The Dark Knight 911

[informationx]

I saw this poster today, reminded my of the hole in one of the world trade center buildings. I'm not saying the batman poster was made deliberately that way - just reminded me of 911.

http://screenrant.com/images/april-dark-knight-poster.jpghttp://www.new-york-document-scanning.com/on-site-scanning_files/9-11-01_850am_from_my_apt2.jpeg

[dangermouse]

There is even molten metal dripping out ;)

[3stepsahead]

Better watch out batman, that building is coming down.

[tom bombadil]

But dont worry....it will be straight down...in a controled way


Tom.

[thetonic]

But dont worry....it will be straight down...in a controled way


Tom.

lol:D

[logic bomb]

...and Gotham was always supposed to represent Manhattan.

[orbandsceptre27]

...and Gotham was always supposed to represent Manhattan.


...............and Heath Ledger died in Manhattan, spooky!

[octopusrex]

Ooops.

[3stepsahead]

so, is batty the machoistic leatherman that set the towers on fire?

now that would be a interesting movie for once.

[mcthompson2x]

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I love the new Batman movie and I love Batman, don't get me wrong. But as I was going to sleep last night, I was trying to put random bits of information
together and the obvious fact that The Dark Knight is a subliminal message to our cultural psyche slapped me right in the face. The Dark Knight - Batman - a billionaire who operates outside of the law to put the "forces of chaos" in order? He has to operate outside of the law because the police are corrupt. In the movie, in order to stop the Joker, a domestic terrorist who only wants to "see the world burn," Batman must create a net in order to spy on every single person in Gotham City. Even though he knows this is evil, he thinks it is a necessary evil to stop the completely chaotic mess of a domestic terrorist, the Joker.

TOTAL PROPAGANDA!

If this movie were realistic, Batman would have purposely caused the corruption of the police force in order to establish his right to dominate his opponents. I love how the police just let Batman go in the end, and lie about the corrupted politician Harvey Dent. Somehow the hero Batman justifies lying about Harvey Dent's corruption in order to keep public hope alive. I wonder what the point is in keeping up the perception of hope when there is none in regards to the system. Batman keeps the system afloat by lying about Harvey Dent, when you would think Batman would see how completely insane the system was to begin with. This movie is trying to make us think that the billionaire's that operate outside of the law - the billionaire's who SPY on EVERYONE in order to catch ONE TERRORIST - are actually a necessary evil, the friends we must pretend are enemies. It's totally sympathetic. Of course, the propaganda film leaves out the fact that the billionaire's are sick perverts and child molesters, murderers and tyrants. Bruce Wayne acts arrogant and is the picture of a capitalist jackass, but in the darkness of night - the guise of darkness and secrets! - Batman defends truth, justice and the American way. Yeah right. I love Batman and when you divorce this movie of the political connotation, it's completely amazing and it has the best rendition of the Joker ever brought to life on any screen.

The Joker is supposed to represent the domestic terrorist who only wants to see the world burn. He hates the system and will kill innocent people in order to prove his point. He resorts to tactics used thus far only by terrorists with different skin colors in our real-life war on terror. Batman was meant to prepare us - our Dark Knight saviors will come and take away the bad guys, who have the ability to look like you and I now!

I love this movie, but I hate what it's meant to do. It seems blatantly obvious when you step outside of the comic book realm and look at the film as a political allegory. Once you do that, you want to punch Batman in the face for letting the corruption continue in the first place.

But like all lies, there is some truth that manages to pull itself through the garbage. The movie openly admits that Batman's existence is what draws madness to Gotham in the first place. I think it's safe to say that the existence of the Satanic Illuminati (The Dark Knight - the "Illuminated Ones" who will usher in "peace" and dish out "justice" to "evildoers") justifies all of the evil committed by the free agents that are influenced by it's subtle control.

I have a love/hate relationship with this movie now!

[willard]

The corruption depends on the choice of every individual to participate. from the cops who were bought by the mob to capture Harvey Dent, the politicians who got dirt on everyone to leverage political gain. The stark and blunt example of the people on the boats who were offered the choice of perpetuating their comfort and convenience at other people's expense.

Joker's boat stunt failed because he hadn't broken and mesmerised the passengers and crew on those boats, they were just confused and simply decided to leave fate in someone elses hands an act of connivance and a wilful determination to face fate whatever may come rather than destroy anyone elses even when there is no guarantee it will ensure one's own safety.

A film can't brainwash an active mind.

[mcthompson2x]

A film can't brainwash an active mind.

I completely agree and honestly, I don't know how much this film will succeed in brainwashing most Americans either. It seems like obvious propaganda to me, but when the deeds of the "Illuminated ones" are exposed to the public they won't see the Batman parallel at all. It's just supposed to instill trust in people and make them think that they will be protected. But I don't think people are so stupid - they'll just see it as a Batman movie, hopefully.

I don't think that the huge opening weekend and the bad publicity for Christian Bale was a coincidence... or Heath Ledger's odd death for that matter!

[noobcybot]

I personally knew the guys who trained Bale in the martial arts style (I will not mention specifics, but anyone who wishes to google it will find out) for the film as they used to teach me. I would not read so much into it, but I will say they are not very nice people. The school may look like a money making operation now, but the style is very brutal and is often concearned with pain overload techniques. I could tell you stories of the fights they have been in that would turn your stomach, the creator started fighting down Spanish mines at eight years ( at this age a level of violence that most people dont really think about at all ), I know this will inspire yawns in many posters here, but if you ever wanted to see a transformation into a reptilian they should watch him in a serious fight. The method now has taken a strange "personal growth" stance, I might suggest the creators of this dont practice what they preach.
Related to the film series and its NWO themes, probably not? But the fighting method they chose for it is much more Kobra Kai than karate kid. Inhenantly violent with a false guise of physical and mental lifestyle development, I never really enjoyed my time training there. A rift caused by the attitudes of the creators and the film connections (and the money making that went with it) allowed some of us to see their true colours. It was a microcosm that funnily enough plays out a lot like this conspiracy shit. There is a lot more to this story that I would like to relate but its a bit tetchy online.
In any case, the movie seems to be creating a hugh buzz. Has anyone seen myspace recently?

[willard]

When you say it's wierd about Heath's death, someone pointed out on http://www.whysoserious.com that on the Joker's to do list was 'fake own death'.

If I was Heath's Dad I would ask for that to be taken down.

[rixxmixxhell]

I personally knew the guys who trained Bale in the martial arts style (I will not mention specifics, but anyone who wishes to google it will find out) for the film as they used to teach me. I would not read so much into it, but I will say they are not very nice people. The school may look like a money making operation now, but the style is very brutal and is often concearned with pain overload techniques. I could tell you stories of the fights they have been in that would turn your stomach, the creator started fighting down Spanish mines at eight years ( at this age a level of violence that most people dont really think about at all ), I know this will inspire yawns in many posters here, but if you ever wanted to see a transformation into a reptilian they should watch him in a serious fight. The method now has taken a strange "personal growth" stance, I might suggest the creators of this dont practice what they preach.
Related to the film series and its NWO themes, probably not? But the fighting method they chose for it is much more Kobra Kai than karate kid. Inhenantly violent with a false guise of physical and mental lifestyle development, I never really enjoyed my time training there. A rift caused by the attitudes of the creators and the film connections (and the money making that went with it) allowed some of us to see their true colours. It was a microcosm that funnily enough plays out a lot like this conspiracy shit. There is a lot more to this story that I would like to relate but its a bit tetchy online.
In any case, the movie seems to be creating a hugh buzz. Has anyone seen myspace recently?

Noob, please don't say things like that and not tell. It';s like someone saying, oh i got a good story, but nah can't be bothered to tell.

Cummon giv us something im bored and it's Friday night. :)

Also nice post MCtompson, nice little article there.
Rick

[mcthompson2x]

You know, it also occurred to me just now: Heath Ledger's death is going to make this movie stick in the American conscience for decades, and represent true American ideals in that respect. Or at least it would if they could maintain their own bullshit for that long. I'd bet money Heath Ledger is going to get that Academy Award... just like all of their sacrifices, they're going to cover this one up with accolades and tearful lies.

[rixxmixxhell]

Yes, good observations their tompson. It is so easy to see past their pathetic projects.

Yet, able to fool the deep slumber pub(ass)lic(kers)

[space lizard]

I started another thread about this about a week ago. I agree illuminati mindfuck.

[hewrote]

"wanna' know how I got these stars!!?!?! WHY SO SIRIUS!!!!!!!!!!?"

no, a terrible movie. the illuminati will have to do MUCH better than that if they're attempting to "mind fuck". I admit to watching it, another sucker doling out a mere $7.50 to see mindless violence.

[ultimate]

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2070/039blackknightlt7.jpg

[mcthompson2x]

"wanna' know how I got these stars!!?!?! WHY SO SIRIUS!!!!!!!!!!?"

no, a terrible movie. the illuminati will have to do MUCH better than that if they're attempting to "mind fuck". I admit to watching it, another sucker doling out a mere $7.50 to see mindless violence.

The Illuminati doesn't have to craft intelligent, digestible propaganda anymore at all. Just look at the television... almost all of it is incredibly obvious and transparent.

[loderlive]

Scary how his life and personality links with the Joker.

[thetonic]

This movie has a ton of propaganda slipped into the script and visually as well...

Just look at the movie poster, no where in the movie does this scene take place yet they feel they need to show a winged hole in the side of a skyscraper eh?... Fook that !


http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/spi/library/300tdkposter.jpg

[ultimate]

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2070/039blackknightlt7.jpghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkvI4jdciho

[_invisibleplane_]

http://atlanteanjournal.blogspot.com/2008/03/heath-ledger-and-five-points-of-rennes.html pt1

http://atlanteanjournal.blogspot.com/2008/03/heath-ledger-five-points-of-rennes-le.html pt2

http://dedroidify.blogspot.com/2008/07/heath-ledger-syncfest-crows-ravens-bats.html


some strange info in those links that definitely hint at some underlying symbolism

[ultimate]

http://www.imdb.com/chart/top

[multiversal]

First off, SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS'





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I love the new Batman movie and I love Batman, don't get me wrong. But as I was going to sleep last night, I was trying to put random bits of information
together and the obvious fact that The Dark Knight is a subliminal message to our cultural psyche slapped me right in the face. The Dark Knight - Batman - a billionaire who operates outside of the law to put the "forces of chaos" in order? He has to operate outside of the law because the police are corrupt. In the movie, in order to stop the Joker, a domestic terrorist who only wants to "see the world burn," Batman must create a net in order to spy on every single person in Gotham City. Even though he knows this is evil, he thinks it is a necessary evil to stop the completely chaotic mess of a domestic terrorist, the Joker.

TOTAL PROPAGANDA!

If this movie were realistic, Batman would have purposely caused the corruption of the police force in order to establish his right to dominate his opponents. I love how the police just let Batman go in the end, and lie about the corrupted politician Harvey Dent. Somehow the hero Batman justifies lying about Harvey Dent's corruption in order to keep public hope alive. I wonder what the point is in keeping up the perception of hope when there is none in regards to the system. Batman keeps the system afloat by lying about Harvey Dent, when you would think Batman would see how completely insane the system was to begin with. This movie is trying to make us think that the billionaire's that operate outside of the law - the billionaire's who SPY on EVERYONE in order to catch ONE TERRORIST - are actually a necessary evil, the friends we must pretend are enemies. It's totally sympathetic. Of course, the propaganda film leaves out the fact that the billionaire's are sick perverts and child molesters, murderers and tyrants. Bruce Wayne acts arrogant and is the picture of a capitalist jackass, but in the darkness of night - the guise of darkness and secrets! - Batman defends truth, justice and the American way. Yeah right. I love Batman and when you divorce this movie of the political connotation, it's completely amazing and it has the best rendition of the Joker ever brought to life on any screen.

The Joker is supposed to represent the domestic terrorist who only wants to see the world burn. He hates the system and will kill innocent people in order to prove his point. He resorts to tactics used thus far only by terrorists with different skin colors in our real-life war on terror. Batman was meant to prepare us - our Dark Knight saviors will come and take away the bad guys, who have the ability to look like you and I now!

I love this movie, but I hate what it's meant to do. It seems blatantly obvious when you step outside of the comic book realm and look at the film as a political allegory. Once you do that, you want to punch Batman in the face for letting the corruption continue in the first place.

But like all lies, there is some truth that manages to pull itself through the garbage. The movie openly admits that Batman's existence is what draws madness to Gotham in the first place. I think it's safe to say that the existence of the Satanic Illuminati (The Dark Knight - the "Illuminated Ones" who will usher in "peace" and dish out "justice" to "evildoers") justifies all of the evil committed by the free agents that are influenced by it's subtle control.

I have a love/hate relationship with this movie now!


Mate, you have a biased view. You fail to mention that his "spying" is highly contested by his number 2 and you fail to mention that yes batman initiated spying but he also programmed the system to destruct once The Joker had been caught.

Also, you fail to mention that whilst The Joker is psychotic, I would suggest that he has legitimate point with his view on the world but goes the wrong way about proving it.

There are many films out there that are obviously trying to coerce you in to a way of thinking but this film was more of a social commentary - a symbolic reflection on life in today's world. If anything it's a warning, a way of saying to the viewers - "This is how the world is today, you have the power to change it". It clearly says - in my opinion - that no one person is responsible for why the world is as it is today and that we're all responsible.

It's a fantastic movie, it's fantastically shot, acted and written. The subtext will go missing on some but it won't on others. It's not a mind fuck, it's a disection of todays world.

One word to describe this film - awsome.

[mcthompson2x]

Mate, you have a biased view. You fail to mention that his "spying" is highly contested by his number 2 and you fail to mention that yes batman initiated spying but he also programmed the system to destruct once The Joker had been caught.

Also, you fail to mention that whilst The Joker is psychotic, I would suggest that he has legitimate point with his view on the world but goes the wrong way about proving it.

There are many films out there that are obviously trying to coerce you in to a way of thinking but this film was more of a social commentary - a symbolic reflection on life in today's world. If anything it's a warning, a way of saying to the viewers - "This is how the world is today, you have the power to change it". It clearly says - in my opinion - that no one person is responsible for why the world is as it is today and that we're all responsible.

It's a fantastic movie, it's fantastically shot, acted and written. The subtext will go missing on some but it won't on others. It's not a mind fuck, it's a disection of todays world.

One word to describe this film - awsome.

You are certainly entitled to your equally valid assessment of the film. I however think you are viewing it from the perspective that propaganda is supposed to represent the truth - it's not. They are looking for the first mandate that they need from the mass populace that it's okay to break the law to go after a domestic terrorist. That's just opinion and take on it, however, and it may very well be incorrect.

[mitch_lane]

multiversal wrote:

Mate, you have a biased view. You fail to mention that his "spying" is highly contested by his number 2 and you fail to mention that yes batman initiated spying but he also programmed the system to destruct once The Joker had been caught.

Also, you fail to mention that whilst The Joker is psychotic, I would suggest that he has legitimate point with his view on the world but goes the wrong way about proving it.

There are many films out there that are obviously trying to coerce you in to a way of thinking but this film was more of a social commentary - a symbolic reflection on life in today's world. If anything it's a warning, a way of saying to the viewers - "This is how the world is today, you have the power to change it". It clearly says - in my opinion - that no one person is responsible for why the world is as it is today and that we're all responsible.

It's a fantastic movie, it's fantastically shot, acted and written. The subtext will go missing on some but it won't on others. It's not a mind fuck, it's a disection of todays world.

One word to describe this film - awsome.

Bravo! This isn't a message movie but more of a reflection of our times and a discussion on whether it is ever right to break the law to protect it and, if so, how far can one go with that. Themes that have been within The Batman comic books, off and on, over the past 60 odd years: it's not new.
mcthompson2x was certainly selective in the points he chose to represent his argument but he also misled: the police did not let Batman go at the end, he took the blame for what Dent had done and went on the run with the police in pursuit- in fact he insisted that Gordon call it in that he was wanted for Dent's killings. He was not protecting the system, he was keeping the hope that Dent represented alive within the soul of the City by becoming the Bad Guy. What he did was heroic beyond measure- because the City must never know. He didn't do it for plaudits but because it is what the City needed to survive. The very epitome of heroic sacrifice.
Plus it is a damn awesome movie.

[fox mulder]

This picture looks like a 9/11 reference to me. (The plane having entered the building)

http://correctopinion.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/the-dark-knight1.jpg

[mercuryrapids]

If you rotate the image 180 degrees, you can see this in the flames:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7753/darkknightposter1gy7.jpg

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2074/darkknightposter2in0.jpg

Coincidence?

[qasrose]

If you rotate the image 180 degrees, you can see this in the flames:

Coincidence?

That just looks like matrixing to me mate.

But to the poster wow. Well spotted on that, If it was not for the bat thing in the middle of the wings then I'd say it was Identical. Also for another reference look at the clouds and smoke around the building?

[steevo]

Looks more like WTC Building 7 so hopefully that may make people subliminally want to know more about THAT subject.

[mynameis]

The nine looks like an upside down "h" with an "s" in the middle. I also recall seeing no building like this in the film....

[stelios]

The original plot for 911 was cooked up along time ago.
For all we know it might have been Stan Lee who came up with the plan.
Bush and Silverstein decided to do it for real.
By the time the Lone Gunmen was made the real plot must have already been in full swing. It had to wait until Bush was elected and Silverstein and Frank Lowy had bought the WTC.

[americana]

The nine looks like an upside down "h" with an "s" in the middle. I also recall seeing no building like this in the film....

Neither do I.

"Gotham" (shot in Chicago, from what I've read) is much more modern than that building.

[thetonic]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31455&highlight=dark+knight&page=2

[thebarfly1]

Saw this last night.... and one thing i didnt see mentioned here....

The scene where Joker is going to give the mob back their money and keep his "share".... He slides down from a freaking pyramid made of bales of cash before telling the goon that he cares not for the money but something about the chaos and what whatnot and burns the damn pyramid from the bottom up!

Made me sit up in my seat when i saw him standing on top of this pyramid!

http://i29.tinypic.com/15oj9l1.jpg

edit: haha just noticed the sign in the background - "Iron Man Opening Weekend Box Office Intake" - nice touch

[3stepsahead]

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2070/039blackknightlt7.jpg

ROFL nice

[edelweiss pirate]

multiversal wrote:



Bravo! This isn't a message movie but more of a reflection of our times and a discussion on whether it is ever right to break the law to protect it and, if so, how far can one go with that. Themes that have been within The Batman comic books, off and on, over the past 60 odd years: it's not new.
mcthompson2x was certainly selective in the points he chose to represent his argument but he also misled: the police did not let Batman go at the end, he took the blame for what Dent had done and went on the run with the police in pursuit- in fact he insisted that Gordon call it in that he was wanted for Dent's killings. He was not protecting the system, he was keeping the hope that Dent represented alive within the soul of the City by becoming the Bad Guy. What he did was heroic beyond measure- because the City must never know. He didn't do it for plaudits but because it is what the City needed to survive. The very epitome of heroic sacrifice.
Plus it is a damn awesome movie.

So he's a Jesus figure. Or at least, conforming to the Christian 'he died for us' version.

Is this movie little more than a comfort blanket thrown to an apathetic and frightened Nation?

Would have been better if there was a more positive 'do it yourself' message rather than the same reliance on inaccessible and fantastical heroes. V for Vendetta knock Batman for six in terms of empowerment and heroism (despite being a trojan horse destruction movie)..

And I didn't like his growley whisper at all. Much too silly.

[mariag]

I saw this poster today, reminded my of the hole in one of the world trade center buildings. I'm not saying the batman poster was made deliberately that way - just reminded me of 911.

http://screenrant.com/images/april-dark-knight-poster.jpghttp://www.new-york-document-scanning.com/on-site-scanning_files/9-11-01_850am_from_my_apt2.jpeg


I´m not saying that Heath Ledger was Deliberately Put Aside but hey what do I know?Whats another JOKER anyway?



I´ll leave it for your own imagination , lets make pretend that this life is grand and glorious and that there are no such things as a bloddly ritualistiuc murder in a strange and odd city called Gotham City one cold and lonely night on 22 of january.
Leave it to imagination .

[mr_pixie]

There is even molten metal dripping out ;)

There was no molten metal on 9/11 that's disinfo BIG TIME!

Pepole have been taken in by this, even I was posting molten metal disinfo about 16 months untill I woke up!

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/dirt4.html

Listen to this radio interview Judy is in the second part of this recording. you can start it at 34 mins in.

Lauren Moray DU Issues and Prof Judy Wood - More WTC Dirt Analysis - Dynamic Duo - 19 June 2007.mp3 (7.9 MB) (Modified: Jun 20 2007 01:53:33 PM) (Lauren Moray DU Issues and Prof Judy Wood - More WTC Dirt Analysis - Dynamic Duo - 19 June 2007.mp3 (7.9 MB) (Modified: Jun 20 2007 01:53:33 PM))

Sorry I could get the above link to work. Click on the link below and scroll down to Lauren Moray and click on that link it should be the second one in purple., and start it at 34 mins in.

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=67

[mynameis]

There was no molten metal on 9/11 that's disinfo BIG TIME!

Pepole have been taken in by this, even I was posting molten metal disinfo about 16 months untill I woke up!

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/dirt4.html

Listen to this radio interview Judy is in the second part of this recording. you can start it at 34 mins in.

Lauren Moray DU Issues and Prof Judy Wood - More WTC Dirt Analysis - Dynamic Duo - 19 June 2007.mp3 (7.9 MB) (Modified: Jun 20 2007 01:53:33 PM) (Lauren Moray DU Issues and Prof Judy Wood - More WTC Dirt Analysis - Dynamic Duo - 19 June 2007.mp3 (7.9 MB) (Modified: Jun 20 2007 01:53:33 PM))

Sorry I could get the above link to work. Click on the link below and scroll down to Lauren Moray and click on that link it should be the second one in purple., and start it at 34 mins in.

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=67

Right and I'm a millionaire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_jiCyMkrRM

[mr_pixie]

Right and I'm a millionaire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_jiCyMkrRM

Fake video!

[mynameis]

Fake video!

Somethings are fake of that much I am certain! :eek:

[mr_pixie]

Your all being mind controlled on here.

[goldman]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif

How convenient, the building topples down on the point of the molten metal:

http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/wtc2-corner/top-rotation-08.jpg
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/wtc2-corner/wtc2-corner-9-53-51.jpg

These images depict what the parimeter panels looked like going in, and provide a limited understanding of how the panels were secured to the rest of the structure. The fact that the panel broke loose with what appears to have been a minimum of structural deformation suggests that it may have been loosened prior to the airplane impact.

http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/vortices/perimeter-panel.jpg
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/vortices/perimeter-wall.jpg

how about termite cut beams, or NASA images, or electron microscopic evidence done by metallurgists suggesting termite and sulfuric residues.

http://piratenews.org/thermite-thermate-wtc-steel400.jpg
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/docs/WTC_apndxC_img_11.jpg
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/world_trade_center/docs/molten002sm.jpg

[edelweiss pirate]

Looking at those pictures of the massive thick steel exoskeleton of the WTC I just ask myself

"HOW THE HELL DOES AN ALUMINIUM SHELL AIRLINER MELT INTO A STRENGTHENED STEEL BUILDING?"...

How?

I know it's slightly off topic but look at the bloody thing!

There was no plane! No way!

[mynameis]

Looking at those pictures of the massive thick steel exoskeleton of the WTC I just ask myself

"HOW THE HELL DOES AN ALUMINIUM SHELL AIRLINER MELT INTO A STRENGTHENED STEEL BUILDING?"...

How?

I know it's slightly off topic but look at the bloody thing!

There was no plane! No way!

Icebergs can break steel think of the titanic and that wasn't even moving very fast.

[goldman]

Noticed that the molten metal is located on the spot where two of those plates are connected? the "splice plates". Since a whole plate has 3 beams, on exactly that spot it was cut if you look at the molten metal pool in the 4th window.

In other words, two of those plates have been cut using "termade", combination of silver, termite and sulfur. The only substance that can cut trough steal fast enough.

The bright light indicates termite is used, there is no other way to produce such a bright light than having molten metal. This has been proven, but no-one knows where the termite came from, so the only conclusion is: it must have been planted on the joint plates, cutting them trough and weaken it's structure.

[goldman]

Sorry for the double post, but I transposed the structure over the molten metal, and you'll see the joints were being cut, how convenient!

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7104/wtc2corner95351newme5.jpg

[mr_pixie]

Noticed that the molten metal is located on the spot where two of those plates are connected? the "splice plates". Since a whole plate has 3 beams, on exactly that spot it was cut if you look at the molten metal pool in the 4th window.

In other words, two of those plates have been cut using "termade", combination of silver, termite and sulfur. The only substance that can cut trough steal fast enough.

The bright light indicates termite is used, there is no other way to produce such a bright light than having molten metal. This has been proven, but no-one knows where the termite came from, so the only conclusion is: it must have been planted on the joint plates, cutting them trough and weaken it's structure.

The Nasa hot spots are fake photos my freind! Do you trust Nasa? In one of the big hot spots there's a big hole with water in the bottom and men climbing into it, dont you think if there was a hot temp the men would burn up? in fact why wasnt any one burnt on 9/11? Certently not the resuce workers, and if they are hosing down the whole site wouldnt there be steam explosions if there was molten metal down there?

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/dirt4.html

[goldman]

These aren't NASA photo's, I did not post those, so what's the deal here?

Since no-one seems to debunk the pools of molten metal (which is theoretically impossible to debunk as impact debris) it seems staged. There is no other explanation to it.

[mr_pixie]

These aren't NASA photo's, I did not post those, so what's the deal here?

Since no-one seems to debunk the pools of molten metal (which is theoretically impossible to debunk as impact debris) it seems staged. There is no other explanation to it.

Dr Judy wood has debunk the molten metal story, ie How were the firemen able to get into the basement if there was motlen metal everywere?

Plus i'm not queit sure what your going on about nasa photo's ? So were did the those hot spot images come from?

Look there was no heat, no steam, and no molten metal! If there was, no one would be able to walk over the very small dust pile + some aluminium clading from the out side of the towers and a few bent and twisted steel beams.

[goldman]

No molten metal? I guess you need to clean your glasses, because no fire reaches that kind of brightness, see the flames left, those are orange, the normal color of flames. This is pure melting metal, metal from the plates.

[goldman]

So, who is lying here? I'd like to get to the bottom of it now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9qEIlNVl5s

[mr_pixie]

No molten metal? I guess you need to clean your glasses, because no fire reaches that kind of brightness, see the flames left, those are orange, the normal color of flames. This is pure melting metal, metal from the plates.


Have you ever thought that video clip of the towers and whats ment to look like molten metal could of been digatly altered, or that the stills are photo shop?

Look at the evidence mate it couldnt of been hot if people were standing on it. Plus it would of stopped the diggers from working.

[mr_pixie]

So, who is lying here? I'd like to get to the bottom of it now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9qEIlNVl5s

That fire man is mistakin, he's been told it's hot.

Plus thermite could of been used in the clear up.

[goldman]

The rubble was 7-8 stories high, so you could not stand on it.

Furthermore, maybe the evidence was manipulated later, to remove evidence, ever thought about that?

Tampering with ALL evidence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75BF9BTpbU

[mr_pixie]

The rubble was 7-8 stories high, so you could not stand on it.

Furthermore, maybe the evidence was manipulated later, to remove evidence, ever thought about that?

Tampering with ALL evidence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75BF9BTpbU

Goldman, the rubble was not 7-8 stories all, more disinfo here, the mouds only started to grow the next day after the attacks, mostly bulked up with soil and landfill over the next few months.

Please post the photo stills for this with source of photos.

Tampering with evidence = yes and the rest!

[goldman]

7-8 stories rubble:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBtxGGwp9sc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Dr5y-RPQs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB4UMdwvZI

six weeks later, first responder said: when we get deeper it's like an oven:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_52izzNfdMM

of course, they all lie don't they.

[qasrose]

7-8 stories rubble:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBtxGGwp9sc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Dr5y-RPQs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB4UMdwvZI

six weeks later, first responder said: when we get deeper it's like an oven:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_52izzNfdMM

of course, they all lie don't they.

why did it take them 6 weeks to respond saying it's like an oven?? why not say that right after the attacks? Because There lying

[goldman]

Yep that is admittedly strange, there is so much evidence that speaks against them but also for them, so it's very hard to be conclusive.

On the other hand, the guy who climbed beneath the towers (see above video) went into the subway, and no molten metal is seen. So who is lying here? and why are they lying? That is the question.

[qasrose]

Here is an interesting site I found

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConvectionSchmonvection

About molten lava in movies and tv, I know it's a different thing but it's quite interesting.

And why is there no more other video footage showing the molten metal apart from that video clip u posted???

[mr_pixie]

A lot of movies like Batman put little sutble ideas in peoples heads mostly with imagies like the one at the start of this thread. and it will come in other forms as well.

[mr_pixie]

There was no rubble pile. look in this link! Plus the fireman is standing on top of the rubble. Which means it wasnt hot!

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/dirtpics/search2.jpg

[goldman]

Still:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A

I have a hard time debunking this video, practically how much I want to debunk it, I cannot.

Questions remained unanswered:

- why is there evidence of thermite (c.q. thermate)
- samples have been tested by Prof. Jones, and also NIST and independent metallurgists indicating thermite reaction.
- where does the sulfur come from?
- building 7 was not hit, why is there sulfur found?

I guess anyone who can give answers to this, can debunk the conspiracy. So far, I haven't seen anyone proven counter-evidence on these questions.

[mr_pixie]

Plus thermite has never been used in a controled demontion, next you will be saying themite was painted on steel.

They could never of set all those charges in those towers, (even with power downs) it was something more powerfull then CD+ Thermite/Thermate. And the molten metal myth is part of the cover up.
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[qasrose]

Still:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A

I have a hard time debunking this video, practically how much I want to debunk it, I cannot.

Questions remained unanswered:

- why is there evidence of thermite (c.q. thermate)
- samples have been tested by Prof. Jones, and also NIST and independent metallurgists indicating thermite reaction.
- where does the sulfur come from?
- building 7 was not hit, why is there sulfur found?

I guess anyone who can give answers to this, can debunk the conspiracy. So far, I haven't seen anyone proven counter-evidence on these questions.

9/11 Was an Inside Job Plain And Simple

[goldman]

Thing is, the evidence is all over the place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9gdRST6zM

footage matches with eyewitnesses inside the building:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuq0ANHxvlM

[qasrose]

Thing is, the evidence is all over the place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9gdRST6zM

footage matches with eyewitnesses inside the building:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuq0ANHxvlM

Yes but all this so called evidence is coming out weeks, weeks and weeks later after 9/11. Which means they've had plenty of time to fake it.

[goldman]

That's certainly true. I read this comment on a youtube video somewhere, which is somewhat amusing:

"It was a conspiracy! A number of Arab Islamists got together and CONSPIRED to hijack planes and crash them onto the WTC towers!!" :)

btw last one more: here is a collapse filmed inside one of the towers, before the towers completely crashed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfce_C8GzdE