Lets do our own conference!

[baron von lotsov]

Are you sick and tired of listening to bullshit? Do you think you could do better yourself? Have you ever thought about putting together a talk?

If you are just one person the possibilities are limited but lets suppose a few of us did it. Lets say we arranged a joint talk and got together the best minds on this forum and a few others who each had their own specialist interests and took a slice of the cake to make their own presentation. Suppose we went against the grain and instead of dumbing it all down we did the opposite and offered an expert view of our own particular interests.

It seems there are a few of us on here who know a lot about particular aspects of the NWO and could do a very good talk for maybe ½ to 1 hour, condensing it into something packed with wisdom. Lets say there were about ten of us doing this and we all went under our forum names. I could maybe enlist some help from one or two I know from other places like NO2ID and maybe one or two political people such as UKIP talking about the EU and so on. I'd like to call it 'The New Normal'. That phrase is lifted from one Peter Powers of 7/7 fame. It's quite fitting don't you think? A conference on what was once considered to be extreme becomes normal. It should include themes like social engineering, environmental fraud, New Age brainwashing, and demise of democracy, mind control and so on.

Anyway it's just an idea I have been chewing on today and inspired by someone in my town doing a fraudulent CT type of conference featuring UFOs and mystics. I would like to do the real thing. Anyone up for it?

[malvern]

and dondaz can film it....... :D





freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[matthew84]

I think it is a good idea, but I feel I'm still in the learning stage. Although I agree with others who are more experienced/knowledgeable giving it a go.

[3stepsahead]

you could just present info in a movie and put it on google or youtube.

just need some bright ideas that get peoples attention.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes but my town, which is Glastonbury, is all geared up for this kind of thing because it is serving the elite to put out all the wrong shit, i.e. brainwashing, disinfo and cults of their kind. The plus side is that hall hire is cheap, only £12/hour and it could easily get a good plug in the local paper, plus some internet marketing.

I just think it would work much better since doing that kind of thing people are prepared to travel. I'd love to get some good names involved, e.g. Brian Gerrish would be one I would particularly be honoured to have speak. But we must learn to deliver the information ourselves as well. Nothing beats a live event.

[izzy]

id buy a ticket

[lightgiver]

I am up for it,but i live in france,
but if it did come off,i am prepared to travel to air my opinions,
and do try and get some high level politicians there and some media types as well ,so we can vent some frustration there way,and it get some coverage as well,how about getting murdoch there or cameron:rolleyes:fat chance of that,

it as to be sustained,not just a one off,
you are fighting dark forces here not a sunday school group.

[jim fear]

Its a good idea but like someone else said, im still learning about this stuff theres a mountain of information to get though and research. But still if there are people here who have done the homework then get them on board. The guys at "areyouinformed.com" would for one. Book them and they will come!

Maybe get this post moved to another part of the forum so it doesnt disappear under all the other rubbish.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes but I had in mind the sort of politicians who are on our side. They are fairly fringe at the moment but still speak for a lot of people. Actually come to think of it, it might be better just to determine who speaks on the basis of what they know and how it fits in with the general theme. It's too easy to sink into popular kinds of political positions, e.g. the anti-war crowd. I'd rather get people who through what they do and know can give new insight into how the NWO operates.

What I would not want is anyone with some kind of system agenda speaking since it is really crucial to make sure all the information is accurate and well sourced. I know a lot of people on here have more specialist interests in aspects of the NWO and they would be ideal. I'm a bit concerned that it might end up as a bit of an Ickeology thing or possibly perceived in that sense, so for that reason it's better to try and keep things matter-of-fact rather than philosophical.

We need to help people cope with the NWO and this would be for the purpose of passing on information on how people get screwed. For example someone could do one on health and how the system is messing with what we eat. Again though they need to have a deep understanding of the subject and in that example it would help enormously if they came from a medical background. I can do things like ID cards well because my background is in computing. We all have special interests in something or other.

[farros]

i really want to be a speaker like icke, wilcock etc.. anyone done any talks before? got any tips?? i dont think coming out with 'hallo i am dave 9/11 had nothing to do with al quida' is too smart, guess you have to butter up the audience first like tell a few jokes lol

[i_am]

What a great idea, baron.

Positive Action! I love it!

[baron von lotsov]

You have to prepare it beforehand like you would prepare an essay. You assemble your material and then do a huge filtering operation and pick the right things to best illustrate what you are trying to get across. Once you have decided on the material, don't read it like you are reading from a book but prepare some media, such as a few photos, diagrams, short video clips and so on. Use these to provide the structure and then adlib around those points.

You can't completely plan it since you are continuously getting feedback from the audience. Some things they might get confused by and so you explain more carefully and some things will be boring to them so you skip past those before boring them to death. Also the other thing is to be a good communicator and a lot of people lack that. However if you have spent many an evening having long talks with friends on complicated subjects as opposed to just being pissed and talking nonsense then it should come naturally. This is the trick, make it sound genuine.

[h2pogo]

great idea i have been thinking on these lines my self but have decided more on a cine show then a talk on what we can do.
after much pondering have decided a hour or so film would be easier than talking for an hour.
could charge on the door and sell truth dvds to cover costs and get the info out there.

[baron von lotsov]

I admit it is not the easiest thing in the world to stand up in front of a load of strangers and do a talk. It is made much harder by the feeling that what you are putting out is not standard accepted stuff, e.g. doing a talk on football or something, and that many people will feel uncomfortable that you are saying stuff that is not familiar to them. It takes balls to stand up and make the argument that you are right and the much bigger and all-powerful establishment are wrong. You will feel the urge to take refuge in quoting other people with more authority than you have or to try and make light of what you are saying or maybe just blow it out altogether. But if you do pull it off the effects can be all the more profound, exactly because few people do this sort of thing. OK there are New Agers who do but they can be comforted by an environment where everyone will agree with them due to their brainwashing and they are practiced at it as well.

I have only ever done one speech and it was to the district council to oppose a CCTV camera. I was on my tod, nearly everyone in the room thought CCTV was a public benefit and they were doing the public a great favour by 'giving' them this present. Then I step forward and launch an all out assault on the plan. Even the chairman was getting nervous towards the end. It started off slowly and kind of built up to a crescendo. While I was doing it though I ditched my notes entirely and spoke directly to them. This was the best thing to do and you are either able to do that or else you could end up doing what everyone fears when doing public speaking, and that is to clam up and forget what you were wanting to say as a kind of mental blockage hits you. The way out of this is really to know your subject and start slowly so you can build up a rapport with the audience.

[Ian2day]

Give a it a catchy name like Our Solution or The Info To Know

[tootrue]

Are you sick and tired of listening to bullshit?
and what exactly bullshit would you mean, baron?

[baron von lotsov]

Give a it a catchy name like Our Solution or The Info To Know

I think 'The New Normal' is perfect. It epitomises the NWO and its way of doing things from a psychological perspective.

[rise_to_addiction]

I produce Corporate Videos for a living so I would be happy to film it. The more professional we can present the message the more the sceptics are likely to pay attention. Use the power of media against the media.

[kweli]

Well I won't be coming, because Baron has preconceived ideas about females who wear jeans.. I don't wanna wear a skirt! :(

No, seriously, I think it's an awesome idea, and one I'd definitely support in whatever way I can. No skirt though.

[baron von lotsov]

Well I won't be coming, because Baron has preconceived ideas about females who wear jeans.. I don't wanna wear a skirt! :(

No, seriously, I think it's an awesome idea, and one I'd definitely support in whatever way I can. No skirt though.

Yes but I'll will be wearing a top hat of course!

Anyway it's an idea to chew on but it takes time for people to get their ideas together. We have had a few excellent threads on this forum with deep knowledge of the NWO being expressed by quite a few on here. My worry though is they probably live on the other side of the world or something, so it could be a little tricky. The thing is though the New Agers are managing to do this sort of thing and their disinfo goes virtually unchallenged in this town. Mind you the newspaper is pretty good and gave David Shayler's talk a big plug beforehand. Naturally the hall was packed.

[kweli]

Yes but I'll will be wearing a top hat of course!

Anyway it's an idea to chew on but it takes time for people to get their ideas together. We have had a few excellent threads on this forum with deep knowledge of the NWO being expressed by quite a few on here. My worry though is they probably live on the other side of the world or something, so it could be a little tricky. The thing is though the New Agers are managing to do this sort of thing and their disinfo goes virtually unchallenged in this town. Mind you the newspaper is pretty good and gave David Shayler's talk a big plug beforehand. Naturally the hall was packed.

Ah, that gimmick's already been done by the late Screaming Lord Sutch Baron.. what's up with a flat cap?

Yes, I agree, there's some very well researched articulate members on this forum that have a good comprehension of the NWO. Hopefully, some of them may come forward. I certainly don't profess to be anywhere near researched enough to speak in public; besides, I've had to do it several times already (politics & AA/NA) and I hated it! But I'm willing to help out with the practical side if it does come off.

[baron von lotsov]

I'd say probably the reason you hate it is because what you may have done before was a somewhat controlled environment where what you say is so narrowly defined and the audience so predictable that it is no fun and might be quite bland.

It doesn't have to be like that though and sometimes the people who tend not to do this kind of a thing as a job could make the best speakers if they have something they enjoy learning about and can pass on that enthusiasm.

I was noticing how the radio station they have broadcasting from Glastonbury Festival has changed over the years. To start with it was very amateur but it played the most amazing music. Now a few years on it has turned into an utterly tacky and bland NWO kind of a station with tacky jingles and robotised presenters. We don't want that, we want to do something that is human. Real life experiences are the way to communicate this stuff and if you have personally experienced aspects of the NWO then all the better.

This forum has its moments, it could work but we will need about 5-10 people on the frontline delivering the information. The best thing though is that it is stuff they have personally researched, copying what has gone before is going to be very uninspiring. I mean even mentioning 9/11 is a bit pointless now. We should dig much deeper into the way it works and a lot of that is to do with things like psychology and social engineering.

[edelweiss pirate]

Wow, what a great idea!

I think what I could contribute would be a personal awareness of what it is to be in the illuminati, without ever having taken any oaths, thus being free in body and soul to say what I know...

I must give you a cheer Baron for this excellent thread, little ever seems to grow on this fourm. This thread should be stickied to see it grow. It's kind of obvious really, all of these 'let's get it together' threads used to get stickied...

c'mon mods, isn't this thread fabulous!

We could pool our resources and hire a hall somewhere. print off and distribute fliers in pubs and around town. I reckon Glastonbury would be a good place to do it. London's just too big and it wouldn't make an appreciable impact.

[baron von lotsov]

edelweiss pirate

Cheers for the support. Actually you were one person I had in mind who I thought would be able to do a great talk on the Masonic/occult kind of goings on and that would make a good contribution to the understanding of the New Normal.

I wish there were some others who are in a position to speak on other matters so that it would make it into a kind of talk that covers most of the main areas. That's why I think we need a minimum of about 5 people. However there seems like there are more people who are more geared to the other aspects of doing this, e.g. videos and that sort of thing. We are lacking the content though.

As I said, I could maybe (possibly!) get a UKIP'er to do something on the EU and maybe a NO2ID'er to do something on the surveillance state, but it would have to be construed carefully since people are cagey about being associated with 'other' issues. It's basically the age-old problem of being associated with Icke and the common opinion most of the people have regarding conspiracies. That's why I'd like to steer clear of 9/11 because it automatically type casts you. I think Brian Gerrish does a good job in this, since he cuts close to the bone without being ridiculed. He's a smart man but even so he and Noakes have a bit of a problem with some of the UKIP'ers for talking about 'unproven theories'. A case of pleasing all of the people all of the time, but there is nothing like a challenge.

So what else could we cover? I'd love someone to be able to talk about how terrorism is keeping everyone on their toes for the purpose of mass distraction and paranoia while they build their police state. Maybe something on BF Skinner and some history to do with that sort of thing and I'd also like to cover the general 20th century history including WW1 & 2 as a sort of 'how did we get here' theme. That could be first and something to do with future technology could be last, so we have a chronological perspective to it.

[edelweiss pirate]

So Baron, it might help to make a list of all the people you've had on this thread who are interested.

I'm up for it.... How about we do it sometime during the summer, give me a couple of weeks to prepare something and I'll be there. Could do a 30 minute talk including a short question and answer session.

If anyone is worried about masons coming to crash the party then don't. The more we can get these idiots to show themselves the more we can expose them and learn what they're all about..

[baron von lotsov]

Well it's the sort of thing that needs to be put together right and I have a bit of a feeling it will take me a while to gather the speakers together. I think a lot of people have a bit of a fear about public talking. If you have done it before then there is no fear but people who have never done it might come a little unstuck.

It's a double difficulty, first to get a very complicated subject delivered in such a form that the public will understand it and then you have the problem that it is highly unconventional and controversial as well. So with these things I'd rather wait until I have all the right ingredients before running with it. To organise something also usually has quite a long lead-time. You have to get the event advertised and you have to get stuff printed up and all sorts so it can be quite a logistical problem.

The overriding thing though it that it does not just happen, but happens well and creates an impact. I'll have to have a think about who in the past has really shown a good command of the various subjects that need to be covered. I think there was one person on here who had a really good understanding of the communist/nazi stuff going on during WW2 and on the UKIP's forum there are a few who have amazingly detailed knowledge of history. With people like that it could make a bit of a hit video to put out on the web. (I'm very particular that it is right when it could go out on the web, you have to be really.)

[nessa felagund]

Wow, what a great idea!

I think what I could contribute would be a personal awareness of what it is to be in the illuminati, without ever having taken any oaths, thus being free in body and soul to say what I know...

I must give you a cheer Baron for this excellent thread, little ever seems to grow on this fourm. This thread should be stickied to see it grow. It's kind of obvious really, all of these 'let's get it together' threads used to get stickied...

c'mon mods, isn't this thread fabulous!

We could pool our resources and hire a hall somewhere. print off and distribute fliers in pubs and around town. I reckon Glastonbury would be a good place to do it. London's just too big and it wouldn't make an appreciable impact.

I agree--this thread needs stickied. Cheers to you guys as you get this organized. Hope it comes together. :)

[14april2000]

Yes but my town, which is Glastonbury, is all geared up for this kind of thing because it is serving the elite to put out all the wrong shit, i.e. brainwashing, disinfo and cults of their kind. The plus side is that hall hire is cheap, only £12/hour and it could easily get a good plug in the local paper, plus some internet marketing.

I just think it would work much better since doing that kind of thing people are prepared to travel. I'd love to get some good names involved, e.g. Brian Gerrish would be one I would particularly be honoured to have speak. But we must learn to deliver the information ourselves as well. Nothing beats a live event.


Baron where is Glastonbury is it in the english countryside? i live in denmark but i would come so what are the nearest airport in your area?

[baron von lotsov]

Baron where is Glastonbury is it in the english countryside? i live in denmark but i would come so what are the nearest airport in your area?



Bristol. You get a plane there and then you take the airport coach to Templemead Station in Bristol (approx 20 minutes) and then you get a bus outside the station directly to Glastonbury (just over 1 hour). Just make sure you don't miss the last bus at Bristol as it leaves about 10.30 pm.

That's Temple as in the Knights Templar by the way. There are some other temple kind of places on the way. It's a very old part of the country and there are interesting places to look at.

[kweli]

I'd say probably the reason you hate it is because what you may have done before was a somewhat controlled environment where what you say is so narrowly defined and the audience so predictable that it is no fun and might be quite bland.

It doesn't have to be like that though and sometimes the people who tend not to do this kind of a thing as a job could make the best speakers if they have something they enjoy learning about and can pass on that enthusiasm.

I was noticing how the radio station they have broadcasting from Glastonbury Festival has changed over the years. To start with it was very amateur but it played the most amazing music. Now a few years on it has turned into an utterly tacky and bland NWO kind of a station with tacky jingles and robotised presenters. We don't want that, we want to do something that is human. Real life experiences are the way to communicate this stuff and if you have personally experienced aspects of the NWO then all the better.

This forum has its moments, it could work but we will need about 5-10 people on the frontline delivering the information. The best thing though is that it is stuff they have personally researched, copying what has gone before is going to be very uninspiring. I mean even mentioning 9/11 is a bit pointless now. We should dig much deeper into the way it works and a lot of that is to do with things like psychology and social engineering.

It's a bit more than that. I really do hate being in the limelight. I wouldn't mind talking to individuals though, if I had enough preparation.

I totally agree with your other points. It needs to be based around issues that affect each and every one of us to have any real impact. For example.. It should be quite easy to demonstrate (and prove) how social engineering has contributed toward the breakdown of the family, community and ultimately - society.

Wow, what a great idea!

I think what I could contribute would be a personal awareness of what it is to be in the illuminati, without ever having taken any oaths, thus being free in body and soul to say what I know...

I must give you a cheer Baron for this excellent thread, little ever seems to grow on this fourm. This thread should be stickied to see it grow. It's kind of obvious really, all of these 'let's get it together' threads used to get stickied...

c'mon mods, isn't this thread fabulous!

We could pool our resources and hire a hall somewhere. print off and distribute fliers in pubs and around town. I reckon Glastonbury would be a good place to do it. London's just too big and it wouldn't make an appreciable impact.

I'm intrigued, sounds fascinating.

[baron von lotsov]

It's a bit more than that. I really do hate being in the limelight.

Yes, I'm exactly the same. I'm not a natural exhibitionist or anything and when you are coming across as you saying to everyone else 'it's not what you think it is, rather it is what I'm telling you it is' it can have the reaction of people saying/thinking 'who do you think you are'. This is basically brainwashing on their part for thinking that you have to be someone, i.e. elected by the system to actually say certain things. Since this brainwashing has been so deeply programmed into them from when they were a 2-year-old watching cartoons on the TV you have to invent ways of dealing with it.

I have various different approaches and when I was doing that speech to the council I pulled it off simply because I knew what I was talking about. I said something to do with their actions might one day be construed as illegal if there was a test case involving the Human Rights Act. Now that shocked them and I was in danger of getting that 'who do you think you are for saying that' reaction, but as I adlibbed since I knew a fair bit about law, it came across as me sounding like a solicitor to them. They didn't argue and took it on board. This is why you really do need to know your stuff because in the worst possible scenario you have hundreds of minds and experienced lives pitted against just your own mind. That's only the worst possible scenario, more than likely you will get a lot of positive feedback and of course that makes it easy, but if you are prepared for the worst it can only turn out better!

This is by the way an idea that I only just had before starting the thread so I'm just trying to gauge what people think. I like to sit on ideas for a bit and give it some time to look around and find the right people. Also there are two different halls that it can be done in around here. There is the Assembly Rooms which has a capacity of about 200 and we have the Town Hall which is about 500. They are both cheap for hiring out in the daytime but it's a case of how big do you make it and how many people are likely to turn up. I really don't know. The web is a funny place to market something.

[edelweiss pirate]

Yes, I'm exactly the same. I'm not a natural exhibitionist or anything and when you are coming across as you saying to everyone else 'it's not what you think it is, rather it is what I'm telling you it is' it can have the reaction of people saying/thinking 'who do you think you are'. This is basically brainwashing on their part for thinking that you have to be someone, i.e. elected by the system to actually say certain things. Since this brainwashing has been so deeply programmed into them from when they were a 2-year-old watching cartoons on the TV you have to invent ways of dealing with it.

I have various different approaches and when I was doing that speech to the council I pulled it off simply because I knew what I was talking about. I said something to do with their actions might one day be construed as illegal if there was a test case involving the Human Rights Act. Now that shocked them and I was in danger of getting that 'who do you think you are for saying that' reaction, but as I adlibbed since I knew a fair bit about law, it came across as me sounding like a solicitor to them. They didn't argue and took it on board. This is why you really do need to know your stuff because in the worst possible scenario you have hundreds of minds and experienced lives pitted against just your own mind. That's only the worst possible scenario, more than likely you will get a lot of positive feedback and of course that makes it easy, but if you are prepared for the worst it can only turn out better!

This is by the way an idea that I only just had before starting the thread so I'm just trying to gauge what people think. I like to sit on ideas for a bit and give it some time to look around and find the right people. Also there are two different halls that it can be done in around here. There is the Assembly Rooms which has a capacity of about 200 and we have the Town Hall which is about 500. They are both cheap for hiring out in the daytime but it's a case of how big do you make it and how many people are likely to turn up. I really don't know. The web is a funny place to market something.

The assembly rooms sound better at this stage, see who we can get from the forum and give out fliers in Glastonbury... Could make it a free event or a small charge of a couple of quid to try to cover the cost of the hall...

Assembly rooms sounds better, like 'our right to assembly' rather than the Town Hall which honks a bit of 'council'.

[livingthislife]

Some day they will make internet crash.
Some day they will control ALL the media and information.
The only opportunity is to come back to the old "face to face" talk.
Not big conferences, just small talks, by organized peaceful groups in different countries all over the world.
I have the picture of the old speakers...maybe I´m just a dreamer.

[baron von lotsov]

The assembly rooms sound better at this stage, see who we can get from the forum and give out fliers in Glastonbury... Could make it a free event or a small charge of a couple of quid to try to cover the cost of the hall...

Assembly rooms sounds better, like 'our right to assembly' rather than the Town Hall which honks a bit of 'council'.

Yes I think you are right. It shouldn't be much of a problem to fill it and quite a few conferences started off there and then shifted to the Town Hall after a few years. Mind you the Internet is rather unpredictable. Did you hear about that beach party advertised on Facebook? The police had to use emergency powers as they were expecting about 10 000 to turn up!

On the other side of the argument the Kensington and Chelsea branch of NO2ID set up a conference in London and had some really high profile speakers which I recall included a couple of Thatcher's cabinet, I think John Redwood was one of them. Anyway you'd expect a few to turn up but I think they got little over 100. This is always the problem with organising stuff, the public are very unpredictable. Generally though the more intelligent something is the less people you get coming along. Another aspect of the New Normal.

[reptileslayer]

Yes I think you are right. It shouldn't be much of a problem to fill it and quite a few conferences started off there and then shifted to the Town Hall after a few years. Mind you the Internet is rather unpredictable. Did you hear about that beach party advertised on Facebook? The police had to use emergency powers as they were expecting about 10 000 to turn up!

On the other side of the argument the Kensington and Chelsea branch of NO2ID set up a conference in London and had some really high profile speakers which I recall included a couple of Thatcher's cabinet, I think John Redwood was one of them. Anyway you'd expect a few to turn up but I think they got little over 100. This is always the problem with organising stuff, the public are very unpredictable. Generally though the more intelligent something is the less people you get coming along. Another aspect of the New Normal.I also think its a great idea baron, i live in the lakes in the north west, and i would be prepared to travel to anywhere in england, to a conference. I also would be willing to do a talk, as i feel that i have a very interesting contribution to make. you are welcome to contact me if you wish my e-mail is anthony@gurualvin.mail1.co.uk

[baron von lotsov]

Can you give me some idea of what it is you had in mind to talk about? You see I think for this to work you need a kind of theme running through it or else it would sound to disjointed. I'm suggesting we do it on a psychological manipulation theme but I'd like to give it a historical aspect as well. I mean to show examples of the many movers and shakers in the recent past, i.e. primarily the 20th century. I don't want to get into anything much further back than that since I think most of the NWO structure came about from about the turn of the century onwards. Historical parallels are fine but there are already loads of people doing all this business to do with ancient history that it would loose its credibility somewhat. I'm trying to show how it is more directly connected, e.g. the Club of Rome meetings in the early 70s leading to the environmental movement and that sort of thing. We can dig up bona fide documents to prove this sort of thing.

[paradox]

I would be very happy to cast a few word in the cameras way.....

I have been visited by other higher knowledge being man that can contorl your brain dude!

Amazing story,,, i just need to sit down and go through it in detail have a look at this thread for the basics:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29418

my life and other finding have led me here like all of us and I need a way to output this information.

An interview type session would be good where your questions are like preroled first, everybody likes answers.

[edelweiss pirate]

I would be very happy to cast a few word in the cameras way.....

I have been visited by other higher knowledge being man that can contorl your brain dude!

Amazing story,,, i just need to sit down and go through it in detail have a look at this thread for the basics:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29418

my life and other finding have led me here like all of us and I need a way to output this information.

An interview type session would be good where your questions are like preroled first, everybody likes answers.

I would love to hear about that mate, I reckon that's just the kind of thing people want to hear, whether they believe your or not, I reckon people would be fascinated, it would also be a warning to the unwary...

Your material would connect quite well to what I could talk about.... except my being manipulated by other beings was limited... I bet you could fill in the gaps....

Together we could provide a complete picture of what the hell is actually going in on earth right now...

And I'd like to know what you would talk about ReptileSlayer...

I think we're doing pretty damn well so far..

[paradox]

yes can we meet up and do a video about my experiences etc and fill in the mind control time warping bits and abilities of control over us.

[baron von lotsov]

OK but if I were to play devils advocate here and say I was a member of the public I might think that you did a lot of mushrooms, i.e. you took lots of drugs and that made you very high. I might be someone who disapproves of drugs and think that the New World Order purposefully pushes their popularity in order to destroy people's minds, and you are a witness of that.

What I'm saying is what point would you make from it? If you were to say you found it good/fun/exciting/rewarding etc then people would seriously doubt the credibility of the conference and think that we all have these strange ideas because we all take drugs, as in how Icke constantly gets attacked. I mean if you were in some cult that forced you to take them and the cult was connected in some way to the NWO power structure and you could reveal stuff about it as a witness then I'd say that would be excellent, but what I see is that you did it voluntarily and that may well be looked down upon by quite a lot of people.

You see if you do a conference that discusses intellectual/political kind of stuff you will likely attract some pretty smart people and certainly a fair few who don't go anywhere near drugs. Lets say we had the kind of audience Brian Gerrish had, i.e. political people, town councillors MEPs and those kind then I'm certain it would go down like a lead balloon. The area I live in is very conservative on the whole but that in itself is not a problem, although you do have to bear in mind that there is a bit of a hippy/anti-hippy divide around here. Also If I were to invite say a speaker from NO2ID they have a good reputation that they mean to hang on to so it would likewise create embarrassment if it was interpreted in the wrong way and at the very least people would rightly think it was self inflicted. You would have to explain that to them in a convincing way.

[paradox]

yes but i think your failing to realise that nealry all religions and cults are based on some sort of drug taking and mind control.

even you food today controls and changes you.

Say if you was the first person on earth and you saw thing like muchrooms growing out of the ground would you experiment with them? obviously...


They were put ther to give you a right damn good lesson you never forget

Some of them are halucinations and nice trippy ones but thes are horrible and real.

this guy was a wonderer I took in felt sorry for him, he in the army was into satanic stuff and we had the shrooms togther and he turned into a brain control accuser man serious

Its not some druged up bullshit man.

I never knew about david icke or anything about this until it happened to me

[politico]

It is a great idea and could over a period of time be made to work.
One of DI's probems is that the media love to portray him as one weird guy on a mission.
We need to plan not one talk in one location-though Glastonbury is an ideal starting point, but a series of talks up and down the country covering a variety of issues.
I have been involved in politics and am only too aware what an utter waste of time the mainstream can be.
But if we can build up quietly spreading our thirst for knowledge face to face-then maybe we can affect change in a positive way.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes but I think we might have a bit of an issue about what to talk about. All these conspiracy groups get infiltrated and the thing we need to be most careful of is coming across like the popular establishment press try and present us as, i.e. David Icke loons.

This therefore needs to be done properly and I think we must stick to scientific research and properly reasoned and sourced material. I'm not so keen on too much of this stuff where people think they acquire knowledge through hallucinogenic experiences; I think there is a great danger of that entirely destroying all credibility. There are already conferences aimed at that sort of thing and one of them is called 'Now That's Weird'. It is run by self-confessed occultist Graham Robertson, who in my opinion is one of their agents and he is entering into the conspiracy market as we speak.

I'd like to do something genuine and something that can be understood by all. Once you end up as a group you can end up a bit detached from normal people and it's just those kinds of people you need to inform, especially if they are decision makers. So we need people good at research and people who know their subject well enough that they can answer any questions from the audience.

I mean there are several subjects I could choose, like I could even do the historical part to it but I'm just not a specialist in history and I would probably stumble if hit with something highly specific. My specialisation is computer science, so someone else needs to do it and I'd be better at talking about computer/ID card surveillance and that sort of thing. And yes I have been questioned by some of the best on these matters so I know what it is like. It could take some time to find the right people but its something to work towards.

[neutron flux]

This therefore needs to be done properly and I think we must stick to scientific research and properly reasoned and sourced material.

Political Ponerology written by clinical psychologist Andrew Lobaczewski is excellent in regards to this as he also lived and studied under the harsh conditions of Soviet Union control.

[lizzy]

It is a great idea and could over a period of time be made to work.
One of DI's probems is that the media love to portray him as one weird guy on a mission.
We need to plan not one talk in one location-though Glastonbury is an ideal starting point, but a series of talks up and down the country covering a variety of issues.
I have been involved in politics and am only too aware what an utter waste of time the mainstream can be.
But if we can build up quietly spreading our thirst for knowledge face to face-then maybe we can affect change in a positive way.


I think that is right, although I am in the US, I think I could still contribute a small paper.;)

It might be nearly time for baron it offer a list of subject matter that we might choose from? Just a thought.

[baron von lotsov]

Well I thought the theme could be to do with how the establishment manipulate us. It's primarily psychological in nature but it would extend into a lot of areas. I think cult groups like the New Age and the environmental movement certainly hold a big influence. There is then the TV and mass media, the arts, e.g. the Frankfurt School. Social engineering, feminism, homosexual agenda, attack of Christianity and tradition and using the Muslims and other immigrants, surveillance and so on. The list is practically endless but it needs to have a hook on the general theme. I'd like some case studies of some of the movers and shakers, BF skinner should definitely get a mention. Aldous Huxley, Bertrand Russell and maybe right up to the present day e.g. Julian Le Grand, the IPPR, DEMOS…

[14april2000]

Bristol. You get a plane there and then you take the airport coach to Templemead Station in Bristol (approx 20 minutes) and then you get a bus outside the station directly to Glastonbury (just over 1 hour). Just make sure you don't miss the last bus at Bristol as it leaves about 10.30 pm.

That's Temple as in the Knights Templar by the way. There are some other temple kind of places on the way. It's a very old part of the country and there are interesting places to look at.

Thank you very much for the infomation baron but this idea that we should have our own conference is a future pet project right?

[kweli]

I understand these events need time to organise and preparation is all important, but if it's going to happen, it needs to be sooner rather than later. Times running out.. there's so many agendas storming ahead right now, we're being bombarded from all angles. Our freedoms are becoming more restricted by the day.

[dondaz]

Hey baron. Really good idea. I would definately be prepared to film it for the cause. No problem.

I'm also not shy to talk about my experiences regarding the nwo agenda in my area too. I've been practising at the police meetings!

It's an option anyway!

This could work and work well.

Nice one baron.

[politico]

I have twice been a parliamentary candidate-and my key area of interest/knowledge is the EU-I would happily help.

[baron von lotsov]

I have twice been a parliamentary candidate-and my key area of interest/knowledge is the EU-I would happily help.

That sounds fascinating. Did you stand for an anti-EU party or as an independent campaigning against the EU?

I have been spending a fair bit of time chatting to the UKIP people on their forum and I get the feeling we all have a lot in common. The EU is one of the big building blocks of this globalist system and I have found people to have really done their homework on it. There are some excellent declassified documents around the 70s period showing the actions of the infiltrators. So yes the EU definitely needs covering and you will get a lot of support around here for being anti-EU. Even our local Libdem, David Heath, made a stand and resigned from his post recently over it.

[politico]

Yes Baron I came to ukip almost via Icke in about 1999.
I was the Parliamentary candidate for Stockport in 2005 and will stand again for the adjacent constituency of Cheadle whenever jovial Gordie decides to take the plunge-probably 2010.

you can read all you like on my blog.

http://ricksimpson.blogspot.com

If you think we can help build something -let me know.
Regarding the tricky subject of being associated with david Ickes work I think that it could actually act as a positive as the media may actually want to hear what I have got to say. If only to see if I make a fool of myself.
Besides there is no rule saying which part of Davids work anyone has to believe in-my biggest area of interest was how those pesky Bilderbergers created the EU to imprison us with a velvet coated fist of iron.

[lizzy]

Actually politico.....I think your right.:)....the MSM would come on that basis.

I also subscribe do not subscribe to reptiles.:D

[baron von lotsov]

Yes Baron I came to ukip almost via Icke in about 1999.
I was the Parliamentary candidate for Stockport in 2005 and will stand again for the adjacent constituency of Cheadle whenever jovial Gordie decides to take the plunge-probably 2010.

you can read all you like on my blog.

http://ricksimpson.blogspot.com

If you think we can help build something -let me know.
Regarding the tricky subject of being associated with david Ickes work I think that it could actually act as a positive as the media may actually want to hear what I have got to say. If only to see if I make a fool of myself.
Besides there is no rule saying which part of Davids work anyone has to believe in-my biggest area of interest was how those pesky Bilderbergers created the EU to imprison us with a velvet coated fist of iron.

Yes a funny thing happened when I posted a quote from this forum on the UKIP's forum. Everyone had a right old giggle over lizards and such like. The thread was 'Will it be the Irish who bring down the Constitution?' or something along those lines and way before anyone had really considered that they had a right to a referendum. Well they are taking the Irish people seriously now, including the Irish person I had quoted. The moral of the story is that if you want to know something find out from someone who lives there. So likewise I'm sure your experience of politics would be of great interest around here. We have David Heathcoat Amory as an MP and he resigned over the Euro. Labour are virtually non-existent as well.

Anyway I'm just at the stage of testing the water to see what people think about some public speaking. I think we would need to set things up really well to make it work since it's pretty tricky to get a large audience when it is something that involves thinking rather than the usual bland entertainment. We could achieve it via the web though and that would make it a really good audience. The papers would love the idea of people coming from all over the place and it's not too difficult to get a plane here either. Plus it’s a nice place to visit.

[vienna]

I'd be very interested in this too

[monkfish]

Yeah,sounds like a great idea

[baron von lotsov]

I'd be very interested in this too

Hi, thanks for the interest. I was wondering whether you had any special interests regarding the NWO. I'm sure we have had some good debates in the past but my memory can't quite get a grip on who is who, what people say etc all of the time, due to the huge number of posts that get posted. I had a look at your posting history and you seem to have a wide range of different subjects and of course this forum tends to be a bit generalist anyway.

With such a talk it has to be structured so that the person in the audience has a better grip on things. Is there anything that you know a lot about that relevant to the psychological manipulation over the course of the last century, or do you have any relevant experience maybe acquired in previous jobs or people you know etc? People always tend to take more notice when say they are talking about something and they can say 'I did that and so I know from first hand experience'. For example Icke can talk about the BBC with an authority since he actually worked there. Maybe I could talk about ID cards and surveillance because of my experience with NO2ID etc.

I'm personally more from a scientific background but it would be great to have people from the arts as well. The Frankfurt School is something that has played a major part and so the arts should be taken just as seriously as the scientific control measures. The communists were always big in the arts, they called it culture.

[pduffy4]

Are you sick and tired of listening to bullshit? Do you think you could do better yourself? Have you ever thought about putting together a talk?

If you are just one person the possibilities are limited but lets suppose a few of us did it. Lets say we arranged a joint talk and got together the best minds on this forum and a few others who each had their own specialist interests and took a slice of the cake to make their own presentation. Suppose we went against the grain and instead of dumbing it all down we did the opposite and offered an expert view of our own particular interests.

It seems there are a few of us on here who know a lot about particular aspects of the NWO and could do a very good talk for maybe ½ to 1 hour, condensing it into something packed with wisdom. Lets say there were about ten of us doing this and we all went under our forum names. I could maybe enlist some help from one or two I know from other places like NO2ID and maybe one or two political people such as UKIP talking about the EU and so on. I'd like to call it 'The New Normal'. That phrase is lifted from one Peter Powers of 7/7 fame. It's quite fitting don't you think? A conference on what was once considered to be extreme becomes normal. It should include themes like social engineering, environmental fraud, New Age brainwashing, and demise of democracy, mind control and so on.

Anyway it's just an idea I have been chewing on today and inspired by someone in my town doing a fraudulent CT type of conference featuring UFOs and mystics. I would like to do the real thing. Anyone up for it?

How about asking Geremy Paxman to speak about how CRAP the BBC is? Here are some of his opinions about it here http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/2007/08/the_james_mactaggart_memorial_lecture.html

Good idea Baron!:D

[sithnemesis]

I welcome the idea, but one should be careful, it might be too much to chew on...

[baron von lotsov]

Well you see I have had a little organising experience before, but really that just makes me all the more cautious. Unlike popular myth, when you organise something people don't just flock to your door. Some people think the same way when starting a business, they think as soon as they open the shop door people will flood in and they will be smokin' that big fat cigar before long. This is a myth and the reason people think that is because most events they witness selling out in record time (e.g. Glastonbury Festival) are because the elite have endless supplies of money and media power to push these things, but in a surreptitious manner, so people don't realise they are being pushed whatever it is.

Now you will find it tough work even putting on a band these days and I have seen many gigs where there might be no more than five people turning up in addition to the band themselves. Also consider that pop music is something that has been hyped a lot by the media and is something the system would want you to do. However doing a talk exposing them and one that is intelligent is going to be a difficult task. I don't say impossible but certainly one that should only be done if it is likely to work. In addition someone or some people always have to carry the can for the event. I mean they have to take responsibility, make a few tough decisions and put up their cash and reputation, never mind all the other hassle. So it's far easier to knock someone down who is trying to do it than the job they would have in order to make it a success.

I'm just testing the water a the moment. Seeing who would be up for it, what people could talk about and so on. When all the components are in place it would be possible to press the go button but once you have done that you have to run with it, come what may.

[myeika]

Hi Baron,

Thanks for this thread!

A few friends and I have been talking about doing something similar in our little village in Norfolk, and then spreading round to the other villages in the area! But in all reality that is all we have done, talk!

This is a really good idea, for in the mainstream of people, they like to see and here what they think of as a ‘normal’ every day person sharing information with them, which has been experienced personally – if you know what I mean?

Could I just add a thought that has come to me whilst reading this thread….

It is all good to help enlighten people to the things that are being kept from us, but I personally feel that there is another issue that should go along with this too…..

How to live a harmonious life, become a conscious aware being and survive the changing times with out going mad!

To me this is a very important part of what is happening here too…..

I would be willing to help, if my help is needed….. Just pm me….

Luv n hugs

[boots]

I have had an interest in this thread for a while and it doesn't seem like anyone has got any thing up and running I think the mods are trying but anyway he is a conference facility that I have been into for about 3 years.

The guy that set it up has been slung in jail on trumped up charges of contempt (Dr David Simiton) but the conference software is still running.

You can text, talk as well as have a web cam image.

There are only a few of us on it now :(

Here is the email that was sent to me have a read and join up you can talk any time. feel free.

If this is your first visit to our Spiritual Conference facilities, held every Wednesday evening, via the Internet, run from Melbourne Australia, then welcome. You will need to complete the "ONCE ONLY" steps below is order to join us every Wednesday night.

In order that you can access the Spiritual Conference room, you MUST (ONCE ONLY), run the "Spiritual Room" set-up step, by clicking on the link below, which is also included in every week's password e-mail, for the purpose of allowing "new guests" to join our conferences:

www.IAmThatIAm.cc/Conference/IAmThatIAm.exe (http://www.iamthatiam.cc/Conference/IAmThatIAm.exe)

Make sure that you select the "IAmThatIAm" conference room, if it does not show by default, BEFORE entering the weekly password.

The next week's password, which will give you access to the Spiritual Conference, is shown below:

This new password is already activated for those wanting to privately use the Conference Facilities prior to next Wednesday night.

This Week's Password:



LiveLong&Prosper (PaSSwOrD is CAse SenSItivE & include any blanks between words too)

Please note that the above password must be typed exactly as shown above, as the password is CaSE-SeNsiTiVe i.e. Upper and Lowercase letters must be observed:


The above password is VALID NOW, and is the password that can be used to use the Spiritual Conference facilities, right through until the next week's password is issued. This allows attendees to organise and use these facilities for any private spiritual meetings they wish to hold outside of the scheduled weekly conference on a Wednesday evening.

Introducing a Guest/Visitor:

If you wish to invite a visitor to join us on Wednesday conference nights, you must send a request e-mail for them to:

ConferenceAdmin@IAmThatIAm.cc

Please provide your guest's first and last name as well as their e-mail address.

Upon receipt of this information, your guest will then receive weekly password notifications.

Downloading the Spiritual Conference Software:

Anyone can download the conference software, by forwarding this e-mail to a prospective guest, and by getting them to click on the link below.

The Spiritual Conference room software will then download and load onto your guest's computer:

www.IAmThatIAm.cc/Conference/IAmThatIAm.exe (http://www.iamthatiam.cc/Conference/IAmThatIAm.exe)

How to Sign Into Conference Room:

When you sign in to the conference room, please enter you name, select chat room "IAmThatIAm", and then click on the "OK" button.

Next you will be presented with a new pop-up box, headed "Conference is Protected," which is where you enter the current week's password (above) in the box headed "Please Enter Password."

Then click on the "OK" button to join the Spiritual Conference.

Thank you.

Conference Administrator

[edelweiss pirate]

I have had an interest in this thread for a while and it doesn't seem like anyone has got any thing up and running I think the mods are trying but anyway he is a conference facility that I have been into for about 3 years.

The guy that set it up has been slung in jail on trumped up charges of contempt (Dr David Simiton) but the conference software is still running.

You can text, talk as well as have a web cam image.

There are only a few of us on it now :(

Here is the email that was sent to me have a read and join up you can talk any time. feel free.

If this is your first visit to our Spiritual Conference facilities, held every Wednesday evening, via the Internet, run from Melbourne Australia, then welcome. You will need to complete the "ONCE ONLY" steps below is order to join us every Wednesday night.

In order that you can access the Spiritual Conference room, you MUST (ONCE ONLY), run the "Spiritual Room" set-up step, by clicking on the link below, which is also included in every week's password e-mail, for the purpose of allowing "new guests" to join our conferences:

www.IAmThatIAm.cc/Conference/IAmThatIAm.exe (http://www.iamthatiam.cc/Conference/IAmThatIAm.exe)

Make sure that you select the "IAmThatIAm" conference room, if it does not show by default, BEFORE entering the weekly password.

The next week's password, which will give you access to the Spiritual Conference, is shown below:

This new password is already activated for those wanting to privately use the Conference Facilities prior to next Wednesday night.

This Week's Password:



LiveLong&Prosper (PaSSwOrD is CAse SenSItivE & include any blanks between words too)

Please note that the above password must be typed exactly as shown above, as the password is CaSE-SeNsiTiVe i.e. Upper and Lowercase letters must be observed:


The above password is VALID NOW, and is the password that can be used to use the Spiritual Conference facilities, right through until the next week's password is issued. This allows attendees to organise and use these facilities for any private spiritual meetings they wish to hold outside of the scheduled weekly conference on a Wednesday evening.

Introducing a Guest/Visitor:

If you wish to invite a visitor to join us on Wednesday conference nights, you must send a request e-mail for them to:

ConferenceAdmin@IAmThatIAm.cc

Please provide your guest's first and last name as well as their e-mail address.

Upon receipt of this information, your guest will then receive weekly password notifications.

Downloading the Spiritual Conference Software:

Anyone can download the conference software, by forwarding this e-mail to a prospective guest, and by getting them to click on the link below.

The Spiritual Conference room software will then download and load onto your guest's computer:

www.IAmThatIAm.cc/Conference/IAmThatIAm.exe (http://www.iamthatiam.cc/Conference/IAmThatIAm.exe)

How to Sign Into Conference Room:

When you sign in to the conference room, please enter you name, select chat room "IAmThatIAm", and then click on the "OK" button.

Next you will be presented with a new pop-up box, headed "Conference is Protected," which is where you enter the current week's password (above) in the box headed "Please Enter Password."

Then click on the "OK" button to join the Spiritual Conference.

Thank you.

Conference Administrator

Fantastic... I've downloaded that stuff and might be around for one of those Wednesdays when my holidays begin...

[baron von lotsov]

Hi Baron,

... but I personally feel that there is another issue that should go along with this too…..

How to live a harmonious life, become a conscious aware being and survive the changing times with out going mad!

To me this is a very important part of what is happening here too…..

I would be willing to help, if my help is needed….. Just pm me….

Luv n hugs

You want to know how to stop going mad as a result of the psychological onslaught that the NWO is causing. Well that is an interesting subject and I have a few ideas. They mainly involve around being able to recognise mind control, since once you recognise someone is trying to deceive you and you know because you recognise the technique or techniques being applied then you are ten times stronger. Madness seems to be a kind of illness of the mind when it can't cope anymore and can't make sense of the information it is receiving. Once you make sense of it the mind engages itself to act upon the information for your own self-preservation. So the key to it all is to know what they are doing to you. That I had intended to be a large chunk of what should be covered.

[edelweiss pirate]

You want to know how to stop going mad as a result of the psychological onslaught that the NWO is causing. Well that is an interesting subject and I have a few ideas. They mainly involve around being able to recognise mind control, since once you recognise someone is trying to deceive you and you know because you recognise the technique or techniques being applied then you are ten times stronger. Madness seems to be a kind of illness of the mind when it can't cope anymore and can't make sense of the information it is receiving. Once you make sense of it the mind engages itself to act upon the information for your own self-preservation. So the key to it all is to know what they are doing to you. That I had intended to be a large chunk of what should be covered.

That's very well said.

It's about self recognition, if you forget 'yourself' then for all intents and purposes you are disassociative and cannot function in society. Much New Age stuff seems to force people to lose their ego, which is fine in moderation, but taken to the 'mystical' extreme, can be very dangerous. So 'hang on to your ego' as Brian Wilson once said. I guess that guy knows about being mad.

[myeika]

Once you make sense of it the mind engages itself to act upon the information for your own self-preservation. So the key to it all is to know what they are doing to you. That I had intended to be a large chunk of what should be covered.

Thats cool.......:D I have found with alot of places/talks etc this is one of the most important things folks need help with, and is missing!:(

[boots]

Fantastic... I've downloaded that stuff and might be around for one of those Wednesdays when my holidays begin...

Great EP I'd think you would like it. There are a lot of good people in the conference and there is no one abusing anybody no one likes that sort of thing .

BTW, there's no "I love occult" people either.

[baron von lotsov]

Thats cool.......:D I have found with alot of places/talks etc this is one of the most important things folks need help with, and is missing!:(

The trouble is that in times of universal deceit there are a lot of charlatans who make money out of other's predicaments. As the NWO, by utter stealth, takes control they will welcome these people so they can give the people their snake oil remedies. Indeed it serves the NWO perfectly for them to do this and that is why you see so many 'miracle cures' for something people largely misunderstand.

Now if anyone pretends the solution is simple and all you need to do is follow their step-by-step guide then you can be quite sure you are being taken up the garden path. It's not simple, it is a vastly sophisticated plan and something that is not going to budge easily. We have tried it back at the NO2ID, and although we are making good progress it has not been easy. When you are involved with attacking one of their essential strategies you can see first hand how absolutely committed they are to this plan.

So in my opinion there is only one thing for it, we must get to grips with what is going on. We need to get organised and do our own research properly. People on here are good at copying other's work but we need to discover stuff ourselves. What I want to see is people breaking new ground and getting closer to the facts. Brian Gerrish is an excellent example of what I'm talking about. We need more people like that and it's not impossible to do, its more a matter of being focused. You could even say narrow-minded, as an expert would be. That's what it means to probe something, to focus your concentration on the matter in hand and target where the fraud is taking place, hence narrow, as in ignoring all the disinfo and only admitting what is relevant.

I think it can be done but it will take some time. NO2ID do it and just in the last few days I was having a discussion about something and notice my comments in an article in The Spectator. We have people listening now, its extremely positive and the press are pulling themselves out of the dark. Bit by bit though, you have to be patient with people since it's simply too much to comprehend in one go. We try the methodical approach. We gain ground against the government inch by inch and never give it back to them. Slowly steadily and surely.

[monkfish]

Hello. Without reading through the whole thread,is there any dates,times,places sorted for this yet?

[planetsadhana]

likewise monkfish, this is such a positive thing to do:)

[baron von lotsov]

Hello. Without reading through the whole thread,is there any dates,times,places sorted for this yet?



No because we don't have the people to talk, never mind getting it all booked up. I think that plus getting a good turnout would be two of the biggest problems, and they are mutually dependent on one another. Like any gig those are the two factors, the product and the audience, and the product is always specified in terms of names. You need names to pull the people and you need the people to pull the names, so that's the way it is.

Often the reason you don't see a lot of something is that it is not easy or sometimes impossible to do. So to be the first to get something like this together requires more than if it were something of a regular thing. e.g. if you put a band on people are used to going out and seeing bands and so that is rather predictable compared to something like this.

There are all sorts of issues to consider and I'm wondering about this web business. This is where it could make or break things. We would not have sufficient locals to make it worthwhile but if it were marketed on the web then we 'might' make it work. Two different factors are in play here, the first is distance that people would travel and the second is the size of the number of people who would get to hear about it and want to go. All I really have to go on regarding people on this forum is the anti-NWO thing in London the other day where about 100 people turned up.

That puts a number on it but London is far more urbanised, there are about 10 million people in Greater London, my town has about 10 000. The plus side though is its a great place to visit in the summer. That would be a double bonus if people were to travel some distance and accommodation is cheap and of good quality etc. Our town gets about 350 000 tourists per year as it is and many from other countries. I'd have to consult someone who does web marketing to make this work.

[monkfish]

No because we don't have the people to talk, never mind getting it all booked up. I think that plus getting a good turnout would be two of the biggest problems, and they are mutually dependent on one another. Like any gig those are the two factors, the product and the audience, and the product is always specified in terms of names. You need names to pull the people and you need the people to pull the names, so that's the way it is.

Often the reason you don't see a lot of something is that it is not easy or sometimes impossible to do. So to be the first to get something like this together requires more than if it were something of a regular thing. e.g. if you put a band on people are used to going out and seeing bands and so that is rather predictable compared to something like this.

There are all sorts of issues to consider and I'm wondering about this web business. This is where it could make or break things. We would not have sufficient locals to make it worthwhile but if it were marketed on the web then we 'might' make it work. Two different factors are in play here, the first is distance that people would travel and the second is the size of the number of people who would get to hear about it and want to go. All I really have to go on regarding people on this forum is the anti-NWO thing in London the other day where about 100 people turned up.

That puts a number on it but London is far more urbanised, there are about 10 million people in Greater London, my town has about 10 000. The plus side though is its a great place to visit in the summer. That would be a double bonus if people were to travel some distance and accommodation is cheap and of good quality etc. Our town gets about 350 000 tourists per year as it is and many from other countries. I'd have to consult someone who does web marketing to make this work.

Well if you put it that way.
I live in Stoke and would gladly travel down,but i understand where you are coming from. Although i would guess there are some pretty nifty speakers lurkng on these forums who just dont know it yet.
Book them and they will come:)

[baron von lotsov]

Well it's all to do with names but from what I see out there is that a lot of these speakers are pushing some other kind of agenda. For example we have a Glastonbury crop circle conference but some of the people involved in that I would not trust with a barge pole. I think they have an alien agenda they want to get people to believe in and it always seems you get at least someone from the MOD who claims to have insider knowledge. Actually if they were doing what they claim they would be arrested under the OSA but of course they are allowed to say this shit because it is not a state secret.

The best name I can think of is Brian Gerrish, he would certainly be the kind of person who would make a good contribution but we need others who can compliment it. It's not the case that you have one component that will make all the rest of it happen and these days it's very difficult to get people off their arses. For example NO2ID has 40 000 members but when they do a protest you might get 20 people involved.

I still think it is possible to do though but it would be better to wait until we can get a good five strong speakers and then anyone else can add to that as and when. But you need that core of people and so far I'm not certain many people would have the material to cover about a one-hour talk. Some people would though and I have come across some people on here who could probably write a book on it. I'm going to have to keep my eyes open and see what I can come up with. What most interest me is original research and how many people on here post original stuff that they have personally investigated. Not a lot really but at some point I hope this will change. It's not that impossible to do, you just have to be a bit of a detective. Your place of work might just be a starting point if you work for an important NWO corporation. (Go and get a temping job with the Tavistock Institute all you secretaries!)

[hirschfelder]

For example we have a Glastonbury crop circle conference but some of the people involved in that I would not trust with a barge pole.

Why? What do you think they might do with it?

[baron von lotsov]

Why? What do you think they might do with it?

I think one possibility is to create cults. You will already notice many UFO type of cults around and I think they think it serves them by being able to control people. You should take a look at some of their latest videos, I saw one the other day and it was staring me in the face as to what the purpose is. Yes, it was very much brainwashing material and I have seen people fall for it, especially women. One of them was watching it with us and completely taken in by it. Now this has been going on for a long time and I saw a very interesting one from the 1970s as well. It is totally cult stuff complete with all the mysterious backing music to lull you into an alpha state. I'm trying to expose this and not promote it.

[hirschfelder]

I think one possibility is to create cults.

The cult of the barge pole? Sounds pretty nefarious, I'll keep my eyes peeled. Thanks for the heads up, Baron

[monkfish]

Its not so much names,ie the speakers,its the subject being spoken about

[dondaz]

I'm still willing to film the event if anyone is interested baron. If some speakers wish not to be filmed, that's fine, I'll go with that too!

You could pull this off mate and it could be really good.

[monkfish]

I'm still willing to film the event if anyone is interested baron. If some speakers wish not to be filmed, that's fine, I'll go with that too!

You could pull this off mate and it could be really good.
I could film too,i make my own films so all's well on that side.
Would love for this to happen,we dont have to start off big. Just a dozen of speakers having there say,should be a fun day,then build up from there.

[baron von lotsov]

Its not so much names,ie the speakers,its the subject being spoken about


I agree and therefore I think originality would go a long way to making it a good talk. It's just that even with professional writers you don't get very much of that these days. I think I'll just have to bump into them at some point. I seem to have a knack for this sort of thing.

However I would be most concerned not to let it degenerate into space aliens and lizards. We need solid material of what is happening in the here and now. A lot of people on the Internet are out of the loop but I do know of one Ex-UN environmental scientist who could do a blinding talk on global warming. He's not a happy chappy after being swindled by the UN and he is keen to educate people. If we managed to get him and Brian Gerrish then it would be a serious talk. We just need a few others and in time hopefully they will appear.

[chump]

You want media coverage and I want to make a documentary...

How about a partnership? When would the conference be?

[baron von lotsov]

I meant media promotion before the event to get it popular enough to make it a success. It seems we have more people who would like to video it than people speaking. The trouble is that if we have more people wanting to video it and watch the video than wanting to turn up and/or speak then we simply don't have the product to video. The other thing is that it is quite a tall order to deliver a one hour talk and I think some people would find it all the more stressful when being videoed. You see with video if someone makes a mistake that video can be banded around the web and Youtube completely out of that person's control. They may have said 59 minutes and 30 seconds of excellent things but got one thing slightly wrong. I'd personally feel quite odd performing to a camera, its that feeling that you just don't know who is watching you (very NWO).

I think we should concentrate on content. As I said previously it's tricky to find people with original things to contribute. If we just did stuff on 9/11 copied from the Internet it would be excruciatingly boring. Even David Shayler ended up doing quite a bit of this sort of thing and Vernon Coleman is another for writing long books that are made up of the kind of newspaper cuttings that we have already read. So no new material makes it dull.

What gets me is it is out there if only people would start looking. I found out some stuff just yesterday on the people who were involved with ID cards. I got a lead from a newspaper detailing a name and using Google I followed that name and it led me to a Masonic hall built in 1775 where they all gather to put together their nefarious scheme. That was not mentioned in the paper, only the name of one of the people involved. As I said it is not difficult to keep your eyes open and to be inquisitive. Do it for long enough and you will have a good hours worth of your own material.

[sweeney]

Good idea baron i'd be up for that; maybe some little long grey wigs and we could become The Multi Bootleg David Ickers!! Just kidding of course.

I'm all for attempting whatever it takes to relay imformation in a constructive way. The more 'brainstorming' or 'thought-showering' we do the more to discuss.

[polveirbecker]

I think what we could do if we are really serious about this. We ought to set up focus groups all over. A few people on here are from Yorkshire so am sure we can arrange a meet up to arrange discussions.

Once we got the focus groups set up we can share our ideas and progress via DI forum and hopefully we will come up with a brilliant show that will be presented by each focus group - depending how good they are and presentable. We don’t want any of my Youtube examples!

Once each group has got a mini show together we can all invest a little money to bring this show together for practice. So basically we will send all our presenters on a week long vacation to rehearse the show before we start planning some kind of tour. We have to start somewhere and I believe little focus groups is one way.

[baron von lotsov]

The trouble is that we are faced with the same problem as anyone has in managing something. Things tend to filter down to the lowest common denominator, and unfortunately this forum is rife with trivia and people looking for answers in terms of that 'self-help' kind of culture. You know what I mean, just look at any bookshop and they are full with books promising a magic cure for what is mainly psychological shortcomings of your average punter.

I suppose what has inspired me in coming to the idea of doing a conference is my experience with NO2ID. In the early days it was much like a bunch of activists who were all much like you get on this forum, the simple picture of how things are. However being the rebel that I am I decided I'd try and appeal to the more intelligent person and not have any qualms about talking shop, as in specialist computer type of chats.

This wasn't very popular to start with but an interesting thing started to happen. As all the lightweights had had enough we thinned out quite a bit, but then gradually it started to attract intelligent people who felt at home dealing with the more sophisticated side of things. This continued to attract some seriously top people like professors and people working high up in management, computer companies, the police and all sorts of top jobs. Today the organisation is regarded as an authority by many, and it is a treasured position to be in. This in turn had brought a lot of people back as they are attracted to the fact we now have real political power, and so they know we make a difference and they want to be a part of that difference. NO2ID is pretty unique as far as organisations go, we have broken new ground in many ways and outmanoeuvred the opposition entirely. Even ministers have tried to put us down in the House of Commons but pretty much shot themselves in the foot in doing so.

[dondaz]

Hey baron, time for action mate. Advertising across the net is easy to do and I'm sure many on here would help with poster designs and putting the word around on forums and websites. I agree we should be keeping to info what is happening in the here and now. Waking people up with reptillion theories isn't the best way forward.

I know I would help out to get this off the ground.

So, what do you have so far?

1/ A bloody good idea.

2/Three people willing to film it.

All you need now are speakers, a venue and the determination to pull this off.

The time is right baron. People are seriously looking for alternative information than what they are used to. Don't let the opportunity slip the net!

[baron von lotsov]

Yes, its like we have the packaging but not the product. I'm old school regarding this sort of thing, I focus on the product and if that is good then it should be fine. Everything should spring from the product but what with the dumbing down agenda and the fear people have of public speaking it might take a little time.

You see the other thing is there are many conflicting views on all sorts of things and if we have people saying things that directly contradict what someone else is saying then it will be seen as a whole bunch of confusion and highly counter-productive. My biggest bone of contention locally is the New Age and supposing someone came out with a load of bollox like we get in conferences organised by the system people around here then we would be in a mess.

For this reason I'm wondering if it would be better to have people who don't really go under the banner of conspiracy theorist since the whole movement has been highly corrupted. And anyway we are getting far more mainstream people saying sensible stuff these days that have cottoned onto the plot and can do a good talk. Brian Gerrish is a classic example of this. He was in Naval intelligence so a pretty unlikely person for the average punter to associate with Icke and his lizards.

He's more coming from a eurosceptic position but it would be great to find other experts who can attack it from another angle and all sort of meet in the middle somewhere. I know one ex UN scientist who would be excellent for the global warming scam and I suppose the other angle that I'd want to cover is the psychological. We would be in business if someone from that professional field would care to spill the beans. They would be in the 'here and now' category.

[dondaz]

I'm old school regarding this sort of thing, I focus on the product and if that is good then it should be fine.

I agree. A good product will sell itself well up to a certain point. I will speak with Brian Gerrish this week and bring it up with him. I'm sure he will be interested if the whole event is within his scope of things.

My biggest bone of contention locally is the New Age and supposing someone came out with a load of bollox like we get in conferences organised by the system people around here then we would be in a mess.

For this reason I'm wondering if it would be better to have people who don't really go under the banner of conspiracy theorist since the whole movement has been highly corrupted.

This is very true and very important that these mistakes are avoided.

Have you looked in to the Freeman on the Land issues? This really is an area that is growing in this country and is definately a subject that scares the living daylights out of the powers that be. I may be able to get a speaker in on this subject, which fits right in with Brian Gerrish.

If you havent looked into the Freeman on the Land here's my youtube channel, which is a great way to get into this subject:

http://uk.youtube.com/TheFreemanChannel (http://uk.youtube.com/TheFreemanChannel)

This is an area that has never been covered here in GB and I'm sure it will get a wide audience. Btw, Brian Gerrish knows a bit about the Freeman and has one or two friends that are Freemen on the Land. I will look into potential speakers if you're interested and think this subject may fit in?

This country needs a Freeman event so I may get the ball rolling myself in that area.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes I have seen some stuff in The Column concerning it. As I understand it, it is something to do with ancient laws. The last survivor of WW1, Harry Patch is a local in this area, he is 110 and has been made a Freeman of the City of Wells. It's more of an honorary thing as I gather and I'm not certain it will really do much or achieve much.

What interests me far more is the psychological manipulation going on and Brian Gerrish is right on the ball regarding this and that's why I think he is saying something of importance. There are ways of avoiding the brainwashing but the main way, and what he says as well is to recognise when it is being used. Most people have not the faintest idea why they use focus groups and that sort of thing. This would also tie in quite nicely with the environmental movement and other cult groups.

[polveirbecker]

I want to really take a grip on this now. Although baron von lotsov has come up with a smashing idea and thank goodness for it. I really don’t think that this guy is ideal to take this thing forward as he is a perfectionist and has old school ways.

At this rate we will have to have Peter Jackson directing the whole thing along with David Icke, Alan Watt and Alex Jones talking. Mate I’m not from your side of things where you use big words and talk in a certain manor. I’m very college speak.

At the end of the day we’ve got to be realistic here and I feel that to be realistic we have to have a start and NOW! One thing I would love to talk about is how the government have dismantled me and other case like me. How they have manipulated me so that I can not show my full potential. The only problem is my kind of show may not be baron von lotsov cup of tea.

At the moment I see Dondaz as the leader of all this as he is willing to give people a chance unlike baron von lotsov to an extent who only wants people who were Oxford educated or along them lines. it’s a great idea presented by you baron von lotsov and I hope you don’t hate me for the stuff I’ve put here. But I feel that its for the threads good in order to get some action going!

[baron von lotsov]

I agree I'm biased towards people who have a strong education and an expertise in their subject. I like something I can chew on rather than some emotive talk which is all wishy-washy. You choose your product to appeal to a particular group and it is true you can't please all of the people all of the time and this is the difficulty in managing something. Without a strong and coherent direction you end up with chaos but it’s a trade off between many people's ideas and something that lacks purpose and direction.

That's why I started off with the idea of how our perception of things can be subtly manipulated and controlled. When you loose your ability to perceive objectively then you have no point of reference and you become easily controllable. So we have to set a bit of an example here, that's really my point. It's a bit like one of Icke's themes in a way but it does not involve aliens, its more trying to pinpoint how the scam is operated and what is useful for people to know. The more useful it is the more people will like it.

[polveirbecker]

I can pin point the scam of how School has manipulated me and others. I could probably do a 45min speech on it and I feel that it would attract a lot of concerned parents who no longer know what to do with they kids. I can find similar cases for me - some with ease - some not.

If you want to read my story here it is -

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30909

Also I think they time for an action thread as this thread seems to be based around the idea of a conference rather than doing one. It would be good if we can get head organiser who can sort out the venue and all along with the speakers.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes it needs organising and someone to take responsibility. That means putting up the cash and getting the people to attend. It's a lot easier to say that it needs doing than to actually pull it off. I'm just trying to say that is not so easy and even though it looks that way to many there have been lots of people who have had over-inflated ideas that just by putting something on people will automatically be queuing up to attend. In reality they get about half a dozen people turning up, loose all their money and feel like a huge embarrassment. Especially in this country, to get people to get off their arses and come to something either means it needs to be as tacky as hell or something the telly tells them to do.

Incidentally I think your story is interesting. I'm not certain it would need 45 minutes to run through it but it is good to have real life scenarios. It would be like you get in the court where people have witness testimonies. Schools are dodgy places these days and as you say parents would be quite horrified to know the truth.

[malvern]

YES we do need people to stand up and give talks on all the subjects above ....
it does seem that people truely do not understand the state that the UK is in ..... how the people have been miss lead by afew and in doing so dumbed us all down
EVEN YOU BARON.......
dondaz is correct about his freeman stuff and that common law is the way to go.
They stoppped teaching us the Bill of Rights back in 1968 and shortly after the Heath Government pushed the common market on us by means of treason.
We are all born freemen of the Land, but they police us under Admeral laws and Commeral laws, which takes second place to comman law....
Barron where and what did you get as your degree .... not common sense or law .....

everyone should have a look at what dondaz is researching ..
.I've spoken to lawers and high ranking police about it and it's all true .... they will not tell you this because this is how they make thier money and keep us under control...

it is time to become a grown up and not be a child to the state ... own your rights do not let someone tell you what is legal under an act when there is already a right ... ie look at the right to travel, but we apply to the system to have a paper permit to drive ?????????


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[baron von lotsov]

Actually I'm all for using the law to get out of situations and having been involved with a case that recently went to the supreme court in Rome which we won and consequently changed Italian law I'm with you on that one! Winning has such a buzz about it but the trouble is they have really clamped down these days on your fundamental rights. They can even pass laws without acts of Parliament in this country now.

All I was saying about Freemen though is that it is an ancient title that was awarded to people in towns giving them certain rights above everyone else. The Bill of Rights you mention was something that should have stopped us entering the EU as it makes specific mention to not being governed or politically interfered with by Rome. In reality they just flout their own laws. They did in the recent case I was helping with but we got them in the end.

[dondaz]

Yes I have seen some stuff in The Column concerning it. As I understand it, it is something to do with ancient laws. The last survivor of WW1, Harry Patch is a local in this area, he is 110 and has been made a Freeman of the City of Wells. It's more of an honorary thing as I gather and I'm not certain it will really do much or achieve much.

Being a Freeman on the Land has absolutely nothing to do with being given an honourary freeman of the city or keys of the city. Being a Freeman on the Land is about your rights as a free human being. Living with honour and integrety.

Constitutional/Common Law was taken out of the national curriculum in 1965. This was never publisized in the press, for obvious reasons. This was all a big plan to get us to accept the rules and regulations from the European Union further down the road.

Living by the Common Law as a sovergein Human Being. It's knowing the difference between Common Law, Admiralty Law and Equity Law.

For instance, all the big brother laws, such as SOCPA or PACE are not actually laws at all, but Statutes and Acts. Statutes and Acts are only applicable to you if you give your consent. This is Admirality Law, the Law of the Sea, not the Law of the Land. The Law of the Land is Common Law.

Common Law still stands to this day. Indeed, I was arrested just last year under our Common Law. The police lied so it was a false arrest and they had to let me go a few hours later without charge.

If you have a birth certificate or national insurance number, which is attaching a legal person to your Human self, then you have given your consent to the state to govern your life. It is all a huge deception that has been pulled over our eyes to enslave us to the system.

If you wish to know about freedom and liberty and how to defeat the nwo then the Freeman route is by far the best way I have seen to date.

Not going to try to take over your idea here mate, your show is your show. But you have lit a spark in me to get involved in a conference such as this, even if it means setting another event up.

[dondaz]

Here's Admirality Law at work and a Freeman of the Land rejecting it. So much for the power of the police and SOCPA.

They can't even use these laws against a Freeman on the Land.

Watch and Learn folks, the conversation with the police is what is important here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zG26qiK4-RI

Baron you really do need to look into this. This isn't some ancient law from another dimension. This is fact that still stands to this day!

[baron von lotsov]

Right I see where you are coming from and I agree it does sound interesting. I was merely commenting on that thing I saw about the guy who went to Buckingham Palace and came out with all of this ancient law stuff in some sort of petition to Her Majesty. He got a reply something along the lines of "thank you for your interest, we do like to listen to what people have to say, but due to the large number of ... We... etc. I could have somehow expected that sort of thing to happen and these days they don't even tend to follow their own laws. Like yourself I have had some experience in this and it was ugly. As with all legal stuff they win in the end because solicitors who are absolute shit for brains can charge over £100/hour. I can usually do a much better job myself and it is possible to get results when you haven't got a mason representing you in front of another mason prosecuting you. So don't think I'm dissing it, I was merely questioning is because what I said above is my understanding of what a freeman is, it seems you are talking about something different, i.e. a legal principle. So don't let me put you off.

[polveirbecker]

Ok here is my latest idea for the conference. What we need to do is hire a school that has vast/ish grounds and have a weekend festival! In the classrooms we could have peoples works on this whole conspiracy thing. Then in the main hall we have our conference.

We could have a set timetable for who’s going to be on and what they going to be about. Have people camping in the fields. Now don’t say this whole festival thing is out of our league. My sister is only 17 and has organised Gym festivals already. What we need now is a log book so we know who would be interested in filming the festival, who would like to speak and who would like to put they research on display.

Just think we could have a room on symbolism, A room on subliminal messaging and so on.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes but it's one thing to be involved with something the school wants to do and another thing entirely to make the case that the system, which is incidentally the thing that governs schools, is rotten to the core. They won't have that, I can pretty much guarantee you. I had an interesting experience with Manchester City Council regarding the organising of a festival once. It's not at all like you think, this is serious political business and you will see your enemy slither out of the woodwork and whack it on its head. It's pretty much what happened to me and all the robots overnight turned from loving the idea to going extremely cold and guilty looking about it. One person high up in the hierarchy pulled the plug for me.

[malvern]

freeman.... this makes the point that we nolonger understand the lanuage our laws have been writern in, Act is in fact "to beg", this is why we do not understand what these people request from us....... and so we dishonor ourselfs and they then take the upper hand.
As I state, we are born "Freemen", humans, and the system makes the person...... we have been missguided for so long we have forgotten where the real path is .....

Everyone should spend some time just looking into comman law, freeman, stawman and thier rights....... maybe you would not feel so powerless, take charge of your rights and see every man as equal



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[baron von lotsov]

You still have to watch out though. I have seen some of this ancient law stuff misused and it has been used to defraud people many times. There was something to do with not paying taxes because of the way you write your name and that turned out to be bullshit because it was tested in court and had no validity.

When someone talks in vague terms about it be all the more careful since law is a highly precise practice and splitting hairs is really its main business. I can't honestly claim to have much expertise in it, I have studied common law though and it can be useful in places. In practice you see so many people doing illegal things under common law and even respectable institutions. Once you inform their legal department though they usually don't argue.

But and a big but is there is no simple magic cure. There are some extremely smart lawyers out there and it is not the case they have just not noticed it. You do have to pay tax and a lot of other things. Law often comes in handy for subtle technicalities. One of our winning points in our last case I was helping with was the prosecution left out a page of a witness statement in the person's defence. We jumped on that one and felt it was a bit of a gift for them to be so careless.

[malvern]

Understanding your rights does not mean you have the power to miss use those rights. It allows you to stay within honor in the system.
The press does report cases where by people have failed, but the cases where people are right are settled out of court and never reach the press, or just not reported. Those who have failed, go back and do win. Do not forget they have hidden this from the people for years, do you think that they will just say " OH YOUR RIGHT ! " .

It's also about us as Humans being equal and Honor and Respect that comes with our rights.



Back to the thread: yes, great,
what is the forcasted turn out so that some where could be found ...
in which area ie midlands.
how many people will be speaking so forcast lenght of event... and so on



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[baron von lotsov]

Like I was saying before I think the biggest problem with such a talk is in trying to attract people. I think it is not worth doing unless we can get the very minimum of 100 people and I'd rather have that figure being about 200. A lot of halls can cater for 200 people; it seems the most common of size and usually quite cheap. One near to me, which is a nice hall with stone walls & oak beams and a cafe, is £12/hour in the daytime. That's super cheap and I suspect the daytime hire is subsidised to a fair degree by the evening hire, which is £350/400. The trouble is the area is not going to pull that many people by itself so at least half the people will need to come from further a field. Two main things will determine this, the quality and popularity of speakers and the amount of marketing.

[polveirbecker]

I put forward Pudsey Civic Hall near me as it is sandwiched between two major cities in Bradford and Leeds. The train station near it can take you to and from Leeds train station and Bradford train station. Buses are also good within the area from the two cities so that no one would have any major trouble getting to the two city centre.

I was at the place the other day and saw advertisements for clairvoyance of which is not really politically correct. The book fair also had books by John Pilger in it. I think it would make an ideal meeting place and I assume that the prices are along the same lines of what baron von lotsov
Is talking. I will look it up tomorrow.

My experience in travel and tourism should be able to pull the hands of the people who own the hall. I think attracting people all over will rise the civic from the ashes.

[vienna]

I'd like to see the freeman/strawman topic at the conference and I will be there

it's very exciting to see that clip of the guy quoting it to the coppers

check out the rob menard vid

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=magnificent+deception&sitesearch=#

bite size chunks

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=magnificent+deception

it will make it very clear what this is about and how fundamental it is to rejecting the NWO

[baron von lotsov]

Yes, well it's a state of mind that pretty much says that the state has no rights over people and the state is appointed by people to serve their interests. I'm all for people waking up and realising that this is the natural state of society and that we only come off the worse through people wilfully giving away their power in return for something the state promises us. However the legal situation is not so good, we have already given away far too much power and it's time to reclaim it due to the state abusing their privileges that were given to them on trust and these can be removed from them.

One thing I think helps tremendously is the ability to reason logically. You will go a long way if you can do this and naturally the state education system has being trying to destroy our powers of reason. Think what you were taught at school. How many art lessons did you attend? How much PE did you do where you acted out games with rules? How much maths and proper science did you do and how much did you get taught about economics and law? It's time for a change!

[malvern]

Albert Burgess Our Legal Rights Cannot Be Given Away! 7-08

OLD LAWS AND WHY THEY STAND TODAY.....!!!!!!!


watch this one baron, might be a good speaker for the conference!

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v14232371BYJGABBT?jsonParams=%257B%2522user%2522%2 53A%2522rcoones%2522%252C%2522veohOnly%2522%253Atr ue%252C%2522order%2522%253A%2522mr%2522%257D&context=CHANNEL&viewType=user




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[vienna]

great stuff

thanks for posting :)

[dondaz]

Right I see where you are coming from and I agree it does sound interesting. I was merely commenting on that thing I saw about the guy who went to Buckingham Palace and came out with all of this ancient law stuff in some sort of petition to Her Majesty. He got a reply something along the lines of "thank you for your interest, we do like to listen to what people have to say, but due to the large number of ... We... etc.

That was an Affidavit to enable John Harris to lawfully rebel against the crown and avoid a possible Treason charge, I believe. A very shrewed and clever legal move by John I might add!

If the Palace do not get back to John within 40 days to address Johns greviances, under Common Law, since they have been served with a notice of intent, in the form of a swarn Affidavit, they have lost honour and are libel. The remedy for this libel, which went uncontested by the crown, is Johns lawfull ability to rebel against the crown and government.

This is actually how our laws work.

If you want to understand more about this I present to you a conversation between the Queens Personal corrispondence secretary and Brian Gerrish himself:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DAAI-XLCTjU

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ifyQqlckib4



I could have somehow expected that sort of thing to happen and these days they don't even tend to follow their own laws. Like yourself I have had some experience in this and it was ugly. As with all legal stuff they win in the end because solicitors who are absolute shit for brains can charge over £100/hour. I can usually do a much better job myself and it is possible to get results when you haven't got a mason representing you in front of another mason prosecuting you.

Indeed baron. This is what being a Freeman is all about. Standing up for yourself and doing a better job of it than the people we usually pay to do it for us. As soon as we hire a solicitor we are admitting we are not Compris Mentis, or we are not capable of standing up for ourselves. As malvern said:

"Everyone should spend some time just looking into comman law, freeman, stawman and thier rights....... maybe you would not feel so powerless, take charge of your rights and see every man as equal"

Self empowerment is the key, as you know only too well baron. It's overcoming the mental barriers that their manipulation has created for us that can be the bitch of the bunch for some to get over, before they can realise their own potential.

So don't think I'm dissing it, I was merely questioning is because what I said above is my understanding of what a freeman is, it seems you are talking about something different, i.e. a legal principle. So don't let me put you off.

Questioning is good baron. You make some excelent points and ask some tough questions. It keeps people in the real world. Feel free to keep them coming;)

What interests me far more is the psychological manipulation going on and Brian Gerrish is right on the ball regarding this and that's why I think he is saying something of importance. There are ways of avoiding the brainwashing but the main way, and what he says as well is to recognise when it is being used. Most people have not the faintest idea why they use focus groups and that sort of thing. This would also tie in quite nicely with the environmental movement and other cult groups.

I agree. This is a major key to gaining personal freedom and self empowerment.

I think a mix of common purpose, mind manipulation and Freeman on the Land would be a great success with the right speakers and movers 'n' shakers to pull it all off.

Malvern has a few great places in mind for a wonderful venue. With both inside and outside facilities. Almost centrally located in the country. These are just ideas right now. Not a committment folks!

[hirschfan]

Having seen the money masters recently - brilliant documentary, I was wondering whether I could cheekily refuse to pay any more debt back because that money has neverm does not and will never exist?

Love the idea of more conferences by the way. I'd go to that Pudsey one if someone sorts it out.

[baron von lotsov]

Dondaz

Common law is not always forgotten though. When NO2ID went to protest at the Home Office meeting in Scotland and turned up and were passed the microphone to speak they called the police to charge them with the common law offence of breach of the peace. Nine were arrested and charged but very shortly before they were due to appear in court, suddenly all charges were dropped and the case closed. I don't know what our briefs did or whether it was our plans to sue them for wrongful arrest that made them do this but we are kind of flying the victory flag over it. The press have been very sympathetic to us and there was another piece in the press the other day where NO2ID warned one of the Edinburgh Festival's groups that they could be arrested for doing an act regarding ID cards because they were in fancy dress, just like NO2ID were when dressed as Stasi secret police. The breach of the peace is a catch-all offence.

[nirvana]

Anyone from cumbria .I live Barrow in furness

[dondaz]

Baron is never going to get anything off the ground. Look at all the excuses he comes up with when serious people offer to help out. You're just seeking attention baron and are not interested in the truth. You just act like you are.

You don't have it in you to pull this off baron, I know, you are just a talker and not a doer.

He's laughing at everyone in this forum and thinks he's above everyone interlectually. About ten of us from here met him in Glasonbury last year and he couldn't look any of us in the eye.

Public speaker, baron, you couldn't speak in a public toilet never mind a conference!

Keep your snidey distractions out of my threads and I'll keep my truth out of yours!

[h2pogo]

uk free energy conference 2008

http://www.liberationtechnology.co.uk/

Last September, the first UK Free-Energy Conference was held in Presteigne in Wales. The Conference was very successful and the people attending were very keen that it should become an annual event. It has been decided to hold the 2008 Conference in Presteigne again as it proved to be a popular venue. The most suitable time of year is early September as Presteigne hosts many large events in the summer months. So, the time for this year's Conference has been set for the last weekend in August, with Saturday 30th being the main day and Sunday 31st being mainly for follow-up contacts and discussions.

If you live in the UK and are interested in attending, then please e-mail me to let me assess the number of people interested in attending. The Conference fee is set at £10 which covers the hire of the venue and a lunch time buffet on the Saturday.

If you have a free-energy device which you would like to show or if you would like to give a talk on a free-energy topic which particularly interests you, then please let me know so that we can fit you in to the programme and arrange for handouts where necessary. Comments and suggestions are welcome. I fully understand that many people will not know if they will be free on those dates until the last moment, but if you would like to come if you are free, then please let me know anyway.

http://www.liberationtechnology.co.uk/Conference.html

second link is better.
hope to meet some forum users there.

[baron von lotsov]

Baron is never going to get anything off the ground. Look at all the excuses he comes up with when serious people offer to help out. You're just seeking attention baron and are not interested in the truth. You just act like you are.

You don't have it in you to pull this off baron, I know, you are just a talker and not a doer.

He's laughing at everyone in this forum and thinks he's above everyone interlectually. About ten of us from here met him in Glasonbury last year and he couldn't look any of us in the eye.

Public speaker, baron, you couldn't speak in a public toilet never mind a conference!

Keep your snidey distractions out of my threads and I'll keep my truth out of yours!


No, for me the time is not right. This forum is not right either. I didn't ask for this thread to be a sticky, initially it was just a statement I made on a thread and I didn't even expect to get more than one or two replies. I was surprised by the number of people interested and the enthusiasm, but at the same time I felt there would be problems, and you have demonstrated to me how one such problem manifests itself. If I were dong it I'd have to put my neck on the line, it would be my responsibility if it fucked up and if it were not very well attended I'd have to foot the bill. I have organized things before and know all about what is at stake, and I know I have a few enemies on here who would do what they could to fuck things up and put out false rumors.

So I'm not going to give them the chance for them to feed their little egos while being fully paid up members of the NWO at the same time. I think this idea might work better if a number of people jointly organised it, and that way people like you would not get the chance to bad mouth them all, for few will believe it if it is aimed at a group of say half a dozen. Somehow though I think there are those who respect my more discerning approach to NWO topics, but its not for everyone and would not be that popular for the dumbed down public. I might decide to put my info out in some other way for now.

[oiram]

A lot of info here!

http://www.henrymakow.com/archives.html

http://www.henrymakow.com/im_not_praying_at_putin_altar.html

[baron von lotsov]

The other thing is that this forum is really going down hill, and I think that if the talk was a reflection of the topics that are coming up here, then it would be an utter embarrassment and play right into the hands of the elite. We need proper academic minds to put something together and that involves discipline, focus, accuracy and good presentation, in order to make the right impact. Now of course if we had lots of people with advanced knowledge of the NWO who have a working knowledge of something relevant, then things would be different, but all the signs are that few people on here are like that.

I have seen people in the past with the kind of brains that I would admire, e.g. December was one of them. He had an excellent grasp of British-Soviet relations and I learnt quite a bit from his posts, but he was banned after over 2000 posts. His last email reads:-

"Don't expect this forum to be the height of intellectual debate.
Some people attack me personally and the moderators don't stop them but give ME warnings and some kind of warning points..."


That's just one example, but there have been others who have come and either gone either through lack of stimulating debate or that they had encountered problems with trolls and the mods had banned them rather than the trolls. Now I guess we have more infiltrators and NWO agents than people who really have the knowledge to share on here. The way I judge is to look at the top ten threads. If all of these are on utterly idiotic subjects then that's a sign something is wrong.

[vienna]

ok chaps cards on the table

Conference

1.TOPICS:
Freeman vs Maritime Law - we could show Menards vid (I have two high quality DVDs of Menards talks ) if we have no speakers and some of Dondaz's work

other topics/ speakers???

2.Venue: Liverpool ? (as with the conference last year and also I think Liverpool is unique in that it has a very close knit community atmosphere unusual for a city of that size and a reputation for radical politics and dissent - if we get the ball rolling here it will be disseminated very quickly)

(price to hire?)

3.Money and publicity:

website of the event

I will volunteer to perform duties at the venue and hand out flyers to publicize and we could all plug on various messageboards - I'm prepared to contibute some money to guest speakers and hiring of hall/rooms etc

could people add to this framework so we can get this moving rather than just talking about it? cheers

[dondaz]

ok chaps cards on the table

Conference

1.TOPICS:
Freeman vs Maritime Law - we could show Menards vid (I have two high quality DVDs of Menards talks ) if we have no speakers and some of Dondaz's work

other topics/ speakers???

2.Venue: Liverpool ? (as with the conference last year and also I think Liverpool is unique in that it has a very close knit community atmosphere unusual for a city of that size and a reputation for radical politics and dissent - if we get the ball rolling here it will be disseminated very quickly)

(price to hire?)

3.Money and publicity:

website of the event

I will volunteer to perform duties at the venue and hand out flyers to publicize and we could all plug on various messageboards - I'm prepared to contibute some money to guest speakers and hiring of hall/rooms etc

could people add to this framework so we can get this moving rather than just talking about it? cheers

I'm with you all the way mate. I'm in with anyone who's into doing & not just talking. I've been talking to a few freemen who are interested in an event in this country, we'll see how it goes!

[baron von lotsov]

A lot of info here!

http://www.henrymakow.com/archives.html

http://www.henrymakow.com/im_not_praying_at_putin_altar.html

Yes, Henry Makow is probably one of the most on the ball people around today regarding social engineering. I have learnt at least ten times more from him on the subject than all the rest put together. Indeed most other conspiracy people don't even mention the subject.

[vienna]

I'm with you all the way mate. I'm in with anyone who's into doing & not just talking. I've been talking to a few freemen who are interested in an event in this country, we'll see how it goes!


ok matey

let's get the speakers confirmed first and see if we can contact the organisers of the liverpool con last year for tips prices on the venue (if this is the venue we're using?) etc

[entheogen]

I think the time is now...

What is needed is a collection of minds - to share and debate what we know is happening, but more importantly some positive thought on how best to awaken the rest of the planet to the truth

My point is lets share our thoughts - then lets discuss ways to spread this information in an efficient non conspicous way

Whispering down dark alleys will not work - and we need to raise the public awareness of these issues

I say this because I know the only way to change all this is to achieve a critical mass of people to stand together and unite

We need advice on how to help others understand that 'things arent what they seem

Some of the hardest people to convince are often some of the closest to you
I know this after spending 3 weeks trying to help my mum understand that the fluoride in her tea was poison - which led to the obvious question of why the government would want to poison her ?

Its been a long 3 weeks but she is eventually starting to see now - miracle ?


So lets get some regional and national meetings arranged and discuss ways to put forward OUR 'agenda' for freedom and truth for everyone

If the time is now - then are we not the ones we have been waiting for ?

So does any body know of any dates / times/ venues yet ???

Web Confrencing mayBe ?

Ps : Sorry Im late

If the time is now - then are we not the ones we have been waiting for ?
-x-

[synergy777]

a conference would be great, with lectures/presentations etc, i would love to contribute/participate, baron this is a great idea.

if there are any developments, please let me know, thank you.

[serpentoffire]

We have already organized a group of discussion composed by 25/60 persons about NWO, aliens, esoterism, freemasonry and much more each evening using PALTALK web conference platform.

This is our public page "Nuovo Ordine Mondiale" on PALTALK http://chat.paltalk.com/g2/group/1201790405/

This conference is only in italian.

You can reach our group also from http://express.paltalk.com/

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[baron von lotsov]

We need advice on how to help others understand that 'things arent what they seem



That was the original idea I put forward. As I say it has to have a theme to it or it will be a mishmash of anything anyone wants to promote, and of course if that were the case we would have all the mason types using it to sell the occult and/or making us look stupid by talking about aliens.

There is more than enough that can be said about how psychology and mind control is used to create an artificial environment, and well, pretty much all that Orwell wrote about. I think that in itself would make an excellent subject and it would capture the interest of the mainstream press in a big way. You see, I spend a lot of my time these days talking to people in the media so I get an idea how they think. Such a subject would interest them a great deal, but if you so much as mention some dumbass alien theory then you have basically put your foot right into it. Indeed I would not want to associate myself with anyone who tries to fuck it up in this way. The way I see it is there is New Age shit that people have more than enough elite sponsored events to promote it, and then there is the real deal: the truth! The truth is not a theory. It is based on fact and evidence. You either do a factual talk or you do a fictional one.

[serpentoffire]

We made also a video on utube to configure Paltalk Scene client:

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=yUohWKnUESA

[pleasuredome]

I'm with you all the way mate. I'm in with anyone who's into doing & not just talking. I've been talking to a few freemen who are interested in an event in this country, we'll see how it goes!

that should be good dondaz. most people on here know that you get off your ass and get things done, like with your excellent videos, as opposed to those who endlessly blow hot air. keep the forum informed with how things go. i can easily believe what your saying about baron.