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10-07-2008, 02:48 PM
the House of Habsburg

Flag of the Habsburg Monarchy; also used as the flag of the Austrian Empire until the Ausgleich of 1867.

Coats of arms of a Habsburg Emperor showing the variety of his territories

Habsburg (in English sometimes written "Hapsburg") and the successor family, Habsburg-Lorraine, were (ARE) important ruling house(s) of Europe and are best known as the ruling Houses of Austria (and the Austrian Empire) for over six centuries.

Their principal roles were as:

* Kings of Germany (several centuries to 1806), mostly also as
* Holy Roman Emperors, and
* Rulers of Austria (as Dukes 1282–1453, Archdukes 1453–1804, and Emperors 1804–1918),
* Kings of Bohemia (1306, 1437–1457 1526–1918),
* Kings of Hungary (1437–1439, 1445–1457, 1526–1918),
* Kings of Croatia (1437–1439, 1445–1457, 1527–1918),
* Kings of Spain (1516–1700),
* Kings of Portugal (1580–1640),
* Kings of Galizia and Lodomeria (1772–1918), and
* Grand Princes of Transylvania (1690–1867).
* Grand Dukes of Tuscany (1737–1801; 1814–1860).
* Archdukes of Austria-Este {1771**.

Other crowns held briefly by the House included:

* King-consort of England (1554–1558)
* Dukes of Parma (1814–1847)
* Dukes of Modena (1814–1859)
* Emperor of Mexico (1864–1867)

Numerous other titles were attached to the crowns listed above.

From Counts of Habsburg to Roman Emperors

Coats of arms of early counts of Habsburg

The name is derived from the Swiss Habichtsburg (Hawk Castle), the family seat in the 11th, 12th and 13th centuries at Habsburg in the former duchy of Swabia in present-day Switzerland (Switzerland did not exist then in its present form, and the Swiss lands were part of the mainly Germanic Holy Roman Empire). From southwestern Germany (mainly Alsace, Breisgau, Aargau and Thurgau) the family extended its influence and holdings to the southeastern reaches of the Holy Roman Empire, roughly today's Austria (1278–1382). Within only two or three generations, the Habsburgs had managed to secure an initially intermittent grasp on the imperial throne that would last for centuries (1273–1291, 1298–1308, 1438–1740, and 1745–1806).

After the marriage of Maximilian I with Mary, heiress of Burgundy (which controlled the low countries) and the marriage of his son Philip the Handsome with Juana, heiress of Spain and its newly-founded empire, Charles V inherited Spain, Southern Italy, Austria and the Low Countries. In 1580 his son Philip II inherited Portugal and its colonies.

Under Maximilian II, the Habsburgs first acquired the land upon which would later be erected the Schönbrunn Palace, the Habsburgs' summer palace in Vienna and one of the most enduring symbols of the dynasty.

Division of the House: Austrian and Spanish Habsburgs

After the April 21, 1521 assignment of the Austrian lands to Ferdinand I from his brother Emperor Charles V (also King Charles I of Spain) (1516–1556), the dynasty split into one Austrian and one Spanish branch. The Austrian Habsburgs held (after 1556) the title of Holy Roman Emperor, as well as the Habsburg Hereditary Lands and the Kingdoms of Bohemia and Hungary, while the Spanish Habsburgs ruled over the Spanish kingdoms, the Netherlands, the Habsburgs' Italian possessions, and, for a time, Portugal. Hungary, nominally under Habsburg kingship from 1526 but mostly under Ottoman Turkish occupation for 150 years, was reconquered in 1683–1699.

The Spanish Habsburgs died out in 1700 (prompting the War of the Spanish Succession), as did the Austrian Habsburgs in 1740 (prompting the War of the Austrian Succession). However, the heiress of the last Austrian Habsburg (Maria Theresa) had married Francis Stephan, Duke of Lorraine, (both of them were great-grandchildren of Habsburg Emperor Ferdinand III, but from different empresses) and their descendants carried on the Habsburg tradition from Vienna under the dynastic name Habsburg-Lorraine. (It is often speculated that extensive intra-family marriages within both lines contributed to their extinctions, but there were few such marriages in the Austrian line. Smallpox killing young heirs was a greater cause.)

House of Habsburg-Lorraine: the Austrian Empire

On August 6, 1806 the Holy Roman Empire was dissolved under the French Emperor Napoleon I's reorganisation of Germany. However, in anticipation of the loss of his title of Holy Roman Emperor, Francis II declared himself hereditary Emperor of Austria (as Francis I, thereof) on August 11, 1804, three months after Napoleon had declared himself Emperor of the French on May 18, 1804.

Emperor Francis I of Austria used the official great title: "We, Francis the First, by the grace of God Emperor of Austria; King of Jerusalem, Hungary, Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia, Galicia, and Lodomeria; Archduke of Austria; Duke of Lorraine, Salzburg, Würzburg, Franconia, Styria, Carinthia, and Carniola; Grand Duke of Kraków; Grand Prince of Transylvania; Margrave of Moravia; Duke of Sandomir, Masovia, Lublin, Upper and Lower Silesia, Auschwitz and Zator, Teschen, and Friule; Prince of Berchtesgaden and Mergentheim; Princely Count of Habsburg, Gorizia, and Gradisca and of the Tyrol; and Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia and Istria".

In 1867 effective autonomy was given to Hungary under the terms of the Ausgleich or "compromise" (see Austria-Hungary) until the Habsburgs' deposition from both Austria and Hungary in 1918 following defeat in World War I.

The current head of the Habsburg family is Otto von Habsburg, Emperor Karl's eldest son.

A map of the dominion of the Habsburgs following the Battle of Mühlberg (1547) as depicted in The Cambridge Modern History Atlas (1912); Habsburg lands are shaded green. Not shaded are the lands of the Holy Roman Empire over which the Habsburgs presided, nor are the vast Castilian holdings outside of Europe, and particularly in the New World, shown.
House of Habsburg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

interesting book, also the three 6's jumped my eye for some reason..

Descendants of William the Conqueror

In modern times, from 1815 onwards the United Kingdom of the Netherlands was established by the Congress of Vienna and William I of the Netherlands was made King of the Netherlands (Latin: rex belgium). The Belgian Revolution of 1830 caused a split in the kingdom between the North and the South. Neither he or his descendants made any claims to the title of count of Flanders after 1839, when a peace treaty between the Kingdom of the Netherlands and Belgium was signed.
Count of Flanders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Coat of arms of the Counts of Flanders

Statue of Queen Elisabeth of Austria (Sissi) sometimes written with only one s - Sisi (Isis)

opposite the railway station, this monument is a memorial of probably the best loved queen ever.

all in black - obvious BLACK MADONNA reference..

The Templar Revelation identifies Isis as the Black Madonna,

10-07-2008, 02:54 PM
on the old forum i once had an debate with some ''expert'' guy proclaiming the Jesuits destroyed the Habsburgs!
now that was funny :D
the same guy is somewhat considered to be an authority on the Vatican/jesuits even tho he never mentions two of the most important powers (families) behind the whole Vatican Structure! one being the family almost synonym with the title HOLY ROMAN EMPEROR for centuries ! the other being the family who runs the vatican treasury. now both these families have close connections. and both of them have their ''base'' in germany.
btw the german flag tells us who runs things over there

the Yellow/black plus the RED.. gee if that isn't obvious i dunno..
especially when the symbolism fits the facts.

anyway let's stay with flags for a moment. or to be more accurate with HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE FLAGS (telling you who ran things)

Holy Roman Empire (800–1200) Habsburgs rule

Holy Roman Empire (1200-1350) Savoys have a go

Holy Roman Empire (1350–1400) Habsburgs take the lead again

Holy Roman Empire (1400–1806) and still Habsburgs

now with the past in mind what on earth makes people think things changed?
especially when the Vatican has nothing but love and praise for Otto!


read the whole article to get a feeling for how much love the vatican has for Otto. i just wanna point out a little detail regarding the oh so powerful popes.

and even maintained a discreet distance while the Vatican pursued the beatification of his father, wanting to avoid even the appearance of political intrusion in ecclesiastical affairs. But like his ancestors, quietly and behind the scenes, he has been a loyal friend and stalwart defender of a century's succession of popes. He often met privately with Pope John Paul II (with whom he shared a special bond because the Pope's father had served as a military officer under Emperor Karl), and has continued to do so with Benedict XVI, whom he already knew from his many years in Catholic Bavaria.

Otto von Habsburg meets Pope Benedict XVI

A memorable incident captures Archduke Otto in the quintessentially Habsburg role as defender of the pope. When Pope John Paul II visited Strasbourg to address the European Parliament in 1988, he had barely begun to speak when a parliamentarian from Northern Ireland -- the anti-Catholic extremist Rev. Ian Paisley -- jumped up shouting that John Paul was the anti-Christ, while unfurling a banner proclaiming the same message. In almost the same instant, Bavarian parliamentarian Otto von Habsburg was on his feet and down the aisle, grabbing the banner from Paisley's hand and, with several others, escorting him out of the chamber

wow they really put a lot of effort in to selling us Otto as GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER.
of course you could choose to believe this whole incident wasn't staged. :rolleyes:

10-07-2008, 02:57 PM
Habsburgs gathering to Zita of Bourbon-Parma's 90th birthday (1982)..Otto's Mother

the current Head of the House of Habsburg is Otto von Habsburg born 20 November 1912 (as Archduke Franz Joseph Otto Robert Maria Anton Karl Max Heinrich Sixtus Xaver Felix Renatus Ludwig Gaetan Pius Ignatius of Austria)
Head of many Orders, one being the ''Austrian'' Branch of the Golden Fleece.

Family life

Otto has been married since 1951 to Princess Regina of Saxe-Meiningen and Hildburghausen. The couple have seven children and 22 grandchildren:

* Archduchess Andrea of Austria (1953). Married Hereditary Count Karl Eugen of Neipperg. They have three sons and two daughters.
* Archduchess Monika of Austria (1954). Married Luis Gonzaga de Casanova-Cárdenas y Barón, Duke of Santangelo, Marquess of Elche, Count of Lodosa and Grandee of Spain, who is a descendant of Infanta Dońa Luisa Teresa of Spain, Duchess of Sessa and sister of Francisco de Asís, King-Consort of Spain. They have four sons.
* Archduchess Michaela of Austria (1954). Monika's twin sister. Married firstly Eric Teran d'Antin, and secondly Count Hubertus of Kageneck. She has two sons and a daughter from her first marriage. Twice divorced.
* Archduchess Gabriela of Austria (1956). Married Christian Meister in 1978, divorced in 1997. She has a son and two daughters.
* Archduchess Walburga of Austria (1958). Married Count Archibald Douglas, from the Swedish nobility. They have a son.
* Archduke Karl of Austria (born 11 January 1961), the presumptive future head of the Habsburg family, married Baroness Francesca Thyssen-Bornemisza (daughter of Baron Hans Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza) in 1993. They have two daughters and a son. They separated amicably in 2003.
o Eleonore (1994-)
o Ferdinand Zvonimir (1997-)
o Gloria (1999-)
* Archduke Georg of Austria (1964). Married Duchess Eilika of Oldenburg. They have two daughters and a son.
o Zsófia (2001-)
o Ildikó (2002-)
o Károly-Konstantin (2004-)

Otto and his wife reside at the "Villa Austria" in Pöcking near the lake Starnberger See, Bavaria, Germany.

10-07-2008, 03:00 PM
Otto and his two sons, Georg and Karl

let's start with Georg (György)

Georg was born on 16. Dezember 1964 at 8:00 Uhr in Starnberg.

full Name: Paul Georg Maria Joseph Dominikus; baptized by POPE Paul VI.

on 18. Oktober 1997 he married Herzogin Eilika von Oldenburg at the St. Stephans-Basilika in Budapest.

he got three children

Sophie (* 12.01.2001).
Ildiko (* 06.06.2002).
Karl Konstantin (* 20.07.2004)

György Habsburg, President, Hungarian Red Cross, Budapest, Hungary.
György Habsburg is president of the Hungarian Red Cross, Hungary’s largest organization, in addition to serving as an ambassador at large for the Hungarian Prime Ministers office. He is also Head of the Office of Dr. Otto von Habsburg, building up the Pan European Movement, the most important Hungarian Movement for European Integration, and acts as a Senator of the Technical University of Budapest.
From 1993-97 György was the director of MTM Communications, the largest film producer and distributor company of Central Europe. During this time he was co-author of the project paper for private television in Central Europe, which led to the Hungarian Media Law and later MTM won the first license for private television in Hungary. György was previously a producer of religious and political documentaries with Markus Film in Munich and served as a free-lance journalist for several European newspapers. He is the president of the Supervisory Board of the Messer Group of Central Europe, managing director of EUTOP Budapest, and a member of the International Council of the Instituto de Empresa. György has also the diploma from the Sociedad Cervantina in Madrid in 1985 and has studied at the University of Innsbruck, Austria, and Ludwig-Maximilian University, Munich. He and his wife and three children live in Soskut, Hungary.


ok that's it for now with Georg, he'll pop up again i'm sure but let's look at the other son - Karl Habsburg

here with father inside the European parliament in Strasbourg. interesting numbers i thought.
especially the 223 is significant imo. i think it is associated with the Knights of Malta. seeing as their address reads World Headquarters 223, St Paul Street, Valletta, Malta. he's a member btw, as he's member of many Orders. also very active in the PAN European Movement.

anyway, Karl was born on 11. January 1961 at 10:00 Uhr in Starnberg.
baptized on 18. Januar 1961

Married Baroness Francesca von Thyssen-Bornemisza on 31 January 1993
they have 3 children, like his Brother
Eleonore (* 28.02.1994).
Ferdinand Zvonimir (* 21.06.1997).
Gloria (* 15.10.1999)

dude's horoscope is ''funny'' btw


10-07-2008, 03:03 PM
Hapsburg-Rothschild/De Medicis

I include a report from Jim Marrs which he sent to me. There is a great deal of importance in this if you also know who the Rothschilds are before their De Medicis relations like St. Germain gave them the spy network and Templar financial monopoly.

“At the turn of the 20th century, Emperor Franz Josef of Austria self published an extraordinary book, bound in green leather with a gold tipped binding, engraved and embossed plates of copper, steel and zinc. It was entitled, “An Ehren Und An Siegen Reich” (Toward an Honorable and Victorious Reich) {N.B. – This is what we are seeing carried out by Bush and Kissinger.** and was edited by a Dr. Joseph Alexander Freiherr von Helfert. It was a handmade one-of-a-kind book and apparently no more than five copies were published. Readership was limited to Habsburg family members. In this volume was a detailed history of the Habsburgs and the Holy Roman Empire and the prognostication of an coming Austrian-German super state. Each chapter had a different design and topic, covering the various aspects of the nation’s history. One of these copies ended up in the hands of Adolf Hitler who kept it secured during World War II. At the end of the war, a British soldier found the book in the ruins of Hitler’s chancellery and took it as a souvenir. In the late 1980s, this fellow died and the book passed it to his son who, not realizing the full worth of the book but knowing that it was an expensive volume, gave it to Jim Delittoso of Phoenix, AZ, to repay a loan which allowed him to return to Ireland and bury his father. Delittoso had the book appraised by Abe Feder, a Phoenix book appraiser who once worked for the Museum of Natural History in NYC. In 1997, Feder studied the book for several months. At least two persons participated in its translation. Feder told Jim Marrs, “I have never seen a book like this.” His appraisal of the book was essentially that it was “priceless”. In March, 1999, Jim Marrs visited Phoenix for the sole purpose of viewing this book. But, in a strange set of circumstances, the book was missing. A business associate of Delittoso had borrowed the book to use as collateral for a loan. The man who made the loan, let a business partner borrow the book. This fellow sold the book to another man for an undisclosed price. This man, in turn, sold it to another person, whose name has never become known. There was considerable speculation that someone along this line realized the importance of the book and secreted it away. However, Marrs has color photos of the book and interviewed a number of persons who had seen and/or studied the book. The amazing story recounted in this uncommon book is how the Habsburg line was infused with Jewish blood during the time of the 3rd Crusade. It seems that Frederick I Barbarossa, crowned emperor of the Holy Roman Empire in 1155 had a sickly son named Albrecht I by his wife Margaret, daughter of Gustav, king of Sweden. Frederick took his family with him to the Holy Land and while there took a Jewish wife named Rebeccah, who bore him a son who was named Albrecht II. Frederick died before returning home and Albrecht I was killed by assassins. Eventually Margaret and Albrecht II returned and Albrecht began a line including Albrecht III and IV leading to the Emperor Maximilian and the later Habsburg line. The name Rothschild is conspicuously mentioned in Franz Joseph’s book, indicating that this Jewish family is a part of the bloodline stemming from Albrecht II. This part of the Habsburg history was carefully hidden for years. Apparently Franz Josef decided it was time that the entire family learned of their heritage and published his extraordinary book.”

Otto von Habsburg in Herend

Dr. Otto von Habsburg, President of the Paneuropean Union, and his wife visited Herend on 8th October.

In attendance were István Bors, Mayor of Tihany, and Csaba Kuti, President of the General Assembly of the Veszprém County Local Government.

Greeted in Herend by General Director Dr. Attila Simon, the guests visited the Mini-manufactory and the Apicius Coffee House and were presented with the special gift of the Manufactory, a baroque-style vase with the Rothschild décor.
Otto von Habsburg was enchanted by the items made in the Manufactory, especially by the forms and décors designed for Franz Joseph and his wife, Empress Sisi.

10-07-2008, 03:06 PM
What is emerging in Europe is a new Holy European Empire, an attempt to resurrect the old Holy Roman Empire that existed under the Pope. This is becoming increasingly blatant. The Vatican is playing a major role in the creation of the new European Empire, and Catholic social values — so-called “Christian Socialism” — are at its heart. The present Pope has repeatedly called for religious unity in Europe. This means a united, Catholic Europe, which was consecrated to Mary by the Vatican in 1309.

When I visited Strasbourg, the French city near the German border which, with Brussels, co-hosts the European Parliament, I was introduced to the head of the house of Habsburg, Otto von Habsburg, a man whose family dominated Europe for centuries. Full of charm and intelligence, he said that instead of war, a great new Europe could be built on peaceful cooperation. His ideas go far beyond this, however.
In his book, The Social Order of Tomorrow, he writes:

Now we do possess a European symbol which belongs to all nations equally. This is the crown of the Holy Roman Empire, which embodies the tradition of Charlemagne, the ruler of a united occident . . . the Crown represents not merely the sovereignty of the monarch, but also the ties between authority and the people. True, it is the monarch who is crowned, but in this sacred act he appears as the representative of the whole people. It should therefore be considered whether the European head of state, as the protector of European law and justice, should not also become the guardian of a symbol which, more than any other, represents the sovereignty of the European community.

Dr. Habsburg wants to see Europe have an elected head of state — a man elected for life. This influence of both Charlemagne and the Habsburgs hangs heavily over the new federal Europe. The crown of Char­lemagne, the first person to attempt to revive the Roman Empire in 800 AD, is an inspiration to those who promote the breaking down of nation states, and a Charlemagne prize has been established for those who work hardest for European unity. One who did was ex-President Clinton, who in June 2000, was the first American president to receive the Charlemagne prize for his work in promoting European unity. He received the prize at the cathedral in Aachen, Germany, where the first Holy Roman Emperor lies buried. Clinton called for an enlargement of the EU to even take in Russia.

the September 1979 Plain Truth article contained some more history we must review. It was written shortly after Otto von Habsburg, the eldest son of the last Austro-Hungarian emperor, was elected “as one of West Germany’s 81 representatives to the enlarged and strengthened European Parliament in Strasbourg, France.” It explained some of the positions von Habsburg had taken: “On the United Nations, he has declared that the organization is dominated by ‘anti-European illiterates, despots and cannibals.’ …

“Possibly von Habsburg’s most controversial suggestion has been his recipe for dealing with national emergencies. In the April 1978 issue of his conservative publication Zeitbühne, he suggested that in certain emergency situations (such as nuclear blackmail or other major acts of terrorism) governments should let a strongman take over for a period of nine months, allowing him to suspend laws and ‘take all measure necessary for the maintenance of the life of the population.’

“As could be expected, vocal criticism of this one-man-rule scheme was swift in coming. …

“Interestingly, von Habsburg counts Bavarian leader Franz Josef Strauss among ‘the few full-blooded politicians’ who ‘in the case of serious national crises are able to accept responsibility because of their clear-sightedness and indomitableness.’ Von Habsburg says he is ‘personally pretty close to his [Strauss’s] ideas in many ways on the European unity subject.' [So Strauss was also the father of many of Habsburg’s EU ideas.] …


10-07-2008, 03:08 PM
Walburga Habsburg

one of Otto's 5 daughters

so that guy Otto whom the vatican will tell us, no sorry, will push it down our throats how much of a leading light for Christians he is.
well the name he gave his daughter sounds pretty much like Walpurgisnacht (or Hexennacht, meaning Witches' Night)
and i found it very ''coincidental'' that when talking bout Walpurgisnacht on wiki they show u this photo
Walpurgis Night bonfire in Sweden.
Walpurgis Night - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Archduchess Walburga of Austria (Walburga Maria Franziska Helene Elisabeth von Habsburg-Lothringen) Archduchess and Princess Imperial of Austria, Princess Royal of Hungary and Bohemia, Countess Douglas, (5 October 1958 - ) in Schloss Berg, Luxemburg, the daughter of Otto, Crown Prince of Austria and Princess Regina of Saxe-Meiningen. She is a German-Swedish lawyer and politician and a member of the Swedish Parliament since 2006. In Swedish political discourse Walburga is known as Walburga Habsburg Douglas.

Walburga married the Swedish Count Archibald Douglas on 5 December 1992 in Budapest, Hungary. They have one son, Count Moritz Otto Wenzel Douglas (born 30 March 1994)

Professional career

After her Abitur graduation in 1977 in Tutzing, Bavaria, she went to law school in Salzburg.

From 1979 to 1992 she worked as an assistant at the European Parliament. In 1983 she studied at the National Journalism Centre in Washington, D.C. and worked at the office of Reader's Digest in the same city. She worked for the Ministry of Information of the Sultanate of Oman from 1985-1992, and in 2004 she became a member of the board of the Arab International Media Forum in London.

Political career

In 1973 she co-founded Paneuropa-Jugend Deutschland, and was its chairman in Bavaria, and vice chairman on the national level. In 1977 she founded Brüsewitz-Zentrum (Christlich-Paneuropäisches Studienwerk). From 1980 to 1988 she was assistant international Secretary General of the international Paneuropean Union, 1988 to 2004 she was its Secretary General and she is its executive vice chairman since 2004.

She was one of the organizers of the Paneuropa-Picknick at the Iron Curtain on the 19 August 1989, on the border between Hungary and Austria. At this occasion, the fence was opened for the first time, letting more than 660 Germans from the GDR escape from the east. This was the largest amount of escapers since the Berlin Wall was built and is seen by many as one of the main symbols of the fall of Eastern European Communism.

Since 2003 she is the chairwoman of the local branch of the Swedish Moderate Party in Flen and on the board of the regional organisation of the party in Södermanland. She is a member of the board of the Jarl Hjalmarson Foundation since 2005, a foundation closely linked to the Moderate Party.

In 1999 and 2004 she ran for the European Parliament for the Moderate Party, in 2002 and 2006 she ran for the national parliament (riksdagen). She was elected, September 17, 2006 to the Swedish Parliament, in an election which showed the greatest support for the Moderate Party since 1928. Chairman of the Swedish Parliamentary delegation to the OSCE since 2006.
Walburga Habsburg Douglas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Princess brings a touch of Europe to Stockholm

As a member of the Swedish parliament she might still be wet behind the ears, but Walburga Habsburg Douglas is no stranger to politics. A princess and the granddaughter of the last Austro-Hungarian emperor, she comes from a family that has shaped much of modern Europe.

A lifelong supporter of greater European integration, Habsburg Douglas says she hopes to be a European voice in the new Swedish Riksdag.

Habsburg Douglas, newly elected to represent the Moderate Party, was brought up near Munich. Long before arriving in Sweden 14 years ago she was involved in the International Paneuropean Union, of which she was secretary general between 1988 and 2004.

Through this, she helped organize the 1989 ‘Paneuropean Picnic’, in which participants cut the barbed wire between Hungary and Austria, allowing 600 people to flee from behind the disintegrating Iron Curtain.
(lol, see how they fix around with numbers to incorporate those little satanic jokes ? on wiki we had 660 people fled now we have 600)

Why did you get involved in Swedish politics?

When I moved to Sweden, I thought it would be good to get more involved in my new home country. I was always very involved in European questions, and I moved here at a time when people were discussing whether Sweden should enter the EU. Because of my experience, people started asking me to participate in debates, which got me involved.

I then went on to join the local council in Flen, in Sörmland – when you come to a new country you want to understand how things work, and joining the council was a very good way of doing this.

How about learning the language?

My desire to get involved in Swedish politics certainly helped motivate me to learn. Besides, since I had married a farmer in Sweden, I knew that this was where we would stay, so I had to learn Swedish.

The political language came as I learnt – whenever I have a conversation, it usually revolves around politics, so it came quite naturally. My husband tried to teach me using articles from the Swedish newspapers.

How does your family background influence your politics?

When you’re born into any family, you are raised with a certan view of the world – in my family we talk about politics a lot.

I also think that coming from a part of Europe where there are lots of peoples and languages has helped give me a different view – I have a very wide network in Europe.

How can Sweden help immigrants integrate into society?

I think a lot of this is about tolerance and respect. But also I think that what we managed to achieve at the Moderate Party in Flen was a good way to start – of our list of 20 candidates for the council, 6 were foreigners, of which 3 had non-European backgrounds.

How can immigrants get more involved?

I started by going to SFI ['Svenska för Invandrare' Swedish lessons]. There I was able to learn social studies as well.

I think the key is to try to meet people and try to make your voice heard. For me politics was a very good way into society – it’s better than sitting and waiting for things to happen.

How does your experience during the fall of the Iron Curtain influence your politics today?

In the Paneuropean movement we’ve always said that pan-Europe must mean the whole of Europe. For us, the main aim of European union was to get in touch with Europeans behind the Iron Curtain.

Today, I think that anyone who fulfills the criteria for joining the European Union should be allowed in – enlargement isn’t finished with Romania and Bulgaria. The next countries we have to look at include the former Yugoslavia, Moldavia, Albania, Ukraine and others – they’re all interested in joining the European Union.



10-07-2008, 03:09 PM
Dracula's Castle

and it's current owner

Dominic Habsburg, Erzherzog von Österreich (Archduke of Austria)
born 4 July 1937

Father Anton Erzherzog von Österreich2 b. 20 March 1901, d. 22 October 1987
Mother Ileana von Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, Princess of Romania2 b. 5 January 1909, d. 21 January 1991

Dominic Habsburg, Erzherzog von Österreich was born on 4 July 1937 in Sonnberg Castle, Sonnberg, Austria.
He is the son of Anton Erzherzog von Österreich and Ileana von Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, Princess of Romania.
He married Engel von Voss, daughter of Friedrich Ditlev von Voss and Mildred McKibben, on 11 June 1960 in Houston, Texas, U.S.A..2


Dominic Habsburg, Erzherzog von Österreich gained the title of Erzherzog von Österreich. He gained the title of Principe Dominic di Toscana.
He was baptised with the name of Dominic von Habsburg-Lothringen. His name was legally changed to Dominic Habsburg.

1. Sandor von Habsburg-Lothringen b. 13 Feb 19652
2. Gregor von Habsburg-Lothringen b. 20 Nov 19682

Habsburg heir puts 'Dracula's Castle' up for sale in Transylvania

BUCHAREST, Romania (AP) - An heir of Romania's former royal family put "Dracula's Castle" in Transylvania up for sale Monday, hoping to secure a buyer who will respect "the property and its history," a U.S.-based investment company said.

The Bran Castle, perched on a cliff near Brasov in mountainous central Romania, is a top tourist attraction because of its ties to Prince Vlad the Impaler, the warlord whose cruelty inspired Bram Stoker's 1897 novel, "Dracula."

Legend has it that Vlad, who earned his nickname because of the way he tortured his enemies, spent one night in the 1400s at the castle.

Bran Castle was built in the 14th century to serve as a fortress to protect against the invading Ottoman Turks. The royal family moved into the castle in the 1920s, living there until the communist regime confiscated it from Princess Ileana in 1948.

After being restored in the late 1980s and following the end of communist rule in Romania, it gained popularity as a tourist attraction known as "Dracula's Castle."

In May 2006, the castle was returned to Princess Ileana's son, Archduke Dominic Habsburg.

10-07-2008, 03:11 PM
theres also Habsburg - America connection.
we had Otto going into exile (mainly washington) during ww2.
Georg Habsburg Aspen Institute connections and Dominic Habsburg the owner of Dracula's castle living in America.

April 14, 2005
Otto von Habsburg, on U.S. Tour, Visits D.C.

Dr. Otto von Habsburg, a former Member of the European Parliament and President of the Pan-European Union, an outstanding advocate for Hungary's European integration, is paying a visit to the United States between April 9-22, 2005, accompanied by his wife, Archduchess Regina von Habsburg and two of their children, Archduchess Gabriella von Habsburg and Ambassador György Habsburg.

In Washington, along with U.S. Congressman Tom Lantos, he paid tribute at the bust of Kossuth Lajos and Raoul Wallenberg at a solemn wreath Laying Ceremony in the Capitol rotunda.

Yesterday, Dr. Otto von Habsburg addressed Central and East European American Leaders at a meeting hosted by the Hungarian Reformed Federation of America (HRFA) at the Kossuth House and participated at a Gala Dinner in his honor hosted by the Hungarian American Coalition at the Cosmos Club.

On April 14, Ambassador Simonyi hosted a dinner at the Residence in honor of Dr. Otto von Habsburg.

His Imperial and Royal Highness Otto von Habsburg of Austria is presented with a portrait by Gregory West at a black tie gala in honor of the Archduke.
The Archduke was awarded the Schlarbaum Prize for Lifetime Achievement at a Royal Gala in his honor.

A portrait of Archduke Otto von Hapsburg which will hang in the headquarters of the Ludwig von Mises Institute in Auburn, Alabama.

This portrait was presented to Crown Prince Karl von Habsburg at the 15th anniversary conference of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. The Prince's father, Otto von Habsburg was a personal friend of Mises. Otto and Karl von Habsburg are currently members of the European Parliament, as well as being the heirs to the Habsburg dynasty.

Ludwig von Mises, Dean of Austrian School of Economics

Gregory West Dances the Viennese Waltz with Princess Gabriella of Austria

Dr. Otto von Habsburg Promotes US-European Relations in New York City April 18-22, 2005

European Statesman Promotes US-European Relations in New York City April 18-22, 2005

Dr. Habsburg's U.S. tour was organized by the Hungarian American Coalition and the Hungarian Human Rights Foundation with support from the Manhattan Hungarian Network in New York.


Dr. Otto von Habsburg, a legendary statesman and one of the initial architects of the European Union, completed a five-day program in New York City on Thursday, the last stop on his three-week visit to the United States.

"I'm delighted that Dr. Otto von Habsburg chose New York, as he has done so often in the past, to spread his message of optimism for the betterment of US-European relations and the prospects for national minorities in the new Europe," said George E. Pataki, Governor of New York.

Eldest son of the last Austro-Hungarian Emperor and scion of the historic House of Habsburg, the 93-year-old former European Parliament representative had private meetings, gave three lectures, and was the guest of honor at formal events with prominent members of New York society. In his public and private meetings he emphasized the significance for the United States of the expanding European Union and advocated closer ties between the US and the new, larger Europe. Dr. Habsburg's visit to New York City was the final stop on his US tour, which also took him to Cleveland and Washington, D.C. He was accompanied by his wife Archduchess Regina von Habsburg, son Archduke Ambassador Georg von Habsburg, daughter Archduchess Gabriela von Habsburg and grandson Mr. Severin Meister.

On April 18, the first day of his visit, 200 guests attended a lecture at the New York Hungarian House given by Dr. Habsburg on the importance of securing the rightful place for minorities in the new Europe. In attendance were leaders of the Hungarian-American community: Rev. Les Martin, director of the Hungarian Reformed Federation of America and Mr. Stephen J. Varga, president of the William Penn Association.

On Wednesday Dr. Habsburg gave a talk at the New School followed by a luncheon hosted by the University's President, former Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey. Dr. Habsburg concentrated on the major issues facing Europe today, including the problems of a changing Russia, while emphasising the support of the peoples of the "New Europe" for the United States. "I am enchanted by what my Hungarian-American friends are doing here for Central Europe," said Dr. Habsburg.

Prominent members of New York society were in attendance at two formal events in honor of Dr. Habsburg. His Excellency Sir Emyr Jones Parry, the United Kingdom Permanent Representative to the United Nations, and Lady Lynn Jones Parry hosted a dinner in his honor on April 20 and the Foreign Policy Association hosted a reception at the home of Mr. and Mrs. Peter Kimmelman on April 22.

Additionally, Dr. Habsburg met with former Secretary of State Dr. Henry Kissinger, UNDP Administrator Mark Malloch Brown, and was the guest of honor at a luncheon at the Hungarian Consulate.

10-07-2008, 03:24 PM
german postal sevice's colours are yellow/black like the habsburg colours, that is no coincidence..

if you look into the history a bit you'll come across the Thurn and Taxis line who are also descendents of william the conqueror and intermingled with the habsburg line. not as high up the hierachy tho..

Thurn und Taxis:
The history of an enterprising family

By Art Beéche

Very few princely families have been able to play such an important role in Europe without ever appearing as actors in the main stage of history. The dynasty of the Princes of Thurn und Taxis is such a family. The family's fortunes prospered along those of the imperial court at Vienna. For more than 300 years, the Thurn und Taxis held the monopoly over imperial communications and post between Vienna and the far flung Habsburg possessions that formed the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.

The Thurn und Taxis had humble beginnings in the XVth century. Emperor Frederick III celebrated half a century on the throne in 1490, then decided to strengthen the communications system within his empire. The Habsburgs had recently acquired Tyrol, and in the coming years would also incorporate Burgundy and the Low Countries to their expanding empire. Frederick III knew that without effective communication it would be impossible to govern the expanding Habsburg lands. With this task in mind, the emperor offered a communications monopoly to the Thurn und Taxis family, which had already proved its efficiency in providing support to the empire's communications. It was then that Franz von Thurn und Taxis obtained the mail monopoly over all the Habsburg lands. For the next three centuries the name Thurn und Taxis was synonymous with transportation and communications. It was also synonymous with wealth as the Thurn und Taxis prospered greatly from their services to the Habsburgs.

The Thurn und Taxis originated from the region of Bergamo in Italy. Their letters of nobility were granted by Emperor Maximilian I in 1512 in recognition for services given to the Habsburg family. Emperor Charles V confirmed his grandfather's granting in 1534. According to the Almanac de Gotha, the Thurn und Taxis family were made Barons of the Empire in 1608. Almost two decades later, Emperor Ferdinand II elevated the family to Counts of the Empire in 1624. They were made princes by the Spanish Court in 1681 in recognition for their services. Finally, the Thurn und Taxis received their princely title in the Holy Roman Empire in the 1695 from Emperor Leopold I of Habsburg.

No other enterprise could guarantee transportation and communications with the reliability provided by the Thurn und Taxis. By the end of the XVIIIth century it took five days for a letter to travel from Brussels to Innsbruck, while it took forty hours to travel from Brussels to Paris. It was a performance record that only the Thurn und Taxis system could match. The family used a horse relay system that allowed for uninterrupted travel from one European capital to another. It was Napoleon Bonaparte who first attacked the Thurn und Taxis monopoly. And as the XIXth century progressed, the family gradually lost it completely. The loss of the mail monopoly did little to affect the power of the Thurn und Taxis for by then, the family had diversified into a myriad other enterprises from foodstuffs to banking to railroads. Their wealth was vast and very few other European families could match it.

The Thurn und Taxis not only profited in their many enterprises. Their matrimonial alliances were also a source of great pride and achievement. From their origin in Bergamo to becoming the couriers of the imperial court in Vienna, the family also expanded its relations through the palaces of the German nobility. One of the first prominent matrimonial alliances of the family was that of Eugene-Alexander, I Prince of Thurn and Taxis, to Princess Anna of Fürstenberg. His successor, Anselm-Franz, married into another renowned princely family when he wed Princess Maria of Lobkowicz at the beginning of the XVIIIth century. The Third Prince of Thurn and Taxis, Alexander-Ferdinand, continued these successful matrimonial alliances by marrying Sophia Chistianne of Brandenburg. His heir, the Fourth Prince married Duchess Augusta of Wurttemberg. Karl-Alexander, the Fifth Prince of Thurn und Taxis was married to Duchess Theresa of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, a relative of Queen Charlotte, wife of George III of Great Britain. The family reached the pinnacle in 1858 when Maximilian, Hereditary Prince of Thurn und Taxis, married Duchess Helene in Bavaria, sister of Empress Elisabeth of Austria. Helene in fact, was initially chosen as Emperor Franz Joseph's bride, yet her vivacious and lovely younger sister attracted the young emperor's eye and conquered his heart. Nonetheless, Maximilian of Thurn und Taxis could count the Austrian emperor as a brother-in-law.

The marriage of Maximilian and Helene was a success as the couple found satisfaction with each other. Unfortunately for Helene, her husband died unexpectedly in 1867 leaving her with four young children: Louisa, Elisabeth, Maximilian and Albert. The children were raised primarily at the family's gigantic St. Emmeran Palace in Regensburg. And as first cousin's of the future emperor of Austria, the Thurn und Taxis were destined to make notable marriages. Louisa von Thurn und Taxis married Prince Friedrich of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen a brother of King Carol I of Romania. Princess Elisabeth married Prince Miguel, Duke of Braganza in 1877. Maximilian, VIIth Prince of Thurn und Taxis died without any issue in 1885. He was succeeded by his only brother, Albert who married Archduchess Margarethe of Habsburg, a daughter of Archduke Joseph and Princess Clotilde of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, sister of Tsar Ferdinand I of Bulgaria.

Prince Albert of Thurn und Taxis was famous throughout Europe for the size of his fortune. From his vast palace of more than 500 rooms, Albert ruled over a large business empire. By the time of his accession, the family had collected more than a dozen palaces and castles around Regensburg and within the Habsburg lands. The Thurn and Taxis were also among the largest landowners in Central Europe. Prince Albert maintained a very artistic court at Regensburg, an environment in which he allowed some the Wittelsbach strains inherited from his mother's family show. His court balls were legendary and the family's art collection was considerably enlarged.

Albert and Margarethe had eight children, one of which did not survive infancy. The two eldest boys, Franz-Joseph and Karl-August, married two sisters, the Infantas Elisabeth and Maria-Anna of Braganza, daughters of Miguel, Duke of Braganza. Franz-Joseph and Elisabeth had four children who survived infancy. Their only son and heir to the princely title, Gabriel, died during the siege of Stalingrad in 1942. Karl-August and Maria-Anna were the parents of four children. Their eldest son, Prince Johannes of Thurn und Taxis, was born in 1926 and became the heir-presumptive to the princely title after his cousin Gabriel's death.

Prince Albert of Thurn und Taxis was deeply opposed to the advent of Adolph Hitler. As the Nazi regime strengthened its hold over Germany, the Thurn und Taxis increased their opposition to everything that National Socialism represented. Hitler was very suspicious of these very powerful German noble family. The Second World War did not treat the family lightly, not only did Prince Gabriel die in 1942, but two years later Prince Anselm-Albert, another grandson of Prince Albert, was killed in action. At the end of the war, the Thurn und Taxis lost vast properties located behind the Iron Curtain.

Prince Albert of Thurn und Taxis died at the age of eighty-four years in 1952. Administration of the family fortune fell on the shoulders of Prince Johannes, who was in his mid-twenties. Johannes continued to play an important role in handling the family's business until he inherited the princely title from his father in 1982. At the time of his grandfather's death in 1952, the family had over 30,000 hectares of land in Germany. Johannes sold a sizable piece of this real estate and invested in land in North America and Brazil. He also invested heavily in industrial conglomerates. By the 1990's the family fortune had expanded to include five banks and several entertainment businesses. It was also during this time that Johannes became involved in efforts to have some of the property lost during the war restored to the family.

The charmed life of His Serene Highness Johannes, XIth Prince of Thurn und Taxis, came to an abrupt end on December 14, 1991. The prince had remained a bachelor until his mid-fifties, when the absence of a male heir played an important role in his finding a wife. Johannes, always very capable of surprising most people by his eclectic choices, married an impoverished German countess, Gloria von Schönburg-Glauchau, who was thirty four years his junior. The Schönburg-Glauchau's were members of the Saxon aristocracy and had lost most of their properties after 1945. During most of the 1980's the couple led prominent lives as members of the international jet set, a constant partying that in no small measure weakened Johannes' health. By the beginning of the 1990's, the couple had three children, including Prince Albert, the long-awaited heir born in 1983.

After Prince Johannes' death, the Thurn und Taxis empire almost collapsed under the weight of death duties and adventurous financial speculation. The princely couple's extravagance also contributed to their mounting debts. Princess Gloria was forced to open the doors of her husband's castles and hold auctions. She also sold off most of the enterprises that were in deep financial straits, while reducing the family's expenditures. The Princess' actions to safeguard the future of her son's inheritance has raised the ire of many members of the family, yet she did not have other options. Johannes' death did not allow him time to prepare his affairs and thus reduced the amount of tax levied on the Thurn und Taxis empire by the German government. Princess Gloria's activities in favor of her son's future seem thus far to have saved a large portion of the family's patrimony

Long-gone are the endless parties, the constant thundering of nightclubs and the nasty encounters with paparazzi. These days, princess Gloria spends most of her time dedicated to the upbringing of her children and the restructuring of the Thurn und Taxis legacy.

10-07-2008, 03:32 PM
interesting what svali had to say about the Habsburgs.

The Supreme World Council.

This council is already set up as a prototype of the one that will rule when the NWO comes into being. It meets on a regular basis to discuss finances, direction, policy, etc. and to problem-solve difficulties that come up. Once again, these leaders are heads in the financial world, OLD banking money. The Rothschild family in England, and in France, have ruling seats. A descendant of the Hapsburg dynasty has a generational seat. A descendant of the ruling families of England and France have a generational seat. The Rockefeller family in the US holds a seat.

This is one reason that the Illuminati have been pretty "untouchable" over the years. The ruling members are very, very, very wealthy and powerful. I hope this information is helpful. How do I know this? I was on a local leadership council (a head trainer), but I talked to those on regional. Also, every Illuminati child is taught who their "leaders" are, and told to take an oath of allegiance to them and the "New Order to come".

Q: To what degree is the European royalty involved, what is their real pecking order and power structure and what is their U.S.-U.K. relationship in terms of financial/political/cult power. Is the Monarchy still running the show?

A: This is hard to answer, but I'll try. The Illuminati leadership state that they are descended from royal bloodlines, as well as unbroken occult heritage.

See, there were two definitions of "royalty" used. Open royalty that is currently seen now, and "hidden royalty" of royal lineage and extreme occult power. Sometimes the two were concurrent, such as with the Prince of Wales.

I never thought of which country/line held the most power, since I was just a peon busily doing my job. But my understanding was: The Hanoverian / Hapsburg descendants rule in Germany over the Bruderheist. They are considered one of the strongest lines for occult as well. The British line is just under them, with the royal family. Definitely, they rule the UK branch under the Rothschilds in the occult realm, even though parliament rules the country openly.

In France, again, descendants of the royal families are also in power in the occult realm, but the French Rothschilds hold the reigns over all or them. The U.S. is considered lower, and younger, than the European branches. This is why the children of leaders are ALWAYS sent to Europe for part of their training; the education is considered better and the U.S. families want to renew their affiliation with the european forebears.

my own research has me come to similar conclusions, the habsburgs are one of the highest lines in the occult world. not as powerfull as the rothschilds but higher than most royal lines. they even tell you so with their titles.
Otto von habsburg holds the title Emperor wheres other royals are ''just'' kings and queens.

11-07-2008, 02:47 PM
the Great King--a Habsburg?

All The Habsburgs Descend From Jeanne De Rougemont A Female Heir Of
The Ferretti/rougemont Estates That Included Florimont.


"therefore, A Saint Or Seer Would Interpret That The Great King As
Either Originating From The French Monarchy Or Emperors Of The Holy
Roman Empire Depending Upon Their Innocent Biases. How Can Both
Camps Be Correct Or Be Reconciled? How Can This Great King To Come
Be At The Same Moment In Time A Descendant Of The Kings Of France
And Emperors Of The Holy Roman Empire, For Both Are Distinct And

This Is Possible Throught The Blois Family Who Were Also The Dukes
Of Champagne That Was Allied With The Rougemont/ferretti Family.
Denis De Rougemont Is The Paramount Visionary Of A United Europe.

"a United Europe?

How Shall Europe Once Again Be United Under The Same Emperor? How
Shall The Various Prophecies Regarding The Great King Be Reconciled?
My Studies And Interpretation Of The Times We Live In Is That He
Shall Have One Parent From The Royal And Imperial Habsburg Family,
Thus Making Him A Descendant Of The Emperors Of The Holy Roman
Empire. As Told By Melanie Calvat, The Stigmatized Seeress Of La
Salette, The Son Of St. Louis Xvi Was Not Killed But Spirited Off To
Germany And Received The Last Name Of Naundorff. The Spouse Of The
Above Shall Be A Descendant Of That Naundorff Family. Therefore, The
Great King Shall Also Be A Descendant Of The Kings Of France. Thus,
Europe Will Once Again Be United In Holy Wedlock With A Natural Form
Of Government Based Upon The Family. Miracles Of Miracles! Prodigy
Of Prodigies! May The Reign Of Christ The King Come Soon!"

Both My Late Sister, Christine Rosamond, And I Are Gifted Artists.
The Ten Year Fight Over Our Families Artistic Legacy Is About To
Come To An End - Or, A Extraordinary Beginning.

"why Habsburg?

So Why Do I Say He May Perhaps Be A Habsburg? Sacred Scripture Is
Filled With The Importance Of Royal Blood Providing Us With The
Example Of Our Lord Jesus Christ As A Descendant Of King David.
Except For The Most Blind It Should Have Been Noted That Various
Gifts Are Passed On By The Parents To Their Children. Gifts
Inherited Are Bodily, Intellectual And Supernatural Are All Received
In Various Amounts Depending Upon The Parents Abilities In The
Normal Course Of Events. Sacred Scripture Teaches That Blessings
(supernatural Gifts) Are Passed Down From One Generation To Another
With The Most Common Noted Is For Three To Four Generations. Other
Examples Can Be Found In St. Bridget's Blue Book. Parents' Noble
Deeds And Virtuous Life Become Gifts That Are Inherited By Their
Children. They Represent Both Natural And Supernatural Gifts That
Are Inheritable."

Jon Presco


The Great King--a Habsburg?

By John R. Fohne

Many Believe That The Great King Will Be Primarily A French Monarch
Who Will Receive From The Great Pope The Title Of Holy Roman Emperor
In Order To Unite All Of Europe Is The Reason Why I Have Chosen To
Write This Article. Because I Believe There Are Substantial Reasons
To Suggest Another Logical Explanation Is Possible. My Favorite Book
On The Subject Is Yves Dupont's "catholic Prophecy" From Tan Which
Presents A Situation That Perhaps The Various Seers And Saints
Depict Several Different Versions Of The Great King To Come. Several
Contemporary Orthodox Catholics Have Also Presented Us With A
Certain Divergence In Viewpoints Regarding The Origins Of The Great
King To Come. Dupont Notes In His Book Two Different Camps Of
Thought; First, The Great King Will Primarily Be An Offspring From
The Kings Of France Or; Secondly, He Shall Be An Offspring From The
Emperors Of The Holy Roman Empire Which Is Synonymous With The
Imperial Dynasty Of The Habsburg Family. The Habsburg Family Has A
Very Long History With The Earliest Extant Records Beginning In The
10th Century When History Finds Them Already As Powerful Counts. The
First Habsburg To Become Emperor Was In The 13th Century And They
Have Held The Title Emperor Within The Family For Over 700 Years
With One Small Exception. By Custom The Family Still Retains The
Title Emperor In His Majesty, Otto Von Habsburg, The Current
Reigning Emperor.

Understanding Prophecies

When Interpreting Prophecies We Must Understand The Various Means Of
How God Has Communicated With His Prophets. There Are Three
Classical Means Of How God's Prophets Have Received Their Valuable
Information From God. The Lowest Legitimate Prophetical Grade Is
When The Information Is Received Through The Exterior Senses Of The
Body, The Intermediate Grade Is Information Received Through The Use
Of The Interior Senses Of The Soul, The Highest Grade Is Information
Received Directly Into The Intellect Without Interference From
Either The Exterior Or Interior Senses And Is Considered Knowledge
Received Without Errors. Most And Maybe All Of The Prophecies Seem
To Fall Either In The Lowest Or Intermediate Grade, Thus There Is An
Element Of Interpretation That The Various Saints And Seers Must Use
In Explaining And Communicating Their Prophetical Knowledge.
Therefore, The Seers And Saints Could Have Misunderstood The
Detailed Aspects Of Their Prophecies By Interpreting With An
Innocent Bias Using Things Familiar To Themselves. Therefore, A
Saint Or Seer Would Interpret That The Great King As Either
Originating From The French Monarchy Or Emperors Of The Holy Roman
Empire Depending Upon Their Innocent Biases.

How Can Both Camps Be Correct Or Be Reconciled? How Can This Great
King To Come Be At The Same Moment In Time A Descendant Of The Kings
Of France And Emperors Of The Holy Roman Empire, For Both Are
Distinct And Separate? So How Do We Reconcile The Two, Is It
Possible? I Have Been Perplexed By This Dilemma For Some Time. The
Tools To Reconcile The Two Divergent Camps Of Prophecy Were
Presented To Me While Reading St. Augustine's "harmony Of The
Gospels" For I Was Elated With His Various Critical Methods Used In
His Successful Explanation Of How The Gospel Writers Are In Harmony
With Each Other And Thus Not Contradictory.

Reading Dupont's Book And Understanding The Times We Live In Through
The Eyes Of Faith Both Point Out Clearly That God Is Much Offended
With The Errors Of Democracy And Communism. Their Constant Attacks
Upon The Church Have Greatly Hindered Her Of The Right To Evangelize
The World. Therefore, God Will Send A Great King To Defend The
Church And Her People From The Various Tyrannical Regimes Of
Democracy And Communism. All Good People Have Had Stolen From Them
The Greatest Civilization Of Catholic Europe Which Was Built By The
Two Most Royal And Noble Houses In All Of Catholicism, The French
Monarchy Together With The Greatest And First Family Of All
Catholicism, The Habsburgs. God Shall Unite In This Great King The
Great Attributes Of Those Two Royal Houses, The Absolute Monarchical
Power Of The French Throne In Order To Bring Peace To The World And
The Great Family Traditions Of Peaceful And Benevolent Rule Of The
Habsburgs. Hence, Once Again Our Lord Jesus Christ Will Present To
His Church The Holy Rule Of An United Holy Roman Empire For All Of
Europe. The First Being The Rule Of Constantine The Great, The
Second Under The Great Leadership Of St. Charlemagne And The Third
Under The Great King Completing The Trinitarian Formula.

Why Habsburg?

So Why Do I Say He May Perhaps Be A Habsburg? Sacred Scripture Is
Filled With The Importance Of Royal Blood Providing Us With The
Example Of Our Lord Jesus Christ As A Descendant Of King David.
Except For The Most Blind It Should Have Been Noted That Various
Gifts Are Passed On By The Parents To Their Children. Gifts
Inherited Are Bodily, Intellectual And Supernatural Are All Received
In Various Amounts Depending Upon The Parents Abilities In The
Normal Course Of Events. Sacred Scripture Teaches That Blessings
(supernatural Gifts) Are Passed Down From One Generation To Another
With The Most Common Noted Is For Three To Four Generations. Other
Examples Can Be Found In St. Bridget's Blue Book. Parents' Noble
Deeds And Virtuous Life Become Gifts That Are Inherited By Their
Children. They Represent Both Natural And Supernatural Gifts That
Are Inheritable. St. Thomas Aquinas Teaches That Grace Builds Upon
Nature (gifts Inherited From Parents). If This Great King Is To Have
The Necessary Capabilities Of An Awesome Proportion As Perfected By
Grace The Habsburgs Are The Most Likely Providers. The Dilution Of
French Royal Blood Since The French Revolution Is More Pronounced
When Compared To The Habsburg Family Which Still Exists Intact And
Retains Control Over Marriages. Therefore, The Habsburgs Are More
Likely To Provide The World With This Great King For Grace Has A
Larger Natural Base To Build Upon.

The Past, Present And Future At The Same Time Is Always Omnipresent
In The Mind Of The Blessed Holy Trinity. The Holy Trinity Does Not
Live In Temporality, Only Material Creation.

Therefore, Important Events In Time Provide Us With An Understanding
Of The Past, A Message For The Present And A Prophecy For The
Future. Nothing Is By Chance, Unless You Are A Gnostic. The Death Of
The Emperor Venerable Karl Von Habsburg In Exile Seems To Have
Indicated To The World The Death Of An Imperial Dynasty. But Yet God
Stills Bestows His Favors Upon The Family. If The Family's Favor
With God Has Ended, Why Does God Attract Our Attention Once Again To
This Great Family.

Venerable Habsburg

As Part Of The Beatification Process Of The Emperor Venerable Karl
Was To Have His Coffin Opened On The 50th Anniversary Of His Death
By An Ecclesiastical And Family Commission On April 1, 1972. They
Found His Body Incorrupt! The Family That Has Given Us Many Saints
And Holy Rulers Now Adds Another One, The Incorruptible Emperor
Karl. The Beatification Process Has Ended And We Anxiously Await The
Final Judgment Of The Holy Pontiff To Have Him Declared Blessed. (1)
My Interpretation Of Why The Holy Trinity Is Pleased To Have Given
Us An Incorrupt Catholic Monarch At This Time Is Because; God Is
Well Pleased With The Habsburgs Past, The Sacrifices And Holiness Of
Emperor Karl Must Be Known To The World For The Edification Of All,
And As For The Future God Has Declared His Intentions That He Is Not
Finished With His Royal Family For They Have Some Major Role To Play
In The Future. Father Denis Fahey Has Provided Us With A Story About
The Heroic Virtue Of Emperor Karl; While In Exile He Was Approached
By High Ranking Masons And They Offered Him The Throne Of Austria
Back With Hungary In The Future If He Would Allow Democratic
(masonic) Reform. He Said No Because He Wished To Conform His Will
To God's Will For What They Wanted Was Against The Faith. Father
Denis Fahey Was Presenting Him As An Example For Men Desiring To
Establish All Things In Christ The King, Because The Emperor Turned
Down An Empire For A Bitter Death In Exile. A Book Written By Andrew
Wheatcroft In 1995 May Supply Us With Some Insights About "the
Habsburgs" History. Mr. Wheatcroft Has Some Of Modern Man's Bigotry
Which Must Be Removed In Order To Determine The Catholic Content,
But He Earnestly Desired To Know What Was The Driving Force Of This
Family. Whether He Realized It Or Not, The Greatest Attribute Of The
Habsburgs Is Their Quiet Holiness Of Conforming Their Will With
God's Holy And Divine Will. Mr. Wheatcroft Quoted An Emperor In The
15th Century That The Great King Would Be Born A Habsburg If They
Remained Faithful To God And His Church. The Many Miracles Granted
Through The Habsburgs For The People They Ruled And The Saints The
Family Has Given To The Church Supports The Favor They Have Found In
God's Eyes. Modern Man Is Bewildered Regarding God's Will For
Nations, In Times Past When People Were Humble And Respectful, They
Would Prayerfully Look For Leadership From Those With Whom God's
Favor Rested Upon. The Habsburg Imperial Dynasty Rests Upon The
Favor They Have Found In God's Eyes, Not With Man.

Future Governments

Natural Forms Of Government Rest On The Personal Relationships Among
Families For Its Foundation, Artificiality Is Foreign To Catholic
Culture. Europe Shall Once Again Be Reunited When The Nations Have
Accepted The Spiritual Sovereignty Of The Papacy. Who Currently Has
That Ability, None But The Habsburgs Have The Family Traditions And
Abilities For An United Europe With The Family As Its Foundation.
Throughout The Centuries Good People Have Looked For Leadership That
Defended The Church And Protected Their God-given Rights And This
Light Has Rested On The Habsburgs. If You Have Not Given Any Thought
Of Having A Monarch For Your Natural Government, Believe Me The
Enemies Of God Have Seen The Coming Anarchy And Have Prepared To
Present Their Own Hand Chosen Monarchs In An Attempt To Keep The
People United. In Russia The Communist Have Given Thought Of
Establishing A Member Of The Romanoff Family As A Ceremonial Czar In
Order To Keep The People United. In France The Enemies Of Christ The
King Are Poised To Present Their Own King, Boasting He Is A
Descendant From The Offspring Of Jesus Christ And Mary Magdalene.
The Enemies Of Christ Have Anticipated That Monarchs Are Coming Back
By Popular Demand, Why Should Not Catholics Prepare For One Of Their

What About A Habsburg On The French Throne? Is It Not Impossible?
The Current Reigning Emperor Otto Has Written A Book Titled
Emperor "charles V". Emperor Otto Presents The Reader With An
Erudite And Masterful Understanding Of The Times And Difficult
Decisions Made By Emperor Charles V That Were Made With Incredible
Foresight And Courage Procuring Bounteous Blessings For All Future
Generations. Emperor Otto Relates An Episode In Which The Imperial
Troops Of Emperor Charles V Having Surrounded Paris And The King Of
France Chose Not To Attack Even Though The City Was Ripe For The
Plucking. The Emperor Requested What Was Due Him In Justice And
Having Received It He Departed. So Why Does Emperor Otto Relate
The "popular Prophecy Known Throughout All Of Europe" That Emperor
Charles V Was To Receive The Kingdom Of France Through The
Intercession Of St. Francis Of Assisi? Perhaps The Actual Prophecy
Does Not Mention Emperor Charles V By Name. Curiously Enough Emperor
Charles V Never Gave Any Indication That He Believed The Prophecy
Was For Him When The Fortunes Of War Were Favorable For Fulfilling
The Prophecy. But, Yet Emperor Otto Relates It Again Four Centuries
Later. Was Is Possible That The "popular Prophecy" Had Become Skewed
Due To The Popularity Of Emperor Charles V. Perhaps The Prophecy In
Question Is Meant For A Future Habsburg And Not Emperor Charles V
And Emperor Otto Suspects The "popular Prophesy" Was Slightly
Inaccurate. Perhaps That May Explain Why The Emperor Wrote The
Original Book In French And Not In His Native Language Of German.

A United Europe?

How Shall Europe Once Again Be United Under The Same Emperor? How
Shall The Various Prophecies Regarding The Great King Be Reconciled?
My Studies And Interpretation Of The Times We Live In Is That He
Shall Have One Parent From The Royal And Imperial Habsburg Family,
Thus Making Him A Descendant Of The Emperors Of The Holy Roman
Empire. As Told By Melanie Calvat, The Stigmatized Seeress Of La
Salette, The Son Of St. Louis Xvi Was Not Killed But Spirited Off To
Germany And Received The Last Name Of Naundorff. The Spouse Of The
Above Shall Be A Descendant Of That Naundorff Family. Therefore, The
Great King Shall Also Be A Descendant Of The Kings Of France. Thus,
Europe Will Once Again Be United In Holy Wedlock With A Natural Form
Of Government Based Upon The Family. Miracles Of Miracles! Prodigy
Of Prodigies! May The Reign Of Christ The King Come Soon!

(1) League Of Prayers, C/o Br. Nathan Cochran, O.s.b., Saint

Vincent Archabbey, Fraser Purchase Road, Latrobe, Pa 15650.

John R. Fohne

08-08-2008, 05:14 AM
funny i thought it was a different family that made a treaty with the Vatican and by doing so became Holy Roman Emperor as well as his descendants having the same birthright, either i was given faulty info or its another case of History being changed, or it could also be that the Vatican went around making these treaties willy nilly just like America did to the native Americans:eek: And please what i write is not intended to disrespect the Hapsburgs But it would appear that there Holy Roman Emperor history does not go back far enough, i say this because when i read the treaty the title was supposed to be non-transferible, the same family was supposed to sit on the Throne. I wonder if that is why the Church has fallen into dissaray,,,and please i mean no dissrespect to any of the Holy Roman Emperors, but if there was a reason for there only being one family to fill that role then there may have bin a reason no matter the Charecter of the ones that filled the role in later years.....But hay we all get fed missinfo at times, and i am willing to be loveingly corrected. It is also my understanding that the Church existed autonimousely from Rome in the begining,,,,maybe i have to many interpitations of history running around in my head getting jumbled:)

i will read more and learn

May your heart follow the same path you walk

08-08-2008, 05:21 AM
i talk a little about some of those legends in the thread i started in General (Historical King Arthur coverup!!!) in it i speak of a line of Kings rarely spoken of, and my experience being related to/direct descendant of. And some stuff i came across studying.

08-08-2008, 08:10 AM
i noticed Habsburg (Emperor Francis I of Austria) claimed among his titles King of Jerusalem, in my research i found that this title is attached/associated to the Scottish Crown, As well as the stone of Destiny. There was also a pretender Prince Michael of Albany (Scotland) that used this info to elevate his status among the Knights of Malta and the likes. pretender-Prince Michael is now currently on the run and wanted for questioning by the authorities for infiltrating, God knows how he did it.

08-08-2008, 12:18 PM
i noticed Habsburg (Emperor Francis I of Austria) claimed among his titles King of Jerusalem, in my research i found that this title is attached/associated to the Scottish Crown, As well as the stone of Destiny. There was also a pretender Prince Michael of Albany (Scotland) that used this info to elevate his status among the Knights of Malta and the likes. pretender-Prince Michael is now currently on the run and wanted for questioning by the authorities for infiltrating, God knows how he did it.


The king of spain is the king of jerusalem and the middle east SMOM commander

08-08-2008, 12:29 PM
interesting what svali had to say about the Habsburgs.


my own research has me come to similar conclusions, the habsburgs are one of the highest lines in the occult world. not as powerfull as the rothschilds but higher than most royal lines. they even tell you so with their titles.
Otto von habsburg holds the title Emperor wheres other royals are ''just'' kings and queens.


The hasburgs are knights of malta; subservient to the grand master matthew festing.

08-08-2008, 12:32 PM
interesting what svali had to say about the Habsburgs.


my own research has me come to similar conclusions, the habsburgs are one of the highest lines in the occult world. not as powerfull as the rothschilds but higher than most royal lines. they even tell you so with their titles.
Otto von habsburg holds the title Emperor wheres other royals are ''just'' kings and queens.

disinfo; the page you put up is nonsense

the illuminati DO NOT rule. They are puppets

08-08-2008, 12:48 PM
keenly would you be so kind and stop spamming my threads with your simplistic jesuit oneliners ?

i noticed Habsburg (Emperor Francis I of Austria) claimed among his titles King of Jerusalem, in my research i found that this title is attached/associated to the Scottish Crown, As well as the stone of Destiny.

that's because it's a hereditary title..
the Habsburgs became heirs to the title after Charles V de Lorraine married Eleonore-Marie von Habsburg, daughter of Holy Roman Emperor, Ferdinand III.

consequently the current head of the Habsburgs, Otto von Habsburg holds the title ''king of Jerusalem'' since april the first 1922, that is the day he was born. and when he dies his son Karl will hold the title. there are other claimants too, (all of merovignian descent) Juan Carlos for example.

Franco initially offered the spanish crown to Otto von Habsburg who declinded and instead ''suggested'' Juan Carlos for the spanish throne.
also Juan Carlos heads the spanish wing of Habsburgs ''Order of the Golden Fleece''

his name Otto is not some random choice btw but referring to what is known as Ottonian line/dynasty (going back to Otto the first, also known as ''the great'')
Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands also has blood from the Ottonian Line wich means a particular (male descendents) stream of blood runs through her venes.

but coming back to King of Jerusalem;
as far as i know the title goes back to the first crusade and Templar Godfrey de Bouillon although not crowned King of Jerusalem he took the title (can't remember the latin name?!) wich then become known under his brother as ''king of Jerusalem''

09-08-2008, 09:11 PM
came across this article with some good info in it;

Otto von Habsburg

Born in Lower Austria in 1912 as a member of the Royal House of Habsburg, who have been allies of the Vatican for many centuries. Eldest son of Archduke Karl and Princess Zita von Bourbon-Parma. The Habsburg dynasty was, and is, very close to the Thurn und Taxis family (1001 Club) and the Vatican. During WWI his family lost the throne to the Habsburg kingdom. The Austrian parliament officially expelled the Habsburg dynasty and confiscated all of its property. Opposed the Nazi Anschluss of Austria in 1938 and went to the US (with help of the Knights of Malta). Spent most of the war years in Washington (1940-1944), after escaping from Austria to Portugal with a visa issued by the Portuguese consul in Bordeaux. He became friends with FDR, George F. Kennan (the father of the Containment policy), Felix Frankfurter, Winston Churchill and other important individuals.

One of his main opponents at the time was Pilgrims Society member Lord Halifax (important to UN and pro-Nazi), who bluntly asked him: "Are you pursuing your intrigues even here?". Cordell Hull, pro-Vichy and pro-UN, was another opponent of Otto. Part of a mainstream bio: "A member of Koudenhove-Kalergi's Paneuropa Union since 1936 [24 years old then], Dr. Otto von Habsburg represented the organization in Washington D.C. beginning in 1940.

In close collaboration with his brothers, the Archdukes Rudolf, Robert and Karl Ludwig, he convinced President Roosevelt and Prime Minister Churchill to regard Austria as a victim state of Nazi aggression. Based on this recognition, Archduke Robert and Winston Churchill, who favored a postwar reconstitution of a Danube confederation forged the Moscow Declaration of 1943, which prepared for Austria's independence at the conclusion of the war."

The Paneuropa Union was founded in 1923 in Vienna by Count Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, the son of an Austro-Hungarian (Habsburg) diplomat. Early leading members were Aristide Briand and Austrian chancellors Ignaz Seipel and Karl Renner. Opus Dei was founded in 1928 and at least in later times this group's objectives would essentially merge with those of the Paneuropa Union: 1) keep the Soviets out of Europe, and 2) create a Roman Catholic-oriented European superstate. Kalergi was of the opinion that Britain should be kept out of Paneuropa since it managed an autonomous empire. Unlike Russia, Turkey belonged to Asia and also should not be included in Paneuropa, according to Kalergi.

The Paneuropean Union is also responsible for the 12 stars on a blue ground as official symbol for Europe, which symbolizes the stars of the virgin Mary. After the war Otto lived in exile in France and Spain. In Spain he received a secondary formal education by Benedictine fathers. An article in Lobster Magazine claimed that the impoverished Otto was subsidized to the tune of Ł50,000 a month by MI6 chief Stewart Menzies from 1939 to 1953. In 1949, together with Opus Dei member Alfredo Sanchez Bella (August 21, 1964, The Frederick News, 'Rev. Dr. Thorning Returns From Europe': "In Rome, Father Thorning was the guest of Spanish Ambassador Alfredo Sanchez Bella"; November 4, 1969, Greeley Daily Tribune, 'Economic, Social Advancement Aims of New Franco Cabinet': "[Alfredo] Sanchez Bella, aside from his own talents as a diplomat, is the brother of Florencio Sanchez Bella, leader of the Opus Dei in Spain."; Bella was Ambassador to Rome until November 1969),

Otto founded the European Centre of Documentation and Information (CEDI), "whose objective was to construct around the Spanish Borbóns a federation of European states united in Christianity and anti-Communism. This sounded very much like a modern resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire over which Charles V had reigned. Like the Spanish empire of old, the envisaged Catholic federation was intended to have large-spectrum antennae in Latin America and the United States. CEDI was believed to be an auxiliary operation of Opus Dei. Although headquartered in Munich, it held its annual general meetings at the Monastery of El Escorial, near Madrid, and it continued functioning throughout the Cold War.

Its tentacles spread among Catholic Monarchist circles throughout western Europe... [Otto] reportedly became one of Opus Dei's most treasured Old Guard supernumeraries. Like Opus Dei, CEDI published no membership lists, but the president of its Belgian chapter, Chevalier Marcel de Roover, was known to have close ties with the Belgian royal family. Indeed, Archduke Otto's nephew, Lorenz von Habsburg, son of international banker Karel von Habsburg, married Princes Astrid of Belgium [daughter of King Albert II, who stands accused of child abuse in the Pinon Affair, not unlike other members of the royal family; chairwoman Belgian Red Cross; patron Belgian Kids Foundation for Pediatric Research.

The support committee of the Belgian Kids Foundation includes the wife of Count Maurice Lippens, who [the husband] stands accused of some of the most horrific child abuse practices. The support committee is presided over by Count Jean Pierre de Launoit, whose name once appeared on a list of people accused of involvement in trade in children and drugs. Nobody has been prosecuted], daughter of King Albert II. Astrid's aunt, the former Queen Fabiola, was related through the House of Aragon to the Spanish Borbón family. Professor Luc de Heusch of the Free University of Brussels, an expert on Sacred Kingship, maintained tha Queen Fabiola, a disciple of Escrivá de Balaguer [founder of Opus Dei], 'introduced Opus Dei to the Catholic aristocracy of Europe.'

An idea of the company gathered from the membership of a sister organization, the Pan-European Union, headquartered in Zurich.
Also headed by Archduke Otto, among its members were two Belgian prime ministers, an Italian industrialist close to the Vatican, a former French prime minister, his legal counsellor, an aide to Valery Giscard d'Estaing, the secretary of Giscard's Independent Republican Party... the deputy head of NATO's intelligence division, a director of West German intelligence, the Spanish ambassador to the European Community and Alfredo Sanchez Bella." (1997, Robert Hutchinson, 'Their Kingdom Come', p.153-154).

CEDI stood in close contact with the Belgian Cercle des Nations, which was a gathering place for Brussels fascist aristocracy which was founded in 1969. On the next page Hutchinson writes: "Otto is chairman for life of the CEDI. Married Princess Regina Von Sachsen-Meiningen in 1951 with the blessing of Pius XII. Vice-president of the Internationale Paneuropa-Union 1957-1972, working under Count Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi. His Opusian associate Jean Violet founded the Pinay Circle (Le Cercle) in the 1950s, one of the most influential behind-the-scenes anti-communist and pro-Europe organizations, which was, and is, riddled with questionable intelligence operatives.

Otto's CSU (Bavaria) and CDU (the rest of Germany) party friends, Franz-Joseph Strauss (a hard-right politician), Count Hans Huyn (intermarried with Habsburg family), and Alois Mertes (important German politician in early 1980s) have all been leading members of both Le Cercle and the ultraconservative anti-communist faction in German politics. They are all suspected of having been members of Opus Dei. In 1959, Otto received the Knight Grand-Cross of Honour and Devotion of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta with the Cross of Honorary Professed Member. One of Otto's political secretaries, Jacques G. Jonet, is named as a co-founder of low-profile ultraconservative/fascist European-integration groups as Ordre du Rouvre, the Institut Européen pour la Paix et la Sécurité (IEPS), the Société Internationale de Wilton Park (Wilton Park conferences), and Cercle des Nations. Opusian Cercle founder Jean Violet was one of the few French members of Cercle des Nations (1990, Hugo Gijssels, 'De Bende & Co.', p. 130), together with Belgium's controversial hard-right aristocracy. Jonet was named as an individual that attempted to crush the Pinon investigation of the late 1970s and early 1980s, in which leading Cercle des Nations members like the Opusian Paul Vanden Boeynants, not to mention members of the Royal House of Belgium (counts Opus Dei and SMOM members in the family), were accused of child abuse.

Jonet has been named as a member of Mouvement d'Action pour l'Union de l'Europe (MAUE), the Habsburg-founded Centre of Documentation and Information (CEDI), and CEPIC (of the Opusian Baron de Bonvoisin and Paul Vanden Boeynants, both named as child abusers in the Dutroux X-Files by a combination of X1, X2, and X3). Jonet is suspected of membership in Opus Dei and is the representative of the Belgian Order of Malta, while his wife is a member of the administrative council (anno 2006). In 1961, Otto finally renounced all claims to the Austrian throne and was eventually allowed to return to his home country in 1966. CEDI, earlier founded by Otto von Habsburg, had a secretary general named Paul Vankerkhoven, who became a member of the Ordre du Rouvre, the ultra right-wing catholic magazine Chantiers-Occident, and the fascist Cercle des Nations.

Vankerkhoven was a co-founder and vice-chairman of l'Institut Europeen de Developpement, headquartered in the castle of the earlier-mentioned Baron de Bonvoisin. Vankerkhoven also founded the Belgian branch of the ultra-reactionary World Anti-Communist League (WACL), the 'Ligue Internationale de la Liberte' (LIL). The WACL was sponsored by the Sun Myung Moon sect and aristocrats like Count Hans Huyn and Otto von Habsburg were involved with it in Germany, at least in the late 1980s. Otto co-founded the Académie Européenne de Sciences Politiques, located in Brussels, somewhere in the 1960s or early 1970s. It was an ultraconservative Paneuropa affiliated group, managed by the Opusian Cercle founder Jean Violet and Paul Vanden Boeynants, also Opus Dei, is said to have been one of its prominent members. When Franco's regime was challenged in the late 1960s by members of Opus Dei and other reformer, Franco designated Prince Juan Carlos as king of Spain at the moment Franco died. It has been claimed that Franco initially invited Otto von Habsburg to become the new king, but Otto refused and recommended Juan Carlos. Franco, Juan Carlos, and Otto von Habsburg all were Knights of Malta. When Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi died in 1972, Otto followed him up as provisional president of the Internationale Paneuropa-Union.

At the suggestion of French president, Paneuropa- and Cercle member Georges Pompidou Otto was elected official president in 1973. He still served in this position anno 2006. January 2004, Contemporary Review, 'Otto von Habsburg and the future of Europe': "Archduke Otto was the right-hand man of Count Coudenhove-Kalergi, and when the Count died in 1972, the leadership of Paneuropa fell to him. Since then he has been the President. When interviewed in 1986, Otto von Habsburg was insistent that Paneuropa still had work to do, and would not be subsumed in the European Community (as it then was) itself. " Anno 2006, Otto is an advisor to the Coundenhove-Kalergi Foundation, together with Count Hans Huyn, Jakob Coudenhove-Kalergi (nephew of Richard, the founder of the Paneuropa Union), and Prince Carlo della Torre e Tasso (Thurn und Taxis). Nikolaus von Liechtenstein (younger brother of Hans-Adam) is an executive member of the the Coundenhove-Kalergi Foundation.

In December 1973 Otto gave a speech to the Benedictine monks at the Woodside Priory School on San Francisco's peninsula. Hosts for the luncheon were Phil Gregory of Raytheon (Philip L. Gregory; one of the buyers of Raytheon in the 1940s, with what would become his wife (Raytheon was originally founded by Vannevar Bush in 1922-1925; Pilgrims Society member and president-descendant Charles Francis Adams IV would sit on the board of Raytheon from 1938 to 1997); executive director of Raytheon, first in New England and then in California until 1979; founded the Semiconductor Equipment Materials International (SEMI) with two colleagues in 1970, the non-profit group that presents semiconductor manufacturers trade forums worldwide; president, chairman, and executive director of SEMI; he and his wife traveled extensively in building SEMI internationally; among their tours was a trip in the early 1970s to Beijing, China, right after Kissinger, Rockefeller, and Nixon had "opened it up"; his wife was active in numerous catholics groups, including the Legion of Mary) and Bill Keady Jr., president of Advalloy (November 19, 1973, San Mateo Times, 'Dr. Von Habsburg to Speak').

Also reported by the San Mateo Times of that day: "Two distinguished visitors will be in the Bay Area next month and both will be guests of honor at Dec. 6 events at the Fairmont Hotel... Dr. Otto von Habsburg, son of the last emperor and king of Austria-Hungary, will be honored by the Woodside Priory School at a formal dinner dance... That noon, Monsignor John Patrick Carroll-Abbing, founder and president of Boys' Towns of Italy, will attend the Oscar de la Renta fashion show and luncheon benefiting Girls' Town of Italy (a part of Boys Towns)." Member of the European Parliament for the CSU 1979-1999, the party of his reactionary Opusian Cercle friends Franz-Joseph Strauss, Count Hans Huyn, and Alois Mertes. Among the foreign policy advisors to the Hanns Seidel Stiftung (Hanns Seidel Foundation) since 1975 (established in 1967), as well as the Kuratoriums Mitglied of the Ludwig Frank Stiftung (Ludwig-Frank Foundation).

The Hanns Seidel Foundation, based in Germany, receives funding from the European Union. The foundation is a geopolitical trust attached to the Bavarian CSU party (the Bavarian Christian Democrats) of the Strauss, Mertes, Huyn, and Edmund Stoiber. It was active on all continents in funding anti-communist militias. July 2005, The Trumphet, 'From the Editor: German Election Crisis—and a New Charlemagne': "Here is what Mr. Armstrong’s Plain Truth staff wrote, September 1979: “On the United Nations, he [Otto] has declared that the organization is dominated by ‘anti-European illiterates, despots and cannibals.’... “Possibly von Habsburg’s most controversial suggestion has been his recipe for dealing with national emergencies. In the April 1978 issue of his conservative publication Zeitbühne, he suggested that in certain emergency situations (such as nuclear blackmail or other major acts of terrorism) governments should let a strongman take over for a period of nine months, allowing him to suspend laws and ‘take all measure necessary for the maintenance of the life of the population.’...

Interestingly, von Habsburg counts Bavarian leader Franz Josef Strauss among ‘the few full-blooded politicians’ who ‘in the case of serious national crises are able to accept responsibility because of their clear-sightedness and indomitableness.’ Von Habsburg says he is ‘personally pretty close to his [Strauss’s] ideas in many ways on the European unity subject"... The zenith of Habsburg power came in the 16th century under Emperor Charles v. Chosen by electors in 1519 at the age of 20, Charles was crowned Holy Roman emperor by Pope Leo x in October 1520. He ruled until 1556 and is considered to have been the greatest monarch to bear the imperial crown since Charlemagne. He was the last emperor to vigorously attempt to realize the medieval idea of a unified empire embracing the entire Christian world... Christopher Hollis, in the foreword to von Habsburg’s book The Social Order of Tomorrow, points out that Otto ‘would like to see Europe resume her essential unity, and in the symbolism of that unity he thinks that the imperial crown of Charlemagne and of the Holy Roman Empire might well have its part to play.’

“Inter-European unity has long been a quest of the Habsburg dynasty. Otto himself often speaks of the similarities between the Holy Roman Empire of the Middle Ages and his view of a coming United States of Europe.
In this regard, Otto has stressed the importance of religion in the formation of a united Europe. He regards Christianity as Europe’s bulwark: ‘The cross doesn’t need Europe, but Europe needs the cross.’" The pope has also spoken out against Liberal Anglo-Saxon politics. Otto was a member of the Hilfskomitee Freiheit für Rudolf Hess (Freedom for Rudolf Hess Committee), which advocated the release of the former Thulist and number two in Hitler's early regime. Hess had secretly flown to England in May 1941, almost certainly trying to establish a peace between Hitler and the British Empire (through the opponents of Churchill affiliated with the British royal family) so both could attack Russia.

Unfortunately for Hess, he was caught. After the war he was held in a prison until his death, mainly because the Soviet Union did not approve of his release. The Action Committee for the Freedom of Rudolf Hess made it to the international news a few times in the 1970s. SMOM member Kurt Waldheim, the secretary general of the United Nations who had to resign in 1986 after he was accused of war crimes, was a favorite of Otto.

Otto was honored by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) in February 1988. On 19 August 1989 he was the Patron of the Paneuropean-Picnic in Sopron, which was a protest against the Iron Curtain. Since 1988 he worked on the extension of the Paneuropa Union into the countries behind the Iron Curtain, on the independence of the Baltic States from Moscow, and of Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia-Herzgovina and Macedonia from Belgrade (Serbia). He is considered an enemy of the Serbs. When Croatia (90% roman catholic) and Slovenia (84% roman catholic) withdrew from Yugoslavia, the Vatican immediately supported the action, together with the German government.

1994, Jean-Paul Picaper, 'Otto de Habsbourg: Memoires d'Europe', pp. 209-210 (Otto to a Figaro correspondent): "If German recognized Slovenia and Croatia so rapidly, even against the will of [then German foreign minister] Hans-Dietrich Genscher who did not want to take that step, it's because the Bonn government was subjected to an almost irresistible pressure of public opinion. In this regard, the German press rendered a very great service, in particular the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung and Carl Gustav Strohm, that great German journalist who works for Die Welt." In the late 80s and early 1990s, Otto invited leaders from Croatia and Slovenia to the European Parliament. He visited these countries and stated they should prepare themselves for a place in the European Union.

Habsburg and his allies warned about Milosevic, who had just become a prominent former-communist socialist nationalist and wanted to unite all land where a significant amount of Serbians (mainly eastern orthodox christians) lived. Civil wars followed in which the Serbians ultimately were driven back south and east into Serbia. German, US, an UK intelligence services, together with special forces, were secretly funding the (also quite brutal) opposition to Serbia. NATO also bombed the Serbs twice. Otto had called for the bombing of Belgrade (capital of the Serbs) in 1993.
Some fear that Otto would like to see Serbia removed from the map, as he blames this nation for the downfall of his beloved Austro-Hungarian Empire.

In 2005 Carla Del Ponte, chief prosecutor of the UN international criminal tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, claimed that the Vatican protected suspected war criminal general Ante Gotovina, a hero in Croatia. Before becoming a general in the Croatian army, Gotovina fought in the French Foreign Legion; then became a close collaborator of the hard-right Jean-Marie Le Pen. In good tradition of the Nazi ratlines, the Vatican allegedly hid him in a monastery. September 20, 2005, The Telegraph, 'Vatican accused of shielding 'war criminal'': "Carla del Ponte, the chief prosecutor of the UN international criminal tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, said she believed that Gen Ante Gotovina was being sheltered in a Franciscan monastery in his native Croatia...

She said: "I have information he is hiding in a Franciscan monastery and so the Catholic Church is protecting him. I have taken this up with the Vatican and the Vatican refuses totally to co-operate with us." In July, Mrs del Ponte travelled to Rome to share her intelligence with the Vatican's ''foreign minister'', Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo. He refused to help, telling her the Vatican was not a state and thus had "no international obligations" to help the UN to hunt war criminals. Mrs del Ponte complained: "They said they have no intelligence and I don't believe that. I think that the Catholic Church has the most advanced intelligence services."" In 1989, he said to the European Parliament: "The [European] Community is living largely by the heritage of the Holy Roman Empire, though the great majority of the people who live by it don’t know by what heritage they live."

Otto has met with Pope John Paul II to discuss at length the subject of European integration. In early 2006 he met with the new pope, Benedikt XVI (Ratzinger), whom he had already known. From September to December 2004 he travelled to Kosovo, Zurich, Rome, Vienna, Tyrol, Madeira, Croatia, London, again to Vienna, Paris, Strasbourg, Spain, Westphalia, Lower Saxony, Budapest, and three times to Hungary. In November 2002 the Austrian weekly Zur Zeit published an interview with Otto von Habsburg in which he had said: "If we consider America's internal politics, then we find that it is split in two halves. On the one hand, the Defense Department, in which the key positions are held by Jews; the Pentagon is today a Jewish institution. On the other hand, the blacks are in the State Department: for instance, Colin Powell or especially Condoleezza Rice. It is an internal conflict between hawks and doves.

Currently, the Anglo-Saxons, that's to say the white Americans, are playing a relatively minor role." On April 20, 2005 National Public Radio (NPR) interviewed Otto and asked him about these comments. He confirmed what he said earlier and added: "There are many nationalities making up America. There are four states that in twenty years will have a majority of Spanish language [citizens]; and I don't think that's a catastrophy. It's a very good thing. I'm already well located. I have many children and all my children speak Spanish too."
In the interview he's clearly hinting two or three times to the fact that he wants northern Africa to become part of the European Union. Otto thinks the rejected 2005 EU Constitution should be rewritten and reintroduced.

Made a speech in German and French praising Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (former French president; like Habsburg, a good friend of Opusian Cercle founder Jean Violet; prominent member Paneuropa Union; received the Charlemagne award; Knight of Malta; Giscard's father had close connections to the Synarchy and Opus Dei) when this person was head of the Draft Treaty that should have established a Constitution for Europe. 2005,

Ausgabe 2-3, Eurojournal pro management, p. 14, committee member Otto von Habsburg: "The original wording of the Constitution draft by Giscard d'Estaing was quite short and comprehensible. So why did it fail to convince the voters? This is plain: a campaign launched with the help of a book thick with legal terminology which, the bureaucrats hoped, voters would read and comprehend. Much money was spent, but nothing was gained. A Commission full of aged politicians to work on the draft which spoilt it just as "too many cooks spoil the broth". Giscard d'Estaing knew what would happen with his initial draft, and later photographs show the expression of a man in desperation who knew that should this revamped version fail, then he would be responsible anyway...

No attempt was made to reach out to future generations as did the late pope John Paul II or as Pope Benedict XVI now does; two old men who somehow managed and manage to enthuse the masses. It is therefore no wonder that the battle was lost; the idea however still lives on, but we need new politicians to bring the idea home to voters." Giscard's initial draft version delegated a lot of authority to the EU presidency, who would be elected to serve for five years instead of the previous method of a six month rotation between all EU members.

The European Council, the body made up of the heads of state of the member countries, would do the electing on the basis of Qualified Majority Voting. Giscard, who now favored the name United Europe, made many other proposals and was widely attacked for trying to reduce the influence of smaller EU countries, the commission and the European Parliament. Giscard did not see an EU president being directly elected by the European people "for another 50 years."

Like Otto, Giscard d’Estaing is absolutely against Turkey joining the European Union. Tuesday 28 February 2006, Valery Giscard d'Estaing, speech at the London School of Economics entitled 'The Political Future of Europe' (transcript posted at website of LSE): "Let's be clear about this: the rejection of the Constitutional Treaty in France was a mistake, which will have to be corrected. Was the mistake due to the over-complicated presentation of the draft, or the choice of a referendum [public vote...] at a time when politicians were highly unpopular?
It doesn't much matter. Everyone has accepted the democratic verdict, whatever their regrets. But the main victim has been a Treaty, which, according to the opinion polls, the French were not against. At a time when second chances are the order of the day, the Constitutional Treaty will have to be given its second chance.
When? When France has completed her great electoral debate, with the presidential and parliamentary elections which are due to be held 14 months' time, in spring 2007.
How? By refocusing the debate on the only genuinely constitutional parts, that is to say, the first part, and the Charter of Fundamental Rights demanded by the European Left, neither of which have given rise to much protest. Then the third part could follow a parliamentary route, which is far better suited to its legal nature." In this speech Giscard proposed that the two first parts of the Constitution could be subject to a new referendum, whereas the third and more controversial part would be subject to a parliamentary vote. On May 23, 2006 the Financial Times quoted Giscard d'Estaing as saying: "It is not France that has said no. It is 55 per cent of the French people - 45 per cent of the French people said yes... I wish that we will have a new chance, a second chance, for the constitutional project."

Otto concurs and added in 2006 "A short, clear constitution text must go", suggesting the average person in the EU is interested in reading the document. April 09, 2002, Christian Science Monitor, 'Europe, prepare to greet Islam': "For centuries, the ruling Habsburgs defended the Continent against the expansion of the Turkish Ottoman Empire.
Now Mr. von Habsburg makes it clear that all nations bordering the Mediterranean Sea – including those in North Africa and the Middle East – have a place in his broad vision for tomorrow's Europe." In other interviews Otto indeed claimed that as far as he is concerned, Africa starts with the Sahara. The small strip above it should still be included in Europe. Otto is also happy to see that Central and Eastern Europe starts to have more and more influence in the rest of Europe.

When Otto von Habsburg visited the United States in April 2005, one of the few people he spoke with in private was Henry Kissinger.
Also interviewed by a few newspapers during his visit to the United States. April 18, 2005, Washington Times, 'Habsburg, 92, has eye on future': "The Cosmos Club's windows were ablaze with light... talk centered on Archduke Otto's lifelong quest to build and expand the European Union.
"Ten new states have recently been admitted, and we are waiting for others, especially Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and the Ukraine," he told a reporter...

Archduke Otto, amazingly hale and hearty at 92, readily admitted the EU was "already too big and unwieldy" but said that shouldn't matter: "The new [member states] will be better Europeans than the old because they know the totalitarian alternative. They will enrich us enormously." Later, he praised the Ukrainians for courageously taking to the streets to ensure democratic rule." Official supporter of Europe for Christ, which was founded in July 2005 and aims to insert the values of catholicism in the European constitution and the life of Europeans. The Vatican was "surprised" in 2003 that there was no specific reference to God and Christianity in the proposed EU constitution, even though the general importance of religions and spirituality on human society was in fact mentioned.
Otto supports the Vatican on this issue. In November 2005 Otto denounced Putin as a KGB dictator and spoke in favor of Khodorkovsky, the famous oligarch, being released. Bavaria is known to have made large investments in Russia since the Oligarchs came to power. February 5-6, 2004, European Navigator/Jean Monnet Foundation for Europe, Otto von Habsburg interview in which he replies to the question what he thinks were the key players in European integration (translated from French): "Charles de Gaulle in the first place. Certainly one of the big visionaries of Europe... I will certainly also say Adenauer. Adenauer with his Rhenish vision because the Rhine plays a fundamental role in this Europe... Coudenhove, certainly; and... Schuman... I put them at the same level...
Coudenhove said: "You know, it is awfully difficult to make Europe with the English, but without them, it is impossible" That is very true. And in case of France, that's also true. There are a lot of difficulties with the French, but we cannot make it without them. They are an essential element to us and without De Gaulle... France would have collapsed completely."

February 5-6, 2004, European Navigator/Jean Monnet Foundation for Europe, Otto von Habsburg interview in which he replies to the question what he thinks about Jean Monnet (translated from French): "Jean Monnet had a role, an important role, but he certainly was not the only one... the relations between Monnet and Coudenhove were not exactly very intimate... I was on the side of Coudenhove during the whole time, because I agreed with his vision. Jean Monnet was rather a technocrat and Coudenhove was a prophet and a visionary. It was that big of a difference, in my opinion."
In the end the only differences between Monnet and Otto seem to be that Otto is taking things slower and has traditionally not really been concerned with Britain entering the European Union, as this was not an original Paneuropean objective.
Otto von Habsburg has been named as a member of the Order of Malta, a member of Opus Dei, and a member of the Mont Pelerin Society (a branch of the Paneuropa Union). Prominent Catholic and a patron of the Augustan Society. Former sovereign of the Order of the Golden Fleece, which has now become his son. King Juan Carlos of Spain is head of the only other Order of the Golden Fleece. Has also been named as a member of the controversial Order of Zion, if it even exists, or existed.
Other rumors about the Order of Zion have named Cercle members Alain Poher and Giulio Andreotti. Otto and his wife reside at the Villa Austria in Pöcking, Bavaria, Germany.

Otto von Habsburg's oldest son, Karl Habsburg (b. 1961), who is to be the future head of the Habsburg family, married Baroness Francesca von Thyssen-Bornemisza in 1993.
Baroness Francesca is the daughter of Baron Hans Heinrich von Thyssen-Bornemisza, who was a member of the 1001 Club.
They had three children in the 1990s, whose godmother is Gloria von Thurn und Taxis, the wife of the late Prince Johannes von Thurn und Taxis.
Karl is president of the Pan Europa Union in Austria and currently serves as the elected OVP Party representative of Austria to the European Parliament. His son Georg von Habsburg is a Hungarian diplomat to the EU and his daughter, Countess Walburga Douglas, is a Pan Europa representative, politician and author.

The Habsburg Empire did not entirely end after WWI. Currently HSH Prince Hans Adam II of Liechtenstein is a Habsburg monarch. He also has close ties to the Vatican, is a member of the Knights of Malta, and at least a supporter of Opus Dei. Hans Adam's younger brother sits on the board of the Coudenhove-Kalergi Foundation, together with Otto von Habsburg, Count Hans Huyn, Jakob Coudenhove-Kalergi (nephew of Richard, the founder of the Paneuropa Union), and Prince Carlo della Torre e Tasso (Thurn und Taxis).

01-08-2010, 06:18 AM
The foreign policy of Henri IV was directed against the Habsburgs. Without declaring war, he did all possible harm to them by alliances and diplomacy. In Italy he gained the grand duke of Tuscany -- marrying his niece Marie de Medici in 1600 -- the duke of Mantua, the republic of Venice and Pope Paul V. The duke of Savoy, who had held back from the treaty of Vervins in 1598, signed the treaty of Lyons in 1601; in exchange for the marquisate of Saluzzo, France acquired Bresse, Bugey, Valromey and the bailliage of Gex. In the Low Countries, Henri sent subsidies to the Dutch in their struggle against Spain. He concluded alliances with the Protestant princes in Germany, with the duke of Lorraine, the Swiss cantons (treaty of Soleure, 1602) and with Sweden.

12-05-2013, 12:19 AM
they don't look human? out of all the 13 Elite bloodlines I have bothered to look at, the habsburgs look the most sinister looking reptillian types there is no denying that.