Ouija board

[loderlive]

Does anyone have any experience or advice on the subject...

[exclamatio]

my advice is dont use them, complete waste of time and nothing good will come of it

[lost_in_translation]

You play with fire you are bound to get burned. leave em alone. they are basicly an open invitation to whatever "ghosts" are around to come into your life. .

[beldazar]

yes, leave well alone in my opinion. My elder sisters got scared off using one and it was put in the attic. Several years down the line, I got it out, I cant remember what happened but it freaked me out so much I got rid of it sharpish :eek:

[eternal_spirit]

how to make your own spirit board cut equally 26 square pieces of paper to write the alphabet on, 10 pieces of paper with 0 to 9 written on, and two pieces with yes and no written on the paper.

Form a circle with the letters of the alphabet, then arrange the numbers 0 to 9 inside the cirle, in a straight line or in the shape of a semi circle, then place the yes and no in the middle of the circle.
A mirror or a polished smooth table is best, all you need then is a glass put this in the middle of the circle ( small tumbler is best) put your finger any you wish to use though index feels most comfortable on top of the glass and ask out in your mind or physically with words.....Is ther anybody there, or something similar anyone want to talk?
If it works and you get a strong connection with a spirit the speed the glass moves at is fast! don't panic unless it starts spelling out horrible stuff, just start again ask if anyone is there?
hopefully another purer spirit will then start to communicate with you.

If the glass moves towards the edge of the circle and trys to break through the circle aks it to stop and if it doesn't take your fingers off the glass. Some say you shouldn't allow the circle to be broken.

Be patient, sometimes it will spell words that seems like gibberish, maybe write them down and look these words up. If you don't get an on topic answer to a question, try wording the question differently.

[eternal_spirit]

Because it's a tool one you can choose without the need for any Guru/teachers etc, they don't want us to know we have our own power and don't need the Mystery schools etc etc. We can do this without them.

And yes the moral and message of neutorns post is choose wisely who you do a board with. A state of mind can attract like energy, best not to dabble when you're in a bad mood IMO.

[eternal_spirit]

It's rare to get a result working alone doing a spirit board (home made as described above) But, the ouija boards you buy in shops are a different design, you may find that easier to get a result from working alone.

It also depends who you do this with, some people it works others it won't and can have better results at times almost seems random, ranging from... nothing, little results ...or a full blown coversation.

I had communciation for about 2 years alsmost every day. Gave me poems, even drew pictures. Used a wooden egg cup with a hole through it, to fit in a pencil ( sounds nuts but true ) put that on top of a piece of paper... I asked what did I have for dinner and it drew a pic of my meal.

A small glass tumbler is about the best slides easily, on a glass table, wood polished table, even a mirror.

Another time asked draw something topical in the News, drew the space shuttle. Not perfect drawings but good enough to make out what the picture was of.

The big mystery and question really is is it spirit communication, or some kind of way of communicating with yours and the people's involved subconcious minds.

Tried asking questions silently without speaking words, and been given answers to questions, this can also be used as a test to make sure no one is pushing the glass to spell out words, because there's no way they could know what you're asking unless they're 100% a mind reader lol, or the spirits are giving them the questions/answers you asked telepathically with out opening your mouth.

Good thing about the board is no need to take drugs, meditate, or any use of symbols or rituals, apart from the board and the right state of minds.

hence my username for one reason

[dark86]

do not get involved - dark entities, and they will fool you at first.

had some wacky experiences when 14 years old playing with this, and it got SCARY and DANGEROUS.

[qasrose]

This should really be moved to the spiritual section.

[eternal_spirit]

do not get involved - dark entities, and they will fool you at first.

had some wacky experiences when 14 years old playing with this, and it got SCARY and DANGEROUS.
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Yes, ask is there anybody there? then some like to play the spell out the word DEVIL/SATAN/BEEZLBUB etc LOL jokers :D If I'd have had a camera and the look on some of the faces, although I agree, it can get spooky at times.

[loderlive]

This should really be moved to the spiritual section.

That fair enough but every time that does happen nobody comments its like a ghost town.

[neutron flux]

my advice is dont use them, complete waste of time and nothing good will come of it

Hardly advice; more like ill-informed opinion.


You play with fire you are bound to get burned. leave em alone. they are basicly an open invitation to whatever "ghosts" are around to come into your life. .


yes, leave well alone in my opinion. My elder sisters got scared off using one and it was put in the attic. Several years down the line, I got it out, I cant remember what happened but it freaked me out so much I got rid of it sharpish

What if they are spirits attachments already in your life? Wouldn't it be an idea to get rid of them instead of being scared and running away?


do not get involved - dark entities, and they will fool you at first.

had some wacky experiences when 14 years old playing with this, and it got SCARY and DANGEROUS.

The board acts as a mirror, so anything "scary" and "dangerous" is what is within you or another participant.

There's a lot of rubbish going around about spirit boards when they can be used as a self-development tool, but you should research first and choose wisely who participates with you.

There is a thread on this in another section.

[beldazar]

yes neutron flux, I can see your point, it was many years ago now, roughly 20.
I can see why there would be spiritual attachments back then the way I was living my life and feeling, but Im fine noooooooowwwwwww :D

[thunda]

Use Ouija's regularly when out doing my ghost investigations in some of the most haunted places around - and even tho there is a lot of bad vibes surrounding them, much of it is based in religious irrationality.

If you know what your doing, then there isn't any problems with them at all - they are just another tool in communicating with the spirit world. Ok, maybe different if a bunch of drunks get to together for a laugh, but never been there so can't comment on it.

But nothing wrong with them at all in my experience - and I've been in some "nasty" places when doing them with various malevolent spirits about.

Some people (the drunks?) can create their own psychological problems with them, certainly if people are a little naive or gullible .. The old : Is someone around this board going to die soon?? type of questions. If the planchet moves across to someone (either by an actual ghost, or someone dicking about) then that person could be affected by it - so any advice I would give is : don't dick about - ask questions about any spirit you make contact with and not about the people present!!

[lostwonderer]

Ive tried it a few times,really dont think there as bad as people make them out to be,just use it sensibly not as a mess around thing.

[qasrose]

To be fair, I've used the ouija board many of times on investigations in haunted buildings and to be honest there a load of crap. Nothing happens try it. :D and trust me. half the times it's your mind moving it around.

[coshh]

I saw a guy use an ouija board with my mother, he kept saying "this spirit is very sexualised its very embarrassing people always think it is me" and then the ouija board kept making lewd comments about my mother.

Needless to say I think it was him.

[thirdwave]

Does anyone have any experience or advice on the subject...

my mother missed her GCSE's because she done one with her friend that threw the glass across the room (to this day she does not talk much about what really happened) and it left her in a very odd state... always talking about death... and not acting like how most young girls do....

so she had to go and get help for a while...

[kblood]

I know one who tried it with some friends and one of them commited suicide after the board said he would die that day. Stupid question to ask I guess, when you are going to die. I have heard of other suicides related to ouija boards as well.

I have tried it one time myself, and it does seem that the players move the glass or whatever is used, without realising it. I would think it logical that the only thing this board actually does is have spirits work through us. Therefore the problem as well, since we then allow spirits inside us, and asking spirits questions about us, we also let them find those answers in us.

The answers that are giving cannot be trusted, and if its answers that we already know, then it only proves that these spirits are able to read us. Being spiritual they see our mind rather than our body. It is our thoughts which flow through them. I am certain of this because I have tried that state myself for a few seconds, maybe a minute or so.

So I would suggest not to do it as well, or at least only do it once. Its an easy way to get a spiritual experience, but its also a dubious one. We cant know how much we just did ourselves, and figured out in our subconciousness.

[qasrose]

The best way to try it is with complete strangers and not your mates..

Cause somewhere down the line you've told your mates about family members etc. and then when you get them to join the board and you ask for proof like "what is my middle name, or what is my mums last night" There is a 100% chance that someone in that group knows the information. Even when you ask that person if there moving it, there obviously not going to tell you the truth.

If you want to try something that works, try Table Tipping that works like a charm. :D

[eternal_spirit]

how to make your own spirit board cut equally 26 square pieces of paper to write the alphabet on, 10 pieces of paper with 0 to 9 written on, and two pieces with yes and no written on the paper.

Form a circle with the letters of the alphabet, then arrange the numbers 0 to 9 inside the cirle, in a straight line or in the shape of a semi circle, then place the yes and no in the middle of the circle.
A mirror or a polished smooth table is best, all you need then is a glass put this in the middle of the circle ( small tumbler is best) put your finger any you wish to use though index feels most comfortable on top of the glass and ask out in your mind or physically with words.....Is ther anybody there, or something similar anyone want to talk?
If it works and you get a strong connection with a spirit the speed the glass moves at is fast! don't panic unless it starts spelling out horrible stuff, just start again ask if anyone is there?
hopefully another purer spirit will then start to communicate with you.

If the glass moves towards the edge of the circle and trys to break through the circle aks it to stop and if it doesn't take your fingers off the glass. Some say you shouldn't allow the circle to be broken.

Be patient, sometimes it will spell words that seems like gibberish, maybe write them down and look these words up. If you don't get an on topic answer to a question, try wording the question differently.

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Anyone tried this yet any results?(I know it works) Last thread no one answerd..

[kblood]

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Anyone tried this yet any results?(I know it works) Last thread no one answerd..

Yup, works. Its they way I tried it. Wether it was really any spirit involved though I dont really know. Answered lots of questions but seems it might have been ourselves that were moving it and making the answers, without noticing. Still its hard to say.

[kblood]

The best way to try it is with complete strangers and not your mates..

Cause somewhere down the line you've told your mates about family members etc. and then when you get them to join the board and you ask for proof like "what is my middle name, or what is my mums last night" There is a 100% chance that someone in that group knows the information. Even when you ask that person if there moving it, there obviously not going to tell you the truth.

If you want to try something that works, try Table Tipping that works like a charm. :D

You seem to think people move the glass conciously and purposfully. Maybe that is so in some cases, but in most they will deny it and not believe it themselves.

Also with the subconcious being involved, then telepathy and maybe reading ones body language sometimes gives away some of the answers. The only real proof there can come from this is answers to questions noone in the group knows but can be found.

[limelady]

Whether a ouija board works or not largely depends on whether you have even one psychic person involved to make a connection. Some people are unaware they have psychic ability. I know of at least two incidents where things got very badly out of hand, and one guy ended up in a psychiatric ward on heavy meds for a week.

E Spirit, I'm quite surprised that you of all people would be saying people ought to try making their own? It can be very dangerous as 4th dimensionals can quite easily jump in if there is nobody experienced with protecting the 'working' area or controlling the energy. If any of the people involved have been taking ANY mind altering drugs, this too can leave an opening for 4th dimensional possession or poltergeist activity, which can continue on with some of the individuals long after the game is over.

This 'parlour game' does not come without strong warning and I personally would never advise it as something to do as fun!

[thirdwave]

with my mums it was just her and her friend... she said the glass shook so the put the St Christopher necklace under it... it then shot across the table and smashed into the wall...

[kblood]

As I already mentioned earlier, I know of a one episode where this game lead to one of the people involved doing suicide, and it was very much because of the answers that came from it. I have heard that its not the only suicide that has come from this. As Limelady wrote, then some also become insane, which is likely caused by the possession of a dark spirit.

So if you really feel like you just have to try this, then take all the precautions and advice about it you can. Its foolish to risk doing it without preparation. I probably shouldnt have done it either, but then I have the bad tendancy of not fearing anything and think myself powerfull enough to protect my friends if it needed be. Problem is how to protect them from themselves, and insanity isnt something easy to cure. If the answers we got were true, then the spirit was good, and came from a young person.

[daveybpl]

Tried the paper squares in a circle method a few years back with an ex, i lasted about 2 mins, the glass went a bit hectic and i got goose bumps all over my body, freaked me out, in no hurry to try again. My spidey sense tells me to avoid.

I'll stick to the dmt and astral projection, when seeking out a bit of banter with other dimensional intelligent entities:D

[neutron flux]

Whether a ouija board works or not largely depends on whether you have even one psychic person involved to make a connection. Some people are unaware they have psychic ability.

I'm not sure psychic ability is a prerequisite for making a connection.

I know of at least two incidents where things got very badly out of hand, and one guy ended up in a psychiatric ward on heavy meds for a week.

Are these people personally known to you? I'm just asking because there are many urban legends and scare stories to stop people even attempting.

It can be very dangerous as 4th dimensionals can quite easily jump in if there is nobody experienced with protecting the 'working' area or controlling the energy.

Isn't that an assumption? Ouija boards are hardly rare things and I can't think of many, actually any, cases of 'possession'.

with my mums it was just her and her friend... she said the glass shook so the put the St Christopher necklace under it... it then shot across the table and smashed into the wall...

I can't tell you how many times I've heard the exact same tale - it sounds like an urban legend to me.

As I already mentioned earlier, I know of a one episode where this game lead to one of the people involved doing suicide, and it was very much because of the answers that came from it.

Well if someone commits suicide from the answers they got from a ouija board then I'm not sure their mental faculties were all there to begin with.

I have heard that its not the only suicide that has come from this. As Limelady wrote, then some also become insane, which is likely caused by the possession of a dark spirit.


Again, you heard it through the grape vine. It is an assumption that you're going to be 'possessed' with no proof what-so-ever. Show me one case where someone has been possessed by a ouija board.

Problem is how to protect them from themselves, and insanity isnt something easy to cure.

I can't think why a ouija board would make you insane?

If the answers we got were true, then the spirit was good, and came from a young person.

If someone had a spirit attachment it could easily tell you the truth - it wouldn't mean it was 'good' though.


It just seems to me people are scared and put off from using such a thing in any capacity because of urban legends and what they've seen in movies.

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't but it seem to me to be a tool that could be used - provided research and knowledge is gathered and the people at the board are roughly on the same page.

[limelady]

I'm not sure psychic ability is a prerequisite for making a connection.



Are these people personally known to you? I'm just asking because there are many urban legends and scare stories to stop people even attempting.



Isn't that an assumption? Ouija boards are hardly rare things and I can't think of many, actually any, cases of 'possession'.



I can't tell you how many times I've heard the exact same tale - it sounds like an urban legend to me.



Well if someone commits suicide from the answers they got from a ouija board then I'm not sure their mental faculties were all there to begin with.



Again, you heard it through the grape vine. It is an assumption that you're going to be 'possessed' with no proof what-so-ever. Show me one case where someone has been possessed by a ouija board.



I can't think why a ouija board would make you insane?



If someone had a spirit attachment it could easily tell you the truth - it wouldn't mean it was 'good' though.


It just seems to me people are scared and put off from using such a thing in any capacity because of urban legends and what they've seen in movies.

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't but it seem to me to be a tool that could be used - provided research and knowledge is gathered and the people at the board are roughly on the same page.

No urban legends nutron.....yes, the people involved were personally known to me.

Its dangerous (potentially very dangerous IMO), but hey, people are free to make their own decisions. I was just offering advice from personal experience.

[kblood]

As I said Neutron Flux, a friend of mine warned me and my friends not to do the Ouija board thing, because he had done it with some friends and one killed himself.

Of course, you can just ignore all the "urban legends" and go straight off into it. Im just trying to give a fair warning. If you start of not even believing that it can lead to being possessed, then I would advice against it though.

Also I am not seeing you comming with any success stories about this, only Eternal Spirit have told of what sounds like a rather good experience with it. I would expect an ouija can be a good tool, very good even, for communicating with spirits. Still I just dont see the gain to have from it. I even thought it through after having tried it myself, and it seems answers could be had from it, but then I wouldnt be able to trust these answers anyway, and would rather get them through other means.

[neutron flux]

Also I am not seeing you comming with any success stories about this

www.cassiopaea.org - the cassiopean transcripts were done using a spirit board and it took over two years in order to get a "signal" - but she researched before undertaking it and apparently there is evidence that Pythagoras used such an instrument, so there's two examples off the top of my head.

[thirdwave]

I can't tell you how many times I've heard the exact same tale - it sounds like an urban legend to me.



maybe you have heard it because allot because it has happened to a few people...?

it was the reason my mother flunked school, and why straight after she became mentally ill and was close to having a nervous brake down at the age of 15, despite having a very decent up bringing and supportive family .... So I hardly think she made it up... I had to beg her to get her to talk about it.

:rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

maybe you have heard it because allot because it has happened to a few people...?

it was the reason my mother flunked school, and why straight after she became mentally ill and was close to having a nervous brake down at the age of 15, despite having a very decent up bringing and supportive family .... So I hardly think she made it up... I had to beg her to get her to talk about it.

:rolleyes:

Are you both putting her misfortunes down to the ouija? Or not?
Sorry to hear about her problems, but of course you and her must consider that the ouija board had nothing to do with her problems, sure you've talked about this. Think you said she used it once and the glass flew off the table.

[limelady]

Are you both putting her misfortunes down to the ouija? Or not?
Sorry to hear about her problems, but of course you and her must consider that the ouija board had nothing to do with her problems, sure you've talked about this. Think you said she used it once and the glass flew off the table.

15 year old girls exude a lot of psychic/sexual energy and it attracts spirit entities like bees to a honey-pot. If you are as familiar with the occult as you say you are, you would know that the vast majority of poltergeist manifestations occur as a result of a teenage girl being in the near vicinity. I have no problem accepting that what happened to TW's mother was a direct result of her ouija board activities. There are books available that document cases just like this.

I have also seen it happen to two people, one of whom ended up in hospital quite, quite mad for a time! Both times there was a teenage girl present who acted as an unsuspecting catalyst/channel for the 4th dimensional activity that was able to manifest.

[thirdwave]

She had the expirience... and ran home crying.... (to this day I can tell she does not explain it fully, very freaky for her..as if she would go back to that state of mind if she thought about it)

.... She ran home crying and her friend done the same... she told her mum about it and from that point she kept having panic attacks.... and would sink into these states where she would just talk about death.... and whys so wrong with it... and we all die and so on....

she went and got help.... and missed her GCSE's ...and eventually seemed to get better....

it was all triggered off by the Ouija board with out a shadow of doubt... her friend was freaked out for a few days but was not as badly effected...

if yo do a Ouija board right you are opening a door way to a place where its free entry... and unless you are prepared and know how to banish the most powerful of entities.. you are playing with fire.. a toss of a coin who might come strolling in.

Yes, this is one of the dangers of the occult... if you do not know what you are doing...

[neutron flux]

it was the reason my mother flunked school, and why straight after she became mentally ill and was close to having a nervous brake down at the age of 15, despite having a very decent up bringing and supportive family .... So I hardly think she made it up... I had to beg her to get her to talk about it.

Well, a 15 year old going off the rails is hardly new, but if it was serious then people have mental problems without using a Ouija board, and people also tend to project and blame their misfortunes on something else, whether it be a Ouija board in this case or walking under a ladder. People don't like to confront their "shadow". So, it seems to me that unilevel disturbances (which characterize puberty) will easily be transferred into pathological states (e.g. "possession", psychosis, schizophrenia), bodily neuroses, and even projected into the external environment.

if yo do a Ouija board right you are opening a door way to a place where its free entry... and unless you are prepared and know how to banish the most powerful of entities.. you are playing with fire.. a toss of a coin who might come strolling in.

This is coming from someone who actively indulges in "Magick" rituals. :rolleyes:

15 year old girls exude a lot of psychic/sexual energy and it attracts spirit entities like bees to a honey-pot. If you are as familiar with the occult as you say you are, you would know that the vast majority of poltergeist manifestations occur as a result of a teenage girl being in the near vicinity.

Alternative explanations for some poltergeist activity may have something to do with phenomena coming from the subject and expressed externally. I'm not saying it accounts for every case of Poltergeist activity or related phenomena though.

I have no problem accepting that what happened to TW's mother was a direct result of her ouija board activities. There are books available that document cases just like this.

Could you point us in the direction of these cases of possession by Ouija?

It just seems that the board is a mirror, and anything unpleasant is some aspect of ourselves - and could come in the form of a spirit "attachment".

And who says you need to do Ouija and the like for spirit to attach itself to you? And who says you'll get "possessed" if you do it?

As a side note, didn't Icke get "possessed" by Jimmy Carters energy or something at the end of "...And The Truth Shall Set You Free"? Was he doing the Ouija board, no. So if we take that to be true, then it seems very easy for something to just "walk in" - or so I think.

[marpat]

Because it's a tool one you can choose without the need for any Guru/teachers etc, they don't want us to know we have our own power and don't need the Mystery schools etc etc. We can do this without them.

And yes the moral and message of neutorns post is choose wisely who you do a board with. A state of mind can attract like energy, best not to dabble when you're in a bad mood IMO.


I find this interesting. You slag occultism off but you are condoning it here.

If somebody was using a board don't you think it would be better for them to have guidance rather than suffer potential problems? this is exactly how you got burnt, you dabbled with something you did not understand and did not know how to deal with it.

Personally I have nothing against people using such things but I would caution anybody against invoking spirits without knowing what they are doing or how to sort any problems out.

You are an idiot when you say teachers and mystery schools don't want us to know we have our own power. You are lying and misleading people. What do you think they teach, knitting perhaps? read some of Crowleys books and you will see that he was totally into personal empowerment and gives the methods of how to do it. So much for keeping us in the dark about power.

[eternal_spirit]

I find this interesting. You slag occultism off but you are condoning it here.

If somebody was using a board don't you think it would be better for them to have guidance rather than suffer potential problems? this is exactly how you got burnt, you dabbled with something you did not understand and did not know how to deal with it.

Personally I have nothing against people using such things but I would caution anybody against invoking spirits without knowing what they are doing or how to sort any problems out.

You are an idiot when you say teachers and mystery schools don't want us to know we have our own power. You are lying and misleading people. What do you think they teach, knitting perhaps? read some of Crowleys books and you will see that he was totally into personal empowerment and gives the methods of how to do it. So much for keeping us in the dark about power.

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No, I just know good from bad, Satanism on the whole is bad occult knowledge
Hubbard picked up on Crowley's ideas psychological brainwashing tactics, afterall Crowley has a cult following long after his death, and Scientology has many members.

You're the idiot spouting Crowley spiel known by many as the father of modern day Satanism, that is far more dangerous Kabbalastic demonolgy, trying to having sex with discarnate entities the list is endless, you obviously haven't studied enough not to know all this, or you are in denial or pushing this stuff.

BTW know exactly what I'm, doing. Don't patronise me.

Neutron Fleux summed it up nicley IMO. I think you and TW are scared of spirit/ouija boards. Maybe scared of what's inside you or is it the spirits you'll attract due to vibrational compatibility (likes attract) So, yes it would be your own fear that would cause you problems, some spirits are said to feed off fear.

Pure in intention and pure in spirit is the key to having positive experiences, unless you want to talk to demons. For someone to do a board with me I'd have to judge what kind of person they are, I would not do it if I knew they where full of fear.

You are drawn to all the wrong methods and teachers Marpat.

[marpat]

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No, I just know good from bad, Satanism on the whole is bad occult knowledge
Hubbard picked up on Crowley's ideas psychological brainwashing tactics, afterall Crowley has a cult following long after his death, and Scientology has many members.

You're the idiot spouting Crowley spiel known by many as the father of modern day Satanism, that is far more dangerous Kabbalastic demonolgy, trying to having sex with discarnate entities the list is endless, you obviously haven't studied enough not to know all this, or you are in denial or pushing this stuff.

BTW know exactly what I'm, doing. Don't patronise me.

Neutron Fleux summed it up nicley IMO. I think you and TW are scared of spirit/ouija boards. Maybe scared of what's inside you or is it the spirits you'll attract due to vibrational compatibility (likes attract) So, yes it would be your own fear that would cause you problems, some spirits are said to feed off fear.

Pure in intention and pure in spirit is the key to having positive experiences, unless you want to talk to demons. For someone to do a board with me I'd have to judge what kind of person they are, I would not do it if I knew they where full of fear.

You are drawn to all the wrong methods and teachers Marpat.

Why bring Crowley into this, AGAIN?

If you were pure of intent and had roused kundalini and opened your crown chakra then why would you need to use this method? I think it is just a lazy persons way of trying to gain knowledge from spirits.

You think having nice intentions will protect you? maybe you will be drawn in by a nice, friendly spirit that manipulates you using nice, friendly sounding advice. Sucker, it is well known that evil spirits can reveal themselves as spirits of light so how you going to know what they are?


What is kabbalistic demonology? never heard that one before.

[eternal_spirit]

Why bring Crowley into this, AGAIN?

If you were pure of intent and had roused kundalini and opened your crown chakra then why would you need to use this method? I think it is just a lazy persons way of trying to gain knowledge from spirits.

You think having nice intentions will protect you? maybe you will be drawn in by a nice, friendly spirit that manipulates you using nice, friendly sounding advice. Sucker, it is well known that evil spirits can reveal themselves as spirits of light so how you going to know what they are?


What is kabbalistic demonology? never heard that one before.
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You brought his name up and suggested he was into personal empowerment, I disagree and pointed out he was more into controlling other people's minds/will, this is what Satanists do they say something but pervert and reverse the meanings. Which is not empowerment but possession by one person's will over that of an others. IMO.

My intention was not to have communications with entities/spirits etc using Chakras/kundalini. And you don't need to call up and visualise Shiva or Shakti to raise kundalini, the God and Goddess that's to do with some Tantric/Tantra.

Yes that's a classic bad entities posing as good ones. Guess it's how can you be sure who's who.

Okay you don't like the boards method, others do if they can work it they'll use it it's a good tool IMO, without the ritualistic brotherhood sigils and symbos, which would attract bad entities according to some, such as Mathew Delooze. These symbols have much hate, anger fear negative emotions attached to them because of the evil deeds by men throughout history who resonated and used these symbols- this may draw in negative spirits. Not something I'd condone.

Have you tried a board, if not what methods would you prefer or have used to communicate with spirits etc?

[eternal_spirit]

quote: marpat
What is kabbalistic demonology? never heard that one before.

kabbalistic demonology - Google Search

1. JHOM - Fantastic Creatures - Demons (http://www.jhom.com/topics/fantasy/demons.html)
"A complete system of kabbalistic demonology was presented after the period of the Zohar, in Sibbat Ma'aseh ha-Egel ve'Inyan ha-Shedim, which develops ..."
www.jhom.com/topics/fantasy/demons.html

2. Lilith (http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/%7Ehumm/Topics/Lilith/)
"Jacob ha-Kohen's Treatise on the Left Emanation: Kabbalistic demonology with a somewhat different take on Lilith Origins from various Kabbalistic sources ..."
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3. My Jewish Learning: Demons (http://www.myjewishlearning.com/ideas_belief/god/Overview_About_God/Angels/Demons.htm)
"Unlike the Talmud, kabbalistic demonology is more detailed. Some demons are formed whenever a man improperly spills his seed--a sin considered so heinous by ..."
www.myjewishlearning.com/ideas_belief/god/Overview_About_God/Angels/Demons.htm

4. Qlippoth (http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/q/qlippoth.html)
"According to Kabbalistic texts, the Qlippoth originated as ruling powers in a ... and the successors of Luria, were active in Kabbalistic demonology. ..."
www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/q/qlippoth.html

5. Lilith - Demons, Demonology, and Evil in Judaism and Christianity (http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/articleview.asp?Post=178)
"This work introduces Samael and Lilith as husband and wife, a concept which was then incorporated into later Kabbalistic demonology. ..."
www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/articleview.asp?Post=178

6. sovay: The devils are dreaming, dreaming of a blue angel (http://sovay.livejournal.com/92559.html)
"If nobody on this thread happens to specialize in kabbalistic demonology, my suggestion would be to see if you can track down the original source -- all I ..."
sovay.livejournal.com/92559.html

7. Lecture III: Pardes: From Sefiroth to Demonology (http://www.kheper.net/topics/Kabbalah/Idel/lecture3.htm)
"Lecture III: Pardes: From Sefiroth to Demonology. Monday 22 April 1991 .... Kabbalist is to restore the organic unity between the Divine powers. ..."
www.kheper.net/topics/Kabbalah/Idel/lecture3.htm

8. Demonology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Demonology is the systematic study of demons or beliefs about demons. .... received as part of the Kabbalistic tradition [21] passed down from Adam, Noah, ..."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonology

9. Jewish Myth, Magic, and Mysticism: Jewish Demonology: Demon Origins (http://ejmmm2007.blogspot.com/2007/05/jewish-demonology-demon-origins.html)
"This explosive interest in demonology found in the pseudepigraphia, ... In the kabbalistic scheme, the named demons of Jewish tradition are the perverted, ..."
ejmmm2007.blogspot.com/2007/05/jewish-demonology-demon-origins.html

10. The Kabbalah: Part Two: Chapter IV. Analysis of the Zohar. The ... (http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/rph/rph16.htm)
"It seems to us that the demonology adopted by the Kabbalists is but a reflected personification of the different degrees of life and intelligence which they ..."
www.sacred-texts.com/jud/rph/rph16.htm

11. Joseph Smith and Kabbalah: The Occult Connection - FARMS Review (http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?id=229&table=review)
"kabbalistic demonology (1:9b = 1:39-40, 1:10b = 1:43-44). • the heavenly academy (1:10b = 1:44). • the fourteen precepts of the Torah and their relationship ..."
farms.byu.edu/display.php?id=229&table=review

12. Demonology Dictionary (http://www.experiencefestival.com/demonology_dictionary)
"A selection of articles related to Demonology Dictionary. ... The sephiroth form the central image of Kabbalistic meditation, the Sephirothic Tree of Life, ..."
www.experiencefestival.com/demonology_dictionary

13. Satan, Meet Norman | The New York Observer (http://www.observer.com/2007/satan-meet-norman)
"These ideas give the book a kabbalistic feel: Demonology is an ancient kabbalistic pursuit, one that goes back to the Middle Ages. ..."
www.observer.com/2007/satan-meet-norman

14. The Talmud, Demonology & Magic (http://watch.pair.com/HRtalmud.html)
"The issue of demonology and related topics in the Talmud crosses over into Kabbalistic teachings. The Jewish Kabbalistic beliefs about demons are found in ..."
watch.pair.com/HRtalmud.html

15. What are the Qlippoth? ---------------------- The word "qlippah ... (http://www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/nok/q13.txt)
"The most lurid versions combine Kabbalah with medieval demonology to ... great deal can be deduced from those fascinating repositories of Kabbalistic myth, ..."
www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/nok/q13.txt

16. Kabbalah - Gershon Scholem - Penguin Group (USA) (http://us.penguingroup.com/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,9780452010079,00.html)
"The Kabbalist Center of Gerona Other Currents in 13th Century Spanish Kabbalah ... Demonology in Kabbalah 8. The Doenmeh 9. Eschatology 10. Gematria ..."
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17. Psyche's Links: 15000++ Links to Esoteric Subjects on the Web ... (http://www.psyche.com/psyche/links/qabala.html)
"Kabbalah Online: Rabbi Markel's Kabbalistic and Chassidic philosophy site | Sifros/Sifrah .... Idel: Pardes: From Sefiroth to Demonology ..."
www.psyche.com/psyche/links/qabala.html

18. Practical Kabbalah (http://www.atomick.net/fayelevine/pk/)
"Over the centuries, practical Kabbalists created variety of objects to keep ... The Jewish take on demonology, including their origins, classification, ..."
www.atomick.net/fayelevine/pk/

19. What are the Klippot? (http://www.bnaiavraham.net/newpage/What%20are%20the%20Klippot.pdf)
"container and the contained is one of the most important in Kabbalistic ... most lurid versions combine Kabbalah with medieval demonology to produce ..."
www.bnaiavraham.net/newpage/What%20are%20the%20Klippot.pdf

20. General Jewish Magic (http://faculty.washington.edu/snoegel/magicinthemedievalperiod.htm)
"317-319,” “Demonology in Kabbalah, pp. 320-326,” “Golem, pp. ... Patai, Raphael, “Exorcism and Xenoglassia Among the Safed Kabbalists,” in R. Patai, ..."
faculty.washington.edu/snoegel/magicinthemedievalperiod.htm

[marpat]

The fact is that the ouija board is a lazy persons way to getting fast answer from spirits. It appeals to lazy people because it means they don't have to learn anything or train for anything, or do anything apart from ask questions and hope that nothing bad happens.

As in all walks of life the quick and fast method is never really the best.

With regard to the post above I know that Kabbalah contains lists of demons that inhabit the averse sephiroth, I have just not heard it expressed like you said it.

[eternal_spirit]

Fact is the boards don't work for everyone, like others methods don't work for everyone, it's what's right for whoever.

Have you tried a board, if not what methods would you prefer or have used to communicate with spirits etc? Marpat..

[marpat]

Fact is the boards don't work for everyone, like others methods don't work for everyone, it's what's right for whoever.

Have you tried a board, if not what methods would you prefer or have used to communicate with spirits etc? Marpat..

When I was 18 a friend made one up and we had a go. His brother asked when he will die and it said 18 so he took the glass ran to a door and threw it up the road. He is in his thirties now and I am sure my friend was just pushing it. Have seen them used on Most Haunted but sometimes it looks like a fix.

Personally I don't bother asking spirits for information as I prefer the information to come from within. If you meditate and had a good atunement then you should get good information without the worry about being messed about by some low level astral shell. The lower astral planes are full of shells that can give little snippets but the fact that they dwell there means they lack higher knowledge and this is why I don't bother.

The reason I say it is the lazy method is because any information that the board will give can be received within if you will listen. To get information within requires effort though, relaxation, mediation, will, etc. The board requires nothing and I feel that what you put into something is what you will get back.

The human soul has far more potential than some astral shell so why bother with them when your own inate being is of such a higher order?

[limelady]

Could you point us in the direction of these cases of possession by Ouija?



No sorry, I don't have the time to go digging for books I read many years ago, but if you're really interested in researching this for yourself I'm sure a trip to your local library would be fairly worthwhile in that regard.

However, the movie The Exorcist was based on real events that involved demonic possession in association with ouija boards, so I did a quick search and found an account of the REAL story the movie was based on.

http://www.tldm.org/News9/possessionOuijaBoard.htm

[thirdwave]

Well, a 15 year old going off the rails is hardly new, but if it was serious then people have mental problems without using a Ouija board, and people also tend to project and blame their misfortunes on something else, whether it be a Ouija board in this case or walking under a ladder. People don't like to confront their "shadow". So, it seems to me that unilevel disturbances (which characterize puberty) will easily be transferred into pathological states (e.g. "possession", psychosis, schizophrenia), bodily neuroses, and even projected into the external environment.

But it was the event its self which lead to the change in her behaviour and state.... I guess you could say by some crazy huge coincidence the suddenly had a fuck up with emotions just as she freaked out from a glass shooting out from under her finger and hitting the wall.... anything is possible I guess....

This is coming from someone who actively indulges in "Magick" rituals. :rolleyes:


lol, is it?? ... news to me!!


Could you point us in the direction of these cases of possession by Ouija?

It just seems that the board is a mirror, and anything unpleasant is some aspect of ourselves - and could come in the form of a spirit "attachment".

And who says you need to do Ouija and the like for spirit to attach itself to you? And who says you'll get "possessed" if you do it?

As a side note, didn't Icke get "possessed" by Jimmy Carters energy or something at the end of "...And The Truth Shall Set You Free"? Was he doing the Ouija board, no. So if we take that to be true, then it seems very easy for something to just "walk in" - or so I think.

If you dont beliv its possible for a Ouija B to be dangerous or effective then I am not going to convince you, I am just explaining a very true story that happend to my mother...

she has since been told by a very good psychic as well that she has the gift of a 6th sense... (or something like that) and there is something about my mother.... I always try and get her to read up more but she is a bit reluctant.

I feel a Ouija board should only be done with people around who are VERY clued up and ready.

like pointed out already, its a bit of a reckless way to communicate with spirits...

[neutron flux]

However, the movie The Exorcist was based on real events that involved demonic possession in association with ouija boards, so I did a quick search and found an account of the REAL story the movie was based on.

http://www.tldm.org/News9/possessionOuijaBoard.htm

I thought that this would be mentioned and I'm sorry to say the article is a load of spin. Here's the truth about the whole story:

http://www.strangemag.com/exorcistpage1.html

But it was the event its self which lead to the change in her behaviour and state.... I guess you could say by some crazy huge coincidence the suddenly had a fuck up with emotions just as she freaked out from a glass shooting out from under her finger and hitting the wall.... anything is possible I guess....

Just because a glass allegedly hit the wall it does not constitute evidence that the Ouija did anything directly to contribute to a mental illness.

If you dont beliv its possible for a Ouija B to be dangerous or effective then I am not going to convince you

I didn't say that, it requires knowledge and research before embarking on such an endeavour. Knowledge protects.

I feel a Ouija board should only be done with people around who are VERY clued up and ready.


Sure.

Personally I don't bother asking spirits for information as I prefer the information to come from within.

That's the point: it does come from within as the board is a mirror and seems to be a tool for self-development.

The board requires nothing and I feel that what you put into something is what you will get back.

That's why research and knowledge is imperative to put in the work so you are more likely to get a "signal" - not necessarily spirits (although that's probably what you would get at first) but a future "you". But if people think that they're just going to sit down and start channeling Jesus or whatever will be disappointed - a channel would have to be "grooved" and suitable people chosen and whatever answers that are given should be treated a false or just plain data, because even more research will have to undertaken to investigate the answers. So, it's not really an easy route at all.

[marpat]

I thought that this would be mentioned and I'm sorry to say the article is a load of spin. Here's the truth about the whole story:

That's the point: it does come from within as the board is a mirror and seems to be a tool for self-development.



Why should the board be a mirror of the self? if you want self development then you need to do a lot more than use a board. By developing your own mind you will be sensitive to inner information anyway. Asking a board questions is not the way to develop awareness because you are basically asking something to give you an answer. At least if you are using tarot a set of symbols will be revealed and you can use you inner senses to discern a meaning, which means you are devloping the self. Your own self does not in any way need a board to pass information to you, as it can do this be dreasm, strong hunches, intuition, etc.

I personally cannot see any case for sing one. The type of force or entity that you are likely to come across will be low astral. Higher level forces will not want to communicate with people who are too lazy to develop their minds and who try to get fast fixes by using such a primitive tool, IMO

[neutron flux]

Why should the board be a mirror of the self?

Why not? Are the spirits that one might encounter an attachment within? Could the board be used as an extension of Spirit Release Therapy? I think so. Could the board if used correctly be a way to connect with your higher mind?

if you want self development then you need to do a lot more than use a board.

Of course, I never said that it was the only thing to do if you want self-development.

By developing your own mind you will be sensitive to inner information anyway. Asking a board questions is not the way to develop awareness because you are basically asking something to give you an answer.

This is written by someone who has extensive knowledge of using a spirit board:

) The object is NOT to "channel" other entities. The object is to use the method as a self-development tool so that, if possible, one can communicate directly with one's OWN higher mind. That's a long, drawn out process. It won't happen in a week-end, probably not even in a year of regular sitting. In the meantime, one will learn a lot about the self, run through many thought loops, deal with all kinds of detached and attached entities, etc. It is a purification process. You must assume that, for a long time, the ONLY thing you will get is nonsense, lies, gibberish, cling-ons, parasites, etc. That's natural. They are there anyway, you just don't know about them. Part of the process is to cleanse yourself and your environment of such and that is a technique that can be easily learned if you are attentive and work on your BS meter. Remember, nearly everything you communicate with for a LOOOONG time will do nothing but lie. That's the truth.

At least if you are using tarot a set of symbols will be revealed and you can use you inner senses to discern a meaning, which means you are devloping the self.

The Ouija seems to be a more sophisticated method of this or using a pendulum.

I personally cannot see any case for sing one. The type of force or entity that you are likely to come across will be low astral. Higher level forces will not want to communicate with people who are too lazy to develop their minds and who try to get fast fixes by using such a primitive tool, IMO

The board is no less primitive than a set of cards or a pendulum or the I-Ching even, it doesn't mean it can't be utilized with knowledge and WORK and I do mean WORK, especially in the sense of researching and self-knowledge as in the 4th way material, psychology and the rest.

[marpat]

The board is more primitive the I Ching or Tarot. They use symbols that represent archetypal forces and when they are used give an indication of the displacement of such forces. Systems like that embody complex and defined ideas.

Can you explain to me how a personal can develop using a board? whether or not the spirits that answer are inner or outer the fact is that you are not using your mind as such but merely posing a question to something that you cannot fully identify. If all your are doing is using the jaw muscles to ask questions then how is that helping you develop? I suppose if you asked a philosophical question about spiritual technique and then applied that then you can say that it has been helpful

If you are bringing something forward to express itself while you are holding the glass then how is that not channeling. You provide the link between the spirit and the glass. It does not move on it's own. It may not be speaking through you but is acting upon the physical plane through you so you are still at risk.

Why do you need a board to connect with your own mind? if you learn to integrate yourself and express yourself the mind will shine forth itself. The fact that you are trying to avoid all the hard work of preparing and working with your own mind makes me think that you cannot be bothered to undergo inner discipline. You want the answer and fast and are not prepared to work towards integration to get them. Maybe I am missing the point of what you are saying but to me it seems as if you want all the good stuff given on a plate under circumstances which will suit your whim.

[thirdwave]

Just because a glass allegedly hit the wall it does not constitute evidence that the Ouija did anything directly to contribute to a mental illness.



ok so it was just a huge coincidence that a perfectly happy and secure young girl done that and then became very emotionally and mentally ill.

I think anything is possible so I wont argue... but just thought I would let people know about that crazy coincidence... freaky hu!?

[neutron flux]

The board is more primitive the I Ching or Tarot. They use symbols that represent archetypal forces and when they are used give an indication of the displacement of such forces. Systems like that embody complex and defined ideas.


Symbols can be misinterpreted or made to fit your own wishful thinking to get an answer you want.

Can you explain to me how a personal can develop using a board?

I've explained how.

I suppose if you asked a philosophical question about spiritual technique and then applied that then you can say that it has been helpful

It could apply to any question about anything, but you have to follow up answers with testing, researching and verifying.

If you are bringing something forward to express itself while you are holding the glass then how is that not channeling.

But you can channel once the groundwork has been laid. The cassiopaen experiment being a case in point. But not channeling entities but yourself in the "future". And a planchette would be more useful than I glass I think.

Why do you need a board to connect with your own mind?

For reasons I've already stated, like SRT and getting rid of any attachments that you might not know are there.

The fact that you are trying to avoid all the hard work of preparing and working with your own mind makes me think that you cannot be bothered to undergo inner discipline.

I don't think you're even reading what I write as I've explained that hard work must be utilized like researching, reading and disciplines like the 4th way, that if you knew is ALL about inner work.

You want the answer and fast and are not prepared to work towards integration to get them. Maybe I am missing the point of what you are saying but to me it seems as if you want all the good stuff given on a plate under circumstances which will suit your whim.

I think you're woefully missing the point or just not reading my posts fully.

[marpat]

Maybe I am missing your point. I have given my reasons why I would not bother myself to use a board. If you feel it is productive and worthwhile then crack on. I am not telling you not to do it just giving my own reason why I think I wouldn't. On top of all what I said before I just find it so unappealing.

[neutron flux]

Maybe I am missing your point. I have given my reasons why I would not bother myself to use a board. If you feel it is productive and worthwhile then crack on. I am not telling you not to do it just giving my own reason why I think I wouldn't. On top of all what I said before I just find it so unappealing.

Fair enough, I'm not saying everyone should go out and do it but merely stating that it could be utilized in a helpful way for some, but only after working on yourself and knowledge gathered so you know what you are doing. I haven't attempted as I haven't gathered enough knowledge, and I may never do it - I just think there are many assumptions and misinformation on the subject that need to be addressed (most of which stems from the church).

[limelady]

I thought that this would be mentioned and I'm sorry to say the article is a load of spin. Here's the truth about the whole story:

http://www.strangemag.com/exorcistpage1.html

Well there you go then! You seem to have all the right info to reflect your present beliefs about ouija, and judging from your posts on this thread your mind seems pretty much made up about it. Coupled with the fact that you give the definite impression you feel the rest of us are just pulling stuff out of our 'you-know-wheres', I can see little point in banging on further with this.

Enjoy the ouija......nice chatting! :D

[thirdwave]

oh, of course there is a chance you will meet a great being and will have a really positive expirience...

but the problem is ..its a toss of a coin.

[marpat]

oh, of course there is a chance you will meet a great being and will have a really positive expirience...

but the problem is ..its a toss of a coin.


Experience is always the best teacher but not always the most pleasant one. mmm I like that, think I will have to use that for my sig.

[neutron flux]

Well there you go then! You seem to have all the right info to reflect your present beliefs about ouija, and judging from your posts on this thread your mind seems pretty much made up about it.

I could say the same but when you present such articles as the one you posted just reinforces the opinion that people make up their mind based on limited and flawed data, with no investigation. That's fine but it comes across as a Pavlovian response to the point that people's minds shut down and it's obviously "evil" and shouldn't be touched because it will make you insane or you'll get possessed. Next you'll be getting the torches and the pitch forks out. :D

Can someone explain how David Icke was possessed at the end of "...And The Truth Will Set You Free"? No Ouija necessary.

Coupled with the fact that you give the definite impression you feel the rest of us are just pulling stuff out of our 'you-know-wheres'

Again, I could say the same about everyone here on this thread apart from ES, that seems to think that I'm talking out of my backside. The difference being I'm presenting data and examples whilst the rest of you seem to reference someone going into mental asylums, glasses hitting the wall and flawed articles with little or no facts.

Enjoy the ouija

I never said I was. I like to investigate and get to the bottom of things.

oh, of course there is a chance you will meet a great being and will have a really positive expirience...

but the problem is ..its a toss of a coin.

You haven't read a word I've said, have you? lol

[marpat]

Er, did I mention anything about mental asylums or people going mad or anything like that? let us not generalise

[limelady]

Neutron, yes, our posts crossed in the mail, and I am now aware you have not settled upon whether you will try ouija or not, and perhaps I sent you to a dodgy link -I didn't have time to read it through (my bad), but I learnt of this many years ago from information I read while studying parapsychology and I only remembered it last night so thought there may be information about this particular case on the web, due to a movie having been based on it. I still haven't read through that information to see if it corresponds to what I remember reading about this case all those years ago.

However, I made some posts on this thread based on observations I made from personal experience - some might call this type of first-hand learning experience 'the school of hard knocks' - and when one relates such experiences to others either they accept them in the spirit in which they were given, or they don't, because such experiences can rarely be proven. But what I can assure you of is that what I witnessed way back when I was a teenager has had a lasting impact on me to the present moment, and since that time I have done a great deal of researching of all matter 'outside the box'.

Like I said already, I don't have the time (or the desire either to be perfectly honest) to go digging for further information to provide to you that you may or may not accept as valid, so I'm opting out of the discussion from here on.

I wish you well with your own life journey. :)

[lizzy]

Fair enough, I'm not saying everyone should go out and do it but merely stating that it could be utilized in a helpful way for some, but only after working on yourself and knowledge gathered so you know what you are doing. I haven't attempted as I haven't gathered enough knowledge, and I may never do it - I just think there are many assumptions and misinformation on the subject that need to be addressed (most of which stems from the church).

hi neutron,:)

I happen to agree with your first interpretation,...I thought this summed it up very well......
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The board acts as a mirror, so anything "scary" and "dangerous" is what is within you or another participant.

There's a lot of rubbish going around about spirit boards when they can be used as a self-development tool, but you should research first and choose wisely who participates with you.

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I used it many years ago. Nothing of any consequence happened. Some thought it was moving it'self , others did'nt.....

I thought sub-consciously we moved it.

At the same time it scared some. We came to it on several occassions and I think if your are ready to be scared or are upset or in fear of it, whatever happens you will assume is supernatural.

But on the sub-conscious , i agree it can be a tool. But if approached in a acedamic, detached way, I mean without feeling any harm CAN come to you......it probablly won't. But really just because I did'nt have a bad experience it certainly doe'nt mean you can't have a really bad one. Cus after a few times my intuition told me to stay away. It scared me for an hour or so,

Keep us all posted if to try.

[thirdwave]

You haven't read a word I've said, have you? lol

yes, that point was in retaliation to Limes comment.

[neutron flux]

However, I made some posts on this thread based on observations I made from personal experience - some might call this type of first-hand learning experience 'the school of hard knocks' - and when one relates such experiences to others either they accept them in the spirit in which they were given, or they don't, because such experiences can rarely be proven. But what I can assure you of is that what I witnessed way back when I was a teenager has had a lasting impact on me to the present moment, and since that time I have done a great deal of researching of all matter 'outside the box'.


Well, I'm not surprised that both cases stem from people being teenagers at the time.
1. I don't think any teenager should be doing it because the energy involved might "fry" people's "circuits" causing problems - but not necessarily from any spirits.

2. The belief and expectations from immature teenagers could also cause problems especially at night trying to scare each other.

I used it many years ago. Nothing of any consequence happened. Some thought it was moving it'self , others did'nt.....

I thought sub-consciously we moved it.

Yes, pretty much it is.

At the same time it scared some. We came to it on several occassions and I think if your are ready to be scared or are upset or in fear of it, whatever happens you will assume is supernatural.


Beliefs and expectations can play tricks on people.

But on the sub-conscious , i agree it can be a tool. But if approached in a acedamic, detached way, I mean without feeling any harm CAN come to you......it probablly won't. But really just because I did'nt have a bad experience it certainly doe'nt mean you can't have a really bad one. Cus after a few times my intuition told me to stay away. It scared me for an hour or so,

Yes, if I do it I'll be attempting with a sense of playfulness and performing differential diagnosis on anything that comes my way and assume that everything that is said is a lie. I'm sure they'll be parasites and attachments and all sorts, but all these things are here around us anyway, so I might as well communicate with them and send them on their way.

[carlo]

By the time you have put all that in the middle their is no place for the glass?

And also, how would you know whether the so-called spirit is pointing to the letter or the numbers?how to make your own spirit board cut equally 26 square pieces of paper to write the alphabet on, 10 pieces of paper with 0 to 9 written on, and two pieces with yes and no written on the paper.

Form a circle with the letters of the alphabet, then arrange the numbers 0 to 9 inside the cirle, in a straight line or in the shape of a semi circle, then place the yes and no in the middle of the circle.
A mirror or a polished smooth table is best, all you need then is a glass put this in the middle of the circle ( small tumbler is best) put your finger any you wish to use though index feels most comfortable on top of the glass and ask out in your mind or physically with words.....Is ther anybody there, or something similar anyone want to talk?
If it works and you get a strong connection with a spirit the speed the glass moves at is fast! don't panic unless it starts spelling out horrible stuff, just start again ask if anyone is there?
hopefully another purer spirit will then start to communicate with you.

If the glass moves towards the edge of the circle and trys to break through the circle aks it to stop and if it doesn't take your fingers off the glass. Some say you shouldn't allow the circle to be broken.

Be patient, sometimes it will spell words that seems like gibberish, maybe write them down and look these words up. If you don't get an on topic answer to a question, try wording the question differently.

[izzy]

Does anyone have any experience or advice on the subject...


yea dont go there ...

[eternal_spirit]

By the time you have put all that in the middle their is no place for the glass?

And also, how would you know whether the so-called spirit is pointing to the letter or the numbers?

........................

Wrong. I've explained it exactly how I've done it many times.

The glass moves to each letter it spells out, try it then come back and tell me what happened.

[nesht]

I can only post from my own experiences here, but I have used a ouija board successfully for several years.

At first the communication was pretty sketchy, but we got interesting facts which encouraged us to keep going, and all the messages that we now receive are full of love, compassion and teaching.

I would not say that the ouija is necessarily a 'lazy' way of communicating, like everything else, you get back what you put in, so in order to receive the highest you need to develop personally. With any Spirit contact it is the intent that matters.

We get the same people through the board, relatives and Spirit Guides and my mother was inspired to write a book - which she just had published last year.

If you approach the ouija with fear or apprehension and are not psychically developed then I would say to leave it alone.

[the_mole]

Use Ouija's regularly when out doing my ghost investigations in some of the most haunted places around - and even tho there is a lot of bad vibes surrounding them, much of it is based in religious irrationality.

If you know what your doing, then there isn't any problems with them at all - they are just another tool in communicating with the spirit world. Ok, maybe different if a bunch of drunks get to together for a laugh, but never been there so can't comment on it.

But nothing wrong with them at all in my experience - and I've been in some "nasty" places when doing them with various malevolent spirits about.

Wrong!
You are inviting energies into your life you have no control over and one day you may just invite the wrong one. They can only come if invited and then people that are true mediums and not meddlers have to fix things. This can be difficult. It's not the way to experience the spiritual realms and the Ouiji influence can make it hard to be rid of. Don't play with what you don't know.

Admittedly this source is a medium I know kind of, but I wouldn't play with this, simply because you don't know what portals you may be opening. Experience is one thing, inviting is entirely different.

[sk8erboi]

Sorry to drag up an old thread, but I just wanted to strongly voice my objections to people using Ouija boards as a form of communication with spirits. I think it is irresponsible to encourage their use by giving instructions on how to make one.

Using Ouija boards does send an open invitation for different energies to enter your life. At best, you'll get a playful spirit who will tell you lies, At worst you could end up with a poltergeist or end up seriously disturbed by something far more malignant.

I used to experiment with them when I was young, and yes they do work. I sat back during one encounter, without my hand on the glass and said to the spirit- in my head so noone could hear me- if you're real, spell out the following number, e.g. 1359267, and the spirit spelt that out on the board. I was not touching the glass, and none of the other three people in the room knew what I had communicated in my head. Also, When your hand is on the glass, you can feel the energies actually moving the glass. While I never had a really negative experience some of the energies that came in were so strong and oppressive that I had to leave the house for hours before I could return- it felt like the atmosphere of the house had been electrified. Others have been so oppressive I have ended up in tears from the heaviness of their presence (this spirit was more likely lost than malicious). The energy stays around for quite a while and doesn't end when you put the board away. I was lucky. Knowing more now than I did then I would NEVER do it again.

I have had positive encounters with the other side such as family members who have passed over and this has reinforced to me the power that spirits from that world can have in this world. I have been touched by spirits, have seen them manifest, and have been positively guided in times of distress. However, just as in our world there are good and bad people, there are also good and bad spirits. In a Ouija board setting, which most people experiment with out of reckless curiosity you are more likely to attract the BAD kind. Just as the good kind have power, so do the bad.

If anyone is interested in making contact with the other side, NEVER ask directly for a spirit etc. Make sure you go through God- in whatever form you conceptualise God- this will help to protect you. Make sure you know how to surround yourself with white light, and seek guidance from someone experienced in such matters. And don't use a Ouija board! It can be a DANGEROUS thing to dabble with when you don't know what you're dealing with.

Focus on your personal spiritual development and relationship with God before naively dabbling in the spirit world. Know what you are getting yourself into.

Sorry for the long rant! I don't mean to preach to anyone, it's just something that I feel really strongly about!

[lhaull]

Ouiga my arse.
Just grab a nine iron, head out to the nearest hilltop during a thunder storm and hold the club aloft and scream 'Is anyone there.'

If you do it long enough and hard enough, you will get an answer.

Amounts to the same thing.

Or be wise and learn to walk before you run.
Opening doors is not hard, closing the bastard is another matter.

Any responsible dabbler will tell you the same.

[scotty99]

Quite a good site for all things paranormal. Here is the Q board thread


http://anybodythere.net/cgi-bin/paranormal-forums/YaBB.pl?board=quija



Regards Scott