A new theory on the "Greys"

[chris]

This is just another look at the "Greys"...

Perhaps the Greys are actually represenations of the Neo-Cortex braincells. They are grey because this is this is the colour of our "Grey matter" otherwise known as brain. They are robotic because our brains don't feel emotion but are rather instruments of intellect to be ruled by our heart.

Seeing as most people to witness the Greys have been during sleep or an unconscious state then a possibility that the Greys could be more of an internal thing rather than external. They have high technology because the neo-cortex is very advanced whereas the reptilian and mamalian brains are very ancient.

[krakhead]

This is just another look at the "Greys"...

Perhaps the Greys are actually represenations of the Neo-Cortex braincells. They are grey because this is this is the colour of our "Grey matter" otherwise known as brain. They are robotic because our brains don't feel emotion but are rather instruments of intellect to be ruled by our heart.

Seeing as most people to witness the Greys have been during sleep or an unconscious state then a possibility that the Greys could be more of an internal thing rather than external. They have high technology because the neo-cortex is very advanced whereas the reptilian and mamalian brains are very ancient.

IMHO - Bang on Sir! :)

Although I didn't think that point of view was 'new' as such. Maybe new on here? Yes?

[Anders Lindman]

I have believed that gray aliens, UFO abductions and things like that always were imaginations created in people's minds, but recently I have been thinking that there might be real Grays, small aliens with big eyes (goggles) and that they are androids/robots and exist in many places in the galaxy and even on Earth. This is of course a huge speculation, but I like to keep all options on the table. :D

[noobcybot]

There is a lot to link subconscious fears with certain types of greys, such as the fear of death being represented by big, dark eyes that are like the eye sockets of skulls.
However I believe a grey style alien race might exists, David Icke would suggest they are subordinate to the high level winged reptilians and are not like the architypal grey as such, but more like a reptile humanoid with quite large reptilian eyes and letterbox mouth etc...
What do you guys think of the Crowley drawing of the being he encountered?
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/lam.gif

[Anders Lindman]

The reason I now believe Greys might be real and that they are androids is that technological development is exponential (at least for many human technologies), meaning that the development goes faster and faster and that already within some decades we can reach a point (singularity) where the development goes explosively fast as Ray Kurzweil and others have described.

This means that there is a possibility that other civilizations out there in the universe already have reached a technological singularity point which in turn means that there then could exist very advanced androids and other forms of technology throughout the universe including here on Earth, including in ancient times.

[darketernal]

::casually enjoys his lunch while he watches with amusement as this theory unfolds:: :D

[ninaandnally]

I think they are fallen angels, the "elohim" of old.

[quetzalcoatl]

I once thought the grays might be what we evolve into in the far future.. say, if we continue down this present course. I thought they might be ourselves whom in the future have mastered time travel & have come back to correct mistakes that lead to certain un-favorable out-comes in the future; For instance - if we legalized cloning & medicine evolved so advanced that we became more & more mechanical & less natural/organic. We eventually moved so far away from our true power & spirituality that we were totally reliant on science & cloning. We become in-fertile & only able to procreate in test tubes & in-turn - the soul become diluted & weak we eventually lost all emotions/feelings & evolved into a frail/weak robotic like being.. 'the grays'.

Then there's the sulphuric stench they emit - which I feel is strong 'evidence' that points their origin/dwelling to the hollows of Earth - so I now think they are either a manufactured organic based robotic 'worker bee' for the reptilians (whom I feel are aspects of the fallen-angels) or are actually the reptilians themselves in a gray alien guise, for purposes to hide their true image or to cause further confusion (just as they hide the majority of their activity with-in the sub-conscious) & also to leave the opportunity open for more future deceptions. I guess this is my current thesis.

I just find it hard to swallow that millions of people around the world, would have an extremely similar 'nightmare' type manifestation.. So I reckon there is in fact a 'tangible reality' to these grays. & if they are in-fact here to 'help' us evolve or develop why would they cause such psychological damage &/or death - IMHO the adverse affect caused by this phenomena thus-far out weights any benefits present or future. They seem to act like they have a right to our DNA & re-productive cells & to me this seems way beyond a deal with societies 'mis-leaders' trading hardware (Human DNA) for advanced technology. Either-way if they are here for our benefit (which I strongly doubt) they're severely going about it the wrong way.

[darketernal]

I now think they are either a manufactured organic based robotic 'worker bee' for the reptilians

:cool:

[tits mcgee]

This is just another look at the "Greys"...

Perhaps the Greys are actually represenations of the Neo-Cortex braincells. They are grey because this is this is the colour of our "Grey matter" otherwise known as brain. They are robotic because our brains don't feel emotion but are rather instruments of intellect to be ruled by our heart.

Seeing as most people to witness the Greys have been during sleep or an unconscious state then a possibility that the Greys could be more of an internal thing rather than external. They have high technology because the neo-cortex is very advanced whereas the reptilian and mamalian brains are very ancient.

Who knows what they are, your guess is as good as any.

Possibly they're a genetic experiment created by the shadow government to make people believe in ET's and fear them. Leading up to a fake alien invasion in 2012 which will usher in the new world order.

Possibly they're humans from the distant future or an alternate timeline, so far into the future that they're unrecognizable as humans. They've come back to gather genetic samples because the future human race is on the verge of extinction due to genetic defects or some future disease or epidemic that's messed with our ability to procreate.

Possibly they're native to Earth but live inside the planet which would explain their huge eyes and withered bodies.

Possibly they're like galactic nannies, created by a higher power to propergate the universe with life and maintain it, maybe they take our genetic samples and propergate life on other planets in the galaxy...maybe earth is just one planet amongst millions on which human beings just like us are living...like a galactic nursery with the Greys working for our creators like Umpa Lumpa's work for Willi Wonka.

Possibly they're from an alternate reality, another dimension close to our own and they've learned how to change their vibrational frequency and slip into other dimensions including our own.

Or possibly they're a combination of a number of different theories that I've put foward here...my head hurts thinking of the possibilities.

[darketernal]

Or possibly they're a combination of a number of different theories that I've put foward here...my head hurts thinking of the possibilities.

That is the idea. Information overload is a standard tactic of the system. Confuse, divide and control.

I've met reptilians and I've met greys, but I've never met an extraterestrial and to be honest I know nothing about aliens other than what conspiracy theorist have put forward. LoL

Neither of these are aliens from what I gathered.

[tits mcgee]

What are they then?...in your opinion.

[darketernal]

What are they then?...in your opinion.

Fair enough question. It is my belief that the reptilians are intelligent beings that evolved from dinosaurs, and developed technologies and a society on this planet long long before humanity existed. They genetically modified simians on earth to create humans as their livestock.

The greys are a semi-conscious cloned beings with a hive-mind type intelligence, and are very much like worker bees, have no digestive system or reproductive system, and very few thoughts of their own. They are heavily modified clones with a human base. They are in essence humans, but modified through genetic engineering so heavily that they no longer really appear as humans do.

It does not appear, from what I've experienced, that many alien life forms really have a great deal of interest in dealing with humans, as humans are not only not the dominant intelligent life on this planet, but are viewed as property by the reptilians. As a manifestation of consciousness, humanity has massive creatative potential, but it is heavily suppressed by intentional programing and ignorance.

[tits mcgee]

Fair enough question. It is my belief that the reptilians are intelligent beings that evolved from dinosaurs, and developed technologies and a society on this planet long long before humanity existed. They genetically modified simians on earth to create humans as their livestock.

They would have had millions of years to evolve into a more complicated lifeform, so why not. Look at how far humans have come in a shorter time span.

The greys are a semi-conscious cloned beings with a hive-mind type intelligence, and are very much like worker bees, have no digestive system or reproductive system, and very few thoughts of their own. They are heavily modified clones with a human base. They are in essence humans, but modified through genetic engineering so heavily that they no longer really appear as humans do.

In your opinion, who enginered the Greys and for what specific purpose?

[darketernal]

They would have had millions of years to evolve into a more complicated lifeform, so why not. Look at how far humans have come in a shorter time span.

They have evolved considerably. Just because they have scales does not mean minimal evolution. Humans had a helping hand.

As far as explaining why they have not evolved into something far more complicated in that time, I do not have an answer. I could speculate, but it would be guesswork.


In your opinion, who enginered the Greys and for what specific purpose?

The greys were engineered by reptilians, as workers, helpers, piolets for their craft, etc. They are capable of survival in more extreme environments than either humans or reptilians.

Again, everyone is entitled to their own perspective on these things.

[tits mcgee]

They have evolved considerably. Just because they have scales does not mean minimal evolution. Humans had a helping hand.

As far as explaining why they have not evolved into something far more complicated in that time, I do not have an answer. I could speculate, but it would be guesswork.

I mean't "why not" as in your theory is plausible. Not "Why didn't they evolve into a more complicated form"...becoming bipedal and self aware is a pretty big evolutional leap regardless of scales.


The greys were engineered by reptilians, as workers, helpers, piolets for their craft, etc. They are capable of survival in more extreme environments than either humans or reptilians.

Okay then, interesting hypothesis. Though I'm not sold on the exisence of the Reptilians.

Again, everyone is entitled to their own perspective on these things.

I totally agree on that.

[darketernal]

Okay then, interesting hypothesis. Though I'm not sold on the exisence of the Reptilians.


It is a good thing I am not selling then. :D

[romas]

I think they are fallen angels, the "elohim" of old.


Define angels in earthly terms and todays standarts, no dogmatic mumbo jumbo pls ;)

I agree somewhat that they are same thing ancients describe, but I kind of question whether they are anything to do with what we could call Creation or God, these loose terms "good" "evil" etc.

[romas]

The reason I now believe Greys might be real and that they are androids is that technological development is exponential (at least for many human technologies), meaning that the development goes faster and faster and that already within some decades we can reach a point (singularity) where the development goes explosively fast as Ray Kurzweil and others have described.

This means that there is a possibility that other civilizations out there in the universe already have reached a technological singularity point which in turn means that there then could exist very advanced androids and other forms of technology throughout the universe including here on Earth, including in ancient times.



Surely it's possible, look at the NWO agenda, creation of subserviant race, nothing more.
If technology was high enough, you would not have to exploit your fellow beings, you build workers the way you want!

[romas]

I once thought the grays might be what we evolve into in the far future.. say, if we continue down this present course. I thought they might be ourselves whom in the future have mastered time travel & have come back to correct mistakes that lead to certain un-favorable out-comes in the future; For instance - if we legalized cloning & medicine evolved so advanced that we became more & more mechanical & less natural/organic. We eventually moved so far away from our true power & spirituality that we were totally reliant on science & cloning. We become in-fertile & only able to procreate in test tubes & in-turn - the soul become diluted & weak we eventually lost all emotions/feelings & evolved into a frail/weak robotic like being.. 'the grays'.

Then there's the sulphuric stench they emit - which I feel is strong 'evidence' that points their origin/dwelling to the hollows of Earth - so I now think they are either a manufactured organic based robotic 'worker bee' for the reptilians (whom I feel are aspects of the fallen-angels) or are actually the reptilians themselves in a gray alien guise, for purposes to hide their true image or to cause further confusion (just as they hide the majority of their activity with-in the sub-conscious) & also to leave the opportunity open for more future deceptions. I guess this is my current thesis.

I just find it hard to swallow that millions of people around the world, would have an extremely similar 'nightmare' type manifestation.. So I reckon there is in fact a 'tangible reality' to these grays. & if they are in-fact here to 'help' us evolve or develop why would they cause such psychological damage &/or death - IMHO the adverse affect caused by this phenomena thus-far out weights any benefits present or future. They seem to act like they have a right to our DNA & re-productive cells & to me this seems way beyond a deal with societies 'mis-leaders' trading hardware (Human DNA) for advanced technology. Either-way if they are here for our benefit (which I strongly doubt) they're severely going about it the wrong way.




Yeah this future humans being greys is where Dan Burishch stands and quite a few more, you can find all that and more from Project Camelot(google).
It's very credible theory, yet just a theory in my view as there are many other theories with credibility, but they do not quite fit in the same picture.

Curious, but there are far more "endorsing" contactees than some one who would despise aliens, even some one who has been literally tortured, would come out as if in some sort of hard, but in the end a positive event.
In fact I've never seen any "contactee" who would say they are here to destroy us, not one! Some say they could be creating new species of man or possible colonization of hybrids etc etc.
It's usualy the "religious" nutcases who denounce them as evil with some ridiculouse claims, smoke and mirrors arguments.

[romas]

Who knows what they are, your guess is as good as any.

Possibly they're a genetic experiment created by the shadow government to make people believe in ET's and fear them. Leading up to a fake alien invasion in 2012 which will usher in the new world order.

Possibly they're humans from the distant future or an alternate timeline, so far into the future that they're unrecognizable as humans. They've come back to gather genetic samples because the future human race is on the verge of extinction due to genetic defects or some future disease or epidemic that's messed with our ability to procreate.

Possibly they're native to Earth but live inside the planet which would explain their huge eyes and withered bodies.

Possibly they're like galactic nannies, created by a higher power to propergate the universe with life and maintain it, maybe they take our genetic samples and propergate life on other planets in the galaxy...maybe earth is just one planet amongst millions on which human beings just like us are living...like a galactic nursery with the Greys working for our creators like Umpa Lumpa's work for Willi Wonka.

Possibly they're from an alternate reality, another dimension close to our own and they've learned how to change their vibrational frequency and slip into other dimensions including our own.

Or possibly they're a combination of a number of different theories that I've put foward here...my head hurts thinking of the possibilities.



Heh that pretty much summed up all theories on internets, bravo! :)

[talkingchimp]

while your chasing ET the un and the agricultural industries are attempting to reduce all the nutrient in your food supply so that we all starve......

[romas]

Fair enough question. It is my belief that the reptilians are intelligent beings that evolved from dinosaurs, and developed technologies and a society on this planet long long before humanity existed. They genetically modified simians on earth to create humans as their livestock.


Seems pretty good theory, however, where did they all go? Why leave earth if so, as legends go "mate with huma woman" why do that? They envy humans something?

[darketernal]

Seems pretty good theory, however, where did they all go? Why leave earth if so, as legends go "mate with huma woman" why do that? They envy humans something?


It is fairly commonly accepted in reptilian research circles that they have cities underground on earth. How many millions of years would it take to develop faster than light travel and transdimensional travel?

The purpose of hybridizing with humans, is quite simply to create an overseer race, which the theory behind is covered by Icke.

The rational behind my theories comes from my experiences dealing with both greys and reptilians, and my conscious justification for the things I was told or the impressions I got from those experiences.

[chris]

This is just another look at the "Greys"...

Perhaps the Greys are actually represenations of the Neo-Cortex braincells. They are grey because this is this is the colour of our "Grey matter" otherwise known as brain. They are robotic because our brains don't feel emotion but are rather instruments of intellect to be ruled by our heart.

Seeing as most people to witness the Greys have been during sleep or an unconscious state then a possibility that the Greys could be more of an internal thing rather than external. They have high technology because the neo-cortex is very advanced whereas the reptilian and mamalian brains are very ancient.

IMHO - Bang on Sir! :)

Although I didn't think that point of view was 'new' as such. Maybe new on here? Yes?


Interesting, I didn't know that anyone had put this theory out before...I though of it when I had a dream of my kundalini raising and then I saw a lot of greys all sitting down and one looked at my right in the eyes. Pretty cold characters I must add..

[quetzalcoatl]

Yeah this future humans being greys is where Dan Burishch stands and quite a few more, you can find all that and more from Project Camelot(google).
It's very credible theory, yet just a theory in my view as there are many other theories with credibility, but they do not quite fit in the same picture.

Curious, but there are far more "endorsing" contactees than some one who would despise aliens, even some one who has been literally tortured, would come out as if in some sort of hard, but in the end a positive event.
In fact I've never seen any "contactee" who would say they are here to destroy us, not one! Some say they could be creating new species of man or possible colonization of hybrids etc etc.
It's usualy the "religious" nutcases who denounce them as evil with some ridiculouse claims, smoke and mirrors arguments.

Your perfectly entitled to your opinion. But, please don't take mine out of context. My aim was in no way shape or form to convey hatred or to despise any form of aliens (although I have come to my own conclusion that the grays are up-to no good & are ultimately adverse to Human evolution - which is different from hating/despising them - I could in-fact be wrong, which I doubt BTW) - anyone with the slightest glimmer of Spirituality knows the folly of keeping hatred/despising feelings in their heart. & that is not directed @ you.

I know what your saying in most cases nightmarish situation that some-how eventually turns out good in the end with certain gifts or insights or messages for humanity etc. I'm not totally sure what to believe anymore in regards to getting accurate answers (like - hypnotic regressions, eye witness testimonies etc.. even my own memory I've cross examined & strived to be impartial for truths sake) so for a while now I've stopped researching this (to minimize influence on my own recollections) & I've turned inwardly & drawn on my experiences - which I strongly feel equates to symptoms of the abduction phenomena & it's only small fragments of memory here & there, but powerful ones stretching all the way to my Child-hood that I have no vested interest in fabricating.. & quite frankly I honestly don't care if anyone believes me or not because I'm 100% confident that the truth will emerge in the end of the day, so much so that I really CBF categorizing ALL the wee photographic fragments of soul searching I've done. In regards to the majority of contactees seeing their experiences as over-all beneficial - I can only offer form my perspective that I'm sure people are chosen for unique qualities (not that I think I'm in any way special - I'm just like you & everyone else) & not that there's not a chance almost everyone on Earth @ some stage in their life has been abducted.. I just think that abductees usually tend to display very empathetic/sympathetic & forgiving qualities which may have something to do with their final conclusions.

I'll drop ya a couple here no reverse psychology, no sub-conscious triggers, just the raw - un-lovely truth. Which I feel is quite relevant to the true nature of these grays. When I was a Child between 6-8 give or take. I use to have these terrible nightmares & 'become conscious' screaming in terror & my Mother would come to calm me down.. Well, this one time I remember very specifically my Mum asking me what blue people are here? - theres no blue creatures in your room.. It's just a nightmare etc & I don't remember complaining about blue people but I remember her answering my complaints - & I remember that there was something in my room. Then if running on auto-talk-pilot - I said it was my stomach.. My stomach was sore & I totally distinctly remember that felt like a lie.. & wondering why I was saying that & that for some reason I was suppose to say that. These experiences continued for a while & I can remember it actually did start to manifest as stomach aches.. But I do remember it started out as like a manipulated lie!

Now, there's so so much more.. Everything form missing time to memories of a rotten egg smell accompanying un-wanted inturders & when I was older jumping out of my skin - almost literally - while watching Whitley Strieber's movie - Communion. & the gray emerging from around the corner of the door I was sitting on a couch with my Family & I almost shate.. & I had the distinct feeling I'd seen that before. Others like PJ's inside out - & it's weird that I'd distinctly remember things like this ay? Items misplaced in my room. Bleeding rectum in primary school, the odd nose bleeds here & there (but not an excessive amount). It's all small fragments of memory but strong & distinctive slightly painful lump on my jaw that I have to this day (which may or may-not be relevant) - mostly concentrated in my childhood to early teens. & then there's the whole feelings.. A feeling where I can almost exactly pin-point the nights I've been visited simply by the odd & totally out-of-place feelings before & the next day, yet also a sort of feeling that I'm special or different from everyone else (which is something I didn't ask for).. It's really strange.. It's like I began to know when they were coming - which I feel is part of their power of Humans & how they gain an 'open door'. There's lots lots more - like a group contact @ a Christian camp & also, a full blown possession by reptilians & on some conscious level I bloody knew they were watching in & on their way & I even voiced this to my ex-partner.. & I've been out of body during this encounter & I've felt what it's like & I've seen the evil & I've heard & felt the Good - & I can say it's nothing like a voice in the head - which implies a male/female voice & totally gives it no justice.. I felt the feeling & the love & heard the warnings which I equate to knowing 'Jesus' good/warm/soft yoke (perfect description) yet, I may-be mistaken & it may have been a message from someone/something else. But, if you've seen what I've seen you'd know it's evil (the reptilians) & you'd.. just know. It's hard to explain it's like knowing but not knowing..

It always sounds so fantastic & outrageously un-real.. & to an extent it's like it's un-real, because I trully think I'd be dead now if I didn't master detachment early on - but this is what I've honestly come to realize & that's the best I can explain it.. It is kinda hard to bear sometimes but words don't give it much credit & if you'd been through all of it & have a character as I do of not living in the past & just moving on, you might just sorta feel it's all not that bad.

This is all I want to share about this ATM.. So I wont answer any question you may have regarding this stuff but just trust me - I'm not jumping to conclusions & trying to wrongly condemn the grays - I know what I'm doing. & of-course your welcome to judge & form your own opinions.

WOW! that was almost like therapy.. :D Which I probably need.. But I know better. ;)

[darketernal]

Quetz, I agree with what you have you to say on hatred and anger. They are not emotions that will serve you in this issue. You can love others while still rejecting their actions, and standing up against what they do.

I agree that, the grey's are highly controlled, almost robotic, beings and their actions are not in the best interest of humanity.

[tejas]

Nice idea

Personally I think they and can traverse the astral realms, hence why you see them in dream states.

Ive seen them in dream states, people say they are cold and indifferent, but they seemed quite sypathetic to me, my 2 cents.

[lizzy]

This is just another look at the "Greys"...

Perhaps the Greys are actually represenations of the Neo-Cortex braincells. They are grey because this is this is the colour of our "Grey matter" otherwise known as brain. They are robotic because our brains don't feel emotion but are rather instruments of intellect to be ruled by our heart.

Seeing as most people to witness the Greys have been during sleep or an unconscious state then a possibility that the Greys could be more of an internal thing rather than external. They have high technology because the neo-cortex is very advanced whereas the reptilian and mamalian brains are very ancient.

this is the closest explaination I willing to sign on to.......;)

but the word CON-spiracy comes to mind.......

OK, darketernal, if you have seen them , please tell us more...........

For me the universe is indeed vast, multi-universes , yes......but why now, in the last 30-40 yrs? There was no talk of them before when we were kept in fear for hundreds of years by satan and demons, ...well that does'nt work now for most and the evil FKN elite had to update and add to their arsenal of mind control ..as if they did'nt have enough....but NO they had to devise another for all the free-thinkers.......LOL.

And such a CON-vienient time.....I'm expecting either man made or holograhic aliens and spacecraft in 2012 and beyond, cus when the food becomes scarce and the riots start, they are gunna need a new 'uniting' fall guy / enemy .

The Elite NEED every tool of deflection from themsleves they can get their filthy hands on.

Alot of people are not going to swollow we are eating and breathing too much ...I caused all the evil and corruption either......
but to blame a reppie is walking into the next sheep pen................

[krakhead]

Interesting, I didn't know that anyone had put this theory out before...I though of it when I had a dream of my kundalini raising and then I saw a lot of greys all sitting down and one looked at my right in the eyes. Pretty cold characters I must add..

Well even more kudos to you! Guess you're onto something there! :)

I read about it quite a few years back in New Scientist and possibly Fortean Times and/or Nexus - I know I read about it more than one place anyway!

Studies on frontal lobe epilepsy were what brought it about if I recall correctly.

Similar points of view have been raised by people studying 'near-death' experiences as well.

[noobcybot]

The aliens of now and the demons of old are one and the same entity Lizzy.

[darketernal]

this is the closest explaination I willing to sign on to.......;)

but the word CON-spiracy comes to mind.......

OK, darketernal, if you have seen them , please tell us more...........

For me the universe is indeed vast, multi-universes , yes......but why now, in the last 30-40 yrs? There's no talk of them before.......before were kept in fear by satan and demons, ...well that does'nt work now for most and the evil FKN elite had to update and add to their arsenal of mind control ..as if they did'nt have enough....but NO they had to devise another for all the free-thinkers.......LOL.

And such a CON-vienient time.....I really am expecting either man made or holograhic aliens and sourses in 2012 and beyond, cus when the food becomes scarce and the riots start, they are gunna need a FNK good new uniting enemy , because alot of people are not going to swollow we are our own enemy ...I caused all the evil and corruption?? The Elite NEED every tool of deflection they can get their filthy hands on.

We are definately going to see a fake alien invasion. That is why the greys have been brought so much into the mainstream. What a better way to unite the world under marshall law than an alien invasion? What a better way to distract people from the threat below that has controled them from the start than to force them to focus on the threat from above?

To answer your question Lizzy, I have a topic going on this thread.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30521

[darketernal]

The aliens of now and the demons of old are one and the same entity Lizzy.

The demons AND gods of old, and the aliens of today are the same. They are also the same in that they have intentionally been misrepresented in both past and present.

[noobcybot]

Hey Dark! Can I ask you what you think to the reptilians being controlled by a higher force in another dimension or indeed the negative part of the creator consciousness?

[lizzy]

The demons AND gods of old, and the aliens of today are the same. They are also the same in that they have intentionally been misrepresented in both past and present.

Wow , how CON-venient......great little shapeshifters are'nt they?

Fake , Real.........NO BOTH, LOL.........give me a break, LOL

They know how to move a trillion bucks in one key stroke too I bet.:rolleyes:

[darketernal]

Hey Dark! Can I ask you what you think to the reptilians being controlled by a higher force in another dimension or indeed the negative part of the creator consciousness?

What is the difference between a higher force and negative force? They come from the same source. Is it a negative thing for you to raise your own domesticated sheep and slaughter and eat them for food? Is it a negative thing for you to keep them inside a pen, and work and use sheep dogs to herd them and keep them from getting out of that pen? Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has undergone trama-based mind control.

They just are. Like humans they have positive and negative aspects in each of their individual manifestations of consciousness.

[lizzy]

What is the difference between a higher force and negative force? They come from the same source. Is it a negative thing for you to raise your own domesticated sheep and slaughter and eat them for food? Is it a negative thing for you to keep them inside a pen, and work and use sheep dogs to herd them and keep them from getting out of that pen? Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has undergone trama-based mind control.

They just are. Like humans they have positive and negative aspects in each of their individual manifestations of consciousness.

OH, PLEASE...........:rolleyes::eek:

Well at least your honest about it..........

"Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has undergone trama-based mind control."

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Say no more.......Bob's your uncle.......I am outta here.........

[noobcybot]

I was more wondering how you viewed reptilains, are they controlled from the fourth dimension by a visibly separate entity or are they interdimensional themselves?

Lizzy you are using one of the weakest tools in the conspiracy theorists chest. I dont really care that the word conspiracy contains the word con ( which came first anyway,it doesant matter) it doesant really imply anything.
How do you think humans by their own invention will be capable of staging a massed invasion of Earth by extraterrestrial forces? Even if the NWO has technology 100 years ahead of ours it would be enough to convince people of alien invasion.

[darketernal]

I was more wondering how you viewed reptilains, are they controlled from the fourth dimension by a visibly separate entity or are they interdimensional themselves?

Lizzy you are using one of the weakest tools in the conspiracy theorists chest. I dont really care that the word conspiracy contains the word con ( which came first anyway,it doesant matter) it doesant really imply anything.
How do you think humans by their own invention will be capable of staging a massed invasion of Earth by extraterrestrial forces? Even if the NWO has technology 100 years ahead of ours it would be enough to convince people of alien invasion.

I do not have an answer on that one noobcybot. I think many of them are skilled at astral travel. The entire question though takes me into an area I do not have a good understanding of. Just becase I come from what Icke calls "a bloodline family" and was part of the system, doesn't mean I was told everything.

As to your other question to Lizzy, our governments have the technology to pull something like this off. There is a signifigant gap between what we are shown and what they actually have, and if people just watch the mainstream news, what they admit to having is more advanced that the average person realizes.

[cheeb]

Here Is Where Grays First Came Into The Psyche....

Barney And Betty Hill A Summary:

The Interrupted Journey


* September, 1961; Betty and Barney Hill return from their Canadian vacation along US Route 3
* Couple notice a bright, starlike object heading for their car; Barney stopped the car for Betty to get a closer look
* The object came closer to them; it appeared to be saucer-shaped
* Hills saw UFOnauts dressed in shiny black leather uniforms
* The object came closer still; the Hills retreated to car and were pursued for a short time but got home
* Later, the Hills found 2 hours of "missing time"; later hypnosis recovered their abduction ordeal
* Hills separately describe a "medical exam" by Gray Aliens
* Their case became the prototype for all future abduction stories

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2637/bbpicpa6.jpg

This is one of the most well known and most historically important cases of alien abduction of all time, mainly because it's all baloney. However, it was well televised baloney, and that brought UFO abductions, and the little gray men that the Hills reported seeing, into the mainstream of popular culture.

What actually happened to the Hills that night? Hell if I know. But I know what didn't happen: They were not, absolutely not, kidnapped by space aliens. The reason I say this is based on a number of things. After the abduction, there's a period of "amnesia" where the abductee remembers nothing out of the ordinary. Then, after having some nightmares or "partially recovered memories," the abductee undergoes months of intense hypnotherapy, at the end of which they come to realize they really were kidnapped by space aliens. This is exactly how it happened in the Hill case: They never actually got around to telling the authoritative "complete" version of the story until years after the incident happened.

Betty Hill was 100% certain she'd been abducted by aliens. This isn't all that surprising, since she was a paranormal and cult enthusiast herself: When you spend most of your free time reading books on UFO abductions, there's a rather good chance you'll end up thinking you were abducted yourself. Her husband, on the other hand, didn't think anything unusual had happened, and only after six months of "therapy" was he ready to admit he'd been taken aboard a spaceship.

In the words of Dr Simon, a prominent Boston psychiatrist that treated the Hills "People do not necessarily tell the factual truth while they are under hypnosis ­- all they tell is what they believe to be the truth." It was his opinion that Betty Hill made the whole thing up and only under hypnosis was she able to convince her husband that it had happened. (Fun side note: UFO enthusiasts claim that Dr. Simon, a fully trained and reputable mental health professional, made these statements because he was afraid of damaging his reputation by being associated with UFOs

Barney Hill, for his part, described seeing a being inside the spacecraft "with large wraparound eyes" which I think we can all agree is a bit odd. He never mentioned it in the original version of his story: In fact, he made this claim 12 days after a popular TV show, The Outer Limits, featured a character with the exact same features. The Outer Limits was a show popular in the mid-sixties, and this particular episode, "The Bellero Shield", aired February 10, 1964. Hill never made any mention of such a creature in the three years between the "incident" and the airing of the show, then, less than a fortnight after seeing it on TV, he claimed he'd seen it in 1961. Wraparound eyes are a pretty unique feature, and to the extent of my knowledge, has never been done anywhere else in science fiction.

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5604/hillalienssmyn1.jpg
Gray as sketched by Betty Hill

Anyway, before the Hills abduction and wraparound eyes were rare and non-existent; after their well-publicized adventures, people started coming out of the woodwork claiming both. The Hills would later claim it was impossible for Barney to have seen the show because he worked nights. However, his shift did not start until midnight, and the show aired at 7:30. You don't need to be a wizened old clockmaker to realize he had plenty of time.

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7692/hillalienuy9.jpg
Alien From "The Bellero Shield" The Outer Limits..

Did space people decide to use the publicity from this case as a starter's pistol, the green light to start kidnapping people en masse? Or did the publicity from this case create other abductions in the same way that this case was created from TV shows and books that Betty Hill had read?

So there you have it. It's the case that sparked the phenomena of alien abductions, little gray aliens, and crazy looking eyes.

There Is One Abduction Scenario That Predates This As A Template Though:

[noobcybot]

As to your other question to Lizzy, our governments have the technology to pull something like this off. There is a signifigant gap between what we are shown and what they actually have, and if people just watch the mainstream news, what they admit to having is more advanced that the average person realizes.

I was reffering to the fact that if the governments did not have a link to real extra/interterrestrails as Lizzy seems put forward....that the technology would only be hundred years or so ahead of what the public is made aware of, and therefore not enough to provide a fake invasion.

Dont you think a race or new class war would be much more likely than a staged alien invasion if the nwo didnt have connections to a higher power?

This is not a problem for me as such because I do believe they are in contact with higher powers.

[cheeb]

There is a lot to link subconscious fears with certain types of greys, such as the fear of death being represented by big, dark eyes that are like the eye sockets of skulls.
However I believe a grey style alien race might exists, David Icke would suggest they are subordinate to the high level winged reptilians and are not like the architypal grey as such, but more like a reptile humanoid with quite large reptilian eyes and letterbox mouth etc...
What do you guys think of the Crowley drawing of the being he encountered?
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/lam.gif

This One Is Interesting Though:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9449/stele666lk1.gif
Thebes, XXVI Dynasty
Painted Stucco on Wood
31 x 51.5 cm (approx. 12" x 20")
Catalog No. 666 - Boulak Museum, Cairo, Egypt

About fourteen years after the Cairo incident, Crowley was visited by another being called Lam, who was invoked to continue what Aiwaz started.

Crowley did not refer to Lam much in his own work, but he did draw Lam's portrait for the frontispiece of Madame Blavatsky's 1919 book The Voice of the Silence, with this caption: "Lam is the Tibetan word for Way or Path, and Lama is He who Goeth, the specific title of the Gods of Egypt, the Treader of the Path, in Buddhistic phraseology.

Its numerical value is 71, the number of this book."

Lam was Crowley's Lama.

What's more, theosophy had taken root in the United States by the late 19th century, and one of its more famous adherents was L. Frank Baum, author of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz,

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5369/lamzk1.png


His text has provided people of a mystical mindset many hours of symbolic scavenger-hunting enjoyment, which was not lost on the creators of the 1939 MGM film.

Many have noted the similarities between the names 'Aiwaz' and 'Oz,' as well as Crowley's drawing of Lam and Oz himself from the film.

[cheeb]

Maybe This Is The Template,
To The Modern Abduction "Experience":

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6029/astoundindxc7.jpg

One particular cover, from Astounding Stories (seen here), published in June 1935, is particularly important. It shows two alien beings with no hair, no nose, a slit-like mouth and large eyes. Through a door, one of the strange creatures is looking at a woman on an examination table. Her eyes are closed and she is covered by a sheet (a convention of the time), but it is clear that she is naked under the cloth. In the foreground another creature is restraining a man trying to break through to the woman.

This cover predicts many elements of the abduction phenomenon of forty years later. Although, the alien beings have pupils in large whites of the eyes, the similarities to the modern abductions is striking.

:eek:

Although,
Faery King Abductions To Magical Worlds Do Predate This..!!!

;)

[romas]

Your perfectly entitled to your opinion. But, please don't take mine out of context. My aim was in no way shape or form to convey hatred or to despise any form of aliens (although I have come to my own conclusion that the grays are up-to no good & are ultimately adverse to Human evolution - which is different from hating/despising them - I could in-fact be wrong, which I doubt BTW) - anyone with the slightest glimmer of Spirituality knows the folly of keeping hatred/despising feelings in their heart. & that is not directed @ you.

I know what your saying in most cases nightmarish situation that some-how eventually turns out good in the end with certain gifts or insights or messages for humanity etc. I'm not totally sure what to believe anymore in regards to getting accurate answers (like - hypnotic regressions, eye witness testimonies etc.. even my own memory I've cross examined & strived to be impartial for truths sake) so for a while now I've stopped researching this (to minimize influence on my own recollections) & I've turned inwardly & drawn on my experiences - which I strongly feel equates to symptoms of the abduction phenomena & it's only small fragments of memory here & there, but powerful ones stretching all the way to my Child-hood that I have no vested interest in fabricating.. & quite frankly I honestly don't care if anyone believes me or not because I'm 100% confident that the truth will emerge in the end of the day, so much so that I really CBF categorizing ALL the wee photographic fragments of soul searching I've done. In regards to the majority of contactees seeing their experiences as over-all beneficial - I can only offer form my perspective that I'm sure people are chosen for unique qualities (not that I think I'm in any way special - I'm just like you & everyone else) & not that there's not a chance almost everyone on Earth @ some stage in their life has been abducted.. I just think that abductees usually tend to display very empathetic/sympathetic & forgiving qualities which may have something to do with their final conclusions.

I'll drop ya a couple here no reverse psychology, no sub-conscious triggers, just the raw - un-lovely truth. Which I feel is quite relevant to the true nature of these grays. When I was a Child between 6-8 give or take. I use to have these terrible nightmares & 'become conscious' screaming in terror & my Mother would come to calm me down.. Well, this one time I remember very specifically my Mum asking me what blue people are here? - theres no blue creatures in your room.. It's just a nightmare etc & I don't remember complaining about blue people but I remember her answering my complaints - & I remember that there was something in my room. Then if running on auto-talk-pilot - I said it was my stomach.. My stomach was sore & I totally distinctly remember that felt like a lie.. & wondering why I was saying that & that for some reason I was suppose to say that. These experiences continued for a while & I can remember it actually did start to manifest as stomach aches.. But I do remember it started out as like a manipulated lie!

Now, there's so so much more.. Everything form missing time to memories of a rotten egg smell accompanying un-wanted inturders & when I was older jumping out of my skin - almost literally - while watching Whitley Strieber's movie - Communion. & the gray emerging from around the corner of the door I was sitting on a couch with my Family & I almost shate.. & I had the distinct feeling I'd seen that before. Others like PJ's inside out - & it's weird that I'd distinctly remember things like this ay? Items misplaced in my room. Bleeding rectum in primary school, the odd nose bleeds here & there (but not an excessive amount). It's all small fragments of memory but strong & distinctive slightly painful lump on my jaw that I have to this day (which may or may-not be relevant) - mostly concentrated in my childhood to early teens. & then there's the whole feelings.. A feeling where I can almost exactly pin-point the nights I've been visited simply by the odd & totally out-of-place feelings before & the next day, yet also a sort of feeling that I'm special or different from everyone else (which is something I didn't ask for).. It's really strange.. It's like I began to know when they were coming - which I feel is part of their power of Humans & how they gain an 'open door'. There's lots lots more - like a group contact @ a Christian camp & also, a full blown possession by reptilians & on some conscious level I bloody knew they were watching in & on their way & I even voiced this to my ex-partner.. & I've been out of body during this encounter & I've felt what it's like & I've seen the evil & I've heard & felt the Good - & I can say it's nothing like a voice in the head - which implies a male/female voice & totally gives it no justice.. I felt the feeling & the love & heard the warnings which I equate to knowing 'Jesus' good/warm/soft yoke (perfect description) yet, I may-be mistaken & it may have been a message from someone/something else. But, if you've seen what I've seen you'd know it's evil (the reptilians) & you'd.. just know. It's hard to explain it's like knowing but not knowing..

It always sounds so fantastic & outrageously un-real.. & to an extent it's like it's un-real, because I trully think I'd be dead now if I didn't master detachment early on - but this is what I've honestly come to realize & that's the best I can explain it.. It is kinda hard to bear sometimes but words don't give it much credit & if you'd been through all of it & have a character as I do of not living in the past & just moving on, you might just sorta feel it's all not that bad.

This is all I want to share about this ATM.. So I wont answer any question you may have regarding this stuff but just trust me - I'm not jumping to conclusions & trying to wrongly condemn the grays - I know what I'm doing. & of-course your welcome to judge & form your own opinions.

WOW! that was almost like therapy.. :D Which I probably need.. But I know better. ;)



Thanks for sharing :)

Well personally I have memory of room being light up and my grandmother being frozen in place, but that's it, it's like a cut in memory.
The funny thing is she comfirmed that indeed our room was light up from outside in midnight and she took a paper and could easily read, but couldn't look into the windows as light was so intense, she does not remmeber being frozen in place though. I was a toddler back then I don't think I would make that up as I wasn't watching movies. The memory is so hazy though, like a dream.
Oh and I can't remember the last time I had nightmare, I think I might have had 1-2 scary, but nothing horrible dreams in my life.

[cheeb]

I Agree.

---------------------------------------------------------------------


Your short-changing yourself Cheep. No Conspiracy here folks, move along nothing to see.. :rolleyes: You do them good favor - exactly what they what.. Not to be remembered & stay hidden.

First I've heard about Betty being an occult literary reader before their abduction. & doesn't really prove anything.

Like my experiences I've never really been drawn to paranormal studies or alien phenomena - although I always thought it was abstractly attractive - it wasn't until 4-5 years ago when I started recovering memories about the same time as contact with the reptilians that I become acutely interested in researching such stuff.

I eventually came across DI's work - & like I've stated from the very start (well, my start) in the old DI 'theforum' I felt that I was always suppose to come across his work - & that a lot of what he'd experienced telepathic communication & spider-webs to the facial is exactly what I'd experienced even before I've even heard the name David Icke. & over the years researching DI & others it's plain to see that my experiences directly line up with his reports from others for eg. The origins of the 'the evil eyes' wide unblinking starring etc etc which way before I've heard of DI I've experienced like looking @ certain people & having a feeling that something else is watching me.. Never straying form their gaze. & things has happened a few times following an encounter on St. Bennidicts st (just a coincidence nothing to worry about) all those years ago.. Least I forget again. & it's not every day & everyone.. But they know I've seen them & they know my ex & I remember.

One thing you may find interesting regarding the Hills abduction - is the Zeta Reticuli star map Betty recovered during hypnosis (hypnotic regression which I'm still on the fence about) but this is interesting never-the-less.. Because she accurately depicted a star system that was only discovered years later.. Nothing to see here.. No conspiracy, run along now. You find it yourself.

It's A Bit Vague,

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8219/zetahillvs1.gif

When Taking Into Account Parallax,
And All That Stuff...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2328/bettyhillstarmapts6.gif

But Maybe There Is A Similarity...

This Image Has Ingrained Itself Into Our Subconcious More Though...

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6169/doordw5.jpg

The Door To Perception.......

:rolleyes:

[quetzalcoatl]

Like my experiences I've never really been drawn to paranormal studies or alien phenomena - although I always thought it was abstractly attractive - it wasn't until 4-5 years ago when I started recovering memories about the same time as contact with the reptilians that I become acutely interested in researching such stuff.

I eventually came across DI work - & like I've stated from the very start (well, my start) in the old DI 'theforum' I felt that I was always suppose to come across his work - & that a lot of what he'd experienced telepathic communication & spider-webs to the facial is exactly what I'd experienced even before I've even heard the name David Icke. & over the years researching DI & others it's plain to see that my experiences directly line up with his reports from others for eg. The origins of the 'the evil eyes' wide unblinking starring etc etc which way before I've heard of DI I've experienced like looking @ certain people & having a feeling that something else is watching me.. Never straying form their gaze. & things has happened a few times following an encounter on St. Bennidicts st (just a coincidence nothing to worry about) all those years ago.. Least I forget again. & it's not every day & everyone.. But they know I've seen them & they know my ex & I remember.

One thing you may find interesting regarding the Hills abduction - is the Zeta Reticuli star map Betty recovered during hypnosis (hypnotic regression which I'm still on the fence about) but this is interesting never-the-less.. Because she accurately depicted a star system that was only discovered years later.. Nothing to see here.. No conspiracy, run along now. You find it yourself.

[quetzalcoatl]

The aliens of now and the demons of old are one and the same entity Lizzy.

I agree.

[quetzalcoatl]

Thanks for sharing :)

Well personally I have memory of room being light up and my grandmother being frozen in place, but that's it, it's like a cut in memory.
The funny thing is she comfirmed that indeed our room was light up from outside in midnight and she took a paper and could easily read, but couldn't look into the windows as light was so intense, she does not remmeber being frozen in place though. I was a toddler back then I don't think I would make that up as I wasn't watching movies. The memory is so hazy though, like a dream.
Oh and I can't remember the last time I had nightmare, I think I might have had 1-2 scary, but nothing horrible dreams in my life.

That sounds remarkably like an alien 'reach-around' to me. Good Luck.

[cheeb]

Like my experiences I've never really been drawn to paranormal studies or alien phenomena - although I always thought it was abstractly attractive - it wasn't until 4-5 years ago when I started recovering memories about the same time as contact with the reptilians that I become acutely interested in researching such stuff.

I eventually came across DI work - & like I've stated from the very start (well, my start) in the old DI 'theforum' I felt that I was always suppose to come across his work - & that a lot of what he'd experienced telepathic communication & spider-webs to the facial is exactly what I'd experienced even before I've even heard the name David Icke. & over the years researching DI & others it's plain to see that my experiences directly line up with his reports from others for eg. The origins of the 'the evil eyes' wide unblinking starring etc etc which way before I've heard of DI I've experienced like looking @ certain people & having a feeling that something else is watching me.. Never straying form their gaze. & things has happened a few times following an encounter on St. Bennidicts st (just a coincidence nothing to worry about) all those years ago.. Least I forget again. & it's not every day & everyone.. But they know I've seen them & they know my ex & I remember.

One thing you may find interesting regarding the Hills abduction - is the Zeta Reticuli star map Betty recovered during hypnosis (hypnotic regression which I'm still on the fence about) but this is interesting never-the-less.. Because she accurately depicted a star system that was only discovered years later.. Nothing to see here.. No conspiracy, run along now. You find it yourself.

Why Double Post This???

You Idiot...

I Have Been Joining My Own Dots,
Up On A Zeta Reticula Map.
And Come To This ConClusion,
Of Your Inanity,,,

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/72/zeta2mapqr7.jpg

Peddlar Of Non=Sense!!!

Do Some Basic Research Bud!!!!

[quetzalcoatl]

Why Double Post This???

You Idiot...

I Have Been Joining My Own Dots,
Up On A Zeta Reticula Map.
And Come To This ConClusion,
Of Your Inanity,,,

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/72/zeta2mapqr7.jpg

Peddlar Of Non=Sense!!!

Do Some Basic Research Bud!!!!


HAHA suck it down.. sif I'd feel the need to explain myself to the likes of you. Keep the insults to yourself pal.

[cheeb]

Show Me Evidence Of The Grays,
Pre Barney And Betty Hill Then...

No Villa Boas Please...

:rolleyes:

[quetzalcoatl]

Show Me Evidence Of The Grays,
Pre Barney And Betty Hill Then...

No Villa Boas Please...

:rolleyes:

Never looked into this.. 'Villa Boas' I will soon.. maybe.

Look, I draw from my own experiences (which I trust more than researching anyone else's claims) I'm not trying to influence your own conclusions I'm just sharing what I feel is the truth of this phenomena.

Get your own perspective. :rolleyes:

[cheeb]

In Brazil during the 1950's worldwide "UFO Flap" comes a report of one of the most bizarre accounts on record—the seduction of Antonio Villas Boas. The first recorded incident of a UFO abduction in the modern age happened to the 23 year old Brazilian on October 15, 1957. It also stands as a well documented "physical" case with doctors examining the effects after his encounters.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4570/vilasboas5tific2.jpg

He described her as human in shape with “cat like” blue eyes, light-blonde hair on her head, and bright red pubic and underarm hair. While the case exhibits the same sexual and reproductive anxieties echoed in most modern abductee reports, the Villas Boas case differs from the clinical, modern cases in that, instead of having his sperm mechanically removed by aliens, Villas Boas reported engaging in sexual intercourse with the female. Afterwards the female reportedly rubbed her belly before pointing to the stars, indicating to Villas Boas that the product of their union would be raised in space, and leaving him with an angry feeling of having been used as little more than “a good stallion” for the entities.

Not Exactley Your Gray Wraparound Alien There Is It...????

More Like Your Ayran Nordic Ubermensch...!!!!!

:rolleyes:

[quetzalcoatl]

So the plot thickens does it?.. cos' it's always been thick! :p

It's never been black / white or simply a shade of gray..

Good Luck to ya friend. :)

[cheeb]

So the plot thickens does it?.. cos' it's always been thick! :p

It's never been black / white or simply a shade of gray..

Good Luck to ya friend. :)

It's Hard To Know When Youv'e Been MK'd Innit...

Ritual Magic, Mind Control and the UFO Phenomenon
by, Adam Gorightly

But not only has Sirius cropped up time and again in Occult and UFO lore, but the ubiquitous Dog Star has also been mentioned in relation to certain mind control experiments which fall under the nefarious umbrella of the CIA's MKULTRA project.
Purportedly started in 1953--under a program that was exempt from congressional oversight--MK-ULTRA agents and "spychiatrists" tested radiation, electric shock, microwaves, and electrode implants on unwitting subjects.
The ultimate goal of MK-ULTRA was to create programmed assassins ala The Manchurian Candidate.
(The CIA also tested a wide range of drugs in the prospects of discovering the perfect chemical compound to control minds. LSD was one such drug that deeply interested CIA spychiatrists, so much so that in '53 the Agency attempted to purchase the entire world supply of acid from Sandoz Laboratories in Switzerland.
In fact, for many years the CIA was the principal source for LSD, both legal and otherwise.)

In recent years, various info on remote mind control technology has filtered into the conspiracy research community through such "alternative" publications such as Full Disclosure, Resonance as well as a Finnish gentleman by the name of Martti Koski and his booklet My Life Depends On You.
Over the last decade, Mr. Koski has been sharing his horrifying tale with the mind controlled world at large, documenting as it does the discovery of rampant brain tampering committed upon himself and countless others.
The perpetrators of these evil doings allegedly include the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), The CIA and Finnish Intelligence, among various other intelligence agencies.
Where Sirius comes into the clouded picture is quite interesting: at one point during a mind control programming episode, the "doctors" operating on Koski identified themselves as "aliens from Sirius."
Apparently, these "doctors" (or "spychiatrists") were attempting to plant a screen memory to conceal their true intentions.
What this suggests is a theory that a handful of researchers--namely Martin Cannon, Alex Constantine, David Emory and John Judge--started kicking around in the early 90's: that Alien Abductions were a cover for MK-ULTRA mind control shenanigans perpetrated by Intelligence Agency spooks.

According to Walter Bowart--in the revised edition of Operation Mind Control--one alleged mind control victim related an incident along these lines, purportedly occurring in the late 70's. In memories retrieved by way of hypnotic regression, it was revealed that the victim had been the recipient of a mock alien abduction, the intention of which was to create a screen memory that would conceal the actual mind control programs enacted on the victim.
The subject in this instance claimed to have seen a young child dressed in a small alien costume, similar in appearance to the aliens in Speilberg's ET.
None of this, of course, dismisses outright the ETH; nor does it mean that ET's have never visited us.
Nevertheless, it's implications are staggering when one considers the impact and subsequent commercialization of the Alien Abduction Phenomenon, and how it has challenged and reshaped the belief systems and psyches of millions upon millions of the planet's inhabitants, in essence creating a new paradigm that prior to thirty years ago was virtually non-existent.

As chronicled in Walter Bowart's Operation Mind Control, in the late 70's Congressman Charlie Rose (D-N.C) met with a Canadian inventor who had developed a helmet that simulated alternate states of consciousness and realities, much like the VR eyegear-unit postulated in the movie Brainstorm.
One such virtual reality scenario played out by those who tried on this helmet was a mock alien abduction.
Congressman Rose took part in these experiments, which consisted of aforementioned alien abduction programme.
Much to Rose's amazement, the simulated scenario seemed incredibly realistic.
This device sounds quite similar to Dr. Michael Persinger's much-touted "Magic Helmet", which has been receiving a fair amount of press in recent years. Equipped with magnets that beam a low-level magnetic field at the temporal lobe, the "Helmet" effects areas of brain associated with time distortions, and other altered states of consciousness.
Although Bowart did not specifically name the inventor of the helmet in Operation Mind Control, chances are it was Persinger to whom he was referring.
Persinger's name has also been bandied about by mind control researcher, Martin Cannon--in his treatise The Controllers--as a behind the scenes player in intelligence operations related to MK-ULTRA.

This Gave It Away For Me,
Your Response...

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6074/suckupcw1.gif

what a suckup

quetzalcoatl said.
HAHA suck it down.

:eek:

[quetzalcoatl]

It's Hard To Know When Youv'e Been MK'd Innit...

Ritual Magic, Mind Control and the UFO Phenomenon
by, Adam Gorightly

But not only has Sirius cropped up time and again in Occult and UFO lore, but the ubiquitous Dog Star has also been mentioned in relation to certain mind control experiments which fall under the nefarious umbrella of the CIA's MKULTRA project.
Purportedly started in 1953--under a program that was exempt from congressional oversight--MK-ULTRA agents and "spychiatrists" tested radiation, electric shock, microwaves, and electrode implants on unwitting subjects.
The ultimate goal of MK-ULTRA was to create programmed assassins ala The Manchurian Candidate.
(The CIA also tested a wide range of drugs in the prospects of discovering the perfect chemical compound to control minds. LSD was one such drug that deeply interested CIA spychiatrists, so much so that in '53 the Agency attempted to purchase the entire world supply of acid from Sandoz Laboratories in Switzerland.
In fact, for many years the CIA was the principal source for LSD, both legal and otherwise.)

In recent years, various info on remote mind control technology has filtered into the conspiracy research community through such "alternative" publications such as Full Disclosure, Resonance as well as a Finnish gentleman by the name of Martti Koski and his booklet My Life Depends On You.
Over the last decade, Mr. Koski has been sharing his horrifying tale with the mind controlled world at large, documenting as it does the discovery of rampant brain tampering committed upon himself and countless others.
The perpetrators of these evil doings allegedly include the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), The CIA and Finnish Intelligence, among various other intelligence agencies.
Where Sirius comes into the clouded picture is quite interesting: at one point during a mind control programming episode, the "doctors" operating on Koski identified themselves as "aliens from Sirius."
Apparently, these "doctors" (or "spychiatrists") were attempting to plant a screen memory to conceal their true intentions.
What this suggests is a theory that a handful of researchers--namely Martin Cannon, Alex Constantine, David Emory and John Judge--started kicking around in the early 90's: that Alien Abductions were a cover for MK-ULTRA mind control shenanigans perpetrated by Intelligence Agency spooks.

According to Walter Bowart--in the revised edition of Operation Mind Control--one alleged mind control victim related an incident along these lines, purportedly occurring in the late 70's. In memories retrieved by way of hypnotic regression, it was revealed that the victim had been the recipient of a mock alien abduction, the intention of which was to create a screen memory that would conceal the actual mind control programs enacted on the victim.
The subject in this instance claimed to have seen a young child dressed in a small alien costume, similar in appearance to the aliens in Speilberg's ET.
None of this, of course, dismisses outright the ETH; nor does it mean that ET's have never visited us.
Nevertheless, it's implications are staggering when one considers the impact and subsequent commercialization of the Alien Abduction Phenomenon, and how it has challenged and reshaped the belief systems and psyches of millions upon millions of the planet's inhabitants, in essence creating a new paradigm that prior to thirty years ago was virtually non-existent.

As chronicled in Walter Bowart's Operation Mind Control, in the late 70's Congressman Charlie Rose (D-N.C) met with a Canadian inventor who had developed a helmet that simulated alternate states of consciousness and realities, much like the VR eyegear-unit postulated in the movie Brainstorm.
One such virtual reality scenario played out by those who tried on this helmet was a mock alien abduction.
Congressman Rose took part in these experiments, which consisted of aforementioned alien abduction programme.
Much to Rose's amazement, the simulated scenario seemed incredibly realistic.
This device sounds quite similar to Dr. Michael Persinger's much-touted "Magic Helmet", which has been receiving a fair amount of press in recent years. Equipped with magnets that beam a low-level magnetic field at the temporal lobe, the "Helmet" effects areas of brain associated with time distortions, and other altered states of consciousness.
Although Bowart did not specifically name the inventor of the helmet in Operation Mind Control, chances are it was Persinger to whom he was referring.
Persinger's name has also been bandied about by mind control researcher, Martin Cannon--in his treatise The Controllers--as a behind the scenes player in intelligence operations related to MK-ULTRA.

This Gave It Away For Me,
Your Response...

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6074/suckupcw1.gif

what a suckup



:eek:

Oh well time for a wee bubble then is it? :(

Grow some kahunas ya baby.

Suck it down is in response to your 'dot connecting' ya weird fucker!.. so you dish it out call me an idiot & can't handle it - & your now throwing wot appears to be the UK-Ultra mind fuck @ me.

I'll read your article later - Even tho' I feel your wasting my time - Time I dun have just now.

I do understand you angle regarding the abduction phenomena.. Possibly being influenced by media & TV etc.. I just beg to differ - Why is it so hard to accept? or let me my theories in peace? :p

[cheeb]

Oh well time for a wee bubble then is it? :(

Grow some kahunas ya baby.

Suck it down is in response to your 'dot connecting' ya weird fucker!.. so you dish it out call me an idiot & can't handle it - & your now throwing wot appears to be the UK-Ultra mind fuck @ me.

I'll read your article later - Even tho' I feel your wasting my time - Time I dun have just now.

I do understand you angle regarding the abduction phenomena.. Possibly being influenced by media & TV etc.. I just beg to differ - Why is it so hard to accept? or let me my theories in peace? :p

THE SINISTER WORLD OF "SPY-CHIATRISTS"
Another nail in the coffin of the gray alien syndrome is added by Martin Cannon in a manuscript entitled The Controllers: A New Hypothesis of Alien Abductions, in which the author asks some pretty basic questions that seem to be conveniently overlooked by the abduction proponents. Firstly, "How do we know that the abductors are alien at all? And if the abductees are placed under some kind of mind control through implanted memory as claimed by Budd Hopkins and others: How can we trust the perceptions of someone whose perceptions have been altered? What if the kidnappers were actually human beings, using advanced hypnotic techniques to create the 'alien' screen memory?" Cannon doesn't question the validity of the abductee experience, but rather he seeks to unravel the deeper layers of the mystery from a pragmatic and definitely Earth-oriented approach. With a formidable list of resource references he puts forward his case that the claimed UFO abductions might well be a continuation of clandestine mind control operations including hypnosis, drugs, psychological conditioning, microwaves, brain implants and even more disturbing technologies. Having spent a great deal of time reading, researching, contacting other researchers and conducting interviews, Cannon has come up with shocking evidence of the sinister and covert world of the "spy-chiatrists" who have been experimenting with mind control technologies for decades.

He says: "If my hypothesis proves true, then we must accept the following: The kidnapping is real. The fear is real. The pain is real. The instructions are real. But the little grey men from Zeti Reticuli are not real; they are constructs, Halloween masks meant to disguise the real faces of the controllers."

And who are the controllers?

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"Substantial evidence exists linking members of this country's intelligence community, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and the Office of Naval Intelligence, with the esoteric technology of mind control."

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He traces clandestine behavioural research going back to World War II with the developing tools of hypnosis, truth drugs and a pharmacology of chemicals. After the war the Navy continued this research, then in 1950 the CIA began its own mind control program with Project BLUEBIRD, which became ARTICHOKE and later MKULTRA, regarded by some as the most heinous of all the CIA's disreputable covert operations — with its most secret area of study being psychoelectronics. That these programs existed is an established fact, as the author states "...the existence of mind control was verified in two (heavily compromised) congressional investigations and in thousands of FOIA documents."

For those who doubt the power of mind control over unsuspecting victims, he includes this anecdote about a MKULTRA veteran and author on warfare hypnosis George Estabrooks, who "once amused himself during a party by covertly hypnotizing two friends, who were led to believe that the Prime Minister of England had just arrived; Estabrook's victims spent an hour conversing with, and even serving drinks, to the esteemed visitor." As Cannon asks "If the Mesmeric arts can successfully evoke a non-existent Prime Minister, why can't a representative from the Pleiades be similarly induced?"

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As far back as the 60s, he states, and possibly earlier, scientists have had the means to create implants similar to those claimed by abductees. Around the late 50s a neuroscientist named Jose Delgado invented a device known as a "stimoceiver" — a miniature depth electrode which can receive and transmit electronic signals over FM radio waves. With this the controller can wield a surprising degree of control over the response of the subject, playing the emotions electronically "as easily as a musical instrument." Delgado stated quite clearly in 1966 that "motion, emotion and behaviour can be directed by electrical forces and that humans can be controlled like robots by push buttons."

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Other researchers have induced memory, sexual arousal, fear, pleasure and hallucinations in their subjects, and devices have been created for tracking people over long distances, leading to "electronic house arrest" devices approved by the courts. (Mind machines of a supposedly more innocent nature have also become commonly used in New Age circles, such as the Synchro-energizer, TENS machine etc.) The early implants were soon replaced by tiny miniaturized intracranial receivers, which in turn have been superseded by microwaves and other forms of electromagnetic radiation to elicit mind control. How far the technology has progressed is hard to monitor, Cannon admits, as the press stopped reporting on brain implantation in the early 70s, but journalists have asserted that the CIA now has mastered "Radio Hypnotic Intracerebral Control" and "Electronic Dissolution of Memory" — being able to induce hypnotic trance, give suggestions, and erase memory ("missing time" is a common claim of abductees), all at a distance and "triggered at will by radio transmission" surpassing even the sophisticated horror of The Manchurian Candidate. Intramuscular implants have also been developed with the small resultant scars reminiscent of abductee reports. Perhaps the most ominous proposals for mind-management, says the author, come from people like Joseph A Meyer of the National Security Agency who proposed implanting tens of millions of "subscribers", as Meyers put it, (about half of all Americans arrested) who could be under constant computer surveillance wherever they went. As this frugal fellow stated, "implants are cheaper and more efficient than the police." And the operation can be done right in the office taking less than 20 minutes, as a Florida doctor brags, who also suggests implanting children with transmitters for constant monitoring for their own safety! With such sophisticated techniques at their disposal Cannon asks the key question: Why are 'advanced aliens' using old Earth technology?

It all sounds very fishy and yet the lure of the little gray alien has been swallowed by otherwise intelligent people, hook, line and sinker. "Perhaps," says Cannon, "one purpose of the UFO abductions is to engender and maintain the legend of the little gray aliens. For the hidden manipulators, the abductions could be, in and of themselves, a propaganda coup." (It may be mere coincidence but "ex"-intelligence agents are very prominent in such highly sophisticated disinformation schemes as the 'cosmic conspiracy', the UFO and alien abduction plot, e.g. John Lear, William Cooper, Bob Lazar, etc — although on a recent radio show both Lear and Cooper were both heard back-peddling on the alien angle of the conspiracy caper). But for what purpose? One chilling possibility put forth by Cannon concerns "the disposal problem" of the mind-control experiments, or "What do we do with the victims?" Another possibility is to prepare earthlings for a simulated alien invasion which could bring into effect an international state of emergency — remember the film The Day The Earth Stood Still?

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So we have two diametrically opposed stories — UFOs manned by "advanced" aliens cloaking themselves as helicopters — or — military helicopters cleverly disguised as UFOs. What would you believe?

WHO CONTROLS THE CONTROLLERS?
While Pontolillo and Cannon present enough evidence between them from a psychoanalytical and physical standpoint to deflate the gray alien bubble, there still remains a nagging feeling that something strange is going on.

One of the major influences on this occult revival were the prolific writings of the English magician Aleister Crowley, who was instrumental in merging the occult knowledge of the orient with the western mystery tradition, and who could be called one of the first contactees — in particular a book transmitted by a 'trans-mundane' intelligence called Aiwass in Cairo in 1904. Several years later in America Crowley made contact with another extraterrestrial entity called Lam and the reason I mention this is because a portrait drawn by Crowley of this entity bears a startling resemblance to the modern 'gray alien.'

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In recent years others have also made contact with this entity which is regarded by the respected occultist and contemporary author Kenneth Grant, as a potent "Gateway to other dimensions, other worlds or aethyrs." And, he says, this image of Lam is "fast becoming a focus for those interested in the occult implications of 'Ufology' and intradimensional psionics."

[tits mcgee]

Crowley desribed Aiwas as black as coal, not grey.

Maybe these entities appear to us as we expect them to.

If you're Christian you see Jesus or Mary, people who expect to see Greys see Greys etc...

[cheeb]

Crowley desribed Aiwas as black as coal, not grey.

Maybe these entities appear to us as we expect them to.

If you're Christian you see Jesus or Mary, people who expect to see Greys see Greys etc...

Why Would People Expect To See Grays,
Unless That Idea Hadn't Been Implanted Into Them In The First Place...

Similarly,
The Same Can Be Applied To
Mary,
Jesus,
Mohammed,

Or A Host Of Other Dietys...

Project Bluebeam Innit....

:rolleyes:

[tits mcgee]

Why Would People Expect To See Grays,
Unless That Idea Hadn't Been Implanted Into Them In The First Place...

Similarly,
The Same Can Be Applied To
Mary,
Jesus,
Mohammed,

Or A Host Of Other Dietys...

Project Bluebeam Innit....

:rolleyes:

I don't know what it is and neither do you no matter how large you post the words in your replies...we're making assumptions on the availible information. Grays are the accepted idea of what an alien looks like now because of popular culture, 500 years ago it was fairies and gnomes that we expected to see so we saw them as such.

Why put the little blue eye rolling sarcasm emoticon at the bottom of your post? can't you have an open discourse with others without trying to hammer your opinion home as the only valid one?

[cheeb]

I don't know what it is and neither do you no matter how large you post the words in your replies...we're making assumptions on the availible information. Grays are the accepted idea of what an alien looks like now because of popular culture, 500 years ago it was fairies and gnomes that we expected to see so we saw them as such.

Why put the little blue eye rolling sarcasm emoticon at the bottom of your post? can't you have an open discourse with others without trying to hammer your opinion home as the only valid one?

Stick To The Point Bud,
Did You Not Read my Post:
But not only has Sirius cropped up time and again in Occult and UFO lore, but the ubiquitous Dog Star has also been mentioned in relation to certain mind control experiments which fall under the nefarious umbrella of the CIA's MKULTRA project.

Substitute Sirius,
With Your Choice Of Alien Origination,
Zeta Reticuli,
Beetlegeuse,
Or Stay Closer To Home,
Annuki,
Nephalin,
Atlantean Adepts ,
Or Whomever,
And
Hey Presto

Mind Control..!!!!!

There's Your Answer.....

Hey If Your Up For It,
I Could Introduce You To My Mate Xenu...:eek:

Cash Upfront Of Course $$$$$$$$$$$$$

:rolleyes:

[darketernal]

Cheeb your ability to change the size of your bold text from line to line and insert pretty colors on your key phrases is amazing and in fact is strangly making me feel an urge to believe you. Your mastery of text mind control technique is very strong. :rolleyes:

[cheeb]

No Discussion Of The Topic Then,
Evidence Of Grays Before Barney And Betty Hill,
Came On The Scene......

Let Me Give You A Clue:

Airship Flap Of 1896......

:eek:

[quetzalcoatl]

Okay, good info Cheeb. But, all this shites nothing neo..

Totally open to the idea that there are in-fact intelligence operations that manipulate people in order to cause something similar to the abduction phenomena. But, I really think this cannot totally bunk all experiences. For instance :- even though it's probable that high intelligence - maybe even CIA - have assess to highly advanced 'off-world' technology.. I just can't accept they're responsible for all sightings/close-encounters. & they may indeed have the wares to implant without causing scar tissue or they may-not.. I just think there's still a reality 'out there' that far supersedes that of which our intelligence community has access to, even @ the highest levels - That's not to say that 'alien beings' haven't infiltrated these organizations & are in-fact one & the same @ the higher echelons of whatever such agencies.

So gray extra-dimensional/terrestrial beings or spooks in gray suits or even remotely causing false memories.. For whatever motive? - Whatever the truth is I'm sure they're up-to same bad business. & also, I'm pretty sure the majority don't go around expecting grays or hoping for contact/mind fuck when they tuck up to sleep - some perhaps - & I'd offer a cautionary warning of careful what you wish for.

Cheeb, what do you think about the reptilian theory? Is this more CIA - they're all out to get us - covert ops stuff? - I wana hear from Cheeb this time.. not a link to someone else's theorems. :)

[cheeb]

I'm Not A Fan Of It Myself,
But I Have Taken Enough Acid Hits,
To Know That When You Are In :
For Want Of A Better Word,
"A Hyper-Dimensional" State,
That All Sorts Of Critters Can Come In,
Including Shapeshifting Reptiles,
Gnomic Figures,
Aliens!!!
Elemental Spirits,
Captain Howdys...
And Uncle Tom Cobbleys And All.....

Do I Beleive They Exist Outside "Super-Consciousness."..???

No, Not At All.......

If I Want To Summon Them Though,
I'll Drop Some Acid,
And Bring Them Here..!!!!

:eek:

[xxdinoxkarenxx]

Who knows what they are, your guess is as good as any.

Possibly they're a genetic experiment created by the shadow government to make people believe in ET's and fear them. Leading up to a fake alien invasion in 2012 which will usher in the new world order.

Possibly they're humans from the distant future or an alternate timeline, so far into the future that they're unrecognizable as humans. They've come back to gather genetic samples because the future human race is on the verge of extinction due to genetic defects or some future disease or epidemic that's messed with our ability to procreate.

Possibly they're native to Earth but live inside the planet which would explain their huge eyes and withered bodies.

Possibly they're like galactic nannies, created by a higher power to propergate the universe with life and maintain it, maybe they take our genetic samples and propergate life on other planets in the galaxy...maybe earth is just one planet amongst millions on which human beings just like us are living...like a galactic nursery with the Greys working for our creators like Umpa Lumpa's work for Willi Wonka.

Possibly they're from an alternate reality, another dimension close to our own and they've learned how to change their vibrational frequency and slip into other dimensions including our own.

Or possibly they're a combination of a number of different theories that I've put foward here...my head hurts thinking of the possibilities.
One of your theorys kind of sounds like a movie I was wacthing today..... its called the last mimsy

[romas]

I'd stay clear off movies, you're not going to get truth televized for the masses just like that. Whenever people talk how Spieblerg "was trying to imply" something with his latest movie, on shows like Coast to coast can't help but cringe.

[quetzalcoatl]

I'd stay clear off movies, you're not going to get truth televized for the masses just like that. Whenever people talk how Spieblerg "was trying to imply" something with his latest movie, on shows like Coast to coast can't help but cringe.

That's wot they want ya to believe! The truths everywhere.. (well pieces of it) it's 'hidden' in plain site.

De'ja vu'? :cool:

[romas]

That's wot they want ya to believe! The truths everywhere.. (well pieces of it) it's 'hidden' in plain site.

De'ja vu'? :cool:


Yep that's why you can't take thing as they literally as they are shown. You have to decode it into a puzzle and then use peaces from all over to solve it.

PS: Just a thought, maybe it's their way to convert everyone into occultism? Atleast the ones who are "awakening" they will dig up occultism info and digest it, in a way they will be fimiliar with occult and one might say now they are occultists?

There is this guy here on forum, Eternal_spirit he is very much against occult, so much as now he has Crowleys quotes all over his signature, he knows alot it seems about the whole deal now, soon he will probably have an apropreate avatar to :D

[quetzalcoatl]

I'm Not A Fan Of It Myself,
But I Have Taken Enough Acid Hits,
To Know That When You Are In :
For Want Of A Better Word,
"A Hyper-Dimensional" State,
That All Sorts Of Critters Can Come In,
Including Shapeshifting Reptiles,
Gnomic Figures,
Aliens!!!
Elemental Spirits,
Captain Howdys...
And Uncle Tom Cobbleys And All.....

Do I Beleive They Exist Outside "Super-Consciousness."..???

No, Not At All.......

If I Want To Summon Them Though,
I'll Drop Some Acid,
And Bring Them Here..!!!!

:eek:

Alllllrighty then.

I'll say it again.. You ARE Short-Changing Yourself!

If that's wot ya really think.. Then, I guess your government has an answer for everything ay? LOL :D

It's really not that simple..

Good luck to ya, you'll need it.

[quetzalcoatl]

Yep that's why you can't take thing as they literally as they are shown. You have to decode it into a puzzle and then use peaces from all over to solve it.


Yeah, that's it man.

I've made bold a key here.

:)

[cheeb]

Alllllrighty then.

I'll say it again.. You ARE Short-Changing Yourself!

If that's wot ya really think.. Then, I guess your government has an answer for everything ay? LOL :D

It's really not that simple..

Good luck to ya, you'll need it.

My Government,
Whatchoogoingonabout......

By The Way:

Signs and Symbols control the world, not Phrases and Laws.
Confucius - 550 BC

Because it is sometimes so un-believable; The Truth escapes becoming Known.
Heracleitus - 500 BC

You Are 2,500 Years,
Out Of Synch...!!!

:eek:

[quetzalcoatl]

My Government,
Whatchoogoingonabout......

Oh Dear.. it was probably an in-direct accusation or something? :rolleyes:

You Are 2,500 Years,
Out Of Synch...!!!

Tis jus a fuckin sig man.. pull yourself together.

[cheeb]

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Oh Dear.. it was probably an in-direct accusation or something? :rolleyes:

[B][SIZE="6"]

Tis jus a fuckin sig man.. pull yourself together.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2033/smileyofftopichg3.gif

:rolleyes:

[quetzalcoatl]

Okay then.

[kha zarr]

Hm,

I have a different theory. Somewhat. I respect the other opinions on it, because its the kind of thing thats 'different' and a bit harder to wrap one's head around. My idea really is a bit of a 'occam's razor' approach and might not be agreed with, which is fine. I have no proof whatsoever, just an idea.

Maybe there really are Grays who live on other, physical, 3d planets just like this, reps too, lots others also - and none of them are any more in 'control' of the universe, than anyone else on our 'level' of existence. I mean, its not like they're gods, right? maybe they have way more technology, or some more technology, but its also not like we never developed our own ancient societies too right, and somehow 'we' aren't authentic since we were 'created' by aliens....wheres proof of this - that is undeniable??

Maybe they are way more like us then we care to admit...including our negative qualities ...... humanoids of a feather? Maybe thats premature, idk. Hard to explain, I mean, do we really know who we ourselves are, then maybe we'll know more about others, all the more important if they are not from here ie earth, or whatever appropriate alternate dimension we hang out on that they might 'use' like in monsters inc.

Oh yea, has anyone caught the House episode of the boy who thought he was abducted and sthg w/metal in his brain? But it was another consciousness from an abnormal cell division while his mother was pregnant w/him, it survived into his boyhood, causing him these apparitions of being abducted by Grays? Was on few weeks ago....I literally never watch tv much, happened to turn it on for this show....anyway.

It sounds like lots of guessing. Clearly theres something. But what really?

[darketernal]

Hm,

I have a different theory. Somewhat. I respect the other opinions on it, because its the kind of thing thats 'different' and a bit harder to wrap one's head around. My idea really is a bit of a 'occam's razor' approach and might not be agreed with, which is fine. I have no proof whatsoever, just an idea.

Maybe there really are Grays who live on other, physical, 3d planets just like this, reps too, lots others also - and none of them are any more in 'control' of the universe, than anyone else on our 'level' of existence. I mean, its not like they're gods, right? maybe they have way more technology, or some more technology, but its also not like we never developed our own ancient societies too right, and somehow 'we' aren't authentic since we were 'created' by aliens....wheres proof of this - that is undeniable??

Maybe they are way more like us then we care to admit...including our negative qualities ...... humanoids of a feather? Maybe thats premature, idk. Hard to explain, I mean, do we really know who we ourselves are, then maybe we'll know more about others, all the more important if they are not from here ie earth, or whatever appropriate alternate dimension we hang out on that they might 'use' like in monsters inc.

Oh yea, has anyone caught the House episode of the boy who thought he was abducted and sthg w/metal in his brain? But it was another consciousness from an abnormal cell division while his mother was pregnant w/him, it survived into his boyhood, causing him these apparitions of being abducted by Grays? Was on few weeks ago....I literally never watch tv much, happened to turn it on for this show....other symbolism....stargate sg1 season 10, thor and asgards 'dying race' thing...hmm what else can't think of it at the moment thats it i guess.

It sounds like lots of guessing. Clearly theres something. But what really?

Your theory is not so different from what I have said about the reptilians, other than your belief they originate on another planet. They are positive and negative, like people, however they maintain control because they are more technologically advanced, and set up the system we have. Of course they are not gods in the traditional sense, but are gods just as humans are when they do not give up their power... they have however been playing god, and have convinced humanity, as their livestock, that it is something less than it is.

[cheeb]

Funny How A Lot Of These Theories,
About What The Gray Aliens Are,
Seem To Manifest Themselves In T.V. Programmes,
That Just Happen To Be On...

As I Stated Earlier,
In The Barney Hill Experience..

The Outer Limits Episode...:

The Bellero Sheild....

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Randle points out that neither of the Hills claimed to be science fiction fans and said that they were only dimly aware of the Twilight Zone series. Of course they could have seen one of the shows, or even a network promo with the alien masks. The point is that these images could have influenced their recollections, and therefore the (often) hypnotically recalled memories of many other abductions. This could have happened on a subconscious, and even a collective unconscious level. This is something that many abduction researchers apparently choose to ignore

What A Bunch Of Losers You Alien Lovers Are....

Not To See Behind That Psychological Trap,

Even Though You Notice It,
Straight Away As A Metaphor....

Pratts!!!

Mk Ultra Is To Good For Ya.!!!

T.V. Is Easier.....

:eek:

[romas]

Aliens Are
T.V. Programmes,

As I Stated Earlier,

neither of the Hills claimed to be science fiction
Of course they could have seen one of the shows
these images could have influenced their recollections
This could have happened on a subconscious, and even a collective unconscious level.

What A Bunch Of Losers You Alien Lovers Are.

Mk Ultra Is To Good For Ya.!!!

T.V. Is Easier





I've cleaned up your post a little :p

[quetzalcoatl]

:eek:

[cheeb]

I've cleaned up your post a little :p
Aliens Are
T.V. Programmes,

Now That Is Where I Was Heading...

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Reaction to the Travis Walton Story

Walton’s story immediately attracted a lot of media attention. Large sums of money were handed over to the Waltons for story rights. Almost from the beginning, however, there were those who felt that the story didn’t quite hang together. For one thing, Travis Walton was subjected to a polygraph test and failed it abysmally. Later, other polygraph tests were adminstered to both Walton and his fellow lumberjacks and, though their results were less clearcut, they still failed to provide strong corroboration of the men’s story.

Walton also sowed doubts about his honesty when he declared he had no prior interest in UFOs. The record showed, however, that he and his brother had shown an almost lifelong interest in the subject. Together they had filed UFO reports almost fifteen times.

Sceptics suggested the Waltons were in it for the money. Or that, because his lumberjack crew was behind on a contract from the forest department, they invented the UFO story as a way to explain their lateness. They also noted that a film depicting the Betty and Barney Hill alien abduction case had been shown on television only a few weeks before Walton disappeared, implying that the film might have planted the idea in the men’s minds.

Walton Was A Logger,
And I Have Been Trying To Find An Article By UFO Researcher Jenny Randalls,
In Which She Says:

The Place Where Travis Was "Abducted" From,
Was A Small Ridge called
"Beleive It Or Not"
Bettyhill.......

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3757/waltonpx2.gif

She Also Points Out,
Similarities About Another Logging Family,
And Their Experiences On A Mountain..

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The Waltons...

Now To Me This Looks Like Classic
M.K.Ultra
Brainwashing Techniques..

To Reinforce The Idea Of Alien Abduction,
Into The Collective Psyche.....

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6274/hypnotoader2.gif

For Those Interested In The "Walton" Case
Here Is A Condensed Version,
From Travis Walton Himself..
"An Ordinary Day"

http://www.travis-walton.com/ordinary.html

:eek:

[geewhizz]

Chris wrote This is just another look at the "Greys"...

Perhaps the Greys are actually represenations of the Neo-Cortex braincells. They are grey because this is this is the colour of our "Grey matter" otherwise known as brain. They are robotic because our brains don't feel emotion but are rather instruments of intellect to be ruled by our heart.

Seeing as most people to witness the Greys have been during sleep or an unconscious state then a possibility that the Greys could be more of an internal thing rather than external. They have high technology because the neo-cortex is very advanced whereas the reptilian and mamalian brains are very ancient.

Very good theory. However, the one i have seen personally was of the purist White and not Grey. It was internally lit also.

Yes it was on awakening from sleep (the god dammned thing woke me up) and I would personally say it was interdimensional and not a Physical being.

They are interdimensional thought forms no different from the incubus and succubus of old.

What bothers me about the Fire in the sky story AND Communion (Strieber) story is that they both show the typical alien grey face as a 'mask'. the one in communion looks very reptillian underneath.

[cheeb]

What bothers me about the Fire in the sky story AND Communion (Strieber) story is that they both show the typical alien grey face as a 'mask'. the one in communion looks very reptillian underneath.

Whitley Streiber..
He Is Quite Instrumental In Getting The Archetype Of The "Gray"
Into Mass Circulation..:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/204/communionbookcoverep0.jpg

Take A Look At This Shady Charicter...
West, Louis Jolyon "Joly" Scientific Advisory Board

Shortly after he had entered University of Wisconsin, he enlisted in the U.S. Army.
In the Army Specialized Training Program he studied at the University of Iowa and the University of Minnesota School of Medicine from which he graduated in 1948.
During his internship at the Payne Whitney Psychiatric Clinic he became familiar with Scientology, a cult he soon considered dangerous.
Transferred to the U.S. Air Force Medical Corps and five years later he was appointed Chief of Psychiatry Service at the Lackland Air Force Base, San Antonio, Texas.
In this position he studied U.S. pilots and veterans after they had experienced torture and brainwashing. Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of California in Los Angeles and director of its Neuropsychiatric Institute.

Whitley Strieber was born in San Antonio, Texas( June 13, 1945)

West had been appointed Chief Psychiatrist at Lackland Airforce Base in San Antonio.
Within a few years, a young boy in that city would begin having a series of bizarre, hallucinatory experiences in a park not ten miles from Lackland.
The experiences would profoundly shape his life. And he, in turn, would profoundly shape American culture with the book which sealed the deal on the birth of a new archetype…the “grey” alien.

His name was Whitley Strieber,

West Was Also Involved With This Murky Lot:
Alleged persons he treated: Charles Manson, Sirhan-Sirhan, and later David Koresh.
January 7, 1999, Reuters: "After examining [Jack] Ruby, the killer of President John F. Kennedy's assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, West concluded Ruby was suffering from 'major mental illness precipitated by the stress of (his) trial.''' Member of the White House Conference on Civil Rights in 1966.
For many years he fought for the abolishment of the death penalty.
Member of the Scientific Advisory Board of the FMS Foundation (as reported in the FMS Foundation Newsletter, Vol 4, No. 8, September 1, 1995).
Dr. Colin Ross, who received many FOIA documents pertaining to US government mind control research: "Started off as a Top Secret official for the Air Force who interviewed the American pilots who came back from Korea having been captured and brainwashed by the Communist Chinese.
Joly West and Margaret Singer worked for Air Force Intelligence talking to those downed American pilots who were actually DDNOS level Manchurian Candidates.
Director the Cult Awareness Network... funded under MKULTRA to study the psychobiology of dissociation.

He will probably go down in history as the only person to kill an elephant at Oklahoma City Zoo with LSD...

Joly West was the expert witness in the trial for Patty Hearst. Who were the expert witnesses called to explain to the jury that Patty Hearst was actually a victim of coercive persuasion, mind control and brainwashing ... Joly West, Margaret Singer, Robert Lifton and Martin Orne.
So what did Joly West have to do with Vacaville? Joly West was Head of the UCLA Violence Project which was approved by Ronald Reagan when he was Governor of California, then shut down by public protest.
It was spearheaded by a number of people including some people who were very interested in the history of CIA military mind control, and have written books about it.
Well the UCLA Violence Project you are going to see in subsequent slides... [Joly was a] CIA and military contractor, and an expert on multiple personality and other things... he actually mentions multiple personality in his CIA proposal.
He tried to set up this UCLA violence centre that was going to be funded by Ronald Reagan and Frank Irvine from the Harvard brain electrode implant team was going to come.
One of the things that was going to be done at the UCLA violence project and also at Vaccaville State Prison under a separate administrative structure, but which got shut down by public protest, was that they were going to implant brain electrodes in violent sex offenders..."


Looks Like A Plot Thickener Too Me..!!!!

[quetzalcoatl]

Ahh.. Communion - This movie was my first exposure to this 'Mind-Control'.. & I remember to this day having a sickening feeling of terror like I'd seen it all before.

Still the subject didn't reel me in then - being in mid-teens.

I'm open to every & all possibilities.

:)

[cheeb]

Whitley Streiber Therefore MK-Ultra Black Ops
Are Responsable For A Lot Of The Current Zeitgeist..

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7114/streiber3gn1.jpg

Which Was Made Into This Film

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An Advert For Global Eco Catastrophies..???
And..

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His latest novel, which revolves around an upcoming date when the earth crosses both the galactic equator and the solar ecliptic—a time that the Maya predicted would mark the cataclysmic end of this age

In it he basically describes what will really happen in 2012 - a race of Draconians invading the earth and...for lack of a better term...destroying our souls. He says that the Dracos have the technology to separate the soul from the body and destroy it if they wish so that we have no chance for life after death.

An Alien Invasion Scenario In 2012..

[quetzalcoatl]

Read 2012 recently. Twas quite entertaining.

Just maybe aspects of it aren't in the realms of the impossible either - if there is such a place.

Good Stuff Cheeb. :)

[cheeb]

Read 2012 recently. Twas quite entertaining.

Just maybe aspects of it aren't in the realms of the impossible either - if there is such a place.

Good Stuff Cheeb. :)

This Might Be Of Some Interest To You Then:

Project Bluebeam

COSMIC DECEPTION: LET THE CITIZEN BEWARE by Dr. Steven Greer

[SNIP]

As immense as that game is, there is a bigger one: Control through fear. As Wernher von Braun related to Dr. Carol Rosin, his spokesperson for the last 4 years of his life, a maniacal machine - the military, industrial, intelligence, laboratory complex - would go from Cold War, to Rogue Nations, to Global Terrorism (the stage we find ourselves at today), to the ultimate trump card: A hoaxed threat from space.

To justify eventually spending trillions of dollars on space weapons, the world would be deceived about a threat from outer space, thus uniting the world in fear, in militarism, and in war.

Since 1992 I have seen this script unveiled to me by at least a dozen well-placed insiders. Of course, initially I laughed, thinking this just too absurd and far-fetched. Dr. Rosin gave her testimony to the Disclosure Project before 9/11. And yet others told me explicitly that things that looked like UFOs but that are built and under the control of deeply secretive 'black' projects, were being used to simulate - hoax - ET-appearing events, including some abductions and cattle mutilations, to sow the early seeds of cultural fear regarding life in outer space. And that at some point after global terrorism, events would unfold that would utilize the now-revealed Alien Reproduction Vehicles (ARVs, or reversed-engineered UFOs made by humans by studying actual ET craft - see the book "Disclosure" by the same author) to hoax an attack on Earth.

Like the movie "Independence Day", an attempt to unite the world through militarism would unfold using ET as the new cosmic scapegoat (think Jews during the Third Reich).

None of this is new to me or other insiders. The report from Iron Mountain, NY, written in the 1960s, described the need to demonize life in outer space so we could have a new enemy. An enemy off-planet that could unite humans (in fear and war) and that would prove to be the ultimate prop for the trillion dollar military industrial complex that conservative Republican President and five star general Eisenhower warned us about in 1961 (no one was listening then, either...).

So here is the post-9/11 script - one that will be played out unless enough people are informed and the plan can be foiled because they will be unable to fool a sufficient number of citizens and leaders:

After a period of terrorism - a period during which the detonation of nuclear devices will be threatened and possibly actuated, thus justifying expanding the weaponization of space - an effort will ramp up to present the public with information about a threat from outer space. Not just asteroids hitting the Earth, but other threats. An extraterrestrial threat.

Over the past 40 years, UFOlogy, as it is called, combined with a mighty media machine, has increasingly demonized ETs via fearsome movies like "Independence Day", and pseudo-science that presents alien kidnappings and abuse as a fact (in some circles) of modern life. That some humans have had contact with ETs I have no doubt; that the real ET contact has been subsumed in an ocean of hoaxed accounts I am certain.

That is, real ET events are seldom reported out to the public. The Machine ensures that the hoaxed, frightening and intrinsically xenophobic accounts are the ones seen and read by millions. This mental conditioning to fear ET has been subtly reinforced for decades, in preparation for future deceptions. Deceptions that will make 9/11 look trivial.

I write this now because I have recently been contacted by several highly placed media and intelligence sources that have made it clear to me that hoaxed events and story-lines are imminent that will attempt to further ramp up the fear machine regarding UFOs and ETs. After all, to have an enemy, you must make the people hate and fear a person, a group of people, or in this case an entire category of beings.

To be clear: the maniacal covert programs controlling UFO secrecy, ARVs and related technologies - including those technologies that can simulate ET events, ET abductions and the like - plan to hijack Disclosure, spin it into the fire of fear, and roll out events that will eventually present ETs as a new enemy. Do not be deceived.

This hogwash, already the stuff of countless books, videos, movies, documentaries and the like, will attempt to glom onto the facts, evidence and first-hand insider testimony of The Disclosure Project, and on its coattails, deliver to the world the cosmic deception that falsely portrays ETs as a threat from space. Do not be deceived.

By commingling fact with fiction, and by hoaxing UFO events that can look terrifying, the Plan is to eventually create a new, sustainable, off-planet enemy. And who will be the wiser?

You will. Because now you know that after 60 years, trillions of dollars and the best scientific minds in the world pressed into action, a secretive, shadowy group - a government within the government and at once fully outside the government as we know it - has mastered the technologies, the art of deception, and the capability to launch an attack on Earth and make it look like ETs did it. In 1997, I brought a man to Washington to brief members of Congress and others about this plan. Our entire team at the time met this man. He had been present at planning sessions when ARVs - things built by Lockheed, Northrup, et al, and housed in secretive locations around the world - would be used to simulate an attack on certain assets, making leaders and citizens alike believe that there was a threat from space, when there is none. (Before he could testify, his handlers spirited him away to a secret location in Virginia until the briefing was over...) Sound familiar? Wernher von Braun warned of such a hoax, as a pretext
for putting war in space. And many others have warned of the same.

Space based weapons are already in place - part of a secret parallel space program that has been operating since the 1960s. ARVs are built and ready to go (see the book "Disclosure" and the chapter with the testimony of Mark McCandlish, et al). Space holographic deception technologies are in place, tested and ready to fire. And the Big Media is a pawn, now taking dictation from the right hand of the king.

I know this all sounds like science fiction. Absurd. Impossible. Just like 9/11 would have sounded before 9/11. But the unthinkable happened and may happen again, unless we are vigilant.

Combine all of this with the current atmosphere of fear and manipulation and there is a real risk of suspending our collective judgment and our constitution.

But know this: If there was a threat from outer space, we would have known about it as soon as humans started exploding nuclear weapons and going into space with manned travel. That we are still breathing the free air of Earth, given the galacticly stupid and reckless actions of an out of control, illegal, secret group, is abundant testimony to the restraint and peaceful intentions of these visitors. The threat is wholly human. And it is we who must address this threat, rein it in and transform the current situation of war, destruction and secret manipulation to one of true Disclosure and an era of sustained peace.

War in space, to replace war on Earth, is not evolution, but cosmic madness. A world thus united in fear is worse than one divided by ignorance. It is now time for the great leap into the future, a leap that moves us out of fear and ignorance and into an unbroken era of universal peace. Know that this is our destiny. And it will be ours just as soon as we choose it.

Steven M. Greer M.D. Director, The Disclosure Project Albemarle County, Virginia June, 2002

http://www.disclosureproject.org/cosmicdeception.htm

:)

[geewhizz]

Yes I agree that Whitley is a victim (and a perpetrator) of mind control and I wouldn't trust this guy as far as I could throw him.

The one thing that many many people have missed in Communion (also shown in the film) is the 'Flying Robot in the little Hat with a swirly bullseye on his chest'
Weird....hmmm blatant trigger.

This trigger as been around since the mid 1940s but ive tracked it down also from someone on a message board...

In 1959, my twin brother and I were awoken by a robot that looked almost exactly the same as the one described by Whitley in "Communion." It flew into our room. It came right up to me, into my face! It had round, bulging eyes and that funny little hat. Something flew out of its mouth with a scary "boinging" noise, followed by some sort of hissing gas. The next thing I knew, I was floating up to the ceiling in a golden light, and my brother was screaming and running towards my bed. Then everything blacks out after that. On different occasions, we both have clear memories of being floated down the stairs (after my younger sister was born and moved into that room and we moved upstairs) in the same golden light). I was TERRIFIED of Casper the Ghost and skeltons around that time. I also had many probable abductions around the age of nine. My brother, sister, and mother have seen UFOs, and my younger sister has had a "disappearing" pregnancy that she refuses to go into detail about. Lots of weird stuff that even involves my Dad, who WILL NOT DISCUSS HIS CHILDHOOD, except to say that "he was afraid to go to sleep at night because he would float away." My older sister had a spontaneous memory of being abducted by tall Grays while being put under for foot surgery.

BLATANT mind control weapon, ive even heard the Robot wears a 'mexican Hat with a stick on Mustouche!!'.....

AVOID this crap like the Plague.

[noobcybot]

Hey Cheeb, I notice you mentioned a collective consciousness. Do you not think that the existance of such could mean that greys could indeed be on earth by way of manifestation of this?
What do you think of the spiritual side of what Icke puts forward and have you experienced anything paranormal?

[cheeb]

Yes I agree that Whitley is a victim (and a perpetrator) of mind control and I wouldn't trust this guy as far as I could throw him.

The one thing that many many people have missed in Communion (also shown in the film) is the 'Flying Robot in the little Hat with a swirly bullseye on his chest'
Weird....hmmm blatant trigger.

This trigger as been around since the mid 1940s but ive tracked it down also from someone on a message board...



BLATANT mind control weapon, ive even heard the Robot wears a 'mexican Hat with a stick on Mustouche!!'.....

AVOID this crap like the Plague.

There Is A Similar Thread To This About Travis Walton..
Check Out The Abduction Video,

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30667

Here Is Whitney Streibers Abduction Scene,
Complete With Flying Robot...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nliGzeinPeA&feature=related

The Similarities Are Quite Striking:

The Masks,
The Grubbyness Of The Places,
The "Surreal" Dream Like Quality...
The Nudity,
The "Invasive" Medical-Type Procedure,

But The Fact Remains The Experience Is Remembered,
In Hypnotic Regression...

Very Interesting...!!!

[geewhizz]

Cheeb thanks for the links.

Hypnotic regression cannot be portrayed as fact in my eyes, the mind is a weird and wonderful place (try Shrooms!!)

I dont know about you guys on here but watching them abduction sequences makes me feel drained, I get negative vibes from all that crap.:confused:


I read a book called 'Close encounters of the fourth kind', cannot remember the author but I think he was a journalist. There's some 'Flying Robots with Hats and swirl on chest' in that book. Absolute Mind control programming, I have no doubt whatsoever.:rolleyes:

[cheeb]

Hey Cheeb, I notice you mentioned a collective consciousness. Do you not think that the existance of such could mean that greys could indeed be on earth by way of manifestation of this?


The Grays Are Well Manifested On This Planet Now..

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2467/alien2bigas7.jpg
Streibers Template "Wraparound" Gray

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9062/aliendetectinmobilephonhl3.jpg
Japan-It Is A Worldwide Phenonema

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Brainwashing The Children..

Hide Behind The Setee For This One:

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Aleins Are Malignant...

Geewhizz

This Is An Interesting Link,
That Has Got Carol Rosin,
Who Interviewed
Werner Von Braun
,
Project Paperclip

Nazi Defector To USA Atomic Program...

MK, Monarch, Majestic Etc.....

http://www.exopolitics.org.uk/carol-rosin-%11-the-final-deception/

The First Video.....(Looks Blank- But It Works)

The NWO Agenda For The Staged Alien Invasion....

:eek:

[lakkimakki]

I have believed that gray aliens, UFO abductions and things like that always were imaginations created in people's minds, but recently I have been thinking that there might be real Grays, small aliens with big eyes (goggles)

lol like splinter cell:)

[cheeb]

Us Humans,
Have Always Been In The Buisness Of
Anthropomorphisizeng.(Badly Spelled)

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1363/saqqaraetfp5.jpg

The Ancient Egyptians Knew Who To Deify..

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/183/ethiroplyphbr2.jpg

VASES!!!

:eek:

[noobcybot]

So what is it you think Cheeb. The agenda is of completely human origin?

[cheeb]

So what is it you think Cheeb. The agenda is of completely human origin?

Can I Quote Someone,
Who Is Much Better At This Stuff Than Me..
Ciggy...

Theoretically.

A)



Once upon a time there was a primitive tribe. This tribe probably lived in Africa, according to mitochondrial DNA evidence, but it’s also possible that it lived on some other continent which is now at the ocean floor (and nobody has bothered to do much DNA testing there). In this tribe there were strong, fast-running, skilled Alpha hunters who were getting all the best food and women. But there were also smart, clever Betas in the tribe who envied the Alphas, and felt underappreciated for their intelligence and cleverness, as they supplied the tribe with new technologies (e.g., new ways to flake flint for arrowheads), and got little to no reward for their innovations.



After long generations of suffering second-class citizenship in the tribe as “tradition” (and the threat of beatings if they bucked that system) required, the clever Betas came together as a group to commiserate in their plight, and speculate on what might improve their condition. What could be done to make use of their intelligence, which they had in abundance, and make up for their lapses in the physical prowess areas used by the Alphas to dominate them? Unfortunately, at first, they could devise little of any use. Intelligent as they were, they were still, after all, primitive, and even with Mother Necessity in labor pains, the child called “Invention” was slow in coming. After a while the Smart Betas gave up on their plans, and considered their desired rise in status to be simply a fantasy (not unlike modern fantasies of “winning the lottery”). But this fantasy lingered, and the seed of it germinated, and sprouted into a determination to decisively *do* something about any sort of an opportunity which might arise.



The opportunity the Smart Betas were waiting for came one day when a Strong Alpha came running back to the camp from a mountain hunt, screaming incoherently about having found a “big lizard creature” in a cave where he had chased a wounded deer. He described big, sharp teeth like those of a saber-toothed tiger, but the size of an elephant or larger. Certain doom awaited any and all who might go into that cave, to be sure!



While the Strong Alphas adhered to the advice of their fellow hunter and avoided this “Cave of Curses”, the Smart Betas, smart as they were, took this story with a degree of skepticism. “Why,” asked one of them, quietly to another Beta (respectfully avoiding the wrath of an Alpha which would follow immediately upon questioning his story), “have we heard no roars or yelps or screeches from this cave? Would a monster sit silently in a cave and do nothing? We have also not seen the like of such a monster roaming around this valley, not even at night. What sort of a monster is this which never ventures out of its lair?” In time the Smart Betas came to agree that there was something amiss in the Strong Alpha’s story, and they resolved to sneak out of the camp in the middle of the night, and go into the cave with torches, and to carefully investigate this claim.



They chose a moonless night so that their trek out of the camp would go unnoticed. Once at a safe distance, they lit their torches and plodded up the steep foothills, found the mountain goat paths and carefully climbed those, and with great effort, finally arrived at the mouth of the “Cave of Curses” as warned by the Strong Alpha was inhabited by a Lizard Monster.



Smart as the Betas were, they knew better than to rush into the cave, torches blazing, and they knew that even with all of their number (13) they would be no match for such a Monster if it were real, and so their actions at the Cave entrance were subtle, stealthy, and cautious at first. One threw a stone into the Cave and they all waited for a reaction. There was none. A few more threw stones, and similarly, there was no stirring of any living thing inside. Finally one threw a torch into the cave to light up the path entering in, and while there were some bones and decaying small animal carcasses, other than that there was nothing to indicate the presence of a live creature. Eventually they found their courage (fueled further by their skepticism), and they slowly started to creep into the cave, holding their torches out in front of them in hopes that if there were a real monster, that the Sacred Fire (that which separated their Tribe from the beastly ape-like wanderers of the woodlands, far more than physical appearance) would protect them as it did from wolves and various smaller predators.



With each turn in the Cave, they became increasingly bold, as they saw nothing inside which could supply the danger warned about by the Alpha hunters. Nothing, that is, until finally they made a casual turn and nearly all dropped their torches in unison. A CREATURE! There is was, sitting on a pile of bones, just as described by the Alphas! Some of the Betas were paralyzed in shock, and did nothing. Some began to run out of the cave, in terror. But there were three who let their skepticism remain firm, and continued to observe the creature in spite of their instinctive fearful reaction to its teeth and its size. They observed, and observed some more, and they called to their brothers in the Smart Beta fraternity, to come back in, that it was safe: the Creature is DEAD!



It was dead but remarkably well-preserved. Its position in the Cave beneath some dropping water and sediment had calcified the body and fossilized the flesh, thus making it a permanent statue of the full figure of the dinosaur it was at the time of its death, however many millions of years ago. The Betas, in wonder, gathered around this Beast, marveling at the stony flesh, the glaring eyes, the claws so large and sharp you could easily see them ripping through tree trunks. Even when the Betas were satisfied the Beast was dead, it was still difficult for them not to be frightened by it, such was its appearance.



The smartest of the Betas, in the jarring clarity of this situation, had an idea. This was the moment they had been waiting for, the opportunity they had dreamed about, to gain the upper hand over the Alphas: while the Betas feared the clubs and muscles and fists of the Alphas, here was something the Alphas feared, and the Betas did not fear it (at least, not as much!) What if they could come up with a way to use this fear the Alphas had, of the Cave? The Betas sat around in a conference and began to do what they did best: THINK!



The plan they came up with was simple, yet brilliant: they would announce to the tribe that the Beast was in fact alive, yet it had chosen them, the Betas, as its servants, and its messengers to the Tribe. In order to prevent other members of the Tribe from investigating the Cave the way they did, they took measures to put evidence where they had previously found none, of it being alive. At all times they stationed a Beta within the cave to blow a modified hunt-horn in such a manner as to approximate the roar of the Beast, and through a makeshift megaphone this same Beta would bellow the Beast’s voice of warning and command at all who begin to enter the Cave. On the extremely rare occasion that the curious of the Tribe did come sneaking up to the Cave, this method was sufficient to send them screaming back down the mountain in terror, for the rest of the Tribe’s history (and the history of the nations and Empires the Tribe became later on!)



As Messengers of the Beast, the Betas became the new Alphas. Fear of the unknown (Beast) had taken over the fear of the known (muscles, fists, clubs). The Smart Ones took on a new name for themselves, their Order, and called themselves: The Brotherhood of the Dragon. The very mention of their name inspired terror wherever it was uttered, and this was further solidified by rite of passage rituals organized by the Brotherhood, whereby adolescent boys were brought into the Cave, in carefully staged shows, and shown the Dragon in all its fierce might, and held back from devouring him only by the supplication and intercession of the Priests.



The Dragon, of course, began to demand “sacrifices”. The best of the food, and the best of the women. Any trade goods that came into the Valley, the Dragon got “His” pick of that as well. Gold and silver; Lapis lazuli; Gemstones; all things desired by man, the Dragon desired tenfold, and on pain of devouring by his claws, the Dragon always got what he wanted!



The Dragon symbolized power continuously after that. Even when the Tribe wandered away from the location of the Dragon Cave, new Caves were setup and staged by the Priesthood, with new skills in the craftsmanship of “special effects”, the arts of illusion, and the science of producing fear. For their entire history they have provoked fear of the unknown in order to exercise control over the physical powers of the known.



And to this day we have the “Dragon bloodlines”.





B)



One upon a time there was another primitive tribe, located “somewhere”. (Let’s pick Africa again, why not?) This Tribe had no mountains, nor caves, and they foraged for roots and herbs and berries, on a savannah. At night they slept in reed huts formed in a circle with their Sacred Fire at the center of the camp. The predators they were concerned about were less fierce than those of the mountain Tribe, and primarily consisted of snakes from the nearby river, and crocodiles. There was the occasional lion pride, but it tended to steer clear of the human encampment and its fires.



One day while foraging for food, a tribesman found a mushroom and wondered if it would be good to eat. He practiced the time-tested art of discovering new foods: he took a small bite of it and waited a period of time to see if there were bad reactions from eating it. He stayed near a source of fresh water in case he would need to flush out any poisons from this mushroom.



Instead of a poisonous reaction, the tribesman began to hallucinate. He could see wondrous things, remarkable creatures, and some of these creatures began to speak to him. Some of this information seemed questionable, but other items of advice were very practical, such as where to hunt the next day, and how to heal various illnesses that beset some of the other members of the Tribe. Still more experiences involved an hallucinated “Serpent” which seemed to speak of spiritual matters and recondite philosophies that stretched the mind to even begin to comprehend, to a point where a whole new mode of thinking would be required to even entertain all the ideas.



To those tribesmen who thought this Serpent Shaman (as he now called himself) was simply a hallucinating fool with nothing of value to share, he would answer with the practical advice on where to hunt, and sure enough, the hunters would have successes there. Over time it became known that the Serpent Shaman was wise, and power was given to him, and to those he chose as successors in his new herbal Mystery School.



Thus began the Brotherhood of the Serpent.



C)



One upon a time there was another primitive tribe. In this tribe, not only was fire sacred, but its mysteries were taught only to a chosen few: the Sons of Fire. As the sole guardians of the mysteries of the Flame, and the Light given off of it to penetrate the dark night, the Sons of Fire were also known as the Lightbringers.



D)



One upon a time there was an agrarian tribe. This tribe planted and harvested their food rather than relying on hunting or gathering. They ceased wandering and looked to the soil beneath their feet as their food source, and the sky above that soil as the bringer of their Life (sunlight and rain), or their Doom (drought, darkness, locusts, etc.) The symbol of all that was good and the source of their life was the Sun. It was more than a symbol, indeed, it was literally the source of all their sustenance and that which they understood to be their “life force”. Religion was a very practical operation to them, to attempt to retain and preserve the salutary attention of the Sun, at all costs.



Every year there was a cycle which frightened these farmers. The Sun would shine less and less light onto the world, and the land would get colder and colder. Dark freezing and eternal death seemed to loom on the horizon. And even though full permanent winter never stayed, and summer always came back to allow the growing of crops, there was still a suspicion in the back of the farmers’ minds that one day this cycle would NOT repeat, and the Sun would NOT come back, and all would be lost, forever. This fear was played upon by their priestly elite. They of all people understood the power this Sun had over the Tribe’s daily lives, and they also knew the power they could wield for themselves in making demands on behalf of this Sun. Sacrifices could be demanded. The best food; the best women; the best of the new invention called “beer”; it could all be had by simply demanding it on behalf of the Sun. “Seek and ye shall find; knock and it will be opened; ask and it will be given”, goes the saying in the Sun Cult.



But to solidify the position of the Bringers of (Solar) Light, these priests also made use of a very special other form of knowledge: knowledge of the solar eclipses. Knowing when they would occur gave them power to predict the events, and knowing their eventual passing allowed them to carry out a special showing of having driven off the “Forces of Darkness” from the land. The combination of this show and the annual winter show, convinced the people that this Priesthood had special powers of “Light Bearing”.



These were the Illuminators, the Lightworkers, the Lightbringers, and the Children of Light. And they ruled supreme, over even kings and emporers.



E)



Synthesis process:



Various tribes emerged into city-states and kingdoms, led by one of the four major archetypes of “Illuminati”: Dragon and Serpent brotherhoods; Sons of Fire; and Bringers of the Dawn.



Over the milleniae, the kingdoms “owned” by the various elite mystery schools fought one another for hegemony over territory. As the kingdoms struggled for power, so too did the various mystery schools. But while the “Strong Alpha” warriors of each kingdom could seldom find reconciliation and unity, thus making Imperial agglomeration among many city-states possible, the various Brotherhoods of each region had learned long ago that the primary key to their power was *teamwork*, and the ability to work together rather than in opposition to one another. And so while their respective kings and warriors continued fighting, the Brotherhoods began to unite in common cause. Wars became the playthings of the mystical elite, as the esoteric network had information vital to both sides of any conflict, and they could pick winners and losers by conferring with one-another, and using the dissemination of vital “intelligence” to the side they chose to win, by “Enlightening” the leaders thereof, while keeping the side they chose to lose, “in the Dark”.



This aid to kings and emperors, seemingly as guidance from the Gods Themselves, came at a price, of course. And that price was, easily guessed at: SACRIFICES: The best food, the best women, etc., etc.



The history of the cooperation of these Brotherhoods is complicated, however, by periodic clashes among them, because while most of the time they understood the value of teamwork, they also continually covet a supreme position for themselves and their own adepts, of their own mystery schools, to the detriment of others. Leo Zagami is a window onto this periodic mystery school conflict. Even if his particular story is a complete fabrication, the events described are not actually uncommon: it is a story of an ambitious Adept who decides to form a new school, run by him (of course!) and he attempts to draw membership from the ranks of the various other mystery schools “on the circuit”, e.g., OTO, P2, Golden Dawn, AMORC. Some of the invited Adepts show up to these meetings out of ambition; some, out of curiosity; and yet others, as a means of detecting if this first Adept is violating the oaths of his initiation into his original mystery school. Naturally, these episodes end badly, as the ambitious clash with the loyal, and accusations fly, and some of these organizations completely fall apart as a result. Even the ones that don’t destroy themselves, are heavily strained. Suspicion replaces a sense of unity. Back-stabbing becomes the art of the day. And nut-cases run amok in the public media as representing the mystery school(s) involved. All of this can sometimes temporarily derail the eternal perquisite forever established by that first “Dragon in a Cave”: the best of food and women, by virtue of what they know and what the sheeple don’t.

If I Had The Time And Intellegence,
This Is What I Would Write....

:)

[noobcybot]

Very good explaination, even if I think its a stretch for a number of groups to have maintained cohesion for so many years. I guess I am leaning towards the reptilians theory being right because of personal experiences. For example I have seen flying craft that could only have been organic or interdimensional or thoughtforms to my mind.
How do you explain the use of numerology and symbolism or sigils if the conspiracy is human based?
Sorry if I am bombarding you with questions mate!

[cheeb]

Apparently The Nazis,
Had Been doing It First..

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4948/nazi25ksaucereq1.jpg

Projeckt Saucer..ETC..

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3590/nazi25saucerbm1.jpg

Werner Von Braun,

The Man Behind The Nasa Space Program,

Said That After The Age Of Terror,

The Age Of Alien Invasion Would Usher In...

Terrorism Is Boring Now,

Lets Have.

Terraism...!!!!

:eek:

[noobcybot]

Are you suggesting Cheeb, that the Nazis were the first to take esoteric knowledge of the rogue group of beta males and the idea of UFOs being alien in origin ( and indeed many Nazis did practice occultism and were interested in finding underground civilisation and such ) to use it to scare people?
Do you think that Nazi scientists were really that advanced to actually come up with saucer technology without practical knowledge of applying occult principles?

And did they copy saucer designs from these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz4cUSn2bNE

So how long do you think the faked invasion plan has been going on?

[emanuel]

Very interesting thread this.....

Considering the information that would point to us humans as being the 'aliens' of this planet, maybe the greys are the life that flourished before we invaded and, like everything else we touch, all but wiped them out! Like the way the gray squirrels killed off the red ones over time in England.

That would explain why, if they do exist, they are reluctant to interact with us. We are after all the biggest threat to everything that lives on this plant.

[cheeb]

Ahh.. Communion - This movie was my first exposure to this 'Mind-Control'.. & I remember to this day having a sickening feeling of terror like I'd seen it all before.

Still the subject didn't reel me in then - being in mid-teens.

I'm open to every & all possibilities.

:)

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3166/streiber2aj3.jpg

MAJESTIC TWELVE (PROWORD) MAJIC

MAJESTIC TWELVE, MAJESTIC 12, MAJESTIC-12, MJ-12, MAJIC, are all forms of the
code name for the control group authorized by President Truman on 09/24/47.
The Director of the Central Intelligenge Agency (CIA) is the Director of
Majestic Twelve, MJ-1. The control group was formed to oversee a TOP SECRET
Research and Development & Intelligence Operation and was responsible only to
the President. The need for this group was dictated by the finding of a
downed FLYING SAUCER scattered over 2 sites near the town of Roswell New
Mexico in July 1947.

This Is CIA Counter Intellegence,
And Disinformation In Action...

Whitley Streiber Was Part Of This Programme...Unwhittingly...

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7325/whitneystreiberwardayjx9.jpg

It Took Thirty Six Minutes And Devastated The World..
36=666
That Book Was About The Nuclear Devastation Of Amerikka And USSR..

It Even Had The Rise Of AZTLAN In It
(The name Aztlán was first taken up by a group of Chicano independence activists led by Oscar Zeta Acosta during the Chicano movement of the 1960s and 1970s. They used the name "Aztlán" to refer to the lands of Northern Mexico that were annexed by the United States as a result of the Mexican-American War.)

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5633/thedaygn2.jpg

Another Whitley Classic...
Based On His Book The Coming Global Suprtstorm...

The Global Warming Agenda...

Here Is What Really Happened...

When Mind-controlled slaves who have alien programming are being abducted by the intelligence agencies for their use and for programming here are some of the details of how and what occurs: A bright light is shined into their house. They have been hypnotically conditioned to view this light as a Flying Saucer, whether it is a helicopter or something else. As the NWO does have Flying Saucers, sometimes the real thing is used. Men in Black (just like in SRA cases) are often associated with the abductions. And the slaves frequently speak about "shadows in the mind." The slaves are taken to rooms where examining tables with white sheets and X-ray machines, Headgear and medical equipment is in place. (The alien equipment has gotten more high-tech over the last 40 years. The aliens wear suits that are full of occult symbology. The people are restrained with clamps and electrical shock and energy is used on them. They are told that they are receiving information. They are given tracking implants and other implants. All of the 3 above persons, receive information from the aliens regularly. Almost all of the elements of Monarch trauma-based mind-control appear in these abduction accounts, especially in the psychological features of the victim. The victims of alien abduction programming feel suicidal after they talk too much. They have headaches, sleep difficulties, nightmares, obsessive thoughts, a fear of hypnosis, trapped feelings, and paranoia. During their abductions the aliens use drugs, thought transfers, and painful medical procedures. The aliens use language that parallels the messages given to SRA victims, just change the language from Satan is in charge to the Aliens are in charge . Cattle mutilations where the blood has been drain are associated with abductions. There is documented accounts where cattle mutilations have been connected to Satanic cults using helicopters. The victims of aliens are forced to be impregnated and then the fetus is repeatedly taken. The aliens are repeatedly telling these victims that a holocaust is soon to come. Another strange phenomena, that others and this author have noticed is that these victims of alien abduction seen to know each other, much in the same way that victims of Illuminati mind-control seem to know each other. And the aliens seem to know everything about the victims. The victims have amnesia of their abductions. The memories of their abductions are hidden in altered states of consciousness, that hypnosis sometimes can pull up.

http://hideout.mybb3.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=85&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

With This In Mind Take A Fresh Look At The Abduction Video In My Previous Post...


Here Is Whitney Streibers Abduction Scene,
Complete With Flying Robot...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HlQqcdG_VQc

The Similarities Are Quite Striking:

The Masks,
The Grubbyness Of The Places,
The "Surreal" Dream Like Quality...
The Nudity,
The "Invasive" Medical-Type Procedure,

But The Fact Remains The Experience Is Remembered,
In Hypnotic Regression...

Now I Wonder If Anyone Can Explain To Me,
When They First Came Into Contact With The Gray ETH,

(I Would Be Interested To Know How People Heard About The Grays,,,,)

And If They Can See A Government/CIA Black Ops,
Going On Here...

By The Way You Wil Not Get Abducted By Aliens,
Or CIA Illuminati...

Unless You Went Through This Trauma Ritual/Drama As A Child....

[darketernal]

Cheeb, I will agree with you 100% on the issue that our governments carry out fake alien abductions. This does not, however, prove that there are no greys.

[cheeb]

Cheeb, I will agree with you 100% on the issue that our governments carry out fake alien abductions. This does not, however, prove that there are no greys.

Please Tell Me Then..
How Did You Become Aware Of Gray Aliens...????

[darketernal]

Please Tell Me Then..
How Did You Become Aware Of Gray Aliens...????

Read my posts in the reptilian forum, and I have repeatly said they are not aliens.

[cheeb]

Read my posts in the reptilian forum, and I have repeatly said they are not aliens.

I Will Do...

But Just For The Sake Of Arguement

How Did You Become Aware Of Gray Entities..???

I Am Genuinly Interested,
To See If You Are A Cultural Prototype...

MC'd Probably Not.

Or A Follower Of This Psychological Religion...
:)

Copy And Paste Your Stuff If Yuo Want,
It Would Be Interesting To Put To A Wider Audience...!!!

:)

[cheeb]

Read my posts in the reptilian forum, and I have repeatly said they are not aliens.

I Had A Look Down There,
And The First Thing I Came Across Was

Gwen Stefani...

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1449/gwenstefanihollarback30fx2.jpg

Doing The Mk Ultra Sign Of Silence- No Talk Trigger Alter.....

OOOOps Its A Great Thread

Why Didnt I Notice That Before...!!!

Edited Because I Am Jumping To Conclusions..!!!!

[cheeb]

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2465/sonicpb4.gif

[cheeb]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1498/tumbleweedvz8.gif

[cheeb]

Masks And Mirrors..

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8739/commun3mw9.jpg

Even Whitley Knew This,
Under His Alters....

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2690/communionfilmmccrackenjn2.jpg

Hollywood Knew Aswell......

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2180/unabomberwl3.jpg

Considerable evidence supports the contention that Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski participated in CIA-sponsored MK-ULTRA experiments conducted at Harvard University by Henry A. Murray, a professor in Social Relations, from the fall of 1959 through the spring of 1962. Kaczynski was subjected to "a disturbing and what would now be seen as an ethically indefensible experiment on twenty-two undergraduates." Kaczynski was a precocious, though impressionable, sixteen-year-old when he began his participation; his assigned code name was "Lawful." He emerged, years later, as a terrorist and has been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2466/kenkeseyha5.jpg
Merry Prankster Ken Kesey, author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, volunteered for MK-ULTRA experiments while he was a student at Stanford University.
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8346/nestaa5.gif
Kesey's ingestion of LSD during these experiments led directly to his widespread promotion of the drug and the subsequent development of hippie culture.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6036/candyjonesyk4.jpg
Candy Jones, American fashion model and radio host, claimed to have been a victim of mind control in the '60s, but her account has not been verified.

Infamous Irish mob boss, James "Whitey" Bulger was subjected to testing while in prison for a chance of earlier parole

[cheeb]

Just Wonderin' Aloud,
Has This Got Anything To Do With Our Programming And love of Aliens..??

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/746/smashwk1.jpg

What’s not to love about a spaceship full of alien puppet robots made of rusty old woks and string? They ridiculed the poor humans still wasting time boiling and mashing their spuds for tea, when they could just add hot water to a packet?

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6919/smaship4.jpg

:eek:

[abrilliantone]

http://www2.hyper.net/ufo/pics/alien.jpg

http://gravybread.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/grey_alien.jpg

http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/draft_lens1911848module8807285photo_alien1Big.png1 206184520

http://alien-ufo-research.com/images/alien/grey_alien_dead.jpg (http://alien-ufo-research.com/images/alien/grey_alien_dead.jpg)


Possibly they're a genetic experiment created by the shadow government to make people believe in ET's and fear them. Leading up to a fake alien invasion in 2012 which will usher in the new world order.

I've heard this also.

I also heard that they are reptilians also and that the reptilians created them to be their workers.

http://www.alivenotdead.com/attachments/2008/05/23160_200805281126181.thumb.jpg

http://www.anomalymagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/invasion-of-the-saucer-men-lobby-card.jpg
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/attachment.php?attachmentid=68802

http://www.rotten.com/library/cryptozoology/aliens/alien9.jpg

[cheeb]

Yes I agree that Whitley is a victim (and a perpetrator) of mind control and I wouldn't trust this guy as far as I could throw him.

The one thing that many many people have missed in Communion (also shown in the film) is the 'Flying Robot in the little Hat with a swirly bullseye on his chest'
Weird....hmmm blatant trigger.

This trigger as been around since the mid 1940s but ive tracked it down also from someone on a message board...



BLATANT mind control weapon, ive even heard the Robot wears a 'mexican Hat with a stick on Mustouche!!'.....

AVOID this crap like the Plague.

That Robot Is Tik Tok,
From The Wizard Of Oz....

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/5908/tiktokvp5.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9523/tiktokmg3.jpg
With Butterfly Another MK Ultra Trigger..
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2729/tiktokozbh1.jpg

The Oz Factor
Entering The Magical Realm
By Michael Jordan


The wondrous experiences of Dorothy in the film The Wizard of Oz and Alice in her Wonderland, happened as a result of these two adventurous young ladies being whisked away into a magical realm from whence they eventually returned, unfortunately without a shred of evidence to support their experiences. Prolific writer and researcher in the field of UFOs and related areas, Jenny Randles coined the term the 'Oz Factor', to describe the sensations experienced by those who entered this state.
In her 1988 book Abduction, Randles describes the mysterious Oz Factor as, "an induced form of sensory deprivation which seems to alter the state of consciousness of the percipient. It can become visible as a sensation of time standing still, or interfered with, or it manifests as all sound vanishing, a very odd feeling of being isolated from our world into a magic world. It is less easy to describe than recognise, since witnesses often refer to it without having any idea of its significance. This underlines its importance." (Randles, p.57)
Ufologists have long been familiar with the reporting of such sensations as a prelude to UFO related experiences including witnesses to so-called abductions. Participants tell of feelings of disassociation and timelessness. The impression created for the individual concerned is one of having temporarily vacated the material world with its distracting sensory input and entered a timeless, silent, dreamlike, mental state, unlike any other previously experienced. Obviously a type of altered state of consciousness.

The records kept by UFO researchers are replete with cases involving aspects such as the paralysis of the witness, periods of missing time, the silence of the craft observed, its rapid or instantaneous disappearance and often the seeming absurdity of a lack of other witnesses, despite the vast size of the craft and the fact that it is seen in broad daylight. These underlying patterns remain pretty standard and common to the Oz Factor, irrespective of language or location.
An early example of its operation is recounted by Jenny Randles:

Jenny Randles Was Definatley Onto Something
But I Don't Think She Made The Connection,
Between The Wizard Of Oz,
And MK Ultra Mind Control....
The Clip ....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HlQqcdG_VQc

There Is A Thread The MK Ultra/Monarch Trauma Based Mind Control Here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3097&page=49

[cheeb]

Jacobs Ladder

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1011/jacobsladderkv3.jpg

Jacob Singer (Tim Robbins) is a U.S. soldier in the Mekong Delta, Vietnam. Helicopters pass overhead, carrying supplies for what appears to be preparation for a big Viet Cong offensive. Without any warning, Jacob's unit comes under fire. The soldiers try to take cover, but begin to exhibit strange behavior for no apparent reason. Jacob tries to escape the unexplained insanity, only to be bayonetted by an unseen enemy.

The film shifts between Vietnam, to Jacob's memories (and delusions) of his son Gabe (Macaulay Culkin, uncredited) and former wife Sarah (Patricia Kalember), to his present (this timeframe is set in 1977) relationship with a woman named Jezebel (Elizabeth Peña) in New York City. During this time, Jacob faces several threats to his life and has severe hallucinatory experiences. It is revealed that his son Gabe was hit by a car and killed while Jacob was in Vietnam.

Jacob's friend and chiropractor Louis (Danny Aiello) states the main thematic point of the film: in effect, hell is really purgatory, and those who are ready to let go of their lives do not find the experience 'hellish'. It is at this point in the movie that Louis cites the 14th century Christian mystic Meister Eckhart.

As the hallucinations become increasingly bizarre, Jacob learns about chemical experiments performed on U.S. soldiers in Vietnam. His surviving platoon-mates confess to Jacob that they have been seeing horrible hallucinations as well.

Michael Newman (Matt Craven), who claims to have been a chemist working with the Army's chemical warfare division in Saigon where he worked on creating a drug that would increase aggression in soldiers. Tests of the drug (code-named "The Ladder" in reference to the effect) were first given to monkeys and then to a group of enemy POWs, with gruesome results. Later small doses of "The Ladder" were given to Jacob's unit, through the platoons' C-rations. However, instead of targeting the enemy, the men in Jacob's unit attacked each other indiscriminately.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6273/jacobse3.gif
Jacob Enters The Light...

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/869/closeencountersbc3.jpg
A Similar Theme In Close Encounters Of The Third Kind...

“Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth".




The scene In Jacobs Ladder here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SXXbIOc9h4g&feature=related

Is almost Identical To The Abduction Of Travis Walton..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8FEHP7JGego

Being Dragged Down A Filthy Corridor,
Being Restrained On An Operating Table,
Crowding Around The Operating Table,
Filthy Surgical Equiptment,
A Drill Going Into The Head,

Even The Aliens/Demons Are The Same

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6641/jacobsladder03et8.jpg
The Demon Doctor From Jacobs Ladder..

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5734/ryan1fi3.jpg
Alien From Fire In The Sky...

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/6329/carnival5il1.jpg
The Same (Derivative) From Carnival Of Souls..
Notice The Decapitated One..!!!!

"The Ladder"

Jacob is told that the horrific events he experienced on his final day in Vietnam were the product of an experimental drug called "The Ladder", which was used on troops without their knowledge. This is an ambiguous element in the film, particularly since Jacob is given the information by a character in his own imagination. He is told that the drug was named for its ability to cause "a fast trip straight down the ladder, right to the primal fear, right to the base anger," although the name "The Ladder" also has a metaphorical and religious significance beyond this, which is relevant to Jacob's predicament: it is notable that he ends his hallucination on a staircase.

At the end of the film, a message is displayed mentioning the testing of a drug named BZ, NATO code for a deliriant and hallucinogen known as 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate that was rumored to have been administered to U.S. troops by the government in a secret attempt to increase their fighting power.

Central effects of BZ

* Disturbances in level of consciousness
* Misperceptions and difficulty in interpretation (delusions, hallucinations)
* Poor judgment and insight (denial of illness)
* Short attention span, distractibility, impaired memory (particularly recent)
* Slurred speech, perseveration
* Disorientation
* Ataxia
* Variability (quiet/restless)

Central nervous system mediated perceptual disturbances in BZ poisoning include both illusions (misidentification of real objects) and hallucinations (the perception of objects or attributes that have no objective reality). Hallucinations resulting from anticholinergics such as BZ tend to be realistic, distinct, easily identifiable (often commonly encountered objects or persons), panoramic, and difficult to distinguish from reality.

BZ produces effects not just in individuals, but also in groups. Sharing of illusions and hallucinations (folie à deux, folie en famille, and "mass hysteria") is exemplified by two BZ-intoxicated individuals who would take turns smoking an imaginary cigarette clearly visible to both of them but to no one else.

More Info On BZ Here...:
http://www.uoregon.edu/~munno/OregonCourses/REL353W05/BZStory.htm

[darketernal]

Cheeb, you've posted page after page after page of pictures showing greys, some creatures that resemble greys, some that do not, links to various movies and fictions, as well as tons of bold, colored and various sized text... however you've not only failed to back the argument you've made, but have actually made it so confusing that I can't even tell WHAT your point is. The nature of your posts (the continual pictures and changing text size) make it so difficult to read them, that it is very very difficult to understand what it is you are trying to say.

[romas]

He is trying to say hollywood is on a mission to brain wash the popopulation into alien images etc. Yeah it's quite possible, however strong evidence suggest physical alien existance beyond that of imaginative-drug based.

I wouldn't use hollywood movies and various fictional images as proof, it's rediculous and actually makes the whole argument looks retarded.

[cheeb]

Cheeb, you've posted page after page after page of pictures showing greys, some creatures that resemble greys, some that do not, links to various movies and fictions, as well as tons of bold, colored and various sized text... however you've not only failed to back the argument you've made, but have actually made it so confusing that I can't even tell WHAT your point is. The nature of your posts (the continual pictures and changing text size) make it so difficult to read them, that it is very very difficult to understand what it is you are trying to say.

Project Paperclip...

The U.S. Military rounded up Nazi scientists and brought them to America. It had originally intended merely to debrief them and send them back to Germany. But when it realized the extent of the scientists knowledge and expertise, the War Department decided it would be a waste to send the scientists home. Following the discovery of flying discs (foo fighters), particle/laser beam weaponry in German military bases, the War Department decided that NASA and the CIA must control this technology, and the Nazi engineers that had worked on this technology.

There was only one problem: it was illegal. U.S. law explicitly prohibited Nazi officials from immigrating to America--and as many as three-quarters of the scientists in question had been committed Nazis.
Data-Points:

Convinced that German scientists could help America's postwar efforts, President Harry Truman agreed in September 1946 to authorize "Project Paperclip," a program to bring selected German scientists to work on America's behalf during the "Cold War"

Allen Dulles delivered the Nazi Intelligence unit to the CIA, which later opened many umbrella projects stemming from Nazi mad research. (MK-ULTRA / ARTICHOKE, OPERATION MIDNIGHT CLIMAX)

Military Intelligence "cleansed" the files of Nazi references. By 1955, more than 760 German scientists had been granted citizenship in the U.S. and given prominent positions in the American scientific community. Many had been longtime members of the Nazi party and the Gestapo, had conducted experiments on humans at concentration camps, had used slave labor, and had committed other war crimes.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/806/projectpaperclipteamatfea4.jpg
The original Project Paperclip Team at Fort Bliss in White Sands, New Mexico.

WERNHER VON BRAUN

From 1937 to 1945, von Braun was the technical director of the Peenemunde rocket research center, where the V-2 rocket --which devastated England--was developed. As noted previously, his dossier was rewritten so he didn't appear to have been an enthusiastic Nazi.

Von Braun worked on guided missiles for the U.S. Army and was later director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. He became a celebrity in the 1950s and early 1960s, as one of Walt Disney's experts on the "World of Tomorrow." In 1970, he became NASA's associate administrator.


Why Were These Nazis Untouched By Simon Weisenthall,
The Nazi Hunter...!!!!

Incedentally Dr Mengele,
The Auschwitz Selection Docktor,
And Eugenics/Clone/Twin Researcher Was Instrumental In MK Ultra,
Trauma Based Mind Control...
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5527/mengele2yt0.jpg
Dr Mengele

He Goes By The Name Of Dr Green,
Or Greenbaum...

All Hyptonic Regressions Into Alien Abductions,
Will Eventually Uncover Dr Green...

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2509/weichsgu4.jpg
Nazi general Fieldmarshall Maximilian Freiherr von Weichs

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5162/donaldrumsfeldfy0.jpg

It's The NWO,
Third Reich,
Third Way,
In Action Right Now...!!!!

If You Can't Understand That Mate,
That Is Your Problem Not Mine......

[agelnessdotcom]

This is just another look at the "Greys"...

Perhaps the Greys are actually represenations of the Neo-Cortex braincells. They are grey because this is this is the colour of our "Grey matter" otherwise known as brain. They are robotic because our brains don't feel emotion but are rather instruments of intellect to be ruled by our heart.

Seeing as most people to witness the Greys have been during sleep or an unconscious state then a possibility that the Greys could be more of an internal thing rather than external. They have high technology because the neo-cortex is very advanced whereas the reptilian and mamalian brains are very ancient.

Partly true, since they were created out of fetuses it seems.

[cheeb]

however strong evidence suggest physical alien existance beyond that of imaginative-drug based.



What Evidence Would That Be Then..????,

Show Me....Please.....

:rolleyes:

[agelnessdotcom]

What Evidence Would That Be Then..????,

Show Me....Please.....

:rolleyes:

You are the evidence yourself! Period! You just don't know it yet!

[cheeb]

Sidetracker
Show Me The Evidence You Claim To Have,
Or Stop Trolling This Thread...

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9979/cartoon59zr5.gif

:eek:

[agelnessdotcom]

Sidetracker
Show Me The Evidence You Claim To Have,
Or Stop Trolling This Thread...

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9979/cartoon59zr5.gif

:eek:

Prove to me you're not an alien! I'm waiting...

[cheeb]

Prove to me you're not an alien! I'm waiting...

I'm Onto It Already,
Just Having Problems Uploadin Stuff,
Hang On In There To Get Totally Trashed....

:)

[cheeb]

Prove to me you're not an alien! I'm waiting...

George Adamski

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/3873/adamskiop8.jpg

On October 9, 1946, during a meteor shower, Adamski and some friends claimed that while they were at the Palomar Gardens' campground, they witnessed a large cigar-shaped "mother ship." In 1947, Adamski took a photograph of what he claimed was the 1946 cigar-shaped "mother ship" crossing in front of the moon over Palomar Gardens

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6325/ufohoax086blr0.jpg

On November 20, 1952 Adamski and several friends were in the Colorado Desert near the town of Desert Center, California when they are said to have seen a large submarine-shaped object hovering in the sky. Believing that the ship was looking for him, Adamski is said to have left his friends and to have headed away from the main road. Shortly afterwards, according to Adamski's accounts, a scout ship made of a type of translucent metal landed close to him, and its pilot, a Venusian called Orthon, disembarked and sought him out.

Adamski described Orthon as being of medium height humanoid, having long-blond hair, a tanned skin , and as wearing reddish-brown shoes with a trouser: "his trousers were not like mine". Adamski said Orthon communicated with him via telepathy and through hand signals. During their conversation, Orthon is said to have warned of the dangers of nuclear war and to have arranged for Adamski to be taken on a trip to see the solar system including the planet Venus, the location where Mrs. Adamski had been reincarnated Adamski said that Orthon had refused to allow himself to be photographed, and instead asked Adamski to provide him with a blank photographic plate, which Adamski says that he gave him When Orthon left, Adamski said that he and George Hunt Williamson were able to take plaster casts of Orthons footprints, and that the prints contained mysterious symbols

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6083/davidsonadamskite5.jpg

George Adamski

All of this, he traced back to Allen Dulles, another Director of the CIA: “During 1950 Allen Dulles became actively involved with the CIA work on saucers, and saw the psychological impact which they had. He started a plan to build them up as a psychological warfare weapon. Ruppelt’s book clearly shows the steps the CIA took. Project Bluebook was warmed up in 1950-51, Ruppelt was selected by a screening process and groomed for the job of public relations cats-paw (without his knowledge), and a series of ‘incidents’ was planned and carried out involving regular military units, which led to cases considered as authentic evidence of saucers.”
Later, Ruppelt would reflect on the several instances in which he had been used – and would admit he had been played. A Life article of April 1952, “Have we Visitors from Space?” was under preparation for a year and its publication was promoted with the help from the government, he would later argue.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8182/life752dl7.jpg
Visitors From Space Article First Apeared Here,
Notice MK Whore MM On The Cover.......

Davidson felt that the in retrospect “ridiculously” looking UFO contactee period of the 1950s, in which people reported meeting aliens from Venus and having rides on their space ship, was equally part of a government campaign: “By Fall of 1952, the CIA had laid out its plans for the ‘landing’ and ‘contact’ stories. The warmup for this had been the fabricated and planted stories about ‘little green men’, such as the famous lecture at the University of Denver in March 1950, described in Scully’s book ‘Behind the Flying Saucers’. This was a psychological test, and showed that about 50% of college-level people would believe a well-presented story.”
Davidson presented various pieces of evidence that underlined that the government was deeply involved with George Adamski, the most famous of all UFO contactees. When controversy raged at its height, Dulles himself stated that he would prevent anyone from testifying in court concerning Adamski’s book, “because maximum security exists concerning the subject of UFOs.” For Davidson, it was an admission that if people dug into the story, they would uncover a CIA dimension.
Davidson felt that Adamski himself reported tell-tale examples of government “steering” – and was aware of their involvement: “Late in 1949 four men came into the café at Palomar Gardens. Two of them had been in before and we had talked a little about the flying saucers. We began talking about flying saucers again. One of these men was Mr. J.P. Maxfield, and another was his partner, Mr. G.I. Bloom, both of the Point Loma Navy Electronics Laboratory near San Diego. The other two men were from a similar setup in Pasadena. One was in officer’s uniform. They asked me if I would co-operate with them in trying to get photographs of strange craft moving through space… And finally the moon was decided upon as a good spot for careful observation… And it was not too long after this meeting that I succeeded in getting what I deemed at the time to be two good pictures of an object moving through space. I first saw it as I was observing the moon.” What an amazing coincidence, that a UFO appeared where these military officers stated Adamski should look towards…
Furthermore, Adamski later admitted that he did not write the text of his books himself: one “CLJ” wrote Flying Saucers Have Landed (which sold upon its release 80,000 copies in the US alone) and Inside the space ships (1955) was written by Charlotte Blodget. But most centrally, he believed that Adamski wasn’t taken into outer space by Venusians, but was escorted to Camp Irwin, California where agents and operatives faked his contact using movie technology and drugs.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6103/ashtartw7.jpg
Ashtar Commmand Fakeology...

A CIA Mind Controlled Puppet....

:eek:

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/7852/ashtarcommandlogogx4.jpg

Even Their Logo Has Got Illuminati/CIA Mk Ultra...Written Into It..!!!

[cheeb]

Cheeb, you've posted page after page after page of pictures showing greys, some creatures that resemble greys, some that do not, links to various movies and fictions, as well as tons of bold, colored and various sized text... however you've not only failed to back the argument you've made, but have actually made it so confusing that I can't even tell WHAT your point is. The nature of your posts (the continual pictures and changing text size) make it so difficult to read them, that it is very very difficult to understand what it is you are trying to say.

500 + Posts,
With Nothing To Say,
Congratulations...!!!!

:rolleyes:

[agelnessdotcom]

Yepp, the Illuminati sure must have fun playing their games... All I can say at this time is trash the TV and you will recognize the alien within... We are actually 12 aliens in one, and 22 aliens counting all the additional modifications... Take a look at the development of a human being... Yepp, we have a reptilian base that then develops as a blend of 11 other races... This is you in the early days. Looks familiar?

[agelnessdotcom]

One more time at 28 days, 30 days and 46 days:

[cheeb]

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6083/davidsonadamskite5.jpg
Is Very Similar To

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3069/popesunremonstrmw3.jpg

[amethyst]

500 + Posts,
With Nothing To Say,
Congratulations...!!!!

:rolleyes:

Cheeb, I don't believe darketernal was attacking you. He was just stating that he found it difficult to understand what you meant by your posting of all those pictures, changing fonts and so forth. They need a little bit of explanation I think.

I also don't understand the point you are trying to make about the grey's, but I would like to understand your "take" on the subject...... as this topic interests me, as well as others, I'm sure.

Can you be a little more specific as to what exactly you are saying?

[cheeb]

One more time at 28 days, 30 days and 46 days:]

You Do Realise That You Have Tapped Into The Illuminati Secret Of 28 Don;t You

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http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4570/28weekslater1ju2.jpg
The Menstural,
And The Moon Cycle....

:eek:

[romas]

What Evidence Would That Be Then..????,

Show Me....Please.....

:rolleyes:



Why should I? Do you want me to post some hollywood bollocks posters that you post? Or some photos that you could dismiss on your own speculative basis?

I'm telling you I undirstand where your theory comes from and I can accept it as possibilty, however I have my own personal proof and world view.

You are asking me to drive you down the physical proof lane of evidence and I'm telling you I'm not your chauffeur.

[cheeb]

Why should I? Do you want me to post some hollywood bollocks posters that you post? Or some photos that you could dismiss on your own speculative basis?

I'm telling you I undirstand where your theory comes from and I can accept it as possibilty, however I have my own personal proof and world view.

You are asking me to drive you down the physical proof lane of evidence and I'm telling you I'm not your chauffeur.

If I Had Proof About Aliens,
I Would Not Keep It Hidden...

You Are Either Lying Or Deluded..

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3050/raelufoth6.jpg

Rael: Messenger of the Elohim

Rael: Messenger of the ElohimAt the age of 27, on the morning of December 13, 1973, while he was still leading his successful racing-car magazine, RAEL had a dramatic encounter with a human being from another planet, at a volcano park in the center of France, known as "Puy de Lassolas".
This extra-terrestrial gave him a new detailed explanation of our origins and information on how to organize our future, as recorded in the book: Intelligent Design.
After six consecutive meetings in the same location, Rael accepted the mission given to him, to inform humanity of this revolutionary message and to prepare the population to welcome their Creators, the Elohim, without any mysticism or fear, but as conscious and grateful human beings.
After a few months considering this huge task, Rael almost developed a stomach ulcer before finally deciding to give up his much loved career as a sports-car journalist and devote himself fully to the task assigned to him by Yahweh - the extra-terrestrial whom he met.
Within the year following the encounter, he managed to print the book reporting about the event and appeared on two of the main TV and Radio shows in France, announcing a public conference.
This first public conference held in Paris on September 19, 1974 attracted more than 2000 people.
Shortly after, he founded the association MADECH - a group of people interested in helping him in his huge task- that would later become the Raelian Movement.
By the end of the year 1974, the association counted 170 members.
They are now more than 65000 members in 90 countries

Raels Symbol..:

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7572/raeliansymbolsre3.png
Swastica And Star Of David(Israel)

The group is headed by Frenchman Claude Vorilhon, a former race-car driver and journalist who renamed himself Rael after supposedly being visited in 1973 by a member of the Elohim. He described his visitor as being about 3-feet tall with long black hair, almond-shaped eyes, olive skin and exuding "harmony and humor."
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/9050/raelbd8.gif
He says he discovered through this meeting that his father was an alien, and claims he was taken in the flying saucer to meet Jesus, Buddha and Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormons. Rael now describes himself as a prophet and claims that cloning will enable humanity to attain eternal life.

Heaven's Gate:
Committed suicide to take their souls to a spaceship behind Comet Hale-Bopp

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Funders of Heaven's Gate, M. Applewhite and B. Truesdale, claimed to have arrived via UFO from another dimension (a "level above human") and would return via a secretive "Process", which was taught to cult members. One of the group's publications, "How To Build A U.F.O.", purported to describe an interplanetary spacecraft built out of materials such as old tires.
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Marshall Applethwaite

The cult's end coincided with the appearance of Comet Hale-Bopp in 1997. In 2007, Applewhite convinced thirty-eight followers to commit suicide so that their souls could take a ride on a spaceship that they believed was hiding behind the comet carrying Jesus. All 39 were dressed in identical black shirts and sweat pants, brand new black-and-white Nike tennis shoes, and armband patches reading "Heaven's gate away team".

Heavens Gate was a CIA mind-control program.

If You Know Anything About MK Ultra,
You Will Notice The Rainbow Colours,
And The Key/Lock Motif In The Heavens Gate Logo....

[romas]

What are you 12 years old? You post your own speculations as "proof", insult people and you think anyone is going to take you seriously?

I'm not hiding anything, it's actually pretty easy to find Billy Meier case on the internet.

[cheeb]

What are you 12 years old? You post your own speculations as "proof", insult people and you think anyone is going to take you seriously?

I'm not hiding anything, it's actually pretty easy to find Billy Meier case on the internet.

Please Tell Me You Are Joking..

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Seen above, a shot of Billy Meier’s “weddingcake” craft, allegedly an extraterrestrial device. A strange appendage is circled in blue. What could it possibly be?

According to The Billy Meier case: more conclusive “smoking gun” proof of deception, that’s just the handle of a garbage can lid that can be found on Meier’s farm:

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/5371/meiertampalacakl4.jpg

Read the full analysis for much more details. But maybe the best part is the “explanation” given by Meier (or his aliens) for why the lower part of an alleged alien craft looks exactly like a garbage can lid, complete with a handle. From Meier’s 254th Contact Report, November 28, 1995:

Ptaah: “. . . As far back as the 1920s we worked with flying devices you have named the ‘Wedding Cake Ship,’ … we endeavored to transmit all of the necessary data regarding the vehicles’ shape to terrestrial scientists, in the form of telepathic impulses, to assist them in developing flying disks on Earth … We thoroughly investigated the entire situation and discovered that the old, newly re-emerged drawings were used for the design and production of these receptacle covers. … This, then, is how the shape of the container covers came about, which, as I mentioned earlier, strikingly resemble the lower rim section and undercarriage on our flying devices.”

It’s more ridiculous than his excuses as to why his photos of the pretty Pleiadian girls were exactly like dancers from the Dean Martin show.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9426/ding8avq4.jpg

Photographing an American show on TV and claiming it was a real contact with aliens is also not much different from photographing a book illustration and claiming it was from a time travel trip. Click the image below to check “SpaceTimeNews” comparison:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6176/meierdinosaurhoax2qhgjkao0.jpg

Deluded Fool...!!!

[romas]

Some one slapped the handle on his photo via and you call this proof? That's like one of those Bush and alien photos, oh it's an image, it must be true(Well I guess for you that's all it takes! LoL).

Girl is simmilar, but not the same person clearly(actress is more masculine, differnt hair spread on top, less pronounced chin etc.), where did you get the pterodactyl photo I have no idea(I've never seen it as he said he never took any photos in his Vendel Stevens interview), you call me deluded and base this as proof, I can slap better stuff in photoshop myself, what an idiot lmao.

Maybe try the sound files, video of the flying saucer around the shaking tree? I guess for a big keyboard cowboy like yourself it won't be a problem?

[romas]

Well a good article for extreme sceptics and probably anyone else to:

http://www.rense.com/general83/dngr.htm

[johno]

I once thought the grays might be what we evolve into in the far future.. say, if we continue down this present course. I thought they might be ourselves whom in the future have mastered time travel & have come back to correct mistakes that lead to certain un-favorable out-comes in the future; For instance - if we legalized cloning & medicine evolved so advanced that we became more & more mechanical & less natural/organic. We eventually moved so far away from our true power & spirituality that we were totally reliant on science & cloning. We become in-fertile & only able to procreate in test tubes & in-turn - the soul become diluted & weak we eventually lost all emotions/feelings & evolved into a frail/weak robotic like being.. 'the grays'.

Then there's the sulphuric stench they emit - which I feel is strong 'evidence' that points their origin/dwelling to the hollows of Earth - so I now think they are either a manufactured organic based robotic 'worker bee' for the reptilians (whom I feel are aspects of the fallen-angels) or are actually the reptilians themselves in a gray alien guise, for purposes to hide their true image or to cause further confusion (just as they hide the majority of their activity with-in the sub-conscious) & also to leave the opportunity open for more future deceptions. I guess this is my current thesis.

I just find it hard to swallow that millions of people around the world, would have an extremely similar 'nightmare' type manifestation.. So I reckon there is in fact a 'tangible reality' to these grays. & if they are in-fact here to 'help' us evolve or develop why would they cause such psychological damage &/or death - IMHO the adverse affect caused by this phenomena thus-far out weights any benefits present or future. They seem to act like they have a right to our DNA & re-productive cells & to me this seems way beyond a deal with societies 'mis-leaders' trading hardware (Human DNA) for advanced technology. Either-way if they are here for our benefit (which I strongly doubt) they're severely going about it the wrong way.

That is my thoughts on the situation too ;)

[branjo]

I think the Greys are the result of a gentetically modified work force that have stopped taking the shit from their masters and are desperatlely trying to find a way to reproduce outside of the test tube, and they dont give a damn who they have to bribe or offend in this quest. They are here out of their own self preservation so I can't blame them for being short on morals, I am sure the rats and monkeys in our labs feel the same way the abductee's do.

[sloughi]

Greys are gods. They are superior to humans and will take a destructive move against the Earth.

[auroral_iris]

greys are real, we wont know their purpose until they reveal it..despite speculations

[mind1universe]

I hear someone said that dolphins are related to the grays that new age crap:rolleyes: Creustaciouns (however you spell it)

Grays are genetically engineered and were created from insectoid beings that are slaves who are trying to break free.

Dolphins are mamamals. God these new age fuckers just believe in anything.:rolleyes:

[mind1universe]

Greys are gods. They are superior to humans and will take a destructive move against the Earth.

No they are not. and no they won't

Stop the bullshit please.

[branjo]

Superiour to humans Eh?, I bet I could take 10 of them out in a fist fight :D

[indigenous]

Haven't read all this thread yet but I hope somebody has pointed out that the greys aren't grey at all.

[romas]

Superiour to humans Eh?, I bet I could take 10 of them out in a fist fight :D



The same way a bear can take out 10 men barehanded. Except we don't fight bears with physical power. ;)

[les_paul_robot]

Haven't read all this thread yet but I hope somebody has pointed out that the greys aren't grey at all.What colour are they then? Smokey blue? Cinammon? Magnolia?

[dankai]

(imo) I think they are a hybrid reptilian race, subserviant to who created us.

[davew]

I think they are:

- Humans from our future, seeing that in the future time travel is inevitable.

- Their large heads have formed due to millions of years of brain growth, because of advances in human society. Humanoid species of the past had much smaller brain capacity to that of today's human.

- Their eyes have evolved to compensate for the low light conditions due to planetery disaters that will happen in the future.

- They don't traverse millions of miles through space, they simply travel through time to reach us (as this is very easy for them to do).

Are they influencing humankind? That's for you to work out!

;)

[dankai]

This is kind of cool. I just went outside, the sky looks beautiful. Not many clouds in the sky. I see a couple clouds that spell E T and take a picture with my cellular phone.

I'm not saying there's something to it. I just thought it was cool. I'll try and post them here. If they don't work I have posted them in my album section on my Profile page.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=474&pictureid=4438

[dankai]

Here is the other:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=474&pictureid=4437

[disorder2k8]

i always thought the greys were robotic and silicon based, which is where we are headed with the singularity of technology and the amount of heavy metals we put in our bodies and the fact we are becoming more robot like

I am one of the few people to 'get' Blade Runner for that reason

[nicolaj]

I think they are fallen angels, the "elohim" of old.

+1

[doctor_john]

The greys are not spirital beings, they obey the same laws of physics that we do.

check out www.stopabductions.com

[jamesc]

Are They Coming and If So, What Do We Do?
Friday March 30th, 2007
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It is possible that the visitors are about to show up. I am not saying that this will happen, but only that this is a time when it could happen, and there are some indications that it may be about to happen.
The indications are these: First, the large number of UFO sightings around the world, capped most recently by a report that there is an active UFO on the ground in southern Somalia. Is this report true? So far, it has not been possible to follow up, and probably the only way to get confirmation would be from a US military satellite, and we can forget that. Second, the sudden upsurge in official and semi-official statements, with the latest being Gov. Fife Symington's reiteration on Good Morning America this morning that he had seen a UFO.

So, all of the activity and public pronouncement suggest change. Interestingly, conditions within our society suggest that a basis of rational response to contact that has not been present in the past is present now. For example, this website now reaches a million people every month with its sophisticated and sensible view of the UFO and close encounter phenomena. Even five years ago, nothing like it existed. Public reaction to UFOs is now muted. The appearance of even extensive UFO activity in a given area does not cause panic or sensational press response. They are more-or-less taken for granted as a relatively benign mystery of interest to some but not most people.

This is a profile that is conducive to a more productive form of contact than has been possible in the past. It will not be the way the world at first presents itself to the visitors, but it is there, and behind it there lies the potential for a rational response.

At first, the media will likely go to all the wrong authorities: to scientists who know nothing of the history of the phenomenon and will look upon whatever is happening now as the beginning of a process of contact and not what it is, which is the culmination of many years of effort; to religious leaders who will contend that their own beliefs must be reflected in the culture of the visitors, and, if not, that they are somehow fallen, or 'not saved' or otherwise ignorant; to government officials who might make false claims about what has happened in the past; and to various UFO researchers, probably the ones with the most sensationalistic theories, or who assert their leadership most forcefully, and are therefore ego-driven and least capable.

Later, though, cooler heads will hopefully prevail, and we will begin to explore how contact can help us. Initially, this will be a matter of looking back over the past 60 years at a higher level of scientific analysis, and seeing what it has already left behind that can be of use to us. Then learning to communicate with the visitors, which will involve using our minds in a new way, and accepting that such things as what we call 'telepathy' are merely aspects of nature and perfectly detectable and measurable.

It will take human culture many years to evolve an efficient organ of communication and exchange with them, and they will not be in a hurry. There will turn out to be people, as it were, hidden away in our socieities all over the world who have already been prepared and will together provide a useful beginning.

This will unfold outside of the context of current religious and governmental structures. The planet is dying, which is why the visitors are showing up now, to try to offer us a new perspective. They will not lay out a plan of action. But observing their presence, the knowledge they have left behind already, and whatever messages we can glean from early attempts at communication, will provide us with a rich new source of ideas.

Depending on how serious our situation actually is, they may intervene in the cultural milieu in some very surprising ways, by taking specific action to deflect or curtail the activities of those most unwilling to try to live in a way that will sustain the planet's functioning long term. If that happens, then we will see interventions that will cause a good deal of consternation, although I cannot even begin to guess the exact form they may take.

They will not at first address the species' various religious ideas except in very general terms, by communicating with us in triads, with a positive thrust and a negative thrust, leaving us to evolve the message by reconciling its two parts. I know that this is very, very different from the way we commuicate, but it works and if they do show up it will become familiar enough.

Face-to-face communication, if the experience of close encounter witnesses so far is any example, will be extremely varied. Not only will there be many different physical forms involved, they will be presenting us with sometimes radically different views of the way they should approach us.

Imagine what it would be like on another planet if human spacefarers showed up, some from the US, others from Brazil, others from Borneo, from France, from India and China, and you can get a very minor idea of what this will be like.

What we are apt to see are many different variants of known forms as well as some we have never seen, or hardly seen, and some of these will be quite frightening, with a combination of toughness and capabilities that will make it very hard to face them. But not impossible.

I did it alone in the woods in the middle of the night, so it certainly can be done.

There are also going to be more human forms. It turns out that physical evolution follows similar patterns on worlds with similar mineral content and similar stars. There is something about the stars themselves that determines what sort of creature will evolve on their planets, and so the mix of forms is tremendous, but also strangely familiar, and, in some cases, shockingly so.

People ask me what I will do under the circumstances of contact. I already know my role, very precisely. I will not volunteer myself, but I do have a lot of knowledge that will be freely available to anybody who asks. I am not ego-driven, in the sense that I will want to take some place that I might think I deserve.

In this, we are all equal. Nobody knows much more than another and nobody deserves any special place in regard to the contact process. Those who seek to impose their presence between the visitors and the rest of us will find that they have made a grave mistake, in that they will be among the first human beings called to task for violating laws created elsewhere, that now also pertain to us.

What I will be eager to do is to help evolve effective human institutions of contact. These will be scientific and cultural. In my work on this subject in fiction and in the movies, I am already struggling with the cultural aspect. I am not trying to use fiction to disguise what I believe to be factually true, but to offer stories that are emotionally true, and give a taste of the wonder, fear and sense of question the actual experience involves.

Once contact comes, my primary work will change. It will be to offer persepective and guidance in the development of a useful scientific response to this new model of the universe, as an entity that contains a certain amount of intelligent life beyond our own, and knowledge associated with it that we can integrate into our own understanding.

This is what I have been unable to do so far, because official denial has led to a broader culture of denial within educated human circles. Right now, it is as dangerous to a scientist's career to propose that money be spent on the study of UFOs as it was in the fifteenth century for him to propose that the earth revolves around the sun.

But the earth does revolve around the sun, and when we faced that reality, we embarked upon a five hundred year journey into science that has culminated in all the magnificent knowledge we possess today.

Similarly, when science acknowledges that the visitors are real and therefore that communication with them and use of the knowledge we get from that is possible, a second, and even greater scientific revolution will unfold.

At the end of the first scientific revolution, we are sending instantaneous messages around the world, feeding billions more than we ever dreamed possible, flying, and doing so much more. It has been a triumph.

The next scientific revolution begins when the scientific community acknowledges that other intelligence is here and that it has unknown origins. When we look back from the perspective of another five hundred years, we will find that this second scientific revolution has been even more profound, and the triumph great beyond the most hopeful imaginings of today.

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[mind1universe]

Greys are not human from the future...

There are humanoid. But are not human and are not decendant from human

[doctor_john]

"The aliens may be a million years ahead of us in technology, but they are still using physical forces which can be understood and controlled. The thought screen helmet demonstrates that the aliens communicate with some form of electro-magnetic energy and that form of energy, which may also be a form of telepathic communication, can be blocked or jammed. We are coming closer to learning about real alien technology by taking an intelligent approach to the problem." - Michael Menkin

"Intelligence is not what you know, but what you do when you don't know. " - Piaget.

[doctor_john]

what the aliens want to do is depopulate the Earth to an extent to make certain races on this planet more easily controlable, through this they will be the dominant factors in genetic engineering producing their new decendants.

sooner or later a percentage of the population will die out because they will be infertile because of the transmutation that will take place through their mind control, most likely some form of towers transmitting a signal to jam human though processes or to confuse their own animal instincts, somehow this is happening and is growing right now, once this is complete, the aliens will take over with their new kind walking the Earth.

To a point they have been studying human emotions, thought processess, everything possible to use the human psyche as a weapon against ist's self leaving submition with very little resistance.

[romas]

The greys are not spirital beings, they obey the same laws of physics that we do.

check out www.stopabductions.com



lol is this for real? Tinfoil helmets?

[doctor_john]

lol is this for real? Tinfoil helmets?


it's for real alright, it's not anything to do with the tin foil hat lot.

tin foil wouldn't stop those things controling your mind, whatever Aliens do to abduct people maybe through a form of electromagnetic energy, whatever the velostat attenuates can be a measurable form of energy.

it's impedance scrambles the contact with the signal to the brain.

[romas]

and you think the face and neck part doesn't leak "electromagnetic energy" from below?

[kingmob]

There are like 15 different Grey alien types. Which ones are you all talking about?