Magic mushrooms

[deano]

anyone try any?

im interested but its hard now the fascist cocksuckers have made something natural 'illegal'.

i really want to experience some but have no idea where to get them from. i could go searching the fields. are they always there or do you have to go at a specific time in the year?

[them]

anyone try any?

im interested but its hard now the fascist cocksuckers have made something natural 'illegal'.

i really want to experience some but have no idea where to get them from. i could go searching the fields. are they always there or do you have to go at a specific time in the year?

Deano, is your Dad called Kevin?

Click here (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9522-magic-mushrooms-really-cause-spiritual-experiences.html) for edification my brother..

http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/ImgGalery/Dictionary/Freshly-Picked-Shrooms.jpg

[21_12_2012]

Don't waste your time...they'll just make you feel sick...nervous and probably paranoid...you'll get more enlightenment out of a benson and hedges mate.

[i am all i am]

anyone try any?

im interested but its hard now the fascist cocksuckers have made something natural 'illegal'.

i really want to experience some but have no idea where to get them from. i could go searching the fields. are they always there or do you have to go at a specific time in the year?

G'day Deano, welcome to the forum.

Here's a link for you with plenty of info.......
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml

You could also do a search through the forum for other links and info.

magic mushrooms - Google Search

With LOVE.

[pollock]

Don't waste your time...they'll just make you feel sick...nervous and probably paranoid...you'll get more enlightenment out of a benson and hedges mate.

Maybe you ate the wrong ones...:o

F

[seanx]

Pollock, did you try them? What effect did they have on you?

And does your state of mind, or consciousness before you consume
them affect what you experience, feel?

i remember reading somewhere that a Shaman ( is that the right word?)
will take time before to meditate and 'raise up their consciousness', before they partake of such substances.

[pollock]

Oh, as many different effects as the times Ive tried them, I have only tried the mellower kinds, and never too much at the time, always in natural surroundings!
For me they seem to highten all my senses slightly and warp reallity in a pleasant way, but that I am sure is very individual!
I would say that any consiousness altering drug should only be taken when you are in balance with your feelings and also be taken seriously.
And always do them together with someone you trust and who knows whats going on the first time!

My veiws anyways
F

[21_12_2012]

Maybe you ate the wrong ones...:o

F

:) maybe i didnt...maybe i've sussed out how to be enlightened without the help of drugs. :)

Is this forum for educating and enlightening people, or is it a place to talk about drugs?
Think about the kids that read it.

[auron]

There is nothing wrong with magic mushrooms when taken correctly. One should do plenty of research on them before even thinking of trying them. Have a look around the net for some of Terence Mckenna's mp3s.

They have been used for thousands of years, by much more enlightened cultures :)

Everything you hear or read about them in the mainstream media is complete bollocks, and there is a massive campaign to keep people with no information about them fearing them.

Check my post from a few days ago, for a link to a video about successful mushroom cultivation for beginners if anyone is interested.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2856

[i am all i am]

:) maybe i didnt...maybe i've sussed out how to be enlightened without the help of drugs. :)

Is this forum for educating and enlightening people, or is it a place to talk about drugs?
Think about the kids that read it.

G'day 21 12 2012.

If you were "enlightened", you would allow others to talk about whatever they so desire, without attempting to lay a guilt trip on them with the "Think about the kids that read it." line.


With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

G'day 21 12 2012.

If you were "enlightened", you would allow others to talk about whatever they so desire, without attempting to lay a guilt trip on them with the "Think about the kids that read it." line.


With LOVE.

Maybe if i hadn't had first hand experience of the horrors of drug addiction, and numerous bad trips myself, and seen numerous ex-friends have them, then i wouldn't care....but i have...so i do care...
Mushrooms show you that life is illusion...wow...we know that without taking them....
The paraoia and the sense of lostness isn't good..at all.

It's simple...all drugs are bad....

If they're not bad, why not start a thread about heroin and crack cocaine? After all, they're naturally-derived too.

If you lived round where i live, you'd see the damage drugs does to kids.

[pollock]

:) maybe i didnt...maybe i've sussed out how to be enlightened without the help of drugs. :)

Is this forum for educating and enlightening people, or is it a place to talk about drugs?
Think about the kids that read it.

I didn't say anything about enlightenment, I just dont think it sounds like the effects of magic mushrooms, more like fly agaric or something!

F

[i am all i am]

Maybe if i hadn't had first hand experience of the horrors of drug addiction, and numerous bad trips myself, and seen numerous ex-friends have them, then i wouldn't care....but i have...so i do care...
Mushrooms show you that life is illusion...wow...we know that without taking them....
The paraoia and the sense of lostness isn't good..at all.

It's simple...all drugs are bad....

If they're not bad, why not start a thread about heroin and crack cocaine? After all, they're naturally-derived too.

If you lived round where i live, you'd see the damage drugs does to kids.

Actually I was in the Police Force for two years and saw plenty of drug addiction.

You are avoiding your own responsibility for drug abuse. It wasn't the drug that forced you to take it, you chose to.

"It's simple...all drugs are bad...." <---- and what do you base this statement upon ? Have you taken and experienced all drugs to be able to make this statement ?

"If they're not bad, why not start a thread about heroin and crack cocaine? After all, they're naturally-derived too." <----- and they have been altered by man.

With LOVE.

[auron]

I just dont think it sounds like the effects of magic mushrooms, more like fly agaric or something!

F

I agree.

It pisses me off that mushrooms are put into the "drug" category, you see this is what we have in our world, people that know nothing of the history of mushrooms comparing them to horrendous things like heroin and cocaine!

[21_12_2012]

I didn't say anything about enlightenment, I just dont think it sounds like the effects of magic mushrooms, more like fly agaric or something!

F

I'm 37 soon...i started smoking weed at 16...and taking mushrooms at 17..i know the difference between fly agaric (amanita muscaria) and libery caps (psylocibin)
Namely, one is a massive red and white thing(fly agaric) and the others are exactly what is on the picture on the previous page.
There is not much at all that anyone on this forum can say to me about drugs that i already know, and have known for almost 20 years, so please don't insult my intelligence.
If you people want to believe that mushrooms (and other drugs) are great and will help you on your spiritual journey, more fool you !

And if people want to twist the facts about heroin and cocaine being un-natural, then fair enough, believe that.
The facts are:- coca leaves are natural, and so are white opium poppies..does that make them positive?

[21_12_2012]

Actually I was in the Police Force for two years and saw plenty of drug addiction.

So you should know better than to promote them on forums like this.

You are avoiding your own responsibility for drug abuse. It wasn't the drug that forced you to take it, you chose to.

Plus peer pressure, people saying 'it's safe...it doesn't make you want to try other things' which it does.

"It's simple...all drugs are bad...." <----
and what do you base this statement upon ? Have you taken and experienced all drugs to be able to make this statement ?

Most except heroin yes. And everyone i've had is bad

"If they're not bad, why not start a thread about heroin and crack cocaine? After all, they're naturally-derived too." <-----
and they have been altered by man.

Like i said, they're BOTH naturally-derived...not much alteration at all...

With LOVE.[/QUOTE]

[i am all i am]

And if people want to twist the facts about heroin and cocaine being un-natural, then fair enough, believe that.
The facts are:- coca leaves are natural, and so are white opium poppies..does that make them positive?

Heroin and cocain have been altered by man. You even said yourself that they are "DERIVED" from plants.

As for opium....Grandmaster Yip Man, who taught Bruce Lee Wing Chun Kung Fu, smoke an opium pipe every day until he died at the age of 96.


With LOVE.

[auron]

When people take mushrooms just to "get high" are in for trouble. All this "Bad trip" malarky that people experience is because they have no idea whatsoever as to how these mystical substances should be properly taken. These things are not toys, and not to be taken just to feel good and should be massively respected. :)

[21_12_2012]

Heroin and cocain have been altered by man. You even said yourself that they are "DERIVED" from plants.

As for opium....Grandmaster Yip Man, who taught Bruce Lee Wing Chun Kung Fu, smoke an opium pipe every day until he died at the age of 96.


With LOVE.

Heroin and cocaine are virtually the same as the plants they come from....you can use the "altered by man" line all day long...it doesn't alter the evilness of the drugs though does it.
Yip Man eh...what a guy....i wonder where the human race would be if we all smoked opium every day.
Never mind, drug users like to live in denial...i know that from personal experience...I'm glad i don't touch drugs any more anyway.

[i am all i am]

Quote:
Originally Posted by i am all i am
Actually I was in the Police Force for two years and saw plenty of drug addiction.

So you should know better than to promote them on forums like this.
Hahahahahahaha. Another attempted guilt trip. Hehehehehehehe.

Quote:
You are avoiding your own responsibility for drug abuse. It wasn't the drug that forced you to take it, you chose to.

Plus peer pressure, people saying 'it's safe...it doesn't make you want to try other things' which it does.

"It's simple...all drugs are bad...." <----
As I said, YOU are avoiding responsibility for your actions and attempting to blame an outside source, namely drugs and other people.

Quote:
and what do you base this statement upon ? Have you taken and experienced all drugs to be able to make this statement ?

Most except heroin yes. And everyone i've had is bad

"If they're not bad, why not start a thread about heroin and crack cocaine? After all, they're naturally-derived too." <-----
Wow, most. Does this include Iboga ? Ergo ? Mescaline ? Pharmaceutical drugs ?

Quote:
and they have been altered by man.

Like i said, they're BOTH naturally-derived...not much alteration at all...
But they are altered.

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

...I'm glad i don't touch drugs any more anyway.

"...you'll get more enlightenment out of a benson and hedges mate."

Maybe you do and maybe you don't, but you definitely promote them, as the above quote from your first post on this thread shows.

With LOVE.

[didgeylee]

All drugs are bad when ABUSED However when used repectfully you can learn alot about yourself and the nature of reality.You learn a lot more from the bad trips. Set and Setting are vital to a pleasent trip. The government demonise
hallucigens because they open your conciousness to the fact that reality is an illusion. I started experimenting with lsd and shrooms in 89 for about 5 years and i'm sure it has made me a more rounded person.

PEACE

[21_12_2012]

Plus peer pressure, people saying 'it's safe...it doesn't make you want to try other things' which it does.

"It's simple...all drugs are bad...."

As I said, YOU are avoiding responsibility for your actions and attempting to blame an outside source, namely drugs and other people.

Read the post, and don't twist things...i said PLUS peer pressure...it is a contributory factor to MOST drug use and addictions.

I would hazard a guess that you smoke cannabis yourself....it has the tendancy to make the user attempt to disregard facts and twist truths....not good really is it....i know from personal experience...self delusion is never the answer.
The fact is, drugs 'shelve' people's problems, and temporarily take people out of this 'reality' and out of their 'mind'...but we all have to come down and face reality again...and cannabis smokers know only too well that the world seems so much shitter when they're not stoned...until they have the next joint.
Is that something to encourage others to do, or brag about?
No.
This forum seems to have a large number of cannabis smokers and drug takers, each to their own i say, but what relevance it has to the forum by making out drugs are something new/fashionable, or even positive, is beyond me.
Been there....done it....managed to escape it...

[auron]

I recommend www.erowid.org to everyone i know.
I'd say spend a few months researching everything there is to know about all kinds of drugs. :)

[rossus]

i've had a couple of bad trips (headfucks) myself,
and these were some of the most important experiences in my life...

because they showed me my own uglyness.
how much i refused to love myself and others.

through experiences with magic mushrooms,
i have also come in contact with unconditional love (god).

without these experiences i would have been so lost right now.
i might have been a deadman, a heroin-junkie or a psychopath now.



unfortunately, magic mushrooms do not have this healing effect on everyone who takes these drugs... in which way one is going to change from taking them, is hard to know in advance.

if you do decide to take magic mushrooms,
i suggest you learn how to meditate before you take the mushrooms.
use this (http://users.telenet.be/psy/muziek/learnmeditation) mp3 file a couple of times first. he will explain how you meditate.
i would recommend you meditate sitting with your back straight on two pillows, with legs crossed, everyday for 30 to 50 minutes everyday.
after about 10 to 30 sessions you will start to get a grip on it.

when you take the mushrooms
make sure you are in a safe environment with no people that will disturb you.
make sure that the room is big enough (so you don't feel claustrophobic).
make sure you have some fruit to eat during the trip.
make sure you can at least open a window, but preferably stand outside for a bit... to take some fresh air.
make sure the dose is not too big for your first time. get some nice music (like ISHQ or CELTIC CROSS or MYSTERY OF THE YETI), and when the effects are starting allow everything to be as it is and trust in love :)

[21_12_2012]

"...you'll get more enlightenment out of a benson and hedges mate."

Maybe you do and maybe you don't, but you definitely promote them, as the above quote from your first post on this thread shows.

With LOVE.

I doubt that even you could miss sarcasm when you see it..haha promoting cigarettes...that's a good one.

[i am all i am]

Plus peer pressure, people saying 'it's safe...it doesn't make you want to try other things' which it does.

"It's simple...all drugs are bad...."

Originally Posted by i am all i am
As I said, YOU are avoiding responsibility for your actions and attempting to blame an outside source, namely drugs and other people.

Read the post, and don't twist things...i said PLUS peer pressure...it is a contributory factor to MOST drug use and addictions.
Maybe it is you that should "read the post". YOU are avoiding responsibility for YOUR choices. YOU decided, YOU chose. Did the drugs run up your legs, force your mouth open, jump inside and make you swallow them ???
I would hazard a guess that you smoke cannabis yourself..That's a given. I already told you this on another thread...it has the tendancy to make the user attempt to disregard facts and twist truths..Maybe that was merely your experience because that is what you always did, as you say, you know from personal experience. Maybe you are then merely projecting your experience onto everyone else and disregarding what they are telling you was their experience...not good really is it....i know from personal experience...self delusion is never the answer.
The fact is, drugs 'shelve' people's problems, and temporarily take people out of this 'reality' and out of their 'mind'...but we all have to come down and face reality again...and cannabis smokers know only too well that the world seems so much shitter when they're not stoned..I love this world. Obviously projecting your own experiences again...until they have the next joint.
Is that something to encourage others to do, or brag about?
No.
This forum seems to have a large number of cannabis smokers and drug takers, each to their own i say, but what relevance it has to the forum by making out drugs are something new/fashionable, or even positive, is beyond me.
Been there....done it....managed to escape it...You haven't escaped it. You've merely changed the drug that you are addicted to for another.

With LOVE.

[midwich cuckoo]

"All drugs are bad".... This statement is totally false.

I was prescribed Tramadol Hydrochloride (powerful painkillers) However I still suffer with the pain, although not as bad but I also had nasty side effects - nausea, headaches, vomiting etc.

But when I smoke (pure) cannabis, I have no pain and no need to take the nasty (legal) painkillers.

The sooner cannabis is available for pain relief the better, it's people like you who deny people like me a pain free life.

[i am all i am]

"All drugs are bad".... This statement is totally false.

I was prescribed Tramadol Hydrochloride (powerful painkillers) However I still suffer with the pain, although not as bad but I also had nasty side effects - nausea, headaches, vomiting etc.

But when I smoke (pure) cannabis, I have no pain and no need to take the nasty (legal) painkillers.

The sooner cannabis is available for pain relief the better, it's people like you who deny people like me a pain free life.

G'day Midwich Cuckoo.

And yet he say that he cares.

Maybe he forgot to add that he only cares about his own agenda.

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

i've had a couple of bad trips (headfucks) myself,
and these were some of the most important experiences in my life...

because they showed me my own uglyness.
how much i refused to love myself and others.

through experiences with magic mushrooms,
i have also come in contact with unconditional love (god).

without these experiences i would have been so lost right now.
i'd probably be a deadman, a heroin-junkie or a psychopath.



unfortunately, magic mushrooms do not have this healing effect on everyone who takes these drugs... in which way one is going to change from taking them, is hard to know in advance.

if you do decide to take magic mushrooms,
i suggest you learn how to meditate before you take the mushrooms.
use this (http://users.telenet.be/psy/muziek/learnmeditation) mp3 file a couple of times first. he will explain how you meditate.
i would recommend you meditate sitting with your back straight on two pillows, with legs crossed, everyday for 30 to 50 minutes everyday.
after about 10 to 30 sessions you will start to get a grip on it.

when you take the mushrooms
make sure you are in a safe environment with no people that will disturb you.
make sure that the room is big enough (so you don't feel claustrophobic).
make sure you have some fruit to eat during the trip.
make sure you can at least open a window, but preferably stand outside for a bit... to take some fresh air.
make sure the dose is not too big for your first time. get some nice music (like ISHQ or CELTIC CROSS or MYSTERY OF THE YETI), and when the effects are starting allow everything to be as it is and trust in love :)

G'day Rossus.

Thank you for sharing your experiences adn understandings.

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

Nothing changes here really does it...!
The smokers keep smoking and deluding themselves...and standing up for the so-called positive effects of drugs...yet underneath they know its all a waste of time....
I do feel sorry for drug addicts...as for having my own agenda..ahha..talk about trying to twist things...!

I do hope young kids dont read the bullshit about drugs on here...if they do, and decide to get into drugs, then at least it's not because of anything I've said anyway...my conscience is clear.

I_am_all_i_am, write what you like about me, it has no effect..i KNOW the truths :)

[i am all i am]

I do hope young kids dont read the bullshit about drugs on here...if they do, and decide to get into drugs, then at least it's not because of anything I've said anyway...my conscience is clear.
You are 100% correct that nothing changes....you are still attempting to play the guilt trip
I_am_all_i_am, write what you like about me, it has no effect..i KNOW the truths :) Truths ??? you mean there is more than one truth. Should I alter my signature....
What is TRUTH ? THAT THE ONENESS IS ALL.
Nah...there is one truth because all is one.

With LOVE.

[midwich cuckoo]

...The smokers keep smoking and deluding themselves...and standing up for the so-called positive effects of drugs...yet underneath they know its all a waste of time....

You really have no clue about how effective cannabis is for pain relief and to be honest I hope you never have to find out.

[oneofmany]

Don't waste your time...they'll just make you feel sick...nervous and probably paranoid...you'll get more enlightenment out of a benson and hedges mate.You only get out of a trip, what you take into it. Which suggests to me that you are paranoid and nervous. As for being sick, you obviously didn't prepare them, just consumed, so you get what all good consumers deserve in a trip, a sick ride.

[21_12_2012]

Guilt trip ? Nope...presenting facts....yep

[21_12_2012]

You really have no clue about how effective cannabis is for pain relief and to be honest I hope you never have to find out.

I have plenty clues....the drug simply takes the minds attention off the pain..the pain doesn't go...any drug will do this..even beer...it is merely the mind being altered...which..if you're strong minded enough, you can do yourself without drugs...i can anyway.

[siliconpsychosis]

In 2000, Terence McKenna wrote:

"We wouldn't be here if it weren't for psychedelic drugs. In terms of the role of psilocybin in human evolution on the grasslands of Africa, people not on drugs were behind the curve. The fact is that, in terms of human evolution, people not on psychedelics are not fully human. They've fallen to a lower state, where they're easily programmed, boundary defined, obsessed by sexual possessiveness which is transferred into fetishism and object obsession. We don't want too many citizens asking where the power and the money really goes. Informed by psychedelics, people might stop saluting. 'Take your political party, your job, whatever, and shove it.' "

http://www.tryptamind.com/terence_mckenna.html

[i am all i am]

You really have no clue about how effective cannabis is for pain relief and to be honest I hope you never have to find out.

It's because he "abused it" and didn't "use it". A self confessed addict/abuser that cannot see that any form of abuse is a lack of self-worth/self-love, and a choice that he made all by himself.

I understand where you are coming from with the pain relief Midwich and I also would love it if he never has to find out about it. In fact, I prefer it for him to continue his agenda of anti-drugs campaign than to experience any pain whatsoever.

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

You only get out of a trip, what you take into it. Which suggests to me that you are paranoid and nervous. As for being sick, you obviously didn't prepare them, just consumed, so you get what all good consumers deserve in a trip, a sick ride.

haha Actually i am a VERY confident person..it was only under the influence of drugs that i wasn't !

And when i did prepare mushrooms, i boiled them properly...cleaned them beforehand..prepared them perfectly...i must have had them 20 times in my life...
Did i say i only had bad trips? no...you said that...assumptions.

Mushrooms are shite...and everyone i know who has had them apart from 1 person, had them once and once only...many of them cried....and most of them said it was the worst drug they've ever taken.
Enlightenment eh! haha i doubt it.

[i am all i am]

[QUOTE=21_12_2012;32607]I have plenty clues..and ignored or misinterpreted them...[QUOTE]

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

Where i live, i can buy ecstasy pills for 50p, acid for £1, cannabis for £25 an ounce..heroin for £5 a bag..cocaine for £20 a gram...does that sound like the illuminati want to keep this away from us, or does it sound like they want us to take drugs...hmm i wonder...
Even the most retarded of people can see that drugs are merely a temporary release for the weaker minded...

And for your information, i did not abuse drugs...i took them for years and years and years, and they abused me...as they do to all people who continue to take them.
They solve nothing, and they achieve nothing.

But, stand up for drugs if that's what floats your boat !

I'm glad i am strong minded, confident and enlightened enough to keep away !

[oneofmany]

:) maybe i didnt...maybe i've sussed out how to be enlightened without the help of drugs. :)

Is this forum for educating and enlightening people, or is it a place to talk about drugs?
Think about the kids that read it.Mushrooms are not drugs, they are sacred, grown from the earth and are enlightening if you go into it with the right attitude. As for children, in South America and other native cultures around the world, children are given Mushrooms, among other things at an early age, to teach them about the nature of reality. As for you sussing out how to be enlightened without Mushrooms, The psilocybin acts as a gateway between dimensions, which cannot be reached by any other means. The Bible refers to the psilocybin mushroom as the Manna From Heaven. So there are also religious grounds to take them as well. Educating is what we are doing here, we are not condoning the use of these things, only stating facts, which you seem a bit short on I believe.
for more enlightenment try here (http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml)

[midwich cuckoo]

I have plenty clues....the drug simply takes the minds attention off the pain..the pain doesn't go...any drug will do this..even beer...it is merely the mind being altered...which..if you're strong minded enough, you can do yourself without drugs...i can anyway.

Ah now I see, I'm just weak minded, thanks for sharing!. :rolleyes:

[i am all i am]

haha Actually i am a VERY confident person..it was only under the influence of drugs that i wasn't !
Plus peer pressure,
So confident that you bowed to peer group pressure and couldn't say "no".


With LOVE.

[oneofmany]

Where i live, i can buy ecstasy pills for 50p, acid for £1, cannabis for £25 an ounce..heroin for £5 a bag..cocaine for £20 a gram...does that sound like the illuminati want to keep this away from us, or does it sound like they want us to take drugs...hmm i wonder...
Even the most retarded of people can see that drugs are merely a temporary release for the weaker minded...

And for your information, i did not abuse drugs...i took them for years and years and years, and they abused me...as they do to all people who continue to take them.
They solve nothing, and they achieve nothing.

But, stand up for drugs if that's what floats your boat !

I'm glad i am strong minded, confident and enlightened enough to keep away !

What's the price for mushrooms, or can't you seem to buy them? This is the one they want to keep us away from, not the shit I have highlighted. As I said, the use of the psilocybin mushroom is a holy act and can reveal the truth of things. If you used man-made drugs in the past, you deserve what you got. How stupid, to take that shit, when there are natural substances growing in the ground.

[i am all i am]

And for your information, i did not abuse drugs...i took them for years and years and years, and they abused me...as they do to all people who continue to take them. Right...and you had a reason/purpose for using them didn't you....that's why you needed the peer group pressure to start taking them....so what was your reason/purpose for taking "drugs" ?

With LOVE.

[oneofmany]

Heroin and cocaine are virtually the same as the plants they come from....you can use the "altered by man" line all day long...it doesn't alter the evilness of the drugs though does it.
Yip Man eh...what a guy....i wonder where the human race would be if we all smoked opium every day.
Never mind, drug users like to live in denial...i know that from personal experience...I'm glad i don't touch drugs any more anyway.If it was legal and cheap, probably in a much better position than we are today

[21_12_2012]

The psilocybin acts as a gateway between dimensions, which cannot be reached by any other means.

Well, I must be special then, because i can reach it without drugs ! And i'm sure countless buddhist monks and similar spiritual people can too !

The Bible refers to the psilocybin mushroom as the Manna From Heaven. So there are also religious grounds to take them as well.

Religion eh...haha...greatest form of control for the masses !...some people take heroin religiously 5 times a day...does that make them good people?!

Educating is what we are doing here, we are not condoning the use of these things, only stating facts, which you seem a bit short on I believe.

Get real..i know more about drugs than most people on here put together...but do people want to listen? haha not the users anyway.

And please don't reply to me with the erowid link...i started reading that website years ago...there's nothing more i need or care to read from there thanks !

Why is it so hard for people to understand where i'm coming from and where i've been....!

[midwich cuckoo]

Why is it so hard for people to understand where i'm coming from and where i've been....!

Maybe because you're "special". :rolleyes:

[i am all i am]

...cannabis for £25 an ounce..!

That's a great price, approximately $60 - $70 Australian.

I know where I can get natural bush for $100 - $125 an ounce.

I have no income and therefore no money otherwise you could hook me up. Perhaps you could help Midwich Cuckoo out and hook him up with your dealer, that is if you care that he remains pain free.

Actually, is it bush ? none of that chem hydro shit is it ?

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

It's so easy to get drug-users wound up...that's because they defend drugs to the very end...never mind..what can ya do !

I cant be arsed replying to any more of these pathetic excuses to take drugs...you guys carry on !
Good luck to you :)

But, any kids reading this, this is for you:-
Forget drugs...take it from someone who knows...an EX-user...they will prevent your spiritual growth, not assist it.

[oneofmany]

Plus peer pressure, people saying 'it's safe...it doesn't make you want to try other things' which it does.

"It's simple...all drugs are bad...."



Read the post, and don't twist things...i said PLUS peer pressure...it is a contributory factor to MOST drug use and addictions.

I would hazard a guess that you smoke cannabis yourself....it has the tendancy to make the user attempt to disregard facts and twist truths....not good really is it....i know from personal experience...self delusion is never the answer.
The fact is, drugs 'shelve' people's problems, and temporarily take people out of this 'reality' and out of their 'mind'...but we all have to come down and face reality again...and cannabis smokers know only too well that the world seems so much shitter when they're not stoned...until they have the next joint.
Is that something to encourage others to do, or brag about?
No.
This forum seems to have a large number of cannabis smokers and drug takers, each to their own i say, but what relevance it has to the forum by making out drugs are something new/fashionable, or even positive, is beyond me.
Been there....done it....managed to escape it...

Your worse than a reformed smoker mate. Cannabis, like any natural substance, when untouched is not addictive, it's the personality behind the substance that has the addictive tendencies. You should have known this about yourself before you took any substance at all. The fault is squarely on your shoulders.

[midwich cuckoo]

Perhaps you could help Midwich Cuckoo out and hook him up with your dealer, that is if you care that he remains pain free.

I'll pass on that, from the sounds of it, 25 quid an ounce it's bound to be shit, no wonder you don't like cannabis.

I have my own homegrown supply and couldn't be happier with it. ;)

[i am all i am]

Why is it so hard for people to understand where i'm coming from and where i've been....!

It's easy to understand where you're coming from.....you are anti-drugs and your agenda is to attempt to stop everyone from using their free will to decide for themselves about whether or not they would like to put a substance within their own body.

Simple.

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

I cant be arsed replying to any more of these pathetic excuses to take drugs...you guys carry on !
Good luck to you :)

Obi-Wan: In my experience, there's no such thing as luck.

So long, farewell, Auf wiedersehen, adieu,
Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu.

With LOVE.

[oneofmany]

haha Actually i am a VERY confident person..it was only under the influence of drugs that i wasn't !

And when i did prepare mushrooms, i boiled them properly...cleaned them beforehand..prepared them perfectly...i must have had them 20 times in my life...
Did i say i only had bad trips? no...you said that...assumptions.

Mushrooms are shite...and everyone i know who has had them apart from 1 person, had them once and once only...many of them cried....and most of them said it was the worst drug they've ever taken.
Enlightenment eh! haha i doubt it.These people you talk about, obviously don't know themselves, just like you, because if you did you would have gotten something out of the experience, because you were actively looking for it instead of being a dead head druggo, like your mates by the sounds of it.

[21_12_2012]

It's easy to understand where you're coming from.....you are anti-drugs and your agenda is to attempt to stop everyone from using their free will to decide for themselves about whether or not they would like to put a substance within their own body.

Simple.

With LOVE.

Actually...that's not quite correct (although you do like to think you're right about everything!)
What I am doing, is attempting to highlight people like yourself and others on here from potentially influencing kids and weaker minded people (like yourself) from getting into drugs, which seems to be your agenda by the looks of it.

Once again kids:- ignore the people who say drugs are ok...they're not...probably most of these people here cannot stop taking drugs, but that is the last thing they will admit.
The world is full of people, especially young ones, who are not mature enough, or strong minded enough to resist the temptation of drugs, especially nowadays when drugs are so cheap and readily available...don't be one of those people...once you try one drug, you are curious about others...as people on this forum have demonstrated...and i have experienced myself.
It's NOT whether you have an addictive personality or not...drugs can make you have an addictive personality...they make you feel better...they delude your mind...that in itself is addictive...wanting to be in that state again and again...it isn't good for the soul...it is damaging to it.
Read up on the net about how even cannabis ruins lives....
Don't be another statistic. Be your natural self.

[oneofmany]

Well, I must be special then, because i can reach it without drugs ! And i'm sure countless buddhist monks and similar spiritual people can too ! So whad does your link with oneness tell you? What we already know about you, that your a former drug ABUSER who has to be right no matter what!



Religion eh...haha...greatest form of control for the masses !...some people take heroin religiously 5 times a day...does that make them good people?! Maybe, but The Bible itself has nothing to do with organised religion if you don't wish it to, and I don't, and that doesn't stop it from being a highly enlightening book now does it?



Get real..i know more about drugs than most people on here put together...but do people want to listen? haha not the users anyway. I doubt that, as you are coming from an abusers point of view, you missed the whole point of them altogether

And please don't reply to me with the erowid link...i started reading that website years ago...there's nothing more i need or care to read from there thanks ! I would reply with many others, but a lot have been shut down over the past six months. I wonder what they don't want people to know?

Why is it so hard for people to understand where i'm coming from and where i've been....!YES as I have not abused drugs, only used them for specific purposes.

[i am all i am]

These people you talk about, obviously don't know themselves, just like you, because if you did you would have gotten something out of the experience, because you were actively looking for it instead of being a dead head druggo, like your mates by the sounds of it.

It's hard to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys.

http://www.kidzone.ws/animals/turkey8.JPGhttp://www.kidzone.ws/animals/turkey6.JPGhttp://www.kidzone.ws/animals/turkey10.JPG

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

These people you talk about, obviously don't know themselves, just like you, because if you did you would have gotten something out of the experience, because you were actively looking for it instead of being a dead head druggo, like your mates by the sounds of it.

You know absolutely nothing about me...so your comments mean nothing...and obviously from your insulting message, you think I have led the life of a typical down and out drug addict...maybe you have and you're trying to cover it up or something...who knows..and who cares frankly..it's not you i am aiming to reach...it's impressionable young kids.
And for your information, no i wasn't a down and out drug addict...cannabis changes people, and it creates addictive personalities...try asking any cannabis smoker to stop for a month or more..most if not all cannot do it...or they say "i dont want to do it..i enjoy it too much..i dont have a problem"...self denial.
Drugs turn people into losers from what i have seen...i'm glad i'm not one...and your opinions about me have no affect.. i know the truth about drugs, and have known for 20 years...i just didnt want to admit them until i stopped using them.
But that takes a strong mind...not many people can admit it...
Shame.

[21_12_2012]

It's hard to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys.

I'm soaring a LOT higher than you people on your drugs, put it that way !
haha

[21_12_2012]

oneofmany....call me an ex-abuser if it makes you feel better ! Even though the fact is that i just USED drugs, and they actually took control of me...as they have with everyone else who takes them.
I say you are oneofmany users who refuse to admit that you're hooked !

[i am all i am]

Actually...that's not quite correct (although you do like to think you're right about everything!) How do you know what I am thinking ?
What I am doing, is attempting to highlight people like yourself and others on here from potentially influencing kids and weaker minded people (like yourself) from getting into drugs, which seems to be your agenda by the looks of it. That's how you know what I am thinking...you can read minds and that is how you come to the conclusion of me "weaker minded people (like yourself)". Wow, that's impressive, can you read what I am thinking now ?

I cant be arsed replying to any more of these pathetic excuses to take drugs...you guys carry on !
Good luck to you

And yet here you are replying again.....was that a lie ? or merely the attention seeking walkout ?

And I even posted a farewell verse from a song for you.

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

And yet here you are replying again.....was that a lie ? or merely the attention seeking walkout ?

And I even posted a farewell verse from a song for you.

With LOVE.

Grow up.

[i am all i am]

Grow up.

Wow...such a scintillating response...it almost has me speechless...almost.

I did grow up. That's how we become bigger, we "grow up" from the sperm fertilised egg.

If you would like a further explanation, you merely ask and I will endeavour to help you understand how life works.

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

Wow...such a scintillating response...it almost has me speechless...almost.

I did grow up. That's how we become bigger, we "grow up" from the sperm fertilised egg.

If you would like a further explanation, you merely ask and I will endeavour to help you understand how life works.

With LOVE.

You're about as witty as george w bush.
ha....ha....ha....

[i am all i am]

You're about as witty as george w bush.
ha....ha....ha....

Flattery....how touching.

With LOVE.

[auron]

Why are mushrooms here on the planet? You would think that them being here would give people the impression that we are supposed to use them :)

They are not here by accident.

In 2000, Terence McKenna wrote:

"We wouldn't be here if it weren't for psychedelic drugs. In terms of the role of psilocybin in human evolution on the grasslands of Africa, people not on drugs were behind the curve. The fact is that, in terms of human evolution, people not on psychedelics are not fully human. They've fallen to a lower state, where they're easily programmed, boundary defined, obsessed by sexual possessiveness which is transferred into fetishism and object obsession. We don't want too many citizens asking where the power and the money really goes. Informed by psychedelics, people might stop saluting. 'Take your political party, your job, whatever, and shove it.' "

http://www.tryptamind.com/terence_mckenna.html

Totally spot on mate!

[sean]

Guys, can we try and stay on topic?

"Magic" mushrooms - i've tried them. The experience I had was very vivid and real to me. I had a couple of very weak ones, which should officially not do very much other than heighten your perception of sounds and colours.

I saw images, symbols, and heard sounds coming at me a thousand miles an hour. Unfortunately i consciously blocked them out, and tried to resume normality, which only made the trip worse.

I'd be interested to hear anyone who has gone deep and experienced or made sense of what lurks in their trip.

I know that the images and sounds were conveying something meaningful.

[oneofmany]

oneofmany....call me an ex-abuser if it makes you feel better ! Even though the fact is that i just USED drugs, and they actually took control of me...as they have with everyone else who takes them.
I say you are oneofmany users who refuse to admit that you're hooked !

I only use on special occasions if you must know, I have never been nor will I ever be an habitual user, so you really do assume to much as well don't you? You know what they say if you assume, it makes an ass of u and me so don't do it. Denial is beneath you, it really is, you abused drugs, else you would not have become an addict, It's alright, you just have to be honest with yourself.

[i am all i am]

http://www.magic-mushrooms.net/three-kinds-magic-mushrooms.jpghttp://www.magic-mushrooms.net/mushrooms-p-cyanescense.jpg

http://www.magic-mushrooms.net/gallery.html
This is their sections on the site.

Home page of magic mushrooms net

Taking magic mushrooms

Dangers of magic mushrooms

Growing (cultivation) of magic mushrooms

Psilocybe species

Picking and identifying magic mushrooms

Conserving magic mushrooms

Legal issues

Psilocybe pictures

Psychedelic art

Magic mushroom experiences

Magic Mushrooms: religion and spirituality

Magic Mushrooms: history

Magic mushrooms: not a party drug

Sites in other languages

Paddo's:
Online magic mushroom book

Psilocybin

Psychedelic

Hallucinogen

Pychotomimetic

Disclaimer & links to sites not about magic mushrooms

Contact www.magic-mushrooms.net


With LOVE.

[oneofmany]

Guys, can we try and stay on topic?

"Magic" mushrooms - i've tried them. The experience I had was very vivid and real to me. I had a couple of very weak ones, which should officially not do very much other than heighten your perception of sounds and colours.

I saw images, symbols, and heard sounds coming at me a thousand miles an hour. Unfortunately i consciously blocked them out, and tried to resume normality, which only made the trip worse.

I'd be interested to hear anyone who has gone deep and experienced or made sense of what lurks in their trip.

I know that the images and sounds were conveying something meaningful.The symbolic language of life. You will find remnants of it all over Egypt, among other places. Everything sped up because you were literally going out of your mind, which works at the pace of speech, to a thousand times faster that that, into your intuition, if you only let it instead of fighting it. It is a real experience, as real as reality anyway. Next time, if there is a nextime for you, try lo let go of this reality for the full effect.

[i am all i am]

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/pictures/musid1.htm

http://www.kuhj.com/pic/dru_a/musid2d.jpghttp://www.kuhj.com/pic/dru_a/musid3d.jpg

http://www.kuhj.com/pic/dru_a/musid2g.jpg

http://www.kuhj.com/pic/dru_a/musid2h.jpg

http://www.kuhj.com/pic/dru_a/musid1i.jpg

http://www.kuhj.com/pic/dru_a/musid3j.jpg

http://www.kuhj.com/pic/dru_a/musid6a.jpg

http://www.kuhj.com/pic/dru_a/musid1b.jpg

http://www.kuhj.com/pic/dru_a/musid2c.jpg

With LOVE.

[deano]

thanks for the replys people. im definetly going to experience some. and when i get used to them im going to take an heroic dose:cool:

looks like i'll have to grow my own. unless someone wants to send me some:p

[oneofmany]

thanks for the replys people. im definetly going to experience some. and when i get used to them im going to take an heroic dose:cool:

looks like i'll have to grow my own. unless someone wants to send me some:p
Terrence McKenna and his heroic dose :D

[i am all i am]

http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dipbot.unict.it/funghi_etna/photogallery/Amanita%2520muscaria-02.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dipbot.unict.it/funghi_etna/photogallery/page_01.htm&h=480&w=640&sz=133&tbnid=8Mh6o0FVHs7W8M:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Damanita%2Bmuscaria%2Bpictures&start=3&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=3

http://www.dipbot.unict.it/funghi_etna/photogallery/Amanita%20muscaria-02.jpg

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_muscaria_muscaria.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/images/archive/amanita_muscaria_muscaria1.jpg

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

thanks for the replys people. im definetly going to experience some. and when i get used to them im going to take an heroic dose:cool:

looks like i'll have to grow my own. unless someone wants to send me some:p

You are welcome Deano.

I shared with three others, over a five day period in a cave, more than 1,300 psilocybe mushrooms.

For your first trip though, I would recommend that you 'test the waters' first. Start out with a small amount and build up the amount each successive trip until you are where you like it or able to handle it.

With LOVE.

[auron]

Tasty! Those Fly Agarics are completely different from the psilocybin (magic mushroom) types, and have a totally different effect. Due care and attention is needed when taking the amanita species, as they can produce real frightening images. Never take more than 1 at a time, unless you are totally used to them!

Respect the Mushroom! And you will be respected back by them!

:)

[oneofmany]

Tasty! Those Fly Agarics are completely different from the psilocybin (magic mushroom) types, and have a totally different effect. Due care and attention is needed when taking the amanita species, as they can produce real frightening images. Never take more than 1 at a time, unless you are totally used to them!

Respect the Mushroom! And you will be respected back by them!

:)Good Advice

[auron]

A great teacher called María Sabina, was a highly respected shaman who knew everything about mushrooms and people went to see her to be healed. She was an amazing woman, and people that have not heard of her should read about her life!

She certainly wasn't some kind of smack dealer, pushing drugs onto young people! :)

http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/sabina_maria/sabina_maria.shtml

Then read this...

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_article6.shtml

[pollock]

I'm 37 soon...i started smoking weed at 16...and taking mushrooms at 17..i know the difference between fly agaric (amanita muscaria) and libery caps (psylocibin)
Namely, one is a massive red and white thing(fly agaric) and the others are exactly what is on the picture on the previous page.
There is not much at all that anyone on this forum can say to me about drugs that i already know, and have known for almost 20 years, so please don't insult my intelligence.
If you people want to believe that mushrooms (and other drugs) are great and will help you on your spiritual journey, more fool you !

And if people want to twist the facts about heroin and cocaine being un-natural, then fair enough, believe that.
The facts are:- coca leaves are natural, and so are white opium poppies..does that make them positive?

Oh, dear! It was meant as a joke, but if you feel that offended by it I am very sorry, I never meant to question your intelligence, whatever iq has to do with recognicing different mushroom spieces (good work on the latin names, showes you know what you are talking about without bs).
And you are right about coca and poppies they are good used right, there are thousands of people in mountanious areas who couldnt live the life they live if they didnt chew coca leaves (they use them to level out hight sickness) and morphine and other opiats has saved untold lives and made others worth living. (I never use any of them as I dont live high above sealevel or have bad pains)
It is not the drug itself that is bad, its who uses it and why!
And to tell others where they can find help on their spiritual travels or not is a bit pompous, dont you think?
I fully respect your choise and sympathize with your bad experiences, and I wish you only good things on your spiritual journey, please respect mine too!

F

[21_12_2012]

I only use on special occasions if you must know, I have never been nor will I ever be an habitual user, so you really do assume to much as well don't you? You know what they say if you assume, it makes an ass of u and me so don't do it. Denial is beneath you, it really is, you abused drugs, else you would not have become an addict, It's alright, you just have to be honest with yourself.

Actually, no, you're wrong. And apparently you have not fully read my posts (or chose to ignore bits that suit you)
I refer to cannabis/marijuana as being addictive.
So, do you use that on special occasions? Doubtful.
And, like i keep saying, i didn't abuse drugs...they abused me....
Once you try one drug....it makes you curious about OTHER drugs....
Am i right...or am i wrong....
Who's the ass now.

[21_12_2012]

there are thousands of people in mountanious areas who couldnt live the life they live if they didnt chew coca leaves

Addicted is the word.

morphine and other opiats has saved untold lives and made others worth living.

It's just a painkiller...like i said...if you have a strong enough mind, you don't need drugs for any purpose whatsoever.

It is not the drug itself that is bad, its who uses it and why!

That's the favourite sentence of most, if not all, drug users.
Unfortunately, the truth is, drugs make you think that things are actually better than what they really are...this in itself is addictive....it doesn't matter what the reason is as to why you took them in the first place, or how strong minded and positive you are...you will want to repeat the experience, and be curious about OTHER DRUGS.

And to tell others where they can find help on their spiritual travels or not is a bit pompous, dont you think?

Pompous? ...no...
Hopefully helping kids to see some truth?....yes

[pollock]

Yes, you are prob right then!

F

[pollock]

http://www.magic-mushrooms.net/gallery.html




With LOVE.


Nice link, thanks

:)
F

[tommi]

Personally I like shrooms. I don't see the harm in them one bit as long as you don't massively over do it with them. I've had amazing times on them. It was through shrooms that I worked out that the world we live in is merely just a 3d computer game, a hologram, long before I ever started reading about it.

Difference between acid and shrooms is that what you see on acid is not real so to speak, where as with shrooms, you're seeing more of what is actually there. What most of us lose touch with, me included, is the world we live in is one of an infinite number of dimensions. In the past, taking shrooms has helped me fully remember that and life suddenly becomes hysterical again.

As with other drugs, like it's been said, they have their uses. I smoked dope for years and was addicted to it. My lookout, not anyone else's. My Aunty smoked it too as it relieved her arthritis, so what! I've done plenty of others and yeah, they don't have greatly desirable effects afterwards. I wouldn't recommend it, yet I wouldn't tell someone not to, It's their life.

[oneofmany]

Actually, no, you're wrong. And apparently you have not fully read my posts (or chose to ignore bits that suit you)

And, like i keep saying, i didn't abuse drugs...they abused me....
Once you try one drug....it makes you curious about OTHER drugs....
Am i right...or am i wrong....
Who's the ass now.
I refer to cannabis/marijuana as being addictive.
So, do you use that on special occasions? Doubtful.Yes, only when I have a group gathering or part of an awakening experience. eg a party of other social gathering.
Once you try one drug....it makes you curious about OTHER drugs....
Am i right...or am i wrong....Your wrong, I have never wanted to try man made drugs and I never will. I use it as a truth telling, all seeing Herb from god, which is the only other substance I use, who in his wisdom, left it for the beautification of man. If you don't like the response, simply ignore it, like most of what I have said.

Who's the ass now.Well, YOU, for getting addicted.

[a fine naked fellow]

I would never ever suggest to a person to do shrooms or to try something they’re not ready for.

But if you have already experienced shrooms, ahhhh aren’t they fantastic? :p

[oneofmany]

I would never ever suggest to a person to do shrooms or to try something they’re not ready for.

But if you have already experienced shrooms, ahhhh aren’t they fantastic? :p
What you say is correct. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO CHOICE! and if you don't decide to do them, no skin of my nose. There is a real beauty to taking Mushrooms, that most people are yet to discover, but each in their own time and to their own at the end of the day. :)

[tommi]

But if you have already experienced shrooms, ahhhh aren’t they fantastic? :p

Yeah they're great!!

My advice to anyone who's thinking of taking them for the first time is (1) make sure you're in a good frame of mind before taking them and (2) make sure you're with good friends you completely trust and (3) listen to bill hicks when you think you're coming down :)

[oneofmany]

Yeah they're great!!

My advice to anyone who's thinking of taking them for the first time is (1) make sure you're in a good frame of mind before taking them and (2) make sure you're with good friends you completely trust and (3) listen to bill hicks when you think you're coming down :)4) Go to nature. It ain't no use doing them in the concrete jungle we call a city. These things are from nature, so when you take them, it only makes sense, to return to it.

[a fine naked fellow]

I agree one of many, and sound advice tommi.
One time a funny little mushroom kissed me on the nose and told me I was everything.
I believed it.

[eternal_spirit]

Bunch of shroom heads lol

I used to eat them raw whilst picking them. Then I noticed the live maggots crawling about in them(wow those maggots must trip 24 hours a day) unless
they're immune to the tripping effects and just eat the shrooms as food.

Safest way to avoid eating maggots......boil the shrooms up in a pan of water, then drain the juice through a tea strainer into a cup and mix it with tea, coffee or whatever if you don't like the taste of the shrooms.

You can keep adding water to the pan of shrooms(boil them up a few times)
and if you feel like it eat the soggy shrooms that are left in the pan. ;)

I tripped out for over two months at one time. I don't need them anymore, don't think they can show me more than I've allready seen and experienced.

If your going to take a large amount in one go, make sure you have plenty of time to come down, going to work tripping is not good! And stay away from bad vibe merchants, shrooms make you sensitive to others vibrations same as marijuana does.

[oneofmany]

Bunch of shroom heads lol

I used to eat them raw whilst picking them. Then I noticed the live maggots crawling about in them(wow those maggots must trip 24 hours a day) unless
they're immune to the tripping effects and just eat the shrooms as food.

Safest way to avoid eating maggots......boil the shrooms up in a pan of water, then drain the juice through a tea strainer into a cup and mix it with tea, coffee or whatever if you don't like the taste of the shrooms.

You can keep adding water to the pan of shrooms(boil them up a few times)
and if you feel like it eat the soggy shrooms that are left in the pan. ;)

I tripped out for over two months at one time. I don't need them anymore, don't think they can show me more than I've allready seen and experienced.

If your going to take a large amount in one go, make sure you have plenty of time to come down, going to work tripping is not good! And stay away from bad vibe merchants, shrooms make you sensitive to others vibrations same as marijuana does.More good advice if you are planning to be a intranaut.

[_invisibleplane_]

I've had the mushroom experience, very amazing, you gotta have faith in your existence beyond the physical though when dealing with dmt..or thats when a bad trip might arise..but obviously what the key is..is DMT..and you dont need to look to mushrooms if you dont want to risk it, but find other plants, fish, toads, etc that provide it (check out erowid.org)..or even if your pineal gland is healthy, do some hardcore meditation in pure darkness..the DMT will kick in

do it safe, do it with love and respect, and you'll have an enjoyable ride

[father ted]

Hahaha, face you're fears, mushrooms give you that opportunity.

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=8394844811105390386&q=jordan+maxwell

For the mushroom refference, watch 1:38.00 onwards, keep watching and learn (for fucking once). How many times do I have to tell you guys to google vid jordan maxwell?!!!!!!!!

[seanx]

21_12_2012,

I can see your point to a certain extent. I persume you live near a
certain area in Manchester.

I live near areas of Dublin that were nearly wiped out by heroin
addiction in the late eighties. To see it was horrific.

But this was evil bastards TARGETING depressed young kids, 14
upwards - trying to get them hooked - and build a 'local market'.

It was the abuse of drugs. I don't think this applies to young people
who may be on this forum. The fact that they are on this forum means
they are probably open-mined intelligent people.

They are probably going to try them anyhow - so the advice being
given here is very good.

Also we can't really just say 'all natural drugs' are bad. ( I'm not
referring to all the man-made shit, like the street heroin etc, even
the street weed. KEEP AWAY FROM IT. Even your body will find it
repulsive - and deadly)

But our body naturally produces every type of drug. It is the
greatest source of drugs available.

And maybe that's why nature produces these natural drugs.
To provide us with a safe, natural source to aid our own body's
production.

[21_12_2012]

Yes, only when I have a group gathering or part of an awakening experience. eg a party of other social gathering.

We've only got your word on that, which frankly means nothing to me :)

Your wrong, I have never wanted to try man made drugs and I never will. I use it as a truth telling, all seeing Herb from god, which is the only other substance I use, who in his wisdom, left it for the beautification of man. If you don't like the response, simply ignore it, like most of what I have said.

Only got your word on that too...so...ditto....means nothing....
You're trying to say that people who try one drug AREN'T curious about others?....come on...let's be real.....
Ridiculous !

If you asked 100 people who have taken any form of drug in their lives...i think you'll find probably 80% or more will say that mushrooms were the worst, and probably most of that 80% would never take them again, and gained no 'enlightenment' from them whatsoever...

[tommi]

21_12_2012,


I live near areas of Dublin that were nearly wiped out by heroin
addiction in the late eighties. To see it was horrific.



Yeah I saw the same thing happening in Newcastle when I was living there. My best friend there was a reformed addict and he got back into again. It was heartbreaking as he was such a sound and genuine bloke.

I got to know quite a few addicts and the things they would do for a hit was pretty upsetting as I knew deep down they were good folk, as I knew most of them before they even touched the stuff.

To label heroin and crack under the same banner as shrooms, dmt etc. is a little wide of the mark to say the least..

[i am all i am]

Nice link, thanks

:)
F

You are welcome Pollock.

Shroom on sunshine.

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

THE LIVING TREE

PSILOCYBE IN,
THE LIVING TREE,
NO LEAVES TO BE SEEN,
A GIFT THAT'S FREE.

GOLD ON TOP,
IT TURNS TO BLUE,
A SIGN THIS CROP,
IS FOR ME AND YOU.

YOU BOIL IT FIRST,
THEN DRINK THE TEA,
TO QUENCH YOUR THIRST,
FOR KNOWING ETERNITY.

SO JOIN ME NOW,
AND DRINK WITH ME,
LET LOVE SHOW YOU HOW,
TO BE FREE.


With LOVE.

P.S. - I sing this to the mushrooms before I consume them.....merely my choice of showing the mushrooms respect and love....also sets the positive in place for the trip.

[i am all i am]

Actually, no, you're wrong. And apparently you have not fully read my posts (or chose to ignore bits that suit you)
I refer to cannabis/marijuana as being addictive.
So, do you use that on special occasions? Doubtful.
And, like i keep saying, i didn't abuse drugs...they abused me....
Once you try one drug....it makes you curious about OTHER drugs....
Am i right...or am i wrong....
Who's the ass now.

G'day 21 12 2012.

Here is a link for you called 'Addictive Personality'....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1889&highlight=addictive+personality

Please accept it as a gift of sharing knowledge....although that is entirely up to yourself.

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

Great stuff everyone. There is some very good advice that has been shared about the magic mushroom on this thread. Thanks to all that have given freely of their experience and knowledge concerning this sacred plant.

With LOVE.

P.S. - If you listen very, very carefully.....sssshhh....you will hear the mushrooms thanking you for your loving words.

[father ted]

Good onya i'myalli'm, go the shrooms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't like 'em, yall get a fekn kick up yrrrr arse:cool:

ps. google vid jordam maxwell.

[i am all i am]

Good onya i'myalli'm, go the shrooms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't like 'em, yall get a fekn kick up yrrrr arse:cool:

ps. google vid jordam maxwell.

G'day Father Ted,

Thanks for the Jordan Maxwell link, will definiteliy be looking at it.

Be cool......bemushroomed.

With LOVE.

[phoenix1]

anyone try any?

im interested but its hard now the fascist cocksuckers have made something natural 'illegal'.

i really want to experience some but have no idea where to get them from. i could go searching the fields. are they always there or do you have to go at a specific time in the year?


If you are in the UK and it seems other parts too these are good called Liberty
Caps..I dont do them myself anymore they grow all over the place in the UK, you will have to locate some a field with them in though.

COPY AND PASTED
These are hallucinogenic mushrooms that grow wild in many parts of the world and the UK in autumn. The main type used is the liberty cap (Psilocybe semilanceata)

They are good for around 8 hours and you need about 25-30 though ive had hundreds, itt makes no difference and to my knowledge nobody I have heard of has overdoses on this type of mushroom.

UK LAWS ON THEM ...
THE LAW

The law on magic mushrooms has changed. Mushrooms or any fungus containing psilocin or an ester of psilocin have been brought under the Misuse of Drugs Act and are now class A. This came into force July 18 2005.

Mushroom are not dealt with in the black market to any great extent at the moment. Indications show that quantities of around 30 mushrooms, if and when they are sold, sell for around £5 per bag. These prices are merely indicative and do not represent a recognised street price.

Picture
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/images/archive/psilocybe_semilanceata2.jpg

Grow your own ???
http://www.potseeds.co.uk/mushrooms/

and some more info...Must be whey Hawkwind are my favoutite band if tripping lol
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4692359.stm

:) :) :D

Advice... be in natural surroundings with no "staight" people around its better really. LOL

Yeah just get out of the picture ans encloosed spaces can become a pain, nightime and a good log fire is ace an evening when the clouds are out, and the clouds are passing the moon, a good sunset, a snowscape, mirrors are really fun especially antique ones, because you see..if you concentrate all the people who have loked in the mirror, and all the aspects of self...very cool if you are only a weed smoker.....If you have only experience with weed, be i for he ride of your life, psycadelics are off the scale ...so be prepared and cancel all plans and tutn off the mobile phone and the rest will develop... but BE witth cool people and avoid the ego battles that sometimes enter in , as the barriers go down, and a big ego'd person somtimes will try to cling on .

Be very sensitive of what others are feeling and seeing.....the rules are different in the psycadellic arena.

:) :D :D ;)

[i am all i am]

Be very sensitive of what others are feeling and seeing.....the rules are different in the psycadellic arena.

:) :D :D ;)

Yeah....that's when you find freedom and being free means no rules. Totally different than everyday life; and you will have a negative experience if you do not accept responsibility for yourself creating your experience; and
you will have a positive experience if accept responsibility, and you will have "the journey of your life", expressed and experienced, from an awakened state of awareness to the oneness of all life.

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

G'day 21 12 2012.

Here is a link for you called 'Addictive Personality'....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1889&highlight=addictive+personality

Please accept it as a gift of sharing knowledge....although that is entirely up to yourself.

With LOVE.

Oh dear...
It appears from your attempt to patronise and condescend, that you have selectively chosen to ignore certain details of my posts.
If I had an addtive personality, I would still be taking various drugs...correct?...
But no, i do not take drugs now, so therefore, what relevance does the link to an 'addictive personality' thread have whatsoever?...
None...
You, and other drug takers (and potential drug takers) should be reading the information on how drugs can actually CREATE an addiction within people who DO NOT have addictive personalities (as I have stated in my posts several times now)
Isn't it awful how drug takers like to twist words and meanings and throw them back at people to suit their own ends.

[pollock]

Isn't it awful how drug takers like to twist words and meanings and throw them back at people to suit their own ends.

I have met an amazing amount of non drug users who do that as well though!

I really dont see why we should argue about this, it seems futile:confused: !

theres magic in the air!
F

[deano]

anyone ever taken an heroic dose? 5 grams of dried?

[i am all i am]

Oh dear...
It appears from your attempt to patronise and condescend, that you have selectively chosen to ignore certain details of my posts. No attempt at anything but helping you....and "ignore", nope read them all.
If I had an addtive personality, I would still be taking various drugs...correct?... No....you can be addicted to sex for example....or do you mean by drugs, coffee, sugar, etc. ??? Maybe if you read the thread you will understand.
But no, i do not take drugs now, so therefore, what relevance does the link to an 'addictive personality' thread have whatsoever?... If you actually read it you can find out for yourself.....or do you prefer to be spoon fed ???
None...
You, and other drug takers (and potential drug takers) should be reading the information on how drugs can actually CREATE an addiction within people who DO NOT have addictive personalities (as I have stated in my posts several times now) I do not take drugs. I consume plants from nature, the same idea behind eating plants for food, to alter, or reset, the internal chemical structure of the physical body.
Isn't it awful how drug takers like to twist words and meanings and throw them back at people to suit their own ends. 'The Secret Power of Words' thread link....http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3002 .... another thread that may help you in your understanding.

With LOVE.

[rossus]

does not everyone have an addictive personality?

human-egos are pleasure seeking creatures.
anything that is fun or feels good,
the ego wants to repeat as often as possible.

having fun, or seeking pleasure is only wrong when you annoy others
or when you are so attached to the experience of pleasure..
that when you don't experience this pleasure... you feel unhappy.

this is ofcourse the tricky part. i was addicted to getting high before,
and am now on a long break (perhaps forever... i suspect not forever )
so i know what it's like and how easy it is to become addicted.

but i certainly think it's possible, to experience pleasure without becoming addicted.
what is needed is a surrendering. a surrendering to life, under all circumstances.
you need to love life unconditionally... love being high just as much as being sober.
love doing nothing just as much as doing something.
love your friends just as much as your enemy.

and when you love all that life has to offer...
the so called negatives and the so called positives...
with the same intensity. duality disapears.

no more "i don't feel good, because i don't have",
and no more "only now i feel good, because previously i didn't have"
when these 2 are no longer able to exist,
addiction also no longer exists.

when you reach this level of conscious awareness
you can answer for yourself (in an honest way)
how much is bad for me, so how often can i take a certain drug?

you can still seek pleasure (this includes spiritual experiences)
but you will not anymore need pleasure, to escape from your lack of happiness (love)

just be careful, that you never turn your back to your Self (which is love).

[father ted]

anyone ever taken an heroic dose? 5 grams of dried?

Doses in mushrooms shouldn't be counted in grams. You could have one mushroom that has the strength of ten. I had about 30 once and I would call that a heroic dose, oh boy, I wanted to tell my friend that I "met" god, but wtf do you say?

Btw, heroic doses work, just try to get your self away from interference:) that includes other people.

[the norseman]

I posted this in another thread and I would like to hear your responses on it here:

I have never understood why people are so hell bent on altering their perceptions through the use of mind altering substances be they natural or manufactured? I think the human mind is far less limited when it is crystal clear and not bogged down by plagues on the brain tissue. Granted mushrooms may have been used in esoteric cultures since the word dot by they were not utilised by Joe Public popping along to the village common and digging them up. They were used at specific times on specific people who had been "groomed" for want of a better description for their use ie in ceremonies of passing to manhood / womanhood. This for a start would influence what you would feel perceive from them. If you are even slightly wired up wrong due to emotions, the use of other substances etc then I think permenant damage is possible and then you are no good to anyone. Do you think the majority of people that you advocate all doing mushrooms is a good thing? I do not. Mankind is too immature (that is assuming that mushrooms contribute positively - I am convinced that they do not) and as I have said above not mentally / spiritually evolved enough.

I do not want to get into a flaming war - I would like to hear coherent well considered responses please.

The Norseman.

[i am all i am]

Doses in mushrooms shouldn't be counted in grams. You could have one mushroom that has the strength of ten. I had about 30 once and I would call that a heroic dose, oh boy, I wanted to tell my friend that I "met" god, but wtf do you say?

Btw, heroic doses work, just try to get your self away from interference:) that includes other people.

Hehehehe....over 1,300 'blue meanies' psilocybe mushrooms between four of us in five days....does this count as heroic ??? .....the biggest tea contained a bit over 800 mushrooms....hehehe....two of us preparing it actually counted them out....hahaha.....that took a while, but it didn't matter 'cause we were still tripping....and we boiled them for a tad over four hours.....what an experience that tea was.....we were still tripping towards the end of the sixth day....even after having slept for a couple of hours.....an amazing experience that I absolutely loved.

And I agree about getting away from the interference.....the four of us spent five days in a cave on the edge of a cliff in the Blue Mountains at Wentworth Falls. You can see part of the view in Oneofmany's Avatar. Be in nature to do natural things.

With LOVE.

[eternal_spirit]

I posted this in another thread and I would like to hear your responses on it here:

I have never understood why people are so hell bent on altering their perceptions through the use of mind altering substances be they natural or manufactured? I think the human mind is far less limited when it is crystal clear and not bogged down by plagues on the brain tissue. Granted mushrooms may have been used in esoteric cultures since the word dot by they were not utilised by Joe Public popping along to the village common and digging them up. They were used at specific times on specific people who had been "groomed" for want of a better description for their use ie in ceremonies of passing to manhood / womanhood. This for a start would influence what you would feel perceive from them. If you are even slightly wired up wrong due to emotions, the use of other substances etc then I think permenant damage is possible and then you are no good to anyone. Do you think the majority of people that you advocate all doing mushrooms is a good thing? I do not. Mankind is too immature (that is assuming that mushrooms contribute positively - I am convinced that they do not) and as I have said above not mentally / spiritually evolved enough.

I do not want to get into a flaming war - I would like to hear coherent well considered responses please.

The Norseman.

Have you tried mushrooms? how does one measure the spirituality of a person to know when is the right time to take them. As you say as a passage of rite(ritual) to man hood woman hood they were used in some ancient cultures and probably still are in some places today.

I think in the wrong hands(priests or cults) mushrooms could be used to manipulate the acolyte participant into hypnotic suggestions causing visions wanted by the hypnotist of their( religions God angels or ascended masters or whatever)

It's better to take mushrooms either alone or with friends you can trust. But small doses at first, if you feel you're mind can handle more then the next time increase the dosage, this way you are the one in control of the trip, not some priest running the proceedings of some ritual.

[the norseman]

eternal_spirit,

Thanks for reply to my post.

No, I have not tried Mushrooms - each to their own though.

I may have not made myself absolutely clear as to the main thrust of my post which can be summed up with:

""""I have never understood why people are so hell bent on altering their perceptions through the use of mind altering substances be they natural or manufactured? I think the human mind is far less limited when it is crystal clear and not bogged down by plagues on the brain tissue.""""

My point regarding the use of Mushrooms in past present / religious rites of passage, what you will, was to to convey that I understand they may have been used for a long time but____see above.

To me, it seems that Mushrooms do not open up the human psyche but may even serve to reduce it as does any mind altering substance be it natural or manufactured. Over reliance of them for one will serve to draw the limits of your natural imagination / spiritual being ever nearer as well as reducing your clarity of thought ultimately due to the disruption in brain chemicals.

Again, to me, arguing that they are natural does not make them good for you.

I have always thought that have unaltered perception with crisp clarity in the healiest state you can be in is far more beneficial.

Again, I do not want a war but considered debate.

The Norseman.

[i am all i am]

I posted this in another thread and I would like to hear your responses on it here:

I have never understood why people are so hell bent on altering their perceptions through the use of mind altering substances be they natural or manufactured? I think the human mind is far less limited when it is crystal clear and not bogged down by plagues on the brain tissue. The brain is not an aspect of the mind, it is part of the physical body. Granted mushrooms may have been used in esoteric cultures since the word dot by they were not utilised by Joe Public popping along to the village common and digging them up. Who do you think first had a mushroom and found out what they were like/for ??? They were used at specific times on specific people who had been "groomed" for want of a better description for their use ie in ceremonies of passing to manhood / womanhood. This for a start would influence what you would feel perceive from them. If you are even slightly wired up wrong due to emotions, the use of other substances etc then I think permenant damage is possible and then you are no good to anyone. Do you think the majority of people that you advocate all doing mushrooms is a good thing? I do not. And this is why you "have never understood" the use of mushrooms by other people. Mankind is too immature (that is assuming that mushrooms contribute positively - I am convinced that they do not) Are you convinced because of personal experience or are you prejudging ??? and as I have said above not mentally / spiritually evolved enough. And your definition of everyone else comes from what personal understandings ???

I do not want to get into a flaming war - I would like to hear coherent well considered responses please. Considering your post and desire for " coherent well considered responses", I am wondering if you have read this thread and the responses from everyone that has posted ???

The Norseman.

With LOVE.

[the norseman]

Thanks for reply but I disagree.

You say that the brain is not part of the mind but of the physical body this is a blinkered view.

I believe that the concept of mind is 100% controversal and can not be explained with the use of our language or truely gathered by concept. The mind may well be an entity of existance dinstinct from the brain but it is NO WAY detatched. The brain may well be the "machine" or mechanisation of the mind just like hardware of a computer (a bad analogy but I hope you can see what I am trying to relay). The relationship of the mind to the brain - it is like a seesaw, if you weight one to much the other fall as an expense - both have their areas of shared specialisation. This is the problem with modern society, the brain is highly weighed which disturbs the harmany of the mind through shit food, chemicals, gratuatous violence, alcohol and other drugs.

The essence of consciousness can only be in harmony if both the brain and mind are balanced and I do think that Mushrooms do anything to truely bring about this harmony but in fact damage the balance and thus the essence.

Consider, if someone truely damages their biological makeup through the use of mind altering substances be it from Mushrooms or Weed which can happen. The paranoia which can manifest will negatively affect the mind, the brain (a viscious circle of layers of paranoia due to biological upset) - do you think that this person will be spiritually sound? I do not. Do you think that this person has the ability to really consider deep aspects of existance? I do not.

I am not arguing the rights and wrongs on Mushroom use by you - your choice - but I am trying to fathom the true motivation behind their use.

As to, (your input has been underlined): """"Mankind is too immature (that is assuming that mushrooms contribute positively - I am convinced that they do not) Are you convinced because of personal experience or are you prejudging ??? and as I have said above not mentally / spiritually evolved enough. And your definition of everyone else comes from what personal understandings ???""""

I am convinced that they do not contribute due to what I have said above - on a side note, prejudging is not necessarily a bad thing in every aspect of existance - I have never stuck my head in an oven but call it pre-judging but I dont think it will be too good for my health. Pre-judging is not negative, it is a phrase that has been hijacked and warped to try and sump arguments and considered debate. I have never had the MMR but I am 100% convinced it would do me no good, again call it pre-juding but I call it educated reason.

My point regarding """I have said above (mankind is) not mentally / spiritually evolved enough"""" - are you telling me that they are? That Joe Public who may well be emotionally and spiritually compromised should go out and take a mind altering substance?? As to my personal understandings, these are based on the study of biological and psychological science and my own thoughts on the subject based on people I know and discussions etc. By the very fact that people are locked into this so called 5 sense reality proves they are not ready - if not why do people have bad trips?? People are too hell bent on satisfying a self destructive lust, I am sure you can see that - throw mind altering substances into the mix and further problems are assured in a great many cases.

I have read this thread in its entirity - Yes - I am still not convinced though. I would be interested to know if you think Mushrooms affect the mind, the brain or both?

My personal view which may well be wrong but based on my reasons above is that most people would be better served to lead a healthier lifestyle where clarity of natural thought is embraced. Where the brain and thus the mind is not altered through neurological poison.

The Norseman.

[eternal_spirit]

[QUOTE=the norseman;32938]I posted this in another thread and I would like to hear your responses on it here:

I have never understood why people are so hell bent on altering their perceptions through the use of mind altering substances be they natural or manufactured?

Okay, Noresman here is my reply.
Different reasons. Curiosity, mystical visions, hallucanations, increased mind power, to see if it's true what other people say about their experiences(they can make it sound so good you have to find out yourself)

To enhance creativity music art etc, to commune with spirits, to find the meaning of life, to be closer to god lol not joking, to be closer to nature, to escape a bad reality they are trapped in, hoping the substances will make them temporarily feel better, or even change the mind permanentley in some instances.

All of this list doesn't necessarilly relate to me, but think you'll get the point. :D

[i am all i am]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2119&highlight=origins+knowledge

If you have a read of this thread you will gain a clearer understanding of what you have asked Norseman.

With LOVE.

[eternal_spirit]

Hehehehe....over 1,300 'blue meanies' psilocybe mushrooms between four of us in five days....does this count as heroic ??? .....the biggest tea contained a bit over 800 mushrooms....hehehe....two of us preparing it actually counted them out....hahaha.....that took a while, but it didn't matter 'cause we were still tripping....and we boiled them for a tad over four hours.....what an experience that tea was.....we were still tripping towards the end of the sixth day....even after having slept for a couple of hours.....an amazing experience that I absolutely loved.

And I agree about getting away from the interference.....the four of us spent five days in a cave on the edge of a cliff in the Blue Mountains at Wentworth Falls. You can see part of the view in Oneofmany's Avatar. Be in nature to do natural things.

With LOVE.

LMAO, What is a blue meanie mushroom:confused: some type you have in Aus. Ones we have here in the Uk are the (Libertycap which also contains psilocybin)
Me and friends would brew up hundreds at a time, and then brew up some more the same day or night. tripped for over two months none stop when I was younger.:cool: I think it permantley changed me.

[i am all i am]

LMAO, What is a blue meanie mushroom:confused: some type you have in Aus. Ones we have here in the Uk are the (Libertycap which also contains psilocybin)
Me and friends would brew up hundreds at a time, and then brew up some more the same day or night. tripped for over two months none stop when I was younger.:cool: I think it permantley changed me.

G'day Eternal Spirit.

In the Hawaiian Islands a number of magic mushroom species naturally occur. One of the most common of the identified species of psychoactive fungi known to contain psilocybin and/or psilocin are Copelandia cyanescens. They belong to the family Coprinaceae and are primarily coprophilic. Copelandia cyanescens are known in Hawaii by recreational users as "magic mushrooms," "gold caps," "blue meanies," "dimple tops," and "shrooms", They are the most common species employed for recreational, albeit illicit, purposes.
http://www.magicplants.co.uk/Copelandia-cyanescens.html

The name is probably used by locals because of the blue in Blue Mountains.

The two month trip sounds awesome, something that I would love to do.

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

But no, i do not take drugs now, so therefore, what relevance does the link to an 'addictive personality' thread have whatsoever?...

If you actually read it you can find out for yourself.....or do you prefer to be spoon fed ???

Why should i read a thread on addictive personality, when I do not have a problem with any type of drugs, or so-called addictive behaviours (unlike you)
And as for being 'spoon fed' as you say, i suggest it is YOU who spoon feeds drugs to yourself in order to feed your addiction/s...that's obvious from your posts, and your boasts of eating hundreds of mushrooms...is that supposed to impress people? Eating hundreds of mushrooms...haha
Yet you still have to come back down to 'reality', being non the wiser for taking drugs...in fact less spiritual....drugs actually clog up the aura with dark tar-like energy....especially addictions...it is stored as energy.

I do not take drugs. I consume plants from nature, the same idea behind eating plants for food, to alter, or reset, the internal chemical structure of the physical body.

Who are you trying to kid? You take drugs...simple as that. And encourage others (maybe impressionable kids reading this) to also take drugs.

Drugs are purely matrix substances...they do not offer real enlightenment....the illuminati actually want people to use as many drugs as they can...even mushrooms...even ayahuasca.....even the so-called natural drugs.
They want this because drugs offer absolutely no spiritual advancement whatsoever...they in fact hold you back and deceive you into believeing you're spiritually advancing.

Isn't it awful how drug takers like to twist words and meanings and throw them back at people to suit their own ends.
'The Secret Power of Words' thread link....http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3002 .... another thread that may help you in your understanding.

Once again, your condascending tone, and attempt to patronise, just doesn't work...why would I need to read up on the power of words? I don't take drugs so i understand perfectly how people attempt to manipulate with words, and to twist truths, as you have attempted during your posts...it's plainly obvious in fact.

[deano]

are you a vegetarian 2012?

[i am all i am]

G'day 21 12 2012.

I love you.

Please understand that I offered the links for your own benefit. The negative energy that you are directing at me is what you are giving out and what you will get back. I would rather that you understood what you are creating for yourself, but if you have no desire to understand or accept anything offered by me, that is your choice and I accept that.

Please accept this poem as what it is that I believe about you.

I BELIEVE

YOU HAVE THE POWER TO BE,
WHO YOU CHOOSE TO BE,
YOUR VISION YOU WILL ACHIEVE,
IN YOU I BELIEVE.

FROM INSIDE COMES CLARITY,
YOURSELF YOU CAN SEE,
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT NAIVE,
IN YOU I BELIEVE.

IT'S YOUR LOVE YOU DEMONSTRATE,
WHEN YOURSELF YOU CREATE,
YOUR DESTINY TO ACHIEVE,
IN YOU I BELIEVE.



With LOVE.

[pollock]

Isn't it awful how drug takers like to twist words and meanings and throw them back at people to suit their own ends.


As I said, I have met an amazing amount of non drug users who do that as well though!

It seems to me this thread is going around in circles!

I really don't see why we should argue about this, it seems futile !

theres magic in the air (and on the ground)!
F

[i am all i am]

theres magic in the air (and on the ground)!
F

And in the mushrooms.

With LOVE.

[oneofmany]

We've only got your word on that, which frankly means nothing to me :) Ditto... Why don't you ask people on this forum that I have MET like I am all I am? you will soon find out that I am not an abuser of these substances. Why is it when your losing an debate, you resort to personal attacks? Aren't the merits of your argument enough to prevail? I mean, if your right, shouldn't the facts speak for themselves?
Only got your word on that too...so...ditto....means nothing....
You're trying to say that people who try one drug AREN'T curious about others?....come on...let's be real.....
Ridiculous ! That's exactly what I am saying. There is enough information out there for an intelligent person to realise that some drugs out there will rob you of all control over yourself, I have seen what heroin for instance done to a good friend, and speed did to another (RIP) so don't you think an intelligent person would take all these things into consideration? Your the one here that has the Ridiculous notions and the zero tolerance policy.

If you asked 100 people who have taken any form of drug in their lives...i think you'll find probably 80% or more will say that mushrooms were the worst, and probably most of that 80% would never take them again, and gained no 'enlightenment' from them whatsoever... Your a loving caring kind of person aren't you? Personal attacks aside. :rolleyes: As I have said before ( I feel like I'm repeating myself here) You have to be in the right frame of mind to take these things. If your going into it with the weight of the world on your shoulders, then you are going to have a shit trip. It's simple really.

Are there any more of your silly arguments that need the truth shone upon them?

[i am all i am]

Are there any more of your silly arguments that need the truth shone upon them?

G'day Oneofmany.

".....be a light unto the darkness, and curse it not.

And forget not Who You Are in the moment of your encirclement by that which you are not. But do you praise to the creation, even as you seek to change it.

And know that what you do in the time of your greatest trial can be your greatest triumph. For the experience you create is a statement of Who You Are - and Who You Choose to BE...."

Conversations with God
an uncommon dialogue
Neale Donald Walsch

Thank you for being a light unto darkness brother and making your choice of Who You Choose to BE.

With LOVE.

[oneofmany]

G'day Oneofmany.

".....be a light unto the darkness, and curse it not.

And forget not Who You Are in the moment of your encirclement by that which you are not. But do you praise to the creation, even as you seek to change it.

And know that what you do in the time of your greatest trial can be your greatest triumph. For the experience you create is a statement of Who You Are - and Who You Choose to BE...."

Conversations with God
an uncommon dialogue
Neale Donald Walsch

Thank you for being a light unto darkness brother and making your choice of Who You Choose to BE.

With LOVE.
I told him only truth, only to scoff at such a truth, for he cannot comprehend it to be so. Now, in my hour of contemplation, while I wither on the vine of life, to be honest with others, as I am with myself, is my only true solace in life. I may have sinned in the eyes of my god, but to be one with him, within myself makes me truly ONE

oneofmany

[21_12_2012]

Are there any more of your silly arguments that need the truth shone upon them?

You as well eh !
Your little 'clique' is laughable !
Stand up for mushrooms all you like...it's not you I care about...it's not i_am_all_i_am who i care about...in fact it isn't ANYONE on here who is old enough and responsible enough for themselves and their wasted time and efforts on drugs.
It is young impressionable kids I am aiming my advice at.
You calling my points 'silly arguments' just magnifies the fact that you and your little 'drug clique' don't want to accept facts from someone who has 'been there...done that..."
So, carry on by all means.....there are probably a lot with similar views to me about drugs on this forum who just will not speak up for themselves because of this pathetic little 'clique' that exists here....fair enough...each to their own.....but you won't silence me about drugs....i WILL speak my truth.

And no amount of poems and messages to me will alter that, so don't waste your time.

[21_12_2012]

The negative energy that you are directing at me is what you are giving out and what you will get back.

Oh right...so...me presenting facts about what damaging effects drugs have is giving out negative energy is it...ha...ok...whatever.

It's you who is giving out negative energy by infuencing people to get involved in drugs, wouldn't you say?...therefore it is you who will reap that back.

This forum is supposed to be a forum with balanced comments....individual contributions....not all one-sided....

Also, you all seem to disregard the fact that kids read this...not one of you mentions it.
Shame on you all.

[21_12_2012]

Why is it when your losing an debate, you resort to personal attacks? Aren't the merits of your argument enough to prevail? I mean, if your right, shouldn't the facts speak for themselves?

Personal attacks? Get real...how can saying "your word frankly means nothing" be a personal attack..especially when it's directed towards someone who encourages people to take drugs...!
Losing a debate? haha...I don't think so.

You're trying to say that people who try one drug AREN'T curious about others?....come on...let's be real.....

Ridiculous ! That's exactly what I am saying. There is enough information out there for an intelligent person to realise that some drugs out there will rob you of all control over yourself

So you're telling me that young kids, before they try any drugs out, go off and read loads and loads of information first?! .....please...don't insult our intelligences....
If a kid (or weak minded person) reads stuff like this on a so-called 'enlightened' forum like this, which is supposedly full of mature 'on-the-ball' people, then it's going to influence them...simple.
You don't seem to want to bring up the subject of who else reads the forum apart from the members do you...neither does anyone else on here who is posting stuff about drugs.
Got any young brothers or sisters have you? Neices? Nephews?
How would you feel if one of your young relatives started getting wasted on drugs....whether or not they were influenced by the great David Icke forum?

Seems nobody thinks of that....

And then you say this:-
You have to be in the right frame of mind to take these things. If your going into it with the weight of the world on your shoulders, then you are going to have a shit trip. It's simple really.

Total crap ! I have taken mushrooms in the most confident state...the most happy and relaxed state...and always among people who i can trust...
It makes no difference! Mushrooms are VERY unpredictable, and their effects are intense and usually undesireable...mixed with a sick nauseous feeling...with trips that most users want to come down off usually within the first couple of hours....
Is that really what lifes about...artificial enlightenment....?
They INCREASE FEAR !
It's ok for people who have dropped out of society...don't have a job...have all the time in the world to come down off...but we still live in this 'matrix' reality...and people still need to work and earn livings and lead 'matrix' lives with 'matrix' responsibilities....like it or not.....and drugs just mess people up and their responsibilities.
So why ignore that...and why continue to promote drugs....?

[oneofmany]

You as well eh !
Your little 'clique' is laughable !
Stand up for mushrooms all you like...it's not you I care about...it's not i_am_all_i_am who i care about...in fact it isn't ANYONE on here who is old enough and responsible enough for themselves and their wasted time and efforts on drugs.
It is young impressionable kids I am aiming my advice at.
You calling my points 'silly arguments' just magnifies the fact that you and your little 'drug clique' don't want to accept facts from someone who has 'been there...done that..."
So, carry on by all means.....there are probably a lot with similar views to me about drugs on this forum who just will not speak up for themselves because of this pathetic little 'clique' that exists here....fair enough...each to their own.....but you won't silence me about drugs....i WILL speak my truth.

And no amount of poems and messages to me will alter that, so don't waste your time.

Your not speaking your truth, your blasting it down everybody's ears. You are a person who won't hear the truth if it bit you on the ass, so I wont bother with you in the future. However, your insults further confirm my belief that your argument doesn't stand on it's own merits, because the insults are right along side as usual. I don't wish to silence your anti drug tirade, but I do wish to have a balanced opinion about the subject, of which you aren't able to provide. There is no DRUG CLIQUE here, only like minded individuals who reached out to one another. The people on this forum, have enough information here to decide what they want to do with their lives, and if that's to take mushrooms, then who am I, or YOU to decide for them. You made your choices in life, like everybody else, and if you regret them, then so be it, but that doesn't mean you have to degrade a life experience because yours was horrible!. Wake up to yourself and realise, that what wasn't good for you, is just what another person needs. By insulting me with your rhetoric, you just show other people, how unenlightened you actually are in this life, and how biased your opinion is. Are you a Preacher? or have you been indoctrinated into religion? because the only people I have met who are so adamant about other people ruining their lives are the religious.

It is young impressionable kids I am aiming my advice at.Then try some youth forums. We are educated in this topic enough on this forum to realise that nobody is pushing any form of drug on this forum.
You calling my points 'silly arguments' just magnifies the fact that you and your little 'drug clique' don't want to accept facts from someone who has 'been there...done that..."You've been there and done that from an abusers point of view, not a person who wants to use a substance for a specific purpose.
Your little 'clique' is laughable !
Stand up for mushrooms all you like...it's not you I care about...it's not i_am_all_i_am who i care about...in fact it isn't ANYONE on here who is old enough and responsible enough for themselves and their wasted time and efforts on drugs. You don't know the first thing about our friendship and to say it is laughable is a flat out insult. You are on a crusade to stop drug use, and all you have to go on is your ABUSE OF DRUGS. So how are you in a position to have a balanced argument on the subject, oh I guess your NOT!
o, carry on by all means.....there are probably a lot with similar views to me about drugs on this forum who just will not speak up for themselves Well here's the place to make themselves heard, if there are any who believe as you do, But I don't think so somehow. The people on this forum are smart enough to make up THEIR OWN MINDS!!!
because of this pathetic little 'clique' that exists here....fair enough...each to their own.....but you won't silence me about drugs....i WILL speak my truth.Once again, there is no such clique, and I don't wish to silence you, I only wish to present a balanced opinion as to what's being said here. (Which you are totally against) you need to grow up mentally, and realise that you need to live and let live, and that means letting others have a choice about what they do with their lives, whatever the personal cost to themselves.

[oneofmany]

Total crap ! I have taken mushrooms in the most confident state...the most happy and relaxed state...and always among people who i can trust...
It makes no difference! Mushrooms are VERY unpredictable, and their effects are intense and usually undesireable...mixed with a sick nauseous feeling...with trips that most users want to come down off usually within the first couple of hours....
Is that really what lifes about...artificial enlightenment....?
They INCREASE FEAR !
It's ok for people who have dropped out of society...don't have a job...have all the time in the world to come down off...but we still live in this 'matrix' reality...and people still need to work and earn livings and lead 'matrix' lives with 'matrix' responsibilities....like it or not.....and drugs just mess people up and their responsibilities.
So why ignore that...and why continue to promote drugs....?

What can I say about this that you haven't already said to me but I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!!! If you work for somebody else, and have an anxiety about going to work the next day, then it will affect your trip. If you are fearful of the experience going in, then they WILL INCREASE YOUR FEAR. It is not artificial at all, in fact it can be just as real as reality, and if it made you sick, I suggest again that it, as well as you were ill prepared, because the trips I have taken have never involved sickness. If you were confident and in the right frame of mind, then I dare to say, that you would not have had a bad trip on mushrooms, however, your controlling and abusive nature from what I have observed from your posts, would have hindered you from having a truly enlightened experience. The Mushroom experience should be had with a goal in mind, and to do them recreationally is just dumb. Go ahead and rant on about your bullshit theories, but you will get no further reply from me, because nothing of what you have said about mushrooms rings true with me, and smacks of recreational, not spiritual use.
Live and love life
oneofmany

[a fine naked fellow]

Norm: you must never take drugs

Baloney : as always with norms everything is black and white.
Are there drugs to be avoided, yes there are. But there are others taken in the
right environment, with experienced people that can take you into wonderland
And show you the illusion of the world you think you live in. funny how these are
Often substances targeted by authorities. The trick is to access the natural abilities
To go into other realities without drugs, but used sensibly they can be a step on the road.
Why, if drugs are bad for you, are we encouraged to take them like candy
When they are dispersed by the doctors on behalf of the illuminati pharmaceutical cartel?
Those drugs serve the agenda while those revealing illusion do not, simple as that.
It is not that drugs are good or bad, right or wrong, it is what drugs, and in what circumstances.

From tales form the time loop. - david icke

[oneofmany]

Personal attacks? Get real...how can saying "your word frankly means nothing" be a personal attack..especially when it's directed towards someone who encourages people to take drugs...!
Losing a debate? haha...I don't think so.





So you're telling me that young kids, before they try any drugs out, go off and read loads and loads of information first?! .....please...don't insult our intelligences....
If a kid (or weak minded person) reads stuff like this on a so-called 'enlightened' forum like this, which is supposedly full of mature 'on-the-ball' people, then it's going to influence them...simple.
You don't seem to want to bring up the subject of who else reads the forum apart from the members do you...neither does anyone else on here who is posting stuff about drugs.
Got any young brothers or sisters have you? Neices? Nephews?
How would you feel if one of your young relatives started getting wasted on drugs....whether or not they were influenced by the great David Icke forum?

Seems nobody thinks of that....

And then you say this:-


Total crap ! I have taken mushrooms in the most confident state...the most happy and relaxed state...and always among people who i can trust...
It makes no difference! Mushrooms are VERY unpredictable, and their effects are intense and usually undesireable...mixed with a sick nauseous feeling...with trips that most users want to come down off usually within the first couple of hours....
Is that really what lifes about...artificial enlightenment....?
They INCREASE FEAR !
It's ok for people who have dropped out of society...don't have a job...have all the time in the world to come down off...but we still live in this 'matrix' reality...and people still need to work and earn livings and lead 'matrix' lives with 'matrix' responsibilities....like it or not.....and drugs just mess people up and their responsibilities.
So why ignore that...and why continue to promote drugs....?

Overall this is an ill informed and stupidly personal attack, with little merit, in which I don't even feel the need to respond to with an intelligent answer.:rolleyes:

[tommi]

Well said oneofmany..

I used to abuse drugs but then I learned my own lessons, simple. I have a younger brother who's learned to abuse drugs also. I've had little chats with him only to point out the dangers of doing too many but it's his life and hopefully he'll come out of it a stronger and wiser character.

We'll never be able to stop younger folk doing drugs of any kind, all we can do is to possibly make them aware of the pitfalls at the very least. Granted, heroin and crack are on a completely different level and I would and have warned anyone against doing them seeing the devastation they have caused first hand.

Personally, for me, it was experiences on hallucinogenics that made me question my own existence. Is that such a bad thing? And without going into detail, my mind was fragmented for years and hallucinogenics helped me piece things back, or at least see how to.

I'm pretty convinced God hasn't completely disbanded me just because I chose to take a few mushrooms that I found in a field :D

[i am all i am]

Well said oneofmany..

I used to abuse drugs but then I learned my own lessons, simple. I have a younger brother who's learned to abuse drugs also. I've had little chats with him only to point out the dangers of doing too many but it's his life and hopefully he'll come out of it a stronger and wiser character.

We'll never be able to stop younger folk doing drugs of any kind, all we can do is to possibly make them aware of the pitfalls at the very least. Granted, heroin and crack are on a completely different level and I would and have warned anyone against doing them seeing the devastation they have caused first hand.

Personally, for me, it was experiences on hallucinogenics that made me question my own existence. Is that such a bad thing? And without going into detail, my mind was fragmented for years and hallucinogenics helped me piece things back, or at least see how to.

I'm pretty convinced God hasn't completely disbanded me just because I chose to take a few mushrooms that I found in a field :D

G'day Tommi.

Thanks for being open and honest with everyone about your experiences.

And well done with your brother. Allowing another their choice to do with their body what they will is a gift of love.

With LOVE.

[oneofmany]

We'll never be able to stop younger folk doing drugs of any kind, all we can do is to possibly make them aware of the pitfalls at the very least. Granted, heroin and crack are on a completely different level and I would and have warned anyone against doing them seeing the devastation they have caused first hand. Me too, If someone asked me about taking heroin, cocaine, speed or even ecstasy, then I would immediately try to talk them out of it. But still, in the end, their going to make their own choice, whether I like it or not. And I know about the devastating effects of Man-Made drugs, first hand. I have lost friends, and seen friends fucked up because of them. I can't stress enough, if your young, and contemplating ANY DRUG OR SUBSTANCE. Do your research and know what your dealing with first. The Date man is right enough about that, at least.

[tommi]

G'day Tommi.

Thanks for being open and honest with everyone about your experiences.

And well done with your brother. Allowing another their choice to do with their body what they will is a gift of love.

With LOVE.

Afternoon i am all i am..

I wouldn't dream of telling someone what they have to or have not to do.

Personally I overdone it, my own silly fault but I've also learned life long lessons from it. At one point I would put anything down my neck, prescription drugs (valium, sleeping pills etc. etc.) speed, e's, coke, hash, opiates, trips. I used to drink everyday also.. I was a mess basically, but it was inadvertently through drugs that I had contact with God (for want of a better expression) and began to try and sort my life out. It didn't make me a bad person just because of what I was doing to my body. God has unconditional love for everyone, and that includes the illuminati et al.

2012, loosen your grip mate. You're obviously passionate about your beliefs and I respect that but you could also push away the very people you claim to want to help. Yes, we need to rid the world of some of the nastier drugs, but isn't drug abuse the symptom and not the cause?

[i am all i am]

Afternoon i am all i am..

I wouldn't dream of telling someone what they have to or have not to do.

Personally I overdone it, my own silly fault but I've also learned life long lessons from it. At one point I would put anything down my neck, prescription drugs (valium, sleeping pills etc. etc.) speed, e's, coke, hash, opiates, trips. I used to drink everyday also.. I was a mess basically, but it was inadvertently through drugs that I had contact with God (for want of a better expression) and began to try and sort my life out. It didn't make me a bad person just because of what I was doing to my body. God has unconditional love for everyone, and that includes the illuminati et al.

2012, loosen your grip mate. You're obviously passionate about your beliefs and I respect that but you could also push away the very people you claim to want to help. Yes, we need to rid the world of some of the nastier drugs, but isn't drug abuse the symptom and not the cause?

G'day Tommi.

God, LOVE, ALL THAT IS, Who We Truly Are, all the same thing we are describing, so I'm hearing you. I am glad that you found yourself and relaised how truly wonderful you are, and also started loving yourself again. Congratulations Tommi for coming through it all and expressing yourself as LOVE.

A couple of great posts that I would love for everyone that is thinking of trying any drug or natural substance to have a read of. Well done.

With LOVE.

[lottie]

I would like to share my experience with you, although ive never really been one to take lots of drugs i was a late starter and to be honest it never really attracted me. I have smoked pot for a long-time but never really been all that bothered by other drugs, i can take then or leave them but i do tend to be more comfortable taking things that are from the earth such as canabis and mushrooms. About 4 years ago i agreed to take some mushrooms, i was in the company of some very good friends and we hada nice cup of tea (well i say nice- it was very musty!!) with some 'shrooms in it and when it started to affect me it was fantastic, as far as hallucianating goes i didnt think it was all that scary, all i saw was just that things were hightened like my vision especially, i went to the toilet and sat there laughing my head off, i didnt know why and the more i questioned why the more i laughed, i remember looking at two towels on the rail that were orange and turquoise and my goodness i could have stayed and looked at them forever , i have never seen such beautiful towels!! :D they were litereally glowing and i have never seen such intense colours since. The other thing i found was that when i lit my lighter instead of the usual normal flame i got, i saw a beautiful display of sparks coming from the lighter that just looked amazing almost like a firework display!! That evening we had the most hilarious converstaions between us all and as for my experience i found it truly enlightening, purely because i had never done it and experienced such a state before! I would like to do them again but its not something im desperately seeking to do tomorrow, just whenever its meant to be it will happen! Ive always thought i had quite an addictive personality, my father is an alcoholic so i was conditioned to believe that i may have addictive tendancies and i smoke, so i have always assumed i have addictive tendancies but the thing is i can take or leave drugs. The other thing is that i was worried about taking them as ive heard horror stories of having to be in a relaxed state and if you arn't then you'll have a bad trip but i didnt i really enjoyed it and can honestly say it was one of my top ten best experiences!!
Everyone is different and different drugs will affect different people in different ways, because we are all different, i dont advocate drugs to young teens and i think they are something best left to adults once they have established a place in their life where they feel ready to do drugs, trouble is i think drugs are too often abused rather than taken as a learning experience, but that is each individual choice and i respect that. Seems silly though that so many people put their trust in pharmaceutical companies and take their awful drugs but condem that of natures drugs.
well thats my 2 pence worth anyway!! :D

[i am all i am]

G'day Lottie.

Thank you for sharing your experience sunshine.

With LOVE.

[father ted]

When does mushroom season start for you guys, here in adelaide, it seems like there's a small window of opportunity.

[lottie]

Apparently we've just had it, im not sure i think feb/march but then not again until sept/oct.....not 100% sure mate, i didnt pick my own mine were from amsterdam and already dried etc
yeah there's a small window of opportunity for us too!! :)

[phoenix1]

anyone ever taken an heroic dose? 5 grams of dried?

between about 6 people we used to stew and boil over 3000 mushrooms sometimes each picking about 500 each , we'd do them all.

Its not in the dose size though , I find, once the switch is flicked it flicked.:)

[phoenix1]

I had about 30 once and I would call that a heroic dose




Where I come from 25-30 libs is an average dose ..enough for a trip..just.Welsh MMs are renowned for the potency too.:)

[21_12_2012]

Your not speaking your truth, your blasting it down everybody's ears.

Wrong again..I am expressing my right to say it how it is from my point of view after 20 years of using (NOT abusing) drugs.

You are a person who won't hear the truth if it bit you on the ass, so I wont bother with you in the future. However, your insults further confirm my belief that your argument doesn't stand on it's own merits, because the insults are right along side as usual.

Wrong again. It's you who is being insulting, time and time again..and insulting the people's intelligences on this forum by advocating that drug use is ok, when it quite clearly is not.

I don't wish to silence your anti drug tirade, but I do wish to have a balanced opinion about the subject, of which you aren't able to provide.

Wrong again..you do wish to silence anyone who speaks up against drugs.
Oh dear...a lot of truth twisting coming from your direction isn't there.

There is no DRUG CLIQUE here, only like minded individuals who reached out to one another.

Who, really, do you think you're trying to kid...been there..done that..seen it ALL before.

The people on this forum, have enough information here to decide what they want to do with their lives, and if that's to take mushrooms, then who am I, or YOU to decide for them.

Hypocrisy! It is YOU and others who are actually encouraging drug use! Therefore you are influencing people's decisions. Whereas I am merely pointing out the fact that drugs AREN'T beneficial..More truth twisting..tut tut

You made your choices in life, like everybody else, and if you regret them, then so be it, but that doesn't mean you have to degrade a life experience because yours was horrible!.

MORE truth twisting, and assuptions ! Who said my experience/s were all horrible? And who said they regret anything? Only you..oh dear..You seem very good at assuming things and turning things around...never mind...i am wise to it.

Wake up to yourself

I am WIDE awake thanks..i don't use drugs anymore :)

By insulting me with your rhetoric, you just show other people, how unenlightened you actually are in this life, and how biased your opinion is.

Oh dear..more assumptions...tut tut. I suggest you read up about how drugs actually retard spiritual growth.

Are you a Preacher? or have you been indoctrinated into religion? because the only people I have met who are so adamant about other people ruining their lives are the religious.

Haha, another attempt at twisting the truth...the only people preaching on here are the ones promoting the use of drugs.! Hypocrisy again.
Religious? haha...get real.

We are educated in this topic enough on this forum to realise that nobody is pushing any form of drug on this forum.

Ohh right..i must be reading it wrong then..all i can see is 'take this'...'take that'...'i've taken so many hundred'...'do it like this'...'do it like that'...

You've been there and done that from an abusers point of view, not a person who wants to use a substance for a specific purpose.

More truth twisting..tut tut..i have already stated that i have used mushrooms in many states of mind beforehand...and taken mushrooms with a view to enlightenment....If you'd actually read my posts (or chosen to not selectively ignore certain points of my posts) then you'd realise that i haven't actually abused drugs at all, they in fact abused me... (why do i feel i keep having to keep repeating myself over and over again...are people that retarded?)

You don't know the first thing about our friendship and to say it is laughable is a flat out insult.

Wrong again..the only insults are coming from the drug users such as yourself...policing anyone who tries to state anything other than your clique wants to believe !

You are on a crusade to stop drug use, and all you have to go on is your ABUSE OF DRUGS.

There you go again...making things up...don't you ever get bored of inventing things about me?

So how are you in a position to have a balanced argument on the subject

Simple...been there...done that...grown out of it !

Well here's the place to make themselves heard, if there are any who believe as you do, But I don't think so somehow.

Yes, i guess youre right..nobody in the world is against drug use are they. We're all like you ! haha

The people on this forum are smart enough to make up THEIR OWN MINDS!!!

So why encourage drug use then..? Am i missing something here?

Once again, there is no such clique, and I don't wish to silence you,

ermm...yes there is...and errm you won't silence me even if you do wish to..

I only wish to present a balanced opinion as to what's being said here.

So, stating that drug use is entirely acceptable...that's a balanced opinion...ok..right.

you need to grow up mentally,

Thanks for the concern, but i already did that..years ago thanks..stopping the drugs helped immensely :)

realise that you need to live and let live, and that means letting others have a choice about what they do with their lives, whatever the personal cost to themselves.

Sounds very cold-hearted to me, but, i guess some people don't have a heart or feel a sense of duty to prevent prevent people going down wrong paths.

Honestly, you'd think i came on here blaspheming the bible in front of hard core christians the way some of you respond.
Don't you realise, it's people like me who actually care about preventing young people going down the wrong road? Presenting facts to them?

By the way, i still haven't heard any of you respond to my question:-

What if your son/daughter/neice/nephew started getting wasted on drugs?

Would you be as quick to defend your drug taking as you are now?
Or would you be inclined to advise them to keep away from drugs?

Can, or WILL anybody answer this question?....or is it because the answer is self-evident enough that you choose not to answer it?

[i am all i am]

http://fantasy.lacefairy.com/Misc/knight23.GIF


With LOVE.

A TRUTH I BELIEVE

IF YOU DON'T PREACH TO ME AND TELL ME HOW TO LIVE,
THEN I'LL KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S LOVE THAT YOU GIVE,
FOR LOVE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER LEAVE,
'CAUSE IF UNITED WE STAND, UNITED WE ACHIEVE.

SO IF YOU LISTEN THEN YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND,
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WILL DEMAND,
TO LIVE LIFE WITH LOVE AS YOUR GOAL,
ALLOWS YOU TO LIVE ETERNALLY AS YOUR SOUL.

NOW IT'S TIME TO DECIDE WHERE IT IS YOU LIVE,
AND MAKE THE CHOICE OF WHAT IT IS YOU GIVE,
FOR I HAVE CHOSEN TO MAKE MY LOVE CLEAR,
'CAUSE GIVING TO WHERE I'M LIVING CREATES HEAVEN HERE.

THIS IS A MESSAGE THAT IS EASILY HEARD,
IT'S A GIFT OF LOVE CONTAINED WITHIN WORD,
NO CODE OR CYPHER IT IS THAT YOU NEED,
YOU WILL LIVE ETERNALLY WHEN LOVE IS FREED.

IT'S A MESSAGE DIRECT FROM YOUR SOUL,
LOVE IS THE GIVER THAT MAKES YOU WHOLE,
AND TOGETHER AS ONE WE CAN ACHIEVE,
UNITING LOVES FAMILY, A TRUTH I BELIEVE.

[father ted]

Its not in the dose size though , I find, once the switch is flicked it flicked.

I agree, when I had those 30 mushrooms, I boiled them up and tripped hard. My friend had about 20 from the same stock and just ate them with chips, they were semi dry, nothing happened to him. I've had small doses and I've had large doses, they were all the same, appart from that one time; if it works it works I find, and if it doesn't then it doesn't work at all.

I've only had golden tops, how would you say liberty caps compare?

[oneofmany]

http://fantasy.lacefairy.com/Misc/knight23.GIF


With LOVE.

A TRUTH I BELIEVE

IF YOU DON'T PREACH TO ME AND TELL ME HOW TO LIVE,
THEN I'LL KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S LOVE THAT YOU GIVE,
FOR LOVE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER LEAVE,
'CAUSE IF UNITED WE STAND, UNITED WE ACHIEVE.

SO IF YOU LISTEN THEN YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND,
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WILL DEMAND,
TO LIVE LIFE WITH LOVE AS YOUR GOAL,
ALLOWS YOU TO LIVE ETERNALLY AS YOUR SOUL.

NOW IT'S TIME TO DECIDE WHERE IT IS YOU LIVE,
AND MAKE THE CHOICE OF WHAT IT IS YOU GIVE,
FOR I HAVE CHOSEN TO MAKE MY LOVE CLEAR,
'CAUSE GIVING TO WHERE I'M LIVING CREATES HEAVEN HERE.

THIS IS A MESSAGE THAT IS EASILY HEARD,
IT'S A GIFT OF LOVE CONTAINED WITHIN WORD,
NO CODE OR CYPHER IT IS THAT YOU NEED,
YOU WILL LIVE ETERNALLY WHEN LOVE IS FREED.

IT'S A MESSAGE DIRECT FROM YOUR SOUL,
LOVE IS THE GIVER THAT MAKES YOU WHOLE,
AND TOGETHER AS ONE WE CAN ACHIEVE,
UNITING LOVES FAMILY, A TRUTH I BELIEVE.

Heeheeheehee. :D:D:D I won't respond to date man's tirade. He's just out for an argument. I love the crusader bit. Very Apt!!

[21_12_2012]

I won't respond to date man's tirade. He's just out for an argument. I love the crusader bit. Very Apt!!


I think your wording should have been "I CAN'T respond'....not..."i WON'T respond'
And no, you're wrong, yet again. oneofmanytiresomedruggies......I'm not out for an argument at all...I am here to present facts....and to once again ask the question that NOBODY is replying to:-

What if your son/daughter/niece/nephew started getting wasted on drugs?

Would you be as quick to defend your drug taking as you are now?
Or would you be inclined to advise them to keep away from drugs?

Strange how everything goes quiet when I ask this isn't it.

[oneofmany]

Did somebody sat something....... I didn't think so, I must be hearing things:)

[21_12_2012]

Did somebody sat something....... I didn't think so, I must be hearing things:)

:D Don't worry....I don't expect an answer to my question...it would be like getting blood out of a stone on this thread.

Isn't it amazing...David Icke has taken ayahuasca 2 times in his whole life...and magic mushrooms once...and no other drugs ever....yet this thread's turned into a "hammer drugs as much as you can" thread....
I wonder if David Icke put his hand in a fire a couple of times, would people on this thread go around praising how good it is to put your hand in a fire and encourange other people to do it ! haha
Also amazing is the fact that drugs are an illusion, and the effects...so why would anybody need them if they're supposedly enlightened and 'switched-on' as most people claim they are on this forum..it baffles me !

[xdnax]

great discussion guys!!!

so any wild mushrooms lying around in a field? can i just eat 1 and trip my tits-off or what???

(lmao, i'm much deeper than this, but it's 2am! ...im SOBER, might i add)

...now, answer my question dammit!

[i am all i am]

Wow, most. Does this include Iboga ? Ergo ? Mescaline ? Pharmaceutical drugs ?

Maybe it is you that should "read the post". YOU are avoiding responsibility for YOUR choices. YOU decided, YOU chose. Did the drugs run up your legs, force your mouth open, jump inside and make you swallow them ???

So confident that you bowed to peer group pressure and couldn't say "no" ?

so what was your reason/purpose for taking "drugs" ?

How do you know what I am thinking ?

I cant be arsed replying to any more of these pathetic excuses to take drugs...you guys carry on !
Good luck to you

And yet here you are replying again.....was that a lie ? or merely the attention seeking walkout ?


With LOVE.

[oneofmany]

great discussion guys!!!

so any wild mushrooms lying around in a field? can i just eat 1 and trip my tits-off or what???

(lmao, i'm much deeper than this, but it's 2am! ...im SOBER, might i add)

...now, answer my question dammit!Do your research before going out for a pick, because some forms of mushrooms are poisonous. There are great links if you wish to use them on this thread.

[xdnax]

Do your research before going out for a pick, because some forms of mushrooms are poisonous. There are great links if you wish to use them on this thread.

will do....or maybe i wont! drugs are evil, dont you know that??????? lmfao
:D

[luther]

I've had many trips on shrooms. I don't take them anymore. What i have learnt is that it is not the "drugs" that are positive or negative. Its the conciousness behind them determines that. People like to blame everything but themselves for their problems. Oh they say "it wasn't me. It was the drugs. They made me do it". No they didn't. Thats what your really like inside when you lose control over your inhibitions. The other things is taking them for the wrong reasons. If you do that then you get what you deserve buddy. Don't blame it on the drugs. Blame yourself. You are responsible for creating your own reality.

Life & Laughter
Luther

[deano]

I've had many trips on shrooms. I don't take them anymore. What i have learnt is that it is not the "drugs" that are positive or negative. Its the conciousness behind them determines that. People like to blame everything but themselves for their problems. Oh they say "it wasn't me. It was the drugs. They made me do it". No they didn't. Thats what your really like inside when you lose control over your inhibitions. The other things is taking them for the wrong reasons. If you do that then you get what you deserve buddy. Don't blame it on the drugs. Blame yourself. You are responsible for creating your own reality.

Life & Laughter
Luther

FUKIN AMEN. precisely.

if you are not mentally prepared, then be prepared for a backlash

[oneofmany]

will do....or maybe i wont! drugs are evil, dont you know that??????? lmfao
:DYea, evil :rolleyes: whatever.

[oneofmany]

I've had many trips on shrooms. I don't take them anymore. What i have learnt is that it is not the "drugs" that are positive or negative. Its the conciousness behind them determines that. People like to blame everything but themselves for their problems. Oh they say "it wasn't me. It was the drugs. They made me do it". No they didn't. Thats what your really like inside when you lose control over your inhibitions. The other things is taking them for the wrong reasons. If you do that then you get what you deserve buddy. Don't blame it on the drugs. Blame yourself. You are responsible for creating your own reality.

Life & Laughter
LutherExactly what I have been saying. 100% correct Luther.

[auron]

What if your son/daughter/niece/nephew started getting wasted on drugs?

Would you be as quick to defend your drug taking as you are now?
Or would you be inclined to advise them to keep away from drugs?


I would sit down and talk with them and explain everything about them and all the dangers involved, and talk to them like an adult about why they are choosing to do them. If they are taking this man-made shit, then yes, i'd certainly talk them out of it by telling them about my own experiences years ago, when i used to get wasted on any drug i could get hold of.

Personally, i would suggest to them to do mushrooms with me, because under my supervision they would be guaranteed an amazing spiritual experience, and they would never touch any other drug again!

Yes 2012, i agree with you that most of the drugs that are freely available do seriously fuck people up. What the youngsters need is real education from people like ourselves, so they can make their own informed choices. Not "DRUGS ARE BAD!" "DRUGS ARE EVIL!", because it does not work, has never worked, or will ever work!

Auron :)

[father ted]

great discussion guys!!!

so any wild mushrooms lying around in a field? can i just eat 1 and trip my tits-off or what???

(lmao, i'm much deeper than this, but it's 2am! ...im SOBER, might i add)

...now, answer my question dammit!

I was told of an incident where a guy who only had one mushroom, had a cavity in a tooth. It exposed a raw nerve, and the "dose" must have gone straight into it, because he was trippn hard only of one mushroom.

[21_12_2012]

Personally, i would suggest to them to do mushrooms with me, because under my supervision they would be guaranteed an amazing spiritual experience, and they would never touch any other drug again!

You'd ask them...to do mushrooms with you...and then they'd never be curious about ANY OTHER drugs...am I reading this correctly?

Yes 2012, i agree with you that most of the drugs that are freely available do seriously fuck people up.

I can pick mushrooms all day long round where I live in september/october....is that freely-enough availability?

What the youngsters need is real education from people like ourselves, so they can make their own informed choices. Not "DRUGS ARE BAD!" "DRUGS ARE EVIL!", because it does not work, has never worked, or will ever work!

Wrong...what kids need teaching is the fact that kids minds (and a large proportion of adults minds) just aren't developed enough or mature enough to handle any form of drug, and choosing to take them WILL mess them up, and WILL naturally make them curious to want to take other drugs.
It's as simple as that.

[3ill]

Great Shamanistic experience:

Make a tincture from ground Morning Glory seeds.

Check Erowid for detailed info. This will drain your body.

Mushrooms are amazing and warm and beautiful.

3'LL

[auron]

2012, we'll just have to agree to disagree! Seriously though i really don't want to get involved in a war of words over any of this, because i'm not interested in trying score points over anyone here.

And quite frankly, i can't be arsed.

Auron :)

[father ted]

21_12_2012, you're just gonna have to try them, you'll be alright:)

[lottie]

:D Don't worry....I don't expect an answer to my question...it would be like getting blood out of a stone on this thread.

Isn't it amazing...David Icke has taken ayahuasca 2 times in his whole life...and magic mushrooms once...and no other drugs ever....yet this thread's turned into a "hammer drugs as much as you can" thread....
I wonder if David Icke put his hand in a fire a couple of times, would people on this thread go around praising how good it is to put your hand in a fire and encourange other people to do it ! haha
Also amazing is the fact that drugs are an illusion, and the effects...so why would anybody need them if they're supposedly enlightened and 'switched-on' as most people claim they are on this forum..it baffles me !

Oh dont be so f**king ridiculous, get down from that high horse you are on and go to another thread, this is not a thread for 12 yr olds who have been directed to by the youth workers drug team to gain advice, its a forum for us to share idea's and experiences, we are not here to discuss the nature of whether its ethically right or wrong and it certainly has nothing to do with whether or not david icke took a drug a million years a go. I for one am completely insulted by that comment, we all have our own minds, we are all adults, we all make our own choices, ive never heard such a childish response and you seem blatantly blind to the reaction you are receiving here! ITS NOT THE PLACE FOR THESE QUESTIONS! prehaps you could go make your own thread discussing your distress over young people being pressured into taking drugs or ask how others would feel about it if their relatives were involved but this just isnt the right convo love! Im not being nasty, far from it, i just think your questions are very valid but being directed in the wrong thread!

i think deano said in the beginning.....
anyone try any?

im interested but its hard now the fascist cocksuckers have made something natural 'illegal'.

i really want to experience some but have no idea where to get them from. i could go searching the fields. are they always there or do you have to go at a specific time in the year?

im sick to death of people and their ignorant responses in threads that turn a good old laugh and a share of moments into something to either feel guilty about or turn 'serious'! and especially the vibe from people who are attacking others in that manner, im not attacking you i am merely stating that you have certainly insulted me personally, to think that i'd take a drug because David Icke did? How ridiculous! pah....:mad:

[tommi]

Well said lottie :D

If 2012 actually read most of the threads then he/she would see that no one is actually advocating the use of drugs, but actually giving some sound advice if people were actually thinking of doing any, particularly naturally grown ones.

I would always try and talk someone out of doing heroin or others of it's ilk but I wouldn't physically stop them. To compare heroin etc. to mushrooms is just daft, they couldn't be any further apart.

Just a question 2012, if you are still watching this thread, would you advise someone to take antibiotics or pain killers if they had a cold or were in pain? And also, do you ever drink (alcohol)?

[wizard]

I have tried them several times, in the right environment with good friends and i had the most wonderful time. Sorry:D .
The first time i tried them the first thing i said to my friend was, "no wonder they don"t want people to do this". Time had no meaning and everything looked alive, for want of better words. it is indescribable for me, and i am sure the experience is different for each individual.

[21_12_2012]

21_12_2012, you're just gonna have to try them, you'll be alright:)

I've tried them, at least 20 times over the past 20 years...sometimes i've had as many as 50-60 in one go...sometimes as little as 20 or 30....and most times, no, i wasn't alright...you see visions...you see through things as if they're invisible....you appear to be taller than buildings...you look down on things...you start off with manic laughter for about half an hour...you realise life's an illusion...then it gets weird and boring...you wanna come down...blah blah...same old same old.
My large group of old friends (more than 20 others) felt exactly the same...most hated them...and most said it was the worse thing they'd ever had....neither me or any of my friends had any spiritual insights whatsoever...otherwise i would not have been writing what i have previously written on this thread.
I have had more spiritual growth since stopping drugs altogether.

[21_12_2012]

Well said lottie :D

If 2012 actually read most of the threads then he/she would see that no one is actually advocating the use of drugs, but actually giving some sound advice if people were actually thinking of doing any, particularly naturally grown ones.

I would always try and talk someone out of doing heroin or others of it's ilk but I wouldn't physically stop them. To compare heroin etc. to mushrooms is just daft, they couldn't be any further apart.

Just a question 2012, if you are still watching this thread, would you advise someone to take antibiotics or pain killers if they had a cold or were in pain? And also, do you ever drink (alcohol)?

Pain killers ...yes...i take them whenever i have pain...whats wrong with that?..
No i hardly drink at all..

[tommi]

Pain killers ...yes...i take them whenever i have pain...whats wrong with that?..
No i hardly drink at all..

I put my life on it that they would hold you back spiritually a thousand times more than mushrooms.

They are still drugs, but just because the illuminati pharmaceutical companies tell you they're o.k. then you still take them without question!

I was sort of with you for a while, simply because you were so passionate about the subject, even though I didn't really agree with you, but now I'm completely stumped.

End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. I won't be looking back for any replies..

[i am all i am]

Oh dont be so f**king ridiculous, get down from that high horse you are on and go to another thread, this is not a thread for 12 yr olds who have been directed to by the youth workers drug team to gain advice, its a forum for us to share idea's and experiences, we are not here to discuss the nature of whether its ethically right or wrong and it certainly has nothing to do with whether or not david icke took a drug a million years a go. I for one am completely insulted by that comment, we all have our own minds, we are all adults, we all make our own choices, ive never heard such a childish response and you seem blatantly blind to the reaction you are receiving here! ITS NOT THE PLACE FOR THESE QUESTIONS! prehaps you could go make your own thread discussing your distress over young people being pressured into taking drugs or ask how others would feel about it if their relatives were involved but this just isnt the right convo love! Im not being nasty, far from it, i just think your questions are very valid but being directed in the wrong thread!

i think deano said in the beginning.....
anyone try any?

im interested but its hard now the fascist cocksuckers have made something natural 'illegal'.

i really want to experience some but have no idea where to get them from. i could go searching the fields. are they always there or do you have to go at a specific time in the year?

im sick to death of people and their ignorant responses in threads that turn a good old laugh and a share of moments into something to either feel guilty about or turn 'serious'! and especially the vibe from people who are attacking others in that manner, im not attacking you i am merely stating that you have certainly insulted me personally, to think that i'd take a drug because David Icke did? How ridiculous! pah....:mad:

So well said that I thought that I would enlarge it so that it could be seen by those that obviously require too.

Lottie, you are a LEGEND.

With LOVE.

[midwich cuckoo]

Pain killers ...yes...i take them whenever i have pain...whats wrong with that?..

Thought you said you controlled pain with your mind?. Someones telling porkies!. ;)

Now I'll say it again, my pain is so bad that the strongest prescription painkillers do not work, but cannabis does.

So what's wrong with that?.

[21_12_2012]

Thought you said you controlled pain with your mind?. Someones telling porkies!. ;)

Now I'll say it again, my pain is so bad that the strongest presciption painkillers do not work, but cannabis does, what's wrong with that?.

Actually, seeing as you are nitpicking my every word for some reason...any pain that is not a headache, i can blank out, headaches i can not...so i use paracetomol..very very occasionally.

[21_12_2012]

So well said that I thought that I would enlarge it so that it could be seen by those that obviously require too.

Lottie, you are a LEGEND.

With LOVE.

ermm..ha...ha....ha.....what a great job you're doing of making me look wrong eh....(not)

[21_12_2012]

I put my life on it that they would hold you back spiritually a thousand times more than mushrooms.

They are still drugs, but just because the illuminati pharmaceutical companies tell you they're o.k. then you still take them without question!

I was sort of with you for a while, simply because you were so passionate about the subject, even though I didn't really agree with you, but now I'm completely stumped.

End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. I won't be looking back for any replies..

So, you'll put your life on it that me taking paracetomol every blue moon for headaches (which i very rarely get), holds me back 'a thousand times more' than mushrooms do.
I can smell something....

[i am all i am]

ermm..ha...ha....ha.....what a great job you're doing of making me look wrong eh....(not)

Of course you're not wrong. There is no wrong and right.

But you do lie http://www.horton-szar.net/clipart/Assets/images/signs-exclamation2.gif

You said that you do not take drugs.

What are painkillers and alcohol ???

With LOVE.

[midwich cuckoo]

Actually, seeing as you are nitpicking my every word for some reason...any pain that is not a headache, i can blank out, headaches i can not...so i use paracetomol..very very occasionally.

I don't believe you. :rolleyes:

Not that you care, and to be honest neither do I.

I'm done with you, liar. :p

[pollock]

Isnt it enough soon?
I think it is very clear what our different veiws are by now, this thread started out with a question about how it feels to do mushrooms!
I would personally really like to hear details about your bad trips 2012, as I have not had any myself!
I also think that sharing your experiences would be more productive than all this other arguing if you want to reach young people with your message!
I mean, be honest, would you have listened to yourself when you were young and started checking out drugs??
In my experience young people are willing to listen to opposite views on these things but not if its put across agressively!
So lets share experiences instead of bitter remarks!

F

[21_12_2012]

Oh dont be so f**king ridiculous, get down from that high horse you are on and go to another thread

You wish ! High horse..ha

this is not a thread for 12 yr olds who have been directed to by the youth workers drug team to gain advice, its a forum for us to share idea's and experiences,

So, you've obvioulsy monitored every person who visits here, and made a note of their ages...well done !

we are not here to discuss the nature of whether its ethically right or wrong

You don't need to tell me that..i cant tell by the way people haphazardly encourage drug use on here.

we all have our own minds, we are all adults, we all make our own choices,

Yes, you should know we're all adults having monitored the traffic to this forum..

ive never heard such a childish response and you seem blatantly blind to the reaction you are receiving here!

I take it you have no kids, or haven't thought about the question i posed to everyone earlier.

ITS NOT THE PLACE FOR THESE QUESTIONS!

Is it not..? Oh..and there's me thinking the David Icke forum was a place of free speech and different views..silly me eh !

prehaps you could go make your own thread discussing your distress over young people being pressured into taking drugs or ask how others would feel about it if their relatives were involved

Perhaps i couldn't..perhaps i will just carry on and on putting my factual points across.

but this just isnt the right convo love! Im not being nasty, far from it, i just think your questions are very valid but being directed in the wrong thread!

Well i don't ! So let's differ there shall we?!

im sick to death of people and their ignorant responses in threads that turn a good old laugh and a share of moments into something to either feel guilty about or turn 'serious'! and especially the vibe from people who are attacking others in that manner, im not attacking you i am merely stating that you have certainly insulted me personally, to think that i'd take a drug because David Icke did? How ridiculous! pah....:mad:

And i'm sick to death of people encouraging drug use and making up crap that drugs help you on the 'path to enlightenment'

I've insulted you?!! And this coming from someone who hasn't even ever had mushrooms, so has no room to comment on them whatsoever....have you actually had any drugs whatsoever?..

This threads getting more mind-boggling by the minute ! Who needs drugs...just read some of the comments by other people on here ! Your mind WILL be all over the place....with confusion...

[21_12_2012]

I don't believe you. :rolleyes:

Not that you care, and to be honest neither do I.

I'm done with you, liar. :p

You must be psychic ! Those are the exact words i was thinking about you...wow...brilliant !

[21_12_2012]

Of course you're not wrong. There is no wrong and right.

But you do lie http://www.horton-szar.net/clipart/Assets/images/signs-exclamation2.gif

You said that you do not take drugs.

What are painkillers and alcohol ???

With LOVE.

Once again...you've made me look like such a loser..oh dear..i had a beer about 3 weeks back now...and a headache the other day..tut tut..i better watch out eh.

[3ill]

"Y'all Motherfuckers is crazy!"

I take any drug that will give me an experience I want, and yet I feel enlightened. Am I wrong? Is that a spiritual Oxymoron?

What I don't take.

Heroin: Makes Zombies.

Cocaine: Makes faster Zombies.

Methamphetamines: Makes zombies look like child's doll.

Anti-Psychotics: I think not. I like being psychotic, if that's what it's labelled as.

Pain Pills: Now, this is tricky. I'm not a fan, but I'm not hating.

Now Mushrooms. Mushrooms make me feel at peace. They bring insight about the world and allow deprogramming when used properly. Even the most hellish Mushroom experience has only taught me more about myself. I think we need the bad too, as it's only a reflection of ourselves, and can bring forth personal epiphanies.

Why argue about it? Seriously. To what end? Are you really going to change someones mind? No.

I don't care if you think Mushrooms are some evil dangerous thing. Wooly Bully for you. I don't care if you read the Bible, watch TV, drink coffee, eat processed sugar, masturbate quietly, loudly, fingerfuck your sister, or shit on the head of your dying mother.

What boggles me however is this whole argument. Do you really care what they think? You know what you've experienced, why do you have to prove it to someone who hasn't? Is your legitimacy based on what other people think? A few pages of this thread shows a few "Yes-es" in the crowd. Why? To what end?

Now on the fact that the Bastards made something illegal that was made by GOD ("I hear he's infallible."), yes they did. Simple as that. Is this argument going to sway the destruction of prohibition laws? Are you fucking kidding me? Do you think you are the first people to have this argument? Do you think that this person is going to suddenly have an epiphany, realize you are right and bow down before you and praise you for releasing them from their cell of ignorance? Hmmmmmmmm.....how often does that happen?

Just my thoughts. Only worth two cents.

3'LL

[pollock]

Isnt it enough soon?
I think it is very clear what our different veiws are by now, this thread started out with a question about how it feels to do mushrooms!
I would personally really like to hear details about your bad trips 2012, as I have not had any myself!
I also think that sharing your experiences would be more productive than all this other arguing if you want to reach young people with your message!
I mean, be honest, would you have listened to yourself when you were young and started checking out drugs??
In my experience young people are willing to listen to opposite views on these things but not if its put across agressively!
So lets share experiences instead of bitter remarks!

F

Yes like I said, but no reply from 2012, either hes writing some experiences down or dont have any I guess!

F

[i am all i am]

Yes like I said, but no reply from 2012, either hes writing some experiences down or dont have any I guess!

F

http://www.timshen.truepath.com/christian/Minister_shouts.gif

Nah, he's writing a new sermon.

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

Yes like I said, but no reply from 2012, either hes writing some experiences down or dont have any I guess!

F

The reason i typed my first message on this thread was to state the fact that mushrooms are of no use whatsoever for spiritually advancing the soul.
I didn't come on here to discuss my 20+ experiences with mushrooms, or unhelpful they were for me as a person.
Why would i want to waste my time doing that?
As i've already stated:- they make you feel weird...manic laughter...fleeting visions...seeing things as transparent...life's an illusion....nausea for the first hour.....uncomfortableness....and in most cases a loss of mental well-being...a great desire to come down after an hour or 2...and i have witnessed people crying and losing their minds plenty of times.
Spiritual enlightenment? Not for me thanks.

[21_12_2012]

http://www.timshen.truepath.com/christian/Minister_shouts.gif

Nah, he's writing a new sermon.

With LOVE.

Once again, sharp wit from one of the forums foremost members of the drug clique...
Did you go to comedy school?

[i am all i am]

http://www.timshen.truepath.com/christian/Minister_shouts.gif

Nah, he's writing a new sermon.

With LOVE.

I was close Pollock.....it's the same sermon that he posted previously.

IF YOU DON'T PREACH TO ME AND TELL ME HOW TO LIVE,
THEN I'LL KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S LOVE THAT YOU GIVE.

With LOVE.

[3ill]

As i've already stated:- they make you feel weird...manic laughter...fleeting visions...seeing things as transparent...life's an illusion....nausea for the first hour.....uncomfortableness....and in most cases a loss of mental well-being...a great desire to come down after an hour or 2...and i have witnessed people crying and losing their minds plenty of times.
Spiritual enlightenment? Not for me thanks.




Your pain is the breaking of the shell
that encloses your understanding.

Even as the stone of the fruit must break,that its
heart may stand in the sun, so must you know pain.

And could you keep your heart in wonder
at the daily miracles of your life, your pain
would not seem less wondrous than your joy;

And you would accept the seasons of your
heart, even as you have always accepted
the seasons that pass over your fields.

And you would watch with serenity
through the winters of your grief.

Much of your pain is self-chosen.

It is the bitter potion by which the
physician within you heals your sick self.

Therefore trust the physician, and drink
his remedy in silence and tranquillity:

For his hand, though heavy and hard, is guided
by the tender hand of the Unseen,
And the cup he brings, though it burn your lips,
has been fashioned of the clay which the Potter
has moistened with His own sacred tears.


- Kahlil Gibran

[pollock]

Originally Posted by 21_12_2012 View Post
As i've already stated:- they make you feel weird...manic laughter...fleeting visions...seeing things as transparent...life's an illusion....nausea for the first hour.....uncomfortableness....and in most cases a loss of mental well-being...a great desire to come down after an hour or 2...and i have witnessed people crying and losing their minds plenty of times.
Spiritual enlightenment? Not for me thanks.

I see why you dont like eating them then, but I still dont understand why you are so angry about others finding "Spiritual enlightenment" (or just joy)from trippin on shrooms?

F

[21_12_2012]

I see why you dont like eating them then, but I still dont understand why you are so angry about others finding "Spiritual enlightenment" (or just joy)from trippin on shrooms?

F

Angry? errm...not really...disappointed is the word I'd use.
Considering this forum should contain supposedly the most switched on and awake people, it's not looking good for mankind really is it !
There's me thinking that followers of David Icke's work should know already that everything is illusion, including drugs and their effects...and nothing is 'out there', it's all within...so people who take them must be lacking in the ability to look within, and instead need artificial 'out there' alternatives.
Dissapointing.
People also seem to forget, once the drugs wear off, you're back to square one..again...so where's the progress?
You say 'joy from trippin on shrooms' ...what about joy from life without drugs? Joy from developing without drugs...no mention of that is there.

[21_12_2012]

I was close Pollock.....it's the same sermon that he posted previously.

IF YOU DON'T PREACH TO ME AND TELL ME HOW TO LIVE,
THEN I'LL KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S LOVE THAT YOU GIVE.

With LOVE.

The only sermons I can see on here are the ones from drug users...making themselves feel better about being in the wrong..self denial.

[lottie]

Angry? errm...not really...disappointed is the word I'd use.
Considering this forum should contain supposedly the most switched on and awake people, it's not looking good for mankind really is it !
There's me thinking that followers of David Icke's work should know already that everything is illusion, including drugs and their effects...and nothing is 'out there', it's all within...so people who take them must be lacking in the ability to look within, and instead need artificial 'out there' alternatives.
Dissapointing.
People also seem to forget, once the drugs wear off, you're back to square one..again...so where's the progress?
You say 'joy from trippin on shrooms' ...what about joy from life without drugs? Joy from developing without drugs...no mention of that is there.

I totally understand and respect your viewpoint there, and you are right with what you say about spiritual enlightenment coming from within and the whole illusion thing, but my point is, that despite this fact, everyone is entitled to make their own choices, as you have made yours. I agree with you that everything comes from within us but also within that illusion we call the 3D world, we can only percieve this with our 3D tuned eyes and 5 senses to decode this reality, if we try other drugs such as mushrooms there is the possiblity that we can see other things that we cannot see within the 3D 5 sense world, just because you cant see them now doesnt mean they are not there right?!! (but this is MY opinion and you may not agree but thats OK because its MY opinion not YOURS!!!!) So my thoughts would be that i would like to try them now that i am more spiritually in tune with myself (when i did them last it was about 4 yrs ago before i knew all the spiritual stuff) so that maybe i can try and experience them now and see if its any different! I totally respect that fact that you can do without drugs and that you can see beyond the illusion but you are looking from your viewpoint/experience and im looking from mine, i believe we are here to experience life from our own viewpoint, we are a piece of consciousness (eho has forgotten that it is all that is) experiencing itself subjectively and when we all go back to Oneness we will collaborate all our experiences, so with that in mind, you will go back to consciousness and your contribution of experience will be that you found spiritual enlightenment without drugs and i will go back and my contribution to consciousness will be that i chose to try drugs! but ultimately we are just the same thing...One, but without all these different viewpoints we'll all go back to oneness with a pretty piss poor collaberation of experiences, as you say its all an illusion here so what does it matter if we experiment with drugs or not?
Try not to be disappointed because its ok for other people to have different experiences to what you choose, its OK!! That's what we are all here for!! Even people who are labelled 'bad', they have their experiences to take back to consciousness when this is all over! :)

[friendsinthesky]

NO-ONE here, in this thread - who participates in the taking of magicmushrooms has given any knowledge about the unseen, the illuminati, the devil, the 4th,5th dimension. You have given your interpreted trip and that's ALL it is, a trip!

1 other member keeps posting a 'disclaimer' saying that {you should do it with people you trust}..and why would that be.

[i am all i am]

The only sermons I can see (1) on here are the ones from drug users...making themselves feel better about being in the wrong (2)..self denial.

BELIEF IS ALL


ALL THOUGHTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS LEAD FROM YOUR BELIEF.


(1) IF YOUR BELIEF IS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING, THEN YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND UNABLE TO SEE THAT WHICH YOU ARE OPPOSED TO.


YOUR BELIEF ALLOWS YOU TO UNDERSTAND AND SEE THAT WHICH YOU BELIEVE IN HERE AND NOW WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.


THEREFORE, BELIEVING WILL ALLOW YOU TO SEE, AND THAT WHICH YOU SEE IS A CONFIRMATION OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU BELIEVE.


TO MASTER YOURSELF, OR EXPERIENCE SELF-MASTERY, YOU WILL REQUIRE A BELIEF THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THAT IS.


THE BELIEF THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ENCOMPASS ALL THAT IS AND THEREFORE UNDERSTAND AND SEE ALL THAT IS, IS THE BELIEF THAT ALL IS POSSIBLE.


AS ALL THAT IS IS ALREADY HERE WITHIN ITS ENTIRETY, IT BECOMES YOUR CHOICE TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THAT IS AND ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS.


TO ACKNOWLEDGE IS TO RECOGNISE, OR RE-COGNISE, THAT IS, ONCE AGAIN EXPERIENCE KNOWING.


TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS, IS TO ACCEPT YOUR TRUE SELF, THE INFINITE BEING THAT YOU TRULY ARE.


WHAT YOU ARE BEING, YOU EXPERIENCE, AND IT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE OF BEING YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE HERE FOR.


THEREFORE, WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BE WILL DETERMINE YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND ONLY THROUGH YOUR EXPERIENCE CAN YOU EXPRESS SELF-MASTERY WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/silverhawk.gif

(2) When paired opposites define your beliefs, your beliefs will imprison you.

Right and wrong are paired opposites.

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

I totally understand and respect your viewpoint there, and you are right with what you say about spiritual enlightenment coming from within and the whole illusion thing, but my point is, that despite this fact, everyone is entitled to make their own choices, as you have made yours. I agree with you that everything comes from within us but also within that illusion we call the 3D world, we can only percieve this with our 3D tuned eyes and 5 senses to decode this reality, if we try other drugs such as mushrooms there is the possiblity that we can see other things that we cannot see within the 3D 5 sense world, just because you cant see them now doesnt mean they are not there right?!! (but this is MY opinion and you may not agree but thats OK because its MY opinion not YOURS!!!!) So my thoughts would be that i would like to try them now that i am more spiritually in tune with myself (when i did them last it was about 4 yrs ago before i knew all the spiritual stuff) so that maybe i can try and experience them now and see if its any different! I totally respect that fact that you can do without drugs and that you can see beyond the illusion but you are looking from your viewpoint/experience and im looking from mine, i believe we are here to experience life from our own viewpoint, we are a piece of consciousness (eho has forgotten that it is all that is) experiencing itself subjectively and when we all go back to Oneness we will collaborate all our experiences, so with that in mind, you will go back to consciousness and your contribution of experience will be that you found spiritual enlightenment without drugs and i will go back and my contribution to consciousness will be that i chose to try drugs! but ultimately we are just the same thing...One, but without all these different viewpoints we'll all go back to oneness with a pretty piss poor collaberation of experiences, as you say its all an illusion here so what does it matter if we experiment with drugs or not?
Try not to be disappointed because its ok for other people to have different experiences to what you choose, its OK!! That's what we are all here for!! Even people who are labelled 'bad', they have their experiences to take back to consciousness when this is all over! :)


Lottie..it is your decision and your free will to try whatever you like, but in no way would i every encourage anybody to take any kind of mind-altering drug...i had the same morals when i was a drug-user for 20 years as well.
Like i say, the reason i am writing on this thread is for the sake of any youngsters reading it, hardly healthy to have a one-sided debate is it.
The reason i never tried heroin (to give an example) is because i saw and heard first-hand what it does to people, some of my close friends got into heroin and one even died because of it.
If i had not seen and heard these first-hand accounts of the bad sides of that particular drug (and others) then i would probably have tried heroin, but i never did. I was lucky, because drugs are so easy and cheap to get hold of where i am.
Do you see my point?
If people on here think they must try mushrooms to decide how crap they are, then that's up to them, they'll find out in the end...I'm just saving them the trouble.
If i didn't care, i wouldn't even bother typing anything...but i do care, and i have seen the worst from drugs.

[3ill]

NO-ONE here, in this thread - who participates in the taking of magicmushrooms has given any knowledge about the unseen, the illuminati, the devil, the 4th,5th dimension. You have given your interpreted trip and that's ALL it is, a trip!

1 other member keeps posting a 'disclaimer' saying that {you should do it with people you trust}..and why would that be.


Bush's eyes and mouth have nothing in them. That wasn't even when I was tripping but was exacerbated by it. On a trip, I truly saw the walking death that Kathi Lee Gifford is. I've meditated on it and reached peaks of understanding that cannot be explained, and frankly, don't need to be. My mind works at a fantastic rate when I'm on mushrooms, I'm able to remember all of the imformation that my brain stores on point.

Whatever. Seriously, you either understand or you don't.

Bye to this thread. Have fun tearing each others throat out over something that brings me peace and joy. Word War Won.

3'LL

[21_12_2012]

ALL THOUGHTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS LEAD FROM YOUR BELIEF.


(1) IF YOUR BELIEF IS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING, THEN YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND UNABLE TO SEE THAT WHICH YOU ARE OPPOSED TO.

Your belief is opposed to me speaking my mind on here !
Hypocrisy!

[21_12_2012]

NO-ONE here, in this thread - who participates in the taking of magicmushrooms has given any knowledge about the unseen, the illuminati, the devil, the 4th,5th dimension. You have given your interpreted trip and that's ALL it is, a trip!

1 other member keeps posting a 'disclaimer' saying that {you should do it with people you trust}..and why would that be.

Too right...because mushrooms are crap..waste of time and energy.

[deano]

i'll be taking them anyway.

im ready for them

[i am all i am]

Lottie..it is your decision and your free will to try whatever you like, but in no way would i every encourage anybody to take any kind of mind-altering drug...i had the same morals when i was a drug-user for 20 years as well.
Like i say, the reason i am writing on this thread is for the sake of any youngsters reading it, hardly healthy to have a one-sided debate is it.
Magic mushrooms
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
anyone try any?

im interested but its hard now the fascist cocksuckers have made something natural 'illegal'.

i really want to experience some but have no idea where to get them from. i could go searching the fields. are they always there or do you have to go at a specific time in the year?

If you read the original post, Deano does not ask for a debate. There was a simple question asked and you have decided to attack and accuse people that have given a different answer than what you have. If you really wanted to do something "for the sake of any youngsters", you would have already started a thread giving your point of view and your experiences as an example.
The reason i never tried heroin (to give an example) is because i saw and heard first-hand what it does to people, some of my close friends got into heroin and one even died because of it.
If i had not seen and heard these first-hand accounts of the bad sides of that particular drug (and others) then i would probably have tried heroin, but i never did. I was lucky, because drugs are so easy and cheap to get hold of where i am.
And of course you never were told about the negative side of the drugs that you did take, hmmmm, yeah !!!
Do you see my point?
If people on here think they must try mushrooms to decide how crap they are, then that's up to them, they'll find out in the end...I'm just saving them the trouble.
What you have totally ignored is the fact that almost every single person that has replied on this thread has already had mushrooms. No one needs you to "save them", they understand what they are doing and realise that it is their choice. Saving people is a christian pastime.
If i didn't care, i wouldn't even bother typing anything...but i do care, and i have seen the worst from drugs.
Do you make accusations because you care ? Are you abusive towards others because you care ? Have you seen a suicide from an overdose firsthand ? Have you seen a baby that has been born going through withdrawal pain because mum was a heroin addict firsthand ? Have you ever had to go to someones place and remove the baby from them and take it to a hospital for treatmnet ? You are not the only one onthis thread, or this forum that has seen and done things.

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

Your belief is opposed to me speaking my mind on here !
Hypocrisy!

Please read through the thread and re-post where I ever told you not to speak your mind, or to stop from posting.

This is merely a projection of yourself onto another. So yes, hypocrisy sums up perfectly your post.

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

i'll be taking them anyway.

im ready for them

G'day Deano.

The advice that you have received from the rational people on this thread that have experienced mushrooms will be of benefit for you, and I believe that you are perfectly sensible enough to consume mushrooms for your own reasons without having to justify them to anyone else.

Enjoy the journey brother.

With LOVE.

[tommi]

I said I wasn't going to post on this thread again but hey..

2012, if you feel so passionate about the whole subject then why don't you become a care worker of some kind, go to the local youth clubs where there are young children and give them advice on the pitfalls of doing any drugs. It's become clear that the people responding on here know what they're talking about in their own experience.

I would never, and I repeat never, tell anyone to use any sort of drugs. But in the same breath I would never tell anyone not to do them. I think you've lost sight a bit here. The life we're living is just a blink of an eye, do you seriously think God gives a flying f*** just because I've put certain chemicals in my body or anyone else for that matter. No.

I learned harsh lessons through doing too many drugs, I openly admit. But so what. I try to treat people with love, respect and kindness. Is it suddenly null and void just because I done 50 mushrooms last year?

I actually feel for you a bit, having described your experiences with mushrooms as that sounded crap. I wouldn't have taken them twice if that happened to me, but there are 6 billion people on the planet, each with their own unique chemistry and everyone has a completely different experience in everything they do.

I'll tell you something else as well. When I was 17, I done 2 trips, had a complete nightmare and I haven't come down from it since! I'm 31 now and have been tripping for 14 years non stop so I think I'd be in quite a good position to tell people not to dabble, but how can I? We've got our own free will and we chose what we want to do with our lives. Full stop. God does not care one bit.

Just live and let live mate. Do something worthwhile with the passion you have so obviously got about the subject, apart from coming on here and telling people they are wrong, just because they enjoyed their selves on something that is completely natural and grows out the earth. Does this make the earth wrong now because it dares to grow such stuff in your life time?

I'm sure you've had a few drinks in your lifetime. My family was ripped apart by alcoholism. Does that make you a bad person now? No, of course it doesn't..

Peace and love to you..

[peter19]

good thread this.

iv wanted to try magic mushrooms for a while now and went out to pick some last , novemberish, think i got the wrong ones though lol. anyway i bought some fly agaric of the internet and was totally dissapointed, nothing happened really, which could be good or could of been bad, who knows.

anyway what i want to say is what i think- buddhists say "no self, no problem" and i think when you take drugs what changes mostly is your perception, so because that changes the whole you and your identity changes, things seem diffrent man, spooky, not "normal". and its not normal in my oppinion because you are clinging onto "yourself" and that is what can cause bad trips i think, holding onto you, "what if i go crazy?" "this is not right". but if you go with the flow then i bellive personally they will show you about your true self.

and btw if any one wants to pick them in uk the best time is august to january but with most of the fruits appearing in september and november- thats what the blook says lol. and any were whats watered through out the year is good spots to get them i think.

but yea also drugs can sort of fuck you up abit (or is it your mind?, dunno) i used to smoke ganje not to often but had abad trip and ever since that some times i used to think i could choke when eating food. so its not all good. but as people have allready said if you go into it slowly, respect it and educate yourself, read peoples experiences ect, i think if you took shrooms you probblys would be ok and might have a good trip.

i have a book " a guide to british psilocybin mushrooms by richard cooper. an in a couple of days probblys ill scan it and try to put it on this thread.

[midwich cuckoo]

I have taken rushmooms many times, personally I love the effects, including the 'bad trips'. I prefer to take them alone, as I find it to be a very personal experience in which I like to be free to do what I want/need to do without worrying about other peoples reactions/response.

A lot of the time I like to meditate in the dark while under the effects, I have experienced visions you wouldn't believe, such as flying through what I can only describe as "wormholes" and talking with "dragons" who speak in symbols. I have also done remarkably accurate tarot readings under the influence of rushmooms. :)

Of course there are those who will say that none of these experiences are real, but there are also those who say that nothing we experience is real. So to me these experiences are are real as anything else I have experienced in this existence.

If you haven't already, I suggest you look at the work of Jake Kotze, he talks a lot about mushrooms and synchromysticism (The art of finding meaningful coincidence in the seemingly mundane with mystical or esoteric significance). I find his work fascinating, it resonates completely with my own experiences. :)

Check him out here -

http://thebravenewworldorder.blogspot.com/

[deano]

G'day Deano.

The advice that you have received from the rational people on this thread that have experienced mushrooms will be of benefit for you, and I believe that you are perfectly sensible enough to consume mushrooms for your own reasons without having to justify them to anyone else.

Enjoy the journey brother.

With LOVE.

thank you. as someone said on this board:

''its not the drug, its the conciousness behind it'

im ready to experience a new reality.

[i am all i am]

A lot of the time I like to meditate in the dark while under the effects, I have experienced visions you wouldn't believe, such as flying through what I can only describe as "wormholes" and talking with "dragons" who speak in symbols. I have also done remarkably accurate tarot readings under the influence of rushmooms. :)

G'day Midwich Cuckoo.

These quotes are from the 'DNA and the origins of knowledge' thread......I thought that you may be interested after explaining your experience talking with "dragons".........

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2119&highlight=origins+knowledge

The Cosmic Serpent
by Jeremy Narby

Amazonian Indians have impressed the Western medical establishment in recent years by providing traditional remedies that have yielded rather powerful clinical drugs. Yet the native Amazonians offer a strange explanation of their detailed and practical botanical knowledge: they claim to obtain it by ingesting a hallucinogenic drug known as ayahuasca, which induces a trance in which they receive visions from spirits of the forest, who tell them how to use these plants effectively. Jeremy Narby is an anthropologist who took ayahuasca himself and experienced a common vision, that of gigantic serpents. Puzzled by the experience and aware that such imagery is common to primitive peoples around the world, Narby came to the conclusion that perhaps these serpents were in fact a representation of the double helix DNA molecule perceived by in a biochemically altered state of consciousness. Narby surveyed the literature of molecular biology, and speculates that the drug ayahuasca somehow generates conscious imagery from biophotons or similar signals emitted by DNA itself. Narby gathers some preliminary evidence to bolster his claim, and it is essential to read his footnotes to obtain the full technical detail of his research.
Here we have a description based on notes taken by Narby the night after the Ayahuasca ceremony:

First, Ruperto sprayed us with perfumed water and smoked us with his tobacco. He then sat with us and began whistling a melody of surprising beauty.

I could already see kaleidoscopic images in front of my eyes, but I did not feel well. Despite Ruperto's melody, I stood up to go and vomit. Having eliminated the remains of the deer and fried yucca meal, I went back to my seat feeling relieved. Ruperto told me that, without doubt, I had also thrown up the Ayahuasca and that I could take it again if I wanted so. I agreed. He checked my pulse and declared me strong enough for a "regular" dose, which I swallowed.

Ruperto whistled again while I sat down on the dark platform. Images began to flood my head. In my notes, I describe them as "unusual or horrible: an agouti baring his teeth inside a bloody mouth, multicolour serpents, very brilliant and shining, a policeman that caused trouble, my father looking at me with a worried look".

I found myself trapped by what I perceived as two giant boas, approximately sixty centimetres high and twelve to fifteen metres long. I was absolutely terrified. "These enormous serpents are there, I have my eyes shut and I see a spectacular world of bright lights, and in the middle of my entangled thoughts the serpents begin to speak to me without words. They explain to me that I am only a human being. I feel my spirit break, and in the crack I see the bottomless arrogance of my a priori. It is deeply true that I am only a human being and that most of the time I have the sensation of understanding everything, while here I find myself in a more powerful reality that I do not understand in any way and that, due to my arrogance, I did not even suspect it existed. I feel like crying before the enormity of these revelations, but I get the idea that this self-compassion is a part of my arrogance. I feel so ashamed that I dare not feel ashamed again. Nevertheless, I must vomit again."

I got up totally disoriented, and sincerely asking the fluorescent serpents for pardon, I jumped over them as a drunken somnambulist and went to the tree next to the house, below the kitchen.
Anthropologist Michael Harner, one of the first scholars that found a relation between Ayahuasca and DNA, narrated his experience with Ayahuasca in his writings, which I know quote:

"They first showed me planet Earth the way it was eons of time ago, before the presence of life. I saw an ocean, a sterile landscape and a deep blue sky. Then, black grains fell from the sky by the hundreds and landed in front of me on the arid land. I could see the "grains" were really big black and shiny creatures with wide pterodactyl wings and whale bodies (…) They explained to me, in a sort of mental language, that they were escaping from something in the Cosmos. They had come to planet Earth to escape from their enemies. Next, the creatures showed me how they had created life on Earth to hide in the midst of a multitude of forms and so dissimulate their presence. In front of my eyes, the magnificence of the creation of plants and animals and species differentiation - active for hundreds of millions of years - developed at a scale and with vigour impossible to describe. I realized that creatures similar to dragons thus resided inside all living beings, including man.

With LOVE.

[midwich cuckoo]

Oh wow!, thanks for bringing this to my attention, this part especially resonated with me -

I found myself trapped by what I perceived as two giant boas, approximately sixty centimetres high and twelve to fifteen metres long. I was absolutely terrified. "These enormous serpents are there, I have my eyes shut and I see a spectacular world of bright lights, and in the middle of my entangled thoughts the serpents begin to speak to me without words. They explain to me that I am only a human being. I feel my spirit break, and in the crack I see the bottomless arrogance of my a priori. It is deeply true that I am only a human being and that most of the time I have the sensation of understanding everything, while here I find myself in a more powerful reality that I do not understand in any way and that, due to my arrogance, I did not even suspect it existed. I feel like crying before the enormity of these revelations, but I get the idea that this self-compassion is a part of my arrogance. I feel so ashamed that I dare not feel ashamed again.

So close to my experiences it's uncanny. :) They were speaking to me through symbols, some of which I recognised but many I did not.

On a side note I have to mention the colours of these multicoloured 'dragons'. Colours I've never seen before and have no names for, very luminescent and ever changing.

Again thankyou so much for this, I will be looking into the experiences of others more and I can't wait for rushmoom season again. :D

[deano]

G'day Midwich Cuckoo.

These quotes are from the 'DNA and the origins of knowledge' thread......I thought that you may be interested after explaining your experience talking with "dragons".........

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2119&highlight=origins+knowledge





With LOVE.

nice post.

where can i obtain this Ayahuasca?

[i am all i am]

Oh wow!, thanks for bringing this to my attention, this part especially resonated with me -

So close to my experiences it's uncanny. :) They were speaking to me through symbols, some of which I recognised but many I did not.

On a side note I have to mention the colours of these multicoloured 'dragons'. Colours I've never seen before and have no names for, very luminescent and ever changing.

Again thankyou so much for this, I will be looking into the experiences of others more and I can't wait for rushmoom season again. :D

You are welcome brother.

I instantly thought of 'The Cosmic Serpent' when I read what you had written Midwich Cuckoo. The resemblance was striking for me between the two. The book contains more detail and I highly recommend it, a brilliant read with a lot of knowledge contained in it.

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

nice post.

where can i obtain this Ayahuasca?

The amazon forest. If you check the link to the thread, there is a link from where I got the essay on each chapter that is an ayahuasca guided shamanic tour company. You could also google it. I think that I have a link and will check for you and post it if I do and I find it.

With LOVE.

[auron]

Here is a great book on psychedelic plants. You can download it from here


Hallucinogenic Plants - A Golden Guide (http://www.badongo.net/file/2727309)

:)

[peter19]

thanks for that. if your gonna take them its good to get as much info as you can. :)

[i am all i am]

Here is a great book on psychedelic plants. You can download it from here


Hallucinogenic Plants - A Golden Guide (http://www.badongo.net/file/2727309)

:)

G'day Auron.

Thanks for the link.

I am downloading it now as I write this.

With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

If you read the original post, Deano does not ask for a debate. There was a simple question asked and you have decided to attack and accuse people that have given a different answer than what you have.

Actually. you're wrong. You're making out that I have attacked, when the truth is I have been attacked for putting across my personal knowledge of what mushrooms have done for me (and over 20 + of my friends)...basically nothing.
Deano asked if anybody had tried them, and i responded with words to the effect of:-
"don't bother mate..you'll get more enlightenment out of a benson and hedges"...which was immediately attacked by you and then others...so let's get it right eh...all i have been doing is defending myself and excercising my right to free speech, and to hopefully get across to young readers that drugs are NOT what they're cracked up to be, especially regarding 'spiritual progress' and 'finding ones self'

If you really wanted to do something "for the sake of any youngsters", you would have already started a thread giving your point of view and your experiences as an example

Why should i start a new thread? Why not comment on this one? Deano asked a question, and I responded to it...just because you would rather me not be on this thread, don't make out that my comments aren't relevant to it, and don't try to silence me..it won't work.

And of course you never were told about the negative side of the drugs that you did take, hmmmm, yeah !!!

Actually that is mostly correct...i was not aware and did not see any evidence of cannabis being addictive before i tried it. Also i did not know anyone who habitually took cocaine before i tried that, luckily i did not like cocaine so i did not continue with it...but had i seen people who WERE messed up and addicted to cannabis and cocaine, i would have used my brain and not tried either.
I used speed for a while too, years, almost on a daily basis, and the reason i tried that is because the person who introduced us to that lied and said it is not addictive. And now several of my old friends inject speed and their lives are ruined. Luckily, i never injected anything in my life or i might not be here today.
As for LSD and mushrooms, i had actually heard that you need to be strong minded to handle the bad trips, and being a strong minded person i decided to risk trying them.
I've never had a bad time on acid, and i must've had over 200 over the last 20 years and never had any after-effects..i'm not proud of that fact, and would not encourage anybody to take it...but did it offer me any spiritual advancement? NO..it merely showed me that life is illusion and time does not exist as we know it. It took me out of a spaced out world of cannabis.
MDMA is similar, must have had over 500 in my time, experienced oneness countless times on it...but then a downer for days on end...and back to square one...what's the point?
But, had i seen someone who has been messed up on acid / mushrooms / MDMA (like people have commented on here regarding acid) then i would not have tried that either.
All these drugs were introduced to me after first trying cannabis...and i've seen so many people get into all kinds of drugs because of just 'trying one thing'...whether it is mushrooms, cannabis, speed, lsd, mdma, whatever...the curiousity grows after the first drug, and that's a FACT.
I'm not just some guy who's had a bad time on drugs...i am an experienced ex-user of 20 years with valuable advice for people who are thinking that drugs may in some way make them a more spiritual person....if it does then they're lucky...and if they can stick to using just one drug and not getting addicted then they're even luckier...but from my experiences of people, this doesn't happen.

Why would i lie? What would i gain from lying? Why would i waste my time lying and typing?
I WOULDN'T

What you have totally ignored is the fact that almost every single person that has replied on this thread has already had mushrooms. No one needs you to "save them", they understand what they are doing and realise that it is their choice. Saving people is a christian pastime.

Actually, saving isn't the word...discouraging is more like it...as i have said time and time again, i am presenting my point of view, and defending myself from attacks on here..and my aim is to discourage youngsters who may be reading this, from taking drugs and learning the hard way like i and countless millions of others have done.
I have said my point over and over again, and i would 'leave it at that' but you continue to keep attacking, so i will continue to keep defending myself...

[midwich cuckoo]

Here is a great book on psychedelic plants. You can download it from here


Hallucinogenic Plants - A Golden Guide (http://www.badongo.net/file/2727309)

:)

Thanks for that, I'll check it out tomorrow. :)

[ho1ogram]

G'day deano.

I had fly agaric mushrooms two weeks ago with i am all i am and oneofmany. They are the red ones with white spots on them - amanita muscaria http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml

I had absolutely no ill effects from them whatsoever and neither did the others (correct me if I'm wrong fellas). This experience gave me further proof of the lies of consensus reality. I had always been of the impression that this mushroom was poisonous and it was not. I didn't hallucinate but instead was assisted to cure a long standing (aprox ten years) virus that I had, assisted by the company I was in and the mushrooms.

I chose the outcome, knew the outcome and believed the outcome and thus it was done. Ask and ye shall receive.

Love from ho1ogram - 1 hologram within a larger hologram - peace out brother.

[i am all i am]

Actually. you're wrong.

Have a look below at your words where you keep calling people wrong. It isn't every one that I've gathered, although it is most of them. See if you can find one quote where I say that you are wrong.

WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS (IN OTHER WORDS, RIGHT AND WRONG), YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

You are feeling attacked because you are attempting to make everyone else wrong and yourself right. You are imprisoning yourself within your belief system and therefore feel attacked.

You're making out that I have attacked, when the truth is I have been attacked for putting across my personal knowledge of what mushrooms have done for me (and over 20 + of my friends)...basically nothing.

As I said previously, go back through the thread and show where I have attacked you. Have a look below at the amount of times that you have attacked people verbally, told them what to do and said that they shouldn't be posting their experiences on this forum.

Deano asked if anybody had tried them, and i responded with words to the effect of:-

Re-posted #206....originally posted by Deano as the start of the thread.
Magic mushrooms
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anyone try any?

im interested but its hard now the fascist cocksuckers have made something natural 'illegal'.

i really want to experience some but have no idea where to get them from. i could go searching the fields. are they always there or do you have to go at a specific time in the year?

This is the begining of your reply.....it is the first quote at the bottom....does it answer Deano's question that I've highlighted ? or is it merely you giving your opinion as to what Deano's experience will be ???
Don't waste your time...they'll just make you feel sick...nervous and probably paranoid..."don't bother mate..you'll get more enlightenment out of a benson and hedges"...which was immediately attacked by you and then others...so let's get it right eh...all i have been doing is defending myself and excercising my right to free speech, and to hopefully get across to young readers that drugs are NOT what they're cracked up to be, especially regarding 'spiritual progress' and 'finding ones self'

Show me with what words that I attacked your original post as you claim. If you truly desire to help young people, you say that there are many drug addicts around where you live, do you think it would be more beneficial going out and helping them than hoping that they come to this site and read your posts ??? It is not something that you have to do, it is a question, as you say that you desire to help the young, as to where you focus your energy and time.

Why should i start a new thread? Why not comment on this one? Deano asked a question, and I responded to it...just because you would rather me not be on this thread, don't make out that my comments aren't relevant to it, and don't try to silence me..it won't work.

At no time have I attempted to silence you brother. If you so desire, post away, knock yourself out. I am free of any attachment to you posting or not posting.

Actually that is mostly correct...i was not aware and did not see any evidence of cannabis being addictive before i tried it.

Here is a link with scientific fact showing that amrijuana is not addictive.......
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/private.php?folderid=0&pp=50&page=2

Also i did not know anyone who habitually took cocaine before i tried that, luckily i did not like cocaine so i did not continue with it...but had i seen people who WERE messed up and addicted to cannabis and cocaine, i would have used my brain and not tried either.
I used speed for a while too, years, almost on a daily basis, and the reason i tried that is because the person who introduced us to that lied and said it is not addictive. And now several of my old friends inject speed and their lives are ruined. Luckily, i never injected anything in my life or i might not be here today.
As for LSD and mushrooms, i had actually heard that you need to be strong minded to handle the bad trips, and being a strong minded person i decided to risk trying them.
I've never had a bad time on acid, and i must've had over 200 over the last 20 years and never had any after-effects..i'm not proud of that fact, and would not encourage anybody to take it...but did it offer me any spiritual advancement? NO..it merely showed me that life is illusion and time does not exist as we know it. It took me out of a spaced out world of cannabis.

If you believe that your condition while using cannabis was so bad, and you say that acid "took me out of a spaced out world of cannabis", then this would be an advancement, even if it was minimal, it is still an advancement.

MDMA is similar, must have had over 500 in my time, experienced oneness countless times on it...but then a downer for days on end...and back to square one...what's the point?
But, had i seen someone who has been messed up on acid / mushrooms / MDMA (like people have commented on here regarding acid) then i would not have tried that either.
All these drugs were introduced to me after first trying cannabis...and i've seen so many people get into all kinds of drugs because of just 'trying one thing'...whether it is mushrooms, cannabis, speed, lsd, mdma, whatever...the curiousity grows after the first drug, and that's a FACT.

Not woth me it isn't, and I have friends that what you say would not be considered a fact with them either.

I'm not just some guy who's had a bad time on drugs...i am an experienced ex-user of 20 years with valuable advice for people who are thinking that drugs may in some way make them a more spiritual person....if it does then they're lucky...and if they can stick to using just one drug and not getting addicted then they're even luckier...but from my experiences of people, this doesn't happen.

As Obi-wan says in Star Wars, "In my experience there is no such thing as luck". It is all a matter of choice, and if you lived nearby I could introduce you to people that it has happened for.

Why would i lie? What would i gain from lying? Why would i waste my time lying and typing?
I WOULDN'T

I'll answer these questions one at a time for you.

Because you are seeking attention, because you lie to yourself (as you did for 20 odd years) and it is a habit, because you wish to influence others to your way of thinking. There are many reasons why people lie. You will have to determine this for yourself as you progress along your journey.

As what you give out you get back, you would gain nothing. But this has never stopped people from lying, so you are going to have to determine yourself what it is that you are looking to gain. Whether it be attention, acceptance or whatever other reason, it is something that is a part of your journey.

That can be answered by yourself answering the first two questions.

Look below at what you have written and you will easily see where you have lied. Go within and you will find the answers to each question that you have asked.

Actually, saving isn't the word...

I'm just saving them the trouble

But you did use it more than once. No one, including yourself, requires saving. Support, encouragement, friendship, love, belief, but not saving. Everyone makes their own choices, and as each of us has free will, they are perfectly allowed to choose their own experience, and therefore do not require saving.

....discouraging is more like it...as i have said time and time again, i am presenting my point of view, and defending myself from attacks on here..and my aim is to discourage youngsters who may be reading this, from taking drugs and learning the hard way like i and countless millions of others have done.

And instead of talking to them directly to share your knowledge and experience, here you are talking to me. Do you see now what I mentioned above about where you focus your energy and time ???

I have said my point over and over again, and i would 'leave it at that' but you continue to keep attacking, so i will continue to keep defending myself...

And you offer no proof of me attacking you, even though you say your "point over and over again". Simply have a read of your comments below to see yourself clearly, and if you feel so inclined, go through the thread and gather your proof to back up your point.

Don't waste your time...they'll just make you feel sick...nervous and probably paranoid...you'll get more enlightenment out of a benson and hedges mate.

Is this forum for educating and enlightening people, or is it a place to talk about drugs?
Think about the kids that read it.

So you should know better than to promote them on forums like this.

Maybe if i hadn't had first hand experience of the horrors of drug addiction, and numerous bad trips myself, and seen numerous ex-friends have them, then i wouldn't care....but i have...so i do care...
Mushrooms show you that life is illusion...wow...we know that without taking them....
The paraoia and the sense of lostness isn't good..at all.

I'm 37 soon...i started smoking weed at 16...and taking mushrooms at 17..i know the difference between fly agaric (amanita muscaria) and libery caps (psylocibin)
Namely, one is a massive red and white thing(fly agaric) and the others are exactly what is on the picture on the previous page.
There is not much at all that anyone on this forum can say to me about drugs that i already know, and have known for almost 20 years, so please don't insult my intelligence.
If you people want to believe that mushrooms (and other drugs) are great and will help you on your spiritual journey, more fool you !

And if people want to twist the facts about heroin and cocaine being un-natural, then fair enough, believe that.
The facts are:- coca leaves are natural, and so are white opium poppies..does that make them positive?

"If they're not bad, why not start a thread about heroin and crack cocaine? After all, they're naturally-derived too."
Like i said, they're BOTH naturally-derived...not much alteration at all...
Heroin and cocaine are virtually the same as the plants they come from....you can use the "altered by man" line all day long...it doesn't alter the evilness of the drugs though does it.

Yip Man eh...what a guy....i wonder where the human race would be if we all smoked opium every day.
Never mind, drug users like to live in denial...i know that from personal experience...I'm glad i don't touch drugs any more anyway

Plus peer pressure, people saying 'it's safe...it doesn't make you want to try other things' which it does.
Read the post, and don't twist things...i said PLUS peer pressure...it is a contributory factor to MOST drug use and addictions.

I would hazard a guess that you smoke cannabis yourself....it has the tendancy to make the user attempt to disregard facts and twist truths....not good really is it....i know from personal experience...self delusion is never the answer.
The fact is, drugs 'shelve' people's problems, and temporarily take people out of this 'reality' and out of their 'mind'...but we all have to come down and face reality again...and cannabis smokers know only too well that the world seems so much shitter when they're not stoned...until they have the next joint.
Is that something to encourage others to do, or brag about?
No.
This forum seems to have a large number of cannabis smokers and drug takers, each to their own i say, but what relevance it has to the forum by making out drugs are something new/fashionable, or even positive, is beyond me.
Been there....done it....managed to escape it...

Nothing changes here really does it...!
The smokers keep smoking and deluding themselves...and standing up for the so-called positive effects of drugs...yet underneath they know its all a waste of time....
I do feel sorry for drug addicts...as for having my own agenda..ahha..talk about trying to twist things...!
I do hope young kids dont read the bullshit about drugs on here...if they do, and decide to get into drugs, then at least it's not because of anything I've said anyway...my conscience is clear.

Guilt trip ? Nope...presenting facts....yep

Most except heroin yes. And everyone i've had is bad

We've only got your word on that, which frankly means nothing to me

Total crap !

Hypocrisy!

Even the most retarded of people can see that drugs are merely a temporary release for the weaker minded...

Ridiculous !

Sounds very cold-hearted to me, but, i guess some people don't have a heart

your comments mean nothing

You're about as witty as george w bush.
ha....ha....ha....

I say you are oneofmany users who refuse to admit that you're hooked !

And no, you're wrong, yet again.

Wrong...

Actually. you're wrong.

Actually, no, you're wrong.
Am i right...or am i wrong....

Once again...you've made me look like such a loser..oh dear..i had a beer about 3 weeks back now...and a headache the other day..tut tut..i better watch out eh.

The only sermons I can see on here are the ones from drug users...making themselves feel better about being in the wrong..self denial.

Get real..i know more about drugs than most people on here put together
I cant be arsed replying to any more of these pathetic excuses to take drugs...you guys carry on !
Good luck to you

ignore the people who say drugs are ok...they're not

It's NOT whether you have an addictive personality or not...drugs can make you have an addictive personality...they make you feel better...they delude your mind...that in itself is addictive...wanting to be in that state again and again...it isn't good for the soul...it is damaging to it.

Unfortunately, the truth is, drugs make you think that things are actually better than what they really are...

Why would i lie? What would i gain from lying? Why would i waste my time lying and typing?
I WOULDN'T

But no, i do not take drugs now,
I am WIDE awake thanks..i don't use drugs anymore

But no, i do not take drugs now, so therefore, what relevance does the link to an 'addictive personality' thread have whatsoever?...
None..

...I'm glad i don't touch drugs any more anyway.

"It's simple...all drugs are bad...."

It's just a painkiller...like i said...if you have a strong enough mind, you don't need drugs for any purpose whatsoever.

...so i use paracetomol

Pain killers ...yes...i take them whenever i have pain...whats wrong with that?..
No i hardly drink at all..

It's just a painkiller...like i said...if you have a strong enough mind, you don't need drugs for any purpose whatsoever.

I'm just saving them the trouble.

(why do i feel i keep having to keep repeating myself over and over again...are people that retarded?)


With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

G'day deano.

I had fly agaric mushrooms two weeks ago with i am all i am and oneofmany. They are the red ones with white spots on them - amanita muscaria http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml

I had absolutely no ill effects from them whatsoever and neither did the others (correct me if I'm wrong fellas). This experience gave me further proof of the lies of consensus reality. I had always been of the impression that this mushroom was poisonous and it was not. I didn't hallucinate but instead was assisted to cure a long standing (aprox ten years) virus that I had, assisted by the company I was in and the mushrooms.

I chose the outcome, knew the outcome and believed the outcome and thus it was done. Ask and ye shall receive.

Love from ho1ogram - 1 hologram within a larger hologram - peace out brother.

G'day Ho1ogram.

Great to have you back posting brother.

As my belief is all is possible, and therefore there is no right or wrong, I will merely say that from my own personal experience, there is no correction necessary. I had no ill effects at all and enjoyed the experience and enjoyed yours, Oneofmany's, Raphael's and Mandy's company throughout the time we were together. Thank you for being a part of the shared experience brother.

With LOVE.

[daylenmichael]

This is amazing. Everyone...Lay off 2012 or whatever his name is. He is entitled to his opinion. If he believes drugs are bad be they natural or man made then he is totally allowed that opinion. He can profess that mushrooms are evil and grass is the devils toilet paper if he wants...It doesn't change the truth about them. Nothing alters the truth. That is why the truth is the truth. Unfortunatly down here in 3D reality truth is subjective and not universal. So for him mushrooms are REALLY REALLY REALLY EVIL! But I say to anyone who is considering taking them or considering smoking grass for the first time to try it. You are not going to die. You are going to get high as a kite and maybe have a bad trip but probably not. Chances are you will look at life from a totally different perspective from that day forward. Yes, you may get curious to try more drugs. Does that mean you need to. I would recommend staying away from man made powders. They carry little enlightening capabilities if any, but for anyone to say that the natural entheogens and psychotropic substances that appear on this planet don't have any enlightening effect is an absolute untruth (at least in my subjective view of 3D). Remember however, truth in 3D is subjective because none of it is actually "Real." The nature of illusions is that they will pass away into nothingness and the only real truth behind them is that they are all unreal. That is the reason that you dont want to disregard all of the other so called responsiblities that we all carry in 3D for constant drug use. Family, friends, jobs, financial burdens, these can all become destitute if we allow ourselves to become too driven by the next time we can get high on our drug of choice. Not the least of which can take on the illusion of alcohol and making money. We have all heard of the person who spends his entire life making money and disregarding his family only to end up having kids that hate him a wife that divorces him to fuck the pool boy and a ferrari in the driveway. (Hope the ferrari learns to Love but probably not)

To all the kids reading this forum. Balance in your life is the key. Balance your substance use with other responsibilites. Balance your love of money (if you have one) with the love you make with other people. BTW, to children, I would really love it if you at least waited until you were 18 to do anything chemically, but it's your life. That includes drinking and smoking cigarettes.

Oh and btw, to 2012...I spent the greater part of the last 5 years smoking grass every day and to my dismay it became somewhat of a dilemma in my life. I was doing exactly that which I have stated people should not do. I was disregarding eveything else. It became depressing and unrewarding. So, I decided to quit for a year. I am just past 8 months and have decided that when the year is over I will use it again (Hopefully with a little more discretion). Life is more fun when you can smoke pot. It is the only substance that allows me to meditate my way into the Light inside (where all illusions fade and we are left simply with what is real "Universal Truth") 2012 If you truly are capable of going into the Light without any aid from natural intoxicants then I am truly green with envy becuase I have not been able to do that since I was 3 years old.

Also, to anyone who says drugs are bad and has the nerve to do so on this forum, I suggest that you do a little more research into how David Icke became Enlightened. Does the word Ahuyasca ring any bells for you?

Final thought from someone who achieved Enlightenment with simple marijuana use; Try drugs, if you like them then use them responsibly. If you don't like them then don't use them but act responsibly. By this I mean to say that none of this 3D world is real, including our physical bodies and our opinions/actions, so why do you care what other people do for fun/enlightenment/self degredation.

I think that Jesus said it best in Matthew 15:11 "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."


Peace, Love, and Light

Daylen Michael

[oneofmany]

Why would i lie? What would i gain from lying? Why would i waste my time lying and typing?
I WOULDN'T This is basically what you accused me of doing, I say the same thing to you.

[oneofmany]

G'day deano.

I had fly agaric mushrooms two weeks ago with i am all i am and oneofmany. They are the red ones with white spots on them - amanita muscaria http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml

I had absolutely no ill effects from them whatsoever and neither did the others (correct me if I'm wrong fellas). This experience gave me further proof of the lies of consensus reality. I had always been of the impression that this mushroom was poisonous and it was not. I didn't hallucinate but instead was assisted to cure a long standing (aprox ten years) virus that I had, assisted by the company I was in and the mushrooms.

I chose the outcome, knew the outcome and believed the outcome and thus it was done. Ask and ye shall receive.

Love from ho1ogram - 1 hologram within a larger hologram - peace out brother.
I saw the world in a clearer prospective, and Immediately understood at a fundamental level what we were discussing. Clear minded is how it made me feel. The highlighted phrase was also my experience, I wanted to understand, I believed, and it happened.

[oneofmany]

G'day Ho1ogram.

Great to have you back posting brother.

As my belief is all is possible, and therefore there is no right or wrong, I will merely say that from my own personal experience, there is no correction necessary. I had no ill effects at all and enjoyed the experience and enjoyed yours, Oneofmany's, Raphael's and Mandy's company throughout the time we were together. Thank you for being a part of the shared experience brother.

With LOVE.And I enjoyed sharing time with all of you, and the experience changed my life for the better. Thank you guys :)

[i am all i am]

And I enjoyed sharing time with all of you, and the experience changed my life for the better. Thank you guys :)

You are welcome brother, and thank you for a wonderful experience.

And everyone can see part of the view in your avatar.

I've just found some pics but they are copyrighted, so I'll give the link for anyone that would like to see.........

http://www.bluemountainsphotos.com/bmp/areaindex.htm

http://www.webtravel.com.au/nsw/blu_mnts/images/wntwfall.jpghttp://www.webtravel.com.au/nsw/blu_mnts/images/gvtsleap.jpghttp://www.webtravel.com.au/nsw/blu_mnts/images/3sisters.jpg

From left to right....Wentworth falls............Govett's Leap.............................................. ..........and the Three Sisters


http://www.fallsmountainretreat.com.au/images/Look.jpg


Spectacular scenic lookouts
There are over a dozen unique lookouts in this one area of Wentworth Falls alone. Every one has its own unique character and breathtaking vista, whether it's waterfalls, rugged cliff faces or views that stretch seemingly forever into the blue. Make sure the camera is fully charged!


Well I obviously found some photos....and we stayed in the cave overnight where I had the 5 day, 1,300 shroom experience, and it is at the top and on the edge off a cliff giving a full panoramic view. Mmmmmmm...getting high in the mountains.

With LOVE.

[ho1ogram]

No worries i and one.
I had fun.

It wasn't the mind blowing extravaganza I was expecting
but subtle yet profound reflecting.

It's raining here now and when
Gold Tops grow I'm gonna eat them then.

The quantum doorway isn't locked
one key is growing in cow plop.

[ho1ogram]

Yeah man, it's great up there, I didn't want to leave, I stayed on another week to suck in the Blue Mountain chi.. slept under a rock shelter for three nights, swam in and drank mountain water... whooooo If anyone wants to clear the head and soul then head for the hills, mushy's or no mushy's, it's real living, yeah baby, yeah. Choose health.

I know how you could live there for a year without a 'house' iaaia ... it's a powerful place. Down here we have Gariwerd (the Grampians) and that's where I'm off to next.

Good times bro, thank you.

[auron]

I know how you could live there for a year without a 'house'

Wow! Tell us more man :)

[cn4m]

okay, at first i thought this forum was a place where there wasnt the usual forum beef and ongoing closed-minded conversations, guess i was wrong. and i mean no offense i just think that all this arguing is stupid. someone says drugs are bad, but that they were misinformed, and thats why they did a bunch. ultimately, they did not research them as well as they could have, but believed whoever told the what they were told. so again, user makes the ultimate decision. and peer pressure is a factor, i agree. i personally swore off mushrooms cuz i thought i would go insane if i ever did them again. but i have also had some of the best times of my life on them. so muc laughing so happy, and i felt great the next day. so, its all about the state of mind when you take them, and, as with anything that could potentially have adverse affects, should be investigated thouroghly from a neutral perspective and through factual evidence so as to gain a better knowledge of what might happen, and be more capable of making a right decision. so i say to each his own, make your OWN decisions, dont let any one opinion define yours.

[ho1ogram]

Wow! Tell us more man :)

i am all i am lived in the hills for near a year, I was referring to his experience. I spent last week on a cliff top sleeping under a north facing rock shelter and a few days camped out in a valley. There is a million hectares there, plenty of water and an awesome organic co op at the town of Katoomba.

When I was there I was sussing out how to live there. There are caves a plenty, all you need is blankeys and to be in hiking distance of the co op. I am sure there are people living there, its a millilon hectares of wilderness. I didn't have an esky or anything and food kept fine... iaaia could fill you in on his experience in a couple of parks there.

No shit, the energy there is fantastic, I would have no problems living there. People have lived in the high country of Victoria in abandoned huts, (probably still do) and it gets a lot colder than NSW... so, you planning on coming over here? It's a big country, plenty of room. In the hills you only need a little bit of dosh for food, no need to pay electricity, gas or phone bills, no rent or mortgage or rates... so when are you coming?

[21_12_2012]

And you offer no proof of me attacking you, even though you say your "point over and over again"...... go through the thread and gather your proof to back up your point.

If you were "enlightened", you would allow others to talk about whatever they so desire, without attempting to lay a guilt trip on them with the "Think about the kids that read it." line. - Stating a fact...no guilt trip involved...it's just you turning it round to insult me.

You are avoiding your own responsibility for drug abuse. - presuming...insulting.

Hahahahahahaha. Another attempted guilt trip. Hehehehehehehe - speaks for itself.

As I said, YOU are avoiding responsibility for your actions and attempting to blame an outside source, namely drugs and other people. - presuming again...insulting.

"...you'll get more enlightenment out of a benson and hedges mate."

Maybe you do and maybe you don't, but you definitely promote them, as the above quote from your first post on this thread shows - turning it round.

"Read the post, and don't twist things...i said PLUS peer pressure...it is a contributory factor to MOST drug use and addictions."
Maybe it is you that should "read the post". YOU are avoiding responsibility for YOUR choices. YOU decided, YOU chose. Did the drugs run up your legs, force your mouth open, jump inside and make you swallow them ??? - attempt at sarcasm, and total disregard of the facts that most addiction is caused by peer pressure, as i stated.

"Been there....done it....managed to escape it..."
You haven't escaped it. You've merely changed the drug that you are addicted to for another. - insult..meaningless.

And yet he say that he cares. - insult...if i didn't care i wouldnt post my points of view about the dangers.

Maybe he forgot to add that he only cares about his own agenda. - insult..i have no agenda..i am stating the dangers of drugs to kids who may be reading.

You are 100% correct that nothing changes....you are still attempting to play the guilt trip - 3rd time you've insulted with this..there is no guilt trip..merely stating facts about kids reading this thread.

It's because he "abused it" and didn't "use it". A self confessed addict/abuser that cannot see that any form of abuse is a lack of self-worth/self-love, and a choice that he made all by himself. - insult...presuming things about me and my past drug use.

So confident that you bowed to peer group pressure and couldn't say "no". - insult.. twisting truth..i said peer pressure is a contibutory factor....you twisted it.

I have no income and therefore no money otherwise you could hook me up. - insult...as if i would touch drugs again...i know the truth about them.

It's easy to understand where you're coming from.....you are anti-drugs and your agenda is to attempt to stop everyone from using their free will to decide for themselves about whether or not they would like to put a substance within their own body. - insult...twisting truth again..for the millionth time "i am merely stating facts regarding the dangers of drugs to any kids that may be reading this"..how many more times will you ignore that?

Here is a link for you called 'Addictive Personality'.... - insult..i would still be on drugs if i had an addictive personality..but i'm not..as i have stated time and time again.

"But no, i do not take drugs now, so therefore, what relevance does the link to an 'addictive personality' thread have whatsoever?..."
If you actually read it you can find out for yourself.....or do you prefer to be spoon fed ??? - insult

Here comes the Crusader - insult

Nah, he's writing a new sermon. - insult

I was close Pollock.....it's the same sermon that he posted previously. - insult

So, you've never attacked me or insulted me have you not?

[auron]

Amazing! Just the kind of thing i'd love to do! :)

so when are you coming?

I need to get some kind of job sorted out, so i can save up some cash. I've never been to another country before, and i have always wanted to go some place where i don't have to worry about bills and stuff like that. It would also be a great opportunity to advance spiritually, because city life here is totally moronic. Hopefully i'd love to go in about a years time, once iv'e got everything sorted out.

Auron :)

[21_12_2012]

You are feeling attacked because you are attempting to make everyone else wrong and yourself right. You are imprisoning yourself within your belief system and therefore feel attacked.

How many more times...I am not making anyone wrong or right.
I will write it in bold letters this time...."I am merely stating the facts regarding the dangers of drug use, for kids that may be reading this thread"

Here is a link with scientific fact showing that amrijuana is not addictive

Science eh...you mean the same science that's telling us about global warming..the science we are taught at school...oh right..that science...ok...so if science says something, it's true....and the hundreds of people i have known who were, and still are addicted to cannabis, they're all liars are they?
In fact, i do not know of ONE SINGLE CANNABIS SMOKER who has given up, apart from myself....
So much for science eh !

All these drugs were introduced to me after first trying cannabis...and i've seen so many people get into all kinds of drugs because of just 'trying one thing'...whether it is mushrooms, cannabis, speed, lsd, mdma, whatever...the curiousity grows after the first drug, and that's a FACT.

Not woth me it isn't, and I have friends that what you say would not be considered a fact with them either

So you're seriously expecting me to believe that you did not try one drug which led you on to try others...what you're saying is that the FIRST TIME you EVER took ANY FORM of drug, you took loads of different kinds all at once first time ever.....???
I can smell something.
And you're also telling me that that's the case with your friends as well?

Now that must be the biggest insult to my intelligence on the whole thread.

Because you are seeking attention, because you lie to yourself (as you did for 20 odd years) and it is a habit, because you wish to influence others to your way of thinking. There are many reasons why people lie. You will have to determine this for yourself as you progress along your journey.
Now that has to be the worst attempt at twisting things i ever saw!
Influence others into my way of thinking?....for the 1 millionth and 3rd time:- "i am merely stating facts about the dangers of drug use..for kids that may be reading this thread"....Aren't you tired of trying of hearing this fact by now?

Calling me a liar doesn't bother me one bit, because i know I'm not...but i do know how drug-users minds operate, and how they twist the truth...

As what you give out you get back, you would gain nothing. But this has never stopped people from lying, so you are going to have to determine yourself what it is that you are looking to gain. Whether it be attention, acceptance or whatever other reason, it is something that is a part of your journey.
Laughable..i seek no attention, unlike you who posts all day and night on here...i actually have a life outside the internet, and i do not need to seek any form of acceptance....why do you think i would write what i write on here if i seek acceptence? Knowing that people will not want to hear what i write? Hardly a form of attention seeking is it..
I'll state again why i am writing on here:- "merely stating facts about the dangers of drug use in case any kids are reading the forum"
But if you still do not understand this, I'm sure i can post it again, for the 1 million and 5th time for you....it's not a problem.

[peter19]

a good book for uk people if your intrested to pick your own. i scanned it and am not so good on a computor so if you want to download it you will have to download it page by page . if you download it and know how to put the pictures on here aswell then do that. cheers.

a guide to british psilocybin mushrooms - richard cooper.jpg
front cover http://www.sendspace.com/file/dkfvef

contexts , intro.jpg
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6x583b

page 6 and 7.jpg
http://www.sendspace.com/file/xae8u6

page 8 and 9
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lhkrxu

p10 p11.jpg
http://www.sendspace.com/file/dpre8s

p12 p13.jpg
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http://www.sendspace.com/file/rm8rch

p14 p15.jpg
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jj5oai

p16 p17
http://www.sendspace.com/file/llo2ey

p18 p19
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lawsva

p20 p21
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ecgmd4

p22 p23
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f7zv11

p24 p25
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3ak63x

p26 p27
http://www.sendspace.com/file/5dx6hs

effects spore printing and cultivation p28 p29.jpg
http://www.sendspace.com/file/5p2x5y

p30 p31
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4yfszv

p32 p33
http://www.sendspace.com/file/v1uupy

chemisty and dosage.jpg
http://www.sendspace.com/file/9muc4i

history, identification.jpg
http://www.sendspace.com/file/c79c8o

i think thats all of them lol. so if you want to download the book youll have to download page by page because i didnt know how to put it all toghether. its a decent identification book if your planning on going out to pick some, and it has pictures what they look like and the colour, cap size ect.

if someone can tell me how to post pictures from my documents then i might be able to do that and the pages could go onto this thread. hope they work allright :) .

[auron]

More essential reading material! :)

Terence McKenna - Food of the Gods (http://www.badongo.com/file/2747872)

[i am all i am]

G'day Peter19.

www.imageshack.us - browse for the picture that you would like posted, double-click on it and host it (resize to whatever size you desire; I usually use 15 inch monitor size). When it is hosted, go to the bottom URL and highlight it and copy. Go to the reply screen and click the yellow button that has what looks like a mountain in it, delete the http:// from the box and paste your URL and click O.K. and bingo, all sorted.

If you have any other questions, PM me and I will do what I can to help you out.

With LOVE.

[peter19]

thanks mate, ill give it a go.

[mada88]

Theres a primary school near me that has 3 big mushroom statues! and guess what type? lol I'll try to get some pics of them they are quite funny. Though its a bit dodgy taking photos of a primary school lol.

About taking shrooms I got some of the ones you got off the interent. The dried ones I took em a while back. They where shit nothing at all happened :( I then took some of the mushroom pills, they are good you trip with them.

I'm gunna go to holland to buy some and I might smuggle some back!

[mada88]

Could people please post pics of some magics and links to pics of them?

[tommi]

I'm gunna go to holland to buy some and I might smuggle some back!

Don't bother mate, just go to Devon there's plenty of places there :D

[auron]

Could people please post pics of some magics and links to pics of them?

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_images.shtml

A wealth of information about mushrooms on this website :)

[phoenix1]

I agree, when I had those 30 mushrooms, I boiled them up and tripped hard. My friend had about 20 from the same stock and just ate them with chips, they were semi dry, nothing happened to him. I've had small doses and I've had large doses, they were all the same, appart from that one time; if it works it works I find, and if it doesn't then it doesn't work at all.

I've only had golden tops, how would you say liberty caps compare?

Hi FT dunno haw Golden Tops compare with Liberty Caps since i've had no GTs,

Yeah like a dose is a dose and around 25-30 Libs you will fly well.When you boil them thy are better I find, althiugh I don't do then these days I used to do anything from 30- 500 and more, especially at hippy parties in North Wales (hippy biker type lol)
No once the gland is bypasses and the sentry in the Brain is diverted by the Psilocybin,,,the trip is there.

Dosage makes no difference to me anyway...just gotta take enoughm maybe your mate was just a few short too proove effective, but not by many.:) :)

All the Good things

Phoenix1:)

[i am all i am]

thanks mate, ill give it a go.

You're welcome Peter.

The pic's are looking great.

Well done.


With LOVE.

[mada88]

Don't bother mate, just go to Devon there's plenty of places there :D

cool devon, I know a mate who goes there! It would be cheaper than holland. Do they sell exotic shrooms? lol

[peter19]

last one 32 33. :) so if you cant read them too good now you could just go to my send space posts and the page youd like to look at in closer detail and download it. or if they run out message me with what pages you want and ill put them on sendspace again. hope it helps, ill be honest though iv got that book and still picked the wrong ones i think :D