Kabbalh and David Icke's work

[thegates_are_always_open]

Hi

I'm a student from Italy and I'd like to share and discuss something with you

In september 2005 I started reading Children of the Matrix and i totally enjoyed finding out about this book and its content. I felt like deep inside of me I had always known these things

Since then I have read 4 of David's books the last one being "Infinite Love
is the only truth-Everything else is Illusion"

I have recently started investigating kabbalah and what it is all about and surprisingly I have found many congruences between David's work and Kabbalh's explanation of the nature of Chaos and its version of the
vibrational prison that we inhabit

First of all I'd like to point out that kabbalah is not a religion and also that kabbalah has nothing to do with New Age
Its spirituality it is meant for practical proactive use not to escape reality.

Kabbalh is an ancient wisdom that predates Christianity, it si a knowledge about the connection that we can establish between the physical realm and the spiritual world.

my point in writing on this forum is to point out thoses similarities and subject them to an open discussion

[thegates_are_always_open]

The main points this wisdom and david's work have in common are the followings:

1) We are Infinite Consciousness. We are eternal (Space/Time Illusion)

2) There is nothing new under the Sun

3) This physical realm that we inhabit is just a very small fraction of our true potential and our multidimensionality

4)Death and chaos are Illusions/Fear is the biggest weapon of negative forces

5)Religion and "Science" are limited

Despite what we have been led to beleive by the scientific establishment our consciousness has a bearing on the physical realm
Every thought we inject, every word we speak, every action we perform has
a consequence both on an individual scale and on a global scale
The Global consciousness and the world's physical, emotional, spiritual state
is a reflection of our own process of thought , it is the total summation
of oll of our individual consciousnesses
We are responsible for everything good or bad that happens in our lives or in the world at large..............When we stick to the victim mindset than we truly become victims............being a victim entails not feeling responsible and detaching from negativity

[thegates_are_always_open]

Religions tie knots to fragmentation (DIVIDE ET IMPERA) and not feeling responsible for the things that happen to us.

Science has yet to catch up with spirituality and the powerof human consciousness

By the way kabbalh knows no gerarchy and it is universal

"Though it posits the existence of a Creator IT IS NOT DESIGNED FOR WORSHIP"

According to Kabbalah science has known for some time that nothing exists in the universe except energy but we can take that assertion one step further, holding that the energy of consciousness IS ALL THAT REALLY EXISTS therefore MATTER IS MERELY AN ILLUSION.

[thegates_are_always_open]

According to kabbalah there are two main energy systems in existence and right now we are plugged into the wrong one............
These energy systems are represented by two TREES

The positive tree is called THE TREE OF LIFE

The negative tree is named THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE

The tree of life is the symbol of creation

The tree of knowledge(rational consciousness,what I cant see or touch cant be real) is a symbol enslavement and destruction

These two different metaphysical trees represent 2 different ways by which
we can RECEIVE in life (Kabbalah means to receive):
the Tree Of Life underlies the desire to receive for the sake of sharing with others unconditionally(Infinite Love is the only truth......)

the Tree Of Knowledge exemplifies the desire to receive for the self alone
meaning greed(reptilian brain)

In my opinion the tree of knowledge that kabbalh talks about is none other than the pyramid and the all seeing eye that dark forces who desire to engolf the universe are clinging onto

[tinmenace]

Right. Kabbalah is is a form of magick.

[emma royds]

According to kabbalah there are two main energy systems in existence and right now we are plugged into the wrong one............
These energy systems are represented by two TREES

The positive tree is called THE TREE OF LIFE

The negative tree is named THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE

The tree of life is the symbol of creation

The tree of knowledge(rational consciousness,what I cant see or touch cant be real) is a symbol enslavement and destruction

These two different metaphysical trees represent 2 different ways by which
we can RECEIVE in life (Kabbalah means to receive):
the Tree Of Life underlies the desire to receive for the sake of sharing with others unconditionally(Infinite Love is the only truth......)

the Tree Of Knowledge exemplifies the desire to receive for the self alone
meaning greed(reptilian brain)

In my opinion the tree of knowledge that kabbalh talks about is none other than the pyramid and the all seeing eye that dark forces who desire to engolf the universe are clinging onto

Adam & Eve ate of "The Tree Of Knowledge Of Good & Evil" and became like gods. The tree of life basically represents states of the conscious mind, and gives an insight into understanding and learning to operate within these states at will, in order to achieve your objective in life. The tree of knowledge is that which is above the realms of conscious awareness. It is represented on the tree of life as "Daath" and is surrounded by an Abyss.

[a fine naked fellow]

There is only one tree and it is the knowledge of genetics.

[emma royds]

There is only one tree and it is the knowledge of genetics.


Would you care to elaborate?

[a fine naked fellow]

Hi emma, sure I’ll say.
Modern day science can only map a bare minimum of our dna.
Some say 10% or a little more or a little less. And we call the rest junk.
Ok we’ve sauced it, on to the next thing…

We are said to use 10% of our brains. Or a little more or a little less.
It is said there is 90% of the universe is invisible to our range of perception.

All these figures coincide like strawberries in a strawberry pie. Hmmm.

Imagine all the vast knowledge stored in the dna.
All the information, stories, history, memory, and ability.
Imagine the full functioning brain - body and what it could access.
Imagine how malleable reality is, how the dimensions groove.

We call our linage the family tree. There are stories around the world of the tree of life.
It is also known as the tree of knowledge and only later as the tree of good and evil.
It is the full knowledge of genetics, and what that might mean.
Imagine how every living structure can be broken down to the basic code level.
Imagine how we are all linked together.

There is also a connection to the trees sap, and the consistency of sperm.
Be aware of symbolism of trees, serpents in trees, apples, and decorations in christmass trees.

Hope that helped. ;)

[thegates_are_always_open]

Hi emma, sure I’ll say.
We call our linage the family tree. There are stories around the world of the tree of life.
It is also known as the tree of knowledge and only later as the tree of good and evil.
It is the full knowledge of genetics, and what that might mean.


Hope that helped. ;)


Tree of life and Tree of knowledge are not the same thing

They are opposites

Talking about these two systems does not encompass anything about genetics or a human map

They are metaphysical trees which means that they represent the connections that we can establish on a spiritual level with positive creation related forces versus negative distructive forces

Talking about trees doesnt mean necessarily talking about genealogy

The tree in kabbalah is a symbol

[thegates_are_always_open]

According to Kabbalah "thoughts do not originate from the physical matter of
the brain"..............the brain is merely a radio that transmits to our rational
consciousness

So where do thoughts originate from?They originate from 2 broadcast stations
that are on 24/7:the Light force and the Dark force
Everyone has a dark force within and when one fails to acknowledge this it is
the dark force at its best "patrolling the prisons ground"

The dark force is also called the EGO(everyone has one)

Another way to call this force is THE OPPONENT"

When we restrict our desire to indulge our ego and its desires in a reactive way than we find true happiness

"The Opponent lives in darkness and thrives on chaos. He is the motivating
force behind all human hills, from war and mass murder to drug abuse, broken diets, and consistent failure to carry out the trash.

The Opponent appearsto rule the world, but he has a dirty little secret-one he desperately does not want his human foils to learn.The Opponent is an
ILLUSION.

He is an extension of rational consciousness emanating from the Tree of Knowledge.His "law" works only because we accept and ackowledge it, and every time one of us acts upon an impulse to receive for the self alone, the spiritual energy w reject goes straight to the Opponent.
Even the Opponent must eat, and the only way we'll ever get rid of him is to keep the enrgy for ourselves and starve him to death.

The Opponent is the only entity in the universe with which we should not share

[john white]

Right. Kabbalah is is a form of magick.

I don't see it that way

"Kabbalism" is a ritual practice that could be considered "magick"

Yet "Kabbalah" is more accurately a body of knowledge from which that ritual system is devised

In essence, knowledge of the "tree of life" is simply knowledge of how the matrix is constructed, entirely seperate from any cultural tradition that may have been laid upon it over "time", or any specific form of using that understanding

[tinmenace]

To me, magick is making changes, or changing the outcome of something by using your will.

Kabbalah teaches techniques on how to do just that.

Simple magick can be as easy as closing the front door to stop a cold draft. ;)

[emma royds]

Hi emma, sure I’ll say.
Modern day science can only map a bare minimum of our dna.
Some say 10% or a little more or a little less. And we call the rest junk.
Ok we’ve sauced it, on to the next thing…

We are said to use 10% of our brains. Or a little more or a little less.
It is said there is 90% of the universe is invisible to our range of perception.

All these figures coincide like strawberries in a strawberry pie. Hmmm.

Imagine all the vast knowledge stored in the dna.
All the information, stories, history, memory, and ability.
Imagine the full functioning brain - body and what it could access.
Imagine how malleable reality is, how the dimensions groove.

We call our linage the family tree. There are stories around the world of the tree of life.
It is also known as the tree of knowledge and only later as the tree of good and evil.
It is the full knowledge of genetics, and what that might mean.
Imagine how every living structure can be broken down to the basic code level.
Imagine how we are all linked together.

There is also a connection to the trees sap, and the consistency of sperm.
Be aware of symbolism of trees, serpents in trees, apples, and decorations in christmass trees.

Hope that helped. ;)

Helped??? The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil are not the same. What books have you been reading???

[emma royds]

According to Kabbalah "thoughts do not originate from the physical matter of
the brain"..............the brain is merely a radio that transmits to our rational
consciousness

So where do thoughts originate from?They originate from 2 broadcast stations
that are on 24/7:the Light force and the Dark force
Everyone has a dark force within and when one fails to acknowledge this it is
the dark force at its best "patrolling the prisons ground"

The dark force is also called the EGO(everyone has one)

Another way to call this force is THE OPPONENT"

When we restrict our desire to indulge our ego and its desires in a reactive y than we find true happiness

"The Opponent lives in darkness and thrives on chaos. He is the motivating
force behind all human hills, from war and mass murder to drug abuse, broken diets, and consistent failure to carry out the trash.

The Opponent appearsto rule the world, but he has a dirty little secret-one he desperately does not want his human foils to learn.The Opponent is an
ILLUSION.

He is an extension of rational consciousness emanating from the Tree of Knowledge.His "law" works only because we accept and ackowledge it, and every time one of us acts upon an impulse to receive for the self alone, the spiritual energy w reject goes straight to the Opponent.
Even the Opponent must eat, and the only way we'll ever get rid of him is to keep the enrgy for ourselves and starve him to death.

The Opponent is the only entity in the universe with which we should not share

Sorry but I don't know where you learn't kabbalah but it seems different to everything I've read, and I've read a lot on the subject.

[thegates_are_always_open]

Sorry but I don't know where you learn't kabbalah but it seems different to everything I've read, and I've read a lot on the subject.


what have you read?

[a fine naked fellow]

Peace thee

Is it strange that I have an opinion? Or, why the need for justification?
You are so sure of yourselves. Why ask for an elaboration at all?
You say the two trees are different. I say they are one and the same.
Can we not agree to disagree? But you insist that I am wrong.

Why does it matter what books I have read?
May I not challenge all grounds and question all things?
And laugh and find grace in the twilight hour. Or this is madness.

Peace thee. And I will bring you the tree one last time.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6795/peacetreerl0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[jimijams]

Right. Kabbalah is is a form of magick.
The Omnipotent Magician Who Could not be Alone
http://files.kabbalahmedia.info/CD/WorldsBeyond/20__0014.MP3 :)

[thegates_are_always_open]

Sorry but I don't know where you learn't kabbalah but it seems different to everything I've read, and I've read a lot on the subject.

So far I have read "The 72 names of God" by Yehuda Berg

and "Taming Chaos" by Philp Berg

I am planning to read everything about kabbalah

I dont see how it could be possible that u haven't read about these things

if you say you read extensively about the subject

Id be glad if you shared with me what you have read about kabbalah

[jimijams]

I am planning to read everything about kabbalah

Loads of free audio and ebooks here.. http://www.kabbalah.info/ :)

[emma royds]

So far I have read "The 72 names of God" by Yehuda Berg

and "Taming Chaos" by Philp Berg

I am planning to read everything about kabbalah

I dont see how it could be possible that u haven't read about these things

if you say you read extensively about the subject

Id be glad if you shared with me what you have read about kabbalah

Ha ha, I have read a couple of the Berg's books, and I can say that they are not an authority on Kabbalah,despite his claims to have been taught by one of the leading authorites on kabbalah, Yehuda Berg is a former car salesman who founded the controversial Kabbalah centre for which Madonna and Britney spears are or were members. Hasn't done Britney much good has it? Anyway, what you will find in the Bergs books is nothing more than you would find in any of the hundreds of books available on Kabbalah tradition. If you really want to try and understand the mystical side Kabbalah which is the secret knowledge side of Kabbalah, then you need to be looking in the direction of the hermetic order of the golden dawn, or authors whose writing are based on the orders writings on the subject. You wont get any knowledge of value from the original Jewish Kabbalah because by tradition the knowledge is strictly passed on to only selected rabbi's that are above the age of 40 years. The usual spelling for the esoteric version of Kabbalah is qabalah. There are many books you can read, by former members of the golden dawn on qabalah, such as S.L McGregor Mathers, Wynn Westcott and the Infamous Aliester Crowley, and there are also many others of great value by non members of the golden dawn. If you are looking for a book on self initiation into qabalah, You might consider a book called The Aquarian Qabala by Naomi Ozaniac. This is a very informative and powerful book, but you should leave this book alone if you have any mental issues

[thegates_are_always_open]

Ha ha, I have read a couple of the Berg's books, and I can say that they are not an authority on Kabbalah,despite his claims to have been taught by one of the leading authorites on kabbalah, Yehuda Berg is a former car salesman who founded the controversial Kabbalah centre for which Madonna and Britney spears are or were members. Hasn't done Britney much good has it? Anyway, what you will find in the Bergs books is nothing more than you would find in any of the hundreds of books available on Kabbalah tradition. If you really want to try and understand the mystical side Kabbalah which is the secret knowledge side of Kabbalah, then you need to be looking in the direction of the hermetic order of the golden dawn, or authors whose writing are based on the orders writings on the subject. You wont get any knowledge of value from the original Jewish Kabbalah because by tradition the knowledge is strictly passed on to only selected rabbi's that are above the age of 40 years. The usual spelling for the esoteric version of Kabbalah is qabalah. There are many books you can read, by former members of the golden dawn on qabalah, such as S.L McGregor Mathers, Wynn Westcott and the Infamous Aliester Crowley, and there are also many others of great value by non members of the golden dawn. If you are looking for a book on self initiation into qabalah, You might consider a book called The Aquarian Qabala by Naomi Ozaniac. This is a very informative and powerful book, but you should leave this book alone if you have any mental issues


I am sorry but what you are saying is not correct in many points

[thegates_are_always_open]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="4"] Yehuda Berg is a former car salesman who founded the controversial Kabbalah centre for which Madonna and Britney spears are or were members. Hasn't done Britney much good has it?

What does the fact the he was a former car salesman has to do with the fact

that he is involved with kabbalah?

On what basis does the fact that Madonna is interested in the teachings of kabbalah and has been attracted to this Centre makes the centre less serious and less worthy

Third who's anyone to say or comment on how Britney or anyone else

who's directly or indirectly been exposed to kabbalah has improved spiritually

or not.............the whole point of studying kabbalah is mainly learning

how to restrict judgement on others

[thegates_are_always_open]

By tradition the knowledge is strictly passed on to only selected rabbi's that are above the age of 40 years.

This is not the case anymore............It used to be this way but not since about the last 10 years

[thegates_are_always_open]

You need to be looking in the direction of the hermetic order of the golden dawn

This is so incorrect

The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn is a secret society whose primary concern wasnt kabbalah..................Kabbalah represented just a part of the
influences that formed that Order and the teachings that were being passed
in secrecy

Kabbalah is universal is meant to be used and studied by anyone who's willing to improve their life through working on their own individual spiritual realm

What you can learn and find and study at the Kabbalh Centre is the same as all other Kabbalists in the world know and study

I even made research on www.Kabbalah.info which is definetely not associated with the Kabbalah Centres or the Bergs and they say the same things

I am sorry but The Order you mentioned delves into the Occult

Kabbalah in its essence it is about everything but Occult

[thegates_are_always_open]

Infamous Aliester Crowley

Well Kabbalah and satanism don't quite mix

[thegates_are_always_open]

The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (or, more commonly, [to avoid awkward verbosity], Golden Dawn) is a tradition of magical theurgy and spiritual development. It is probably the single greatest influence on twentieth century western occultism. Concepts of magic and ritual that became core elements of many other traditions, including Wicca, Thelema and other forms of magical spirituality popular today, are drawn from the Golden Dawn traditions.

The three founders, Dr. William Robert Woodman, William Wynn Westcott, and Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers were Freemasons and members of Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia (S.R.I.A.).[1] an appendant body to Freemasonry. Westcott, also a member of the Theosophical Society, appears to have been the initial driving force behind the establishment of the Golden Dawn.

Influences on Golden Dawn concepts and work INCLUDE: Christian mysticism, Kabbalah, Hermeticism, the religion of Ancient Egypt, Theurgy, Freemasonry, Alchemy, Theosophy, Eliphas Levi, Papus, Enochian magic, and Renaissance grimoires.

[thegates_are_always_open]

Secret socities may have had and may have an interest in kabbalah but

they don't represent the source of Kabbalah studying at all

[emma royds]

Secret socities may have had and may have an interest in kabbalah but

they don't represent the source of Kabbalah studying at all

I'm not going to bother answering all your points as I will be here all night. So I will stick to just one. Anyone from the jewish tradition claiming to be able to teach you the true mystical side of Kabbalah, when you are under the age of 40 years and not a Rabbi is a liar. And as for the Bergs, do your research on the Kabbalah centre and see how many family's have been split by it's cultish behaviour. Oh and by the way Mr Berg senior's claims to have been taught by one of the leading authorities on Kabbalah have never been proven, good sales technique though isn't it. Like I say do your research, and you will find a heap of controversy surrounding the bergs.


p.s why didn't you post your reply in one post rather than several?

[narcolepticwatchman]

Hi

I'm a student from Italy and I'd like to share and discuss something with you



I got to say, your english is better than mine mate!

[emma royds]

I got to say, your english is better than mine mate!

Isn't it just, his use of the english language is really good. The use of words like "verbosity" is quite exceptional for someone whose first language is not english.

[i am all i am]

Aleister Crowley

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Crowley with members of the A:. A:. performing the Rites of Eleusis at Caxton Hall, 1910
(from the Liverpool Courier, 28th Oct, 1910)
image reproduced from Ithel Colquhoun, The Sword of Wisdom MacGregor Mathers & the Golden Dawn , 1975, p.240

http://kheper.net/topics/Hermeticism/Crowley.htm


Aleister Crowley 1875-1947--Aleister Crowley is the occultist and Satanist that is maybe the most well known. His works "The Book of the Law", "Magick in Theory and Practice" and "The Book of Thoth" are broadly used in occult circuits. Crowley himself didn't take much credit for having written them, as he stated they were written by automatic handwriting, being channeled from a higher being called Aiwaz (or Aiwass).

Aleister Crowley
- Born in 1875. After leaving Trinity College of Cambridge he was introduced to George Cecil Jones, who introduced him to the Golden Dawn. Crowley was initiated into the GD in London in 1898.
- Soon the GD was split into two competing camps, one headed by Florence Farr in London and the other by MacGregor Mathers in Paris. When Crowley was denied access to the Second Order in London he went to Paris and was initiated by Mathers. Yeats and other members of the London branch then had Mathers and Crowley expelled.
- "In 1903, Crowley married Rose Kelly, and they went to Egypt on their honeymoon. After returning to Cairo in early 1904, Rose (who until this point had shown no interest or familiarity with the occult) began entering trance states and insisting to her husband that the god Horus was trying to contact him. As a test, Crowley took Rose to the Boulak Museum and asked her to point out Horus to him. She passed several well-known images of the god and led Aleister straight to a painted wooden funerary stele from the 26th dynasty, depicting Horus receiving a sacrifice from the deceased, a priest named Ankh-f-n-khonsu. Crowley was especially impressed by the fact that this piece was numbered 666 by the museum, a number with which he had identified since childhood." Brother Aleister Crowley

- Crowley divorced Rose in 1910 after she succumbed to alcoholic dementia and was placed in an asylum. Crowley's second wife also went insane, and five of his numerous mistresses committed suicide.
- Crowley was given the nickname of "The Beast" by his mother, and promoting this title himself he is commonly referred to as "The Great Beast," and was well known as "the wickedest man in the world."
- After splitting with the Golden Dawn he formed the AA, or Astrum Argentium, with G.C. Jones in 1906 to further his occult studies.
- In 1910 Crowley was contacted by the head of the O.T.O., the Ordo Templi Orientis, Theodore Reuss, and joined their order. Crowley took over in 1921 when Reuss suffered a stroke.
- The foundation of Crowley's belief was the slogan, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law," supposedly passed to him by his spirit guide Aiwass. Crowley was the tutor of Aldous Huxley, who was a champion of LSD and one of the greatest promoters of the social upheavals in America in the late 60's. Crowley's philosophy became reflected in the mantra of "If it feels good do it."
- A picture of Crowley appears on the cover of the Beatles "Sergeant Pepper's" album, and Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page bought Crowley's estate in Scotland.
- Crowley wrote an account of his spiritual progress in magic and Satanism under the title "The Temple of Solomon the King."

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/prophetsindex.htm

Aleister Crowley (1875-1947)
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Edward Alexander (Aleister) Crowley [rhymes with "holy"] was born October 12, 1875 in Leamington Spa, England. His parents were members of the Plymouth Brethren, a strict fundamentalist Christian sect. As a result, Aleister grew up with a thorough biblical education and an equally thorough disdain of Christianity.

He attended Trinity College at Cambridge University, leaving just before completing his degree. Shortly thereafter he was introduced to George Cecil Jones, who was a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. The Golden Dawn was an occult society led by S.L. MacGregor Mathers which taught magick, qabalah, alchemy, tarot, astrology, and other hermetic subjects. It had many notable members (including A.E. Waite, Dion Fortune, and W.B. Yeats), and its influence on the development of modern western occultism was profound.

Crowley was initiated into the Golden Dawn in 1898, and proceeded to climb up rapidly through the grades. But in 1900 the order was shattered by schism, and Crowley left England to travel extensively throughout the East. There he learned and practiced the mental and physical disciplines of yoga, supplementing his knowledge of western-style ritual magick with the methods of Oriental mysticism.

In 1903, Crowley married Rose Kelly, and they went to Egypt on their honeymoon. After returning to Cairo in early 1904, Rose (who until this point had shown no interest or familiarity with the occult) began entering trance states and insisting to her husband that the god Horus was trying to contact him. As a test, Crowley took Rose to the Boulak Museum and asked her to point out Horus to him. She passed several well-known images of the god and led Aleister straight to a painted wooden funerary stele from the 26th dynasty, depicting Horus receiving a sacrifice from the deceased, a priest named Ankh-f-n-khonsu. Crowley was especially impressed by the fact that this piece was numbered 666 by the museum, a number with which he had identified since childhood.

The upshot was that he began to listen to Rose, and at her direction, on three successive days beginning April 8, 1904, he entered his chamber at noon and wrote down what he heard dictated from a shadowy presence behind him. The result was the three chapters of verse known as Liber AL vel Legis, or The Book of the Law. This book heralded the dawning of the new aeon of Horus, which would be governed by the Law of Thelema. "Thelema" is a Greek word meaning "will", and the Law of Thelema is often stated as: "Do what thou wilt". As the prophet of this new aeon, Crowley spent the rest of his life working to develop and establish Thelemic philosophy.

In 1906 Crowley rejoined George Cecil Jones in England, where they set about the task of creating a magical order to continue where the Golden Dawn had left off. They called this order the A:.A:. (Astron Argon or Astrum Argentium or Silver Star), and it became the primary vehicle for the transmission of Crowley's mystical and magical training system based on the principles of Thelema.

Then in 1910 Crowley was contacted by Theodore Reuss, the head of an organization based in Germany called the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.). This group of high-ranking Freemasons claimed to have discovered the supreme secret of practical magick, which was taught in its highest degrees. Apparently Crowley agreed, becoming a member of O.T.O. and eventually taking over as head of the order when Reuss suffered a stroke in 1921. Crowley reformulated the rites of the O.T.O. to conform them to the Law of Thelema, and vested the organization with its main purpose of establishing Thelema in the world. The order also became independent of Freemasonry (although still based on the same patterns) and opened its membership to women and men who were not masons.

Aleister Crowley died in Hastings, England on December 1, 1947. However, his legacy lives on in the Law of Thelema which he brought to mankind (along with dozens of books and writings on magick and other mystical subjects), and in the orders A:.A:. and O.T.O. which continue to advance the principles of Thelema to this day.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/brother_alister_crowley.htm


With LOVE.

[jimijams]

Hi IAAIA, what relevance does Aleister Crowley have to the thread? Are you trying to make a point? Cause I missed it.

Jimi

[i am all i am]

Hi IAAIA, what relevance does Aleister Crowley have to the thread? Are you trying to make a point? Cause I missed it.

Jimi

G'day Jimijams.

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Crowley was a practitioner of the esoteric the qabala.

With LOVE.

[jimijams]

G'day Jimijams.

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http://www.amazon.com/Other-Qabalistic-Writings-Aleister-Crowley/dp/0877286701

Crowley was a practitioner of the esoteric the qabala.

With LOVE.
Thanks mate, I'll check it out.. Although I still don't understand the need to post such a long winded biography when a short quote and a link would of sufficed. Most of us here are aware of Crowleys antics.

[carlg1212]

I have recently started investigating kabbalah and what it is all about and surprisingly I have found many congruences between David's work and Kabbalh's explanation of the nature of Chaos and its version of the
vibrational prison that we inhabit


When Icke says "infinite love is the only truth, everything else is an illusion", he sounds a lot like the religious establishment.

But it's true - if we were kind and cared for each other, imagine how beautiful this planet would be.

Here's the kicker: Imagine hugging George Bush and saying "I forgive you". That's a big, big step.

[i am all i am]

Thanks mate, I'll check it out.. Although I still don't understand the need to post such a long winded biography when a short quote and a link would of sufficed. Most of us here are aware of Crowleys antics.

You're welcome brother.

I understand that most of us are aware of Crowley's connections. I thought that it would be prudent for anyone visiting that didn't understand, to have some background information about "the beast".

With LOVE.

[jimijams]

You're welcome brother.

I understand that most of us are aware of Crowley's connections. I thought that it would be prudent for anyone visiting that didn't understand, to have some background information about "the beast".

With LOVE.
Crowley was a misogynist, egoist and a drug addict and although he may of used the knowledge of the Kabbalah or QBLH he most definitley wasn't a Kabbalist.

[jimijams]

Hermetic Qabalah

The study of Kabbalah is widespread within non-Jewish Western Esoteric (or Hermetic) Tradition. In this context it is most often transliterated as Qabalah to differentiate it from the Jewish tradition.

Kabbalah was absorbed into the Hermetic tradition at least as early as the 15th century when Giovanni Pico della Mirandola promoted a syncretic world-view combining Platonism, Neoplatonism, Aristotelianism, Hermeticism and Kabbalah. This was further developed by Athanasius Kircher, a Jesuit priest, hermeticist and polymath, who wrote extensively on the subject in 1652, bringing further elements such as Orphism and Egyptian mythology to the mix. Modern Hermetic Qabalah retains this syncretism, but continues to share much with Jewish Kabbalah. Hermetic Qabalah has been a major influence upon both the neo-Pagan and New Age movements.

Hermetic Qabalah probably reached its peak in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, a 19th century organization that was arguably the pinnacle of ceremonial magic. Within the Golden Dawn the syncretic fusing of Qabalistic principles such as the ten Sephiroth with Greek and Egyptian deities was made more cohesive and was extended to encompass other systems such as the Enochian system of angelic magic of John Dee and certain Eastern (particularly Hindu and Buddhist) concepts, all within the structure of a Masonic- or Rosicrucian-style esoteric order. Many of the Golden Dawn's rituals were published (with some inaccuracies) by the occultist Aleister Crowley; eventually the entire corpus was published in book form by Israel Regardie, an author of some note.

Crowley's own writings on the Qabalah were idiosyncratic, and in some cases purposely blasphemous. However his book Liber 777 is a good illustration of the wider Hermetic approach. It is simply a set of tables relating various parts of ceremonial magic and Eastern and Western religion to thirty-two numbers representing the ten spheres and twenty-two paths of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. The attitude of syncretism embraced by Hermetic Qabalists is plainly evident here, where for instance the correspondences of Chesed (חסד "Mercy") are given as Jupiter, Isis, the color blue (on the Queen Scale), Poseidon, Brahma, and amethysts. These associations are not shared with the Jewish Kabbalah.
Kabbalah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[stikmata]

Here's the kicker: Imagine hugging George Bush and saying "I forgive you". That's a big, big step.


I would love to chill and get faded w/ Dubbya.... i bet he is HILARIOUS... with that devilish lil "heh heh heh" giggle. I'd love to go out w/ Clinton and Bush as my wing men. Dub would have the coke to lure in the horny n hot coke-whores and Clinton would VOULENTEER to keep the fat friends busy :eek: w00000000000000000000t!

[tru3]

The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (or, more commonly, [to avoid awkward verbosity], Golden Dawn) is a tradition of magical theurgy and spiritual development. It is probably the single greatest influence on twentieth century western occultism. Concepts of magic and ritual that became core elements of many other traditions, including Wicca, Thelema and other forms of magical spirituality popular today, are drawn from the Golden Dawn traditions.

The three founders, Dr. William Robert Woodman, William Wynn Westcott, and Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers were Freemasons and members of Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia (S.R.I.A.).[1] an appendant body to Freemasonry. Westcott, also a member of the Theosophical Society, appears to have been the initial driving force behind the establishment of the Golden Dawn.

Influences on Golden Dawn concepts and work INCLUDE: Christian mysticism, Kabbalah, Hermeticism, the religion of Ancient Egypt, Theurgy, Freemasonry, Alchemy, Theosophy, Eliphas Levi, Papus, Enochian magic, and Renaissance grimoires.

yes, and here's the babylonian tree of life, which predates them all:

http://www.bible-history.com/people/assyrians/symbol_assur_babylonian_tree_of_life.gif

according to micheal baigent, the judaic system of qabbalah emerged from the time of nebuchadnezzar, when the tribes were in babylon.

my main issue with qabbalah is that it is a system of symbols, based on symbols; therefore twice removed from direct experience.

if you must study "q", then please be sure to check out the blue school of claudette melchizedek. there is a right-hand and a left-hand path to all this business, my friend. anyway, here's the link:

http://www.drunvalo.net/claudette.html

[thegates_are_always_open]

I got to say, your english is better than mine mate!

lol I wish

thanks

where r u from?

I suppose England coz u said mate :-)

[emma royds]

lol I wish

thanks

where r u from?

I suppose England coz u said mate :-)


Classic!

An Italian that even use's Anglo/American slang

"Coz U Said Mate" Lol, whose telling porky's then

[thegates_are_always_open]

Classic!

An Italian that even use's Anglo/American slang

"Coz U Said Mate" Lol, whose telling porky's then


Mmmhh I think you are plugged into the Matrix Programme ... how does

David call it? oh yes Programme I AM THIS AND YOU ARE THAT

[emma royds]

Mmmhh I think you are plugged into the Matrix Programme ... how does

David call it? oh yes Programme I AM THIS AND YOU ARE THAT

You think, therefore you are, I think therefore I am. LOL.