The moon?

[chrisstarrmovie]

The Germans landed on the Moon as early as probably 1942, utilizing their larger exoatmospheric rocket saucers of the Miethe and Schriever type. The Miethe rocket craft was built in diameters if 15 and 50 meters, and the Schriever Walter turbine powered craft was designed as an interplanetary exploration vehicle. It had a diameter of 60 meters, had 10 stories of crew compartments, and stood 45 meters high. Welcome to Alice in Saucerland. In my extensive research of dissident American theories about the physical conditions on the Moon I have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is atmosphere, water and vegetation on the Moon, and that man does not need a space suit to walk on the Moon. A pair of jeans, a pullover and sneakers are just about enough. Everything NASA has told the world about the Mood is a lie and it was done to keep the exclusivity of the club from joinings by the third world countries. All these physical conditions make it a lot more easier to build a Moon base.

What are your guys' view on this? If this is true, it is fuckin' crazy. I am reading 'The Lucid View' by Aeolus Kephas, who claims to have seen maps of underground bases on the moon. Some suggest maybe even civilizations flourishing in more than just the moon. One source said that there was upwards of 40,000 people living on the moon.

Of these planets, earth became one where the 'degenerates' went. Where they shipped away all the hard to control to let them fight themselves to death.

The 'moon project' was said to have started in the twenties, and everything we have learned about the moon is a lie.

anymore info. on the 'civilizations' on the moon?

[the seeker]

Pure fantasy. Nice story, though.

[beldazar]

I dont believe that it is all pure fantasy. There is a vid on here somewhere where the astronauts are investigating ruins on the moon, (in their spacesuits)
The other day on the telly, nasa astronauts were interviewed on a 2 hour programme, to me, they werent lying about going to the moon. One astronaut mentioned that the first thing he did was to empty his bladder on touchdown, what a strange thing to say???
I saw a video the other day where I think it was Buzz, punching a guy who said that the moon-panding was a lie, not the response I would have expected if it wasnt true!
For me, the reason he got so upset was perhaps that he had seen something there and has sworn to secrecy for the rest of his life, how terrible that must be for him!

P.S I did actually see a ufo heading towards the moon one night, saucer shaped with flashing lights

[chrisstarrmovie]

Well, if you look at the way evidence is suppressed, and how it is close to impossible for us to ever make it to the moon without the government knowing, it seems advisable to not dismiss this as 'fantasy'.

Unless, of course you have been to the moon before. Don't let your beliefs block you from learning. There is no such thing as a 'fact' in this world, only 'appearances.' The only fact that exists is the one that we don't know.

Since you 'see' with your brain, that makes it all the more confusing. Beliefs are what constrict us, once you make your mind up on anything there is always something else that you overlooked. Always. Don't believe, learn. We hold onto beliefs, they are what I refer in my upcoming book as 'crack-pipe beliefs.' We hold on to them as adult pacifiers, or crack-pipes, to help us cope with the fear of the unknown. The 'fact' that the truth may be more scarier than what we are taught, so we choose the past. Let go of beliefs, they are the lawyers of the mind, deceiving you at all costs so you will keep them around, and pay attention to them.

[astro zombie]

What are your guys' view on this? If this is true, it is fuckin' crazy. I am reading 'The Lucid View' by Aeolus Kephas, who claims to have seen maps of underground bases on the moon. Some suggest maybe even civilizations flourishing in more than just the moon. One source said that there was upwards of 40,000 people living on the moon.

Of these planets, earth became one where the 'degenerates' went. Where they shipped away all the hard to control to let them fight themselves to death.

The 'moon project' was said to have started in the twenties, and everything we have learned about the moon is a lie.

anymore info. on the 'civilizations' on the moon?

I wouldn't believe it because of this. Not saying that something like this isn't possible though.

[ericdubay]

I don't believe the American's or German's have been to the Moon. I also believe the Sun and Moon to be the same size. Check out my blog posts on "The Masonic Moon Landing Hoax" and "Total Eclipse of the Mind"

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/search/label/Moon%20Landing%20Hoax

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[hagbard_celine]

One of the Disclosure Project witnesses talked about seeing a base on the moon in a censored NASA photograph.

[gbarnard]

Since you 'see' with your brain, that makes it all the more confusing. Beliefs are what constrict us, once you make your mind up on anything there is always something else that you overlooked. Always. Don't believe, learn. We hold onto beliefs, they are what I refer in my upcoming book as 'crack-pipe beliefs.' We hold on to them as adult pacifiers, or crack-pipes, to help us cope with the fear of the unknown. The 'fact' that the truth may be more scarier than what we are taught, so we choose the past. Let go of beliefs, they are the lawyers of the mind, deceiving you at all costs so you will keep them around, and pay attention to them.[/QUOTE]



I've said this for years and everyone just gets confused and angry. I used to love when I was asked, "Do you beleive in aliens?" I would always reply, "Believe?" Why would I believe anything? To believe is to accept without exception. It always seemed odd to me. good luck on the book

[duckingdafta]

watch out the 17th peeps, your third eye is opening and if you accept it, this isn't a phase, it's permanent... apparently!. let me know if yo feel/know the difference on the 18th.

[sorath]

Maybe Hitler escaped to the moon and is there now in his jeans and pullover with a collection of fine jewish girls and jazz lp's.

[2013]

The Nazi's had working flying saucer craft during the second world war , so how far would this technology of advanced by now , remember the americans assimilated most of the german scientists and thier work after the war .Von braun made the stetement that a fake alien invasion could be used in future as well .Vedic literature also states there where buildings on the moon and other planets :D

[multiversal]

watch out the 17th peeps, your third eye is opening and if you accept it, this isn't a phase, it's permanent... apparently!. let me know if yo feel/know the difference on the 18th.

Care to elaborate on that Sir? :rolleyes:

[phildee3]

I don't believe the American's or German's have been to the Moon. I also believe the Sun and Moon to be the same size.



The sun and moon appear to be the same size,
that is, the moon's disc fits exactly during a total, solar eclipse.

The odds against this happening by chance are astronomical ('scuse the pun).

Also, the same side of the moon always faces the earth. There's not even the slightest rotation.
The odds against this happening are doubly so!

The odds against both these facts occurring naturally gives us an incredibly high statistical probability that the moon is artificial.

[dahine]

Are you forgetting the Moon is moving away from us? That being the case the only astronomical chance is we are here at a time when the moon does apear to be the same size as the sun. In the future it wont look the same as it didnt in the past.

As for the moon's rotation it was different once. Billions of years ago the moon was much closer to the earth than it is now and rotated much faster, so that over time the entire lunar surface could be seen from earth. Its just another case of thats how it is now not how its always been.

Eccentricities in the lunar orbit and whatnot periodically do bring some of the moon's backside into view, a process called "libration ".

[phildee3]

Are you forgetting the Moon is moving away from us?



No, I'm aware of that.
I was hoping someone would bring it up.



That being the case the only astronomical chance is we are here at a time when the moon does apear to be the same size as the sun.



Which "just happens" to coincide with the rotation being such that we always see exactly the same face.

Which brings in another remarkable probability -
that the moon was not only made with some purpose in mind, but for an event which is to occur during our time.

2012, perhaps?

[dahine]

No, I'm aware of that.
I was hoping someone would bring it up.



Which "just happens" to coincide with the rotation being such that we always see exactly the same face.

Which brings in another remarkable probability -
that the moon was not only made with some purpose in mind, but for an event which is to occur during our time.

2012, perhaps?

No, the two are linked.

[phildee3]

No, the two are linked.

Sorry. Can you explain?
No what? The two what?

[dahine]

Seeing as the Moon is moving away from us and at one point in the past appeared to be much bigger than the sun while it was closer it goes that at one point in time the moon will appear to be exactly the same size as the sun. That point is not now as the sun appears slightly bigger.

The rotation of the Moon is affected by its distance from the Earth as is its apparent size compared to the sun. You said it appears we only see one side but its not correct as ive said at this moment in time we see about 59%.

So we cant say the moon appears to be exactly the same size as the Sun or we only see one side of the Moon because neither are true.

[frenat]

The sun and moon appear to be the same size,
that is, the moon's disc fits exactly during a total, solar eclipse.

The odds against this happening by chance are astronomical ('scuse the pun).
The moon's disc does not always fit exactly during a solar eclipse. Because it, like any other orbiting object, has an elliptical orbit, the moon is sometimes slightly farther away. If it is farther away during a solar eclipse then we have what is known as an annular eclipse where the sun can be seen around the edges of the moon and is not completely blocked.
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=38074
http://www.mreclipse.com/Special/SEprimer.html


Also, the same side of the moon always faces the earth. There's not even the slightest rotation.
The odds against this happening are doubly so!

The odds against both these facts occurring naturally gives us an incredibly high statistical probability that the moon is artificial.

This is actually a quite common occurence in our solar system and likely in many others. The Moon is tidally locked to the Earth. Many of the Moons of Jupiter and Saturn are tidally locked to their host planets as well. Mercury has a tidal resonance with the sun where it rotates 3 times for every 2 trips around the sun. Tidal locking is a natural process. given enough time, the Earth would eventually become tidally locked to the sun as well although it is thought that it will take longer (tens of billions of years) than the sun has left (five or so billion years).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking#Occurrence

[dahine]

given enough time

That's the clue.

[true]

look up John Lear tells all on youtube

I don't really agree with a lot of the things he says, but it certainly is expanding to listen to him talk. It's very plausible that the moon was towed into orbit by somebody .... there's hundreds of stories in the ancient past about how the moon was brought into place. Some say it is the key to the Van Allen belt, to keep us and/or these ETs here in quarantine from the rest of the universe.

I would really like to learn more about this subject also. If the moon was set into place up there, isn't that super important?? :D


Since you 'see' with your brain, that makes it all the more confusing. Beliefs are what constrict us, once you make your mind up on anything there is always something else that you overlooked. Always. Don't believe, learn. We hold onto beliefs, they are what I refer in my upcoming book as 'crack-pipe beliefs.' We hold on to them as adult pacifiers, or crack-pipes, to help us cope with the fear of the unknown. The 'fact' that the truth may be more scarier than what we are taught, so we choose the past. Let go of beliefs, they are the lawyers of the mind, deceiving you at all costs so you will keep them around, and pay attention to them.

good stuff, I completely agree.

[2013]

Makes sense , my ex always said this was a prison planet .The fallen aspect of the bible also makes sense in this context (escape from new York , with Buddha -Jesus etc being sort of snake pliskin type characters ,well not quiet but you get the idea )as maybe this is where they imprisoned all the rebellious ones .Maybe the DNA was created to hold the pattern of the soul /spirit here .This is of course presuming the rest of the intelligence in the uni/multi verse's are peaceful and benevolent :D

[malkor]

Makes sense , my ex always said this was a prison planet .The fallen aspect of the bible also makes sense in this context (escape from new York , with Buddha -Jesus etc being sort of snake pliskin type characters ,well not quiet but you get the idea )as maybe this is where they imprisoned all the rebellious ones .Maybe the DNA was created to hold the pattern of the soul /spirit here .This is of course presuming the rest of the intelligence in the uni/multi verse's are peaceful and benevolent :D

I am reminded of one interpretation of Christian mythos I read some time ago which claimed that Christ's mission was to convert humanity into a peaceful tribe and when enough were converted, it would trigger the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth and basically open up the rest of the universe for humanity. This group concluded that Christ failed his mission and was recalled.

[beldazar]

I like that malkor, Im beginning to go along these lines myself! Jesus was just twisted toget us to worship the sun perhaps? Its mentioned that his b/day was 11 th sept, 911, which is why they have tried to get us to associate that number/s with fear and why freemasons hated him?? And have his skull somewhere??
I also love the vid that was on the headlines page where its said he didnt die for our sins but BECAUSE of them, makes so much sense!
AARRGGH I sound like a christian but Im not at all!

[malkor]

I like that malkor, Im beginning to go along these lines myself! Jesus was just twisted toget us to worship the sun perhaps? Its mentioned that his b/day was 11 th sept, 911, which is why they have tried to get us to associate that number/s with fear and why freemasons hated him?? And have his skull somewhere??
I also love the vid that was on the headlines page where its said he didnt die for our sins but BECAUSE of them, makes so much sense!
AARRGGH I sound like a christian but Im not at all!

Haven't heard of that. Probably not a good idea to expand this thread in that direction though since it's off topic.


Anyway to get back on topic, I wouldn't go too far in trusting anything Lear says. At one point, he says the US government was kicked out of the moon by the current inhabitants and told never to return. At another point he claims the US government has ongoing secret moon mining operations.
Which is it? Are they allowed on or not?