"Welsh Roswell" TV Show Tonight

[hagbard_celine]

It's just finished, but don't worry it will probably be repeated; and some good person is sure to put on YouTube.

I don't know much about this case, but the TV show definitely concentrated on the non-UFO viewpoint.

I recieved a round-robin email just before the show went on air, relayed by a firend, from one of the Llandrillo residents. (He's out to "spread the word" so I doubt if he'll mind me relating what he said). He says that the show's producers, Firefly TV, spent an entire day with him filming all over the Berwyns and that he gave them a message from Pat Evans, the lady who saw the UFO on the ground. It proves that the explanation that she saw the torchlights from police and poachers can't be true; and her own sighting didn't resemble "Earthquake lights". The timelines of Pat's own journey and that of the police don't match. My correspondent is currently in a "battle" with the British Geological Survey to get some papers on the incident released. He says that there was no UFO crash but that a CE2 incident occurred; i.e. a craft landed on Cader Bronwen and stayed there from 8.30 PM till at least 10.30PM.

I was personally suspicious of the explanation given by Andy Roberts to debunk the reports of army operations in the Berwyns. A few parked mountain rescue landrovers left in the village doesn't match the eyewitness accounts. Remember the "Avebury Carlos"? "It indicated that those assumed to be poor witnesses are a lot better than was previously thought.

[diamond dogs]

I had not heard too much about this incident. I watched parts of it and had to laugh at the number of 'experts' they had from seismologists to one guy that said the recording was a street lamp lol he could hardly keep a straight face when he was proclaiming this.

Nick Pope had his two penneth as well....another UFO media drip of info

[freethinker]

how did they explain the ufo that nearly collided with a police helicopter

[hagbard_celine]

how did they explain the ufo that nearly collided with a police helicopter

The programme only dealt with the Berwyn Mountains Incident of January 1974...

But I'm interested to hear exactly what kind of meteorological conditions Andy Roberts thinks those policemen saw last month!:D:p

[who elsie]

I didn't see the programme, but I'm glad that at least this incident looks like it's going to receive some proper attention at last. It's a much reported, but seldom investigated incident. I wouldn't trust anything Andy Roberts says tho.

[hagbard_celine]

I didn't see the programme, but I'm glad that at least this incident looks like it's going to receive some proper attention at last. It's a much reported, but seldom investigated incident. I wouldn't trust anything Andy Roberts says tho.

The more and more I speak to people about it, the more and more suspicious I find that TV show. Scott Felton, my correspondant, has given me permission to divulge his identity and distribute his testimony:

Hi ---

Thanks for the email and kind words. I've been inundated with similar thoughts.

I know well of Nick Redfern's research over the years and I can't say too much, but I am just waiting for some info' from North Wales Police in order to conclude a chapter in a book for which I have been invited to write by a very well known researcher's latest book. NWP has dragged and dragged its heels and I've had to complain over its abuse of the FOIA. The force knows that I have documents which prove that decisions were taken to subvert Pat Evans' interest in assisting that night. What I've asked for will only reinforce this. Little wonder that ex assistant chief constable was filmed - remarkable.

Firefly Productions filming team got access to a tiny snippet of my overall information which was documentation showing that Andy Roberts' version of events which he has published on the Internet and in books, was fabricated.

Again remarkably, just two days before the airing, I received the results of a two year long battle with the British Geological Survey. I had been obstructed by Roger Musson who appeared on the programme and who is a personal friend of Roberts. That of course was not publicised, but Roberts based his debunking version on maps and other documents held by Musson. I discovered this and was forced to complain and appeal to the Director of the BGS. An internal investigation ensued.

The said maps give some of the info' Roberts quotes, but is mostly fabricated and or enhanced. He has relied heavily on the public not getting access to such documentation.

Firefly was shown evidence of collusion, conspiracy, lying you name it. The result was that just the day before, the Director of the filming team left me a voice message saying that me and my evidence had been axed by the Editor. It seems they filled the gap with the irrelevant gamekeeper sighting (three weeks later) and the year 2000 camcorder shots.

Clearly the company wanted a balanced programme 'in its way', and so did not want the final conclusive evidence that Andy Roberts was a liar. Even the Policeman lied and they edited out the testimony of Huw Lloyd and Ieuan and let the copper rant. I can assure you, that Huw Lloyd was filmed stating that at no time did any Police Officer leave his vehicle or use a torch on the open mountainside of Cader Bronwen. The film also omitted the fact that Pat Evans and her daughters were four miles away. Her object was on Cader Berwyn or more accurately a sub peak, Moel Sych and Roberts has persistently twisted this to suggest that everyone, farmers, Police, poachers were on this mountain.

Jenny Randles was apparently not appearing on the programme and Nick Pope too is a spook. Indeed, he, once visited Huw Lloyd with another man and gave a false name, Huw only realising this some months later when he saw him on TV.

I can't yet prove there was an alien craft on Cader Berwyn, but I can proof unreservedly that everyone on that programme against a UFO, last night lied and lied again.

Thanks again for your kind words. Please do keep in touch.

Scott L. Felton

[freethinker]

is the show on youtube yet ?

[hagbard_celine]

is the show on youtube yet ?

Can't see it yet, but keep a lookout. It's called Britain's Closest Encounters and it's the first in a 6-part series.

[mrguitarbear]

Its an interesting point that HM Government hasn't actually released the files for this UFO sighting , this suggests that there may be more to it than the producers of the film actually suggested. If it was just an ' earthquake ' then what is there to hide ?

Andy Roberts made a point of ridiculing the suggestion that alien bodies would have been transported from Cadair Bronwen to Porton Down by road vehicle , but bringing in a helicopter would have definitely drawn attention to the fact that something was being recovered off the mountainside. Using road vehicles would have been much less conspicuous.

[mondo23]

how did they explain the ufo that nearly collided with a police helicopter

There was a little bit on HTV welsh news last week saying that a lady from the same area had rung in to say that on the night of the incident she had a party for her husband's birthday and they set off lanterns. I smelled a rat straight away. As far as I'm aware the BBC welsh news did not report that even though they had reported on the incident intself. Also, as far as I'm aware the South Wales Echo didnt report that either but the next day had a full page article on another sighting in Brecon by a gentleman who happened to be a Psychologist. Also a lady who lives quite close to Cardiff airport reported seeing strange lights that were not planes of any kind. She has been living in the area some 20 odd years and said she could tell they were not lights from an plane.
I'm sure the pilots of the police helicopter that had that near miss could tell if it was a lantern or not. In fact I'm pretty sure theyre briefed on such things. I have asked my friend who works for South Wales police and she replied that, although she cant be certain she's sure the pilots would know if they were lanterns or not.
I have since heard from several other people in the South Wales area who have seen some strange things in the sky in the past few months.
Something's going on thats for sure.

[mondo23]

Anyone read a book called The Welsh Triangle? I picked it up in a second hand book store the other day.
Ive not read it yet but its about many sightings in the West Wales, especially the Pembroke and Aberstwyth areas during the 70's.
I lived close to St Davids several years ago, which is right in this supposed triangle. I saw some things there I cant explain and heard numerous stories from numerous people about UFO sightings etc.
The book I bought says there is an underground/under water base.
There's a big military presence there, american and british.

[who elsie]

The more and more I speak to people about it, the more and more suspicious I find that TV show. Scott Felton, my correspondant, has given me permission to divulge his identity and distribute his testimony:

Really interesting correspondence Hagbard. It's amazing how many established UFO researchers seem to have their own agendas. I see our friend Nicky P gets a mention again! Steven Greer hinted in an article in Nexus last year that most UFO literature is littered with disinfo or outright lies. His comments seemed a bit OTT at the time, but maybe he's right.

[mrguitarbear]

The story below been put out to distract people from the UFOs story , make people think those who see UFOs are nutters or mistaken :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7489457.stm

[thematrix]

google video link for "Welsh Roswell" (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4229735559825757217&hl=en)

It still amazes me in days when the bookies have slashed the odds on an Alien encounter to something like 10:1 that people who believe in Aliens visiting the earth are so villified.

*sigh* just finished watching it - the general theme is "move along folks - nothing to see here" they even managed to stick the handy mantra "Conspiracy theorists" in there several times.

the 2000 Camcorder bit - The Rowlands case was ridiculous. The UFO filmed is remarkably similar to craft filmed by NASA in the "tether incident" - the film has been bought by a film company reportedly for £20k and has been described as "one of the top five pieces of video footage of UFOs ever taken" [source] (http://www.ufocasebook.com/sharonrowlands.html) and instead of mentionning any of that they dig up a "special effects expert" who thinks it's a street light - or a light on a pole. My head is still spinning.

[hagbard_celine]

Its an interesting point that HM Government hasn't actually released the files for this UFO sighting , this suggests that there may be more to it than the producers of the film actually suggested. If it was just an ' earthquake ' then what is there to hide ?

Andy Roberts made a point of ridiculing the suggestion that alien bodies would have been transported from Cadair Bronwen to Porton Down by road vehicle , but bringing in a helicopter would have definitely drawn attention to the fact that something was being recovered off the mountainside. Using road vehicles would have been much less conspicuous.

Exactly, since when has Andy Roberts been in on government UFO salavge policy?:eek::rolleyes::p

And as Scott Felton says, the British Geological Survey has files that it is trying to keep secret, even during the time the prtogramme was being shot!

[hagbard_celine]

Anyone read a book called The Welsh Triangle? I picked it up in a second hand book store the other day.
Ive not read it yet but its about many sightings in the West Wales, especially the Pembroke and Aberstwyth areas during the 70's.
I lived close to St Davids several years ago, which is right in this supposed triangle. I saw some things there I cant explain and heard numerous stories from numerous people about UFO sightings etc.
The book I bought says there is an underground/under water base.
There's a big military presence there, american and british.


I lived there at the time; I grew up in Lampeter. I was only a small kid, but it's amazing to think that I was living in a UFO flap area!:eek: Still in Wales kids tend to be left out of "grown-up" things. Welsh children's relationship to the adult world is very different to English children's.

I certainly recall a massive military presence. I used to go for walks with my dad at Tregaron Bog and along the shore at Aberaeron and we would pass marching troops on the road and jet aircraft would fly overhead continuously.

I'll have to keep a lookout for that book.

[hagbard_celine]

Really interesting correspondence Hagbard. It's amazing how many established UFO researchers seem to have their own agendas. I see our friend Nicky P gets a mention again! Steven Greer hinted in an article in Nexus last year that most UFO literature is littered with disinfo or outright lies. His comments seemed a bit OTT at the time, but maybe he's right.


It seems you can't make a TV show about UFO's without Nick Pope!:D He's become the nations leading pundit on the subject. I doubt very much that he is a knowing disinformer. When I met him he actually spoke about his frustration of being seen like that. But I wouldn't be at all surpirsed if someone behind the scenes is pulling his strings. He's been set up as the "public face" of UFOlogy.

[hagbard_celine]

google video link for "Welsh Roswell" (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4229735559825757217&hl=en)

It still amazes me in days when the bookies have slashed the odds on an Alien encounter to something like 10:1 that people who believe in Aliens visiting the earth are so villified.

*sigh* just finished watching it - the general theme is "move along folks - nothing to see here" they even managed to stick the handy mantra "Conspiracy theorists" in there several times.

the 2000 Camcorder bit - The Rowlands case was ridiculous. The UFO filmed is remarkably similar to craft filmed by NASA in the "tether incident" - the film has been bought by a film company reportedly for £20k and has been described as "one of the top five pieces of video footage of UFOs ever taken" [source] (http://www.ufocasebook.com/sharonrowlands.html) and instead of mentionning any of that they dig up a "special effects expert" who thinks it's a street light - or a light on a pole. My head is still spinning.

I wonder if there is other sections of the footage that Firefly TV chose to, edit out.;)

[thematrix]

I wonder if there is other sections of the footage that Firefly TV chose to, edit out.;)

hehe. I often think that if I was a documentary film producer who filmed plenty enough footage to produce a fair and balanced look at a subject like this I would wind up absolutely livid if the tv company made my film into somehting that biased. Possibly a good thing I'm a Pastry Chef :)

I'm sitting on the fence for Nick Pope - I get the impression he knows more than he communicates to the world at large and is keeping schtum because he has been told to, or he's just the frontline mushroom and genuinely knows nothing.

Interesting as well that they had that lady UFOlogist on who said that "95% of reports get explained" but glossed over the fact that 5% by those numbers don't get explained.

I live not all that far away these days from the Derring Lines and it seems like every other day there are planes flying low overhead.

[saab1981]

re. nick pope. anyone else feel his surname is significant, and a sort of hidden agenda/message by the media or TPTB? What with the vatican stating about the possibility of extra-terrestrial existence, and if anyone reads Project Serpo, you will see a recent update on there about the Pope's U.S. meeting with an extra-terrestrial.

[hagbard_celine]

hehe. I often think that if I was a documentary film producer who filmed plenty enough footage to produce a fair and balanced look at a subject like this I would wind up absolutely livid if the tv company made my film into somehting that biased. Possibly a good thing I'm a Pastry Chef :)

I'm sitting on the fence for Nick Pope - I get the impression he knows more than he communicates to the world at large and is keeping schtum because he has been told to, or he's just the frontline mushroom and genuinely knows nothing.

Interesting as well that they had that lady UFOlogist on who said that "95% of reports get explained" but glossed over the fact that 5% by those numbers don't get explained.

I live not all that far away these days from the Derring Lines and it seems like every other day there are planes flying low overhead.


Pope seems to be playing the role of a "useful idiot". (Not that he is an idiot:o, it's just an expression!) If I was in govt and had a crashed UFO in a sub-basement of Porton Down then Pope would be the last person I'd tell. As the "public face" of UFOlogy I'd feed him bullshit to pass onto the public! Maybe that is what is happening!:eek: He could well be an unknowning disinformer. There's no need to for him to deliberately lie. Really unknwoing disinformers are far better than knowing ones because they can be completely sincere in their bullshitting and never swap benches and blow the whistle!:cool:

[hagbard_celine]

re. nick pope. anyone else feel his surname is significant, and a sort of hidden agenda/message by the media or TPTB? What with the vatican stating about the possibility of extra-terrestrial existence, and if anyone reads Project Serpo, you will see a recent update on there about the Pope's U.S. meeting with an extra-terrestrial.

It's possible. Words carry energy and subconscious thought-projection.

[mrguitarbear]

Pope seems to be playing the role of a "useful idiot". (Not that he is an idiot:o, it's just an expression!) If I was in govt and had a crashed UFO in a sub-basement of Porton Down then Pope would be the last person I'd tell. As the "public face" of UFOlogy I'd feed him bullshit to pass onto the public! Maybe that is what is happening!:eek: He could well be an unknowning disinformer. There's no need to for him to deliberately lie. Really unknwoing disinformers are far better than knowing ones because they can be completely sincere in their bullshitting and never swap benches and blow the whistle!:cool:

Thats my feeling about Pope , he doesn't know very much. If the truth is out there , it will be known to as few people as possible - to prevent it getting out.

[mondo23]

Tonight on channel 5 at 8pm is about the Welsh Triangle. What a strange 'coincidence' that I bought a book at a second hand book store the other day which is about this Welsh Triangle.

[hagbard_celine]

Tonight on channel 5 at 8pm is about the Welsh Triangle. What a strange 'coincidence' that I bought a book at a second hand book store the other day which is about this Welsh Triangle.

It's also odd that we were discussing that very thing here!:eek: Maybe the producers want to deal with each part of the UK at a time. We've got Wales, then England then Scotland etc.

[mondo23]

It's also odd that we were discussing that very thing here!:eek: Maybe the producers want to deal with each part of the UK at a time. We've got Wales, then England then Scotland etc.


Aah synchronicities. Gotta love em ;)

I'll be watching this prog with interest. I think I'm gonna have to spend my august off work hanging around west wales and poking my nose in where its not wanted.

[freethinker]

was the show any good ?

[mercuryrapids]

Tonight on channel 5 at 8pm is about the Welsh Triangle. What a strange 'coincidence' that I bought a book at a second hand book store the other day which is about this Welsh Triangle.

I have a great book called the Uninvited by Clive Harold. It tells the story of what happened to the Coombs family on Ripperston farm. Lots more than what was mentioned on last night's programme.

[who elsie]

I have a great book called the Uninvited by Clive Harold. It tells the story of what happened to the Coombs family on Ripperston farm. Lots more than what was mentioned on last night's programme.

Yes, even though they devoted most of the hour long programme to this series of events, it still left you feeling that there must have been much more to it. A man in a welding mask scaring a family half-witless?! Don't think so somehow.

On the whole, I thought it was another pretty weak tv show about UFOs - and I couldn't believe that they're still trotting out the old 'lighthouse theory' to explain the Rendlesham Forest incident. I know they have to be balanced, but how many times does it have to be disproved?

[hagbard_celine]

I have a great book called the Uninvited by Clive Harold. It tells the story of what happened to the Coombs family on Ripperston farm. Lots more than what was mentioned on last night's programme.

I know they've got to get evereything into a 50 minute slot, but they're leaving an awful lot out!:eek:

I missed it because of work, but hopefully it will be on google vid soon, alongside the first one.

[mrguitarbear]

Yes, even though they devoted most of the hour long programme to this series of events, it still left you feeling that there must have been much more to it. A man in a welding mask scaring a family half-witless?! Don't think so somehow.

On the whole, I thought it was another pretty weak tv show about UFOs - and I couldn't believe that they're still trotting out the old 'lighthouse theory' to explain the Rendlesham Forest incident. I know they have to be balanced, but how many times does it have to be disproved?

I dunno , I disagree here : I think the ' silver spaceman ' thing was a hoax. I just got the feeling ' That ones a hoax ' when they were talking about it on the programme , and it turned out some guy was dressing up in a silver suit and wandering about !

I don't deny the Coombs family did see something at Ripperston Farm , but I just get the feeling it was someone playing silly buggers.

The actual UFO sightings are a lot more mysterious - the kids that saw the saucer , the lights in the sky and everything like that.

The Rendlesham Forest incident is probably the most impressive UFO incident that occurred in Britain , but its fairly well known so I'm glad to see the programme pretty much skipped over it : interesting as well to see Nick Pope defending Rendlesham as a genuine UFO encounter !

Better than the previous one I thought.

[who elsie]

I dunno , I disagree here : I think the ' silver spaceman ' thing was a hoax. I just got the feeling ' That ones a hoax ' when they were talking about it on the programme , and it turned out some guy was dressing up in a silver suit and wandering about !

I don't deny the Coombs family did see something at Ripperston Farm , but I just get the feeling it was someone playing silly buggers.

The actual UFO sightings are a lot more mysterious - the kids that saw the saucer , the lights in the sky and everything like that.

The Rendlesham Forest incident is probably the most impressive UFO incident that occurred in Britain , but its fairly well known so I'm glad to see the programme pretty much skipped over it : interesting as well to see Nick Pope defending Rendlesham as a genuine UFO encounter !

Better than the previous one I thought.

When there is a spate of UFO/ alien sightings and high media interest, the inevitable is that hoaxes will follow. I think this is what happened here, so it gets kinda muddy as to which is which. I just thought the programme played on the hoax angle a bit too much.

I didn't realise this was part of a series. I thought it was a one-off. That probably explains why they devoted so much time to just 1 or 2 stories.