Telling family and parents. HARD WORK but worth it

[21_12_2012]

Since I started to 'wake up' several years back, I have been researching and finding out stuff, like many of you on here have.
When I finally started getting the picture of what really has been going on, the manipulation, control, all of it...I went through a phase of wanting to shout it out and tell everyone, mainly my closest relatives.
It was a hard time, VERY hard time.
I started with my mum and dad and sister.
They had heard of David Icke, and the immediate response was "he's a nutter". This is due to that time he appeared on the wogan show on BBC1 in the early 1990s, and was ridiculed for his beliefs.
I had a VERY hard time trying to get my mum and dad to watch Secrets Of The Matrix, but, I persisted, and my dad eventually watched it all, all 6 hours of it.
I asked him what he thought, and basically all he said was "he is a good talker, I'll give him that"
So I asked him what he thought about his theories and stuff, and he was half laughing as he commented on Icke's theories, saying "how can he prove any of this..he can't...and the reptilian thing is just ridiculous"
Anyway, after many lengthy conversations and arguments with my dad about this, I left it for a while and got my mum to watch it.
My mum managed to watch 10 minutes of it, and said "I don't like people preaching at me..I don't like the way he comes across"
I was gutted, and said "mum, if you knew the truth of what's happening in this world, and wanted to tell people in the best way possible, you wouldn't whisper it would you? You'd want to SHOUT it to wake people up"
She disagreed, and basically my mum and dad thought there was something wrong with Icke, and with me for listening to him. They called me all kinds of names BRAINWASHED...GONE IN THE HEAD LIKE DAVID ICKE....stuff like that.
They even said at one point "it's all negative, we don't want to know. We've got our lives and we're happy, we don't need this depressing stuff"...and I would reply by saying "you mean you don't want to face the truth...you're hiding from the truth...you're brainwashed not me"
It was a bad time for me and my family, and it lasted for several months.
BUT (here's the good part haha) I PERSISTED with them both.
I told them things that I knew they wouldn't be able to argue with me about, and things that were going to happen in the future (ID cards...increased surveillance....microchipping becoming advertised more and more, increased FAKE terror to advance the illuminati agenda, the faults in the 9-11 story, and the 7-7 story, additives in foods....the stuff that people can't really argue against.
Anyway, I sort of shouted at them both in a "you'll see as time goes on" kind of way....and I kept at it every time I found out some more information that couldn't be argued with, I would tell them, and put it into their mind for future reference.
All this time, for months and months, they were thinking something was wrong with me mentally !
Most people would have given up, and not bothered to carry on any further, but I kept on.
The good ending is this:-
Now, my mum and dad (and sister to some degree) realise that some of the things I have told them last year and the year before, are actually happening, and increasingly so. And the official stories of 9-11 and 7-7, I think they now know that it's all bullshit. It is taking time for them to 'fully awaken' but, I think anyone can do what I am doing. My mum and dad are in their 60's now, and can be very stubborn minded, but I am pleased that I am finally making them see what is really going on, and I would advise anyone to do this, but maybe not in the way I started off (by shouting it out and arguing).
It does take time, maybe it will take a year, but you'll feel a lot better when you see the ones you love finally seeing the truth like you do. I look at it as a great achievement, because my family are the people that matter to me most, and I want them to see the truth, and they are seeing it, right now !

[bookini]

When I first found out about the 9/11 truth I reacted exactly the same way, I wanted to shout to the world and share what I knew to everybody. I managed to share my knowledge with my family by making them watch Loose Change which wasn't that difficult. However I made a complete ass of myself at work trying to tell people what I knew, I was so passionate that I just made myself look like a conspiracy nut! It was so demoralising.

From that experience, I am now older and wiser. I've realised that people don't listen if you shout at them, you have to use more subtle and covert means to gently ease them in, otherwise it's too much for them take. And since awakening to Icke's work, I know now that making a 'song and dance' about it will not work (even with my best intentions!) I think even my family although accepting of the 9/11 truth would be critical of Icke's work but i'm working on it! :)


baby steps,...baby steps

[21_12_2012]

When I first found out about the 9/11 truth I reacted exactly the same way, I wanted to shout to the world and share what I knew to everybody. I managed to share my knowledge with my family by making them watch Loose Change which wasn't that difficult. However I made a complete ass of myself at work trying to tell people what I knew, I was so passionate that I just made myself look like a conspiracy nut! It was so demoralising.

From that experience, I am now older and wiser. I've realised that people don't listen if you shout at them, you have to use more subtle and covert means to gently ease them in, otherwise it's too much for them take. And since awakening to Icke's work, I know now that making a 'song and dance' about it will not work (even with my best intentions!) I think even my family although accepting of the 9/11 truth would be critical of Icke's work but i'm working on it! :)


baby steps,...baby steps


Excellent...good to hear...baby steps is the way to do it....i used to get frustrated too much i think ! I have chilled since those days haha

[misscpb]

Since I started to 'wake up' several years back, I have been researching and finding out stuff, like many of you on here have.
When I finally started getting the picture of what really has been going on, the manipulation, control, all of it...I went through a phase of wanting to shout it out and tell everyone, mainly my closest relatives.
It was a hard time, VERY hard time.
I started with my mum and dad and sister.
They had heard of David Icke, and the immediate response was "he's a nutter". This is due to that time he appeared on the wogan show on BBC1 in the early 1990s, and was ridiculed for his beliefs.
I had a VERY hard time trying to get my mum and dad to watch Secrets Of The Matrix, but, I persisted, and my dad eventually watched it all, all 6 hours of it.
I asked him what he thought, and basically all he said was "he is a good talker, I'll give him that"
So I asked him what he thought about his theories and stuff, and he was half laughing as he commented on Icke's theories, saying "how can he prove any of this..he can't...and the reptilian thing is just ridiculous"
Anyway, after many lengthy conversations and arguments with my dad about this, I left it for a while and got my mum to watch it.
My mum managed to watch 10 minutes of it, and said "I don't like people preaching at me..I don't like the way he comes across"
I was gutted, and said "mum, if you knew the truth of what's happening in this world, and wanted to tell people in the best way possible, you wouldn't whisper it would you? You'd want to SHOUT it to wake people up"
She disagreed, and basically my mum and dad thought there was something wrong with Icke, and with me for listening to him. They called me all kinds of names BRAINWASHED...GONE IN THE HEAD LIKE DAVID ICKE....stuff like that.
They even said at one point "it's all negative, we don't want to know. We've got our lives and we're happy, we don't need this depressing stuff"...and I would reply by saying "you mean you don't want to face the truth...you're hiding from the truth...you're brainwashed not me"
It was a bad time for me and my family, and it lasted for several months.
BUT (here's the good part haha) I PERSISTED with them both.
I told them things that I knew they wouldn't be able to argue with me about, and things that were going to happen in the future (ID cards...increased surveillance....microchipping becoming advertised more and more, increased FAKE terror to advance the illuminati agenda, the faults in the 9-11 story, and the 7-7 story, additives in foods....the stuff that people can't really argue against.
Anyway, I sort of shouted at them both in a "you'll see as time goes on" kind of way....and I kept at it every time I found out some more information that couldn't be argued with, I would tell them, and put it into their mind for future reference.
All this time, for months and months, they were thinking something was wrong with me mentally !
Most people would have given up, and not bothered to carry on any further, but I kept on.
The good ending is this:-
Now, my mum and dad (and sister to some degree) realise that some of the things I have told them last year and the year before, are actually happening, and increasingly so. And the official stories of 9-11 and 7-7, I think they now know that it's all bullshit. It is taking time for them to 'fully awaken' but, I think anyone can do what I am doing. My mum and dad are in their 60's now, and can be very stubborn minded, but I am pleased that I am finally making them see what is really going on, and I would advise anyone to do this, but maybe not in the way I started off (by shouting it out and arguing).
It does take time, maybe it will take a year, but you'll feel a lot better when you see the ones you love finally seeing the truth like you do. I look at it as a great achievement, because my family are the people that matter to me most, and I want them to see the truth, and they are seeing it, right now !

Thats wonderful that you have been able to provide your family with that information and see the changes that are coming from within themselves.

[kaiser]

I can relate to this, tried to wake one of my mates up late last year. we ended up in the pub after 45 mins of watching secrets of the matrix. Most people I know at work view me as a bit wierd, a nutter. In the words of Oscar Wilde "What other people think of me is none of my dam business!" Just gota keep the baby steps going. One day I hope we'll reachthe turning point and be in the majority.

Peace

[21_12_2012]

Thats wonderful that you have been able to provide your family with that information and see the changes that are coming from within themselves.

Thanks. It really is satisfying.
After finding out 'the truth' about stuff, i found it hard seeing my closest family still 'in the dark'...watching the news.....commenting on 'world affairs'...terrorism.....all the stuff we are lied to about...and the main people i wanted to tell were them. So i made it my duty to tell them, even though i went about it in a 'shouting' type of way, i'm still glad i did it.
It goes to show, 'you're never too old to change your outlook on life, and your belief systems".....they are 63 years old both of them.

[21_12_2012]

I can relate to this, tried to wake one of my mates up late last year. we ended up in the pub after 45 mins of watching secrets of the matrix. Most people I know at work view me as a bit wierd, a nutter. In the words of Oscar Wilde "What other people think of me is none of my dam business!" Just gota keep the baby steps going. One day I hope we'll reachthe turning point and be in the majority.

Peace

I bet LOTS of people are going through this 'telling friends and family' stuff right now as we speak.
I just hope people will PERSIST, especially with loved ones/family....

[thoth]

Yea I know what you guys mean. It is very hard. ANd me personally, I don't mind talking about the strangest of the info to people, I like to challenge the way people think and the accepted viewpoints in society. I like to challenge them all. I faced alot of grief in the beginning, but it made me stronger today. I have no problem explaining any aspects of this to people, because I realize that they are 100 percent mind controlled, for the most part. I've seen how people think and I have seen aspects of the true reality behind the scenes. The reality behind the scenes makes more sense than that of accepted reality. I have no problem debating anyone about it, but only if that person is a real person, and not a robot like conciousness repeating only the official stories and can't see past CSPAN/ I leave those people out there as sitting ducks. I hate this about myself, but sometimes I just make people feel really stupid about their beliefs. I hate that I do it, but sometimes, it needs to be done. I can't help it at times. Not that I am any better than anyone, but people just say stupid shit sometimes.

[21_12_2012]

I have no problem debating anyone about it, but only if that person is a real person, and not a robot like conciousness repeating only the official stories and can't see past CSPAN/ I leave those people out there as sitting ducks. I hate this about myself, but sometimes I just make people feel really stupid about their beliefs. I hate that I do it, but sometimes, it needs to be done. I can't help it at times. Not that I am any better than anyone, but people just say stupid shit sometimes.

I know what you mean..i think it is a way of making them think about what they do believe, and realise how much they have been brainwashed without realising it....even if it seems like 'picking on people' or 'being nasty' to them.....at the end of the day it's helping them...haha..that's how i see it anyway.

[misscpb]

Thanks. It really is satisfying.
After finding out 'the truth' about stuff, i found it hard seeing my closest family still 'in the dark'...watching the news.....commenting on 'world affairs'...terrorism.....all the stuff we are lied to about...and the main people i wanted to tell were them. So i made it my duty to tell them, even though i went about it in a 'shouting' type of way, i'm still glad i did it.
It goes to show, 'you're never too old to change your outlook on life, and your belief systems".....they are 63 years old both of them.

You know thinking about your post and after reading other posts on the internet web sites when you think about it trying to tell people what is going on and what is the plan so to say, there is that much information where do you start. I think the idea of sitting down people to watch a dvd such as David Ickes is wonderful.

[21_12_2012]

You know thinking about your post and after reading other posts on the internet web sites when you think about it trying to tell people what is going on and what is the plan so to say, there is that much information where do you start. I think the idea of sitting down people to watch a dvd such as David Ickes is wonderful.

I think i should have started my family off by watching something like "loose change" or "9-11 in plane site", rather than straight in at the deep end with Secrets of the Matrix haha, but, i suppose in at the deep end can also be good, but it can also blow the mind a bit, or appear a bit too "way-out" especially for 'older people' like my mum and dad.

[daylenmichael]

I really feel like I am amongst peers on this site. I went through the same thing that all of you are speaking about. There were times when I would lose my mind hearing that I was crazy from my family and friends because it makes SO MUCH sense to me. It was really depressing at moments. Glad to hear that it is not my cross to bear alone...

It is nice to see them take their own "baby steps" towards the Truth. It is also funny to watch, with a top-down view, the paths that they choose. Some pragmatic, some spiritully based. It really is gratifying after all the drama my preachiness brought on.

:D Daylen Michael :D

[21_12_2012]

I really feel like I am amongst peers on this site. I went through the same thing that all of you are speaking about. There were times when I would lose my mind hearing that I was crazy from my family and friends because it makes SO MUCH sense to me. It was really depressing at moments. Glad to hear that it is not my cross to bear alone...

It is nice to see them take their own "baby steps" towards the Truth. It is also funny to watch, with a top-down view, the paths that they choose. Some pragmatic, some spiritully based. It really is gratifying after all the drama my preachiness brought on.

:D Daylen Michael :D

Good stuff ! I only wish it was more positive stuff that was hidden from us, because most people don't want to hear about depressing stuff whether it is truth or not.
I am finding it hard to talk about 2012 though. All i hear is "we heard all this about 2000, and 06/06/06" etc...

But i'm sure, in time, people will start accepting that 2012 is going to be very significant for us all.

[awakensong]

I guess I'm fortunate that I have one close friend locally who shares most of these beliefs with me. For some reason, on the very day of 9-11, I could see through it and said right off, "That was our own government who did that", and most people thought I was so unpatriotic or 'demonic' or something. I think my older son continues to believe it was Arabs with box cutters who drove those planes.

My friend is still very new to David Icke books, but is open to talking about all this, and most definitely believes in the Reptilian idea. Maybe more than I even do! :D I think it's more like sinister people using their reptilian "brain", rather than a race of snake-like people, but it could be a combination of both. Somehow consciousness has turned against itself, which I continue to find very baffling.

[21_12_2012]

My friend is still very new to David Icke books, but is open to talking about all this, and most definitely believes in the Reptilian idea. Maybe more than I even do! :D I think it's more like sinister people using their reptilian "brain", rather than a race of snake-like people, but it could be a combination of both. Somehow consciousness has turned against itself, which I continue to find very baffling.

Have a look on google video...type in 'arizona wilder' and watch some of her stuff...i'm sure you'll change your mind soon !

[magicmerlin]

I share your feelings on this - and as I'm sure you all agree, the very fact that we face this problem is exactly what the manipulation is all about - it's designed to be so unreal that people wont beleive it.....but some of us know it is lies.....When I met my current girlfriend, she said to after a month or so, 'I once met a guy from an online dating site....but he was crazy....he beleived the world is run by reptilian blood lines etc'...she was somewhat shocked when I said he may be right....a year later I managed to get her along to the Brixton academy to see David's presentation, and why she isn't there quite yet, you can help people in the right direction. It's strange the different paths people take to searching for the truth.....personally I got there through my interest in nutrition, where it soon became so clear that governments lie about health and disease (anyone eat 'soy'...please stop!).

[21_12_2012]

I share your feelings on this - and as I'm sure you all agree, the very fact that we face this problem is exactly what the manipulation is all about - it's designed to be so unreal that people wont beleive it.....but some of us know it is lies.....When I met my current girlfriend, she said to after a month or so, 'I once met a guy from an online dating site....but he was crazy....he beleived the world is run by reptilian blood lines etc'...she was somewhat shocked when I said he may be right....a year later I managed to get her along to the Brixton academy to see David's presentation, and why she isn't there quite yet, you can help people in the right direction. It's strange the different paths people take to searching for the truth.....personally I got there through my interest in nutrition, where it soon became so clear that governments lie about health and disease (anyone eat 'soy'...please stop!).

It is a problem, and it seems to be splitting the population, dividing us all into non-believers, believers, people who want to find out more, people who don't want to find out, open-minded, closed-minded....but more and more people are becoming 'believers' (or should i say 'know-ers') , which is encouraging.
It does help when 'somebody knows somebody else' who knows what's going on. That is surely on the increase.
I don't eat 'soy' stuff but thanks for the warning, i eat mostly organic.

[bookini]

"The Real Face of the European Union" is also a good starter on the quest to enlighten friends and family. I'm definately going to get my parents to watch this as soon as I can, as they already hold certain views and opinions on the E.U and it's a good documentary which will open their eyes more and start those thought processes rolling...

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2699800300274168460&q=european+union



I had a funny feeling of DeJa Vu writing this post! :eek:

[london_lad_84]

I share your feelings on this - and as I'm sure you all agree, the very fact that we face this problem is exactly what the manipulation is all about - it's designed to be so unreal that people wont beleive it.....but some of us know it is lies.....When I met my current girlfriend, she said to after a month or so, 'I once met a guy from an online dating site....but he was crazy....he beleived the world is run by reptilian blood lines etc'...she was somewhat shocked when I said he may be right....a year later I managed to get her along to the Brixton academy to see David's presentation, and why she isn't there quite yet, you can help people in the right direction. It's strange the different paths people take to searching for the truth.....personally I got there through my interest in nutrition, where it soon became so clear that governments lie about health and disease (anyone eat 'soy'...please stop!).

Please elaborate, i have been drinking soya milk for the last year and a half or so, because i heard that cows milk contains 100,000 puss cells on average in each litre and that in areas of the world, like asia, where cows milk is not generally drinken, cancer rates are significantly lower.

Thanks in advance for information you can give me. :)

Also, funnily enough, i am studying to be a Nutrionist. lol

[naturesdaughter]

For me it also bagen with nutrition. When my research led me to the realization that someone(s) was/is actually, actively trying to kill me/us. Also whwn 9-11 happened I too had an eerie feeling that it was a setup. Looking back I realize that was not some amazing detective work but my common sense kicking in.
I think the videos are one of the quickest ways to bring people to consciousness. But all of our awakenings are a journey, we go from epiphany to epiphany, and we need to grant those we would like to persuade the space and respect to have their journey of enlightenment also.
I like the baby steps idea too because it does offer this space to the other. I too went a little gung ho at first but the more deliberate presentation of well documented facts to dispell the most glaring lies is, I think, the best first step.

[london_lad_84]

Please elaborate, i have been drinking soya milk for the last year and a half or so, because i heard that cows milk contains 100,000 puss cells on average in each litre and that in areas of the world, like asia, where cows milk is not generally drinken, cancer rates are significantly lower.

Thanks in advance for information you can give me. :)

Also, funnily enough, i am studying to be a Nutrionist. lol

Please can someone give me some answers on this, is drinking cows milk considered by many on this forum to be a health risk?

[21_12_2012]

Please can someone give me some answers on this, is drinking cows milk considered by many on this forum to be a health risk?

It's one of (if not THE MOST) sickest, most polluted, chemical and hormone-ridden substances you can put into your body.

[seamus]

I happen to know a very ethical dairy farmer (who is finding it hard to stay in business) who takes his cows off the milk line when they are ill, and that is the only time he gives them antibiotics. His cows are "hygienically" clean, at least on their udders! No pus cells here!

He grows his own hay. The worst the cows get is a little scoop of grain once a day. That would be grown with pesticides. But other than that the milk is gooooood. and he sells it at a reasonable price. (cheaper than at the market!)

s

[london_lad_84]

Can someone please suggest where i can get my calcium from then? I am a little lost on what to drink instead, if soya and cows milk is extremelly unhealthy.

Any help given would be much appreciated. :)

[21_12_2012]

Can someone please suggest where i can get my calcium from then? I am a little lost on what to drink instead, if soya and cows milk is extremelly unhealthy.

Any help given would be much appreciated. :)

I drink organic whole milk (asda or sainsburys)
It's about 81p for a 2 pint plastic bottle of it.
I don't know how much 'bad stuff' is in it, but it tastes brilliant.
I only use milk first thing in the morning on my cereal.

[london_lad_84]

I'll be drinking organic then, unless someone has more information on this that states there's a calcium rich alternative.

[seamus]

Romaine Lettuce, leaf lettuce, sesame seeds with the hulls on, and (my fave) tahini made from not-de-hulled sesame are all very high in calcium. IIRC, Romaine is higher weight-for-weight than milk.

just bury me in tahini... I'll find my way out.


s

[i am all i am]

G'day London Lad 84,

Check out the Notmilk website.

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[21_12_2012]

I do not believe that starting of with David Icke is the best thing to do, I would say first delivering the facts of 911 is a good way to go. I am still trying to convince my seriously conditioned parents that 911 and 7/7 was an inside job, they are not buying it at all and I have shown them just about every piece of evidence I can think of.

But I guess I have planted a seed and in time it will grow..

Yes, planting the seeds in their mind is all you can hope for when they are seriously conditioned, like my own family were.
But, even the most 'brainwashed' of people will eventually wake up to themselves......the seeds grow in their minds....and they begin to question their own 'awakeness'.....'gullibility'......'succeptibility '.....and i think it is then that things in the world start to appear to have 'more to it' than what we are being told...that's how the awakening begins.
Try and give them proof of things that you can actually prove....like incorrect versions of the news that have been fed to us on TV and then turned out completely wrong (9-11....7/7... first two that come to mind)..or the way that the news JUMPS ON and SENSATIONALISES things that most often than not turn out to be complete bullshit or a 'scare'....(bernard matthews bird-flu crap etc)
I told my family about these tactics, and about problem - reaction - solution, and i think that stuck in their minds quite well, even the phrase "problem-reaction-solution" sticks in the mind, like a mantra ! And i suppose it helps a lot when watching the crap that passes as 'NEWS' everyday, to have this mantra in your mind.
Microchipping was hard to explain to my family, but when you give as many facts as you can, and start from as early as you can, like chipping pets/possessions/products/cars/immigrants/prisoners/volunteers etc etc then they can see that it's not just 'made-up-conspiracy-stuff', it really has happened and is happening more and more.....and it's 'conditioning' the public into accepting the worst evil that has ever been given to humans...I'm sure it's enough to wake ANYONE up over time !

[anoninnyc]

will turn closed minds off from the truth. ease them into it. 911 truth is a good start because it brings up issues that are fact from history.

[stan]

Can someone please suggest where i can get my calcium from then? I am a little lost on what to drink instead, if soya and cows milk is extremelly unhealthy.

Any help given would be much appreciated. :)

Organic whole milk is great if you can get it. because it hasn't had any heat treatment it doesn't last as long however it still has all of the good stuff in it that our bodies need and can use. The next best thing is organic pasturised milk. Since the pastures the cows feed off aren't riddled with poison no harmful poisons are passed on to us this way.:)

[roxanna]

Can someone please suggest where i can get my calcium from then? I am a little lost on what to drink instead, if soya and cows milk is extremelly unhealthy.

Any help given would be much appreciated. :)

Get broccoli. Its an excellent source. Cheers

[i am all i am]

A squeeze of lemon over the broccoli helps the body to absord the calcium more easily.

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[candygirl]

Hi,
I am so glad to of read your message because i don't feel so alone now.
I am so glad David is out there spreading the word so to speak.
I have tried to enlighten my husband but he is so stubborn he will not believe there is a 9/11 conspiracy. I got so fed up i bourght Freedom or fascism the time to choose and my husband has watched it! (He has refused to read all the Davids books that i own) The DVD did it he is still not convinced about 9/11 or 7/7 but i'll get there.
You all are right it takes time i've been married 10 years and after all that he is just starting to wake up. (I have even got him to think about the junk called 'food' he does look at lables etc) so that is something positive he has also seen V for Vendetta (result!)
What i am trying to say is it takes time yes, it is hard work yes, it can hurt yes..... but it is so worth it!
I have two children who can think for themselves cos they have not been in the school system they are home educated.... so really my husband is in a minority in our house not the other way round.
As the saying goes "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world". This is very true in our house.
So don't give up keep going and thank you for enlightening me.

[ezze66]

I am also interested in helping people wake up. i am thinking about distributing a newsletter on the streets of my home town. just a simple peace of paper with a few phrases that will "wake" people up or at least have them question some of the things that are happening in this world. maybe a few quotes from icke or hicks, or links to interesting websites.

any suggestions of quotes that i can add to this newsletter?

thanks!

take care!

[dmessick]

Slowly people around me are waking up. They say I correct them allot when they are talking of things that I'm in deeper awareness of but atleast they listen. Keep up the good everyone.

[saab1981]

Good luck to all you raising awareness about things. I have given up on my immediate family, as they don't particularly want to know, which is fair enough. I have respected this, and don't force anything down their throats. The only person I have managed to get interest is a girl I work with, and got her talking on the subject of '2012 and all that,' and she went off and did some research on the subject,and she found it pretty mind-blowing.

[cafetimes1991]

I'm not sure if I've succeed waking people up, but I have at least made them more aware of 9/11 Truth etc. Constant rain eventually hollows out the hardest stone...

[mike59271]

For me its almost gotten to the point where i want to forget everything ive come to grips with and live like my friends. Ive been practically assaulting them with information for the past couple of years and they dont want to hear it. Ive tried being reasonable and not trying to push them to hard. Ill give them websites to check out, or movies to watch but they have no interest. And they always have that look on thier face when i go off on a tangent. Sometimes theyll be a little accepting but then the other day my friend says..

"well mccain would be better for my family. But obama has some good point"

or somethign to that effect. I almost lost it, saying

"there is no difference. Agendas will be catapulted no matter whos in power"

Then they brush it off like im a loony. Its not that im egotistic, and want them to conform to my beliefs. I just want them to get engaged in this type of conversation. Even if they don't agree with it, i just want them to open thier mind to the possibilities. Thats all im asking for is open-mindedness.

[scones86]

I think most people go through different stages after they got awakened. I first read about the conspiracy in David Icke's "And the truth..." in a Swedish translation (they're extremely rare) in 2004 I think. It really took my breath away, and the world was at once a very much more interesting, but frightening place to live in. I wanted to tell everybody about it! Some month later I watched "Secrets of the Matrix" and then read "Tales from the Time Loop" and I can say, from those moments I've not been the same person in relation to myself and my enviroment. I've since then heard two David Icke speaches; one in London 2006 and the another in California 2007. In 2007 I also got to met David personally and we went up to Mount Shasta together with a documentary film crew.

Anway, it has been a hard times since then among some relatives and some friends, to accept the new me and my new ideas. But it's funny in those situations because you really understand who really sticks to you no matter what. If a former friend thinks you're a "nut" because of all this, then he/she never was a real friend anyway. Fortunately my sister and I have almost the same world view and it's really a relief to have someone to talk to how REALLY understands it.

First off I was interested in conspiracy, then the nature of the reality and now feel I like I'm caught in a bubble, I'm just waiting for 2012 in way. I think I have to read more spiritual book and to meditate more, to get totally back on my feet.

[john67]

i tend to try to 'awaken' people when i've had a few beers, which is probably not the best time. My close friends haven't got a clue and are more interested in the football scores or what a 'slut' amy winehouse is. One of them, Tommy, listens then blames everything on Labour or the jews, the other just doesn't care.

My wife and her friends have thought i was a nutter for the last 18/24 months because i have been telling them that the banks are going to fail and that they will go to the cashpoint one day and thier card won't work anymore. These people have started asking serious questions and want to borrow DVD's.

But, in this same time my anger(? maybe wrong word), has subsided as i spend more time thinking about reality and consciousness, and if everything is as i believe, internal, holographic, virtual or whatever what does the humdrum matter?

It's a funny old world.

As a good DVD to get people thinking about that sort of thing i would highly recommend any of the Ian Lungold lectures, i'm not saying he is right but i am saying that it will get you thinking about what consciousness is.

[mountainwarrior]

pearls before swine.....

i don't waste my energy 'waking people up' anymore. sure if someone wants to listen i will share with them what i know, but i won't go out of my way, and i sure as hell won't waste my precious energy trying to convince some hopelessly enslaved fool of the truth.

i used to try to wake up the family, the dog, the drunks in the pubs, the whole damn neighborhood, and the people of the planet via the world wide spider web.

those days are over. im all about me nowadays.

[mountainwarrior]

"One of them, Tommy, listens then blames everything on Labour or the jews, the other just doesn't care"

ive met a few of them. except over here in canada, people blame it on the americans or the jews. ;)

[mila]

For me, the difficult thing with this is that a wake-up call for most people around me, would be as if throwing icecold water at someone who is in a state of deep-sleep.
Is that what works? Maybe reading a book of David for the first time (which was The biggest secret for me) was -my ice-water- and I was in a state of shock for days, but now, after many books and seeing the world in a different way, there is not much that would surprise me anymore.

About throwing pearls: I feel that is true to a certain point. Like I read on another thread here, maybe not everyone is supposed to wake up, we are at different levels here....but, I will still try to 'wake up' people who I care about, in a gentle way, even though they think I'm crazy. I don't feel superior to those who 'know less'. In the end, I stil have to figure out what power I really have as an individual to change things, that is what my mother always asks me: what can YOU really do then? I notice that I have no good answer to that. I only know that waking up is the first step.

[cafetimes1991]

I've all but given up now. Though I still send my father the David Icke newsletter every week. Illegal? Woops.

[metacomet]

pearls before swine.....

i don't waste my energy 'waking people up' anymore.

I like this guy. Cool name too. And I agree, never cast knowledge upon unwilling recipients. Icke has been blessed by the nature of his fanbase growing so that people come to him and not the other way around. When he went on the Wogan show he was seeking to 'reach out' and he got rejected... once people realized he was right they came to him willingly.

This happens. And it sounds like most people in this thread have learned that lesson. Nicely done thread.

I don't agree with sharing too much conspiracy theory with people because it is more or less like talking about situations in Darfur or Africa. Bummer material, because it is true and horrific.