bit from the bible....

[thirdwave]

I came across this from the bible...

"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
- Matthew 24:11"

isn't it strange how the bible knows so much about how its religion is threatened in the future.... but it goes very little in to how the "rulers" of the time will also be very deceptive.....

to me this kind of editing in the bible shows that people have known for quite some time about this day and age and this faze..... and have worked for years in preparing for it....

[cheeb]

I wouldnt worry so much about what it says in that book

It's so big and contradictory ,its ripe for cherry picking,

Ive cherry picked it recently ,and come across Kent Hovind,Benny?(billy ) Hill
and a chap that says when the holy spirit enters you ,you become as drunkards......Absolutlry hillarious

I found it on you tube ,have a look

I wish i could do the link thing ,

but i cant, Kent Hoviind is a good place to start ,the rest of these crazy tv evangalists are not far behind.

[king]

I came across this from the bible...

"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
- Matthew 24:11"

isn't it strange how the bible knows so much about how its religion is threatened in the future.... but it goes very little in to how the "rulers" of the time will also be very deceptive.....

to me this kind of editing in the bible shows that people have known for quite some time about this day and age and this faze..... and have worked for years in preparing for it....

i am reading an interesting book about Hiram Abif, Bible and Fremasonry by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas.
it is titled:

The Book of Hiram: Freemasonry, Venus, and the Secret Key to the Life of Jesus (Paperback)


This was writen by couple of freemasons, so i am taking it with the grain of salt, but so far authors seem very honest and what they are saying makes lots of sense. I am interested more about true history of the
religion, masons that go back to Egypt than about masonic tripe.

according to them, it sure seem that Bible was heavily modified by Masonic brotherhood, numerous times, especially during K.J. rule.
That is why during K.J. rule only "King James bible" was considered "authorized" , that is; you would get your head chopped off for referring/redoing/quoting "unauthorised version", if you were lucky enough to be able to read.
Anyways, authors of the book are sure implying that Jesus was a Mason.

I will post interesting tidbits at later time.
They also wrote The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus (Paperback)

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but that quote that you were referring to:

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

is absolutely true, just look at the hatred of the people towards each other. the amount of hate, anger and violence is unprecedented.

I agree with your conclusion that it is very suspicious how
only certain light is shed on certain events, and not much light is shed on power within each human being.

I think that bible is often misunderstood, it is looked upon as "word of God" that seem as absolute B.S., instead of being looked at as coded book that contains many of the secrets of our history and our future that unfortunately got corrupted heavily. Or, shall i call that a "business plan"
And, if bible was truly non-masonic, purely Christian, why would it be used in masonic courts?

regardless, there are some esoteric and exoteric codes within the bible, so i think that proper name should be "code book".

And, i think that if you try to dig up true esoteric secrets within the bible -- this will lead you to masonry and Egypt
and Pharaohs and Jews and Jesus and Hiram Abif and.....
lot more interesting figures and places that we were never told about in history classless. Maybe that is why i hated history, because it is pure B.S.

anyways, come to think of it, bible must be masonic book that was shoved on populace with muddy exoteric meanings, who then strugled for ages to decipher true meaning of it.

but, as we know, you cannot understand true meanings unless you understand hiden, esoteric within.

that is the reason for bible study groups, people trying to figure out what the heck is written in that book, but of course if you are just trying to decipher exoteric, without a key (proper knowledge that is available to a very few) then you will never be able to figure out the message in the bible, even if you lived 1000 years and you studied the bible every day.
So, i do not think that we should disregard the bible, because like many things there are 2 meanings to be found within.

Just like Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven can sound
incredibly divine when played forward and plain evil when played backward, so can be knowledge on outside be compared to the knowledge on inside.

Who knows, maybe Christianity is opium for the Mases and
Masonry opium for the few, yet they both originated at the same point?!

What puzzles me is that Sun is worshiped by so many; secret and non secret societies alike.
christian priests dress as a women and Masons wear aprons and worship hermaphroditic dieties like Statue of Liberty/Semiramis.

this makes me believe that those worship the same thing,
be it Sun or goddess or....?!

I am very suspicious of those who worship anything, instead of just BEING who the are.
Why do people give power to some unquestionable group of people, why they believe them unquestionably and why
they continue to do so is very puzzling to me.

What parent would expect his child to worship him, make sacrifices to him, take up daily beating for no reason, pay taxes/dues/fees/donations?!

yet, billions of people do exactly that. but then there are now children (in increasing numbers) who blame their parents for everything and who are abusing their parents, generation X that was written off when they were born.

To me this looks like orchestrated agenda of chaos, a business plan of sort.

but, like i said -- there are some esoteric truths within the bible that need to be investigated, and bible needs to be looked at as a historical document that was abused and modified numerous times.

[thirdwave]

i am reading an interesting book about Hiram Abif, Bible and Fremasonry by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas.
it is titled:

The Book of Hiram: Freemasonry, Venus, and the Secret Key to the Life of Jesus (Paperback)


This was writen by couple of freemasons, so i am taking it with the grain of salt, but so far authors seem very honest and what they are saying makes lots of sense. I am interested more about true history of the
religion, masons that go back to Egypt than about masonic tripe.

according to them, it sure seem that Bible was heavily modified by Masonic brotherhood, numerous times, especially during K.J. rule.
That is why during K.J. rule only "King James bible" was considered "authorized" , that is; you would get your head chopped off for referring/redoing/quoting "unauthorised version", if you were lucky enough to be able to read.
Anyways, authors of the book are sure implying that Jesus was a Mason.

I will post interesting tidbits at later time.
They also wrote The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/Hiram-Key-Pharaohs-Freemasons-Discovery/dp/1862042217


but that quote that you were referring to:

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

is absolutely true, just look at the hatred of the people towards each other. the amount of hate, anger and violence is unprecedented.

I agree with your conclusion that it is very suspicious how
only certain light is shed on certain events, and not much light is shed on power within each human being.

I think that bible is often misunderstood, it is looked upon as "word of God" that seem as absolute B.S., instead of being looked at as coded book that contains many of the secrets of our history and our future that unfortunately got corrupted heavily. Or, shall i call that a "business plan"
And, if bible was truly non-masonic, purely Christian, why would it be used in masonic courts?

regardless, there are some esoteric and exoteric codes within the bible, so i think that proper name should be "code book".

And, i think that if you try to dig up true esoteric secrets within the bible -- this will lead you to masonry and Egypt
and Pharaohs and Jews and Jesus and Hiram Abif and.....
lot more interesting figures and places that we were never told about in history classless. Maybe that is why i hated history, because it is pure B.S.

anyways, come to think of it, bible must be masonic book that was shoved on populace with muddy exoteric meanings, who then strugled for ages to decipher true meaning of it.

but, as we know, you cannot understand true meanings unless you understand hiden, esoteric within.

that is the reason for bible study groups, people trying to figure out what the heck is written in that book, but of course if you are just trying to decipher exoteric, without a key (proper knowledge that is available to a very few) then you will never be able to figure out the message in the bible, even if you lived 1000 years and you studied the bible every day.
So, i do not think that we should disregard the bible, because like many things there are 2 meanings to be found within.

Just like Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven can sound
incredibly divine when played forward and plain evil when played backward, so can be knowledge on outside be compared to the knowledge on inside.

Who knows, maybe Christianity is opium for the Mases and
Masonry opium for the few, yet they both originated at the same point?!

What puzzles me is that Sun is worshiped by so many; secret and non secret societies alike.
christian priests dress as a women and Masons wear aprons and worship hermaphroditic dieties like Statue of Liberty/Semiramis.

this makes me believe that those worship the same thing,
be it Sun or goddess or....?!

I am very suspicious of those who worship anything, instead of just BEING who the are.
Why do people give power to some unquestionable group of people, why they believe them unquestionably and why
they continue to do so is very puzzling to me.

What parent would expect his child to worship him, make sacrifices to him, take up daily beating for no reason, pay taxes/dues/fees/donations?!

yet, billions of people do exactly that. but then there are now children (in increasing numbers) who blame their parents for everything and who are abusing their parents, generation X that was written off when they were born.

To me this looks like orchestrated agenda of chaos, a business plan of sort.

but, like i said -- there are some esoteric truths within the bible that need to be investigated, and bible needs to be looked at as a historical document that was abused and modified numerous times.

there are some parts of the bible that are really on the level and spot on... so i think it sertainly comes from a very good sourcde origonaly, but somtimes you can see its so clearly been messed around with...

I was at a funural a few months back.. and the guy was reading out stuff... some of it was so spiritule and very nice to listen too.... almost got me thinking.. maybe the bible does kick arse.... but then the odd quote would totaly flip the whoe thing... stuff like... "the light will come through me" ..."you must follow me" kind of stuff.... and it just contradicted it all....

its true the bible cant really be used any more i my eyes as its just bee watered down so much there is no point....

[king]

there are some parts of the bible that are really on the level and spot on... so i think it sertainly comes from a very good sourcde origonaly, but somtimes you can see its so clearly been messed around with...

I was at a funural a few months back.. and the guy was reading out stuff... some of it was so spiritule and very nice to listen too.... almost got me thinking.. maybe the bible does kick arse.... but then the odd quote would totaly flip the whoe thing... stuff like... "the light will come through me" ..."you must follow me" kind of stuff.... and it just contradicted it all....

its true the bible cant really be used any more i my eyes as its just bee watered down so much there is no point....


yes, the bible is a very interesting book, not for the mantra
that people who read it on surface regurgitate but because of hidden secrets/meanings within.
and, yes the bible has been tampered with heavily so it is very difficult to know what is true what not, but intuition
should be able to help discern what is real what not.

yes, some of the sermons may sound beautiful, however if i do not know what they are talking about -- it makes me
wonder whom they are calling/praying to.

what is very confusing is that satanists/luciferins are trying to destroy Christianity, Islam and Judaism (3 monotheistic religions) yet those religions also worship Sun, just like Luciferians.

[Anders Lindman]

Here's a cool quote from the Bible:

"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well." -- Matthew 6 (New International Version)

And from the same chapter:

Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

[thirdwave]

yes, the bible is a very interesting book, not for the mantra
that people who read it on surface regurgitate but because of hidden secrets/meanings within.
and, yes the bible has been tampered with heavily so it is very difficult to know what is true what not, but intuition
should be able to help discern what is real what not.

yes, some of the sermons may sound beautiful, however if i do not know what they are talking about -- it makes me
wonder whom they are calling/praying to.

what is very confusing is that satanists/luciferins are trying to destroy Christianity, Islam and Judaism (3 monotheistic religions) yet those religions also worship Sun, just like Luciferians.


I was speaking to a friend who reads up alot of this stuff also.... we were talking about how even Luciferians may even be taken out of context..... ok we know a certain amount of the energy it worships ....but allot of it is still just linked with Evil...... for example "Pan" is seen as the devil..... when originally pan represented a Goat who used to love sex and feeling the centre of the universe...going around the forest fucking everything it could.... then you see how some religions are so anti sex.... and yeah I guess "Pan" is an evil thing... but is that really evil???

that does not sound evil.... but today's image of Pan is evil because of certan groups and books .... so on.... im not saying im his best buddy but its about being open minded and not to judge so much...

for me the who thing...Religion "Devil Worshipping" ...so on.. is so miss understood and un educated that its just not even worth getting into....

we associate Devil worshipping with evil.... but maybe its us that create the evil... and we are not devil worshippers though...

its deep and complexed... and it comes down to what you say.... intuition.. and knowing what makes sense and what's does not....

[cheeb]

I didnt want to come across as a complete ignoramus (earlier) on this subject,
as i have studied the scriptures extensively.
My conclusions fall on the sword of aethism,(not agnostic fence sitting)

Heres one to show what kind of diety you are dealing with in the bible:-
Its from Numbers 15, 32 -36
heres the gist

32 the children of israel were in the wilderness ,and found a man gathering sticks on the sabbath

33they took him to moses and aaron and the congregation

34 they imprisioned him,because they did not know what to do

35 Gods verdict to moses -kill him with stones,outside the camp

36 ReSULT
they took him outside the camp and murdered him with stones

bit harsh from a loving, compasssionate,omnipotent god

On the other hand

to cherry pick for the positive
flicking thro proverbs

16.16
How much better it is to gain wisdom than gold
And to gain understanding
is to be chosen
rather than silver

So as an atheist there are some beautiful words in there
comfort for the weary

but it should just be treated as literature

rather than holy or sacred or untouchable as in "Freedom to practice my religion"

You really can find anything in there to support and hold up your beleifs

Kick away that crutch
and if your beleifs stand up on their own.
good enough, you dont need a god

If you stumble,
then your foundations really are built on shaky ground

i mean this ,sincere

[i am all i am]

there are some parts of the bible that are really on the level and spot on... so i think it sertainly comes from a very good sourcde origonaly, but somtimes you can see its so clearly been messed around with...

I was at a funural a few months back.. and the guy was reading out stuff... some of it was so spiritule and very nice to listen too.... almost got me thinking.. maybe the bible does kick arse.... but then the odd quote would totaly flip the whoe thing... stuff like... "the light will come through me" ..."you must follow me" kind of stuff.... and it just contradicted it all....

its true the bible cant really be used any more i my eyes as its just bee watered down so much there is no point....

G'day Thirdwave.

Here's an understanding of the source of the Bible for you.

Post #31 http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2119&highlight=origins+knowledge
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5269/thesecretinthebible8ya7.jpg

In 'The Secret in the Bible', by Tony Bushby, the 22 glyphs of the Hebrew alphabet are shown to be representations of the DNA strand.

"The only Holy Book

For thousnads of years, spiritual teachers of Jewish traditions claimed that the five major Hebrew texts making up the Torah were 'holy', of special significance, and of supernatural origin...and they were right. By producing an exact copy of the spiral shape of the Rainbow Serpent from plastic, brass, a strip of metal or a similar solid substance, its significance becomes apparent, and that item could be best described as 'light descended into matter'. It is the primary element of both the Book of Thoth and the Secret in the Bible and the precise twisty shape of the Rainbow Serpent provides the necessary form to physically demonstrate a major part of the Secret. When the plastic or metal reproduction of the Rainbow Serpent is slowly revolved, 22 different shaped shadows are cast from that one element, and those shapes directly make up the 22 seperate letters of the alphabet that the Torah was written in. Put in simplest terms, the alphabetin which the Torah of the Bible was originally and secretly written was one composed of a series of 22 cosmic glyphs that emanated with 'splendour and power in the form of a serpent' from a vertical spiral of light in the Benben on top of the Great Pyramid in Egypt. Evidence of that knowledge points directly at the undeniable input of a higher intelligence, a superior mind source."

-The Secret in the Bible, by Tony Bushby, page 256.

The "twisty shape of the Rainbow Serpent" is a similar description that is used 'The Cosmic Serpent', "language-twisting-twisting" and "twisted language", to describe the DNA by shamans.

With LOVE.

[mrguitarbear]

Heres another cool quote from the Bible :

" 23 : Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 : And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. "

( Matthew 19: 23-24 )

Maybe Bono should have a look at Matthew 6 : 24-34 and Matthew 19 : 23-24 , after all hes supposed to be a Christian isn't he ?

[cheeb]

clever dick

today i learnt the secret of mediumship

its a con

hes here ,i can see him carrying a coal skuttle into the living room ,hes sorry that he made such a mess ,he just wannts you io to know that he is sorry for leaving the bathroom in such a mess

its him ,its him ,

yes he is telling me he kept all his money in a metal tin ,im feeling qualitary streets,under the bed,

thats my bert thats him

hes telling me about someone with the letter M in her name ,im getting mary,
maryline

its merytll,,merrtlyll,she was the one who had a bit of trouble with her nerves
whats he saying now

hes fading my love ,im now getting someone young and full of life ,bit rebellious 'i see him in spirit wearing a helmet,

thats my steve,no thats my dave you get the drift

its what you want to beleive


not clever dick squiggles

[Anders Lindman]

35 Gods verdict to moses -kill him with stones,outside the camp


Holy Christ!!! That's some nasty shit. I didn't know about that one.

"While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses." -- Numbers 15 (New International Version)

[thirdwave]

G'day Thirdwave.

Here's an understanding of the source of the Bible for you.



With LOVE.

in othger words. the bible of today is as much like the bible as a book about David Beckham is!! :)

[synergy777]

The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!


the eyes are truly the window to the soul, everytime i look at someone eyes, i read them, i agree.

the bible is a historical document with spirituial truths/teachings. alot of the bible data is symbolic/metaphoric, and should not be taken literally. also add in the numerous translations hebrew=greek=latin=english, add in the political overtones eg Divine Right of kings/king james, the council of nicea, twice, 325 ad being the trinity versus arianism debate. add to this the renaissance, the ommission of books, such as the book of enoch/nephilim/fallen/reptillian-serpents-fallen angels? add in nazarite, essene, dead sea scrolls, nag hammadhi, etc

in essence what we have now is well, very diluted, a tool of imperial indoctrination. this method of editing, can be atributed to all religous texts of the three a-braham-ic faiths. this is the charlatans parading as christians are just really confused children, eating turkey dinner does not make you christian, neither does your creed.

B.I.B.L.E = Basic Isntructions Before Leaving Earth

the lyrics of this killah priest song, highlight some very important historical events.

[Anders Lindman]

alot of the bible data is symbolic/metaphoric, and should not be taken literally

I certainly hope that Numbers 15 in the Bible should not be taken literally. That was some of the nastiest texts I have read. Obviously Moses either was hearing crazy 'voices' in his head or was blindly obeying the commands from a Sith LORD. Thoroughly evil stuff.

[phoenix1]

I came across this from the bible...

"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
- Matthew 24:11"

isn't it strange how the bible knows so much about how its religion is threatened in the future.... but it goes very little in to how the "rulers" of the time will also be very deceptive.....

to me this kind of editing in the bible shows that people have known for quite some time about this day and age and this faze..... and have worked for years in preparing for it....


The reason is the Powers That Be now, are the powers that where then..The Bible is a Blueprint they are working too.

Just ask King James lol and Sir Francis Baconhttp://www.joshuabooks.com/bushby_products.htm

The oldest know Bible to my knowledge is the Sinai Bible, and all the texts of the bible (that are visible ) are at the very least missleading.

Check out these books I am all I am reccomended to me ...I have the middle 3

By Tony Bushby...

http://www.joshuabooks.com/bushby_products.htm :)

[i am all i am]

The reason is the Powers That Be now, are the powers that where then..The Bible is a Blueprint they are working too.

Just ask King James lol and Sir Francis Baconhttp://www.joshuabooks.com/bushby_products.htm

The oldest know Bible to my knowledge is the Sinai Bible, and all the texts of the bible (that are visible ) are at the very least missleading.

Check out these books I am all I am reccomended to me ...I have the middle 3

By Tony Bushby...

http://www.joshuabooks.com/bushby_products.htm :)

G'day Phoenix.

Great books.

The Mount Sinai Bible is the oldest known bible. There are over 14, 800 mistakes and differences between the M.S.B. and bibles in circulation today. So it really makes the bibles currently being used as a bit of a joke.

"The bible is the Word of God" say the christians.

Which bible ? Surely not the one that they have read and are quoting from. Todays bibles are like the vast majority of the media, dis-information.

Here's an example....many christians quote the name of God as "I AM THAT I AM", when the Hebrew word can be translated as, "I AM WHICH I AM", and "I AM WHO I AM", also. So, there are three names, or aspects, of God. MIND/SOUL/BODY, THOUGHT/WORD/ACTION, FUTURE/PRESENT/PAST, THERE/IN BETWEEN/HERE, THAT WHICH GIVES RISE TO/THAT WHICH IS/THAT WHICH IS RISEN, CONCIOUS/SUPRACONCIOUS/SUBCONCIOUS, CONCEIVE/CREATE/EXPERIENCE, etc, etc.

With LOVE.

[tru3]

Here's an example....many christians quote the name of God as "I AM THAT I AM", when the Hebrew word can be translated as, "I AM WHICH I AM", and "I AM WHO I AM", also. So, there are three names, or aspects, of God. MIND/SOUL/BODY, THOUGHT/WORD/ACTION, FUTURE/PRESENT/PAST, THERE/IN BETWEEN/HERE, THAT WHICH GIVES RISE TO/THAT WHICH IS/THAT WHICH IS RISEN, CONCIOUS/SUPRACONCIOUS/SUBCONCIOUS, CONCEIVE/CREATE/EXPERIENCE, etc, etc.

With LOVE.

exactly. if you throw in the 'future' there is a future perfect version:

"I AM THAT I AM"
"I AM WHO I AM"
"I WILL BE WHAT I WILL TO BE". :)

[i am all i am]

in othger words. the bible of today is as much like the bible as a book about David Beckham is!! :)

Actually....probably less !!!

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

exactly. if you throw in the 'future' there is a future perfect version:

"I AM THAT I AM"
"I AM WHO I AM"
"I WILL BE WHAT I WILL TO BE". :)

G'day Tru3.

I AM WHICH I AM
I AM WHO I AM
I AM THAT I AM

I AM ALL I AM

This is why I use it, it describes all three in one. I AM the past, I AM the present and I AM the future. I AM ALL I AM.

With LOVE.

[tinmenace]

isn't it strange how the bible knows so much about how its religion is threatened in the future....


Right! It's got all angles covered. Nobody may question it, and if they do, they're the devil. Dogma, plain and simple.

[tru3]

Right! It's got all angles covered. Nobody may question it, and if they do, they're the devil. Dogma, plain and simple.

religion is the ultimate spin doctoring. take the phrase "beware false prophets". not bad advice, really, but in the wrong hands it becomes a barrier to investigating one's own experience of truth.

if you really want to look in someone's eyes and see the stark unreasoning terror of lifelong religious programming, you've got to see this video (6 min.).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5464505634137914176&q=wife+swap+fundamentalist+wife&hl=en

seriously, you've got to watch the whole thing to get to the punch line. it's priceless! :D

to set this up, this is one of those reality shows, this woman is not a paid actress. she "traded spouses" with some new age couple. and, the envelope she tore up contained a $50,000 check. even worse, look at the horrified reaction of her kids.

and i tell ya, folks, my neck of the woods are filled with holy rollers like this.

i'd say as puppet mastery, the bible has done more damage than any other book in history.

and they worry about harry potter? they should worry about simon peter! :)

[i am all i am]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5464505634137914176&q=wife+swap+fundamentalist+wife&hl=en

to set this up, this is one of those reality shows, this woman is not a paid actress. she "traded spouses" with some new age couple. and, the envelope she tore up contained a $50,000 check. even worse, look at the horrified reaction of her kids. :)

G'day Tru3.

Darksided ???
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/ape-scratch.gif What the fuck !!! http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/bar17.gif http://www.timshen.truepath.com/christian/Minister_shouts.gif
This woman is such a drama-queen. Does she know how to converse without screeching. And what was the censored thing that her husband said ???

She definitely has gluttony and greed down pat.....two out of the seven deadly sins.....how, actually more to the point, why does her husband sit there and accept her tirade......he could of left with the kids while she was away. We know who wears the pants, and jumbo size at that.
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/mouse.gif Do the Harold Holt mate (ehhh, Harold Holt ex-primeminister, body never found, at the beach one day he did the bolt).
And for fucking crying out loud (which she did a lot of) take the kids with you. How could you leave anyone in her care, let alone children !!!


http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/silverhawk.gif


If anyone ever asked me do you think this woman should ever be allowed to raise children, I'd give this simple answer, when .....

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/1pigflygif.gif And even then I'd have reaervations !!!


With LOVE.

[tru3]

G'day Tru3.

Darksided ???
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/ape-scratch.gif What the fuck !!! http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/bar17.gif http://www.timshen.truepath.com/christian/Minister_shouts.gif
This woman is such a drama-queen. Does she know how to converse without sreeching. And what was the censored thing that her husband said ???

She definitely has gluttony and greed down pat.....two out of the seven deadly sins.....how, actually more to the point, why does her husband sit there and accept her tirade......he could of left with the kids while she was away. We know who wears the pants, and jumbo size at that.
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/mouse.gif Do the Harold Holt mate (ehhh, Harold Holt ex-primeminister, body never found, at the beach one day he did the bolt).
And for fucking crying out loud (which she did a lot of) take the kids with you. How could you leave anyone in her care, let alone children !!!


http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/silverhawk.gif


If anyone ever asked me do you think this woman should ever be allowed to raise children, I'd give this simple answer, when .....

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/1pigflygif.gif And even then I'd have reaervations !!!


With LOVE.

i'd say when monkeys fly out of my butt, but i couldn't find a clever little gizmo showing that. :)

exactly my point. self-delusion, self-aggrandizement, and selfcentric behavior such as hers is all wrapped in an inpenetrable cloak of belief.

this woman does indeed see demons; unfortunately they are being reflected back from her own unconscious.

you know, it's interesting that she said she "put on armor". i'd say that's exactly what she created with her weight: emotional armor that, along with her mental armor in the form of fundamentalism, make her impervious to growth or change.

god didn't need to create hell; we create our own.

Conan: The riddle... of steel.
Thulsa Doom: Yes! You know what it is, don't you boy? Shall I tell you? It's the least I can do. Steel isn't strong, boy, flesh is stronger! Look around you. There, on the rocks; that beautiful girl. Come to me, my child...
[the girl jumps to her death]
Thulsa Doom: That is strength, boy! That is power! What is steel compared to the hand that wields it?

-conan the barbarian

the loomies understand that, better than we do. they shape and guide and provide the blueprints, but human beings are the ones who pick up the hammer and the nail and build the prison.

[i am all i am]

Ahhhhhh...Conan the Barbarian....love it....probably the Arnie movie that I enjoyed more than any other.

Thulsa Doom: Hang him on the Tree of Woe !

Valeria: Do you want to live forever !

Off the top of the head.

How about the way that she claimed ownership of the house !!!

"Get out of my house". Not our house. "In the name of Jesus, get out of my house". One of the camera crew go out of her way in a hurry.

The way that she spoke to the children.....if I was in the house.....wwhhooaahh, that would have totally given me the incentive to speak up.....not like you'd require too much with her.....she would have found out that Jeebers (Ahhh, Homer) would not have helped her at all.....fuck, all of the saints and apostles couldn't have helped her.

I questioned a christian woman down at the beach one day when she hit her child.....she actually walked over to him (probably 4-5 years old) cause he was playing next to the water with other children and had his selective hearing turned on, grabbed him by the arm, almost yanking it out of the socket, and smacked him on the arse. He wasn't in the water, she and her friend were only 20 metres away, and he was playing with other kids. Totally uncalled for. But she had looked "bad" in front of everyone because he had ignored her. So I walked over (no one else battered an eyelid) and said to her that doesn't she think that love would be a more beneficial way to deal with the situation than violence. Weeeeell, didn't that set her off, and her friend jumped up and started as well. Wearing that good christian cross on a chain. The old "spare the rod and spoil the child came out". I was amazed that she couldn't see that she had it arse end around. You know the typical comments, "He's trying to tell me how to raise MY kids" bullshit. I let it go and walked back to where I had been and got the dagger looks for 10-15 minutes. I would have walked straight up and thumped her if she had hit the child again. Fuck that shit pisses me off. The child can't defend itself, and at the same time is getting hit by it's MOTHER, who is supposed to love her child, not beat up on it.

Anyway, that's my rant over for this year.

Wasn't it funny in the video that she changed her mind about the "tainted" money that she professed that she didn't want. It's absolutely amazing how soooooo many people can be bought.

Thanks for the link Tru3......have a good one brother......I'm going to have a look on the "Pissing on the New World Order" thread and have a laugh......YEAH BABY !!!!!

With LOVE.

EDIT:- "i'd say when monkeys fly out of my butt, but i couldn't find a clever little gizmo showing that."......Hehehehe.....couldn't you have used a photo.....hahahaha.....just joking.

[tru3]

The way that she spoke to the children.....if I was in the house.....wwhhooaahh, that would have totally given me the incentive to speak up.....not like you'd require too much with her.....she would have found out that Jeebers (Ahhh, Homer) would not have helped her at all.....fuck, all of the saints and apostles couldn't have helped her.

see, that's the way it's passed from generation to generation, like some kind of virus. did you see the expression on the face of the youngest? that's the type of stress that creates alters, my friends. :mad:

I questioned a christian woman down at the beach one day when she hit her child.....she actually walked over to him (probably 4-5 years old) cause he was playing next to the water with other children and had his selective hearing turned on, grabbed him by the arm, almost yanking it out of the socket, and smacked him on the arse. He wasn't in the water, she and her friend were only 20 metres away, and he was playing with other kids. Totally uncalled for. But she had looked "bad" in front of everyone because he had ignored her. So I walked over (no one else battered an eyelid) and said to her that doesn't she think that love would be a more beneficial way to deal with the situation than violence. Weeeeell, didn't that set her off, and her friend jumped up and started as well. Wearing that good christian cross on a chain. The old "spare the rod and spoil the child came out". I was amazed that she couldn't see that she had it arse end around. You know the typical comments, "He's trying to tell me how to raise MY kids" bullshit. I let it go and walked back to where I had been and got the dagger looks for 10-15 minutes. I would have walked straight up and thumped her if she had hit the child again. Fuck that shit pisses me off. The child can't defend itself, and at the same time is getting hit by it's MOTHER, who is supposed to love her child, not beat up on it.

Anyway, that's my rant over for this year.

naw, we'll give you a pass on this one, bro. you've got one more coming to ya. :)


Wasn't it funny in the video that she changed her mind about the "tainted" money that she professed that she didn't want. It's absolutely amazing how soooooo many people can be bought.

yep. that's why they call it "to rational-lies". scratch the veneer off most people's religious belief, and you'll find an economic agenda near the surface. ;)

[phoenix1]

Right! It's got all angles covered. Nobody may question it, and if they do, they're the devil. Dogma, plain and simple.

Nicly put Tin Plain and simple. Like snipers protecting the Pope.(The below is not at you by the way because you see it allready) LOL

I can't really be arsed that much with religious bullshit anymore,Ive read the bible 7 times and seen it for the bollux it is ,there are some flashing gems in it though for those who would "see".

People translate and identify with it literally and miss the usage of esoterism and symbol which is plastered right through it.

Last time I read it I was 16 and doing exams I am 42 now, so its been while.

Dogma =Controll amongst other things, and subversively is very influential to the point of total brain washing for billions of people , becaues most people have REMEMBERED to FORGET to QUESTION ANYTHING lol as per desighn.

Look at religious stereotyped clingers at snapping straws lol, they have no faith in themselves and cop out using Jesus or Bhudda or Whoever to "save them" lol, brainwashed beyond belief in the FEAR of GOD!!!!!

Befoe Jesus was around lol, are we supposed to assume that everyone went to "hell" before old Jesus boy showed up , ha ha, , there have ALLWAYS BENN GOOD AND BAD !!THERE ALLWAYS WILL BE TO SEE THE MIRROR AND THE BALLANCE,

Also I could not have a jealous God, a Vengefull God a Wrathfull God ,nor a Wrathfull God, nor could I live IN FEAR OF GOD EITHER,for me there is allways the ALL POWER, allways has been allways will be .

GOD we are told we cannot connect to other than through a mediator, fuckin bullshit, GOD is merley a name, The Scource has no name it just IS it just IS .

Iam all I am has it, Tin Has it. The church doesn't want YOU to have the JEWEL that is within and without.

[tinmenace]

Right A!

Also,

Dogma = Living with the results of other people's thinking.

[tinmenace]

By the way Tru3, I couldn't watch more than a minute of that woman. I can't even explain how it made me feel...like a big wash of unhappiness and desperation came over me. Can you just imagine living next door to someone like that? Let alone in her house!!

Geez.....Sean, please we can add a "queezy" smiley...lol :)

[i am all i am]

DOGMA

DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE US,
OF YOUR FALSE IDEAL,
THERE ARE NO SEPERATE COLOURS,
YOUR DOGMA DOESN'T HEAL.

I WASN'T BORN TO WORK FOR YOU,
DON'T SELL ME YOUR IDEAL,
MY EXPERIENCE IS THE CLUE,
YOUR DOGMA DOESN'T HEAL.

I WASN'T BORN A SINNER,
YOUR RELIGION IS A SPEIL,
YOU SAY A LOSER NEEDS A WINNER,
YOUR DOGMA DOESN'T HEAL.

I HOPE ONE DAY TO HOLD YOUR HAND,
AND WATCH THE JOY ON YOUR FACE,
WHEN THE WORLD WILL UNDERSTAND,
WE ALL BELONG TO THE HUMAN RACE.


With LOVE.

[tinmenace]

DOGMA

DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE US,
OF YOUR FALSE IDEAL,
THERE ARE NO SEPERATE COLOURS,
YOUR DOGMA DOESN'T HEAL.

I WASN'T BORN TO WORK FOR YOU,
DON'T SELL ME YOUR IDEAL,
MY EXPERIENCE IS THE CLUE,
YOUR DOGMA DOESN'T HEAL.

I WASN'T BORN A SINNER,
YOUR RELIGION IS A SPEIL,
YOU SAY A LOSER NEEDS A WINNER,
YOUR DOGMA DOESN'T HEAL.

I HOPE ONE DAY TO HOLD YOUR HAND,
AND WATCH THE JOY ON YOUR FACE,
WHEN THE WORLD WILL UNDERSTAND,
WE ALL BELONG TO THE HUMAN RACE.


With LOVE.

Wow! How profound! Brilliant....

[tru3]

By the way Tru3, I couldn't watch more than a minute of that woman. I can't even explain how it made me feel...like a big wash of unhappiness and desperation came over me. Can you just imagine living next door to someone like that? Let alone in her house!!

Geez.....Sean, please we can add a "queezy" smiley...lol :)

sorry, tm. for me, sometimes i just have to look that kind of shit in the eye, without turning my head. that's just me. don't shoot the messenger...:o

the hills are full of em around here. you live in florida, don't you? well, kentucky, tennessee, missouri, kansas, etc. is called the bible belt for a reason.

they're tied up way too tight! :(

but that's a taste of the hysteria that's going to be unleashed when Truth is finally revealed. i really pity them, when all their cherished illusions go up in a puff of smoke.

and, i'm sure a few of mine will, too. :)

p.s.

DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE US,
OF YOUR FALSE IDEAL,
THERE ARE NO SEPERATE COLOURS,
YOUR DOGMA DOESN'T HEAL.

my karma ran over their dogma. ;-)

[bigus_dickus]

if you really want to look in someone's eyes and see the stark unreasoning terror of lifelong religious programming, you've got to see this video (6 min.).

this video, is not indicative of what christianity, or the bible is about. you know exactly what it is. i mean, if you believe that, then eh... then you are right, no need to argue.

the first time i saw this video i did not laugh at all. and i did not feel sorry for any of the people, not for this woman, not for her children, not even for the tv network who exploited all those people to get more money. they are people who need help more than you can imagine and certainly they don't need pity and mocking. i don't see what good would any of these two do for them. unless you are not interested in doing good, which is fine with me, just my 2 cents.

[tru3]

this video, is not indicative of what christianity, or the bible is about. you know exactly what it is. i mean, if you believe that, then eh... then you are right, no need to argue.

the first time i saw this video i did not laugh at all. and i did not feel sorry for any of the people, not for this woman, not for her children, not even for the tv network who exploited all those people to get more money. they are people who need help more than you can imagine and certainly they don't need pity and mocking. i don't see what good would any of these two do for them. unless you are not interested in doing good, which is fine with me, just my 2 cents.

look, i don't want to argue, either. what i was suggesting was the same thing: that discussing this bible thumping is not some intellectual exercise, it causes real damage. and it's passed from generation to generation.

and THAT makes me angry! :mad:

i'm sorry if something got lost in translation. sheesh! :rolleyes:

nevertheless, this is exactly what christianity is, to this woman. and, to many people who live around me.

maybe everyone in your area is hip, and with it, urbane sophisticates, the lot of them. where i live, there's a lot of folks in bondage to this garbage.

that's what religion is to me: garbage. i don't have any problem saying it. it's something to be thrown out when Spirit awakens enough to realize there's something in the pantry that's spoiled and rotten.

if it's something else to you, great.

and exactly how would you help them, b.d.? would you point out the error of their ways to them? how do you think they would react? more of the same, i wager. fear upon fear.

ever heard the saying "the helping hand strikes again"?

when the shite hits the fan, and you go up to one of these people to "enlighten" them, be prepared to have your head handed to you.

that's how scared they are right now. that's why i said i said i PITY them. i didn't say i felt sorry for them. there's a difference.

mocking them? if holding up the mirror is mocking, then i guess i'm guilty as charged. it's funny, because there's a disjoint between what this woman preaches and what she practises. that's the essence of comedy. i didn't create this behavior, i just held it out for observation.

[tinmenace]

It was just way too disturbing for me....I can't even tell you how negatively that affected me.

Just can't do it.....sorry.


Yeah, the bible belt indeed. Most of the people I know, and am friendly with, are rabid church-going Christians. They know better than to come at me with their religion, and in return I don't tell them how dogmatized they are.

Living in the bible belt is not easy, in fact I was so tired of them leaving their stinking literature in my mailbox during the day, that I stuck a note on the front of my mailbox that says something like "Although we respect your right to believe in your religion, we do not wish to read any religious indoctrination or literature. Please refrain from leaving anything of a religious nature ANYWHERE on our property. Thank you!"

So, anyway, that woman in the video, her energy is just so negative and she is totally an energy-leech. That one minute that I could stand to watch her, not one positive thing came out of her mouth. Not "Hi my darling family, I'm so happy to be home, and I missed you so much". No "Wow, what an experience but I'm glad to be home". NO! She came in with all kinds of drama, and it was all about her (she didn't even ask how THEY were). How horrible it had been for HER, and of course it's not because she refuses to enjoy her life, but instead it's because she disapproves of what someone else is supposedly doing in THEIR own home.

Complete energy leech and utter moron. Her daughter seemed quite confused, because the other lady was probably a nice person and a lot of fun, and you can just see her trying to reconcile this information in her head. On one hand she wants to be loyal to her mother, and on the other hand she wants to listen to her instinct.

Just an awful awful thing.....

[bigus_dickus]

and THAT makes me angry! :mad:

good, it makes me angry too sometimes, but i don't hold it in me and don't project it on people, not saying that you do.

i'm sorry if something got lost in translation. sheesh! :rolleyes:

all i am saying is the truth, no need to be sorry :)

nevertheless, this is exactly what christianity is, to this woman. and, to many people who live around me.

yes, the opposite of what it is supposed to be. because it was not supposed to be a religion. it was made a religion by the descendants of yahweh, or zeus.

and they used the christ spirit, the "walking buddha", as their "number 13".

maybe everyone in your area is hip, and with it, urbane sophisticates, the lot of them. where i live, there's a lot of folks in bondage to this garbage.

can you blame them?

that's what religion is to me: garbage. i don't have any problem saying it. it's something to be thrown out when Spirit awakens enough to realize there's something in the refrigerator that's spoiled and rotten.

if it's something else to you, great.

it is simply a part of me.

and exactly how would you help them, b.d.? would you point out the error of their ways to them? how do you think they would react? more of the same, i wager. fear upon fear.

i would love them.

ever heard the saying "the helping hand strikes again"?

hmm... no! :rolleyes:

i said i PITY them, i didn't say i felt sorry for them. there's a difference.

do you love them?

mocking them? if holding up the mirror is mocking, then i guess i'm guilty as charged.

i forgive you :)

[tru3]

and, i'm sure a few of mine will, too.

that was my last line from the above post. i love you b.d.! lol :D

do you love them?

yes, i do. for me, love would be absolutely fascinated and delighted with this woman, and more importantly, the unhealed parts of myself that she brings up for me: specifically, control issues. that's why it pisses me off about the kids, because in many ways, i was those kids at that age (not religion per se, but i recognize the look in their eyes as one i saw in the mirror every day of my life until well out of my teens).

we all have gifts for one another, don't we?

duh! :D

that does not mean i have to hang around her, or change her, or enable her, for that matter.

i would love them.

this is a great thread, and i appreciate what you're saying, b.d.

but what does that look like, for you? and please, be specific.

[bigus_dickus]

yes, i do. for me, love would be absolutely fascinated and delighted with this woman, and more importantly, the unhealed parts of myself that she brings up for me: specifically, control issues. that's why it pisses me off about the kids, because in many ways, i was those kids at that age (not religion per se, but i recognize the look in their eyes as one i saw in the mirror every day of my life until well out of my teens).

we all have gifts for one another, don't we?

duh! :D

good. yeah, me too! :)

i haven't been in this kind of religious madness though, thank goddess.

that does not mean i have to hang around her, or change her, or enable her, for that matter.

well, the "mocking" i mentioned before was not addressed to you particularly, because you didn't "mock", you only posted it for public consumption of any sort. i have no problem with that, i just wondered "what is it good for". i wrote what i did and how i felt and as i was typing i wondered why would someone laugh at these people, but not exactly laugh at "these" people, but at everyone who believes in christianity.

and i was thinking that all religions and traditions are the plot of our story on earth including the christian tradition. you can't take it out of context and judge it alone, because it depends on many other religions and traditions of the past. it kind of came next. and the plot continues, but who is making it? here is the "problem". which is not a problem..

this is a great thread, and i appreciate what you're saying, b.d.

but what does that look like, for you? and please, be specific.

what does what exactly look like for me?

[i am all i am]

Wow! How profound! Brilliant....

Thank you for your kind words Tinmenace.

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

1. This tyrant hated everyone who was not a white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant heterosexual and attempted to exterminate everyone else, thus resulting in the violent slaughter of millions of people. On his death bed, he sincerely asked Jesus to take over his life.
A. Heaven
B. Hell


2. This man accepted Jesus and asked the Lord to take over his life, but after a month of being faithful to scripture, he resumed having sexual relations with his fiancé before they were married.

A. Heaven
B. Hell


3. This incredibly kind young Asian woman devoted her whole life to caring for the handicapped and rarely said an unkind word about anyone. However, though a Baptist missionary once witnessed to her for five minutes, she nevertheless chose to remain in the non-Christian religion her parents, grandparents, neighbors and friends had taught her all her life.

A. Heaven
B. Hell


4. This man accepted Jesus when he was 12 and lived a wholesome, prayer-filled life until he was 30. He then backslid and engaged in lewd and lascivious conduct. At age 42, he again asked the Lord to return and take over his life, and he then lived an exemplary, unblemished Christian life until his death at age 85.

A. Heaven
B. Hell


5. This sleazy Jewish girl didn’t really believe in Jesus, but when she was 12, she asked Jesus into her life in response to peer pressure and summer Bible vacation programs. She continued to whore around for the next 50 years, until she was diagnosed with terminal cancer and told by her doctor she had only days to live. She then studied the Bible and soon realized Jesus really is the Son of God. She died in her hospital room hours later.

A. Heaven
B. Hell


6. This man truly believed Jesus is the Son of God but refused to turn His life over to the Lord, instead, continuing a crime spree including rape, child molestation and murder.

A. Heaven
B. Hell


7. This two-year-old child had parents who were trying to teach her about Jesus every day, but the girl was just too young to understand the difference between clean and dirty diapers let alone the difference between Jesus and the devil. She perished one day in an accident caused by a drunk driver who struck her parents’ car, hurling her from her infant seat into oncoming traffic.

A. Heaven
B. Hell


8. This intellectual just couldn’t bring himself to accept the outrageous, conflicting and bizarre stories of our faith. While he dedicated his life to helping others and personally chose not to engage in conduct the Bible deems sinful, he did so based on his personal convictions of right and wrong and not because the Lord ordered him to act that way. He died having helped thousands of individuals escape poverty, but he his intellect would not let him believe in Christ.

A. Heaven
B. Hell


9. This 55-year-old woman who accepted the Lord as a young girl lived a devout and pristine life, giving to others and constantly praising God until the day she died. However, upon being told her three-year-old granddaughter had been tortured, raped and murdered by five adult men, she questioned God’s existence and had a massive, fatal coronary shortly thereafter.

A. Heaven
B. Hell


10. An aborted fetus

A. Heaven
B. Hell



http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0203/biblelogicquiz.html

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

1. Which of the following are among God’s methods of punishing those who break His commandments?

A. He strikes them with plagues, burning fevers that consume the eyes, pestilence, consumption, blasting, the sword and even mildew.
B. He strikes them with hemorrhoids, scabs, itching, madness and blindness.
C. He sends wild bears to devour their children.
D. Any of the above, depending on His mood.

2. How does God handle people who make Him jealous by having a religion different than ours?

A. Trick question. God is not vain.
B. He has them burned with fire, shot with arrows, bitten by beasts, poisoned by serpents, stabbed with swords and dashed to pieces with rods of iron-man, woman and child including infants, the aged and virgins.
C. He gently nudges them in the right direction.
D. None of the above.

3. How does God kill whiners?

A. What? God wouldn’t kill people just for complaining.
B. Fire.
C. Earthquakes.
D. Terminal illness.

4. How does God prefer to torture those who somehow become enemies of His chosen people?

A. He breaks their bones and pierces them with arrows.
B. He sends hornets to kill them.
C. He has them eat their own flesh and drink their own blood.
D. All of the above.

5. How does God kill those who vacation in Egypt?

A. Sword.
B. Famine.
C. Pestilence.
D. Take your pick.

6. How did God express his hatred toward people living in metropolitan Babylon?

A. By destroying their livestock.
B. By making the women barren.
C. By turning the men into drag queens.
D. All of the above.

7. When a community’s sins really make God mad, how does God find comfort?

A. By killing a third of the people with plagues and famine.
B. By killing a third of the people with local warfare.
C. By killing a third of the people with international warfare.
D. All of the above.

8. Whom does God slaughter when He gets jealous because a community is worshiping someone else?

A. The women.
B. The babies.
C. The unborn infants.
D. All of the above.

9. How does God punish promiscuous folks, like men who have sex with both their wives and mothers-in-law and daughters of priests who sleep around?

A. He has their genitals mutilated so they can sin no more.
B. He ensures their misdeeds result in unwanted pregnancy or venereal disease.
C. He has them burned with fire.
D. Any of the above.

10. In Jesus’ time, how did the Trinity deal with nonbelievers?

A. They had one eaten by worms.
B. They struck one blind.
C. A and B.
D. None of the above.


http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1102/carnagequiz.html

With LOVE.

[tru3]

i haven't been in this kind of religious madness though, thank goddess.

yes. i live in a state where 70 percent of the population voted for bush- the second time! so yes, the religious aspect feeds the political madness (or is it the other way around? ;) ).


well, the "mocking" i mentioned before was not addressed to you particularly, because you didn't "mock", you only posted it for public consumption of any sort. i have no problem with that, i just wondered "what is it good for". i wrote what i did and how i felt and as i was typing i wondered why would someone laugh at these people, but not exactly laugh at "these" people, but at everyone who believes in christianity.

i don't think anyone here who responded to the vid was laughing at her. the only thing i thought was funny, as i said, was the "punchline"-- that she later recanted tearing up the check. tinmenace and iaaia seemed to express dismay and discomfort, although i don't mean to speak for you guys.

as for the network's responsibility, "reality" tv simply feeds the communal urge to slow down and look at a traffic accident. :)

and i was thinking that all religions and traditions are the plot of our story on earth including the christian tradition. you can't take it out of context and judge it alone, because it depends on many other religions and traditions of the past. it kind of came next. and the plot continues, but who is making it? here is the "problem". which is not a problem..

that's very true. everything is so incredibly entangled, isn't it? it's all about context, imv.

i have spent a lot of time doing forgiveness work, and i've found when i start assigning blame and seeing things unfolding back through time, there really is no one to blame, because everyone is in the illusion together, and everyone is ultimately responsible for their own liberation.

what does what exactly look like for me?

loving her. or one like this, be she fundamentalist or radical robot. :)

[Anders Lindman]

1. Which of the following are among God’s methods of punishing those who break His commandments?


I don't know, but it appears more and more to me that the Father in the New Testament is not the same deity as the LORD in the Old Testament. In fact, they are rather almost the opposite of each other it seems to me.

[tru3]

I don't know, but it appears more and more to me that the Father in the New Testament is not the same deity as the LORD in the Old Testament. In fact, they are rather almost the opposite of each other it seems to me.

that's always bothered me. it's a split personality, isnt' it? ;)

i never really did understand why anyone listened to Paul, either, other than when roman christians began to seize control of the canon, they wanted to carry forward the deification of jesus, just like tammuz.

[i am all i am]

I don't know, but it appears more and more to me that the Father in the New Testament is not the same deity as the LORD in the Old Testament. In fact, they are rather almost the opposite of each other it seems to me.

G'day Anders.

Is the God of the bible schizophrenic ???

Schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

With LOVE.

[bigus_dickus]

yes. i live in a state where 70 percent of the population voted for bush- the second time! so yes, the religious aspect feeds the political madness (or is it the other way around? ;) ).

the case is pretty much the same everywhere in similar societies. that's why we can understand each other. and we also have the internet and no info will be any longer hidden from the public.

i don't think anyone here who responded to the vid was laughing at her. the only thing i thought was funny, as i said, was the "punchline"-- that she later recanted tearing up the check. tinmenace and iaaia seemed to express dismay and discomfort, although i don't mean to speak for you guys.

that's what i said, but look at the comments from that video page:


nathan 2 days ago
Jesus was inside of her, that is why she weighs 500 pounds. FACT.

swimmer 2 days ago
perfect example of christianity lol!!!

Anonymous Apr 12, 2007
gastric bypass is going against God, he made he body perfect, she decided to ruin it. Now she wishes to go against God's creation and modifying it for vanity. or in other words, a typical Christian. that refuses to see the hypocracy that is their life.

Anonymous Apr 12, 2007
i hear its super Christian to not even hug your children when coming home from a long trip away. and please woman, lay off the satan twinkies.

Richard Freeman Apr 6, 2007
Look at her husband. He puts up with that bulls**t. Pushover men who should be putting their foot down are what allows stupid women like that to spread their nonsense view, or even exist for that matter. Shame on him, and shame on her.

see what i mean? are these people supposed to be more intelligent? more perfect? if they believe so, good for them, what else can i say.

i have spent a lot of time doing forgiveness work, and i've found when i start assigning blame and seeing things unfolding back through time, there really is no one to blame, because everyone is in the illusion together, and everyone is ultimately responsible for their own liberation.

all you can ever blame or hate or love, is yourself. there is no one else.

i don't know if it makes any sense to you, but who says that the truth can be made as sense?

loving her. or one like this, be she fundamentalist or radical robot. :)

seeing her as a human being not at all different than i am. a version of myself, someone who i was or i could have been, my child and my ancestor, my mother, sister and daughter.

and i have to do nothing about that, because it is who i am. maybe writing the truth about all of it on the forum does the trick. it helps her, it helps me and it helps you. just watch :)

[tru3]

seeing her as a human being not at all different than i am. a version of myself, someone who i was or i could have been, my child and my ancestor, my mother, sister and daughter.

and i have to do nothing about that, because it is who i am. maybe writing the truth about all of it on the forum does the trick. it helps her, it helps me and it helps you. just watch

thanks for the share, bro. i watch every day, and marvel. :)

this is not fluff, folks, this is some heavy duty pooper scooper stuff. there's some profound healing going on in this forum, on many levels. i honor all of you. and, we're still getting to know one another. this forum hasn't been up much more than 3 months. 13 weeks. imagine what we can accomplish once we have established more trust with each other.

let's expose all this shadow stuff, once and for all.

can we really worry about loomies until we have slain a few of our own inner dragons?

let's leave it here, with forgiveness and blessing that it helped us get to where we are now. we were strong enough to survive. now, why not be strong enough to just let go?

[Anders Lindman]

that's always bothered me. it's a split personality, isnt' it? ;)


The same thought hit me after I had written that post. Then I thought that perhaps instead it shows a kind of evolution; from God using management by fear to a more peaceful kind of management. That would mean that God in the Old Testament is just less evolved which today appear to us as evil.

[Anders Lindman]

G'day Anders.

Is the God of the bible schizophrenic ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

With LOVE.

My guess is that what is called God in the Bible has evolved so that in the New Testament 'He' appears more civilized than in the Old Testament.

[phoenix1]

Right A!

Also,

Dogma = Living with the results of other people's thinking.

Right on target with that too D

Has anyone considered the issue that "God" in the bible is a Ruling Entity and NOT the ALL SCOURCE at all.

But an imposter into the human psyche in the first place, mirroring THE INFINITE ALL when it suits ??

Refering to jealous and , smite you down, and shit like that issuing from the apparent Gods own word ????

Also combine this with the "missing link" that I don't think is there to find anyway,abduction, intervention, and the genetic creation of a slave race ie us, to to the bidding of the said GOD.
I think GOD in the bible is an imposter, how can he love and hate ....bieng perfection ?? How can we love a God like this ?? Beyond me.

OK a loaded question but an interesting tangent don't you think pepes ??


P1

[i am all i am]

Right on target with that too D

Has anyone considered the issue that "God" in the bible is a Ruling Entity and NOT the ALL SCOURCE at all.

But an imposter into the human psyche in the first place, mirroring THE INFINITE ALL when it suits ??

Refering to jealous and , smite you down, and shit like that issuing from the apparent Gods own word ????

Also combine this with the "missing link" that I don't think is there to find anyway,abduction, intervention, and the genetic creation of a slave race ie us, to to the bidding of the said GOD.
I think GOD in the bible is an imposter, how can he love and hate ....bieng perfection ?? How can we love a God like this ?? Beyond me.

OK a loaded question but an interesting tangent don't you think pepes ??


P1

G'day Phoenix.

Shining a light brother......definitely a ruling entity that went from overt (the old testament) to covert (the new testament). Same shit....different cover on the book.

With LOVE.