Ancient Tablet Evidence Of Jesus Myth ?

[chattanova]

Ancient Tablet Evidence of Jesus Myth?

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An ancient Hebrew tablet is creating a stir after certain scholars identified it as containing a pre-Christian account of the awaited Jewish messiah's death and resurrection after three days. If this artifact is genuine, from the era claimed, and actually says what is asserted, the discovery clearly demonstrates that the idea of a messiah, savior or divine redeemer dying and rising after three days existed decades before the alleged advent of Jesus Christ. This dying-and-resurrecting motif is one of a number that various writers and scholars have claimed demonstrate Jesus to represent not a "historical" personage but a mythical concept found in religious ideologies and mythologies long prior to the so-called Christian era.

A recent article in the New York Times expresses caution concerning the find, as it has not been conclusively proved to be from the era in question, some years to decades prior to the common era, or to discuss what it is alleged to relate. However, the article also concludes that if the tablet is truly what it is purported to be, then:


"Resurrection after three days becomes a motif developed before Jesus, which runs contrary to nearly all scholarship."

The idea of this motif existing before Christ "runs contrary to nearly all scholarship," except for that of "Jesus mythicists," including in my books, The Christ Conspiracy, Suns of God, Who Was Jesus? and Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection.

In fact, if genuine, this tablet would constitute not "prophecy" of Christ's alleged advent but a primary source for a BLUEPRINT used in the creation of the fictional Jesus character - a theme I repeatedly address in my work. Indeed, the educated Jews of the Diaspora, including the very important Egyptian city of Alexandria, were undoubtedly well aware of the ubiquitous story of the god Osiris, "Lord of Resurrections," who was said to have died and been resurrected after three days, as stated in ancient Egyptian texts that predate the alleged time of Jesus by hundreds to thousands of years. It may well be that the Jewish priesthood in Judea - a mere stone's throw from their many brethren in Egypt - were also quite knowledgeable of this highly important god and his resurrection, which promised hope to hundreds of millions of Egyptians over a period of several thousand years, long prior to the purported time of Jesus Christ. If so, we would logically expect from their own religion-making efforts just such writings as are alleged to be found on this extraordinary tablet.

New York Times
July 6, 2008

Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection
By ETHAN BRONNER

JERUSALEM — A three-foot-tall tablet with 87 lines of Hebrew that scholars believe dates from the decades just before the birth of Jesus is causing a quiet stir in biblical and archaeological circles, especially because it may speak of a messiah who will rise from the dead after three days.

If such a messianic description really is there, it will contribute to a developing re-evaluation of both popular and scholarly views of Jesus, since it suggests that the story of his death and resurrection was not unique but part of a recognized Jewish tradition at the time.

The tablet, probably found near the Dead Sea in Jordan according to some scholars who have studied it, is a rare example of a stone with ink writings from that era — in essence, a Dead Sea Scroll on stone.

It is written, not engraved, across two neat columns, similar to columns in a Torah. But the stone is broken, and some of the text is faded, meaning that much of what it says is open to debate.

Still, its authenticity has so far faced no challenge, so its role in helping to understand the roots of Christianity in the devastating political crisis faced by the Jews of the time seems likely to increase....

Given the highly charged atmosphere surrounding all Jesus-era artifacts and writings, both in the general public and in the fractured and fiercely competitive scholarly community, as well as the concern over forgery and charlatanism, it will probably be some time before the tablet’s contribution is fully assessed....
Ms. Yardeni, who analyzed the stone along with Binyamin Elitzur, is an expert on Hebrew script, especially of the era of King Herod, who died in 4 B.C. The two of them published a long analysis of the stone more than a year ago in Cathedra, a Hebrew-language quarterly devoted to the history and archaeology of Israel, and said that, based on the shape of the script and the language, the text dated from the late first century B.C....

"This should shake our basic view of Christianity," [Knohl] said as he sat in his office of the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem where he is a senior fellow in addition to being the Yehezkel Kaufman Professor of Biblical Studies at Hebrew University. "Resurrection after three days becomes a motif developed before Jesus, which runs contrary to nearly all scholarship. What happens in the New Testament was adopted by Jesus and his followers based on an earlier messiah story."...

Mr. Knohl said...[the tablet] strongly suggested that a savior who died and rose after three days was an established concept at the time of Jesus....

http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2008/07/ancient-tablet-evidence-of-jesus-myth.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/world/middleeast/06stone.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

[dedicate]

"An ancient Hebrew tablet is creating a stir" -- or might it be, "controversy is being intentionally stirred-up by us the media, and controlers, and all those with a Zionist agenda. To keep the Jesus debate alive.... two sides.. remember.. create two sides to every issue... and people will fight amongst themselves just to keep an equilibrium"?

"certain scholars" And does this mean that they are really really sure scholars, or that it is some specific scholars yet identified?

This article points up why I hate the media, or any rag, or any informative agency today. They are screwing with our minds. Tryng to keep us in the Matrix. --- now, Whether or not there is an awakening going on, and whether or not 2012 will be the "cut off" date, is an aside, but the truth seems to be that the individual is usually centuries behind his true evolutionary calling, emotionally, intellectually and spiritually. The Matrix likes it that way. Put that on your tablet and stir up some real controversy. Because people wont' know what to think about it... that's real controversy. Not the left/right, this way/that way, so called controversy we are presented with dailey here.

"Pre Christian account of the awaited Jewish Messiah's death and resurrection after three days".. does anyone else notice the horrid sentence structure here? Are they stating that there is an-other account of a resurrected messiah before Jesus? Because them using the word "awaited" really throws the sentence out of balence.

Anyway, the dumbing down of the masses,--the CONTROL MACHINE at work..(Matrix)... and "SCOLARS", "AUTHORITIES", and guys in suits who we are told to bow to like they were the Jesus, and how this card is played all time. I wouldn't believe anthing about this article.. NOTHING. That rock is probably an old scribble stone for Hitite punks. And In cases like this, I,m learning more and more to use my own eyes, heart and mind.

[seven_star_hand]

Yes, Jesus is a myth, but I'd be very careful about this particular "find." Smells fishy and the timing is way too convenient.

On the other hand, there is ample proof that Jesus Christ is a Roman deception based upon lies told about me and the other saints. The time has arrived for the removal of ignorance. I will now begin to collect my due from Rome and its world-wide mystery empire.

As I've asserted in earlier articles:

The Sacred Pomp's wings are now stubble...
...before a mighty wind. Double unto them double (11:11), fearless, guileless, breathing sparks!!

Perhaps David will do a special with me as the focus now that I have proven my skills as the true Messiah and Prophet... (http://twocandlesticks.blogspot.com/2007/12/sacred-pomps-wings-are-now-stubble.html)

As the glove stings the [sub]rosy cheek...

Here is Wisdom... (http://vatican-evil-illuminated.blogspot.com/)

[dedicate]

What is meant by, "lies told about me and the other saints." Could you clarify or give specifics. Are you saying you are a Catholic saint? or are you saying you are a Mormon?. What lies? Funny that you would use the term 'saint' and then say that Jesus is a myth.-- hereby all saints give credence to the reality of Jesus?!? No saint worth his salt would use the word "myth" and apply it to Jesus (i.e. Saint Emmerich, Saint Bruno, Saint Francis of Assisi). And could you tell me about salt? Why would Jesus have said, "you are the salt of the earth." -- is there an alchemical reason for saying thus? Regards..

[phildee3]

Yes, Jesus is a myth,


...and myth is more true than history.

Besides, the heavenly realms are not bound by the same laws of time.

The Druids in Glastonbury knew the story long before the first missionaries arrived with the gospel in the first century.

It is a timeless myth,
...and very real!

[dedicate]

Phildee.. Are you saying that the Jesus never walked the Earth? Does not exist now, as say other people who have passed on still do exist?..??

What were those Celtic stories that you refer to? Were they myths or actual accounts of holy men who suffered and were murdered thus to be seen afterwards?

The way I see it, Jesus, the holy man, the maha-avatara, actually walked the Earth and was murdered. So it is history. But there is more to it, too. Jesus -- the AVATARA-- brought something new to the table. For example, the gospels put in print actual spiritual initiations that were never before allowed to be taught to masses of people. Also, he brought the World religion of Christianity to the fore,,-- brotherly love, self-sacrifice, "do good to those that do bad to you".. and then the actual true Christ Spirit that now graces our world because of this man, etc...

So,,,-- it is a myth (in the Joseph Campbell classical sense of the word -- a story to follow to fulfill your personal destiny). But "myth" hardly explains it fully. What you think?

[phildee3]

Phildee.. Are you saying that the Jesus never walked the Earth? Does not exist now, as say other people who have passed on still do exist?..??

What were those Celtic stories that you refer to? Were they myths or actual accounts of holy men who suffered and were murdered thus to be seen afterwards?

The way I see it, Jesus, the holy man, the maha-avatara, actually walked the Earth and was murdered. So it is history. But there is more to it, too. Jesus -- the AVATARA-- brought something new to the table. For example, the gospels put in print actual spiritual initiations that were never before allowed to be taught to masses of people. Also, he brought the World religion of Christianity to the fore,,-- brotherly love, self-sacrifice, "do good to those that do bad to you".. and then the actual true Christ Spirit that now graces our world because of this man, etc...

So,,,-- it is a myth (in the Joseph Campbell sense of the word). and there is truth to the story. What you think?

The story that I refer to is the story of Jesus.

Yes, he did actually walk the earth, but that is not what is of primary importance.
What is, is the myth.

The Christ (the logos) was born before time was
(this is basic stuff; - "born of the Father before all ages")
but he was also crucified, resurrected, and all the rest, before the beginning of time.
This is the myth and is of primary importance.
It was "read" by several cultures BCE, - which their mythologies reveal.

The historical Jesus was infused fully with the Christos and so he played out the pre-existing mythos in human form.

[kblood]

Im not really sure that Jesus really died, it just seemed better to keep him a martyr. Then they could control his story. Jesus knew the romans wouldnt want him to stick around, so he probably left for some other country, like his discibles.

Its one of many lies in the bible from my point of view. Like why are they saying Jesus was a white guy? So many churces with this image of a christ with white skin and brown hair and brown eyes, but why white skin? So his family wasnt from where he grew up? Seems to me that its most logical that he was white.

If he was capable of healing the lame and such then I also find it questionable that he allowed himself to die in such a way in the first place, more likely just because he would leave it at that, before being accused of being a witch and a heretic or demon. Not following the laws of nature is likely to make people confused and often angry.

[diamond dogs]

An ancient Hebrew tablet is creating a stir after certain scholars identified it as containing a pre-Christian account of the awaited Jewish messiah's death and resurrection after three days. If this artifact is genuine, from the era claimed, and actually says what is asserted, the discovery clearly demonstrates that the idea of a messiah, savior or divine redeemer dying and rising after three days existed decades before the alleged advent of Jesus Christ. This dying-and-resurrecting motif is one of a number that various writers and scholars have claimed demonstrate Jesus to represent not a "historical" personage but a mythical concept found in religious ideologies and mythologies long prior to the so-called Christian era.

A recent article in the New York Times expresses caution concerning the find, as it has not been conclusively proved to be from the era in question, some years to decades prior to the common era, or to discuss what it is alleged to relate. However, the article also concludes that if the tablet is truly what it is purported to be, then:

Could it be related to Mithra

Mithra - Born of a virgin on 25 December around 600 BC.

The popular Cult of Mithra (or Mithras) was indeed an embarrassment to the early church. Its roots are probably in Syria and it is believed to be an offshoot of the Persian cult of Zoroaster. It seems to have been introduced into the Roman Empire around 67 BC. Born in a stable to a virgin, birthday celebrated on 25 December, died and reborn, Passover celebrated around Easter, whose rites of worship involved the ingestion of food and drink that were symbolic of eating the flesh of Mithra, and all this 600 years before the birth of Christ. Also included were rites of baptism, the belief in immortality, resurrection, a judgement at the end between Heaven and Hell, and a saviour who died and was resurrected to act as a mediator between man and God.

[seven_star_hand]

Yes, I agree whole-heartedly that "someone" walked the earth. But Jesus is a Roman deception based on lies about the true saints and sages.

If you understood what the seven stars in my right hand symbolized (http://homepage.mac.com/sevenstarhand/Vatican_Evil_Illuminated/vatican_lies_prologue.html), you'd understand that you are talking to the real McCoy, hence "The Just One," which is only one title among many throughout many lifetimes.

Jesus is a Roman deception though. The evidence is overwhelming that Rome created its own "Messiah" with which to deceive the entire world. So far, it has worked like a charm (pun intended).

There is comprehensive proof that the symbolism of many ancient texts, canons, and concepts is an advanced and extremely ancient spiritual & philosophical technology that predates all extant religions and mystery schools. Consequently, there is proof, beyond disproof, that all three so-called "Faiths of Abraham" are purposeful deceptions.

It's Symbology Stupid... (http://twocandlesticks.blogspot.com/)

Here is Wisdom !! (http://sevenstarhand.blogspot.com/)

[dedicate]

I can understand: The historical Jesus was infused fully with the Christos and so he played out the pre-existing mythos in human form. But I don't see how that is the most important thing. Maybe you could say more about that.

The only time i hear "myth" in relation to the Jesus story is either by the profane or in Theosophical terms. I think the later is what your getting at, Phildee.

Playing out a myth is something we are all able to do. So it doesn't surprise me that Jesus would be playing out some Cosmic myth.

One myth that we as individuals are currently working-with/in-tune-to is the MATRIX myth. That movie, the Matrix, showed what is the modern myth exceptionally well, and there is a lot to learn from it. The Matrix is a modern myth. The drama can be traced to the begining of time, the movie is fiction, but today it is sooo real.-- a myth.

[amethyst]

...and myth is more true than history.

Besides, the heavenly realms are not bound by the same laws of time.

The Druids in Glastonbury knew the story long before the first missionaries arrived with the gospel in the first century.

It is a timeless myth,
...and very real!

Yep, He walked on the earth in bodily form being God and man at the same time. Jesus the Christ.

[dedicate]

Get out of here. Jesus is not God.

[amethyst]

Yes, I agree whole-heartedly that "someone" walked the earth. But Jesus is a Roman deception based on lies about the true saints and sages.

If you understood what the seven stars in my right hand symbolized (http://homepage.mac.com/sevenstarhand/Vatican_Evil_Illuminated/vatican_lies_prologue.html), you'd understand that you are talking to the real McCoy, hence "The Just One," which is only one title among many throughout many lifetimes.

Jesus is a Roman deception though. The evidence is overwhelming that Rome created its own "Messiah" with which to deceive the entire world. So far, it has worked like a charm (pun intended).

There is comprehensive proof that the symbolism of many ancient texts, canons, and concepts is an advanced and extremely ancient spiritual & philosophical technology that predates all extant religions and mystery schools. Consequently, there is proof, beyond disproof, that all three so-called "Faiths of Abraham" are purposeful deceptions.

It's Symbology Stupid... (http://twocandlesticks.blogspot.com/)

Here is Wisdom !! (http://sevenstarhand.blogspot.com/)

Jesus wasn't a Roman deception. Jesus, the suffering servant, was talked about prophetically (before Rome hijacked His persona and His message) in the Old Testament books such as Isaiah chapter 53, where it talks about a "Man of sorrows and aquainted with grief" (Isaiah 53:3)

Jesus's life and story was convenient for the Roman church, because they used it to subjugate the people and keep them in line. They "used" Him and His teachings in other words. Like most good things that get corrupted.

Quite the opposite of Jesus's message, which was about liberty and true freedom. ""The truth shall set you free" statement originated with Him before Icke! :D

[amethyst]

Get out of here. Jesus is not God.

Well Jesus did say:

John 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

And;

John 14:11 "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

So He was representative of God when He walked around on the earth seems like.

[dedicate]

Yeh. yu love to quote John.-- the most misundestood book of the NT.. Because that book has to be understood with the eyes of a Mystic. I and God are one.. can be said by any person.

If Jesus was God then why did he pray to himself? Why would he ask God to
forgive them if he were God? Why would he say "Why have you forsaken me?"...


So, really when Jesus was on the cross... he was saying, "Why have I forsaken myself">?>>> Jesus also said, "What I have done.. you will do and greater things".. God would not expect that.

No, Jesus is not God. Representative of God..? yes. A Representative.. like we send our representatives to the legislature.. jesus may have been sent by God to represent him .-- and Jesus should be given the respect the office holds. But that is not God.

[dedicate]

There is a story in the Vedas about a man who was THE GOD.. That is the story of Krishna. Now whether he existed or not, or if this is just a story, can be and is debated.. but the point is, here is a story of God on earth.

You should read it. The story of Krisna is the story of God on Earth. Krisna is standing on the battlefield with young Arjuna, and Arjuna says "If you are God, then why don't you just kill the raskals we are fighting?".. Krisna says -- "Arjuna, I have already killed them. And you have already won the battle. Now it is time for you to do what you must do, and fight. This is my Yoga (religion)"... Later Krisna reveals his true form to Arjuna, and Arjuna can barely stand up to what he sees. God in flesh? True? Could be. But this is not the story of Jesus.

[phildee3]

The only time i hear "myth" in relation to the Jesus story is either by the profane or in Theosophical terms. I think the later is what your getting at, Phildee.



I'm using the word in it's original sense as theosophists do, yes.
It's use to mean "falsehood" is a relatively modern corruption.



I can understand: The historical Jesus was infused fully with the Christos and so he played out the pre-existing mythos in human form. But I don't see how that is the most important thing. Maybe you could say more about that.



It is important, in order to achieve the objective of re-ligion (ie. to join), that we worship the divine Christos, not the human vessel.
Jesus, himself, said this.

Jesus is brother, teacher, friend, guide, avatar, guru;
Christ is the divine logos (the goal of re-ligion) which he reveals.

When I say that Christ is more important than (or primary to) Jesus it is in the sense that s/he exists a priori,
in the same way that the idea of a thing is more important than the thing itself for without it, it would not exist.

[amethyst]

Yeh. yu love to quote John.-- the most misundestood book of the NT.. Because that book has to be understood with the eyes of a Mystic. I and God are one.. can be said by any person.

If Jesus was God then why did he pray to himself? Why would he ask God to
forgive them if he were God? Why would he say "Why have you forsaken me?"...


So, really when Jesus was on the cross... he was saying, "Why have I forsaken myself">?>>> Jesus also said, "What I have done.. you will do and greater things".. God would not expect that.

No, Jesus is not God. Representative of God..? yes. A Representative.. like we send our representatives to the legislature.. jesus may have been sent by God to represent him .-- and Jesus should be given the respect the office holds. But that is not God.

Didn't realise I quoted from the book of John a lot. But if you say so.....;)

Jesus is part of the godhead....there's the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.....Three parts, one God. Just different aspects of the same God.

Sorta like your hand...well, there's five parts to a hand, but all your 5 fingers are still part of your 1 hand...and each 5 fingers has a specific function to do...but yet it's still a part of the hand. If one of the fingers was separated from the hand, your hand wouldn't work properly, hense you need them all.

So God being God, can be walking on the earth in bodily form and at the same time be in heaven also. He's not limited like we are right now in this domain.

[brio313]

There is a story in the Vedas about a man who was THE GOD.. That is the story of Krishna. Now whether he existed or not, or if this is just a story, can be and is debated.. but the point is, here is a story of God on earth.

You should read it. The story of Krisna is the story of God on Earth. Krisna is standing on the battlefield with young Arjuna, and Arjuna says "If you are God, then why don't you just kill the raskals we are fighting?".. Krisna says -- "Arjuna, I have already killed them. And you have already won the battle. Now it is time for you to do what you must do, and fight. This is my Yoga (religion)"... Later Krisna reveals his true form to Arjuna, and Arjuna can barely stand up to what he sees. God in flesh? True? Could be. But this is not the story of Jesus.

Word is bond, you nailed it!:D
Always refreshing to read your posts dedicate....;)

[octopusrex]

God within, God without, God inside, God outside..

Again, if you have to ask...