A nice juicy steak

[boots]

Theres nothing like a nice juicy blood filled steak to chow down on when your hungry.

It can really fill you up for the day.

Don't get all these vegetarians ?

There is nothing like meat whether its chicken,duck,rabbit or pork. It's delicious.

Killing in a thoughtful respectful way has no connotations of evilness.

So whats wrong with it.:rolleyes:

From this.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7293/beefherefordcu5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Yummy he looks delicious.

To this.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5204/beefporterhousese2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Then to this YUM


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1224/foodsteakre7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[lizzy]

I can here the veggies stampeding to your door boots:eek: Keep that pitchfork at the ready:D

[duckingdafta]

Right!... if weather holds out you've convince me to have a bar-b-que...
but less of the DUCK!:D

[boots]

Right!... if weather holds out you've convince me to have a bar-b-que...
but less of the DUCK!:D

:D

LMAO. Hey sorry about the Duck mate:D

[malkor]

A parody of one of my favorite scenes.


The Restaurant at the Other End of the Universe - YouTube

can't get it to work

The Restaurant at the Other End of the Universe - YouTube

[jhado]

Looks good. Although I usually have my 'blood' in curries or stews or stir-fry's or chillies etc.

[jhado]

How come that cow has got 5 legs?

[boots]

How come that cow has got 5 legs?

Hey, wish I had a leg like that.:)

I'd be a stud cow:D

[jhado]

or a porn star.

[icke_is_right]

'Don't get all these vegetarians' ?


'Killing in a thoughtful respectful way has no connotations of evilness'.


Obviously not a very constructive post and one mainly written for annoyance sake.

However, it's exactly not as you suggest, which is the main point. Millions of animals are killed in an horrific fashion everyday. I'm sure Pilgrim will post some vids for your 'entertainment'.

So, perhaps there is a chance that you'll be able to mature your mind.

Good luck and enjoy killing your own (as I could) if I wasn't veggie because I know that I'm not squeamish in the slightest compared to most people. It was in fact the squeamishness of many people I have served in Restaurants many, many years ago that made me see that most people are so hypocrytical.

'I want a steak, but I don't want to see any blood', was a common line used by the majority of people.

Enjoy your replies.

[boots]

A parody of one of my favorite scenes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jxkj_6kJuA
can't get it to work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jxkj_6kJuA

:)

Nice....nice.

See how good us humans are, were very diplomatic about it.

Sounds very British to me.;)

[orgo knight]

Whale meat. Beef of the sea.
Whale Meat: The Beef Of The Sea- Australian ad. - YouTube

[boots]

Whale meat. Beef of the sea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XofGXKxpU2Y

:D

Yeah:) let them whales breed up then we can chow down on them while the cattle breed up:cool:

[drael]

its a shame veggies dont bleed red, or have little faces that scream when u slice them.

Thatd make this debate much less emotionally based..;)

[swifty]

I dont get veggies or the people who say "I like meat but dont like to think
where it comes from !!!!"

I think if your not prepared to go out and kill the animal your self you shouldnt be eating meat. (picks up sledge hammer now wheres that cow :D )

[mercuryrapids]

It's been shown that plants react when they are injured. We just can't hear their screams. If you think livestock farming is cruel, imagine the racket coming from a wheat field with a combine harvester ripping up all those poor stalks of grain.... ;)

We should all just live on minerals. But then somebody will discover that rocks are alive too. :)

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15320720.800-stressed-plants-cry-for-help.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/065njdoe.asp

[boots]

'


Obviously not a very constructive post and one mainly written for annoyance sake.

However, it's exactly not as you suggest, which is the main point. Millions of animals are killed in an horrific fashion everyday. I'm sure Pilgrim will post some vids for your 'entertainment'.

So, perhaps there is a chance that you'll be able to mature your mind.

Good luck and enjoy killing your own (as I could) if I wasn't veggie because I know that I'm not squeamish in the slightest compared to most people. It was in fact the squeamishness of many people I have served in Restaurants many, many years ago that made me see that most people are so hypocrytical.

'I want a steak, but I don't want to see any blood', was a common line used by the majority of people.

Enjoy your replies.

Oh yeah, this thread was intended to bring the hypocrisy of veterinarian to the front and to challenge a debate on perception of life.


So, perhaps there is a chance that you'll be able to mature your mind.

LOL:p

[boots]

I think if your not prepared to go out and kill the animal your self you shouldnt be eating meat. (picks up sledge hammer now wheres that cow :D )

Well thats a good point swifty.

I prefer to use a gun :) a less messy :D

[i_am]

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S482.gif

[duckingdafta]

I like to dress up in combat and depict scenes from Apocalypse Now... oops.. did that come out loud? :D

[boots]

It's been shown that plants react when they are injured. We just can't hear their screams. If you think livestock farming is cruel, imagine the racket coming from a wheat field with a combine harvester ripping up all those poor stalks of grain.... ;)

We should all just live on minerals. But then somebody will discover that rocks are alive too. :)

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15320720.800-stressed-plants-cry-for-help.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/065njdoe.asp



Yep, they certainly do react mercuryrapid and it was proven back in 1966 by Cleve Backster who was the originator of the Backster zone comparison test (the standard used by lie detection examiners worldwide).

http://www.primaryperception.com

There was also an interview done by Nicole Whitney from www.Newsforthesoul.com

Vegetarians are just murders but they don't know it:rolleyes:

[eyeballkid88]

go to you tube and type in earthlings and there is a horrendous doco on animals and how we treat them....

hard viewing

[purple is a fruit]

I was about to tuck into a beef curry outside on the balcony the other evening...I looked up as I was about to take a mouthful, just in time to see a bull mounting a cow in the paddock next to my house.It was kinda creepy. I decided on a salad sandwich instead.:o

[daveybpl]

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S482.gif


exactly, very sad.

[boots]

go to you tube and type in earthlings and there is a horrendous doco on animals and how we treat them....

hard viewing

Oh i don't doubt for a moment that we treat animals inhumanly and it's disgusting but we also treat veggie the same way.

You have to think about that. As swifty said just because they, don't bleed red or have a face we kill them without a second thought.

[boots]

exactly, very sad.

Nothing sad about it at all.

Emotions get PPL into trouble, without a reality check and those emotions create a doctrine based on no logic.

The sad thing about this is that there is no spirituality/respect with taking from the earth.

Only division base on religion and generalized perceptions of whats right and whats wrong.

[pepsirat]

I am veggi and for some reason people like to attack me verbally . Why is this i dont go round judging people who eat meat. The only reason i can come up with is they must have some issue with eating meat. So they decide to take it out on me:(

[amar7]

I am not "veggi" and I enjoy meat, your sarcasm doesnt change that

[Ian2day]

My previous retort to revolutionary Veggies

Immortal Technique - Beef and Broccoli - YouTube

I've grown up a bit since expressing that sentiment. Each to their own.

[lostwonderer]

I tried to be a veggie like a year ago or something but it didnt exactly last long,but now i am well its been about 4 months and am not gonna give in,i dont have a problem with other people eating meat.

[malkor]

Some hypocritical/religious vegetarians can't take the fact that millions of animals are killed each year to bring them fresh vegetables and are totally oblivious to the other reason animals are killed: territory and natural resources.

[empyblessing]

Fuck it. Eat what you want.

[limelady]

I am veggi and for some reason people like to attack me verbally . Why is this i dont go round judging people who eat meat. The only reason i can come up with is they must have some issue with eating meat. So they decide to take it out on me:(




It is wrong to attack anybody verbally for what they chose to eat and I'm sorry this has happened to you. I've encountered this myself in the past when I was vegetarian, so I can relate that it didn't make me feel very good at the time. :(

But on this forum it seems some of the more vocal vegetarians/vegans have been doing their fair share of 'attacking' or at least giving the clear impression they believe meat-eaters are by default in some way spiritually inferior, and should therefore feel a good measure of shame for their eating habits.

Till now the meat-eaters have not said a lot, so I feel this thread is maybe boots attempt to do something about this situation....I just hope that in so doing it doesn't open a hornets nest. :o

[duckingdafta]

Fuck it. Eat what you want.

with chips!:D

[none]

Theres nothing like a nice juicy blood filled steak to chow down on when your hungry.

It can really fill you up for the day.

Don't get all these vegetarians ?

There is nothing like meat whether its chicken,duck,rabbit or pork. It's delicious.

Killing in a thoughtful respectful way has no connotations of evilness.

So whats wrong with it.:rolleyes:

From this.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7293/beefherefordcu5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Yummy he looks delicious.

To this.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5204/beefporterhousese2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Then to this YUM


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1224/foodsteakre7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Provocative, for all the wrong reasons. Or maybee for the correct reasons, but a bit heavy handed.
I eat meat, I eat veg, I eat whatever the 'F' I want (I'm not allowed to say I eat pussy on here though)......

[icke_is_right]

Oh yeah, this thread was intended to bring the hypocrisy of veterinarian to the front and to challenge a debate on perception of life.


So, perhaps there is a chance that you'll be able to mature your mind.

LOL:p

Just to remind people. No comment necessary.:)

[boots]

Just to remind people. No comment necessary.:)

I've seen more intelligence from a sea slug.:rolleyes:




No offense to the sea slug.

[icke_is_right]

I've seen more intelligence from a sea slug.:rolleyes:




No offense to the sea slug.

No comment necessary, I'm giving you a bit of self promotion, enjoy!:)

[kweli]

It is wrong to attack anybody verbally for what they chose to eat and I'm sorry this has happened to you. I've encountered this myself in the past when I was vegetarian, so I can relate that it didn't make me feel very good at the time. :(

But on this forum it seems some of the more vocal vegetarians/vegans have been doing their fair share of 'attacking' or at least giving the clear impression they believe meat-eaters are by default in some way spiritually inferior, and should therefore feel a good measure of shame for their eating habits.

Till now the meat-eaters have not said a lot, so I feel this thread is maybe boots attempt to do something about this situation....I just hope that in so doing it doesn't open a hornets nest. :o

So true, it's one of the reasons I don't tend to join these debates - folk are villified for their choices.. then again it's the same for smokers, drinkers, drug users, damn.. even marriage! What happened to LIVE & LET LIVE?

Justice for meat eaters.. that's what I say! :D

[mauimamma]

A nice juicy steak ... YUM!

[gutcassidy]

I am veggi and for some reason people like to attack me verbally . Why is this i dont go round judging people who eat meat. The only reason i can come up with is they must have some issue with eating meat. So they decide to take it out on me:(




How do these meat eaters know your a vegetarian?

I have nothing against people that eat meat or don't. Eat pork or don't. 'Vege's' that eat fish, or don't. Or some guy who doesn't eat anything that casts a shadow, or does. I really don't care.

The way masses of animals are treated is the problem. Boycott the mega animal factory's. Buy from local markets or suppliers.

[vienna]

Theres nothing like a nice juicy blood filled steak to chow down on when your hungry.

It can really fill you up for the day.

Don't get all these vegetarians ?

There is nothing like meat whether its chicken,duck,rabbit or pork. It's delicious.

Killing in a thoughtful respectful way has no connotations of evilness.

So whats wrong with it.:rolleyes:

From this.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7293/beefherefordcu5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Yummy he looks delicious.

To this.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5204/beefporterhousese2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Then to this YUM


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1224/foodsteakre7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


reminds me of the restaurant scene in The Matrix; 'ignorance is bliss'

[2013]

A lot of people seem to respect the lifestyle and spirituality of native tribal peoples such as in America / Australia etc , yet they eat meat and did so in a sacred manner taking only what they needed and using all of the animal .It didn't seem to stop them developing respect for nature and their environment .Somehow the idea seems to of come about that to be vegan or veggie is more evolved spiritually or otherwise . The world is out of balance and if we do what we do whatever that may be with a conscience then it would go a long way to help .I have found the anti fascists attitude is the same as the fascist one what you fight you become indeed .As long as you accept if you eat meat that at some point in your life someone or something may kill and eat you as part of their survival then it's all good :D

[mercuryrapids]

A lot of people seem to respect the lifestyle and spirituality of native tribal peoples such as in America / Australia etc , yet they eat meat and did so in a sacred manner taking only what they needed and using all of the animal

Actually, many native people drove animals to extinction. North American Indians made several species locally extinct, only for the animals to return after white man decimated the Native Americans. There are Buffalo Jumps in the USA, where Native Americans drove whole herds over cliffs, then collected carcasses, leaving a large percentage to rot.

The same applies to the Moa of New Zealand, which was hunted to enticntion when the Maoris arrived in New Zealand.

[drael]

Umm, thats like two of about two possible examples i know of.

Any more?

Keeping in mind there are many such cultures and by comparison modern man exploits every single "asset" or "resource" to depletion without any thought.

[mercuryrapids]

I know modern cultures are miles more destructive, but I was just pointing out that 'native cultures' weren't completely innocent, that's all. People are people.

[2013]

I know modern cultures are miles more destructive, but I was just pointing out that 'native cultures' weren't completely innocent, that's all. People are people.

True its important not to paint them as perfect which a lot of people tend to do with people or cultures they admire .I was making the point about meat eating peoples still being spiritual , perhaps we should just concentrate n finding our own path and allowing others to find theirs , giving advice if it is asked for and not getting angry when our opinions aren't greeted the way we would expect them to be .I have found that the people i know who eat vegan or veggie do tend to have less health issues and colds etc though .:D

[malkor]

Raising herds and cultivating vast lands for agriculture can both be destructive to the environment. What we need to do is restore that which we destroy. There seems to be an awakening as natural destruction caused by human activities are being restored.

This area used to be a surface area mining operation, the Indian Head Coal mine.

http://www.mii.org/ReclStories/IndianHead/reclam1.jpg

http://www.mii.org/ReclStories/IndianHead/reclam2.jpg


http://www.mii.org/ReclStories/IndianHead/Indian.html

[paradox]

EVIL:mad:

[boots]

There is no problem with me, if people what to be this or that and have a belief system that they are comfortable with.

Each to there own.

My main point is that plants are consciousness too, they have feelings and know what is about to happen to them and your ordinary house plant knows you well they are connected to you.

Here is part of an interview with Derrick Jensen and Cleve Backster.

(Cleve Backster is the world leading expert on polygraphs and he standard is used worldwide for polygraphs.)

First I tried putting a neighboring leaf in a cup of warm coffee. The plant, if anything, showed what I now recognize as boredom--it just kept trending downward. Then at thirteen minutes, fifty-five seconds chart time, the imagery entered my mind of burning the leaf I was testing. I didn't verbalize, I didn't touch the plant, I didn't touch the equipment. The only new thing that could have been a stimulus for the plant was the mental image. Yet the plant went wild. The pen jumped right off the top of the chart.
I went into the next office to get matches from my secretary's desk, and lighting one, made a few feeble passes at a neighboring leaf. I realized, though, that I was already seeing such a saturation of reaction that more change wouldn't be noticeable anyway. So I tried a different approach: I removed the threat by taking the matches back to the secretary's desk. The plant calmed right back down.
Immediately I understood something important was going on. There were no alternate explanations. There was no one else in the building, nobody else in the lab suite, and I simply wasn't doing anything that would provide a mechanistic explanation. From that split-second my consciousness hasn't been the same. My whole thought process, my whole priority system, has been devoted to looking into this.
After that first observation, I talked to scientists from different fields, trying to get them to explain to me within their disciplines what was happening. It was totally foreign to them. So I started to design an experiment in greater depth to explore what I soon began to call primary perception.
DJ: Primary perception?
CB: I couldn't call what I was witnessing extrasensory perception, because plants don't have most of the first five senses to start with. This perception on the part of the plant seemed to take place at a much more basic, or primary, level. Thus the name.
Anyway, what emerged was an experiment in which I arranged for shrimp to be dropped automatically at random intervals into simmering water, while recording the reaction of plants at the other end of the lab.
DJ: How did you tell whether the plants were responding to the death of the shrimp, or to your emotions?
CB: It is very very hard to eliminate the interconnection between the experimenter and the plants being tested. Even the briefest association with the plants--just a few hours--is enough to let them become attuned to you. Then, even though you automate the experiment and leave the laboratory, and even though you set a time delay switch for random intervals, guaranteeing you are entirely unaware of when the experiment starts, the plants will remain attuned to you, no matter where you go. At first, my partner and I used to go to a bar a block away, and after a time we began to grow suspicious that the plants were not responding to the death of the brine shrimp at all, but instead to the rising and falling levels of excitement in our conversations. Finally, we came up with a way around this. We had someone else buy the plants, and store them in another part of the building we didn't frequent. On the day of the experiment we went to the holding area, brought the plants in, hooked them up, and left. This meant the plants were in a strange environment, they had the pressure of the electrodes, they had a little trickle of electricity going through their leaves, and they'd been deserted. Because they were not attuned to us or to anyone else, they began "looking around" for anything that would acquaint them with their environment. Then, and only then, did something so subtle as the deaths of the brine shrimp get picked up by the plants.
DJ: Do plants become attuned over time only to humans, or do they become attuned to others in their environment as well?
CB: I'll answer that with an example. Often I hook up a plant and just go about my business, then observe what makes it respond. One day back in New York City I was making coffee. The coffee maker we had in the lab was a dripolater, where you put a teakettle on, boil the water, pour it in, and it drips down. We normally didn't empty the teakettle, but just topped it off later. This particular day, however, I needed the teakettle for something else, and so poured the scalding water down the sink. The plant being monitored showed huge reactions. It turns out that if you don't put chemicals or very hot water down the sink for a long time, a little jungle begins to grow down there. Under a microscope it's almost as scary as the bar scene in Star Wars. Well, the plant was responding to the death of the microbes.



We have to eat, but when we take something living, be it a plant or animal we should show respect and gratitude to that life that sustains us.

If people would like to read the whole interview.

Here is the link.

http://www.derrickjensen.org/backster.html

[pepsirat]

Its manly people who find out or ask me. I dont care if people eat meat it is up to them. Its just i get stick for been veggi. Like my cusins wedding i didnt eat meat me their and i was getting some horrid remarks. One of my uncle called me stupid and prefetic why i dont know.

All what i was saying they must have a problem eating meat if been veggie bothers them. Im not talking about all the meat eaters just the ones that have a go at me for no reason.

I dont force my beliefs on anyone but you do get the p*** taken out of you when your veggi and i just want to know why?


How do these meat eaters know your a vegetarian?

I have nothing against people that eat meat or don't. Eat pork or don't. 'Vege's' that eat fish, or don't. Or some guy who doesn't eat anything that casts a shadow, or does. I really don't care.

The way masses of animals are treated is the problem. Boycott the mega animal factory's. Buy from local markets or suppliers.