"Astro–theology<wbr>" is bullshit

[nowheretorun]

I had to edit this post and movie, I had a few errors in the first draft. Its all fixed now.

I couldn’t believe it when I found out how badly we were being lied to by Tsarion, Maxwell, Acharya etc. about “Astro-theology” This is a 10 min presentation of a few of the major problems with it.

You might want to download an astronomy program to confirm what Im saying.
Here is a link to one of the ones I used.
http://www.stellarium.org/

What I mainly covered in this first part (more coming) is the following:

1.)The idea of the three stars in Orion’s belt aligning with Sirius and pointing to the rising sun on Dec 25th is very misleading for a number of reasons.

2.)The idea that the sun rises in the southern cross on the solstice (or anytime) being a physical impossibility

3.)The sun staying motionless for three days on dec 25th

4.)And why this is being told to the truth movement. IMO


Its only 10 minutes long, go ahead watch it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mtmO36tmuT0


There is also just the audio available here for all you 56Kers
http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/astrotheology/astrotheology.mp3

Here is a link so you can download this in wmv format
http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/astrotheology/astrotheology.wmv

[montag]

Good video mate, I'll look in to it a bit further, thanks for posting.

[kingmonkey]

Knowledge is power. Educate yo' self!

Tsarion's a complete fraud. Either that or he actually believes the crap he comes out with. I don't know which is scarier. The first time I watched a tsarion dvd i thought "WOW, this is amazing!", then after thinking about it and a bit of reading I couldn't believe he nearly had me.

[anoninnyc]

i get a bad feeling about tsarion. always have.

[empyblessing]

I hate Christianity for my own reasons. :p

[sorath]

I hate Christianity for my own reasons. :p

Bingo!

[kasalt]

But doesn't Psalm 19.1-6 validate the most basic claim of astrotheology--that the sun is symbolic of the Son of God?

Psalm 19.1-6

1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

This is a quote from Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on Psalm 19.1-6:

The heavens so declare the glory of God, and proclaim his wisdom, power, and goodness, that all ungodly men are left without excuse. They speak themselves to be works of God's hands; for they must have a Creator who is eternal, infinitely wise, powerful, and good. The counter-changing of day and night is a great proof of the power of God, and calls us to observe, that, as in the kingdom of nature, so in that of providence, he forms the light, and creates the darkness, Isa 45:7, and sets the one against the other. The sun in the firmament is an emblem of the Sun of righteousness (Malachi 4:2), the Bridegroom of the church, and the Light of the world, diffusing Divine light and salvation by his gospel to the nations of the earth. He delights to bless his church, which he has espoused to himself; and his course will be unwearied as that of the sun, till the whole earth is filled with his light and salvation. Let us pray for the time when he shall enlighten, cheer, and make fruitful every nation on earth, with the blessed salvation. They have no speech or language, so some read it, and yet their voice is heard. All people may hear these preachers speak in their own tongue the wonderful works of God. Let us give God the glory of all the comfort and benefit we have by the lights of heaven, still looking above and beyond them to the Sun of righteousness.

Back in 1994 I had an OBE, during which I was told by an interior voice that the reason why the words "sun" and "son" were so similar in pronounciation and spelling is because it had been "arranged" that way. I was told that the purpose of this arrangement was to cause people to subconsciously equate the two, and due to this, eventually people would consciously come to faith in "the Son of God", Jesus Christ, who is "the light of the world" and "the source of life". This was a dozen years before I heard about any of the claims of astrotheology.

Here is an Acharya S video that I highly recommend viewing:

Sun of God? - YouTube

[nowheretorun]

But doesn't Psalm 19.1-6 validate the most basic claim of astrotheology--that the sun is symbolic of the Son of God?

Psalm 19.1-6

1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

This is a quote from Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on Psalm 19.1-6:



Back in 1994 I had an OBE, during which I was told by an interior voice that the reason why the words "sun" and "son" were so similar in pronounciation and spelling is because it had been "arranged" that way. I was told that the purpose of this arrangement was to cause people to subconsciously equate the two, and due to this, eventually people would consciously come to faith in "the Son of God", Jesus Christ, who is "the light of the world" and "the source of life". This was a dozen years before I heard about any of the claims of astrotheology.

Here is an Acharya S video that I highly recommend viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ-kvw1fYXs


this concept is what I am going to hit on in the second part

here is some links that will give an idea of my view on this.

for the most part I feel "astro theology" doesnt tell the whole story, In this regard, I feel it is deceptive by its picking and choosing of the material generally presented. Its like looking at it through a glass darkly.
here are the links

http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterSix/TOCChapterSix.htm
http://www.ldolphin.org/zodiac/index.html
http://www.ffmp3.com/catalog/1998/00452.mp3

[razed1]

i dont know why my 2nd post was deleted, i am trying to let the forumers know that these are ignorant posts, the things that this guy are saying are LIES

he hasnt done any research into this field, if he has, then his conclusions are WRONG

[montag]

i dont know why my 2nd post was deleted, i am trying to let the forumers know that these are ignorant posts, the things that this guy are saying are LIES

he hasnt done any research into this field, if he has, then his conclusions are WRONG
Thank you for your concern razed but I think most of us 'forumers' are big enough and smart enough to work it out for ourselves.:)

[montag]

I'll tell you what I do agree with and that is the figure and teachings of Jesus Christ(if he did ever exist) were corrupted by the Babylonian brotherhood in Rome for their own purposes to be used as another form of control. Now that we seem to be in the age of revealing, it is as if they want us to have this information so that the old structure can be taken down to make way for their new one. Thats my opinion anyway.

[razed1]

Thank you for your concern razed but I think most of us 'forumers' are big enough and smart enough to work it out for ourselves.:)

well judging from your response, i dont think you speak for the rest of the forum, but regarding yourself, i highly doubt what youre trying to say,

[montag]

well judging from your response, i dont think you speak for the rest of the forum, but regarding yourself, i highly doubt what youre trying to say,
I only speak for myself of course, but I have faith in the people on this forum to be discerning enough to come to their own conclusions. Anyway what does it matter what others think, it's none of your business, is it? What matters is what you think about it, so why don't you have a go at countering the claims then instead of hurling insults?

[amethyst]

I'll tell you what I do agree with and that is the figure and teachings of Jesus Christ(if he did ever exist) were corrupted by the Babylonian brotherhood in Rome for their own purposes to be used as another form of control. Now that we seem to be in the age of revealing, it is as if they want us to have this information so that the old structure can be taken down to make way for their new one. Thats my opinion anyway.

And in my opinion, your opinion is quite perceptive and astute Montag.:D

I tend to agree. The babylonian brotherhood of that time used Christ's message and teaching to promote their own agenda- something that their present day offspring (of the babylonian brotherhood), are still doing.

Taking something that was originally good, and useing it for their own twisted purposes.

And it is very closely aligned to what has been written in the scriptural texts. It would have to be or else it wouldn't fool a lot of people into buying into the false.

But genuine truthseekers and people who really love and want the real truth will go beyond the surface and read between the lines to get at the real meaning.

Sometimes the real truth is the most obvious, and therefore the most overlooked- cuz it's so simple.

[empyblessing]

I don't really pay much attention to Tsarion and Maxwell and pay zero attention to astro-theology. I really like Tsarion's work on psychology and human nature but he's really just pulling pieces from psychologists and philosophers. Much of his work isn't actually his work.

Because I'm not interested in astro-theology or the origins of Jesus, I also have no interest in validating the claims made in this video. If someone is interested in doing that then I'd be certain to listen to the results.

[thirdwave]

I'll tell you what I do agree with and that is the figure and teachings of Jesus Christ(if he did ever exist) were corrupted by the Babylonian brotherhood in Rome for their own purposes to be used as another form of control. Now that we seem to be in the age of revealing, it is as if they want us to have this information so that the old structure can be taken down to make way for their new one. Thats my opinion anyway.

I agree, and I think they are having a hard time deprogramming people!

I think they must be thinking "Damn we screwed this one in a bit to tight!" :eek:

[thirdwave]

I don't really pay much attention to Tsarion and Maxwell and pay zero attention to astro-theology. I really like Tsarion's work on psychology and human nature but he's really just pulling pieces from psychologists and philosophers. Much of his work isn't actually his work.

Because I'm not interested in astro-theology or the origins of Jesus, I also have no interest in validating the claims made in this video. If someone is interested in doing that then I'd be certain to listen to the results.

Im not sure about this astrology stuff as i have not really got my self clued up on it in depth... but I would no way go by what "nowhere to run" says about it...

I would check out alternative info and get other info on board to work out where these other claims may be coming from....

but as of yet I cant really comment other than NWTR most of the time builds allot of his views up on "mainstream" info which much of the time can provide facts but it can also leave other important facts out....its down to whether people wana go looking for them or not....

I know that with Tsarion he can sometimes not explain him self as he expects the reader to be a bit more clued up than thay are... for example when reading through his Tarrot pages, he is trying to explain how he feels the tarot originated from the Egyptians... Now, on the "Magician" card he is explaining how the table has 1 base and 3 legs..... where in the Rider Wait pic the table actually only has 1 visible leg and the other is in like with the man.... I was looking for ages and thinking what is he on about.... then I looked at some older decks and I saw what he was talking about and saw it had 3 legs and 1 table top.... I have come across a few things like that with Tsarion...

what I do know about the astrology thing when I watched a Graham Hancock DVD on sacred places around the world... he worked out how all of them where interactive with different stars and so on.... but he had to do allot of tracking back and working out of different time frames and stuff.... much of it could have easily been missed.

[montag]

I agree, and I think they are having a hard time deprogramming people!

I think they must be thinking "Damn we screwed this one in a bit to tight!" :eek:
Lol..:D

[kingmonkey]

I don't really pay much attention to Tsarion and Maxwell and pay zero attention to astro-theology. I really like Tsarion's work on psychology and human nature but he's really just pulling pieces from psychologists and philosophers. Much of his work isn't actually his work.


Exactly. His psychology/human nature bits seem pretty good, then he cobbles a load of other stuff together with it, whether it fits/makes sense or not. It's like he's just made everything he can come up with fit his theories. It's the equivalent of cutting the corners off jigsaw pieces so they'll fit the holes in your picture. I think David Icke is guilty of this as well (sometimes).
While we're on the subject of Jesus etc., the mithra comparison is a load of crap as well. I'm not religious so it doesn't bother me too much, but I think it's unfair for people to quote these things to someone who does have these beliefs in an attempt to rip the rug from under them and undermine what they believe in when what they're telling them is quite possibly wrong.

P.S. The video is right in one thing for definite; stars don't move around the sky. There is no aligment of this star and that. It's impossible, the stars have been in the exact same places in the sky for thousands of years. The people who release these videos bank on the fact that the majority of the audience won't research their content themselves.

[supertzar]

I don't know about "motionless," but it's a fact that the sun appears to begin noticeably rising on Dec. 25th. So that part of the argument is bullshit.

[niftygifter]

i get a bad feeling about tsarion. always have.

Oh agree there:)
Angry Irishman full of doom and gloom.
Nifty:cool:

[kingmonkey]

One thing that's overlooked is nowhere in the bible is Jesus' birthday said to be the 25 of December. this was decided well after, probably by the romans (Constantine?) to associate the new "saviour" to their own previously held beliefs. So comparing all these other gods/goddesses to Jesus and equating them all to sun worship is itself a pointless thing to do.

I think the people behind zeitgeist have an agenda of their own. Like someone said earlier, probably to dismantle the old doctrines and bring in the new.

[thirdwave]

One thing that's overlooked is nowhere in the bible is Jesus' birthday said to be the 25 of December. this was decided well after, probably by the romans (Constantine?) to associate the new "saviour" to their own previously held beliefs. So comparing all these other gods/goddesses to Jesus and equating them all to sun worship is itself a pointless thing to do.

I think the people behind zeitgeist have an agenda of their own. Like someone said earlier, probably to dismantle the old doctrines and bring in the new.

mmm well the thing is... what else is there other than reference to the bible?

every christian celebrates the 25th of Dec as the BOC...

and if they do not then where is the birth of Jesus?

its all well saying that the 25th was put there (of course it was)... but why not debate all the other things that there put there...

the reason being as it WAS ALL put there.

[thirdwave]

Oh agree there:)
Angry Irishman full of doom and gloom.
Nifty:cool:

what part of him is doom and gloom out of interest?

[kingmonkey]

its all well saying that the 25th was put there (of course it was)... but why not debate all the other things that there put there...

the reason being as it WAS ALL put there.

Fair point, but making false comparisons and telling half truths isn't gonna open anyone's eyes to it.

[empyblessing]

Serbians don't celebrate christmas on the 25th dec.

[3stepsahead]

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Original-Sun-of-God&id=93709

Lots of info regarding the topic of sun worship in google


Sun cross - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the stunning part is that this symbol seemed to appear all over the place
as if it was a common knowledge 10 000 + years ago.

[thirdwave]

Fair point, but making false comparisons and telling half truths isn't gonna open anyone's eyes to it.

well sometimes people simply get things wrong... or go be earlier research that has been hidden which is also relevant..

If Chris white wants to debunk it then he should also discuss many of the facts that ARE real... but he does not... he ignores these....

Like I say I don't know enough about some of this stuff to really say who is right or wrong... but I know that even if there was some info that can be found that does give something some substance...if it was not in harmony with the story of Christianity..he would not talk about it.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/astrotheology.html

[thirdwave]

Serbians don't celebrate christmas on the 25th dec.

where do they get there birth date from then?

[empyblessing]

No clue. I just had a Serbian friend who didn't celebrate Christmas on the 25th. He said he celebrated Serbian Christmas.

[amethyst]

No clue. I just had a Serbian friend who didn't celebrate Christmas on the 25th. He said he celebrated Serbian Christmas.

I read somewhere that Christ's birthday was actually in September. It's said to be tied to the Hebrew feast Rosh Hoshanah....(I think there are 7 significant feasts)...Rosh Hoshanah falls in September usually.

The Romans (like everything else) decided to make Christ's birthday in December to fit with "their" calendar.

[paradox]

yeah there is also supposed to be mistakes in how shepard tend there flock by night they only do that in warm times. in dec it would be cold and all the animals would be indoors.

[dyer]

to the OP:
Pretty sure that all those researchers you list say not to take their word for it and resarch these things yourself...

[nowheretorun]

I read somewhere that Christ's birthday was actually in September. It's said to be tied to the Hebrew feast Rosh Hoshanah....(I think there are 7 significant feasts)...Rosh Hoshanah falls in September usually.

The Romans (like everything else) decided to make Christ's birthday in December to fit with "their" calendar.

mike heiser makes a strong case for (possibly) being september 11th

[montag]

mike heiser makes a strong case for (possibly) being september 11th
Yeah I've heard that too.

Do you have a link..?

[thirdwave]

But should the son of god and soul figure for Christianity kind of have well known birth date?

for example, if we don't know, or are very vague about his birth date, then why are people not suspicious about everything else? (or even that he even that he was even real?)

for example... what book, or what info do the people who found his birth date to be in September, what book did they get that from? and was it "Jesus" or someone else?

its seems for such an influential person there is so little we know about him... and most of it is taken from texts put forward by people who appear to have his birth date totally wrong.

I would also say that if the birth date is not the 25th of Dec, then that only highlights the point of DVDs like Zeitgeist even more so.

why is the bible even given the time of day?

[thirdwave]

I have conversed with over E mail and she is very confidend and adiment that Chris White has no idea what he is talking about and does not feel he has read any of her books to see where she is coming from.... she thinks he is a little ignorent about it all and pushes alot of disinfo....

here is a yahoo page with alot of links to her works..




Astrotheology of the Ancients/No Evidence for Jesus

Please see this excerpt from my book "Suns of God":

The Jesus Forgery: Josephus Untangled
http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm

And here's the excerpt on Pliny, Suetonius and Tacitus:

http://www.truthbeknown.com/pliny.htm

My book "Who Was Jesus?" goes into extensive analysis of the so-called
evidence for Jesus as well. There's a video on this page too:

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/whowasjesus.html

More videos here:

http://www.truthbeknown.com/videos.html

Astrotheology is the basis of every major religion dating back many
thousands of years, including not only that of Egypt but also the
Peruvian, which is quite overtly SUN WORSHIP. Only those who know
nothing about the subject would call it a "lie."

The excellent photo book "The Sun" by Madanjeet Singh provides many
artifacts demonstrating this astrotheology from ancient times to the
present worldwide. The Indian religions are also highly
astrotheological, as evidenced by their numerous temples to the sun,
as were the cultures of Central America. Temples to the sun and moon
abound in the Mayan and Aztec cultures, for example. To pronounce
astrotheology a "lie" constitutes an egregious error firmly rooted in
profound and serious ignorance of the world's cultures and history
over the past 30,000 years at least.

Here's another excerpt from "Suns of God" - a 600-page book
demonstrating the astrotheology of cultures from around the globe for
millennia. My critics are quite ignorant of the subject and have not
read my works. Hence, they are singularly unqualified to be making
any kind of pronouncements thereto. Derogatory and disparaging
remarks based on utter ignorance is a sign of a very poor intellect.

The Astrotheology of the Ancients
http://www.truthbeknown.com/astrotheology.html

My forthcoming work "Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection" not
only demolishes the silly and shallow "Zeitgeist Debunkings" but also
demonstrates quite thoroughly the profound astrotheology of the
Egyptian religion as well.

--- In superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com, "James V" <sendme105@...>
wrote:
>
> The Josephus passage is a forgery.
>
> JOSEPHUS ON THE ROCKS <http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/supp16.htm>
>
> http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/supp16.htm
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:16 PM, guythomas34 <guythomas34@...> wrote:
>
> > I live in an office with a person who has a PHD in history and
> > theology. I ask him, whats the historical document proof that Jesus
> > lived. He says the writings of Josephus which were written before 100
> > AD. The whole Astrotheology is based on the a lot of things but if
> > anyone of them isn't true it falls apart.
> > This explains it well:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmUGPbNkFeU
> >
> > --- In
superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com<superconsciousness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "freethinkaluva"
> >
> > <freethinkaluva@> wrote:
> > >
> > > guy, astrotheology is *NOT* a lie so what does that make you?
> > >
> > > Astrotheology:
> > >
> > > "Theology founded on observation or knowledge of the celestial
bodies"
> > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/astrotheology
> > >
> > > Astrotheology has been demonstrated by the works of early Christian
> > > texts, the Earliest church fathers and the bible itself. Along with
> > > many others like Philo, Macrobius, Siculus and many others.
> > >
> > > The concept of the Magi (astrologers) following a star was created
> > > long before the supposed birth of Jesus as demonstrated by Egyptian,
> > > Indian and other ancient religions.
> > >
> > > Yet, after 2,000 years Christians can't provide any evidence
that can
> > > stand up to peer review and scientific scrutiny demonstrating Jesus
> > > ever lived.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, the sun, moon, stars, constellations etc are all things
> > > that *DO* exist even today. Jesus does not.
> > >
> > > So, where's the lie?
> > >
> > > ;
> > >
> > > --- In
superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com<superconsciousness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "guythomas34"
> > > <guythomas34@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If astro-theology is a lie, what does that make Acharya S?
> > > > So many of these anti-republic legislations, crimes and
propaganda are
> > > > written/produced/executed by jews. Theres an unnatural % of
jewness
> > > > involved in evil in the US. So secret jew is a good bet...
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>




http://groups.yahoo.com/group/superconsciousness/message/41784
http://www.truthbeknown.com/astrotheology.html


This is what I have always felt with much of these debunkers... they just cherry pick little things a debunk them but with out really going into the work of the people... IE taking the info from their books and debunking them through counter evidence.... they simply rely on the ignorance that's already in place, and look to re enforced it... whether this be because they them selves are Freemasons or that they are just compleatly drunk on religion and cant sober up.. who knows.

She is anticipating a big challenge dealing with these people when her forth coming book Christ in Egypt comes out!.

[montag]

I have conversed with over E mail and she is very confidend and adiment that Chris White has no idea what he is talking about
His claim that Jordan Maxwell invented the term Astrotheology is rubbish thats for sure, I have many lectures given in the sixties by Manly P Hall where he talks extensively about Astrotheology and I'm sure the term goes back much further than that...

[montag]

This was written in the 1920's;

CHRISTIANITY AND THE SUN

For reasons which they doubtless considered sufficient, those who chronicled the life and
acts of Jesus found it advisable to metamorphose him into a solar deity. The historical
Jesus was forgotten; nearly all the salient incidents recorded in the four Gospels have
their correlations in the movements, phases, or functions of the heavenly bodies.
Among other allegories borrowed by Christianity from pagan antiquity is the story of the
beautiful, blue-eyed Sun God, with His golden hair falling upon His shoulders, robed
from head to foot in spotless white and carrying in His arms the Lamb of God, symbolic
of the vernal equinox. This handsome youth is a composite of Apollo, Osiris, Orpheus,
Mithras, and Bacchus, for He has certain characteristics in common with each of these
pagan deities.
The philosophers of Greece and Egypt divided the life of the sun during the year into four
parts; therefore they symbolized the Solar Man by four different figures. When He was
born in the winter solstice, the Sun God was symbolized as a dependent infant who in
some mysterious manner had managed to escape the Powers of Darkness seeking to
destroy Him while He was still in the cradle of winter. The sun, being weak at this season
of the year, had no golden rays (or locks of hair), but the survival of the light through the
darkness of winter was symbolized by one tiny hair which alone adorned the head of the
Celestial Child. (As the birth of the sun took place in Capricorn, it was often represented
as being suckled by a goat.)
At the vernal equinox, the sun had grown to be a beautiful youth. His golden hair hung in
ringlets on his shoulders and his light, as Schiller said, extended to all parts of infinity. At
the summer solstice, the sun became a strong man, heavily bearded, who, in the prime of
maturity, symbolized the fact that Nature at this period of the year is strongest and most
fecund. At the autumnal equinox, the sun was pictured as an aged man, shuffling along
with bended back and whitened locks into the oblivion of winter darkness. Thus, twelve
months were assigned to the sun as the length of its life. During this period it circled the
twelve signs of the zodiac in a magnificent triumphal march. When fall came, it entered,
like Samson, into the house of Delilah (Virgo), where its rays were cut off and it lost its
strength. In Masonry, the cruel winter months are symbolized by three murderers who
sought to destroy the God of Light and Truth.
The coming of the sun was hailed with joy; the time of its departure was viewed as a
period to be set aside for sorrow and unhappiness. This glorious, radiant orb of day, the
true light "which lighteth every man who cometh into the world," the supreme
benefactor, who raised all things from the dead, who fed the hungry multitudes, who
stilled the tempest, who after dying rose again and restored all things to life--this
Supreme Spirit of humanitarianism and philanthropy is known to Christendom as Christ,
the Redeemer of worlds, the Only Begotten of The Father, the Word made Flesh, and the
Hope of Glory.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=FDSab8rWZScC&dq=secret+teachings+all+ages&pg=PP1&ots=lYhjP8639J&sig=BXy8DxUIRQ6ZvFF3La3ZUruABis&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

[montag]

Manly P Hall - Astrotheology Lecture in Five Parts
http://www.manlyphall.org/audio/astrotheology-2/

[Mo0n5tar]

This vid was fighting disinfo with disinfo, that Zeitgeist film is very shoddy there are many flaws but it is just a reproduction of the works of Jordan Maxwell, but you could tell this guy had an agenda.

Personally I do notice the significance of Astro Theology but tend to read about the work of Graham Hancock on the civilisations who seeded this knowledge.

[thirdwave]

Manly P Hall - Astrotheology Lecture in Five Parts
http://www.manlyphall.org/audio/astrotheology-2/

cheers, will check this out over weekend...

I don't know enough about all this to really have a proper judgement... but so far the debunk attempts have been more focused on defending Christianity other than actually exposing disinfo... and It cant be easy to discover allot of this info as its not been made easy..

[lizzy]

Manly P Hall - Astrotheology Lecture in Five Parts
http://www.manlyphall.org/audio/astrotheology-2/

hi montag:)

Thankyou for this post. Since you posted it about 24hrs or so ago I have been totally absorbed.;)

[montag]

hi montag:)

Thankyou for this post. Since you posted it about 24hrs or so ago I have been totally absorbed.;)
It's good stuff isn't it Lizzy? Although it's mystery school/masonic belief it is still interesting and enlightening to know what it is they do believe..;)

[lizzy]

It's good stuff isn't it Lizzy? Although it's mystery school/masonic belief it is still interesting and enlightening to know what it is they do believe..;)

Really montag, that's the truth.......culture creation started early didn't it:D

Could have come along 10mins after the original astro-theology 25,000 yrs ago perhaps?:eek:LOL.

So sad the destiny of our divinity is in such perverted hands , ( hopefully just for the time being)

ps, thanks for helping.

[romas]

Details details, if you can't do you own research all this is going to be is more "theory" and spending to much time on it is trivial.

[klin]

about the sun being motion less for three days... you have it wrong I believe...
Not sure of the dates, but for 3 days following the solstice, at the same time on each of these days, the sun will appear at the same position, around the 25th.
Orion's belt show where the sun will rise in the east.

I may be wrong, I like Zeitgeist. :D

[romas]

Btw the title is wrong, astro-theology is not bullshit. I'd expect a religious extremist say something like that...

[element]

Btw the title is wrong, astro-theology is not bullshit. I'd expect a religious extremist say something like that...

That's funny because most religions have tons of astrology in their scripture too!! But they don't want to know!

[razed1]

i listened to this "cage match" that this c.white guy had with i thin revere radio host

this white guy is so ignorant to any research, so closeminded to look at the stuff that those researchers are talking about

its like he has some wierd feedback loop in his brain where he justifies whatever he wants all in his head, his argument doenst make any sense at all


and my conclusion is this c.white has some ppl behind him funding him or something, to cause confusion and mislead possible truthseekers who are just entering this area of nwo research


jusst think about this,


he attacked mtsar, around the time his irish origins book was coming out,

he then attacked zeitgesit movie, calling jmaxwell, mtsar, acharya s., even alan watt, lumping them all into the same genre of research, which clearly shows that he hasnt bothered to read one book of theirs, or any that they reccomend

and here is what is the clincher, this guy has another website dedicated to 'debunking' zeitgeist,,, calling take zeitgesit challenge or something


so one has to wonder, where is this guy getting all his funding for all this, which normal person, would dedicate multiple websites to counter ppl's research, when it is clear from listening to his guy, that he doesnt know anything hes talking about regarding this field of study,


this guy is a clear shill imo, either that or he seriously believes what hes spewing, and if thats the case, then you have mentally challenged person who needs some real help explainig this astro-theology subject for him

[lizzy]

And in my opinion, your opinion is quite perceptive and astute Montag.:D

I tend to agree. The babylonian brotherhood of that time used Christ's message and teaching to promote their own agenda- something that their present day offspring (of the babylonian brotherhood), are still doing.

Taking something that was originally good, and useing it for their own twisted purposes.

And it is very closely aligned to what has been written in the scriptural texts. It would have to be or else it wouldn't fool a lot of people into buying into the false.

But genuine truthseekers and people who really love and want the real truth will go beyond the surface and read between the lines to get at the real meaning.

Sometimes the real truth is the most obvious, and therefore the most overlooked- cuz it's so simple.

I agree with you amethyst :)

It really does seem to me too that the real Truth is indeed fairly simple.

The guardians / preists / brotherhood tried to create a 'secret code" of bullshit, which is really just control through culture creation manipulation.

The secret societies and the brotherhood are basically just a bunch of con men .

Manly P. Hall , did much of the original research that is use today by many of whom we here are familiar.

...in remote times , when man first watched his flocks by night....( not that knowledge may have been lost and found over many thousands of years......

Please listen to The Solar Christmas , Parts 1 and 2.

http://www.manlyphall.org/audio/astrotheology-2/

I did start a thread for Manly P. Hall's website......meet one of our very first debunkers!!!!!;)

Thankyou all so much , lizzy :)

[lizzy]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29942

[beldazar]

I dont think that astro-theology is bullshit but I think jesuses b/day was altered to give power to the rising sun on the 25th. Mayans were said to carry out sacrifice to keep the sun burning, :(

I heard the cosmicmind mention that jesus was supposed to be born on 11th sept, funny that.....9:11!! (or 11/9 in england)

I know this bit fits in the religion part but some of the things that jesus said seem to make sense.
It appears to me that anyone 'rolling in it. has made some kind of a deal with the dark side, hence masonic symbolisms and hand gestures shown by the rich and famous, and isnt a top saying, 'its easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle....blah, blah, etc. sounds about right :eek:

[dark86]

read 'the secret teachings of all ages' by Manly P Hall and then get back to me and say "astro=theology" is bullshit.....because it certainly is not.

[lizzy]

read 'the secret teachings of all ages' by Manly P Hall and then get back to me and say "astro=theology" is bullshit.....because it certainly is not.

Yes, dark86, ;)

it's the Truth without the NA / Occult , culture creation crap.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29942

[thirdwave]

looks like tsarion are running scared, and is proving he has "no where to run" ! :)

https://originsandoraclescatalog.orderport.net/22226469/productpage.asp?title=Astro-Theology