View Full Version : Should all Politicians be microchiped.
bicycle
20-04-2007, 09:04 PM
That way we can keep an eye on them and find out which ones go to masonic lodges and other dodgey places.;)
Great idea lol yes as long as we had access to be able to track there every movemnet then they couldnt expect us to complain could they .
I see top scientist suggesting we tag the elderly so the government can keep an eye on them and families could as well .Call me old fashioned but what happened to visiting and telephone calls then ?:D
whitenight639
20-04-2007, 11:25 PM
Great idea lol yes as long as we had access to be able to track there every movemnet then they couldnt expect us to complain could they .
I see top scientist suggesting we tag the elderly so the government can keep an eye on them and families could as well .Call me old fashioned but what happened to visiting and telephone calls then ?:D
Thats wrong.. who even suggested that? why would you possible need to tag old people? its not like there going to run away from home in a drunken state with there new lover!
or go out steeling cars / shoplifting?!
shadow cat
21-04-2007, 03:47 AM
Thats wrong.. who even suggested that? why would you possible need to tag old people? its not like there going to run away from home in a drunken state with there new lover!
or go out steeling cars / shoplifting?!
Wanna Bet?? ;) :eek:
oneofmany
21-04-2007, 04:28 AM
Anyone dumb enough to put their hand up and volunteer for a microchip, should get one implanted, post haste, same goes for people that want to join the military, give them a rifle and ship them off to the nearest war zone. I'm all for giving people whatever they desire :D and whether they desire an implantable chip, or a bullet in the head, it's their choice, just don't inflict it upon ME :eek:
Ian2day
21-04-2007, 11:58 AM
Anyone dumb enough to put their hand up and volunteer for a microchip, should get one implanted, post haste, same goes for people that want to join the military, give them a rifle and ship them off to the nearest war zone. I'm all for giving people whatever they desire :D and whether they desire an implantable chip, or a bullet in the head, it's their choice, just don't inflict it upon ME :eek:
I would disagree with this to a certain extent. Have you never heard of conditioning? How people are created by the society that the elites have made. People are a product more or less of their environment. I believe that all people have value and a contribution to make to the empowerment of humanity.
Even the elites are just victims of the conditioning that they have been subjected to. And, if you believe the Reptillian hypothesis, then you subscribe to the belief that the elites are controlled by beings either from this or another dimension. As Icke also says, the Reptillians are also just a part of the Matrix, and are just as imprisoned in it as we all are.
It's the Matrix itself which is oppressing and exploiting humanity. The Reptillians therefore are just as much being used as we all are. The conflict and finger pointing is created by the Matrix for a reason. As long as we all point the finger at each other, or at beings from other dimensions. Then the real cause of, this five sense 3d reality imprisonment. Will never be addressed. Infinite love is the only truth everything else is just an illusion bought about to contain us all in the Matrix. Now granted I know, saying infinite love... is a lot easier than living it.
oneofmany
21-04-2007, 12:08 PM
Don't you believe it's a persons choice to wake up or not? we've all been conditioned by Government, Religion, Media etc, but unless you make the choice to find an alternative, I believe you deserve what's coming to you. The information is out there for everybody to find, but once again it comes down to choice of whether you want to find it or not.
Ian2day
21-04-2007, 12:43 PM
Don't you believe it's a persons choice to wake up or not? we've all been conditioned by Government, Religion, Media etc, but unless you make the choice to find an alternative, I believe you deserve what's coming to you. The information is out there for everybody to find, but once again it comes down to choice of whether you want to find it or not.
The conditioning begins to take place before we are fully formed. An example is the food your mother eats or the exposure in the environment to pollutants while in your mothers womb. So some people will not be in a position to find out for themselves. As they will of had the ability. To develop to a point where they can discern and critically evaluate information. Effectively taken from them. For want of a better term, their developmental stage is stuck, and they are unable to overcome the conditioning which they have been subjected to.
The conditioning is throughout society. It starts with the primary socialisation stage where serial reproduction takes place of culturally important information. Where we are taught that it's ok to rob or not ok to rob others. When we learn our values base. These are created for us. We are just a bunch of repeaters. We repeat what we are told. Everything is created to control. It started with symbols before the technology moved forward into the written word. Symbols are used in society as they can contain powerful messages that are absorbed at a subconscious level. So we are subjected to all manner of influences throughout our development.
Our development is a response to external stimuli. An internalisation takes place of these influences. This creates conflict, some people are unable to accept the conflict and move on as a conditioned being. They don't overcome the emotional distress this causes and so they will not shut up about things like 9/11. Or Invading Iraq. Stealing Oil. Unlawful taxation and property seizures. These people have for some reason not succumbed to the conditioning totally. Or they have experienced an event, or a series of events, that has called upon them to question the socially constructed version of reality they live in.
oneofmany
21-04-2007, 01:03 PM
The conditioning begins to take place before we are fully formed. An example is the food your mother eats or the exposure in the environment to pollutants while in your mothers womb. So some people will not be in a position to find out for themselves. As they will of had the ability. To develop to a point where they can discern and critically evaluate information. Effectively taken from them. For want of a better term, their developmental stage is stuck, and they are unable to overcome the conditioning which they have been subjected to.
The conditioning is throughout society. It starts with the primary socialisation stage where serial reproduction takes place of culturally important information. Where we are taught that it's ok to rob or not ok to rob others. When we learn our values base. These are created for us. We are just a bunch of repeaters. We repeat what we are told. Everything is created to control. It started with symbols before the technology moved forward into the written word. Symbols are used in society as they can contain powerful messages that are absorbed at a subconscious level. So we are subjected to all manner of influences throughout our development.
Our development is a response to external stimuli. An internalisation takes place of these influences. This creates conflict, some people are unable to accept the conflict and move on as a conditioned being. They don't overcome the emotional distress this causes and so they will not shut up about things like 9/11. Or Invading Iraq. Stealing Oil. Unlawful taxation and property seizures. These people have for some reason not succumbed to the conditioning totally. Or they have experienced an event, or a series of events, that has called upon them to question the socially constructed version of reality they live in.
At the end of the day, It still comes down to choice, how can it not, If your infinite love and Infinite knowing, it must be your choice, whatever you do. just because somebody doesn't believe what you do for instance, it's their choice not to, regardless of conditioning. In the matrix, if your programmed to believe something over another thing, it is still your choice to turn off that particular program or not. Infinite love gives you ALL choices.
Ian2day
21-04-2007, 01:33 PM
At the end of the day, It still comes down to choice, how can it not, If your infinite love and Infinite knowing, it must be your choice, whatever you do. just because somebody doesn't believe what you do for instance, it's their choice not to, regardless of conditioning. In the matrix, if your programmed to believe something over another thing, it is still your choice to turn off that particular program or not. Infinite love gives you ALL choices.
This choice is worthless if it is based on inaccurate information. If you are told that sugar free drinks are healthier. But have sugar replaced with artificial sweeteners, without being told of the health risks associated with consuming it. Or are given misleading information and are unable to discern that the information you have is not to be trusted. Then do you have a free choice? I don't think that you do. The power to make that choice and decide and voice your objections, your autonomy has been undermined to make you dependant on the system of control; exploitation; and oppression. Is it really choice if you lack the information needed to make an informed choice. The system is set up with many barriers created to oppress. These are both overt and covert. So choice is not really choice if you lack the ability to make an informed choice due to the system itself.
oneofmany
21-04-2007, 01:50 PM
This choice is worthless if it is based on inaccurate information. If you are told that sugar free drinks are healthier. But have sugar replaced with artificial sweeteners, without being told of the health risks associated with consuming it. Or are given misleading information and are unable to discern that the information you have is not to be trusted. Then do you have a free choice? I don't think that you do. The power to make that choice and decide and voice your objections, your autonomy has been undermined to make you dependant on the system of control; exploitation; and oppression. Is it really choice if you lack the information needed to make an informed choice. The system is set up with many barriers created to oppress. These are both overt and covert. So choice is not really choice if you lack the ability to make an informed choice due to the system itself.I disagree and that's my choice. See :) go back and re read what I've said. It's a choice to seek out the information or not. To see the truth and act upon it is also a choice, it's just some people are uncomfortable with the truth, that's why they prefer to live a lie. All information is out there to be found, so ignorance is no excuse, it's a choice. If we don't have CHOICE, we have nothing. I'm not going to change your mind on the issue and that is your choice, and your welcome to it. at the end of the day, the system is just another excuse for not making a choice and bogging yourself down in the matrix.
i am all i am
21-04-2007, 01:52 PM
This choice is worthless if it is based on inaccurate information. If you are told that sugar free drinks are healthier. But have sugar replaced with artificial sweeteners, without being told of the health risks associated with consuming it. Or are given misleading information and are unable to discern that the information you have is not to be trusted. Then do you have a free choice? I don't think that you do. The power to make that choice and decide and voice your objections, your autonomy has been undermined to make you dependant on the system of control; exploitation; and oppression. Is it really choice if you lack the information needed to make an informed choice. The system is set up with many barriers created to oppress. These are both overt and covert. So choice is not really choice if you lack the ability to make an informed choice due to the system itself.
G'day Ian2day.
All is one, therfore, nothing is worthless.
Choice cannot be taken away from you. The system attempts to get you to believe that there is no choice...ILLUSION...everything that you experience and express is a choice.
With LOVE.
umbrex
21-04-2007, 01:54 PM
only if it was an emo chip which actually made them happy.
oneofmany
21-04-2007, 01:55 PM
G'day Ian2day.
All is one, therfore, nothing is worthless.
Choice cannot be taken away from you. The system attempts to get you to believe that there is no choice...ILLUSION...everything that you experience and express is a choice.
With LOVE.Exactly Brother
Ian2day
21-04-2007, 01:55 PM
I disagree and that's my choice. See :) go back and re read what I've said. It's a choice to seek out the information or not. To see the truth and act upon it is also a choice, it's just some people are uncomfortable with the truth, that's why they prefer to live a lie. All information is out there to be found, so ignorance is no excuse, it's a choice. If we don't have CHOICE, we have nothing. I'm not going to change your mind on the issue and that is your choice, and your welcome to it. at the end of the day, the system is just another excuse for not making a choice and bogging yourself down in the matrix.
G'day Ian2day.
All is one, therfore, nothing is worthless.
Choice cannot be taken away from you. The system attempts to get you to believe that there is no choice...ILLUSION...everything that you experience and express is a choice.
With LOVE.
I just think you fail to understand what the point is that I'm making. Maybe it is because I'm a poor facilitator. You decide, it's your choice ;)
oneofmany
21-04-2007, 01:59 PM
I just think you fail to understand what the point is that I'm making. Maybe it is because I'm a poor facilitator. You decide, it's your choice ;)
I understand you perfectly, and your getting your point across just fine, I just don't agree with your stance. :) we can still be friends though, we just agree to disagree, that's all.
i am all i am
21-04-2007, 02:08 PM
I just think you fail to understand what the point is that I'm making. Maybe it is because I'm a poor facilitator. You decide, it's your choice ;)
Cool.....your idea of being a poor facilitator is your choice though.
I believe that you are perfect, infinite, in other words ALL THAT IS. This is my choice.
With LOVE.
Ian2day
21-04-2007, 03:00 PM
Perhaps I should of chosen valueless, meaningless or even just different and not worthless. I don't know why you feel that a disagreement of opinion would stop people from getting along. Infinite consciousness by its very name means that there is all things existing in each other and outside of each other.
So therefore we are as we are meant to be? Is it really that infinite consciousness is experiencing itself subjectively in this five sense 3d reality or not. Who knows for sure. We can just make choices on the information as it is presented to us. Is there a wrong and a right. Is duality relevant here. Or are choices not really choices as we are just playing out a part of infinite consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.
So in this reality is it really about perception of choice. Is it just a test of our perception. That we have to be able to perceive a choice for there to be a choice. So if we perceive a choice regardless of its accuracy then we have choice. Is that what you are saying? That as long as we believe we have choice then we have choice regardless of what we don't know that we don't know.
I disagree with this as I have previously stated. Due to perceiving that our choices have been limited. By the deception that we are faced with in this reality. Only by being aware of all the causal factors can we make an informed choice. Without the ability to make a conscious choice, our ego takes over and our authentic self is suppressed even more so. It is the inability to be our authentic self, that is the goal of the Matrix. We're fed shit to feed our ego in this reality. And our ego just thrives on the shit that we consume. Our authentic self is infinite consciousness. Where as our ego is the division that infinite consciousness subjected itself to? :confused:
oneofmany
22-04-2007, 04:10 AM
I disagree with this as I have previously stated. Due to perceiving that our choices have been limited. By the deception that we are faced with in this reality. Only by being aware of all the causal factors can we make an informed choice. Without the ability to make a conscious choice, our ego takes over and our authentic self is suppressed even more so. It is the inability to be our authentic self, that is the goal of the Matrix. We're fed shit to feed our ego in this reality. And our ego just thrives on the shit that we consume. Our authentic self is infinite consciousness. Where as our ego is the division that infinite consciousness subjected itself to? :confused: What if I told you that the ego is dying little by little, the more you open yourself up to oneness. If you are one, there cannot be an ego, as this would constitute duality, so the more you align yourself to oneness, the more the ego tries unsuccessfully to hold on. To hold onto your ego is another choice, as well as everything in this place we call reality. Believe me or not, it's your choice. Also some believe that the death of ego, and the mind for that matter, is inevitable, as part of the evolution of conciousness. For more on that, watch these
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=1030536695965417017&q=Ian+Lungold
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-2832986272853534626&q=Ian+Lungold
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=8985944829650939114&q=Ian+Lungold
Enjoy
bicycle
24-04-2007, 09:52 PM
Sod it lets just microchip the illuminati familys and track them 24/7, i'll keep an eye on the rothschilds, who whants the windsors?