Knife crime situation in the UK

[thankyoudave]

Do you guys think they're making a mountain out of a molehill with all these reports of knife crime being "out of control" on the UK streets?

Ministers will take "any legislative measures" necessary to tackle knife crime, Gordon Brown has insisted.

Speaking on the final day of the G8 summit in Japan, the prime minister said it was "completely unacceptable" for young people to carry knives.

"We will consider any new legislation that is necessary to get knives off our streets," he told reporters.

Tory leader David Cameron wants anyone caught carrying a knife without good excuse to expect to go to prison.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7497098.stm

Dont get me wrong when I hear about young kids being stabbed to death I do feel sad for the person (usually a male) who ends up dieing over some trivial matter but is it really any different now compared to past years?

[bernardsmith]

Do you guys think they're making a mountain out of a molehill with all these reports of knife crime being "out of control" on the UK streets?

Absofuckinglutely. This REEKS of problem-reaction-solution, and it's not a nice smell. :mad:

[clozaril]

yeah i agree, problem reaction solution. every knife crime now is headline news - straight to the front page etc. i don't think it's more frequent than 5-10 ago.

how long ago was dumblane 15 yrs ago ?

[snowdon]

Recently, I was walking with my 10yr old daughter past some boys who were building a tree house. She said to me in a shocked tone "that boy had a penknife!"

I ended up explaining to her that it was okay to carry a knife. That lots of kids carried knives when I was younger. We built tree houses, rafts, dens. We whittled.

I explained to her that threatening someone or attacking someone with a knife was clearly wrong - but just carrying a knife should not be seen as wrong.

She told me that they had been talking about it in school. I told her that not everything they tell her in school is true.

I told her I didn't want her to grow up being scared of everything.

[pinkgeranium]

I am sure that the unprecedented media coverage is actually making the situation worse.

Its putting the idea into peoples minds................ and as we create our own reality collectively as well as individually, this is the result.

I have to say that knife crime has been a problem in London for many years. In 2000, I done a placement in the A&E dept of a major south London hospital and I could not believe the amount of knife injuries we dealt with. It just wasn't reported the way it is today.

Never forget, A nation in fear is far easier to rule!

[nofuture]

Crime's always hyped but like they say, the chances of it happening to you are slim. I guess the careless losing of documents is losing them so much support for ID cards that a rearguard action is required.

[cleft_asunder]

Do you guys think they're making a mountain out of a molehill with all these reports of knife crime being "out of control" on the UK streets?



Dont get me wrong when I hear about young kids being stabbed to death I do feel sad for the person (usually a male) who ends up dieing over some trivial matter but is it really any different now compared to past years?

They want to remove your right to carry knives. The end.

[cleft_asunder]

Recently, I was walking with my 10yr old daughter past some boys who were building a tree house. She said to me in a shocked tone "that boy had a penknife!"

I ended up explaining to her that it was okay to carry a knife. That lots of kids carried knives when I was younger. We built tree houses, rafts, dens. We whittled.

I explained to her that threatening someone or attacking someone with a knife was clearly wrong - but just carrying a knife should not be seen as wrong.

She told me that they had been talking about it in school. I told her that not everything they tell her in school is true.

I told her I didn't want her to grow up being scared of everything.

Good stuff.

[cleft_asunder]

I am sure that the unprecedented media coverage is actually making the situation worse.

Its putting the idea into peoples minds................ and as we create our own reality collectively as well as individually, this is the result.

I have to say that knife crime has been a problem in London for many years. In 2000, I done a placement in the A&E dept of a major south London hospital and I could not believe the amount of knife injuries we dealt with. It just wasn't reported the way it is today.

Never forget, A nation in fear is far easier to rule!

And the REAL solution to all this supposed knife crime? Let's INCREASE the amount of knives that people carry, so that criminals will be scared to unleash their knives in public. Problem solves. Taken a step further, let's re-arm the British population. Set up cheap training courses for knives and/or firearms, and allow concealed carry. Problem solved.

But it's not about solving the problem, it's about taking away your ability to defend yourself. The Brits are such suckers. They've watched too many British shows portraying the "proper" bourgeois English household, none of which even casually mention a firearms in the home --that would be barbaric and unethical!

[freespark]

Recently, I was walking with my 10yr old daughter past some boys who were building a tree house. She said to me in a shocked tone "that boy had a penknife!"

I ended up explaining to her that it was okay to carry a knife. That lots of kids carried knives when I was younger. We built tree houses, rafts, dens. We whittled.

I explained to her that threatening someone or attacking someone with a knife was clearly wrong - but just carrying a knife should not be seen as wrong.

She told me that they had been talking about it in school. I told her that not everything they tell her in school is true.

I told her I didn't want her to grow up being scared of everything.

Well done. I applaud this...:)

[monkfish]

A mate of mine was stabbed in the face 23 times and once in the throat,he died f course,this was 13 years ago. I had a knife pulled on me at school ect ect.
P.R.S of the highest order

[thirdwave]

First of all I think most of the knifings are due to gang kids who go around fighting and one mate beats up his mate so he gets it....yadda yadda...

then every now and then 1 in a million you get some drunk kid who might stab somone because he is drunk (which has gone on for years)...and all of a sudden its the youth gone wild!...ok its bad and needs addressing, but its not as if our youth have turned into Orks from Lord of the rings and are roaming the streets....

its fear fear fear... and that is why most kids have knifes anyway because they are afraid somone else is going to stab them.

if they are so bothered why don't that pay attention to how food in schools and in general can make kids depressed and aggressive...

I see another thing they are pushing is the ressetion threat and high fuel proces and so on... and think more nuclear stations will solve it... something blair wanted a while back and it seems they are still keen on having....

they are bully bastards and will keep getting away with it until more corporate whores decide to speak out or people start thinking for them selves.

things are speeding up all right and im not happy with the way the people in this country have still got their heads down...

But the elite can smile for now....while they dig their own grave....

[sorath]

People have always killed each other with knives. The fact that it is reported in the media makes me wary in the first place. Whenever I see/read a news report I will always ask myself who actually benefits from that news report. I agree that there are alot of supposed hard nut kids on the streets of the uk but I think the media likes to deliberately exasperate situations so that people are outraged and scream "something has to be done" and therefore are willing to hand over more and more civil liberties to an ever expanding tyrannical government. Children are an easy scapegoat when it comes to violent crime because nobody ever asks them what they think or what the streets are like for them.

Its not a new phenomenon at all. I grew up in London and Belfast as a child and seen my fair share of kiddie crime that involved weapons.

I watched the brainwashing broadcast for a few minutes on channel 4 and wondered why cherie blair calls herself cherie booth? She is married to tony right so why does she get to choose what she calls herself when it suits her? Just wondering.

[thirdwave]

I just see more violence being put into our contiousness.... I watch Rambo the other day....

it had it all...it was like no holds bard... kids being stabbed and thrown in fires... legs and arms all over the place... women being raped.... boys being raped....


also another film I saw (cant rem name) and a young 7 yo boy, was chased.... the sward was raised... and the next scene the father finds the dead boy...

this never used to be the case... it was always kept out as it was so negative and not really needed..... and the simple fact it was left out was a gesture in its self....

But today it is pushed right in your face.... CHAOS ...ORDER OUT OF CHAOS

I feel the heat is starting to really turn up, and its because they want people on that fear frequency....

its like how Icke put it once.... if you get two violins making a note and put another in the centre, the one in the centre would starts to make the same note even though it is not being played because of the vibrations.......

people have got to learn to prevent those 2 violins from making them play the same note...

[diggers_1]

They now want a live 8 concert for knifes


Bigs Up Boris' CredentialsCheryl Smith
July 10, 2008 12:39 PM


The Evening Standard has a great spot today.

Singer and tabloid 'darling' of the moment Lily Allen has written on her Myspace page that she wants to organise an anti-knife crime concert - with the help of Boris Johnson.

She writes: "Please can everyone stop stabbing each other in the UK.

"We need to have a knife amnesty, we should put on a big concert to raise awareness and stop the violence. Boris, if you're listening, call me man!"

Over at the London Mayor's office it seems Boris is "encouraged" to hear the singer is speaking out against violence... but doesn't go as far as saying: 'That's a fabulous idea Lilleth, let's do it!'

It's a commendable suggestion by Lily, but do these kinds of concerts actually make any difference anymore?

I'm just about old enough to remember Live Aid and the impact it had back in the 80s... but what about Live 8?

[nofuture]

If it's in London, there'll be stabbings.:D

[truthseeker1980]

To be honest yes the media is hyping it up and yes it is P-R-S

BUT

The amount of kids being murdered HAS shot up it's already 18 or 19 kids so far this year in London and last year that was the total under 20's murdered for the whole year, so to be fair yes they are hyping it up to cause fear but it is also a growing problem.

I have recently been thinking about reasons there is such a violent culture within the youth of today. Like others have said yes it's always been violent but when i used to get mugged or threatened, the knives were usually just for show, so what's happened over the last 10 years to encourage kids to actually use these knives and have no respect for another persons life?

The best reasons which a lot of my friends agree with is like Thirdwave said violence and fear is being implanted into our conciousness. As a kid in the 80's-90's I grew up playing Pacman, the Mario bros, street fighter and alike.

As I got to the age of these rudeboy kids and many like me, wanted to go raving and get loved up, listening to repetitive music, dancing around darkened rooms, munching pills, now does that not sound like Pacman? YES subcoinciously maybe the game conditioned us to act that way.
If i go to a rave now they are nothing like they were 10years ago, they are full of kids walking round with attitude, no-one is your friend and if you look at someone the wrong way you are likely to get confrontation.

Now look at the games the kids grow up with now, yes I play them too, but I am not so easily brainwashed or led. GTA brilliant game love it, but a kid born in 1994 will only have played these games and naturally sub-consiously thinks that's the way to act, so I agree it is a P-R-S but it also looks to me as if it's also pre-conditioned programming of the youth.

We on here are always talking about mind control, why does no-one put two and two together coz something is making these kids think another persons life is nothing.

[edelweiss pirate]

if they are so bothered why don't that pay attention to how food in schools and in general can make kids depressed and aggressive...

Food in schools is actually very good these days.

You can eat very healthily at school... or not. They have the choice.

Many kids actually do eat salads now and some schools have seriously nice deli counter style salad bars. Plenty of pasta dishes and very tasty vegetarian food. You'd be surprised. Teachers and staff and even kids are sooo aware of the benefits of healthy eating. It's better now than ever.

Also it's more a question of what they eat out of school and the things they bring into school. Fizzy drinks are the main problem. Red Bulls and sugar rush colas, brain rot aspartame tonics....

It's the parents. The schools are doing the best they can.

[steevo]

I think that this all about bringing in "stop and search". It gets people USED TO THE IDEA of being stopped cos eventually they plan to stop us and say "papers please".

Also, this could bring in draconian laws that mean people go to jail for long periods (particularly for dissidents ?). They could search our homes if they SUSPECT we have a knife (which we ALL have) in the the same way that they can currently do with guns. It wouldnt surprise me if there was an amnesty on knives and after the amnesty they would bring in the draconian laws for anyone owning a knife. These are MY THOUGHTS on this.

[Ian2day]

It will be interesting to see if there is a song released called Guns and Knives.

[pduffy4]

yeah i agree, problem reaction solution. every knife crime now is headline news - straight to the front page etc. i don't think it's more frequent than 5-10 ago.

how long ago was dumblane 15 yrs ago ?

i think 1997

[knockoutgorilla]

They say that they want to end knife crime and violence,so they bring in more CCTV and more police on our streets.

In todays Scottish Sun newspaper theres an article about three youths who smashed a guys skull in by punching and jumping on this head.

Can anybody guess what there sentence was for his horrific crime?

240 hours community service,and they tell us that the cameras are there to protect and bring to justice criminals.

What a joke our country is!

[whitenight639]

They say that they want to end knife crime and violence,so they bring in more CCTV and more police on our streets.

In todays Scottish Sun newspaper theres an article about three youths who smashed a guys skull in by punching and jumping on this head.

Can anybody guess what there sentence was for his horrific crime?

240 hours community service,and they tell us that the cameras are there to protect and bring to justice criminals.

What a joke our country is!

the poor guy who got killed might not have been if he had a big massive scary knife!

CCTV is a passive system- its just a camera, how can people actually think they can 'protect' them, if you were bieng robbed or beaten up they would have done it by the time a peace officer got to you.

[whitenight639]

Recently, I was walking with my 10yr old daughter past some boys who were building a tree house. She said to me in a shocked tone "that boy had a penknife!"

I ended up explaining to her that it was okay to carry a knife. That lots of kids carried knives when I was younger. We built tree houses, rafts, dens. We whittled.

I explained to her that threatening someone or attacking someone with a knife was clearly wrong - but just carrying a knife should not be seen as wrong.

She told me that they had been talking about it in school. I told her that not everything they tell her in school is true.

I told her I didn't want her to grow up being scared of everything.

Amen

[steevo]

Amen

It's the kids that these knife crime stories are primarily aimed at. They constantly see it on tv. By the time they are adults, the fear in them will be tremendous, they will then agree to ANYTHING which is designed to "protect" them from those naughty kids/terrorists with knives :cool:
And like someone just said in a post, it all reinforces their NEED for CCTV cameras EVERYWHERE.

[whitenight639]

It's the kids that these knife crime stories are primarily aimed at. They constantly see it on tv. By the time they are adults, the fear in them will be tremendous, they will then agree to ANYTHING which is designed to "protect" them from those naughty kids/terrorists with knives :cool:
And like someone just said in a post, it all reinforces their NEED for CCTV cameras EVERYWHERE.


when i was a kid or 4/5/6ish i used to watch the news and here of the killings / car crashes/ fires and fear mongering and i used to go play on my plastic trike pretending to go save all these people, the media has a massive influence on kids.

anyway thats my embarrasing story shared lol.

[steevo]

when i was a kid or 4/5/6ish i used to watch the news and here of the killings / car crashes/ fires and fear mongering and i used to go play on my plastic trike pretending to go save all these people, the media has a massive influence on kids.

anyway thats my embarrasing story shared lol.

Yes That's exactly what the "powers that be" wanted you as a child to do. To prime you for being in the army or the police.

As a kid I watched loads of war films and I wanted to be in the army and have guns and wear the uniform. Yes I was incredibly brainwashed up until about 12 years ago. But I have to say that all my life I KNEW there was something not right about the world and I was always asking tons of questions that tended to start with the word "Why ?" much to the annoyance of everyone around me lol :D

I have ALWAYS been known all my life to be someone who always questions things. I used to be very embarrassed about it because I thought that I must have appeared a bit wierd but now I'm very proud of the way I was back then :)

[whitenight639]

Yes That's exactly what the "powers that be" wanted you as a child to do. To prime you for being in the army or the police.

As a kid I watched loads of war films and I wanted to be in the army and have guns and wear the uniform. Yes I was incredibly brainwashed up until about 12 years ago. But I have to say that all my life I KNEW there was something not right about the world and I was always asking tons of questions that tended to start with the word "Why ?" much to the annoyance of everyone around me lol :D

I have ALWAYS been known all my life to be someone who always questions things. I used to be very embarrassed about it because I thought that I must have appeared a bit wierd but now I'm very proud of the way I was back then :)


lol yer i was the same growing up i used to ask lots of stupid questions (and some good ones!) I've always thought there was more than were bieng told. I've always thought theres better ways of doing things when looking at the world and the systems we have created, so why donw we do things differently, why do people have to work really hard to earn a crust, why are telegraph poles everywhere when we can run cables underground, why do we live in seperate clay brick boxes when we could share a massive house? etc etc. :) :rolleyes:

[w1nstonsm1th84]

how long ago was dumblane 15 yrs ago ?

The Dunblane Massacre took place on March 13th 1996 (numerology alert). :(

[emanuel]

There is no more knife crime than of the past, they just show a bit more of it from time to time. Unfortunatly there are people who watch the news and think they are keeping up with current affairs!!

[danster82]

They simply want some new legislation passed so they will push the knife crime issue until its passed.

[legendary]

Do you guys think they're making a mountain out of a molehill with all these reports of knife crime being "out of control" on the UK streets?



Dont get me wrong when I hear about young kids being stabbed to death I do feel sad for the person (usually a male) who ends up dieing over some trivial matter but is it really any different now compared to past years?


i have mixed opinions because i know two people who have died because they were stabbed (this year) but at the same time i know the situations they occurred in, which have been ommitted from the news or even directly lied about.

at the same time 19 deaths out of a population of 10million in London is pretty small if you think about it. the media have just jumped onto the bandwagon because this is the new problem being hyped up in order for them to undermine our freedoms. for example the new stop and search laws passed in order to prevent terrorism (you can stop and search based on appearance and you need no valid reason) within months of their passing are being used across London specifically targeting youths with the intention of preventing knife crime (i've been stopped at least 10 times since the law was passed less than 4 months ago) and they don't just use a metal detector this is a full search going through my pockets feeling inside my socks making me turn over the lining of my boxers followed by a thorough pat down.. as if not beeping through a metal detector wasn't enough to prove my innocence.....

[redman]

I think we all know the media attention it's getting is going to lead us to somewhere. I seen them reporting on a stabbing in London in the national tabloids and it was not even a fatal stabbing.

As if they would be reporting that shit in the national news papers a couple of years ago.

Anyway, you know the public have already eat this shit up and will passively give up their liberty's when the time comes.

So predictable.