Icke to stand for parliament?

[cafe beelzebub]

We've also heard the views of duckingdafta and others - - over & over again; how come you're not telling them to stop banging on? Is it because their views mirror your own maybe?


having read the whole of this thread, raptorialis has by far posted the most, so he's the one i noticed... he thinks it's a bad idea, i don't have the slightest problem with his opinion, there's no need to say it 50 times though is there?

[titan]

David you have my full support. I received the e-mail enabling me to donate. I promise to arrange a donation.

Lots of love to you and your family.

titan

[lizzy]

I try to protect David Icke, so i don't want him walking into any obvious traps. He knows what this is.... he was at the BBC. He knows how it works.

To win the hearts and minds, you need more than a gung ho spirit and a pea shooter. You need believable leadership and you will not get that by playing into the hands of a political ambush.

ps. watch the 42 days detention act unfold before your very eyes. Just like magic!


going against the tide here, but raptorials has a good point........
the MSM will mangle him , throwing his reptilian bloodline theories at him right out the gate........but David is'nt new to the game or ridicule, he has to know what he is getting into
;)

[kweli]

going against the tide here, but raptorials has a good point........
the MSM will mangle him , throwing his reptilian bloodline theories at him right out the gate........but David is'nt new to the game or ridicule, he has to know what he is getting into
;)

Let's hope so Liz., for all our sakes.

[raptorialis]

dont send me any more private messages raptorialis, you arent a friend of mine, your posts are complete drivel anyway so LEAVE ME ALONE!

David,

I am sorry you feel that way. Whilst my manner has always been "devils advocate", my intention has always been to help the movement that you have pioneered.

But even you must realise that this movement is bigger than David Icke and that means that you must be open to all thoughts and new strategies.

WE ARE THE ONE. That doesn't mean "the one" according to David Icke.

This problem is truly bigger than you. I wrote directly to you because my words were not welcomed in the main and because you made yourself accessible.

I am your friend - else you are not the man i thought you were.

all the best,
Stephen
matrix hackers

[titan]

Give it a shot I say. There's something in the air at the moment so strike while the iron's hot.

David Icke was chosen for his courage. He knows what he's letting himself in for. We've come a long way since the early nineties.

Reptilian bloodlines or not, there are bloodlines trying to rule over us plain and simple.

It's not difficult to do your research on, even from the point of a 5 sense reality - the information about who's who's and what their interests are easy to follow once the interest is piqued.

How are we to know how the greater good is going to pan out? In my eyes a political opportunity to communicate, I repeat communicate, is what we have, and politics is a conduit to many people.

Just you watch as they try to ignore the Lisbon Treaty vote. People will soon realise democracy is dead and we are heading for facism.

Now is the time for the majority to be looking at alternatives.

[beldazar]

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You are no friend of MINE posting this pm, take a look in the mirror rap!
Do you think Im David or something? Wrong sex for a start! :eek:

From Raptor.........

Go on then. Fuel the peoples fear that the bourgeosie feed on.

Roll up.....and......Play the illuminati ambush game!!!!!!!!!!!

You need to get more geniune support. You cannot do these things on your own. You must do more to help the people and that means you must focus your rage using better strategies.

I know how you think. Because it is a horrible illness. Stop trying to do everything on your own.

malignant narcissist
Malignant narcissism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[duckingdafta]

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You are no friend of MINE posting this pm, take a look in the mirror rap!
Do you think Im David or something? Wrong sex for a start! :eek:

lol..well he got some of it right then when he said.

else you are not the man i thought you were

David might look good in a dress for the Xmas panto!....oh!.. no he won't... ho! yes he will!.

[raptorialis]

dont send me any more private messages raptorialis, you arent a friend of mine, your posts are complete drivel anyway so LEAVE ME ALONE!

Right, if you read your post before the one above, it did sound like Beldazar was speaking as David. Well i hope he sees the messages anyhow.

There are a lot of people out here who want to help him. But i guess he will continue to bang the same old drum. It is time to stop posturing for the cameras and making a laughing stock out of this movement. F* the reptlians and trips on drugs in the hills of South America. Where is the real momentum behind this movement?

Raptorialis
"Use the hands and mind of the hacker to soften the beast."
Prepare to rage against the raksasas.
matrix hackers

[private_eye]

I think David and many posters here are wrong to condemn parliament.

Condemn the people, the politicians that you dont like, rather than the House.

If everyone posting here stood for election and was elected, the House of Commons would be a different place.

I think David backing away from taking a seat (in the impossible event of his winning) is wrong, as that seat can enable change.

It's a case of hating the 'players' rather than the 'game'.
Players enable this current game we are stuck in.

[titan]

Well that will never happen if he has to swear allegiance to the Queen.

His message makes perfect sense to me.

Send some money or help out if you're in the area , its a great opportunity.

It's great :D

[beldazar]

Ok Raptor, if you genuinely thought I was David then I wont feel so bad about you. I did find the pm offensive, calling me a narcissist!
I dont think David is either and he isnt doing it alone is he?

Thanks duckingdafta, that made me laugh! :D

[raptorialis]

I think David and many posters here are wrong to condemn parliament.

Condemn the people, the politicians that you dont like, rather than the House.

If everyone posting here stood for election and was elected, the House of Commons would be a different place.

I think David backing away from taking a seat (in the impossible event of his winning) is wrong, as that seat can enable change.

It's a case of hating the 'players' rather than the 'game'.
Players enable this current game we are stuck in.

No, the players are being allowed to play the game in a way that the people intuitively know is underhand and not in the interests of their fellows.

But they are being kept busy.

Those who are behind the game have allowed this to happen.

The people sense it. They sense that their is a different agenda going on in the back. This can be understood by the constant introduction of policies that have a higher priority than they really should and the onslaught of fear mongering that goes on in the media and press every minute of every day.

If there is an end coming, let the people know!

For the love of God... they must tell us. Lest we push back on them to find out.

[siliconpsychosis]

Some of the online newspapers are announcing the David Icke by election news, and giving people the opportunity to leave their comments.Some people here may wish to write some words of praise to balance some of the negative voices that will inevitably arise.

The sun online has 5 comments on it so far and they are all positive. Heres the link

http://www.thesun.co.uk/discussions/posts/list/The_David_Davis_by~45~election~46~-79030.page

There is an online Hull paper and the comments there are mixed. Heres the link if you wish to add ;

http://www.thisisull.com/news08/politics/205055960_davidickebyelection.html

Obviously there will be many more sites to, so keep an eye out. Maybe we should hunt them down and keep them all listed on a separate post so that people can jump to the sites and leave comments. It would be a lot easier that way, and I'm sure so many positive comments read by 'neutrals' may help some people awakening.

[ryethorpe]

Merely the idea of Icke standing has got the MSM buzzing. He'd do well to save his £10,000 (or £500 deposit) and let these sort of people try to pave the way -

The Most Unlikely Candidate for Civil Liberties of All

Billy Ruffian- Most Unlikely Civil Liberties Defender Of All - YouTube

And as for Mad Cow Girl standing on a 42 day platform, shame on her and the entire current OMRLP, betrayers of the memory of the great Lord Sutch.

[siliconpsychosis]

The link below has a huge ongoing discussion about the by election, but few have mentioned that Icke is standing, so if anyone would like to add their comments, the large audience might take note. Heres the link :

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/haltempriceandhowden

[i_am]

We've also heard the views of duckingdafta and others - - over & over again; how come you're not telling them to stop banging on? Is it because their views mirror your own maybe?



One of the reasons I stopped contributing my opinions to this thread is because I really can't be arsed by this kind of bullying behaviour. it's not debate at all! If you don't think like the rest you're either a troll/disinfo/fanatic/agent.. blah blah effin blah! This is exactly what I mean about freedom of speech being stifled.

I also find the lack of response by admin/mods (apart from LL at the start of the thread) and other seasoned posters quite surprising; the silence is deafening.

Actually manchurian candidate commented on page 1 as well.

What would you like us to say kweli?

My opinion is that you can all debate it until the cows come home but David is his own man and will do what his inner knowing tells him to do, not what we tell him. Yes we can say what we believe and offer advice, but debating it? Pointless excercise IMO.

I don't know that I would want to put myself up for the negativity he is going to get but if he is feeling strong enough and believes he is doing the right thing, then power to him and he has my support.

If this is where his mission takes him, who are we to tell him he is wrong!

As for freedom of speech, we are staying right out of it so I would think freedom of speech is not being stifled. There are strong sentiments from all sides but none is being censored.

[ryethorpe]

The link below has a huge ongoing discussion about the by election, but few have mentioned that Icke is standing, so if anyone would like to add their comments, the large audience might take note. Heres the link :

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/haltempriceandhowden



Interessant.

[wakeupworld]

I think the idea is that this by-election will be fought in terms of civil liberties vs national security and the Icke man wants his twopenneth!

Good on him, but I can see the MSM marginalising him and treating him as a novelty candidate. I doubt he'll get on Question Time


David may well get on Question Time but it`s pointless as the propaganda channel does not air the programme live and it is edited.

[raptorialis]

Actually manchurian candidate commented on page 1 as well.

What would you like us to say kweli?

My opinion is that you can all debate it until the cows come home but David is his own man and will do what his inner knowing tells him to do, not what we tell him. Yes we can say what we believe and offer advice, but debating it? Pointless excercise IMO.

I don't know that I would want to put myself up for the negativity he is going to get but if he is feeling strong enough and believes he is doing the right thing, then power to him and he has my support.

If this is where his mission takes him, who are we to tell him he is wrong!

As for freedom of speech, we are staying right out of it so I would think freedom of speech is not being stifled. There are strong sentiments from all sides but none is being censored.



If he asks people to support him, he must be open to scrutiny.

This isn't about choosing some fish from the supermarket.

What decisions and choices he makes now and in the future could potentially cost lives.

No one is larger than the freedom movement. Don't let personalities hijaack the freedom movement. Personalities within will ultimately undermine it in the future - because they provide a convenient target to discredit and therefore subvert the whole process. The freedom movement is the hydra - it is not a sitting duck. It is the people, not one individual.

The ego minded are the shape-shifters in this movement. The really dangerous ones are the people like Alex Jones and Michael Moores. They raise the questions, yet they offer no answers. They get rich on the fear and anxiety they cause to happen.

They must not be allowed to lead the people ultimately. Politicians and Celebrities are a poor choice of leader. The celebrity will ultimately fall away from the freedom movement and the people will be vulnerable.

Get off the shelf i_am.

[beldazar]

You are one serious control freak! I hope you dont have kids...:eek:

[cruise4]

Could we arrange a late entry by the Reptilian Party do you think?

[raptorialis]

You are one serious control freak! I hope you dont have kids...:eek:

How much control do you think the illuminati have beldazar?

This is serious.

[raptorialis]

Could we arrange a late entry by the Reptilian Party do you think?

Only if labour, conservative and liberal decide they want to make an appearance at the spoof by election. But i guess they'll leave it to the circus that is supposed to be representing the freedom movement.

[kweli]

Actually manchurian candidate commented on page 1 as well.

What would you like us to say kweli?

My opinion is that you can all debate it until the cows come home but David is his own man and will do what his inner knowing tells him to do, not what we tell him. Yes we can say what we believe and offer advice, but debating it? Pointless excercise IMO.

I don't know that I would want to put myself up for the negativity he is going to get but if he is feeling strong enough and believes he is doing the right thing, then power to him and he has my support.

If this is where his mission takes him, who are we to tell him he is wrong!

As for freedom of speech, we are staying right out of it so I would think freedom of speech is not being stifled. There are strong sentiments from all sides but none is being censored.

I find your question a little strange - -'What would you like us to say kweli?' You want me to tell you what I'd like you to say? :confused:

Secondly, I'm highly surprised that you don't find it worthy of debate, a pointless exercise? Yes, of course David is his own man, just like the rest of us. But.. he's appealing for public money, (donations from forum members) to enable him 'to 'do what his inner knowing tells him to do' So I don't believe it's wrong to want to discuss the pros and cons of this whole thing.

On the freedom of speech issue; I never mentioned censorship, there's more ways to stifle free speech than that, and I've already explained exactly what I meant in the post you've just quoted.

I'm not here to cause trouble I_am, I hope you realise that by now, I just have a differing opinion to the majority it seems; that's not to say I won't be championing him if he does go ahead and joins the political puppet show. I so want to be wrong on this one, I truly do, but I can't ignore my extremely strong gut instinct that screams - - this is not the way!

[celtic isis]

Only if labour, conservative and liberal decide they want to make an appearance at the spoof by election. But i guess they'll leave it to the circus that is supposed to be representing the freedom movement.

i must admit...as much as this seems brilliant icke doing this, it does read like a circus...and gives me a bad feeling of 'sigh, oh brother'...

i mean i just clicked on here now and see the headline:

DAVID ICKE TO STAND IN 'BIG BROTHER' BY-ELECTION

He will stand under the title 'Big Brother - The Big Picture' after a tremendous response to the idea over the last few days....

i don't know, it just always seems that icke puts his case across in a crap way each time, not icke's fault necessarily but like slogans like this and all...they sound like a farce, and this is the most serious thing of all, shedding the light on the PTB...ah i don't know...

i wish icke all the luck in the world for this, it is a fantastic opportunity and if he gets to speak (and speak well) this could be the time we've all been hoping for, the final time of revealing...but of course the media will have a field day with this now...icke needs to be careful.

Just to add, i know how strong icke is, and i really respect him, and if anyone can do it HE can, and he needs to be heard and given his moment in the spotlight (but for good reasons this time)...just i can see it going belly up, i hope they won't destroy him.

If he needs help we're here for him, anything we can do...just has to ask, and i and many of us are behind him even if we feel it may be a bad move, for his own peace and his health also, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do and i understand that. Icke is the one person (aside from the others who are quite selfish) to put himself last for this...i really hope it works out.

i hope i'm not misunderstood what i've said now lol

[i_am]

I find your question a little strange - -'What would you like us to say kweli?' You want me to tell you what I'd like you to say? :confused:

Secondly, I'm highly surprised that you don't find it worthy of debate, a pointless exercise? Yes, of course David is his own man, just like the rest of us. But.. he's appealing for public money, (donations from forum members) to enable him 'to 'do what his inner knowing tells him to do' So I don't believe it's wrong to want to discuss the pros and cons of this whole thing.

On the freedom of speech issue; I never mentioned censorship, there's more ways to stifle free speech than that, and I've already explained exactly what I meant in the post you've just quoted.

I'm not here to cause trouble I_am, I hope you realise that by now, I just have a differing opinion to the majority it seems; that's not to say I won't be championing him if he does go ahead and joins the political puppet show. I so want to be wrong on this one, I truly do, but I can't ignore my extremely strong gut instinct that screams - - this is not the way!


No I don't want you to tell us what say. I found it strange that you found it strange that we had not got involved in this debate.

I Probably could have worded it a bit differently. I don't see the point of arguing and attacking people who have a differing opinion.

It continually amazes me why people on this forum have to be so confrontational and aggressive. Discuss, debate all you like but why people feel the need to belittle those who disagree with their point of view and I am not singling out anybody here, amazes the hell out of me. This was your comment

One of the reasons I stopped contributing my opinions to this thread is because I really can't be arsed by this kind of bullying behaviour. it's not debate at all! If you don't think like the rest you're either a troll/disinfo/fanatic/agent.. blah blah effin blah! This is exactly what I mean about freedom of speech being stifled.

and if you think about it, that is what I am saying too. This is the reason I rarely contribute to any threads any more. There is always someone going on the attack and quite frankly, I just do not resonate with these energy draining tactics.

[steevo]

i must admit...as much as this seems brilliant icke doing this, it does read like a circus...and gives me a bad feeling of 'sigh, oh brother'...

i mean i just clicked on here now and see the headline:

i don't know, it just always seems that icke puts his case across in a crap way each time, not icke's fault necessarily but like slogans like this and all...they sound like a farce, and this is the most serious thing of all, shedding the light on the PTB...ah i don't know...

i wish icke all the luck in the world for this, it is a fantastic opportunity and if he gets to speak (and speak well) this could be the time we've all been hoping for, the final time of revealing...but of course the media will have a field day with this now...icke needs to be careful.

I PERSONALLY dont like the "Big Brother" slogan much either because people relate it to the tv program of the same name and it doesnt sound like a party with a serious message because of that. However, maybe we should not underestimate the British public. Also, all the negative talk (by just a handful of people) on here about David Icke standing in the election will prey on our minds and make us worry and this is PARTLY due to seeds of doubt being planted in our minds IN MY OPINION. And the reason that I say this is because the reasons that people have given tend to be that David Icke will be ridiculed and that "it's all a circus". We know it's a bloody circus but the information getting out is what is important. Ridicule and fear of being ridiculed has to be ignored. Ridicule is a weapon that only works if we take notice of it. Let them ridicule, who cares. David Icke will still go ahead with it and so will we.

Also, I would say to David Icke, when mentioning the "ORWELLIAN" nightmare, I suggest he explains to the people what this phrase actually means because the majority are not gonna understand and it will simply go over their heads.

[celtic isis]

I PERSONALLY dont like the "Big Brother" slogan much either because people relate it to the tv program of the same name and it doesnt sound like a party with a serious message because of that. However, maybe we should not underestimate the British public. Also, all the negative talk (by just a handful of people) on here about David Icke standing in the election will prey on our minds and make us worry and this is PARTLY due to seeds of doubt being planted in our minds IN MY OPINION. And the reason that I say this is because the reasons that people have given tend to be that David Icke will be ridiculed and that "it's all a circus". We know it's a bloody circus but the information getting out is what is important. Ridicule and fear of being ridiculed has to be ignored. Ridicule is a weapon that only works if we take notice of it. Let them ridicule, who cares. David Icke will still go ahead with it and so will we.

Also, I would say to David Icke, when mentioning the "ORWELLIAN" nightmare, I suggest he explains to the people what this phrase actually means because the majority are not gonna understand and it will simply go over their heads.

great post steevo...and thank you for clearing some bits up, that's the way i was thinking also...feck, you know i don't give a toss about ridicule, i've put lyself up for it many times lol and i know icke doesn't give a toss about it either (though of course it still hurts him deep down, it's only human) but fair play to him hes got balls and it is only the ignorant who ridicule anyway, true enlightnment is when the actions or words of other people don't affect you, and icke is THERE :)

You're right, maybe we shouldn't underestimate the British people...if there are good comments at the sun's webpage at all then that's a good sign lol i've commented on there plenty of times and well the people were beyond ignorant those times. Maybe a few would like to email what is it that sharp is that the name of the "journalist" cough lol cause he's a right tosser,i emailed him once lol

Totally, if icke is careful and explains things well to the people, particularly as you said Orwellian Nightmare, no one can do it like icke once he gets going, he's calm and knows his stuff better than any other, and he's incredibly interesting too so the people will listen if given the opportunity...

well we know all about the circus, and it really is a circus anyway you're right, i mean look at the EU, it can't be called anything else but a circus!

well i wish mr icke well, i feel very positive lately, we've had and have some brilliant opportunities here, i guess it's best to go with the flow...higher forces are at work. :) and it's about fooking time and all!!!! leaving us guys for so long shovelling the shite!!! ALONE!!!

Just raptoralis makes good points too, anyway it'll go the way it goes, have to grab this opportunistic loop hole while it's there!!!

go for it mr icke :)

i'm very proud of you no matter what.

[private_eye]

David may well get on Question Time but it`s pointless as the propaganda channel does not air the programme live and it is edited.

It's not live, it goes on air an hour after filming finishes. But it is filmed live, as in there are no breaks, and there is absolutely no editing in my experience (I was on it once and I also commented). I don't think there is any grand dimbleby conspiracy.

Rather than pointless I think it would be monumental.

[private_eye]

i also agree with above comments about "Orwellian" - although I'm not even sure that the use of the term is a good idea. The same goes for constant analogies to computers and the Matrix. By comparing his theories to fiction, they remain equally as fictional. I think.

[celtic isis]

It's not live, it goes on air an hour after filming finishes. But it is filmed live, as in there are no breaks, and there is absolutely no editing in my experience (I was on it once and I also commented). I don't think there is any grand dimbleby conspiracy.

Rather than pointless I think it would be monumental.

hehe thank F for that! good ol david dimbleby :) I think it'd be brilliant for icke to go on there, MONUMENTAL is the word, and dimbleby would give icke a fair hearing.

good on you for commenting on there too! i always liked question time, where can it be seen by us over yonder sans BBC?

[beldazar]

Im guilty of lowering the tone of the thread. To be honest, after the post raptor wrote about I-am, I took it as an opportunity to attack him.
I havent really forgiven him for sending me the PM, it wasnt nice to open up something like that. He did say it wasnt for me but it still affected me.

Anyway, back on topic, I feel that David should be able to do what he feels is right and at the end of the day, if he was afraid of more ridicule, he certainly wouldnt have got this far. He would have jacked it in after the Wogan show Thankfully, he didnt :)

[raptorialis]

Im guilty of lowering the tone of the thread. To be honest, after the post raptor wrote about I-am, I took it as an opportunity to attack him.
I havent really forgiven him for sending me the PM, it wasnt nice to open up something like that. He did say it wasnt for me but it still affected me.

Anyway, back on topic, I feel that David should be able to do what he feels is right and at the end of the day, if he was afraid of more ridicule, he certainly wouldnt have got this far. He would have jacked it in after the Wogan show Thankfully, he didnt :)

Hope is a WORD that the illuminati use to cause people to do things the way they want.

If people want to demonise our world, then i can certainly help you there. It is just the strategies i offer to deal with it people don't like. They like to talk tough about the horror stories, but when it comes to actually taking action against them - they never want to back them up. They want to hide behind the sofa and watch a circus on Question time.

Sitting on the stage with the Raving Looney Cow party is what Big Brother is all about. Just like the TV show. It is just how they want the movement for freedom to be perceived. Its one big joke for all the public to not take seriously.

Cold ruthless analysis and free opinion should never be taken personally.

[celtic isis]

Im guilty of lowering the tone of the thread. To be honest, after the post raptor wrote about I-am, I took it as an opportunity to attack him.
I havent really forgiven him for sending me the PM, it wasnt nice to open up something like that. He did say it wasnt for me but it still affected me.

Anyway, back on topic, I feel that David should be able to do what he feels is right and at the end of the day, if he was afraid of more ridicule, he certainly wouldnt have got this far. He would have jacked it in after the Wogan show Thankfully, he didnt :)

hello there :)

don't worry about it beldazar, we've all been there, it gets heated on here at times :)

and depending on the state everyone is in emotionally things get out of hand quick. lol

we've all got good intentions, that's the main thing.

I guess we don't like to see mr icke get slated you know, cause it hurts us too...ah the people will have to face this truth soonr or later, the time has come for the human race to grow up, it can' keep running from the lies cause well, it's running out of space to run lol

ooh i'd love to see what the handbaggers think lol i bet their shitting themselves, they will have to admit that i was right... :D only joking, i'm not right anyway, haha and i don't care. that wouldn't be very enlightened of me to take satisfaction in what must be going through their pea brains right now lol

ah truth always wins in the end :)

keep the faith ;)

[duckingdafta]

Hope is a WORD that the illuminati use to cause people to do things the way they want.

If people want to demonise our world, then i can certainly help you there. It is just the strategies i offer to deal with it people don't like. They like to talk tough about the horror stories, but when it comes to actually taking action against them - they never want to back them up. They want to hide behind the sofa and watch a circus on Question time.

Sitting on the stage with the Raving Looney Cow party is what Big Brother is all about. Just like the TV show. It is just how they want the movement for freedom to be perceived. Its one big joke for all the public to not take seriously.

Cold ruthless analysis and free opinion should never be taken personally.

All I see is a bullshit artist think he knows what he's on about and at the same time, create suspicion into preying/stalking as raps do to victims. you're deliberately badgering people with words that either don't mean shite, or you make them mean the opposite or as you're doing now, saying they aren't your words, they belong to the illuminatini, who incidentally, you said didn't exist before and was a made up illusion... why the MODS will tell people off for defending themselves yet allow you to treat people in a manner unacceptable in ANY society I will never know, I suppose rules are made for those who need them and some others like yourself are seen as childish so don't need to be enforced

Cold ruthless analysis and free opinion should never be taken personally.<< what a total contradictory statement... how should it be taken? as though you never said it?.. not like anything was analysed as there are doubts to your capabilities to thinking 'out of the box' when you're stuck in a 'one track mind'... you see now you're telling people to ignore each other, along with your message of all HAVE to go through PAIN AND TORTURE to make decisions, you're a satanic masochist on a hunt.

[raptorialis]

All I see is a bullshit artist think he knows what he's on about and at the same time, create suspicion into preying/stalking as raps do to victims. you're deliberately badgering people with words that either don't mean shite, or you make them mean the opposite or as you're doing now, saying they aren't your words, they belong to the illuminatini, who incidentally, you said didn't exist before and was a made up illusion... why the MODS will tell people off for defending themselves yet allow you to treat people in a manner unacceptable in ANY society I will never know, I suppose rules are made for those who need them and some others like yourself are seen as childish so don't need to be enforced

<< what a total contradictory statement... how should it be taken? as though you never said it?.. not like anything was analysed as there are doubts to your capabilities to thinking 'out of the box' when you're stuck in a 'one track mind'... you see now you're telling people to ignore each other, along with your message of all HAVE to go through PAIN AND TORTURE to make decisions, you're a satanic masochist on a hunt.

I'm sorry duckingdafta, but i have'nt got a clue what you are talking about.

[swordofjustice]

Ho hum,

Well all this has been ever-so helpful to the cause, hasn't it?

Anyway, to get back to the reality of the situation (because in this dimension, there is one ...), and to the task at hand.

DAVID ICKE is taking part in this little act of "Bread and Circuses" that is called a bi-election. As in "nothing happens by election".

So, the game now is to help if we so wish to. The problem, as I stated on this topic all those pages ago, was that David is likely to end up getting no exposure that highlights the cause. Check out the BBC website coverage at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7472980.stm

See what's happened? They've found a candidate who WILL, it would seem, be standing in favour to INCREASE the 42 days of detention. And with a back story which gives a reasoning to her stand.

And David Icke? Listed as David Icke - Independent. The name of the darn Big Brother party byline ain't even there. So, even before the race has begun, the message is NOT even getting out in the subtitle for his campaign that he has selected.

Email the BBC - complain that he is not being listed under the 'Big Brother - The Big Picture' banner. That's our first objective - get that changed. Then, we have to knock down every daft comment, report, etc that we see on blogs, local newspaper and media websites and the like. Every internet article that does NOT mention David Icke is standing needs an email from as many of us as possible to ask WHY they haven't included him, and a brief summary IN YOUR OWN WORDS of what David Icke's standpoint is, and why he is standing - what information they should be telling their readers/ surfers/ listeners/ cannon fodder.

There. Action that anyone with cash to donate or not can take. But remember, LET'S BE CAREFUL OUT THERE ... credibility is at stake and every comment you make will in some respects be taken as being an ambassador for the cause.

Be polite. Don't swear. Don't call them Illuminati scum and the like.

So come on, if you're really interested in turning around this fascist state that is now the UK, do something constructive that will do the trick. I am - are you?

[duckingdafta]

I'm sorry duckingdafta, but i have'nt got a clue what you are talking about.

funny how that happens at ones convenience,

Email the BBC - complain that he is not being listed under the 'Big Brother - The Big Picture' banner.
OK, Done that and awaiting any replies.. just a quickie saying I hope they are going to recognize they are the BBC and report on all public matters of importance and David Icke is speaking on behalf of many of us public..I forwarded my BBC licence number to show I will not re-new it if I feel in any way they have acted biased and unfairly as this would mean I haven't had the service promised... {a bit cheeky I know as I'm on a budget plan and was forced to get one in the first place}

[raptorialis]

Ho hum,

Well all this has been ever-so helpful to the cause, hasn't it?

Anyway, to get back to the reality of the situation (because in this dimension, there is one ...), and to the task at hand.

DAVID ICKE is taking part in this little act of "Bread and Circuses" that is called a bi-election. As in "nothing happens by election".

So, the game now is to help if we so wish to. The problem, as I stated on this topic all those pages ago, was that David is likely to end up getting no exposure that highlights the cause. Check out the BBC website coverage at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7472980.stm

See what's happened? They've found a candidate who WILL, it would seem, be standing in favour to INCREASE the 42 days of detention. And with a back story which gives a reasoning to her stand.

And David Icke? Listed as David Icke - Independent. The name of the darn Big Brother party byline ain't even there. So, even before the race has begun, the message is NOT even getting out in the subtitle for his campaign that he has selected.

Email the BBC - complain that he is not being listed under the 'Big Brother - The Big Picture' banner. That's our first objective - get that changed. Then, we have to knock down every daft comment, report, etc that we see on blogs, local newspaper and media websites and the like. Every internet article that does NOT mention David Icke is standing needs an email from as many of us as possible to ask WHY they haven't included him, and a brief summary IN YOUR OWN WORDS of what David Icke's standpoint is, and why he is standing - what information they should be telling their readers/ surfers/ listeners/ cannon fodder.

There. Action that anyone with cash to donate or not can take. But remember, LET'S BE CAREFUL OUT THERE ... credibility is at stake and every comment you make will in some respects be taken as being an ambassador for the cause.

Be polite. Don't swear. Don't call them Illuminati scum and the like.

So come on, if you're really interested in turning around this fascist state that is now the UK, do something constructive that will do the trick. I am - are you?

I agree. It needs to be a sustained effort. But not in the name of a partially discredited celebrity. But in the name of freedom and justice. I am not campaigning on a ticket where as soon as you begin to win people round, they turn around and say. "Well you believe that the Queen is a lizard don't you". I am not hauling that ball and chain around.

This isn't about the founder of this movement. This is about dissolving away the misery that many in this world seem to think is essential to modern life.

[celtic isis]

I agree. It needs to be a sustained effort. But not in the name of a partially discredited celebrity. But in the name of freedom and justice. I am not campaigning on a ticket where as soon as you begin to win people round, they turn around and say. "Well you believe that the Queen is a lizard don't you". I am not hauling that ball and chain around.

This isn't about the founder of this movement. This is about dissolving away the misery that many in this world seem to think is essential to modern life.


well said, i really like that last bit.

will get on to emailing the feckin bbc as well *asap.

[lizzy]

Could we arrange a late entry by the Reptilian Party do you think?

If the MSM pull their usual stunts, we already have.........;)

but any exposure to the NWO suits me.:) I have to believe he knows what he's doing.:confused:

[swordofjustice]

I agree. It needs to be a sustained effort. But not in the name of a partially discredited celebrity. But in the name of freedom and justice. I am not campaigning on a ticket where as soon as you begin to win people round, they turn around and say. "Well you believe that the Queen is a lizard don't you". I am not hauling that ball and chain around.

This isn't about the founder of this movement. This is about dissolving away the misery that many in this world seem to think is essential to modern life.

As I said, this is action you can take if that is your wish to do so.

I am trying to see if any of what I said was about turning this into some sort of cult of celebrity. If that vibe was picked up somehow, let me make my view on this quite clear: This is NOT about David Icke, it is about the one issue that caused this by-election in the first place: The Big Brother state.

So, when anyone corners a person who has decided to campaign for the message, via David Icke's participation in this by-election, then the answer to questions about Queens and Lizards is simple: "This campaign is about one thing that has been proved to be true - that we here in the UK have been hijacked by fascists, keen to take away every strand of our liberty. And 42 days is just the tip of a very large iceberg which has been creeping up on us year upon year".

Look, I think we all understand that you disagree with this way of getting the message across. BUT, as this is the DAVID ICKE forum, we are here to help, if we so wish to.

Perhaps it's time, on another thread, for you to suggest OTHER ways that you think would achieve the objectives of this campaign? We're all prepared to listen, but the time now is for constructive action, along whatever paths we think can do the trick for this particular scheme. Remember, the title of this thread is "Icke to stand for Parliament" - I think we can take the question mark away now!

This thread should morph into a Think-Tank-HQ for those who want (and can give) inspiration in how to help this particular attempt to expose the New World Order and their dastardly do-badding.

Positive waves, dude. Donald Sutherland in "Kelly's Heroes" comes to mind as inspiration. :cool:

I am fairly new to this forum (as you can see from my "Junior Member" tag) - I went to Brixton Academy the other week to see Mr Icke, and realised that there is so much positive energy amongst that audience that ANYTHING is possible if we apply ourselves to it.

My earlier posts showed I could see that this bi-election could turn into a huge non-event. And then I remembered how I got to where I am in my life now: against what, at the time, was my better judgement about 18 months ago I watched David Icke's DVD set from Brixton 2003. This guy, to my surprise, was NOT a nutter but talked a great deal of sense. The more I did my own investigations and research, the more I realised he was on to something.

As he always says, don't accept everything on his viewpoint - do your own research, throw out what doesn't fit with your own world view. I certainly find quite a few of the dots on the puzzle a stretch, to say the least, but I now have a more open mind about so much that I think I owe some sort of payback to the man already.

And this may be the beginning of that quest ... and just imagine if each one of us could influence just three people each in the next month enough to do their own research and discover the truth.

This by-election could be the vehicle for that ....

[agelnessdotcom]

We must all spread the word in order not to give ourselves up to a bunch of derailed reptilians, because that's what we're ultimately talking about here, believe it or not! If the vampires can only survive on your blood and you die - does that mean you should give it to them? Well, that's what's happening! And again - TALKING ABOUT IT DIFFUSES THE ENERGY BEHIND IT ALL! TALK! SPREAD THE WORD! Thank you David! Be well, Per L

[steevo]

As I said, this is action you can take if that is your wish to do so.

I am trying to see if any of what I said was about turning this into some sort of cult of celebrity. If that vibe was picked up somehow, let me make my view on this quite clear: This is NOT about David Icke, it is about the one issue that caused this by-election in the first place: The Big Brother state.

So, when anyone corners a person who has decided to campaign for the message, via David Icke's participation in this by-election, then the answer to questions about Queens and Lizards is simple: "This campaign is about one thing that has been proved to be true - that we here in the UK have been hijacked by fascists, keen to take away every strand of our liberty. And 42 days is just the tip of a very large iceberg which has been creeping up on us year upon year".

Look, I think we all understand that you disagree with this way of getting the message across. BUT, as this is the DAVID ICKE forum, we are here to help, if we so wish to.

Perhaps it's time, on another thread, for you to suggest OTHER ways that you think would achieve the objectives of this campaign? We're all prepared to listen, but the time now is for constructive action, along whatever paths we think can do the trick for this particular scheme. Remember, the title of this thread is "Icke to stand for Parliament" - I think we can take the question mark away now!

This thread should morph into a Think-Tank-HQ for those who want (and can give) inspiration in how to help this particular attempt to expose the New World Order and their dastardly do-badding.

Positive waves, dude. Donald Sutherland in "Kelly's Heroes" comes to mind as inspiration. :cool:

I am fairly new to this forum (as you can see from my "Junior Member" tag) - I went to Brixton Academy the other week to see Mr Icke, and realised that there is so much positive energy amongst that audience that ANYTHING is possible if we apply ourselves to it.

My earlier posts showed I could see that this bi-election could turn into a huge non-event. And then I remembered how I got to where I am in my life now: against what, at the time, was my better judgement about 18 months ago I watched David Icke's DVD set from Brixton 2003. This guy, to my surprise, was NOT a nutter but talked a great deal of sense. The more I did my own investigations and research, the more I realised he was on to something.

As he always says, don't accept everything on his viewpoint - do your own research, throw out what doesn't fit with your own world view. I certainly find quite a few of the dots on the puzzle a stretch, to say the least, but I now have a more open mind about so much that I think I owe some sort of payback to the man already.

And this may be the beginning of that quest ... and just imagine if each one of us could influence just three people each in the next month enough to do their own research and discover the truth.

This by-election could be the vehicle for that ....

That is an excellent and inspiring post. Thanks swordofjustice :)

[illuminatiman]

That is an excellent and inspiring post. Thanks swordofjustice :)

I think this post sums it up nicely, we all have to stand up and be counted. i love the way the media is making David out be eccentric:rolleyes: and using the reppy theory against him yawn! no wonder the media in this country isnt worth a bean.

Lets stick it to um!!! :D

[kweli]

No I don't want you to tell us what say. I found it strange that you found it strange that we had not got involved in this debate.

I Probably could have worded it a bit differently. I don't see the point of arguing and attacking people who have a differing opinion.

It continually amazes me why people on this forum have to be so confrontational and aggressive. Discuss, debate all you like but why people feel the need to belittle those who disagree with their point of view and I am not singling out anybody here, amazes the hell out of me. This was your comment



and if you think about it, that is what I am saying too. This is the reason I rarely contribute to any threads any more. There is always someone going on the attack and quite frankly, I just do not resonate with these energy draining tactics.


I totally agree; I've learnt that - the hard way. Although I do think sometimes folk mistake passion for aggression with the written word.

Anyways... I've expressed my views, I shall derail the thread no longer. I wish you well.

[celtic isis]

My earlier posts showed I could see that this bi-election could turn into a huge non-event. And then I remembered how I got to where I am in my life now: against what, at the time, was my better judgement about 18 months ago I watched David Icke's DVD set from Brixton 2003. This guy, to my surprise, was NOT a nutter but talked a great deal of sense. The more I did my own investigations and research, the more I realised he was on to something.

As he always says, don't accept everything on his viewpoint - do your own research, throw out what doesn't fit with your own world view. I certainly find quite a few of the dots on the puzzle a stretch, to say the least, but I now have a more open mind about so much that I think I owe some sort of payback to the man already.

And this may be the beginning of that quest ... and just imagine if each one of us could influence just three people each in the next month enough to do their own research and discover the truth.

This by-election could be the vehicle for that ....

fair play to you swordofjustice :)

it's tough going passing this stuff on, i know most of us here have been trying to pass this info on to others for many years now, suffering through our own ridicule and grief in the process from friends, family and strangers, for me since the beginning of 2006...some have been doing it for 10 years! But now we seem to be all getting somewhere, and the forces are on our side. :)

It's possible when we do it together!

I just hope this (the events of the last few weeks) isn't some kind of false freedom cracker being thrown to us by the PTB, if it is then F u lol, we'll still win in the end!

[hagbard_celine]

Blimey Charlie's right!!! :eek:

Go David....do what you feel is right!!! :D

I'd always advise David do do what he believes is right. But I'm not sure he's doing the right thing. Standing in an election gives credibility to a system that has none in my view. I'm not sure that it's capable of generating any of the favourable publicity David is hoping for.

Politics is like heroin: Everyone goes into it thinking they can control it... until it controls you. I wouldn't like to see David's good work side-tracked down a cul-de-sac.

[limelady]

I'd always advise David do do what he believes is right. But I'm not sure he's doing the right thing. Standing in an election gives credibility to a system that has none in my view. I'm not sure that it's capable of generating any of the favourable publicity David is hoping for.

Politics is like heroin: Everyone goes into it thinking they can control it... until it controls you. I wouldn't like to see David's good work side-tracked down a cul-de-sac.

Yes, you may be right, and personally I am very daunted by the mere thought of what David is hoping to achieve by all this. It will require a huge amount of his own 'spiritual' energy to drive this thing along.

I guess we just need to accept that what will be will be from here on, as David follows his intuitive prompts, and I'm sure he thought deeply about all this before taking the plunge, and is therefore well aware of all the possible outcomes himself.

Naturally I wish David the very best, and I'll keep focusing on a favourable outcome from this unexpected change of course he has decided to take at this time. :D

[luke1721]

I'd always advise David do do what he believes is right. But I'm not sure he's doing the right thing. Standing in an election gives credibility to a system that has none in my view. I'm not sure that it's capable of generating any of the favourable publicity David is hoping for.

Politics is like heroin: Everyone goes into it thinking they can control it... until it controls you. I wouldn't like to see David's good work side-tracked down a cul-de-sac.

I have followed this thread with interest, in my opinion David is right to contest that seat and make a stance. People need to wake up, we have seen this happening before our very eyes. The pessimist have quoted Icke's first Wogan apperance and said that is reason enough for not standing. Well I want to bring everyone's attention to David's second appearance on Wogan, where not only did he make Wogan look stupid, but just listen to the reaction of the sheeple in the audience!!!

David icke on Wogan Now and then. - YouTube

The time is now ripe for Action I am prepared to break the Law to expose the evil in our midst. I truly resent paying taxes that are then used to pay for bombs that are dropped on innocent people in Iraq and elsewhere.
I will help David in anyway I can, people are now waking up here in the UK. They can see and understand the evil system and where it is heading.
Tell the people they are being taxed to death while those who think they are masters give themselves more money, and people will listen.
We know they are lying and that is what we should be playing on for:

``The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.''
-Edmund Burke 1729-1797

[john white]

It looks like "they" have found themselves a candidate to back 42 detention

Its because of rapists

Everyone knows that once you arrest someone on suspicion of Rape, you need at least 42 days without charging them or accusing them of anything whilst denying them any access to legal support from or contact with the outside world in order to make that stick. Evidence cant be cooked up overnight you know, and has nothing to do with "probable cause" before actually nicking someone in the first place. Really, 42 day detention is all about Rapists, not Terrorists

Dont believe me?

Check this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7472980.stm

Rape campaigner by-election bid

Rape law campaigner Jill Saward says she is considering standing against David Davis - the Tory MP whose resignation sparked a by-election.

Ms Saward was raped at her Ealing vicarage home in 1986. Her father, then vicar of Ealing, and boyfriend were badly hurt in the attack by burglars.

Ms Saward, who has waived her right to anonymity, accused Mr Davis of having nothing to say about sexual violence.

He quit his Haltemprice and Howden seat to stand up for civil liberties.

The 59-year-old ex-SAS man said he hoped the move would begin a debate on Labour's 42-day terror detention limit.

But Ms Saward said in an article on her website that victims of sexual crime should come before suspected terrorists.

She also argues that the national DNA database should be extended rather than scrapped.

"Mr Davis thinks that by forcing a by-election he is standing up for British justice," she said.

"In reality he is attempting to strike a hammer blow through the very tools the police need to keep us safe.

"When a shadow home secretary says nothing at all about such an important issue as sexual violence which affects thousands of people each year; and then resigns over an issue of limited pre-charge detention which may not affect anybody at all - then somebody's got their priorities wrong and somebody needs to get the issue of rape onto the agenda."

Nominations to close

Ms Saward's identity and address are protected under the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act, but she has waived anonymity rights in regards to her name, but not her address.

She says she will announce whether she will stand on Thursday, before nominations close at 1600 BST.

The by-election is due to be held on 10 July. Labour and the Liberal Democrats have decided not to stand against him.

Doesnt it just go to show who these laws are really designed for?

ANYONE AND EVERYONE

[swordofjustice]

Yes, this was the BBC page I mentioned back on comment 288 of this thread.

So, folks, to again try to get some constructive positive thinking on this - this BBC article now gives you an idea of what they'll be coming at us with in terms of arguments to keep and even enhance 42 days detention, DNA databanks and so on. I'll have a muse on how one actually defeats such arguments in 20 words or less... any ideas?

[largejack]

I'm trying to suppress my excitement, as this campaign could potentially be a remarkable event in human history, and given the right platform, and David is always choosy over these things, I'm sure he won't fail to disappoint. I've been to brixton in 2006 to see him and the amount of energy he released there could be magnified infinitum, if (and that's a big 'if') people are ready to receive it. Given the opportunity he will steal the show. It's risky but I think he feels this is the time to take the leap, I only hope I can find a way to get to Hull.:)

[beldazar]

Same here Largejack, especially after reading on another thread a piece sky news had written about it :)

[frankanne]

Yes, this was the BBC page I mentioned back on comment 288 of this thread.

So, folks, to again try to get some constructive positive thinking on this - this BBC article now gives you an idea of what they'll be coming at us with in terms of arguments to keep and even enhance 42 days detention, DNA databanks and so on. I'll have a muse on how one actually defeats such arguments in 20 words or less... any ideas?

Something along the lines

It's bad enough accusing and innocent man of rape but to lock him up for 42 days?

If he's guilty lock him up for 42 YEARS!

[john white]

Yes, this was the BBC page I mentioned back on comment 288 of this thread.

So, folks, to again try to get some constructive positive thinking on this - this BBC article now gives you an idea of what they'll be coming at us with in terms of arguments to keep and even enhance 42 days detention, DNA databanks and so on. I'll have a muse on how one actually defeats such arguments in 20 words or less... any ideas?

Well firstly: shes standing!

Straight off her website:

http://www.saward.org/

STOP PRESS: 1430Hrs, Thursday 26th June

Well, it's now official. Or rather it will be at 4.00pm this afternoon when the Acting Returning Officer makes his declaration about the final list of candidates. I have secured my nomination for the by-election. Now the hard work begins. A long drive home followed by a weekend of rest, reflection, prayers and planning await prior to a full campaign launch next week. Thanks for your support so far and please keep it up!



So there definately is a pro 42 days campainger standing

Its an unexpected play for sure, but ultimately a useful one becuase it shows that these laws are not safe and can be used against anyone if people thinking like Jill Saward have their way

Look at how many rape trials fall apart when it becomes obvious people have become falsely accused! But what couldnt someone be forced into confessing when there are 42 days to work on them? And thats 42 days where there is no need to look for another suspect AND no need to produce any evidence against them: 42 days for the trail to grow cold and no replacement for proper policework in the first place

Obviously the potential for abuse is huge, but equally the reality that this would do nothing whatsoever to improve conviction rates for Rape

However, what we have here is the good old emotional blackmail card: its playing on the publics sympathies to even think about confronting the stance of a Rape campaigner just as its appealing to the lowest denominator knee jerk reaction to stand on a "Sod yer rights if it bangs up rapists" ticket

[john white]

And here is Jill Saward's "pro" argument:

“True Liberty”
Victims of sexual crime should come before suspected terrorists
by Jill Saward, 24th June 2008

The Tories are not renowned for wasting public money. So it is something of a surprise that a leading Conservative Member of Parliament should resign his seat and force a by-election at a cost of tens of thousands of pounds just so he can have a debate about an issue which the House of Commons has already debated and decided upon.

Why would anybody want to stand as a Member of Parliament if they are not prepared to accept the will of parliament when it makes a decision? So David Davis’ actions in causing a by-election in Haltemprice and Howden are unusual, to say the least.

But they are also deeply, deeply disturbing. Because David Davis isn’t only concerned about the possibility that a small number of suspected terrorists may be detained for up to 42 hours, with safeguards, while the police are allowed to investigate - he’s also concerned about great swathes of other public protection measures.

Anybody who has seen television programmes showing footage obtained by Closed Circuit Television Cameras will be concerned that what was introduced for public safety is being abused. Safeguards can, and must, be put into place to ensure that CCTV is used solely for what it was intended - crime prevention and detection.

But David Davis wants to abolish it. It is part of what he calls a “long list of repressive measures” introduced over the last decade.

Another “erosion of British liberty” is the national DNA database. According to David Davis, neither this, nor the other security measures he now fights against, will make us safer. In fact, he describes it as “a myth to believe that we can defend our security by sacrificing our fundamental freedoms.”

David Davis appears to be very concerned about “British liberty.” But what does it mean? I want men and women - including children - to be at liberty to walk the streets of our towns and cities without fear of violence in general - and sexual violence in particular; and to feel safe in their own homes and workplaces.

And part of that “British liberty” is to expect the law enforcement agencies to use every tool at their disposal to catch the people responsible for the attack - and to never give up.

The National DNA Database has done just that. There have been numerous occasions when rapists have been convicted years after the attack - simply because, when the trail and investigation had gone cold, the DNA profile of the attacker had been retained. And when the rapist had been arrested years later, for something completely unrelated - the routine DNA test had provided a match.

Surely this is a good thing? This ensures our freedom, and our liberty. But Mr Davis wants to do away with it. If anything we should be expanding the national DNA database so that everybody’s DNA is on it.

DNA can rule people out of investigations as well as pointing the finger.

And CCTV - while not perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, is a valuable tool in the fight against crime. Just about every Magistrates and Crown Court in the country is now equipped to view CCTV footage. How many people have been convicted of all sorts of crimes thanks to the availability of CCTV?

Mr Davis thinks that by forcing a by election he is standing up for British Justice. In reality he is attempting to strike a hammer blow through the very tools the police need to keep us safe.

He claims that his decision to force a costly and meaningless by-election was driven by the ”draconian infringement of the citizen’s fundamental freedom not to be held in police detention for prolonged periods without being informed of the charges against him” - he calls this a “watershed in the erosion of British liberty.”

But in reality, this new law, if it completes its Parliamentary passage, would apply to a very, very few individuals, if any at all. There are so many safeguards and provisos built into it that you have to wonder whether anybody will ever be affected by it.

And yet at the same time, the issue of rape and sexual violence is something that affects the freedoms and liberties of thousands upon thousands of people - mainly women - each year. So you would assume that as Shadow Home Secretary, David Davis would have had something to say on the subject.

You’d be wrong!

A search on the Parliamentary website shows that David Davis only contribution in the House on rape is to ask four written questions about statistics.

So, maybe he used these statistics in campaigns elsewhere?

Again, you’d be wrong!

A search on the Conservative Party’s website produces only two results for “rape” (three if you count a “webcameron” version and a text version of the same item as separate). And David Davis, Shadow Home Secretary, has nothing to say on either of them.

One of the references is the interim report of the police task force. And apart from claiming that rape is not included in the British Crime Survey, contains nothing by way of recommendations to reduce the number of rapes or to increase the number of convictions.

The other mention is a speech by David Cameron in which he cites statistics from the same British Crime Survey (the one that the Conservatives say doesn’t include rapes) to state that “one in twenty adult women in the UK have been the victim of a rape.”

Apart from contradicting his own party’s report on police reform, David Cameron’s speech was full of warm words and helpful sympathy - but very little in the way of concrete action or delivery.

Now, here’s a little quandary.

David Davis wants to debate “British Liberties” on the basis of the 42 day pre-charge detention, national DNA database and the use of CCTV. But neither Labour nor the Lib Dems want to debate these issues through a phoney by-election.

And why should they? The House of Commons is the place MPs debate issues such as this.

But why should David Davis be allowed to set the terms of the phoney debate? We need a challenger to David Davis who will debate the issue of sexual crime and to force the issue onto the political agenda.

I’m not usually supportive of single issue candidates. I’m not sure what difference they can make. But David Davis wants a debate - so let him have one!

We need somebody to stand in the by election who will champion the rights of women and men not to have their bodies violated.

We need somebody to stand in the by election who will force MPs and politicians of all parties to pay serious attention to this issue.

And we need somebody to stand in this by election who will say the national DNA database and CCTV are good things - just ask those victims who have seen their attacker jailed for proof.

I’m not a politician. And I’m not normally party politically motivated or aligned to any political party. But when a shadow home secretary says nothing at all about such an important issue as sexual violence which affects thousands of people each year; and then resigns over an issue of limited pre-charge detention which may not affect anybody at all - then somebody’s got their priorities wrong and somebody needs to get the issue of rape onto the agenda.

There are just two days to go before nominations close in the Haltemprice and Howden by election. I’ve yet to decide whether my name will appear on the ballot paper.

But I’m considering it.

Let Jill know what you think - email jill@saward.org and let her know whether you would support her standing in the Haltemprice and Howden by-election

[ozlo]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7471940.stm

Click on the Q & A tab and read what the goverment has to say.

[the itinerant shrubber]

I'm hoping that he's just doing this to create a platfrom for his views as opposed to a serious attempt to get into politics which would make him a bit of a hypocrite.

[steevo]

I'm hoping that he's just doing this to create a platfrom for his views as opposed to a serious attempt to get into politics which would make him a bit of a hypocrite.

Hi Shrubber. Go to http://www.davidicke.com and you can read David Ickes comments on it :)

[the itinerant shrubber]

Hi Shrubber. Go to http://www.davidicke.com and you can read David Ickes comments on it :)

OK,cheers for that. I was getting worried there. Nice one David.

[noobcybot]

I thought you guys might be interested in the "article" in the ZOG machine Hull daily mail ( please do not infer racist undertones in this, but simply the HDM is and always has been owned by Jewish people who protect their own interests, terrible mind numbing publication that it is, many people in Hull have this view ). Funnily enough it is in the tiny "in brief" section which is massivley overshadowed by a hugh (strangely big to be fair, I know how much it costs to advertise with HDM and it would cost a lot) EYG advert and also a massive 'PERVERTED NEO-NAZI JAILED FOR 10 YEARS" headline.
And so the hughley biased and uninformed article reads:-

"Conspiracy theorist David Icke claims he will stand against David Davis in the forthcoming by-election in Haltemprice and Howden.
Mr Icke 55, who was famously ridiculed on Terry Wogan's televison chat show after claiming he was the son of God claims running in the by-election
'is a chance to highlight the depth of the rapidly emerging - and global - big
brother state.'
The former footballer says he has no intention of winning. He even claims he wants Davis to win and agrees with his stance on the big brother state."
Blah Blah fu$king blah and so on...

Whats with a this "claims" bull?
AND HOW THE HELL IS THIS FOR SYNCHRONICITY!!! I WAS JUST IN THE SAME RESTAURANT AS DAVID DAVIS!!!
Kind of freaked me out that did considering I wrote a post about him only hours previous. I couldant be bothered to talk to him, self-important douch that he is, shouting down his mobile phone like no one else existed.

[duckingdafta]

well spotted noobcybot, I live near the area and never saw it...everything is about the goole nutjob.. I had a few words within my local area and mates in goole and managed to talk them into actually voting this time in July. (well it's 5 more than I knew of before..it's a start)..
If these people had bothered to hear David on the radio Tuesday night they'd have heard it from his own mouth exactly what he wants.

[swordofjustice]

Mmm, interesting - on the BBC page:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7476255.stm

You will see there are 26 CANDIDATES!

So, as I suspected, that's a hell of a lot of static to get through to get any messages over to the media, and consequently the masses.

And DAVID ICKE is now listed no longer as INDEPENDENT but NO PARTY LISTED.

Fascinating!

Cue references to THE PRISONER: "I am not a party member, I am a free man!

:cool:


Alex

[ozlo]

After a brief mention of the by election on 10 o'clock news there was the fastest scrolling of names in tv history. And where have all these other candidates came from? I reckon swordofjustice is right no way the message is going to get through all that lot.

[steevo]

I dont think that it matters too much about David Icke not being mentioned much (if at all) on the mainstream media. I dont know how the soap boxing thing works really but if alot of people in that constituency get to hear what he says then the whole of that area would potentionally awaken very quickly like a snowball effect.

[ozlo]

steevo you are right as long as the message gets out that is the main thing. The way the media handles this will probably just give more confirmation of what is really going on.

[noobcybot]

Right on Duck my man, I will try to convince as many as possible.

[luke1721]

steevo you are right as long as the message gets out that is the main thing. The way the media handles this will probably just give more confirmation of what is really going on.

The message will get through and that is where we the Awakened ones come in.
It needs people like us to help David get the message out. We need to get up there and knock on Doors; canvassing for votes. We have to do what the Controllers do and that is play the card called Fear. People do fear the coming microchip they see what is going on all they need is for someone articulate to elucidate what is exactly going on. I will be heading up to Hull and I will hopefully be able to introduce myself to David at the hotel where he is giving a free talk in an open forum.
I will have a couple of others in the car but I am more than happy to take a couple more from The North London Area!!!

[swordofjustice]

Okay, another possible way we can help (as obviously the BBC and others won't add the "Big Brother - The Big Picture" byline to Mr Icke's candidacy...).

You may have seen the "Latest News" section on this website, which now includes David Icke's personal letter to David Davis inviting him to a debate on the issues surrounding the Davis call for this by-election - the Big Brother state.

When Mr Davis politely declines the invitation (as he surely will) - then we have a right to contact every media outlet we can think of - internet news pages, radio and TV stations (get on some phone-ins!), local and national newspapers, to note in our own words the following:

DAVID DAVIS REFUSES TO DEBATE THE BIG BROTHER STATE IN AN OPEN FORUM! Freedom campaigner David Icke has received a rebuttal to his invitation to David Davis to join in an open debate on the very issues that caused David Davis to call this by-election in the first place. Despite Icke offering Davis the chance to participate in such a debate, at a time and place that Davis himself could choose, Davis has chosen to walk away from such an open forum and exchange of ideas. This can only mean that Davis is not in fact serious in his calling of this by-election, and must therefore have his own reasons and agenda for having done so.

Like I said, Davis hasn't declined yet, and part of me wonders if Davis will even bother to reply, but we can give it a few days and see.

Get your list of email addresses to post to prepared - and what you are going to email to them. Line up your call sheets of local and national press, radio and TV. Be ready for when you hear there has been a negative response.

And then cause a hurricane of disdain as we call out David Davis for refusing to debate the issues.

Together we can make a difference ... but we have to break the wall of silence to get the message through.

[wilster200]

If Dave had a rosette that squirted water, he could wake loads of people up!

[largejack]

Davis can't refuse Icke's offer in my opinion if he wants a full debate on this issue. In my opinion Icke has played a blinder, this situation could never have been envisioned, but these are exciting times???

Let's give DD time, I think he will respond positively.

[ryethorpe]

I've paid my £25 to the David Icke Election Fund but I still think this is a cracking song, sampled on the Toady Radio 4 (U.K.) programme today


Billy Ruffian- Most Unlikely Civil Liberties Defender Of All - YouTube

and the lack of comments surprises me.

[the infinite one]

Hi everyone

I'm helping out with Icke's election in Hull.

I need everyone's help to contact the local radio and press for Hull via email or phone and just come from the perspective that your new to all this i.e. not coming from the perspective that you have been into icke's information.

You can say something like "I've just heard this guy on Kerrang radio and think he's really onto something, alot of what he says makes sense to me and the way the world is moving..."

David knows the the mainstream press wont look into, they are shitting themselves.

You can contact the following radio stations:-

BBC Radio Humberside / Hull: http://www.bbc.co.uk/humber/local_radio
Kerrang Radio: http://www.kerrangradio.co.uk
Viking Radio Hull: http://www.vikingfm.co.uk
Hull Daily Mail: http://www.mediauk.com/newspapers/13753/hull-daily-mail
This is Hull: http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/

We need everyone's support to get the information out and plant the seeds, the more people who make contact the better the chance the press will pick up on this.

Please mention the Public meeting which is going to be held on Sun 6th July.

If you have any questions, please let me know, I'm working my ass off getting the flyers ready etc...

Together we ARE the change! :)


Regards,

Narinder

[duckingdafta]

Hi everyone

I'm helping out with Icke's election in Hull.
You can contact the following radio stations:-

BBC Radio Humberside / Hull: http://www.bbc.co.uk/humber/local_radio
Kerrang Radio: http://www.kerrangradio.co.uk
Viking Radio Hull: http://www.vikingfm.co.uk
Hull Daily Mail: http://www.mediauk.com/newspapers/13753/hull-daily-mail
This is Hull: http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/
Regards,

Narinder

The irony is at the moment Kerrang, the one not in the area, has given most support {helps with TNB being a friend & fan}. would help a lot if these DJ's like Nick contacted his old work buddies from Yorkshire to get some message across further north. You can't just tell people in Hull something, you have to repeat it into them and show them why, we're quite slow up here!.:D

[hirschfelder]

Mainstream media coverage for Icke today includes a piece in the Times entitled, "Reptilians Beware - David Icke is Back!" and the Mirror refer to him as a "conspiracy crackpot"

[hagbard_celine]

Yes, you may be right, and personally I am very daunted by the mere thought of what David is hoping to achieve by all this. It will require a huge amount of his own 'spiritual' energy to drive this thing along.

I guess we just need to accept that what will be will be from here on, as David follows his intuitive prompts, and I'm sure he thought deeply about all this before taking the plunge, and is therefore well aware of all the possible outcomes himself.

Naturally I wish David the very best, and I'll keep focusing on a favourable outcome from this unexpected change of course he has decided to take at this time. :D


Absolutely! :)I'll be wishing him good luck and keep positive energy shining on him. It will soon be all over and at the very worst, he'll simply have wasted a week or two. This is not a big committment on his part.

[hagbard_celine]

Hi everyone

I'm helping out with Icke's election in Hull.

I need everyone's help to contact the local radio and press for Hull via email or phone and just come from the perspective that your new to all this i.e. not coming from the perspective that you have been into icke's information.

You can say something like "I've just heard this guy on Kerrang radio and think he's really onto something, alot of what he says makes sense to me and the way the world is moving..."

David knows the the mainstream press wont look into, they are shitting themselves.

You can contact the following radio stations:-

BBC Radio Humberside / Hull: http://www.bbc.co.uk/humber/local_radio
Kerrang Radio: http://www.kerrangradio.co.uk
Viking Radio Hull: http://www.vikingfm.co.uk
Hull Daily Mail: http://www.mediauk.com/newspapers/13753/hull-daily-mail
This is Hull: http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/

We need everyone's support to get the information out and plant the seeds, the more people who make contact the better the chance the press will pick up on this.

Please mention the Public meeting which is going to be held on Sun 6th July.

If you have any questions, please let me know, I'm working my ass off getting the flyers ready etc...

Together we ARE the change! :)


Regards,

Narinder

It's good to see the media involved in this. I was afraid that it would just be swept over like so many other political stories. I just hope the main parties won't steal all the limelight. The best thing that could happen would be another upset like Henley, with the underdogs doing better than one or more of the mainstream parties. That would bring in reporters and therefore give David more prominence.

[raptorialis]

Attack the roots and the tree dies.

Where are the roots of the new world order debacle?

Where should the light be shone and the villains exposed?

Who is the real target for this rage?

Keep dreaming - or get real?

[beldazar]

Way to go the infinite one, much respect to you!

Who cares if the mirror calls Icke a crackpot! I happen to believe in the reptilian theory myself anyway! Theres lots of us :D

[2013]

What if for some reason there is a huge majority of the vote for icke? what then , how would the press and Parliament respond if that happened and he refused the seat? Or would he be tempted to say i will not pledge allegiance but give me a say in the reptile house just to stir things up a bit .Awakening is one thing the political system another and I'm not here to debate that , but if we think that we cant change it then why are we here at all ?:D

[hagbard_celine]

What if for some reason there is a huge majority of the vote for icke? what then , how would the press and Parliament respond if that happened and he refused the seat? Or would he be tempted to say i will not pledge allegiance but give me a say in the reptile house just to stir things up a bit .Awakening is one thing the political system another and I'm not here to debate that , but if we think that we cant change it then why are we here at all ?:D

Wouldn't it be funny if he did win!:D:eek: Of course then all he has to do is resign and they'll hold another by-election.

[hirschfelder]

Wouldn't it be funny if he did win!:D:eek: Of course then all he has to do is resign and they'll hold another by-election.

I imagine if he did take his seat it would sound something like NOTICE

Apologies for the crap impression :o

[raptorialis]

This may prove interesting.

http://www.rem1.org/local_voices/summer2000/education/apathy.htm/

[curly]

I noticed that the lady who was the victim in the horrendous ealing vicarage rape case is standing also.Jill saward says she is standing against davis because of his opposition to the dna database and cctv,she wants the police to have all the tools possible at their disposal to capture criminals.Now we all feel for this woman but i think ickey better get ready for coming across her this looks like its going to get very dirty.

[swordofjustice]

I noticed that the lady who was the victim in the horrendous ealing vicarage rape case is standing also.Jill saward says she is standing against davis because of his opposition to the dna database and cctv,she wants the police to have all the tools possible at their disposal to capture criminals.Now we all feel for this woman but i think ickey better get ready for coming across her this looks like its going to get very dirty.

Yes, this was mentioned earlier in this thread - those checking these things will note I asked if anyone could suggest a way to defuse Ms Saward's angle with some soundbites of wisdom which would negate her (likely) impact.

The secret to solving this came from my wife's initial reaction: "What has being raped got to do with terrorism suspects? Very little unless you were raped by a member of Al Qaeda".

Obviously, Ms Saward has come into the debate to distract people from the root cause of this byelection in the first place: the juggernaut that is the Big Brother state.

So, Ms Saward's angle is all CCTV and DNA databases. And, of course, we're back to the old chestnut that you shouldn't be objecting to either of these if you are innocent and have nothing to hide.

Well, what is the truth in all this? First off, CCTV need not necessarily show you what you THINK you saw. Indeed, how widespread would surveillance cameras need to be to ensure that you caught the perp committing the crime? Is she really suggesting that people not only have a camera in their bedrooms, but in fact EVERY ROOM of their houses? And on every street? And then, you couldn't be sure that what you get as footage actually shows what you THINK it shows, or indeed the person you think it does.

As for DNA evidence - well, is it fool-proof? What would stop an innocent person, who didn't commit the crime, but managed to get their DNA onto you in an innocent way to be banged up? A stray hair, for instance. Equally, what's to stop a rapist who is exceedingly devious PLANTING someone else's DNA on the victim? For every innocent man convicted, you are replacing one miscarriage of justice with another.

That's all a bit wordy - perhaps someone else can tighten this up into the exocets of soundbites that are needed to dismiss what is likely to be thrown at us?

[curly]

sorry lotta pages in here

[swordofjustice]

This may prove interesting.

http://www.rem1.org/local_voices/summer2000/education/apathy.htm/


Not only interesting, but I think very useful - great post!

The bottom line gets back to this being a "Bread and Circuses" issue - whatever stuff that's crafted for consumption in this byelection, it has to not only be a short-and-sweet soundbite, it also has to ENTERTAIN.

If you can make the awakening enjoyable, then people will like the idea that taking part in the process is fun. I'm now at the stage in my own personal awakening that I enjoy finding out how we've been conned by the media and the politicians and all those pulling the strings.

So, it's almost a Jack Regan-type moment from THE SWEENEY - "Get your trousers on, YOU'RE NICKED!"

Almost a playground-like chorus of "WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING" is going around in my head as I type this - oh, what fools we've all been. But, wear a smile, no need to fear any more, now we KNOW what's been going on, we can close the operation down and get Big Brother back into his box.

Yes, that's the spirit for the campaign ... !

[raptorialis]

If you are raped in the most indecent of circumstances then you know about terror.

This lady knows about terror in the most hideous and inhuman way.

She is a symbol of the establishment to be held up in the name of freedom and justice (as they want to interpret it).

She will be a very significant threat to David given his own nightmares are very much of his making.

This is all about how you use fear to persuade the public. This lady will have been bought in to counter any fear mongering from the anti-42 lobby.

Call that FEAR mate - This is FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO. 42 days for all people who look naughty!

[swordofjustice]

If you are raped in the most indecent of circumstances then you know about terror.

This lady knows about terror in the most hideous and inhuman way.

She is a symbol of the establishment to be held up in the name of freedom and justice (as they want to interpret it).

She will be a very significant threat to David given his own nightmares are very much of his making.

This is all about how you use fear to persuade the public. This lady will have been bought in to counter any fear mongering from the anti-42 lobby.

Call that FEAR mate - This is FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO. 42 days for all people who look naughty!

Absolutely, which is why it's important to show that the SOLUTIONS to the REACTION to the PROBLEM are ineffective in addressing this lady's very real terror that she is endured.

A female work colleague, talking about a completely different subject entirely, stated that no emotional situation could be solved by an emotional reaction. It has to be logical and rational.

CCTV and DNA databases are not logical or rational solutions to what is a terrible crime.

[duckingdafta]

lol @ sheep actually believing 42 day detention is a good thing. one day, maybe just one day, you might wake the fuck up!... this has NOTHING to do with anti terrorism this IS government terrorism

[beldazar]

I know, my mum happened to tell me the other day that shes in favour of 42 day detention. :mad: I did give her some information to mull over.....

[matthew84]

very difficult one.

being held for 6 weeks without knowing why is like being held hostage.....jill was held captive was she not?

[luke1721]

[QUOTE=swordofjustice;402550]Absolutely, which is why it's important to show that the SOLUTIONS to the REACTION to the PROBLEM are ineffective in addressing this lady's very real terror that she is endured.

A female work colleague, talking about a completely different subject entirely, stated that no emotional situation could be solved by an emotional reaction. It has to be logical and rational.

I do not agree with this and wonder what her qualifications in psychology are if any? The fact is we must release negative emotions asap or they do tremendous damage. If we internalise the emotion we can end us with serious disease like cancer. And if we externalise the emotion we end up hurting other people. Logic and rationality have nothing to do with it imho.
I have noted what Rapto said about Icke and I am beginning to think that Rapto is one of those Disinfo agents that come on here from time to time.

[h2pogo]

Yes, this was mentioned earlier in this thread - those checking these things will note I asked if anyone could suggest a way to defuse Ms Saward's angle with some soundbites of wisdom which would negate her (likely) impact.

The secret to solving this came from my wife's initial reaction: "What has being raped got to do with terrorism suspects? Very little unless you were raped by a member of Al Qaeda".

Obviously, Ms Saward has come into the debate to distract people from the root cause of this byelection in the first place: the juggernaut that is the Big Brother state.

So, Ms Saward's angle is all CCTV and DNA databases. And, of course, we're back to the old chestnut that you shouldn't be objecting to either of these if you are innocent and have nothing to hide.

Well, what is the truth in all this? First off, CCTV need not necessarily show you what you THINK you saw. Indeed, how widespread would surveillance cameras need to be to ensure that you caught the perp committing the crime? Is she really suggesting that people not only have a camera in their bedrooms, but in fact EVERY ROOM of their houses? And on every street? And then, you couldn't be sure that what you get as footage actually shows what you THINK it shows, or indeed the person you think it does.

As for DNA evidence - well, is it fool-proof? What would stop an innocent person, who didn't commit the crime, but managed to get their DNA onto you in an innocent way to be banged up? A stray hair, for instance. Equally, what's to stop a rapist who is exceedingly devious PLANTING someone else's DNA on the victim? For every innocent man convicted, you are replacing one miscarriage of justice with another.

That's all a bit wordy - perhaps someone else can tighten this up into the exocets of soundbites that are needed to dismiss what is likely to be thrown at us?

my argument would be ;
if your being raped/fucked by the goverment who can you turn to?
do you trust this government to give themselves even more powers to fuck you over?

would there be more police on the streets when they could be making money busting drug dealers and issueing fixed penalties and crushing ressistance.
and

dna data basses, id, cctv and powers to detain without charge would not of prevented the crime.
if people live in fear of house breakings you can buy intruder alarms with direct connection to police stations.

[raptorialis]

[QUOTE=swordofjustice;402550]Absolutely, which is why it's important to show that the SOLUTIONS to the REACTION to the PROBLEM are ineffective in addressing this lady's very real terror that she is endured.

A female work colleague, talking about a completely different subject entirely, stated that no emotional situation could be solved by an emotional reaction. It has to be logical and rational.

I do not agree with this and wonder what her qualifications in psychology are if any? The fact is we must release negative emotions asap or they do tremendous damage. If we internalise the emotion we can end us with serious disease like cancer. And if we externalise the emotion we end up hurting other people. Logic and rationality have nothing to do with it imho.
I have noted what Rapto said about Icke and I am beginning to think that Rapto is one of those Disinfo agents that come on here from time to time.

For disinfo agent read open-mind agent. Not sheeple-agent.

[swordofjustice]

I do not agree with this and wonder what her qualifications in psychology are if any? The fact is we must release negative emotions asap or they do tremendous damage. If we internalise the emotion we can end us with serious disease like cancer. And if we externalise the emotion we end up hurting other people. Logic and rationality have nothing to do with it imho.

I have noted what Rapto said about Icke and I am beginning to think that Rapto is one of those Disinfo agents that come on here from time to time.

I totally agree with you that no-one should internalise emotions.

However, this is about solving problems long-term, and if your reaction to a situation is emotional, rather than logical or rational, then you end up the loser.

The powers-that-be WANT an emotional response - that's EXACTLY where Problem-Reaction-Solution gets its power from.

[duckingdafta]

have you read the crap being said in here, first you HAVE to have emotional response for TPTB's plan's to work?..whilst this is in agreement with, you HAVE to have gone through torture pain and suffering!.. Sick, you guys are sick if you actually think you're talking ANY sense other than the exact game any opposition would want played out... totally open for manipulation.
Every statement say you're re this or you're an *Insert Insult Here*.. who are the one's attempting the control? and how must do they pay you for trolling sites with shite.
You fail the moment you attempt to use victims in your arguments rather than logic and clear thinking, women, children, elderly... all vulnerable and require different amounts of protection/security depending on THEIR CHOICE.
I have also noted the use of Daivid Icke statements used at the same time saying the opposite of the meaning.. seems there's a team on this site that like to do this opposite speaking and selective reading.

passionate response and emotional response aren't the same in my eye's. You CAN be innocent of anything torturous happening to you and still have clear thought as to political agendas. I don't agree that only those who have 'Suffered' in some way are the only ones allowed to make decisions... if this was the case, all decisions would be biased towards a personal agenda and not one for the people.
playing on children and rape and other crimes is an sad attempt at playing on peoples emotions to anger them into allowance of the solution offered by you... in effect, you're using P-R-S. as a tool for your own purposes whilst arguing TPTB are using it!..
word manipulation is something those like Terry Wogan make a living at!.

[swordofjustice]

have you read the crap being said in here, first you HAVE to have emotional response for TPTB's plan's to work..whilst this is in agreement with you HAVE to have gone through torture pain and suffering!.. Sick, you guys are sick if you actually think you're talking ANY sense other than the exact game any opposition would want played out... totally open for manipulation.
Every statement say you're re this or you're an *Insert Insult Here*.. who are the one's attempting the control? and how must do they pay you for trolling sites with shite.
You fail the moment you attempt to use victims in your arguments rather than logic and clear thinking, women, children, elderly... all vulnerable and require different amounts of protection/security depending on THEIR CHOICE.
I have also noted the use of Daivid Icke statements used at the same time saying the opposite of the meaning.. seems there's a team on this site that like to do this opposite speaking and selective reading.

Ummm ... I've had three read-throughs of this and I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Can you re-edit it perhaps, as I'm not sure whether you're agreeing that an emotional response is a good thing or not.

Who exactly are you suggesting is a troll? And which of David Icke's statements are you suggesting are being taken out of context? Surely not my use of Problem - Reaction - Solution?

[duckingdafta]

attempted edit, still no clearer... lack of education and vocabulary skills unfortunately.

[swordofjustice]

Okay, I think what you're saying is that it's entirely reasonable to be passionate about a topic, but emotion gets in the way of logic and being rational?

If the solution proposed creates problems elsewhere in society, then is it a rational and logical path to follow? It's like fixing a broken exhaust on your car only to find out that the engine now overheats and you're burning oil like it's going out of fashion.

The difficulty with the world around us is we are never sure of people's motives. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, they say.

[largejack]

Hi Infinite One

I've sent this message to the radio stations you requested

Hi

I've just heard David Icke is standing in the by-election with David Davis. This is excellent, I've recently heard him speak on Kerrang radio I think it was, and what he is saying really reflects the way the country and the world is going.

I hope you can help highlight some of his work during the campaign?

regards

Scott

[luke1721]

I totally agree with you that no-one should internalise emotions.

However, this is about solving problems long-term, and if your reaction to a situation is emotional, rather than logical or rational, then you end up the loser.

The powers-that-be WANT an emotional response - that's EXACTLY where Problem-Reaction-Solution gets its power from.



Ok I get where you are going with this and what you say is True. Remember the old proverb: When Emotion comes through the front door, Truth flies out of the window. For this very reason I am opposed to All organised religion, simply because the sheeple are being manipulated by the elite and one of the easiest ways for them is through Religion.

I still think the Rapto is one of those dis info agents though ;)

[raptorialis]

Ok I get where you are going with this and what you say is True. Remember the old proverb: When Emotion comes through the front door, Truth flies out of the window. For this very reason I am opposed to All organised religion, simply because the sheeple are being manipulated by the elite and one of the easiest ways for them is through Religion.

I still think the Rapto is one of those dis info agents though ;)

You need to disseminate false information on behalf of a third party in order to be a disinformation agent. Quite a different thing than simply coming from a different perspective.

The nazis said the same thing about the jews in 30's and 40's.

ps, when the concisous mind cannot clearly decide on who to vote for it relies on the sub-concious mind (the gut feel). I suspect the majority of people will either vote for the person they think will win (DD) [every one loves a winner] - or the lady candidate who they remember from that terrible story all those years ago.

[duckingdafta]

You need to disseminate false information on behalf of a third party in order to be a disinformation agent.

The nazis said the same thing about the jews in 30's and 40's.

LOL, Classic... first you tell us what you need to do, then tell us how you do it!.

[ryethorpe]

Blimey Charlie's right!!! :eek:

Go David....do what you feel is right!!! :D


Link to discussion about the election

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/haltempriceandhowden?cp=all#comment-76805

My prediction of the results

1 Conservatives
2 Green
3 Icke

They are trashing the OMRLP at the moment.

[raptorialis]

LOL, Classic... first you tell us what you need to do, then tell us how you do it!.

duckingdafta. This isn't Greenleaf in disguise is it?

[beldazar]

it would be great if it was cos I really miss greenleaf, I was so worried about him leaving like he did, so close to becoming a dad too :)

[raptorialis]

it would be great if it was cos I really miss greenleaf, I was so worried about him leaving like he did, so close to becoming a dad too :)

I liked him too. Flaming lunatic...:)

[beldazar]

:d:d:d

[kweli]

it would be great if it was cos I really miss greenleaf, I was so worried about him leaving like he did, so close to becoming a dad too :)

Yes, I was concerned about the way he left too. :( He seemed a good sort greenleaf.

[swordofjustice]

I refer you back to my post #321 on this strand - David Davis has chickened out of a debate with David Icke (according to the Latest Headlines page on this webiste).

So, time to expose Mr Davis as a fraud (again, see #321 for my suggestions as to what to do).

When you contact the media, make sure you note there's a news conference with David Icke tomorrow (2 July) that they should be at. The details (from the front page of this website) is as follows:

A news conference has been arranged for David to speak and be questioned by the media between 10am and 11.30am this Wednesday, July 2nd, at this venue:

Willerby Manor Hotel,
Well Lane
Willerby East
Yorkshire HU10 6ER

For all media inquires related only to the election, please contact: PR@davidicke.com

Just one email from each of us who reads this thread to a different news outlet (probably best to concentrate on ones local to the byelection) could make a hell of a difference to the buzz created ...

[the infinite one]

Copy of the flyler...

[largejack]

Fantastic flyer, absolutely bloody brilliant. Does anyone know when Icke is on James Whale tonight? Don't want to miss it :eek:

[the infinite one]

Fantastic flyer, absolutely bloody brilliant. Does anyone know when Icke is on James Whale tonight? Don't want to miss it :eek:

It said 9pm on icke's site

[largejack]

It said 9pm on icke's site

okey dokey, will tune in then

[duckingdafta]

http://www.jameswhaleradio.com/nets/jameswhaleradio/player_container.html

hope you got that!. ;)

[largejack]

okey dokey, will tune in then



Aghhh, it's 9.10 pm and no sign of icke

[titan]

Donation given with all my love. :)

[dangermouse]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/07jul/RICR-080701.php


David on Red-Ice

[duckingdafta]

http://www.thisisull.com/people/1823327114_exclusivedavidicke.html
People


Last Updated: 02/07/2008 15:27:15
An Exclusive Interview with David Icke, Candidate in the Howden and Haltemprice By-election(1/2)
ThisisUll.com speaks with David Icke at the start of his election campaign: (1/2), (2/2).

Hello David Icke. Is this election the first step in a move into politics?

No. I'm just using the opportunity to draw attention to the issue of the Big Brother state, the global elite which is slowly taking over. I'm not entering politics as a career.

So what will you do if you win?

I'm think there's a one-hundred per cent chance that I won't win, but if by some chance I did, I would resign. How could I stand up in the houses of parliament with a set of people and a system that I am opposed to?
The main thing is that globalisation, this Orwellian elite - whatever you want to call it - needs to be brought to the public's attention. I'm just giving out vital information. If we carry on as we are, we will one day find that we no longer have any rights, and our freedom will have been completely taken from us.
There's a general feeling of apathy towards the political system. What's the alternative? How do you make the 'common man' care about what's happening?

I say to those people, 'What will you say to your children and grandchildren?'

If we let these people decide our future, then how can we complain once our freedom is taken away from us? You can only keep your head in the sand for so long…
When I first began writing about these issues, more than twenty years ago, the global conspiracy was something that was around the corner, but now it's here - Big Brother, and everything that Orwell spoke off is happening now. There was a pastor [Martin Niemöller] who said after the Second World War:
'First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.'
Everybody's freedom is our freedom, and the most important freedom is the freedom to speak. If one person took their wheelie bin out on the wrong day to prove a point about their local council, nobody would take any notice, but if you managed to get a whole town or district to do the same, then they wouldn't be able to ignore them.
You seem to have a big following in America. Are they different, on a 'street level', in terms of their political awareness?

I do get a good response in America, but I don't think there is any real difference in terms of political awareness. However, they are able to express themselves in terms of free access to radio frequencies, things like that.
On a local level, the media is not as controlled as it is over here, so there is a greater sense of people being able to communicate their feelings, so there's esoteric forward projection… I'm staggered by the number of people who come up to me and say, 'I'm so glad it's not only me who feels like this…'

Do you feel you are taken more seriously over there?
When I first started seeing the changes, some people said that I was mad. I remember in 1994 I gave a talk to a few people, and there was a student there who was really interested in what I was saying. Years later, after 9/11, he called me up and told me that he had become a television producer and he eventually made the Channel 5 documentary David Icke: Was He Right? And he wanted to make it because he saw that a lot of what I had said had actually come to pass.
I think that the more people see what's happening around them, the more they realize that I am just trying to give out information, and once you have heard something that's enough - you can't 'unhear' it.



So what's next for you? How are you finding the political process?

Well, I'm really busy. I'm traveling to Africa, Romania, Croatia, Italy and then back to America before moving on to Australia and New Zealand. This movement against the global elite is exploding worldwide, it's moving forward.

I'm actually a very private person. I like my own space, reading, researching and writing back home on the Isle of Wight. I have lived in the public eye since I was fifteen, and I get tired sometimes, but these people around me are brilliant. I've never met them before but they are all coming out to help to support me with the campaign.
Are you optimistic about the future?

I'd say yes. It's a mental process - people, in general, know what needs to be done and they know it's right to do it, and finding all of these open hearts and open minds makes the last twenty years worthwhile.

[ryethorpe]

Blimey charlie!

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14054/82/


Yes, this is definitely on-going. Yes and I HAVE sent my cheque to the Icke election fund.

Here's a commentary, occasionally mentioning I c k e ,

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/haltempriceandhowden?cp=all#comments


http://jimjay.blogspot.com/2008/06/up-against-wall-you-mad-cow.html


Grrrr. Saint John of Howden, pray for us (assuming there is such a thing as the Communion of Saints)

[duckingdafta]

David Davis has stated that if anyone was to leave money in their will to animals, this money should be instantly seized.. hows that for a man fighting for your freedom?. kind of claiming these people are not of sound mind!

[dangermouse]

David Davis has stated that if anyone was to leave money in their will to animals, this money should be instantly seized.. hows that for a man fighting for your freedom?. kind of claiming these people are not of sound mind!

well those people are NOT of sound mind imo .. people living in lalala land. I can understand animal charities or something but to an animal, might even need a protective buble to protect themeselves from the real world

[duckingdafta]

I would have to say you cannot make a law that would be fair play to everyone. It seems OK for the living to spend thousands on their pets and welfare for animals.. be it cats, dogs, horses, fish, reptiles, and in many cases the owners will have many dogs and horses for hunting for instance... when these owners die, if they are poor and leave a few hundred quid to look after their loved pets life this seems ok.. but if they are rich, the greed sets in for all those wanting a piece so mentality is questioned after the death and not before.
I still believe it's down to freedom and control and a right to do what you like with your own valuables as long as it isn't harming other people.
as for giving to charities.. the worse thing you can do with your money if you ask me.. it was the RSPCA that KILLED my Alsation through Ill health at one of their kennels in Landing Lane in York..these are businesses not charities IMO.

[swordofjustice]

David has referred to the following article on the "Latest HeadlineS" pages.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031304/Lord-Biro-David-Icke-Miss-GB--David-Davis-deserve-lot.html

Interestingly, not one single comment has been posted as I type this. I have submitted one. I think you should too ...

Something along the lines of: Seen the Video on Google Video of this conference (link on the Latest Headlines pages), and can't recognise your reporter's review of what was said. Was he actually at the conference? Is this bad journalism? Why has what he said at that conference about things like Bilderberg, the backers of Barack Obama, the links between the Clintons and the Bushes and so forth, not been reported? Aren't these big stories, considering what we are currently being told? What's going on? And why so few comments on this article?

Go get 'em, gang!

[beldazar]

hmmm, there still doesnt seem to be any comment there even though you said you left one.
Im just wondering if they did get comments all for DI, the other newspapers linked to this story had some very uplifting comments about David, in fact, most were about DI

I may try and put one there in a min if I can think of something to say

[dangermouse]

I would have to say you cannot make a law that would be fair play to everyone. It seems OK for the living to spend thousands on their pets and welfare for animals.. be it cats, dogs, horses, fish, reptiles, and in many cases the owners will have many dogs and horses for hunting for instance... when these owners die, if they are poor and leave a few hundred quid to look after their loved pets life this seems ok.. but if they are rich, the greed sets in for all those wanting a piece so mentality is questioned after the death and not before.
I still believe it's down to freedom and control and a right to do what you like with your own valuables as long as it isn't harming other people.
as for giving to charities.. the worse thing you can do with your money if you ask me.. it was the RSPCA that KILLED my Alsation through Ill health at one of their kennels in Landing Lane in York..these are businesses not charities IMO.
ya well people should be able to do what they want with their money even if they are bonkers :p

[psych641]

The Daily Heils article comments are notoriously vetted, so dont get your hopes up (wouldnt put you off though, cos at least one human might see the msg). If your up for some bombardier duties maybe have a look at their message boards instead?

[jock1056]

the Daily Heils Article Comments Are Notoriously Vetted, So Dont Get Your Hopes Up (wouldnt Put You Off Though, Cos At Least One Human Might See The Msg). If Your Up For Some Bombardier Duties Maybe Have A Look At Their Message Boards Instead?

The Truth Never Changes.

[beldazar]

well, still no comment there then! I very politely wrote a comment acting as if I had only recently got acquainted with DI's work to see if my comment would go up, nope! Haha they are obviously running scared over this :D

[swordofjustice]

Yes, still no comments registered - definitely they don't like what they're getting back. Mmmm. Wonder if there's another way to get some action on this ...

[epsom]

I have sent two comments supporting David Icke and criticising the author of their article. No bad language, just a perfectly valid comment.

Both have been ignored.

They have comments on the article....and 98% of them in support david. Although none has mentioned the yellow 'journalist'.

Wonder what the're scared of.....hmmmm.

[epsom]

Sorry, the above refers to TIMESONLINE.

[epsom]

Update: Just checked TIMESONLINE comments again.

Now 21 comments and only ONE is slightly against David.

That should tell anyone that the overwhelming majority of opinion is for David.

(Don't know if that includes the redtops though!)

[beldazar]

hi epsom, have you got a link for that?

[epsom]

Hi,

Here is the link:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4226273.ece

[beldazar]

thanks :D

[schaff]

I have just watched the David Icke press conference with a mate and thought it was superb. He received a really loud round of applause from the press too. I thought given the amount of time he had he still managed to cram in alot of information that i hope will wake up some of the journalists.
I hope anyone that see's the video of it or that was their goes and reads his books, especially his latest one.
Well done David.
He is the link.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-972704915352925347

[largejack]

Quentin, your attitude towards David Icke is immature, unfounded and completely absurd. If you ever bothered to look into what this man does and says you might actually get out of your three year old mind and realise that he speaks for future of me, yourself, and more importantly our children.

I find it mind boggling that on one hand you agree with David Davis about our freedoms, and then you are accusing Icke of being a complete lunatic even though he's agreeing with what Davis says, but wants to inform us that the real picture is much bigger. David Davis wanted a debate, Icke offered him one, and Davis point blankly refuses, even kicking Icke out of the meeting with Geldoff, despite Icke having a ticket. Now's there's democracy for you.

I think it's time you got over your ridiculous self absorbed humour and actually looked seriously at what is going on in our country. You're way too up on yourself Quentin and immature. By the way how long did it take you to find that picture of Icke?


Here's my futile effort to get 'a' comment on the mail article. I sent it three times because I thought there must be some error. No such luck:(

[epsom]

Hi Schaff,

It was superb but it seems the loud round of applause was a bit misleading as the so called 'journalist's' were back to their old tricks. In the main they ridiculed David ( there may have been the odd exception).

However, from what I have seen, the OVERWHELMING majority of people are beginning to see the light.

Perhaps that is why some papers (Daily Mail) are not taking any comments from readers...(the last time I heard, anyway).

[red_ram]

Quentin, your attitude towards David Icke is immature, unfounded and completely absurd. If you ever bothered to look into what this man does and says you might actually get out of your three year old mind and realise that he speaks for future of me, yourself, and more importantly our children.

I find it mind boggling that on one hand you agree with David Davis about our freedoms, and then you are accusing Icke of being a complete lunatic even though he's agreeing with what Davis says, but wants to inform us that the real picture is much bigger. David Davis wanted a debate, Icke offered him one, and Davis point blankly refuses, even kicking Icke out of the meeting with Geldoff, despite Icke having a ticket. Now's there's democracy for you.

I think it's time you got over your ridiculous self absorbed humour and actually looked seriously at what is going on in our country. You're way too up on yourself Quentin and immature. By the way how long did it take you to find that picture of Icke?


Here's my futile effort to get 'a' comment on the mail article. I sent it three times because I thought there must be some error. No such luck:(

I found myself fuming at that article too.

Icke ranting on about the erosion of civil liberties, Quentin? I could have sworn that the erosion of civil liberties is what this debate was about in the first place. No?

[novacelsus]

Soldier who has died in Iraq write to his family in a letter to be sent upon his death ... “I cannot possibly regret being part of an organisation that has given me so much.”

Given so much, and yet taken EVERYTHING!!

[luke1721]

Just posted this to the Daily Mail site:


I watched the Icke Press Conference and found what he said to be a very accurate portrayal of where we are heading and how we are being governed.
I have not voted for twenty years because I know that democracy is nothing more than a sham, highlighted by the news that David Davies banned Daivd Icke from his public talk.
This is the same David Davies who called for public discussion about Big Brother.
Is this just a ploy to test public opinion, I feel that it is.
I doubt that your paper will post this at all because like Icke says the media is part of the system. It is there to manipulate people's perceptions of reality. When in fact reality is nothing more than a clever illusion according to Albert Einstein.
Finally those who themselves were servants of the system, exposed the system long before Icke ever came along. You do not have to take my word for it you can read these words uttered by the first ever Tory Prime Minster to hold office.

The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes
Benjamin Disralie

[neil]

Accusations and denials of undercover military role:

http://cryptome.org/fru-mercer.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/oct/17/uk.conservatives

[dondaz]

This is without doubt a great opportunity for the Icke message to reach many people. As indeed he will.

We need more events like these because they get people looking. They are sick of the same old same old, so people like Icke will stand out in the crowd. So what if the media shuns him or tries a few pathetic ridicule tricks. It doesn't matter.

People from all over Hull are interested in this. Many of them will attend the meetings and events up to the election. Icke will be talking to these people to their face and that is when the information will sink in. And those people will see the deciet and propaganda about it on the news and further confirm Ickes message.

This is a win win situation. Anyone who says different needs to use their imagination. It isn't hard to figure out ways to make the best of things like this.

This is what is important folks. The naysayers posting on here have no fighting spirit in them and want you too to not get involved in this brilliant opportunity to wake thousands of people up.

I'm doing my best to try to get up there to give my help and promote Icke in this and there's nothing anyone on here can say that will demoralise me into giving in.

Some good posts you made here steevo, nice one! I see you've been holding the fort and keeping the wolves at bay while I've been away. :D;)

[beldazar]

Spot on Dondaz, you are absolutely correct!
Go for it mate, I only wish I could get there too, it will be quite a show :D

[sukyspook]

This is without doubt a great opportunity for the Icke message to reach many people. As indeed he will.

We need more events like these because they get people looking. They are sick of the same old same old, so people like Icke will stand out in the crowd. So what if the media shuns him or tries a few pathetic ridicule tricks. It doesn't matter.

People from all over Hull are interested in this. Many of them will attend the meetings and events up to the election. Icke will be talking to these people to their face and that is when the information will sink in. And those people will see the deciet and propaganda about it on the news and further confirm Ickes message.

This is a win win situation. Anyone who says different needs to use their imagination. It isn't hard to figure out ways to make the best of things like this.

This is what is important folks. The naysayers posting on here are have no fighting spirit in them and want you too to not get involved in this brilliant opportunity to wake thousands of people up.

I'm doing my best to try to get up there to give my help and promote Icke in this and there's nothing anyone on here can say that will demoralise me into giving in.

Some good posts you made here steevo, nice one! I see you've been holding the fort and keeping the wolves at bay while I've been away. :D;)

At the beginning of this thread, I posted my opinion of how I believed David shouldn't stand in this election. I had been a PPC - prospective parliamentary candidate for UKIP and I had realised that there WERE those in UKIP who didn't want that party to succeed....I also found those involved in politics were of a particular 'breed' for want of a better word - they are egoists who in general are not spiritually awake and aware....

However, as David decided to stand, I am intending to go to the meeting tomorrow, Sunday 6th to hear and support David as best I can.

He will have a job on his hands and will either be kept out of the mainstream media or be ridiculed.....what's new.

David Icke finally awakened me to the real 'reality' we exist within. I had always known from being 8 years old that things are not as we are supposed to perceive them. David turned the key and I shall be forever grateful to him for actually giving my life purpose. HOWEVER, I do not worship David and do not treat him as a guru. Once awakened we are all on our own journey to The Truth of all things.

Whatever happens in the next few days, potentially we can all learn a lot from this event and can build on it and at least plant a seed in the minds of those who don't yet know The Truth but 'know' something is very, VERY wrong.

I wish David all the best and look forward to hearing him and watching the reaction tomorrow and in the coming week.

[epsom]

Hi all,

Noticed an article in the Independent about David Davies' spin doctor. There was only one line about David Icke...and that was that he once called himself the son of god.

As you cannot send a readers comment, decided to send the following to the editor...or whoever reads these things...if they ever do:


Re- authors of Spin Doctor article.

Comment that David Icke is Son of god is VERY old news.

Things have changed. Grow up and do some decent research. We have enough yellow journalist's who toe the line of the paper etc with whom they work. If not, they risk ridicule and their jobs.

Note that 98% of public opinion is in favour of David Icke.

Won't find that in the media....will you?.

Note I didn't get a reply!.

I wouldn't be surprised if David Icke won this election---but then he would have to resign---shame!

[duckingdafta]

Hi all,

Noticed an article in the Independent about David Davies' spin doctor. There was only one line about David Icke...and that was that he once called himself the son of god.

easily re-spin this and grab a few religious voters too.. aren't we ALL the sons of God in their eyes... and if they take offence.. in the words of the Late GREAT BILL HICKS..

Forgive Me Then!

[earthsong]

The report in the Independent just confirms what David has always said about the press.... they're nothing but a load of repeaters!

David's very presence in this small East Yorkshire community is certainly shining a light on some very dark areas...and this shows that the truth will out eventually!

Thanks a million David....

[duckingdafta]

maybe David could look into the fact the all the government are so up at the moment as to Fighting Global warming yet we have wind farm being rejected in Beverley.. the same area.. by the MoD.
http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/MoD-objects-wind-farm-plans/article-207150-detail/article.html

[quester123]

The report in the Independent just confirms what David has always said about the press.... they're nothing but a load of repeaters!

David's very presence in this small East Yorkshire community is certainly shining a light on some very dark areas...and this shows that the truth will out eventually!



yep the truth is most certainly flowing....These are indeed very exciting times:)

There are a few of us who will be going to the meeting tomorrow who have supported David since 19 naught blob, even before the launch of his book Robots Rebellion. Attended his very early talks, held in fairly empty rooms and witnessed some very rude heckling people, the events would then be followed on by ridiculous press reports.

We can remember the public phone calls in the days when James Whale would interview David on Leeds station,Radio Aire. The radio station would only allow "conflict calls" but would offer no supportive calls through the switchboard whatsoever.

And, look at what has happened to James Whale, since those early days?
yes, these are interesting times....
DI has no intention of becoming a politician, but look at the truth which is now beginning to surface!
The scams are already becoming apparent. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spin-doctor-behind-daviss-campaign-promotes-id-cards-856590.html)

I see this meeting tomorrow, as a window of opportunity, in a perfect time space sequence:)

My intuition and inner excitement is alive and buzzing!



PEACE

[duckingdafta]

The WHOLE song has an important message.. we are together here..tell everyone they can join us and be free...support the real causes of your life.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
N' I don't like it any more than you men." *


Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way they've always done before

Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before


My hands are tied
The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of God and our human rights
And all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time can't deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars


D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "Peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land


And
I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war


Look at the shoes your filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more


My hands are tied
For all I've seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of God or human rights
'Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars


"We practice selective annihilation of mayors
And government officials
For example to create a vacuum
Then we fill that vacuum
As popular war advances
Peace is closer" **


I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
And I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
I don't need one more war


I don't need one more war
Whaz so civil 'bout war anyway

**..bullshit from your government!
* WTF are YOU gonna do about it?

[sukyspook]

yep the truth is most certainly flowing....These are indeed very exciting times:)

There are a few of us who will be going to the meeting tomorrow who have supported David since 19 naught blob, even before the launch of his book Robots Rebellion. Attended his very early talks, held in fairly empty rooms and witnessed some very rude heckling people, the events would then be followed on by ridiculous press reports.

We can remember the public phone calls in the days when James Whale would interview David on Leeds station,Radio Aire. The radio station would only allow "conflict calls" but would offer no supportive calls through the switchboard whatsoever.

And, look at what has happened to James Whale, since those early days?
yes, these are interesting times....
DI has no intention of becoming a politician, but look at the truth which is now beginning to surface!
The scams are already becoming apparent. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spin-doctor-behind-daviss-campaign-promotes-id-cards-856590.html)

I see this meeting tomorrow, as a window of opportunity, in a perfect time space sequence:)

My intuition and inner excitement is alive and buzzing!



PEACE

I hope to see you there....it will be 'interesting' to say the least. Feel the vibes of the politicos - the -ve energy exuded by those who function purely from the ego is tangible and I really don't like being around them. Watch out for the watchers from MIwhatever.....they'll be taking notes no doubt!
Let's shine our lights of Truth for all to see and feel!

Perhaps we should carry a copy of the Biggest Secret so that we can recognise each other lol!!!

[duckingdafta]

I'm making a book for a few deaf people in Goole of this video and I'm about half way through. I have attempted to type it word for word as to the days talk, If anyone finds any errors please, check and comment. this is only the first half as I haven't finished yet. NOTICE

[hagbard_celine]

David has proved me wrong!:D:cool:

He's done a good job at this election, publicizing the issue of Big Brother. I was reading a comments article in The Scum yesterday about him. It took the piss... of course!... but I bet it drew attention. Remember I first heard about David from that crap doc by Jon Ronson, The Lizards and the Jews.


It's true what they say: There's no such thing as bad publicity.

[steevo]

David has proved me wrong!:D:cool:

He's done a good job at this election, publicizing the issue of Big Brother. I was reading a comments article in The Scum yesterday about him. It took the piss... of course!... but I bet it drew attention. Remember I first heard about David from that crap doc by Jon Ronson, The Lizards and the Jews.


It's true what they say: There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Exactly! :)

[limelady]

I'm making a book for a few deaf people in Goole of this video and I'm about half way through. I have attempted to type it word for word as to the days talk, If anyone finds any errors please, check and comment. this is only the first half as I haven't finished yet. Download Via Megaupload (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FS07IZLZ)

What a wonderful thing for you to do duckie!

Thank heavens for people like yourself who spend their time helping others in such a considerate way.

Well done and thankyou for being you. :)

[celtic isis]

David has proved me wrong!:D:cool:

He's done a good job at this election, publicizing the issue of Big Brother. I was reading a comments article in The Scum yesterday about him. It took the piss... of course!... but I bet it drew attention. Remember I first heard about David from that crap doc by Jon Ronson, The Lizards and the Jews.


It's true what they say: There's no such thing as bad publicity.

great stuff hagbard :) he too has proven me wrong, just fresh from watching his talk on sunday on big brother the big picture - bloody hell icke is brilliant. :D I'm buzzing away here now. no one else can talk about this stuff in such an articulate truthfully passionate way and still be so hilariously funny and natural at the same time. :)

I tell ya we're right behind you david :) or maybe standing by your side would be more apt.

these last few months guys, it's been amazing no? A real change is coming, the tides are turning :)

And DI for one deserves the respect and recognition now. Better fooking late than never!!! the human race are a slow bunch to say the least!

lol The Scum!!

[beldazar]

Hey celtic isis and hagbard, you are both BRILLIANT! Your optimism has raised me up!
This morning when I checked the headlines and saw that DI had very few votes, I felt like this is never gonna get sorted out, that all his (and others) efforts arent gonna do a jot and we will plunge into a worse and worse situation.

You and hagbard have brought back a shed load of positivity for me, yes of course,
'no such thing as bad publicity' Thanks millions! :D

[diamond dogs]

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[raptorialis]

This was a real blow for the anti big-brother movement.

It would be delusional to interpret it in any other way.

No hearts and minds were captured here and the votes certainly don't reflect any real change in thinking from the status quo.

As a few of us on this thread said on many occasions - This campaign was a set-up from the start [to capture the initiative away from], [to slow the momentum of] and [to steal the reins away from (as perceived by the British people) the anti-big brother movement by emphasising the (perceived) insignificance of the other anti-BB candidates]. And Davis comes out as the (perceived) chosen mouth-piece against a big-brother state. Not bad for a couple of months work - when DI has been speaking out against it for decades.

This would then pave the way for the introduction of new draconian measures.

You cannot fight covert, indirect tactics by big brother with direct action.

They will always be smarter and they will see you coming from a mile away.

They are much smarter than you think.

[beldazar]

I bet your'e great fun to be around :rolleyes:

[wisdomgirl]

I will support david icke whole heartedly, and will donate when asked!! :)

Lets get this ball rolling then.