Jesus paid taxes. What a SURPRISE !

[steevo]

Question: What Does the Bible Say About Paying Taxes?

Did Jesus pay taxes? What did Jesus teach his disciples about paying taxes? We will see that the Bible is very clear on this issue.

Answer:

First, let's answer the question, "Did Jesus pay taxes?"
In Matthew 17:24-27 we learn that Jesus did indeed pay taxes:

After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?"
"Yes, he does," he replied.

When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. "What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own sons or from others?"

"From others," Peter answered.

"Then the sons are exempt," Jesus said to him. "But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours." (NIV)

The gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke each tell of another account, when the Pharisees tried to trap Jesus in his words, and find a reason to accuse him. In Matthew 22:15-22 we read:
Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"
But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away. (NIV)

This same incident is also recorded in Mark 12:13-17 and Luke 20:20-26.

So the gospels leave no doubt that Jesus taught his followers not only in words, but by example, to give to the government any taxes that are owed.

In Romans 13:1, Paul brings further clarification to this concept, along with an even broader responsibility to Christians:

"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." (NIV)
Therefore, we can conclude from this verse, if we don't pay taxes we are rebelling against the authorities established by God.
Romans 13:2 gives this warning:

"Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves." (NIV)
And finally, regarding the paying of taxes, Paul couldn't make it any clearer in Romans 13:5-7:

Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Source (http://christianity.about.com/od/faqhelpdesk/f/biblepayingtax.htm)

[brenbren]

what a joke!

[mahabaratara]

NIV...

Yeah its the font of truth...

Ppppppppppppppppppppffffffffffffftttttttttttt....

[chipstyxx]

Yeah, not a surprise that the bible teaches us to bow down to our masters! I like how the second example is very specific and clearly states that people should submit to any authority as it is god's will. What ever happened to the brains that god created us with? If the biblical god created us in his image, surely that means he would be a fearful, subservient, non questioning plankton.

However, I think Jesus had a slight advantage in being able to summon money bearing fish at will - yet again it's one rule for the son of god and another for the rest of us.:D

[kblood]

Jesus did not exactly need to summon money to be able to pay taxes, they were quite rich, but didnt spend any of the wealth unless it was needed.

I think it mostly came from people asking them to accept donations, and so they took them. Not as payment for healing or something like that.

Problem is I dont know where to find any written proof of this, thats just the way I heard it.

[darketernal]

Yeah, not a surprise that the bible teaches us to bow down to our masters! I like how the second example is very specific and clearly states that people should submit to any authority as it is god's will. What ever happened to the brains that god created us with? If the biblical god created us in his image, surely that means he would be a fearful, subservient, non questioning plankton.

However, I think Jesus had a slight advantage in being able to summon money bearing fish at will - yet again it's one rule for the son of god and another for the rest of us.:D


What? A slave religion is teaching its followers to be slaves? What are the odds?

[cheeb]

What? A slave religion is teaching its followers to be slaves? What are the odds?

1 Billion To One...

The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God (Arabic: الله, Allāh). An adherent of Islam is known as a Muslim, meaning "one who submits [to God]". There are between 1 billion to 1.8 billion Muslims, making Islam the second-largest religion in the world, after Christianity.

Luke 20:19-26

[19] The teachers of the law and the chief priests looked for a way to arrest him immediately, because they knew he had spoken this parable against them. But they were afraid of the people.

[20] Keeping a close watch on him, they sent spies, who pretended to be honest. They hoped to catch Jesus in something he said so that they might hand him over to the power and authority of the governor. [21] So the spies questioned him: "Teacher, we know that you speak and teach what is right, and that you do not show partiality but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. [22] Is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"

[23] He saw through their duplicity and said to them, [24] "Show me a denarius. Whose portrait and inscription are on it?"

[25] "Caesar's," they replied.

He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

[26] They were unable to trap him in what he had said there in public. And astonished by his answer, they became silent.

Render To Ceaser,
What Belongs To Ceaser,
And Give To God What Is His.....

:eek:

[darketernal]

1 Billion To One...

The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God (Arabic: الله, Allāh). An adherent of Islam is known as a Muslim, meaning "one who submits [to God]". There are between 1 billion to 1.8 billion Muslims, making Islam the second-largest religion in the world, after Christianity.

Luke 20:19-26

[19] The teachers of the law and the chief priests looked for a way to arrest him immediately, because they knew he had spoken this parable against them. But they were afraid of the people.

[20] Keeping a close watch on him, they sent spies, who pretended to be honest. They hoped to catch Jesus in something he said so that they might hand him over to the power and authority of the governor. [21] So the spies questioned him: "Teacher, we know that you speak and teach what is right, and that you do not show partiality but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. [22] Is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"

[23] He saw through their duplicity and said to them, [24] "Show me a denarius. Whose portrait and inscription are on it?"

[25] "Caesar's," they replied.

He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

[26] They were unable to trap him in what he had said there in public. And astonished by his answer, they became silent.

Render To Ceaser,
What Belongs To Ceaser,
And Give To God What Is His.....

:eek:

As typical of your responses, I have no idea what you just said. LoL

[cheeb]

As typical of your responses, I have no idea what you just said. LoL

I Said Nothing,
I Quoted The Prophets And The Scripture...

:rolleyes:

[darketernal]

I Said Nothing,
I Quoted The Prophets And The Scripture...

:rolleyes:

I do not accept the scriptures as truth. He commands you to be a slave in what you just quoted.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

Jesus Christ, Sun of god.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_nojesus.html

[john white]

The gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke each tell of another account, when the Pharisees tried to trap Jesus in his words, and find a reason to accuse him. In Matthew 22:15-22 we read:
Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"
But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away. (NIV)

Before we get too excited, lets look at this another way

What is that which is man's?

That which is temporary and transitory

What is that which is God's?

That which is eternal and everlasting

Which has the true value? Which is the REAL wealth?

Jesus's answer in this story says that which is man's (materialism, physical wealth, rulership, ownership, illusion, "society") is meaningless compared to that which focus on God and the true wealth of consciousness

So of COURSE give unto Ceaser that which is Ceaser's if it keeps him happy and off the common peoples backs with his soldiers swords NOT being stabbed into their guts: why not? Sure we would rather there was not a Ceaser and the people were free: but if that day is not this day why give a psycopath the excuse to indulge in oppression and carnage?

That which is Ceaser's is valueless and of no consequence

Compared to the wealth of God consciousness, Ceaser can only be pitied for his poverty: a shack in Heaven is worth a thousand thousand imperial palaces

In fact: who needs the shack?

[walsingham]

I do not accept the scriptures as truth. He commands you to be a slave in what you just quoted.

Hello Mr. Darketernal, That might be because you are profane?

Those who Seek the True Light receive and those that dismiss and bitch do not, It's quite easy to understand the passage but of course it wasn't meant for your eyes?

[darketernal]

Hello Mr. Darketernal, That might be because you are profane?

Those who Seek the True Light receive and those that dismiss and bitch do not, It's quite easy to understand the passage but of course it wasn't meant for your eyes?

Seek the true light.... what are you a freemason too? Your choice of terms would suggest that you are. I'll make my position very clear then, I believe there was no Jesus Christ. He is purely a fictional character created by your religion, which is nothing more than a collection of Egyptian and Babylonian religious practices... which were given to humanity as a system of mind control to limit and control the minds and spiritual potential of humanity on this planet. I've got zero use for the filthy slave doctrines in the Bible. I do however believe you have every right to chose slavery, and I respect your right to do so, and hold no hatred in my heart towards you or any other Christian or Freemason, even though I do not approve of the negative energy your religion supports.

[majicdragon]

They laugh knowing that they are forcing the worship of lucifer through the worship of Jesus.

Yes. Google "jesus is lucifer" to find out for yourself.

the light. The son of the morning. the morning star.

[mahabaratara]

The Sun and the Morning Star (Venus) are quite obviously not the same...

I do think they knew the difference...

As for any misunderstanding thats Romans for you...

[john white]

Seek the true light.... what are you a freemason too? Your choice of terms would suggest that you are. I'll make my position very clear then, I believe there was no Jesus Christ. He is purely a fictional character created by your religion, which is nothing more than a collection of Egyptian and Babylonian religious practices... which were given to humanity as a system of mind control to limit and control the minds and spiritual potential of humanity on this planet. I've got zero use for the filthy slave doctrines in the Bible. I do however believe you have every right to chose slavery, and I respect your right to do so, and hold no hatred in my heart towards you or any other Christian or Freemason, even though I do not approve of the negative energy your religion supports.

So, just because I'm wondering... does that mean you pay taxes?

In your opinion was the character in the story being wise or not?

[darketernal]

So, just because I'm wondering... does that mean you pay taxes?

In your opinion was the character in the story being wise or not?

No, I do not believe the character in the story was being wise. Humbling one's self to corrupt power structures firstly, then to a makebelieve god next are giving away of one's power. Stop living on your knees as a slave just because you were born into slavery in this life.

[danster82]

I cant even begin to dissect this but if you read that as meaning Jesus paid tax's then you are not seeing what is written in scripture, you are simply not reading it right.

[majicdragon]

The Sun and the Morning Star (Venus) are quite obviously not the same...

I do think they knew the difference...

As for any misunderstanding thats Romans for you...

I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches. I am the root and the spawn of David, and I am the bright Morning Star(LUCIFER)

google it, i dare you... "Jesus is lucifer" Do a little look. I prod you with a devils fork to go and learn. Be enlightened. Illuminated. Seriously, I heard a priest telling about it. Catholic priests know that Jesus is this portrayal.

It's scary stuff to look into if you think you live in a world where everything has always been right out in the open where you could see it, because we find out that it has all been a lie... like a slaughterhouse that we thought were only a petting-zoo.

[thirdwave]

well yeah...

the bible is pretty corrupt...

I think they are looking to replace it soon.

[john white]

No, I do not believe the character in the story was being wise. Humbling one's self to corrupt power structures firstly, then to a makebelieve god next are giving away of one's power. Stop living on your knees as a slave just because you were born into slavery in this life.

I wasnt born into slavery mate

We agree to slavery by agreeing to let things bind us

(the legal fiction of my "person" is a different question: understand that one's person is not one's self and is a garment we put on)

Although its not a perfect world!

(you dodged the tax question btw :) )

But seriously, my view is be as non materialistic as possible and then "Ceaser" has little to squeeze you for: and I do live that path

Consciousness is wealth:

Consciousness is the one true gold

Consciousness is the ONLY thing we always possess

all else is Illusion!

[romas]

I think the character the story implies was actually real, but his name was different and his deeds were not quite as depicted, I believe he was benevolent, helped poor people and gained popularity among the masses.

Hebrew priesthood saw it as form of controll to be used, romans saw it as threat to feudal-slave system, they've killed him(or tried to), because he clearly opposed both sides. Romans tried to eradicate christianity for couple of houndred years, but failed miserably.

Desperate times required desperate meassures, roman empire was fractured and losing influence, being heavily dependant on slaves they created the plan how to enslave everyone largely by covert means if that did not work force was applied(see pagan wars, where I'm quite proud of Lithuanian tribes, kicked some teutonic arse!).

Power of a monarch was given to head priest of newly formed church of christianity, being heavy stellar cult romans encoded their symbolism into what we now call bible,
myths and legends were still alive among slaves and served as perfect base of operations. As Icke have said, it's in your eyes symbolism, because they have to tell you what they are doing for magick to work!

Why would I believe he was real? I've researched Eduard "Billy" Meier case, though I have my questions and few things are very symbolic in it, what is said makes alot of sense to me, even though I have not read all 15,000 :eek: pages as they are in german sadly. Though they never mention reptillians directly there, if source of Barbara Marciniak was the same then you can find them mentioned there and connect some dots.

Symbolism of an angle - Winged human, wings depicted that of a bird, birds are the last of flying reptillians aka dinosaurs.

David Ickes contact Credo Mutwa said chitaghury did not was their exact appearance to be depicted, so natives made up different symbols to represent gods. In ancient Summer their depiction is often a winged man with horns. They said they got everything from the gods, so could it be that some annunaki were benevolent? I don't know.

What fits in this puzzle for me:

The man himself, David Icke
Lloyd Pye - genetic intervention
Barbara Marciniak - see where she describes human creation with specific genome defects.
Jordan Maxwell - Everything, big fan of his.
M. Tsarion(though something is subtle about this guy, none the less I think some of it fits the big picture).
Eduard "Billy" Meier ofcourse, the most facinating story ever, if this was staged they still revealed whole lot more that makes sense than has ever been told by western system.
George Green - he pretty much takes all "extraordinary" information right from Billy Meier(or his sources?).

[cleopatraxxx]

i dont even know why anyone even bothers with the words bible, jesus, etc...
as long as you keep remembering it, it will be more and deeper programmed inside your minds, specially when you dont like it

free yourselves
live your own truth

dont think how much you dont like it
dont think how much you do like it
what counts is the emotion, the feeling you attach to a sentence.
the stronger the feeling, the more it is IMPRINTED in all of your cells, body cells, brain, etc. thats why al the disease humans have

YOU BECOME THE INTERPRETATION WHEN YOU INTERNALISE IT