Drug Dealers Have Something of Value!

[ironwand]

On 12 July 2008, The Sunday Express quoted the Reverend Les Isaacs, speaking at the Bite the Bullet conference in Brixton, thus:

Young (black) people are angry… They feel a tremendous sense of hopelessness. What (black) people are looking for is to know that they are valued and that they are loved. If we could go out and say to young (black) people, 'you are worth something, we love you, we want to help', young (black) people will look at their lifestyle and begin to rethink what they are doing…

(Black) drug dealers are using their entrepreneurial skills. Some of them are controlling three mobile phones at once. IF WE CAN HELP THEM TO RECOGNISE THEY HAVE SOMETHING OF VALUE and if we can help them to develop that skill, it will be one of the greatest things we can do for this (black) generation.

The Express added:

The Rev Les Isaacs of the Ascension Trust said young (black) people involved in crime often felt they were the ‘victims of their own circumstances’. He said the problem of knife crime could take 15 years to turn around…

His comments come after a spate of (black) stabbings in the capital, which saw the number of teenagers to die violently in London this year rise to 20…

The conference on gun and knife crime also involves the Metropolitan Police, former (black) gangsters, churches and agencies.

What people are looking for is to know that they are valued and that they are loved.

Hey Revered Les, you are SO right!

How about this for an idea? Get all the ABSENT black dads, you know, the ones with 16 kids by 10 different women, to be PRESENT black dads! Insist that the black dad fathers just one set of children by just one woman and get that black dad to provide, not just the LOVE and the VALUE his children need, but the FINANCE and the RESPONSIBLE EXAMPLE as well!

Young people are angry... They feel a tremendous sense of hopelessness... Drug dealers are using their entrepreneurial skills... Help them to recognise they have something of value!

In that case, we victims better start feeling feel really sorry for the hopeless criminals, hadn't we, Reverend Isaacs?

Oh yes, we better start kissing that black, criminal behind and showing those angry young BLACK people and those BLACK drug-dealing entrepreneurs how much we love them or, well, I guess they'll just carry right on killing us and raping us and drugging us up, won't they?

That is what you're saying, isn't it?

Thing is, I think they're going to carry on doing what they do best no matter how many times we kiss their angry behinds lovingly.

I suppose, if they get to be church leaders and attend Baptist conferences where they can hobnob with the Top Cops and patronise the rest of us with their insider, “former gangster” insights, a villain or two might be deflected from his criminal ways. Personally, though, Les, I have a plan in mind that, I’m sure will prove much more effective than “love” and “value” and all that do-gooder “help” for the most brutish and violent members of our society.

It’s a plan that will also be a lot less expensive than any of your “all we need is love” 15-year vision thing.

I am 110% certain that the odd cauldron full of boiling water would sort out the hopeless and the angry a tad more effectively than your hug-a-hoodie, lovey-dovey stuff, Reverend.

Obviously the boiled wouldn't be able to get p***ed off with us any more for not showing them all that love and value stuff, and those who would have been boiled, if they hadn't been frightened into not killing and raping and drug dealing, well, they'll be pretending to be as nice as pie their whole life long!

So the rest of us won't have to worry overmuch about loving the most unloveable members of our society any more!

Yep, I'm afraid the angry and the hopeless are going to have to find other ways to vent their displeasure. You know, like boxing, wrestling, climbing trees, pillow fighting and playing conkers as we used to do before those so in need of our love (as opposed to that of their absent dad) piled into our country.

According to The Sunday Express, the gentleman showing us the way here is “himself a former gang member and street fighter”.

This is the godly soul:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38934000/jpg/_38934645_les203coat.jpg

I wonder why the former gang member, Les Isaacs, thinks we ought to love those who love us the least?

Or else.

[krakhead]

Young (black) people are angry… They feel a tremendous sense of hopelessness. What (black) people are looking for is to know that they are valued and that they are loved. If we could go out and say to young (black) people, 'you are worth something, we love you, we want to help', young (black) people will look at their lifestyle and begin to rethink what they are doing…

(Black) drug dealers are using their entrepreneurial skills. Some of them are controlling three mobile phones at once. IF WE CAN HELP THEM TO RECOGNISE THEY HAVE SOMETHING OF VALUE and if we can help them to develop that skill, it will be one of the greatest things we can do for this (black) generation.

I have to agree there. I'm not saying drug dealers or users (black, white, any colour) should be applauded for what they do, but I do feel that they can applauded for THE WAY they do it.

Just begin to imagine what the day-to-day life of a dealer consists of, the way that theirs lives are run, if the same skills were put towards something more socially acceptable the results could be astounding.

The same with drug users, even those considered most 'chaotic' manage their drug use with incredible accuracy. These people that society generally regard as 'useless' have some amazing organisational skills that, in a perfect world, could be put to much better use.

*closing knapsack now the feline has been delivered to the fantail coup* ;)

[rixxmixxhell]

I have to agree there. I'm not saying drug dealers or users (black, white, any colour) should be applauded for what they do, but I do feel that they can applauded for THE WAY they do it.

Just begin to imagine what the day-to-day life of a dealer consists of, the way that theirs lives are run, if the same skills were put towards something more socially acceptable the results could be astounding.

The same with drug users, even those considered most 'chaotic' manage their drug use with incredible accuracy. These people that society generally regard as 'useless' have some amazing organisational skills that, in a perfect world, could be put to much better use.

*closing knapsack now the feline has been delivered to the fantail coup* ;)

Good post Mr Krakhead (made me laugh a little considering your name :p)

It's true what you say. Trust me i know.
Rick

[krakhead]

Drug dealers should be shot,

Bit harsh, but I understand your perception

it's their drugs that wreck other people's lives.

Although people are free to decide whether or not they take the drugs in the first place.

These drug dealers are usually quite violent too.

Not so much with your typical dealer-on-the-street type of dealer, but I'd agree that the further up the chain you go, the more likely they are to use violence to control their 'service'

Is it hug-a-smackhead day? :-/

And why not? They're people too!

Good post Mr Krakhead (made me laugh a little considering your name :p)

It's true what you say. Trust me i know.
Rick

Thank you! And I wasn't just postulating, I know.

[lightgiver]

Drug dealers should be shot, it's their drugs that wreck other people's lives. These drug dealers are usually quite violent too.

Is it hug-a-smackhead day? :-/

What about alcohol,does that come under the label of drugs,alcohol probably is the most damaging drug in society,why do you think it is legal;)

[lightworks]

lets cut the bourgoise know it all crap shall we.....
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ssci.shtml

[kingmonkey]

On 12 July 2008, The Sunday Express quoted the Reverend Les Isaacs, speaking at the Bite the Bullet conference in Brixton, thus:



The Express added:





Hey Revered Les, you are SO right!

How about this for an idea? Get all the ABSENT black dads, you know, the ones with 16 kids by 10 different women, to be PRESENT black dads! Insist that the black dad fathers just one set of children by just one woman and get that black dad to provide, not just the LOVE and the VALUE his children need, but the FINANCE and the RESPONSIBLE EXAMPLE as well!



In that case, we victims better start feeling feel really sorry for the hopeless criminals, hadn't we, Reverend Isaacs?

Oh yes, we better start kissing that black, criminal behind and showing those angry young BLACK people and those BLACK drug-dealing entrepreneurs how much we love them or, well, I guess they'll just carry right on killing us and raping us and drugging us up, won't they?

That is what you're saying, isn't it?

Thing is, I think they're going to carry on doing what they do best no matter how many times we kiss their angry behinds lovingly.

I suppose, if they get to be church leaders and attend Baptist conferences where they can hobnob with the Top Cops and patronise the rest of us with their insider, “former gangster” insights, a villain or two might be deflected from his criminal ways. Personally, though, Les, I have a plan in mind that, I’m sure will prove much more effective than “love” and “value” and all that do-gooder “help” for the most brutish and violent members of our society.

It’s a plan that will also be a lot less expensive than any of your “all we need is love” 15-year vision thing.

I am 110% certain that the odd cauldron full of boiling water would sort out the hopeless and the angry a tad more effectively than your hug-a-hoodie, lovey-dovey stuff, Reverend.

Obviously the boiled wouldn't be able to get p***ed off with us any more for not showing them all that love and value stuff, and those who would have been boiled, if they hadn't been frightened into not killing and raping and drug dealing, well, they'll be pretending to be as nice as pie their whole life long!

So the rest of us won't have to worry overmuch about loving the most unloveable members of our society any more!

Yep, I'm afraid the angry and the hopeless are going to have to find other ways to vent their displeasure. You know, like boxing, wrestling, climbing trees, pillow fighting and playing conkers as we used to do before those so in need of our love (as opposed to that of their absent dad) piled into our country.

According to The Sunday Express, the gentleman showing us the way here is “himself a former gang member and street fighter”.

This is the godly soul:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38934000/jpg/_38934645_les203coat.jpg

I wonder why the former gang member, Les Isaacs, thinks we ought to love those who love us the least?

Or else.

More right wing crap.

Oh, wouldn't life be brilliant if we could just boil em all? That'd sort society out...

I don't think you'll find many BNP recruits round here.

[darketernal]

Why do you think we have a drug problem in the US? If our government did not WANT drugs being used exactally as they are, don't you think something would done about it? Who do you think the #1 drug cartel is in the US?

[empyblessing]

Drug dealers should be shot, it's their drugs that wreck other people's lives. These drug dealers are usually quite violent too.

Is it hug-a-smackhead day? :-/


You should be shot.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

You should be shot.

I seem to have hit a raw nerve there (pun intentional). Keep taking the 'tablets' son...

[dmt head]

Drug dealers should be shot, it's their drugs that wreck other people's lives. These drug dealers are usually quite violent too.

Is it hug-a-smackhead day? :-/

As someone said who do you think lets the drugs on the streets? Who is the bigest cartel? The governments no doubt. You seem very aggresive maybe you could do with some drugs to relax, and ban everything yeah that makes sense! It has worked in the past :rolleyes:

[seeker1111]

Drug dealers should be shot, it's their drugs that wreck other people's lives. These drug dealers are usually quite violent too.

Is it hug-a-smackhead day? :-/

...yes, we should just go around killing people who do things we don't agree with or understand. *two thumbs way up* :(

how is this any different than the very things you're trying to fight? Telling people what they can and cannot do (or shooting them)...you can do that all day till you're blue in the face but it's not really going to help the situation.

That sounds like a big brother society to me..."here we've got a drug dealer here!" "great shoot him!" "oh there's a guy over here having a beer" "cool, let's kill him"

:confused:

[w1nstonsm1th84]

As someone said who do you think lets the drugs on the streets? Who is the bigest cartel? The governments no doubt. You seem very aggresive maybe you could do with some drugs to relax, and ban everything yeah that makes sense! It has worked in the past


I love the piffle that the bourgeois spew out..

Next...

[w1nstonsm1th84]

...yes, we should just go around killing people who do things we don't agree with or understand. *two thumbs way up*

how is this any different than the very things you're trying to fight? Telling people what they can and cannot do (or shooting them)...you can do that all day till you're blue in the face but it's not really going to help the situation.

That sounds like a big brother society to me..."here we've got a drug dealer here!" "great shoot him!" "oh there's a guy over here having a beer" " , let's kill him"

I used a figure of speech- I didn't advocate killing drug-dealing scum. You're getting a little carried away, and the tone of your response says it all...

[seeker1111]

You're as bad as the 'elite', I used a figure of speech- I didn't advocate killing drug-dealing scum. You're getting a little carried away, and the tone of your response says it all...

Please, enlighten me...what exactly is the tone of my response?

I apologize if i mistook your "drug dealers should be shot" as a figure of speech, I'm not exactly familiar with that one.

Haha...as bad as the 'elite' eh? That's a hefty accusation based on...nothing.

[seeker1111]

As bad as the 'elite', as in twisting people's words.

It seems that there are people here who don't care about the consequences of the drug dealers' actions. Why stick up for the scum who drive around in BMW's- with bass-heavy 'music' blaring out of the sun roof/open windows? The same scum who profit from the misfortune of others.

It seems that some people here cannot see past their own advocacy of drug use...


Hmm...not quite sure how I twisted your words..."drug dealers should be shot" not much to twist there...

Misinterpretation perhaps, (due to your figure of speech reference) but definitely not twisting.

Funny, I don't remember saying anything about not caring about the consequences of drug dealers actions...perhaps I typed in invisible text... Must be it...

I agree, there are consequences...consequences to everything.

Those scum you speak of, are human beings, perhaps they didn't make the same 'high' choices as you have in your life but they are still human and your fellow man. Besides, how on earth do you know what prompted them to make the choices they did? You could have been in their shoes had you grown up like they did. Some drug dealers arn't exactly 'profiting' from the misfortunes of others but are trying to make ends meet their own way. Just saying, you can't lump them all together.

And no, I am not a drug dealer, I just think that we should look at both sides of the coin to better understand.

It also seems that some people are readily willing to condemn without attempting to look at the whole picture.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

Those drug dealers would probably laugh in your face for being such a sucker. Sorry, I'm just being honest...

[frankanne]

hmmm. tricky one this. a lot of what people 'think' is what we have been programmed to believe. so, there's a lot of 'programmed reactions' going on on this thread.

first we have the programmed idea of 'kiss and love everyone better'.

then we have the programmed idea of 'kill off anything that's 'not nice''. Sorry for oversimplification, and maybe twisting of meanings, but those are the extremes.

i suppose on the biggest scale, then the love everyone better is the answer.

however........... (always makes me laugh when people say that. however....)
looking at it from the point of view of the elite and those who have been corrupted into doing the bidding of the new world order, for instance, the corrupt european politicians who are signing all those documents, selling us down the river to the new world order, KNOWINGLY, just because they will be rewarded handsomely for their treachery,- Ted Heath, for instance - then we can get an idea of what drives the drug dealers - not so much the users who sell, but the big, rich, arrogant criminal drug dealers.

Now, when we realise that Ted Heath knowingly lied about the 'common market', just to get us into the corrupt new world order vehicle that is the EU, well, should we kiss him better, should we shower him with our love -that's if he was alive to be showered with love? I tend to think no. I think the man was evil through and through and that if we had gone to him, Ted darling, you are only doing bad things because you need more love, then he'd probably have laughed all the while he was raping young children.

So, yes, we do need to give love to those who have been snared somehow against their inner most better judgement, but we have to realise that there really are evil people out there - I know some will disagree and say that nothing and no-one is evil, but I think that some people just are evil.

Be discerning. that's my motto. and try not to react in a programmed way that the nwo have been programming us with since we first learned to talk.

[seeker1111]

Those drug dealers would probably laugh in your face for being such a sucker. Sorry, I'm just being honest...

There you go, lumping them all together again.

[seeker1111]

hmmm. tricky one this. a lot of what people 'think' is what we have been programmed to believe. so, there's a lot of 'programmed reactions' going on on this thread.

first we have the programmed idea of 'kiss and love everyone better'.

then we have the programmed idea of 'kill off anything that's 'not nice''. Sorry for oversimplification, and maybe twisting of meanings, but those are the extremes.

i suppose on the biggest scale, then the love everyone better is the answer.

however........... (always makes me laugh when people say that. however....)
looking at it from the point of view of the elite and those who have been corrupted into doing the bidding of the new world order, for instance, the corrupt european politicians who are signing all those documents, selling us down the river to the new world order, KNOWINGLY, just because they will be rewarded handsomely for their treachery,- Ted Heath, for instance - then we can get an idea of what drives the drug dealers - not so much the users who sell, but the big, rich, arrogant criminal drug dealers.

Now, when we realise that Ted Heath knowingly lied about the 'common market', just to get us into the corrupt new world order vehicle that is the EU, well, should we kiss him better, should we shower him with our love -that's if he was alive to be showered with love? I tend to think no. I think the man was evil through and through and that if we had gone to him, Ted darling, you are only doing bad things because you need more love, then he'd probably have laughed all the while he was raping young children.

So, yes, we do need to give love to those who have been snared somehow against their inner most better judgement, but we have to realise that there really are evil people out there - I know some will disagree and say that nothing and no-one is evil, but I think that some people just are evil.

Be discerning. that's my motto. and try not to react in a programmed way that the nwo have been programming us with since we first learned to talk.

I was not saying kiss them and send them off and ignore what they are doing. I was simply saying that one must try to understand their situation BEFORE placing judgement. That's all. It just seems that we are quick to judge based on OUR life experiences and perspectives forgetting that THEY have an entirely different set of life experiences to draw from.

[frankanne]

I was not saying kiss them and send them off and ignore what they are doing. I was simply saying that one must try to understand their situation BEFORE placing judgement. That's all. It just seems that we are quick to judge based on OUR life experiences and perspectives forgetting that THEY have an entirely different set of life experiences to draw from.

As did Ted Heath and Tony Blair.

[seeker1111]

As did Ted Heath and Tony Blair.


Right. So we'll just condemn them all then, just in case.

[frankanne]

Right. So we'll just condemn them all then, just in case.


not what I said. discerning is what we need to be.

[seeker1111]

not what I said. discerning is what we need to be.


Right. Which is also what I was suggesting when I was saying we can't lump them all together without trying to understand first...which is another form of being discerning.

discerning
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Function: adjective
Date: 1589
: showing insight and understanding : discriminating <a discerning critic>
— dis·cern·ing·ly \-ˈsər-niŋ-lē, -ˈzər-\ adverb

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Definition for understanding:
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[ironwand]

More right wing crap.

Oh, wouldn't life be brilliant if we could just boil em all?

Looks like we agree on one thing, monkey.

I'm a bit in the dark as to how to go about it, of course. My ancestors never got round to practicing such things.

How about your ancestors, monkey?

You got any missionary-in-the-pot pictures in your wallet?



I don't think you'll find many BNP recruits round here.

Just hoping to bump into one or two non-brainwashed folk, monkey.

Apparently, about 30% of the world aren't as susceptible to governmental propaganda as the rest of the dumbed-down, drugged-up herd.

Which statistic could make a Red like you really, really sad, I guess.

You know, 30% of the world still being able to think for themselves? Marx and Trotsky would not have approved!

Still, life's a bitch sometimes.

See you around, monkey.

[kingmonkey]

Haha, I'm neither a red nor brainwashed, and not being brainwashed doesn't equate to being a fascist. I'm perfectly capable of thinking for myself, I just don't agree with you.
No, sorry, no missionary-in-the-pot pics. I prefer waiting for a johovas witness to knock on the door and do a nice boil-in-the-bag.


30% eh? That's pretty high, I thought it'd be more like 3.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

There you go, lumping them all together again.

Do you know of any personally? Serious question...

[Ian2day]

Most drug dealers are supplied by tptb in some way or other. However drug dealers are socially constructed. They are a symptom and not the cause of the oppression and exploitation we all experience as a consequence of the Eurocentric attitude of the elite. So yes even drug dealers have value. The dealers round my way are all white. They are supplied by the police or some other such body round here I expect.

Near to where I use to live there was an amphetimine house. It would always be cooking its shit at 8am in the morning. The sewers use to really stink for a couple of hours. They were all white blokes. I use to know black and white blokes that dealt drugs when I lived in a more multicultural area. Now if drugs were not illiegal for adult consumption. I suspect that a lot of crime would just disapeer.

This would leave the elite with a dilema. With no conflict in society caused by the high price of drugs leading to direct adn indirect crime. No opportunity would exist to be exploited. For they believe that conflict creates opportunity. This is the very crux of tptb system. Create conflict and entrepeneurs will exploit the markets which are created. They need us at war to get rich. Without war at any level. Be it micro, mezzo or on a macro level. They are left 'just' collecting tax.

[kingmonkey]

White drug dealers? Who'd have thought?! Don't tell Ironwand; That'll ruin his idea of a perfect England once we've boiled all the big, bad, black men. :rolleyes:

[ironwand]

White drug dealers? Who'd have thought?! Don't tell Ironwand; That'll ruin his idea of a perfect England once we've boiled all the big, bad, black men. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't boil ALL the drug dealers.

Just the drug barons.

You know, those who brought it in, those who'd made millions out of it, those who had addicted many others and those who had killed over territory.

Black + Asian + WHITE.

Nice try, monkey.

Put me in charge, folks, and watch the bad guys stand to attention and wag their tails.

And push off to pastures new as fast as their heavy wallets will let them.

[truthful]

What a load of racist crap you come out with. I doubt if you even know any black people.

[truthful]

Most drug dealers are supplied by tptb in some way or other. However drug dealers are socially constructed. They are a symptom and not the cause of the oppression and exploitation we all experience as a consequence of the Eurocentric attitude of the elite. So yes even drug dealers have value. The dealers round my way are all white. They are supplied by the police or some other such body round here I expect.

Near to where I use to live there was an amphetimine house. It would always be cooking its shit at 8am in the morning. The sewers use to really stink for a couple of hours. They were all white blokes. I use to know black and white blokes that dealt drugs when I lived in a more multicultural area. Now if drugs were not illiegal for adult consumption. I suspect that a lot of crime would just disapeer.

This would leave the elite with a dilema. With no conflict in society caused by the high price of drugs leading to direct adn indirect crime. No opportunity would exist to be exploited. For they believe that conflict creates opportunity. This is the very crux of tptb system. Create conflict and entrepeneurs will exploit the markets which are created. They need us at war to get rich. Without war at any level. Be it micro, mezzo or on a macro level. They are left 'just' collecting tax.



Yes and all of the drug dealers where I live are white. Drugs are rife all over this country and as everyone knows you get white dealers in white areas and black dealers in black areas etc although its true to say Yardies do go further afield to deal crack. Most of the dealers i've known over the years have been white.

[drhemp]

As far as I'm concerned the chappie in town who I get pot from offers a valuable service to the community. I don't care so much for the chavs who sell coke, but as I'm aware the CIA control the cocaine industry, I won't be too judgmental on them. As for brown, this is a horrid substance that is much more available since the invasion of Afghanistan, now ask yourselves why that is?

If you have a problem with buying from dealers, then I should suggest there's a simple solution. Grow yer own!