ANGELS - What are they?

[tinmenace]

http://spiritual-nature.com/images/angel.jpg

ANGELS - What are they?

[montag]

The wings are a misnomer, the ancients presumed that heaven was up so they gave the angels wings, similar to the story of Jacobs ladder. If you go up all you do is suffer altitude sickness, heaven is not up, physically anyway, vibrationally yes.

Also angels I believe aren't otherworldly, well mostly anyway, they are human like us and are our teachers and guides, people that are able to touch our heart and assist in our evolution.

Thats my take on it anyway..:)

[tinmenace]

Thank you :)

[quetzalcoatl]

I think they're our Pleiadian Brothers/Sisters.

The wings symbolize scenarios of beings - that resemble us - defying the laws of gravity, when it was only birds (hence the wings) that could do this. Just as the chariots of fire in the Bible - simply describes a mechanical vehicle brightly colored moving through the sky/heavens.

But I'm sure you knew this?

[montag]

Thank you :)




:)

[tinmenace]

I think they're our Pleiadian Brothers/Sisters.

The wings symbolize scenarios of beings - that resemble us - defying the laws of gravity, when it was only birds (hence the wings) that could do this. Just as the chariots of fire in the Bible - simply describes a mechanical vehicle brightly colored moving through the sky/heavens.

But I'm sure you knew this?

Thanks for your input

[quetzalcoatl]

Thanks for your input




My pleasure. :)

[montag]

This is a photo of Australian mystic Justis Barrymore, his body is beginning to dematerialize, his arms have disappeared and he appears to have wings, so make of that what you will..:)

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/65/672303676c703768chc9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[quetzalcoatl]

Wow! :eek: interesting Montag.

Who needs arms wen ya got wings. ;)

[phildee3]

The wings are a misnomer, the ancients presumed that heaven was up so they gave the angels wings, similar to the story of Jacobs ladder. If you go up all you do is suffer altitude sickness, heaven is not up, physically anyway, vibrationally yes.


I totally agree that "up" (in the sense that spirits reside in a "higher" place) refers to a higher vibrational frequency.

However, when they visit this realm they generally manifest through plasma which exists in the air.

They also incarnate and/or occupy physical bodies, of course.

[planetsadhana]

wow thats some photo montag:eek:, do you have any background info on what was going on when the photo was taken?

[montag]

wow thats some photo montag:eek:, do you have any background info on what was going on when the photo was taken?
http://www.justisbarrymore.com/article_015.htm#stuartwilde

[nessa felagund]

That is an incredible photo and article montag :)

I know angels have touched my life on numerous occasions. Sometimes they just take human form so we don't notice--:D

You were one of my angels tinmenace. I was feeling very down at the beginning of June and I logged in to the forum and saw the thread "Are USA citizens the dumbest of the world?" And then I read some of the replies--wow, that really was disheartening.

But then you came on the thread and said this:

Prolly. But the majority are good people, with good hearts. I'm an immigrant to the USA, and at no time ever have I been made to feel like an outsider or unwelcome. Americans took me under their wings and nurtured me along. Yes, their perceptions are manipulated, they consume copious amounts of chemicals, but underneath it all they have heart, and they are all characters in their own rights, and I really like them.


Your's and izzy's comments that day lifted my spirits and made me feel so much better.

So I say you are an angel tinmenace.

cheers :)

[drael]

Ummm, judeo-christian mythological creatures that have bird like wings and live with yahweh in a dimension known as heaven. They all have different jobs apparently...

My opinion? no idea. They are clearly based on some higher self or higher being type communication, ie relayed from "god" or whatever, much like the plaedians, sirians, cassiopeans etc of today.

Could be they are something the disciplines etc all hallicinated while eating ergot bread (which is similar to lsd, but was common poisioning in bread in those days - communion anyone?) :)

I relate to aliens more. Faeries are also a cool concept. On angels, i like the wings, but reckon they look better on a white horse (pegysus).

[tinmenace]

That is an incredible photo and article montag :)

I know angels have touched my life on numerous occasions. Sometimes they just take human form so we don't notice--:D

You were one of my angels tinmenace. I was feeling very down at the beginning of June and I logged in to the forum and saw the thread "Are USA citizens the dumbest of the world?" And then I read some of the replies--wow, that really was disheartening.

But then you came on the thread and said this:



Your's and izzy's comments that day lifted my spirits and made me feel so much better.

So I say you are an angel tinmenace.

cheers :)


Thank you, you're very sweet :)

[tinmenace]

I'd like to hear from some of our religious friends. Perhaps those that believe in their bible's version of events. I'd like to know what they think Angels are.

[phildee3]

I'd like to hear from some of our religious friends. Perhaps those that believe in their bible's version of events. I'd like to know what they think Angels are.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelic_hierarchy

The higher up in the hierarchy, the higher their vibrational frequency,
which is why we sometimes catch a glimpse of those at the bottom of the list. Their vibration is only slighly higher than ours.
(see Paul's letter to the Hebrews, 2:7).

[tinmenace]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelic_hierarchy

The higher up in the hierarchy, the higher their vibrational frequency,
which is why we sometimes catch a glimpse of those at the bottom of the list. Their vibration is only slighly higher than ours.
(see Paul's letter to the Hebrews, 2:7).

So, you believe they are beings in a different vibrational frequency?

[talkingchimp]

id imagine they are pelicans seen in poor light and from a strange angle.

[tinmenace]

id imagine they are pelicans seen in poor light and from a strange angle.

Pelicans are Angels, y'know? My favorite bird in all the world...funny you said that. :D


http://spiritual-nature.com/images/pelicanfly.jpg

[talkingchimp]

Pelicans are Angels, y'know? My favorite bird in all the world...funny you said that. :D


http://spiritual-nature.com/images/pelicanfly.jpg


http://www.birdholidays.fsnet.co.uk/images/tenerife-blue-tit.jpg


i like tits!

[tinmenace]

I bet you do!

http://vb.spiritual-nature.com/images/smilies/thBoobs.gif

[2013]

One of the translations of Angels means Messengers , so therefore anyone who conveys a message to you is an angle , we get info from lots of different sources .
http://www.entertainingangels.org/Entertaining_Angels_Story.htm
Also england is known as the angel isle relating to Anglo Saxon perhaps ?
The angels knew all things relating to the movements of the planets and stars in the heavens perhaps the ancient image of an angel in white robe with a cord about the waist relates to the people who where the surveyors and architects of places like Stonehenge and newgrange , carrying staffs and using the cord as a measure they figured the angles of the constructions and the planetary alignments .Angles angels ?I think it is a mix of a lot of different info .Some believe their are angles for every purpose , if you switch on a radio and here a song that has relevance to you it s a music angel , sometimes information finds its way to you when you most need it . messengers you see. :D

[phildee3]

So, you believe they are beings in a different vibrational frequency?




Yes. Didn't I say that? :confused:

[tinmenace]

Yes. Didn't I say that? :confused:

Not in those words, but thanks for clarifying :)

[tinmenace]

..messengers you see. :D

Yes, I see. Thank you :)

[seven_star_hand]

If you want the truth, keep reading here,

For example, the seven angels-stars of the Book of Revelation symbolize seven specific 360-year cycles on the Hebrew calendar. The 11th cycle through the 17th. The 11th cycle was the second temple period and the 17th cycle began in 2001/5761.

Angels symbolize sources of wisdom and stars are "points of enlightenment." That is why Revelation and other texts use them interchangeably.

The following is excerpted from Vatican Lies Illuminated - A Prologue !!, and is found at the second link below.

One such pivotal symbol is the star, as discussed in Part I and throughout my book. Those interested in eschatology are fully aware of the pivotal importance of star symbolism. Likewise in Genesis, the eleven stars bowing to Joseph, who is the eleventh son of Jacob (11:11), have the same decoded meaning as the stars of the Apocalypse and within these images. They and the associated angels symbolize 360-year cycles on the Hebrew calendar. Thereby, the seven stars of my web-moniker (Seven Star Hand) and symbolized in my right hand in the Apocalypse, symbolize the 11th through 17th cycles. The 17th cycle began in 2001. This is the timeline symbolized within the Apocalypse across which my symbolized deeds span. This pivotal wisdom is also now instrumental to my efforts to prove the truth (hence, in my right hand...). The long-obscured truth about star symbolism exposes a great many religious lies and errors about angels, stars, the zodiac, various timelines, and much else. Accordingly, several of these images contain symbolic numbers and groupings of stars that likewise encode revelations profoundly damaging to pivotal assertions and expectations of all three so-called Faiths of Abraham.


Read the following article for pivotal highlights,
Fatal Flaws in Judeo-Christian-Islamic Prophecy (hhttp://sevenstarhand.blogspot.com/2006/08/fatal-flaws-in-judeo-christian-islamic.html)

Read all the articles here for much more detail and download my Ebook to become a sage in this subject matter...
Vatican Lies Illuminated (http://vatican-evil-illuminated.blogspot.com/)

Peace...

[phildee3]

Not in those words, but thanks for clarifying :)




The only word you used that I didn't was "believe," -
a word which I avoid because so many people think it means mere belief.
I prefer "I understand it to be..." or "I have personally experienced it as..."

My view on beings in other dimensions (ie the angelic hierarchy) is consistant with the visions of the sages of all religions, way back through the ages.

It is based on interfaith studies in angelology, visionary and out-of-body experiences, clairvoyance, meditation, etc. etc. and, as such can be seen as gnosis (a form of knowledge) rather than "belief."

[phildee3]

One of the translations of Angels means Messengers ,

Not quite.
It is one of the functions of angels -
the group which comes under the authority of the archangel Gabriel.

Another group, under the authority of Raphael, are responsible for all acts of healing.

Another group are purely guardians.

etc, etc.

[tinmenace]

The only word you used that I didn't was "believe," -
a word which I avoid because so many people think it means mere belief.
I prefer "I understand it to be..." or "I have personally experienced it as..."

My view on beings in other dimensions (ie the angelic hierarchy) is consistant with the visions of the sages of all religions, way back through the ages.

It is based on interfaith studies in angelology, visionary and out-of-body experiences, clairvoyance, meditation, etc. etc. and, as such can be seen as gnosis (a form of knowledge) rather than "belief."

Oh, ok.

Thanks

[2013]

The only word you used that I didn't was "believe," -
a word which I avoid because so many people think it means mere belief.
I prefer "I understand it to be..." or "I have personally experienced it as..."

My view on beings in other dimensions (ie the angelic hierarchy) is consistant with the visions of the sages of all religions, way back through the ages.

It is based on interfaith studies in angelology, visionary and out-of-body experiences, clairvoyance, meditation, etc. etc. and, as such can be seen as gnosis (a form of knowledge) rather than "belief."

Well said i have long tried to avoid having beliefs ratrher ideas or thoughts and as you say experieces that help me understand , knowing is the key .

Originally Posted by 2013
One of the translations of Angels means Messengers ,

Not quite.
It is one of the functions of angels -
the group which comes under the authority of the archangel Gabriel.

Another group, under the authority of Raphael, are responsible for all acts of healing.

Another group are purely guardians.

etc, etc.
This is why i included various related associations of angels such as music messengers etc . How many angels can fit on the head of a pin ? :D

[marpat]

I would say they are spiritual forces that are responsible for performing specific roles within the created universe. I would say that they are just another label for those forces termed as gods, the difference being that gods belong to pantheistic religions whereas angels are part of montheistic religions. Same forces, different points of view.

[marpat]

Ummm, judeo-christian mythological creatures that have bird like wings and live with yahweh in a dimension known as heaven. They all have different jobs apparently...

My opinion? no idea. They are clearly based on some higher self or higher being type communication, ie relayed from "god" or whatever, much like the plaedians, sirians, cassiopeans etc of today.

Could be they are something the disciplines etc all hallicinated while eating ergot bread (which is similar to lsd, but was common poisioning in bread in those days - communion anyone?) :)

I relate to aliens more. Faeries are also a cool concept. On angels, i like the wings, but reckon they look better on a white horse (pegysus).


Is heaven a dimension though? In the bible does not Jesus himself say that the kingdom of heaven is within, indicating it is a state of mind?

[2013]

Is heaven a dimension though? In the bible does not Jesus himself say that the kingdom of heaven is within, indicating it is a state of mind?

Or inner earth? :eek:

[tinmenace]

Or inner earth? :eek:

Yes, this is an interchangeable concept, it seems. There was mention of it on another forum where the hollow earth is being discussed.

Interesting.


PS...also that Jesus/Horus/et al are all "stargates".

It's interesting

[montag]

Pelicans are Angels, y'know? My favorite bird in all the world...funny you said that. :D


http://spiritual-nature.com/images/pelicanfly.jpg




I like Pelicans too, they have strange eating habits though..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNNl_uWmQXE

[phildee3]

Is heaven a dimension though?

There are ten, I think, according to Enoch.
I suppose you could call them the ten highest.

The Kingdom is all of them, I think, since the King of kings rules over them all.

[tinmenace]

I like Pelicans too, they have strange eating habits though..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNNl_uWmQXE

Yikes! :eek:

The ones we have here, the brown pelicans, are amazing to watch. They fly so well, and they play "follow the leader". They fly so close to the swells of the waves, and when the one in front begins to flap, they all follow suite in sync.

Now, when they are on land walking around, they look like big clutzes, but in flight they are magnificent.

My husband and I stayed at the beach for a couple days, a few weeks ago, and I took a few photos. This one is not the greatest, but those are my darlings playing "follow the leader" before sunrise.

http://spiritual-nature.com/images/sunrise6.jpg



This one is after the sun showed her lovely self...

http://spiritual-nature.com/images/sunrise4.jpg

No pelicans though....:D

[montag]

Wonderful photos tin, it looks like you live in a very beautiful part of the world, lucky you..:)

[phildee3]

Orbs are angels.

[tinmenace]

Wonderful photos tin, it looks like you live in a very beautiful part of the world, lucky you..:)

Thank you. We love it.



:)

[anonymous01201]

Source: http://www.angelgift.com/newsite/shop/custom.aspx?recid=10

Hope this helps a little.

The Nine Orders of Angels:
SERAPHIM The highest order, the six-winged ones, surround the throne of God, singing ceaselessly, Holy, Holy, Holy. They are angels of love, light, and fire.

CHERUBIM The guardians of the fixed stars, keepers of celestial records, bestowers of knowledge. In the Talmud cherubim are equated with the order of wheels, also called ophanim. Chief rulers are Ophaniel, Rikbiel, Zophiel, and, before his fall, Satan.

THRONES Bring God's justice to us. They are sometimes called wheels and in the Jewish Kabbalah, CHARIOTS or the MERKABAH. The occult book, the Zohar, ranks wheels above seraphim, but other sources place them as cherubim, the whole thing being confused. The ruling prince is Oriphiel or Zabkiel or Zaphiel.

DOMINIONS or DOMINATIONS Regulate angelic duties. Through them is manifested the Majesty of God. They hold an orb or sceptre as an emblem of authority, and in Hebraic lore, the chief of this order is named Hashmal or Zadkiel.

VIRTUES Work miracles on earth. They are bestowers of grace and valor.

POWERS Stop the efforts of demons to overthrow the world, or ellse they preside over demons, or perhaps (according to St. Paul) they are themselves evil. Ertosi, Sammael, or Camael (depending on source) is chief of the Powers.

PRINCIPALITIES Protectors of religion. Nisroc, in Milton, is "of principalities the prime," and others, according to various sources, are named Requel, Anael, and Cerviel.

ARCHANGELS and ANGELS Guardians of people and all physical things.

The above information was obtained from Sophy Burnham's A Book of Angels.

[anonymous01201]

I love this picture.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=348

[tinmenace]

Thanks for your input :)

[empyblessing]

Made up

[phildee3]

Source: http://www.angelgift.com/newsite/shop/custom.aspx?recid=10

Hope this helps a little.

The Nine Orders of Angels:
SERAPHIM The highest order, the six-winged ones, surround the throne of God, singing ceaselessly, Holy, Holy, Holy. They are angels of love, light, and fire.

CHERUBIM The guardians of the fixed stars, keepers of celestial records, bestowers of knowledge. In the Talmud cherubim are equated with the order of wheels, also called ophanim. Chief rulers are Ophaniel, Rikbiel, Zophiel, and, before his fall, Satan.

THRONES Bring God's justice to us. They are sometimes called wheels and in the Jewish Kabbalah, CHARIOTS or the MERKABAH. The occult book, the Zohar, ranks wheels above seraphim, but other sources place them as cherubim, the whole thing being confused. The ruling prince is Oriphiel or Zabkiel or Zaphiel.

DOMINIONS or DOMINATIONS Regulate angelic duties. Through them is manifested the Majesty of God. They hold an orb or sceptre as an emblem of authority, and in Hebraic lore, the chief of this order is named Hashmal or Zadkiel.

VIRTUES Work miracles on earth. They are bestowers of grace and valor.

POWERS Stop the efforts of demons to overthrow the world, or ellse they preside over demons, or perhaps (according to St. Paul) they are themselves evil. Ertosi, Sammael, or Camael (depending on source) is chief of the Powers.

PRINCIPALITIES Protectors of religion. Nisroc, in Milton, is "of principalities the prime," and others, according to various sources, are named Requel, Anael, and Cerviel.

ARCHANGELS and ANGELS Guardians of people and all physical things.

The above information was obtained from Sophy Burnham's A Book of Angels.


This is the system that I work with, and prefer.
The tenth heaven, of course, is God's throne.

There are other systems which are somewhat different, but this is the most "Christian" one,
and the one which most theosophists work with.

[lakkimakki]

id imagine they are pelicans seen in poor light and from a strange angle.

yeah you right :D

[phildee3]

I love this picture.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=348



It's disgusting!
Realism in iconography is an oxymoron.
It totally misses the point!

[phildee3]

Archangel St. Michael putting Satan in his place, not killing him:

1945

[serpentoffire]

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/angels-man-demons.jpg






http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/Alchemy5.jpg

[marpat]

There are ten, I think, according to Enoch.
I suppose you could call them the ten highest.

The Kingdom is all of them, I think, since the King of kings rules over them all.


Sounds very much like the Kabbalah with 10 spheres. In Kabbalah though these 10 are broken into 7 kingdoms, the three top spheres being one and the lowest two being one.

The evil side of the tree of live is also laid out the same but is unbalanaced force.

[drael]

Is heaven a dimension though? In the bible does not Jesus himself say that the kingdom of heaven is within, indicating it is a state of mind?

I meant as conceived by the christian religions generally. Actually i can see quite clearly jesus was a mystic or gnostic and never meant any literal ideas at all. Just one of those things with religion. First there is the mystic truth, then the interpretation, eventually it becomes a literal story.

[phildee3]

Is heaven a dimension though? In the bible does not Jesus himself say that the kingdom of heaven is within, indicating it is a state of mind?

There are many things within us that are not necessarily states of mind.

[marpat]

There are many things within us that are not necessarily states of mind.

Can you give an example. I dont mean the mind as only part of physcial existance. Even if it is only a state of mind that mind is eternal, so you could say heaven is eternal, and eternal state of being.

[ichi wa zen]

Stop concerning oneself with things one cannot see. How dumb!

[phildee3]

Can you give an example. I dont mean the mind as only part of physcial existance. Even if it is only a state of mind that mind is eternal, so you could say heaven is eternal, and eternal state of being.

You've got a totally different interpretation of mind than I do, so I think we can go no further with this 'cause I don't think it appropriate to get into a semantic debate here.
But just for the record, I am defining mind as a product of the brain. That which we use to think. The part of us which is eternal I call spirit. It is sentient but doesn't think, as such.

[marpat]

You've got a totally different interpretation of mind than I do, so I think we can go no further with this 'cause I don't think it appropriate to get into a semantic debate here.
But just for the record, I am defining mind as a product of the brain. That which we use to think. The part of us which is eternal I call spirit. It is sentient but doesn't think, as such.
We do think differently as I think there are different aspects of mind. The physical level of mind being material consciousness focussed through the brain, then you have the various subtle leves of mind which are related to the subtle planes, astral, mental, etc. To me spirit is beyond mind but empowers it. Force and form essentially. I guess there are many interpretations of what each is but as long as you have a working model then why get hung up on semantics, like you say.

[orbandsceptre27]

Angels are beings of a higher frequency who exist on plains less dense than our own. Many people have the idea that angels are more developed (higher beings) than ourselves, they are not. Angels are on a different path to most who incarnate on our plain. It`s like saying dogs are more developed than cats.

Angels are in as much awe of humanity as humanity is of them. Unfortunately we are still stuck in this linear Darwinist view of reality whereby anything from a higher dimension to ourselves is viewed as more sacred than ourselves. It`s like we`re wearing giant blinkers!

Some of the angelic hierarchy have chosen to incarnate on the Earth plain to aid the awaking which is taking place, raising the frequency. However many of these beings end up in our mental institutions as they are not capable of dealing with the lower frequencies of fear and hatred. To put it simply, most of them do not understand our "plain of madness" as they are only accustomed to living in a frequency of unconditional love.

Many people are today coming into contact with the angelic frequency. Most will go through their lives not even knowing they are being given much help/guidance on a daily basis. Some recognise there is a subtle, unseen force which seems to guide them at certain times - usually at very low moments in life or when an individual is in serious danger.

If you still the mind you will receive guidance. While one is trapped in the mind/when the mind is racing, information will not come through. The more one listens in silence the more the link grows. You may know of individuals with very strong intuition. This is because the individual has humbly stilled the mind and is transcending ego.

Angelic beings do not have wings lol, but it is still a good analogy! In dimensions above our own, when an entity enters the beingness of unconditional love very light fibres or strands are emitted from "the spinal" area of the entity. The higher the frequency, the more strands come into being and the longer the strands are. So when a sensitive/medium sees an angel these strands appear wing-like. When an individual calls on angelic help a clairvoyant will usually see a dark blue colour envelop the human aura. Also "the wings" of the angelic entity may be some way visible as they envelop the etheric field of the human.

If ever in danger/under threat of ones life, call in Archangel Michael. He will always come to peoples aid but ONLY if asked. He will never fail to help and there are many stories of people who have had "miraculous" escapes just because they called for angelic help. (They may not even be conscious of this fact after the event - they have survived because of grace and never knew it).

Nobody is ever alone in this life, people just have to realise this. Loneliness is a malady of the mind, there is no need for it!

Namaste 777.