do anything about that. Can't find the woods while you're hiding in the trees. Some people just can't handle the truth and so have to resort to denial and attacking those who can face the truth. And who do without following anyone but their own heart.

And it's not about following what icke says (this tried and tested bullshit pathetic throwback time and time again) a lot of us here have done our research, not by reading conspiracy theorists but by our own life journey's, by finding the spiritual knowledge that's kept from the people and monopolised by the elite in question, it's not about being jealous of the elite, it's about doing what's RIGHT and voicing that truth.

You know ufo's maybe bullshit, reptillians maybe bullshit, this, that, and the other might be bullshit but the main picture, is the TRUTH. The fact that the human race continues to be screwed over by a bloodline hierarchial brotherhood fooking elite they needlessly and unknowingly hand their power over to every single day while being plunged into misery upon misery of high taxes, debt, high food, oil, gas (vital commodoties), empty souls bullied by religion destroying their spiritual selves by wracking them with guilt, turning to drink and worse to numb away their pain peddled about and spiritualised in the media by the same elite overlords to glamorise drinking your troubles away, people worked to death just to make ends meet, losing their houses 'erradicating the middle class so only serfs remain, dependant serfs on a central system of government), being at the mercy (in the EU) of a central bank ruining each economy one by one and controlled also by the same elite (incresaing dependancy on ONE economy dictating to the rest) , it's not fooking Mother Nature doing this!!!

It is by design, and to one end, order out of chaos.

You think it would be that hard for the elite to have peace on earth if that is what they wanted, they're well educated right? Then why can't they figure out how to make a fair world? It's pretty simple, just have to share the fruits of the earth with the peoples of the earth FAIRLY. And respect the people's of the earth, and not see them as cattle below your elite self which is exactly how they do think and this is the whole point to the NWO. It's their masterplan, their mastercraft, their ultimate goal, to enslave the human race. We're cattle to them, we don't mean shit.

Now is the time to act. Don't come here to merely pass your wise crackin put downs to shit on us. Cause we're a damn sight higher than you'll ever be in that case.

I'm extremely angry that you wouls assume (when i have yet to meet one member or person in the real world who have looked to find this out or have merely switched their system of 'belief' into one of 'conspiracies' like for a laugh. THIS IS SERIUOS and we take this very serious indeed. For most of us there are years YEARS of unravelling of the ins and outs as a whole, not of evidence, if you get this you feel it in your heart, your wisdom tells you if it's bollox or not!!!

I can tell you one thing - you're not 'one', you're not a light bringer or facer. Stay in the dark where you belong.

you know, bar the last line, i don't think what i said up there was that bad?

:)

[celtic isis]

Hey folks, I can't seem to get a hang of this quote thing yet so Im replying in reference to the general discussion.
Im relatively new here compared to alot im sure. But that dosent mean I havent been aware about some of these theorys before I knew about David Ickes forum. Or that I have less right to voice my opinion (now that I found a sounding board!)
I agree we need to question EVERYTHING...including David Icke. As, brave and great a soul he is (in my opinion) surely he cannot know EVERYTHING. We all need to play our part.:)
He has given us his own groundwork and now we can make of it what we will. There is something Im certain on, coz Ive tested it out alot by the hints in conversations I ve had.... Even regular Joe is becoming suspicious. I mean 'regular Joe' by the general public I meet, (that isnt meant to sound degrading.)
I think the term 'wake up' is'nt meant to sound annoying but I dont think everyone means it literally. Its just at term which is proably overused.
I think maybe 'aware' would be more pc....but I dont think THAT fits in here does it? .....between us on here arguing isnt the way forward. And I think Celtic just needs a hug- people deal with all these things that are goin on in the world differently- -thank the proverbial God we still can right now.
x

thanks hun, sorry i missed your post while hollering! slapped myself on wrist! :o

[celtic isis]

'WAKE UP' BRIGADE...???

Let me speak in your language. Take your pick.

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[celtic isis]

Let me speak in your language. Take your pick.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5104/handbagsfe3.jpg

look, cacadores and noobycybot, i'm coming back to apologise (as i always do anyway) sorry if i went overboard, and i hope new people arriving here won't be scared by my comments...i had no right at all actually to put what i did and react the way i did and i regret it.

i'm still learning too.

[pheony]

As someone who has only in the last 6months or so started checking out different sites and forums, mainly because i didnt have a computer. I have been well aware for many many years that things are not as they seem. I have read all of David Ickes books and many more by different authors, so please dont think that just because i have only recently joined that i might not be as enlightened as someone who has been posting for a long time. The same respect should be given to everyone.

[celtic isis]

As someone who has only in the last 6months or so started checking out different sites and forums, mainly because i didnt have a computer. I have been well aware for many many years that things are not as they seem. I have read all of David Ickes books and many more by different authors, so please dont think that just because i have only recently joined that i might not be as enlightened as someone who has been posting for a long time. The same respect should be given to everyone.

yeah but not with an attitude as cacadores had! don't know why everyone sticks up for her! she plainly made sweeping insults to us other members.

anyway thank you for that :rolleyes:

[oceanwave]

'Question everything' means to hold the all the realities you encouter at once........as possibilities. Hold the 'reality' you see as one possibility. To look for the diffferent levels of reality. Because, odd as it may seem - the best thing you can do is to question what Icke says (as he himself encourages), Not to to belive him wholesale, unthinkingly, like he's some new religion.

except the moderation on his forum

:D

;) (to the mods)

[celtic isis]

except the moderation on his forum

:D

;) (to the mods)

:eek::o

hold your horses everyone cacadores is about to come back ;) ooh i love that current activity thingy...see she doesn't even give a toss about this thread however...

[cacadores]

Thanks for your replies people. I thought it was clear enough that my objection was just against the people who intolorantly tell us to
WAKE UP!!!!
not against anyone else and I'm disappointed if anyone took it otherwise.:) I even got called ''a mason'' on one topic :rolleyes: but I'm not talking about that. There's an arrogance in the words ''wake up'' I percieved and after scanning a few posts where those shouted instructions appear, my opinion is that they're detrimental to the topic, to the spread of Icke's ideas and to the discussion. That's all. We shouldn't be afraid of a little critisism when we're going wrong, should we? I have written on other threads and added a fair amount of reseached information, so I hope you don't think I should feel abashed about pointing out arrogance when it appears!:) As long as I can take critisism myself. I hope.


I think its pretty vague right now...
..all we gata do is shine people...
Stand...have confidence. Its all positive in the light white shine.
...you will effect their world the game will change...one step closer to winingEven this I can understand and appreciate because you're talking about our attitude to what's around us and there's a lot of truth in what you say. Personally, I think there are times for judgement and for sifting evidence too, because modern life forces us to take account of things we can't see: like the Government and who makes the laws that restrict or protect us and we have to use our capasity to predict. However, I think everyone SHOULD be able to do what you suggest sometimes too. Thank you.

except the moderation on his forum
;) (to the mods)This means?

look, cacadores and noobycybot, i'm coming back to apologise (as i always do anyway) sorry if i went overboard, and i hope new people arriving here won't be scared by my comments...i had no right at all actually to put what i did and react the way i did and i regret it.i'm still learning too.Well that's all right - it was interesting what you wrote! And nice handbags by the way.

who do you think you are? i've been here a damn sight longer than you.I realise this wasn't directed at me. I wonder how the length of time we've been in front of a computer monitor has a bearing on the validity of our opinions?:)

[QUOTE]
obviously i'm angry on this thread cause it makes me angry!!! no respect for members from a noob!!!You might think about what you mean by 'respect' since I wasn't railing against members. I was railing against people who tell me to 'WAKE UP!!!' Why not let's recall that Gandhi quote about 'truth', that Icke is so fond of?:)

Here's another one from another thread:rolleyes:

Do you really think David Icke is a stand alone anti Mason??? Hardly. Why would his son's music band be called 'Tel Aviv' and release an album/song called 'Helen Keller' (or vice versa) ????
THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE and WAKE UP!!!

[celtic isis]

Thanks for your replies people.



fine caca you think you know me and fine. you may wish to be clearer in future however.

i wish you luck.

and you may want to refrain from referring to members here as simply "people".

[mightiswrong]

Cacadores WAKE THE FUCK UP! :p

[cacadores]

fine caca you think you know me and fine. you may wish to be clearer in future however.
i wish you luck. and you may want to refrain from referring to members here as simply "people".Are we not 'people'? Is there a more Politically Correct term I should use? Are some members not people?
Anyway, thank you. You may wish to be calmer in future, cheeky person.:)
oooopse, er....
Member.:rolleyes:

[cacadores]

The term being awake which so irks you relates more to a shift in consciousness, waking up to the reality that most of what we have been taught as history is a lie or at best a distortion, but it is also an awaking of self in a spiritual sense.....
But we don't suddenly 'wake up' to it, do we? We learn and it's a process, as you youself have indicated. Nor is shouting WAKE UP!!! at someone going to suddenly make them see the 'light', is it. And if that were true you'd expect to see it used in a discriptive or informative sense. Which it isn't. So I find that hard to believe. Have a look at the context of it: allways an imperative (or instruction), always by someone who is low on evidence and often in capitals with explanation marks at the end.

If you are spiritually sensitive, you must surely sense the frustration and the 'I know better than you' admonition of the wanna-be fanatic there?

Oh well. Here's another one

Time to wake up

but I think it was ironic:)

[montag]

But we don't suddenly 'wake up' to it, do we? We learn and it's a process, as you youself have indicated. Nor is shouting WAKE UP!!! at someone going to suddenly make them see the 'light', is it. And if that were true you'd expect to see it used in a discriptive or informative sense. Which it isn't. So I find that hard to believe. Have a look at the context of it: allways an imperative (or instruction), always by someone who is low on evidence and often in capitals with explanation marks at the end.

If you are spiritually sensitive, you must surely sense the frustration and the 'I know better than you' admonition of the wanna-be fanatic there?

We do wake up in stages, thats correct. I think what you are referring to though with people shouting 'WAKE UP' is more a turn of phrase and very different to what I was referring too.

[celtic isis]

If you are spiritually sensitive, you must surely sense the frustration and the 'I know better than you' admonition of the wanna-be fanatic there?


well that's cheered me up no end :rolleyes: i'm assuming you're referring to me there? Maybe you should aquaint yourself with some of my threads etc on here and then cell me a wannabe fanatic.

And maybe you should put aside all this evidence you keep banging on about, the evidence is first within yourself, secondly when you look at the world (society) around you and thirdly read some books on this subject by reputable authors.

then maybe possibly, one day you will truly be awake.

Right now you're just grasping at straws in denial.

[cacadores]

well that's cheered me up no end :rolleyes: i'm assuming you're referring to me there? Maybe you should aquaint yourself with some of my threads etc on here and then cell me a wannabe fanatic.

And maybe you should put aside all this evidence you keep banging on about, the evidence is first within yourself, secondly when you look at the world (society) around you and thirdly read some books on this subject by reputable authors.

then maybe possibly, one day you will truly be awake.

Right now you're just grasping at straws in denial.
OK!:eek:

''cell me a wannabe fanatic''. By misinterpreting the words, you've made an incorrect assumption.

''And maybe you should put aside all this evidence you keep banging on about''No evidence?!!!!! YOU'RE KIDDING!!!!
If it's true, you can refer to it as evidence. If there's no evidence, you're simply left with lies.

''the evidence is first within yourself,''But you just said I'm to put evidence ''aside'':rolleyes:

''secondly when you look at the world (society) around you''This is part of a noun-phrase left unfinished. And how can we 'look' at a theoretical concept like 'society'? It's wooly.

''thirdly read some books on this subject by reputable authors.''You're assuming I haven't? And implying you have to make yourself look more knowlegeable? Isn't that your intention?

''then maybe possibly, one day you will truly be awake''.I am awake. I woke up this morning and will be asleep after I go to bed. The phrase is simply trying to imply you know more than me. Is that believable?

''Right now you're just grasping at straws in denial.''''Straws'' of what? ''Denial''' of what? Let's call a spade a spade: it's just a gratuitous insult, right?

Let me share with you this: I believe you've let your ego intervene and we are mearly witnessing your defense of it. That's what I believe....and I could be wrong.

I might disagree with what you said - but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. (Voltaire)

You might instead consider that the sharing of ideas and information, just might be a positive concept:)

What do you think?:)