Spoon or no Spoon?

[quetzalcoatl]

To those who subscribe to the holographic-reality theory - which seems to be cropping up more & more of late. Is there really no spoon? Why do we need to take action or resist something that doesn't exists? Seems a bit of a paradox to me.

If it's all in our minds we don't need to worry about tyranny or shape-shifting reptilians.. Because essentially they don't exist, right? So it's not real & we're merely over-identifying with 'the matrix/program' hence suffering, death & 'enslavement'. Why are we all trying to fight back against external forces - instead of shifting our own perceptions; to knowing it's not real so nothing can hurt us?

It's like having a holographic cake & eating it too.. Then complaining it tastes funny. 'God' would be shaking his head & rolling his eyes.

Game Over! please insert coin..

Any thoughts?

[micklemus]

To those who subscribe to the holographic-reality theory - which seems to be cropping up more & more of late. Is there really no spoon? Why do we need to take action or resist something that doesn't exists? Seems a bit of a paradox to me.

If it's all in our minds we don't need to worry about tyranny or shape-shifting reptilians.. Because essentially they don't exist, right? So it's not real & we're merely over-identifying with 'the matrix/program' hence suffering, death & 'enslavement'. Why are we all trying to fight back against external forces - instead of shifting our own perceptions; to knowing it's not real so nothing can hurt us?

It's like having a holographic cake & eating it too.. Then complaining it tastes funny. 'God' would be shaking his head & rolling his eyes.

Game Over! please insert coin..

Any thoughts?

Quite....

[empyblessing]

There is both and neither. You are right. It is a paradox. This is the way, true and false, both and neither.

[drael]

To some degree its another fear trap. You stay focused on the elite, the controls and on our society rather than on the nature of truth and transcendence - overcoming the illusion.

Its a bit like the gnostic demi-urge..

[tootrue]

To those who subscribe to the holographic-reality theory - which seems to be cropping up more & more of late. Is there really no spoon? Why do we need to take action or resist something that doesn't exists? Seems a bit of a paradox to me.



Absolutely! In David Icke words – this is how we ‘download’ ‘reality’: It may sound mumbo-jumbo but it will be clearer later, why encompassing polarities is the door to Oneness, completeness. ‘This is the Infinite, David’, the voice said. ‘This is where you come from and this is where you shall “return”’.

I was told there was really one thing, I should know, and these words began to repeat over and over, in my head: ‘Infinite Love is the only truth – everything else is illusion’. I began to form questions in my thoughts: ‘You really mean everything?’ But before the thought could fully emerge, the voice interrupted. ‘Infinite Love is the only truth – everything else is illusion, no buts, no exceptions, that’s it’; ...

This is why those reptilian hybrids are relying on our very mind – in order to exist. Have you seen the ‘Matrix’ movies? Those agents could not exist, without the electric impulses, from people’s brains!!!

That’s the Truth – I know it!!!

[quetzalcoatl]

Yep, it just feels right.

[thematrix]

"It's the question that drives us ... It's the question that brought you here.

"The answer is out there ... it's looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to."

...

"Do not try and bend the spoon - that's impossible. Instead only try to realise the truth."

"What truth??"

"there is no spoon. THEN you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends - it is merely yourself"

......

Yeah OK so I am a huuuuuuge Matrix fan but what I believe it means is this...

Do not try and fight the prison. Thats impossible. Instead only try and realise the truth. You are more powerful than any prison. Then you'll see that no prison can hold you.

The people that run the show - are scared - their factions are divided and their system of control is coming apart. They preach fear and feed fear to the masses. They have no empathy and do not comprehend or understand love. Because of this they are in fear of each other as well. They are trying desperately to keep hold of power which is why we are seeing such an escalation in the politics of fear.

Everyone who wakes up a little seems scared of the illuminati - the NWO. We have this idea that some unknown group of elite all have this wicked plan to enslave the people. That the elites are all this homogenous well ordered group - that there is nothing we can do about it - that we are small and insignificant.

ILLUSION.

Apathy is the next step in the prison - the elites get out of jail of free card. Yes some people wake up - but then they feel useless, so they are not a threat...

ILLUSION.

The elite are all concerned with three dimensional reality. We resonate with this reality and interact with it. However we are not limited by it.

I believe the more we wake up - the more we realise exactly who we are - the more we reconnect with reality the less power and control these people have over us.

The Bushes and the Bilderbergers [ever stop to think that McDonalds are a company of BurgerBuilders??] and all the rest of the names of all the people we hear about are puppets. We shouldn't hate them - we should pity them. I think that if we are all one conciousness, experiencing itself subjectively and consequently we are all aspects of the same one Conciousness. Then the best way to understand something is to experience it. The conciousness wants to understand what it feels like to be the "elite" and do all of the shit that they do. Soon the "elite" will experience what it is like to lose and experience a dramatic fall from grace. We should thank them for enduring this experience for us to add to our collective experience at the end of the day, they are merely playing out their "duty" if you like.

I think that waking up is a bit lke losng weight. When you get fat it takes a looong time. When you diet correctly to lose the weight it also takes a looooong time. We have all spent most of our lives being indoctrinated by the system. We are taught that this world is all there is - and that we ought to spend our short lives accumulating as much stuff as we can because only then will be be happy and content. Once we get to the point of realising that the system is a con it takes a lot of time to relearn the nature of reality that we were so in tune with when we were little children, it takes time to disconnect and really realise our full potential.

I think there are two ways to crash the system. (there might possibly be lots more)

i) a small number of people acheive real awakening and disconnect almost completely from the 3d matrix prison reality - these people overthrow the elite and teach the masses the true nature of things.

ii) a large number of people wake up enough to see the system for what it is. Then we overthrow the elite system.

Sooner or later (probably sooner) the game will be up and they are going to lose.

For an analogy if the "elite" are like the Agents from the Matrix film consider this finally.

to quote Morpheus ... "their strength and their speed are still based in a world that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong or as fast as you can be."

Because the "elite" run a system that is based on fear - because they are constrained by rules they will never be as powerful as you or I wll be.

They WILL lose - it's just a matter of when.

[quetzalcoatl]

Exactly. :cool:

[alexav]

Not to be worried about just because I think it's the next step in the stair... just have to realize that in the next level you could be free... but... yes theres a flesh and blood that retain us in some way to re-learn somethings over here...

[montag]

"It's the question that drives us ... It's the question that brought you here.

"The answer is out there ... it's looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to."

...

"Do not try and bend the spoon - that's impossible. Instead only try to realise the truth."

"What truth??"

"there is no spoon. THEN you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends - it is merely yourself"

......

Yeah OK so I am a huuuuuuge Matrix fan but what I believe it means is this...

Do not try and fight the prison. Thats impossible. Instead only try and realise the truth. You are more powerful than any prison. Then you'll see that no prison can hold you.

The people that run the show - are scared - their factions are divided and their system of control is coming apart. They preach fear and feed fear to the masses. They have no empathy and do not comprehend or understand love. Because of this they are in fear of each other as well. They are trying desperately to keep hold of power which is why we are seeing such an escalation in the politics of fear.

Everyone who wakes up a little seems scared of the illuminati - the NWO. We have this idea that some unknown group of elite all have this wicked plan to enslave the people. That the elites are all this homogenous well ordered group - that there is nothing we can do about it - that we are small and insignificant.

ILLUSION.

Apathy is the next step in the prison - the elites get out of jail of free card. Yes some people wake up - but then they feel useless, so they are not a threat...

ILLUSION.

The elite are all concerned with three dimensional reality. We resonate with this reality and interact with it. However we are not limited by it.

I believe the more we wake up - the more we realise exactly who we are - the more we reconnect with reality the less power and control these people have over us.

The Bushes and the Bilderbergers [ever stop to think that McDonalds are a company of BurgerBuilders??] and all the rest of the names of all the people we hear about are puppets. We shouldn't hate them - we should pity them. I think that if we are all one conciousness, experiencing itself subjectively and consequently we are all aspects of the same one Conciousness. Then the best way to understand something is to experience it. The conciousness wants to understand what it feels like to be the "elite" and do all of the shit that they do. Soon the "elite" will experience what it is like to lose and experience a dramatic fall from grace. We should thank them for enduring this experience for us to add to our collective experience at the end of the day, they are merely playing out their "duty" if you like.

I think that waking up is a bit lke losng weight. When you get fat it takes a looong time. When you diet correctly to lose the weight it also takes a looooong time. We have all spent most of our lives being indoctrinated by the system. We are taught that this world is all there is - and that we ought to spend our short lives accumulating as much stuff as we can because only then will be be happy and content. Once we get to the point of realising that the system is a con it takes a lot of time to relearn the nature of reality that we were so in tune with when we were little children, it takes time to disconnect and really realise our full potential.

I think there are two ways to crash the system. (there might possibly be lots more)

i) a small number of people acheive real awakening and disconnect almost completely from the 3d matrix prison reality - these people overthrow the elite and teach the masses the true nature of things.

ii) a large number of people wake up enough to see the system for what it is. Then we overthrow the elite system.

Sooner or later (probably sooner) the game will be up and they are going to lose.

For an analogy if the "elite" are like the Agents from the Matrix film consider this finally.

to quote Morpheus ... "their strength and their speed are still based in a world that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong or as fast as you can be."

Because the "elite" run a system that is based on fear - because they are constrained by rules they will never be as powerful as you or I wll be.

They WILL lose - it's just a matter of when.
That's one of the best posts I've ever read on this forum matrix, nail, head, hit, game over..:D

[phildee3]

I think there are two ways to crash the system. (there might possibly be lots more)

i) a small number of people acheive real awakening and disconnect almost completely from the 3d matrix prison reality - these people overthrow the elite and teach the masses the true nature of things.

ii) a large number of people wake up enough to see the system for what it is. Then we overthrow the elite system.



Certainly not i). You're just replacing the elite with another elite.

ii) is more like it but I think "overthrow" is the wrong word for it.
Once the awakening has reached critical mass, the power of the elite will simply crumble all by itself.

[thematrix]

Certainly not i). You're just replacing the elite with another elite.

ii) is more like it but I think "overthrow" is the wrong word for it.
Once the awakening has reached critical mass, the power of the elite will simply crumble all by itself.

not necessarily.

I think that people who are truly awakened are coming from the side of LOVE and not as it currently the case from the side of FEAR.

Love wants to spread knowledge and information and help people into a new golden age of prosperity - fear wants to contain and keep all the power for itself.

Perhaps I am still a little naive, and certainly if a n other faction of the fear mongerers revealed just enough for the masses to get rid of the present "elite" and then installed a newer fear based "elite" in it's place then yes you would be right.

[phildee3]

I think that people who are truly awakened are coming from the side of LOVE and not as it currently the case from the side of FEAR.

Love wants to spread knowledge and information and help people into a new golden age of prosperity - fear wants to contain and keep all the power for itself.

Perhaps I am still a little naive, and certainly if a n other faction of the fear mongerers revealed just enough for the masses to get rid of the present "elite" and then installed a newer fear based "elite" in it's place then yes you would be right.

There's also the old adage "Power corrupts (and absolute power corrupts absolutely)"
Even the most compassionate, loving person is corrupted by simply accepting a position of "leadership."

I see your "golden age" as one of complete egalitarianism.

The pyramidical heirarchy is strictly a heavenly one. It does not belong on earth.

[astro zombie]

Even the most compassionate, loving person is corrupted by simply accepting a position of "leadership.".

I don't agree with that.

[phildee3]

I don't agree with that.



I'm takling about political leadership.

The only exeption I can think of is, possibly, Ghandi.
Maybe JFK.

They all get blown away.


I amend my statement to read "...actively persuing, and aquiring, a position of political leadership."

How's that?

[astro zombie]

Haha yeah i see what your saying, i'm with ya dude.:cool:

[ichi wa zen]

If you say theres no spoon, your lying.
If you say there is a spoon, your lying.

Useless!

[quetzalcoatl]

Once the awakening has reached critical mass, the power of the elite will simply crumble all by itself.

Well put. I agree.

If you say theres no spoon, your lying.
If you say there is a spoon, your lying.

Useless!

Ha! You are walking, talking proof of spoon. :p

:D

[zero1]

There is no spoon, in reality.

The Brain simulates and the Body remembers, a singular truth about the 5-sense plane of consciousness by which we experience everyday life in the world, a product of the simple material rule that simulation-is-stimulation.

We Buddhists have been quietly reminding humanity of this fact for thousands of years now...

[jshlackm]

Ah yes, we can choose to stop identifying with our identity in the illusion, but we DID CHOOSE TO BE IN THIS REALITY to have certain experiences and master aspects of the creative process. Once we have mastered all we need to master in this reality then we are ready to transcend and move beyond it... but while we are here we can observe and see what we can learn from what we perceive going on and our own interactions with and responses to external reality. It is a meaningful illusion this holographic matrix - it's a choose your own adventure story/game and whether or not the spoon is there depends on whether or not there is an observer with the proper decoding program to interpret that pattern of vibration and information as "spoon." there is ultimately ONE field of consciousness/awareness that IS the totality of creation and existence. It plays these games of illusion within itself to fully experience its selfhood and creative/imaginative potential.

Jed Shlackman
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Author of "Consciousness, Creation, And Existence: A Guide To The Grand Adventure."

[krakhead]

If you say theres no spoon, your lying.
If you say there is a spoon, your lying.

Useless!

I say, under certain circumstances, there may be a spoon! :p

[ichi wa zen]

There is no spoon, in reality.

The Brain simulates and the Body remembers, a singular truth about the 5-sense plane of consciousness by which we experience everyday life in the world, a product of the simple material rule that simulation-is-stimulation.

We Buddhists have been quietly reminding humanity of this fact for thousands of years now...

What Buddhism have you been studying?!?!? Study more!

A monk sat with his three students. He took out his fan and placed it in front of him, saying "Without calling it a fan, tell me what this is."

The first said, "You couldn't call it a slop-bucket."

The master poked him with his stick.
The second picked up the fan and fanned himself. He too
was rewarded with the stick.

The third opened the fan, laid a piece of cake on it,
and served it to his teacher. The teacher said, "Eat your cake."

[quetzalcoatl]

What Buddhism have you been studying?!?!? Study more!

A monk sat with his three students. He took out his fan and placed it in front of him, saying "Without calling it a fan, tell me what this is."

The first said, "You couldn't call it a slop-bucket."

The master poked him with his stick.
The second picked up the fan and fanned himself. He too
was rewarded with the stick.

The third opened the fan, laid a piece of cake on it,
and served it to his teacher. The teacher said, "Eat your cake."

Hmmm.. Every now & then you come out with something brilliantly thought provoking & enlightening. But this, again - I just don't get. :confused:

Is it.. The fan is simply a collection of atoms forming molecules that amount to layered paper - which has many uses?

[zero1]

What Buddhism have you been studying?!?!? Study more!

Thanks, I will.

I am a Zen practitioner who is familiar with the esoteric Vajrayana tradition, particularly the Mandala of the Two Divisions...Diamond Realm and Womb (Matrix) Realm.

The knowlege revealed to me in studying the Mandala allows me to reach my own conclusions fully in accordance with Buddhism.

And your little monk tale was nicely amusing too, bye now.

[phildee3]

Hmmm.. Every now & then you come out with something brilliantly thought provoking & enlightening. But this, again - I just don't get. :confused:

Is it.. The fan is simply a collection of atoms forming molecules that amount to layered paper - which has many uses?

A Zen koan is purely esoteric.
It cannot be understood in the exoteric.

[quetzalcoatl]

A Zen koan is purely esoteric.
It cannot be understood in the exoteric.

Fine. I'm happy to leave it a mystery then. ;)

[phildee3]

Fine. I'm happy to leave it a mystery then. ;)

Do you not have an inner life?

[quetzalcoatl]

Do you not have an inner life?

You forget yourself Phildee3..

& I strongly beg to differ! :p

Just because something's not designed to be understood intellectually/rationally, doesn't mean the next person can't attempt to explain it intellectually/rationally.. & most definitely doesn't always equate to inner lacking.

[krakhead]

What Buddhism have you been studying?!?!? Study more!

A monk sat with his three students. He took out his fan and placed it in front of him, saying "Without calling it a fan, tell me what this is."

The first said, "You couldn't call it a slop-bucket."

The master poked him with his stick.
The second picked up the fan and fanned himself. He too
was rewarded with the stick.

The third opened the fan, laid a piece of cake on it,
and served it to his teacher. The teacher said, "Eat your cake."

Well I highlighted what I consider to be the important word here.

By treating the fan as a plate, it becomes a plate. This IS-ness becomes malleable, what the fan IS depends on the viewer.

Something like that anyway! :confused:

Am I right? Do I win something? :p

[quetzalcoatl]

Well I highlighted what I consider to be the important word here.

By treating the fan as a plate, it becomes a cake. This IS-ness becomes malleable, what the fan IS depends on the viewer.

Something like that anyway! :confused:

Am I right? Do I win something? :p

I like it!

Yes, perception is everything.

:)

[phildee3]

You forget yourself Phildee3..



Forget myself??
I can't.
Wherever I go, there I am...



Just because something's not designed to be understood intellectually/rationally, doesn't mean the next person can't attempt to explain it intellectually/rationally..



I'm a libertarian.
Anyone can do anything they like,
including wasting their time on the impossible if that's what they choose to do.



& most definitely doesn't always equate to inner lacking.



Good!
So you do have an inner life then?
So why not continue your exploration of the koan there, rather than leave it?

[quetzalcoatl]

Forget myself??
I can't.
Wherever I go, there I am...

I can see this could be a troublesome quagmire. :p

[quetzalcoatl]

Interesting doco on the Philosophy of The Matrix...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q1jHx29C70

[martg]

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/4102/PreviewComp/SuperStock_4102-8349.jpg
;)

[quetzalcoatl]

Well, to spoon or not to spoon - that is the question... :D

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=329247&postcount=1

[forrest22]

T.

If it's all in our minds

Any thoughts?

You misunderstood the movie the matrix.... we are in virtual reality like GTA vice city game but it is not our dream it is the machine creation/ the devil's mind .... not our mind ... our mind is just connected to the devil's dream so we can change few things .... if you are good person you are an anomaly a mistake that matrix want to delete but these few good people are a disaster because they are more powerful than the all people and the devil itself so the devil mind will go crazy it is started already you can see civil wars people became more angry and cruel then after some time the devil ind will crash end the matrix read billy Meier prophecy of end of the world because i believe are being proven correct and read xeeatweleve.com site about the devil mind

[phildee3]

Please don't shout.
I can't read text in font that big.

[seanx]

"Do not try and bend the spoon - that's impossible. Instead only try to realise the truth."

"What truth??"

"there is no spoon. THEN you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends - it is merely yourself"

Always found this idea very interesting.

my understanding now is ( interested in other opinions):

Not only does any reality exist in the present moment - but every possible version of
that reality exists right now.


So right now, there are trillions of versions of the spoon existing
now.

So what reality do you experience?

Well.....according to your belief so shall it be.....


In other words, if you believe that it is impossible to bend the spoon, then that
is the version of reality that you will resonate to and thus experience.


But if you believe that it is very easy to bend a spoon....that you will resonate to that
version of reality where it is easy to bend a spoon.


You don't bend the spoon. There is already a version of reality
where the spoon is bent.


As you change your mind, i.e your beliefs ......you simply start to
resonate to that version of reality and you experience that reality
where the spoon is bent.


So was what we call life designed by us ( Eternal Consciousness) as a
virtual reality game where we can experience whatever we want .

We don't actually create anything.

Every single micro-moment, we are ( mostly unconsciously) picking and choosing
what we believe is the most likely reality to manifest in that present moment from the
trillions and trillions of reality that co-exist
right now.

[ufochick]

To those who subscribe to the holographic-reality theory - which seems to be cropping up more & more of late. Is there really no spoon? Why do we need to take action or resist something that doesn't exists? Seems a bit of a paradox to me.

If it's all in our minds we don't need to worry about tyranny or shape-shifting reptilians.. Because essentially they don't exist, right? So it's not real & we're merely over-identifying with 'the matrix/program' hence suffering, death & 'enslavement'. Why are we all trying to fight back against external forces - instead of shifting our own perceptions; to knowing it's not real so nothing can hurt us?

It's like having a holographic cake & eating it too.. Then complaining it tastes funny. 'God' would be shaking his head & rolling his eyes.

Game Over! please insert coin..

Any thoughts?

Once we learn to control out own reality we will have control but that is information that has been carefully guarded by the reptilians for eons. Religion and everything else in the world teaches us we have no power.

It's a fight for control of this matrix that we don't know the rules to yet, or I should say most don't.

[quetzalcoatl]

Once we learn to control out own reality we will have control but that is information that has been carefully guarded by the reptilians for eons. Religion and everything else in the world teaches us we have no power.

It's a fight for control of this matrix that we don't know the rules to yet, or I should say most don't.


I reckon that's a bit of an un-fair generalisation.

It smacks of a negative out-look which, IMO, isn't an accurate reflection of reality.

Just think there are in-fact a lot of people, groups / entities out there doing their best with what they have.

[sh3lly]

What I understand at this point is that it definitely is real, while we are in our bodies. You can wish you had wings to fly away from a person mugging you as much as you want, but you are not going to grow wings. Unless you are having a lucid dream. You can wish you didn't have cancer, but if it's your time to go, you are going and your body will stop working.

What I think the truth is is that your body is the illusion. It's temporary. It doesn't last but your soul does. And that has been kept and hidden from us for hundreds of years. People have forgotten and think this is it. The body is it. But it's not.

[quetzalcoatl]

What I understand at this point is that it definitely is real, while we are in our bodies. You can wish you had wings to fly away from a person mugging you as much as you want, but you are not going to grow wings. Unless you are having a lucid dream. You can wish you didn't have cancer, but if it's your time to go, you are going and your body will stop working.

What I think the truth is is that your body is the illusion. It's temporary. It doesn't last but your soul does. And that has been kept and hidden from us for hundreds of years. People have forgotten and think this is it. The body is it. But it's not.

Yep! - that's right.

Now, how does this truth relate to inanimate objects & the validity or illusory nature of matter?? - is the atomic question...

Is the soul in everything??

[quetzalcoatl]

By virtue of the fact I've eaten some porridge with a spoon this morning, I conclude there is in-fact a spoon...

Icke's thesis that all matter / reality is an illusion on the grounds that atoms are mostly 'empty space' is floored, IMO. Because of atomic mass...

If enough units of very little mass join together then perhaps it adds up in mass / weight & builds solid material.

[seanx]

By virtue of the fact I've eaten some porridge with a spoon this morning, I conclude there is in-fact a spoon...

Icke's thesis that all matter / reality is an illusion on the grounds that atoms are mostly 'empty space' is floored, IMO. Because of atomic mass...

If enough units of very little mass join together then perhaps it adds up in mass / weight & builds solid material.

it's not.

Icke's theory is that the spoon is 'real' relative to our physical senses.

But if, say the frequency of our physical senses were changed, then the spoon would appear to us totally different.

Which is the real spoon?

Surely both are, relatively -for the sake for playing this life game.

But ultimately, they are an illusion in the sense they are just
pure energy - in this moment taking the form of a spoon - but
potentially this energy could manifest itself in infinite forms.

[quetzalcoatl]

it's not.

Icke's theory is that the spoon is 'real' relative to our physical senses.

But if, say the frequency of our physical senses were changed, then the spoon would appear to us totally different.

Which is the real spoon?

Surely both are, relatively -for the sake for playing this life game.

But ultimately, they are an illusion in the sense they are just
pure energy - in this moment taking the form of a spoon - but
potentially this energy could manifest itself in infinite forms.

Ya reckon they might be forks in disguise?? :eek:

:D

[ufochick]

I reckon that's a bit of an un-fair generalisation.

It smacks of a negative out-look which, IMO, isn't an accurate reflection of reality.

Just think there are in-fact a lot of people, groups / entities out there doing their best with what they have.

I said "religion and everything else in this world teaches us we have no power"

I didn't say everyone falls for it. But how much time do you spend creating your own reality? Creating a new reality or a changed one with thought? That's where the power is, in thought. We can take action to back up thought but thought permiates all dimensions and creates by itself. That's what I mean by power, using our thoughts and base energy to create.

[quetzalcoatl]

I said "religion and everything else in this world teaches us we have no power"

I didn't say everyone falls for it. But how much time do you spend creating your own reality? Creating a new reality or a changed one with thought? That's where the power is, in thought. We can take action to back up thought but thought permiates all dimensions and creates by itself. That's what I mean by power, using our thoughts and base energy to create.

:D

[unionjack1967]

Unplug me then i will believe, whilst eating a bowl of that lovely tasty gloop.

:UJ:

[quetzalcoatl]

Unplug me then i will believe, whilst eating a bowl of that lovely tasty gloop.

:UJ:

LOL! - yeah okay... :cool:

[quetzalcoatl]

& so beggeths the question (again... or perhaps it doesn't??); what exactly do we, as conscious observers, have to do with the matter that surrounds us??

I mean, we've all heard of the double-slit experiment;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqtiFX_IQQ

What if we were taken out of the picture, would there still be spoon?? - what condition might cause the spoon not to exist??

Or would matter / reality be constant regardless of conscious observance??

If anything, IMO, this experiment proves that matter / energy is both constant particle & vibrating wave frequencies @ the same time... - hmmm... sounds familiar! :D

[lonestar]

"It's the question that drives us ... It's the question that brought you here.

"The answer is out there ... it's looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to."

...

"Do not try and bend the spoon - that's impossible. Instead only try to realise the truth."

"What truth??"

"there is no spoon. THEN you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends - it is merely yourself"

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Yeah OK so I am a huuuuuuge Matrix fan but what I believe it means is this...

Do not try and fight the prison. Thats impossible. Instead only try and realise the truth. You are more powerful than any prison. Then you'll see that no prison can hold you.

The people that run the show - are scared - their factions are divided and their system of control is coming apart. They preach fear and feed fear to the masses. They have no empathy and do not comprehend or understand love. Because of this they are in fear of each other as well. They are trying desperately to keep hold of power which is why we are seeing such an escalation in the politics of fear.

Everyone who wakes up a little seems scared of the illuminati - the NWO. We have this idea that some unknown group of elite all have this wicked plan to enslave the people. That the elites are all this homogenous well ordered group - that there is nothing we can do about it - that we are small and insignificant.

ILLUSION.

Apathy is the next step in the prison - the elites get out of jail of free card. Yes some people wake up - but then they feel useless, so they are not a threat...

ILLUSION.

The elite are all concerned with three dimensional reality. We resonate with this reality and interact with it. However we are not limited by it.

I believe the more we wake up - the more we realise exactly who we are - the more we reconnect with reality the less power and control these people have over us.

The Bushes and the Bilderbergers [ever stop to think that McDonalds are a company of BurgerBuilders??] and all the rest of the names of all the people we hear about are puppets. We shouldn't hate them - we should pity them. I think that if we are all one conciousness, experiencing itself subjectively and consequently we are all aspects of the same one Conciousness. Then the best way to understand something is to experience it. The conciousness wants to understand what it feels like to be the "elite" and do all of the shit that they do. Soon the "elite" will experience what it is like to lose and experience a dramatic fall from grace. We should thank them for enduring this experience for us to add to our collective experience at the end of the day, they are merely playing out their "duty" if you like.

I think that waking up is a bit lke losng weight. When you get fat it takes a looong time. When you diet correctly to lose the weight it also takes a looooong time. We have all spent most of our lives being indoctrinated by the system. We are taught that this world is all there is - and that we ought to spend our short lives accumulating as much stuff as we can because only then will be be happy and content. Once we get to the point of realising that the system is a con it takes a lot of time to relearn the nature of reality that we were so in tune with when we were little children, it takes time to disconnect and really realise our full potential.

I think there are two ways to crash the system. (there might possibly be lots more)

i) a small number of people acheive real awakening and disconnect almost completely from the 3d matrix prison reality - these people overthrow the elite and teach the masses the true nature of things.

ii) a large number of people wake up enough to see the system for what it is. Then we overthrow the elite system.

Sooner or later (probably sooner) the game will be up and they are going to lose.

For an analogy if the "elite" are like the Agents from the Matrix film consider this finally.

to quote Morpheus ... "their strength and their speed are still based in a world that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong or as fast as you can be."

Because the "elite" run a system that is based on fear - because they are constrained by rules they will never be as powerful as you or I wll be.

They WILL lose - it's just a matter of when.

this post kicks ass!!!!

[prnkstr]

I really do hope that the there is a spoon...otherwise its going to prove mighty difficult to eat soup:/

On a more serious note, I feel this is just as useful as debating weather or not a god exists or what topping is best on nachos. Until there is some magical way to actually prove diddly squat, this is just a waste of time and resources. I'm not saying you should blindly accept your reality, just stating that there should be a limit as to how far you are willing to fool yourself.

Sure there might be an actual matrix like that silly movie with the kung-fu and all that jazz, but as long as there is no actual way of proving it one way or the other I say you time might be best used elsewhere.

-agent Anderson signgin off...10010111010100110010110110010011100010001001 10110