Pyramid in Liverpool graveyard

[mr_pixie]

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[ownedtbh]

yeh ive went passed that quite alot...but ive never givin it two thoughts to be honest its pretty strange tho. :rolleyes:

[mr_pixie]

I think two bothers (Freemasons) are ment to be Buried under the Pyramid.

[gremlin]

dig it up and see if he was buried with his money:D

[john galt]

What's the blue symbol on the front?

[blokey]

Nice pics, some close ups would be nice.

One strange thing i've noticed already is.....


















































Look at the sunlight shining on the top of the pyramid...eeek!

[kweli]

Thanks for posting pixie, very interesting. I've visited many burial grounds but I've never seen anything like that. Notice it's surrounded by obelisk shaped memorials too.

I've researched it a bit further, it's called Mackenzies Tomb and It has a very interesting legend attached. Here's three slightly different versions of the same story.

'Mystery surrounds a pyramid tomb in the City Centre of Liverpool. The legend is that MacKenzie, a railway engineer and gambler, lost his soul to the devil in a game of cards. To avoid the threat of the devil taking his soul 'when he was put in the ground', it is claimed that MacKenzie requested to be interred sitting on a chair clutching a winning hand. Some very recent developments to be posted soon. Watch this space.

The pyramid tomb is situated in the graveyard of St. Andrews Church, Rodney Street, Liverpool. The church was designed by the architect John Frazer Jnr. The foundation stone was laid in 1823 and the church was opened on 3rd December 1824. The Church was closed in 1974 and eventually destroyed by fire in 1984.'
Source: Source: http://www.edwardjkelly.com/research.html


'Now here's an oddity for you.In the churchyard of the derelict Church of St Andrew in Rodney Street, Liverpool, stands this tomb.It is the grave of one William McKenzie, said to be a notorious gambler. There are two different explanations as to why he's in a tomb like this.The first version is that, having lost all his money playing cards, the Devil turned up and suggested he play one more game - with McKenzie's soul at stake. McKenzie duly lost, but - recognising a good sport - old Mephisto said that he wouldn't claim McKenzie's spirit until his body was laid in the earth. McKenzie, being nothing if not sharp-witted, then contrived to be entombed above the ground instead! This may account for why his ghost has reportedly been seen frequently in the environs of Rodney Street.

The second version - only slightly more prosaic, but entirely in keeping with notions of Victorian eccentricity - states that McKenzie wished to be buried sitting at a card table, holding a winning hand.The site has fallen into decrepitude through the neglect of the landowner, and there are still concerns as to what would happen to this monument in any redevelopment. Perhaps McKenzie's ghost needs to pay a visit...'
Source:http://www.thejudge.me.uk/Not_blog/Pictures/Gal_pg_l0014.htm

WILLIAM McKenzie’s ghost is said to haunt Rodney Street.

The railway engineer is said to have lost his soul to the devil in a poker game.

He believed if his body was not buried underground, the devil could not claim his soul, hence his pyramid-shaped tomb in St Andrew’s churchyard, between Rodney and Maryland Streets.

According to the strict terms of his will, he remains seated at a card table, a winning hand of poker in his fist.'
Source: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/01/31/tales-from-the-crypt-100252-20416630/

[beldazar]

Wow! What an interesting story! Thanks for finding that out Kweli! :eek:

I love the one where he tries to outwit the devil and doesnt get buried under the ground :D

[blokey]

Looks like somebody has already been inside judging by the house bricks blocking the door.

Might be empty.

EDIT:Seen another picture, doesn't look like housebricks http://flickr.com/photos/26005843@N07/2465941126

[marpat]

Looks a bit like the late Nubian kingdom style of pyramid.

Note obelisks in picture too.

[valghurich]

iv seen that quite alot but you dont think to pay attention, well atleast i never used to be but i want awake then. i have heard the storys behind it though, sitting at a table with the winning hand etc. would love to see whats really in it

[marpat]

iv seen that quite alot but you dont think to pay attention, well atleast i never used to be but i want awake then. i have heard the storys behind it though, sitting at a table with the winning hand etc. would love to see whats really in it


Its an entry point to the underworld. If you remove the bricks there will be a lift that goes down seven levels.

[beldazar]

you go first marpat, I will stand guard :D

[marpat]

you go first marpat, I will stand guard :D

You got it. Got my thermos and torch

[esse]

aah, nice example of it, but there's heaps of masonic shite in graveyards - obelisks and pyramids, usually not that big, sphinx like lions etc, symbols of masonry... they even have their own private funeral ceremonies for their members...

[pri01]

I see pyramids everywhere now. Everytime we enter a supermarket, especially the big players take a look above the enterance and you will almost likely be walking beneath a facet of a pyramid.

Above a lot of churches I've noticed that some of these are adorned with pyramid shaped structures. They're everywhere.

[astral_girl]

Wow! What an interesting story! Thanks for finding that out Kweli! :eek:

I love the one where he tries to outwit the devil and doesnt get buried under the ground :D

yes very good tale to it -thanks kweli :D:)

[eternal_spirit]

Built in the churchyard this was to be Mad Jack Fullers mausoleum. It was only allowed to be built by the Rector if a new Public House, replacing the one opposite the church, was to be built 1/2 mile away. This is currently a public house and restaurant known as the Jack Fullers . One final legend of the Pyramid, was that Jack Fuller was buried inside, sitting up wearing a Top hat and holding a bottle of claret, this may or may not be true.

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[eternal_spirit]

Mad' Jack Fuller http://richardwilson.typepad.com/the_optimists_almanac/images/2008/02/19/jack_fuller.jpg (http://richardwilson.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/19/jack_fuller.jpg)
He wasn’t mad, he was eccentric (http://johnmadjackfuller.homestead.com/), although he was buried in a pyramid-shaped tomb, which is a bit mad.
http://richardwilson.typepad.com/the_optimists_almanac/images/2008/02/19/fuller_folly.jpg (http://richardwilson.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/19/fuller_folly.jpg)
Jack spent considerable sums on the arts, science and making the landscape look interesting (http://johnmadjackfuller.homestead.com/FolliesList.html). He was the kind of person we should all aspire to be – a philanthropist.
I think I would rather be known as a philanthropist than anything else (not that I’ve done nothing to deserve the title) except, maybe, “a man of letters”. There was a time when BBC radio programmes were full of philanthropists and men of letters but almost since the advent of television, they’ve disappeared.

[qasrose]

I go past this almost all the time. and local historian Tom Slemen speaks about it in his books Haunted Liverpool.

The name of the person who is supposed to be buried inside it his name is William Mckenzie, and he was known as a gambler and rumor has it, is that he played a game of poker with the devil. And in return for loosing the devil would collect his soul but only if it was buried under ground. So William lost to him of course but in order to cheat the devil William put down in his will that he was not to be buried under the ground. So they constructed a Pyramid and inside William is sitting on a chair holding a winning poker hand.

I my self do not by this story because there are still plot holes in this.

Why would they build a Pyramid? Just doesn't make sence

[qasrose]

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I would love to try and find a way into the yard and take pictures on all sides of it, I do think it could be an entry to under ground. There also appears an inscription on that door too. It's very hard to read it because half has faded away.

[eternal_spirit]

http://johnmadjackfuller.homestead.com/files/burton_2.jpg

Jack Fuller was not the only Sussex worthy to be entombed in a pyramid. London builder, James Burton (1761-1837), is credited with creating the town of St. Leonards (near Hastings, East Sussex) as a seaside resort for the wealthy, between 1827 and 1837. His son Decimus Burton (http://www.answers.com/topic/decimus-burton-1?cat=entertainment) (http://www.riba-library.com/pordecbur.html)(1800-1881) continued building in the 1850s and 60s. Father, son and other family members are buried beneath the Burton pyramid located on West Hill Road, St Leonards overlooking the sea.



Burton's St. Leonards Society (http://www.1066.net/burtons/intro.htm)


http://johnmadjackfuller.homestead.com/files/burton_3.jpg


Killigrew Monument, Falmouth, Cornwall



The purpose of this pyramid shaped monument is unknown and it bears no inscription. It was originally erected by Martin Lister Killigrew (1666-1743) in 1737/1738 in the Grove adjacent to his home, Arwenack. Constructed by John Ragland, master-mason, the pyramid stands 40 feet (12 m) tall and has 14 foot (3.25 m) square base. It was moved to Landsdowne Rd in 1836 then to its present location at Arwenack Green in front of the old Manor House, in 1871.

http://johnmadjackfuller.homestead.com/files/falmouth.jpg

[tom bombadil]

Hi. Was it the film with Peter Sellers, Heavens Above!(I think) that had a 'burial' with a group that was super rich that involved a pointy tomb?

Edited to tell you all it was the movie Being There

[mercuryrapids]

Hi. Was it the film with Peter Sellers, Heavens Above!(I think) that had a 'burial' with a group that was super rich that involved a pointy tomb?

Edited to tell you all it was the movie Being There

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/being_there-movie.jpg

[tom bombadil]

Thank you mercuryrapids. I tried a few times to download that pic. Then gave up.

Tomm.

[panic_stricken]

i heard that tom slemen was trying to get permission to do an 'x ray' of this

[qasrose]

i heard that tom slemen was trying to get permission to do an 'x ray' of this

He's already taken an x ray shot at this site, and there's a ghost sitting on a grave which he captured. It's quite interesting

[mr_pixie]

Nice pics, some close ups would be nice.
I couldnt get any closer to it my hands were allready put through the bars to the photos.

One strange thing i've noticed already is.....

Look at the sunlight shining on the top of the pyramid...eeek!

Yeah, I nocticed that!

[mr_pixie]

Its an entry point to the underworld. If you remove the bricks there will be a lift that goes down seven levels.

Good spot! It could be true. I know someone who is freinds with Ickie and she rekons the Reptilian Base in England is under Liverpool ! And I know someone else who lives local who's heard of these lifts going down in hard to reach places, in other areas in Merseyside? :eek:

[noobcybot]

The leylines that link many graveyards in England were called spirit paths and no-one was meant to obstruct them for fear the spirits would e trapped. This does seem to infer that the leyline and leyline nodes throughout the earth are being used to capture and channel souls.

[kweli]

Thanks for all the photos guys. Interesting thread this.

[mr_pixie]

I go past this almost all the time. and local historian Tom Slemen speaks about it in his books Haunted Liverpool.

I'm not sure about Slemen? He does good research, but then doesnt conect the dots? :eek:

[pri01]

Which end and what side of Rodney Street is this graveyard on please? I'd like to take a look myself.

[mr_pixie]

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/being_there-movie.jpg

That EYE is too real!!!

[noobcybot]

And uhhh...is it me or does the Cornwall one have a creepy simulcrae/trapped sould face at the cap?

[mr_pixie]

He's already taken an x ray shot at this site, and there's a ghost sitting on a grave which he captured. It's quite interesting

There's a picture of this Mackenize Ghost just next to the road on the other side of the railings. It's in one of Slemen's Hunted Liverpool books, I've been trying to find it. so I can post it on here, but no luck. I'll see if I can the book scaned.

[mr_pixie]

Which end and what side of Rodney Street is this graveyard on please? I'd like to take a look myself.


I'm not very good with directions but I'll try. I'm not sure if Rondey Steet runs right across the main road walking up past the bombed out church, but if it does then turn left and it's half way down on the right hand side.

[pri01]

I'm not very good with directions but I'll try. I'm not sure if Rondey Steet runs right across the main road walking up past the bombed out church, but if it does then turn left and it's half way down on the right hand side.

Thanks. These fabulous finds are right on my doorstep and I didn't even notice.

[mr_pixie]

Thanks. These fabulous finds are right on my doorstep and I didn't even notice.

Your wellcome.

I've also found an Illuminati grave on Bidston hill (Birkenhead), I will be going up there soon to take my digatal camera for some pics. :D

plus there's a church in this Grave yard with Gargoyes and small stone work of a Pyramid+Eye and what I reckon was an Altar in the grave which is placed in the North, and anyone who know about the Ocult knows that Altars are put in the North

[curly]

The leylines that link many graveyards in England were called spirit paths and no-one was meant to obstruct them for fear the spirits would e trapped. This does seem to infer that the leyline and leyline nodes throughout the earth are being used to capture and channel souls.

where do you think those souls are going i've read about breton fishermen being woken up and beckoned by ghosts/souls to take them to britain and that fingals cave is where osiris presided in the halls of judgement.Bit off topic but that stuff interests me.

[justiceuk]

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So whats up with the Egyptian obelisk and the masons compass/setsq on the left headstone? Even the headstone on the right looks like some egyptian ritual with Bas and offerings, the ankh is worn tho. Maybe worth asking the crypt keeper (lol) for some info. Parish records would be good. Hell, who knows, could be the ark under there, or those scrolls from Rennes!

[tom bombadil]

You can see a blur on google earth!


Tom

[noobcybot]

where do you think those souls are going i've read about breton fishermen being woken up and beckoned by ghosts/souls to take them to britain and that fingals cave is where osiris presided in the halls of judgement.Bit off topic but that stuff interests me.

Well perhaps if the earth has meridian lines like the human body then the pyramids and such are like acupuncture needles. They could be used to channel energy for good or bad purposes, so for example the reptilains could use them to capture souls and keep them in the re-incarnation cycle in this "matrix" that some devilish entity has concocted. Some argue that the crop circles we see are an attempt by an empathetic alien race trying to release to locks so to speak. In scientology we see this concept in terms of thetans beings captured by king zenu. This of course seems absurd until we see that L.Ron was an in the black magic circles which take their influences from ancient Eygpt.

[noobcybot]

Do you know what company owns the large silver buildings next to it by any chance?

[qasrose]

Do you know what company owns the large silver buildings next to it by any chance?

That large silver building next to it is in fact John Mores University

or Liverpool Community College can not remember which one to be exact :(.

I still think these leads to an underground base of some sort. and the storys regarding it are just there to scare people off.

Mr Pixie you fancy a meet up and have a better look inside the grounds? there is an easy wall to climb to get into it. but a ladder is needed to get out lol..

[tits mcgee]

Have you read the inscription?

If so, what does it say?

[deany]

Looks like somebody has already been inside judging by the house bricks blocking the door.

Might be empty.

EDIT:Seen another picture, doesn't look like housebricks http://flickr.com/photos/26005843@N07/2465941126

blokey can you post this pic for me please? the internet site the link connects to is blocked in the Middle East for religious reasons :-(

[mercuryrapids]

blokey can you post this pic for me please? the internet site the link connects to is blocked in the Middle East for religious reasons :-(

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The tomb of James William McKenzie in Liverpool.

One cold foggy Sunday night in the autumn of 1871, 68-year-old Lionel Harland, a respected Rodney Street doctor, left his surgery and walked up Liverpool's Maryland Street, when he heard footsteps approaching.

The shadowy figure of a tall wiry man wearing a top hat and a flowing cape was emerging from the swirling fog, a hundred yards ahead. Dr Harland hesitated at the corner of Maryland and Rodney Street and felt a shiver run up his spine, even though he wore a heavy fur coat on this chilly September night.

The silhouette advanced towards the doctor with an almost military gait, and as it came within range of the flickering yellow flame of a lamppost, the elderly doctor saw to his horror that the approaching figure was the very same one he had encountered twenty years before. It was not a living person at all, but the ghostly shade of a dead man - a dead man the doctor had known personally many years ago.

It was the terrifying apparition of James William McKenzie, an evil and wicked man who gambled with the Devil and lost his soul as a result, forever condemned to walk the earth without rest until Judgement Day.

Before the doctor could cross the cobbled road to escape the terrifying ghost, the apparition let out a spiteful laugh and sneeringly said "Ha! Hospital Sunday!" The spectre was referring to a charity collection the doctor held on Sundays to raise funds for poor people needing hospital treatment.

Halfway across the road, Dr Harland was brave enough to take a single glance at the cursed phantom, and he almost fainted with fear. McKenzie's face looked as if it was lit up by a red flame, and his eyes were ink-black and lifeless. As the doctor shivered, the figure in black walked straight through the wall of the cemetery.

The trembling doctor reached the house of his friend Daniel Jackson in Blackburne Place, and after giving a garbled account of his meeting with McKenzie's ghost, he clutched his heart and collapsed onto the hearth rug. Mr Jackson and a servant managed to revive the doctor and gave him a shot of brandy.

Dr Harland nodded, then said "Mr Brocklebank; tell him about McKenzie. He knows the story"

Moments later, the surgeon quietly died in the fireside armchair.

The only Brocklebank Daniel Jackson knew of was the wealthy philanthropist and ship-owner Ralph Brocklebank, so after his friend's funeral, he forwarded a letter to the local tycoon about the strange story of Dr Harland, but did not expect a reply. He certainly did not expect a personal visit from the affluent Mr Brocklebank in response to his correspondence.

The 70-year-old millionaire paid his unexpected visit to Mr Jackson's house shortly before 11 pm. He alighted from a hansom cab in an anonymous black Ulster coat with a black felt fedora pulled over his eyes.

Brocklebank was led to the drawing room by a servant who he rudely dismissed with a wave of the hand. Daniel Jackson offered his illustrious guest a finely-cut tumbler of Hoagland's eight-year Scotch Whisky, rumoured to be Brocklebank's favourite tipple, but the mogul shook his head and in a cavalier manner he told his host to go over the story he'd related in the letter.

Mr Jackson gave his account of Dr Harland's final moments, and Brocklebank became very uneasy. He sat on the edge of the fireside armchair, jabbing the glowing coals of the fire with a poker with a tense expression.

After he had listened to Mr Jackson, he told a very strange story indeed which threw some light on the McKenzie ghost. It was a tale of greed, murder and the supernatural. Brocklebank seemed to see the events he described in the flames of the grate as he spoke.

He said, ";I remember James McKenzie. He was one of those people who are born old and crooked. Even then he was in his fifties. I was 25-years-old when I first met him, and your deceased friend was 23 and fresh out of medical school. McKenzie made and lost fortunes most men can only dream of. He backed the early railways and financed George Stephenson's locomotive machines. He was seen as pillar of the community and a backer of commerce and industry; but there was another unsavoury side to the man few people were aware of. He was a compulsive gambler and an ardent atheist. Someone told me that he put his family Bible on the fire after his sweetheart died from a fever. They say he hated God because of her death. And there were strange rumours about the man. In 1826, eleven bodies were found in barrels in the cargo hold of a ship at Liverpool Docks. The police traced the barrels to a house at Number 8 Hope Street. That house was being looked after by a James MacGowan, who was an associate of James McKenzie."

"Anyway, the police arrested Mr MacGowan after they found 22 corpses of men women and children that had been dug up from the local cemetery. Mr MacGowan refused to name names, but everyone suspected Mr MacKenzie of being the instigator. There were whispers that he had turned Number 8 Hope Street into a body-snatcher's warehouse, where the corpses were pickled in barrels, ready to be shipped to the medical schools in Scotland. The going rate was £15 per corpse, be it a man, woman or a baby. But MacKenzie needed the money."

"But in October 1850, something happened which I will never forget. McKenzie became acquainted with a mysterious gentleman known only as Mr Madison. Madison was the sharpest poker player McKenzie had ever met, and on this memorable occasion, they played a game throughout the night. McKenzie lost everything to the unbeatable Madison."

"Just before dawn, the weary and defeated McKenzie was making preparations to leave when Madison made a bizarre proposal. He said "One more game Mr McKenzie sir."

McKenzie was literally penniless and said he had nothing left to gamble for. Mr Madison said, "What about your soul?" McKenzie said,"This is not the time for jests, please leave" But Madison made it plain that he was not joking. He really did want to play a game of poker for McKenzie's soul."

"McKenzie nervously declined and said, ";I think I know who you are."

And Mr Madison said, "If you sir, are an atheist, then what have you to lose? For a man who does not believe in a creator cannot believe he was given a soul.";

McKenzie was too proud to acknowledge the existence of the Almighty, and the fool played a game of poker for his soul - and Mr Madison won. James McKenzie fell to his knees with fear when Mr Madison presented his winning hand, but his opponent, who was really the Devil laughed and said to him: ";Fear not, vain and defeated one. I will not take your soul until you are laid to rest in your grave" And when McKenzie glanced up, Mr Madison had vanished, but there was an aroma of something burning in the room.

This explains why Mr McKenzie was entombed in his little pyramid above ground sitting up at a card table with a winning poker hand.

It was his desperate attempt to cheat the Devil out of claiming his soul. As long as McKenzie's mortal remains are above ground, Lucifer can't claim his soul. but because McKenzie rejected eternal rest with God, he has condemned himself to walk the night as a restless ghost until Judgement Day."

When old Mr Brocklebank was leaving the house in Blackburne Place, Daniel Jackson said to him, "Sir, did you actually meet - you know who? Mr Madison?"

Before the millionaire walked off into the jade fog, he nodded twice and with a worried look, he replied: "You don't think I accumulated my wealth through hard work do you? But I'll have the devil to pay when my time comes......"

[deany]

cheers Mercury an excellent read!
I will keep an eye on this thread for any further additions to the story.

[kweli]

Thought this was pretty interesting, wouldn't mind taking a look down there:

The enigma of Liverpool's labyrinth

Tycoon Joseph Williamson dug a vast, bizarre network of tunnels under Liverpool almost 200 years ago. Were they the city's first job creation scheme, a rich man's whimsy or a shelter from the end of the world?

At ground level there is little clue to the secret harboured deep beneath the surface of Liverpool's Edge Hill area.
A church, a school, a police station and student accommodation for the nearby universities compete for space with a railway cutting and roads leading down to the city centre.

But tucked away on a side street is the entrance to a warren of tunnels hollowed out by an eccentric millionaire in the early 19th century.

They have been the stuff of Merseyside legend for decades but the truth is stranger than any fireside story.

Now with the opening of a section of tunnels, the public can for the first time gain access to the underground kingdom of Joseph Williamson, tobacco magnate, philanthropist, recluse and "mad mole".


Full article & photos: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2342183.stm

[americana]

I think it's a crying shame that this historic graveyard has been abandoned. As you can see from looking at the pyramid monument, foliage has started to grow from between the stones in one place just above and to the right of the "pediment" where there is that blue porcelain oval set into it. The roots could ruin the monument.

Sure, it's romantic and all to have the overgrown grounds, but it's doing a disservice to the memory of the dead. And, quite frankly, a disservice to all, as there is much to be learned from graveyards!

Lichens can do damage to stones, as well.

In addition, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the stones are in danger of toppling over, if they haven't been taken care of properly. I am judging from stones in the graveyard at my old church in Connecticut. Kids like to play in graveyards, and this is a dangerous situation.

I note that there is scaffolding around the church. Is someone restoring the building?

[mr_pixie]

Mr Pixie you fancy a meet up and have a better look inside the grounds? there is an easy wall to climb to get into it. but a ladder is needed to get out lol..

If anyone wants to meet up for a chat this Thursday at 6pm in a local pub, you can PM me. :)

[qasrose]

Some pictures I took today.

This one had these 2 logos on both sides of it
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/DSC00064.jpg

Freemason Grave??
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/DSC00074.jpg

Strange doller sign???
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/DSC00073.jpg

[qasrose]

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[2013]

Interesting pics there gasrose. notice how the dollar sign like the pound and probably a lot of symbols for money is serpent like ? That church yard when i lived in Liverpool in the late 70's early 80's was the subject of much debate about covens practicing there in the church .The story was that Pete burns was involved somehow with some of the people but then many weird stories surrounded him so have to take it as local legend.He did have a collection of human bones sent to him by Bryan Gregory of the cramps but they may of just been for shock value , but there was a lot of interest in the occult around the time and certain groups of people , that i recall .:eek:

[qasrose]

Interesting pics there gasrose. notice how the dollar sign like the pound and probably a lot of symbols for money is serpent like ? That church yard when i lived in Liverpool in the late 70's early 80's was the subject of much debate about covens practicing there in the church .The story was that Pete burns was involved somehow with some of the people but then many weird stories surrounded him so have to take it as local legend.He did have a collection of human bones sent to him by Bryan Gregory of the cramps but they may of just been for shock value , but there was a lot of interest in the occult around the time and certain groups of people , that i recall .:eek:

never knew that thanks for the information :D.

[deany]

was there any meeting/further investigation into this Liverpool Pyrmaid grave?

I'm interested to hear.

cheers

[qasrose]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/liverpool.jpg

[deany]

what's the background to that pic qarose?

[qasrose]

what's the background to that pic qarose?

It's from the movie V for Vendetta

[deany]

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[deany]

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come on liverpudlian brothers let us know more on this subject. did anybody do a meet up? a further scouting of the site?

[deany]

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[talkingchimp]

Mad' Jack Fuller http://richardwilson.typepad.com/the_optimists_almanac/images/2008/02/19/jack_fuller.jpg (http://richardwilson.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/19/jack_fuller.jpg)
He wasn’t mad, he was eccentric (http://johnmadjackfuller.homestead.com/), although he was buried in a pyramid-shaped tomb, which is a bit mad.
http://richardwilson.typepad.com/the_optimists_almanac/images/2008/02/19/fuller_folly.jpg (http://richardwilson.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/19/fuller_folly.jpg)
Jack spent considerable sums on the arts, science and making the landscape look interesting (http://johnmadjackfuller.homestead.com/FolliesList.html). He was the kind of person we should all aspire to be – a philanthropist.
I think I would rather be known as a philanthropist than anything else (not that I’ve done nothing to deserve the title) except, maybe, “a man of letters”. There was a time when BBC radio programmes were full of philanthropists and men of letters but almost since the advent of television, they’ve disappeared.

oh you mean like all the philanthropic foundations that the rothschilds and rockefellers have created to help 'humankind' let me give you a heads up here.............no rich bloke ever does something for nothing, thats why he's rich.

[curly]

bump

come on liverpudlian brothers let us know more on this subject. did anybody do a meet up? a further scouting of the site?

Maybe they're all dead:eek:.

[talkingchimp]

pyramid in liverpool? looks like the capstone of the giza pyramid, some scouse scally has nicked it!!

[curly]

pyramid in liverpool? looks like the capstone of the giza pyramid, some scouse scally has nicked it!!

list of undesirables not welcome in liverpool
1 the sun newspaper.
2 boris johnson.
3 talkingchimp. :D

[talkingchimp]

list of undesirables not welcome in liverpool
1 the sun newspaper.
2 boris johnson.
3 talkingchimp. :D

oh mate you are more right than you could possibly imagine!!

[deany]

it's sur[rising to me that this thread went so quiet after people were discussing a meet up/checking out of the grave etc....?

[2013]

Probably the graveyard contains a lot of masons graves as the area is one of the upperclass areas of the city where the doctors lawyers merchants had their offices i think .In death as in life they like to show off their wealth and power by elaborate gravestones or tombs .Back then it was probably pretty commonplace to show that you where or had masonic connections .A symbol of prestige perhaps at the time .:D

[deany]

more than likely 2013, cheers for that input. anybosy else?

[mr_pixie]

more than likely 2013, cheers for that input. anybosy else?

Yeah me, there's more photo's on the way but I've been having problems with my digital camera, I'm the one who keeps trying to bring people together in Liverpool but I got fed up with people leting me down.:mad:.


This thread isnt finished yet. :)

[qasrose]

Yeah me, there's more photo's on the way but I've been having problems with my digital camera, I'm the one who keeps trying to bring people together in Liverpool but I got fed up with people leting me down.:mad:.


This thread isnt finished yet. :)

Pixie, have you been inside the Angelic Cathedral so much symbolism inside there. can you get a close up of the pyramid door, as there seems to be an inscription of some sort. When I get my HD Camera back I'll take some HD Shots

[mr_pixie]

Pixie, have you been inside the Angelic Cathedral so much symbolism inside there. can you get a close up of the pyramid door, as there seems to be an inscription of some sort. When I get my HD Camera back I'll take some HD Shots

Know i havent been it there but I might check it out, plus I dont want to be climing fences and risk getting arested for it. So it's best that i dont behave in a crazy way man.

[deesee]

Guys

I'm very interested in connecting the dots between a lot of fascinating information within this thread which resonates strongly with what I have and do suspect about the entire region, even before my awakening, that the area is a strong vortex for spiritual energy, a Masonic stronghold and (consequently) a national paranormal epicentre.

The components of this are largely within the main areas mentioned here;

McKenzie's tomb; I have always been drawn to it and am definitely up for an investigation; There IS a picture of a ghost in a top hat stood outside the railings, in one of Slemen's books.

Bidston Hill - an area of huge interest; Sun symbolism and sun worship, ritual abuse/Satanism and sacrifice in the shape of rumoured Freemason and sexual deviant Richard Tilly. Tilly's tomb is up there unfounded and is definitely worth investigation.
Many paranormal groups have experienced activity and contact with spirit up on the hill.

St James' Cemetary - we all would know the Brotherhood credentials of King James and perhaps this link is strong within the Anglican Cathedral's own burial site; countless tales of spectres, paranormal activity, witchcraft, strange runes carved on the walls but critically, it is absolutely stocked with Masonic headstones full of symbolism. It is undoubted that this area was full of landowning, elite who all will have lived off the business around the port trade at the time of the City's maritime growth

Also, up in Rainford just outside Liverpool, lie the Crank Caverns, a hugely interesting site of underground tunnels, reputedly haunted and said to contain the burial sites of many sacrificed bodies, taken down there as part of an alleged monastery involved in Satanism; I have seen a thread under a google search of the Crank caverns wherein someone who had gotten down there had found a clearing and a room with an alter in and a stone gargoyle situated in the centre.
There is footage on youtube under Crank Caverns.

Part of the canverns have been covered over and earth dug on top by the Local Government but you can still squeeze through.

of course there are the expansive Williamson Tunnels which cover a huge area of central and southern Liverpool but only a small percentage of are available for public tour - whether this is connected to the other side of Liverpool's subterranean heritage is unknown as the reason for these tunnels, to provide labour to te thousands of unemployed, seems genuine but on reflection, there could well be a link.

I am alarmed to hear on here of Liverpool's subterranean Reptilian importance, but not surprised.

We also have Temple Steet, temple Mount, Mount Pleasant which leads to the Liverpool Masonic hall, the sun-worshipping emblem of ehich I will upload shots of for expert interpretation and several Masonic Arms pubs.

I am up for a meet up to either discuss or duly investigate of all of these areas; let's really see if we can uncover some explosive proof ourselves of the other side to our City's secret identity.

Those interested please reply.

[eternal_spirit]

Very good.
You missed one out. The fake castle at Winter Hill also known as Rivington Pike. It's a replica of a castle that was demolished in Liverpool 1720.
http://www.follytowers.com/rivington.html

Not been up there for years, but also remember what looked like ruins of old Roman buildings, nice place for a picnic and a bit of ghost hunting or whatever.

Speaking of energy lines, the second biggest TV tower/mast in Britian sits on top of the hill.

Crank Caverns we have a thread
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50716


Liverpool/St Helens are very new places, I think they only came to be because of the Industrial revolution.

The oldest places (with some recorded history from 10,00's) in that area are, Wigan, Huyton, Knowsley, Billinge.
Although before doomsday 1066+
Some of these places have older historys, but not much recorded. Such as tribal, farming communities existed before the Romans or Christianity reached Britian.

Take Billinge for example - Tribe of a man named Bil or Bila (:D)

It maybe to do with Bil/Bel/Baal, a name for Lord, or Phonecian sun God deity, So we have Bil and Linge, which may mean sun God's meadow or henge (henge means Linge) which means grass/meadow lands. Like Stone henge, ley lines.

Billinge hill is the highest point in Merseyside. Bill prob means hill. Reminds me of Glastonbury Tor.

There's been a stone circle erected right near the top off the hill in the past year or so.

So, I think this place and Winter hill may have some secret histories/mysteries and are part of the Earth's energy vortex etc etc.

[eternal_spirit]

quote:deesee
St James' Cemetary - we all would know the Brotherhood credentials of King James and perhaps this link is strong within the Anglican Cathedral's own burial site; countless tales of spectres, paranormal activity, witchcraft, strange runes carved on the walls but critically, it is absolutely stocked with Masonic headstones full of symbolism. It is undoubted that this area was full of landowning, elite who all will have lived off the business around the port trade at the time of the City's maritime growthI used to get a mix of vibes some very positive ones in some areas of the Anglican graveyard and some real bad ones. There's a big round sort of tower, looks a bit like a bandstand, someone rich must be buried there. Maybe about 20 to 30ft high, tried to climb up and get inside, but think you'd need a ladder or something.

http://johnmadjackfuller.homestead.com/files/burton_2.jpg

Jack Fuller was not the only Sussex worthy to be entombed in a pyramid. London builder, James Burton (1761-1837), is credited with creating the town of St. Leonards (near Hastings, East Sussex) as a seaside resort for the wealthy, between 1827 and 1837. His son Decimus Burton (http://www.answers.com/topic/decimus-burton-1?cat=entertainment)(1800-1881) continued building in the 1850s and 60s. Father, son and other family members are buried beneath the Burton pyramid located on West Hill Road, St Leonards overlooking the sea.



Burton's St. Leonards Society (http://www.1066.net/burtons/intro.htm)

I put my hand inside this one as far as I could reach, didn't pull out any old bones though, was grasping at thin air, but it was a spooky vibe and experience.

[deesee]

ES

Thank you for your pointing out of Billinge, its translation and consequent importance.

It fits in entirely with my line of thinking and deserves a trip to explore and sense its vibes.

Winter Hill is also of interest.

[anthony65]

The bottom photo on the Rivington link is spooky as hell..

http://www.follytowers.com/rivington.html

In fact, it looks like a gateway to hell...

Maybe it needs an energetic clean up? :D

[eric_blair]

Great thread, interesting information
Thanks for reminding me why I come here
:cool:

[eternal_spirit]

ES

Thank you for your pointing out of Billinge, its translation and consequent importance.

It fits in entirely with my line of thinking and deserves a trip to explore and sense its vibes.

Winter Hill is also of interest.

Not sure if I read that the stone from Billinge hill quarry was used in parts of the Anglican Cathedral.

I couldn't find any info last time I searched, will have another look later. May have even read it in a book years ago.
If you get to the top of Billinge Hill, hopefully it's a clear day, it's about the best view I've seen anywhere. A strong pair of binoculars is also a good idea.

[the infinite one]

"just a coincidence, nothing to worry about" - David Icke

:D

[deesee]

And if anyone fancies investigating the McKenzie site, please let me know.

[mr_pixie]

And if anyone fancies investigating the McKenzie site, please let me know.

Theres a chemtrail talk in Liverpool in two weeks why dont we just meet there??


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=778562#post778562

[brainstormer]

obelisks and pyramids, usually not that big...

This obelisk is in a graveyard in Edinburgh, you can see it from miles away:

http://www.edinburgharchitecture.co.uk/jpgs/calton_gaol.jpg

[armoured_amazon]

Maybe they're all dead:eek:.

lmfao

[scrotrot]

Theres a chemtrail talk in Liverpool in two weeks why dont we just meet there??

Whens this????

[entrangermercenary]

And if anyone fancies investigating the McKenzie site, please let me know.

The posts on this thread are v intresting, thank you all :)

Deesees post above is obviousley a scouse code word for lets meet up for some grave robbing :eek: :p

If anybody wants some semtex for the doors :) !!

[eternal_spirit]

The bottom photo on the Rivington link is spooky as hell..

http://www.follytowers.com/rivington.html

In fact, it looks like a gateway to hell...

Maybe it needs an energetic clean up? :D

:D

Can see where they've bricked up the door! A place of refuge from the storms for hundreds of years, the Council have a habit of doing this.

There's also a small building one on top of Billinge Hill too, that you can't get in no more.
The door used to open and close, now it's bolted shut and covered with what seems like bullet proof metal:(
Used to close the door and be in total darkness, aim was for kids to trick one to go in first and the others would press against the door and listen to the one alone scream aghh let me out **** *****

Real spooky if you were tripping. People would spend all night.

Used to be great, even had an upstairs.

[diamond dogs]

Has anyone commented on the perfect pyramid shape of the bush to the left in the pic...it is either deliberately topiary cut or there is a thread about pyramid shaped foliage on ley lines... Has it been clarified if the site is on or near any ley lines?

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh108/Lizardhunter/P1290044.jpg


I will be visiting this one very soon (at Blickling Hall Norfolk) so I will be uploading some pics it measures 45' along each straight it is modelled on the tomb of Caius Cestius (or so the story goes) Built in 1796-7 it cost a fortune at the time £2,270 4s 6d... It houses the second Earl of Buckinghamshire John Hobart and his two wives. He died in mysterious circumstances..
http://norfolkcoast.co.uk/curiosities/cu_pyramid.htm


http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6797/blicklingpe1.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blicklingpe1.jpg)

[brainstormer]

here's another angle of the obelisk I posted earlier... maybe those names might make some sense to people here?

*these are not my photographs, and when I get the chance, I'll get up there and get some decent shots with all the writing, the pictures I've posted so far don't depict the true size of it, it is seriously HUGE!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/2728013540_ea13132631.jpg?v=0

[eternal_spirit]

Gerald Gardner
This man is now widely regarded as "the father" of modern witchcraft,

Witchcraft Today was the book which gained him a high reputation and
is today regarded as the Wiccan "bible".

He had been born into an affluent home, the Glen on The Serpentine,
Blundellsands, Crosby, the son of Robert William Gardner, a partner
in the firm of Joseph Gardner and Sons, founded in 1748, which
advanced from block and mast making to become the world's largest
importer of hardwood.

By the time of Gerald Brosseau Gardner's birth on June 13, 1884, the
family fortune was well-established, making them part of that
Victorian elite, who claimed Liverpool to be the second city of the
British Empire.

They lived in a fine house near the sea, but the boy's poor health
was a cause of concern to the family and, on the suggestion of their
doctor, they decided to send him abroad to avoid the English winters.

In 1916, he had hoped to enlist in the Army for service on the
Western Front, but was rejected because of his poor health, though he
did work for a while as a hospital orderly in Liverpool. A recurrence
of malaria persuaded him to return to Malaya.

An acquaintance of Gardner was the infamous Aleister Crowley

But in 1927, Gardner was back in England, studying Welsh folklore at
the British Museum. There was a total eclipse of the sun on June 29,
the only one in England during his lifetime, and the line of totality
passed over his home in Blundellsands.

His life was one of discovery. He was certainly influenced by a cult
which toiled under the name of The Rosicrucian Order Crotona Fellow-
ship and the Rite of Egyptian Mysteries. This was founded and led by
George Alexander Sullivan, a Liverpudlian, who lived for a time in
Tynemouth Street, Everton. (maybe this man is buried locally) Gardener was buried abroad

[astrochicken]

I was going to say "where's the obelisk?" and there it is...

Matt Delooze is definetly on to something as regards the energy involved.

Find any pyramid and you can be sure there's an accompanying obelisk.

[ilponn]

very intresting i was commisioned to draw lots of old graves , got to like them just for the designs : )

[mr_pixie]

Whens this????



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52426

[scrotrot]

cool see you there