The Two Divisions

[zero1]

Reality is divided between two realms of existence - The Matrix or Womb realm; the physical world which is maya, illusion, having no substantial authenticty or eternity, being impermanent, full of attachments and karmic, but real in the sense that illusions exist, and are experiential. The other side of reality is the Diamond realm, the spiritual realm of experience, the here-and-now of mind, the breath of spirit, the crystalized consciousness which is nirvanaic, supra-sensible, eternal and perfect. Where these two meet and conjoin, that's where you are, where I AM. Ultimate Reality.

[krakhead]

Reality is divided between two realms of existence - The Matrix or Womb realm; the physical world which is maya, illusion, having no substantial authenticty or eternity, being impermanent, full of attachments and karmic, but real in the sense that illusions exist, and are experiential. The other side of reality is the Diamond realm, the spiritual realm of experience, the here-and-now of mind, the breath of spirit, the crystalized consciousness which is nirvanaic, supra-sensible, eternal and perfect. Where these two meet and conjoin, that's where you are, where I AM. Ultimate Reality.

Shouldn't that have ended with - IMO?

[zero1]

Shouldn't that have ended with - IMO?

Truth is not a matter of opinion, but...okay, I take your point. IMO. :);)

[empyblessing]

Truth is not a matter of opinion, but...okay, I take your point. IMO. :);)

IMO it is a matter of opinion. :p

[zero1]

IMO it is a matter of opinion. :p

That's only your opinion. :D

[zero1]

My opinion, and the considered gnosis of countless generations of esoteric Buddhist masters.

I can't post links on DI, but if you're truly interested in the truth, check out the Mandala of the Two Divisions (Vajurayana Buddhism, sometimes called the Mandala of the Two Realms) on Wikipedia or Google.

Understanding the mandala encompasses the entirety of the Mahayana teaching, and thus a core body of knowlege traceable to the original historical Buddha, Gautama.

[noobcybot]

What do you think about the idea that the agenda has hijacked many of those teachings. Do you think Buddah was just an enlightened human, what about Jesus. I see that a lot of the teachings in these religions is very pure and posative and indeed true as far as our perception of reality cam handle. But I still see the same stories of a son born of a virgin/spiritual entity ( a white elephant if thats right? ) that lead me to think that they have at least been tampered with.
I have heard Tibetan Buddhists have predicted an alien race will save us in 2012 while channeling, I have heard the Dalai Llamer say that UFOs are thoughtforms and such, I know he is not exactly the last word in enlightenment and does not represent all Buddhists but what do you make of this Zero?
Also could anyone tell me if Buddhists think of this world as hell and the spiritual realm as heaven? Do any Buddhists mention an evil consciousness or even reptilians?

[kblood]

I just saw a vid about Buddah quite possible had teached Jesus his ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEq9KPbFc2A

[mauviene]

Gnosticism is by far the most archaic and developed esoteric ideological system. The OP posted a glimpse from the eastern sect of it obviously, but it's much much deeper than that.

Reptilian conspiracy theories mirror gnostic teachings in a way. The whole concept of some trans-dimensional entities secretly in control of this realm is similar to the gnostic view that the archons were appointed lords of this world by the demi-urge (imperfect creator) and the path to salvation is to attain gnosis (true knowledge or "enlightment") of the perfect creator and develop the diamond body (the electro-magnetic replication of your physical body) and ascend into true reality after death.

Really intriguing theories I'd say, but I'm naturally attracted to heretic writings so I'm not surprised I would find them so.

[shankara]

IMO, I agree that illusion exists, and is the delusion of separation and limitation, but also know that necessary, it must be real. It is necessarily because if God/Oneness/Absolute Being is infinite and all that is ("One without a second") the substance of illusion must also be God, yet the illusion is that we misinterpret what it is (God) as something limited (the world and limited/separate personalities). True non-dualism cannot have an eternal division between reality and maya; illusion must be a manifestation of reality/God, by choice, for the purpose of some higher good, otherwise illusion would be somehow imposing it's will on an infinite, omnipotent God (which includes/is us) that doesn't want to experience it. All life experience, including illusion and suffering, must be experienced in the larger sense as joyous.

[zero1]

IMO, I agree that illusion exists, and is the delusion of separation and limitation, but also know that necessary, it must be real. It is necessarily because if God/Oneness/Absolute Being is infinite and all that is ("One without a second") the substance of illusion must also be God, yet the illusion is that we misinterpret what it is (God) as something limited (the world and limited/separate personalities). True non-dualism cannot have an eternal division between reality and maya; illusion must be a manifestation of reality/God, by choice, for the purpose of some higher good, otherwise illusion would be somehow imposing it's will on an infinite, omnipotent God (which includes/is us) that doesn't want to experience it. All life experience, including illusion and suffering, must be experienced in the larger sense as joyous.

Yes, good post.

I agree with you, and that's why it is clear to one who understands that the opposition of reality and maya is only ever made by the psyche mired in duality; in the Two Divisions of the Mandala, the Matrix/womb-realm and the Diamond-realm are both valid aspects of wider holisitc Reality, neither is entirely "real" or "unreal" by the comprehesion of Mind but rather surreal in that context. That is the nondual perspective.

Also why we can say, even in Zen, that "God", "Reality" "Enlightenment", "Gnosis" and "Theosis" are quantatively all words that ultimately describe the same thing.

[shankara]

Yes, good post.

I agree with you, and that's why it is clear to one who understands that the opposition of reality and maya is only ever made by the psyche mired in duality; in the Two Divisions of the Mandala, the Matrix/womb-realm and the Diamond-realm are both valid aspects of wider holisitc Reality, neither is entirely "real" or "unreal" by the comprehesion of Mind but rather surreal in that context. That is the nondual perspective.

Also why we can say, even in Zen, that "God", "Reality" "Enlightenment", "Gnosis" and "Theosis" are quantatively all words that ultimately describe the same thing.

Could you please explain a bit about the Matrix/womb and Diamond realm? Are these Zen concepts or do they originate elsewhere? I am somewhat well versed in Vedanta (first through Nisargadatta Maharaj/Ramana Maharshi and later Sri Aurobindo), but I am not at all familiar with Zen. Thanks.

[bluestar]

BEAUTY AND THE FALLEN KINGDOM
Q. I have always held the philosophy that it is important to strive to fully enjoy the many beauties of this world. Is this wrong?

A . The 'beauty' of this world is but a shade of the true Beauty. The fallen kingdom in which we live is beneath the divine Kingdom in terms of vibration. Our world is not included in God's Beauty. It is in absolute disharmony with the divine Purpose in regard to world and mankind. It does not vibrate with God's Plan. This world, this human race and everything thereof are not in harmony with the intercosmic Divine Radiation of Beauty. They are in conflict with and in contradiction with the Light-power activity of the Logos, which bears and sustains the entire Creation.

The other Kingdom, the Kingdom to which we are called back by Christ, the Nirvana of which the Buddha spoke, the Kingdom of Tao to which Lao Tzu testified, that Kingdom of God which is not of this world. . . that is the divine World to which we must return before we can truly en-Joy Life's Beauty, for that is the only place where Life and Beauty actually exist. Humanity's sham existence is a living death, and it has been so for eons. The only reason that Avatars and saints incarnate or develop upon Earth is to pull fallen souls out of this world of the shadow. Only in the other World of absoluteness, that World of Eternal Life, of Divine Light can we know freedom from pain and delusion and so partake in God's Beauty. All 'enjoyment' in the fallen kingdom is but a faint echo of the original Joy.

The real Work of Christ during this stage on Earth, the immediate consequences of the approaching Christine Power, must be a breaking-up and disintegration of the shadow, of the distorted reflection of God's Perfection, with all the attendant consequences, hence the preparation, right now, of the Ark.

'Life' in the shadowlands is but a travesty of the supernal Life in the real World. Everything in the fallen regions is in a perpetual state of decay, of atrophy and of death. Medical science has found that even in the womb the first signs of wear and aging appear in the child. This should bring us to the logical conclusion that existence as we know it does not bear the mark of Eternity or, therefore, true Life and Beauty. All disease, misery, disharmony and resultant suffering in humanity's field of existence are the tangible proof that this fallen kingdom, this world and this humanity, are not included in the great Universal Beauty of God. How could it be otherwise?

Humanity has been wandering about for eons, in incarnation upon incarnation, going through the same experiences hundreds and thousands of times in this darkened world of the treadmill, of perpetual repetition, of cyclic rising, glimmering, fading and dying. Humanity, the prodigal son, has been wandering these bleak shores for ages and ages, with its unappeased appetites, its passionate struggle and its vain attempts to escape from the suffering caused by its self-created error.

Now, mankind seeks to enjoy and even improve the fallen kingdom, which is impossible, for it has been set apart from the Kingdom of God; it is an emergency order, established by Divine Fiat in order to prevent fallen man from destroying himself completely. The so-called joys of the fallen universe are only imitative, a parody of the divine Joys known in the transcendental Universe, and there is no prospect of improving the fallen kingdom; it can never be done, but this is the great delusion in which so many people believe, and which, therefore, distracts them from the true Path that leads out of the fallen kingdom and back into the original divine Kingdom. Any focus upon the fallen world simply perpetuates man's incarceration there, and this is the crux that you need to grasp before you are out of immediate danger and before you can truly help others spiritually.

Symposiums, world-concerts, entertainment, science, art, politics, environmental work, world-peace meditations, etc., etc. are all part of the great lie that seeks to keep mankind trapped - forever. No amount of goodwill without true Knowledge can avail mankind anything more than an extended stay in the fallen kingdom, as it ensnares him ever deeper in the mire of illusion. And even today, on the eve of world-transfiguration, billions are still falling for it. Billions are still eating of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil - duality. All the selfless activity, all the dualistic knowledge, all the efforts to help mankind in the fallen kingdom are as nothing if they do not lead to Liberation.

There can never be any real peace without right understanding of how duality works in the fallen world. Although peace vigils have their value, the kind of divine force needed to help planet Earth today in its advanced state of imbalance and corruption cannot be mustered via the heterogeneous vibrations of the masses, no matter how compassionate groups may feel. By 'beaming light at Iraq', for example, the dark forces will become more enraged. Humanity is in need of the aid of far more powerful forces than it possesses by itself, and this aid is on its way.

Again, I say: obtain Knowledge and true understanding before you take one more step out into the morass that is ignorantly called 'life' here on Earth.

If a person received the spirit of Truth in our teachings, he would drop everything - everything - and follow the Christ (which today means active and uncompromising collaboration with the group-Avatar). The realization of the truth of mankind's fallen condition ever compels the soul to dash toward the portal of Liberation while offering to share the truth with others. Personal sentimentalities disguised as blessings - such as 'love and light', 'peace on Earth', etc. - are not the expressions of a rightly-informed mind.

The multitudes are so busy and distracted with dualistic work, with dualistic peace and dualistic love - which proceeds from the personal self - thereby directly serving the archons and aeons of the fallen, dualistic realm, that they have forgotten the words of Jesus: "Seek and ye shall find," and the words of the Buddha: "He who seeks the Truth with diligence and detachment will find it, and it will enlighten him".

The history of this sunken world is strewn with the records of trillions of well-intentioned men who fancied that they were ready to show others the Way and so who left the path of seeking Truth prematurely only in order to, once again, become themselves lost in the wilderness of the dark labyrinth that is the fallen kingdom. If one, therefore, seeks for Beauty in this world, he shall be forever disappointed, and worse, he shall, if he persists, be enticed down many of the well-trodden paths to arrive eventually at the centre of the luciferic maze in utter frustration and even despair. Often it takes such experience for souls to turn wholeheartedly towards the divine Kingdom, to God, which is not of this world.


http://thenewcall.org/q_a/b1.htm#beauty

[zero1]

The Mandala of the Two Realms (Jp. 両界曼荼羅 Ryōkai mandara), also known as the Mandala of the Two Divisions (Jp. 両部曼荼羅 Ryōbu mandara), is a set of two mandalas depicting both the Five Wisdom Buddhas of the Diamond Realm as well as the Five Wisdom Kings of the Womb Realm. The number of deities arranged around the cores varies, but may range as high as 414.

The Diamond Realm represents the unchanging cosmic principle of the Buddha, while the Womb Realm depicts the active, physical manifestation of Buddha in the natural world. The Mandalas are thus considered a compact expression of the entirety of the Dharma in Mahayana Buddhism, and form the root of the Vajrayana teachings. Japanese Shingon temples, in particular, often prominently display the Mandalas of the Two Realms mounted at right angles to the image platform on the central altar.



So...

Matrix (Womb) realm - the Six Lower Realms in Mahayana, those being Heaven (Angels, Gods, etc. also called Deva realm), Hell (also called naraka, demons, devils, Lord Mara etc), Asura realm (beast realm, giants, similar to annunaki, reptiles, fallen angels, nephilim etc), Ghost realm (also called Hungry Ghost realm, likened to Astral or etheric spirit realm), Human realm (the Univeral material world percieved through human consciousness) and Animal realm (the same percieved through the consciousness of animals, also Instincts, lower base human drives/impulses etc).

Diamond Realm - corresponds to the Four Higher Realms in Buddhism, those being simply Learning, Realization, Liberation and Buddhahood.

Interestingly, there are Five Wisdom KINGS for the worldly Matrix realm, but Five Wisdom BUDDHAS for the Diamond.

This is high esoteric Vajrayana Buddhism, also popular in Zen (Mahayana) teaching.