WAR with IRAN imminent.

[tintin]

Folks, there are a lot of people
telling us these things but it's always difficult
to know if they are disinformers or not.

So best is to listen carefully to THE SYMBOLIC FACTS.

http://www.korea.net/cheditor40_asp/cheditor/attach/200712281752451179.jpg

The SEOUL Stock market
closed today at
1.666.46

These NUMBERS are no COINCIDENCE.
They are FAR MORE RELIABLE than opinions from
paid disinformers and this is a HUGE MESSAGE.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Teheran_Ave_night.jpg

TEHERAN Road
Heart of Seoul.

This is from WIKI.
And here another STOCK MARKET LINK.

The user who posted this is

APPLEBEE

WALL STREET and the BIG APPLE.
The BEE stands for the BIG STING that I have posted
about in the NEWS thread.

Here is what makes it extra interesting.

The name TEHERAN Road came
after a visit by the MAYOR of
TEHERAN to KOREA.

http://www.asiantribune.com/files/images/President%20Mahmoud%20Ahmadinejad.img_assist_custo m.jpg

Ahmadinejad is a former
MAYOR of TEHERAN

The TEHERAN road is in an area called TEHERAN VALLEY
because of the business comparison to SILICON VALLEY.

The OIL price is NOT ONLY RISING because
of SUPPLY and DEMAND but also because of the danger of
the STRAIT of HORMUZ and the PERSIAN GULF being shut down.
If that happens, it will be the end of the WESTERN
SYSTEM as we know it.

And remember that ISRAEL is 60 years this year.
And the 6 MILLION number tells you about the importance
of the number 6 to ISRAEL and their "mortal" enemy IRAN.

[marpat]

FFS you need to get out more

[amerigirl]

So now it's a matter of WHEN?
When do you think?

[tintin]

FFS you need to get out more

I just read that you think a WAR WITH IRAN
is not VIABLE.

BASED on what?

Your own personal intelligence?
The OIL price tells a different story
and that is more TRUSTWORTHY that your
intelligence system.

If you think they are playing GAMES with
those 666 numbers than you'r WRONG.

But continue to believe there will be NO WAR with IRAN.

[niftygifter]

Why is everyone trying to manifest this war instead of thinking POSITIVELY it isnt going to happen:mad:

Nifty:cool:

[tintin]

So now it's a matter of WHEN?
When do you think?

Based on the COLLAPSING BANKING SYSTEM
it must be very close. Always handy to
divert attention and blame it on WAR.....

[tintin]

Why is everyone trying to manifest this war instead of thinking POSITIVELY it isnt going to happen:mad:

Nifty:cool:

If that would be the TRICK
it would have been done long time ago.

YOU make think POSITIVE but BOMBS don't think at all.
(And BUSH isn't thinking either, just following orders.)

[matthew84]

i think with the dollar tanking and the oil price rising we are seeing oil operating as a currency. we're not far away from seeing the price of oil being denominated in Euros.

when that happens, Iran will be attacked.

the military build up tells us all we need to know.

look at the dow and the ftse today

[howie]

Indo-Asian News Service
Wednesday, June 25, 2008 (London)
Indian-origin author Salman Rushdie received a knighthood for services to literature from Britain's Queen Elizabeth II on Wednesday, saying he was proud of the honour and had ''no regrets'' over the controversy sparked by his work.

Sir Salman, as the Anglo-Indian writer will now be known, said the knighthood was in recognition ''not for any specific book but for a very long career in writing and I'm happy to see it recognized''.

Rushdie, 61, enraged opinion in the Muslim world with his 1988 novel ''The Satanic Verses'', which was considered blasphemous against Islam by Iran and made him the subject of a fatwa of death sentence by the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

Announcement of the British honour for Rushdie a year ago sparked worldwide protests in Muslim countries and caused considerable diplomatic tension between Britain and Pakistan.

The terror network Al Qaeda, in a chilling website audiotape, called the knighthood an ''insult to Islam'' and threatened a ''very precise response'' against Britain.

The British government of Gordon Brown said ''sorry'' if the award had caused offence, but refused a demand by the Pakistan government to withdraw the honour.

The decision to honour the author was taken by Tony Blair, Brown's predecessor as prime minister. There were also protests in Iran, Malaysia and other parts of the Muslim world.

After imposition of the fatwa in February, 1989, Rushdie was forced into hiding and moved 30 times in an attempt to keep his whereabouts secret.

Over the last 10 years, he has returned to public life, living in London and New York.

Speaking after the ceremony Wednesday, and displaying his knighthood medal, he said: ''I'm very proud, very happy.''

''It's been a long time - my first novel was published 33 years ago but I think the thing you hope to do as a writer is leave behind a shelf of interesting books and it's great just to have that work recognized.''

Asked about the controversy surrounding his knighthood, he said: ''At this stage, you know, it's certainly not a day to talk about controversy, it's a day for myself and my family to celebrate this.''

Asked if, with hindsight, he had any doubts about writing The Satanic Verses, Rushdie said: ''I really have no regrets about any of my work.''

''If you're lucky enough to have one book that gets into people's consciousness in that way then it's fortunate,'' said Rushdie.

''The fact that that book, 27 years after it was published, it still interesting to people, I'm very proud of that,'' he added.

But Rushdie said he was really ''more interested'' in his recent work. He would write another children's book next.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080054479&ch=6/25/2008%2011:52:00%20PM

[kallista]

Thanks for the warning Tintin and to the excellent work you and Verasusa have done over the years.

[soulja]

the military build up tells us all we need to know.



agreed.. the signs for war with iran are all over the place. i think they'll use israel to kick it off because american public opinion is against a war so they prolly want to avoid being the initial aggressor this time around.
it's always easier to sell the ''helping an ally'' cause.


Israeli Official: Massive air exercise was "dress rehearsal" for Iran raid

Israel carried out a major air exercise earlier this month that American officials say appeared to be a rehearsal for a potential bombing attack on Iran's nuclear facilities, the New York Times reported. The officials said the drill was intended to test the air force's capacity to carry out a long-range strike and also to send a message about the seriousness with which Israel regards Iran's nuclear program.

More than 100 Israeli F-16 and F-15 fighters participated in the maneuvers over the eastern Mediterranean and Greece during the first week of June, American officials said.

The exercise also included the use of Israeli helicopters that could be used to rescue downed pilots and refueling tankers. The sortie involved flights of more than 900 miles (1500 kilometers), approximately the distance between Israel and Iran's uranium enrichment plant at Natanz, American officials said.

Israeli officials initially declined to discuss the details of the exercise on the record. A spokesman for the Israeli military would say only that the country's air force "regularly trains for various missions in order to confront and meet the challenges posed by the threats facing Israel." Israeli media are not allowed to published reports on military operations except to cite foreign reports.

But Saturday night, YnetNews, the website of Israeli's leading daily Yediot Aharonot, published the following anonymous quote from an Israeli "political official": "The Iranians should read the writing on the wall. This was a dress rehearsal, and the Iranians should read the script before they continue with their program for nuclear weapons," the source said. "If diplomacy does not yield results, Israel will take military steps to halt Teheran?s production of bomb-grade uranium."

But the scope of the Israeli exercise guaranteed that it would be noticed by American and other foreign intelligence agencies. "They wanted us to know, they wanted the Europeans to know, and they wanted the Iranians to know," the Pentagon official said. "There's a lot of signaling going on at different levels."
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Security/12931.htm

the rethoric used is excately the same as in the iraq war buildup ''if diplomacy does fail we'll have a war'' blah blah.. it's a done deal.
they have their puppets on both sides and they'll make sure that the next step on the agenda will be initiated.

[matthew84]

i agree kallista, I love all the right-brained vision that comes from tintin, I'm just not any good at doing it myself, but i think it is totally valuable.

i like the pictoral aspect to it all; thanks tintin

[h2pogo]

this must be stopped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8e9yMfMF3g&feature=email

[tintin]

Thanks for the warning Tintin and to the excellent work you and Verasusa have done over the years.

Thanks Kallista and Matthew 84, and thanks Howie, H2pogo
and Soulja (master in symbolism)
for the decent input.

I know beforehand I will get ridiculed almost immediately,
that's how conspiracyland works.
So thank god there are some free thinkers here as well.

Who needs a BIG BROTHER society if your fellow
citizens do the dirty work for them.

Anyway, here some more about IRAN and KOREA.

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200704/r139143_476423.jpg

BUSHER power plant Iran

The war is about NUCLEAR energy.
And a power plant is called BUSHER.

Since they all are part of the game, I don't believe
this to be a coincidence.

http://www.tangischools.org/schools/phs/think/man/tibbets.jpg

Number 82

I really cannot understand al those folks that
DISMISS these numbers as IRRELEVANT.
Why do you think this has the NUMBER 82
and why do you think it's called the ENOLA GAY?

There are REASONS for that just like TEHERAN ROAD
in the middle of SEOUL looks strange to me.

http://www.travelguide2southkorea.com/i1_Korea_South-CIA_WFB_Map_s.png

Calling Code
South Korea: 82

http://www.irangoals.com/images/roudbarian.jpg

Goalkeeper Iran national team
Born 6 july. Same as Bush.
"Saviour" of IRAN.....

All these little details are part of the act.

[tintin]

Just today we had
a YIN YANG story in
SHANGHAI CHINA

http://thegazz.com/gblogs/beerstoyou/files/2007/11/yin-yang.jpg

Someone called YANG shot
five policeman in SHANGHAI
and a guy called YI
was witness.

See the NEWS thread.

Have posted about it. SHANGHAI means a FINSH in DARTS.
The POLICE means THE STING. Victims were all POLICEMEN.
GORDON SUMNER is STING. (we could have a BLACK SUMMER)

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/asia/southkorea/flag/Flagbig.GIF

South Korea is the only
country in the world with
this YIN YANG shape
in the flag.

[halftheworldaway]

Your posts are always terrific, tintin.

Here's a great piece by George Galloway in yesterday's Daily Record concerning Iran.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/comment/columnists/lifestyle-columnists/george-galloway/2008/06/30/i-m-off-to-iran-before-israel-bombs-it-86908-20626143/

[americana]

Folks, there are a lot of people
telling us these things but it's always difficult
to know if they are disinformers or not.

So best is to listen carefully to THE SYMBOLIC FACTS.

http://www.korea.net/cheditor40_asp/cheditor/attach/200712281752451179.jpg

The SEOUL Stock market
closed today at
1.666.46

These NUMBERS are no COINCIDENCE.
They are FAR MORE RELIABLE than opinions from
paid disinformers and this is a HUGE MESSAGE.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Teheran_Ave_night.jpg

TEHERAN Road
Heart of Seoul.

This is from WIKI.
And here another STOCK MARKET LINK.

The user who posted this is

APPLEBEE

WALL STREET and the BIG APPLE.
The BEE stands for the BIG STING that I have posted
about in the NEWS thread.

RAN.


My dear Tintin, as you are not American I will forgive you this time!

However, what about the APPLEBEE's RESTAURANT chain? http://www.applebees.com/

Home of the $1.99 dessert shooter! Sorry to be on such a low level of comprehension, but I must say that upon reading the name Applebee, I immediately think of their Grilled Shrimp 'N Spinach Salad . . . described lovingly on their website: "Tender spinach, crispy bacon, roasted red peppers, red onions, toasted almonds and hot bacon vinaigrette—all topped with succulent shrimp. Comes in half/full size."

Ahem!

And I believe it was on the Yahoo front page, or perhaps AOL, but another up-and-coming chain (and I'll be darned if I can recall the name) was dubbed the new Applebee's.


Admittedly, bees, always a highly symbolic insect, are all the buzz in the news here. They're disappearing . . . . . . I'm sure we're all feeling the sting of their demise.

Keep up the good work!

[planetsadhana]

there is a bit of a "calm before the storm" feeling in the air

[tintin]

Your posts are always terrific, tintin.

Here's a great piece by George Galloway in yesterday's Daily Record concerning Iran.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/comment/columnists/lifestyle-columnists/george-galloway/2008/06/30/i-m-off-to-iran-before-israel-bombs-it-86908-20626143/

Thanks Halftheworldaway,
much appreciated.

The war with IRAN.....

See, the thing is with this war in IRAN it is not JUST ANOTHER WAR.
It will mean the end.....

IRAN means the

APOCALYPSE

Personally, I don't think it can be stopped.
Like Soulja said, it's A DONE DEAL.

We, as a people, are waking up.
But TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE.

From now on we need to be PRAGMATIC and that means
SAVE YOURSELVES and try to be DECENT when things
get NASTY.

Times will be rough like they are already in most parts of
the world. It will be HELL pretty soon, and on the one
hand that will bring out the BEST in people but
I am not sure about the majority.

Not that I blame those people, but BRAINWASHING
has done a TREMENDOUS job and so I am not
very optimistic about the general population and
their behaviour in a REAL CRISIS.

[bill23]

you are willing this to happen, lets hope it doesnt.

[tintin]

My dear Tintin, as you are not American I will forgive you this time!

However, what about the APPLEBEE's RESTAURANT chain? http://www.applebees.com/

Home of the $1.99 dessert shooter! Sorry to be on such a low level of comprehension, but I must say that upon reading the name Applebee, I immediately think of their Grilled Shrimp 'N Spinach Salad . . . described lovingly on their website: "Tender spinach, crispy bacon, roasted red peppers, red onions, toasted almonds and hot bacon vinaigrette—all topped with succulent shrimp. Comes in half/full size."

Ahem!

And I believe it was on the Yahoo front page, or perhaps AOL, but another up-and-coming chain (and I'll be darned if I can recall the name) was dubbed the new Applebee's.


Admittedly, bees, always a highly symbolic insect, are all the buzz in the news here. They're disappearing . . . . . . I'm sure we're all feeling the sting of their demise.

Keep up the good work!

Ah thanks, think that can be very helpfull.
Everything can have multiple meanings. Once
you are limiting yourselves the ILLUMIES have you
prisoned. The only thing they are AFRAID of is FREE THINKING.
That's why POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is their MAIN WAR instrument.
The real TERROR weapon. (And FEAR WEAPON).
So my APPLE and BEE observation can still be usefull.

Real WARRIORS are no problem at all for them .
They KILL THEM. Weapons will never beat them.

But the SPIRIT is what will do the trick.

So will look into that APPLEBEE thing.....
APPLEBEE and KOREA. Mmmm

WIKI is ONE BIG GIANT CODE, so that APPLEBEE USER
and TEHERAN probably is pretty important. Will look into it.
(can't figure it out today, had some HORRIBLE wine, bad
for my research....)

[tintin]

you are willing this to happen, lets hope it doesnt.

Willing this to happen?

I am WILLING THIS
TO HAPPEN BY TELLING PEOPLE
THEY ARE PLANNING THIS
TO HAPPEN. NEXT THING YOU
ARE GOING TO TELL ME THAT
I HAVE TO THINK POSITIVE and
to SHUT UP ABOUT ALL
THE FACTS.....

[niftygifter]

What facts tintin, please show me a list of your predictions that have actually manifested correctly. I am most interested.
I say this with open mind because I cant be arsed looking through all your posts.

Nifty:cool:

[americana]

I am always happy to read your posts, Tintin, even if as an American our "headline" news, items about celebs and fashionistas, and frame of reference can sometimes differ. (Here I speak of your infamous "News behind the news" thread.)

I always applaud the search for meaning and the finding of deeper meaning and symbolism. . . .

In any case, this bit about Teheran Road seems key! Kudos to you on that point!

I tried to do a bit of research, but am feeling a bit of a crash myself (too much Beijing Olympics Coca-Cola, not enough protein!) So I didn't find any "official" info on the street, except it seems rather POSH! But I did discover the following:

Here's a Soccer fan forum:
//http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/printthread.php?t=27518&pp=40

Here goes with an interesting piece of information from a member named Dr. Oracle:

Dr.Oracle 02-28-2005 12:58 PM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re: Tehran one of the worlds major citys.!! enjoy

To karimi_nr1

OK, I have one question here.

I'm not sure you know this, actually there are some road which called
"Teheran road" in Seoul.

In 1977, the Mayor of Teheran visited Seoul, so they made a road
for their friendship between Seoul & Teheran.

It's called Teheran road. I heard there are also exist "Seoul road"
in Teheran,but I'm not sure. Just I heard like this.

It is just old story,so I'm not sure.
So is it true? Is there road which called "Seoul Road" in Teheran?

(The context is discussion of a game to be played with the Japanese in Teheran Stadium.)

I think this does need further research!

The famed "Axis of Evil" as Bush would have it!

[mauimamma]

you are willing this to happen, lets hope it doesnt.

You are implying that tintin has THAT much power. That's bold. I personally think there is a power greater than all of us that is at work here, and blaming each other is not going to help things.

[empyblessing]

You are correct in assuming that a war with Iran will not be 'just another war.' It will be the overt beginning of a new world war. Russia has publicly stated that it will defend its oil refineries located in Iran as it has billions invested into them.

Scott Riter has summed up a large portion of what will take place. He wrote a book called "Target Iran," which I'd suggest those who are interested in the subject to read.

Basically, aggression against Iran will unite the Middle East with China and Russia, mostly through economic means. The United States will be viewed as a monster, unleashing unprovoked aggression against innocent countries which will need to be stopped. Much like the Nazis were viewed after they began to attack and occupy countries.

There is certainly an element within Israel and the United States which desperately wants this war to take place. However, there is a lot of resistance to this and the economic implausibility of it due to the United States being all but bankrupt and simply unable to pay for it. Another event though is the current naval blockade of Iran in the straight of Hormuz. This is no doubt to incite a violent response from Iranian forces in order for Israel and the United States to justify its new war.

Please note that the US navy 5th fleet was launched IN APRIL to the Persian Gulf area. The blockade resolution needs to pass or fail in congress. It is quickly gaining support. Then what's left is really in the hands of Iran.

[tintin]

What facts tintin, please show me a list of your predictions that have actually manifested correctly. I am most interested.
I say this with open mind because I cant be arsed looking through all your posts.

Nifty:cool:

Looking at your language nifty.
First learn some MANNERS before you ask stupid
questions.

Arsed?

I only USE FACTS THEY tell me, stupid IDIOT.
I am not in the business of PREDICTING things.
It may look like that sometimes, but I am not.

I see a BLATANT 666 and I see THEHERAN.
So this is what I am doing.
I immediately try to EXPOSE IT.
At the MOMEMT I SAW it, I EXPOSED it.
This WAR with IRAN is the END for MANKIND
It MEANS the END for all you YOUR RIDICULOUS POSTS
as well IDIOT!!!

I am not interested in MY EGO.

I am SICK of the GANGSTERS
that RULE THIS WORLD.
That's why I am posting here.

If I wanted FUN and PRAISE, I wouldn't go trough
all this RIDICULE that I HAVE HAD SINCE MY BLOODY SCHOOL DAYS.

And only because I was good in sports I had limited
problems. And that's how the system works.
MOB mentality.
One thing I have always hated is JUST THAT.

[pri01]

Thanks Halftheworldaway,
much appreciated.

The war with IRAN.....

See, the thing is with this war in IRAN it is not JUST ANOTHER WAR.
It will mean the end.....

IRAN means the

APOCALYPSE

Personally, I don't think it can be stopped.
Like Soulja said, it's A DONE DEAL.

We, as a people, are waking up.
But TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE.

From now on we need to be PRAGMATIC and that means
SAVE YOURSELVES and try to be DECENT when things
get NASTY.

Times will be rough like they are already in most parts of
the world. It will be HELL pretty soon, and on the one
hand that will bring out the BEST in people but
I am not sure about the majority.

Not that I blame those people, but BRAINWASHING
has done a TREMENDOUS job and so I am not
very optimistic about the general population and
their behaviour in a REAL CRISIS.


Thanks Tintin, I would almost agree with you about it soon becoming hell and say that it's been hell for a lot of people for centuries. I think it will become unbearable for those people that have an income as such, food on the table and a little to spend on the odd treat to make life liveable. For those with more expendable income, maybe even the odd millionaire or two, life will end as they know it I think. I would like to share the details of a dream I had last night.

I woke up with my family to find, no electric, water or gas supply available. No phones working, land lines or mobiles. No TV, Shops Supermarkets etc. stripped of their shelves. Gangs of thugs bargeing into homes shooting stabbing and rapeing whoever. There were no visible figures of authority to turn to and no way of contacting any as a result of communication breakdown. My dream was absolutely real and now feels like it is a nightmare waiting to start. The economy cannot go on up and up the way it is. The very nature of business and the way it attempts to grab as much as quickly as possible says it all. It is going to end.

[soulja]

We, as a people, are waking up.
But TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE.

From now on we need to be PRAGMATIC and that means
SAVE YOURSELVES and try to be DECENT when things
get NASTY.

Times will be rough like they are already in most parts of
the world. It will be HELL pretty soon, and on the one
hand that will bring out the BEST in people but
I am not sure about the majority.

Not that I blame those people, but BRAINWASHING
has done a TREMENDOUS job and so I am not
very optimistic about the general population and
their behaviour in a REAL CRISIS.


yea that's pretty much how i see it aswell. maybe not that optimistic about the best in people.
i mean don't get me wrong i believe humans are inherently good but the conditions will be that bad that we'll see neighbours killing each other for food and stuff like that. it will be pure survival, no food, clean water, electricity, bombed cities, diseases, gangs running loose in the streets.

the elite will hit us with everything they have, complete chaos worldwide that will make ww2 look like a birthday party. and after a few years of humans going through all that madness and suffering they will be so mentally and physikly exhausted to beg for someone to restore order, give the comfort back like food, water etc.. they will accept everything, world government ? sure! but make it stop and gimme something to eat.

this will happen everywhere, europe is no exception like emptyblessing said iran will be the trigger to eventually bring russia and china into the game. china will give an already weakend america the rest while russia will fight it out with NATO forces all over europe. we'll also see some nukes go off to show the horrors of it and justifiy the new autorithy being the only force in the world allowed weapons. no need to say the money system will be long gone by then..

this was all planned years ago it's just now that it becomes more obvious by the day..

[niftygifter]

I only USE FACTS THEY tell me.

So once again, please show me a list of your predictions that have actually manifested correctly. I am most interested.

ROFLMAO:D:D

Nifty:D

[soulja]

Willing this to happen?

I am WILLING THIS
TO HAPPEN BY TELLING PEOPLE
THEY ARE PLANNING THIS
TO HAPPEN. NEXT THING YOU
ARE GOING TO TELL ME THAT
I HAVE TO THINK POSITIVE and
to SHUT UP ABOUT ALL
THE FACTS.....

almost, what he really wanted to say can be sum'd up in one pic.

http://periopeak.com/dasblog/content/binary/head%20in%20the%20sand.bmp

logic, facts, observation skills, research = bad..

wishfull thinking, delusions and reverse psychological garbage dressed as spirituality = good

i see you're no quiet acquainted with the new religion tintin, you should quick run down the highstreet and get tolle's new book and don't forget ''the secret'' and ''Law of attraction'' by esther hicks. if the highstreet is too crowed for your liking then just order them through Oprah's books shop.

or you join the rosicrucians they teach the same.. ;)

[niftygifter]

You are implying that tintin has THAT much power. That's bold. I personally think there is a power greater than all of us that is at work here, and blaming each other is not going to help things.

Powerful stuff;)

Nifty:cool:

[kblood]

Many wars have been started by trying to make it look like the other side attacked first. I think Iraq dressed up some of their own guys, then pretending to be... was it war against Iran back then? Some neighboring country anyway, and these guys then attacked something in Iraq and that was their excuse to declare war...

The US has done the same quite a few times. For the Iraq war, they failed miserably though, but the world didnt even care. Makes you wonder if all their effort at making it look like their wars are justified is even worth their effort?

So its hard to say what will happen really. Maybe the US or Israel will make it look like Iran strikes first, or maybe Israel will just attack Iran calling them a nuclear threat. They dont really need any evidence anyway. Who would try to stop them? And later the US would come help their ally.

They have numerous ways of playing this out. Would be nice if they could skip this war, but then they seem to already be quite far into it by now. For almost a year there have been news about how Iran is provocing the US and disrespecting their army. Sailing too close to the US fleet with speedboats and such. I guess the US didnt realise that they dont own the world, and the speedboats getting close to their fleet probably had more right to be there than the US had. Thats easy to contradict though, when making the rules and controlling the media.

As I wrote in another thread, Irans only real chance to avoid war, is actually by getting nuclear weapons. I dont see any other way for them to avoid the war, and the risk is of course giving good cause for war, but after they can claim to have nuclear capabilities, then they neither Israel or the US ought to want to attack them.

[diggers_1]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29608

Looks like it could be immienent. it seems this story is so obscure. IE not reported by the likes of sky news. To me this is real news and a real show of escalation on the Iranians part. To show they are realy ready. To say we have your gaves ready. Iran has Suicide Brigades I think I recall they had 40,000 people signed up to this to inflect damage on a country that would invade. They have something like 1,000,000 in there army they could fill the graves if given a opportunity.

[h2pogo]

Interesting theory , if correct war would seem imminent.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20210.htm

[mauimamma]

Powerful stuff;)

Nifty:cool:

Powerful stuff and quite simply, tintin is a messenger. Let's not SHOOT, please.

[tintin]

So once again, please show me a list of your predictions that have actually manifested correctly. I am most interested.

ROFLMAO:D:D

Nifty:D

OK Nifty I will try
to answer you. Am a bit drunk.

It's NOT AT ALL ABOUT PREDICTIONS.

THEY DO THE PREDICTIONS.
"THEY" ARE SHOWING SECRET CODES.

The only thing I do is try to DECODE IT.

THEY ARE KILLING US
AND THEY TELL US BEFOREHAND
HOW THEY WILL DO IT.

They have shown that with NINE ELEVEN.

AND THAT's WHAT I
TRY TO TELL YOU NIFTY
SO WHY ARE YOU
ATTACKING ME LIKE THIS?

[amethyst]

Folks, there are a lot of people
telling us these things but it's always difficult
to know if they are disinformers or not.

So best is to listen carefully to THE SYMBOLIC FACTS.

http://www.korea.net/cheditor40_asp/cheditor/attach/200712281752451179.jpg

The SEOUL Stock market
closed today at
1.666.46

These NUMBERS are no COINCIDENCE.
They are FAR MORE RELIABLE than opinions from
paid disinformers and this is a HUGE MESSAGE.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Teheran_Ave_night.jpg

TEHERAN Road
Heart of Seoul.

This is from WIKI.
And here another STOCK MARKET LINK.

The user who posted this is

APPLEBEE

WALL STREET and the BIG APPLE.
The BEE stands for the BIG STING that I have posted
about in the NEWS thread.

Here is what makes it extra interesting.

The name TEHERAN Road came
after a visit by the MAYOR of
TEHERAN to KOREA.

http://www.asiantribune.com/files/images/President%20Mahmoud%20Ahmadinejad.img_assist_custo m.jpg

Ahmadinejad is a former
MAYOR of TEHERAN

The TEHERAN road is in an area called TEHERAN VALLEY
because of the business comparison to SILICON VALLEY.

The OIL price is NOT ONLY RISING because
of SUPPLY and DEMAND but also because of the danger of
the STRAIT of HORMUZ and the PERSIAN GULF being shut down.
If that happens, it will be the end of the WESTERN
SYSTEM as we know it.

And remember that ISRAEL is 60 years this year.
And the 6 MILLION number tells you about the importance
of the number 6 to ISRAEL and their "mortal" enemy IRAN.

"The BEE stands for the BIG STING that I have posted
about in the NEWS thread."

Funny, I just posted about "bees" in your "news behind the news" thread......haven't had a chance to catch up reading it lately.

[empyblessing]

There are some who believe Iran already has nukes and/or can have access to them very easily through their dealings with Russia and that country "misplacing" many nuclear warheads.

It must appear as though Iran attacks first. Otherwise, there will be no justification. My thoughts are that one day I'll wake up and see images of the 5th fleet floating around the Persian Gulf in pieces. The PTB will make sure to have a lot of video footage of it with plenty of helicopters flying overhead. It will be emblazoned onto the psyche of the Western world through 24/7 repetition of it. Over and over and over. After the image of thousands of dead sailors floating in the ocean is impressed onto the people, there will be no more dissent.

[lightgiver]

almost, what he really wanted to say can be sum'd up in one pic.

http://periopeak.com/dasblog/content/binary/head%20in%20the%20sand.bmp

logic, facts, observation skills, research = bad..

wishfull thinking, delusions and reverse psychological garbage dressed as spirituality = good

i see you're no quiet acquainted with the new religion tintin, you should quick run down the highstreet and get tolle's new book and don't forget ''the secret'' and ''Law of attraction'' by esther hicks. if the highstreet is too crowed for your liking then just order them through Oprah's books shop.

or you join the rosicrucians they teach the same.. ;)

Yeah the masses suffer from what you call a fatal mental illness,which is termed as,

OSTRICHOSOSIS;):D:D,

You keep going tintin,and let the loonys who cannot see what is going on to perish in the ignorance of their deluded thoughts,
i am sure someone nice will help them out when the shit hits the fan:rolleyes:;)

[diggers_1]

There are some who believe Iran already has nukes and/or can have access to them very easily through their dealings with Russia and that country "misplacing" many nuclear warheads.

It must appear as though Iran attacks first. Otherwise, there will be no justification. My thoughts are that one day I'll wake up and see images of the 5th fleet floating around the Persian Gulf in pieces. The PTB will make sure to have a lot of video footage of it with plenty of helicopters flying overhead. It will be emblazoned onto the psyche of the Western world through 24/7 repetition of it. Over and over and over. After the image of thousands of dead sailors floating in the ocean is impressed onto the people, there will be no more dissent.

Iraq did not attack first it was demonised in the same way the masses wanted it

[empyblessing]

Iraq did not attack first it was demonised in the same way the masses wanted it

The US blamed Iraq for 9/11 and used that to justify their actions.

[lightgiver]

Also today a wagon crashed,somewhere in the usa and guess what it was carrying,

LOTS OF BEES:eek:;)

What are they doing transporting Bees,i mean their was a container full:confused:what's all that about,
you know Einstein's theory on the bee issue,

If you do not, look it up you will be surprised;)

[belial]

If there is a war on Iran then it will happen when it is deemed profitable.
The sick nature of governments is:

- Have we got enough weapons... check
- When we piss of their allies, have we got enough weapons to fight them too... check
- When we take heavy casualties, how do we convince the sheep/tax payer/war funders that we are "at war" and we are "in control"... check.

Funnily enough, I watched Lord Of War last night. "Buy six tanks get one free" was a classic line. However this is not a joke. Wars are very expensive in many ways. Think of them as a long term 'investment'... try telling that to a sheep.

If/when it does happen maybe we should start our own war on the media. These scum will portray the war for how they/the government concerned see fit. They are the people that scare/con/manipulate the populace into thinking what the government/their masters see's as fit.

Wish I had air clearance to bomb the BBC in Manchester/London with my Mi-24P Hind gunship... that would be a good start.

Peace.

[amethyst]

Also today a wagon crashed,somewhere in the usa and guess what it was carrying,

LOTS OF BEES:eek:;)

What are they doing transporting Bees,i mean their was a container full:confused:what's all that about,
you know Einstein's theory on the bee issue,

If you do not, look it up you will be surprised;)

Well that's the exact article I posted on in Tintin's "news behind the news" thread......not knowing Tintin's comments previously.

I thought it was significant for some reason. A little syncronicity I'd say. ;)

BTW, Nifty, if your head is always in the sand, you can't "wake up" and smell the coffee and really do something.. Your sentiments are misplaced. Don't shoot the messenger. He's not the enemy.

Tintin...he's just the "dot" connector :D

[empyblessing]

Einstein didn't say anything about bees. That quote was made up.

[amethyst]

Einstein didn't say anything about bees. That quote was made up.

You missed the point he was making.:rolleyes:

[empyblessing]

Who's he?

[amethyst]

Who's he?

lightgiver

[lightgiver]

Well that's the exact article I posted on in Tintin's "news behind the news" thread......not knowing Tintin's comments previously.

I thought it was significant for some reason. A little syncronicity I'd say. ;)

BTW, Nifty, if your head is always in the sand, you can't "wake up" and smell the coffee and really do something.. Your sentiments are misplaced. Don't shoot the messenger. He's not the enemy.

Tintin...he's just the "dot" connector :D

Syncronicity indeed:D,and i to had no idea someone posted that either;)
but i to think it is significant,and something is afoot;)as most of us well know;)

[lightgiver]

Einstein didn't say anything about bees. That quote was made up.

How do you know the quote was made up:confused:

funny thing is i heard it mentioned only the other week on a nature programme;)

Synchronistic would you not think,i would like you to show me that, the quote was made up,and then i will humbly apologize;)

[amethyst]

Syncronicity indeed:D,and i to had no idea someone posted that either;)
but i to think it is significant,and something is afoot;)as most of us well know;)

Yeah, the one's that "know", are the one's who don't put their heads in the sand.......or ignore the white elephant in the room ;)

[lightgiver]

I have just checked the bee theory,why i do not know because i already knew it was fact;)

and it turns out to be fact,no bees 4 yrs to go;):D Even if there are no facts only interpretations.

check it out on the david byrne page;):D

i am sure empy should be empty:rolleyes:;)

No more bees,
No more pollination,
No more plants,
No more animals,
No more man. Quote, Albert Einstein.

sorry for going off thread a little,but i just think this all fits in with the New World Order Master plan,getting rid of us all,so the elites can have the planet for them selves,with a few worker bee(metaphorically speaking)slaves working for them.

[empyblessing]

leave my fucking name alone. it's exactly as intended.

[duckingdafta]

I feel for tintin, this was a good thread until sabotaged by a bloody warner/pixie or whoever made the 'B-Movie' film..all these theories are from a kiddies film!.....i'm a bit pissed too:D

[lightgiver]

leave my fucking name alone. it's exactly as intended.

Why you getting angry:confused:
Isn't seriousness the only refuge of the shallow????

and dd why did indian say nothing at all,

was he the lizard king???

you all have a tendency for misinterpretation,who are you relating these so called theories to????

[empyblessing]

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/einstein/bees.asp

There are no mentions of the quote in The New Quotable Einstein . There is nothing in any of his works and no recordings of him saying it. The origins of the quote have been traced back to some german journal of entomology.

He didn't make any mention of bees. Einstein didn't say it.

[empyblessing]

Why you getting angry:confused:
Isn't seriousness the only refuge of the shallow????

and dd why did indian say nothing at all,

was he the lizard king???

I make exceptions in rare occasions because I CAN'T FUCKING STAND YOU!

[lightgiver]

I make exceptions in rare occasions because I CAN'T FUCKING STAND YOU!

You do not even know me,
judge not until you judge yourself:rolleyes:

just shows how empty you are and shallow:rolleyes:

no wonder this world is in a mess,with comments like that and trying to get this thread put in the rant room:rolleyes:

All roads lead to rome:eek:

Einstein made many quotes,and one web page proves jack,just because he was a physicist does not mean he could not discuss other subjects.
i could source other web pages to show you other wise but it is going off topic,and i would rather not discuss with such a judgemental person, as i was only joking in the empty sort of way.

But you are obviously to immature and serious to see it any other way but your own,so night Nietzsche night.

[empyblessing]

So, the Iran War. Why didn't they launch in spring after that general was fired? Most military operations begin in April. It is true that the navy launched during spring and it's only now becoming known.

It's perpetually predicted to be at some future date. I think a lot of it is fear mongering. The press loves to do nothing so much as make people afraid. The window of opportunity has passed time and again. It's much like the Cold War where everyone thought that at any time a million communists could storm into America to rape their daughters. Now it's terrorists. Now it's Iran with a nuclear bomb. It's always Imminent. I've heard that it's imminent over a dozen times.

[malkor]

It's always Imminent. I've heard that it's imminent over a dozen times.

There is always an enemy.

The book is better, by here you go:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[lizzy]

NO WAR IN IRAN SAY WARMONGERING WARMONGERS - YouTube

[kallista]

almost, what he really wanted to say can be sum'd up in one pic.

http://periopeak.com/dasblog/content/binary/head%20in%20the%20sand.bmp

logic, facts, observation skills, research = bad..

wishfull thinking, delusions and reverse psychological garbage dressed as spirituality = good

i see you're no quiet acquainted with the new religion tintin, you should quick run down the highstreet and get tolle's new book and don't forget ''the secret'' and ''Law of attraction'' by esther hicks. if the highstreet is too crowed for your liking then just order them through Oprah's books shop.

or you join the rosicrucians they teach the same.. ;)

Or become a powerful cabbalist like some members here, you need to have read a Crowley book, Moonchild will do it's the easiest, have a wank, get whatever you want! Don't worry Tintin there is no good and evil. It's all an illusion.

[niftygifter]

OK Nifty I will try
to answer you. Am a bit drunk.

It's NOT AT ALL ABOUT PREDICTIONS.

THEY DO THE PREDICTIONS.
"THEY" ARE SHOWING SECRET CODES.

The only thing I do is try to DECODE IT.

THEY ARE KILLING US
AND THEY TELL US BEFOREHAND
HOW THEY WILL DO IT.

They have shown that with NINE ELEVEN.

AND THAT's WHAT I
TRY TO TELL YOU NIFTY
SO WHY ARE YOU
ATTACKING ME LIKE THIS?

I'm not attacking you.
Read my POST.
I asked you to provide proof ;)
I simply said that I cant be"arsed" looking through all the posts in your "News" thread, all 795.000 of them:eek:.
You took that as a direct insult and presumed that I was attacking you , I wasn't:rolleyes:

So does that clear things up then??

Chill

Nifty:cool:

[mauimamma]

*retracted- please disregard

[tintin]

OK folks, normally I stick to my "own" thread
but IRAN is just TOO BIG OF A STORY.

IRAN MEANS THE APOCALYPSE.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/2004_guuseum.jpg/800px-2004_guuseum.jpg

GUUS HIDDINK was the coach of SOUTH KOREA.
He is a hero on KOREA and has a stadium named after him.

This year he was coach of RUSSIA.

http://www.charlottevanderveen.nl/images/popup/russen.jpg

RUSSEN. Dutch TV series.

RUSSEN is a slang term in dutch for the POLICE.

RUSSIANS in dutch are called RUSSEN.

GUUS HIDDINK was coach of KOREA and of the RUSSEN.

The POLICE means STING.
The big STING that I have posted about many times
in the NEWS thread.

http://duckman.pettho.com/characters/gladston.jpg

Guus Hiddink is called
GUUS GELUK in Holland.
GLADSTONE GANDER

GLADSTONE GANDER is GUUS GELUK in Holland.
And now you can link things again.
In SEOUL you have the TEHERAN road in the centre.
Not just some road, but a very important road.

IRAN versus ISRAEL, that's what it's all about.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Gladstone.jpg

William GLADSTONE

GLADSTONE GANDER is GUUS HIDDINK.

William GLADSTONE is the first GLADSTONE that
pops up when looking for GLADSTONES.

William Ewart Gladstone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go to his wiki page and what is the first thing you see?

ISRAEL

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Disraeli-photo.jpg/408px-Disraeli-photo.jpg

BENJAMIN DISRAELI

GLADSTONES rivalry with DISRAELI is the first thing mentioned.

So that's how it works.
INSIDE INFO is what makes people RICH.

This TEHERAN and 666 link is no coincidence.
GUUS HIDDINK links ISRAEL and IRAN and KOREA.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/rt_laura_bush_071022_ms.jpg

In symbolism LAURA BUSH represents the EXECUTIONER.
See the NEWS thread.

This pic is one of the first that comes up after googling
Laura Bush. (Very first is now a NAKED LAURA BUSH, Emperor
has no clothes.)

GUUS HIDDINK was born
4 days after Laura Bush.
Thats exactly 96 hours.

So, again, I AM NOT OBSESSED with those numbers
THEY ARE. 6 Million jews, Israel 60 years. 666.
The BEAST system in action.

They want EVERYTHING REDUCED to numbers because
NUMBERS can be controlled by a COMPUTER.

Political correctness means

REDUCING HUMANS to ROBOTS

To NUMBERS.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/music/images/46664_logo.gif

We just had this giant MANDELA party.
AMY WINEHOUSE was the final act.
Why AMY WINEHOUSE?

http://www.kindamuzik.net/gfx/amywinehouse-cvr-1106.JPG

Wine means BLOOD

This is how the CODE SYSTEM works.
666 in KOREA means WAR with TEHERAN.

http://www.payvand.com/news/07/aug/TEHERAN43b.jpg

Russians, Germans, French
Teheran, number 43, BUSH and
BLOOD

This is what we are doing in the NEWS THREAD all the time.
Supposedly irrelevant stories in a tiny village
in AMERICA can tell you all about the coming world war.

Normally I stick to my "own" thread because the
posters and readers overthere know about all
the connections. So we don't need to explain the
same thing over and over again.

IRAN really means almost the end of the world.
the OIL price will "kill" the SYSTEM.

And that movie TEHERAN 43 tells us it will
happen under PRESIDENT 43. That's BUSH.

Means there are now only a few months left until
that Apocalyptic and SUICIDAL war with IRAN.

AWARENESS about all this NONSENSE is the best
thing we can do IMO.
And being prepared. If we cannot avoid the
inevitable then the next best thing is to be prepared.

[romas]

Tintin definately has talent connecting all that :eek:

[tintin]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LgIxuT6RL._SS500_.jpg

Rachel Corrie killed
by a BULLDOZER

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44799000/gif/_44799302_jerusalem_jaffa_2_466.gif

BULLDOZER attack
in Jerusalem

http://img.timeinc.net/TFK/media/goplaces/southkorea/map.gif

Yesterday 666 in KOREA

KOREA
CORRIE

[duckingdafta]

scary stuff... and excellently executed.. nice work!

without seeming an idiot, i wondered if the release of the film Mamma Mia Musical had anything to add to fit in as I noticed on tha catwalk With Meryl Streep, Pierce Brosnan in the red dress and saying how he's glad to be rid of bond.. maybe nowt though.

[tintin]

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/rachel_corrie.gif

Rachel Corrie comes
from OLYMPIA Washington.

http://www.ci.olympia.wa.us/NR/rdonlyres/3087DE6F-310C-43FC-A538-27E020A1F6E9/0/Doug_Mah_portrait_Jan2008.jpg

Mayor OLYMPIA is
DOUG MAH
Mah is a KOREAN name.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/Not_without_my_daughter.jpg/405px-Not_without_my_daughter.jpg

About MAH-TOB


MAH-TOB was the daughter.
SALLY FIELD. (SELLAFIELD, Nuclear link.)

DOUG MAH.
DOGMA.
Organized RELIGION.
ISRAEL is all about DOGMA's.

MAHTOB was played by SHEILA ROSENTHAL.
Jewish. IRAN and ISRAEL.

BETTY MAHMOODY escaped from TEHERAN.

MOVIE directed by GILBERT. (fat lady singing)

[tintin]

Folks, there are a lot of people
telling us these things but it's always difficult
to know if they are disinformers or not.

So best is to listen carefully to THE SYMBOLIC FACTS.

http://www.korea.net/cheditor40_asp/cheditor/attach/200712281752451179.jpg

The SEOUL Stock market
closed today at
1.666.46

These NUMBERS are no COINCIDENCE.
They are FAR MORE RELIABLE than opinions from
paid disinformers and this is a HUGE MESSAGE.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Teheran_Ave_night.jpg

TEHERAN Road
Heart of Seoul.

This is from WIKI.
And here another STOCK MARKET LINK.

The user who posted this is

APPLEBEE

WALL STREET and the BIG APPLE.
The BEE stands for the BIG STING that I have posted
about in the NEWS thread.

Here is what makes it extra interesting.

The name TEHERAN Road came
after a visit by the MAYOR of
TEHERAN to KOREA.

http://www.asiantribune.com/files/images/President%20Mahmoud%20Ahmadinejad.img_assist_custo m.jpg

Ahmadinejad is a former
MAYOR of TEHERAN

The TEHERAN road is in an area called TEHERAN VALLEY
because of the business comparison to SILICON VALLEY.

The OIL price is NOT ONLY RISING because
of SUPPLY and DEMAND but also because of the danger of
the STRAIT of HORMUZ and the PERSIAN GULF being shut down.
If that happens, it will be the end of the WESTERN
SYSTEM as we know it.

And remember that ISRAEL is 60 years this year.
And the 6 MILLION number tells you about the importance
of the number 6 to ISRAEL and their "mortal" enemy IRAN.

Israeli Stock market
closes today at
966.66

http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=africa

[3stepsahead]

Hello
I heard on the radio today that , the new yorker has a large report on how close the us or israel is to start an attack. I could not find the articles on teh net and i guess i should have rememberd more details...
One thing being that it would basically be benificial for the republican party and especialy the rep. nominee.. and that the government are ignoring its own branches research on the nuculeus issue.. again.

Has anyone acces to the article?

all i could find was this
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh

I also read in yesterdays paper the figures for war spending in totals..
they are quite stunning, and bush has just gotten approval for an increased funding... Something is in the horizon its just a matter of when the bubble will burst.

[xdnax]

tintin.

the 46664 "its in our hands" nelson mandella concert circus last week. do you think this has any relevance on it?

oh, and i noticed this morning that on bbc news, when they showed the asian stockmarket and how it finished, the presenter just said "we've only just got time to show u a quick look at how the asian market finished" and the screen was flashed almost as quick as a subliminal message.

oh....and I LOVE YOU :) keep up the great work, and thank you.

[xdnax]

Or become a powerful cabbalist like some members here, you need to have read a Crowley book, Moonchild will do it's the easiest, have a wank, get whatever you want! Don't worry Tintin there is no good and evil. It's all an illusion.
:) cool reply. got me laughin.

[tintin]

tintin.

the 46664 "its in our hands" nelson mandella concert circus last week. do you think this has any relevance on it?

oh, and i noticed this morning that on bbc news, when they showed the asian stockmarket and how it finished, the presenter just said "we've only just got time to show u a quick look at how the asian market finished" and the screen was flashed almost as quick as a subliminal message.

oh....and I LOVE YOU :) keep up the great work, and thank you.


Ah, many thanks,

Nelson Mandela?
Yeah definitely big importance.
He was born on 18 JULY and that is the day of the SAN DIEGO
MASSACRE. That massacre in a McDonalds, was exactly 66
years after his birth. San Diego is a KEY CITY in my research.

http://noted.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/46664.jpg

All the time this 666 right in your face.

http://www.kindamuzik.net/gfx/amywinehouse-cvr-1106.JPG

Amy Winehouse was the
closing act.

WINE and BLOOD.

http://www.arena-nv.be/nederlands/images/DELA.gif

DELA is a dutch
FUNERAL insurance company

MAN and DELA.

Mandela was released from the VICTOR VERSTER Prison.
No called DRAKENSTEIN.
DRAKESTEYN is the name of the CASTLE where the
Prince of ORANGE wa raissed.

NELSON MANDELA was elected on 27 APRIL.
Birthday PRINCE of ORANGE.
On 2 February, DE CLERC announced his release from
prison. 2 February is when the PRINCE of ORANGE married.

http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/_/aljazeerah_info/mandela_to_george_bush.jpe

George Bush: Saddam has
killed all the MANDELAS

Huh? What's that for strange remark.
But it's not stupidity. It's a code.

http://www.onedigitallife.com/images/bush_book.jpg

Just as this is not a blooper by BUSH but a carefully
instructed message. AMERICA turned upside down.

MANDELA is an anagram of AMANDEL.
AMANDEL is the dutch word for ALMOND

CALIFORNIA is where the most ALMONDS come from
and CALIFORNIA will be TERMINATED.

In SPAIN you have the JORDAN ALMOND.
JORDAN also stands for CALIFORNIA.

AMY WINEHOUSE and the WHITE HOUSE.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/AmyWinehouseBerlin2007.jpg

Amy Winhouse born on
14 September (FLIGHT 714)
and born in SOUTHGATE.

the GATE to the SOUTH is what will save you. It
will be all HELL in the NORTH but in AUSTRALIA people
will be relatively OK.

And the first File date of that WINEHOUSE pic
was 27 MARCH. Day SAN DIEGO was incorporated.
And the user was

C777

777 means PERFECTION.
Perfection for the ILLUMIES means MASS DEATHS and the NWO.
CALIFORNIA is key to that NWO.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Iraq%2C_Saddam_Hussein_%28222%29.jpg

SADDAM killed all the
MANDELAS. Saddam became President
16 JULY. Day SAN DIEGO was founded
Mandela born on 18 July
day of the SAN DIEGO massacre.

And MANDELA wil be 90. COMPLETION....

[realy]

"Democrats Back Covert
US Attacks On Iran"

http://www.rense.com/general82/demtt.htm

[real6]

There are some who believe Iran already has nukes and/or can have access to them very easily through their dealings with Russia and that country "misplacing" many nuclear warheads.

It must appear as though Iran attacks first. Otherwise, there will be no justification. My thoughts are that one day I'll wake up and see images of the 5th fleet floating around the Persian Gulf in pieces. The PTB will make sure to have a lot of video footage of it with plenty of helicopters flying overhead. It will be emblazoned onto the psyche of the Western world through 24/7 repetition of it. Over and over and over. After the image of thousands of dead sailors floating in the ocean is impressed onto the people, there will be no more dissent.

And thats how it will happen!!!

[empyblessing]

And thats how it will happen!!!

The thing is that people completely forget about the blockade being put into place and all of the harm that it will cause to the Iranians. The press will center the focus of the people into a tunnel vision of only dead american sailors, ship wreckage, with Iran to blame.

Bombing will then commence. Fail. Ground troops will be pulled from Iraq and fight the Iranian Royal Guard. Fail. Bush will order the new "useable" nukes on Iran. Win. The Middle East will solidify into one force. First, it will be backed by Russia with equipment and arms only. China will pull financing for the US war machine. The US will join with it's remaining allies, Britain, Israel as the main forces.

In retribution, a Russian nuclear warhead, detonated by ME forces, will be set off inside an American city. Marshall Law declared, Bush cancels elections. Win.

But, it's not going to happen. That's Cheney's little wetdream scenario. He will FAIL. There will be no war. Cheney and Bush will be impeached. Their plans come to ruin. Epic win.

[3stepsahead]

u know mushrooms really arent 1up:D

[red_ram]

The thing is that people completely forget about the blockade being put into place and all of the harm that it will cause to the Iranians. The press will center the focus of the people into a tunnel vision of only dead american sailors, ship wreckage, with Iran to blame.

Bombing will then commence. Fail. Ground troops will be pulled from Iraq and fight the Iranian Royal Guard. Fail. Bush will order the new "useable" nukes on Iran. Win. The Middle East will solidify into one force. First, it will be backed by Russia with equipment and arms only. China will pull financing for the US war machine. The US will join with it's remaining allies, Britain, Israel as the main forces.

In retribution, a Russian nuclear warhead, detonated by ME forces, will be set off inside an American city. Marshall Law declared, Bush cancels elections. Win.

But, it's not going to happen. That's Cheney's little wetdream scenario. He will FAIL. There will be no war. Cheney and Bush will be impeached. Their plans come to ruin. Epic win.

I have to agree.

If they did go to war, they would do it without me. I refuse to take up arms against my fellow man, whom I have no quarrel with.

[empyblessing]

This blockade screams of a last ditch, desperate effort on part of the Bush cult to piss off Iran. They have 6 months to pull some shenanigans. This administration isn't going quietly. It's going to be exciting to watch. They need to impeach the fuckers NOW. Before they become rapidly insane with fear of being put out of office.

[red_ram]

This blockade screams of a last ditch, desperate effort on part of the Bush cult to piss off Iran. They have 6 months to pull some shenanigans. This administration isn't going quietly. It's going to be exciting to watch. They need to impeach the fuckers NOW. Before they become rapidly insane with fear of being put out of office.

Yes, absolutely.

[malkor]

The blockade is a perfect opportunity to stage a false flag attack. Then we can go to war with Iran without questioning and without a guilty conscience. Any conscientious objectors will be labeled appeasers and traitors.

[amerigirl]

Hmm, this situation is no good :mad:


A little warning maybe, or maybe this is far-fetched? :o Jerry Bruckheimer (Pirates.., Armageddon, etc), is doing the Prince of Persia: Sands of Time movie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Prince_movie_logo.jpg


It was just released not too long ago that Jake Gyllenhaal will star in it.

If you're not familiar w/ it here's vid of the game.
prince of persia movie - YouTube

If I'm not mistaken Iran is/was ancient Persia?

[11indigo11]

Theran Empire
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The Theran Empire is the main antagonist of the Earthdawn Role-playing game. It is based on the island of Thera (present day Santorini), to the southwest of Barsaive. The empire is considered the chief power at work in the Earthdawn setting, with provinces in modern day Africa, Southern Asia, as well as most of Europe. The Theran Empire is extremely magically advanced, possessing vast libraries of magical lore, powerful (If not corrupt) wizards, and literal 'floating fortresses' ripped from the earth itself.

Theran wizards and politicians warned many of the outlying nations around Thera of the coming of the Scourge and the Horrors, offering the technology and protection of the kaers to those who would pledge their loyalty to the Empire. Most of these nations agreed at first though some became unwilling to fulfill their end of the bargain after the end of the Scourge, wanting to have nothing to do with the bureaucratic nation run on political conflict and powered by slavery.


Indrisa (India)
Arancia (France)
Marac (Tunisia)
Creana (Egypt)
Barsaive (Russia)
Vivane (Greece)
Rugaria (Bulgaria)
Talea (Italy)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theran_Empire

[soulja]

If they did go to war, they would do it without me. I refuse to take up arms against my fellow man, whom I have no quarrel with.

if we could get this common sense into the heads of the people serving in the military we would be a big step forward towards freedom.

[shodan]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3563569,00.html

US envoy says no decision made on Iran attack


Outgoing Ambassador Richard Jones tells Ynet that to the best of his knowledge, no military operations expected in near future against Iranian nuclear facilities. Use of military force was last option, he says, adding US and Israel working in cooperation

Sharon Roffe-Ofir Published: 07.03.08, 13:56 / Israel News

Outgoing US Ambassador to Israel Richard Jones told Ynet on Thursday that to the best of his knowledge, no military operations are expected in the near future against Iran.

The ambassador spoke on the backdrop of recent reports that Israel is planning to attack Iran's nuclear facilities by the end of the year.

Opinion

Who will blink first? / Alex Fishman

America using Israel’s military power to scare Iranians, Europeans
Full story

I don’t believe any decisions have been made to attack Iran in the near future, Jones said, adding that the use of military force was the last option and that Israel and the US were cooperating in order to resolve the issue.

The remarks were made during a farewell ceremony held in Jones' honor at the home of Deputy Foreign Minister Majalli Whbee in beit Jan.

US Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Wednesday that an Israeli strike on Iranian nuclear facilities would be a high-risk move that could destabilize the Middle East.

Mullen said a war with Iran would be "extremely stressful" on the US military. But he made clear the United States would act to reopen the Strait of Hormuz if Tehran tried to block the key oil transport route in the Gulf. American forces are severely strained already by wars on two fronts - the nearly seven-year-old campaign in Afghanistan and more than five years in Iraq.

Outgoing Ambassador Jones also addressed the negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, saying that it was likely that an agreement would be attained by the end of the year.

As for the talks between Israel and Syria, Jones denied that the US was against the negotiations, stating that this was an Israeli matter. He said that the US was not involved in the issue and has not expressed its stance.

He added, however, that the Americans had their doubts regarding the Syrians and that many Israelis were skeptical as well.

[curiouscurious]

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/einstein/bees.asp

There are no mentions of the quote in The New Quotable Einstein . There is nothing in any of his works and no recordings of him saying it. The origins of the quote have been traced back to some german journal of entomology.

He didn't make any mention of bees. Einstein didn't say it.

check out the first few mins of this movie
http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/the_happening/

[bill23]

im starting to think that its something to worry about now, thanks for bring it up.

[empyblessing]

check out the first few mins of this movie
http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/the_happening/

The thing is that I don't doubt that the disappearance of the bees is significant. It's just that the MSM invented that quote to rouse up fear in the people. And that movie is crazy. I couldn't get the rest of the parts to run but it looks great.

[empyblessing]

Anyone heard of new developments?

[alexav]

Just saw today that the Iranies had been testing some of the missiles... so... may be this is like showing USA the muscle they have...

[deany]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7498214.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7496823.stm

[hokhmah]

The BBC News Channel is currently running two stories
(both are posted on it's BBC.co.uk online News website):

(1). The head of French energy giant TOTAL has said it will NOT invest in IRAN because it is too politically risky. The company had been planning to develop the huge South Pars gas field in Iran, but Cheif Executive Christophe de Margerie told the Financial Times it would not go ahead. The announcement comes a day after Iran test-fired a series of missiles amid weeks of rising tensions with Israel and the US over its nuclear ambitions.

(2). The US and Israel have condemned Iran after it test-fired a long range missile capable of reaching Tel Aviv. Iran state media said nine missiles had been fired in total, including a new Shahab-3, with a range of 2,000km (1,240 miles). Tehran has tested the missile before, but the latest launch comes amid rising tensions with the US and Israel over the country's nuclear programme. A senior US state department official said the launch was "provocative". Wednesday's early morning test at a remote desert site sent oil prices climbing.

"AND IN THE BLUE CORNER": Ze'ev Boim Israeli minister said, "Israel should prepare itself to do what is needed to do."

"AND IN THE RED CORNER": Brigadier General Hoseyn Salami, commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards' air force, said: "Our missiles are ready for shooting at any place and any time, quickly and with accuracy."

Also, this week, on the BBC television News, we have seen over and over again, the on-screen 'ticker-tape' message stating that:

"IRAN HAS MISSILES CAPABLE OF REACHING ISRAEL."

Are the PTB using the' Weapons of Mass Destruction ploy' again?

This is classic Problem - Reaction - Solution...

It's a mirror image of the buildup to the attack on Iraq - All the signs are there that Iran will be attacked shortly.

[empyblessing]

It's on a lot of people's mind in the United States. A lot of people not interested in politics or current events are aware there is something going on with Iran. Most people think gas will sky rocket even more if there is an attack. Which is true.

Unlike Iraq, Iran will have the ability to fight back.

[deany]

they seem to be souping up this story by the hour on the BBC website. here's the latest effort:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7499198.stm

US warns Iran on missile threat

Some of the missiles tested on Wednesday could reach Israel
The US has said it will not hesitate to defend its interests and those of its allies as Iran continues missile tests.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the US had increased its security in the region and Iran should not be "confused" about US capabilities.

Iran tested missiles on Wednesday that could reach Israel, and on Thursday carried out further tests.

Meanwhile French energy giant Total has said it will not invest in Iran because it is too politically risky.

New tests

Condoleezza Rice was speaking during a visit to Georgia.

She said: "We take very strongly our obligation to defend our allies and we intend to do that.




Tensions mount over Iran



"In the Gulf area, the United States has enhanced its security capacity, its security presence and we are working closely with all our allies... to make [sure] they are capable of defending themselves."

The Iranian military said on Thursday its Revolutionary Guards had carried out further medium- and long-range missile tests overnight.

The tests included the first night test of the Shahab-3 missile, said to have a range of 2,000km (1,240 miles), along with shore-to-sea, surface-to-surface and sea-to-air missiles, state media reported.

The BBC's Jon Leyne in Tehran says this appears another gesture of defiance following the international condemnation of Wednesday's tests. Media reports appeared to be delivered as a matter of pride.


Today we would be taking too much political risk to invest in Iran because people will say: 'Total will do anything for money'

Christophe de Margerie
Chief Executive, Total

Ms Rice said it was about time Iran "got on the right side of the international community".

The first test of the updated Shahab-3 missile, which could strike Israel, was on Wednesday.

Gen Hoseyn Salami, the Guards' air force commander, said the tests demonstrated Iran's "resolve and might against enemies who in recent weeks have threatened Iran with harsh language".

State media quoted him as saying: "Our hands are always on the trigger and our missiles are ready for launch."

William Burns, the top official handling Iranian issues at the US state department, said the launch was "very disturbing, provocative and reckless".

'Big blow'

Meanwhile, the head of Total, Christophe de Margerie, told the Financial Times the company's planned development of the huge South Pars gas field in southern Iran would not go ahead.

"Today we would be taking too much political risk to invest in Iran because people will say: 'Total will do anything for money'," he said.

Total was the last major Western energy group to have seriously considered investing in the country's huge gas reserves.

Analysts say the move will be a big blow to the Iranian energy industry.

It means Iran is now unlikely to significantly increase its gas exports until late into the next decade, they add.

[truthsayer]

Why is everyone trying to manifest this war instead of thinking POSITIVELY it isnt going to happen:mad:

Nifty:cool:

Try reading the New American Century and then you'll think differently.

These wars are all strategic and they are all about oil.

[cheeb]

Very Suspiscious Stuff Happening....

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6250/iranmissile3vn0.jpg

Noted document debunker Charles Johnson has noticed something peculiar about one of Iran's bits of official propaganda following Wednesday's missile launch.

Unless Iranian missile exhaust tends to form remarkably regular patterns, someone's been busying himself with the clone tool.

See LGF for the original hi-res image with some of the curious regions highlighted. I've taken the liberty of animating an overlay based on Johnson's apt pattern matching. As a gif, it suffers some degradation from the resolution of the original, but you get the idea.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8945/iranmissilefauxtogf2.gif

Update: This image, part of a framegrab from an Al Alam television broadcast of the launch (apparently taken at approximately the same time from a slightly higher elevation) makes it pretty clear which missile was conjured from borrowed pixels.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8414/iranmissile1lh7.jpg

Probably Photoshopped From This One Though...

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/166/iranmissile2rj8.jpg

The Propaganda Machine Is In Full Throttle Now...

[lordofangels]

It's not just Iran doing saber rattling, we also do our own, http://www.airtattoo.com/airtattoo/AboutTheTattoo/08themes 90 years thats not so special, would you even celebrate it? maybe a hundred years, But ask yourself why so big this year?

[musti]

i think the total news is an important sign. the biggest companies, which are either owned by the elite or at least have ties to the elite, definitely have prior knowledge of what is to come. according to wikipedia total is "one of the six "Supermajor" oil companies in the world."

[jimmi]

Meanwhile the report in yesterdays daily mirror telling of Russia threatening the USA with military action if the 'new defence system' is installed in Czechoslovakia goes very much unnoticed!

[goldman]

It's on guys. I'd say July.


Israel 'ready to act' over Iran.

Ehud Barak said Israel was the strongest country in the region Israel's defence minister has warned of his country's readiness to act against Iran if it feels threatened. Ehud Barak, speaking in Tel Aviv, said Israel had "proved in the past that it won't hesitate to act when its vital security interests are at stake". He spoke as Iran's testing of missiles that could reach Israel stoked tensions between the two, and with the US.

But Mr Barak added that diplomatic solutions should be pursued before other options were taken up. "Currently the focus is international sanctions and vigorous diplomatic activity, and these avenues should be exhausted," he said.

Quoted by Israeli news website Ynet, Mr Barak said: "We must work towards an accord - but if not, then we must strike our enemy when it is required.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7500342.stm

[amethyst]

It's on guys. I'd say July.


Israel 'ready to act' over Iran.

Ehud Barak said Israel was the strongest country in the region Israel's defence minister has warned of his country's readiness to act against Iran if it feels threatened. Ehud Barak, speaking in Tel Aviv, said Israel had "proved in the past that it won't hesitate to act when its vital security interests are at stake". He spoke as Iran's testing of missiles that could reach Israel stoked tensions between the two, and with the US.

But Mr Barak added that diplomatic solutions should be pursued before other options were taken up. "Currently the focus is international sanctions and vigorous diplomatic activity, and these avenues should be exhausted," he said.

Quoted by Israeli news website Ynet, Mr Barak said: "We must work towards an accord - but if not, then we must strike our enemy when it is required.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7500342.stm

Thinking along those lines too. July or August.

[goldman]

How about these:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8176/20080709iranmissilephotdb7.jpg


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2443/failfm3lj1.jpg


Oops! the fourth one never left the ground!

[cheeb]

Very Suspiscious Stuff Happening....

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6250/iranmissile3vn0.jpg

Noted document debunker Charles Johnson has noticed something peculiar about one of Iran's bits of official propaganda following Wednesday's missile launch.

Unless Iranian missile exhaust tends to form remarkably regular patterns, someone's been busying himself with the clone tool.

See LGF for the original hi-res image with some of the curious regions highlighted. I've taken the liberty of animating an overlay based on Johnson's apt pattern matching. As a gif, it suffers some degradation from the resolution of the original, but you get the idea.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8945/iranmissilefauxtogf2.gif

Update: This image, part of a framegrab from an Al Alam television broadcast of the launch (apparently taken at approximately the same time from a slightly higher elevation) makes it pretty clear which missile was conjured from borrowed pixels.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8414/iranmissile1lh7.jpg

Probably Photoshopped From This One Though...

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/166/iranmissile2rj8.jpg

The Propaganda Machine Is In Full Throttle Now...

and the videos are practically the same...


Yesterday missile test.
Iran Missile Test Footage - YouTube

Iran missile test in Nov 6, 2006.
Iran Firing Multiple Missiles - YouTube

I'm Smelling A Rat Here...

The Photoshopped Missile Is Supposed To Be From The Iranian Republican Gaurd News Website...

But I Cant Find No Evidence For This....

:eek:

[monkey]

FFS you need to get out more

Tin tin's symbolic posts and hidden 'news' stuff is highly amusing but this is so true. And I DEFINATELY should get out more as I read his posts

[goldman]

*cough*

http://bp3.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SHYna5gIVEI/AAAAAAAAO5U/T2t6xrRn4o0/s1600/iran%2Bmissile%2B4.JPG


http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/07/more-strange-photos-of-iranian-missile.html
http://kamangir.net/2008/07/09/fake_pictures_missile_drill/

What is happening? check this out, the same picture from 2006 and 2007! :confused:

additional references:
http://www.iribnews.ir/Default.aspx?Page=PhotoDetail&PhotoID=14602
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24492_Iranian_Fauxtography_Bust&only
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/24497_LA_Times_Publishes_Iran_Propaganda_Claim_Ign ores_Fauxtography
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n212/DarUlHarb/IranianPhotoshop.swf

[tintin]

Tin tin's symbolic posts and hidden 'news' stuff is highly amusing but this is so true. And I DEFINATELY should get out more as I read his crazy posts

Can you show me WHAT is exactly CRAZY in my posts?

[krakhead]

Can you show me WHAT is exactly CRAZY in my posts?

You've posted 2,758 posts (correct at time of press ;))- where the hell would anyone start?! :p

[tintin]

You've posted 2,758 posts (correct at time of press ;))- where the hell would anyone start?! :p

Then please start somewhere and point to
those things that are ludicrous.

[real6]

You've posted 2,758 posts (correct at time of press ;))- where the hell would anyone start?! :p


Crazy is sometimes another word used for the word: "KNOWLEDGEABLE"

;)

[krakhead]

Crazy is sometimes another word used for the word: "KNOWLEDGEABLE"

;)

Yes, with psychiatric patients suffering from 'word-salad' ;)

[tintin]

It's on guys. I'd say July.


Israel 'ready to act' over Iran.

Ehud Barak said Israel was the strongest country in the region Israel's defence minister has warned of his country's readiness to act against Iran if it feels threatened. Ehud Barak, speaking in Tel Aviv, said Israel had "proved in the past that it won't hesitate to act when its vital security interests are at stake". He spoke as Iran's testing of missiles that could reach Israel stoked tensions between the two, and with the US.

But Mr Barak added that diplomatic solutions should be pursued before other options were taken up. "Currently the focus is international sanctions and vigorous diplomatic activity, and these avenues should be exhausted," he said.

Quoted by Israeli news website Ynet, Mr Barak said: "We must work towards an accord - but if not, then we must strike our enemy when it is required.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7500342.stm

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Ehud_Barak.jpg

There are a few reasons
why this guy has to
be taken VERY SERIOUSLY.

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/05/01/alg_giants_bush.jpg

Ehud Barak was born
on 12 February.
DAY 43

http://www.israelemb.org/pictures/Ehud_Barak.jpg

Ehud Barak born on
day 43, came into
office as prime minister on
6 JULY. President nr 43 George
Bush was coincidently born
on 6 July.....

[cheeb]

Mounting sense of crisis over Iran

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/166/iranmissile2rj8.jpg
See The BBC Has Changed The Image Into 3 Missiles Now..!!!

A day after a major Iranian ballistic missile test provoked international condemnation, the front pages in Iran are covered with pictures of the missiles soaring into the sky.

There is a note of pride in the coverage, and perhaps just a little satisfaction that Iran has finally got the world's attention.

For days, Iranian military leaders have been issuing ever more blood-curdling warnings about Iran's response to any attack.

The head of the Revolutionary Guards, Gen Mohammad Ali Jafari, threatened to block the Strait of Hormuz - the lifeline of the world's oil supplies.

Another official said Tel Aviv and US interests in the Gulf would be the first targets in any response.

And just in case the message was not crystal clear, yet another commander said orders had been given to dig 320,000 graves in Iran's border provinces, in which to bury the bodies of invading soldiers.

Look Who Is In The Thick Of It

Last month, the EU's foreign policy representative, Javier Solana, brought to Tehran a new package of "incentives" designed to encourage it back to the negotiating table.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5372/solanairanyn6.jpg
Iran's government says it will not compromise on its nuclear policy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7499334.stm

:eek:

[duckingdafta]

It started a week ago (4th), just lessons learnt from TV coverage of the last invasion has meant a blackout on coverage this time, you're being fed IMO little bites of what some reckon is diplomacy when at the same time told no-one is talking to each other or listening.. double speak I think it's called. I also think these 'test missiles' are somehow the same you might use to knock out satellites/communications/spying methods.. BBC propaganda shows much footage looped of test firing, yet all the same footage and supposedly different events...yesterday banging on about 2nd test whilst showing footage of the 1st round from the previous day.. they NEED to update their propaganda archives.

[lizzy]

hi tin tin....the new 3 missile pic,.....how v interesting!!

DDafta,.........yup, I agree.

[mightiswrong]

the british brainwashing cult at it again. just press the off switch.

[cheeb]

hi tin tin....the new 3 missile pic,.....how v interesting!!

DDafta,.........yup, I agree.

Very Interesting Symbolism To Do With The 3 Shahab Missiles:

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/807/shabbah3tv2.gif

The Shahab-3 (Persian: شهاب-۳, meaning "Comet-3")

The Third Angel

"... The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— the name of the star is Wormwood..." (Rev. 8:10-11)

The book of Revelations is unfolding in Israel now. According to the prophecy, Jerusalem is where this final battle is to be played out.

:eek:

[lizzy]

yes, cheeb.........all going to plan but OMG I hope not.......

correction (your pic not tin tins) thanks

[cheeb]

Here Is A Scenario From A Washington Think Tank
From September 2004

Sept 2004: Four Day War: Scenario of How War on Iran Would Go

What follows is the unfolding of a worst-case scenario, an imaginary yet all-too-possible depiction of how events might develop if Israel were to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Day One: Wednesday -- In a pre-dawn raid, undisclosed numbers of Israeli warplanes, taking off from military airbases in the Negev, destroy Iran’s main nuclear facility at Bushehr. ..During the one-hour raid, Iran claims to have shot down “several” Israeli fighters. Television images show pilots being lynched by furious mobs before Iranian authorities could reach them. The after-effects of the raid shake the Arab and Islamic world. Millions take to the streets demanding immediate action against Israel...American intelligence convinced Israel that as long as Musharraf remains in power, Pakistan does not represent an imminent threat. The decision was made not to hit Pakistan.

Day Two: Thursday - Iran retaliates. Thousands of Revolutionary Guards are dispatched across the border into Iraq with orders to inflict as many casualties on American troops as possible. Iranian sleeper agents, who have infiltrated Iraq since the downfall of Saddam, urge Iraqi Shi’ites into action. Tehran orders the Lebanese Shi’ite movement, Hezbollah, into action against northern Israel. Hezbollah launches scores of rockets and mortars against kibbutzim, towns, and settlements. Israel retaliates. Crowds of gigantic proportions take to the streets, ransacking Israeli embassies in Cairo, Amman, and Ankara. American embassies in a number of other cities are burned.

Day Three: Friday - Following Friday prayers across the Islamic world, crowds incited by fiery sermons in mosques from Casablanca to Karachi take to the streets in the worst protests yet. In Saudi Arabia, Islamist militants engage in open gun battles with security forces in several cities. In Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, and a dozen other countries, crowds continue to run amok, demanding war on Israel.

Day Four: Saturday - A longstanding plan to overthrow Musharraf is carried out by senior Pakistani army officers loyal to the Islamic fundamentalists and with close ties to bin Laden. Within hours, and before news of the coup leaks out, Pakistan, now run by pro-bin Laden fundamentalists, loads two nuclear weapons aboard executive Lear jets [that] dive into the outskirts of the two [Israeli] cities, detonating their nuclear devices in the process.

The rest of this scenario can unfold in a number of ways. Take your pick; none are encouraging.
Israel retaliates against Pakistan, killing millions in the process. Arab governments fall. Following days of violence, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt succumb to Islamist rebels who vow open warfare with Israel. The Middle East regresses into war, with the fighting claiming hundreds of thousands of lives. A much-weakened Israel, now struggling for its very survival, deploys more nuclear weapons, targeting multiple Arab capitals. The Middle East is in complete mayhem, as the United States desperately tries to arrange a cease-fire.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7301/nuclearbombtestwv9.jpg

That Was In 2004

There Is Worse Now With A New Strain Of Virus In The Gulf,
Resistant To 50 Types Of Antibiotic....

[duckingdafta]

the british brainwashing cult at it again. just press the off switch.

give over!!. CITV is on and My Parents Are Aliens:D

[tintin]

You've posted 2,758 posts (correct at time of press ;))- where the hell would anyone start?! :p

Miserable creature.
It's disgusting folks like you
that keep the system working.

[krakhead]

Miserable creature.
It's disgusting folks like you
that keep the system working.

Charming as ever tin!

Drunk again also?

[tintin]

Charming as ever tin!

Drunk again also?

Fuck off to ISRAEL!!

[krakhead]

Fuck off to ISRAEL!!

How are you so incredibly imaginative when linking completely disparate occurrences into a 'cohesive' picture, yet so UNimaginative with your insults?

I can't wait for you to accuse me of being homosexual again............

[tintin]

How are you so incredibly imaginative when linking completely disparate occurrences into a 'cohesive' picture, yet so UNimaginative with your insults?

I can't wait for you to accuse me of being homosexual again............

Go and play on your TEL AVIV beach.

[krakhead]

Go and play on your TEL AVIV beach.

You are, without a doubt, my favourite poster on this forum :D

[tintin]

You are, without a doubt, my favourite poster on this forum :D

Look FAKE JEW,
This whole FAKE ISRAEL is what's brings
us WORLD WAR.

Capice?

[krakhead]

Capice?

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1825651_232323CapricePosters.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

What about her? ;)


And I'm sorry I don't follow your "the world is fucked" ethos. Yes, bad things are happening, I happen to be more optimistic about how it will all resolve.

C'mon, let's hug :)

[tintin]

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1825651_232323CapricePosters.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

What about her? ;)


And I'm sorry I don't follow your "the world is fucked" ethos. Yes, bad things are happening, I happen to be more optimistic about how it will all resolve.

C'mon, let's hug :)

Fake JEWS are
GOING AFTER ME ALL
MY LIFE. They don't like
SMART INCORRECT FOLks at all.

[krakhead]

Drunk again also?

Fake JEWS are
GOING AFTER ME ALL
MY LIFE. They don't like
SMART INCORRECT FOLks at all.

I'll take that as a yes?

[duckingdafta]

pathetic badgering!

[largejack]

Why is everyone trying to manifest this war instead of thinking POSITIVELY it isnt going to happen:mad:

Nifty:cool:

Because there's no such thing in this world, the H &H by-election proved that

[tintin]

Charming as ever tin!

Drunk again also?

Yeah, was drunk yesterday.
Need that once in a while, otherwise the EVIL in
this world is just TOO much to bear.

I live in Holland and Holland must be the most
JEWISH BOOTLICKING country in the world.

There is a reason for that because almost all the jews that lived
in Holland before the war have died.

That is TRUE.
They juggle a lot with numbers but not in the case
of the Dutch jews.

As a result jews in Holland are HOLY.
There only live about 30.000 in Holland but half
of them seem celebs.

One thing in Holland that hugely annoyed me is GERMANS.
Almost all the GERMANS I met were friendly, so I
refuse to give in to that ANTI GERMAN thing they are
forcing upon us. (And most people are)

We are on the brink of the APOCALYPSE now
and ISRAEL is in the centre of it all.

I once counted the amount of programs on TV in
a weekend on all the channels combined about the holocaust
and it was just staggering.

And always JEWS are NOBLE and GERMAN are BEASTS.

It's just insane to see so much HATE against
the Germans. And in GERMANY itself it's almost even worse.

Why are they showing ANTI GERMAN movies in their own
country all the time?
A politician that asked questions about ISRAEL, Molleman,
was killed. Just a little warning.

And now we will have WORLD WAR.
Only because people REFUSE to talk the TRUTH about ISRAEL.

And of course I don't hate JEWS.
I am not in the business of HATING. Hate kills you.
Hating someone only because he is a KHAZAR is stupid.

The key to the WORLD WAR is STUPIDITY.
The CHRISTIANS that support ISRAEL are the
reason why it's still going on.
Lot of GOOD people in Holland support ISRAEL
because they believe that it's the biblical land.

Hardly can watch those tv programs
about CHRISTIAN support for Israel.

And only in hindsight I understand why certain
things happened in my life and why certain
"jewish" people seemed to have troubles with me
although I had no problems with them at all.

When it comes to CAREERS and all that and POWER
one thing is not handy. Being HONEST.

And that lack of HONESTY will KILL us ALL.
And this WAR with IRAN means just THE END. Period.

[krakhead]

Yeah, was drunk yesterday.
Need that once in a while, otherwise the EVIL in
this world is just TOO much to bear.

I live in Holland and Holland must be the most
JEWISH BOOTLICKING country in the world.

There is a reason for that because almost all the jews that lived
in Holland before the war have died.

That is TRUE.
They juggle a lot with numbers but not in the case
of the Dutch jews.

As a result jews in Holland are HOLY.
There only live about 30.000 in Holland but half
of them seem celebs.

One thing in Holland that hugely annoyed me is GERMANS.
Almost all the GERMANS I met were friendly, so I
refuse to give in to that ANTI GERMAN thing they are
forcing upon us. (And most people are)

We are on the brink of the APOCALYPSE now
and ISRAEL is in the centre of it all.

I once counted the amount of programs on TV in
a weekend on all the channels combined about the holocaust
and it was just staggering.

And always JEWS are NOBLE and GERMAN are BEASTS.

It's just insane to see so much HATE against
the Germans. And in GERMANY itself it's almost even worse.

Why are they showing ANTI GERMAN movies in their own
country all the time?
A politician that asked questions about ISRAEL, Molleman,
was killed. Just a little warning.

And now we will have WORLD WAR.
Only because people REFUSE to talk the TRUTH about ISRAEL.

And of course I don't hate JEWS.
I am not in the business of HATING. Hate kills you.
Hating someone only because he is a KHAZAR is stupid.

The key to the WORLD WAR is STUPIDITY.
The CHRISTIANS that support ISRAEL are the
reason why it's still going on.
Lot of GOOD people in Holland support ISRAEL
because they believe that it's the biblical land.

Hardly can watch those tv programs
about CHRISTIAN support for Israel.

And only in hindsight I understand why certain
things happened in my life and why certain
"jewish" people seemed to have troubles with me
although I had no problems with them at all.

When it comes to CAREERS and all that and POWER
one thing is not handy. Being HONEST.

And that lack of HONESTY will KILL us ALL.
And this WAR with IRAN means just THE END. Period.

Within that were some ideas I agree with you. At last! ;)

The Israeli influence within Washington has skewed, beyond repair I feel, any hope of a 'truce' within the middle east region.

Iran are next on the hit list, they're making that clearer every day.

But I still remain (overly?) optimistic that even if a war with Iran DOES come to pass, there will still be hope, it may be the straw that breaks the public's back and people REALLY begin to make their feelings known and refuse to be pushed around anymore.

I suspect this to be the reason behind the increasing control/surveillance situation we are finding ourselves in - 'they' know that people will only remain quiet for SO long.

Hope you're hangover's not too bad this morning! :)

[tintin]

Within that were some ideas I agree with you. At last! ;)

The Israeli influence within Washington has skewed, beyond repair I feel, any hope of a 'truce' within the middle east region.

Iran are next on the hit list, they're making that clearer every day.

But I still remain (overly?) optimistic that even if a war with Iran DOES come to pass, there will still be hope, it may be the straw that breaks the public's back and people REALLY begin to make their feelings known and refuse to be pushed around anymore.

I suspect this to be the reason behind the increasing control/surveillance situation we are finding ourselves in - 'they' know that people will only remain quiet for SO long.

Hope you're hangover's not too bad this morning! :)

Hey Krakhead,
I have to watch out.
I am starting to like you! ;)

[krakhead]

Hey Krakhead,
I have to watch out.
I am starting to like you! ;)

LOL! Now that WILL be the start of END TIMES! :p

[friendsinthesky]

I live in Holland and Holland must be the most
JEWISH BOOTLICKING country in the world.


G'day tintin, I'm curious about your plans of moving to Australia, have you made any?

[tintin]

G'day tintin, I'm curious about your plans of moving to Australia, have you made any?

Yeah, I am planning to move to Australia.
For that to happen though I need support of
my family.

They need to WAKE UP.
See, the APOCALYPSE is coming but
most people don't care as long as it's not in THEIR BACKYARD.

Same with my family. They think EUROPE
is the center of the world. With all the "culture" and
that sort of thing.

But a few things will happen THAT WILL WAKE THEM UP.
First of all the FINANCIAL system will COLLAPSE TOTALLY.
Not just a bit, no COMPLETELY.

And we will have WARS.

The whole north will SINK like the TITANIC.
With my family it's the same as with most people.
They only LEARN THE HARD WAY. (includes me as well)

It's the same as with HEAVY SMOKERS.
Only when the doctor tells you you will
DIE within A YEAR (or something) then people are
ready to quit smoking.

Same with me. Have run into a lot of troubles because
of my drinking habits, but I still haven't learned my lesson.
So no need to JUDGE people if they also have to learn the HARD WAY.

And seeing is believing.
once you have seen AUSTRALIA, you will BELIEVE.
Have been in Victoria a few weeks.
Stunning land. Just incredible.
Maybe house prices will drop in Australia
as well because of the global crisis.
That should be the right moment to buy a
piece of the AUSTRALIAN DREAM......

Based on the symbolism the BIG ONE is close.
This week I saw a SUNFLOWER on the cover of NEWSWEEK.
SUNFLOWERS stand for NUKES.

http://ndn.newsweek.com/media/74/080628_OVCOVER_atl-thumb4.jpg

Bit difficult to see but a SUNFLOWER.
Another one of those bad omens. And they are
coming in droves now.....

[friendsinthesky]

And seeing is believing.
once you have seen AUSTRALIA, you will BELIEVE.
Have been in Victoria a few weeks.
Stunning land. Just incredible.
Maybe house prices will drop in Australia
as well because of the global crisis.
That should be the right moment to buy a
piece of the AUSTRALIAN DREAM......



Plenty of infrastructure going on in Victoria. And that's part of the plan, when the price of petrol exceeds ridiculous cost per litre people will find themselves confined to their local community and unable/unaffordable to travel.

[coastguard]

[QUOTE=tintin;416976]And always JEWS are NOBLE and GERMAN are BEASTS.

It's just insane to see so much HATE against
the Germans. And in GERMANY itself it's almost even worse.

Why are they showing ANTI GERMAN movies in their own
country all the time?

[sithnemesis]

WorldNetDaily
War with Iran is imminent
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: January 08, 2007
1:00 am Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2008


In addition to moving additional military forces into the region, President Bush is putting into place a new political and military command team, all in preparation for an expanded war in the Middle East.
We have already noted that the USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) aircraft carrier battle group is heading to the Persian Gulf to join the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) aircraft carrier battle group currently on station there.

Additionally, the USS Boxer (LHD 4) amphibious assault ship, the flagship of the Boxer Expeditionary Strike Group, is on station in the Persian Gulf. On January 4, 2007, the USS Bataan (LHD 5), the command ship of the Bataan Expeditionary Strike Group, departed from Norfolk, Va., headed for forward deployment. Typically, we would expect the USS Bataan to replace the USS Boxer in normal rotation. Even if that is the destination of the USS Bataan, we would have two amphibious strike forces in the Gulf as the rotation is completed.

Along with each carrier attack group comes a fleet of 12 ships, including two guided missile-cruisers, generally Ticonderoga-class, two guided missile destroyers, generally Arleigh Burke-class, and an attack submarine that is usually Los Angeles-class.

U.S. Admiral William J. Fallon, head of U.S. Pacific Command is taking over as the top commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, following the retirement of Gen. John Abizaid. The transition of command from the Army to the Navy should be noted, especially with this much naval power concentrating in the Gulf. We should also note that Admiral Fallon has command experience in the 1991 Gulf War, where he commanded the Carrier Air Wing Eight on the USS Theodore Roosevelt during Operation Desert Storm. In 1995, he was the Commander of the U.S. Sixth Fleet battle force supporting NATO's Operation Deliberate Force in Bosnia. He is considered one of the Navy's top commanders in combined forces operations and an expert in amphibious landings.

Quietly, the Bush administration is changing the entire command structure in the Middle East. The U.S. top commander in Iraq, Gen. George Casey is being replaced by Gen. David Petraeus. During Operation Iraqi Freedom, Gen.Petraeus commanded the famed 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), leading the ''Screaming Eagles'' in combat. Following that, he commanded the Multi-National Security Transition Command in Iraq, assuming responsibility for training Iraqi forces. Petraeus is on record supporting a five-brigade expansion of U.S. forces in Iraq, in direct contrast to Gen. Casey, who expressed skepticism that increasing U.S. troop levels in Iraq would help stabilize the country. The political deck shuffling also reflects a Bush administration decision to expand the war in the Middle East.

Immediately following the Republican Party electoral defeat in Nov. 2006, Bush announced that Robert Gates would be nominated to replace Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. In 1987, Gates withdrew his nomination to become Director of the CIA because of a controversy that had developed concerning his role in the Iran-Contra affair.

Credentials in the Iran-Contra affair seem right now to be a plus in the White House. John Negroponte is being moved from Director of National Intelligence to being the top deputy at the State Department to Condoleezza Rice. During Iran-Contra, Negroponte was U.S. ambassador to Honduras, where he encouraged the expansion of U.S. military and intelligence presence in Central America. Replacing Negroponte as Director of National Intelligence is Admiral Mike McConnell, who served as the intelligence officer of the Joint Chiefs during Operation Desert Storm.

Maybe the best way to understand the Iraq Study Group (ISG) is that it was only Round One, George H. W. Bush's attempt to get his old team together to convince his son to abandon Iraq. The ISG included both James Baker III, Reagan's chief of staff who advised that Iran-Contra could well be illegal and might lead to impeachment, as well as Edwin Meese, who as Reagan's attorney general lead what amounted to a whitewash internal investigation of Iran-Contra. Baker typically represents the Council on Foreign Relations line on the Middle East – protect the oil, use military sparingly, and abandon Israel to Arab oil interests whenever possible. With this approach having been rejected by George W. Bush, the next alternative, Round Two, was for George H. W. Bush to bring in key hawks from the Iran-Contra days, to implement his son's expansion of the war.

Much of the plan for an Iraq surge in force seems to originate from Frederick Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute, whose report, ''A Plan for Success in Iraq,'' has been joined by retired Gen. Jack Keane. Kagan is a military historian who has taught at West Point. Gen. Keane was a career Army paratrooper (featured in Tom Clancy's book, ''Airborne''), who rose to being vice chief of staff of the Army.

Notably, one AEI expert on Iran who is not being consulted by the Bush administration is Michael Ledeen, whose Iran-Contra credentials are also quite strong. Ledeen has continuously argued that we could produce peaceful change in Iran, if only the Bush administration would define regime-change as our policy in Iran and the State Department would release the millions Congress has allocated to support non-governmental organizations around the world who would work toward the regime-change objective.

If President Bush were truly to follow Ronald Reagan's example with the ex-Soviet Union, he would support Michael Ledeen's objectives, while stepping up military pressure in the region. I continue to press for implementing Michael Ledeen's strategy of creating Ukraine-like peaceful change from within Iran, although truthfully I fear the window for that happening may have passed.

President Bush may feel he has no alternative but to push military options in the Middle East. Following the Iraq Study Group's advice and staging a military withdrawal from Iraq could well support a Democratic effort in Congress to investigate the Iraq War as a prelude to impeachment. We should also note that Harriet Miers has resigned as White House counsel, setting the stage for Bush to bring in a lawyer with heavy duty Washington credentials in fending off hostile investigations.

Also somewhat cornered right now is Ehud Olmert, Israel's prime minister. Olmert, like Bush, is experiencing a level of low public opinion that typically precedes removal from office. Olmert has consistently lost public favor by following the White House ''roadmap to peace,'' which has involved an old James Baker plan calling for Israel to cede territory to the Palestinians in exchange for peace. Condi Rice, a James Baker prot?g?, has gotten nowhere following this plan for two years, only to see Hamas control the Palestinian Authority and launch rockets back on Israel from the newly-returned Gaza Strip. Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, a strong opponent of the Ahmadinejad regime in Iran, and the Likud Party would welcome a vote of no-confidence in the Knesset and a call for new elections.

Ahmadinejad himself is the third leader in this drama who may well be on a short leash. Having just lost a round of local elections throughout Iran, Ahmadinejad finds himself facing once again student protests in the street. Ahmadinejad has pursued nuclear weapons and funding terrorist groups including Hezbollah and now also Hamas, rather than keeping his campaign promise to return oil wealth to the people of Iran. The Iranian parliament has moved up the date for the presidential election by one year. Now, with Supreme Leader Khamanei dying of cancer, there may soon be a fight in the Assembly of Experts to see if former president Rafsanjani can wrest control away from Ahmadinejad and his spiritual leader Ayatollah Hasbah-Yazdi, a chief adherent of the belief that the Twelfth Imam, the Mahdi, will soon come out of the well from centuries-long occlusion to lead Shi'ite Islam in worldwide triumph.

The one wild card that would change the equation would be an aggressive move by Iran. Should Iran launch a cruise missile at a U.S. Navy ship in the Gulf, we will have war right now. Should an Iranian missile sink a U.S. carrier, the U.S. population would experience another 9/11 moment. At that point, a massive U.S.-led military strike on Iran would become inevitable. Would President Bush provoke Iran to make just such a move? A pre-emptive strike on Iran would never be approved by a Democratic Congress, but U.S. massive retaliation for a serious act of war by Iran would be a totally different matter.

Truthfully, we are already at war with Iran. My concern stems from the realization that the internal politics in Iran may be such that Ahmadinejad cannot allow a massive U.S. military build-up in the region without making some kind of a response. With Iraq's borders as open as is our southern border with Mexico, Iran has now sent into Iraq a sufficient number of terrorists and arms to create a real civil war. Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi militia, which featured so prominent in the Shi'ite rejoicing that reduced Saddam's hanging to a partisan event, is an Iran-funded creation. Ahmadinejad cannot afford to see a strengthened U.S. military destroy Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi army.

If a broader war breaks out in Iraq, Olmert will certainly face pressure to send the Israel military into the Gaza after Hamas and into Lebanon after Hezbollah. If that happens, it will only be a matter of time before Israel and the U.S. have no choice but to invade Syria. The Iraq war could quickly spin into a regional war, with Israel waiting on the sidelines ready to launch an air and missile strike on Iran that could include tactical nuclear weapons.

With Russia ready to deliver the $1 billion TOR M-1 surface-to-air missile defense system to Iran, military leaders are unwilling to wait too long to attack Iran. Now that Russia and China have invited Iran to join their Shanghai Cooperation Pact, will Russia and China sit by idly should the U.S. look like we are winning a wider regional war in the Middle East? If we get more deeply involved in Iraq, China may have their moment to go after Taiwan once and for all. A broader regional war could easily lead into a third world war, much as World Wars I and II began.

OH SHYTE...

[sithnemesis]

:o

[anglosaxon]

This is all a setup. Both sides are puppets as per usual. Check out this:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_rqH4fUbko2U/SHXZdroES6I/AAAAAAAAH0w/DwMqd6QUJN0/s400/IranMissilePhotoshop4.jpg

With commendable speed, Little Green Footballs is on the case, pointing out that at least one of the missile photographs released by the Iranians has been photoshopped – with liberal use of the "clone" tool.

Funny enough, that is precisely the photograph that The Daily Telegraph - one of the many newspapers which walked into Qanagate, eyes wide shut - has used in its print edition, to illustrate its story. However, the text by Caroline Wheeler is very guarded: "Nine missiles were reported fired …" and, "The launch included a reportedly improved Shahab-3 missile …".

I am minded of the epic 60's TV series, the "Telegoons". There was one famous episode when Neddy wanted to rob a bank but did not have a gun. In a hilarious sequence, he took along a colour photograph of a gun … and the bank gave him a colour photograph of some money!

One suspects that the Israelis might have something more in mind than colour photographs of some F-15s, and will not be photoshopping them to multiply their effect. And nor will they be content with colour photographs of bomb craters.

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2008/07/funny-that.html


Iran didn't test fire loads of missiles. Only a handful, and then that may well have been last year. This is a war that has been planned by both sides. The media is playing us.

[littlemisspunkyfish]

hello everyone on here, im new here (i did post on the newbies thread)-
ive just got in after being on the main road and theres sunflowers going really cheap (£1) loads of them!!....the only reason i didnt buy one is coz i had my hands full!
do you think its a sign?...or does it have to be on the tv??
someones selling them at a florist and it is summer???

i find this forum very interesting...i hope to god we are all wrong (ok, maybe about the sunflowers) but something tells me we're not..its becoming undeniable (if you have a brain, eh?)
thanks all:o

[cheeb]

hello everyone on here, im new here (i did post on the newbies thread)-
ive just got in after being on the main road and theres sunflowers going really cheap (£1) loads of them!!....the only reason i didnt buy one is coz i had my hands full!
do you think its a sign?...or does it have to be on the tv??
someones selling them at a florist and it is summer???

i find this forum very interesting...i hope to god we are all wrong (ok, maybe about the sunflowers) but something tells me we're not..its becoming undeniable (if you have a brain, eh?)
thanks all:o

Going Off Topic A Bit...
Sunflowers And Nukes

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5554/sunflowerai4.jpg

Sunflowers Have Been Adopted World Wide,
As A Symbol Against Nuclear War,
And A New Symbol For Peace....

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6008/nothankscf4.png
No Thanks Nuclear Sunflower...

Now Because We Are In The Orwellian Mindset...

Where:

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2913/warispeaceai1.gif

Lets Take A Look At The Other Peace Symbol..:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2627/peacesymbolax8.gif

The Todesrune...

Throughout the last 2,000 years this symbol has designated hatred of Christians. Nero, who despised Christians, crucified the Apostle Peter on a cross head downward. This hideous event resembled the Teutonic cross and became a popular pagan insignia of the day. Thereafter, this sign became known as the 'Neronic cross.'

"The symbol's origin in history proves it to be the visual mystic character for 'Aum' (the split 'Y'). This is the sacred word to the Hindu. Chanting 'Aum' is supposed to help awaken 'the serpent power of Brahma' at the base of the human spine. Occultist Albert Pike also identifies this symbol as mystical in his book on Freemasonry Morals and Dogma.

The peace symbol (also called the "broken cross," "crow's foot," "witch's foot," "Nero Cross," "sign of the 'broken Jew,'" and the "symbol of the 'anti-Christ''') is actually a cross with the arms broken. It also signifies the "gesture of despair," and the "death of man.''

"The Germanic tribes who used it attributed strange and mystical properties to the sign. Such a 'rune' is said to have been used by 'black magicians' in pagan incantations and condemnations....To this very day the inverted broken cross--identical to the socialists' 'peace' symbol--is known in Germany as a 'todersrune,' or death rune. Not only was it ordered by Hitler's National Socialists that it must appear on German death notices, but it was part of the official inscription prescribed for the gravestones of Nazi officers of the dread SS. The symbol suited Nazi emphasis on pagan mysticism

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8963/peacesignreversedkw7.gif

there have been claims that the symbol has older,
occult or anti-christian associations and that it
was a ‘symbol of death’.
this fifth century illustration depicts st.peter crucified
upside-down. the inverted crucifix was known for
centuries as the‘nero cross’ from the roman reign
of the emperor nero (54-68 A.D.)
in the middle ages the ‘nero cross’ was adapted
in satanists rituals.
it can also be seen as composed of a tyr rune,
or by the rune, turned upside down
(in german ‘todesrune’/ the rune of death.)


Make Up Your Own Mind.......

:eek:

[3stepsahead]

it is NOT a tyr rune
but as described as algiz, wich was z and became r later on (uncertain) in wiki

It is also inverted wci means its completely different or opposite value.

the tyr rune is known as T

[tintin]

Going Off Topic A Bit...
Sunflowers And Nukes

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5554/sunflowerai4.jpg

Sunflowers Have Been Adopted World Wide,
As A Symbol Against Nuclear War,
And A New Symbol For Peace....

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6008/nothankscf4.png
No Thanks Nuclear Sunflower...


Lets Take A Look At The Other Peace Symbol..:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2627/peacesymbolax8.gif

The Todesrune...

Throughout the last 2,000 years this symbol has designated hatred of Christians. Nero, who despised Christians, crucified the Apostle Peter on a cross head downward. This hideous event resembled the Teutonic cross and became a popular pagan insignia of the day. Thereafter, this sign became known as the 'Neronic cross.'

"The symbol's origin in history proves it to be the visual mystic character for 'Aum' (the split 'Y'). This is the sacred word to the Hindu. Chanting 'Aum' is supposed to help awaken 'the serpent power of Brahma' at the base of the human spine. Occultist Albert Pike also identifies this symbol as mystical in his book on Freemasonry Morals and Dogma.

The peace symbol (also called the "broken cross," "crow's foot," "witch's foot," "Nero Cross," "sign of the 'broken Jew,'" and the "symbol of the 'anti-Christ''') is actually a cross with the arms broken. It also signifies the "gesture of despair," and the "death of man.''

"The Germanic tribes who used it attributed strange and mystical properties to the sign. Such a 'rune' is said to have been used by 'black magicians' in pagan incantations and condemnations....To this very day the inverted broken cross--identical to the socialists' 'peace' symbol--is known in Germany as a 'todersrune,' or death rune. Not only was it ordered by Hitler's National Socialists that it must appear on German death notices, but it was part of the official inscription prescribed for the gravestones of Nazi officers of the dread SS. The symbol suited Nazi emphasis on pagan mysticism

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8963/peacesignreversedkw7.gif

there have been claims that the symbol has older,
occult or anti-christian associations and that it
was a ‘symbol of death’.
this fifth century illustration depicts st.peter crucified
upside-down. the inverted crucifix was known for
centuries as the‘nero cross’ from the roman reign
of the emperor nero (54-68 A.D.)
in the middle ages the ‘nero cross’ was adapted
in satanists rituals.
it can also be seen as composed of a tyr rune,
or by the rune, turned upside down
(in german ‘todesrune’/ the rune of death.)


Make Up Your Own Mind.......

:eek:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Vincent_Willem_van_Gogh_128.jpg/479px-Vincent_Willem_van_Gogh_128.jpg

SUNFLOWERS and Van Gogh.

Van Gogh has all kinds of interesting links.
And here is one of them.

http://www.sineport.com/poster/2001/amelie.jpg

I have posted a lot about this girl and this movie.
AUDREY TATOU is all about CODES.
She played in the DA VINCI CODE.

The DESTINY of AMELIE is a CODE movie.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Caf%C3%A8_Deux_Mulin.jpg/800px-Caf%C3%A8_Deux_Mulin.jpg

This was the PUB in the movie where she worked.

RUE LEPIC

LES DEUX MOULINS in the RUE LEPIC.
When NICOLE KIDMAN had her baby on 7 JULY, on that same date
DUMOULIN won the stage in the TOUR DE FRANCE.

NICOLE KIDMAN and AUDREY TAUTOU are both CHANEL girls.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/76/013_ST2866~Moulin-Rouge-Posters.jpg

TAUTOU and KIDMAN not
only share CHANEL (nr 5) but
also MOULINS

TAUTOU and TATTOO. The MARK of the BEAST.

Here SUNFLOWER painter van GOGH comes in.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Paris_rue_lepic_54.jpg

Vincent and Theo van
GOGH lived in the RUE
LEPIC number [B]54

The same RUE LEPIC in PARIS where AMELIE worked.
And there is the NUKE link.
TIBBETS was born the 54th day.

THEO VAN GOGH, family of Vincent, the
filmaker, was shot dead in AMSTERDAM a few years ago.
KIRK DOUGLAS played VAN GOGH and he comes from AMSTERDAM N.Y.

911 days before VAN GOGH was killed PIM FORTUYN was killed
in HOLLAND. Dutch Kennedy.

AUDREY TAUTOU was born on 9 AUGUST.
The NAGASAKI date. Nukes and SUNFLOWERS.....

[peterjohnglynn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKDDhGuTmRg

[vera susa]

Plenty of infrastructure going on in Victoria. And that's part of the plan, when the price of petrol exceeds ridiculous cost per litre people will find themselves confined to their local community and unable/unaffordable to travel.

Ah yes, but those RURAL communities
(that we poor BLACKBALLED POVS
have long been confined to), DO NEED
to be BUILT BACK UP, so a PLANNED effect
of high transport costs is more people happy
to have a small business in the country,
rather than trying to 'get rich quick' by
swimming with the SHARKS in the cities.

For instance, a friend's car broke down in a
small, rural town with no mechanic.
The following hours of waiting for help,
turned out to be both enlightening and
DELIGHTFUL...attempts at HELP came from
locals ranging from store keepers to little old ladies,
despite us not having money to splash in their town.

But the TIMING was curious again...just before we stopped,
we'd been discussing this very topic of RE-STOCKING RURAL
areas with the skills and trades that had run to the cities,
and how OZ does have enough room for plenty of 'small'
but SPACIOUS and COMPLETE communities of what's NEEDED.

And what was the local current tropic of conversation?

How they NEED another mechanic, plumber, electrician,
etc. and DO have MORE than enough work to keep them
well employed...and with no city traffic to deal with!

[free thinker]

hello everyone on here, im new here (i did post on the newbies thread)-
ive just got in after being on the main road and theres sunflowers going really cheap (£1) loads of them!!....the only reason i didnt buy one is coz i had my hands full!
do you think its a sign?...or does it have to be on the tv??
someones selling them at a florist and it is summer???

i find this forum very interesting...i hope to god we are all wrong (ok, maybe about the sunflowers) but something tells me we're not..its becoming undeniable (if you have a brain, eh?)
thanks all:o

lol...great name:D

[Ian2day]

WAR with IRAN imminent.



Good!

[friendsinthesky]

For instance, a friend's car broke down in a
small, rural town with no mechanic.
The following hours of waiting for help,
turned out to be both enlightening and
DELIGHTFUL...attempts at HELP came from
locals ranging from store keepers to little old ladies,
despite us not having money to splash in their town.

But the TIMING was curious again...just before we stopped,
we'd been discussing this very topic of RE-STOCKING RURAL
areas with the skills and trades that had run to the cities,
and how OZ does have enough room for plenty of 'small'
but SPACIOUS and COMPLETE communities of what's NEEDED.

And what was the local current tropic of conversation?

How they NEED another mechanic, plumber, electrician,
etc. and DO have MORE than enough work to keep them
well employed...and with no city traffic to deal with!

It'll be great to see rural towns florish into 'rural' communities. Having said that, I plan to return to Alice at yr's end and not just for a holiday but to set up and call Alice home.

[hewrote]

No, there is no imminent war with Iran. What IS imminent and apparent is the endless stream of propaganda suggesting that war is imminent.

[red_ram]

There will be no war with Iran in my world. I refuse to have anything to do with it until I have a reason to call Iran my enemy.

I'll decide who my enemy is, no one else.

[tintin]

No, there is no imminent war with Iran. What IS imminent and apparent is the endless stream of propaganda suggesting that war is imminent.

Ha! Thanks, that's the news I was waiting for!!

I just phoned my friends in TEHERAN and
told them there is NOTHING TO WORRY about.

I told them the ISRAELI's wouldn't hurt ONE PERSIAN FLY.
And BUSH is a HARMLESS president.
Told them he occasionally kills a few thousand
of his own people and a few HUNDRED THOUSAND EVIL
MUSLIMS but besides that he is harmless.
Barking dogs never bite!!

Only a few months left this BUSH.
Most HATED president EVER. BY FAR.
He will go out quietly. OK. Killing those AMERICANS
for all the world to see was GREAT, but that's it.

He will retire, have a WALKER BUSH LIBRARY named after him next year
and that's it. And all those other MASS MURDERERS in the administration
will also go quietly, and enjoy their well deserved pensions.

And OBAMA will clean up all the mess!!

[hewrote]

Ha! Thanks, that's the news I was waiting for!!

I just phoned my friends in TEHERAN and
told them there is NOTHING TO WORRY about.

I told them the ISRAELI's wouldn't hurt ONE PERSIAN FLY.
And BUSH is a HARMLESS president.
Told them he occasionally kills a few thousand
of his own people and a few HUNDRED THOUSAND EVIL
MUSLIMS but besides that he is harmless.
Barking dogs never bite!!

Only a few months left this BUSH.
Most HATED president EVER. BY FAR.
He will go out quietly. OK. Killing those AMERICANS
for all the world to see was GREAT, but that's it.

He will retire, have a WALKER BUSH LIBRARY named after him next year
and that's it. And all those other MASS MURDERERS in the administration
will also go quietly, and enjoy their well deserved pensions.

And OBAMA will clean up all the mess!!

well, I doubt that you made those calls. irrelevant anyway. yes, Bush WILL go out quietly. lighten up, there is NO imminent war with Iran!!

[hewrote]

by "imminent", do you mean within the next 3-4 months? I'll see you back here on October 17 2008 at the earliest, Nov.17 2008 at the latest. One of us will be eating our words. I'll bring the salt!!!

[hawk]

You should check out the myspace forum with the news and politics under international news headlines. There's a thread about this iran/ israeli war. This is what people over in America and from other countries are debating now. It is a very good thread. Only catch is you have to be a member for 7 days before you can post anything.
Everyone over there is debating on what Iran's nuclear and military capabilities would be, what israel will do, etc...
Look at the entire thread,and if you can just think about what is being said before you post any thing, if you can, if you already have a myspace account there. I did not post anything, as I am a newbie having just opened up a new account there 4 days now.
But I have to say I love the threads. It will give everyone here some fodder to think about how the other sheep live and what they are thinking.
Americans are worried about this happening because we simply cannot afford another war. Some of these arguments are pretty good. especially Shadow's posts. I urge you to go see what the people on the other side of the pond are debating about, and decide for yourself if we are all just sheep going to the slaughter or can we survive this?
I urge you to find this thread and read it carefully. you will be surprise dat the stupidity of some of the posters,lol.
The ones who support Big Brother are basically screwed as they really have no argument against this. Alot of other people do not want this to happen, fear it will anyway.
Get ready to rake up you back yard and eat it because it might be the only thing you get to eat for a long time.

[antinwo]

This is scary:eek:

[hewrote]

No, it won't get scary until Angelina Jolie is photographed tripping over a paperback novel while eating ice cream as one of her children's shoes "accidentally" falls off.

[brenbren]

I just read that you think a WAR WITH IRAN
is not VIABLE.

BASED on what?

Your own personal intelligence?
The OIL price tells a different story
and that is more TRUSTWORTHY that your
intelligence system.

If you think they are playing GAMES with
those 666 numbers than you'r WRONG.

But continue to believe there will be NO WAR with IRAN.

i think a war in iran is very viable, but i don't know what tptb will do.

attack and risk widespread rioting? mmmmmm i dont think so.

[hewrote]

notice that tintin thinks that the price of oil is more valuable than your own intelligence as a guide to what YOU feel. nice touch!

[kblood]

Another forum is looking into this, and on it I found this (https://secure.gn.apc.org/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=79&start=150&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=):

Asia Times says Bush will attack Iran in August 2008. There are also rumblings in the US. Of course, this is likely disinformation date wise, but as I`ve said before, this period building upto the US election is key. McCain will make war, Obama and Clinton will withdraw from Iraq, of course, this is a lie.

Either way, Bush lights the fire before the election and leaves an inheritance. Or, the new president will be baptised in a font of NWO terror.

So it might happen next month. Anyone who can confirm that "Asia Times" has wrote this? Dont know what it is, although it sounds like a newspaper.

[diamond dogs]

Another forum is looking into this, and on it I found this (https://secure.gn.apc.org/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=79&start=150&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=):



So it might happen next month. Anyone who can confirm that "Asia Times" has wrote this? Dont know what it is, although it sounds like a newspaper.

Yes indeed they have kblood


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE28Ak01.html

[halftheworldaway]

Today's meeting in Geneva that involved Iran and a US diplomat amongst others seems to have achieved zilch judging from this Reuters report.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-34590720080719?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

[lightworks]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[hewrote]

That the USA's and Israel's administrations are crazy is reasonable, but they are NOT insane enough to launch an imminent attack on Iran. I'll stand by that assertion as I think that some of you actually WANT to see this attack transpire.

[littlemisspunkyfish]

I definetly wouldnt want to see it happen- i hope to God it dosent- i think they'll just carry on taking the scenic route for now. but how do we know how crazy they are? someone else also said that to me..that they're not that stupid. i hope so.:)

[kblood]

Yes indeed they have kblood


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE28Ak01.html

Thanks. That is interesting. As mentioned earlier in the thread I think, it has been mentioned earlier that the rumours of a war planned against Iran was already in the making while they where attacking Iraq.

A few posts earlier in this thread is also a list of countries that has no national dept to the central banks or world bank. This makes them harder to control for people like the Rothschilds. The Rothschilds are without question the main reason Israel ever became a country again, which is proven by the Balfour Declaration. Which interesting enough was written almost 20 years before WW2, after which they reminded Brittain about that arrangement.

Today's meeting in Geneva that involved Iran and a US diplomat amongst others seems to have achieved zilch judging from this Reuters report.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-34590720080719?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

This report is rather one sided isnt it? Well, it could be because Reuters is a western news station... or whatever its called. Or it could be that Reuters was bought by the Rothschilds bank in the 1800 something. So any news written here is obviously written with intent to get on the side of "good", which is the US.

That the USA's and Israel's administrations are crazy is reasonable, but they are NOT insane enough to launch an imminent attack on Iran. I'll stand by that assertion as I think that some of you actually WANT to see this attack transpire.

Well, of course they arent insane, if they were they probably would have attacked already. They are morally insane though it seems, and the only thing keeping them from attacking I think, is public and political oppinion.

Still Iran is on their list, and one way or the other they will try to attack their economy untill they finally accept peace. To accept peace they will of course have to accept US influence inside Iran and accept "aid" with their infrastructure through loans in the world bank or some other central bank controlled by the Rothschilds.

Maybe we can stop them from making this war, but they are most of all waiting for Iran to make some kind of stupid move to have an excuse for making another war. The US will always have enough money to make war, because the Rothschilds and their fellow bankers cant afford to not have war.

When have there ever been 5 years of peace these last 200 years?

[steevo]

Using myself as an example here, I have noticed that when the media FIRST mentioned invading/bombing Iran, I was absolutely horrified and ANGRY. Now that time has gone on and it has been discussed and reported all over the mainstream media and everywhere else, I have SORT of HALF ACCEPTED that it might happen. THAT is why they do the big build up to it in the media. It REALLY DOES soften us up. So just imagine what the sheeple do when the get bombarded EVERY DAY with this BS in the media, they probably SUPPORT the fucking war, the daft c*nts!:mad:

If the Illuminati give the go ahead to invade/bomb Iran, this is gonna annoy a fucking lot of people so if they do it, then THAT act of pure evil is gonna be the first BIG STEP in the downfall of the ILLUMINATI COWARDS and their evil agenda. Watch out Illuminati BASTARDS! We know what is going on now and it's gonna be stopped. Keep doing what youre doing Illuminati, because each step brings you closer to your downfall.

Sorry to rant but.....:o

[kblood]

I still think a one world government would make the Illuminati easier to take down than the way it is now. As it is now it could survive like a Hydra, cut off one head and another comes forth, with NWO going on, the heads would or at least should be easier to find.

Also working at a call center, I heard one of the simple secrets to control the customers as a supporter. Its often because we cant help them and for their own good, but to make sure they understand, we just keep mentioning the same answer over and over a few times, and you can hear they at first are very angry and then they begin to accept it and finally accepts it. You just have to repeat yourself enough times, and maybe change what you are saying a bit each time.

The same thing is done on a mass scale by the media. Is vitamins really that healthy? Is ecological food really more nuitricious? At first they ask these as questions and come up with scientific studies to show it isnt really the cure for all diseases, and then bit by bit, they might even get some of us to believe it can actually make us sick, instead of bolster our immune system.

[free thinker]

Using myself as an example here, I have noticed that when the media FIRST mentioned invading/bombing Iran, I was absolutely horrified and ANGRY. Now that time has gone on and it has been discussed and reported all over the mainstream media and everywhere else, I have SORT of HALF ACCEPTED that it might happen. THAT is why they do the big build up to it in the media. It REALLY DOES soften us up. So just imagine what the sheeple do when the get bombarded EVERY DAY with this BS in the media, they probably SUPPORT the fucking war, the daft c*nts!:mad:

If the Illuminati give the go ahead to invade/bomb Iran, this is gonna annoy a fucking lot of people so if they do it, then THAT act of pure evil is gonna be the first BIG STEP in the downfall of the ILLUMINATI COWARDS and their evil agenda. Watch out Illuminati BASTARDS! We know what is going on now and it's gonna be stopped. Keep doing what youre doing Illuminati, because each step brings you closer to your downfall.

Sorry to rant but.....:o

Your observation may well turn out to be true, i for one will be interested to see what the response will be?:D

....after all it is well known 'Communication' is the FIRST Target in any war, so why not pull the plug on our ability to discuss it?.....to judge reaction maybe??:eek:

[ninorc]

That the USA's and Israel's administrations are crazy is reasonable, but they are NOT insane enough to launch an imminent attack on Iran. I'll stand by that assertion as I think that some of you actually WANT to see this attack transpire.Did you miss (all the reaction to) Benny Morris writing in the New York Times last Friday (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/opinion/18morris.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=Benny%20Morris%5C&st=cse&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)? He says: 'ISRAEL will almost surely attack Iran’s nuclear sites in the next four to seven months — and the leaders in Washington and even Tehran should hope that the attack will be successful enough to cause at least a significant delay in the Iranian production schedule, if not complete destruction, of that country’s nuclear program. Because if the attack fails, the Middle East will almost certainly face a nuclear war — either through a subsequent pre-emptive Israeli nuclear strike or a nuclear exchange shortly after Iran gets the bomb.' What freaks commentators out (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/benny-morris-justifies-is_b_113725.html) is that your man, Benny, is a member if the Israeli intelligentsia and yet he is insane enough to write in the Op-ed pages of the New York Times that Israel needs to bomb Iran and the sooner the better.

[amerigirl]

This is probably not good :confused:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080724/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_iran
Iran ends cooperation with UN nuclear arms probe

By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 24, 5:16 PM ET

VIENNA, Austria - Iran signaled Thursday that it will no longer cooperate with U.N. experts probing for signs of clandestine nuclear weapons work, confirming the investigation is at a dead end a year after it began.

The announcement from Iranian Vice President Gholam Reza Aghazadeh compounded skepticism about denting Tehran's nuclear defiance, just five days after Tehran stonewalled demands from six world powers that it halt activities capable of producing the fissile core of warheads.

Besides demanding a suspension of uranium enrichment — a process that can create both fuel for nuclear reactors and payloads for atomic bombs — the six powers have been pressing Tehran to cooperate with the International Atomic Energy Agency's probe.

Iran, which is obligated as a signer of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty not to develop nuclear arms, raised suspicions about its intentions when it admitted in 2002 that it had run a secret nuclear program for nearly two decades in violation of its commitment.

The Tehran regime insists it halted such work and is now only trying to produce fuel for nuclear reactors to generate electricity. It agreed on a "work plan" with the Vienna-based IAEA a year ago for U.N. inspectors to look into allegations Iran is still doing weapons work.

At the time, IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei hailed it as "a significant step forward" that would fill in the missing pieces of Tehran's nuclear jigsaw puzzle — if honored by Iran. He brushed aside suggestions Iran was using the deal as a smoke screen to deflect attention from its continued defiance of a U.N. Security Council demand for a halt to uranium enrichment.

The investigation ran into trouble just months after being launched. Deadline after deadline was extended because of Iranian foot-dragging. The probe, originally meant to be completed late last year, spilled into the first months of 2008, and beyond.

Iran remains defiant. It dismisses as fabricated the evidence supplied by the U.S. and other members of the IAEA's governing board purportedly backing allegations that Iranians continue to work on nuclear weapons.

Officials say that among the evidence given to the IAEA are what seem to be Iranian draft plans to refit missiles with nuclear warheads; explosives tests that could be used to develop a nuclear detonator; and a drawing showing how to mold uranium metal into the shape of warheads. There are also questions about links between Iran's military and civilian nuclear facilities.

On Thursday, Aghazadeh appeared to signal that his country was no longer prepared even to discuss the issue with the IAEA.

Investigating such allegations "is outside the domain of the agency," he said after meeting with ElBaradei. Any further queries on the issue "will be dealt with in another way," he said, without going into detail.

Britain, one of those suspicious of Iran's nuclear activities, was critical.

"We are concerned by reports that Iran is refusing to cooperate with the IAEA on allegations over nuclear weapons," the British Foreign Office said in a statement. "The IAEA has raised serious concerns over Iran's activities with a possible military dimension. If Iran is serious about restoring international confidence in its intentions, it must address these issues."

The IAEA asked in vain for explanations from Iran, and its last report in May said Iran might be withholding information on whether it tried to make nuclear arms. Reflecting ElBaradei's frustration, the report used language described by one senior U.N. official as unique in its direct criticism of Tehran.

Aghazadeh's comments Thursday appeared to jibe with those of diplomats familiar with the probe who told The Associated Press that the IAEA had run into a dead end.

A senior diplomat on Thursday attributed Tehran's intransigence in part to anger over a multimedia presentation by IAEA Deputy Director-General Olli Heinonen to the agency's 35 board members based on intelligence about the alleged weapons work. The diplomat, like others, agreed to discuss the matter only if not quoted by name because his information was confidential.

Tehran dismisses the suspicions of the U.S. and allies, and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday again vowed that his country would not "retreat one iota" from pursuing uranium enrichment.

On Saturday, a U.S. diplomat had participated in talks with Iran held in Geneva, raising expectations that a compromise might be reached under which Iran would agree to temporarily stop expansion of enrichment activities. In exchange, the six world powers — the U.S., Germany, Britain, France, Russia and China — would hold off on adopting new U.N. sanctions against Iran.

But participants at Geneva said Iranian negotiators skirted the freeze issue despite the presence of U.S. Undersecretary of State William Burns.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Monday accused Iran of not being serious at the Geneva talks. She warned that all six nations were serious about a two-week deadline for Iran to agree to freeze suspect activities and start negotiations or else be hit with a fourth set of U.N. penalties.

Aghazadeh, who is also head of Iran's atomic agency, played down the international complaints, but he also evaded a direct answer on whether Tehran would give any ground on an enrichment freeze.

"Both sides are carefully studying the concerns and expectations of both sides," he told reporters.

[drael]

Well, they dont have the troop for commitment, not without either withdrawing from other countries (afghanistan, iraq and others), or using conscription.

Id say money would be an issue to, america aint doing that well, the extra spending would be a hard sell.

Plus it does look like they are developing wmds - like real ones.

If they do, terrorism will be the new middle eastern religion.

So, i guess they might. But even from there perspective i think it would be majorly dumb.

[sithnemesis]

:mad:

[sithnemesis]

:(

[steevo]

:(

This war isnt about Christians verses Muslims (but the "powers that be" would like you to believe that it is a "them verses us" situation and if you think it's Christians verses Muslims then they will be very happy about that). DIVIDE AND CONQUER and YOU have been well and truly conquered!

[sithnemesis]

B L O O D L I N E S
Obam-A-Khenaton ??

[eyepod]

Did Iraq ever seriously threaten us in the west? Does Iran really pose a threat to our wonderful "western democracy"? And what about those damn Afgan Taliban? They had the audacity to stop our profitable heroin and opium trade! The olde elite didn't get where they are today from shirking their drug dealing responsibilities.

Which countries don't have a privatelty owned, magical money printing, national bank owned by the Rothschilds? Have a guess - Iraq? (no thats owned now and so is the oil), Afganistan (same story + oil pipeline + heroin) that leaves Iran, Libya and North Korea (don't pick on them though they got nukes). And what about those damn Venezualans - they are taking the piss with all their new found oil and snubbing of the almighty $ - later chaps, you will be absorbed into the union.

Pakistan, India and North Korea all have Nuclear weapons - are we going after that "axis of evil"? Nope - cause a wise bully only picks on and steals the lunch money of those that won't give him a pasteing back.

Go back a few years and it was anglo-saxons who created this whole shit storm in the Middle East. Kuwait was once part of Iraq until the British carved it up for oil. What we call Israel was once part of Palestine, until the British carved it up after WWII. Oh who is back with their giant shit stirrer? anglo-saxons. It's all about oil, drugs, cash, Big Macs, appocalypse and the NWO.

Iran's not going to be a walk in the park I think. The bully will end up getting a pasteing back if he is not careful. If we're part of NATO then we're the bullies. This all does not bode well for normal humans.

[phonicboom]

Did Iraq ever seriously threaten us in the west?

nope but cheney threatened it

http://www.infowars.com/?p=3681

"Cheney, Neocons Considered Killing Americans in Pretext to Attack Iran "

[phonicboom]

very interesting... maybe the USA / Oil want it but Europe may get to call against..

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/061008_secret_agenda.htm

Bilderberg skeptical of attack on Iran

Tucker's source told him that Secretary of Defense Robert Gates did attend Bilderberg despite him not appearing on the official list.

Tucker said that his sources told him Gates was in attendance to present his case for war with Iran, but that the majority of Bilderberg members were against an attack at this time.

"The Europeans were generally opposed to an invasion of Iran - Gates made the regular war propaganda drill about how Iran is a nuclear threat to everybody," said Tucker, adding that European Bilderbergers made snide comments about where such nuclear weapons actually were being kept and at one point joking that they were possibly "in Saddam Hussein's tomb".

Despite Bilderberg opposition, Tucker said that the administration was still considering an attack before Bush leaves office in January.

"At least 90 per cent of the Europeans oppose a war, probably closer to 100 per cent," said Tucker, adding, "most of the Americans were passive and deferential to the Secretary of Defense and Condoleezza Rice's pitch in so far as Iran is concerned".

Tucker said that most Americans present at the meeting were opposed to attacking Iran but dare not be as visible and loud in their opposition as the Europeans.

[amethyst]

Massive US Naval Armada Heads to Iran

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32772

[loderlive]

Why is everyone trying to manifest this war instead of thinking POSITIVELY it isnt going to happen:mad:

Nifty:cool:

Absolutely, I see it captures the imagination but for what use I don't know.

[amethyst]

Absolutely, I see it captures the imagination but for what use I don't know.

You can think "positively" till the cows come home......

But this is REALITY.

[loderlive]

I can't wait for you to accuse me of being homosexual again............

LoL

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1825651_232323CapricePosters.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)And I'm sorry I don't follow your "the world is fucked" ethos. Yes, bad things are happening, I happen to be more optimistic about how it will all resolve.

C'mon, let's hug :)

YES!

[jos08]

Did Iraq ever seriously threaten us in the west? Does Iran really pose a threat to our wonderful "western democracy"? And what about those damn Afgan Taliban? They had the audacity to stop our profitable heroin and opium trade! The olde elite didn't get where they are today from shirking their drug dealing responsibilities.

Which countries don't have a privatelty owned, magical money printing, national bank owned by the Rothschilds? Have a guess - Iraq? (no thats owned now and so is the oil), Afganistan (same story + oil pipeline + heroin) that leaves Iran, Libya and North Korea (don't pick on them though they got nukes). And what about those damn Venezualans - they are taking the piss with all their new found oil and snubbing of the almighty $ - later chaps, you will be absorbed into the union.

Pakistan, India and North Korea all have Nuclear weapons - are we going after that "axis of evil"? Nope - cause a wise bully only picks on and steals the lunch money of those that won't give him a pasteing back.

Go back a few years and it was anglo-saxons who created this whole shit storm in the Middle East. Kuwait was once part of Iraq until the British carved it up for oil. What we call Israel was once part of Palestine, until the British carved it up after WWII. Oh who is back with their giant shit stirrer? anglo-saxons. It's all about oil, drugs, cash, Big Macs, appocalypse and the NWO.

Iran's not going to be a walk in the park I think. The bully will end up getting a pasteing back if he is not careful. If we're part of NATO then we're the bullies. This all does not bode well for normal humans.

well made point. they are going to a war with Iran sooner or later. its going to happen, there is no way round it. if there is a country in this world that does not believe in so called holocaust then its going to be invaded and told not to say so. Iran is going fight back because as a nation they are very patriotic people and they have values and religious beliefs that tells them that America is the the GREAT EVIL. just like other countries Iranians don't like their government and they very critical of their countries laws and such but when it comes to America and Israel they stand firm that they are enemies. so I hope and wish that there will be no war on Iran otherwise its going to be catastrophic in every way.

[amethyst]

LoL



YES!

In the end it will all be resolved, but right now there is massive change going on. No need to fear if you know where your anchor is.

[loderlive]

You can think "positively" till the cows come home......

But this is REALITY.

It may be a reality but its not mine. I'm just walking through it.

[amethyst]

It may be a reality but its not mine. I'm just walking through it.

But you still live "here".....for now, that is.

[loderlive]

But you still live "here".....for now, that is.

I'm absolutely living here.

[hewrote]

AND war with iran IS LESS imminent, wouldn't you say?

[hewrote]

by "imminent", do you mean within the next 3-4 months? I'll see you back here on October 17 2008 at the earliest, Nov.17 2008 at the latest. One of us will be eating our words. I'll bring the salt!!!

July 16 - Aug. 16 and war IS LESS imminent!

see ya' in a month!!

[hewrote]

Ok, I'm a day early...but damn, it's almost 3 months since an "imminent" war with Iran was proclaimed. Imminent shmimminent!!!!

[on the road]

hhhm cheers for the heads up mate :o

[malkor]

The US just couldn't muster enough domestic support and the Russian bitch-slapping of USA's Georgian "allies" put a damper on plans of invading Iran.

[stelios]

The US just couldn't muster enough domestic support and the Russian bitch-slapping of USA's Georgian "allies" put a damper on plans of invading Iran.

Totally agree. Russia stared them down and they backed off - for now.
But with ex Mossad officer Tipni Livni about to take charge of 200 nukes - we might not be in the clear yet.