Dr Jonathan Reed

[hagbard_celine]

Some of you may have heard of this before, but I haven't and I keep a close eye out for stories with this subject matter.

This short vid was taken in a woodland beauty-spot in Washington State on the 15th of October 1996. It's one of the most terifying things I've ever seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySomFuWtXL4&feature=related

This long lecture by the cameraman explains in detail what happend. I think this is the real thing! The evidence is detailed and powerful, Reed himself is compelling. I know what traumatized people look and sound like and he is genuine. It's a moving story and I hope Dr Reed feels better soon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuMrKX2vdfE

[krakhead]

Are you being serious here?

That appeared SO fake! The head looks like it's made of papier mache. The 'wretching' sounds fake, if he was a terrified as his breathing suggests I really think the camera work would be FAR shakier and frankly, he'd have got the fuck out of there!

He over-egg'd the pudding I'm afraid!

[zarah]

I don't know much about alien videos but it didn't look so fake to me..at least, the cameraman didn't seem to be acting...he was breathing heavily but that's something which would naturally happen.

It was an interesting video, in any case, HC.

[who elsie]

It's certainly an interesting case and video. I think, first of all, it's impossible to really make a judgement on just a quick viewing of the original footage. you have to hear the background story, told at the lecture, too. I've only seen up to part 7 (with the footage of the creature blinking), so am going to reserve judgement until I've seen the rest of the video. Jonathan Reid certainly seems genuinely distressed in the videos and and the evidence is strong, but his filming of the alien creature and the oblong structure leave a lot to be desired, from someone who had the time and the equipment to do a good job of capturing strong images. Even the shots of the creature in his own house, after he had calmed down, were blurry and shot in poor light, making it difficult to see the features properly. And I'm slightly suspicious of anyone that says 'I deliberately made it blurred, because otherwise people will think it's faked' and 'I couldn't believe that my camera chose that moment to stop working properly' or words to that efect, as he explains why the video has so much interference and distortion on it. Maybe it's just the quality of the youtube 50th generation video to blame, but I'm not 100% convinced either way yet.

Thanx for posting tho HC

[freethinker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuZsxsp2dNU&feature=related

radio interview

[hagbard_celine]

I don't know much about alien videos but it didn't look so fake to me..at least, the cameraman didn't seem to be acting...he was breathing heavily but that's something which would naturally happen.


Yes. If you pant like that without the heightened state of metabolism caused by a REAL event then you'll quicky collapse ina fit of hyperventilation.

[freethinker]

tv interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxKS_WnfO6Q&feature=related

[romas]

Video quality to poor to see if it's a puppet etc. The blakc triangle sure was weird, edges seem kind of hazy, might be cgi.

[freethinker]

anyone interested in this subject should take some time out to look at all the video's on youtube

the video footage of the obelisk got better as he moved away from it ! The still images are of very high quality

the blood analysis showed the creature was genetically modified and was a mixture of human, turtle and wale dna

the creature later came back to life and was eventually "stolen" 9 days later along with much more video evidence

what happened to Dr Reed ? did he eventually reveal the extra evidence he had ?

[lenejento]

Strongest case I've seen.

Reed even explains how some dazed (MK?) man tried to kill him, but he managed to move the gun from his chest to his shoulder where he got shot, there's a video of the gun wounds on youtube.

There is so much different evidence in this case that is if was a hoax, it would be one damn big operation, done by someone rich or important, and for what? Most of it has been successfully debunked, when I first saw the photo evidence of this a few years ago, it said it was a hoax and I believed it (it was enough for me).

Most people don't know about it or think it is a hoax, seems like there has been a BIG debunking attempt made on this case, which makes me wonder more...

[lizzy]

Are you being serious here?

That appeared SO fake! The head looks like it's made of papier mache. The 'wretching' sounds fake, if he was a terrified as his breathing suggests I really think the camera work would be FAR shakier and frankly, he'd have got the fuck out of there!

He over-egg'd the pudding I'm afraid!

krakhead,......i do agree with you occassionally and you make me laff quite alot:D

[rishan]

hi guys, i am new here, i usually lurk on message boards but this post made me want to join and contribute :).

I am with the first poster on this one, i think the whole case is absolutely terrifying. I made the mistake of watching all those videos in the middle of the night and succeeded in scaring the sense out of myself :eek:.

Is the story quite new in the public domain because I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before? I'm usually on top of the big stories and this is probably one of the biggest ever. Can't believe this hasn't been discussed more.

Anyway, I've read both sides of the story and I'm more inclined to think its true rather than an elaborate hoax. But they say when its too good to be true it usually is...

Is there any more on this story? Does anyone know the latest?

[krakhead]

krakhead,......i do agree with you occassionally and you make me laff quite alot:D

He he! Thank you! (I think!) Well I've never agreed with you and all you do is annoy me! Sounds like the perfect marriage to me! DO you accept? :D;):p

[bill23]

picture quality was really poor. not convincing for me.

[romas]

Though just because quality sucks doesn't nessecary mean it's a hoax ;)

[hagbard_celine]

It was taken on an old VHS camcorder by an amateur operator; also the magnetic fields coming off the "monolith" caused interference. You're never going to get the best quality in those circumstances.

[romas]

I just sat through the whole lecture, well they are either some of the best actors or they really do believe in their story, I pick them as being sincere people, to sell some book would not be worth of going through all the ridicule they are going through that's for sure.
You can make more money selling diet books or some other stupid mainstream shit.

[epsom]

Hagbard celine,

I have known about this for a long time, but have only just got round to watching the whole lecture.
I have not yet seen the lecture update, but will get around to it.

Must say it is compelling, but I would have to delve into the story, Dr Reed's background etc, a lot more before I feel capable of voicing an informed opinion.

Do you know if he has undergone regression hypnosis?.

Bud Hopkins would be the ideal candidate to do the session(s).

[epsom]

Just seen the lecture updates (2002).

The presentation was very impressive. At the present time I have no reason to doubt the authenticity of the case.

[epsom]

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/reedufofraud.html


http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:SP6d920SUa8J:www.ufowatchdog.com/destiny.html+alien+destiny&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk

After researching Johnathan Reed --real name Rutter, I now conclude that this is without doubt a hoax.

Don't forget to look at all the links as you go.

Next:(

[epsom]

Another link exposing fraud:

http://www.seattlechatclub.org/Reed.html

[abaddon]

DR JONATHAN REED - THE LINK ARTIFACT - ODISEALINK.COM PART 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01_qmBtwTQk&feature=related

part 8- the artifact

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K290EyJbud8&feature=related

sience
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=afa_1209457463

Alien Technology - AntiGravity Propulsion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZFwZ3Mr3GE


SYMBOLS & SIGNALS SEQUENCES Pt. 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25zuxALJ4K4&feature=related
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9XuJunTKv4

.................................................. .................................

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb44/whatttyeahok/InsideGlyphs2.jpg

[freethinker]

looks like a case of the "Men in Black" have been leaning on people and getting them to change thier story !

I cetainly wouldn't want to get involved - credit to Dr Reed he has stood up even when people have tried to kill him and destroy his life

[romas]

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/reedufofraud.html


http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:SP6d920SUa8J:www.ufowatchdog.com/destiny.html+alien+destiny&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk

After researching Johnathan Reed --real name Rutter, I now conclude that this is without doubt a hoax.

Don't forget to look at all the links as you go.

Next:(



Some of those evidence are more ridiculous than actual alien artifacts etc.
They base upon such points as aliens neck being "not flexible enough" based on those crappy images alone.
It's hilarious, they are suddenly experts on alien fingers and neck flexibilities!
You have to be gulible or real thick headed with only one view(does not matter if its pro-ufo or anti-ufo) to believe either the case or these childish debunkers.
They took the same photo Reeds companions used to prove his education, the only thing they did was change describtion! Omg genius!

You can't mount evidence to disprove anything based on something that has no physical evidence to start with, wake up!

---------------------

Now some questions as far as this case goes, they mentioned "alliance" quite a few times as being "some business men" "their agenda is to disclose"
okkk... Smoke and mirrors anyone? If the case is real, could it still be that this "alliance" is just another face of the same force that's supposedly suppressing the knowledge?

[epsom]

This case is going into my gray basket.

On further reflection, my previous view that it was a hoax is modified.
There are still many things that do not add up.

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Dr Reed since 2002?.

What documentation is there re-lab test results etc, besides that shown on computer at the conferences? (i.e.)..paper trails.

Has a voice analysis test been done to determine whether or not the woman who supposedly worked at the bank, and who's face is blanked out, is really that of his book publisher?.

Has Dr Reed been given the opportunity to undergo regression hypnosis?.

These are just SOME of the questions that must be asked to obtain a balanced view.

Some of the replies, such as those from romas, are, quite frankly, the rantings of someone who would love it to be true. (So would I!)

This is a debating forum, and if you have views, please express yourself with decorum, and put your case in an adult manner. I will not debate with those of the intellect of a child. Which is why my question was originally for Hagbard celine, who comes over as as fair minded debater.

As I said before, some of the evidence FOR, is impressive, i.e, the blinking eye, the obelisk shown in the film to be behind foilage.

I am willing to be proven wrong on this case, but until more documented evidence shows up, this is, as I say, in my gray basket.:)

[epsom]

Just to say that who elsie's viewpoint is exactly what I am talking about.

Critical when necessary, but balanced.

Well done, who elsie:)

[romas]

This case is going into my gray basket.

On further reflection, my previous view that it was a hoax is modified.
There are still many things that do not add up.

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Dr Reed since 2002?.

What documentation is there re-lab test results etc, besides that shown on computer at the conferences? (i.e.)..paper trails.

Has a voice analysis test been done to determine whether or not the woman who supposedly worked at the bank, and who's face is blanked out, is really that of his book publisher?.

Has Dr Reed been given the opportunity to undergo regression hypnosis?.

These are just SOME of the questions that must be asked to obtain a balanced view.

Some of the replies, such as those from romas, are, quite frankly, the rantings of someone who would love it to be true. (So would I!)

This is a debating forum, and if you have views, please express yourself with decorum, and put your case in an adult manner. I will not debate with those of the intellect of a child. Which is why my question was originally for Hagbard celine, who comes over as as fair minded debater.

As I said before, some of the evidence FOR, is impressive, i.e, the blinking eye, the obelisk shown in the film to be behind foilage.

I am willing to be proven wrong on this case, but until more documented evidence shows up, this is, as I say, in my gray basket.:)




Sorry wasn't really intended as a negative rant towards anyone here, but rather debunkers. :)

[hagbard_celine]

:eek:I just sat through the whole lecture, well they are either some of the best actors or they really do believe in their story, I pick them as being sincere people, to sell some book would not be worth of going through all the ridicule they are going through that's for sure.
You can make more money selling diet books or some other stupid mainstream shit.


It blew my mind!:eek:

In the years since this came out there has been a lot of dubunking and counter-debunking. It will take a lot of research to filter all the material and come to a conclusion. But as you say, if this is a hoax then it's the most flamboyant and daring one to date.

[epsom]

Hi romas,

I apologise saying what I did.

Just one of those moments when one does or says something on the spur of the moment, without thinking.

I agree with you re-debunkers. A case like Dr Reed's needs a lot more investigation before one can come up with a definitive answer. Perhaps we'll never know for sure.

I say bring in Inspector Clousou!:)

[hagbard_celine]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb44/whatttyeahok/InsideGlyphs2.jpg

That looks like the Enochian script. It also resembles some of the crop circles.

[romas]

Hi romas,

I apologise saying what I did.

Just one of those moments when one does or says something on the spur of the moment, without thinking.

I agree with you re-debunkers. A case like Dr Reed's needs a lot more investigation before one can come up with a definitive answer. Perhaps we'll never know for sure.

I say bring in Inspector Clousou!:)



No prob :)

[hagbard_celine]

Bump. Someone's brought this fascinating subject up again.

[romas]

Bump. Someone's brought this fascinating subject up again.


Where? :o

*EDIT* nm i found, same ol stuff tho :p

[odisealinker]

DAVID ICKE FORUM THREAD FOR ODISEALINKER SERIES:

DR JONATHAN REED ALIEN ENCOUNTER/CAPTURE. OCT 15, 1996.

WWW.ODISEALINK.COM


PART 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWFDm6Ij8dQ

PART 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFnEc2pCR8U

PART 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRQhUrERmY

PART 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw4xqYTaFeo

PART 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWFDm6Ij8dQ

PART 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYpNuPnY-0I

PART 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aM8zHdJZrc

PART 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8iLI1ofMeM&feature=user

PART 9:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNg1V2_WFhc

PART 10:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxlPKlfxnbk

PART11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j31_j2op_mc&feature=related

PART 12(A):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ7b0C235ts&feature=related

PART 12(B):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsN0X_7dsng&feature=related

PART 14:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1liFTcpFKBM&feature=related

PART 15:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5p2kWmaABg&feature=related

PART 16:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glmf5wIk_Hs&feature=related

PART 17:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f387GhDXw3o&feature=related

PART 18:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY_YtbbPvZc&feature=related

PART 19:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=CpeYnyJPpfE

PART 20: FROM CONTACTOCTOBER1996:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=96puBVOrBEk

PART 21: FROM CONTACTOCTOBER1996:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=gP-0WnczDKI
DR REED ALIEN ENCOUNTER/CAPTURE. OCT 15, 1996.

[luke1721]

Looks like a pile of crap to me so some guy kills Freddie the ET and Raith calls that a contact lol he should get in the SAS. I know Bullshit when I see it I bet The Cretins are behind this one :)

[odisealinker]

anyone interested in this subject should take some time out to look at all the video's on youtube

the video footage of the obelisk got better as he moved away from it ! The still images are of very high quality

the blood analysis showed the creature was genetically modified and was a mixture of human, turtle and wale dna

the creature later came back to life and was eventually "stolen" 9 days later along with much more video evidence

what happened to Dr Reed ? did he eventually reveal the extra evidence he had ?

The alien being seen in the video that Dr. Reed captured was not "stolen".
It went back to His Own kind.
Dr. Reed is living out of the country and still doing speaking engagements concerning his encounter case that, as of this October 15th 08 will have happened over 12 years ago.
To contact Dr. Reed he can be emailed at DRREEDLINK@AOL.COM.

[odisealinker]

Strongest case I've seen.

Reed even explains how some dazed (MK?) man tried to kill him, but he managed to move the gun from his chest to his shoulder where he got shot, there's a video of the gun wounds on youtube.

There is so much different evidence in this case that is if was a hoax, it would be one damn big operation, done by someone rich or important, and for what? Most of it has been successfully debunked, when I first saw the photo evidence of this a few years ago, it said it was a hoax and I believed it (it was enough for me).

Most people don't know about it or think it is a hoax, seems like there has been a BIG debunking attempt made on this case, which makes me wonder more...



There is no person on the planet that could orchestrate and manipulate such a 'hoax' as this story, with as much evidence and witness testimony as heavy of the Dr Reed Alien Encounter. Good post.

[odisealinker]

hi guys, i am new here, i usually lurk on message boards but this post made me want to join and contribute :).

I am with the first poster on this one, i think the whole case is absolutely terrifying. I made the mistake of watching all those videos in the middle of the night and succeeded in scaring the sense out of myself :eek:.

Is the story quite new in the public domain because I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before? I'm usually on top of the big stories and this is probably one of the biggest ever. Can't believe this hasn't been discussed more.

Anyway, I've read both sides of the story and I'm more inclined to think its true rather than an elaborate hoax. But they say when its too good to be true it usually is...

Is there any more on this story? Does anyone know the latest?

Rishan thank you for taking the time to thoroughly think about all that youve seen in my videos placed on youtube. There is so much more to this story and there are many more videos placed on youtube by other members concerning lectures as well as updates. There is another series of videos concerning Dr. Reed on Rollo Otro on Youtube and I suggest you take a look at that as well.
Dr. Reed's Case came out in 1998 on the Art Bell show and was heard by over 25,000,000 million listeners, around the globe. American television has suppressed it. However other major countries and/or continents know about this case.
You can contact Dr Reed at DRREEDLINK@AOL.COM for any further inquiries.

[odisealinker]

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/reedufofraud.html


http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:SP6d920SUa8J:www.ufowatchdog.com/destiny.html+alien+destiny&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk

After researching Johnathan Reed --real name Rutter, I now conclude that this is without doubt a hoax.

Don't forget to look at all the links as you go.

Next:(


And also, dont forget to check out this video produced on youtube exposing ufowatchdog as ufowatchFRAUDS aka TRUTHDOGS...

Here is the link...

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9kacZCNqN0

[odisealinker]

Some of those evidence are more ridiculous than actual alien artifacts etc.
They base upon such points as aliens neck being "not flexible enough" based on those crappy images alone.
It's hilarious, they are suddenly experts on alien fingers and neck flexibilities!
You have to be gulible or real thick headed with only one view(does not matter if its pro-ufo or anti-ufo) to believe either the case or these childish debunkers.
They took the same photo Reeds companions used to prove his education, the only thing they did was change describtion! Omg genius!

You can't mount evidence to disprove anything based on something that has no physical evidence to start with, wake up!

---------------------

Now some questions as far as this case goes, they mentioned "alliance" quite a few times as being "some business men" "their agenda is to disclose"
okkk... Smoke and mirrors anyone? If the case is real, could it still be that this "alliance" is just another face of the same force that's supposedly suppressing the knowledge?

Great Job. If you get the chance check out this video concerning ufowatchfraud.com
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9kacZCNqN0

[geforce]

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=information&action=display&thread=3093&page=14#141730

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=information&action=display&thread=3093&page=14#141743

and

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/sys_config/reedalienneg.jpg
After initially contacting Kodak, I decided to verify the information again. Tony Edwards, a specialist in Kodak’s Product Information Department was asked about the production and marketing dates for both types of film. Edwards stated that Kodak’s 35mm 400-6 film was produced in November 1996 and introduced to market February 1997, and Kodak’s 35mm 800-2 film was produced in November 1996 and introduced to market in January 1997. Reed claims his encounter occurred October 1996, 2 to 3 months before the film was even available. It would be, of course, impossible for Reed to have taken pictures with this film since didn't exist at the time of his alleged encounter.

and

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/images/rutter%20link.jpghttp://www.ufowatchdog.com/images/Carpet%20LinerRB.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/2lu6l9w.jpg

Rutter's so-called Link Artifact, the bogus piece of evidence that Dan Iaria had the nerve to call extraterrestrial. RIGHT: The back lining from a carpet, which is obviously the same material.

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwVNHqWgK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRah-GDxhaI

and
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj4/fostervs/ruttard.jpg

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=information&action=display&thread=3093&page=10#138317

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/reedreturn.html

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/reedufofraud.html

http://aliencases.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=conspiracy&num=1201781431&action=display&start=0

http://www.charpy.com/Odyssey/Default.htm

http://www.seattlechatclub.org/Reed.html

::)

[geforce]

Hello, more proof that Rutter AKA "Dr Reed" and Odisealinker the owner of the odisealink website is the same person :)

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/revocation.html
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed50.html
This is a large file, please be patient while it loads. This document was downloaded from the King County Clerk's website. This doecument is dated 06-MAY-1998, clearly showing Rutter was not in hiding and that he has more relatives among the living than just an aunt and uncle as was claimed by Dan McEvoy.
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/images/Rutter%20revocation.jpg
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed20.html
and now look who is running the odisealink website

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=odisealink.com
http://i33.tinypic.com/2zs4t5h.jpg
Administrative Contact:
Bradley, Jr jbrmrm@aol.com
OdiseaLink
P.O. Box 16007
Seattle, Washington 98116
United States
2069370644

Technical Contact:
Bradley, Jr jbrmrm@aol.com
OdiseaLink
P.O. Box 16007
Seattle, Washington 98116
United States
2069370644
Yes, JOHN BRADLEY RUTTER J(John)r(Rutter) AKA "Dr Reed" is the owner of the odisealink website AKA Odisealinker :)...jbrmrm@aol.com j(John)b(Bradley)r(Rutter)

100% Fraud

[shabun]

rofl Is he also Blossom Goodchild?

[xpleet]

Hi Geforce,

looks like you joined us just to make those 5 posts about Reed.
Nice blow. Wouldn't be suprised if you were one of the Tavistock geeks sitting in the big room and working in the name of untruth.
I will look at those presented materials though.


Since the invasion of October14th-people it has become very clear to me that forums should be invisible for non-members.


update:


To me it looks like Ufowatchdog's pathetic deeds continue,

all they do is creating stories about how they received information through e-mails while simultanously posting pictures of Reed and friends. I yet need a reason to believe the stories presented on Ufowatchdog, and as I said before naivety is shown atlast when people believe sites who claim to exposed something when all they do is telling picture-stories.

[geforce]

rofl Is he also Blossom Goodchild?

He should be behind bars...this is a fraud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud

In the broadest sense, a fraud is a deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime, and is also a civil law violation. Many hoaxes are fraudulent, although those not made for personal gain are not technically frauds. Defrauding people of money is presumably the most common type of fraud, but there have also been many fraudulent "discoveries" in art, archaeology, and science.

Rutter AKA "Dr Reed" the main person in the hoax...odisealinker/odisealink the main promoter of the fraud(selling books, DVDs and spamming every known forum, youtube, metacafe and so on). Odiseanlinker = John Bradley Rutter = "Dr Reed" a common criminal.

[shabun]

xpleet.

Everybody here is doing nothing other than searching for the truth. Debunkers are just as important as others as they perform the challenge that forum members will not do themselves.

Also, believing in hoaxes destroys your credibility to rationalise on the more serious issues such as 9/11 and NWO

If you really want to have credibility, you should just put up your hands and say - OK, this one is a hoax. Lets forget it and move on. If you don't do that then your credibility could be questioned.

[geforce]

Hi Geforce,

I will look at those presented materials though.


Hi, just follow the links and read the material...Tavistock geeks?? Sorry but im not familiar with that term...i'm a EU citizen and english is not my primary language.

Take care

PS Btw the latest update(about the person who is running Odisealink website is my own research not Ufowatchdog's)

[shabun]

He should be behind bars...this is a fraud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud



Rutter AKA "Dr Reed" the main person in the hoax...odisealinker/odisealink the main promoter of the fraud(selling books, DVDs and spamming every known forum, youtube, metacafe and so on). Odiseanlinker = John Bradley Rutter = "Dr Reed" a common criminal.

I don't know about US law but if the guy in question has been making money out of this then I wonder, allegedly.

[geforce]

I don't know about US law but if the guy in question has been making money out of this then I wonder, allegedly.

http://www.odisealink.com/order.htm

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=odisealink.com

[shabun]

http://www.odisealink.com/order.htm

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=odisealink.com

Oh dear!!!! I hope he has good Lawyers!

[bulldozer]

SIt's one of the most terifying things I've ever seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySomFuWtXL4&feature=related

Oh my god, this felt like a cheap porn flick. Especially the sound effects, hahahaha.
So funny.
Cheap and fake without a doubt.

[abaddon]

I will have to sit down and review all related material. Kinda putting my foot in the door here.... Murphys Law, I'll probably end up looking like a tool, but here goes...

I remember seeing the vid on YT where it stated "This video has been played in Xamount of countries and replayed Yamount of times", where that famous Mexican UFO researcher and others take out the briefcase with the artifact etc.

Personally, I'll give him benefit of the doubt, because

a) He is under the wing of The Disclosure Project now IIRC,

b) It is one of the few real times we can point the finger and say "AH-HA! There is more going on than our Governments are letting on, they have knowledge and technology beyond what they lead us to believe! I knew things seemed funny, and that the dots didn't connect properly, gee even the 9/11 story isn't coherent and straightforward, let alone the Alien topic..."

Note: Discovery Science has already admitted to making UFO Saucers with anti-grav technology. Well, where is the news report about that? How much development and dosh was put into that? I have no idea, because no one ever picked up on the story in the first place.

and

c) If it really is a hoax, I'ma track him down and kick his teeth in/out/to oblivion. If he can handle being shot, he can handle having no teeth to hide a forked tongue.

If he became so 'famous', 'exposing' this stuff, and had the backing of 'specialists', then why is it so difficult chasing this material around debunking him? Even 911 has a site dedicated to debunkment (multiple, and still duking-it-out over the facts). Those family pics I find irrelevant, I'm sane and logical and have some of the most terrible and shocking pics imaginable.

As I said, I will have to review all related material. I'm not ready to call anyone a liar yet. But, someone is, and my finger is cocked and waiting....

[shabun]

I will have to sit down and review all related material. Kinda putting my foot in the door here.... Murphys Law, I'll probably end up looking like a tool, but here goes...

I remember seeing the vid on YT where it stated "This video has been played in Xamount of countries and replayed Yamount of times", where that famous Mexican UFO researcher and others take out the briefcase with the artifact etc.

Personally, I'll give him benefit of the doubt, because

a) He is under the wing of The Disclosure Project now IIRC,

b) It is one of the few real times we can point the finger and say "AH-HA! There is more going on than our Governments are letting on, they have knowledge and technology beyond what they lead us to believe! I knew things seemed funny, and that the dots didn't connect properly, gee even the 9/11 story isn't coherent and straightforward, let alone the Alien topic..."

Note: Discovery Science has already admitted to making UFO Saucers with anti-grav technology. Well, where is the news report about that? How much development and dosh was put into that? I have no idea, because no one ever picked up on the story in the first place.

and

c) If it really is a hoax, I'ma track him down and kick his teeth in/out/to oblivion. If he can handle being shot, he can handle having no teeth to hide a forked tongue.

If he became so 'famous', 'exposing' this stuff, and had the backing of 'specialists', then why is it so difficult chasing this material around debunking him? Even 911 has a site dedicated to debunkment (multiple, and still duking-it-out over the facts). Those family pics I find irrelevant, I'm sane and logical and have some of the most terrible and shocking pics imaginable.

As I said, I will have to review all related material. I'm not ready to call anyone a liar yet. But, someone is, and my finger is cocked and waiting....


Good luck with your review!! I await your view on whether the fake vomiting gets an Oscar!

[abaddon]

I will have to sit down and review all related material. Kinda putting my foot in the door here.... Murphys Law, I'll probably end up looking like a tool, but here goes...
someone is lying, and my finger is cocked and waiting....

I await your view on whether the fake vomiting gets an Oscar!

Roll out the Red Carpet!!! and gimme them steel-caps:mad:

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb44/whatttyeahok/FRAUD.jpg

[xpleet]

Everybody here is doing nothing other than searching for the truth.

Then you are profoundly mistaken.

[shabun]

Then you are profoundly mistaken.

Thanks, but I don't understand what you mean. Could you explain further pls.

[hagbard_celine]

Sorry if somebody else has already posted this.

A brand new production about the alien encounter of Dr Jonathan Reed. It's worth watching even if you're familiar with the story:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Fl-MsNkXY

[hold_that_thought]

I came across Dr Reed by accident on YT. You know how it is, flicking through the channels and you get midway through a film that you wish you'd realised was on an hour ago? Well I think I clicked number 6 of 12 (or whatever it was) and immediately thought 'bullshit'. I watched to the end and still thought bullshit...In the interests of level headed and objective review I decided instead to start at number one though...and got to the end, feeling now that I may have misjudged the guy. I had to google this, just to reinforce my earlier knee jerk reaction of BS! So I read bits and pieces (allowing the tongue to remain firmly in the cheek at this point) about the mans history, his career, the death of his friend, the harrasment his landlord suffered, the death of various close associates to this case. All the time making myself keep objective. If the man is lying, if those around the case are lying, then they're brilliant and should be nominated for oscars.

As a postscript...(and it could be apocryphal) someone posted an e mail to someone researching this case.. He outlined his/her own job, apparently he was a recently retired chief engineer at NASA. He retold the events of a time (I think 2005-definitely after 2000) when he and few of his colleagues were told when he turned up for work, ''go get your passports etc, you're going to Italy.''

He was told it was a conference with other space engineers from other countries but that it was totally secret and to not discuss it with other colleagues.

At the Italian conference, sure enough, there were Russians, Japanese, Chinese, French, British and other American personel. After the seminar (non specific what about) he noticed in the lounge outside the hall a huddle and excited voices over in the corner, so went over to have a look and see what the fuss was about. An individual with an intriguing pale gold/silver armband in a clear case was chatting to those around him. The individual was Dr Jonathon Reed.

It must be stressed, this might be all BS, or some of it could be BS. It's worth looking into this guys story though.. :)

[romas]

rofl Is he also Blossom Goodchild?




No this is another Billy Meyer, Blossom had nothing to back her up.

[kingmob]

This is a terrible fake. Been debunked a few times over.

[freethinker]

Sorry if somebody else has already posted this.

A brand new production about the alien encounter of Dr Jonathan Reed. It's worth watching even if you're familiar with the story:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Fl-MsNkXY


hagbard - welcome back not seen you on here in ages

[alan3333]

Hagbard i have to say i'm a little dissapointed in your enthusiasm for this :(

After watching a lot of the videos relating to this sighting some things just don't add up to me.One of the main things is the fact the Alien was meant to be something like 4ft tall?? Yet in the origional footage he is clearly the size of a small man with what looks like a mask on? If he went near the 'Obelisk' before why didn't he go near it instead of messing around far away from it? :confused: Were are the remains of the dog? The whole Void issue dosn't float with me either.

In some videos the accounts of what happend are different from one to the next and both from his own words.He sais it hissed at him when he approached it with the branch..then he sais it hissed after he hit it.

He says he hit it on the left side of the head and it went backwards...but then acts out the way it fell as going forwards and lying on it's front/side in the same breath :confused:

It's always the same with these explosive storys..like most UFO sightings the camera is all over the place and you never get a proper picture but the worst thing is, i can never really say the things 'Click' together in the way they should.

My opinion? an elaborate yet believable hoax that got out of control and no he's riding the waves to get by.Obviously i hope i am wrong.

[alan3333]

Oh my lordy....lol

Just watched part 11 and he now says it reached out of the freezer with his little hands and looked at me with big almond shaped eyes..yet in all the pics and the video it clearly has small slits which he has also said on record..what a fraud.

[simulacra]

Oh my lordy....lol

Just watched part 11 and he now says it reached out of the freezer with his little hands and looked at me with big almond shaped eyes..yet in all the pics and the video it clearly has small slits which he has also said on record..what a fraud.

The pics and videos show it with the eyelids almost closed. In one of the videos the Alien opens one eye and it looks big black almond like so I assume when he talked with it when it got better and the eyes were fully open.

I still think this is a hoax though after seeing the videos.

I've heard about this story a few times years ago but only about him confronting an alien while walking his dog in the forest and hitting it with a branch, strangely I never heard the rest or seen all these videos. Its quite an audacious story.

In his recent interview he claimed he changed his name to protect his family and friends when he came forward with this, but on an old video they're trying to prove someone called Reed was working at the University well before the claimed incident. Maybe I got this wrong but it doesn't add up.

[hagbard_celine]

hagbard - welcome back not seen you on here in ages

Thanks, mate:). But I've not been away. I'm just busy at the moment.

[hagbard_celine]

Hagbard i have to say i'm a little dissapointed in your enthusiasm for this :(

After watching a lot of the videos relating to this sighting some things just don't add up to me.One of the main things is the fact the Alien was meant to be something like 4ft tall?? Yet in the origional footage he is clearly the size of a small man with what looks like a mask on? If he went near the 'Obelisk' before why didn't he go near it instead of messing around far away from it? :confused: Were are the remains of the dog? The whole Void issue dosn't float with me either.

In some videos the accounts of what happend are different from one to the next and both from his own words.He sais it hissed at him when he approached it with the branch..then he sais it hissed after he hit it.

He says he hit it on the left side of the head and it went backwards...but then acts out the way it fell as going forwards and lying on it's front/side in the same breath :confused:

It's always the same with these explosive storys..like most UFO sightings the camera is all over the place and you never get a proper picture but the worst thing is, i can never really say the things 'Click' together in the way they should.

My opinion? an elaborate yet believable hoax that got out of control and no he's riding the waves to get by.Obviously i hope i am wrong.

I'm not so sure it's fake. I go into my reasoning earlier in this thread, but like you it's a kind of meta-analysis of all the different aspects; they just "ring true" like with you they ring untrue. We shall see.

Anyway, the plot has thickened since I last looked at this case: Hold_That_Thought mentioned the Italian conference. Well there was another conference held in Astograd, the huge Russian space centre, which was completely in-camera. No reporters, no published minutes, no official guest list. Delegates from all the world's space agencies attended and one witness claims that Dr Jonathan Reed (or whatever his real name is) was there. There's also a picture of him with three Russian astronauts, including Dr Marina Popovich, the Soviet test pilot and outspoken UFO-believer. The letter revealling Dr Reed being at the secret meeting is shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olwZYievEBc

Does this mean that there is an organized, international group working towards Disclosure?:confused: Or is Dr Reed an Illuminati plant, knowingly or otherwise.

[hagbard_celine]

The pics and videos show it with the eyelids almost closed. In one of the videos the Alien opens one eye and it looks big black almond like so I assume when he talked with it when it got better and the eyes were fully open.



According to this new video Reed claims that he never noticed the being opening its eyes when he did this intitial shoot during his impromptu post-mortem in his garage.

Whatever it is it obviously doesn't mind the cold because he kept it in his freezer the while time!:eek: This would kill most animals on Earth, except polar bears etc. It's a thin, spindly thing without fur or bulk so it must have lost heat quickly. :confused:

[hagbard_celine]

Oh my lordy....lol

Just watched part 11 and he now says it reached out of the freezer with his little hands and looked at me with big almond shaped eyes..yet in all the pics and the video it clearly has small slits which he has also said on record..what a fraud.

Were those slit-shaped eyes fully open at the time though?

[hagbard_celine]

Hagbard i have to say i'm a little dissapointed in your enthusiasm for this :(

After watching a lot of the videos relating to this sighting some things just don't add up to me.One of the main things is the fact the Alien was meant to be something like 4ft tall?? Yet in the origional footage he is clearly the size of a small man with what looks like a mask on? .

In some videos the accounts of what happend are different from one to the next and both from his own words.He sais it hissed at him when he approached it with the branch..then he sais it hissed after he hit it.

He says he hit it on the left side of the head and it went backwards...but then acts out the way it fell as going forwards and lying on it's front/side in the same breath :confused:



There are some anomalies in the report, yes.:confused:

If he went near the 'Obelisk' before why didn't he go near it instead of messing around far away from it? :confused:

It looks like the vdeo tape camera he was using started malfunctioning when he got too close; you can see this in interference on the picture. Maybe the thing gave off an electromagnetic field.

Were are the remains of the dog? The whole Void issue dosn't float with me either.

This is the confusing bit:confused:. Reed says Suzy was ripped in half and dissolved into dust, also her colour and texture changed while this was happening. Reed is clearly emotionally distressed about it, for obvious reasons, and seems to lack the ability to put into words what he saw.

[simulacra]

According to this new video Reed claims that he never noticed the being opening its eyes when he did this intitial shoot during his impromptu post-mortem in his garage.


Yes Reed himself said its was due to the whole ordeal of it which is understandable. But one of his speakers claimed he was looking through a tiny black and white view finder so the eye would be a pixel in size, and would be impossible to see.

When Reed talked about opening the freezer on the 3rd day after hearing a noise from the freezer he said that he opened it up and could see the alien had opened the blanket and was moving around. He immediately legged it out of the garage. Another account he says the alien screamed at him after opening the lid and it pushed him back.

I guess it can be jumbled up and you remember better later on and they did say they have left some info out too.

Another thing is I can't believe a barking dog running through the forest would take the alien by surprise or even get near it. If it did it would disable the dog far quicker for anything else coming. For a fantastic story they have to come up with a way capturing one or it'd be just another sighting story.

The skull video looked quite fake to me but who can say what an alien should be like in skull structure.

[alan3333]

After watching pretty much all of the videos i can find...and also the one you kindly posted Hagbard i'm now still not sure what to think.

The information given by witnesses seems sound, especially the extent of the actions of people trying to silence him.The link artifact is also pretty special although all we are doing is taking his word for it if were being honest?! Could just be a very well made fake as could the video although i could probably do a better job in my back garden ;)

My heart is saying it's all true but my head is saying it's all a hoax.I guess we will never know.

[trappedinameatsuit]

Some of you may have heard of this before, but I haven't and I keep a close eye out for stories with this subject matter.

This short vid was taken in a woodland beauty-spot in Washington State on the 15th of October 1996. It's one of the most terifying things I've ever seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySomFuWtXL4&feature=related

This long lecture by the cameraman explains in detail what happend. I think this is the real thing! The evidence is detailed and powerful, Reed himself is compelling. I know what traumatized people look and sound like and he is genuine. It's a moving story and I hope Dr Reed feels better soon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuMrKX2vdfE

Freaky, it looks mean. Second video isn't working btw, something about terms of use violation. Real or not, if anything like that happened to me I would try to communicate or maybe help it, maybe if they could telepathically tell me what to do or something like fly the craft back to where ever it came from for help! lol, Probably wouldn't get to come back.

[alan3333]

I think that's what dosn't ring true with me.

For such an intelligent being from another planet/galaxy you'd think the circumstances would be different! We think they will be peacefull but he rips a dog into pieces? Why didn't he just disable it? Why didn't he just disable both the dog AND Dr Reed before he cracked him one?? Also i have seen the pictures of the (alien) and it looks to me like it was struck from behind not from the front like Dr Reeds has said.

To many questions for me i'm afraid and it just dosn't gel.

[hagbard_celine]

Another thing is I can't believe a barking dog running through the forest would take the alien by surprise or even get near it. If it did it would disable the dog far quicker for anything else coming. For a fantastic story they have to come up with a way capturing one or it'd be just another sighting story.


It's hard to predict exaclty what capabilities an alien would have. We know so little about them, by very definition! For all we know it could be an escapee from an interdimensional psychiatric ward with ET-Alzheimers, which grabbed a vehicle and hot-tailled it to our universe to evade the aliens-in-white-coats.

For many years now there have been a few websites promoting the idea that Reed is a fake, like this one: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed40.html It shows photoes of a man who is supposedly Reed at weddings and thanksgiving parties when he was supposed to be on the run. Old friends and love-interests have popped out of the woodwork to proclaim that Reed is a fraud. They say that Reed was boasting about his plans to make a fake alien contact experience. Boasting?:confused: If I were him I'd have kept that to myself.

Also, where are the confessions? The people who did the SFX and models?:confused: It's been 13 years now! Anyone involved in a hoax of this scale stands to make a lot of fame and money by holding up their hands. I'd have thought Ray Santilli's good fortunes would have served as an incentive. Hoaxes seem to run in a kind of natural evolution that ends with exposure and confession; this seems to be the way to maximize fame and fortune from them.

[hagbard_celine]

After watching pretty much all of the videos i can find...and also the one you kindly posted Hagbard i'm now still not sure what to think.

The information given by witnesses seems sound, especially the extent of the actions of people trying to silence him.The link artifact is also pretty special although all we are doing is taking his word for it if were being honest?! Could just be a very well made fake as could the video although i could probably do a better job in my back garden ;)

My heart is saying it's all true but my head is saying it's all a hoax.I guess we will never know.

One day it will come out one way or the other.:cool: But, as I say above, the story still maintains its integrity after all these years. Only Bob Lazar has done better, although Lazar could easily have operated single-handed and didn't have the complication of evidence to burden him!:p

[hagbard_celine]

Freaky, it looks mean. Second video isn't working btw, something about terms of use violation. Real or not, if anything like that happened to me I would try to communicate or maybe help it, maybe if they could telepathically tell me what to do or something like fly the craft back to where ever it came from for help! lol, Probably wouldn't get to come back.

What happened to "Freddy" in the end:confused:. Reed reckons he is still in touch with him, and others have seen him. (He is notable because of the scar on his head where Reed bludgeoned him.)

[hagbard_celine]

I think that's what dosn't ring true with me.

For such an intelligent being from another planet/galaxy you'd think the circumstances would be different! We think they will be peacefull but he rips a dog into pieces? Why didn't he just disable it? Why didn't he just disable both the dog AND Dr Reed before he cracked him one?? Also i have seen the pictures of the (alien) and it looks to me like it was struck from behind not from the front like Dr Reeds has said.

To many questions for me i'm afraid and it just dosn't gel.

There are definite contradictions in the story.:confused:

But as for the alien, as I said above, we can't say for sure what it could and could not have done.

[freethinker]

What happened to "Freddy" in the end:confused:. Reed reckons he is still in touch with him, and others have seen him. (He is notable because of the scar on his head where Reed bludgeoned him.)

How is reed still in contact with him - Telepathy ?

[brandon_keys_the_pleiadian]

NEW 2009 Dr Jonathan Reed Alien Ufo Encounter Disclosure ODISEALINK WORLDWIDE TheXChronicles PART 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeRnYZVlsGs&feature=related Part 1

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KzlcZ-UIAM&feature=related Part 2

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRm3R-ncxEU&feature=related Part 3

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik5-JKdXPrs&feature=related Part 4

OutthereTv 2004 presents Dr Jonathan Reed Alien Encounter Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxKS_WnfO6Q&feature=related Part 1

OutthereTv 2004 presents Dr Jonathan Reed Alien Encounter Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlxhIxRa708&feature=channel Part 2

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPEu5ZMBEgs&feature=channel Part 3

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TPhSmG520M&feature=channel Part 4

[hagbard_celine]

How is reed still in contact with him - Telepathy ?

Kinda, I think. It's a bit vague.:confused:

[hagbard_celine]

[SIZE="4"][FONT="Arial Black"][I]NEW 2009 Dr Jonathan Reed Alien Ufo Encounter Disclosure ODISEALINK WORLDWIDE TheXChronicles PART 1


Thanks for posting that, Brandon.:):cool:

When I first saw your name I thought it said "Branton", you know. Of the Dulce Book.

[greykilla]

ok, this looks...well...i don't know what to say...you'll understand after you have watched it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzbc4-eRIG0

[freethinker]

greykilla

good first post, why have you waited this long to make a post ?

got any more footage ?

[geewhizz]

Some of you may have heard of this before, but I haven't and I keep a close eye out for stories with this subject matter.

This short vid was taken in a woodland beauty-spot in Washington State on the 15th of October 1996. It's one of the most terifying things I've ever seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySomFuWtXL4&feature=related

This long lecture by the cameraman explains in detail what happend. I think this is the real thing! The evidence is detailed and powerful, Reed himself is compelling. I know what traumatized people look and sound like and he is genuine. It's a moving story and I hope Dr Reed feels better soon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuMrKX2vdfE


Ive seen all the footage. The only thing that lets this very good but fake story down is that the footage of communication (when the creature is still alive) and throwing a cup of water at him was entirely audio.

He filmed the rest of the story but not this.

Alien movement and communication would cost a faker a lot of money in the fx department

[freethinker]

ok, this looks...well...i don't know what to say...you'll understand after you have watched it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzbc4-eRIG0

this has been produced/edited by somebody else

they took the video that Reed filmed in his house by his wife, added a bit to the front and then split it and added the special effect near the end


The debunkers are working very hard to discredit this guy

[hagbard_celine]

ok, this looks...well...i don't know what to say...you'll understand after you have watched it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzbc4-eRIG0

Very interesting, but why was it was filmed off a screen?:confused: I'd like to see the actual broadcast.

BTW: Someone's taking the piss out of Reed here:D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKggq0Ff4g8

[hagbard_celine]

Ive seen all the footage. The only thing that lets this very good but fake story down is that the footage of communication (when the creature is still alive) and throwing a cup of water at him was entirely audio.

He filmed the rest of the story but not this.

Alien movement and communication would cost a faker a lot of money in the fx department

It's tantilizing that he never filmed the creature when it was more active.:( This could be because it's fake, but also it could be another example of Lyall Watson's "Cosmic Nanny" doing its bit.:rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

this has been produced/edited by somebody else

they took the video that Reed filmed in his house by his wife, added a bit to the front and then split it and added the special effect near the end


The debunkers are working very hard to discredit this guy

They are indeed, but the Dr Reed debunkers seem to be an ususal bunch of new faces.:confused: All the ususal Debunko-Skepper brigade have kept strangely quiet about this guy.

[megaorgun]

As far as i know he did have more footage but his house was ripped apart I listened to "Coast to Coast am" with Art bell interviewing him.
He had his landlord to testify that the house was thrashed to the extent holes were drilled through concrete in his backyard and garage door frame pulled out.
And a Japanese scientist who explained the DNA and cellular composition of Alien.

[hagbard_celine]

As far as i know he did have more footage but his house was ripped apart I listened to "Coast to Coast am" with Art bell interviewing him.
He had his landlord to testify that the house was thrashed to the extent holes were drilled through concrete in his backyard and garage door frame pulled out.
And a Japanese scientist who explained the DNA and cellular composition of Alien.

Thanks. I'll have to hear his C2C interview again.

[elton]

http://www.seattlechatclub.org/Reed.html

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.seattlechatclub.org/Reed.html

Yes I've seen that one. And this one too: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/?view=article&id=65

It does look suspicious. But beware!:eek: This could be a double-bluff, as I said in previous posts.

[elton]

Yes I've seen that one. And this one too: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/?view=article&id=65

It does look suspicious. But beware!:eek: This could be a double-bluff, as I said in previous posts.

rofl

A "double bluff".

The guy is a fraudster and the films are faked. Let go.

[hagbard_celine]

rofl

A "double bluff".

The guy is a fraudster and the films are faked. Let go.

Are you sure? Have you seen the follow-up lectures? He explains why he changed his name. (Can't find them online any more!:eek::confused:)

[elton]

Are you sure? Have you seen the follow-up lectures? He explains why he changed his name. (Can't find them online any more!:eek::confused:)

Sigh.

Look at the video carefully and you will find coke bottles flying around and a C painted on the aliens forehead. The C has of course been airbrushed out but it is there.

[hagbard_celine]

Sigh.

Look at the video carefully and you will find coke bottles flying around and a C painted on the aliens forehead. The C has of course been airbrushed out but it is there.

Very drole! :rolleyes::D

[analogpix]

GForce:

1. I believe the film stock he used was Kodak Gold Max 800. This stock was new when Dr. Reed had his event. Do you realize that maybe this roll was an advanced promotional stock? If there was a year or two years between the offical release of the stock and his event, then there is a discrepency. But for a matter of a couple of months proves nothing. I used to pickup advanced promotional stock at tradeshows. Sometimes Kodak would select a few stores to promote the new product. Dr. Reed could have purchased the advanced product. So nice try, but you loose.

2. The contact mat on the back of the artifact proves nothing either. Do you know that the goverment has been reverse engineering Alien Craft as they know to be called ARV's? So, maybe you think the "Contact mats" was a product of this reverse engineering? So again, you prove nothing.

3. What's up with the photo's of Dr. Reed? They say nothing except the fact that he had a normal life before all this. So, what are you trying to say?

People, we need to wake up and unite together as human kind. Put the pety issues aside. They are not important. This is the only way we can get the truth about the ET presence. If you really think that we are alone in this universe, then you need to check yourself.

[magenta_moonshadow]

The head looks like it's made of papier mache.

I agree...I've seen more convincing props in a fairground 'Ghost Train'!:)

[jamesc]

Found this from a MUFON investigator;


quote;
From a MUFON investigator stand point we see this more often then we would like. Mr. Reed type witnesses always try and inject new and fantastic story lines into their growing testimony. Now I am not saying Mr. Reed is lying. I don't know enough about his case to make a comment but I can say I have seen cases like Mr. Reed's go bad real fast because the witnesses wants to make money off the case, go to the media before proof before a full investigation can be completed, even movie deals. If you saw the recent news here in Florida about a father and his son's encounters with aliens you would understand.

www.youtube.com...

The son had a by the book experience and MUFON was taking it seriously until the father started getting wild ideas. He even stopped the case because he was afraid of reprisals of the alien dragons, no lie....dragons. He demanded the evidence back a month and a half after MUFON received it. He now invites people to stay at his house over night and I have been getting calls from people everyday almost, because he gives my number to them.

My Point

Dr or Mr. Reed took a very similar path minus the PTSD in taking what the investigators were saying to him for granted. Mr. Reed wanted to make money and would only release the "evidence" he had unless a deal with the media outlet was agreed upon. The investigators tasked with his case could not get any cooperation with him.

Mr. Reed much like Mr. Rowley never seemed interested in proving his case rather to just make a name for himself much like Mr. Reed. Funny thing is this case in North Port FL has little to do with Mr. Rowley and more about his son. Mr. Rowley injected so man fantastic stories into his son's testimony and the funny thing is Mr. Rowley's son never confirmed his father’s testimonies, heck they were not even similar. Mr. Roewly made comments like “there is a 20 foot alien in my back yard” The next day I get a call from a guest at his house and they say he claimed it was now 29 feet tall. Why not 30 ……

So even if the Reed or Rowley cases are real, they has smothered themselves in so much discredit by their on accord that organizations like MUFON have little to no chance of conducting a scientific examination of the case let along proving anything because the constant interference into the investigation. This happens so often with cases, people really need to educate themselves and pick up a dictionary and read the definition of scientific process or even the word objectiveness or better yet honesty.

Morgan
MUFON Field Investigator;



What is upsetting about this case is that the debunkers have actually made it stronger by hurling ridicule and refusing to engage in any thoughtful discussion.

"I know a guy who sent me an email saying Rutter is a crook..." is not going to cut it guys.:D

At least present some facts other than ufowatchdog.com. Completely un sourced info.I'm not saying the Reed case is bunk or not, but it would make sense for him to use a pseudo name if in fact, he was being followed.

As well, UFOwatchdog.com is the lousiest debunking site out there. Almost none of their info. is sourced, especially in connection with this case. I would say to keep your eye on both sides with this one. A true skeptic needs reliable, sourced info. to make a conclusion.

I myself still have an open mind about this story, what keeps me interested, is the constant attempts to put the story down, that to me makes all the allegations suspicious, I take all this UFO stuff very seriously, and have spent a long time looking into various cases,i probably have forgotten more than i have read no doubt but this case reeks of deliberate manipulation of Dr REEDS CREDIBILITY.

One thing I do know is I have to make my own mind up, based on all the evidence, just because the guy is being bad mouthed and accused of all kinds, does not make it a hoax or true, it's important that everyone makes up their own minds, and not just follow the popular opinions offered up by some, who have no proof whatsoever of any wrong doings, just word of mouth.

Not often anymore that UFO witnesses get a decent or fair hearing, always someone who thinks or claim to be an expert on something related to the evidence at hand, but in reality, they are an expert in what? popularity contests, or just going against the grain for the hell of it. ;)

Some have been at this a long time, to let disinformation or lies get in the way of going forward.

And until someone proves to me that everything about this case is fake, then it needs to be investigated even more, the more the cries of fake in this case, the more I want to know why.

There is definite attempts to run disinformation on this case, and I want to know why, if none of it is true, then why is there a campaign to shut it up?;)
I'm NOT dismissing it because of the source. UFOwatchdog is there solely to debunk - and the harder they try, the more one wonders whether their target might be a threat to TPTB.

I was actually on the fence with the UFOwatchdog stuff until I came across the allegation that he'd faked the alien using a friend's child to dress up.:rolleyes: At that point, I thought, nah, this is disinfo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Km6k-PrCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxKS_WnfO6Q


This so called Werner said;
"There was my old friend Jonathan, the co-best man at my wedding in 1994, the world famous child psychiatrist, the collector of modern art, the master-mind behind a top-secret computer encryption code which NASA forced him to squash. Except, this guy was calling himself Jonathan Reed"


Besides is it also possible M. Night Shyamalan is making reference to the true story of Dr. Jonathan Reed, as told on the Art Bell show nearly 4 years prior to SIGNS? Does anyone know why there are similarities between Dr. Reeds alien encounter case and the movie SIGNS? When it is clearly stated by the narrator that M Night protrays only real accounts of events in his movies?Either way its just one of those cases that you keep an open mind on,dismiss OR cry hoax.:cool:

[jamesc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Fl-MsNkXY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Q1ZP95V-8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2XZwac5RE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbeOcSKzXzc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2rVpn-5ZWo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc05APTM1bs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAWVOs2b6sU



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mYSnm7U0iE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2KXByFxPoc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk01CzBhs6Q



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK5XhFD9iZg



There you go CHATT hopefully one of these videos is the one you were referring to in one of your posts.

[jamesc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMmJ1HHQd4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3l2ra4iQh0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InzSTbk7cQI


And another 3 of the 14 parts of this presentation, CHATT.:cool:

[jamesc]

After the DEBUNKERS and ridiculer's post links to ufowatchdogmarauder-frauders.com:D as the evidence of a hoax ask them how come theyve never presented anything explaning how Reed SUPPOSEDLY "faked" the Obelisk above ground after the video evidence was proven LEGIT. Youll never get an answer. Also how come theyve never attempted to debunk away the creature contracting its occular muscles in its eyelids, with the pupil moving within the eye-socket. Because they can not because its just possible that this proves in a sense that its real.;):cool:

[elton]

After the DEBUNKERS and ridiculer's post links to ufowatchdogmarauder-frauders.com:D as the evidence of a hoax ask them how come theyve never presented anything explaning how Reed SUPPOSEDLY "faked" the Obelisk above ground after the video evidence was proven LEGIT. Youll never get an answer. Also how come theyve never attempted to debunk away the creature contracting its occular muscles in its eyelids, with the pupil moving within the eye-socket. Because they can not because its just possible that this proves in a sense that its real.;):cool:

Anyone reading this thread properly from the beginning will see that he is a total fraud.

[jamesc]

Anyone reading this thread properly from the beginning will see that he is a total fraud.

And anyone really researching this case PROPERLY, (no disrespect intended to the contributors of this thread), and has looked into ALL the evidence will see that its not that simple to label this case a hoax.That was quick looking at all those videos i posted , you usually condemn and cry fraud and hoax before looking at all sides, especially the evidence that is that bit harder to condemn.;) i will repeat the below;Good results for the JAMBOS , kickback is a happy place just now.;)


1. After the DEBUNKERS and ridiculer's post links to ufowatchdogmarauder-frauders.com as the evidence of a hoax ask them how come theyve never presented anything explaning how Reed SUPPOSEDLY "faked" the Obelisk above ground after the video evidence was proven LEGIT.Youll never get an answer.

2. Also how come theyve never attempted to debunk away the creature contracting its occular muscles in its eyelids, with the pupil moving within the eye-socket. Because they can not because its just POSSIBLE that this proves in a sense that its real.:cool:

[jamesc]

One things for sure no one has debunked anything Dr. Reed has brought forth. Only lies and links to more lies on Reed have been used to discredit him, the UFO WATCHDOG .COM is a prime example of lies and disinformation.

Just glad people can see debunkers dont have anything to offer against Dr. Reed other then he changed his name to protect family and friends from harrassment from skeptics, such as the ones who only pretend to claim they think its a hoax, when they really know its POSSIBLY real in a sense and that they either cannot fathom or do not want to for what ever reasons they may have.

I do not blame people who would or are possibly taking the easy way out of claiming hoax or fraud as this is one freaky case.:eek:That they can offer nothing else other than their ability to type the word hoax is properly the comfort they need, who can blame them really but as usual time will tell and the truth tends to take and make its own way to the surface and in its OWN time.:D

The only reason i would think they would be trying to discredit Dr Reed is because his evidence could harm those who dont want this coming out.;)Thats why they attack him for a name change. if you ask me what i would do if something like this happened to me i would change my name in a split second and duplicate as much of the video evidence i had and send it to other sources to make sure others had copies, as a security issue, i think the ones they try to hard to discredit like Dr. Reed are the ones we need to take a serious look at.

When you control the disinformation and the sources of that
disinformation through various debunking organisations and can influence in high places then you can control and manipulate the finale outcome of events. But this time i feel its much harder for TPAB to completely brush this one under the official rubbered stamped carpet.


The evidence is just too overwhelming for some slacker debunkers to think by just typing the 'hoax' that that can somehow persuade people to follow their lead and believe this is not real. They are just trying to shut people up but its not going to work. Reeds encounter case has well over 2,000,000 views.
that speaks for itself.;):cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Km6k-PrCE


Has there really been any hard full on 100% debunking of the below facts that has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the below facts are the work of a hoaxer with a fraudulent agenda.:cool:


1-video of being blinking.
2-photographic evidence.
3-microbiologist harold chacon substantiates genetic material.
4-witness substantiates reeds employment at UofW hospital.
5-former landlord verified damage done to home.
6-THE LINK ARTIFACT.

[sh3lly]

Anyone reading this thread properly from the beginning will see that he is a total fraud.
Not true. :rolleyes:

[jamesc]

Art Bell has the one of the original tapes that Reed gave him in 1996. That, to me rules out CGI. There is a chance this story could be fabricated, but the lack of investigation into the details into this story kind of makes a mockery of a fair and UNBIASED investigation. You cant get to the truth if you dont take a closer look at the details.;)

Again, Im not ruling out a hoax, but the degree to which many (not all) debunkers yell hoax without even bothering to completely and thoroughly examine the details presented is very shocking but not and never really surprising.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yuqbp_nbzw

For those of you who have visited ufowatchdog.com, I can only suggest you read with the same skepticism you would in investigating any UFO case. That site has made claim after claim about Mr.Reed without providing ANY documents of proof. Multiple pages of alledged interviews from family and friends, and accusations with almost no verification of claims made.

In fact, ufowatchdog.com has even gone so far as to falsify info. to strengthen their case, alledging that Dr.Chacon (the doctor who analyzed blood and tissue samples) did not have a degree in Microbiology from the Pontifical Catholic Univ. of Puerto Rico:rolleyes: as they offer no such degree. But by web search found that they do indeed offer such degrees.:D

see link for degrees; https://www.universities.com/On-Campus/Pontifical_Catholic_University_Of_Puerto_Rico__Pon ce_Bachelor_degree_Clinical_Laboratory_Science__47 7779.html



How is this responsible investigation? Even for open minded skeptics, surely they must also be aware that the govt. does sponsor disinfo. sites, and ufowatchdog.com has been accused of this by more that one investigator.;)

[sh3lly]

I agree. I'm not saying I 100% think it's all absolutely true, but I don't think it's a hoax either. I watched that conference and the man, if he's faking, should be an actor, not in the ufo/alien business. His emotions seemed genuine to me. The video of him in the woods filming the whatever that thing was (some kind of portal technology?) seemed legit to me. How could he make all those gasping wheezing noises and stay conscious that whole time unless there was serious adrenaline running through him?

[alan3333]

How did this rubbish drag itself up from the depths???

John please don't lower yourself to think that this isn't anything other than a drawn out hoax. Don't waste your time.

[jamesc]

I am kind of on the fence on this case to be honest.

Until maybe more info is found or realesed on it then i shall make my conclusion but as for now my mind is open to this one.

Just what do " real " aliens look like when debunkers all seem to say that this is not what an alien looks like! Anyone know what a real EBE looks like.:rolleyes:

I myself have a slight feeling that this could be a case of hiding the truth right in front of our eyes, i mean the government could have let these videos and radio shows go out and then totally filled it full of disinfo to make the sheeple think that this guy is insane and hes a hoaxer, because lets face it what most people hear in the media they will believe.

So if this sceptical UFOWatchdog web site cannot lie? Records can't be tampered with and facts altered? then every argument theyare giving, one can supply the exact same counter argument with them.

If those watchdog sites really have a video as they claim to back up their evidence on Reed being a hoax, why have they NOT posted it???? I'll tell you why, because they are blowing it out of their asses.:D

I never claimed I was 100% in belief over this case. I have stated, however, that there is way more evidence to support this case than to rebuke it.
To be frank I would like him to be proven a complete fraud so we can put him in the hall fame of hoaxers or proven legit and bug the goverment to death over it.:D

May be this thread could turn out like the Caret Drone Hoax and last into infinity.:cool:


Again as i said at the start im on the fence with this one.

[jamesc]

I tend to think that this case is a bit like a same argument that goes around and around... Using information found on the internet to combat other evidence found on the internet.Now lets see if this two points below reaches others that no other points at this time can reach.:D

Points;
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1.People that scream hoax! its been debunked and scream paper mache doll;
2. WHY NOT DO IT YOURSELF!!

Solution;
--------

To people who say faking all this can be done...DO IT!! make an alien, take footage of it blinking! take hi definition Photographs! all using technology from 1996! Wack it on youtube and shut Reed up once and for all;

I dont believe or disbelieve this case but im affraid to say this "nut case", as a lot of debunkers have labelled him so, is winning because he has provided evidence.The most ardent debunkers havent provided any at all! So WHY cannot those that scream hoax or fraud make a video and take photos! A low life two bit fraud , as he has been called, can! then why cant they do it.:rolleyes:

[jamesc]

I was willing to give the Reed frozen alien case the benefit of the doubt until this latest video surfaced. This basically killed it for me. Too bad because the pictures and video of the alien were never really debunked and I thought there was a chance it was real. Also the bullet hole through the guys back helped too.Also the apparent lack of evidence from debunkers to back up their claims as well. Now with this so phony teleportation video with it's obviously added in fake audience sound I will not even consider it possible till an explanation is provided.

As they say never give up investigating as some new evidence can be missed, i suppose we are all human:D and even experienced researchers can either be fooled or miss some vital evidence one way or the other.We can do without frauds like him in the UFO field. Apologies to ALL who decided right away he was fraudulent and i make no vain attempts to hide my embarrassment of ever giving this man my ,"ON THE FENCE" perception or my "benefit of the doubt" sympathy.:eek:

I suppose he will not be the last fraud to poison this subject but at the same time he will not be the last to be exposed either and the more like him that are exposed the better , so that energies can be directed in the more unknown and complex cases. Signing off with a big red face, Jamesc.

http://emj.icbdr.com/artieimages/15/ar5b5fr6hbfjkyk3rm15.gif
:rolleyes:


The first video is Reed showing how this bracelet works and is seen to be in the process of engaging in this bracelets technology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzbc4-eRIG0


Then here is another video showing his video to be actually in his BASEMENT and not in any Mexican studio in front of any real live audience, looks like he faked this technology and dubbed in the audience.:D:mad::rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz_HluX2xDg

[manxboz]

My main problems with this case is, Dr Reed is not a Doctor but is Johnathan Rutter, according to friends and family who know him he is allergic to dogs and does not own one. Also his 'friend' who anazlysed the tissue samples turned out to be the local Petrol Station attendant. I dont think it stands up to proper scrunity.

[freethinker]

I was willing to give the Reed frozen alien case the benefit of the doubt until this latest video surfaced. This basically killed it for me. Too bad because the pictures and video of the alien were never really debunked and I thought there was a chance it was real. Also the bullet hole through the guys back helped too.Also the apparent lack of evidence from debunkers to back up their claims as well. Now with this so phony teleportation video with it's obviously added in fake audience sound I will not even consider it possible till an explanation is provided.

As they say never give up investigating as some new evidence can be missed, i suppose we are all human:D and even experienced researchers can either be fooled or miss some vital evidence one way or the other.We can do without frauds like him in the UFO field. Apologies to ALL who decided right away he was fraudulent and i make no vain attempts to hide my embarrassment of ever giving this man my ,"ON THE FENCE" perception or my "benefit of the doubt" sympathy.:eek:

I suppose he will not be the last fraud to poison this subject but at the same time he will not be the last to be exposed either and the more like him that are exposed the better , so that energies can be directed in the more unknown and complex cases. Signing off with a big red face, Jamesc.

http://emj.icbdr.com/artieimages/15/ar5b5fr6hbfjkyk3rm15.gif
:rolleyes:


The first video is Reed showing how this bracelet works and is seen to be in the process of engaging in this bracelets technology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzbc4-eRIG0


Then here is another video showing his video to be actually in his BASEMENT and not in any Mexican studio in front of any real live audience, looks like he faked this technology and dubbed in the audience.:D:mad::rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz_HluX2xDg


those video's were not done ny reed

somebody has edited them to show him dissapear - quite badly too !

[jamesc]

Here are two stills from the original video of the obelisk and one of the entity;While CGI was around in 96, it was use to make the film "Independence Day", i do recall that PCs or computers used by ordinary people did not possibly have the state of the art technology that the film makers of that film had.As for the entity have really no idea.I will look more into the claims that the "link bracelet" video was NOT made by Dr Reed.:cool:


http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/verylowfrequency/reed/oblisk.jpg


http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/verylowfrequency/reed/oblisk1.jpg



http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/verylowfrequency/reed/reedali1.jpg

[jamesc]

My main problems with this case is, Dr Reed is not a Doctor but is Johnathan Rutter, according to friends and family who know him he is allergic to dogs and does not own one. Also his 'friend' who anazlysed the tissue samples turned out to be the local Petrol Station attendant. I dont think it stands up to proper scrunity.

You are quite right that he was also known by Johnathan Rutter but in his defence he said he had to use FALSE names in order to protect his identity from government agents,Also it was also found that the person who analysed the tissue samples had in fact a certificate of his profession.Even so the claims that these vids showing his so call link technology are NOT his making need to be confirmed as this is i feel the vital nail in the hoax or legit coffin.:cool:

The lady who came forward and said he was "allergic to dogs and does not own one" was put forward by the UFO WATCHDOG.COM web site , she w3as in fact found out to be not related to him and was a possible fabrication of that debunking site, also they said shed had been videoed saying these things but this video has never surfaced. There is a video i posted on this thread showing the certificate of the person who analysed the tissue samples.It is a real mess this case with so much disinformation but just now i am going with hoax untill these vids can be shown to be NOT produced or made by Reed.:eek:

[manxboz]

You are quite right that he was also known by Johnathan Rutter but in his defence he said he had to use FALSE names in order to protect his identity from government agents,Also it was also found that the person who analysed the tissue samples had in fact a certificate of his profession.Even so the claims that these vids showing his so call link technology are NOT his making need to be confirmed as this is i feel the vital nail in the hoax or legit coffin.:cool:

The lady who came forward and said he was "allergic to dogs and does not own one" was put forward by the UFO WATCHDOG.COM web site , she w3as in fact found out to be not related to him and was a possible fabrication of that debunking site, also they said shed had been videoed saying these things but this video has never surfaced. There is a video i posted on this thread showing the certificate of the person who analysed the tissue samples.It is a real mess this case with so much disinformation but just now i am going with hoax untill these vids can be shown to be NOT produced or made by Reed.:eek:

Well it should be treated as a Hoax until evidence can be brought forward otherwise. There is too much against it (even with the disinfo) to make it credible. Also he may use 'false names' but to claim having a Doctorate when he clearly doesn't have one just points out a lier, plus if everyone else knows who his 'false' names are then the Government are just as clever.

[elton]

I tend to think that this case is a bit like a same argument that goes around and around... Using information found on the internet to combat other evidence found on the internet.Now lets see if this two points below reaches others that no other points at this time can reach.:D

Points;
-------
1.People that scream hoax! its been debunked and scream paper mache doll;
2. WHY NOT DO IT YOURSELF!!

Solution;
--------

To people who say faking all this can be done...DO IT!! make an alien, take footage of it blinking! take hi definition Photographs! all using technology from 1996! Wack it on youtube and shut Reed up once and for all;

I dont believe or disbelieve this case but im affraid to say this "nut case", as a lot of debunkers have labelled him so, is winning because he has provided evidence.The most ardent debunkers havent provided any at all! So WHY cannot those that scream hoax or fraud make a video and take photos! A low life two bit fraud , as he has been called, can! then why cant they do it.:rolleyes:

He is not a nut-case. He is a fraud. That is different. He needs gullible people like you to make money from. The fact that it is so obviously faked and that you cannot even see that shows how misguided you are.

If you really want to be taken credibly you need to be a bit more challenging of the youtube "evidence" that appears.

[alan3333]

Here are two stills from the original video of the obelisk and one of the entity;While CGI was around in 96, it was use to make the film "Independence Day", i do recall that PCs or computers used by ordinary people did not possibly have the state of the art technology that the film makers of that film had.As for the entity have really no idea.I will look more into the claims that the "link bracelet" video was NOT made by Dr Reed.:cool:


http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/verylowfrequency/reed/oblisk.jpg


http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/verylowfrequency/reed/oblisk1.jpg



http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/verylowfrequency/reed/reedali1.jpg

Although that image on the 'Alien' is a good one, the fact is the obelisk simply does not belong in those pictures and that is plain to see.

This guy is a fraud, plane and simple. A good hoax but a hoax non the less.

[sh3lly]

Although that image on the 'Alien' is a good one, the fact is the obelisk simply does not belong in those pictures and that is plain to see.

This guy is a fraud, plane and simple. A good hoax but a hoax non the less.

Just because something looks like it does not belong does not mean it's fake. Just about every UFO sighting or other picture that has something "alien" related looks like it does not belong...because it DOESN'T belong. I think one reason for that is because much of it comes from other dimensions or is using technology that is beyond our current comprehension. So of course it looks like it doesn't belong.

[sh3lly]

I don't know about the picture of the alien, but I am more inclined to think the black object is more legitimate.

[jamesc]

He is not a nut-case. He is a fraud. That is different. He needs gullible people like you to make money from. The fact that it is so obviously faked and that you cannot even see that shows how misguided you are.

If you really want to be taken credibly you need to be a bit more challenging of the youtube "evidence" that appears.

Listen can you right now list ALL the research you did your self on his case , i mean can you show that you covered every aspect of of the evidence from BOTH sides.I look forward to you providing your evidence that you did look into every possible detail and stone about this case.If you can see past your deliberate attempt to portray me as ever saying or implying that i totally 100% believed this man was telling the truth then that would be a start.

I CAN SHOW YOU POSTS ON THIS THREAD WERE I SAID I WAS ON THE FENCE ON THIS CASE NOT BECAUSE I BELIEVED HIM., entirely different perspective there is it not but you know that don't you.

Since when is holding your finale judgements on anything because of a need for further investigation a reason to attack or try charterer assassination creditability attacks.Seems that your creditability went out long ago when you refused to say WHY you once sated you believed that ALL crop formations were alien when clearly that was not the case.You are clearly on here for the wind up mate, as your previous post history shows.Yes this is an ICke forum and yes there are a large number of people on this site who do NOT share the same perceptions of EVERY official rubber-stamped version or explanation of things as you clearly do.

I also said i felt that that MORE research was needed on this case because of the possible threat of deliberate falsifying of evidence and debunking attacks like the ones that were done by the UFOwatchdog.com web site in the early days of this case.Things can be missed or things can crop up that were overlooked but the sheer lack of any creditability of those attacking him in the UFOwatchdog.com web site by not providing some videos of evidence they said they had on him was apparent.

You say i am gullible, why is that, that i choose NOT to say this was a hoax right out, straight away is that your justification for a character attack , you seriously implying that because I decided ,not you, I decided to look further and WITHHOLD my finale belief that this your justification for attack.You may want to take a long and deeper look at the way UFO reports are handled by the powers at be and the sheer influences and manipulative powers that these powers at be will go to to repress or silence cases they feel are a real threat of getting out.

You mention that i should be more challenging of the u tube evidence that is available, did i not say that i was looking more into the post by someone on this thread that said the video showing Reeds so called bracelet technology was not done by him.Are you also saying that EVERY single u-tube video that contains UFO sightings is fake. I see you do NOT attack any other member on here that posts any u tube videos that contain UFO material on the UFO threads, WHY is that.

I also see you have not once attacked or even commented on the credible sources on the "UFO DIRECTORY CASES THREAD" that contains tons of information, witness statements from military personnel ect.You in fact attack and try to character assassinate anyone that makes a mistake but never attack or challenge real credible sources like the ones on the "UFO DIRECTORY CASES THREAD" again WHY IS THAT??

You also show at times a seemingly grudgingly contempt and lack of respect for ICKE in the nature of some of your previous post history, things like,"its an icke site , real research is not done on here".Well can you list your research in the UFO field, provide the years you spent, the time , the amount of credible books form credible sources you have studied or even glanced at.

Show in your own words and perception the times you have read any of ICKES books,(that is if you ever have read any), with an un biased stance and open minded view point or approach, how many talk conferences of ICKES have you attended with the sole intention of listening to give this man the CHANCE to be heard AWAY from the main stream version that you are only aware off and perceive of him.;) You talk about credibility in the UFO and ICKE related challenges of this world , i think its you that should be really challenging Yourself s CREDIBILITY, not the view points and nature of the investigation of others that do NOT suit or comply to your perceptions of a certain time scale that you feel is justified in calling this case a hoax.

The fact that i in my OWN time and not in the form of pressurised bullying , decided that this case is a 99.9% hoax and ADMITTED it makes a mockery of your credibility character attack on me.Spend more time in looking more deeply into ALL sides of the evidence before you so hastily condemn and attack the creditability of others who do spend that time.

Its a ICKE site yes but one thing is for sure and that is that most of the people on here are here for a genuine interest and probably here based on their own research and own experiences ,be they UFO sightings or witnessing reptilian shape-shifting, just because you find that hard to believe and demand it presented in a scientific test tube and when it is not you ridicule or attack peoples creditability shows a lot for your own LACK of research or investigation and how far you take that research.:rolleyes:

Lets see your challenges on the creditability of credible sources that i have provided in my "UFO DIRECTORY CASES THREAD" , you attack my credibility just because i reserved my judgement on this case longer that you, you call that justification for you attack on me, if so then i feel that justification only damages your debunking credibility. Learn to walk before you can run.:cool:

[jamesc]

those video's were not done ny reed

somebody has edited them to show him disappear - quite badly too !


Hi freethinker, hope you are well, i was looking for more info on what you said about "those video's were not done by reed and that somebody has edited them to show him disappear ".Can you possibly be more forth coming on what ever sources you have for this information or is your above quotes just your own personal perceptions, cheers in advance.:cool:

[alan3333]

Just because something looks like it does not belong does not mean it's fake. Just about every UFO sighting or other picture that has something "alien" related looks like it does not belong...because it DOESN'T belong. I think one reason for that is because much of it comes from other dimensions or is using technology that is beyond our current comprehension. So of course it looks like it doesn't belong.

That unfortunately is a lame argument.

Your really just making an excuse to believe something by not using any real reason. My reasons are they look fake.Plain and simple.In my life i must have seen billions of images/photo's etc etc etc and to my eyes it looks like someone has taken a picture of a woodland setting then added the image via computer software. If those pictures were real they would NOT be that clear!!! FFS you'd be shitting yourself and the image would be a lot less clear. And for christ sake he even copyrighted it!! LMAO If he really give a shit he'd just let it out there, what does he need to 'Protect' it for??

If you read my posts at the beginning in the thread you'll see i've studied pretty much all of the data and concluded that it just dosn't 'Add up'. As with most things in life if something dosn't add up then it's most likely not real..or fake.

[sh3lly]

That unfortunately is a lame argument.

Your really just making an excuse to believe something by not using any real reason. My reasons are they look fake.Plain and simple.In my life i must have seen billions of images/photo's etc etc etc and to my eyes it looks like someone has taken a picture of a woodland setting then added the image via computer software. If those pictures were real they would NOT be that clear!!! FFS you'd be shitting yourself and the image would be a lot less clear. And for christ sake he even copyrighted it!! LMAO If he really give a shit he'd just let it out there, what does he need to 'Protect' it for??

If you read my posts at the beginning in the thread you'll see i've studied pretty much all of the data and concluded that it just dosn't 'Add up'. As with most things in life if something dosn't add up then it's most likely not real..or fake.
It's not a lame argument. I have no desire to argue the point with you. So you don't believe him. Good for you. That doesn't mean everyone should think as you do. We all have differing views. If you don't like something, move along. Take what you like and discard the rest. I personally don't believe 100% one way or the other, but I'm certainly not going to say, well, it doesn't look like it belongs, it looks fake, so it's fake, period. But that's just me. And if the guy is faking, he should get an award for best acting because in the videos I've seen, he appears to show genuine emotions about it.

[jamesc]

I typed in "John Reed alien Hoax" and it came up with some interesting sources. Most of them say that this case took 6 YEARS to finally be proved a hoax.;):rolleyes: Yes 6 fecking years , so you could imagine the amount of material that one would have to go through to cross check to rule out any signs of disinformation and manipulating debunking possibilities. Of course we have the U -TUBE :D:rolleyes: videos claiming that Reed HOAXED his transportation from his basement BASED ON THIS BRACELET.

quote from source;
"For myself, Reed's presentation brought forth more questions than it answered and now having seen "100%" of the information and having met Jonathan Reed, I can't say I believe this story. Thats NOT to say I don't believe in UFOs or extraterrestrials but what I do believe is that Reed psychologically believes his story in his mind and that something traumatic happened to him".:confused:
source; http://www.seattlechatclub.org/Reed.html


So we have a man suffering from a psychological condition , some will use the term "nut job" as well as hoaxer, or is it that he is suffering from a psychological condition that would lead him to create a hoax based on "attention seeking" or a desire to be viewed by the world as a "importance".Is there a DIFFERENCE from a hoaxer who does NOT suffer from a
mental condition and is not driven to the hoax by it or is it the same, just a hoaxer what ever the mental state of the hoaxer.

[alan3333]

For a start don't tell me to 'Move along'

I have just as much right to be on here as you.

I've made my decision based on looking at all the evidence and using my common sense! Something i rely on everyday and has gotten me quite far in life. The sheer fact is that if this was real it wouldn't be confined to an obscure site on the internet it would be worldwide and everyone would know about it.

I am a freethinker and believe in ET's but this is a pure example of a sad man making his life more interesting and dragging hopefull people along for the ride(not to mention the money he has made)

[sh3lly]

For a start don't tell me to 'Move along'

I have just as much right to be on here as you.

I've made my decision based on looking at all the evidence and using my common sense! Something i rely on everyday and has gotten me quite far in life. The sheer fact is that if this was real it wouldn't be confined to an obscure site on the internet it would be worldwide and everyone would know about it.

I am a freethinker and believe in ET's but this is a pure example of a sad man making his life more interesting and dragging hopefull people along for the ride(not to mention the money he has made)

That was a general statement. If you don't like something, move along, take what you like, and discard the rest. That's what I do if something rubs me the wrong way or I just don't feel any resonance with it. Obviously, you have just as much right to be here as me or anyone else. :)

I do doubt that it would be out there with everyone knowing because governments try and suppress info regarding UFOs and unexplained phenomena. And there is a huge effort to ridicule this guy and "prove" he's a fake. It does make you wonder why so much effort has been spent on this one person if it's just a stupid hoax.

[alan3333]

The government thing just dosn't wash with me i'm afraid.

If the evidence is strong enough then it will get out. There simply hasn't been hard evidence yet. This a well thought out and well presented hoax (for the time) with a lot of hard work gone into it, BUT at the time there was the technology to make this happen very easily.

For me the Betty and Barney Hill abduction is still the best evidence of alien encounter i've read/researched.

[sh3lly]

The government thing just dosn't wash with me i'm afraid.

If the evidence is strong enough then it will get out. There simply hasn't been hard evidence yet. This a well thought out and well presented hoax (for the time) with a lot of hard work gone into it, BUT at the time there was the technology to make this happen very easily.
How many times do you have to say that? Who are you trying to convince? :p

For me the Betty and Barney Hill abduction is still the best evidence of alien encounter i've read/researched.
I agree. That is one of the best cases I've heard about.

What do you think of the Pascagoula incident?

[alan3333]

Well i'm not trying to convince myself that's for sure!! lol i did that a long time ago.

I wasn't aware of the 'Pascagoula incident' so i've looked it up. Dosn't strike me as anything different to 99% of abduction cases to be honest. Couple of rednecks see a light..etc etc The fact that there is no hard evidence yet again makes it instantly questionable. Plus...Claw hands?? Honestly

The Betty and Barney Hill case is still the best for me. At the time there was very limited information on UFO's. Betty drew a star map that was shown to her that wasn't even found by astronomomers till some 20 years later. They both got hypnotized professionaly numerous times and the stories both collaborated and never changed once even after over 50 years! Add this to the fact they were both respectable and honest citizens and you have a winner.

I still feel that the UFO/Alien subject is 99% Hoax and disinfo.

[manxboz]

Well i'm not trying to convince myself that's for sure!! lol i did that a long time ago.

I wasn't aware of the 'Pascagoula incident' so i've looked it up. Dosn't strike me as anything different to 99% of abduction cases to be honest. Couple of rednecks see a light..etc etc The fact that there is no hard evidence yet again makes it instantly questionable. Plus...Claw hands?? Honestly

The Betty and Barney Hill case is still the best for me. At the time there was very limited information on UFO's. Betty drew a star map that was shown to her that wasn't even found by astronomomers till some 20 years later. They both got hypnotized professionaly numerous times and the stories both collaborated and never changed once even after over 50 years! Add this to the fact they were both respectable and honest citizens and you have a winner.

I still feel that the UFO/Alien subject is 99% Hoax and disinfo.

Actually that is a common mis-conception, many and most claim that the Star-map is of Zeta Reticuli. But in fact it actually looks closer to other star-maps Epsilon Indi and Epsilon Eridani. It is not confirmed as any infact and so therefore it isn't evidence.

I think the Antonio Villas Boas which happened several years before hand and with lots of phyiscal evidence to be a good case. That and the fact that he did not want attention for it at all.

[alan3333]

Actually that is a common mis-conception, many and most claim that the Star-map is of Zeta Reticuli. But in fact it actually looks closer to other star-maps Epsilon Indi and Epsilon Eridani. It is not confirmed as any infact and so therefore it isn't evidence.

I think the Antonio Villas Boas which happened several years before hand and with lots of phyiscal evidence to be a good case. That and the fact that he did not want attention for it at all.

So although it actually looks like a star map it's not evidence?? What about the hypnotizing? That surely cannot have been faked.

I'm aware of the Boas 'Story' and that is exactly what it is...a story :rolleyes: again zero evidence other than the fact he seemed to have copied a similar abduction case that was reported a month or so before and he had access too.

[manxboz]

So although it actually looks like a star map it's not evidence?? What about the hypnotizing? That surely cannot have been faked.

I'm aware of the Boas 'Story' and that is exactly what it is...a story :rolleyes: again zero evidence other than the fact he seemed to have copied a similar abduction case that was reported a month or so before and he had access too.

No, you clearly mis-understood what I said. Please read what I said again, not once did I say it isn't evidence. Also Star-maps can be made, man I use to do it as a child. Actually how can Boas copy other abductions? He was the first 'case', there were no other world wide reported abductions at all, there also was alot of marks on his body and he did suffer with the effects that are normally associted with Radiation poisoning. Also there were reports of lights in the area before and on the night in question.

Also hypnotizing is actually not a confirmed science, some can be dreams, others can be the body giving out what the interviewer wants to hear etc etc. As a serious UFO investigator these are things that myself (and others like me) have to look at. There is no 100% evidence that the Hill case happened, it is one of my favourite cases, but like all abductions cases it can be hoaxed.

[alan3333]

No, you clearly mis-understood what I said. Please read what I said again, not once did I say it isn't evidence. Also Star-maps can be made, man I use to do it as a child. Actually how can Boas copy other abductions? He was the first 'case', there were no other world wide reported abductions at all, there also was alot of marks on his body and he did suffer with the effects that are normally associted with Radiation poisoning. Also there were reports of lights in the area before and on the night in question.

Also hypnotizing is actually not a confirmed science, some can be dreams, others can be the body giving out what the interviewer wants to hear etc etc. As a serious UFO investigator these are things that myself (and others like me) have to look at. There is no 100% evidence that the Hill case happened, it is one of my favourite cases, but like all abductions cases it can be hoaxed.

Actually that is a common mis-conception, many and most claim that the Star-map is of Zeta Reticuli. But in fact it actually looks closer to other star-maps Epsilon Indi and Epsilon Eridani. It is not confirmed as any infact and so therefore it isn't evidence.
I think the Antonio Villas Boas which happened several years before hand and with lots of phyiscal evidence to be a good case. That and the fact that he did not want attention for it at all.

Okay so i re read what you said...It seems clear to me?? :rolleyes: You clearly say it's not evidence?

[alan3333]

In regards to Boas again...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Villas_Boas

Investigation
Following this alleged event, Boas claimed to have suffered from nausea and weakness, as well as headaches and lesions on the skin which appeared with any kind of light bruising. Eventually, he contacted journalist Jose Martins, who had placed an ad in a newspaper looking for people who had had experiences with UFOs. Upon hearing Boas' story, Martins contacted Dr. Olavo Fontes of National School of Medicine of Brazil; Fontes was also in contact with the American UFO research group APRO. Fontes examined the farmer and concluded that he had been exposed to a large dose of radiation from some source and was now suffering from mild radiation sickness. Writer Terry Melanson states:

Among symptoms were 'pains throughout the body, nausea, headaches, loss of appetite, ceaselessly burning sensations in the eyes, cutaneous lesions at the slightest of light bruising...which went on appearing for months, looking like small reddish nodules, harder than the skin around them and protuberant, painful when touched, each with a small central orifice yielding a yellowish thin waterish discharge.' The skin surrounding the wounds presented 'a hyperchromatic violet-tinged area.' [1]
According to Researcher Peter Rogerson, the story first came to light in February, 1958, and the earliest definite print reference to Boas's story was from the April-June 1962 issue of the Brazilian UFO periodical SBESDV Bulletin. Rogerson notes that the story had definitely circulated between 1958 and 1962, and was probably recorded in print, but that details are uncertain.

Boas was able to recall every detail of his purported experience without the need for hypnotic regression. Further, Boas' experience occurred in 1957, which was still several years before the famous Hill abduction which made the concept of alien abduction famous and opened the door to many other reports of similar experiences.

[B]Researcher Peter Rogerson, however, doubts the veracity of Boas's story. He notes that several months before Boas first related his claims, a similar story was printed in the November 1957 issue of the periodical O Cruzeiro, and suggests that Boas borrowed details of this earlier account, along with elements of the contactee stories of George Adamski. Rogerson also argues:
One reason why the [Boas] story gained credibility was the racist assumption that any farmer in the Brazilian interior had to be an illiterate peasant who 'couldn't make this up'. As Eddie Bullard pointed out to me, the fact that the Villas Boas family possessed a tractor put them well above the peasant class ... We now know that AVB was a determinedly upwardly mobile young man, studying a correspondence course and eventually becoming a lawyer (at which news the ufologists who had considered him too much the rural simpleton to have made the story up, now argued that he was too respectable and bourgeois to have done so!).[2]

[elton]

In regards to Boas again...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Villas_Boas

Investigation
Following this alleged event, Boas claimed to have suffered from nausea and weakness, as well as headaches and lesions on the skin which appeared with any kind of light bruising. Eventually, he contacted journalist Jose Martins, who had placed an ad in a newspaper looking for people who had had experiences with UFOs. Upon hearing Boas' story, Martins contacted Dr. Olavo Fontes of National School of Medicine of Brazil; Fontes was also in contact with the American UFO research group APRO. Fontes examined the farmer and concluded that he had been exposed to a large dose of radiation from some source and was now suffering from mild radiation sickness. Writer Terry Melanson states:

Among symptoms were 'pains throughout the body, nausea, headaches, loss of appetite, ceaselessly burning sensations in the eyes, cutaneous lesions at the slightest of light bruising...which went on appearing for months, looking like small reddish nodules, harder than the skin around them and protuberant, painful when touched, each with a small central orifice yielding a yellowish thin waterish discharge.' The skin surrounding the wounds presented 'a hyperchromatic violet-tinged area.' [1]
According to Researcher Peter Rogerson, the story first came to light in February, 1958, and the earliest definite print reference to Boas's story was from the April-June 1962 issue of the Brazilian UFO periodical SBESDV Bulletin. Rogerson notes that the story had definitely circulated between 1958 and 1962, and was probably recorded in print, but that details are uncertain.

Boas was able to recall every detail of his purported experience without the need for hypnotic regression. Further, Boas' experience occurred in 1957, which was still several years before the famous Hill abduction which made the concept of alien abduction famous and opened the door to many other reports of similar experiences.

[B]Researcher Peter Rogerson, however, doubts the veracity of Boas's story. He notes that several months before Boas first related his claims, a similar story was printed in the November 1957 issue of the periodical O Cruzeiro, and suggests that Boas borrowed details of this earlier account, along with elements of the contactee stories of George Adamski. Rogerson also argues:
One reason why the [Boas] story gained credibility was the racist assumption that any farmer in the Brazilian interior had to be an illiterate peasant who 'couldn't make this up'. As Eddie Bullard pointed out to me, the fact that the Villas Boas family possessed a tractor put them well above the peasant class ... We now know that AVB was a determinedly upwardly mobile young man, studying a correspondence course and eventually becoming a lawyer (at which news the ufologists who had considered him too much the rural simpleton to have made the story up, now argued that he was too respectable and bourgeois to have done so!).[2]

Surprise surprise. Another fraudster.

[alan3333]

Please explain Elton....

[elton]

Please explain Elton....

You bolded it! Its the same old story.

[manxboz]

Okay so i re read what you said...It seems clear to me?? :rolleyes: You clearly say it's not evidence?

It cannot be claimed as concrete evidence that they met with Aliens. Please read in the context of the whole text not just picking out what you what to read, that is what Xtains do.

[alan3333]

It cannot be claimed as concrete evidence that they met with Aliens. Please read in the context of the whole text not just picking out what you what to read, that is what Xtains do.

xtian
Followers of the creator of evil and darkness and the bringer of disaster (Isaiah 45:7), the murderer of pregnant women (Hosea 13:16) and children (Psalms 137:8-9) and the proponent of child sex slaves (Exodus 21:7-11).
"Honey, because I'm God's favourite xtian, he asked me to tie you and your brother to a table, pour gasoline all over you and set you alight. He wants to test me to see if I'll really do it."


Why on earth are you referring me to this?? You are a delusional fool and you clearly cannot read your owns words. Go back to your pointless UFO forum and talk to yourself. Maybe you could harness your energy in finding some concrete evidence for all the cases you have 'studied' ?

[alan3333]

ah, so childish throwing toys out of the pram. No, you like to nit pick things out and not read in the entire context of the statement, which is that there is contested evidence for the 'Zeti Hill Map' but hey you know so much more than everyone here. Someone who can quite clearly get as irate as you is clearly insecure. Also it isn't My Forum ;)

How can you not understand what is going on here?

I said it was evidence...

You said it wasn't....

Then you said you never said it wasn't....

So I have bolded your text when you said it!

Are you an idiot?!

[alan3333]

It is not concrete solid evidence,is what i said, but you consider it is. You are the idiot i'm afraid and must feel threatend as you are attacking me, i feel flattered :cool:

Threatened by a deluded fool like you?? Not this time I'm afraid. At least the Betty Hill abduction has some shred of credibility! Start map... Numerous hypnosis tapes...distinguished couple. You have your head in a box, take it out and actually use the common sense that has been given to us all.

[judge360]

Go back to your pointless UFO forum and talk to yourself. ?



Here pal whats your problem ?

Why are you slagging My Forum ? Ive never once spoke to you on here!! :mad:





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[hagbard_celine]

Dr Jonathan Reed= Debunking the debunkers:
:cool::)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYpNuPnY-0I

[ozpixie]

Some folk in here seem to be getting a bit hot under the collar. Would you mind continuing your conflict via PM?

[romas]

Meh, the whole thing is so muddled that I'm only sure of one thing, government involvement in either pro or con side is granted.

[manxboz]

Some folk in here seem to be getting a bit hot under the collar. Would you mind continuing your conflict via PM?

Em the dates for the 'Hot under the collar' ended in September and as such nothing has been said since. So why the need to ask us today (in November) to take it to PM.

The entire thing has been already sorted.

[wthree]

Wasn't it exposed that him and his co-conspirator lived in seattle a few blocks from each other the entire time he claimed to be on the run?

[manxboz]

Wasn't it exposed that him and his co-conspirator lived in seattle a few blocks from each other the entire time he claimed to be on the run?

Something like that, and the 'microbiologist' was also a local Gas Pump attendant etc

His whole story and additions don't make sense at all.

[samara]

I have met the man and I can tell you that I feel he is genuine and honest and nothing about his case screams hoax to me. He is the real deal.

[manxboz]

I have met the man and I can tell you that I feel he is genuine and honest and nothing about his case screams hoax to me. He is the real deal.

Right? And there we have it, 100% convincing evidence that Reed (The guy who changes his name, puts Doctor as a title whilst having no PhD, has a microbiologist friend who works at a petrol station) is a genuine fellow.

Just because you met him and feel he is genuine does not mean he is. Many serial killers seem nice and genuine to their victims before he/she hacks them up.

Also if you honestly think nothing about his case screams Hoax then you haven't looked at it closely enough.

[hagbard_celine]

Speaking as somebody who once believed Dr Jonathan Reed was a fraud myself, I really do recommend that posters bear in mind that there was a highly organized campaign to discredit Dr Reed including a website loaded with fabricated and misrepresentitive information. Also members of his family and friends were recruited into the campaign too.:mad::eek: The story went that he used a fake name, well he did for a while for security purposes.;) He was also labelled a quack who pretended to be a scientist at a hospital when he wasn't and that he never got a PhD. In truth he did get his qualifications and he has the personal records to prove it, like a graduation photo and ring. He has a photo of himself in his surgery office, this alsao includes his hospital ID card and a photo of Suzie the dog, which was killed by the Extraterrestrial and that he's supposed never to have owned.:rolleyes: The central case of the debunkers hinges on the fact that his employers have no record of him ever having worked there, nor has his university or bank. That's true, but only because the records were erased!:mad: Luckily there's an archived works email address with Dr Reed's name on it that was either missed by the erasers, or is on an indelible cached site.:cool:

So in conclusion: Dr Jonathan Reed is whom he says he is, his identity was expunged and the so-called "exposed" campaign against him is lying.

[freethinker]

i also did think the DR Reed case was pure fraud

but over the years i have studied it - i think it now is for real

beware if you are investigating this one - there is a lot of false information and even video's that have been edited to make him appear a fraud

stick only to the information on the odisea web site and you will be fine

the fact they have tried so hard to discredit him means there is something here !

[whatsinaname]

the fact they have tried so hard to discredit him means there is something here !

Precisely!

[hagbard_celine]

i also did think the DR Reed case was pure fraud

but over the years i have studied it - i think it now is for real
Me too.:o The deception involved in discrediting Dr Reed is of a level and complexity I've never seen before. It's outwardly very credible and I did buy it for a while. I'm not proud of myself for that, but it was very compelling. Whoever conducted this fraud had the ability to delete bank accounts, work, tax and pension records, as well as persuading those closest to the victim to betray him.:eek::(:mad:

This leads me to ask: Why would anybody go to this length to attack a man if his story was just nonsense?:confused: I imagine they'd only do that to Dr Reed if his story was actually true.