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december

22-04-2007, 07:12 PM

Hello, people.

If you have a plan or ideas - let's see it.
Let's see if it can work...

This is serious discussion. So, no spam and dull statements, please.

turquoisefyre

22-04-2007, 07:23 PM

if you don't go within, you go without. or so is the saying i got from the CWG series.

the hardest thing is to change/better youreslf first. but the NWO/Iluminati has to be defeated, period. "They" were the ones who started the "us" against / or "terrorists" scenario. we will either come out on top, or "they" will. there is no inbetween. "inbetween" means the game is already lost, imo.

i'll steal deca's phrase by saying, "reverse the fear" in youreself and try to awaken others. tell as many as you know with what you have (internet/dvd/books etc). thus you plant the seeds of your own freedom.

and what you sow, you shall reap. or the another saying goes.

edelweiss pirate

22-04-2007, 07:24 PM

You must know your enemy. Know how they operate, know their agenda and know their weaknessess.

I guess since the monster has so many faces so there are many ways to fight it...

I have most experience of the etheric and occult nature of the beast therefore this is the weapon I use...

I know that I have an ability to control reality therefore I use this to try to thwart their plans... I just push against what I feel to be their agenda.

Still trying to hold off the Iran war... I'm not the only one but if more people suspected that their thoughts had more power then they thought things would change in a hot minute...

These guys have spent thousands of years convincing us we are powerless and punishing us when we try to realise our power...

Their greatest strength is belief in our own weakness....

king

22-04-2007, 07:27 PM

december

22-04-2007, 07:43 PM

....."reverse the fear" in youreself and try to awaken others. tell as many as you know with what you have (internet/dvd/books etc). thus you plant the seeds of your own freedom.

OK, turquoisefyre.

But how many people ALREADY know what's going on?
How many people did read Icke and Jim Marrs books and visit this site or rense.com?
Hundreds? Tens of thousands?...

Well, I remember back 5 - 6 years ago (before 911) there were claims on this site about MILLIONS of hits in one month.

And?...

Did anything change?

No. Things actually got worse.

You see, turquoisefyre, to turn things around you don't need HUGE crowd of people. All we need is a knowledge of WHERE to strike.

king

22-04-2007, 07:47 PM

to turn things around you don't need HUGE crowd of people. [B]All we need is a knowledge of WHERE to strike.

say what?
strike with what? and how would you strike?

chinchilla

22-04-2007, 07:50 PM

To be honest I've never ever decided about "defeating" the Illuminati or not. I'm just simply drifting along improving my self with knowledge of the Illuminati etc and giving that knowledge to others.

I think if non-Illuminati were to defeat the Illuminati you would need to make another Illuminati incorporated structure to make sure the original Illuminati doesn't arise again, making people who defeat them in sense the Illuminati.

Just the way I think about it; I don't support the Illuminati but I suppose their doing a better job than another bunch of people may have done. It could be worse, the fact I can tell you this, proves it.

tinmenace

22-04-2007, 07:57 PM

Hello, people.

If you have a plan or ideas - let's see it.
Let's see if it can work...

This is serious discussion. So, no spam and dull statements, please.

You first.

december

22-04-2007, 07:59 PM

say what?
strike with what? and how would you strike?

Hello, King.

Well, first we need to find out what can bring them down.
We need to know their weakness and then select a tool.

december

22-04-2007, 08:10 PM

You must know your enemy. Know how they operate, know their agenda and know their weaknessess....

Hello, edelweiss pirate.

You are absolutely correct.

Yes, we need to know their weaknessess and strike right there.
And I also have a question for you - what exactly makes them strong and be in control of the situation for so many years?

And one more thing, we also have to figure out WHAT EXACTLY is the Illuminati?

(In case you wonder - I did read most of David Icke books.)

i am all i am

22-04-2007, 08:18 PM

Hello, people.

If you have a plan or ideas - let's see it.
Let's see if it can work...

This is serious discussion. So, no spam and dull statements, please.

This is easy....don't fight.

Peace for peace is the answer.

With LOVE.

THE SOURCE

A HEALING LIGHT,
CLEAN AND PURE,
TO WIN THE FIGHT,
LOVE IS THE CURE.

OUT WITH THE OLD,
AND IN WITH THE NEW,
AN IDEA TO HOLD,
TO YOURSELF BE TRUE.

HAVE NO FEAR,
AND YOU WILL SEE,
A LOVE SO CLEAR,
IT'S DIVINITY.

LOVE IS THE SOURCE,
OF LIFE EVERYWHERE,
HEAR THE DISCOURSE,
TO KNOW THAT I CARE.

turquoisefyre

22-04-2007, 08:21 PM

Hello, King.

Well, first we need to find out what can bring them down.
We need to know their weakness and then select a tool.

thanks Kings, for the kind words.

hehe, December, your right, I was going to add on that there is a "2 Mlilimeter Rule", they don't bomb us directly, they do it in other ways. they pioson our water, and our air, and our food, all incrementally...little by little.
i've heard a story of a plastic surgeon that has developed a mathimatical format on the human face, that, if he only make 2mm adjustements here and there, without plastic surgery whatsoever, the individual looked literally YEARS younger.

remember the "2 mm Rule" small things wil in the end have huge impacts, but it's up to the person to carry out their own plan. this "awakening" business is no easy thing to go throgh, as "they" are always on our cases, stunting us, or trying to.

i've so far only gotten in the face of my family and friends with dvd's i get off ebay. it's frustrating. but i think that altemately you really have to end up keeping the focus on yourself, you know, keep yourself going first, because the blind cannot lead the blind. if all goes to hell, you'd have developed enough to have ended up, well, where you were meant to end up, and that is where you set the target. you either follow your own plans, or you follow someone(thing?) else's.

and I say "their" biggest weakness is you, the person who doesn't fall and follow their evil ways.

I truly believe the Illuminati/NWO's demonic ingenious is only going to be outmatched by their own utter stupidity...

no body can do everything, but everybody can do something...

pollock

22-04-2007, 08:38 PM

Well, for me it is not posting adds for obscure billionaires that are going to mars or the moon or whatever from some northern part of this planet called earth (sorry couldnt help the dull statement)!
I am with I am all I am on this one, history is full of dead knights in shining armour who valiantly rode out too slay the dragon, only to be burned up or become slaves to that witch they tried to fight.
If the history of mankind can teach us anything consistently, it is that fighting has only ever led to more fighting and hate becomes stronger by being fueled!
In my oppinion love and peace are the only weapons with witch to win this struggle, and compassion is our shield!
Well, go on then call me naive and full of sentimental crap and then give me proof that love is not the way and that fighting waring and striking hard is!

F

Ok having said that I must add that I too believe it is vital we know how and who to (strike) love!
I mean I don't believe sending all our love towards gwb will do anything other than drain our energies and in this I agree we need to educate ourself so we know our enemy and we need to spiritually get past our urge to fight and argue witch is also hard work (or can be) and learn to ignore our egos call for revenge because that just gives them all the power!

i am all i am

22-04-2007, 08:55 PM

Well, for me it is not posting adds for obscure billionaires that are going to mars or the moon or whatever from some northern part of this planet called earth (sorry couldnt help the dull statement)!
I am with I am all I am on this one, history is full of dead knights in shining armour who valiantly rode out too slay the dragon, only to be burned up or become slaves to that witch they tried to fight.
If the history of mankind can teach us anything consistently, it is that fighting has only ever led to more fighting and hate becomes stronger by being fueled!
In my oppinion love and peace are the only weapons with witch to win this struggle, and compassion is our shield!
Well, go on then call me naive and full of sentimental crap and then give me proof that love is not the way and that fighting waring and striking hard is!

F

Thanks Pollock for your support.

I've thought about this. To win is to not lose, and the easiest way to not lose a fight, is to not fight, and therefore you win. Simple, huh.

With LOVE.

seanx

22-04-2007, 09:02 PM

How to defeat them? We are them.

king

22-04-2007, 09:05 PM

Hello, King.

Well, first we need to find out what can bring them down.
We need to know their weakness and then select a tool.

and what is their weakness and what is our tool?

i am all i am

22-04-2007, 09:09 PM

How to defeat them? We are them.

G'day Seanx.

Exactly.

We are all one, so who are you going to defeat. If you fight you will only be defeating yourself.

With LOVE.

2013

22-04-2007, 09:26 PM

G'day Seanx.

Exactly.

We are all one, so who are you going to defeat. If you fight you will only be defeating yourself.

With LOVE.

Exactly they are only our own fears hopes etc magnified a thousand times As above so below the land is the king and the king is the land ,we all want to keep and protect what is ours its a basic survival principle until we rise above it and learn a new way of being , human beings becoming something more . :D

seanx

22-04-2007, 09:48 PM

2013

Exactly they are only our own fears hopes etc magnified a thousand times As above so below the land is the king and the king is the land ,we all want to keep and protect what is ours its a basic survival principle until we rise above it and learn a new way of being , human beings becoming something more

Exactly.

They are all our inner fears, hates, prejudices and feelings
of self-worthlessness and powelessness etc 'magnified
a thousand times'
.
If we all took responsibility for own own field of consciousness
FIRST before lecturing and demanding other people to change - then
we'd make instant progress.

But I think we're too obsessed with trying to change or defeat other
people.

Change our consciousness first and then the right plans, stratergies
and structures to accomodate this new consciousness will automatically
emerge.

azure

22-04-2007, 09:49 PM

seanx

22-04-2007, 09:50 PM

I mean we have tried everything else.

i am all i am

22-04-2007, 09:55 PM

pollock

22-04-2007, 09:55 PM

Sorry kids. A lovey-dovey attitude and vague pseudo-philosophy is not going to magically make them disappear.

Let's come back to reality and practicality for a moment here. It does start with yourself -- reach for your potential, become a powerful human being. I recommend things like:

Physically -- fasting, nutrition, fitness
Mentally -- NLP/hypnosis
Spiritually -- energy work, astral projection, lucid dreaming, remote viewing, etc
Skills -- wilderness survival, marksmanship and the tactical use of firearms, etc

Work on yourself. Group with others who also do the same. Prepare.

Read the Art of War. Gather intelligence.

When the time is right, we make our move. There's not much time left.

Yes but you see, I do these things too, I dont just sit around at home meditating about love (although I do that too). I also prepare myself for what is coming physically and spiritually (alone and with others), but I do not do this in order to fight a war, for as I said I don't believe fighting will lead to victory, but to defend myself and those who I can!

F

seanx

22-04-2007, 10:13 PM

azure wrote:

When the time is right, we make our move. There's not much time left.

This is pure matrix fear-based thinking. 'There is not much time left'.

I was reading a history book recently about the Middle Ages - and they
too were also convinced that 'time is running out....the end is near'

Every historical period believed the same thing.

This kind of thinking keeps us all in their vibration of terror and fear.

It keeps running around like scared chickens, all the time spending
our energies 'fighting' this enemy...because there is little
time left.

And then our lives are gone.

Yes, the so-called illuminati does exist ..and they are gaining power...
because our fear and terror is nourishing them.

let's see through their lies. As I am all I am says: 'Time is infinite
and so am I, and you are as well Azure'.

We have all the time in the world.

ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD.

when you realize that- REALLY know that- feel the difference
it makes in your body - see how your energy changes -
and now the illuminati have one less power source available
to them.

They are F****ed.

azure

22-04-2007, 11:06 PM

i am all i am

22-04-2007, 11:13 PM

That's all a nice bunch of fluffy philosophizin', but absolutely useless as far as practical, specific, sensory-based information goes.

It's all well and good to learn to put yourself into a positive, resoureceful state of consciousness and to spread that around, but you also have to acknowledge what's going on outside of you and to plan accordingly.

After all, there are some things that are worth being afraid of. All states are useful in some context, including fear.

Maybe you are missing some "sensory-based information" and this is why you are "being afraid".

False
Evidence
Appearing
Real

Maybe the False Evidence Appearing Real has been the "sensory-based information" that has caused you "being afraid".

Once again, who is "them" that you will be fighting ?

With LOVE.

seanx

22-04-2007, 11:14 PM

But they have you terrorized.

They have you vibrating at the level they want. This state is their food.

You're going around.....

Skills -- wilderness survival, marksmanship and the tactical use of firearms, etc.....

When the time is right, we make our move. There's not much time left.

This fear is what they breed on. That's why they perform all
these terrible rituals - to generate fresh currents of it.

We need to break out of that vibration before we can plan
intelligent action.

Of course action is required...but it must be right action not
fear or terror-driven reaction.

That keeps us in their vibrational field...still feeding them

azure

22-04-2007, 11:50 PM

Maybe the False Evidence Appearing Real has been the "sensory-based information" that has caused you "being afraid".

Uh, there's nothing "False" about the "Evidence" pertaining to their plans and where they're headed.

Once again, who is "them" that you will be fighting ?

That's impossible to say specifically as it depends entirely on how things play out.

But they have you terrorized.

They have you passive and docile.

This fear is what they breed on. That's why they perform all
these terrible rituals - to generate fresh currents of it.

This apathy is what they breed on. That's why they propogate all these twisted philosophies - to have you off in la-la land while they do as they please out here in the real world.

We need to break out of that vibration before we can plan
intelligent action.

Of course action is required...but it must be right action not
fear or terror-driven reaction.

Absolutely. Going into a positive, resourceful state is the first step in an effective decision strategy.

Realizing that this situation is most likely going to come to overt conflict and preparing accordingly is not a conclusion based on a state of fear, but simply objectively acknowledging likely possibilities.

Avoiding conflict would certainly be prefered, but I don't see how this is a practical option. The only way to go about that would be hiding away somewhere, but A) you would be leaving your fellow humans to fend for themselves and B) you could only last so long as this is a Global organization bent on Total control of the Earth.

cheeb

22-04-2007, 11:53 PM

Sorry kids. A lovey-dovey attitude and vague pseudo-philosophy is not going to magically make them disappear.

Let's come back to reality and practicality for a moment here. It does start with yourself -- reach for your potential, become a powerful human being. I recommend things like:

Physically -- fasting, nutrition, fitness
Mentally -- NLP/hypnosis
Spiritually -- energy work, astral projection, lucid dreaming, remote viewing, etc
Skills -- wilderness survival, marksmanship and the tactical use of firearms, etc

Work on yourself. Group with others who also do the same. Prepare.

Read the Art of War. Gather intelligence.

When the time is right, we make our move. There's not much time left.

Wow you come onto a forum dedicated to infinate love, and guess what

A real life Rambo is on here

Amazing!

I spect hes just a big girls blouse
Who is too afraid to come out

and is testing himself on our lovey doveyness ,
before he tells his family/peers/workmates etc

Behold the sixth member of the "Village People"

siliconpsychosis

23-04-2007, 12:17 AM

Azure, you may be interested to look at the alien section on the montalk site,

http://www.montalk.net/alien

It explains what the hyperdimensional beings are and what are their weaknesses. Exploit these and you may be victorious. Heres a section from the site,

They cannot easily deviate from their plans — all is calculated. It takes them a while to adjust to new evasive tactics employed by a target. Part of this is due to them attacking from outside linear time, meaning they send in their attack simultaneously along the past, present, and future. So what appears to us as an attack spanning several days or weeks is for them them a single instant, and so they appear slow to respond to our improvisations.

seanx

23-04-2007, 12:23 AM

Azure wrote;
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanx
But they have you terrorized.

They have you passive and docile.

You have a totally 5 sense-based intrepretation of what is happening.

There is much more happening that is available to the physical eye.

look beyond the surface. It's all about control of energy and frequencies.

not just playing guns and war

i am all i am

23-04-2007, 12:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by i am all i am
Maybe the False Evidence Appearing Real has been the "sensory-based information" that has caused you "being afraid".

Uh, there's nothing "False" about the "Evidence" pertaining to their plans and where they're headed.
But your "sensory-based information" could be false because it is causing you "being afraid". Love gives love, fear gives fear. If you are "being afraid", then your "sensory-based information" is coming from fear and not love.

Quote:
Originally Posted by i am all i am
Once again, who is "them" that you will be fighting ?

That's impossible to say specifically as it depends entirely on how things play out.
So you say that we should fight but you don't know who it is that we should fight. Who did you say was in la-la-land ?

With LOVE.

azure

23-04-2007, 12:28 AM

There is much more happening that is available to the physical eye.

Right, I agree. Which is why I recommend things like energy work, astral projection and so on.

But that's not an excuse to ignore the physical, put your hands over your eyes and go, "If I can't see you, you can't see me!"

But your "sensory-based information" could be false because it is causing you "being afraid". Love gives love, fear gives fear. If you are "being afraid", then your "sensory-based information" is coming from fear and not love.

Uh. Sensory-based information does not come from states, it comes from your senses. Your interpretation can be influenced by your state.

So you say that we should fight but you don't know who it is that we should fight. Who did you say was in la-la-land ?

I'm not saying we should fight. I'm saying that the way things are headed, fighting will most likely become necessary to keep your freedom.

didgeylee

23-04-2007, 12:30 AM

I don't plan to defeat them. I just know they are not going to defeat me!!!!!

Anders Lindman

23-04-2007, 12:44 AM

I will increase the level of peace in me and thereby rise above all forms of Illuminati control. However powerful the Illuminati control is, it is still based on rules, and because of that, they can never be as strong or as fast as I can be. :D

i am all i am

23-04-2007, 12:58 AM

I don't plan to defeat them. I just know they are not going to defeat me!!!!!

G'day Didgeylee, welcome to the forum.

Well said.

With LOVE.

i am all i am

23-04-2007, 01:00 AM

seanx

23-04-2007, 01:14 AM

But that's not an excuse to ignore the physical, put your hands over your eyes and go, "If I can't see you, you can't see me!"

We don't ignore the physical.

We do the exact opposite.

We see it for what it really is. A manifestation of what we are all
collectively thinking and feeling.

in fact, in many ways, it is doing us a favour. Providing us with the
perfect feedback mechanism.

But fighting that manifestation is like fighting a mirror if you shows
you that you have cut yourself shaving.

You don't start blaming or trying to change the mirror.

Well, you can if you want ......but it's only doing it's job.

2013

23-04-2007, 01:29 AM

Uh, there's nothing "False" about the "Evidence" pertaining to their plans and where they're headed.

That's impossible to say specifically as it depends entirely on how things play out.

They have you passive and docile.

This apathy is what they breed on. That's why they propogate all these twisted philosophies - to have you off in la-la land while they do as they please out here in the real world.

Absolutely. Going into a positive, resourceful state is the first step in an effective decision strategy.

Realizing that this situation is most likely going to come to overt conflict and preparing accordingly is not a conclusion based on a state of fear, but simply objectively acknowledging likely possibilities.

Avoiding conflict would certainly be prefered, but I don't see how this is a practical option. The only way to go about that would be hiding away somewhere, but A) you would be leaving your fellow humans to fend for themselves and B) you could only last so long as this is a Global organization bent on Total control of the Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat :D :confused:

Anders Lindman

23-04-2007, 06:56 AM

G'day Anders, or is it Neo ? or Morpheus ?

Well said brother.

With LOVE.

I think It's when Morpheus is talking to Neo:

Neo: "What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?"

Morpheus: "No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to."

pollock

23-04-2007, 06:56 AM

But that's not an excuse to ignore the physical, put your hands over your eyes and go, "If I can't see you, you can't see me!"

I'm not saying we should fight.fighting will most likely become necessary to keep your freedom.

And I can see you are preparing, but dont you think there are better ways to raise your survival skills than to argue with a bunch of people you don't know, about a point you don't seem to have anyway?
I am, as I said before, also preparing physically as much as mentally, and I am sure most others here are too, but I dont go to this forum to compare muscles, firearms or my skills in the "bush", I go here to expand my mind and get info!
I hope you get over your need to bully people into physical action, as I do not think that is healthy or worthwile quest!
If you need to be with people who take physical action against all this, there are loads of underground groups who fight the "war".
I might not agree with you on all points but I do respect your wish to fight back, you would probably feel better if you learnt to respect other peoples wishes too!

F

i am all i am

23-04-2007, 07:04 AM

I think It's when Morpheus is talking to Neo:

Neo: "What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?"

Morpheus: "No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to."

G'day Anders.

I was wondering which one you were.

With LOVE.

gordonfreeman

23-04-2007, 07:54 AM

What is the Illuminati? What is their purpose? What can we do to stop them?

Well, it's going to be a long way.

http://www.montalk.net/conspiracy

It's tells more about the Elites controlling the world. Hyperdimensional Beings that control and direct the secret sociality. Reptilians are part of the Hyperdimensional beings (aka Aliens). They and other negative alien alliances work together. Don't be fooled by fake Spirituality and fake Love.

oneofmany

23-04-2007, 07:59 AM

This is easy....don't fight.

Peace for peace is the answer.

With LOVE.

THE SOURCE

A HEALING LIGHT,
CLEAN AND PURE,
TO WIN THE FIGHT,
LOVE IS THE CURE.

OUT WITH THE OLD,
AND IN WITH THE NEW,
AN IDEA TO HOLD,
TO YOURSELF BE TRUE.

HAVE NO FEAR,
AND YOU WILL SEE,
A LOVE SO CLEAR,
IT'S DIVINITY.

LOVE IS THE SOURCE,
OF LIFE EVERYWHERE,
HEAR THE DISCOURSE,
TO KNOW THAT I CARE.

This is the answer, just don't show up for their mickey mouse WARS, don't VOTE, don't BANK, don't WORK, don't pay TAXES, Refuse your child to be Indoctrinated through EDUCATION, JUST SAY NO. Imagine If every person not with them done this? Peacefully of course.

Anders Lindman

23-04-2007, 09:26 AM

G'day Anders.

I was wondering which one you were.

With LOVE.

I'm Mr. Anders on.....line. :D

edelweiss pirate

23-04-2007, 10:10 AM

They have many weaknessess, perhaps the most important at the higher levels is that they know what they're doing is 'wrong'...

This way we will always have the 'authority' over them... so as long as we don't get scared or don't lose our self belief in our integrity and authority, we can always know we are 'right' and whatever we do we are working in harmony and for the good of the world...

That's why you get folks like Jonesy and Icke just getting out there and shouting down the whole sham, what have they to be afraid of? They're doing nothing wrong so they've nothing to fear...

The Alex Jones airport porn bust thing recently where they were trying to bust Jones if he had porn on his computer shows that they follow rules, they could only get Jones if he did something wrong that would conflict his own morality, since he had no porn on his computer he was blameless and they had to respect that... If they really had no scruples they could have just planted porn on his computer but they didn't... because they respect integrity and goodness, they only try to destroy it through deception but that's up to US not to be deceived...

lemonique

23-04-2007, 11:15 AM

This is the answer, just don't show up for their mickey mouse WARS, don't VOTE, don't BANK, don't WORK, don't pay TAXES, Refuse your child to be Indoctrinated through EDUCATION, JUST SAY NO. Imagine If every person not with them done this? Peacefully of course.

I agree with this oneofmany, well said.
I would like to say no to being sprayed on an almost daily basis as well. Just haven't figured out how to do this yet:mad:
Lemonique

a fine naked fellow

23-04-2007, 11:43 AM

I wish we all could collectively say no taxes. That would just really make my day.

oneofmany

23-04-2007, 11:51 AM

I agree with this oneofmany, well said.
I would like to say no to being sprayed on an almost daily basis as well. Just haven't figured out how to do this yet:mad:
Lemonique

It starts by just saying NO, to whatever bullshit they WANT you to sign up for. Just think if everyone pulled their money out of the bank at a gradual rate rather than all at once? what would happen is that the people would have all the currency, and the Rich would whistle. this is where our power would grow from, and from there, It would become easy to assert our power as the common Man. Because THEY, would be at OUR beckoning. We are the Majority, so why are we acting like the Minority?

turquoisefyre

26-04-2007, 02:23 PM

december

26-04-2007, 06:52 PM

edelweiss pirate

26-04-2007, 06:59 PM

Oh... well I'd better pack it in then...

Get off the potty December... This site is huge and getting bigger everyday...

YAY!

It's about information man, the internet is our battleground, our members are our assault force, our words and information are our method of attack....

We'll do our thing, you do yours. Whatever that is.

mada88

26-04-2007, 07:28 PM

How to defeat them? We are them.

I can't stand fighters, this whole life is a fight, fight to survive, fight to get a job, fight to get this and that. Its a whole big competition, thanks to the DNA.
A really good way to buck the system is to stop buying crap that you don't need.
Its like fools rush in to secure there place on the prison boatride to nowhere. If you think this whole thing is a war then your just gunna keep the game rolling on. Its not us and them ffs all is one, even if you go with the whole big bang stuff the whole universe came from a dense form of matter. So hey we are all one.

december

26-04-2007, 07:38 PM

I can't stand fighters, this whole life is a fight, fight to survive, fight to get a job, fight to get this and that. Its a whole big competition, thanks to the DNA.

The Illuminati need more people like you to escalate their agenda.

:)

turquoisefyre

27-04-2007, 02:31 PM

how to defeat the illuminati:

walk your own path in accordance with natural-universal principles...whatever the fcuk they are...

lottie

27-04-2007, 04:01 PM

The Illuminati need more people like you to escalate their agenda.

:)

Dont be so ridiculous! We need more people just like mada88! Fight for this Fight for that....its all complete bollox, fight for nothing, peace for peace!!

i_am

28-04-2007, 02:46 AM

Dont be so ridiculous! We need more people just like mada88! Fight for this Fight for that....its all complete bollox, fight for nothing, peace for peace!!

I totally agree. I will resist them but there is no point in fighting them.. even if we knew who "them" was. It is not the so-called world leaders.
They are merely puppets and as such are dispensable. Do YOU know who is pulling their strings. I sure as hell don't, not really. We have a fair idea but do we really KNOW. What are you going to do? Go and shoot them all, bring yourself down to their level?

Resist their agenda. Refuse to be microchipped, refuse to buy crap you don't need (as has already been said by mad88), don't put yourself in the chase-your-tail debt cycle, refuse vaccination for your children, home school them, grow your own vegetables, don't be anti-war, be pro peace. The list goes on.

Talk your heads off telling all and asunder what is going on in the world. You will get through to some. If you don't get through to them, let it go. you have planted a seed and hopefully one day something may happen that will make them remember what you told them.

i am all i am

28-04-2007, 12:09 PM

Well, so far NOTHING...

Yes, you guys, posted interesting comments but we don't have to convince each other about the Illuminati any more. :)

What is actually the goal of our discussion? To show how powerfull they are or to find a solution for our problems?

Here's a huge ass-umption. "OUR" problem ???

YOU may have a problem December, not this does not mean that anyone else does. Maybe the problem that you have is merely the way that you perceive there to be a problem.

The Illuminati need more people like you to escalate their agenda.

And comments like this show exactly where you are coming from.

"The Illuminati need" - obviously it is the illuminati that have the problem if The Hierarchy Enslaving You "need more people to escalate their agenda".

With LOVE.

viginti tres

28-04-2007, 01:24 PM

rossus

28-04-2007, 01:32 PM

3ill

28-04-2007, 02:13 PM

Frankly, I don't. I have plans to annoy them, which are secret. Mock them. Beyond that I'm just trying to have a good time in an insane world.

thewaycreates

28-04-2007, 04:15 PM

Peace for peace is the answer.

ill give that a huge Wild Stallions* style Strum!

*reference to Bill & Teds excellent Adventure

p.s. that my favorite David Icke Quote....i wanna put it on a shirt "Peace for Peace".

i am all i am

28-04-2007, 05:13 PM

i am all i am

28-04-2007, 05:14 PM

ill give that a huge Wild Stallions* style Strum!

*reference to Bill & Teds excellent Adventure

p.s. that my favorite David Icke Quote....i wanna put it on a shirt "Peace for Peace".

Most excellent dude. Party on.

With LOVE.

i_am

28-04-2007, 10:49 PM

ill give that a huge Wild Stallions* style Strum!

*reference to Bill & Teds excellent Adventure

Strange things afoot at the Circle K :D

jinjo5

28-04-2007, 11:08 PM

Hello, people.

If you have a plan or ideas - let's see it.
Let's see if it can work...

This is serious discussion. So, no spam and dull statements, please.

...you mean dull statements like that the world is being overtaken by the Illuminati.

december

28-04-2007, 11:15 PM

...you mean dull statements like that the world is being overtaken by the Illuminati.

I am sorry, jinjo5, but I didn't say that. :)
It was moderator lumukanda actually -

...still think the illuminati is just the USA? i think you'll find in time you're wrong, the illuminati is everywhere, including (or should i say especially) in russia and china, and yes, in america too.

Source -

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2366

jinjo5

28-04-2007, 11:53 PM

When you think about sanely.............a small amount of people,however rich or influential..........will never beat the masses in the end.......................unless you let them.!!
never use the reptile arguement,that is too out there...keep it real for now.

anoninnyc

29-04-2007, 12:14 AM

well, look at india and the british.... in the end the british did not reign but after they made a huge profit. they did so by playing on a persons greed. people will sell out their own people for a little bit of money

lenejento

29-04-2007, 12:21 AM

This is my take on it, but don't take it in if it doesen't feel right.(By the way English is not my first language).

I think we must realize the Truth, and the True nature of our selfes, which is our consciousness, which is by it's very nature free and limitless. That's why I don't thinks it's to wise to conclude that we need to "keep in touch with reality" in order to "beat" them, when most of our own thoughts, reality and subconscious have been conditioned in there by Them, ultimately. So it's wise to question them actually.

When you realize the True nature of yourself you will also realize that you're impossible to be defeated - because you're consciousness! Then you will never fight. You will realize that control doesen't really exist (which btw out ego wants all the time). They are trying to control something that is at its nature uncontrollable, therefore they have to implant beliefs that make us controlable.

When you realize the Truth of who you are and stay true to that, you will most likely be far from passive (although one could, but I suspect we'd all be pretty active since we're some of the first to awaken and feel it so strongly in our Hearts). You will Spontaniously live From pure consciousness in full realization that you are it and bring forth Truth, and you will be unstoppable, uncontrollable and unpredictable to Them, and you will Love it and do it with ease obviously.

-- This probably didn't make alot of sense to some because it is something that I feel in my heart right now.

Peace

i_am

29-04-2007, 02:55 AM

This is my take on it, but don't take it in if it doesen't feel right.(By the way English is not my first language).

When you realize the True nature of yourself you will also realize that you're impossible to be defeated - because you're consciousness! Then you will never fight. You will realize that control doesen't really exist (which btw out ego wants all the time). They are trying to control something that is at its nature uncontrollable, therefore they have to implant beliefs that make us controlable.

When you realize the Truth of who you are and stay true to that, you will most likely be far from passive (although one could, but I suspect we'd all be pretty active since we're some of the first to awaken and feel it so strongly in our Hearts). You will Spontaniously live From pure consciousness in full realization that you are it and bring forth Truth, and you will be unstoppable, uncontrollable and unpredictable to Them, and you will Love it and do it with ease obviously.

-- This probably didn't make alot of sense to some because it is something that I feel in my heart right now.
Peace

Exactly!! Some of those who want to 'fight' for peace don't understand this. They think that not fighting means passive. I do not want to fight but I am by no means passive :p

Makes perfect sense to me.

...and well done. Your English is very good.

lenejento

29-04-2007, 04:30 AM

Exactly!! Some of those who want to 'fight' for peace don't understand this. They think that not fighting means passive. I do not want to fight but I am by no means passive :p

Makes perfect sense to me.

...and well done. Your English is very good.

Yes, exactly, it's so nice when it all starts to make perfect sense ;) It's great

Thanks! :)

third wave

29-04-2007, 04:39 AM

I plan to buy as many of David's books as possible.That's the only way to crush the iiluminatti.

thewaycreates

29-04-2007, 09:33 AM

When you realize the True nature of yourself you will also realize that you're impossible to be defeated - because you're consciousness! Then you will never fight. You will realize that control doesen't really exist (which btw out ego wants all the time). They are trying to control something that is at its nature uncontrollable, therefore they have to implant beliefs that make us controlable.

Peace

*standing ovation emoticon*

p.s. this website definitely needs more emoticons:cool:

lenejento

29-04-2007, 04:37 PM

*standing ovation emoticon*

p.s. this website definitely needs more emoticons:cool:

Hey thanks! :o

Hope this thread will stay alive.

dragonfly

30-04-2007, 10:12 PM

love must be the best way to defeat, any force that is based on fear/control and injustice.

peacefully, from "the dragonfly"

peter19

01-05-2007, 01:52 AM

a first good way to "defeat" them is to not think that they are so powerful that they control everything, because they dont. and if you are put into fear and on low energy vibes like we are all done for 24/7 , you will not have the energy to stand up and fight if need be, you could be put in a state of passiveity by that - " i just dont give a shit anymore" isnt there something animals do like that, like after behing scared or something they just roll over and show there weak spot.

if you want to beat them do this - get out of the system, take responsabilty for yourself and live a free life, if possible, dont listen to there proppoganda tv shit and just LIVE LIFE. this is the thing with all of this stuff, you are meant to be a hero 24 hours a day and "wake" everyone up. wheres the time to be happy and too play?.life is a dance, dance dance were ever you may be i am thelord of the dance we ll see and i bid you all where ever you may be and i bid you all in the dance with me......

just imagine if everyone thought life was to be valued and too be in-joyed. the PTB would have a hard time getting people motivated to fight wars ect.

bt on the hole though its good to get fit and be prepared for things or the worst. but i dont want to wait all of me life waiting for something that doesnt come and fighting an enemy i dont know.

peace.

Anders Lindman

03-05-2007, 08:03 PM

Illuminati control is based on Order out of Chaos.

There exists a more powerful form of control available and that is Chaos out of Disorder. The principle of Order out of Chaos requires a rigid hierarchical structure with control-over management. Such structure is prone to tremendous inner conflicts resulting in much friction, and to have it running requires a lot of effort. The power elite have enormous power over others because they need that power to make the whole monolithic pyramid going.

If I run my own life on the same principle, I will not only have to struggle against the power pyramid, I will also have to struggle against other people in order to maintain the control-over power I need to make my own life going.

When I use Order out of Chaos, I have to rely on knowledge about what is truth and what false. Not only that. Essential knowledge that can be used as a means to control other people is kept in secrecy. This creates a situation with much lying and falsehood, which is part of the overall friction in a control structure based on Order out of Chaos.

The Chaos out of Disorder principle offers a much more effective way to run my life. Instead of focusing on my knowledge, I focus on my confusion since that is the boiling edge between chaos and disorder.

The creative power resulting from Chaos out of Disorder is far more powerful than what the power elite can muster.
http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/j/jedi.gif :D

lake

09-08-2007, 07:38 AM

Physically -- fasting, nutrition, fitness
Mentally -- NLP/hypnosis
Spiritually -- energy work, astral projection, lucid dreaming, remote viewing, etc
Skills -- wilderness survival, marksmanship and the tactical use of firearms, etc

I would leave the firearms stuff away. All violence just causes more karma to us. Well radiating heart chakra could be a better weapon..

If time is running out perhaps we should learn to break the time barrier and stop time or manipulate the time : :)
http://www.keelynet.com/time/bajak1.htm
I recommend reading about time travelling..

bicycle

09-08-2007, 08:11 AM

Become aware of the illuminardi (as icke would say:D) then realise the power is with you not them.

Also not paying taxe's is far more effective than bearing arms!

thirdwave

09-08-2007, 12:36 PM

very easy

stop being manipulated by them.

synergy777

09-08-2007, 12:37 PM

the effectiveness of their strategy depends on our reaction.

hutanic

09-08-2007, 01:52 PM

Hello, people.

If you have a plan or ideas - let's see it.
Let's see if it can work...

This is serious discussion. So, no spam and dull statements, please.

You are your own greatest enemy. Defeat your self and they wont be able to do anything to u. As far as defeating them. They already lost because they also fight battle on wrong battle field. With things each one of such people does during his/theres life's they condemn them selfs.

anoninnyc

09-08-2007, 05:06 PM

my plan- to have no plan- just to live my life as i see fit and when the illuminati infringes upon that i will not comply.

but to be perfectly honest, the one area where i have failed is i do pay taxes.

cruise4

09-08-2007, 10:49 PM

Can we set up Polls on here?

I would like to know who isn't paying taxes? I'm not. Nor am I on benefits.

The widespread adoption of Free Energy Sources would hurt them badly and every single person here could arrange to do that.

So who wants to beat the illuminati, becomes the question?

foreverspirit

09-08-2007, 11:52 PM

ILLUMINATED BY DARKNESS

by Paul Levy

(Note: For those of you have read my book, the first few parts of this article might be somewhat familiar, but I urge you to not let this stop you from getting to the meat of the article, as I genuinely try to illumine some new territory. I’ve included these first few parts for those unfamiliar with my work, as it serves as a framework for the main discussion that follows later in the article).

In my recent book “The Madness of George W. Bush: A Reflection of our Collective Psychosis (available on my website www.awakeninthedream.com),” I point out that one of the fundamental psychological dynamics in-forming the crisis that is playing out in our world is the unwillingness to “consciously experience” our own sense of shame, guilt and sin. This turning away from the darker part of ourselves pervades the entire field, which is to say it exists within each one of us in potential at each and every moment. This contraction against our own guilt, shame and sin is an active dynamic that exists “inside” every one of us and is revealing itself to us as it gets “dreamed up” in the “outside” world. This inner psychological process of turning away from our own darkness is giving shape to collective events in our world.

To see what is playing out in our world as a “dreaming process” is to contemplate it as if it IS a dream we are having right now. As in a dream, the outer (what is happening in the world) is nothing other than an unmediated expression or reflection of what is going on inside the dreamer, which in this case is us. The fact that this core psychological process of turning away from our guilt, shame and sin is at work, “fully employed” in-forming and fueling the crisis in our world, is revealing to us that this very same process exists within ourselves. This is to say that the genuine healing and resolution of our world crisis is to be found by looking within ourselves. This is exactly what Christ himself was teaching when he said, “The Kingdom is to be found within.”

Just like a dream, the core “inner” process of the psyche is revealing itself, both literally as well as symbolically, in, as and through events in the “outside” world. We don’t recognize this synchronistic correspondence between the inner and the outer not because it is hard to see, but because it is so obvious, we don’t notice what is staring us in the face. This correlation between what is happening inside of ourselves and what is happening in the outside world is “transparent.” This is to say it is not hidden, as it’s fully apparent, while at the same time being invisible, like a see-thru medium that we are not able to register. This synchronistic co-relation between the inner and the outer is veiling itself in the obviousness of its very revelation. We are simply being asked to recognize what is being revealed.

Seen as a mass, shared dream that we are all collaboratively dreaming up into materialization, what is playing out on the world stage is symbolically revealing to us the core psychological process that is keeping us separate from one another. Any one of us integrating our own darkness into our image of ourselves has a non-local effect on the entire field, which is to say that the way to “fight” evil is by coming to terms with it within ourselves.

GEORGE BUSH IS OUR REFLECTION

We can use the figure of George Bush as an example. As I articulate in my book (in chapter 1), at the bottom of Bush’s madness is his unwillingness and fear to consciously feel and experience his own guilt, shame and sin (which means to miss the mark). In order to hide from his darkness, Bush splits-off and projects his own darkness outside of himself. In projecting his shadow, however, he is lying (both to others, as well as himself), for he is disassociating from and deceiving himself about his darker intentions. Bush then deludes himself into believing his own lies, which is the very thing which feeds his guilt in the first place, creating the very thing he is hiding from. Bush is caught in a self-created, involuted spiral of ever increasing madness, a crazy-making double-bind with no “exit strategy” that he is acting out on the world stage.

This self-reinforcing process of splitting-off from his guilt develops a momentum and a sovereignty of its own, more and more taking Bush over in the process. Bush is being manipulated, victimized and possessed by darker forces that he himself is setting in motion through his refusal to self-reflect and consciously experience his guilt. He has fallen into a self-created and self-creating feedback loop, an infinite regression known in Buddhism as the endless wheel of cyclic, problematic, and suffering-filled existence called “samsara.” Because of his position of power to determine events in our world, however, we are all at risk, as his disastrous, unconscious, fear-based re-actions threaten the well-being of the entire planet.

Being so taken over by his unconscious as a result of his unwillingness to feel his guilt, Bush is incarnating this (inner) process in full-bodied (outer) form, which is to say he is an embodied “revelation” of this inner process. The figure of George Bush is both literally, as well as symbolically - like a figure in a dream - reflecting back to us the part of ourselves that is feeding and thereby supporting our own darkness, as well as the darkness in the universe. Seen as a dreaming process, in which George Bush is a figure that we’ve all dreamed up into materialization, we have dreamed him up to mirror back to us our own ignorance, madness, and darkness, so as to help us recognize and integrate these pathological parts within ourselves of which he is merely a reflection.

Being an embodied reflection of this part of ourselves is to say that Bush is not separate from us, as we are all interconnected parts and expressions of the underlying unified field. We don’t exist in isolation from Bush, nor him from us, but rather, in co-relation to each other. We are all interdependently co-arising together, which is to say that we are all parts of one another. We are expressions of and contained in a being whose periphery is far greater than what we have been imagining for ourselves. To realize this is to have an expansion of not only our image of who we are, but of consciousness itself.

WE ARE ALL COMPLICIT

Avoiding relationship with our shadow results in having a chronic “guilty conscience,” which is an expression of “unconsciousness,” and is the polar opposite of “consciously” experiencing our guilt. Our turning away from consciously experiencing our own guilt, shame and sin literally feeds and give life to the shadow, both on the personal level (in ourselves), and on the collective, archetypal level (on the world stage). This “turning away” from a part of ourselves is an inner, archetypal, age-old process that has enacted itself all throughout history. This is to say that this dynamic exists in the collective unconscious of humanity, pervading the entire field of consciousness, and is therefore a process in which we all share and participate. To the extent that each of us is not dealing with our own guilt, shame, and sin, we are contributing to and unknowingly colluding with the collective shadow that is playing out in the world.

The evil that is playing out in the world non-locally pervades the entire field, which is to say that we are all complicit. Though he was talking about Nazi Germany, Jung could have been talking about our present day when he said, “Psychological collective guilt …hits everybody, just and unjust alike, everybody who was anywhere near the place where the terrible thing happened.” In our case, because the evil is playing itself out non-locally throughout the field, which is to say everywhere, we are all “near the place where the terrible thing happened (and is happening).” We are all playing roles, to the extent we are acting out our unconscious, in animating the darkness that has befallen our planet. To say this differently: We are all collaboratively dreaming up the darkness in the world, we are all responsible. There is no one in this world who is completely innocent, as we are all interconnected, inseparable parts of the greater field.

When we are unwilling to consciously experience this shadow part of ourselves, we necessarily project it outside of ourselves. This split-off, darker part literally gets “dreamed up” into materialization in the outside world. Once we meet our projected shadow in the outside world, we immediately contract against it, which is the very reflection of our original impulse of contracting against our own inner darkness being played out in the outside world. Paradoxically, this implies that the way to work on our inner process is by actively participating in the outside world, while concurrently, the very way to change the outer world is by looking within and working on our inner process.

THE DARKNESS ITSELF ILLUMINES US

Once we project our shadow, we fall into a vicious cycle in which we are endlessly hiding from and lying to ourselves. In order to justify our shadow projections, we continually have to entrance ourselves into believing the lie that is inherent in our shadow projection. Interestingly, Jung simply refers to “shadow projection” as “the lie.” Etymologically, lying is related to the word “Devil,” who is the “liar.” Shadow projection is intimately related to the evil that is playing out in our world.

We secretly feel a sense of guilt when we shadow project, because we inwardly know we are not in our integrity. This sense of guilt itself is the very feeling from which we split-off. Our guilt does not allow us to feel our guilt, which is what we secretly feel guilty over. To the extent that we don’t consciously experience our guilt, we become caught in an infinitely-perpetuating double-bind in which we project out our darkness, which just perpetuates the very thing we feel guilty about, ad infinitum.

Commenting on the insidious futility of shadow projection, Jung said, “One realizes, first of all, that one cannot project one’s shadow on to others, and next that there is no advantage in insisting on their guilt, as it is much more important to know and possess one’s own, because it is part of one’s own self and a necessary factor without which nothing in this sublunary world can be realized.”

Jung is pointing at the “primary” importance of getting in touch with our own guilt. It should be noted that getting in touch with our own guilt doesn’t preclude at the same time holding someone like Bush accountable for his criminal actions. Both the inner and outer situations need to be consciously dealt with, without either being marginalized.

Once we consciously access our own guilt, however, we withdraw and dis-invest our projection of the shadow onto others. We recognize that the evil we’re seeing in the other is simultaneously our own evil, thereby realizing we can no longer project evil outside of ourselves and keep it at arm’s length. On the contrary, we discover that evil exists within the very arm that is pointing to it out there. Yes, Bush is guilty. And to the extent that we are turning away from a part of ourselves (whether within ourselves, or as it appears in reflected form in the outside world), so are we. We are all complicit.

Once we withdraw our shadow projections from external reality, we dis-spell and dis-engage from the diabolical feedback loop which we were unknowingly feeding and in which we were imprisoned. Once we withdraw our shadow projection from the outside world and recognize it within ourselves, we are able to snap out of our self-created double-bind and consciously feel our guilt, shame and sin. Once we become fluent and engaged with the darkness within ourselves, we no longer have to hide from it, which is to say from ourselves, by projecting our shadow outside of ourselves. We can thereby take responsibility for our role in perpetuating this cycle of self-deceit and denial, and with our increased consciousness, bring our complicity in this dynamic to an end. We are then able to deal with the “sublunary world” of the dark unconscious, both within ourselves and as it appears in the outside world. Once we are acquainted with the archetypal darkness which expresses itself non-locally throughout the field, this darkness paradoxically reveals itself to be an expression of the light, as it is the darkness itself that has illumined us.

Becoming “intimately related” to our own darkness empowers us to effectively deal with the darkness in the world in a way that was unavailable to us as long as we were avoiding a confrontation with our own inner darkness. When we were hiding from our own darkness, we were trying to destroy it as it appeared in the outside world (which is merely an “externalized” reflection of our “inner” act of contracting against our own darkness). In other words, the darkness (inside of us) is trying to get rid of the darkness (in the outside world), as if the darkness is trying to get rid of itself, which is the very act that generates and is generated by the darkness in the first place.

WE ARE ALL GUILTY OF BEING INNOCENT

Once we consciously take the shadow back into ourselves, we become an instrument, a flash of light that illumines the darkness in the outside world. Instead of reacting to the darkness in the outside world through the lens of our own unembraced darkness, which simply creates, through projection, more darkness, we are able to see the darkness through the part of ourselves that is separate from it. Paradoxically, seeing our own evil is the very thing which activates the part of us which is “other” than and free of evil. This part of us that is “other” than evil is the only part of us that can clearly see evil (as it plays itself out both within ourselves and in the outside world) because it is not “mixed up” with it, and thus, is not blinded or deceived by it.

At the same time we see the evil part of ourselves, the part of us that is seeing evil is free of it, for we couldn’t objectify it otherwise. For example, if we have jaundice, we couldn’t pick out what objects are truly yellow, for everything looks yellow. The part of us that is seeing the color yellow is the part of us that is “yellow-free.” Paradoxically, it is only in recognizing and owning the evil within ourselves that allows us, by virtue of being the witness of it, to relate to it as “other” than ourselves, which is to be free of it (“evil-free”).

This is a very subtle, but immensely profound point. When we see the evil within us, by owning it we simultaneously witness it as other than and separate from ourselves, which is to get in relationship with it as an “other.” Simply aware of what it is witnessing, the part of us that is the witness of “evil” is free of the attribute that is being witnessed; it is not the “guilty party.” The evil I am witnessing within myself is an aspect of me and I own it but it is not mine. This is the personal/impersonal paradox of the soul: what is most me is not mine.

We are only able to bear the experience of the evil within us and not fall into overwhelming despair if we recognize the “transpersonal” origin of evil (for a deeper discussion on evil, see the chapter in my book called “Shedding Light on Evil,” chapter 13). Instead of identifying with the evil we have found within, thinking it “belongs” to us individually, we recognize that evil is “archetypal” in nature, in that it belongs to the universe itself. Realizing the archetypal dimension of evil is itself an expression that we are in touch with our intrinsic wholeness, which enables us to not split-off from nor identify with, but rather contain, transmute and liberate evil’s deleterious effects. Becoming engaged with and intimately related to the transpersonal evil within us simultaneously acquaints us with the part of ourselves that is beyond the personal ego and plugged into something greater than ourselves.

Similarly, the part of us that experiences the guilt that is bound up in the evil within us is the guilt-free (innocent) part of us. When we consciously experience our “feelings” of guilt in a “full-bodied way” (compared to an “intellectual” way, in which we only experience the “idea” of our guilt), the underlying guilt, as if released from being stuck in a frozen block of ice, begins to melt, move, and transform. Fully experiencing one of the opposites, our guilt, constellates its opposite, as we become introduced to the part of us that has always existed in primordial purity. This “innocent” part of us has simply been temporarily hidden by our unwillingness to experience our own evil and corresponding guilt. Paradoxically, by consciously experiencing our guilt, shame and sin, and experiencing remorse, we become acquainted with the part of us that is “innocent.”

This “innocent” part of ourselves has never been tainted by darkness. This part of us that is “other” than evil is unstained and undefiled by evil, just like the sands of the Sahara desert are not made wet by a mirage of water. This innocent part of us warrants being identified with divinity. Paradoxically, by owning the evil inside of ourselves, we access the part of us that is untouched by evil, and can genuinely be called “good,” as it is of the nature of “God.”

THE SHADOW IS A TRICKSTER

Jung said, “Consciousness of guilt can therefore act as a powerful moral stimulus…without guilt, unfortunately, there can be no psychic maturation and no widening of the spiritual horizon.” Feeling genuine regret and remorse brings with it a “metanoia,” a refreshing and renewal of the spirit. This is the “remorse of conscience” that the spiritual teacher Gurdjieff considered to be the doorway into genuine spiritual maturation and evolution.

Experiencing remorse involves seeing the times in our lives when we have deceived ourselves and/or others and have hurt other people in the process. Who among us is not guilty? It takes moral courage to shatter our one-sided image of ourselves as “pure and righteous,” face ourselves in the mirror, see our darker half and experience remorse. Humility spontaneously arises as we “feel through” our remorse.

There is a danger however. To quote Jung, “In making the shadow conscious we must be very careful that the unconscious does not play yet another trick and prevent a real confrontation with the shadow. A patient may see the darkness in himself for a moment, but the next moment he tells himself that it is not so bad after all, a mere bagatelle [something of little importance]. Or else he exaggerates his remorse, because it is so nice to have such a wonderful remorseful feeling, to enjoy it like a warm eiderdown on a cold winter’s morning when one should be getting up. This dishonesty, this refusal to see, ensures that there will be no confrontation with the shadow. Yet if there were a confrontation, then with increasing consciousness the good and the positive features would come to light too. We must therefore beware of the danger of wallowing in affects- remorse, melancholy, etc.- because they are seductive.” [Emphasis added]

Until integrated and made conscious, the shadow is always trying to obfuscate itself. Even the part of us that wants to integrate the shadow so that we can be free of it might itself be an aspect of the shadow. The shadow itself is not “bad,” it is a mere “shadow” with no substance. It is our turning away from and avoiding our shadow which is the very act that is both created by and creating the darkness from which we are turning away.

Spiritual/New Age practitioners who are endlessly affirming their innocence are another example of falling under the spell of the shadow. Many metaphysical practitioners are actually caricatures of genuine spiritual practitioners, as in their affirmations of their guiltlessness they are unwittingly avoiding conscious relationship with their feelings of guilt, shame and sin. Overly identified with the light and trying to be pure, they become self-righteous and one-sided, which guarantees that they will unconsciously act out their shadow destructively in the world. These “light-workers” generally run the other way screaming in horror when someone has the temerity to even mention the word “evil.”

There is also a danger of identifying with, getting absorbed into and caught by the shadow, where we feel possessed by it and act it out unconsciously. Once we develop a strong enough sense of self, however, we can not only become more intimately in relationship with the darkness as an “object” other than ourselves, but we then experience the darkness “subjectively,” as we experience ourselves as the source of the darkness. This is to realize that it is our contracting against the darkness, a form of clinging and grasping, which is the very act that generates the darkness against which we are resisting.

OUR BURDEN IS LIGHT

As Christ said, “resist not evil.” There is a radical difference between fighting evil and loving God. Loving God is to embrace unconditionally both the light and dark sides of God, which is to say of ourselves. Snapping out of the self-created and infinitely-regressing feedback loop of fighting against our own darkness is to realize that our very grasping itself is the origin of the problem of evil. This realization allows us to receive the blessings of the “dark God.” As alchemists, we are then able to transmute the darkness into light. As Christ said, “My burden IS light.” Could this statement by Christ mean not only that his burden is “not heavy,” but that his (and our) burden IS (in disguised form) the “light” of the Godhead itself?

We are confronted with a paradox: No one is innocent, as we are all complicit in the darkness that is playing out in the world, while simultaneously we are all innocent. A genuine “coincidentia oppositorum,” a co-inciding of the opposites, a complete and utter paradox where both opposites are true simultaneously. Consciously experiencing this co-joining of opposites challenges us to snap out of the spell of our bifurcating, dualistic mind which separates this seamless universe of ours into alienated fragments that seem to be at “odds” with each other.

The only way to directly realize this union of opposites is to have an expansion of consciousness in which we recognize our interconnectedness and interrelatedness, and develop a more complete and holistic vision of our inseparable relationship to each other and the universe as a whole. Entertaining both opposites being true simultaneously is an expression that we have become united with ourselves (which is reflected both within ourselves, as well as in the outside world), while at the same time we ourselves have been united by the opposites. Not merely the “subjects” of our inner process, we have become the “objects” of a deeper, mythic, archetypal and divine process that is incarnating itself through us. We are the conduits through which the universe is becoming consciously aware of itself. The universe is waking itself up through us.

Just like the darkest thunderclouds are themselves the unmediated expression of the sky, not separate from the sky in one iota, as they come out of the sky and unfold back into the sky when they dissolve, evil can be recognized to be related to, not separate from, and a revelation of our true nature. Just like the darkest thunderclouds don’t dirty the sky, evil is recognized to have no power to taint our true nature, but rather, in some very peculiar way, helps us to realize who we are in a deeper, more ultimate sense. Evil awakens in us the recognition of our true nature, similar to how we would never notice the surface of the mirror without its reflections. Interestingly, it is only by allowing himself to be completely bound by darker forces on the cross does Christ actualize true freedom. Paradoxically, by binding us, evil can potentially enliven the part of us that is truly free.

Just like a mirror can reflect back the vilest image and not become sullied by the darkness of the reflection, when we become truly acquainted with our true nature – which embraces both light and dark and is simply aware of what it witnesses - our “original sin” dissolves back into the empty illusion that it always was. Acting from the living experience of our basic goodness and primordial purity, we can then truly be of benefit to the world.

Paul Levy is an artist and a spiritually-informed political co-activist. A pioneer in the field of spiritual awakening, he is a healer in private practice, assisting others who are awakening to the dream-like nature of reality. He is the author of “The Madness of George Bush: A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis,” which is available at his website www.awakeninthedream.com. Please feel free to pass this article along to a friend if you feel so inspired. You can contact Paul at paul@awakeninthedream.com; he looks forward to your reflections.

© 2006 Paul Levy

cruise4

10-08-2007, 02:55 AM

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anoninnyc

10-08-2007, 04:11 AM

"my plan- to have no plan- just to live my life as i see fit and when the illuminati infringes upon that i will not comply.

but to be perfectly honest, the one area where i have failed is i do pay taxes."

Herein lies the problem:

You say:
and when the illuminati infringes upon that i will not comply.

and then when the illuminati do impinge:
You pay taxes and comply

I see this inherent contradiction everywhere. People are saying all sorts to do with shadows, darkness, the nature of this, love, bush is a manifestation of.... but you can only say this stuff because what the NWO are doing hasn't impinged on you directly yet. When the Gestapo come for you, how will you be saved??? The thing that has changed since 9/11 is the situation has got worse... so what on earth makes you think this approach is doing anything at all???

Is it not much more likely that you WILL have to fight and you are doing anything possible to avoid facing that reality?

I am aware of the problem of me paying taxes, yet I am not going to lie to all of you. I am being honest. I am complicit because I do pay taxes. I think the only solution is to not fight the nwo but non-compliance, but I am not there in actions yet. I have made massive changes in the items I purchase, and I think this does impact things. If everyone stopped buying food from McDonald's for example, it would go out of business. If we all stopped paying our taxes then Bush and co. wouldn't have money for this war.

cruise4

10-08-2007, 04:43 AM

foreverspirit

10-08-2007, 07:26 AM

"

The thing that has changed since 9/11 is the situation has got worse... so what on earth makes you think this approach is doing anything at all???

Is it not much more likely that you WILL have to fight and you are doing anything possible to avoid facing that reality?

Ive thought of that too. Im uncomfortable with the the underlying blame the victim vibe. After all, why should anyone have to deal with stuff that they seemingly didnt have a hand in creating?

However, we cant negate the fact, that we have the power to create. Though what may seem to be very unfortunate, is the possible fact, that we have to deal with the something bizzare that seems to also exists within us. Through no fault of our own.

With the ability to create absolutely whatsoever we desire, with awareness that there is no idle thought. It might be better to have the immortal strenghth to, as you say, fight. For it would seem this energy has been a formidable force, for what would seem to be - too long a time.

intuition

10-08-2007, 07:41 AM

Hi anoninnyc... the point I'm trying to make is, you are being contradictory. I understand you are trying). But not just you... virtually everyone.

They say...I am not going to play the illuminati/reptilian game, and that will bring about world peace, the end of the NWO agenda, won't affect me etc.

but...

then they do continue to play the illuminati/reptilian game... and seem to not even notice the incompatibility with their stated beliefs and actions.

So what I'm saying is... Why don't they stop spouting contradictory statements and start taking genuine actions.

Or...

Explicitly point out where my perception of whats going on is incorrect.

COULDNT AGREE MORE.Been thinking this myself for ages.
Just some contracdictions i here below:
1.They are all powerful but we can only beat them by being passive and loving. ( as love is the only thing that matters.)
2.You give power to what you think about , surely then the unaware ( as people on here would call them) are more powerful as they concentrate on there family, friends and themselves.
3.The world is ran by reptiles - but it doesnt matter because when you are infinite and you never die anyway.
4.You change your reality and manifest what you want by tuning your thought patterns - how handy for the nwo, as this involves people taking no action whatsoever.

anoninnyc

10-08-2007, 07:43 AM

Hi anoninnyc... the point I'm trying to make is, you are being contradictory. I understand you are trying). But not just you... virtually everyone.

They say...I am not going to play the illuminati/reptilian game, and that will bring about world peace, the end of the NWO agenda, won't affect me etc.

but...

then they do continue to play the illuminati/reptilian game... and seem to not even notice the incompatibility with their stated beliefs and actions.

So what I'm saying is... Why don't they stop spouting contradictory statements and start taking genuine actions.

Or...

Explicitly point out where my perception of whats going on is incorrect.

The point I am making is that I pointed out my own contradiction in my original post on this thread. I am well aware that my paying taxes is in contradiction to what would defeat the nwo- that is if everyone was in non-compliance, or civil disobedience, however one wants to put it. I have made steps in other areas, to avoid or to do my own boycott of goods and services that I find incompatible with my morals. Now I realize that my paying taxes is a bad thing and I pointed out my own hypocrisy in my original post, so I am unsure of your point.

You stated that you do not pay taxes. What country do you live in and what country are you a citizen of? Have you received notices? Any legal action? Do you have a job? Aren't some taxes automatically taken out of your paycheck? Please, instead of pointing out the obvious which I had already stated anyway, please tell us about your situation and help provide a positive solution here. In the USA if you owe taxes they can just freeze your bank accounts and take the money anyway. Not that this is any kind of an excuse for me to pay taxes but it is more of an explanation for my less than exemplary behavior.

cruise4

11-08-2007, 01:24 AM

anoninnyc

11-08-2007, 04:31 AM

In the US do you have a personal allowance and only pay tax on the money over and above that threshold? In the UK we do. So I keep my income below that and cut expenditure to allow it. This approach obviously needs some planning beforehand.

My point was 'Contradiction'. I just used your post as a good and simple example. Nothing personal.

The time may come when I can no longer stay out the system because they raise compulsory taxes to a level thats eats my personal allowance. At this point I will probably go to Jail. But I'll judge that situation when it arises.

Pensioners are going to jail regularly over here for non payment of Council tax. If pensioners can do it, so can I. If we all do it, it can't happen!

Also I'm a hypocrite too. If you had a look around my place you'd find IBM products, who are Eugenics central. We can only try to avoid things as we find out about them. But when you do I believe its important to 'really' try to avoid them. Its all to easy to give lip service with some of this stuff.

Its like this Free energy stuff. If you have the capability of purchasing or making this stuff... and don't, then you have no basis to moan about Oil, whats its doing to the planet or energy bills.

I am sorry if I took it personally. I guess I have been hard on myself and really thinking about things lately, especially how my tax money goes towards killing innocent Iraqis, innocent Americans, and who knows what other evil. I am so ignorant of tax law, but I believe taxes are taken straight out of payroll so you don't really get a choice, or someone please correct me if I am wrong about taxes in the usa. then you also have to pay taxes on interest earned from money in the bank accounts, etc.

All this tax stuff is a bit over my head. I really need to get educated about it. Any tax experts here???

cruise4

11-08-2007, 04:56 AM

Have a look at this thread. Start on Page 2:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6887&highlight=cruise4

That will give the basics. Takes a bit of looking at this stuff before it starts to sink in. Well it did with me anyway.

And watch the video here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7480

carlg1212

11-08-2007, 05:00 AM

Hello, people.

If you have a plan or ideas - let's see it.
Let's see if it can work...

This is serious discussion. So, no spam and dull statements, please.

Love. Unconditional love.

auron

11-08-2007, 05:12 AM

http://www.visualbliss.co.uk/gallery/artwork/images/magic%20mushroom%20picture.jpg

Like that. :)

oceanwave

11-08-2007, 07:29 AM

Sorry kids. A lovey-dovey attitude and vague pseudo-philosophy is not going to magically make them disappear.

Let's come back to reality and practicality for a moment here. It does start with yourself -- reach for your potential, become a powerful human being. I recommend things like:

Physically -- fasting, nutrition, fitness
Mentally -- NLP/hypnosis
Spiritually -- energy work, astral projection, lucid dreaming, remote viewing, etc
Skills -- wilderness survival, marksmanship and the tactical use of firearms, etc

Work on yourself. Group with others who also do the same. Prepare.

Read the Art of War. Gather intelligence.

When the time is right, we make our move. There's not much time left.

surprised at the flak azure's been getting for this, as it makes sense...

tho i am not sure about the firearms thing, but each to their own

the rest is spot on...

...consider this from "Art Of War (http://www.religiousworlds.com/taoism/suntext.html)" by Sun Tzu...

"By applying the art of war, it is possible with a lesser force to defeat a greater, and vice versa. The secret lies in an eye for locality, and in not letting the right moment slip. Thus Wu Tzu says: 'With a superior force, make for easy ground; with an inferior one, make for difficult ground.'" - Chang Yu

pretty sage advice for any situation esp if some of azure's "points" are applied wholistically or wholly (take your pick)

john white

11-08-2007, 08:30 AM

oceanwave

11-08-2007, 08:49 AM

We have already won...

When we cease to struggle we become like water, grace and power and we begin to flow down the river of life to our destiny.

The more "they" struggle to impose power, the more they wake the masses up, the double-edged sword shall be there demise.

Return to a state of grace and overcome the desire for haste, this is not a race......so relax, kick back and give our brothers and sisters some slack, we ARE going to take this world back.

reminds me of bruce lee, who said...

"Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves.

Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend."

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2167/bruceleeiy8.jpg

intuition

11-08-2007, 09:14 AM

notaslave

11-08-2007, 01:45 PM

history is full of dead knights in shining armour who valiantly rode out too slay the dragon, only to be burned up or become slaves to that witch they tried to fight.
If the history of mankind can teach us anything consistently, it is that fighting has only ever led to more fighting and hate becomes stronger by being fueled!
In my oppinion love and peace are the only weapons with witch to win this struggle, and compassion is our shield!

An excellent post IMO.

Also the need of the elite to regulate everything uniformly may be their downfall, as too many laws can be as damaging as too few. (Pretty sure I read something similar in the Tao many years ago)

I refer to the recent "ladders may topple Big Brother" post I made, where CCTV cameras (30 I think) cannot be installed because a council does not have enough people trained in how to climb a ladder (Health n Safety laws)

Their own laws can bite them, the people have no need to.

The more laws and restrictions there are,
The poorer people become.
The sharper men's weapons,
The more trouble in the land.
The more ingenious and clever men are,
The more strange things happen.
The more rules and regulations,
The more thieves and robbers. the tao

cruise4

11-08-2007, 03:36 PM

If we had a fair money system loans are sometimes desirable for a sensible business startup, but I take your point in general. But there's another aspect to their ownership, and its the law and how it relates to us being made into slaves upon birth registration. I haven't got my head around this yet as the relevant post only appeared last night. My initial impression though, is this is the other pillar that must fall to break their hold.

anoninnyc

11-08-2007, 05:00 PM

Not paying taxes is all very well, but not really so relevant, and ultimately easily solvable by not earning money, past ones absolute needs, but the real shit kicker is not taking out loans

Owe them nothing = "their" hold is nothing

well i have mastered that then. however, as much as my ego would love to agree with you, i do fear that my tax money is what allows the nwo to go on. as i have said i am american, and my tax money goes towards paying off the interest only of the national debt (payable to the federal reserve- in my opinion the true head of the illuminati) and paying for a senseless war. how is this not relevant?

baron von lotsov

11-08-2007, 05:39 PM

Hello, people.

If you have a plan or ideas - let's see it.
Let's see if it can work...

This is serious discussion. So, no spam and dull statements, please.

This is where I invest my efforts.

http://forum.no2id.net/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=fa351f5f46240649410fb1d5189d2d6b

It was faltering a bit to start with but now it is going strong. It has not been infiltrated; people here are far too smart for that.

The plan is to get a national refusal of ID cards underway. If only 1% of the population takes it up then that's almost half a million people. The current prison capacity is about 80 000 in the UK and it is full to capacity. I see some big fingers being stuck up at the Illuminati and their agents. Can we muster 1%? Well the internal government estimates published a while back stated upto 15 million will refuse. Here is me to make sure we deliver.

kblood

11-08-2007, 07:31 PM

As the thread started out saying, we cant "defeat" the "Illuminati". They are more of a concept and ideas than actuall people. A word we use to put all conspiracy theories into one, and a word to spread fear about what we might learn if we ever tried to study them. The Illuminati probably knows they are walking within the boundaries set for them, in a timeline, and therefore rarely do much to "shake" the balance of power. There are always people who squable over their petty existances, like you and me ;), but we always come back the the facts that a fortune teller tells us. That we can try to see our own future, but by seeing it we might therefore change it, if we dont like were it is going... but by seeing the future we might also change it even though we didnt want to...

So for all our astral travelling, mindnumbing experiences, wild adventures and boring lives we still end up being able to smile about it all :) That is one of the certain truths I believe in, and try to make others know about.

baron von lotsov

11-08-2007, 07:44 PM

As the thread started out saying, we cant "defeat" the "Illuminati". They are more of a concept and ideas than actuall people. .

You are so unaware it is quite amazing. First off this thread did not start out saying that, it was asking for practical methods that work. Now if you think they are not real then you might as well piss of, buy the tee-shirt and stick with your 9-5 selling insurance policies. Others on here, including December, are serious about it. There is no place for people like you in an opposition movement, they have got to you and you are simply displaying a defeatist attitude and propping up the status quo.

anoninnyc

11-08-2007, 08:23 PM

john white

11-08-2007, 08:38 PM

As the thread started out saying, we cant "defeat" the "Illuminati". They are more of a concept and ideas than actuall people. i respectfully disagree. i think that the federal reserve bank is the head of the beast. Let's start there...... they are just a bunch of scumbag bankers...... and they CAN be defeated. They would like us to believe that it is a hopeless battle, but they are very vulnerable.

The point is that the illuminati as we understand them today are a symptom: not the disease: they are a symptom of what happens when a number of factors come into play over a long time, cheifly disconnection from each other and out of harmony with creation around us. Kick 'em all out today but fail to address the cause of that symptom and it will re-manifest sooner rather than later. I'm all for bringing down the power structure as it is now but we have to understand that YES, the illuminati ARE a way of thinking

You are so unaware it is quite amazing. First off this thread did not start out saying that, it was asking for practical methods that work. Now if you think they are not real then you might as well piss of, buy the tee-shirt and stick with your 9-5 selling insurance policies. Others on here, including December, are serious about it. There is no place for people like you in an opposition movement, they have got to you and you are simply displaying a defeatist attitude and propping up the status quo

Utterly typical of you: and nice one siding with the racist for your own advantage. You oppose the illuminati becuase they remind you to much about yourself Baron

This is where I invest my efforts.

http://forum.no2id.net/viewforum.php...b1d5189d 2d6b

It was faltering a bit to start with but now it is going strong. It has not been infiltrated; people here are far too smart for that

As is this: utterly LOLsome! This is simply a belief that you hold. Where DOES the cash for those 10K at a time full page newspaper adverts come from Baron?

Not paying taxes is all very well, but not really so relevant, and ultimately easily solvable by not earning money, past ones absolute needs, but the real shit kicker is not taking out loans

Owe them nothing = "their" hold is nothing
well i have mastered that then. however, as much as my ego would love to agree with you, i do fear that my tax money is what allows the nwo to go on. as i have said i am american, and my tax money goes towards paying off the interest only of the national debt (payable to the federal reserve- in my opinion the true head of the illuminati) and paying for a senseless war. how is this not relevant?

I'm not saying its easy... but they can only tax what you earn... that can be minamalised. Don't forget you Tax money does NOT pay for the War... that was paid for at a stroke of a pen before you even got up to go to work. your Tax money is about CONTROL: controling the available energy (manifested as "money") that you have to break out of the system. if you can be kept too busy and too stressed to even think about what you want to think about, let alone do what you want to do, you are in the box. Its a rigged game and House always wins, so best thing is not to spin the roulette wheel in the first place and go around them. Anything you can do for exchange of any kind, anything at all, is increasing your liberty and decreasing your dependance... and then theres schemes like free cycle, which are absolutely awesome and save you $1000's in one year: grow your own food: make your own art: engage with your own community. All things the Illuminoids are not happy about, and via principles like the LOA and following intuition, can have amazing results

anoninnyc

11-08-2007, 10:17 PM

Thanks for that brilliant post John White. You sound like a beautiful human being.

Anders Lindman

11-08-2007, 11:20 PM

The Illuminati will bring themselves down. One of their major schemes is usury. They have their money work for them. They make money out of money. It's the path of the dark side, and that's why they worship symbols such as an owl. Usury in the form of charging interest. Usury in the form of owning shares in companies, so they become 'shareholders'. And all the business managers prostrate before the shareholders, and repeat the mantra: "Our goal is to satisfy our shareholders' demands", and all the while, the shareholders, who themselves don't have to do squat, let the business leaders and those below them work as slaves for them. Money out of money, without having to do the work themselves, that's usury, and that is one of the key factors that will bring them down, because vampirism like that will bring down the very shaky foundation they are standing on. :cool:

Anders Lindman

12-08-2007, 12:34 AM

I must admit that in the past I had the same Illuminati mindset and wanted to trade on stock markets to make money out of money. My 'money mind' was telling me that that was something to strive for. Or, when working for a certain company, that to be given small scraps of shares in that company as an employee benefit was good for me. But alas! Those things are not good at all. Not only are they of exactly the same usury mentality as the Illuminati use, they are even worse than that, because there is very little chance that I actually will make any profit out of it, because I am at the very bottom of the pyramid scam. So it's a very sad thing indeed, and a path straight into the dark side. The good thing is to see that: "It's a piece of shit! Just walk away" :D

Anders Lindman

12-08-2007, 01:04 AM

People will come to understand that owning shares, investing in funds or any other form of usury will always be a losing game for them, because usury, although a simple con game, has been going on for a loooong, long time and those at the top of the pyramid will always win because they control the game totally since the dawn of trade, while the rest of those in the pyramid will have to speculate more and more the further down the pyramid we go.

baron von lotsov

12-08-2007, 03:44 PM

Not buying from them is passive. Do you do anything that is active? Have you ever fought them? If you were active the answer would be yes.

E.g. my family are fighting them at the moment and winning. It is involving the highest court in Italy and using the best brief who does not work for them. You need brains to do this and I suggest a few people give it a go one day and then you lot will stop preaching infinite oneness and get down to business. I'll tell you right now you will need more than a passive attitude.

One thing that I will say is that when you do fight them and you are doing it properly you can often muster a lot of help from the 9-5ers who are too weak to fight themselves but non-the-less are keen to help you when they see you are fighting one of their battles. Once I recall an official hand me my secret files. That was hilarious, to read what the system makes of you. It said something about being 'highly sophisticated', that made me smile.

A top tip is to amass as much support as possible from the system people who are not doing their bidding. You need to create an alliance of people fighting your corner, even though some are paid by them. This tactic is tried and tested and passed off as a workable solution.

john white

12-08-2007, 03:56 PM

It is involving the highest court in Italy and using the best brief who does not work for them. You need brains to do this..

No, you need CASH

"I fought the illuminati through a court case"

Well the VALUE of that is hidden without details of what the case is about and what is going on, but its not about brains, just a bit of savvy and a stash

Therefore anyone who has a stash is more "worthy" in your eyes than anyone else Lotosv, and the rest of this forum is sneered at and called "ineffective" etc becuase they don't have piles of cash to pay to lawyers! LOL!

How "lost in Space" you are Lotosv: your idea of "fighting the illuminati" is to play the same games at the same level!

You dont even know what or who the illuminati are!

notaslave

12-08-2007, 05:22 PM

No, you need CASH

"I fought the illuminati through a court case"

Well the VALUE of that is hidden without details of what the case is about and what is going on, but its not about brains, just a bit of savvy and a stash

Therefore anyone who has a stash is more "worthy" in your eyes than anyone else Lotosv, and the rest of this forum is sneered at and called "ineffective" etc becuase they don't have piles of cash to pay to lawyers! LOL!

How "lost in Space" you are Lotosv: your idea of "fighting the illuminati" is to play the same games at the same level!

You dont even know what or who the illuminati are!

I think you are being a tad harsh with the Baron. I commend him in his action as it makes those who are trapped feel a little less so.

I hope to take part in legal action myself, in more than one area but via legal aid, as I do not have cash. Sometimes legal action draws people to look at things a little closer.

Getting people to think is a good thing.

kblood

12-08-2007, 05:31 PM

baron von lotsov

12-08-2007, 05:54 PM

I think you are being a tad harsh with the Baron. I commend him in his action as it makes those who are trapped feel a little less so.

I hope to take part in legal action myself, in more than one area but via legal aid, as I do not have cash. Sometimes legal action draws people to look at things a little closer.

Getting people to think is a good thing.

Thanks for the support.

I never read John whites posts these days, I find it too much of a time wasting exercise. I'm just focusing on practical stuff that can help people and if it works for you all the better.

Now how many of you have been following the anti-smoking evil in this country? Do you accept it or do you challenge them? Last time this cropped up I challenged them and ended up doing a sort of impromptu speech in front of the entire crowd of people at the place. I exposed the person who was implementing it as he was pretending to be anti-establishment. I floored him and in front of all his followers and he looked so stupid. The people loved it and it just takes the balls to stand on your own two feet and speak up.

Here is the man in question
http://mylondondiary.co.uk/2001/09/01-908-42s.jpg

john white

12-08-2007, 06:11 PM

I think you are being a tad harsh with the Baron. I commend him in his action as it makes those who are trapped feel a little less so.

I hope to take part in legal action myself, in more than one area but via legal aid, as I do not have cash. Sometimes legal action draws people to look at things a little closer.

Getting people to think is a good thing.

Well he hasnt tried to smear you as a Mason on the basis of his own paranoia, has he?

Lotsov has a talent for certain five sense issues and I gave him respect for it for two years, but hes utterly hopeless at the bigger picture and is himself a manipulated tool... a right wing misogonistic blue blood loving tool

And I see no reason why I should tolerate the guy claiming knowledge from ignorance any more

(Yeah its OK Lotsov, pretend you havnt just read this! LOL)

Look: Jehovah's Witnesses, the faith U can trust:

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raginggran

12-08-2007, 06:25 PM

To fight or not fight the illuminattI?
After years of civil disobedience and on a personal path to higher consciouness, my being here now is to expose without fear or any agenda the workings of the "dark side" if you will.
To sit idly by because you believe everything is as it should be is the road to ruin.
Love is the way and love will defeat but love (light) must be shone on the dark.. (an active measure not inactive)...

baron von lotsov

12-08-2007, 10:43 PM

To fight or not fight the illuminattI?
After years of civil disobedience

Come on now, don't be shy. I want to know all about your years of civil disobedience. Which ones worked and which didn't? Only by sharing your knowledge will it help others to fight these scum. Personally I'm thinking now is the time people need to get off their asses and start flexing their power. There are more of us than there are of them, they need to be taught a lesson.

raginggran

12-08-2007, 11:03 PM

baron von lotsov

13-08-2007, 12:24 AM

Protest marches and sit ins worked in the beginning, but turned into
UNPROVOKED blood baths committed by the police..see Gastown Riots.

The raginggrannies are my mentors.. Nanoose Bay and Logging protests.

The best is participating in the underground economy..:cool:

Education is what I do now.

Fair enough, although I can't really make head or tail of the Wikipedia mention of the Gastown riots. My question would be what was the protest about. I also got the idea that Nanoose Bay has something to do with military use and protest there of. Am I right or are we talking about different things because these mentions of it refer to about the 2000 time period.

As for underground economy, well apart from petrol and tobacco I can't say I have paid any government tax in my life. I get my tobacco duty free now, so that's another tax dealt with and don't tend to drive either.

Anyway, what do you expect, living in a British colony. Canada is full of freemasons.

raginggran

13-08-2007, 12:46 AM

Gastown Riot

Prompted by articles in the Georgia Straight, an alternative newspaper in Vancouver, hundreds of youths had converged on Maple Tree Square in the popular area of Gastown in downtown Vancouver in the summer of 1971. For the previous week, writers Kenneth Lester and Eric Sommer had been promoting the gathering to protest drug laws and recent drug raids in the area (Operation Dustpan). Hundreds of young people, many described by the media as hippies, had assembled in the square; some were smoking pot, others playing music or just wandering around. By 10:00am, combined with people on the street, the crowd had expanded to almost 2000. Inspector Abercrombie, who was the senior officer in charge at the scene, decided to clear the crowd after receiving false reports of windows being broken. He ordered the crowd to disperse within two minutes. When his first warning was ignored, Abercrombie ordered four policeman on horseback with riding crops to disperse the throng. They were followed by police officers in riot gear supported by plain clothes officers scattered among the crowd. Absolute pandemonium broke out. People coming out from stores and restaurants in Gastown found themselves caught up in a battle between police and youths, some of the latter throwing rocks, pieces of cement and bottles. Abercrombie quickly realized he was faced with a riot in the making.

Combined with police reports, it is possible to reconstruct some of incidents following Abercrombie’s order to clear the streets:

1. Officers on horses driving people into doorways and pinning them there while they lashed out at them with their sticks;
2. A young woman being dragged, screaming, by two officers who held her by the hair and one arm, about 100 yards over broken glass to a waiting wagon;
3. A police officer struck on the right leg, just below his knee, by a large chunk of cement. The crowd jeered as he staggered;
4. A young woman marching towards a group of officers shouting “You might as well take me too.” They took her. As they shoved her into the wagon, bent over so she was almost touching her toes, an officer shoved his riot stick into her seat, pushing her inside;
5. A young man cut down by a blow to his kidney area from a stick. As he slumped on the street a young woman knelt beside him crying;
6. Another youth held down on a parking lot and struck three times with a policeman’s stick. Still another boy loaded into an ambulance. He had a bloody bandage on his head;
7. A bottle flying out of the crowd and shattering between an officer’s legs. He sprinted into the crowd, raised his stick, but did not strike with it;
8. A man approaching an officer in a police line and asking permission to go by because he’d lost his wife. He was allowed to pass;
9. An elderly Chinese woman picking vegetables out of the shattered plate glass from her grocery store window;
10. Police horses galloping down sidewalks filled with pedestrians, scattering them in all directions;
11. Rocks, stones and bottled thrown at police by gangs of youths who roamed streets within six block of Maple Street Square;
12. Youths and middle aged men and woman dragged, lifted and thrown into the rear of waiting paddy wagons;
13. No police badges or numbers on officers uniforms;
14. Numerous groups of youths shouting obscenities;
15. Police entering shops and restaurants to grab people who ran from the streets;
16. Several plate glass window in stores smashed;
17. Pools of blood at several locations throughout the Gastown area;
18. Riot equipped police standing guard outside the public entrance to the police station at 312 Main. [Source: Vancouver Sun, 9 August 1971.]

The Gastown Riot was a product of tensions between the police and youth, particularly over the use of illegal narcotics. The 1971 report of the British Columbia Federation of Labour's human rights committee lamented the “hatred which has been stirred up against the rebellious young people in our society. ...Irresponsible politicians (most notably the Mayor of Vancouver and some Aldermen), columnists and open-line commentators continue to resort to the worst form of demagoguery which stirs up hatreds and divisions in our community.” The B.C. Civil Liberties Association was at the forefront of this debate. It was one of the only NGOs in British Columbia that closely watched police activities, and it came to the defence of youths in the aftermath of the riot. The riot also became a symbol for groups like the BCCLA which were demanding the creation of a civilian review system for public complaints against the police. A proper complaints system was a major issue for civil libertarians in the seventies, and within a decade their demands would be met in British Columbia, Ontario and several other provinces.

Further Reading

Dominique Clément, “An Exercise in Futility? Regionalism, State Funding and Ideology as Obstacles to the Formation of a National Social Movement Organization in Canada," BC Studies (Summer 2005, No. 146): 63-91.
British Columbia, 1971. Report on the Gastown Riot.

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RAGING GRANNIES' PHILOSOPHY

Let us be clear about the Grannies. We are totally non-violent, believe in only peaceful protest (with lots of laughter), work for the 'many not the few' (motto of the old Mechanics' Institute) and see our work as the spreading green branches of a great tree, rising up to provide shelter and nourishment for those who will come after us.
Grannies are best equipped to make public, corrupt things that have been hidden (often for profit). Local toxic waste sites that no-one seems prepared to tackle, asbestos sites employing young people desperate for work, nuclear waste products being dumped outside an uninformed small town, laws that affect an entire community, passed quickly with no opportunity for study. The list goes on.
The pitfalls in grannying can include acting on unverified information, crediting rumours as fact, impatience in putting forward an agenda, getting caught up in a movement without understanding the whole picture, believing conspiracy theories.
The delights of grannying include: dressing like innocent little old ladies so we can get close to our 'target', writing songs from old favourites that skewer modern wrongs, satirizing evil-doing in public and getting everyone singing about it, watching a wrong back down and turn tail and run, sharing a history with other women who know who they are and what they're about. Grannying is the least understood yet most powerful weapon we have. Sometimes, looking back, we can see grannying was the only thing that could have met the need.
From the most ancient times, the strong, wise, older women were the ones who advised, mediated and fought for what was right. Belief in the Disir or Divine Grandmothers, the Mothers of Time, is ancient and runs through all societies. The Celts listened to their older spokeswomen since they believe that Kali-The-Crone had the power to create their mountain ranges. The Malay thought there were three grandmothers, the Kari-Under-The-Earth who would cause floods if not listened to respectfully. There were the Druids who believed that the souls of old wise women lived on in the trees that surrounded them. The Norse Nanna or Anna doubled as Earth Mother. And on this Turtle Island where we live (North America), the Iroquois teach that the Woman who fell down from the sky was the Mother of All. So their older women are the clan mothers who guide all decisions.
What an inheritance. And what a history of trouble-raising when not listened to. Even in our times, we grannies have raised a few mountains, caused a few floods.
What do you need to be a granny? A sense of humour and an ability both the be objective and to compromise when working with others. Willingness to make noise. An open heart to learn something new. No singing ability. Passion. Joy. Delight. No colour sense, obviously. A friendly disposition. Kindness. Scientific curiosity can't hurt. Maybe a sense of history and our place in it. There is so much more to be written on being a granny by those yet to come.

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Nanoose Bay has a US Nuclear Sub Station (in Canada) which has been the site of ONGOING protests since the 70's...pages on google re this.

carlg1212

13-08-2007, 01:04 AM

The Illuminati will bring themselves down.

I don't think so. We've allowed 'them' to rise to and stay in power. We can bring them down. But this means getting about 5 billion people on our side.

They will protest, because this means giving up Britney Spears, MTV, stupid ass TV shows and music and society, etc.

baron von lotsov

13-08-2007, 02:15 AM

It's hard work fighting them. People seem to think it is easy but the protests that appear easy are only because it is the kind of protest they have set up. When you protest and get no coverage on the BBC you know you are not doing something system orientated. Too much is infiltrated anyway. I went along to the anti globalist protests in London and most of the people there were Commie students completely indoctrinated in the likes of Karl Marx, Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin. You name it they believe it and it became very clear to me what the sort of protests the BBC were promoting were really all about.

The real rebels these days are right wing or at least the establishment label them as such. They make out the right wing is all about law and order and exploitation but most just want a small state and low taxes and less government interference. The Illuminati are always into large corporate markets that are fixed, the right wing want a free market where there is fair competition.

I do think that this is a good point to base things on because if this Socialism scam is unearthed we will gain power by it. Everyone can help, one of the easiest things to do is to always support your local independent businesses and never buy from corporate supermarkets. We still have the power of the money in our pockets and this is a good weapon to use against them. It needs mass cooperation though and the number of hippies I see around here with supermarket bags just leaves me in despair. Often it is the old folk who are the wised up in this town and always buy stuff from local people. If everyone did that the money would circulate in the local economy and not get siphoned off into the system. How many give to Illuminati charities? That's another bone of contention for me.