Homeschooling

[loderlive]

Who needs school when you have the internet, if you want to know something you can find it. This was not always so and the internet age gives access to ways of communication and information we never had before. It comes with freedom to perfect and master the art of a chosen vocation without the need to be spoon fed information through institution. To ignite a real sense of passion you will find reading, writing, communication and friendships not only learnt but mastered as a consequence. For it is done through purpose not effort. The ones who go through school just to get out of it seems a complete waste of time. The responsibility we have to ourself is to give the next generation tools with which to unlock this potential. To lead, observe, guide and deal with the next generation so that when they grow old you know who you are talking to. You replant your leadership to the next. Not a leadership of power and authority. And perhaps homeschooling is the wrong term because i'm not meaning education solely taught in the home by the parent for that is just one indoctrination for another. I am meaning schooling where the child directs his or her learning and the parent simply guides, so their will be influences in the wider community.

[montag]

Who needs school when you have the internet
Thats true, but what is needed before that is discernment, can that be taught or is it only available through experience?

[loderlive]

Thats true, but what is needed before that is discernment, can that be taught or is it only available through experience?

Leaders

[montag]

Leaders
Leaders have agendas..

[loderlive]

Leaders have agendas..

Exactly

[cheeney1]

Exactly

Then whats your fucking point

[duckingdafta]

I have a habit of downloading whatever program is used in my kids schools.. for example my son does media so I have all the Adobe CS3 creative suite they use.. the thing is, these programs are free for schools and yet they want me to pay £1000's for them when you add up all that you need in one PC.... no wonder pirate downloading is so successful. My 7yr old uses a reading one called 'Lexia' and this again free for schools and they want me to pay for it.. I noticed if you want to teach kids at home, don't expect to get it the same price you would from a schooling term... yet you have to prove to the government you have all the needed facilities to do the job... in other words, you CAN teach from home as long as you have money and teach exactly what and how they tell you to... this prevents individuals from becoming experts and brilliant in their chosen field...slowing of the indigo some say, like following your dreams, these are given to the kids as ideologies in schools...

[montag]

Exactly
So by leaders are you implying teachers..?

[loderlive]

So by leaders are you implying teachers..?

You are not comfortable with the word Leader?

[montag]

You are not comfortable with the word Leader?
My level of comfort is irrelevant, I'm just trying to understand your POV..

[Anders Lindman]

Entertaining computer programs could be used in education. A combination of video games, multimedia and Internet access. These programs could be used in public schools, private schools and in homeschooling.

Today's education systems seem to almost on purpose have been constructed to be as boring and Nazi-like as possible.

[loderlive]

My level of comfort is irrelevant, I'm just trying to understand your POV..

What is the definition of agenda "things to be done" so yes leaders have agenda. To observe, guide and deal with the next generation so that when they grow old you know who you are talking to. You replant your leadership to the next. Not a leadership of power and authority.

[montag]

What is the definition of agenda "things to be done" so yes leaders have agenda. To observe, guide and deal with the next generation so that when they grow old you know who you are talking to. You replant your leadership to the next. Not a leadership of power and authority.
I agree, then so would most teachers as I'm sure they believe that they already fill that role.

[purple is a fruit]

Entertaining computer programs could be used in education. A combination of video games, multimedia and Internet access. These programs could be used in public schools, private schools and in homeschooling.

Today's education systems seem to almost on purpose have been constructed to be as boring and Nazi-like as possible.

And that the truth!
They make the kids at my sons school march around the school oval like soldiers. My son is so bored with school I got a letter home the other day saying he was lying down on the home economics room floor quacking like a duck and throwing scone dough. BOREDOM!

[montag]

Entertaining computer programs could be used in education. A combination of video games, multimedia and Internet access. These programs could be used in public schools, private schools and in homeschooling.
This is already happening it's called 'outcome based education' or 'mastery learning'. Read John Taylor Gatto or Charlotte Iserby both have very good books on the subject.

[montag]

John Taylor Gatto - State Controlled Consciousness - YouTube

[Anders Lindman]

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And that the truth!
They make the kids at my sons school march around the school oval like soldiers. My son is so bored with school I got a letter home the other day saying he was lying down on the home economics room floor quacking like a duck and throwing scone dough. BOREDOM!

Kids have a lot of energy and they learn very fast when they are motivated.

The school systems are still very much like this old-fashioned caricature:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EimkXIW47ME

[Anders Lindman]

This is already happening it's called 'outcome based education' or 'mastery learning'. Read John Taylor Gatto or Charlotte Iserby both have very good books on the subject.

There is a huge potential business opportunity for this. The big entertainment companies will maybe start to develop a lot of software for education.

[nessa felagund]

There is a huge potential business opportunity for this. The big entertainment companies will maybe start to develop a lot of software for education.

Software companies are actively engaged in writing educational and entertaining programs.

One example that I know of is Sims 2 Pets--they have put out a version to help students write personal stories using the Sims game. They can create characters, plots, settings, etc. all the elements that go into stories. Then they can watch their story in Sims style--:D

Education needs to update itself to meet the needs of our technological society--we are still operating under the old model introduced a hundred years ago. No wonder students are bored with the curriculum.

[montag]

There is a huge potential business opportunity for this. The big entertainment companies will maybe start to develop a lot of software for education.
I'm saying that it's a bad thing not a good thing, these programs are set up to drill the children to make sure they answer in the correct 'authorized' way, not to make them think for themselves, this is happening now and it's bad enough already with letting the large corporations in for a cut of the action.

[montag]

Software companies are actively engaged in writing educational and entertaining programs.

One example that I know of is Sims 2 Pets--they have put out a version to help students write personal stories using the Sims game. They can create characters, plots, settings, etc. all the elements that go into stories. Then they can watch their story in Sims style--:D

Education needs to update itself to meet the needs of our technological society--we are still operating under the old model introduced a hundred years ago. No wonder students are bored with the curriculum.
Try this one on for size.. http://www.abc.net.au/science/planetslayer/greenhouse_calc.htm

[Anders Lindman]

Software companies are actively engaged in writing educational and entertaining programs.

One example that I know of is Sims 2 Pets--they have put out a version to help students write personal stories using the Sims game. They can create characters, plots, settings, etc. all the elements that go into stories. Then they can watch their story in Sims style--:D

Education needs to update itself to meet the needs of our technological society--we are still operating under the old model introduced a hundred years ago. No wonder students are bored with the curriculum.

We will probably see more of this, plus networking software like World of Warcraft, education version. Or SIMS Interactive Education where both students and teachers can participate.

[Anders Lindman]

I'm saying that it's a bad thing not a good thing, these programs are set up to drill the children to make sure they answer in the correct 'authorized' way, not to make them think for themselves, this is happening now and it's bad enough already with letting the large corporations in for a cut of the action.

The software will probably function best as a complement, not as a complete replacement of ordinary education.

Plus the software could be made interactive and networked, allowing both students and teachers to participate.

The experts who construct education systems would love the statistics this kind of software could give them. :D

[loderlive]

I agree, then so would most teachers as I'm sure they believe that they already fill that role.

And perhaps homeschooling is the wrong term because i'm not meaning education solely taught in the home by the parent for that is just one indoctrination for another. I am meaning schooling where the child directs his or her learning and the parent simply guides, so their will be influences in the wider community.

[nessa felagund]

Try this one on for size.. http://www.abc.net.au/science/planetslayer/greenhouse_calc.htm

omg--i'm an energy pig :D

That's a funny one, montag :)

but i've seen many programs that work just like this one--not sure they are that effective, but they're fun--they are mainly geared to elementary aged school children rather than high school

[montag]

I am meaning schooling where the child directs his or her learning and the parent simply guides, so their will be influences in the wider community.
Well if your serious about understanding more about this then I highly recommend this book, I read it just recently, it's a must read especially if you have or plan to have children.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm

[loderlive]

Well if your serious about understanding more about this then I highly recommend this book, I read it just recently, it's a must read especially if you have or plan to have children.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm

Yes this is a book I have been meaning to read for some time and will get round to it eventually, at least "Dumbing us Down". I am beginning to realise how the significance of my life now will impact upon the time I become a parent.

[Anders Lindman]

Theoretically it should be possible to develop huge Second Life type of virtual education worlds. With millions of students and teachers participating. :eek: That could probably provide very efficient education but it can never completely replace real life education I think. It could however create an enormous boost for education.

[danielg]

Theoretically it should be possible to develop huge Second Life type of virtual education worlds. With millions of students and teachers participating. That could probably provide very efficient education but it can never completely replace real life education I think. It could however create an enormous boost for education.
Why would it give education a boost yet not replace real life teaching? If, as virtual teaching is, inferior to face-to-face teaching, what 'enormous boost' could it give while being inferior?

[Anders Lindman]

Why would it give education a boost yet not replace real life teaching? If, as virtual teaching is, inferior to face-to-face teaching, what 'enormous boost' could it give while being inferior?

Nothing can replace a real life teacher. Virtual worlds however, can provide a whole new dimension of education, not to replace real teachers, not even to replace ordinary textbooks, but to offer new forms of education.

As an example, imagine that you take a class in biology and is about to learn about cells. Advanced real-time 3D graphics of the biology in combination with explanations and tasks for the student could create a vastly more efficient form of education than an ordinary biology class.

Students and teachers could also help each other is some advanced Yahoo! Answers form of way.

Plus the virtual education worlds should be made very entertaining. Just look how much time, effort and energy people spend on for example World of Warcraft and The SIMS.

[danielg]

Having a virtual display is somewhat different to a 'second life type of virtual world', or at least implies it.

[Anders Lindman]

Having a virtual display is somewhat different to a 'second life type of virtual world', or at least implies it.

I meant the kind of 3D graphics used in video games today. But advanced graphics is just one tool. Another important part is the networking capacity of computers. We have only begun to tap into that huge potential of social networking in the form of MySpace, Facebook, YouTube, forums, World of Warcraft, Second Life, Wikipedia, Digg, Yahoo! Anwers etc. The information age is still very young.

[icke_is_right]

School is a ridiculous system in it's present state. Sitting children in classes for hours on end is criminal. Children should be able to move around and play, learning should be a small part of the day.

I wouldn't be keen on computers and education. As Montag wrote discernment is important before having endless ideas. There seems to be boundless information but very few people who can actually use it constructively.

Few people I have met are at the level good enough to home school children. However, children I travelled with years ago where far more 'street wise' than other kids sat in school. Why waste a childhood in school when you could be having good years, on the beach for instance?

In the end shooling is about programming humans to become bods.

[Anders Lindman]

I wouldn't be keen on computers and education. As Montag wrote discernment is important before having endless ideas. There seems to be boundless information but very few people who can actually use it constructively.



Computers could be used as powerful tools for education. One idea is to start with a simple application and then let it grow organically. For example a social networking website for education. Something like Wikipedia but more interactive.

[element]

I'm still in favor of letting children be more active in life, not only understanding texts and electronics, but see things for themself. (nature etc) Computers and tv have shown to be way to addictive, especially to young people. Western people are becoming more robotic and less social as we speak.

[loderlive]

Sitting children in classes for hours on end is criminal.

Children should be able to move around and play, learning should be a small part of the day.

Discernment is important before having endless ideas.

There seems to be boundless information but very few people who can actually use it constructively.

Few people I have met are at the level good enough to home school children.

Why waste a childhood in school when you could be having good years, on the beach for instance?



All truth

[Anders Lindman]

I'm still in favor of letting children be more active in life, not only understanding texts and electronics, but see things for themself. (nature etc) Computers and tv have shown to be way to addictive, especially to young people. Western people are becoming more robotic and less social as we speak.

I agree. Children sitting still in classrooms for many years. My idea was that the advanced use of computers in education could significantly shorten the time needed for learning basic knowledge.