the king of the mountain - unable to post - why?

[trinity1]

A serious question - mods, wtf???

A thread has appeared on the "other" forum saying he can't post here and when he tries gets the message:

"Thank you for posting! Your post will not be visible until a moderator has approved it for posting. You will now be taken back to the forum. If you opted to post a poll, you will now be allowed to do so."

This is a bit strong, don't you think? What did he do? Blimey, this place is extreme!

[sean]

Hi trinity.

I'm going to post an overview of the posting system soon so that these things are understood better..

Basically when anyone blatently or persistently breaks the forum rules (ie insulting other members, posting copyrighted material) they will either get a warning, or if its being ignored they get what the forum software has labelled an "infraction". These infractions deduct points from a user, and if the user continues to repeatedly (and i mean repeatedly) recieve these infractions, their account automatically becomes restricted - as i have already warned about in the announcements and sticky thread.

This has happened with The King of the Mountain.

He can still post, but it requires moderator approval - which he'll get as long as he isnt posting the same kind of stuff that got him restricted in the first place.

Trolls are here to ruin it for everyone, hence these precautions.

[trinity1]

Call it what you like Sean, it's still censorship.

A bloody points system???> Infractions? >

I think I must be on the wrong board.

[sean]

If you don't like it, you don't have to stay.

I don't think its unreasonable to put measures such as these in place to stop the forum from becoming intolerable for most other people to use. I don't think the rules or the points system are very strict.

[blokey]

Well done Sean!

Stick to your guns!

I dunno about the points thing but I can't think of any other way so im not moaning!

Even ive got 3 points!

[andrew wilson]

Not to sound too controversial, but this points system seems to be counterproductive. And I have to admit that even though I understand the need for some form of Moderator control, people should only be banned for gross misconduct.

Has that happened concerning this case?

[yellow]

Please guys, you must know that KOTM only came on this board under loads of different aliases to mock, spam and take the piss and would fill this board with his piss taking if given the chance.

Well done Sean for making this difficult decision but you have no choice i feel if we wish to keep the integrity of this board.
Some on here are from the forum which is a free for all and are not used to forum owners wishing to keep some integrity and keep out the piss takers which i would do if i ran a forum.

[king of the mountain]

Not to sound too controversial, but this points system seems to be counterproductive. And I have to admit that even though I understand the need for some form of Moderator control, people should only be banned for gross misconduct.

Has that happened concerning this case?

Right on

The thing is though, what you are seeing here in the Mods and Admin is their inner fascist at work, all these rules, infractions systems and what not. They changed their 'rules thread' title when I mentioned that it showed their fascism. They changed their Account name titles and so on when I mentioned that it showed their fascism.

So they fuckin know it

They won't admit that they are wrong though but will try to keep it all going as much as they can for Pride sake. Though its something they wont be able to do in any long run because it shows them up for what they are fascists and it also reflects badly on David icke.

The people who take comfort in being ruled over are Sheep. And before you remove this post because I refer to half the members in here as being sheep, remember that Sheep is a reference that David Icke makes all the time.

but who knows... you may still remove it as you have blatently shown yourself time and time again to be at hypocritical odds with what David Icke preaches.

[third wave]

Well done Sean!

Stick to your guns!

I dunno about the points thing but I can't think of any other way so im not moaning!

Even ive got 3 points!



How do you know if you've got "points." I'm worried now in case I've done something terribly wrong and I don't know if I have or not.

Oh dear this isn't what I thought joining a forum would be like at all. Everyone always talks about how fun they are. This is my first time and I just feel a bit sad now. It's just not how I imagined it. :(

[andrew wilson]

After scanning through this forums previous posts I can't seem to find the evidence for the trolling campaign which the user in question has been banned for. Have all these threads been deleted?

I also have a question for those who run this forum: Has anyone else been banned since its troubled birth?

[clint eastwood]

How do you know if you've got "points." I'm worried now in case I've done something terribly wrong and I don't know if I have or not.

Oh dear this isn't what I thought joining a forum would be like at all. Everyone always talks about how fun they are. This is my first time and I just feel a bit sad now. It's just not how I imagined it. :(

I've managed to amass some points, too. They're very easy to get, and don't take much effort at all. To get these points, post some humour (the darker, the better), or maybe say something about David Icke that the mods don't agree with. You'll then have your posts deleted, as if history has been erased, and a private message will be sent to you, informing you of your punishment. If you're really naughty, all posts made in future will have to be filtered via a moderator.

Sound like Big Brother? Well, it is.
The price of freedom? A regime. :cool:

[andrew wilson]

I've managed to amass some points, too. They're very easy to get, and don't take much effort at all. To get these points, post some humour (the darker, the better), or maybe say something about David Icke that the mods don't agree with. You'll then have your posts deleted, as if history has been erased, and a private message will be sent to you, informing you of your punishment. If you're really naughty, all posts made in future will have to be filtered via a moderator.

Sound like Big Brother? Well, it is.
The price of freedom? A regime. :cool:

“The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth.”

I must admit that this all does read rather depressingly. The quote above is from Orwell's 1984, and the deletion of posts reminds me of the job that Winston Smith finds himself involved in, erasing those who have troubled Big Brother from history.

Again, not wanting to upset anyone, but this is not what I expect from a forum carrying David Icke's name.

[clint eastwood]

“The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth.”

I must admit that this all does read rather depressingly. The quote above is from Orwell's 1984, and the deletion of posts reminds me of the job that Winston Smith finds himself involved in, erasing those who have troubled Big Brother from history.

Again, not wanting to upset anyone, but this is not what I expect from a forum carrying David Icke's name.

Here, here. Well put, Andrew. It would be funny, if it weren't so utterly unbelievable coming from a forum bearing the name 'David Icke', a man who has built made a career out of fighting such oppression.

[thirdwave]

Hi trinity.

I'm going to post an overview of the posting system soon so that these things are understood better..

Basically when anyone blatently or persistently breaks the forum rules (ie insulting other members, posting copyrighted material) they will either get a warning, or if its being ignored they get what the forum software has labelled an "infraction". These infractions deduct points from a user, and if the user continues to repeatedly (and i mean repeatedly) recieve these infractions, their account automatically becomes restricted - as i have already warned about in the announcements and sticky thread.

This has happened with The King of the Mountain.

He can still post, but it requires moderator approval - which he'll get as long as he isnt posting the same kind of stuff that got him restricted in the first place.

Trolls are here to ruin it for everyone, hence these precautions.



good job mate.... don't worry about this lot... they will soon get board...KOTMH is the one who will keep coming back...

I think your doing an ok job and I am sure over time you will get more genuine posters.... this place is going to be very cool.

Its good to see you wont be bulled by them and its too bad for them you are not naive.

:)
they wish you were exreemly nieve thats all it is :o

[thirdwave]

A serious question - mods, wtf???

A thread has appeared on the "other" forum saying he can't post here and when he tries gets the message:

"Thank you for posting! Your post will not be visible until a moderator has approved it for posting. You will now be taken back to the forum. If you opted to post a poll, you will now be allowed to do so."

This is a bit strong, don't you think? What did he do? Blimey, this place is extreme!

but you don't even like David Icke and have put him down on every occasion you can, please can you tell me why you even bothered coming here??, let alone being upset your boy friend has had posts suspended.

its all about finding what you like in life and pursuing it, you are pursuing the wrong thing my dear, unless you like abusing your self with things you dont like, which could be a possibility, also you could be like a little school girl with nothing better to do than hang around street corners with your mates seeing who can be the most confrontational...

awww, what you think about the situation in Iran by the way?

[king of the mountain]

I am sure over time you will get more sheep.... and conspiracy kiddies signing up.
And like you I am also quite naive

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[thirdwave]

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aww creating your own reality again

LOL!!

[chester]

Folks, think about this. This forum is the Official David Icke Forum. That means that David's web site organization has created the forum at their expense. And they have set the framework within which we can make comments on their forum. We accept this when we join. How, then can anyone be upset if they step out of line (and I am sure this means way out of line) and eventually steps are taken? Why not say thank you that we have a place to explore these issues David and others have help bring out in the open so that maybe we can hand a better world to our children? Seriousely. Its not about freedom being restricted because the fact is in joining the forum you accept the criteria for commenting. You had the freedom not to join and you have the freedom to leave.

Andrew - the points system is simply there as a tool within the forum software. Its a good tool because there is no way a mod (or several mods) can remember how many times they have allowed forum rules violations to be violated without taking action. In fact, without it, actions such as deleting threads and warning and/or banning posters would be random acts as opposed to organized and fair.

There are ways to express oneself and to express opposing views without insulting others or using abusive language.

[andrew wilson]

Folks, think about this. This forum is the Official David Icke Forum. That means that David's web site organization has created the forum at their expense. And they have set the framework within which we can make comments on their forum. We accept this when we join. How, then can anyone be upset if they step out of line (and I am sure this means way out of line) and eventually steps are taken? Why not say thank you that we have a place to explore these issues David and others have help bring out in the open so that maybe we can hand a better world to our children? Seriousely. Its not about freedom being restricted because the fact is in joining the forum you accept the criteria for commenting. You had the freedom not to join and you have the freedom to leave.

Andrew - the points system is simply there as a tool within the forum software. Its a good tool because there is no way a mod (or several mods) can remember how many times they have allowed forum rules violations to be violated without taking action. In fact, without it, actions such as deleting threads and warning and/or banning posters would be random acts as opposed to organized and fair.

There are ways to express oneself and to express opposing views without insulting others or using abusive language.


This is a debate which I would love to become further involved in, but it seems to me that all the offending posters threads/replies have been deleted, I fear that only a few will be able to comment with any real accuracy as to what has here developed. All those of us new to this particular debate have to chew upon is the beliefs of those who witnessed the events leading up to this rather overzealous use of moderating (an extension of the word "moderate" - kept or keeping within reasonable or proper limits; not extreme, excessive, or intense), or was it?

There is no sense in anyone new to this forum commenting upon whether this "The King of the Mountain" deserved this restriction placed upon him, or not. And as it seems that there are some here who are his friends (therefore they are bound to understand his motives, thus defend him), and there are those who obviously do not agree with him (and therefore will celebrate his forced departure), those new to this place find themselves in a no win situation, when trying to define said events and there outcome with any sense of fairness. The only way for us to be certain is to bare witness to the evidence - the truth - so to speak, and this has been deleted from our collective reality, therefore all further comment has been tarnished by the opinion of those in overiding control.

And this from a forum carrying the weight of one David Icke?

I'm sorry, but though I obviously cannot comment on the individual here involved, I believe that the use of the "delete" button has had a much more adverse effect on the birth of this new forum than any bad language or the jibing of David Icke would afford.

[john white]

There's no problem here for any poster with genuine intentions: I feel in no way restricted. And of course, there are other forums!

[limelady]

If you don't like it, you don't have to stay.

I don't think its unreasonable to put measures such as these in place to stop the forum from becoming intolerable for most other people to use. I don't think the rules or the points system are very strict.

Thank goodness! Well done Sean....somebody with some standards! The point system you have put in place is NOT fascism (as some have implied) it is just common sense if you want to run a forum where people can discuss issues without constantly having to do battle with the goons and the "trolls". Banning them is no great loss to any forum, as they constantly disrupt all meanful discussion quite deliberately. In fact it seems to be their life mission - if I was running this forum, they would only be allowed one strike and they're out! I am through with being tolerant with such people....they've had their day!

Like many others, I have been researching 'the agenda' for more years than I care to remember, and what amazes me about the "trolls" and goons who (in particualr) constantly target David Icke and attempt to discredit on the level of his personal integrity, is that they NEVER address the enormous body of research he has put together, which of course stands alone. In fact, they avoid it because they know its all there, and if anybody on this forum has any doubt whatsoever as to the motivation behind the man who has spent the last 15+ years of his life researching and putting his work out there so others may benefit, they need ONLY read his work.

I can't recall in ANY of his work David stating he was perfect? Can anybody else? From ALL evidence I have taken into consideratio, David is a human doing his best (against all odds) to make sense of something most are incapable of grasping in its broadest concept. It is also the nature of the research to find that some earlier conclusions drawn may not have been the correct ones. So what? The work is by no means finished - its an on-going work-in-process thats been slowly evolving into a substantial body of evidence that more than merely suggests or hints at the fact that we have all been duped on a monumental scale - the victims of an intelligence more diabolical in nature than some people will ever be able to fully comprehend.

Stop beating up on the man for being human! Be grateful that David Icke's rare kind of 'humanity' drives and motivates him to carry on doing what he is doing for the benefit of ALL humanity. It is NOT an easy life he has chosen - for himself or his family - and most lesser beings would have scuttled for cover long ago! THINK ABOUT THAT. And if for any reason at all you cannot get your head round the research (or the man), then go someplace else where you feel more comfortable and stop bothering those who are here to learn or share knowledge. It is very obvious to those who HAVE even a small measure of research under their belt that those who make inane stabs at David's 'motives' or integrity, are either those who have little or no integrity themselves, those who are incapable of grasping even the most basic of concepts, or undercover goons here to do a job.

Either way you expose yourselves and therefore have NO credibilty here. And if you don't like the rules? Listen very carefully. It is not a 'given' that you can come here and do whatever you like anymore than its a 'given' that anybody can drive in traffic without heeding road rules. There are rules in place here to control people LIKE YOU who resfuse to act with the level of decency required of you on this forum. The rules here do not bother those who are prepared to act decently. Now obviously being prevented from spreading your own special kind of poison is not going to sit well with you. We understand that.....but TOO BAD! Besides, BEFORE you are banned permanently, you are free to go someplace else where you are welcome to express your chaotic energies amongst like-minded folk who will appreciate your 'special kind of charm'......and you should, as this forum is NOT for folk like you.

The rest of you always need to keep reminding yourselves the goons (no matter how convincing) are are only here to keep you confused and STEER YOU OFF the research. Ignore them like David has had to do since the early days.

Lime

[andrew wilson]

Thank goodness! Well done Sean....somebody with some standards! The point system you have put in place is NOT fascism (as some have implied) it is just common sense if you want to run a forum where people can discuss issues without constantly having to do battle with the goons and the "trolls". Banning them is no great loss to any forum, as they constantly disrupt all meanful discussion quite deliberately. In fact it seems to be their life mission - if I was running this forum, they would only be allowed one strike and they're out! I am through with being tolerant with such people....they've had their day!

Like many others, I have been researching 'the agenda' for more years than I care to remember, and what amazes me about the "trolls" and goons who (in particualr) constantly target David Icke and attempt to discredit on the level of his personal integrity, is that they NEVER address the enormous body of research he has put together, which of course stands alone. In fact, they avoid it because they know its all there, and if anybody on this forum has any doubt whatsoever as to the motivation behind the man who has spent the last 15+ years of his life researching and putting his work out there so others may benefit, they need ONLY read his work.

I can't recall in ANY of his work David stating he was perfect? Can anybody else? From ALL evidence I have taken into consideratio, David is a human doing his best (against all odds) to make sense of something most are incapable of grasping in its broadest concept. It is also the nature of the research to find that some earlier conclusions drawn may not have been the correct ones. So what? The work is by no means finished - its an on-going work-in-process thats been slowly evolving into a substantial body of evidence that more than merely suggests or hints at the fact that we have all been duped on a monumental scale - the victims of an intelligence more diabolical in nature than some people will ever be able to fully comprehend.

Stop beating up on the man for being human! Be grateful that David Icke's rare kind of 'humanity' drives and motivates him to carry on doing what he is doing for the benefit of ALL humanity. It is NOT an easy life he has chosen - for himself or his family - and most lesser beings would have scuttled for cover long ago! THINK ABOUT THAT. And if for any reason at all you cannot get your head round the research (or the man), then go someplace else where you feel more comfortable and stop bothering those who are here to learn or share knowledge. It is very obvious to those who HAVE even a small measure of research under their belt that those who make inane stabs at David's 'motives' or integrity, are either those who have little or no integrity themselves, those who are incapable of grasping even the most basic of concepts, or undercover goons here to do a job.

Either way you expose yourselves and therefore have NO credibilty here. And if you don't like the rules? Listen very carefully. It is not a 'given' that you can come here and do whatever you like anymore than its a 'given' that anybody can drive in traffic without heeding road rules. There are rules in place here to control people LIKE YOU who resfuse to act with the level of decency required of you on this forum. The rules here do not bother those who are prepared to act decently. Now obviously being prevented from spreading your own special kind of poison is not going to sit well with you. We understand that.....but TOO BAD! Besides, BEFORE you are banned permanently, you are free to go someplace else where you are welcome to express your chaotic energies amongst like-minded folk who will appreciate your 'special kind of charm'......and you should, as this forum is NOT for folk like you.

The rest of you always need to keep reminding yourselves the goons (no matter how convincing) are are only here to keep you confused and STEER YOU OFF the research. Ignore them like David has had to do since the early days.

Lime

I fear that you are being overcome by unnecessary paranoia. And I find some of what you wrote above a "special kind of poison".

I do not convey any of this to be confrontational, but I believe that all should be free to express themselves as they decide. Yes, I have personal boundries, but I do not expect others to be restricted by what I find to be acceptable, or not.

[chester]

Lime, very well put. Great Post.

[andrew wilson]

There's no problem here for any poster with genuine intentions: I feel in no way restricted. And of course, there are other forums!

You feel in no way restricted due to your own ideals being mirrored here. And the decision of what consists of "genuine intentions" belongs to whom? Yes, it stands as given that those whom mirror your own particular beliefs, modes of behaviour, standards etc., will be most welcomed by you.

But if we all mirrored the mind and standards of "John White" would the world be such an outstanding expression of individuality?

[andrew wilson]

Lime, very well put. Great Post.

I disagree.

[teslafire]

If this is the way it is then so be it (it is fascist and controlling by any definition but for euphemism's sake we'll call it standards). My only hope is that the standard is enforced amongst all and not those that are subjectively perceived as annoying or viral.

[andrew wilson]

If this is the way it is then so be it (it is fascist and controlling by any definition but for euphemism's sake we'll call it standards). My only hope is that the standard is enforced amongst all and not those that are subjectively perceived as annoying or viral.

Evidence throughout history dictates the opposite, as your comments suggest. It is rather perverse to say that those who have thus been removed deserve to be here more than anyone else, but I do believe this to be 100% correct.

[purple is a fruit]

Thanks limelady for that post. Well written.We must look past the DELIBERATE distractions. I don't feel this is paranoia, it's blatently obvious what is going on.

[andrew wilson]

Thanks limelady for that post. Well written.We must look past the DELIBERATE distractions. I don't feel this is paranoia, it's blatently obvious what is going on.

Yes, the paranoid conversing with themselves whilst believing that they are "hearing voices".

[limelady]

Fascism
Dictionary definition:

A governmental system with centralised power, permitting no opposition or cricitism, emphasising an aggressive nationalism and (often) anticommunist.

This CLEARLY means people living under such governments have NO CHOICE. Also CLEAR is that this is not the case here on this forum. It was a free choice on the part of all who signed up to do so (knowing the rules), and all are also free to go if they don't like the rules.

Where is the fascism?

[andrew wilson]

Fascism
Dictionary definition:

A governmental system with centralised power, permitting no opposition or cricitism, emphasising an aggressive nationalism and (often) anticommunist.

This CLEARLY means people living under such governments have NO CHOICE. Also CLEAR is that this is not the case here on this forum. It was a free choice on the part of all who signed up to do so (knowing the rules), and all are also free to go if they don't like the rules.

Where is the fascism?

I'm sure you'll find it if you look for it, we always do end up finding that which plagues our minds to a greater degree, or does it seek out us?

[purple is a fruit]

Yes, the paranoid conversing with themselves whilst believing that they are "hearing voices".


oh dear oh dear
No further comment on this topic.

[john white]

You feel in no way restricted due to your own ideals being mirrored here. And the decision of what consists of "genuine intentions" belongs to whom? Yes, it stands as given that those whom mirror your own particular beliefs, modes of behaviour, standards etc., will be most welcomed by you.

But if we all mirrored the mind and standards of "John White" would the world be such an outstanding expression of individuality?

And if you find this forum not to be mirroring your own particular set of beliefs, (whether about Icke or about how an internet forum "should" be run) where in lies the fault at work then andrew? and how then would this forum be "an outstanding expression of individuality"?: assuming one accepted the projection that this is what it should be. I believe your argument therefore falls as soon as the same standard is applied to your own desires: a classic duality paradox. The reality is far simpler: it is what it is, join in or not: its just a choice

"Genuine intentions" seems easy enough to understand to me: the intention to debate Ickes work fairly and honestly. Troll posts, multi-id's and such like are anathema to such a process: and that is all that is "threatened" here: to the obvious delight of many members

[purple is a fruit]

maybe you should ask yourself this question.

[purple is a fruit]

I'm sure you'll find it if you look for it, we always do end up finding that which plagues our minds to a greater degree, or does it seek out us?

This was the quote that went with that reply.

[limelady]

Paranoia
Dictionary definition:

A psychotic disorder, charecterised by systematised delusions.

Sounds a lot like those on this forum who so consistantly feel threatened or 'victimised' by a few simple rules...that when boiled down, only requires of them to act with 'good manners' doesn't it?

[third wave]

Fascism
Dictionary definition:

A governmental system with centralised power, permitting no opposition or cricitism, emphasising an aggressive nationalism and (often) anticommunist.

This CLEARLY means people living under such governments have NO CHOICE. Also CLEAR is that this is not the case here on this forum. It was a free choice on the part of all who signed up to do so (knowing the rules), and all are also free to go if they don't like the rules.

Where is the fascism?


I think that is a rather specious argument. That's not meant in a nasty way - I absolutely respect you opinion and I don't want to start a fight.

However your description whilst absolutely accurate - is a description of facisim to the nth degree.

I don't think that it is appropriate to liken non-participation in a forum to non participation in societal "norms."

However one thing common to all dictatorship - nazi, communisim and the coming Blairism, is that you start curtailing what people say first and foremost. And starting on a small scale. "I don't like/agree/condone - therefore it must be annilated."

I think that is maybe what people are finding inconngrous when they come here.

[john white]

An outstanding response, may I say, mister Wilson, but, oh dear, I see you have John White here. Well, it was to be expected, I suppose, since Mister White, by his own admittance, is a member of no less than some 20+ different forums (astonishing, isn't it?) and moderator of many (he even has his own forum). John is, I believe, a righteous and fascinating man, but he does have a penchant for controlling the thoughts and perceptions of others. Quite often his replies will come in the form of a lengthy, somewhat condescending, lecture.

You have been warned, sir.

If you could just take a moment to explain how I do that Thomas, I'm sure it would be most instructive: though it might say more about you than me!

[purple is a fruit]

An outstanding response, may I say, mister Wilson, but, oh dear, I see you have John White here. Well, it was to be expected, I suppose, since Mister White, by his own admittance, is a member of no less than some 20+ different forums (astonishing, isn't it?) and moderator of many (he even has his own forum). John is, I believe, a righteous and fascinating man, but he does have a penchant for controlling the thoughts and perceptions of others. Quite often his replies will come in the form of a lengthy, somewhat condescending, lecture.

You have been warned, sir.


I think we are all quite capable of thinking our own thoughts and coming to our own conclusons, and perceiving things in any manner we choose to.John obviously likes being part of forums, I don't find that astonishing. He simply enjoys being part of forums,is that a problem? We all wecome his input.

[andrew wilson]

And if you find this forum not to be mirroring your own particular set of beliefs, (whether about Icke or about how an internet forum "should" be run) where in lies the fault at work then andrew? and how then would this forum be "an outstanding expression of individuality"?: assuming one accepted the projection that this is what it should be. I believe your argument therefore falls as soon as the same standard is applied to your own desires: a classic duality paradox. The reality is far simpler: it is what it is, join in or not: its just a choice

"Genuine intentions" seems easy enough to understand to me: the intention to debate Ickes work fairly and honestly. Troll posts, multi-id's and such like are anathema to such a process: and that is all that is "threatened" here: to the obvious delight of many members

After reading through this several times, and still not fully understanding the points raised in the first paragraph, I decided that life is far too short to reshuffle this particular Rubik's Cube into a semblence of eye pleasing symmetry. I will therefore take joy in the chaos.

[purple is a fruit]

this is not the real thirdwave folks. KOTM in disguise, lovey to see you. How is the multiple personality disorder?

[teslafire]

After reading through this several times, and still not fully understanding the points raised in the first paragraph, I decided that life is far too short to reshuffle this particular Rubik's Cube into a semblence of eye pleasing symmetry. I will therefore take joy in the chaos.

I think he's saying deal with it (which you seem to have accepted), you're just as controlling as a mod or a helpless baby crying for milk, as all beings seek to influence in their own way.

Extreme? Perhaps, but why not take it there. :D

[andrew wilson]

Paranoia
Dictionary definition:

A psychotic disorder, charecterised by systematised delusions.

Sounds a lot like those on this forum who so consistantly feel threatened or 'victimised' by a few simple rules...that when boiled down, only requires of them to act with 'good manners' doesn't it?

This forum has only been in existence for a very short space of time. Using words like "consistantly" in this context seem somewhat over dramatic.

I haven't found many here who seemed victimised, other than those who are now taking great pleasure in the overhanded - and somewhat dogmatic - approach of the moderators? But maybe we all only experience that which we want to?

And who decides what exactly are good manners? Jesus or Alister Crowley? Or you, maybe? I wouldn't want that responsibility, it's fraught with danger.

[andrew wilson]

I think he's saying deal with it (which you seem to have accepted), you're just as controlling as a mod or a helpless baby crying for milk, as all beings seek to influence in their own way.

Extreme? Perhaps, but why not take it there. :D

Crying? I don't take dairy. And is asking for no control "controlling"? If so let us all pack up now and go to bed.

[johnpeters]

All the moderators and especially Sean have an impossible and thankless task of keeping this forum on track. We are not "Big Brother" or "Fascists" as some posters state. We're open minded and grown up people trying to give you all a space for healthy debate on serious issues. If we don't grow up and work together the real fascist big brother state will creep up on us when we're not looking.

Some of you need to stop throwing your dummies out of the pram as soon as you get a warning or post deletion. It is not your personal forum, it's everyone's forum. Perhaps a little thanks is in order to the Sean, the moderators and David Icke for providing it. And some of you wonder why he dosen't post in here!

Please use this place for what it's intended and don't go into one when you can't have it all your own way. It's not censorship. It's common civility and politeness.

[purple is a fruit]

After reading through this several times, and still not fully understanding the points raised in the first paragraph, I decided that life is far too short to reshuffle this particular Rubik's Cube into a semblence of eye pleasing symmetry. I will therefore take joy in the chaos.


the last sentence in this paragraph are rather telling of many in this forum.

[andrew wilson]

An outstanding response, may I say, mister Wilson, but, oh dear, I see you have John White here. Well, it was to be expected, I suppose, since Mister White, by his own admittance, is a member of no less than some 20+ different forums (astonishing, isn't it?) and moderator of many (he even has his own forum). John is, I believe, a righteous and fascinating man, but he does have a penchant for controlling the thoughts and perceptions of others. Quite often his replies will come in the form of a lengthy, somewhat condescending, lecture.

You have been warned, sir.


Thomas, I believe you will be a most "fascinating" and necessary distraction. And thank you for your kind words, and warning.

[third wave]

this is not the real thirdwave folks. KOTM in disguise, lovey to see you. How is the multiple personality disorder?

I'm sorry - I started a thread about how I chose my name for here - and should I change it, but I think it must have got deleted because I came back and it was gone.

I think everyine can tell the difference. I'm sure we don't sound the same. Although, I am quite upset that I thought I was quite a nice person. This is the first forum I've ever joined because I thought it would be a nice thing to do.

But to be honest it's just been horrible. I try to start positive threads and be nice to people, but for every few replies there is a nasty one, saying I'm doing something awful.

I really thought I might be able to meet some nice people here who understand what is going on. But this is what happens. I'm sorry - I'm going now, I'm really very upset.

I just thought it would be such a nice thing.

[21_12_2012]

It's either 'handbags at dawn'...or everyone chill out....obey the few basic rules of conduct (which in my opinion are fair enough)...and get on with the job in hand...which is to discuss David Icke's work, and related subjects...and hopefully all start GETTING ON with each other :)
sounds simple enough to me anyway :)

[purple is a fruit]

I'm sorry - I started a thread about how I chose my name for here - and should I change it, but I think it must have got deleted because I came back and it was gone.

I think everyine can tell the difference. I'm sure we don't sound the same. Although, I am quite upset that I thought I was quite a nice person. This is the first forum I've ever joined because I thought it would be a nice thing to do.

But to be honest it's just been horrible. I try to start positive threads and be nice to people, but for every few replies there is a nasty one, saying I'm doing something awful.

I really thought I might be able to meet some nice people here who understand what is going on. But this is what happens. I'm sorry - I'm going now, I'm really very upset.

I just thought it would be such a nice thing.

Nice one, noone fell for it.

[chester]

Andrew, I have read most of your comments and also your posts on other threads. I think you are already proving to be a very good contributor here. Regarding your stand on the issue raised by this thread, I also felt you had a good point that its difficult to judge what the mod has done when the posts have been deleted. Ultimately, regarding this topic, there is no win in this thing unless we all lose by having what should be a very good ongoing thing - this forum - get clogged up with off topic junk. Its just the nature of forums that attracts this type of degeneration. Experience has proven it.

Since we live in a world of form and that suggests constant contrast, choice between this and that, opinions, necessity for decisions, maybe we can see that efforts by the mods may very well be the difference between this forum making an ongoing, positive difference (again for our progeny too) that we should be open to supporting the forum, the mods and its structure - at least in these early and potentially fragile stages.

I also saw your comments in another thread about your experience with shape-shifting (if my memory is correct). I hope one day you are in a better position to get into the details of that experience. But I also respect that sometimes when truths dawn on us, we find ourselves in the trap and in some cases find ourselves to be some of the parts involved in the assembly of the trap. If this is your case, we share a similar circumstance.

Anyway, I am glad you are here and I thank you for posting.

[andrew wilson]

All the moderators and especially Sean have an impossible and thankless task of keeping this forum on track. We are not "Big Brother" or "Fascists" as some posters state. We're open minded and grown up people trying to give you all a space for healthy debate on serious issues. If we don't grow up and work together the real fascist big brother state will creep up on us when we're not looking.

Some of you need to stop throwing your dummies out of the pram as soon as you get a warning or post deletion. It is not your personal forum, it's everyone's forum. Perhaps a little thanks is in order to the Sean, the moderators and David Icke for providing it. And some of you wonder why he dosen't post in here!

Please use this place for what it's intended and don't go into one when you can't have it all your own way. It's not censorship. It's common civility and politeness.

I am grateful for all your efforts, but I do not have to agree with some of them, and the deletion of threads is the cardinal forum sin. The more tightly the grip you enforce in here the quicker you will lose control. Let it settle down of its own accord, and let's not all be so paranoid as to start banning people only days into its existence.

If I may request some information: Is this bizarre points system responsible for removing users? Or is the final decision made by yourself, or maybe by David Icke?

[third wave]

I started a thread asking for suggestions for a different name. But people said things like "how about Richard Head".


My name is Anthony. I like David - my now wife got me into him. I never expected all this.

I never realised I'd done anything to offend anyone. I was just trying to be nice and meet a few people with the same beliefs. But I joined and I've been bullied ever since. A few peple have been nice, and answered my threads but really. It's just horrible.

[teslafire]

Crying? I don't take dairy. And is asking for no control "controlling"? If so let us all pack up now and go to bed.

Not you crying, I was simply providing a range of options, not to be taken personally.

And every fascist has his right to free speech by taking away yours...bahahahaha

[third wave]

Does anyone know how to contact the moderator to change your name? Where do I go ?

[andrew wilson]

Andrew, I have read most of your comments and also your posts on other threads. I think you are already proving to be a very good contributor here. Regarding your stand on the issue raised by this thread, I also felt you had a good point that its difficult to judge what the mod has done when the posts have been deleted. Ultimately, regarding this topic, there is no win in this thing unless we all lose by having what should be a very good ongoing thing - this forum - get clogged up with off topic junk. Its just the nature of forums that attracts this type of degeneration. Experience has proven it.

Since we live in a world of form and that suggests constant contrast, choice between this and that, opinions, necessity for decisions, maybe we can see that efforts by the mods may very well be the difference between this forum making an ongoing, positive difference (again for our progeny too) that we should be open to supporting the forum, the mods and its structure - at least in these early and potentially fragile stages.

I also saw your comments in another thread about your experience with shape-shifting (if my memory is correct). I hope one day you are in a better position to get into the details of that experience. But I also respect that sometimes when truths dawn on us, we find ourselves in the trap and in some cases find ourselves to be some of the parts involved in the assembly of the trap. If this is your case, we share a similar circumstance.

Anyway, I am glad you are here and I thank you for posting.

I appreciate your kind words. And though I do respect your perspective on the moderating of forums, I feel the David Icke Forum - of all places - should be something of a free-for-all. And, I believe that this has already been pointed out, this is the "General" forum area. If said individuals have been making a nuisance of themselves throughout the forum, I agree that removing their deliberate disruption would be understandable. But is this the case? Or was their posting solely here in General?

[purple is a fruit]

Does anyone know how to contact the moderator to change your name? Where do I go ?

i'm sure if you have figured ut how to join, and post you can figure than one out. Its a no brainer.

[johnpeters]

David does not get involved with the forum. The moderation is left up to us. Our aim is solely to keep the standards up while allowing debate to flow freely. It's a new forum and in time we'll get the ballance right. None of us are god but someone has to keep an eye on things. How long we'll last before throwing the towel in is anyones guess. We are however all trying our best. Please all remember that.

We're all supposed to be on the same side. Humanitys!

[third wave]

i'm sure if you have figured ut how to join, and post you can figure than one out. Its a no brainer.

Or alternatively, rather than take the mickey out of me - you might have helped.

[purple is a fruit]

Or alternatively, rather than take the mickey out of me - you might have helped.

YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ANYONE. time to change identites now.

[andrew wilson]

David does not get involved with the forum. The moderation is left up to us. Our aim is solely to keep the standards up while allowing debate to flow freely. It's a new forum and in time we'll get the ballance right. None of us are god but someone has to keep an eye on things. How long we'll last before throwing the towel in is anyones guess. We are however all trying our best. Please all remember that.

We're all supposed to be on the same side. Humanitys!

Its a job that I would never feel comfortable with, I personally could never moderate a forum. Therefore I respect your situation as one currently in a state of flux. But with genuine respect, you are following precepts morphed from your belief - if not knowledge - of what David Icke would expect. So even if he is not directly involved, he is through a strange form of osmosis.

All said and done, it bares his name.

[johnpeters]

That's a fair point. As I said. We're on a learning curve but have everyones best interests at heart. We're giving it our best efforts.

[chester]

I think we are all cool. Seems like one of the concerns for a new forum is that it kicks off well. And sometimes its wise to be a little tough in the early stages. For example, when I went to my children's school orientation this year (as asked so to do by the Headmaster), there was a 15 minute lecture on the dress code, hair, shoes, etc. Yet for most of the school year, if the actual standards presented at that orientation were upheld, my three sons would have been sent home at least 50% of the time.

Anyway, I do hope that the lean is to err on the side of allowance (or maybe tolerance is a better word). The more there is proper and reasonably polite debate (as pretty much seemd to happen regarding this thread), then the few who "go off" so to speak are easily discernable and most folks would likely dismiss the comments and in time skip past them for a poster who gains a rep like some we have mentioned.

[a fine naked fellow]

That's a fair point. As I said. We're on a learning curve but have everyones best interests at heart. We're giving it our best efforts.

I for one am glad for it. And with circumstances the way they are, I think its done well.

[third wave]

YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ANYONE. time to change identites now.


Please leave me alone.

[purple is a fruit]

Its a job that I would never feel comfortable with, I personally could never moderate a forum. Therefore I respect your situation as one currently in a state of flux. But with genuine respect, you are following precepts morphed from your belief - if not knowledge - of what David Icke would expect. So even if he is not directly involved, he is through a strange form of osmosis.

All said and done, it bares his name.

Its a job that I would never feel comfortable with, I personally could never moderate a forum. Therefore I respect your situation as one currently in a state of flux. But with genuine respect, you are following precepts morphed from your belief - if not knowledge - of what David Icke would expect. So even if he is not directly involved, he is through a strange form of osmosis.

All said and done, it bares his name.


Yes it does bare his name. So therefore John, Sean and other moderaters are here on David's behalf helping guide this forum into something worth having as part of David's site. People who are new to the David's work wll indeed come here to read the posts. As was stated earlier there are people here who are doing their very best to prevent any thread becoming anything of worth and the threads in turn go to the dogs.Then those who were coming here to learn something would end up being sucked into silly games being played out without them even being aware of it.

Mods are necessary and are doing te best job they can, i feel a very good one.If they were not here doing what they are doing, this forum would disappear in a matter of weeks due to the reasons above.I have zero tolerance for people who do this work (destroy forums) they are alive and active in this forum, no conspiracy, no paranoia....it simply is and always has been in regard to David's work. Below is what these people are like and what they become once you drop the veil.TRANSPARENT Limelady is correct in stating that these people are here to discredit David personally, and they ignore his large 15+ years of work which has accumulated from years of dedication and hard work. This is why there are threads in this forum for the sole purpose of trying to convince people that David icke lives in a bloody mansion! HE DOES NOT, but it is necessary for those who wish to distract to work at the ego side of people so that they will form the wrong conclusions.
leave david alone, leave the mods to do their job, and start to share worthwhile information. THEY PUT THIS FORUM HERE FOR U TO DO JUST THAT, try thanking them!

Transparent
2 a : free from pretense or deceit : FRANK b : easily detected or seen through : OBVIOUS c : readily understood d : characterized by visibility or accessibility of information especially concerning business practices

This is why the Mods are here, because they are doing a necessary job.

[tinmenace]

Indeed!

[tk__]

Call it what you like Sean, it's still censorship.

A bloody points system???> Infractions? >

I think I must be on the wrong board.


can't say he wasn't warned at least.

[sean]

As John has already pointed out, we are all learning here, and this forum is in its early stages. We have to put rules in place, even though its not necessarily the ideal philosophy we'd like to live by - as it's one of the only ways it will ensure that people will get the most out of using the forum for effective communication.

The points system isn't really anything to be worried about. If you recieve multiple warnings and also recieve multiple "infractions" (the term the forum's software uses - not us) then the account is switched to a more restricted account so that other people aren't being disrupted with repetitive abuse. There is plenty of warning given, and its something none of us want to dish out and try to convince the user to stop whatever it is they are doing that gets them these "infractions".

No-one is scoring permanent points, plus or minus. It's simply a system of warnings and "infractions" which eventually lead to restrictions on the users account if he/she makes a concentrated effort to ignore the rules and persist in breaking them.

Hopefully not many people are feeling too restricted here. Let me know if you are?

[purple is a fruit]

the only thing that makes me feel restricted is ill fitting jeans.
Thanks Sean you are doing a great job.

[teslafire]

Crying? I don't take dairy. And is asking for no control "controlling"? If so let us all pack up now and go to bed.

Call it what you like Sean, it's still censorship.

A bloody points system???> Infractions? >

I think I must be on the wrong board.

As long as its balanced out with gold stars and silver medals it should be fine.

[edelweiss pirate]

I think the 'troll' tag under the user's name is a touch of class...

Can I have 'sexy' under mine please?

[oceanwave]

I think we are all quite capable of thinking our own thoughts and coming to our own conclusons, and perceiving things in any manner we choose to.John obviously likes being part of forums, I don't find that astonishing. He simply enjoys being part of forums,is that a problem? We all wecome his input.

"We all welcome his input"...

...rather presumptuous, indeed...

[purple is a fruit]

call it what you will.....I don't see a problem with his input but it would seem others may. apologies for presuming. I just feel that others can make their own mind up about a person who is contributing, as you have with me here, or maybe that is also being presumptuous.

[thirdwave]

I fear that you are being overcome by unnecessary paranoia. And I find some of what you wrote above a "special kind of poison".

I do not convey any of this to be confrontational, but I believe that all should be free to express themselves as they decide. Yes, I have personal boundries, but I do not expect others to be restricted by what I find to be acceptable, or not.

but again you are being a little ignorant to what some of these posters have been doing... they are clearly not here to express them selfs but more repress others in the forum.... it does not take a rocket scientist to work this out..

[thirdwave]

As John has already pointed out, we are all learning here, and this forum is in its early stages. We have to put rules in place, even though its not necessarily the ideal philosophy we'd like to live by - as it's one of the only ways it will ensure that people will get the most out of using the forum for effective communication.

The points system isn't really anything to be worried about. If you recieve multiple warnings and also recieve multiple "infractions" (the term the forum's software uses - not us) then the account is switched to a more restricted account so that other people aren't being disrupted with repetitive abuse. There is plenty of warning given, and its something none of us want to dish out and try to convince the user to stop whatever it is they are doing that gets them these "infractions".

No-one is scoring permanent points, plus or minus. It's simply a system of warnings and "infractions" which eventually lead to restrictions on the users account if he/she makes a concentrated effort to ignore the rules and persist in breaking them.

Hopefully not many people are feeling too restricted here. Let me know if you are?

Sean, are you able to see peoples IP addresses?, hence is someone is using 5-6 user names to manipulate threads ..so on, you can see this?

[pleasuredome]

funny how 'andrew wilson' seems so keen to defend KOTM.

if you dont like him being banned and if you feel that the forum is run by hypocrites, then the simple thing to do is leave, but i doubt that will be happening anytime soon, hey?

[thirdwave]

An outstanding response, may I say, mister Wilson, but, oh dear, I see you have John White here. Well, it was to be expected, I suppose, since Mister White, by his own admittance, is a member of no less than some 20+ different forums (astonishing, isn't it?) and moderator of many (he even has his own forum). John is, I believe, a righteous and fascinating man, but he does have a penchant for controlling the thoughts and perceptions of others. Quite often his replies will come in the form of a lengthy, somewhat condescending, lecture.

You have been warned, sir.

I dont agree, but I think is is the case with you seeing as you are just another one of king of the mole hills IDs

[Anders Lindman]

I think the 'troll' tag under the user's name is a touch of class...

Can I have 'sexy' under mine please?

Agreed. I think that was pretty cool. How the heck does one achieve such status? I myself go with the politically CORRECT style, and hence probably cannot be promoted to troll. :D

[thirdwave]

Right on

The thing is though, what you are seeing here in the Mods and Admin is their inner fascist at work, all these rules, infractions systems and what not. They changed their 'rules thread' title when I mentioned that it showed their fascism. They changed their Account name titles and so on when I mentioned that it showed their fascism.

So they fuckin know it

They won't admit that they are wrong though but will try to keep it all going as much as they can for Pride sake. Though its something they wont be able to do in any long run because it shows them up for what they are fascists and it also reflects badly on David icke.

The people who take comfort in being ruled over are Sheep. And before you remove this post because I refer to half the members in here as being sheep, remember that Sheep is a reference that David Icke makes all the time.

but who knows... you may still remove it as you have blatently shown yourself time and time again to be at hypocritical odds with what David Icke preaches.


but your a troll.

[albie]

It is very easy to become a troll when the forum you are posting on are full of ...ahem...

Anyway.

This doesn't seem like a fun forum.

Let's just say that much.

(ROBOTS!)

Icke's forum is spoiling the idea of being liberal. His very beliefs also do this.

[edelweiss pirate]

Mason alert! Incoming mason... ignore and ban!

[albie]

THis isn't as very...enlightened forum. If you ban me then you don't win. Argue with me.

Tell me where I'm going wrong.

You see, Icke's anger is corrupting his message, and attracting folk like you who are basically uncaring about the state of this world.

You just want to appear weird and esoteric so you read Icke.

It's a shame.

You have no argument.

[edelweiss pirate]

Nonsense. Look at your avatar. You're mason mental case. You need locking up or at least banning.

Albie, I don't want to argue with you, I want to see you banned because you come here purely to cause trouble.

[albie]

You want to ban me? Didn't Canada do that to icke?

You can't argue with me, because your beliefs are built on lies and distortions and racism.

It's so easy to topple you. So you try to ban me.

Shame on you.

[thirdwave]

It is very easy to become a troll when the forum you are posting on are full of ...ahem...

Anyway.

This doesn't seem like a fun forum.

Let's just say that much.

(ROBOTS!)

Icke's forum is spoiling the idea of being liberal. His very beliefs also do this.


no, i will be open to the fact Im a troll on the old forum... i go there are troll my pants off.... but this place is much better as its moderated... i come here to converse and when the moon turns i go over there where the "freedom" is so free you can say anything you like to anyone and send as many threads as you like... I could leave 20 threads saying the same thing if I liked ...its great!

but here you are just restricted to having conversations... ahh well

[trinity1]

but you don't even like David Icke and have put him down on every occasion you can, please can you tell me why you even bothered coming here??, let alone being upset your boy friend has had posts suspended.

its all about finding what you like in life and pursuing it, you are pursuing the wrong thing my dear, unless you like abusing your self with things you dont like, which could be a possibility, also you could be like a little school girl with nothing better to do than hang around street corners with your mates seeing who can be the most confrontational...

awww, what you think about the situation in Iran by the way?

I have asked you before to post evidence of my "vendetta" against David Icke. I have got nothing against "David Icke" but I don't like what he's promoting - fear. I'll try to give you a very concise reason for how I came to this conclusion by giving a short synopsis of any one of his books (apart from the early ones, that is)... Chapter One.. Fear, Chapter Two... Fear, Chapter 3... Fear, Chapter 4... Fear, Chapter 5... Fear (You get the picture)... Chapter 15... But hey kids, don't be scared coz really everything apart from love is an illusion.

I DID used to follow David Icke, that is in fact how I discovered the other forum. But over time I've changed my mind and I see things very differently now. Have you any idea of how many people suffer depression and breakdowns after reading conspiracy stuff? Now I don't try to censor you when you say how you agree with what Icke says, so don't try to censor me for not agreeing with him (on most points, that is). What I DO agree with him on is Infinite Love is the Only Truth... but I feel his cursory attention to this does more harm than good. Whether this is by design I have no idea.

Regarding why I joined this forum: because I WANTED to. I don't recall any stipulation upon sign-up that I had to agree with David Icke in order to join. Although possibly that may change very soon, judging by the way things are going.

The situation in Iran? I have no idea, I don't live there.

[andrew wilson]

hmmm. This whole situation stinks of bogtrotting filth.

I come in from my metal hammer awards night at the death numbskull club in LA and find all my posts removed (one of which provided new research free of copyright and i dont often do that, as i take my copyrights very seriously)

I know the man at the top in here very well and i al currently typing this on my attorneys PC as i go so enraged with the admins actions that i drew my sword and cut the fuck out of my home, rendering everything into a sorry mess of duct fragments - including my laptop and unfortunately my personal downs syndrome assistant. Pluto would have gotten to him anyway, its better this way... i enjoyed seeing the blood of this little bastard everywhere i have to say, blood shining in moonlight through an open window gave me the irge to let my hair down out of its little pony tail and howl to shiva.

Of course i carefully avoided contact with my DVD stock as they are my copyright material and destroying them would infringe my copyright and i take my copyright and my scholarship very seriously.

This forum is worse than the other one. It is the domain of pussys and bitches who cannot handle freedom and need daddy's guiding hand to help them through their sorry existence.

idiot scum of the earth - enjoy dying when the rapture comes, i will be swinging on a treebranch with my hair flowing in the brilliant moonlight and my best sword in its sheath and my best jewellery on riding the storm like the brilliant poet of a man that i am - Sean and his fanny hordes will die in hell.

as shumperding said
'i can take about an hour on the tower of power as long as i gets me a little golden shower, oh god oh god im so fantastic, thanks to freddie im a sexual spastic and my name is bobby brown - watch me now im going down'

(this post is copyright mtsar, all references to rapture and pluto are copyright mtsar.)

This is all lost on me, but that said I have some kitchen knives that need sharpening, do you do outcalls?

[trinity1]

idiot scum of the earth - enjoy dying when the rapture comes, i will be swinging on a treebranch with my hair flowing in the brilliant moonlight and my best sword in its sheath and my best jewellery on riding the storm like the brilliant poet of a man that i am - Sean and his fanny hordes will die in hell.

This has got to be, by far, THE most fantastic thing I've read on this forum. Tsarion, you're a comedy genius. :D

[wanderer]

An analogy for some of the more abrasive members here.

You get invited into someones home - they offer you hospitality and a place to hang out and talk about some really interesting things...

...so you deliberately piss all over the couch, the owner and most of the guests and defend your actions as a show of freedom - and just to add insult to injury, you level accusations of 'fascist' at the rest of us who would prefer you just leave quietly.

Is that about right?

Hmmm.

Freedom of speech, chaos and anarchy...are the best of tools when wielded by people with respect for others...but the very worst, when wielded by those without.

Among an infinite number of choices, I have the choice of being a total unrelenting twat or a considerate human being. I am frequently both when I'm in my own space - but in someone else's - there simply is no choice.

I just hope you get it, before it gets you.

Thanks to the admin for your effort - just to show that it isn't a thankless task!!

[geospirit]

You want to ban me? Didn't Canada do that to icke?

You can't argue with me, because your beliefs are built on lies and distortions and racism.

It's so easy to topple you. So you try to ban me.

Shame on you.

Canada is run by the Freemasons. :eek: :mad:

[trinity1]

An analogy for some of the more abrasive members here.

You get invited into someones home - they offer you hospitality and a place to hang out and talk about some really interesting things...

...so you deliberately piss all over the couch, the owner and most of the guests and defend your actions as a show of freedom - and just to add insult to injury, you level accusations of 'fascist' at the rest of us who would prefer you just leave quietly.

Is that about right?

Hmmm.

Freedom of speech, chaos and anarchy...are the best of tools when wielded by people with respect for others...but the very worst, when wielded by those without.

Among an infinite number of choices, I have the choice of being a total unrelenting twat or a considerate human being. I am frequently both when I'm in my own space - but in someone else's - there simply is no choice.

I just hope you get it, before it gets you.

Thanks to the admin for your effort - just to show that it isn't a thankless task!!

A crap analogy if you don't mind me saying so.

I don't know how long you've been lurking or what you have seen but a brief run down so far has been:

Some people have been enjoying some dark comedy in the general chat area. Nothing harsh, just some minor ribbing. People expressing themselves as they deem necessary. And all within the confines of "general chat". No persons or animals were harmed in any way. Posts were deleted and "infraction points" administered.

Various people have been asking some questions regarding Icke's current court case. These threads have been locked.

Someone has been asking some rather pertinent questions regarding the Icke vs Warman "courtcase" or lack thereof. This particular person not only had his post deleted, but also his entire USERNAME.


Now, in light of this we can see how crap your analogy was. There hasn't been anything near pissing on the couch. If you want a better analogy, the hosts invited us to a party and then complained when the drinks were drunk and the nibbles were nibbled.

[geospirit]

Hi Michael,

I am sorry things are so out of whack for you,
maybe too much testosterone and not enough estrogen around? ;)

Hope you felt my hug.

In Love & Light,
I AM

[little_wolf]

Personally, I am with the system admins on this one.

Trolls are Trolls are Trolls - they contribute nothing and vent bile.

[clint eastwood]

Personally, I am with the system admins on this one.

Trolls are Trolls are Trolls - they contribute nothing and vent bile.

This forum is enough to bring out the bad behaviour in anyone. I lost almost 30 posts. Now I feel I need to justify that loss.

Trolls need to be shot in the face, but I aint no troll.

I am vengeance wielding a .44 magnum. :cool:

[annabelle]

Who's Who question .

King of the mountain and The king of the mountain ... Who is the good bloke and who is the bad ? Enlighten me if you can .

I get lost :confused:

annabelle:p

[annabelle]

So we are fully asynchronous .... cause I dont even kiss at first date !

So baby don't waste yer time :D

[john white]

Thats not me, its a troll impersonator

Nice one asshole: but it wont work

[annabelle]

an asshole impersonator ???

Well must say you are quite successful :D

[little_wolf]

Thats not me, its a troll impersonator

Nice one asshole: but it wont work


How did he manage that?

No wonder there is so much grief it people can impersonate so easily

[annabelle]

It is you who is the impersonator.
And please don't swear at me

sorry mate I was swearing to the impersonator .

my humble apologies to the True one :cool:

annabelle :p

[john white]

How did he manage that?

No wonder there is so much grief it people can impersonate so easily

I wont lose sleep over it, let the mods sort it out: though it clearly needs sorting

[annabelle]

No need to apologise babe .. meaow, puurrrrr ;)

you're the fake I didnt apologize at ya !

[little_wolf]

same name.. same sig.. different sized avatars...

so size DOES matter?

[clint eastwood]

size does indeed matter my good friend

I got a big gun. Size does matter. :cool:

[sean]

The question has been answered. The thread is becoming a ground of insults towards other members, therefore this thread is closed.