UK: Wiltshire Police Arrest Man Defending His Home

[mynameis]

Wiltshire UK Police Don’t Show For 2 1/2 Hours, Then Arrest Man Defending His Home

July 9th, 2008

WILTSHIRE, UK - For more than two years, Sydney Davis’s house has been under siege from youths throwing stones.

After two hours of bombardment in the latest attack and no sign of the police, the 65-year-old retired builder decided enough was enough.

As a particularly large missile landed in his kitchen, he grabbed a plank of wood from the garden and ran towards the gang to scare them away.

The police arrived just in time - to arrest Mr Davis for possession of an offensive weapon.

He now faces up to six months in prison. Yesterday Mr Davis said he was bewildered by the decision to prosecute him.

He claims objects have been thrown at his house on 700 separate occasions.

His windows have been smashed five times in eight months.

‘Something needs to be done to stop these kids. They are out there every night,’ he said.

‘One of my neighbours even had a seven-month-old in their kitchen when a brick came through the window.

‘It showered glass across the baby’s face. When these kids see the police they are off through the alleyways. The police have got no chance of catching them.’

Mr Davis’s 42-year- old wife Pauline dialled 999 when their home came under attack yet again last week, but two and a half hours later officers had failed to arrive.

The couple’s two sons, five and seven, were cowering behind the sofa when their father ran at the gang.

He recalled: ‘My wife called the police at 6 o’clock. But [the youths] just kept on throwing stones.

‘I have two kids and if one of those stones hit them it could have caused some really nasty damage.

‘I left the back door open to stop them smashing it.’

When officers arrived outside his home in Swindon, Wiltshire, Mr Davis was handcuffed and led away to the cells, where he was later charged.

The youths ran off. ‘What in the world is this country coming to that the police arrest people like me for protecting their own property?’ he said yesterday.

‘The police say they want to reduce crime, yet they let evil little toe-rags like this off. Then they prosecute hard-working, upstanding residents like me.

The law is, quite simply, a colossal ass.’

Wiltshire police claim to have increased their patrols after two houses in the region were attacked by arsonists.

Officers’ shift patterns were also changed so they would be in the neighbourhood after dark, while the local council is considering blocking-off some of the alleyways.

Yesterday a spokesman confirmed that no youths were arrested in relation to the incident.

Local councillor Justin Tomlinson said homeowners in the area were ‘living in fear’ of unruly youths.

‘We have sympathy with frustrated local residents - the Government continues to ignore a broken society, and therefore it is little wonder that frustrations boil over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1033266/Yobs-threw-rocks-house-years-But-father-fought-arrested.html
http://www.badcopnews.com/2008/07/09/wiltshire-uk-police-dont-show-for-2-12-hours-then-arrest-man-defending-his-home/

[upsetbrit]

My advice to Sydney would be (to use the words of a policeman who gave advice to someone i know) "if you're going to take the law into your own hands, make sure nobody sees you".

The police are useless, i agree. So we, the citizen, must be more cunning than to run down the street with a plank.

My sympathies go out to Sydney however, for he is yet another victim of the system.

[scottmurray]

has this iddiot heard of camcorders

[mynameis]

has this iddiot heard of camcorders

I am guessing he can't afford a decent camera...taxes and all that age for his seniority probably?

[lightworks]

maybe he just wants a quiet life

[pduffy4]

I left this reply on the newspapers story page, don't know if they will print it.

-- "This is disgusting but sadly all too typical of the Justice FOR Criminals system we have instead of a VICTIM Justice system which we should have.

I would ask that the Daily Mail launch a campaign to get the charges against Mr Davis dropped and a change back to sensible Policing which we have lost due to corruption in Goverment and too many medling THINK TANKS!" --



This is simply intolerable!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

THESE LITTLE BASTARDS NEED FUCKING SHOOTING ALONG WITH THEIR PARENTS. DON'T GIVE ME ANY LIBERAL SHIT ABOUT THEIR POOR PARENTS, FUCK 'EM!:mad:

[disorder2k8]

WE should start a security firm that is basically just a bunch of agressive teens with stones. WE pay them to act like tw*ts and throw stones at the other kids for us.

[3stepsahead]

WELL these days you can get a video cam for maybe less than 10 quids tho its probably utterly trash. Also the guy most definately has a ordinary camera to take a whole cabinet of evidence in support. AND neighbour testimonys would have likely made a difference aswell. written reports by davis or receits etc.

I dont say i know anything about the case, maybe hes a icke supporter and needed to be taken down? nonetheless if theres one thing ive learnt on this place is not to jump to conclusions.

If hes allegations are true the police would know very well who and what the situation is. doesnt look like thats the case does it?


i bet its just another fake report to measure the reactions or some disney idea along that line?

[tom bombadil]

scottmurray Said "has this iddiot heard of camcorders"

Even if he did record on tape, he would not be able to film anything beyond his boundry line. That means that to have the image even showing a tiny bit of the outside world he would be snooping. As stones are thrown at a distance he would never be able to prove it!!!!

Sometimes we see in the press that someones neighbour has been caught on camera doing a bad thing. I supose it is up to the judge and whether the press report it that day.

When cameras moved into the commertial district in our town, all the kids moved to the outskirts. We had a window/stone throwing problem that ony stopped when they grew up.

I think the next time around I will have to deal with it personaly and find out where they live and "play knock down ginger on their a**" :cool: I jest of course. I would NEVER take the law into my own gentle hands.


Tom

[resistance]

This sold out government's policies are all too clear, let the youth run riot and go unpunished. It could back fire on them though, because one day these chav's may learn some truth and set their sights on the real enemy, with a bit of luck:D then mr pigy has a problem..

[3stepsahead]

so if you film outside of your property its snooping and cannot be used as evidence ? lol. I know its whack tho. but its not a reason for not doing it.
the thought i had was that if he had any kind of proof of the assaults he should not been charged for defending his property.

this story reeks of something

[adzboarder]

has this iddiot heard of camcorders

They wouldn't accept camcorder evidence in court because, and get this, the perpetrators "didn't give permission to be filmed" - I mean just how fucking ridiculous.

Seriously guys, if this happens to you just tell the police one of them has a gun, or in the present climate "a knife" (woooooo) and they will be there in a flash I guarantee it.

[adzboarder]

Better still tell them you had to shoot one of them.

I also wanted to say that, how ridiculous this is what with all the media-hype about knife crime and youths who are out of control - you would think that the police would have a rapid-response rate for youth crimes wouldn't you?

They say all this shit in the papers that they are gonna do this and do that, but the reality is is that they want this kind of chaos as it fuels the problem-reaction-solution thing to be installed, total police state, curfews, ID cards you name it.

This guy is now adding to that media hype with more calls from the public for "something to be done".

[mynameis]

Maybe he was a fan of Jesus the carpenter and wanted to show these boys how a 2x4 looked close up...all kidding aside these charges are ridiculous for a non-crime.

[rickcard]

Go into Court and say

"I shouted from within my property .... Stand still in the name of the Law .... I am arresting you under Common Law Breach of the Peace"!

Then walk on to the public area with such ever weapon as he deems necessary to preserve the peace.

It is then by definition not an offensive weapon but a weapon caried in pursuance of duty to Her Majesty the Queen to preserve Her Peace.

The force reasonable to make an arrest is that consistent with minimum harm, to achieve the arrest, to the offender.

The force reasonable in self defence is that consistent with minimum harm to the victim.
IE You can defend yourself when attacked with whatever force you deem appropriate to render the assailant hors de combat.

He would have been using force reasonable to secure an arrest and or to restore the Queens Peace at Common Law.

Watch the Courts fail to deliver Common Law Rights justice.

[rickcard]

And for a bit more law on the office of constable.

The office is held conditional that the officer protects the rights, liberties and freedoms of the people.

Including the right to bear arms to protect life and the peace.

If you live in an area where gun crime is prevalent then by Common Law you can carry a gun.

If you live where knife crime is prevalent then you can carry a sabre or cutlass.

This is how back before Napoleon got shirty and caused all sorts of social control fever in this country (leading to state police) we only had one constable to every 14000 citizens. All the citizens were tooled up protecting themselves and the peace.

[stickwhistler]

They wouldn't accept camcorder evidence in court because, and get this, the perpetrators "didn't give permission to be filmed" - I mean just how fucking ridiculous.



Not true!

In 2001, a student filmed a copper punching a man.
The copper was watched by his colleague.
The student was filming from his bedroom window on the
opposite side of the street. The man being punched was
shoved into the police car and taken to the police station.
Several months later, the copper punching the man was jailed.
Up to when the film was shown, nobody believed the man,
only the copper who lied, and so did his colleague about the
violence used by a cop on a member of the public
who did nothing to warrant such treatment.
The police tried to cover this up, but fortunately for
the man assaulted, the film got into the public domain.
The cop was sentenced to 6 months, and sacked via the
police disciplinary system.
This happened in the Manchester police area.
No permission was needed to film.
The Courts accepted the evidence.

The Police use video all the time - without subjects permission,
and use violence to stop their own crimes being filmed by
others. They even lie about it being illegal to video the police.
Just look to Dondaz for threads about this very subject.

There is another case about a motorist stopped by cops.
They made him stand by his car, and beat him with their asps.
He offered no resistance. He had done nothing wrong.
The crimes committed by the police in this instance were
filmed by an woman worried about the noise outside her house.
She switched on her CCTV camera, which recorded vision and
sound. Again the cops lied about their conduct!
Again it took the CCTV video in court for them to
be punished for their crimes.

Film them - discretely for your own safety.
Put the video somewhere safe e.g. a file sharing site and
e.g. YouTube, Google etc where it can be found later.
Use it in Court.

[adzboarder]

Good call stickwhistler, this bodes well for the self policed camera brigade. Good to see that video evidence (from wherever) can be used in cases like these.

Theres a lot of disinfo about what you can and cant film, it wont be long until filming anywhere is banned, yet the government can film everything.

That would be about right wouldn't it?

[tom bombadil]

Good idea stickwhistler.

I supose that it could be turned on its head and used to shame a kid in their home town. By making copies on dvd and just sending it to the police and showing a hard copy on every lamp post, then it might quell things too. Name and shame.

Do it in the dark though!!!

Nah....still bash-em in by paying another hood to come into the area.

No, not realy :p of course, I dont condone such action. Ooh matron! no!

[qasrose]

has this iddiot heard of camcorders

I'm sorry but your calling a 65 year old an idiot? He should not have to put up with stupid little chavs that think there hard by throwing stones at an old persons window to please there past time. And do you expect an old person to carry a camcorder with him 24/7 I'm sorry Scott but your post is just insulting. What if this was your grandfather it was happening too.?? Would you call him an idiot just because he didn't record it??

I get sick of this crap too it happens outside our streets most of the time and it used to happen in the alley way. Pricks would throw glass bottles over the wall and they would land in our garden. We've also had chavs jumping over our walls trying to rob stuff. We reported it many of times and each time we called them up. "Oh we'll send someone round" Guess what nobody turned up for the next 6 hours.

That police officer who made the arrest should be sacked and named and shamed. They should also bring in a new law system for trouble maker youths under 18.

[carlo]

My advice to Sydney would be (to use the words of a policeman who gave advice to someone i know) "if you're going to take the law into your own hands, make sure nobody sees you".

The police are useless, i agree. So we, the citizen, must be more cunning than to run down the street with a plank.

My sympathies go out to Sydney however, for he is yet another victim of the system.

Stupid advice, since it is the criminals themselves that tell the police.

[ryethorpe]

Wiltshire UK Police Don’t Show For 2 1/2 Hours, Then Arrest Man Defending His Home

July 9th, 2008

WILTSHIRE, UK - For more than two years, Sydney Davis’s house has been under siege from youths throwing stones.

After two hours of bombardment in the latest attack and no sign of the police, the 65-year-old retired builder decided enough was enough.

As a particularly large missile landed in his kitchen, he grabbed a plank of wood from the garden and ran towards the gang to scare them away.

The police arrived just in time - to arrest Mr Davis for possession of an offensive weapon.

He now faces up to six months in prison. Yesterday Mr Davis said he was bewildered by the decision to prosecute him.

He claims objects have been thrown at his house on 700 separate occasions.

His windows have been smashed five times in eight months.

‘Something needs to be done to stop these kids. They are out there every night,’ he said.

‘One of my neighbours even had a seven-month-old in their kitchen when a brick came through the window.

‘It showered glass across the baby’s face. When these kids see the police they are off through the alleyways. The police have got no chance of catching them.’

Mr Davis’s 42-year- old wife Pauline dialled 999 when their home came under attack yet again last week, but two and a half hours later officers had failed to arrive.

The couple’s two sons, five and seven, were cowering behind the sofa when their father ran at the gang.

He recalled: ‘My wife called the police at 6 o’clock. But [the youths] just kept on throwing stones.

‘I have two kids and if one of those stones hit them it could have caused some really nasty damage.

‘I left the back door open to stop them smashing it.’

When officers arrived outside his home in Swindon, Wiltshire, Mr Davis was handcuffed and led away to the cells, where he was later charged.

The youths ran off. ‘What in the world is this country coming to that the police arrest people like me for protecting their own property?’ he said yesterday.

‘The police say they want to reduce crime, yet they let evil little toe-rags like this off. Then they prosecute hard-working, upstanding residents like me.

The law is, quite simply, a colossal ass.’

Wiltshire police claim to have increased their patrols after two houses in the region were attacked by arsonists.

Officers’ shift patterns were also changed so they would be in the neighbourhood after dark, while the local council is considering blocking-off some of the alleyways.

Yesterday a spokesman confirmed that no youths were arrested in relation to the incident.

Local councillor Justin Tomlinson said homeowners in the area were ‘living in fear’ of unruly youths.

‘We have sympathy with frustrated local residents - the Government continues to ignore a broken society, and therefore it is little wonder that frustrations boil over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1033266/Yobs-threw-rocks-house-years-But-father-fought-arrested.html
http://www.badcopnews.com/2008/07/09/wiltshire-uk-police-dont-show-for-2-12-hours-then-arrest-man-defending-his-home/




'Unruly youths'? 65-year-old father of a two-year old? 700 incidents? Daily Mail? 'Living in fear'? Where did all this happen? Is there more to this story? Were the youths perhaps, dare I say it, white? Who owns the Daily Mail and what is their agenda?

Rhetorical questions. For light relief, may I recommend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=old6xeBVIfw

[adzboarder]

Stupid advice, since it is the criminals themselves that tell the police.

..or it's the police themselves that are the criminals? :D