More evidence that Windows Vista is a flop

[graflok]

from The Inquirer (a tech news website):

"Microsoft Admits Vista Failure - With two overlapping events, Microsoft admitted what we have been saying all along, Vista ... is a joke that no one wants."

click for full article (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087)

Note also that Dell, a major computer retailer, has re-instated the option of buying a computer with Windows XP instead of Vista due to customer demand. This is extremely unusual.

article link (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9017339&intsrc=news_ts_head)


graflok

[chinchilla]

Only thing I ever liked about Vista is Direct X 10, probably the only good thing on it and the only reason I have it (pirated). Too bad no games will use Direct X 10 for months and to buy a graphic card to use Direct X 10 will cost around £400.


All in all as it says, Vista failed.

[Anders Lindman]

Microsoft virtually has a client OS monopoly. Without real competition Microsoft has to invent a pseudo-competition by letting Windows Vista compete with Windows XP.

Car buyers can choose between different brands, but people who want a PC for playing computer games (home users) or to run MS Office (company users) can in practicality only make a Soviet-style choice between Windows Vista and Windows XP.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Microsoft virtually has a client OS monopoly. Without real competition Microsoft has to invent a pseudo-competition by letting Windows Vista compete with Windows XP.

Car buyers can choose between different brands, but people who want a PC for playing computer games (home users) or to run MS Office (company users) can in practicality only make a Soviet-style choice between Windows Vista and Windows XP.

http://www.ubuntu.com/

If I have to hear one more person complaining about "Oh Windows" this or that, I'm gonna send you a telepathic smack. There is other OS's out there. Ubuntu is just as good as M$, but open sourced. Just use it. Try it out. And if you don't feel comfortable yet with using a linux distro, try out Knoppix first.
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
It's a live cd. So you can use the OS from cd, and not have to install it.

[thirdwave]

im finding WXP is more unstable at the moment as they are obviously doing lots of updates for it as things are changing with the coming of the Vista software....

I think if you want to get away from Vista you have to get away from Microsoft....

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

im finding WXP is more unstable at the moment as they are obviously doing lots of updates for it as things are changing with the coming of the Vista software....

I think if you want to get away from Vista you have to get away from Microsoft....

Exactly what I've said before....


Only in better, more constructed, polite, and realistic tone. :o

[Anders Lindman]

http://www.ubuntu.com/

If I have to hear one more person complaining about "Oh Windows" this or that, I'm gonna send you a telepathic smack. There is other OS's out there. Ubuntu is just as good as M$, but open sourced. Just use it. Try it out. And if you don't feel comfortable yet with using a linux distro, try out Knoppix first.
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
It's a live cd. So you can use the OS from cd, and not have to install it.

But how many of the computer games available on Windows are available on Linux? Judging by the multi-billion dollar computer game consumer market, most of the people buying a home PC want to be able to play computer games on their home PC. And most companies would never even think of replacing MS Office, Outlook, MS Exchange plus the rest of their Microsoft applications. I reckon that 99% of all IT managers are superglued to Microsoft when it comes to choice of client OS.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

But how many of the computer games available on Windows are available on Linux? Judging by the multi-billion dollar computer game consumer market, most of the people buying a home PC want to be able to play computer games on their home PC. And most companies would never even think of replacing MS Office, Outlook, MS Exchange plus the rest of their Microsoft applications. I reckon that 99% of all IT managers are superglued to Microsoft when it comes to choice of client OS.

About gaming. Why not check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedaga for a change.

Secondly, most IT managers no jack shit. Alright, I know this from expierence. But you've alway got open office. And you'd be suprised how many companies/governments/schools are starting to use open source software.

Just google it.

[Anders Lindman]

About gaming. Why not check out Cedaga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedaga) for a change.

Secondly, most IT managers no jack shit. Alright, I know this from expierence. But you've alway got open office. And you'd be suprised how many companies/governments/schools are starting to use open source software.

Just google it.

I don't know much about IT management, but I wonder why they cling to Microsoft products. Some reasons may be that the employees are used to Windows, and the IT managers themselves have invested a lot in learning Microsoft products. And the cost for maintenance of the IT system is perhaps much larger than the cost for the Microsoft products themselves. These are just some guesses, but there must be SOME reasons why they cling so hard to Microsoft.

But as you say, many companies are starting to use open source. That could create a snowball effect with more and more people starting to use open source which in turn will make software developers moving more and more into open source.

[spiritualone]

About gaming. Why not check out Cedaga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedaga) for a change.

Secondly, most IT managers no jack shit. Alright, I know this from expierence. But you've alway got open office. And you'd be suprised how many companies/governments/schools are starting to use open source software.

Just google it.

You will also be suprised at how many have incompatibilites and formatting issues between documents created in MSWord and Open Office. I am all for open source, but until they get the compatibily issues nailed 100%, the corporate world is not going to take up open source in any great numbers.

[yinjing]

thirdwave, could you please explain your meaning; xp is more unstable now because of updates?? Doesn't make much sense to me. Xp is as stable as it has always been, and I haven't even bothered installing sp2.

[emma royds]

from The Inquirer (a tech news website):

"Microsoft Admits Vista Failure - With two overlapping events, Microsoft admitted what we have been saying all along, Vista ... is a joke that no one wants."

click for full article (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087)

Note also that Dell, a major computer retailer, has re-instated the option of buying a computer with Windows XP instead of Vista due to customer demand. This is extremely unusual.

article link (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9017339&intsrc=news_ts_head)


graflok

Dell is also going to start giving customers a choice between windows and a version of linux operating system on a selected range of their computers.

[Anders Lindman]

You will also be suprised at how many have incompatibilites and formatting issues between documents created in MSWord and Open Office. I am all for open source, but until they get the compatibily issues nailed 100%, the corporate world is not going to take up open source in any great numbers.

Microsoft can always be one step ahead of competitors since they control the MS Word format, and with every new release there are bound to be at least a few changes, some which may be difficult to implement in competing word processors.

In the short run I don't think Microsoft's monopoly is limiting for consumers, and it can even be beneficial for consumers to have only one product. In the long run, some entirely new type of word processor may appear that can compete with the 'age-old' :) MS Word.

[amadeus]

You will also be suprised at how many have incompatibilites and formatting issues between documents created in MSWord and Open Office. I am all for open source, but until they get the compatibily issues nailed 100%, the corporate world is not going to take up open source in any great numbers.

Just a tip: If the document doesn't have to be modified(when received), then save it as a PDF-file(in Windows or Linux). Pdf-files look exactly the same regardless of the OS. I constantly send documents created on my Kubuntu OS to people with Windows.No problems whatsoever. Like pointed out in the earlier post, in Linux u can emulate Windows with programs like Wine. But once you get to know the EXCELLENT open source Linux softwares you don't have a need for slow and clumsy Windows programs. ;)

So obviously people who come to this forum are open minded, why not be open minded about your choice of OS. Windows is a old dinosaur, open source Linux is the future! Plus you'll save a lot of money not buying those programs and antivirus-kits. And don't you find it as some sort of conspiracy that every gadget and program is labeled "Only for Win XP or newer"? In truth most of these mp3-players and other gadgets are fully Linux compatible. They just don't bother mentioning it.

I'll gladly offer help and advice if someone needs help with installing and using Linux.

-amadeus-

[auron]

I have a shitload of Linux manuals as pdf's on my computer. If anyone is interested, e-mail me and i will send you some of them.

Auron :)

[Anders Lindman]

why not be open minded about your choice of OS.

I think my next PC will run Windows Vista unless that is too expensive. And then I will install Open Office since MS Office is expensive as hell I imagine. :D

[thirdwave]

Exactly what I've said before....


Only in better, more constructed, polite, and realistic tone. :o

i know what you mean though....

[thirdwave]

thirdwave, could you please explain your meaning; xp is more unstable now because of updates?? Doesn't make much sense to me. Xp is as stable as it has always been, and I haven't even bothered installing sp2.



For me I always install the updates because allot of the software I use ends up needing them or problems occur when I don't have them... but recently I have just felt my XP not run as smooth and certain things not being how they were..... not magor but I have noticed a change...

I think this is because Vista is now Microsoft's most updated software ..everything that works with it ...software ...mobile phones that use windows stuff.... and others...will all aim to work as well as they can with Vista... so XP will update its self as much as it can to work as much like Vista as it can.....

this is the whole point of the updates is it not?... to keep the software updated and to assist programmers with a better platform and the most updated one

Of course if you can get away with sticking on SP1 and have no problems then you are fine..... but should you get new interests or want any updates to your system then you might come across a time where you are forced to updated to SP2... for example my friend built a new PC and when he installed his SP1 XP on it...his DVD drive did not work.... because it needed SP2..... likewise I had the same problem with my CD drive.... once I updated to SP2 it no longer worked... so I either had to go back to SP1 or by a new CD drive....

I here allot from music people who use there PC set ups for their recording studios... as far as the music side goes...its a matter of time till people have to upgrade to Vista....

unless an alternative is introduced, they can either go over to Mac, which drains the wallet just because of a pretty box, or hope for a new rival for Windows...until then Vista is the way forward for these type of people... let hope Lynx uses this as a chance to push on.... but will programs like Cubase...Pro Tools work with them?

[graflok]

open source Linux is the future! ...

-amadeus-

I am with you, brother!

graflok

[yinjing]

hi thirdwave, indeed there are many ways to use a computer. I consider myself all-round; office-style applications(doc,pdf,xls), internet, and some video or music to listen to. And I have never encountered any problems in xp.
Now I have tried sp2 a couple of times but it didn't bring me much.
I do not use the build-in firewall, I don't use Explorer and I have no need for media player 11. Now I'm a bit conservative so I like to have as little software installed as possible and then have a good old "format c:" from time to time.
In fact I've never heard xp having conflicts with cd-drives. I think I've tried about 10 different drives all working perfect.
What type of software requires all these updates you mention? I so far haven't encountered any.
I have tried Mandriva and knoppix linux, do you know any of these?

[king]

from The Inquirer (a tech news website):

"Microsoft Admits Vista Failure - With two overlapping events, Microsoft admitted what we have been saying all along, Vista ... is a joke that no one wants."

click for full article (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087)

Note also that Dell, a major computer retailer, has re-instated the option of buying a computer with Windows XP instead of Vista due to customer demand. This is extremely unusual.

article link (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9017339&intsrc=news_ts_head)


graflok

i predicted that this would happen, after i read 17 page analysis of Vista.
What gave me a definite clue that vista will go down the drain was "increased security" that was implemented for benefit of Hollywood/DMCA police, not you and me.

Main reason why i knew it will flop was due to encryption of
video subsystem that was done solely as
protection for playing and duplicating "protected content",
that is to benefit those who are trying to foist anti piracy.
Anyone who knows about encryption knows how much more overhead you are putting on your processor, but encrypting the video stream is plain INSANE decision,
not to mention encrypting hi definition VIDEO and AUDIO.

basically, with vista you need to use (at least) 5 or more times of resources so that someone can controll what you are doing on/with your own PC.

so, unless you are totally uniformed or crazy -- why would you do so?

you can run windows 2003 server with a few minor hacks
if you need to use more than 3.4 gig of RAM and it will blow away vista in smoke like a top fuel dragster would would blow away a pro-stock car.



Or, you can go linux, or Mac path and forget about windozee.

[thirdwave]

hi thirdwave, indeed there are many ways to use a computer. I consider myself all-round; office-style applications(doc,pdf,xls), internet, and some video or music to listen to. And I have never encountered any problems in xp.
Now I have tried sp2 a couple of times but it didn't bring me much.
I do not use the build-in firewall, I don't use Explorer and I have no need for media player 11. Now I'm a bit conservative so I like to have as little software installed as possible and then have a good old "format c:" from time to time.
In fact I've never heard xp having conflicts with cd-drives. I think I've tried about 10 different drives all working perfect.
What type of software requires all these updates you mention? I so far haven't encountered any.
I have tried Mandriva and knoppix linux, do you know any of these?

my situation was that the CD drive i had ...its drivers did not work with SP2 and the company no longer suported the hardware... so it was either re install Sp1 and use the CD drive of get a new one.... my mates was similer only his new drive did not work with SP1..... he googled the problem and came across some forums with people knowing what was wrong... so on.... it was not a problem for him as he was going to up date to SP2 anyway... but it was just odd it did not work... its rare but it does happen.... and my guess is is MSoft want people to use Vista... that kind of thing will happen more and more the promote the idea of getting Vista....

[phoenixchilde]

"Microsoft Admits Vista Failure - With two overlapping events, Microsoft admitted what we have been saying all along, Vista ... is a joke that no one wants."

That's what some of us have been saying about Windows ever since Windows95.

More evidence that windows Vista is a flop, it has the word "windows" in it.

Note also that Dell, a major computer retailer, has re-instated the option of buying a computer with Windows XP instead of Vista due to customer demand. This is extremely unusual.

Not that unusual. When windows95 first came out, all the people who knew how to use computers were running everything in DOS.