Getting High In The Matrix

[something]

yep i know the point is to leave the matrix, im talking about using the legal alternatives to shrooms, mdma etc

ive been trying these for a while, lately they seem to have become a lot stronger, not quiet as strong as they should be, but good enough.

anyone else tried this? which ones worked best?

[cleft_asunder]

Look into Reed Canary Grass. (AKA Phalarus grass) It grows spring, summer, fall.I haven't tried it yet, but once spring goes into summer I'm going to harvest some and juice it. 2 tsps is a heavy dose. Mono amine oxidate inhibitor, such as tobacco or syrian rue, are strongly recommended so that the liver doesn't break down the DMT.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Phalaris+arundinacea&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2
http://www.erowid.org/plants/phalaris/phalaris.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/phalaris/phalaris_faq.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/phalaris/phalaris_info1.shtml

[cleft_asunder]

Also, the plant by state. Click your state:

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=PHAR3

[whitenight639]

Wow you know your brain chemistry ;)
cool smoking keeps you high new it was good for somthing:)

Look into Reed Canary Grass. (AKA Phalarus grass) It grows spring, summer, fall.I haven't tried it yet, but once spring goes into summer I'm going to harvest some and juice it. 2 tsps is a heavy dose. Mono amine oxidate inhibitor, such as tobacco or syrian rue, are strongly recommended so that the liver doesn't break down the DMT.

[turquoisefyre]

i'm not big on drugs at all, but i've tried the "alternative legals" before... it was like smoking a lipton teabag...had about the same effect.

[rossus]

i guess there's nothing wrong with getting high,
just like there's nothing wrong with having sex.

the problem is...

when we do something that's really fun or feels really good,
we have the tendency to want to do it as often as possible...

this makes it easy to believe that YOU need something more
than there already is right here and right now...

when you believe you need something to be happy, you will become unhappy.
when you stop wanting anything and surrender to life, you will become happy.



before you use drugs, i think it's important to find yourself...
the real you, who lacks nothing. it's important to learn how to surrender to life,
and see where happiness is coming from...

when you know that happiness is the result of accepting all that is...
yourself, other people, the whole universe...

then this will protect you not become too attached to getting high.
it will prevent you to make yourself unhappy, when you don't have drugs.
when you don't get high.

.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.

i have used MDMA a couple of times before, and the feeling is lovely.
under the effects of this drug, it's very easy to reach that state of complete acceptance of ALL...
so that thoughts disapear. so that YOU disapear, into the whole.

but i don't think i'll do this drug again because it fucks a little bit with serotonin,
and i don't want to damage my serotonin receptors in my brain too much.

.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.

i've had incredible experiences with magic mushrooms/LSD,
but unfortunately the feeling of spiritual connectedness...
and the higher level of awareness doesn't last.

i'm on a long break from drugs now, and i don't know if and when i will use drugs again.
but if there is one drug i will use again, it will probably be mushrooms or LSD.

because they have given me the greatest experiences of my life.
i wish i could reach the same level of awareness, the same feeling of love... sober though.

this way i could be in this state every day, without taking "harmful" drugs.
that would be cool.

.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.

about escaping the matrix, don't worry too much about that.

if you believe there is a matrix,
if you believe you need to escape,
if you believe there is a you.

then this belief will create that illusionary reality for you...
and you will think you have to do something, to be happy or to be free.

by dropping all beliefs...
that you are in a matrix you need to escape from
that you are your thoughts
that you are your body
that you are you
then you escape the matrix... (i think :D)

[narcolepticwatchman]

the very fact that these drugs are illegal should tell you something.....they do not want you to take them. Ok so we know that, but why is the question you should ask. They could make billions (more) from these type of psychoactive drugs if they were made legal..........the reason? they fuck up the 'programming'. they awaken people to a higher level of conciousness.

Of course drugs are open to abuse, but so is chocolate. Everything is bad for you if you take too much of it.

[narcolepticwatchman]

i guess there's nothing wrong with getting high,
just like there's nothing wrong with having sex.

the problem is...

when we do something that's really fun or feels really good,
we have the tendency to want to do it as often as possible...

this makes it easy to believe that YOU need something more
than there already is right here and right now...

when you believe you need something to be happy, you will become unhappy.
when you stop wanting anything and surrender to life, you will become happy.



before you use drugs, i think it's important to find yourself...
the real you, who lacks nothing. it's important to learn how to surrender to life,
and see where happiness is coming from...

when you know that happiness is the result of accepting all that is...
yourself, other people, the whole universe...

then this will protect you not become too attached to getting high.
it will prevent you to make yourself unhappy, when you don't have drugs.
when you don't get high.

.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.

i have used MDMA a couple of times before, and the feeling is lovely.
under the effects of this drug, it's very easy to reach that state of complete acceptance of ALL... so that thoughts disapear. so that YOU disapear, into the whole.

but i don't think i'll do this drug again because it fucks a little bit with serotonin, and i don't want to damage my serotonin receptors in my brain too much.



i've had incredible experiences with magic mushrooms/LSD, but unfortunately the feeling of spiritual connectedness and feeling of ecstasy doesn't last...


ecstasy is a man made drug. These psychoactive ones are more often than not naturally growing. That tells me they were put here for a purpose. I don't do drugs, but i'd stay away from shit that has been concocted by chemists.

[truthseeker1980]

SALVIA is definitely one to try, it is legal and natural. It aint like any other drug, you wont want to do it more than a few times, as it is more intense than anything i have tried and i have tried most.

It really helps with the awakening though, the layers of the matrix peel away whilst on the buzz and you will never forget what you see.

[seanx]

narcolepticwatchman wrote:

the very fact that these drugs are illegal should tell you something.....they do not want you to take them. Ok so we know that, but why is the question you should ask. They could make billions (more) from these type of psychoactive drugs if they were made legal..........the reason? they fuck up the 'programming'. they awaken people to a higher level of conciousness.

Great point. These things were obviously created for a reason.
Can these natural plants like magic mushrooms be 'alive' in a certain
way.

i once heard them described as 'teaching plants'.

I mention magic mushrooms becasue they have just been banned here
in ireland.

imagine a natural 'plant or fungus??' banned!!

Some guy had a bad experience with it - and fall over a roof. They 'claim'
it was the effects of the mushrooms ( not the alcohol he had also took!!)

and hey, bingo - it was baned straightaway.

it's amazing Goverments take ages to do anthing - but this was pushed through almost instantly!

Anyway, here the question: Has anybody here who has taken
'magic muchrooms' willing to describe their experience ? And would you reccommend it?

[narcolepticwatchman]

narcolepticwatchman wrote:



Great point. These things were obviously created for a reason.
Can these natural plants like magic mushrooms be 'alive' in a certain
way.

i once heard them described as 'teaching plants'.

I mention magic mushrooms becasue they have just been banned here
in ireland.

imagine a natural 'plant or fungus??' banned!!

Some guy had a bad experience with it - and fall over a roof. They 'claim'
it was the effects of the mushrooms ( not the alcohol he had also took!!)

and hey, bingo - it was baned straightaway.

it's amazing Goverments take ages to do anthing - but this was pushed through almost instantly!

Anyway, here the question: Has anybody here who has taken
'magic muchrooms' willing to describe their experience ? And would you reccommend it?

"Same LSD story every time: "Young man on acid, thought he could fly jumped out of a building, what a tragedy." What a dick! He's an idiot. If he thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground and check it out first? What a moron. You don't see ducks lined up to catch elevators to fly south. What a moron! Good, he's dead. We lost moron. (sobbing) WE LOST A MORON!!! How am I gonna sleep through the night? I don't don't mean to sound cold or cruel..."

The late and very great Bill Hicks

[seanx]

Thinking back - now it's amazing how we are always 'taught' to keep
away from these 'natural substances.

We almost absorb this idea subconsciously it is so prevalent.

How 'bad', 'evil' and 'dangerous'.

And yet, we are 'allowed' or it is 'legal to smoke cigarettes
( not natural tobacco - but the stuff full of man-made chemicals).
The same with man-made alcohol.

But not natural substances produced by nature.

Are they are gift to us from nature???

( I remember years ago in a school debate arguing against natural substances. That they were a terrible infuence etc.
etc. Talking about the prisoners carrying out the Guards
orders! What a plonker!)

If they are not abused, are they a temporary gateway out of the martix???

[tommi]

Seen someone mentioned salvia divinorum. (Translates as divine sage).

It's actually illegal in Australia but well worth a try if you're any where else. It is completely non addictive but by god is it powerful! I've tried it a few times and had some pretty cool experiences. The last time I was on a beach in Spain with my cousin and we had a good go and as soon as it took effect I was watching weeds and plants talk to and dance with each other, quite amusing. ;)

[something]

Reed Canary Grass sounds very interesting, thanks for that. since im not in the US i think its unlikely ill ever come across it, but ive heard lots about DMT and realy want to try it.

Salvia is awesome ive tried that many times (used to grow it) and now seen 35x extract... can only imagine what that would do.

also magic mushrooms have gone down a treat before, mostly cubensis and liberty caps. ive heard theres around 12 types of psychedelic shrooms growing in the UK although ive never found anything other than liberty caps.

Fly Agaric is one which im keeping an eye for (and not paying the 15-20 quid headshops sell them for)

[rossus]

ecstasy is a man made drug. These psychoactive ones are more often than not naturally growing. That tells me they were put here for a purpose. I don't do drugs, but i'd stay away from shit that has been concocted by chemists.
i agree that in general, most popular recreational drugs made my man are more dangerous/damaging than those found in nature.

but, mdma is one of those drugs which has helped many people back on the path of love.
but ofcourse, not everyone gets this effect and the same personal growing is probably possible without this drug.

to read up on the effects of mushrooms, you might be interested in reading some peoples reports of their experiences (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Mushrooms.shtml)...

erowid (http://www.erowid.org) is a good site with lots of information about drugs.

[Mo0n5tar]

i guess there's nothing wrong with getting high,
just like there's nothing wrong with having sex.

the problem is...

when we do something that's really fun or feels really good,
we have the tendency to want to do it as often as possible...

this makes it easy to believe that YOU need something more
than there already is right here and right now...

when you believe you need something to be happy, you will become unhappy.
when you stop wanting anything and surrender to life, you will become happy.



before you use drugs, i think it's important to find yourself...
the real you, who lacks nothing. it's important to learn how to surrender to life,
and see where happiness is coming from...

when you know that happiness is the result of accepting all that is...
yourself, other people, the whole universe...

then this will protect you not become too attached to getting high.
it will prevent you to make yourself unhappy, when you don't have drugs.
when you don't get high.

.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.

i have used MDMA a couple of times before, and the feeling is lovely.
under the effects of this drug, it's very easy to reach that state of complete acceptance of ALL...
so that thoughts disapear. so that YOU disapear, into the whole.

but i don't think i'll do this drug again because it fucks a little bit with serotonin,
and i don't want to damage my serotonin receptors in my brain too much.

.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.

i've had incredible experiences with magic mushrooms/LSD,
but unfortunately the feeling of spiritual connectedness...
and the higher level of awareness doesn't last.

i'm on a long break from drugs now, and i don't know if and when i will use drugs again.
but if there is one drug i will use again, it will probably be mushrooms or LSD.

because they have given me the greatest experiences of my life.
i wish i could reach the same level of awareness, the same feeling of love... sober though.

this way i could be in this state every day, without taking "harmful" drugs.
that would be cool.

.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.~*~.

about escaping the matrix, don't worry too much about that.

if you believe there is a matrix,
if you believe you need to escape,
if you believe there is a you.

then this belief will create that illusionary reality for you...
and you will think you have to do something, to be happy or to be free.

by dropping all beliefs...
that you are in a matrix you need to escape from
that you are your thoughts
that you are your body
that you are you
then you escape the matrix... (i think :D)

You Should take mR Ickes Job!

[cleft_asunder]

the very fact that these drugs are illegal should tell you something.....they do not want you to take them. Ok so we know that, but why is the question you should ask. They could make billions (more) from these type of psychoactive drugs if they were made legal..........the reason? they fuck up the 'programming'. they awaken people to a higher level of conciousness.

Of course drugs are open to abuse, but so is chocolate. Everything is bad for you if you take too much of it.

Nope, you've got a half truth there. Often they illegalize something because they want you to use it, and they want to be the sole proprietor's. For example, marijuana. If something is illegal, people like us can no longer grow and sell it, but since they are above the law they can and do. When you illegalise something, everyone and their mom is aware of it. When it's legal, few people are interested. And if there's any doubt that the Illuminati DO want you to smoke marijuana, why is it heavily pushed in the Illuminati controlled music and hiphop industry?

As for waking people up, I doubt it. There are 2 "waking up states." One is the ultimate, in which you realise you are God holding everything together. The other is a Matrix state in which you talk to trees, enhance psychic powers, talk to other entities, OBE',s et cetera. The illuminati know this and...I don't know, maybe it's no threat to them. But this doesn't make quite sense. However, the fact of the matter is that shrooms are illegal, but the illuminati still gives you access to spores! In other words, you can grow it yourself with a little research. I've done it.

I should make a thread on this because it's kinda confusing, even to me.

[cleft_asunder]

SALVIA is definitely one to try, it is legal and natural. It aint like any other drug, you wont want to do it more than a few times, as it is more intense than anything i have tried and i have tried most.

It really helps with the awakening though, the layers of the matrix peel away whilst on the buzz and you will never forget what you see.

You have to have something already open in your mind, or whatever, for it to work. I can smoke a bowl of the stuff and I won't see anything profound.

[cleft_asunder]

Reed Canary Grass sounds very interesting, thanks for that. since im not in the US i think its unlikely ill ever come across it, but ive heard lots about DMT and realy want to try it.

You can find it nearly anywhere in the world. Just do a little research.

[21_12_2012]

Nope, you've got a half truth there. Often they illegalize something because they want you to use it, and they want to be the sole proprietor's. For example, marijuana. If something is illegal, people like us can no longer grow and sell it, but since they are above the law they can and do. When you illegalise something, everyone and their mom is aware of it. When it's legal, few people are interested. And if there's any doubt that the Illuminati DO want you to smoke marijuana, why is it heavily pushed in the Illuminati controlled music and hiphop industry?

As for waking people up, I doubt it. There are 2 "waking up states." One is the ultimate, in which you realise you are God holding everything together. The other is a Matrix state in which you talk to trees, enhance psychic powers, talk to other entities, OBE',s et cetera. The illuminati know this and...I don't know, maybe it's no threat to them. But this doesn't make quite sense. However, the fact of the matter is that shrooms are illegal, but the illuminati still gives you access to spores! In other words, you can grow it yourself with a little research. I've done it.

I should make a thread on this because it's kinda confusing, even to me.


Well said..i agree.

[rossus]

http://herbarium.0-700.pl/biblioteka/Mushrooms%20and%20Mankind.pdf

Here is a small ebook called "Mushrooms and Mankind" by James Arthur.
It has been recommended to me by a stranger, and i have not yet read it myself... but it looks interesting from what i've seen in a quick-look.

i looked up james arthur and i came across this site
http://www.jamesarthur.nl/index2.html
he makes some nice art.
perhaps it's a different james arthur, but i doubt it.

[seanx]

rossus wrote;

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http://herbarium.0-700.pl/biblioteka...%20Mankind.pdf

Here is a small ebook called "Mushrooms and Mankind" by James Arthur.
It has been recommended to me by a stranger, and i have not yet read it myself... but it looks interesting from what i've seen in a quick-look.

i looked up james arthur and i came across this site
http://www.jamesarthur.nl/index2.html
he makes some nice art.
perhaps it's a different james arthur, but i doubt it.

Thank you for that. That's the real point of forums like this.

You can get honest information from people who have the same
interests as you.

Thanks again, Rossus for getting all this information together.

[rossus]

you don't have to thank me :)
by the way that book's got a lot of cool theories but if they're true or not.. that's another thing...
Nope, you've got a half truth there. Often they illegalize something because they want you to use it, and they want to be the sole proprietor's. For example, marijuana. However, the fact of the matter is that shrooms are illegal, but the illuminati still gives you access to spores! In other words, you can grow it yourself with a little research. I've done it.

I should make a thread on this because it's kinda confusing, even to me.
very true.

I'm not sure if this is still the case in the USA, but i suspect that Ayahuasca still is legal there as well as most other places of the world.
I've heard from some santo-daime guy, that they tried to illegalize it in the USA but they had not enough proof that the drug is dangerous so it remained legal.
Santo Daime is an entheogenic religion who uses a lot of ayahuasca. I have once gone to a cerenomy of theirs, where everyone drinks ayahuasca.

I did not feel much of the stuff.
Some of the dudes there, looked kind of possessed when under the influence of the drug.
And other dudes, just had some weird manners. Most of them were in the religion for a long time,
they had all used ayahuasca loads of times... and they did not seem very "unconditional loving" to me.

At the end though, when i was a bit disapointed about the experience.. that i did not have a mystical experience with the divine...
i've had a nice euforic feeling of love which felt very pure and lasted for hours. I felt scandalously good.

I don't know if this entheogenic religion, santo daime, is to be trusted or not.
What happens if "the plant decides to let you into her world" is not exactly clear to me,
is it god these people are in contact with... or some kind of demonic force?

I suspect the latter based on my paranoia at the time, but i really don't know :)
http://www.detoxifynow.com/ayahausca.html
here is a detailed report of someones experience with ayahuasca.

he also felt that ayahuasca is a sketchy drug, but at the end didn't quite know what to make of it.

[oneofmany]

http://herbarium.0-700.pl/biblioteka/Mushrooms%20and%20Mankind.pdf

Here is a small ebook called "Mushrooms and Mankind" by James Arthur.
It has been recommended to me by a stranger, and i have not yet read it myself... but it looks interesting from what i've seen in a quick-look.

i looked up james arthur and i came across this site
http://www.jamesarthur.nl/index2.html
he makes some nice art.
perhaps it's a different James Arthur, but i doubt it.The James Arthur website has shut down :( I only just found out that he died in 98, so somebody has been keeping his website running, up until the 20th of last month. It was a real gem of a website, with a lot of knowledge that you can't find elsewhere. So yes this link here http://www.jamesarthur.nl/index2.html is another James Arthur.

Also Ayahuasca is highly illegal in most western countries of the world. Owning one of the two plants is legal, but if they catch you with the two of them, it's the same charge in most places as having a pound of cocaine in your possession. and if they catch you with prepared Ayahuasca, look out