Da Vinci Code author's new upcoming book

[tinmenace]

The Solomon Key by Dan Brown (release: 2007)

Likely content speculations:

"Disguised on the jacket of The Da Vinci Code, numerous encrypted messages hint at the subject matter of Dan Brown's next book"

From these clues, it seems that the following will play a part in the novel:

* The fraternity known as Freemasonry
* The Masonic membership of 20 of the 56 Founding Fathers
* The semi-esoteric architecture of Washington, D.C.
* Solomon Kullback, a famous NSA cryptographer
* Robert Langdon as the protagonist
* A look into the history of the USA (since been confirmed by Brown).


...the most recent U.S. Presidential election was a choice between two members of the Skull and Bones secret society

...in 2004, Dan Brown visited Salt Lake and seemed very interested in the Masonic nature of the symbols carved on the outside of the LDS Temple. This relationship, among others, between Freemasonry and Mormonism may play a role in The Solomon Key.


Possible plots devices include:


The Kryptos sculpture in the complex of the Central Intelligence Agency in Langley, Virginia.

The Mona Lisa's "right eye", possibly mixed with esoteric connections to the Eye of Horus and the portrayal of George Washington on the U.S. dollar bill.
The Great Seal of the United States, which some claim contains the Illuminati symbol of an eye above an unfinished pyramid.
The Information Awareness Office, which has as part of its logo the eye and pyramid mentioned above.[8]
The House of the Temple, a masonic temple in Washington, D.C.
The Society of the Cincinnati, a group formed by officers of the American Revolution who idolized Cincinnatus which (to the alarm of Thomas Jefferson) mutated into a hereditary support system for families of the society. At the time, it was widely criticized as a way of setting up a hereditary nobility in America.

Click for source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Solomon_Key)


What is the Solomon's Key?

The Key of Solomon is a grimoire or book on magic attributed to King Solomon (as several others were). The known copies originated in the Middle Ages and later. The book contains several paragraphs and terms inspired by Talmudic texts and the Jewish Kabbalah teaching.

Click for Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_of_Solomon)


Sounds good. I can't wait to read it.

[carlg1212]

I enjoyed reading "Angels and Demons". Then, my conspiracy mind sprang into action, downplaying the book as "just another scheme to desensitize talk of the Grand Conspiracy as the work of fiction."

So, is it an enjoyable work of fiction, or another piece of propaganda? Or both? Maybe "they" want us to know the secrets?

After December 21, 2012, it won't matter much anyway.

[tinmenace]

Did you ever read Da Vinci Code? A very well compiled novel. Made me aware of secret societies and primed my curiosity, so that by the time I came across David Icke, I was SO ready to learn all there was to learn about secret things. I was just so tired of everyone treading ever so gently around these issues. David pushed aside all the bullshit in one clean sweep and laid it out in a way that I could understand it.

The rabbit hole sure does go very deep indeed!

[carlg1212]

Never read the DaVinci Code. But I feel where you're coming from.

When I first started questioning things, I noticed most people were close-lipped. It's nice to know other people seriously question what's going on. I don't feel quite like such an outcast.

I tell people that don't believe Icke to prove him wrong. Prove that there hasn't been a conspiracy of wealthy elite that have stolen from and enslaved people for thousands of years. They can't.

[paulski]

Sorry, but I have to question why a book like the Da Vinci Code reached a mass audience, disinformation I suspect, a bit like the Celestine Prophecy..

[tommi]

What is the Solomon's Key?


http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/ksol.htm

[hagbard_celine]

Dan Brown's books are entertaining and do raise the issue of conspiracy theories, but in a very confused and sensationalized way. The organization he calls The Illuminati in "Angels and Demons" does not exist and has nothing in common with the real Loomies. The real Loomies are not fighting the Vatican, they created the Vatican!

[phoenix1]

Sorry, but I have to question why a book like the Da Vinci Code reached a mass audience, disinformation I suspect, a bit like the Celestine Prophecy..

I agree I when I read Angels and Demons, and The Da Vinci code , although entertaining books, I felt they were so "scripted up" for the masses.

In my oppinion the books were leading the readers, bit totally evasive for me.
Yeah and all the vatican stuff, and the lets feel sorry for "opus dei Silas" in the book was smoke and mirrors. Claddic illusion and seed planting , people thought they where getting "esoteric conceptual script" I thought BULLSHHIT!! at the end.

I run with my best tool af intuition on Dan Brown, hell he was all over Discovery and National Geographic and pemeated every newpaper in print, and evrery TV station.

Dan Brown in ny humble oppinion is on the payroll , and was a pretty good coup attemp on the populace.

There was nothing "solid in the books" and remember they where "fictional Novels"


Dan Brown = Bullshit for me , thogh i'll get the new book to read a bit more into him.

He just "feels well wrong , when you know your onions from your shallots, if ya see what I'm saying... good guy bad guy, science has taken over Divine Law, and its all dissconection.

Maybe i;ll re-read them sometime but I don't think I need too as the "misstrust" of Dan Brown was prevelant in my mind the last time I read them.

I have more important reads going on. No I think he is a bullshitter.

One good thing to come of is was, that he did tune people into "seeing" religious iconography . Bur he could have portrayed far deeper stuff, if he knew his subject matter, than he did in those two books I read.

Digital fortress i've not read has anyone else ??

Phoenix1

[oneofmany]

Sorry, but I have to question why a book like the Da Vinci Code reached a mass audience, disinformation I suspect, a bit like the Celestine Prophecy..

The Celestine Prophecy is truth, disguised as fiction. If you fell for the trap of believing anything else, then you need your third eye squeegeeing Paulski. I thought you would see through the trap they laid in this book, It was obvious that they didn't want you to believe a word of it, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't ring true. Feel within yourself for the truth and you will know it rings of it. As I have studied the philosophies that the Celestine prophesies talks about, it was obvious to me that the book was talking truth, and nothing but.
The way they disguised it was rather Hollywood, but the philosophies beneath it is pure truth in by book. Cant you feel it?

[i_am]

No I think he is a bullshitter.


Phoenix1

So did someone who lives near Rosslyn Chapel :D I took this last year inthe lane near the Chapel.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7078/davinci2tc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[phoenix1]

So did someone who lives near Rosslyn Chapel :D I took this last year inthe lane near the Chapel.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7078/davinci2tc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


HAHAHAHAHAHHA Nice post, I love it i-am, ROFLMHO

And I love your Av too NO NOTHING hahah Spitting in the face of the dictators!!

Pheonix:) :D

[paulski]

http://www.plumbingproducts.com/images/squegee2.jpg



Feel within yourself for the truth and you will know it rings of it

Ok the third eye has been truly squegeed promise, while I do take on board that it does have some universal truths, for me Redfield made a book using a patchwork of philosophies and mysticism and these I can read in more detail and better written by others. Sorry, I just didn't feel it bro.

[tinmenace]

I thought the Da Vinci Code was a well written NOVEL. That's the beginning and the end of it. After reading that book, I went on to research how much of it was true, and in doing so, I learned a whole lot about the Roman Catholic Church and it's power, the Knights Templar, and secret societies, AND this thing about bloodlines. This made me research even further and really, this is how I found David.

Bottom line is that Da Vinci Code is a novel. A very entertaining novel, and I think it's success demonstrates a very important point....that people are ready to wake up and learn the truth.

I'm very interested to see what Dan Brown has to say in his new book. How much of it is true and how much of it is disinformation. :rolleyes:

[oneofmany]

http://www.plumbingproducts.com/images/squegee2.jpg





Ok the third eye has been truly squegeed promise, while I do take on board that it does have some universal truths, for me Redfield made a book using a patchwork of philosophies and mysticism and these I can read in more detail and better written by others. Sorry, I just didn't feel it bro.Look at each insight on it's own merits, But I agree with the patch job. It took me years though to find the information that was contained in that one book. This is why I see the merit of it. all wrapped into one.

[thoth]

Dan Brown is a brotherhood initiate, in my opnion. The name DAN rings bells for me because the Tribe of Dan is supposedly one of the tribes of ISIS-RA-EL, and the governor of In-DIANA is Bitch, I mean Mitch DAN-iels, and he is all up the Bushes asshole like a parasite. Check out the exposing In-DIANA thread to see who this assfuck really.

[seanx]

I think one of the main reasons the Catholic churuch went to
such lenghts to rubbish the Da Vinci Code was not concern over
it's central thesis , that jesus was married etc ( the church calculated
most people wouldn't believe that)... but the
other ACTUAL truths that it did REVEAL.

For example, the historical fact that the Church butchered
and KILLED over 100,000 women during the Dark ages, using
the 'excuse' they were 'witches' - while the truth they were
destroying the last remaining conscious 'direct' links to other higher dimensions.

Thus keeping us fully reapped in this illusion.

I mean I was brought up a Catholic - and surprise! surprise! they seemed
to have left out that little fact.

Also just read great quote from Robbin Williams, the actor:

' I'm spiritual. I pray, I meditate - but I don't do organized religions.
There're the nearest thing to organized crime

[tinmenace]

Dan Brown is a brotherhood initiate, in my opnion. The name DAN rings bells for me because the Tribe of Dan is supposedly one of the tribes of ISIS-RA-EL, and the governor of In-DIANA is Bitch, I mean Mitch DAN-iels, and he is all up the Bushes asshole like a parasite. Check out the exposing In-DIANA thread to see who this assfuck really.


I think I have to agree with you. Da Vinci Code was absolute disinformation, but so well written it came across as non-fiction....until you did a bit of digging. I find it interesting that the Roman Catholic Church was all outspoken against the book blah blah. Just another dog-and-pony show to convince the masses that perhaps there actually WAS some truth to the book. It's obviously misleading. They want you so busy trying to figure out the Jesus thing that you stop looking at what the Church is REALLY about.

I look forward to hearing what Dan Brown has to say, because if he's done TRUE research, he'll be posting the truth and we all know what that is. But if he posts a bunch of crap, it'll be interesting to hear WHERE he did his research. The fact that the Illuminati is going to be the subject matter... well let's see how he defines Illuminati...:rolleyes:

[mrguitarbear]

It doesn't matter that the Dan Brown stuff is fiction , if it gets people interested in looking behind the scenes and thinking about conspiracies then its all good. Those who are ready for further awakening will find their way to the people and places which will then enable them to go the next step of the way : remember , when you need a teacher then the teacher will find you - whether that teacher is a person , a book , a movie or an internet site.

The next door doesn't open until you are ready for it to open...

[tinmenace]

It doesn't matter that the Dan Brown stuff is fiction , if it gets people interested in looking behind the scenes and thinking about conspiracies then its all good. Those who are ready for further awakening will find their way to the people and places which will then enable them to go the next step of the way : remember , when you need a teacher then the teacher will find you - whether that teacher is a person , a book , a movie or an internet site.

The next door doesn't open until you are ready for it to open...

Thank you! That's what I was trying to say earlier :)

[lumukanda]

I thought the Da Vinci Code was a well written NOVEL. That's the beginning and the end of it. After reading that book, I went on to research how much of it was true, and in doing so, I learned a whole lot about the Roman Catholic Church and it's power, the Knights Templar, and secret societies, AND this thing about bloodlines. This made me research even further and really, this is how I found David.

Bottom line is that Da Vinci Code is a novel. A very entertaining novel, and I think it's success demonstrates a very important point....that people are ready to wake up and learn the truth.

I'm very interested to see what Dan Brown has to say in his new book. How much of it is true and how much of it is disinformation. :rolleyes:

see i read the da vinci code, it was alright, lots of the info i'd read before, so it was nothing new, but to many people this was the first time they'd read things like this before. some people (most actually) need to be eased in, and if the da vinci code, or the celestine prophecy or conversations with god starts them on their path, well, that's all good then.

often we just dismiss things wholesale, but everything has value if read from the proper perspective, and this differs from person to person and time to time. i have read books that are just the biggest load of shit, just complete disinfo, and yet, within all this crap, i'll find a piece of information that i'd never considered, or something which ties in with something else i've read or even leads me on a whole new direction. the thing to me is just to keep learning, read as much as you can, think about what you're reading, even if it's rubbish, you get the insight into why it's rubbish, i'm not saying read crap because you may learn something, i am saying, you'll be very surprised sometimes at what you learn and where.

[tinmenace]

i have read books that are just the biggest load of shit, just complete disinfo, and yet, within all this crap, i'll find a piece of information that i'd never considered, or something which ties in with something else i've read or even leads me on a whole new direction.

Right! I agree completely. Sometimes you actually find the gem amongst the crap. The little spark that has you consider something from a different angle. I agree with you completely.

[tru3]

I think one of the main reasons the Catholic churuch went to
such lenghts to rubbish the Da Vinci Code was not concern over
it's central thesis , that jesus was married etc ( the church calculated
most people wouldn't believe that)... but the
other ACTUAL truths that it did REVEAL.

For example, the historical fact that the Church butchered
and KILLED over 100,000 women during the Dark ages, using
the 'excuse' they were 'witches' - while the truth they were
destroying the last remaining conscious 'direct' links to other higher dimensions.

Thus keeping us fully reapped in this illusion.

I mean I was brought up a Catholic - and surprise! surprise! they seemed
to have left out that little fact.

Also just read great quote from Robbin Williams, the actor:

the "loomies" (i like that hagbard, can i use it??:D ) have been destroying ancient knowledge, imo, since the burning of the library in alexandria, continuing up through today burning terrence mckenna's library.

and burning women too; midwives, shamanic healers tapped into the old ways.

as for dan brown, he pretty much stole the underpinnings for the plot of "the code" from michael baigent, who wrote "holy blood, holy grail" twenty years ago. they just had a court case, and baigent lost.

now, baigent is an interesting guy. it's quite possible he is loomie agent; to me, dan brown's just a writer who knew a great story when he saw it.

baigent also has a new book out, called "the jesus papers", which i read several weeks ago. to me, he clearly comes out as a proponent of gnostic illumination, and is therefore immediately a suspect, imv. either that, or he has no clue as to the darker implications of it. if so, he is an irresponsible source.

i suspect it's the latter. here are some video snippets of him explaining his thesis. if he is an agent, then at this point in the cycle, the loomies are just finally admitting what can no longer hold plausible deniability.

but here's an interesting plot twist: perhaps the loomies, through the baigent/brown court case, promote dan brown, and he becomes the "de facto" source of the grail story, marginalizing it into "fictional status". if baigent wins, then the scholarship that he performed becomes more mainstream, and the grail story moves into "historical status".

who knows? :confused: judge for yourself:

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/189/story_18902_1.html

For what I saw at the abbey then (and will now recount) caused me to think that often inquisitors create heretics. And not only in the sense that they imagine heretics where these do not exist, but also that inquisitors repress the heretical putrefaction so vehemently that many are driven to share in it, in their hatred for the judges. Truly, a circle conceived by the Devil. God preserve us.-- The Name of the Rose, by Umberto Eco.

[john white]

Right! I agree completely. Sometimes you actually find the gem amongst the crap. The little spark that has you consider something from a different angle. I agree with you completely.

The question is: what do we beleive in?

Unity through conformity or unity through diversity?

If its the former, our own subconcious secretly yearns for the NWO

If its the later, no contribution is without value, even if we utterly object to it

[tinmenace]

The question is: what do we beleive in?

Unity through conformity or unity through diversity?

If its the former, our own subconcious secretly yearns for the NWO

If its the later, no contribution is without value, even if we utterly object to it

No, not conformity. Never conformity. So, you're right. No contribution is without value.

Yes, you make perfect sense!

Who are you!!!??

LOL, just kidding.... ;)

[john white]

LOL! I'm the guy who co-runs that Illuminati disinfo site Illusionsforum! ( ;) just teasing!)

I'll tell you what I got from both Dan Brown and Holy Blood Holy Grail:

The bloodline elites like to spin mythology to claim its symbolic power too

Though the way that the aristocracy has exercised it droit de signeaur over the years, who isn't related to Christ by now?

If the merovingians really "kept it in the family" Charlemange would have been black!

[tinmenace]

Yeah you know, this whole mythology thing just gives me a big cramp in the pooper!

I don't understand how a historical figure could have had a mythological god for a parent? How do they reconcile those two opposing viewpoints??

[john white]

Yeah you know, this whole mythology thing just gives me a big cramp in the pooper!

I don't understand how a historical figure could have had a mythological god for a parent? How do they reconcile those two opposing viewpoints??

Here's how I see it:

Even if Christ was a real guy who really lived, no-one else can own him in the way Church and Elites posture like they do through anything else but mythology: becuase its a myth that any being can derive authority from another: an illusion

As for how to reconcile the two viewpoints, well if we cross wire the left and right brain we get an infinite fruitloop...

[tinmenace]

I'm sorry, I meant more like Hercules, for example, whose mother was mortal and his father was Zeus. What about Apollo whose son was ambushed and killed by Achilles who was apparently a mortal.

See how it interweaves? I think that the gods were real living deities, with 'supernatural' powers, but we've been told to believe that it's 'mythology' because that way we don't get curious about immortality and our 'supernatural' powers which have been suppressed for millennia. Our birthright, as another poster called it.

Your thoughts?

[tinmenace]

Oh one more thing, I find it interesting that we still honor Apollo (space program), etc. So many things are named after the gods. I don't think this is mythological at all!!

[tru3]

LOL! I'm the guy who co-runs that Illuminati disinfo site Illusionsforum! ( ;) just teasing!)

I'll tell you what I got from both Dan Brown and Holy Blood Holy Grail:

The bloodline elites like to spin mythology to claim its symbolic power too

Though the way that the aristocracy has exercised it droit de signeaur over the years, who isn't related to Christ by now?

If the merovingians really "kept it in the family" Charlemange would have been black!


i can't think of a single spiritual system that hasn't been hijacked at least partially by the loomies, from lemuria on up to today. notice i say they hijack truth; they don't create, they twist and mutate. gnostic illumination is spiritual truth distorted through the lense of pride, imv. if they can't hijack, then they grind into dust, as in tibet and with the practicitoners of falun gong in china.

[john white]

I'm sorry, I meant more like Hercules, for example, whose mother was mortal and his father was Zeus. What about Apollo whose son was ambushed and killed by Achilles who was apparently a mortal.

See how it interweaves? I think that the gods were real living deities, with 'supernatural' powers, but we've been told to believe that it's 'mythology' because that way we don't get curious about immortality and our 'supernatural' powers which have been suppressed for millennia. Our birthright, as another poster called it.

Your thoughts?

Absolutely, the further back we go the more corporeal "the Gods" become

Did you ever see Jordan Maxwell's lecture on the Nephilim and the mis-translations in Genesis? Fascinating stuff, I'm sure it will float your boat

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8431552640288551100&q=jordan+maxwell

Immortality and supernatural powers dont interest me so much, 'cos TBH I'll be content enough at the end of my span to be getting out of here, and fear and the desire for immortality/temporal power are inextricably linked. Much easier to surrender to the loving care of the true creator than struggle through the experiance of being on this dimension!

[john white]

i can't think of a single spiritual system that hasn't been hijacked at least partially by the loomies, from lemuria on up to today. notice i say they hijack truth; they don't create, they twist and mutate. gnostic illumination is spiritual truth distorted through the lense of pride, imv. if they can't hijack, then they grind into dust, as in tibet and with the practicitoners of falun gong in china.


spot on tru. Lets refine it a little further: is there a single spiritual system that hasnt been hijacked at least partially by man's unreconciled ego, which the illumies are a manifestation of?

[tinmenace]

Immortality and supernatural powers dont interest me so much, 'cos TBH I'll be content enough at the end of my span to be getting out of here, and fear and the desire for immortality/temporal power are inextricably linked. Much easier to surrender to the loving care of the true creator than struggle through the experiance of being on this dimension!

Thanks for the link, I'll watch it this weekend when I have more time to relax and center myself.

Yes I understand where you're coming from on immortality and supernatural powers. But let me ask you this...

If these 'gifts' are a right to which you're entitled by birth, would you not want to know why they've been suppressed? And by whom? Would you not want to be as WHOLE as you can? Would you not want to reclaim that which has been wrongfully taken from you?

We cannot be complete if we dismiss even a small part of our potential whole. No?

[king]

What is the Solomon's Key?




Sounds good. I can't wait to read it.



it sure seems that illuminati are gradually introducing people to the idea of freemasonry, because they are even "exposing it" in mainstream media.


sounds like that Masons what their religion reveled to mases in a next few years

[tinmenace]

it sure seems that illuminati are gradually introducing people to the idea of freemasonry, because they are even "exposing it" in mainstream media.


sounds like that Masons what their religion reveled to mases in a next few years

Interesting times, right? ;)

[john white]

If these 'gifts' are a right to which you're entitled by birth, would you not want to know why they've been suppressed? And by whom? Would you not want to be as WHOLE as you can? Would you not want to reclaim that which has been wrongfully taken from you?

We cannot be complete if we dismiss even a small part of our potential whole. No?


Oh we could end up horribly metaphysical here

For instance, a drive to become whole by regaining all the potential we believe has been stolen from us ensures that our mindset is constantly one of being incomplete: and thus we never are. Plenty get sucked into the brotherhood web simply on the promise of finding completeness alone: and such a promise is never delivered. After all, nothing dependant on a perspective of duality ever can be

Completeness is not some goal to be achieved at some point in the future: completeness is the reality of who we are now. And a man who has found his inner harmony is always complete, and therefore cannot possibly have anything stolen from him: least of all his free will. Knowing what was, what will be or what might be is entirely secondary compared to that: interesting for sure, and reasonably useful: but never essential. After all, the creator does not create incomplete souls. We already have everything we could ever need

To live from the grace of balance is the one sure fire way to manifest our total potential (whatever that may be): into infinity, infinately.

[aznality]

I've only heard about this book late last year. Can't wait for its release.

[tru3]

great thread! i hope we haven't hijacked it, because it was originally about dan brown's book (wasn't it???:confused: lol).

Lets refine it a little further: is there a single spiritual system that hasnt been hijacked at least partially by man's unreconciled ego, which the illumies are a manifestation of?

oh, no question about it, john. denial and projection are every bit as powerful as the loa. my comments were in the context of the books and the possible agendas they could be supporting. people will be attracted to the books that support their belief structure, for the most part.

people are "searching" for answers, and the hour is late. i'm just trying to save people a bit of time, based on my own investigations. probably just a waste of time, but at least it amuses me. i'm a five on the enneagram; i will build you a clock to tell you what time it is. :o

there are brilliant solitary realizers, imv, but when the church/ashram coalesces around them as it almost inevitably seems to, that's when the trouble starts. people are amazingly resourceful and clever with respect to abdicating their own Authority.

For instance, a drive to become whole by regaining all the potential we believe has been stolen from us ensures that our mindset is constantly one of being incomplete: and thus we never are. Plenty get sucked into the brotherhood web simply on the promise of finding completeness alone: and such a promise is never delivered. After all, nothing dependant on a perspective of duality ever can be

this is what i meant by the hell of gnostic illumination. when one kneels before some "illuminated master" and gazes into that "sacred heart", well, "abandon all hope all ye who enter". one is "0wn3d" at the soul level. in a strange, roundabout way, perhaps the human ego is simply a defense against this awful form of parasitism. :confused: perhaps separation is a necessary part of the evolution of Spirit emerging through physical form.

Completeness is not some goal to be achieved at some point in the future: completeness is the reality of who we are now. And a man who has found his inner harmony is always complete, and therefore cannot possibly have anything stolen from him: least of all his free will. Knowing what was, what will be or what might be is entirely secondary compared to that: interesting for sure, and reasonably useful: but never essential. After all, the creator does not create incomplete souls. We already have everything we could ever need

voila! and, as within, so without. the universe is fiendishly designed to force us to settle for less. the illusion of duality is a shell through which Divine Consciousness bursts forth.

we are the butterflies breaking out of our coccoons.

and a butterfly must break through, no one can break through for it. the whole process of liberation from the shell forces blood and fluid into the wings, preparing it for flight.

all that has happened in the past has been for my benefit, preparing me. now, it's up to me, right here, right now.

[john white]

Well yeah we do some to have made off with this thread like Dick Turpin Tru. Yet its always wonderful to vibe with friends

"Dan Brown Book: looking forward to it!"

[tinmenace]

This is an evolving thread. Don't stop now ;)

[mrguitarbear]

I'm a sort of gnostic Christian and personally I would never kneel before any Master ! The idea of gnosis for me is to realise that you possess a spark of ' the Divine ' within you , that you are part of God ( i.e. the Universal Mind or the Whole ) and that you are a part of everything and everything is you.

The First Level of Awakening is a spirituality beyond simple religious devotion , the Second Level is to realise that things are happening to you for a reason , the Third Level is to realise you are an individual part of a Whole , but also the Whole itself.

This is encapsulated in the teachings of the Tao , but also in the teachings of Pythagoras and the Quest for the Grail.

The Grail Quest is symbolic - the Grail Castle is your body , the wounded King who guards the Grail is you , and the Grail itself is the Spark of Divinity that is inside you. To find the Grail you must look inside yourself and answer the questions :

" Who does the Grail serve ? Answer - The King "
" What is the Secret of the Grail ? Answer - The King and the Land are One "

Whereas the Eastern way to Enlightenment is via disassociation from the world and meditation , the Western Way to Enlightenment is through myth , story and heroic adventure. The story of the Philosopher's Stone is also a secret story about the ' Divine Spark '.

Its about hearing the Logos , awakening your ' Avatar ' self and connecting to your Higher Self.

[seanx]

Tinmenace wrote:


If these 'gifts' are a right to which you're entitled by birth, would you not want to know why they've been suppressed? And by whom? Would you not want to be as WHOLE as you can? Would you not want to reclaim that which has been wrongfully taken from you?

We cannot be complete if we dismiss even a small part of our potential whole. No?

John White wrote:

Completeness is not some goal to be achieved at some point in the future: completeness is the reality of who we are now. And a man who has found his inner harmony is always complete, and therefore cannot possibly have anything stolen from him: least of all his free will. Knowing what was, what will be or what might be is entirely secondary compared to that: interesting for sure, and reasonably useful: but never essential. After all, the creator does not create incomplete souls. We already have everything we could ever need

CAn we not have both?

Need there be a conflict between them?

If I could hold a continual 'realization' of my ever-present true nature
now in 3 -D, wouldn't I automatically start displaying all these
' natural' powers? And what is wrong with that?

[edelweiss pirate]

Sounds nice Mr Bear... Why then is this very same system managing to produce masonic perverts and corrupt evil bastards who're totally off their chump and constantly finding new ways to destroy our body and souls?

Our leaders are the true adepts of schizo-gnosticism... Judge a tree by its fruit.

The truth is that true Gnostic awareness is a very harmful thing because the soul cannot survive unshielded and unprotected by the ego.. Take the ego away and you are a lost soul wandering in chaos... until your brothers and discarnate entities reach out for you and make you join their cult of evil.

It's not all fluffy.... The thing to do is the Orpheus/Horus trick.. do the return journey... Make sure you can get back from whatever awareness you glean from the gnosis.....

You can't stay there.... You have to return to normality otherwise you simply cannot function...

[mrguitarbear]

Heh heh , it might sound fluffy but I can assure you it isn't ! Life is ALWAYS testing you , and the more awakened you are the more difficult the tests are. Sometimes its like walking barefoot down a stoney path with broken glass stuck in your feet !

Although it may not seem like it , every event in history is a step forward in some respect. Towards a higher consciousness for the human race. Every crisis ( from the personal to the global ) is the result of an old way of living or thinking coming to an end , meaning a new way is waiting to come in. Bad things happening make people ask questions.

Spiritual awakening is an extremely traumatic thing , it will push you to the edge of madness if you aren't careful. You have to come back from the brink many times. But you don't have to get rid of your ego , your self-esteem or your critical faculties , you just have to understand.

[tru3]

I'm a sort of gnostic Christian and personally I would never kneel before any Master ! The idea of gnosis for me is to realise that you possess a spark of ' the Divine ' within you , that you are part of God ( i.e. the Universal Mind or the Whole ) and that you are a part of everything and everything is you.



mrguitar,

you would never kneel before a master; therefore, what i said does not apply to you. what i am talking about is what eidelweiss pirate is talking about.

The truth is that true Gnostic awareness is a very harmful thing because the soul cannot survive unshielded and unprotected by the ego.. Take the ego away and you are a lost soul wandering in chaos... until your brothers and discarnate entities reach out for you and make you join their cult of evil.

that's gnostic illumination (hence the term illuminati).

and, i'm not saying that the loomies "discovered" gnosis; they have created a twisted corrupt version of it, like they have with just about every other spiritual truth experienced by man.

as if another can illuminate Truth for one. that is trickery and sorcery. that's what i'm talking about. imv, without sufficient exploration of ones own psyche and subconscious landscape, any type of astral play is quite dodgy. not only is one open to manipulation by loomies, but one can be torn apart by one's own unconscious fears and nightmares.

so, everyone is free to pursue any type of investigation they wish, obviously.

and, in love and service, i say that this is a dangerous game. as john white said, there will always be those who are attracted to the glamour of somebody "giving" them illumination.

hey, if it came in a pill, everyone would be "enlightened".;)

i myself had studied the "course in miracles" for years (i don't currently). it very much has a gnostic basis. doing the workbook changed my life for the better. and i've been studying the tao for many years, very much in the spirit of mantak chia, but not the lineage per se. so, i am not unaware of what you're talking about.

and, i appreciate your comments and clarifying your feelings about them. :)

i'm sorry i couldn't make myself any clearer. words really are limiting with respect to these issues.

[mrguitarbear]

I think its a tricky thing because some of the early Illuminated groups were probably genuine Gnostic heresies - the Aluminados and the Allumbrados.

However so-called ' illumination ' cannot be called gnosis , in fact it is the opposite of gnosis ! Gnosis means ' knowledge ' or in other words knowing for yourself. It means not having faith in God but knowing God yourself , knowing you are part of God. Any Gnostic teaching must teach you how to awaken yourself , this is usually done by learning how to interpret signs and mystical texts.

I know from experience how hard the road to spiritual awakening is , NEVER trust anyone who says they can ' illuminate ' you in an easy way ! Its about understanding , and the road is hard to make you understand - like ploughing a field so the seeds take root when they are planted.

However I believe that more and more souls on this planet are gaining in consciousness , books and the Internet are helping greatly in this respect I think ! :)

[tru3]

I think its a tricky thing because some of the early Illuminated groups were probably genuine Gnostic heresies - the Aluminados and the Allumbrados.

However so-called ' illumination ' cannot be called gnosis , in fact it is the opposite of gnosis ! Gnosis means ' knowledge ' or in other words knowing for yourself. It means not having faith in God but knowing God yourself , knowing you are part of God. Any Gnostic teaching must teach you how to awaken yourself , this is usually done by learning how to interpret signs and mystical texts.

I know from experience how hard the road to spiritual awakening is , NEVER trust anyone who says they can ' illuminate ' you in an easy way ! Its about understanding , and the road is hard to make you understand - like ploughing a field so the seeds take root when they are planted.

However I believe that more and more souls on this planet are gaining in consciousness , books and the Internet are helping greatly in this respect I think ! :)

well put, mr.gb! i myself have been on enough 'spiritual snipe hunts' to last a lifetime. over the years, i have met hundreds of people at the moment when they begin to awaken to a deeper truth about themselves that they had long forgotten; not on the internet, i mean, standing or sitting in front of them, looking into their eyes and seeing it dawn from within them.

their most precious gift, as i see it, is their enthusiasm, their wonder, their trust. imho, once awakened, this trust should be guarded, and not given easily to any external authority, because once lost, it is not easily recovered.

p.s.

However so-called ' illumination ' cannot be called gnosis , in fact it is the opposite of gnosis

so, if i understand what you're saying, this is an oxymoron: like jumbo shrimp, and miltary intelligence! lol

[edelweiss pirate]

However so-called ' illumination ' cannot be called gnosis , in fact it is the opposite of gnosis !

Nope, it's the same.... The goal of shamans and secret society adepts since time began..

And if you study the most famous recent well known gnostic group, say the Cathars for instance, and you examine their philosophy "suicide is sacred"... then you realise something is not quite right....

I think this enlightenment system, which is in actual fact a near death experience brought on by terror and as Rimbaud put it "a rational disordering of the senses'.. may have worked for the Ancient Egyptians who had quite a civilised and harmonious culture free of the mind bending contradictions of today (hell those guys didn't even have money!)...

Problem is we live in a toxic culture where our subconscious minds are filled with inherited terrors and unresolvable contradictions in matters of science and religion....

It's just bad planning is all....

I made the return journey from schizo-gnostic illumination, however I have many former friends who are now trapped in the masons and were not quite so lucky...

It takes a hell of a lot of luck to get through it alive! Good luck if you're on the path... you may save the world one day... or destroy it... Courage!

[yinon]

Thet'll face soon their wall. It has nothing to do with enlightment but with the fact we don't respect natural law. Unfair exchanges brings destruction,

THE WALL - Pink Floyd


When we grew up and went to school, there were certain teachers who would hurt the children anyway they could
by pouring their derision upon anything we did
exposing any weakness however carefully hidden by the kids.

*You, Yes You, Stand Still Laddie!*

But in the town it was well known
When they got home at night their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!

We don't need no education
We don’t need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teacher! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

(A bunch of kids singing) We don't need no education
We don’t need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teacher! Leave us kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

Spoken:
"Wrong, Guess again!
Wrong, Guess again!
If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding.
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?
You! Yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddie!"

[Sound of many TV's coming on, all on different channels]
"The Bulls are already out there"
Pink: "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgh!"
"This Roman Meal bakery thought you'd like to know."

(A bunch of kids singing) We don't need no education
We don’t need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teacher! Leave us kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

[yinon]

Album: The Wall


All alone, or in twos,
The ones who really know you,
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand,
Some gather together in bands,
The bleeding hearts and artists,
Make their stand.
And when they've given you their all,
Some stagger and fall.
After all it's not easy,
Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall.


Watch!

[mrguitarbear]

These are some wikipedia entries relevant to my ideas :

Neoplatonism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia on Gnosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia :

" Among the sectarian gnostics, gnosis was first and foremost a matter of self acquaintance which was the goal of enlightenment. Also stated as direct knowledge of God through awareness of the divine spark within. Later, Valentinius, more usually called Valentinus, taught that gnosis was the privileged "knowledge of the heart" or "insight" about the spiritual nature of the cosmos, that brought about salvation to the pneumatics - people who believed they could achieve this insight. Gnosis was distinct from the secret teachings they only revealed to initiates once they had reached a certain level of progression. Rather, these teachings were paths to obtain gnosis. "

Thus gnosis is not strictly ' being enlightened ' as it can only come through revelation and understanding - through your own work. Whereas there are teachings for gnosis , they are cryptic and gnosis can only be gained from interpretation ( cf ' The Gospel of Truth ' found at Nag Hammadi ).

The Greek word gnosis means ' knowledge ' , it is distinct from ' enlightenment ' which is a different Greek word. I'm interested in the 2nd century Christian ideas of gnosis , not anything to do with chaos magic or Crowleyism.

I see the ideas of Neoplatonism and Gnosis as complementary to the Chinese idea of the Tao : Tao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Tao is not passivity , but simplicity and doing only what needs to be done. Thus my philosophy.

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Maybe Dan Brown will put some of these ideas in his new book ???