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aznality
19-04-2007, 10:16 AM
I hear a lot about the numbers 7 and 33 lately in particular. Can anybody explain the significance of those numbers? And also, which other events/incidents were related to 7 and/or 33?

And any other reoccurring sacred numbers to look out for too?

lightbeing
19-04-2007, 11:28 AM
I hear a lot about the numbers 7 and 33 lately in particular. Can anybody explain the significance of those numbers? And also, which other events/incidents were related to 7 and/or 33?

And any other reoccurring sacred numbers to look out for too?

Well the number 33, is the reference to the 33rd degree of masonary:( The number 7, the London bombings 7/7.

tommi
19-04-2007, 12:14 PM
Found this on the number seven..

Seven (7)

If 6 represents humanity then 7 - the center of the spiral is humanity's connection to its source, god, Christ consciousness - or whatever name you prefer.

Seven is the number of the Universe. It is the three of the heavens (soul) combined with the four (body) of the earth; being the first number containing both the spiritual and the temporal. In looking over the list of meanings it doesn't take long to figure out why the seven has become significant in metaphysical, religious and other spiritual doctrines - as seven represents the virginia?(ty) of the Great Mother - feminine archetype - She who creates.

There are 7
ages of man
ancient wonders of the world
circles of Universe
cosmic stages
days of the week
heavens
hells
pillars of wisdom
rays of the sun
musical notes - sound as frequency plays a key roll in matters of Universe. There are over 80 octaves of frequency - each governing a specific manifestation in Universe.

Cultural References

In all cultures, myths and legends seven represents...

completeness and totality
macrocosm
perfection
plenty
reintegration
rest
security
safety
synthesis

The writings about the seven-headed dragon appear throughout India, Persia, the Far East, especially Cambodia, but also Celtic and other Mediterranean myths.

The seventh ray of the sun is the path by which the human beings pass from this world to the next. Seven days is the period for fasting and penitence. The seventh power of any number, both square and a cube and thus was given great importance.

Alchemy - There are seven metals involved with the Work.

Astrology: There are seven stars of the Great Bear which are indestructible. There are seven Pleiades-- sometimes referred to as the, Seven Sisters.

Buddhist: Seven is the number of ascent and of ascending to the higest; attaining the center. The seven steps of Buddha symbolize the ascent of the seven cosmic stages transcending time and space. The seven-storied prasada at Borobadur is a sacred mountain and axis mundi, culminating in the transcendent North, reaching the realm of Buddha.

Chinese culture the meaning and symboligies are intertwined throughout in their myths and legends of fairies and animal spirits.

Christian: Seven is idealogogy. God is represented by the seventh ray in the center of the six rays of creation. There are seven sacraments; gifts of spirit; the seven of 3+4 theological and cardinal virtues; deadly sins, tiers of Purgatory (in metaphysical belief this would be one of the lower astral planes - or in Buddhism, one of the Bardo planes). There are 7 councils of the early church - crystal spheres containing the planets - devils cast out by Christ - joys and sorrows of Mary the Blessed Virgin, mother of Jesus - liberal arts - major prophets - periods of fasting and penitence - seventh day after the six of creation

In the Old Testament there are the seven altars of Baalam; oxen and rams for sacrifice; trumpets; circuits of Jericho; seven times Naaman bathed in the Jordan. Seven is the number of Samon's bonds; the child raised by Elisha sneezed seven times. The Ark rested on the seventh month and the dove was sent out after seven days.

The number seven is used 55 times in Revelation. It usually means fullness or completeness as in seven days of the week. God rested on the seventh day. Examples abound: seven churches, seven trumpets, seven seals, seven bowls, seven eyes etc etc.

Egyptian mythology: There are seven Hathors as Fates and the priestesses of Hathor have seven jars in their seven tunics. Ra has seven hawks representing the seven Wise Ones. Six cows and a bull represent fertility. There are seven houses of the underworld, as depicted in Egyptian myths, with three times seven gates. Seven is the sacred number of Osiris.

Graeco-Roman: Sacred to Apollo, whose lyre has seven strings, and to Athene/Minerva and Ares/Mars; Pan had seven pipes (again a reference to seven musical notes and frequency); there seven Wise Men of Greece.

Hebrew tradition: Seven is the number of occult intelligence. There are seven Great Holy Days in the Jewish year; the Menorah has seven branches; the Temple took seven years to build; and there are seven pillars of wisdom.

Hinduism there are Seven Jewels of the Brahmanas and seven gods before the floods and seven Wise Men saved from it.

Islamic: The perfect number is seven. In Islamic tradition there are references to seven:
heavens
climates
earths and seas
colors
prophets (active powers) states or stations of the heart The Ka'aba is circumambulated seven times representing the seven attributes of God.

Magic: There are seven knots in a cord for "spellbinding" and incantations are sevenfold. Certain orders of Brotherhood use theme of tying seven knots in their rope sash worn around their waist.

Mithraic: The cave of Mithras has seven doors, seven altars, and a ladder with seven rungs depicting the seven grades of initiation into the mystery schools.

Pythagorean: Seven is a cosmic number with three of heaven and four of the world.

Sumero-Semitic: There are seven lunar divisions and days of the week. "Thou shalt shine with horns to determine six days and on the seventh with half a crown.", the seventh thus becomes opposition to the sun and symbolizes darkness and balefulness and therefore is dangerous to undertake anything on the seventh day because that is the day of rest. We can see here the influence of this belief in other religious contexts. There are seven zones of earth; heavens, symbolized by the planes of ziggurat.

There are seven branches to the Tree of Life each having seven leaves. Leaves are symbols of fertility, renewal and growth. There are seven gates of hell, seven demons of Tiamat and seven winds to destroy her---interesting to note that in many belief systems it is said that the astral plane has seven levels to it--one sound on one of those levels is "wind".

Seven is a mystic number traditionally associated with Venus and more recently with Neptune. It is the number of feelings and of instincts - of the Group Mind, of Love, whether that strange, indescribable but pervasive feeling of love is towards another person, a pet, oneself or one's God. 'Love' embodies tremendous sexual energy, the emotions of which may be directed in various ways.

Heptagon

Heptagon is the inward directing of that emotion, the containment, the 'love inside', that is symbolized by the heptagon. It is the love we 'hold' and can equally signify a deep religious conviction, a forming of our God in our own image or an infatuation with another. It is feeling contained.

Heptagram

The 7-pointed star or heptagram is a mystical occult symbol. Like the pentagram, it has been called the Witch's Star, also the Astrologer's Star. Beyond six points, the polygrams all have multiple configurations and the heptagram may be drawn in two different ways - an obtuse form and an acute angled form; both forms are unicursal, here shown together with the third 7-point figure, the heptagon.

In cabalistic terms, the number '7' is attributed to Venus. It relates to Man's mundane feelings and his instincts - to his sexuality . It relates to Man's place in the pattern of Nature and to his linking with the Group Mind - the undifferentiated Soul of Mankind.

Man's pattern of mundane life is much ruled by the seven day cycle of the week. The seven classical 'planets' : Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturlend their names to the days of the week and may be arranged around the figure of the heptagram.

Placed around the acute heptagram in the order of their apparent speed of movement in the heavens, the 'planets' are ordered along the unicursal line in the order of days of the week.

The heptagram also relates to the seven chakras of the body. These are the energy nodes that rise up the course of the spine from the basal node, where is coiled the Kundalini serpent, to the point at the top of the head. The mundane well-being of the body and its aura are linked to the chakras. The heptagram is symbolic of this balanced, flowing of bodily energies and of health. It is a symbol relating to healing and dynamic balance of the body physic.

There are two forms of heptagram:

The obtuse form suggests passivity, contentment and attuning with nature and its forces; of healthy rhythms and normal sexuality; of balanced feelings and satisfied desires; of normal receptivity and awareness of the feelings of others.

The acute, active form suggests an outgoing interaction with nature's forces, making progressive use of them and directing sexual energy. It suggests strong feelings and strongly expressed desires; likewise perhaps, heightened sensitivity to the emotions of others. It is a symbol of the empath and the healer.

Combining the three seven - pointed figures together, creates a beautiful mandala of meditation.

tru3
19-04-2007, 01:05 PM
On the seventh hour
On the seventh day
On the seventh month
The seven doctors say
He was born for good luck
And that you'll see
I got seven hundred dollars
Don't you mess with me
But you know I'm him
Everybody knows I'm him
Well you know I'm the hoochie coochie man
Everybody knows I'm him

hoochie coochie man, by muddy waters

tinmenace
19-04-2007, 02:23 PM
I have this site (http://masonicdictionary.com/numbers.html) bookmarked, but interestingly they don't mention SEVEN on this page. Maybe I just missed it.... I have one more source......a masonic book.......let me see what I can dig up. I know when I looked through it a week or two ago, they had a lot about the number seven, which makes me wonder why they are omitting it from the above site.

Btw, I'm not vouching for the site...

freespark
19-04-2007, 02:57 PM
I hear a lot about the numbers 7 and 33 lately in particular. Can anybody explain the significance of those numbers? And also, which other events/incidents were related to 7 and/or 33?

And any other reoccurring sacred numbers to look out for too?

Hi az,

Check out this link...i watched all of them the other night. Very intersting.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2233997338138922977&q=michael+tsarion

Copy and paste into your browser. Alot of good info on subliminals and wat not.

Anders Lindman
19-04-2007, 05:55 PM
I hear a lot about the numbers 7 and 33 lately in particular. Can anybody explain the significance of those numbers? And also, which other events/incidents were related to 7 and/or 33?

And any other reoccurring sacred numbers to look out for too?

I'm a numerology expert. Not! :D But here are some ideas:

33 / 3 = 11. 3 * 3 = 9. -> 9/11

11 + 7 = 18 = 6 + 6 + 6. -> Seven Eleven marks the Beast and not Heaven!

:D :eek: :rolleyes:

Anders Lindman
19-04-2007, 06:08 PM
Another thing is that 11:11 is 33 in binary representation.

aznality
20-04-2007, 03:55 AM
Thanks a lot for your replies. =)

Any other sacred numbers other than 7 and 33 though?

tru3
20-04-2007, 04:10 AM
Hi az,

Check out this link...i watched all of them the other night. Very intersting.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2233997338138922977&q=michael+tsarion

Copy and paste into your browser. Alot of good info on subliminals and wat not.


wow, man. bob weir of the grateful dead is a member of bohemian grove.

bummer, man! :o

seriously, thanks for the courtesy of posting the link. first i've seen of tsarion. finally, after all this time. tremendous!

graflok
20-04-2007, 06:14 AM
wow, man. bob weir of the grateful dead is a member of bohemian grove.

bummer, man! :o



And, Steve Miller too:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/07/292888.shtml


graflok

tru3
20-04-2007, 06:40 AM
CALLER "Thomas in Colorado": I never met Mr. -- Dr. Thompson myself, but we had a muutal friend and I'm still friends with this guy and through this mutual friend, I passed on to him about a year ago some of your vidoes. So Dr Thompson watched your videos, I know this for a fact and through my friend I heard that he was impressed and he said something to the effect, "Yes, that's the way it is" or "That's the way things are."

alex jones show, march 8, 2007

http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/march2005/080305callboystory.htm

thompson was drafting 2 stories simultaneously; one on the wtc, and one on the gannon sex ring at the white house. the path led directly through bohemian grove.

imv, he died for investigating the latter, not the former.

JONES: Well let me just add this. I mean, we have the New York Post: 'Top gay porn star services moguls at Bohemian Grove... I mean I have Parade magazine articles, Spy magazine articles from the 80s where, as I said they bus in the gay prostitutes like Beluga caviar for our "Christian conservative" leaders... And is that what Hunter S. Thompson was on to?

ROBERTS: He certainly knew all about that and I believe had written about it. I don't know wheher there was a book in the works, but he certainly had published columns on it...

JONES: Well it certainly looks pretty suspicious. Man let me tell you.

same link.

Anders Lindman
20-04-2007, 09:47 AM
Thanks a lot for your replies. =)

Any other sacred numbers other than 7 and 33 though?

Yes, 13 represents the top of the capstone of the control pyramid. First there are 4 corners at the base, then 4 corners at the top of the bottom pyramid, then 4 corners at the base of the capstone, and then 1 corner which is the top of the capstone. 4 + 4 + 4 + 1 = 13. :cool:

But who or what is the single top of the control pyramid represented by the number 13? That's the ten dollar question.

tinmenace
20-04-2007, 12:28 PM
I'm a numerology expert. Not! :D But here are some ideas:

33 / 3 = 11. 3 * 3 = 9. -> 9/11

11 + 7 = 18 = 6 + 6 + 6. -> Seven Eleven marks the Beast and not Heaven!

:D :eek: :rolleyes:

711 is the name of convenience stores here. How funny.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/7_11.JPG

Anders Lindman
20-04-2007, 01:28 PM
711 is the name of convenience stores here. How funny.

I must quickly add that the "Seven Eleven" part was an attempt to make a joke, and not an attack on that commercial brand.

tinmenace
20-04-2007, 01:44 PM
Yep got it! :D

Their hotdogs taste like beast poop, I'll tell ya that much! LMAO. :p :p

Anders Lindman
20-04-2007, 01:55 PM
Yep got it! :D

Their hotdogs taste like beast poop, I'll tell ya that much! LMAO. :p :p

Actually, in Stockholm we have a Seven Eleven in almost every street corner. What surprises me is that we have no Starbucks.........yet. lol.

tinmenace
20-04-2007, 02:28 PM
Star-Bucks. Such an interesting name...never mind their logo.

Star (sun) - Bucks (money)

Hmm.....

tru3
20-04-2007, 02:46 PM
Yep got it! :D

Their hotdogs taste like beast poop, I'll tell ya that much! LMAO. :p :p

yes. and i believe it was dante who described the 7th circle of hell as souls burning in molten lakes of nacho cheese sauce! :D

mrguitarbear
20-04-2007, 04:41 PM
7= The 7 Deadly Sins , the 7 Gates of Hell.

9= The 9 Levels of Hell or 9 Circles of Hell.

11= 1 and 1 stand for the two pillars that stood at the entrance to the Temple of Solomon ( Jachin and Boaz ).

33=The level of degrees of a Master Mason in Freemasonry.

3=The trinity of Gods enshrined in the name and concept of the Freemason's Grand Architect : Jah ( YHWH or Jehovah ) Bul ( Baal ) On ( Osiris ).

13= The number of steps on the Illuminati pyramid , the number around the table at the Last Supper.

23= The Sacred Number of the goddess of Discord , Eris. 2 divided by 3 gives .666 recurring.

666= The Number of the Antichrist or the Great Beast.

9/11 is 333 x 2 or 666 ( 9= 3+3+3 = 333 , 11= 1+1 = 2 )

Cho Heung-Sui was 23 and killed 32 people ( 23 backwards ) at Virginia Tech on April 16th 2007. Translates as 4/16/2007 , or 4+1+6/2+0+0+7 or 11/9 which is 9/11 backwards. With Cho's own death , 33 people were killed , 33 degrees is the rank of a Master Mason.

mrguitarbear
20-04-2007, 04:53 PM
Interestingly Dante's poem ' The Divine Comedy ' also seems to have some sacred numerology about it :

* The poem is composed of 3 Cantica ( sets of cantos ) - ' Inferno ' , ' Purgatorio and ' Paradiso '.

* Each cantica is 33 cantos ( poetical divisions ) long.

* Each canto is written in terza rima , 4 groups of 3 lines each 11 syllables long.

mrguitarbear
26-04-2007, 03:53 PM
Apparently , the Number 11 also has another Masonic reference - whereas 33 refers to ' the Master ' , the number 11 refers to ' the Initiate '. I think this means you attain a rank of 11 degrees when you go through the first of the 3 Masonic initiation ceremonies.