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[montag]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

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[montag]

Chi demonstration from HatM #1 - YouTube

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hmbw8gxft-0

[cleft_asunder]

Thanks for that. It should be noted that this doesn't have anything to do with no-mind meditation and enlightenment. Rather it has to do with chakras and mind-meditation. There is no-mind meditation, which leads beyond form (the multiverse), and then there are all other forms of meditation, which pertain to mind and individual abilities within form.

[empyblessing]

It's awesome, but it is only video footage. I really want to believe in this but, I've been jaded by so much fakery. I actually think the most convincing part was the way the child reacted to him. A child would be more difficult to convince to fake it.

I'd be interested in meeting one of these masters and being able to study with them.

Does anyone practice Qi Gong or have links to sites, resources which are reliable?

[noobcybot]

Thanks for putting this up, it is the most realistic depiction of chi power available on film for my knowledge.

This is where "the force" in Star Wars comes from and is the only instance I know where the master can communicate with the dead ( remember the blue ghostly apparitions of Obi wan and Yoda) ?

Even if you dont believe in the qi as in a paranormal force, it has to be known that I believe that Tai Chi with Qi-Kung ( qi meditation ) does make for the worlds most powerful and refined martial art in the world now. To put it in perspective even the worlds top cage fighter would get obliterated by an real master, but that will never be proven.

[empyblessing]

I would really be into this. No one has any reliable information on it though?

[noobcybot]

The subject is ambigous and shrouded in mystery to say the least. Basically the concept of chi came about from a mixture of buhhdist and taoist philosophies although it is nearly the same as other concepts of energy in various belief systems such as orgone, phrana, vril, japanese qi/reiki and so on. Some Chinese scientists apparently have identified its frequency and so on.
The basic concept of qi is related to ying/yang ideas by way that all existence is the result of the constant interaction between posative and negative forces hot/cold, light dark etc... and the universal energy called chi is the same, there is posative chi and negative/null/no chi. Thus this is why tai chi as a martial art works by meeting posative force like a punch with negative force like dodgeing the aggressor.....then switching so while the aggressor is off balance and negative, you go positive and push them over.
The idea is relative to all aspects of life, taking the middle line and always looking for balance is the best way therefore to live because it is the only way to deal with the only real constant of change.
This is just a practical way of affecting the vibrations of this plane of existance ( chi is basically a vibrational force ) and is less esoteric than transcendental meditation or the like because it was developed by martial artists who knew their bodies and body mechanics really well and was put it use in combat.
Why not take a local tai-chi class and learn some basics of the practice? Qi was only developed in this practical way because people put years and years into hard style martial arts and then were able to understand the bodies of humans very well.
Or try this to sort of get a taster of what chi feels like. Stand in a relaxed standing position and put your hands out in front of you so your palms are facing each other like you are holding a beach ball. Now imagine the ball is made of gold and is heavy, but more than this its slightly wet. Imagine you are using all your strength in your hands to keep the ball from slipping. Then imagine the ball is getting smaller and you have to keep moving your hands slowly towards each other until the ball is very small. Keep attention to any vibrations or fluctuations of heat at this time.
This is not really true chi as such but this is a way to feel an aspect of tai chi. Also many things in tai chi feel supernatural but are not, the amazing feeling of strength you feel is brought about sometimes by tiring out your top layer muscles that kick in first so your lower much stronger muscles are forced into play. Good health by tai chi is not just about opening blockadges in the body's meridian lines but by efficient breathing and manipulation of the lymphatic system. Your muscles become very strong because of the calesthtic qualities of the training, forcing your muscles to constanly make tiny shifts to give you real core stregth and speed, this is why the training often looks so slow and concentrated, because it gives you reaction memory and tons of speed and power. So even a tai chi master may look very slight they have more strength than your average body builder.
It is best to do it also with chi-kung, which is cultivation of chi, this also has the effect of making you very relaxed in life if done every day. This is why its better to pratice 15 minutes everyday rether 2 hours every wednesday.
If you have any specific questions mate I would love to give them a shot.

[cleft_asunder]

It's awesome, but it is only video footage. I really want to believe in this but, I've been jaded by so much fakery. I actually think the most convincing part was the way the child reacted to him. A child would be more difficult to convince to fake it.

I'd be interested in meeting one of these masters and being able to study with them.

Does anyone practice Qi Gong or have links to sites, resources which are reliable?

Of course abilites like this exist. Just look at the universal picture. Do you think, in that scope, that God would leave out things like this? The multiverse wasn't created so that uninteresting things can happen within it. I'm sure it's like Star Wars times infinity out there.

[cleft_asunder]

I would really be into this. No one has any reliable information on it though?

I don't think the asians are working with Chi because of a hoax that took place thousands of years ago. Why are you so amazed?

[montag]

Good post noobcybot, I'm about to begin studying and practicing Chi Kung. Fortunately I've just met a good teacher who is going to help get me started so I'll keep you posted on this thread on how it's going.

[empyblessing]

I don't think the asians are working with Chi because of a hoax that took place thousands of years ago. Why are you so amazed?

What are you talking about?

[montag]

but that will never be proven.
Exactly, this is why the chi practitioner pulled the plug on the experiments by the scientists to measure chi in the first clip. He got caught out showing off his talents with the chop stick at the restaurant and was berated severely by his dead master for doing so..

The power of the ego huh? Even the greats are vulnerable occasionally to being pulled back in to it..;)

[Ian2day]

I think that I have used this energy or force a few times in my life. Its been at times when my emotions were all over the place. I have managed to shift huge objects with my thoughts. Or I can make something hit its target by not trying to hit the target by using my sight. Sure I had to aim in the general direction but I just let go of the importance and the target was reached when I thought about it happening. Or maybe I'm deluded. How can I find a genuine master local to me. As I want to learn more.

[krakhead]

Another example of Qi Gong from the series "Mind, Body & Kick Ass Moves" (a great show IMHO, and dirt cheap on dvd if you fancy!)

Mind Body & Kick Ass Moves Chi Gong Skills 1 Seriously sharp - YouTube

and the show's youtube page can be found here (http://www.youtube.com/user/kickasstv)

[montag]

Another example of Qi Gong from the series "Mind, Body & Kick Ass Moves" (a great show IMHO, and dirt cheap on dvd if you fancy!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a69y3nhMaZY

and the show's youtube page can be found here (http://www.youtube.com/user/kickasstv)
Thats nothin', try this on for size..:D

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[noobcybot]

Some really interesting posts here guys.
Great to hear you have found a good teacher Montag, I cant wait to hear how that goes and would appreciate any bits of wisdom you can pass on . It is nice on this forum to talk with people who will likely think about qi in an objective way, if you go to any keyboard warrior forum you will see the idiotic back and forth of new MMA and CQC based "martial artists" who think because some qi practicioners are fakes or misguided that a concept used in pratical applications for hundreds of years is "bullshido". And the karate kids who think they can throw a burning sphere of qi that will obliterate a knife wielding spetz-natz.
I like your post Ian. It must be a trip to move something by power of thought! I find it interesting though that some claim telekinetic power by mind
is an entirely differant phenomenon to chi manipulation, who knows, but they both at differant times seem to be controlled by emotion or alternately pure concentration.
Although I will definately say the idea about making a dart hit the target with chi is something I have experienced and can now control a little. Or another example is you know how sometimes you just get things right, ducked when something was flying at the back of your head or you pick up that you are being watched, like you knew what was going to happen, I believe that is sometimes chi "whispering" to us, we pick up on the changes in vibration almost before they have occoured. The hitting targets one is perhaps more though relevent, remember that the eyes are the window to the soul and according to the inventor of orgone style energy are the main collecter and projector of chi.
Ian I think most good martial artists would suggest you try a few teachers out before you settle for them, search google or check the yellow pages/ buy a martial arts magazine and check the classifieds. It really depends on what you want with tai chi though, do you want the combat aspects ( see Master Wong in UK ), or the medatative aspects ( probably best seeing if you can find a Chinese master, or the relaxation/ health aspects.
To ge the best out of your training there guys though you msut be aware of chi movement in your body while you are doing tai chi to get any real benefit in terms of chi, simply going through the motions will not cut it. Simularly just sitting down and contemplating chi will not make you physically stronger in a short space of time.
Nicely put with that comment about ego Montag.
Remember though guys, as I made the same mistake when starting, results will come fast, but that does not mean you can use it in a streetfight right away, to be a real master of tai chi I think the master has to be at least 50 years of age.

[montag]

If you have any specific questions mate I would love to give them a shot.
noobcybot, what is the difference between qigong and chi kung? I've been practicing qigong from a book for a few weeks and I find it really helpful, but I was told by a friend to avoid qigong and that chi kung is the authentic practice..

Do you have any info on this?

[planetsadhana]

i think chi kung is more a standing meditation whilst tai chi is a martial art but they both relate to each other because of the use of chi

Im no expert but i did a bit of tai chi a couple of years ago , tai chi seemed to be more learning a sequence of moves

whilst chi kung seemed to be more isolated moves

as I say dont take my word on it thats the only little knowledge i have,

[equinox]

I do Zhan Zhoung promounced jam jong, which is a series of standing postures, (chi kung)which strengthen the body and mind, giving you stamina in body and mind, I got a book a few years ago in a charity shop 'The way of energy' by master Lam Kam Chuen, he teaches up in london the 9 postures are the preparation for da chen chuen, which means 'great accomplishment shadow boxing'.

www.masterlamkamchuen.com i think is the site.

in the book there are what he calls mentality exercises where you train the mind and develop it further,of course i realise that this isn't the same as no mind meditation.

I have been doing this for 7 months now and am nearly on the 4th posture, i do feel better for it, everybody says i look really healthy.

it is demanding, but different to normal exercise as you get times when you think your muscles will explode but then it eases and you go through tghe pain barrier, and have had another victory, in zhan zhoung you get waves of of pain and then it goes whereas in normal exercise it gets harder and harder and then you have to stop because otherwise you do yourself a mischief.

anyway i highly recommend this, it's not easy but if you can stick to it every day for the 1st 4 months it gets easier. also you don't have to remember complicated movements as in tai chi.

[hunger]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jAMQQZdnBV8&feature=related

[noobcybot]

noobcybot, what is the difference between qigong and chi kung? I've been practicing qigong from a book for a few weeks and I find it really helpful, but I was told by a friend to avoid qigong and that chi kung is the authentic practice..

Do you have any info on this?

Hmmmmm, I was of the opinion that both were generally good for us, however I am aware of an idea that says heavy qigong meditation can mess around with the chi flow in the body. This is possible as qigong can be approached quite quickly ( and it is attractive to do this, not only for the desire to become better in a shorter space of time, but because the feeling of chi you get from it can be like a revelation ). Thus a person may become ill, especially as a lot of people dont train under masters etc... I will say that after I started practicing more advanced techniques prematurely I experienced flu like symptoms for weeks afterwards ( this type of thing includes the visualisation of energy boring paths through your limbs and body to open them, it certainly did have an effect, for example I was able to astral project and such more easily). I did not really go back to that type of practice.
So in conclusion your friends assumption may be quite right in that Chi Kung negates these problems by the fact that it takes longer to progress, it is useually practiced with a teacher, it brings the health benefits of the exercises whereas qigong does not, and because it employs constant movement the chi flows more naturally and is closed off and dissapated more efficiently. In Tai Chi we often hear about how it is important to be animated where possible because this is the expression of life here, a flowing stream is much nicer to see than a stagnant pool so to speak.
In terms of historical basis I would have thought that they were both concieved together in that Taoism was highly influenced by Buhhdist practices meditation in particular. But the histories are a bit foggy to say the least.
Sorry I couldant give you a more definate answer Montag, did your friend expand on this?

[montag]

Sorry I couldant give you a more definate answer Montag, did your friend expand on this?
Not at all noobcybot, very helpful thanks. You are correct about wanting too much too soon, I'm a little bit guilty of that myself, but one of the most important thing I'm slowly learning is patience, this is an area of weakness for me.

My friend has recommended a book which I'm just starting to read which is Zhan Zhang style Chi Kung, standing exercises without movement, it sounds easy but is in fact quite difficult but great for cultivating chi and clearing blockages.

The book is called "The Way of Energy: Mastering the Chinese Art of Internal Strength with Chi Kung Exercise" Amazon.com: The Way of Energy: Mastering the Chinese Art of Internal Strength with Chi Kung Exercise (A Gaia Original) (9780671736453): Master Lam Kam-Chuen: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41nnTizv8PL.@@AMEPARAM@@41nnTizv8PL

[equinox]

AN excellent book! I highly recommend it.

[montag]

Taikiken Ritsu Zen - YouTube

Taikiken Ritsu Zen individual styles - YouTube

[jp13]

Although I will definately say the idea about making a dart hit the target with chi is something I have experienced and can now control a little. Or another example is you know how sometimes you just get things right, ducked when something was flying at the back of your head or you pick up that you are being watched, like you knew what was going to happen.
I would liken this i.e. the dart hitting the target to lots of practise, for instance Trying to throw a ball of paper into a bin from any part of your room (This is a William Burroughs idea, I think in the book "Junky"), the more you do it the more it becomes "2nd Nature" where you don't have to think about it, your body +mind 'know' instinctively where the bin is and make all the adjustments to enable you to throw it into the bin.
The other thing about ducking, before you get hit, I would say comes more under your sphere of influence, or how aware your body +spirit is about your surroundings, as it doesn't seem to matter if it is coming from behind or the side etc. you are aware at a deeper level than waking conciousness of some thing entering your 'field of influence' and take evasive action. We probably do it a lot without realisingit, but it's good to take note when something like this does happen. I think it means that you are more attuned to your body, mind and spirit, also your reactions are a lot faster, almost as if you anticipated it before it happened. I thinkit's better to experience it than try to explain it.

[lightgiver]

Whatever you do,do not become a KIAI master:D:D
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
LOL:D