VIRGINI-a Shootings!! Right now!

[thoth]

What the fuck? Is anyone catching this? 30+ killed at Virgina Tech approximately 7:50 this morning. I am sure reprecussions will be taken after this. Serpent boy Bush will address the herd around 4:15 eastern standard time.

[mynameis]

32 people dead, 22 wounded. Brought to you by the campus that banned guns on campus. It never fails less guns = less safe. More guns = more safe. I heard there were previous warnings and the police waited 3 hrs to put out a warning after the lock down, and they waited 2 hrs before going into the building.

[graflok]

Another Columbine-type PRS black op. More gun-control laws sure to follow.

graflok

[anoninnyc]

bingo...

[anoninnyc]

turns out he was in the r.o.t.c. program, so military related. surprise surprise

[thoth]

And, brace yourselves, there was an "earlier" shooting where approximately 2 or more shots were fired and they continued to have class anyway. They are calling it the 'deadliest' shooting in U.S. history. 31 dead = 13 numerologically speaking.

[mynameis]

Problem Reaction Solution

[free_spirit_earth]

33 victims dead now = 33rd freemasonry surely illuminati driven!!, 1 killer dead. I think it was a inside job NWO related, Problem-reaction-solution for sure...i woke up to see the president on BBC in a press conference asking for more taxpayers $$$ to fund the war... then immedietly following that they screen the shootings which got more coverage then his conference what a great diversion plan.... i bet they will keep the killer unnamed or use one of the victims as the killer... cause the real killer/s were ops or agents...

[free_spirit_earth]

DISGUSTING..
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/160407gunban.htm

[gremlin]

i knew someone would point it out, 33 killed and 33rd degree masons could be interesting.

[truthcommission]

One has to wonder why these incidents happen or if the really happen in isolation to what is going on in the wider world.

As long as news agencies keep churning out their bogus reports and the public keep reacting to them with the usual isn't it terrible/shocking/horrific reaction they will keep occurring and being manipulated by those in control.

[tinmenace]

Totally on to something here Thoth!

[truthcommission]

Indeed - what better place to engineer a situation like this than an engineering building. It is important for us to watch the signs and the type of language and hidden messages that are used in the news reports.

[tinmenace]

Indeed - what better place to engineer a situation like this than an engineering building. It is important for us to watch the signs and the type of language and hidden messages that are used in the news reports.

Wow!! You guys are so smart! Yes it's all so symbolic. What do you make of the doors being chained shut? Did he bring the chains with him?

[truthcommission]

There was a lot of rumors and speculation floating around that it was this guy below. Turns out to be an Asian student with a penchant for firearms who has so far received lots of death threats.

http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/

Another distraction or something else?

[tinmenace]

Oh wow! He sure has a thing for firearms! He also had a recent breakup... this is very interesting.

[rasnalgoul]

I know that the events that occured this day past have conspiracy/set up written all over them, but I think we should try to contain our exitement a bit. What Im trying to say is these figures 33, 31, 22 those are murder victims we are talking about. I dont know if you saw the picture on the infowars site that free spirit linked too but that is someones family or friend, I dont know about that picture but he could be dead. I guess it strikes close to home with me because I am a student and I see people like that everyday. Its just that, when 911 occured, I didnt really react emotionally, and I felt detatched from it all, I dont even know if I cared that all those people had been murdered. And I think that is wrong, but now I feel terribly sad for those people and there families who were killed today. I also was quick to see the obvious 'mistakes' the tell tale signs that something was being covered up, the 3hr delay between the first murders and the notification of the students and the lack of a lockdown, very reminescent of 911 with the supposed miscommunication between those in charge who could have shot down the planes. I can see it all, and I agree with what you all have postulated. I also think that it is important to honor those killed by getting the truth behind what really happened. I can remember thinking, gee I wonder when the next big Illuminati Terror/false flag/PRS will happen it sure will be interesting to break it down. But I think we have had enough examples of these kinds of things, and it is far from interesting, it is just plain sad.

[basilbrook]

I personally cannot help thinking that this event has been orchestrated at the same time as the NWO banker (Wolfywitz or however you spell it) is under pressure for his actions.

Distracts the masses from THAT story!!!!!!

My condolencies to the families of those effected.

Shocking, shocking news.

[hew1]

What the fuck? Is anyone catching this? 30+ killed at Virgina Tech approximately 7:50 this morning. I am sure reprecussions will be taken after this. Serpent boy Bush will address the herd around 4:15 eastern standard time.

no they are not my mrs has jjust said all guns should be taking away .I tried explaining its prs but was called an arrogant bastard.

[lumukanda]

I personally cannot help thinking that this event has been orchestrated at the same time as the NWO banker (Wolfywitz or however you spell it) is under pressure for his actions.

Distracts the masses from THAT story!!!!!!



now there's a very good point, i was watching CNN last night and they were just going on and on and on and on, worst massacre in US history, my US history is not what it should be, but i do believe some have estimated that the rosewood massacre claimed 150 lives, but that was a long time ago, and i doubt the average american even knows what it is.

[basilbrook]

And the results of Wolfywitz enquiry


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1260703,00.html

He gets off !!!!!

[synergy777]

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/

this man knows what up. 33 again, like 23 etc, popping up everywhere. i love the way they manipulate the public, the peaks and troughs of events.

[tru3]

worst massacre in US history

i'd say the survivors of wounded knee would have disagreed with that.

[synergy777]

wounded knee wasn't a masscre, it was an action that protected democracy fool, lol

[ah42]

I know that the events that occured this day past have conspiracy/set up written all over them, but I think we should try to contain our exitement a bit. What Im trying to say is these figures 33, 31, 22 those are murder victims we are talking about. I dont know if you saw the picture on the infowars site that free spirit linked too but that is someones family or friend, I dont know about that picture but he could be dead. I guess it strikes close to home with me because I am a student and I see people like that everyday. Its just that, when 911 occured, I didnt really react emotionally, and I felt detatched from it all, I dont even know if I cared that all those people had been murdered. And I think that is wrong, but now I feel terribly sad for those people and there families who were killed today. I also was quick to see the obvious 'mistakes' the tell tale signs that something was being covered up, the 3hr delay between the first murders and the notification of the students and the lack of a lockdown, very reminescent of 911 with the supposed miscommunication between those in charge who could have shot down the planes. I can see it all, and I agree with what you all have postulated. I also think that it is important to honor those killed by getting the truth behind what really happened. I can remember thinking, gee I wonder when the next big Illuminati Terror/false flag/PRS will happen it sure will be interesting to break it down. But I think we have had enough examples of these kinds of things, and it is far from interesting, it is just plain sad.

You are right, rasnalgoul, it is very sad. But we have to keep on this and keep joining the dots. You see the point is that these events are rituals designed to trap and enslave the human mind, and if we don't try to spread awareness of these things the perpetrators (illuminati) will get their way and things will get sadder. Thanks to Mr Ickes research we can do some dot joining now with this event. Looking back at The Biggest Secret I notice that this time of year is a big illuminati ritual sacrifice date. April 19th. Relating to Baal/Moloch. Now, although this sick event took place on the 16th, this is one of the tricks they play by reversing numbers to confuse us (6 is 9 Reversed). We can see that Waco (1993) and Oklahoma bombing (1995) took place on April 19, and Columbine 1 day later (April 20th).
Virginia is named after the virgin queen (Semiramis?), The wife of Nimrod (Baal).Baal (sun god) demanded appeasment through the sacrifice of children in the ancint babylonian, Canaanite and phoenician religions. Their son, Tammuz, is a predecessor of Jesus in that he died and rose again three days later (16 plus 3 = 19) Are we witnessing the rebirth?...I digress. And I am sure there is more. Go back and read the Biggest Secret again. Im sure you will find it interesting. With the 33 victims included in this murder we have a mass of incedents pointing toward an ancient ritual sacrifice being performed in front of us and a mass media coverage to push it into our faces. Of course this could just be my paranoia, or a co-incidence... nothing to worry about.

[who elsie]

No, I don't think it's paranoia. You are absolutely right. The first thing that struck me when I heard about these killings was the parallels to Columbine, not just the manner of the killings, but the date. I don't think it is coincidence that these and other events, like Waco, occurred around the same date. Apparantly, it is a time of ritual sacrifice of children. All of the major tragedies that have happened around these dates have involved either children or youths.

[whitelightrabbit]

f*cking propaganda! we need to remember the truths we know:

this was not the biggest massacre in US history
what else is going on that this media is distracting us from?

[lenejento]

Today on the norwegian news they made sure to put these details in:

That the killer was wearing a black leather coat and a red hat and that the first classroom he went beserk in was a classroom where they were teaching German... I was just thinking to myself "why are they adding these small details like GERMAN class and COLOR of his clothes, maybe there is something to it?"

By the way, I'm seeing so many 33s lately, kinda freaky :D

[narcolepticwatchman]

Anyone else think there is anything in the Virginia / columbine connection? ie Columbia aka the statue of liberty which in this form is Semiramis, the Virgin mother of Nimrod and Goddess of war?

This article is quite good

http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/columbia2/columbia2.htm

and here for more info on Semiramis

Semiramis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[lucifershammer]

can you imagine the amount of negative energy in the memorial that is going on right now? and who was sitting smack dab in the middle of it all? Bush.

[siliconpsychosis]

I read in the Times yesterday that the Queen has a planned visit to Virginia between the 3rd and 4th of May. What a coincidence.

Plus I just seen the logo for Virginia Tech and it actually looks like a gun.

I wouldnt be surprised if this Korean lad only shot the first 2 people. And then some psycho secret ops guy killed the rest and vanished.

[mcmenek1]

I wouldnt be surprised if this Korean lad only shot the first 2 people. And then some psycho secret ops guy killed the rest and vanished.

Good point I've been thinking about this........I wonder if anyone credible actually seen this guy shoot anybody at all.......he could be just a patsy to blame for the work of the black ops guys.

If he did the shooting I'm sure he would have been helped along the way.......33 dead......that number again......the number 33 for me is a dead giveaway that "The Powers That Be" were behind this.


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[siliconpsychosis]

Heres the logo for Virginia Tech. Looks like a gun to me.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/1/11/VT_Emblem.gif


The Tech was founded in 1872, 135 years ago.

The Queens visit to Virginia, announced 5 months ago, is to mark the 400th anniversary of the first permanent English settlement in America.

[anoninnyc]

can you imagine the amount of negative energy in the memorial that is going on right now? and who was sitting smack dab in the middle of it all? Bush.

good point. very interesting.

[tinmenace]

I still can't figure out where the chains came from....you know, the ones that secured the doors from the inside.:confused: :confused:

[thoth]

I still can't figure out where the chains came from....you know, the ones that secured the doors from the inside.:confused: :confused:

Hmm...

[tinmenace]

Hmm...

Was it to keep people out? Or was it to keep people in? Did he bring enough length of chain with him to secure two doors? Or, was there chain lying around?


Also this:

"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," said Larry Hincker, associate vice president for university relations.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting/index.html

He was a loner? Really? How would you know? There are 26,000 students there. You admit to difficulties finding information about him but you can confidently say that he's a loner? According to whom? What's the source?

Since yesterday they have been giving this kind of information, painting this guy in a certain light when they don't even know anything about him. This is sooooooo a set up!

I wonder if anyone knows anything about Korean culture? This would be a terrible disgrace to his family and would ruin them. I just am not happy with any of the explanations. They can start by explaining the chains to me.

[tinmenace]

A government official told CNN's Jeanne Meserve that a note has been found indicating Cho showed anger against "rich kids."

The official also said Cho had a history of mental illness but gave no details

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/cho.profile/index.html

Is this overkill on this kid's character assassination or what? Gave no details? Why TF not? If you're going to make inflammatory statements like that, you better back it up with some details. :mad:

Ooh! People make me sooo mad:mad: :mad: :mad:

And let's not forget that the official is unnamed! What a crock of utter crap!

[anoninnyc]

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

scroll down and you will find links to plays the shooter had written

[tinmenace]

I'm still wondering about those chains. You have any thoughts on that?

[mistermagoo]

The attached newsletter suggests that it was a professional Chinese assassin who committed this crime. This suggests that the poor Korean student who was shot (I wonder by whom) was just a patsy. This fits with the MO these people have used in the past.

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Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' http://www.legitgov.org/virginia_tech_shooting_oddities.html

"The average 'nut' is not this well armed, nor able to kill with such precision, and so quickly."
--Comment by CLG reader, Blueridge
More from Blueridge, who lives in WV:
I have been watching Roanoke local TV with excellent coverage. Brian Williams of NBC interviewed two students, one who was shot. The following facts about the shooter emerged as they met face to face:
1. did not recognize from campus
2. reloaded clips (semi auto pistol(s)) very fast
3. "looked trained" in use of weapons, pro
4. wearing red cap, vest (impression of trained "beret")
5. authorities said he had "no ID" on him
6. gunman wearing all black (pro wear)
7. camera phone recorded "blast" after fired shots.
The school police stood down for two hours, without notifying students or faculty. During the press conference, they said they often run "drills." School president and campus police chief were absolutely emotionless during both conferences, very matter of fact. Police not providing ID, not providing weapon details... Why?
AFT source tells NBC News that the gunman was not a Virginia Tech student, but someone who had access to the dorm.
Authorities Tentatively ID Va. Tech Gunman 16 Apr 2007 Authorities say they've tentatively identified the gunman behind Monday's shooting rampage at Virginia Tech that killed 32 victims, but they're not releasing any information yet. Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum told reporters that two weapons were recovered, but he declined to describe them.
Gunman may have made 3 bomb threats to test 'security response' 16 Apr 2007 Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa. The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus' security response, the source said. The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said.
A 'person-of-interest' was being interviewed while the second shooting occurred. He was not a student. --Press conference, Blacksburg, VA
CNN: 'The Virginia Tech killer chained doors shut at his second shooting site before going into a German class and opening fire.'
VA Tech wasn't locked down for two hours, after the first shooting was reported at 7:15 AM. The shooter apparently made it over to the *other side of campus* and *carried out more shootings,* unmolested, two hours later!
It has not been confirmed whether or not the shooter is a student. [How did the shooter access the buildings, when a scanned ID is required for access?]
First report: The suspect was led away in handcuffs.
Second report: The suspect was killed.
Third report: The suspect killed himself.
Fourth report: There were two suspects.
Individual had same style of guns (*two* handguns) used by FBI agents, a 'high-powered' weapon and the shootings were 'well-planned.'
MSNBC's FBI profiler: 'students lined up and shot execution style'
19 hours after the first shooting, the shooter(s) has/have not been identified. [00:15 EDT 17 Apr 2007]
At press conf., VT Tech.: We thought the shooter (7:15 AM) had left the state. ?
Regardless, it appears that the Gonzales testmony will receive little coverage tomorrow. Oops, strike that: Senate postpones to Thursday the gonzales hearing, in light of VA Tech shootings. Can we expect new Blackwater USA contract$ to 'secure' college campuses? --LRP
Anger mounts over response to massacre 17 Apr 2007 (Blacksburg, VA) Parents and students at the scene of the worst school shooting in US history on Monday criticised the university for waiting too long to alert people a killer may be on the loose.
Police Cite Person of Interest in Va. Tech Dorm Killing; Dead Gunman Yet to Be ID'd 16 Apr 2007 In a press conference tonight, Virginia Tech President Charles Steger gave a detailed timeline of the morning's tragic events. He said a 9-1-1 call reporting a shooting at a dormitory was made at approximately 7:15 a.m. While police were trying to assess what they first believed was a domestic dispute, they received a second 9-1-1 call, nearly two and a half hours later, that reported shootings on the opposite side of campus. According to the Virginia Police Chief Wendell Flinchum, officials have not definitively linked the two shootings. Campus police have identified a person of interest who is not currently in police custody.
Gunman may have made 3 bomb threats to test 'security response' 16 Apr 2007 Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa. The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus' security response, the source said. The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said.
Eyewitness: '40 or 50 shots' --Massacre at Virginia Tech: 33 Confirmed Dead --Gunman's Body Disfigured; Hard to Identify 16 Apr 2007 A tranquil college campus in Virginia became a killing field Monday morning. At least 33 people are dead in the worst mass shooting in modern American history. Police at Virginia Tech, in Blacksburg, Va., said that the shootings happened at a dormitory and then at a classroom on opposite sides of the university campus. Some students are questioning why administrators did not stop classes after the first shooting, and why it took more than two hours to inform the university community via email about the shootings.
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[tinmenace]

Is it true that the school officials waited for two hours before alarming everyone that there was a shooter on the loose?

[sebas]

hi everybody, first post..
I'm from Uruguay and today I saw this news on TV.
They showed LOTS of pictures of the killer "a korean boy" with huge guns
could it be a subliminal rascist message "korean people are assasins" ????
thay want to go war to Asia so why not prepare people minds with this messages???
all the other simbolism it's interesting too.. 33 victims.. Virginia... etc

[gordonfreeman]

It was such an evil day. It looks like it all has been planned by the US government and the CIA (aka Illuminati/NWO). The negative bastards who controls the human race and planet Earth.

Hell, World War III is coming or even a bigger threat is coming.

[forbesy]

After the deadliest shooting rampage in US history, President George W Bush said the US was “shocked and saddened”.

My parents watch fox news. So while I've been making dinner the past 2 nights, I have seen a good portion of whats being spun here. When I got home from work yesterday, they were saying it was a short Chinese man. And because of that Police were saying to stay away from people with that description.

I laughed out loud at that. Did they just tell me to be afraid of Chinese people? Then today I came home from work, and it was all about gun control. That is the only solution? I hadn't even read up on the incident yet. Sure enough, later, reading the stories it's an all too familiar scenario.

Good thing they always have a self destruct program, eh?

Oh yes, the other thing on Fox they were saying was something like, most people wont even feel the shock and sadness for hours or days. This coming from some hired pscyhologist. "If you don't feel sad yet, KEEP WATCHING"

[anoninnyc]

hi everybody, first post..
I'm from Uruguay and today I saw this news on TV.
They showed LOTS of pictures of the killer "a korean boy" with huge guns
could it be a subliminal rascist message "korean people are assasins" ????
thay want to go war to Asia so why not prepare people minds with this messages???
all the other simbolism it's interesting too.. 33 victims.. Virginia... etc

welcome to this forum. you know, i wouldnt be surprised if you are correct about the korean thing. however, the us military is spread so thin that i dont know how they could go to war with korea now, but maybe just preparing for ten years down the road. i think there is an excellent possiblility of that. and i do find the symbolism very very interesting.

[amadeus]

Terrible, terrible and sad news.

Did you notice that according to the interview with student Trey Perkins the shooter "Didn't look frightened or angry, just serious, with no emotion on his face..."

Maybe its nothing, but i think that for a pissed off mad shooter that is looking for his girlfriend(how do they now that?) this behaviour does not fit.

[taloho]

While watching the news, they talked about one of the teachers who was killed, at the VT shooting, was a holocost survivor, and the day of the shooting was Holocost Rememberance day.

[tinmenace]

Now that a MASS-acre has been made to the VIRGIN-ia, GWB is on his way to see the witch (aka pope) at the Vatican to craft a brand new spell for him to help him get his way with Congress and against the will of the American people, to further invade the middle east. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2869

Do you remember about six months ago, Henry Kissinger went to see the pope? (http://www.infowars.com/articles/occult/pope_kissinger_serve_as_papal_adviser.htm) Something about advising the pope. I always wondered why a Jew would be advising the pope. More and more I'm convinced that the pope and the rest of them are ritual witches. This is why they drink the blood of Christ, chant and follow rituals ad nauseam. It's their craft. And you can read about these rituals in any book on magick.

GWB has much bigger issues to be concerned about. Why is he visiting the pope now? Why now? I find the timing very interesting, especially after VT incident. The sacrifice has been made and now it's time to collect...

[thoth]

Damn, the Holocaust dude did get killed! And the symbolism of an Asian man, fucking outrageous. Its so much symbolism, and the masses are in a daze. "I don't know why that crazy dude did that, he killed all of those people." PEOPLE ARE FUCKING SHEEP!!

[ah42]

Terrible, terrible and sad news.

Did you notice that according to the interview with student Trey Perkins the shooter "Didn't look frightened or angry, just serious, with no emotion on his face..."

Maybe its nothing, but i think that for a pissed off mad shooter that is looking for his girlfriend(how do they now that?) this behaviour does not fit.
Hmmm....look what I found

http://www.trance-formation.com/

[ah42]

P.S
Virginia tech is in blacksburg.....

[rainmaker]

Whoah! Good catch!

[ah42]

Whoah! Good catch!
nah...we all knew it was gonna be a mind control job...I think it was just so obvious no-one bothered to say it

[rainmaker]

I agree, we DID all know it's a mind control job, I meant good catch on the information about Blacksberg being a center for that kind of op. Even if we know something at intuition level, it's good to have some dots joined up.

[ah42]

Yup..trouble is, there are so many damn dots (as usual) that its begining to resemble a well used dart board. the more ya look the more ya see, and keeping track is impossible. trying to find points without going into book size posts is difficult. there is more going on on the esoteric side of this and im confused already.

[kerravon]

Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but the symbology has been staring us in the face. The VT logo that has been plastered all over CNN is basically a Square (T-Square) & Inverted Compass. Very Interesting...

[rasnalgoul]

The emotional shock is starting to wear off, and I find that I am already getting frustrated with people immediately accepting the news and saying things such as ' whats wrong with people these days' or ' Im for gun control' (with a pursed face and irritated eyes as if to show how irritated they are). I have to keep reminding people of the very obvious and blatant facts that there was atleast a 2 hr period between the killings in which they university did NOTHING! I have to say, I was truly shocked at how one dimensional peoples thoughts were on this event. That fucking Television really turns you into a mindless zombie.

Columbine - Columbia, Virgin- ia, it really is all perfectly clear if you know what to look for. But I think to the majority of robots out there even the blatantly simple symbols such as those or 33 are lightyears beyond what they are even willing to look at. What Im trying to to do now is show the obvious set up or in news speak 'negligence' so that peole will see thats somethig is obviously wrong.
But unlike 911 where motives for the government to do such a thing are quite clear- war on terror- its gonna be tough explaining the motives to such a thing as this.

What do you guys think about moments of silence to mourn the dead. For some reason it just seems like an odd ritual. Massive groups of people coordinating moments of silence for a ritual slaying such as this just seems creepy. What do you guys think?

[tinmenace]

Ok, dunno if anyone saw this thread Cathy O'Brien and Blacksburg (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2918)

[ah42]

Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but the symbology has been staring us in the face. The VT logo that has been plastered all over CNN is basically a Square (T-Square) & Inverted Compass. Very Interesting...
I am no mathematician, but I notice also that the VT logo is similar to a representation of the square root of pi. Seeing as the people who perpetrated this massacre are into the numerology, anyone here who can explain and expand on any connection?

[ah42]

Ok, dunno if anyone saw this thread Cathy O'Brien and Blacksburg (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2918)
Yes Tinmenace, I posted a link to the site that quote was on earlier..here it is again

http://www.trance-formation.com/

[tinmenace]

ah42 said: I am no mathematician, but I notice also that the VT logo is similar to a representation of the square root of pi. Seeing as the people who perpetrated this massacre are into the numerology, anyone here who can explain and expand on any connection?


Not until it was mentioned. This is soooo not what they're telling us, ad nauseam, on the news.

This from Fox News online:

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/041807_vatech_killer.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266683,00.html

[tinmenace]

Yes Tinmenace, I posted a link to the site that quote was on earlier..here it is again

http://www.trance-formation.com/

Ah! Ok, sorry, didn't note your name (was so excited), but didn't want anyone on this thread to miss it. Good job! ;)

[falseflag]

I've kept my feelings on this (sacrifice) matter to myself, as I know the response from 'joe public'.
I do think its strange how the majority of the population can watch people like Darrin Brown and still not accept that mind controlled killers are a possibility. One deaf, dumb and blind World we live in, such a shame.

[ah42]

Ah! Ok, sorry, didn't note your name (was so excited), but didn't want anyone on this thread to miss it. Good job! ;)
s'ok tin...I just hope things like this can be used as the ammo we need to get the sheeple to believe us!

[tinmenace]

s'ok tin...I just hope things like this can be used as the ammo we need to get the sheeple to believe us!

Das right baby!

[rainmaker]

ah42 - regarding the square root of pi, I'm sure you already have it figured out, it's 1.77 .... that 77 again.
Mor on 7/7/7 at http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2924

[shenoma]

I've kept my feelings on this (sacrifice) matter to myself, as I know the response from 'joe public'.
I do think its strange how the majority of the population can watch people like Darrin Brown and still not accept that mind controlled killers are a possibility. One deaf, dumb and blind World we live in, such a shame.

If people wanted to know they would care and take the time to found out for themselves. I give up on them, they have to do it for themselves. You can's save people from themselves, they have to do for them.

[falseflag]

If people wanted to know they would care and take the time to found out for themselves. I give up on them, they have to do it for themselves. You can's save people from themselves, they have to do for them.
I agree

[rainmaker]

New article at educate-yourself on the Blackberg shootings:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/blackburgexecutions18apr07.shtml

[limelady]

New article at educate-yourself on the Blackberg shootings:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/blackburgexecutions18apr07.shtml


That was a good article by Ken, but the Illuminati get a whole lot more from these murders than simply another step towards gun control.

They get an enormous out-pouring of angry/sad 'negative' energy which serves as food for the negative feeders who rule here. In addition to that, they get to setup an energy raising black worship ritual around the entire event.....working out the details right down to the last little point well ahead of their planned 'kill' date.

Send loads of love to the victims and their families, but don't participate in any more of their "two minutes of silence" for the victims rituals.......they will be using these occasions too for syphoning off more sad (negative) mourning energy.

Evil is too good a word to describe the scum who control these events.

[truthcommission]

That was a good article by Ken, but the Illuminati get a whole lot more from these murders than simply another step towards gun control. They get an enormous out-pouring of angry/sad 'negative' energy which serves as food for the netagive feeders who rule here...
Limelady - thanks for picking this up.

Once we (forum members) begin to see their clandestine operations we can disarm them psychically.

[amerigirl]

I've been reading the transcipts and "plays" he wrote, mentioning conspiracies and such. But they're not THAT bad, I mean, Hollywood writes waaaaaaay more and thinks up way much hatred than that boy. Can we lock them up in an asylum too?? :)

I was trying to stay on the 'norm' when this first came out as I'm pretty close to the location and can feel the sadness, but all these "signs" keep pushing me more and more to what I really feel is the truth. PURE EVIL.

I've yet to tell my family of what I feel about this (obviously I tell my husband everything tho), but at least I'll try to get them against gun control. I personally don't want to own one, but I sure hope the guy next to me does if I'm ever (forbid) in a situation.

[thoth]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/180407list.htm
This is intersting. Why do they need this? Is this so they can have a list of possible sleeper agents?

Why does the Bush administration have a list of everyone who has ever used anti-depressants?

America Blog
Wednesday April 18, 2007

Guess what? They do. From ABC News, regarding the VA Tech shooter:

Some news accounts have suggested that Cho had a history of antidepressant use, but senior federal officials tell ABC News that they can find no record of such medication in the government's files. This does not completely rule out prescription drug use, including samples from a physician, drugs obtained through illegal Internet sources, or a gap in the federal database, but the sources say theirs is a reasonably complete search.

We don't even have a list of gun owners, and we have a list of everyone who has been prescribed anti-depressants? And in fact, the article suggests that this isn't just a database of patients who use anti-depressants, it's a federal database of every prescription drug you've ever bought.

What exactly do the Bushies do with that list? And what other lists do they have of which medications you've ever taken?

[limelady]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/180407list.htm
This is intersting. Why do they need this? Is this so they can have a list of possible sleeper agents?

Why does the Bush administration have a list of everyone who has ever used anti-depressants?

America Blog
Wednesday April 18, 2007

Guess what? They do. From ABC News, regarding the VA Tech shooter:

Some news accounts have suggested that Cho had a history of antidepressant use, but senior federal officials tell ABC News that they can find no record of such medication in the government's files. This does not completely rule out prescription drug use, including samples from a physician, drugs obtained through illegal Internet sources, or a gap in the federal database, but the sources say theirs is a reasonably complete search.

We don't even have a list of gun owners, and we have a list of everyone who has been prescribed anti-depressants? And in fact, the article suggests that this isn't just a database of patients who use anti-depressants, it's a federal database of every prescription drug you've ever bought.

What exactly do the Bushies do with that list? And what other lists do they have of which medications you've ever taken?

Indeed!

But of course the 'black' mind-control programmes don't have to record their use of drugs on any 'accessable' data-base anyway, do they? God knows what they gave that poor boy to split his mind into compartments during his programming sessions! :(

[espii]

Here is a different perspective for you to think about.

Every day countless of human beings die and get slaughtered from wars,
disease, starvation, genocide, and other methods of mass murder and yet where is the outcry ? where is the outrage ?

"Every year, FDA approved drugs kill twice as many people as the total number of U.S. deaths from the Vietnam War." That's over a hundred thousand dead each year people...

"There are between 900,000 and 1.4 million children who are homeless each year here, in the richest nation in the world."



Cause and Effect.


Cho's statements:

"You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience," he said into the camera, looking down occasionally to read from his manifesto. "You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people."

"You had a hundred billion chances and ways to have avoided today," he said. "But you decided to spill my blood. You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off."

"Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats," he said. "Your golden necklaces weren't enough you snobs. Your trust funds wasn't enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything."

What happened here, i believe, ( conspiracy theories aside ), is a case of extreme bullying by the rich and wealthy towards the less fortunate.

Imagine yourself each day being humiliated, psychologically assaulted, being an emotional pushing bag. Despite all the material luxury's those "rich kids" had,
still being unfulfilled, they resorted to try and kill cho's character or spirit to make themselves feel better.

I personally have no sympathy with those that got killed because they probably caused this hell for themselves. They also take part and become the system, feeding their ego, believing the lie and delusions, buying into the deceptions that rape the earth and oppresses fellow human beings.

Who runs the mass media ? Who runs the "justice system" ? The Military ?
The IRS ? The Pharma corps ? Who is running it for The illuminati ? and who buys into it ?

They should wake up, wake up fast and now, or risk end up being hopelessly enslaved and consumed by the grays and reptiles and no one will shed a tear for them.

[loveforall]

classic problem-reaction-solution. what a tragedy, i have not read all the threads yet so forgive me if i repeat something. what struck me immediately was the place that it happened VIRGINIA, as with COLUMBINE the name is symbollic as well as the amount of victims...i cant help but think about the victims families.

if i did not know any better i would say something needs to be done however something does need to be done and its not regulating gun control or banning guns its talking to people about this agenda and how incidents like this 9/11, columbine, wars in iraq and afganistan and the brits in iranian water incite reaction and unknowingly contribute to this agenda.

what a tragedy, if we do not inform ourselves and others it will merely happen again...

peace and love

[amadeus]

Is it not strange that the killer had filed off the serial numbers of his guns? I mean if you're going to kill your self in the end, what's the point? ;)

[utukxul]

I don´t really know how the gun laws work in the us. but it feels kinda that hes just protecting the people who gave him the guns maybe....just a guess ???

[pedsi]

I noticed last night on the bbc news at 10 they were filming outside the gunshop where the guns were supposedly bought.On at least two occasians the camera zoomed into a sticker on the front door of bin ladens face inside a target with a gun on either side.Anyone else see it??::confused:

[infinitely free]

turns out he was in the r.o.t.c. program, so military related. surprise surprise

Hey, mate!

You got more info on this r.o.t.c. program :confused:

:) thanks, in advance /

[tinmenace]

Cho's statements:

"You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience," he said into the camera, looking down occasionally to read from his manifesto. "You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people."

"You had a hundred billion chances and ways to have avoided today," he said. "But you decided to spill my blood. You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off."

"Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats," he said. "Your golden necklaces weren't enough you snobs. Your trust funds wasn't enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything."




None of this makes sense. If he was being bullied, why didn't he just say it. This is very cryptic. I think this is a scripted speech. It's very unclear what he really means, and who he's talking to. More and more I'm convinced this kid is mind-controlled.

[infinitely free]

None of this makes sense. If he was being bullied, why didn't he just say it. This is very cryptic. I think this is a scripted speech. It's very unclear what he really means, and who he's talking to. More and more I'm convinced this kid is mind-controlled.

but also - 'his' body!

someone said it's been disfigured -
So, it may not be identifiable :mad:

[tinmenace]

but also - 'his' body!

someone said it's been disfigured -
So, it may not be identifiable :mad:

Oh wow! I didn't know that. Very interesting......

[infinitely free]

Oh wow! I didn't know that. Very interesting......

http://rense.com/general76/disf.htm

[tinmenace]

Thanks! :)

[tinmenace]

Thoth! Dude, your thread is popular! Look who's been visiting....LMAO

This image has been removed, until further investigation is completed. If I find that any information given to me in the PM was untrue, I will post this image again in a second! But, I will give you the benefit of the doubt....

Hello Dick! (you don't mind if I call you that, right?) Why don't you sign up for membership? Some of us here would like to have a lil chat with you....:D

[thoth]

There are also 19 circles within the FLOWER OF LIFE! The most important symbol in sacred geometry, it contains all sacred geometry within it:
http://www.crystalinks.com/merkabafol.gif

[mada88]

shooting took place in the state of "virgin"ina (virgin queen, just like "colum"bine high (dove virgin queen)

33 where killed

the guy was 23 years old

Bush went and visited a day after the shooting (it seems soo fast to be having remembences)

The queen is going to visit (you really couldn't write this stuff)

The guy was said to be on prozac and he was a "loner" (they always are, and they always kill themselfs)

Well maybe people would'nt feel like outsiders if the system worked, proof that it doesn't.

The whole thing is being used with fear.

Anybody pick up any other things? If this stuff has been said before in the post, soz lol.

[ah42]

shooting took place in the state of "virgin"ina (virgin queen, just like "colum"bine high (dove virgin queen)

33 where killed

the guy was 23 years old

Bush went and visited a day after the shooting (it seems soo fast to be having remembences)

The queen is going to visit (you really couldn't write this stuff)

The guy was said to be on prozac and he was a "loner" (they always are, and they always kill themselfs)

Well maybe people would'nt feel like outsiders if the system worked, proof that it doesn't.

The whole thing is being used with fear.

Anybody pick up any other things? If this stuff has been said before in the post, soz lol.
I followed a strange path when i noticed the Virginia tech logo, VT, looks a bit like the symbol for square root of pi (=1.77. Not sure how relevant it is). Then I noticed it looks like the symbol for the square root of 1 (=.3333 rec. more relevant). The VT symbol is used for the sport/ football team. they are called the Hokies for some reason. Here is a dictionary definition of the word Hokie:

Main Entry: hokie
Part of Speech: adj
Definition: corny and contrived, fake and melodramatic, insincerely emotional; also written [hokey]
Usage: slang

Hmmm...

The Hokies run out to a song by Metallica called Enter Sandman. Check out the lyrics:

http://www.metallica-lyrics.net/metallica-enter-sandman.html

A bit dreamscape/ mind control dont you think?

They also have a chant that the spectators sing called Old Hokie:

Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi!
Tech, Tech, VPI
Sol-a-rex, Sol-a-rah
Poly Tech Vir-gin-ia
Ray rah VPI
Team! Team! Team!

Notice the sun god/ king references?

Make of it what you will.

I'm sorry, am I boring everyone with this stuff?

[thoth]

Thoth! Dude, your thread is popular! Look who's been visiting....LMAO

This image has been removed, until further investigation is completed. If I find that any information given to me in the PM was untrue, I will post this image again in a second! But, I will give you the benefit of the doubt....

Hello Dick! (you don't mind if I call you that, right?) Why don't you sign up for membership? Some of us here would like to have a lil chat with you....:D

Whats up with the Halliburton situation?

[tinmenace]

Hey Thoth, I won't go into detail, but I received a request from a member asking me to take it down, which I have honored until I get to the bottom of this. If I find out that any part of the private message was a lie, I'm posting it again.

[cheeb]

From his video,he appears to be a very disturbed, angry young man

Self pitying,self loathing, self important

Remember his video was " apparently " made after he has already shot 2 people(no remorse or guilt>?)

there are a lot of disturbed young men in the world today,
Fortunately most of them cannot go into their local supermarkets and buy a weapon to act out their sick fantasies

Whether or not he was controlled by the CIA or whoever does the brainwashing ther e...... .who knows at this moment!

But he must have been "contaminated by something
ie he said "you have blood on your hands,you made me do this, its all your fault,1 billion times i warned you"

this is abit of a cop out

everyone else is to blame exept me"
this reminds me of the Laurel and Hardy mantra

"now look what youve made me go and do"

In psychological terms he is what is known as a "spree killer"
A person that sets out to kill people with the intention of being killed at the end.
Quess what they always 100% complete this
I beleive in America its called suicide by cops

The scientific name for this is Occams Razor"
If it is what it appears to be.....

My unscientific name is "Orvilles Razor"
_looks like a duck,talks like a duck, walks like a duck,
but you know there is someones hand so far up its backside pulling all the strings

in this case i prefer occams razor ,at the moment,as an answer,

One seriously deranged person who wanted his 15 minutes of infamy.

But all the same it does smell a bit fishy?

[tinmenace]

Cho's statements:

"You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience," he said into the camera, looking down occasionally to read from his manifesto. "You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people."

"You had a hundred billion chances and ways to have avoided today," he said. "But you decided to spill my blood. You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off."

"Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats," he said. "Your golden necklaces weren't enough you snobs. Your trust funds wasn't enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything."


"You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience,"
I dunno about anyone else, but this doesn't sound like a case of school yard bullying to me. This sounds more like he was a victim of merciless mind-control experimentation.

"You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing.
Extinguishing? A pathetic life? That's what the loomies think of us, that we are pathetic sheep, and when they brainwash you they are in fact extinguishing (or attempting to) the you inside, in order to create a fully obedient robot.

You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off."
I think he's made them pay for what they did to him in the worst possible way.

"Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats," he said. "Your golden necklaces weren't enough you snobs. Your trust funds wasn't enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything."
This is a complete departure from the first two parts. This is probably from a different part of the letter. I feel like these were combined so that people would misunderstand who Cho was pointing a finger at in the first part. I do believe he was chastising the spoiled kids in the second part, prolly the children of the MF'ers that tortured him. They have expensive cars, and I just wonder how he paid his way through school? Did he work? If so, where? Were his folks well off? These are questions I'd like answered.






Next, let's look at the photos. They weren't all taken the same day or even at the same place.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/gal.03.cho.nbc.jpg
Notice the blocked wall. I doubt his dorm room was made from those. I doubt his parents' house was like that inside. This is more of an institutional look...a prison, or something like that where they don't spend money on things like plaster.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/gal.05.cho.nbc.jpg
Again the block wall, but this time he's wearing a hoodie, and he looks a little stoned. Doesn't the shirt underneath the hoodie look khaki in color?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/gal.01.cho.nbc.jpg
I'm not sure this is a blocked wall anymore, and the biggest difference in the photo is the bruise on his forehead. So, were all these photos taken on different days? In different poses with a wardrobe for posing purposes? Or, were these taken over a period of time?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/464540811_55c88d1154_o.jpg
This is so posed. First of all, now he's in a white shirt. This is not a man angry at the world. This is a submissive person obeying instructions on which poses to strike.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/gal.10.cho.nbc.jpg
This one too. He's trying so hard to look bad with that snarl. Is it really an face of anger and hate? Not exactly.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/gal.02.cho.nbc.jpg
Whose van is he in? More importantly who's taking the photos?





This is a setup. All the media is reporting that he was insane and needed hospitalization (I would too if people were torturing me) and it's amazing how quickly all this evidence has surfaced. People don't even have a chance to process this information before yet ANOTHER piece of evidence is presented. I will never ever accept that this kid was sick in his head (before they made him sick).

[lumukanda]

curiouser and curiouser, that last pic was taken by someone, the others on a tripod maybe, but that last one, at least one other person.
of course all the pictures have been handed over to the authorities, so no one will be able to check the pictures files to see when they were taken.
good detective work there tinmenace!

[truthcommission]

I really take my hat off to you Tin. You are onto to something and like a bloodhound are hunting it down mercilessly.

By the way can someone do some reverse speech on Cho and see what that turns up?

[mada88]

I followed a strange path when i noticed the Virginia tech logo, VT, looks a bit like the symbol for square root of pi (=1.77. Not sure how relevant it is). Then I noticed it looks like the symbol for the square root of 1 (=.3333 rec. more relevant). The VT symbol is used for the sport/ football team. they are called the Hokies for some reason. Here is a dictionary definition of the word Hokie:

Main Entry: hokie
Part of Speech: adj
Definition: corny and contrived, fake and melodramatic, insincerely emotional; also written [hokey]
Usage: slang

Hmmm...

The Hokies run out to a song by Metallica called Enter Sandman. Check out the lyrics:

http://www.metallica-lyrics.net/metallica-enter-sandman.html

A bit dreamscape/ mind control dont you think?

They also have a chant that the spectators sing called Old Hokie:

Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi!
Tech, Tech, VPI
Sol-a-rex, Sol-a-rah
Poly Tech Vir-gin-ia
Ray rah VPI
Team! Team! Team!

Notice the sun god/ king references?

Make of it what you will.

I'm sorry, am I boring everyone with this stuff?

I done a training course with a company called VT Training lol theres something about VT.

About the "lone" gunman, maybe people should be asking what makes people do these things. What type of system creates murders? People are pushed outside of the box and are cruely abused (mentally) for it! And when people get pushed too far they do flip and I mean lose it. And they are the insane ones! what crap! In a bloody insane society.

The system says you need things and if you don't have them you are a loser. In an insane world! lol you have to laugh If you fight back you are just giving it what it needs to keep going. You can't beat the game only play it? Well then don't play the game.

[tinmenace]

Thanks guys! This is absolutely not what it seems. Of that I'm sure. If Cathy O'Brien said there was a facility in this town, it wouldn't surprise me if this kid got caught up in it somehow.

He was on a green card, maybe his family members are too. Leverage for them to force the family to keep a low profile in this and not to contradict the official version of events, under threat of being deported for something they'll railroad them with....no doubt.

[tinmenace]

One more thing about the photos. The 'aggressive' photos are all posed in a black shirt. The 'submissive' photo is posed in a white shirt.

Very interesting.

[truthcommission]

One more thing about the photos. The 'aggressive' photos are all posed in a black shirt. The 'submissive' photo is posed in a white shirt.

Very interesting.
Keen observation. It doesn't take a psychologist to work that out for you.

Its in YOUR face.

[truthcommission]

As an added thought....

You know when you meet someone and they are really in YOUR FACE. Whats the first thing you do?

You don't cozy up to them and listen to them intently. You shrink away as if to say GO AWAY.

This is the same thing.

This video wasn't released accidentally. It was planned meticulously from top to bottom.

In YOUR FACE right there!

[saturn]

the way this guy was acting makes me doubt the footage was taken on the same day of the shootings. he had already shot two people when this video was made. shouldn't he be acting in a more crazed manner, high from the adrenalin rush of the first two killings? IMO he was way too calm. and the things he was saying. one would have thought that he would be sobbing or sound broken or hysterical as he talked about how he felt 'they' had vandalised him. he was too detached. i thought that bit where he said 'you will all have blood on your hands' was interesting. i think he meant his programmers. and why did he not mention the girl he was supposedly infatuated with and had just killed?

i don't think he was the killer. he is a scapegoat. when these evil people kill they immediately provide a scapegoat in the aftermath and while everyone is concentrating on that, they are busy destroying evidence of what really happened. this is what is happening now. they released this video so that the world can focus on it while they run around covering their tracks.

[truthcommission]

IMO he was way too calm. and the things he was saying. one would have thought that he would be sobbing or sound broken or hysterical as he talked about how he felt 'they' had vandalised him. he was too detached....
You noticed that too Saturn? Its a classic example of trauma based mind control.

[siliconpsychosis]

So the photos of Cho could have all been filmed as part of his 'therapy'. He was encouraged to express himself, holding various weapons, and also by talking and expressing his feelings. Once adequate evidence was assembled, Cho could act as the decoy in a possible future shooting.
Queen announces shes coming to Virginia (5 months ago I think), and that means in lizard terms, sacrifice some people to proclaim my arrival.
Assassin goes to work and Cho gets framed for it.
Much more simple this way. He didn't even kill anyone, but fits the profile.

[mada88]

If the guy wasn't mind controlled (unlikely!) he must have been pushed to the edge by bullying. And it does happen beyond school. The mental is worse than the physical name calling and all that shit. Why do the "strong" pick on the weak? is it because strong people on the inside are like jelly? or is it the pack mentality, some of the matrixs finest work. We really aren't different from animals, the real base of the matrix programming.
Maybe on the other hand the reason people get picked on is because they don't conform to the horse shit and offer a different view. Maybe the bullies are telling the person that they are weak of lacking in certain areas?

Its all gunna change and not change at the same time.

[tinmenace]

Assassin goes to work and Cho gets framed for it. Much more simple this way. He didn't even kill anyone, but fits the profile.

Yeah, which brings me back to WHY AND HOW THE DOORS WERE CHAINED FROM THE INSIDE?

Where did the chains come from? This is a detail that I just can't figure out.

Also no way the photos were taken on the same day. His hair is different lengths and he's wearing different clothing. Also, what's up with that rugburn on his forehead?

[tinmenace]

The gunman again shot Colin, hitting him in the shoulder and buttocks. Then he walked to the front of the classroom, she said.

Two gunshots were followed by silence.

Police broke that silence as they stormed the room, shouting, "shooter down! black tag!"

Click for Source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/vtech.victims/index.html)

Huh?? He missed the first time, trying to commit suicide? Is it just me, or is this weird?

[tinmenace]

I want to ask you all something...maybe I'm just crazy...but do the guys in these two photos look like the same person?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/gal.05.cho.nbc.jpg

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/464540811_55c88d1154_o.jpg

The guy in the photo at the top has a very short chin. From the bottom of his lip to the bottom curve of his chin, is fairly short, right?

The guy in the second photo has a longer chin. Even if he closed his mouth, that wouldn't decrease the length of his chin. It looks very different to me, also the fact that he has his eyes closed, so it's hard to say for sure that this was Cho. The hairline also looks a little different to me...

Am I off the mark here? :confused:

What if they accidentally added that photo and it's actually of someone else? What if there are more kids like this out there? Also the obvious white vs black shirt.

[mcmenek1]

Yeah, which brings me back to WHY AND HOW THE DOORS WERE CHAINED FROM THE INSIDE?

Where did the chains come from? This is a detail that I just can't figure out.



Hi tinmenace,

I've also been thinking about this..............If a Black Operations Team did go into the building to massacre the people.......then they would completely lock the building down before hand i.e. seal off all the main exits.....there would also be marksmen out side covering the windows.......there would be two reasons for this........firstly to stop anyone coming in to the building and observing the situation......and secondly and most importantly to stop any witness to the Black Operations Team massacre escaping and blowing the whistle on the official "Bullshit" story........this would be a very good reason would it not......to chain the doors.


Love
&
Peac

[amerigirl]

I know this wasn't one of your big questions, but just to answer how he paid for VT would be grants. If he and his family came here from a foreign country and apply for college then they mostly get a free ride. Trust me, I know. My birth certificate says Native American and I completely don't look like one. I usually answer "white" on forms, but for my college applications and grants I put Native American so it could get paid for.
Not much coverage here of it today b/c of the NASA shootings. I have many friends who go to VT and are angered and upset about the news media showing these pics and videos.

[limelady]

tinmenace I want to ask you all something...maybe I'm just crazy...but do the guys in these two photos look like the same person?

Hi tin

I have worked with photographs (was a photo retoucher in our own photographic studio), and yes, in my opinion this is the same guy shot with two different camera angles and with different lighting... which makes his jaw look longer.

But these photos were definitely taken at different times.

[tinmenace]

Thanks Lime, I appreciate that! :)

I took a look at a different photo and compared the left ear and could tell that it was the same person. He looks heavier, or maybe younger with more 'baby' fat on his face in the white-shirt photo. So, this has been going on a long time, and yes, the photos were taken on different dates. I wouldn't be surprised if they're months apart.

[tinmenace]

The statement, in part, by Sun-Kyung Cho, sister of Seung-Hui Cho, on behalf of herself and her family:


...This is someone that I grew up with and loved. Now I feel like I didn't know this person...We have always been a close, peaceful and loving family...We never could have envisioned that he was capable of so much violence...and a lot of questions are left unanswered...We have many unanswered questions as well...

Click for Source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/20/shooting.family.statement/index.html)


I dunno 'bout y'all, but I'd love to hear what THEIR questions are.

[thoth]

April 22 - Lyrids Meteor Shower. The Lyrids are an average shower, usually producing about 20 meteors per hour at their peak. The shower will peak this year on April 22, although some meteors will be visible from April 16 - 25. The evening crescent moon will set early allowing for an excellent viewing experience. Look for meteors radiating from the constellation of Lyra after midnight.

I wonder if this has anything to do with this week.

[thoth]

The next day after the shootings, there was a new moon on the 17th.

[graflok]

Two or three nights before the VA Tech incident there was an interesting show aired on the Discovery Channel.
The show is called MythBusters and it's one of the most popular on that network. The show also happens to be
extremely popular with college students, especially tech-oriented students. (They've had MIT students and
faculty on the show, etc.)

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8161/mythbusterszf8.jpg

In each episode these 2 guys take on various urban myths and test them to see if they're valid or not. If not,
they're declared "busted."

So, coincidentally, a few days before the VA Tech shootings they have a new episode in which they tackle the
"myth" that a person can be hypnotized and given a command to do something against their moral code.

To illustrate the point, they show a clip from one of the "Naked Gun" comedy movies. The clip shows a woman who is
given a secret signal which puts her in a trance state where she pulls out a gun, points it at a man and pulls the
trigger repeatedly. Then she turns the gun on herself and does the same. The scene is a spoof of the "Manchurian
Candidate" type mind-control assassins. The clip from the movie is shown right there on the MythBusters show.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/171/shooteroy1.jpg

All this is done for laughs, of course. Ha ha ha. :cool:

Then the MythBusters go to a clinical hypnotist who puts one of them in a trance and gives a mild post-hypnotic
suggestion to do some trivial thing at a certain signal. Later, the signal is given and the subject fails to do the
commanded action. So, this "myth" is declared "busted." That is, they supposedly proved you can't hypnotize
a person and give them a command to do something they wouldn't ordinarily do (which is, of course, BS).

Anyway, I just thought it was an odd coincidence that this show aired just 2 or 3 days before the shootings and that it
dealt with "debunking" the idea of mind-control assassins and that it is so popular with college students.


By the way, just to illustrate the state of mind of the producers of this show ...

In the same episode, during another segment, they displayed a diagram on the screen to illustrate another myth
they were discussing having to do with sound:
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9427/diagram1ox6.jpg

But, during this explanation a hand inexplicably appears from below, gives the satanic salute and then leaves the frame: :confused:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9008/diagram2fn4.jpg

No mention is made of this little bit of business and it has nothing to do with the diagram or story.

Am I nuts or is all of this a little weird?

graflok

[tinmenace]

Wow! My husband normally watches that show religiously. I think he missed this episode. I think it's a helluva coincidence if nothing else.

Gawd...I love those guys! I would hate to think....naaah! They would never knowingly do it...:(

[graflok]

I've enjoyed the show too. I think I've seen most every episode.

I'm sure Adam and Jamie are not necessarily responsible for the entire content of the show.

In the world of television, the network is God and one must do what the network wants.

graflok

[oneofmany]

The Mythbuster guys never go into enough detail in their experiments. It has happened time and again on their show, and it just goes to prove that if you go in with a pre conceived idea of how the experiment should turn out, then it is more than likely that it will turn out as you had hoped, especially if you slant the experiments to turn out in your favour as I have seen them do. eg going half assed on an experiment because of cost, this happens all the time on this show. another example is setting up the experiment to fail, which I have also seen on this show. Mythbusters.......BUSTED

[awakensong]

This from Alex Jones' site:

Sources: Feds Ordered VA Police To Stand Down
Local authorities were told to take no action to pursue killer
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/200407standdown.htm

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, April 20, 2007

Police and EMT workers at Virginia Tech tell us that campus police were given a federal order to stand down and not pursue killer Cho Seung-Hui as Monday's bloodshed unfolded.Though wishing to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, we have received calls from police and EMT's who tell us that a stand down order was in place, and this is also confirmed by eyewitness Matt Kazee, who is a Blacksburg local. Kazee talked to local EMT's and police who told him the same thing, that the order was to wait until federal back up arrived before any action was taken. This explains the complete non-response of the police in the two hour gap between Cho's first two murders and the wider rampage that would follow later that morning.The policy of federal control over the University was put in place following a previous shooting in August 2006 in which a police officer and a hospital security guard were killed.

In addition, a former long-term University police officer, George French, told the Alex Jones Show that it is routine to seal off a campus on which a suspected gunman is loose.

“Setting up a series of roadblocks, controlling access to very large pieces of property, is very much routine on any university campus in Canada and in the United States,” said French. "After a double homicide, when you’re looking for a dangerous fellow with a firearm, I find it unfathomable that a series of roadblocks weren’t set up…to prevent the felon from escaping."

French could find no logical conclusion other than deliberate inaction on the part of officials. “We have another coordinated, allowed event…the parallels are so common in each case; you can write the script in advance.”
=====

And a selected reader's comment (out of over 100 comments):

READER COMMENT - prisonplanet.com
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/sonof101/200407standdown/

No witness has identified Cho as being the shooter. No, I'm not wrong, you are if you believe so. Please read more carefully.

Witnesses are quoted as referring to the murderer as "the shooter" or "the gunman", never as "Cho". The writers of articles then put words in the mouths of these witnesses, and sometimes state: Mr 'Smith' said Cho bla bla bla, which is false, and carries no inverted commas so that they cannot get accused by the interviewee of quoting them incorrectly. One witness has stated that the shooter was wearing a mask.

If this is true, then how could the media state, shortly after the killings, on the same day, that the killer, according to some survivors (they never gave a SINGLE name for one of these alleged survivors) was a "tall Asian man".How would you be able to tell the person was Asian if they were wearing a mask and did not speak? Cho, who supposedly hates the world, sends the SOLE copy of his "manifesto" to NBC??? Boy he sure did trust them, or did he?

Why not upload it on Youtube? To make absolutely sure people got to see it? Hmm?Here there is a "disconnect", which suggests that the idea to send it to NBC, came from the mind of a person of an older generation than Cho.Then, you have the video itself. Well, in some clips he is reading from a script (from a play he was writing for his creative writing classes?), and in others he is acting out scenes from a Korean movie called "Oldboy", and nowhere at all does he categorically state that he is going to do what he is alleged to have done.

So for the time being, my feeling is he was set-up to be the patsy, and some other person carried out the assassinations and put video clips together to frame him as the murderer, once they had access to his computer *.

* Which, ladies and gentleman, perfectly answers the mystery surrounding the decision to shoot a couple of people first, prepare the video and mail it, and then go and shoot all the others two hours later (the time it took to prepare a half- convincing video "manifesto/ confession" from random clips found on Cho's computer?). People tend to ignore the fact that mind-control is not only employed to create assassins, but also to create the perfect patsies.Feds told cops to stay out of the building. So when the Feds came, the assassin could slip out amongst them, and they could slip in Cho's body.

Hey maybe I'm wrong, and I am speculating yes (though it does fit), but please calm down with all this "Cho did it" assumptions. You don't know that he did, because no witness has identified him, I repeat - NO witness (read more carefully), and bear in mind the media has worked very hard to get you to believe it was him.For all we know, it could have been that bastard Lon Horiuchi (Waco) who did it, you know?i.e. First things first. Are we sure he was the killer? Let's make sure before accepting it as history.

Thanks for reading. Take care everyone.

[gordonfreeman]

No witnesses......I wonder.

Man, people believe what the News networks says. They are so stupid, thinking that the political bastards and the media are the ones who is always true and never lie. Which is false, even though the camera is there. They won't send a helicopter during the massacre, which is weird. Instead they send in the firefighters! Almost every breaking news have a sky camera. But this massacre doesn't.

I hate it, when HUmans use racist slurs to a bad/blamed person that is responsible to the negative things. They need to 'wake up' and disbelieve false truths.

[siliconpsychosis]

Great work by those unravelling the mystery, especially tinmenace for sheer perseverance. Im totally convinced Cho did not murder these innocent people, and I am sure many others feel the same way.
One other thought, why has no CCTV footage been released? Either in the school, Cho with a gun, or on the way to post his clips to NBC. I think we know why not. Because the clips would clearly show that someone else was the real perpetrator.
My heart goes out to all the victims, and also to Cho and his family for the deception that surrounds the whole incident.

[tinmenace]

Awakensong, thanks for posting that article (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31836&postcount=120). Brilliant find! As this thing was going down and I heard that the doors were chained from the inside, I KNEW that something was wrong.

Yes, the media got right on it all, giving the name of the 'killer' and his mental history, and unnamed sources saying he was weird and stalked people...officials that didn't know him at all calling him a loner....and then two shots fired as he committed suicide...??? NOT one bit of this adds up!

[tinmenace]

Great work by those unravelling the mystery, especially tinmenace for sheer perseverance.

Thank you!:D

[neutron flux]

Excellent article:

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/130645-Project+Paperclip%2C+MKULTRA%2C+Dr.+Greenbaum+and+ Seung+Hui+Cho%3A+Was+the+VA+Tech+Gunman+Mind+Progr ammed%3F

[limelady]

graflok said......Then the MythBusters go to a clinical hypnotist who puts one of them in a trance and gives a mild post-hypnotic
suggestion to do some trivial thing at a certain signal. Later, the signal is given and the subject fails to do the
commanded action. So, this "myth" is declared "busted." That is, they supposedly proved you can't hypnotize
a person and give them a command to do something they wouldn't ordinarily do (which is, of course, BS).

The Mythbusters TV show episode does seem like a 'strange' coincidence, but there's a hellava beg difference between hypnotic suggestion given by a clinical hypnotherapist, and that experienced as full-blown MKULTRA/Monach trauma-based mind-programming... which splits the psyche into compartmentalised 'alters' who are unaware of each other.

Having said that, the average Joe and Jane Bloggs wouldn't have a bloody clue would they? A show like that would be likely to convince them of anything simply because it was on the telly. :(

[tinmenace]

Agreed!

[thoth]

Mythbusters eh? The whole damn thing is probably run by the cia or something. You guys are not feeling me on this astology thing. Why do you think things are happening this week! There is some astological events that are happening, which is the bases for almost all of their activities.

[tinmenace]

Sorry Bud, not discounting it at all, just off on a different direction and can't seem to multitask. It really doesn't surprise me that they would use the energy from such an event to boost their agenda. In fact I'd be surprised if they missed it.

[limelady]

Mythbusters eh? The whole damn thing is probably run by the cia or something. You guys are not feeling me on this astology thing. Why do you think things are happening this week! There is some astological events that are happening, which is the bases for almost all of their activities.

Sorry thoth, I didn't mean to ignore your post either. Like tin, I just nodded my head in agreement with what you wrote......I guess I'm just used to the PTB using such 'cosmic' occasions to perform their blood rituals and cast their evil spells.

The Lyrids Meteor Shower doesn't peak until tomorrow (22nd), so the week long ritual is probably not finished yet....they'll use the energy to the hilt!

[tinmenace]

There's a doubled digit number again....22.

Quite incredible really.

[whitelightrabbit]

this thread is incredible. good work everyone. i wouldnt be suprised if this gets censored or the forum goes down. :(

[mcmenek1]

Then the MythBusters go to a clinical hypnotist who puts one of them in a trance and gives a mild post-hypnotic
suggestion to do some trivial thing at a certain signal. Later, the signal is given and the subject fails to do the
commanded action. So, this "myth" is declared "busted." That is, they supposedly proved you can't hypnotize
a person and give them a command to do something they wouldn't ordinarily do (which is, of course, BS).

Anyway, I just thought it was an odd coincidence that this show aired just 2 or 3 days before the shootings and that it
dealt with "debunking" the idea of mind-control assassins and that it is so popular with college students.




Wow!!...... great find their graflok......timing is everything to "The Powers That Be" and the timing of this program would have been deliberate to have maximum effect on the minds of the watching public........of course this is a form of mind control in its self.......by getting the TV watching public to think exactly what you want them to think

Good Post.......:)

Love
&
Peace

[awakensong]

Excellent article:

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/130645-Project+Paperclip%2C+MKULTRA%2C+Dr.+Greenbaum+and+ Seung+Hui+Cho%3A+Was+the+VA+Tech+Gunman+Mind+Progr ammed%3F

Thank you for this, neutron flux. I've been reading at the first link so far, and it is very good information. I would really recommend it, especially at the end of the article where they show pictures of Cho before and after programming. I also think the picture of him that has been shown, where he was younger and in a car and smiling, is also of him before programming.

I also think it is totally TOTALLY bogus that Cho's sister was the actual author of the "letter of apology to the world" that they read on TV. We are being told that the family is 'under threat' and being moved on a daily basis. I believe they are being held hostage so as not to tell us the real truth about their son and brother Cho. That is the threat they are under, imo.

[awakensong]

I would like to comment on the "before and after" pictures of Cho as found at the end of the article in the Signs of the Times newsletter.

It claims:

http://www.songofcelestia.com/pics/Chi_before.jpg

"Cho Before Programming"
------------------------------


http://www.songofcelestia.com/pics/cho_after.jpg

"Cho After Programming"
-------------------------------


Does anyone EVEN think these are the same two men? Look at the difference in the length and width of the faces. The fact that you can see almost all of the first man's ears but hardly any of the second man's. The difference in the width of their eyes and mouths. The difference in their hairlines. Even with 'bangs', the first Cho would be showing more hairline with one that far back. Even the eyebrows are not quite the same.

I think the second man is OLDER than the first. This might be the Chinese man they were talking about, and this is the one on the videos speaking.

What does anyone else think?

[louisehay]

Here is an excerpt from the wsws

"It should be noted that Virginia Tech has close historical connections to the US military. According to an article in the Richmond Times-Dispatch in May 2005, the university has “become the nation’s top producer of Navy and Marine Corps officers among universities and colleges with the exception of the US Naval Academy.” From 2000 to 2005, Virginia Tech produced nearly 220 naval and marine officers.

The Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets is one of only six senior military colleges outside the federal military academies. The university is one of only two in the country that maintains a full time Corps of Cadets within a large university. According to the latter’s web site, “Since 1872, the Corps of Cadets has produced outstanding leaders for the Commonwealth and the Nation. Seven of our alumni have earned the Medal of Honor, a number exceeded only by West Point and Annapolis. Over 100 of our graduates have been promoted to General and Flag Officer rank.”

http://wsws.org/articles/2007/apr2007/virg-a17.shtml

[awakensong]

This is also from the same wsws article:

Following the massacre in Blacksburg, George W. Bush issued an empty statement, declaring that “Schools should be places of safety and sanctuary and learning. When that sanctuary is violated, the impact is felt in every American classroom and every American community. Today, our nation grieves with those who have lost loved ones at Virginia Tech. We hold the victims in our hearts, we lift them up in our prayers, and we ask a loving God to comfort those who are suffering today.” This is from a man who loses no sleep over bombs dropped on Iraqi or Afghan schools.

[druidee]

Theres also the signature & name written on his wrist of "Ismail Ax".

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2007/04/18/1176696883328.html?from=top5

http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=834
Ismail Ax “is a well known phrase in the Muslim world. The Muslims believe that the [Old Testament] is wrong in saying that Abraham was supposed to kill Isaac with a knife, rather they believe he was supposed to kill Ishmael (Ismail) with an Axe. They also believe that Abraham was supposed to go out and attack idols with an axe, and some also attribute the phrase to meaning that Ishmael was supposed to kill Isaac, the father of all Western culture, with an axe… Cho was a South Korean immigrant to the US, but it seems undeniable that his killing spree, at least in part, was motivated by some sort of belief in Islam.”

Or could this be some more propaganda against islam? :confused:

[tinmenace]

I would like to comment on the "before and after" pictures of Cho as found at the end of the article in the Signs of the Times newsletter.

It claims:

http://www.songofcelestia.com/pics/Chi_before.jpg

"Cho Before Programming"
------------------------------


http://www.songofcelestia.com/pics/cho_after.jpg

"Cho After Programming"
-------------------------------


Does anyone EVEN think these are the same two men? Look at the difference in the length and width of the faces. The fact that you can see almost all of the first man's ears but hardly any of the second man's. The difference in the width of their eyes and mouths. The difference in their hairlines. Even with 'bangs', the first Cho would be showing more hairline with one that far back. Even the eyebrows are not quite the same.

I think the second man is OLDER than the first. This might be the Chinese man they were talking about, and this is the one on the videos speaking.

What does anyone else think?

That's exactly what I asked in this earlier post (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31712&postcount=108)

I want to ask you all something...maybe I'm just crazy...but do the guys in these two photos look like the same person?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/gal.05.cho.nbc.jpg

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/464540811_55c88d1154_o.jpg

The guy in the photo at the top has a very short chin. From the bottom of his lip to the bottom curve of his chin, is fairly short, right?

The guy in the second photo has a longer chin. Even if he closed his mouth, that wouldn't decrease the length of his chin. It looks very different to me, also the fact that he has his eyes closed, so it's hard to say for sure that this was Cho. The hairline also looks a little different to me...

Am I off the mark here?

What if they accidentally added that photo and it's actually of someone else? What if there are more kids like this out there? Also the obvious white vs black shirt.

[tinmenace]

He looks so remarkably different! Like you said, before mind-control and after mind-control.

I struggle to see it's the same person. Even his ears, in one picture his ears are sticking out a little bit, and in the other one they're flat......

[awakensong]

I'm just wondering about the difference in my two pics, where one of the "Chos" is wearing glasses and the other isn't.

The glasses are a real question all by themselves. Were they needed during the shootings? Was the shooter wearing glasses?

I also agree that the two men in your pics are different. Totally.

[graflok]

I'm just wondering about the difference in my two pics, where one of the "Chos" is wearing glasses and the other isn't.

The glasses are a real question all by themselves. Were they needed during the shootings? Was the shooter wearing glasses?

The report I saw said the shooter was wearing a mask but they said nothing about glasses.

Personally, I doubt Cho was the shooter. Cho was the patsy. They got a pro to do the shooting.

graflok

[tinmenace]

Awakensong said: The glasses are a real question all by themselves. Were they needed during the shootings? Was the shooter wearing glasses?


Keen observation! Yes, I was wondering about that myself, but then dismissed it to contact lenses, or possibly lasik surgery.

I compared the white t-shirt photo with another photo where his head is turned and you can tell by the ear that it really is him, without a doubt, like Limelady pointed out. But the thing for me is the amazing changes, like the chin and the ears.

[graflok]

I would like to comment on the "before and after" pictures of Cho as found at the end of the article in the Signs of the Times newsletter.

<snip>

Does anyone EVEN think these are the same two men?

What does anyone else think?

I think the 2 pictures look exactly alike ... except for the eyes, the shape of the head, the chin, the cheek bones, the mouth, the ears, the nose, the glasses, the eyebrows and the hair. :cool: (JOKE)

graflok

[tinmenace]

I think the 2 pictures look exactly alike ... except for the eyes, the shape of the head, the chin, the cheek bones, the mouth, the ears, the nose, the glasses, the eyebrows and the hair. :cool:

graflok

Take another look at the ears, Graf. In one photo they're kinda sticking out a little, and in the other, they seem quite flat.

[druidee]

Forgive me if I am wrong but is'nt trauma based mind control only effective if the victim is traumatised at an early age? iow up to the age of 6 years old. If I am not mistaken then those two pics would not be of Cho in & out of mind control, but they would be of Cho in two different alter's or as you say Tin, two diff pics? :confused:

Frequent traumas, which split the mind of a child before the age of six, will produce multiple personality states. This is also known as dissociative identity disorder. This is one reason why the programming must be done in early childhood and in some cases, infancy and in utero.

[tinmenace]

Forgive me if I am wrong but is'nt trauma based mind control only effective if the victim is traumatised at an early age? iow up to the age of 6 years old. If I am not mistaken then those two pics would not be of Cho in & out of mind control, but they would be of Cho in two different alter's or as you say Tin, two diff pics? :confused:

Yes! Wow. Two different alters. Makes sense because it's definitely two different people in the same body. That's as clear as day. Mind-control can take place, even as an adult. Ever see the Manchurian Candidate? I don't doubt for a second that they have all kinds of implants, chemicals and chips. Now, instead of spending years creating a honeycomb mind, they simply insert the device and control you electronically. Makes me wonder about his shaved head. I wonder if he had some scars? Other than one tiny little one on his hairline in the front, I haven't noticed any others.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven, and I just hope these creeps get busted. Already A LOT of people are all over this, calling it a setup and questioning the official version. People are so much more awake than 6 years ago.

I was listening to the Hannity show on talk radio today for about 10 minutes (that's really all I can stand!), and a caller said how Cho was all over the news and media and you couldn't escape it, and yet footage of 9/11 and the "murder of Americans on 9/11 by bin Laden" isn't shown anymore......and so on.

I wish I could have called right then to say "The reason they don't want you to watch the 9/11 footage anymore is because they don't want you to question inconsistencies. The quicker the details fade in your mind, the better for them. Then, with the Cho incident, they are ramming it down your throat because they need you to believe this version of events and not question for a minute that it could have been anyone else".

It's all loomie media tactic to bend our minds and manipulate our perceptions. :mad:

[rasnalgoul]

Its amazing how I assumed Cho had been the shooter. I mean I knew something was up you know, I figured he was mind controlled but in the back of my head, Cho killed the people. Ive got to remember when I first here things on the news or coming from other things that it is probably a complete and total lie and I have to keep it on a shallow level. The post that talked about the fact there arent any witnesses really made me look at it all in perspective

[graflok]

Take another look at the ears, Graf. In one photo they're kinda sticking out a little, and in the other, they seem quite flat.

You know I was joking, right?

If not, read my last post again. :)

graflok

[tinmenace]

Oh gawd....ROFLMAO...sorry, I'm such a ditz ...totally didn't read it right...... sorry...LMAO

[siliconpsychosis]

Here is a synopsis of the discrepancies that exist surrounding the recent Virginia Shooting. Please add to this list if I have missed anything out.

Why were the doors chained?

Why was the campus not under police control after the first shootings?

Why the police lock down and unwillingness to enter the second building?

Why the lack of CCTV footage in and around the campus? Either Cho in the building with a gun, or on his way to the post office.

Why such a high fatality rate? 60 % fatality rate is extraordinary. A trained assassin perhaps?

Are all the Cho images really one person?

Why no specific mention of killing 2 people in the video images, particularly since Cho was supposed to be infatuated by the girl? Or why no specific mention that he was about to go and kill more people?

Ismail Ax? Did the murderer write this on Chos arm as an anti Islam statement? Is this a red herring?

Why no witnesses seem to have openly said 'I saw Cho shooting those people'?.

Why were 2 gunshots heard at the end? Did Cho shoot himself twice?

Why were the serial numbers erased from the guns? If Cho was willing to kill himself, why would he care if the guns origins could be identified? Were they planted on him?

Some accounts suggest Chos face was disfigured and virtually unrecognisable, and that he shot hiumself through the back of the head. Strange way to shoot yourself perhaps?

Together we are cracking this case.

[tinmenace]

Brilliant list!! Well done indeed!

Perhaps we should mail this list to the media, and tell them that we have a few questions, and that until they are satisfactorily answered we will continue to believe that it's an inside job (again).

Good job! ;)

PS. Do you mind if I mail these questions to CNN and Fox?

[siliconpsychosis]

Feel free Tinmenace.

Perhaps it would be a good idea if we could somehow piece together a timeline of what we think really happened in Virginia. Unravelling events in a manner that explains the discrepancies we have strengthens our case for a coverup. I imagine the biggest disagreement we may have is exactly wether or not Cho killed any of the people or not. Was he mind controlled or was he simply killed and set up?

[tinmenace]

You have a really good head on your shoulders dontcha? ;) Fantastic!

While you do that, I want to see if I can find out more about what Cathy O'Brien was talking about when she mentioned this town (possibly). As mentioned in this thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2918).

I'll come back to you with what I've found. Let me know if you need help, although I think you have a good handle on this ;)

[siliconpsychosis]

Ok folks, I have just been watching a tribute video of the shooting, and Tinmenace has helpfully clipped this frame for me. Who is the guy being arrested?

Is this Cho? Alive?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/whoisthis.jpg

[tinmenace]

Ok folks, I have just been watching a tribute video of the shooting, and Tinmenace has helpfully clipped this frame for me. Who is the guy being arrested?

Is this Cho? Alive?


And if it's not Cho, why are they treating THIS person differently? Did they know ahead of time that the patsie was Asian?

[siliconpsychosis]

According to this link,

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/04/16/31-dead-in-virginia-tech-shooting-shooter-was-asian/

the guy handcuffed was a campus newspaper reporter. He was identified by the editor of the newspaper on FNC. Can this be verified?

Good point Tinmenace. I think you may be right here.

[siliconpsychosis]

According to this site ,

http://www.nowpublic.com/the_waiting_is_worse_than_the_killing

All telephone lines into the Virginia college town were jammed; no calls were getting through.

Were the authorities preventing possible phonecalls and REAL descriptions of the killer being sent out of the campus?

[jinjo5]

i knew someone would point it out, 33 killed and 33rd degree masons could be interesting.
Dont worry mate,the slightest,tenuous connection and itll be on this site.

[tinmenace]

In the 1990s Blacksburg was the site of the Blacksburg Electronic Village, created as a project of Virginia Tech. It is also the home of the Military's MLK mind control program.

Click for Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksburg%2C_Virginia#History)

Dig dig dig....:mad:

[tinmenace]

Anyone notice the crappy resolution on Google Earth of Blacksburg Virginia?

Why??

Most USA cities are nice and crisp.

[siliconpsychosis]

Interesting suggestion on this site as to the Virginia shooting.

http://www.quatloos.com/qforum/viewtopic.php?t=308

The suggestion is made that the shooting was a false flag terrorist attack, royally staged black ops operation, and that the murderers were brought to the scene of the crime by FBI penetration agents.

Also this link http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=838

Small Corporate Media Lie Concerning VT Massacre
Saturday April 21st 2007, 1:17 am

Although it may seem like a small, insignificant detail, the fact the VT killings are not the “largest domestic massacre in US history,” as the media tells us, says a lot about not only the laziness and shoddiness of corporate media journalists, but also the urgency of the effort to spin and pass off lies as truth, blow things out of proportion, and generally fear-monger in an attempt to kill off the Second Amendment.

In 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, school board member Andrew Kehoe, who was upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of a school building, blew up the Bath Consolidated School, killing 45 people and injuring 58, mostly grade school children. Like Cho Seung-Hui, Kehoe killed himself after accomplishing his dastardly deed. “As rescuers started gathering at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle, killing himself and the school superintendent, and killing and injuring several others,” notes Wikipedia.

In a now established pattern, the corporate media is working closely with the government to build the official story, never mind the inconsistencies, glaring omissions, and plain stupid explanations we are expected to accept as fact. If the Bath School disaster demonstrates anything, it is that the corporate media will omit certain facts in an effort to push the official version of events, as they did on September 11, 2001 and the years since. Now, closing in on six years out from that event, to question the official version is considered by many in the corporate media to be a form of treason and disrespect for the dead. In likewise fashion, to question or not sympathize with the victims of the VT incident is considered a punishable offense, as Colorado student Max Karson discovered soon after the event.


This link shows how Max Karson was arrested for what were deemed as sympathetic remarks towards the Virginia gunman.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Apr18/0,4670,VirginiaTechColorado,00.html


Another example of 'deny our version of events ' and you will be punished for dissent. That in itself suggests a coverup to me.

[awakensong]

I very much like the idea of sending those questions to Fox and CNN. Could I suggest that you "cc" the following, and anyone else that comes to mind:

http://www.infowars.com/contact.html
johnrapapport@nomorefakenews.com
george@coasttocoastam.com
artbell@mindspring.com

Another question might be why there has been no handwriting comparison/analysis of Cho and whoever wrote the "manifesto" - or was it word-processed? What about the address on the envelope to NBC? Handwritten or word-processed? What about fingerprints on the envelope and manifesto? We saw the 'reader' of these documents on the video and he didn't appear to be wearing gloves.

The clerk at the post office, saying she "has no comment". Does this mean she can tell it isn't the same man the media is showing as "Cho", which could mean the real shooter is still alive, and she fears for her life and that of her loved ones? Or maybe she actually has told the media this and they are not allowed to say so to the public.

What about surveillance cameras inside the post office? Why aren't we seeing the footage from his alleged visit there?

The following article may also add another question for the media:
http://www.nomorefakenews.com/index.php - Coverup about Cho's meds.

[mrguitarbear]

Slightly OT , but I find the media compliance with the official version of the story worrying. There are obvious inconsistencies in the Government's version of events , yet the media does nothing to expose them. In fact , it is even helping to consolidate the Government's story.

The mainstream media is now just a mouthpiece for propaganda.

Here in Britain , most newspapers now seem to concentrate on stories about worthless celebrities who have only a modicum of talent. What happened to investigative journalism , honesty and integrity ?

[joffausy]

:cool: Yeh problem reaction solution no doubt about it another ingenius blood lust feast orchestrated from US lizards in washington dc.
To think the lecturer at my aussie uni just couldnt wait to tell the theatre about the days events hoping it wouldnt happen in au. Well while may have shortcomings here in au however we do seem to have figured out that common sense requires tough gun laws and I dont understand why this is so hard for the US intellect to figure out.btw org crime in Au can still get hold of any kind weapon whenever they want,when has any gov reg anyhwere ever hindered a black market.
For example crazy muslim arabs can still get hold of guns and rocket launchers over here and already have, whether theres weapons regulations or not!.Still some gun laws are better than none surely, the US gov doesnt even try!:rolleyes:

[albie]

I see nothing suspicious at all in this shooting.

[tinmenace]

I see nothing suspicious at all in this shooting.

Oh ok :)

[lumukanda]

I see nothing suspicious at all in this shooting.

look harder.

[awakensong]

From another group - this says it all for me:

People, There is only one military in the world. Only one police force. ALL war is engineered. So when we talk of false flag operations we are talking about thousands of years worth of psycho-social manipulations that get humans to killing each other. It is the job of the politicians to make it look real.

ALL war and terrorism is a false flag opperation perpetrated by humans who sell out to the dark agenda. We are all snookered, be you Arab, Jew, American Indian, Black, White, Brown or Yellow, we are all being herded like cattle into phoney wars for the profits of Banksters.

Love Humanity, Love the Earth.

Even those who do "copy cat" shootings and terrorism, were inspired by the larger ones which came under a false flag, intended only for just such an outcome.

[phoenixchilde]

I see nothing suspicious at all in this shooting.

Thank you for using your brain. I'm so disgusted that people on this forum would misuse this event to further their political motives. A little courtesy and compassion for the victims of this tragedy. It's called empathy, it's part of being human. Try it.

[timestop24]

Thank you for using your brain. I'm so disgusted that people on this forum would misuse this event to further their political motives. A little courtesy and compassion for the victims of this tragedy. It's called empathy, it's part of being human. Try it.

What political motives? Do you have a political motive? I wonder why you think the government can do no wrong. Ever heard of MK Ultra? That really happened. You dont need to be a "conspiracy nut" to believe that. They admitted it.

Im quite taken back by your naivete on this forum.

[truthcommission]

I see nothing suspicious at all in this shooting.
and

Thank you for using your brain. I'm so disgusted that people on this forum would misuse this event to further their political motives. A little courtesy and compassion for the victims of this tragedy. It's called empathy, it's part of being human. Try it.

Its called being gullible and scared to let go of your world view.

I worked as a journalist and my father was also an editor of a couple of some high profile newspapers including The Kuwait Times. He has seen people being blown to smithereens and has shown me photos of victims of the system (mostly women and children) that would make your heart break.

Don't come this crap with me because I understand how the system works.

I am not sure why you waste so much energy defending the status quo when it quite plain that most people here including myself can see right through you.

[timestop24]

I am not sure why you waste so much energy defending the status quo when it quite plain that most people here including myself can see right through you.

Spot on. I have my suspicions also...:rolleyes:

[timestop24]

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

I don't know if this has already been discussed, but does this tie into with David Icke has been saying about "stimulating a war with China and/or the Muslim World, or both"? Taking into account the shooter is an Asian immigrant from Korea, and the American media rambling about the rise of China, could this be an event to stimulate blind hatred against Asians(like Ive seen on other forums) in order to prepare the U.S. public for a future war with N. Korea and then ultimately China? Just some thoughts.

[graflok]

Thank you for using your brain. I'm so disgusted that people on this forum would misuse this event to further their political motives. A little courtesy and compassion for the victims of this tragedy. It's called empathy, it's part of being human. Try it.

I see no "misuse" of this event in this thread. Nor any "political motives." I see honest people attempting to unravel a crime obfuscated by a corrupt media. A fact most of us find to be obvious and self evident. The reason we find it so is that this event fits the profile of many such "black ops" known to have been perpetrated many times in the past and which we have taken the time to research and discuss.

I also fail to see that accepting the media's tall tales about this event would be of any help to the victims or their loved ones. Truth assists closure, accepting lies does not.

If you accept the mainstream media's "interpretation" of these events without question, then you do not belong here, as most of us do not believe it. In fact, piercing the veil of the media's propaganda is such a basic concept of David Icke's work that I find it inexplicable that you would even bother to log in to this forum. Especially since you find our attempts to find the truth about this horrific event so "disgusting."

My only explanation for your comments would be that you are simply a troll who enjoys causing disruption. That's it, isn't it?

graflok

[tinmenace]

Thank you for using your brain. I'm so disgusted that people on this forum would misuse this event to further their political motives. A little courtesy and compassion for the victims of this tragedy. It's called empathy, it's part of being human. Try it.

Further political motives? Such as what, for example?

Courtesy for the victims? Cho was a victim too. In fact while the other's are being praised as "heroes", he's being smeared in the media as a madman and murderer. So, in my opinion, CHO is the biggest victim here, and this thread is dedicated to proving that point.

I agree with what Graflok said, I cannot believe that you don't see what this is all about. Have you even read any of David's books, or newsletters? I highly recommend them.

In fact we're doing ALL the victims justice by uncovering the truth. If we just sat quietly and 'respected the victims and their families' without exposing the true circumstances of their hideous murder, then that would be the ULTIMATE disrespect. So, while you say being quiet is being respectful, we say shouting out and demanding answers is respectful. If I was sacrificially murdered, I would hope that everyone would be shouting out also.

Just so that there is no misunderstanding about what our issues are with this incident, allow me to post them (as compiled by Siliconpsychosis), and you tell me if any of this makes sense, ok?

Here is a synopsis of the discrepancies that exist surrounding the recent Virginia Shooting. Please add to this list if I have missed anything out.

Why were the doors chained? And, where did the chains come from? Did he bring them with him?

Why was the campus not under police control after the first shootings?

Why the police lock down and unwillingness to enter the second building?

Why the lack of CCTV footage in and around the campus? Either Cho in the building with a gun, or on his way to the post office.

Why such a high fatality rate? 60 % fatality rate is extraordinary. A trained assassin perhaps?

Are all the Cho images really one person?

The photos are posed over a period of time. Who took the photos, and WHERE were they taken? Who's van is he in, and again who took the photo?

Why no specific mention of killing 2 people in the video images, particularly since Cho was supposed to be infatuated by the girl? Or why no specific mention that he was about to go and kill more people?

Ismail Ax? Did the murderer write this on Chos arm as an anti Islam statement? Is this a red herring?

Why no witnesses seem to have openly said 'I saw Cho shooting those people'?.

Why were 2 gunshots heard at the end? Did Cho shoot himself twice?

Why were the serial numbers erased from the guns? If Cho was willing to kill himself, why would he care if the guns origins could be identified? Were they planted on him?

Some accounts suggest Chos face was disfigured and virtually unrecognisable, and that he shot hiumself through the back of the head. Strange way to shoot yourself perhaps?

[markhowie]

Aloha all

the timeing of this shootings just one week before the french presidential vote is of no coinsidence.....
they have overplayed "security" this last week and "sarko" got 30% of the national vote with his "il will protect you" blablabla....
i personaly put my money on the other illuminati candidate
" segolene royal" (i personaly belive that she is the one with the most blue blood) as with 30% for sarko will provoke a reaction for a large majority to vote "royal"....
as the next president of america will probably be the whore of babylon "hillary C" these thatcherian clones will take us all to 2012....?????

glad to see all the pertinent questions being asked on this thread...
like "who gaines from this crime..?"

love to us all
mark

mad in france

[awakensong]

Hi Everyone,

Is it just me, or has this thread taken a turn for the mysterious? Am I the one misunderstanding, or is it everyone who replied to Phoenixchilde ever since the reply by Phoenixchilde to Albie?

As I read it, Phoenixchilde was asking Albie if he had a political motive in saying what he/Albie said, then everyone seems to have jumped on Phoenixchilde about having a politcal motive?

Albie said (post #166): I see nothing suspicious at all in this shooting.
=====

Pheonixchilde said, in response (post #170): Thank you for using your brain. I'm so disgusted that people on this forum would misuse this event to further their political motives. A little courtesy and compassion for the victims of this tragedy. It's called empathy, it's part of being human. Try it.
=====

Just hoping to get this straightened out in my own mind. Thanks!

[timestop24]

Hi Everyone,

Is it just me, or has this thread taken a turn for the mysterious? Am I the one misunderstanding, or is it everyone who replied to Phoenixchilde ever since the reply by Phoenixchilde to Albie?

As I read it, Phoenixchilde was asking Albie if he had a political motive in saying what he/Albie said, then everyone seems to have jumped on Phoenixchilde about having a politcal motive?

Albie said (post #166): I see nothing suspicious at all in this shooting.
=====

Pheonixchilde said, in response (post #170): Thank you for using your brain. I'm so disgusted that people on this forum would misuse this event to further their political motives. A little courtesy and compassion for the victims of this tragedy. It's called empathy, it's part of being human. Try it.
=====

Just hoping to get this straightened out in my own mind. Thanks!

I think he/she was referring to the people on this forum.

[amerigirl]

Let's not let those who don't see the TRUTH of lies in what took place in Virginia (and elsewhere at the moment) bring this thread "off topic". You are all on a good run and doing very well IMO. So as tinmenace said "dig, dig, dig"... Please continue...Don't give the others your energy.
I'm really enjoying the fine research, but since I'm still on my own little journey towards truth, I don't contribute that much, but CAN offer you my support...

~Peace

[tinmenace]

Let's not let those who don't see the TRUTH of lies in what took place in Virginia (and elsewhere at the moment) bring this thread "off topic". You are all on a good run and doing very well IMO. So as tinmenace said "dig, dig, dig"... Please continue...Don't give the others your energy.
I'm really enjoying the fine research, but since I'm still on my own little journey towards truth, I don't contribute that much, but CAN offer you my support...

~Peace

How beautiful and loving of you. Thank you! :)

[awakensong]

I think he/she was referring to the people on this forum.
Thank you, but I'm still confused. He/she quoted Albie and then responded "to" Albie, right? How would that have been a generalized response to all of us?

Albie was saying he did not go along with the fact that these "doings" are conspiracies against us (which the rest of us by and large DO go along with), and Phoenixchilde seems to have been asking if that's because he/Albie has a political motive.

[timestop24]

Thank you, but I'm still confused. He/she quoted Albie and then responded "to" Albie, right? How would that have been a generalized response to all of us?

Albie was saying he did not go along with the fact that these "doings" are conspiracies against us (which the rest of us by and large DO go along with), and Phoenixchilde seems to have been asking if that's because he/Albie has a political motive.

If you look right here

Thank you for using your brain. I'm so disgusted that people on this forum would misuse this event to further their political motives. A little courtesy and compassion for the victims of this tragedy. It's called empathy, it's part of being human. Try it.

He/she's obviously supporting what Albie said in the bold. Then goes off in a rant about how the rest of us are "mindlessly(I presume from the first statement) speculating" to further some political motive. What political motive? You got me there.


Otherwise, you can ask phoenixchilde yourself.

[phoenixchilde]

I see no "misuse" of this event in this thread. Nor any "political motives." I see honest people attempting to unravel a crime obfuscated by a corrupt media. A fact most of us find to be obvious and self evident. The reason we find it so is that this event fits the profile of many such "black ops" known to have been perpetrated many times in the past and which we have taken the time to research and discuss.

I also fail to see that accepting the media's tall tales about this event would be of any help to the victims or their loved ones. Truth assists closure, accepting lies does not.

If you accept the mainstream media's "interpretation" of these events without question, then you do not belong here, as most of us do not believe it. In fact, piercing the veil of the media's propaganda is such a basic concept of David Icke's work that I find it inexplicable that you would even bother to log in to this forum. Especially since you find our attempts to find the truth about this horrific event so "disgusting."

My only explanation for your comments would be that you are simply a troll who enjoys causing disruption. That's it, isn't it?

Is it causing disruption to value human life? To think that the loss of human life is something to be taken solemnly? The political motive demonstrated is connecting this tragic event to a conspiracy, and trying to make a name for yourself by coming up with theories, when there are real conspiracies out there to fight.

The fact is, Cho Seung-Hui was the victim of a cold, selfish and hedonistic society. The government didn't have to do anything, because society did it all. If you're serious about fighting the system, then fight the selfish society that forced his hand. Fight the status quo.

[graflok]

Is it causing disruption to value human life? To think that the loss of human life is something to be taken solemnly? The political motive demonstrated is connecting this tragic event to a conspiracy, and trying to make a name for yourself by coming up with theories, when there are real conspiracies out there to fight.

The fact is, Cho Seung-Hui was the victim of a cold, selfish and hedonistic society. The government didn't have to do anything, because society did it all. If you're serious about fighting the system, then fight the selfish society that forced his hand. Fight the status quo.

You're completely side-stepping the point. The members on this forum are merely trying to get at the truth of a tragic event. Somehow you have equated that with a disrespect for the dead which is completely ludicrous.

Do you have such little regard for the victims of this tragedy that you would discourage anyone from finding out the truth about it?

And, if you actually believe "the government didn't do anything," then you've certainly proved my previous assertion that you are a troll and don't belong here.

But, you already knew that.

graflok

[obiwanmom]

Clearly the guy in th NBC photo is not the kid. so they had to use a script to make this story happen. the more I watch this DVD the more similarities I keep coming up with in Donnie Darko. check out the pic similarities:

Darko:http://www.impawards.cobasedm/2001/posters/donnie_darko_ver3.jpg

Cho: d.yimg.com


Some of this was posted on glp and then poster's ip address was banned. Must have struck a nerve:


BTW anybody ever see the film Donnie Darko? Interesting movie. and the director is from Virginia. With the "Go back to China" remark to the girl that didn't fit in, same thing that was supposedly said to Cho by students who were bullying him, the lone nut Donnie, the psychotherapy sessions, hypnosis used on Darko, the English teacher, the pedophile guru, the plane crash into the house (another event this week) just coincidental right? After watching it tonight it made me think they might set off a nuclear bomb on U.S. soil as the next step and blame it on North Korea. Eerie. Check it out yes, and the imaginary girlfriend as well as the fact that it takes place in Virginia and that Donnie has to sacrifice himself to save everyone else. Darko's sister was going to an ivy league school just like Cho. The school mascot is destroyed by Darko and he writes. "They made me do it". Just like Cho says. Darko wears a shirt that says Hobie like Hokie, This is what Cho or the Cho lookalike in the NBC video claimed he was doing for his children his brothers and sisters etc. Everyone should see this film. It is really interesting in light of the current events in Virginia. The whole VT thing is a thing of fiction. Scripted from beginning to end.

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/movies/feature/2004/07/23/darko/index.html

[tinmenace]

Very interesting post. I'll check it out. Thanks!

[graflok]

http://drunkensherpa.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/donnieDarko.jpg

Yes, that is interesting. Movies are often used in trauma-based mind control.

graflok

[limelady]

Hi obiwanmom.

I finally caught up with the Donnie Darko movie a few weeks back, and yes, I can see where you're coming from here. MANY similarities for sure, so this is definitely food for further thought.

Good post, thankyou....and BTW welcome to the forum :)

[the_pale_man]

Theres also the signature & name written on his wrist of "Ismail Ax".

Guys, I've just realized something:

"Ismail Ax" is supposed to be about Abraham killing his own son, right? Whether it was Isaac or Ishmael (Ismail), and whether he was supposed to use a knife or an axe is irrelevant.

THE SACRIFICE OF ABRAHAM, remember? When a member of the Illuminati is asked to have his own son assassinated as a sign of absolute loyalty and to further the NWO plan, it is called "The Sacrifice of Abraham". This is about the soon-to-occur ASSASSINATION of GEORGE W. BUSH, orchestrated by his father high-ranking Illuminati extraordinaire Bush Sr!

"Ismail Ax" means that Bush Jr is about to get a bullet in the head! Is it gonna be a "magic" bullet? Is another "Cho" gonna be the new Oswald?

Btw, I have this theory that Tom Cruise is a sleeper agent, used as a part of the Princess Diana ritual (he and Nicole WERE the last people to see Di and Dodi alive that evening), and that they're gonna use him to do this John Wilkes Booth-style.

[awakensong]

If you look right here

He/she's obviously supporting what Albie said in the bold. Then goes off in a rant about how the rest of us are "mindlessly(I presume from the first statement) speculating" to further some political motive. What political motive? You got me there.

Otherwise, you can ask phoenixchilde yourself.

Ok then, I would say now to Phoenixchilde that the best way to show respect and compassion for the victims, as well as to avenge what happened to them, is to bring the true perpetrator/s to justice.

[phoenixchilde]

You're completely side-stepping the point. The members on this forum are merely trying to get at the truth of a tragic event. Somehow you have equated that with a disrespect for the dead which is completely ludicrous.

Do you have such little regard for the victims of this tragedy that you would discourage anyone from finding out the truth about it?

And, if you actually believe "the government didn't do anything," then you've certainly proved my previous assertion that you are a troll and don't belong here.

But, you already knew that.

graflok

Did you bother to read my post? I just told you the truth behind this tragedy. Try reading it again and paying attention.

Don't bother giving me that "you don't belong here if you disagree with me" garbage. If you want to prove who does belong here, try replying to this post without resorting to childish name calling.

[phoenixchilde]

Ok then, I would say now to Phoenixchilde that the best way to show respect and compassion for the victims, as well as to avenge what happened to them, is to bring the true perpetrator/s to justice.

The true perpretrators of this tragedy is everyone. Everyone who's ever sneered at someone for being different. Everyone who's ever put someone down to make themselves feel good. Not even this forum is immune to those kinds of people. If you must know, I spend every day of my life fighting that kind of ignorance and cruelty. Today is no different.

[tinmenace]

The true perpretrators of this tragedy is everyone. Everyone who's ever sneered at someone for being different. Everyone who's ever put someone down to make themselves feel good. Not even this forum is immune to those kinds of people. If you must know, I spend every day of my life fighting that kind of ignorance and cruelty. Today is no different.

You're entitled to your opinion of what happened at VT, but so are we.

Apparently we won't convince you differently. The evidence won't allow us to dismiss the gaping holes in the official story and to believe anything different than what we do. So, let's leave it at that.

We won't tell you how you should process this info, and what to make of it (I don't think anyone has done that), and in turn you'll allow us to continue processing it as we see fit, and we'll feel about it as we choose.

That's it. Free will. ;)

[graflok]

Did you bother to read my post?

Yes, and I was disheartened by your lack of concern for the families of the victims.


I just told you the truth behind this tragedy.

No, you merely parroted the media lies without any apparent regard for the government's history of carrying black ops of just this type.


Don't bother giving me that "you don't belong here if you disagree with me" garbage.

It's no bother. In fact, I quite enjoy it. Here, I'll say it again: you don't belong here. And, it's not just me who disagrees with you, obviously.


If you want to prove who does belong here, try replying to this post without resorting to childish name calling.

The only name I called you was a troll -- which you are, by definition. You say that's childish? I've never heard a child call anyone a troll. :rolleyes:

But, I can call you more adult names if you prefer. You certainly qualify for those too. ;)

graflok

[obiwanmom]

Hi obiwanmom.

I finally caught up with the Donnie Darko movie a few weeks back, and yes, I can see where you're coming from here. MANY similarities for sure, so this is definitely food for further thought.

Good post, thankyou....and BTW welcome to the forum :)

Thanks and I have been posting on this thread as well:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=34065#post34065

I do think the queen coming here and Jamestown happening exactly 28 days after the shooting is significant and scary. If the film is a guideline for them and I do believe it was, then something is definitely going down 28 days later. And if you include the hours and minutes hmmm.... I hope you guys read this thread and pass it along to other sites as well. GLP banned it.

[awakensong]

I wonder if I've missed this, but has anyone pointed out how impossible - just utterly impossible - it would have been for Cho or any lone gunman to have "quickly reloaded" while holding a gun in both hands?

It just could not have been accomplished by one person alone. Too many shots fired, too great of accuracy, no long pauses to reload. Too much is amiss with this to believe the official media story.

[timestop24]

I wonder if I've missed this, but has anyone pointed out how impossible - just utterly impossible - it would have been for Cho or any lone gunman to have "quickly reloaded" while holding a gun in both hands?

It just could not have been accomplished by one person alone. Too many shots fired, too great of accuracy, no long pauses to reload. Too much is amiss with this to believe the official media story.

Yeah, looks like a pro.

[graflok]

Yes, it would have taken a "special forces" type, maybe two.

Accuracy with a hand gun, especially while standing/walking, is much harder than it appears in movies/TV. And, one of the firearms was only a .22! These can be deadly under the right circumstance but, again, it would take a pro.

graflok

[tinmenace]

I don't recall the exact eyewitness details or forensic details, but I'm adding this to the list.

Why were the doors chained? And, where did the chains come from? Did he bring them with him?

Why was the campus not under police control after the first shootings?

Why the police lock down and unwillingness to enter the second building?

Why the lack of CCTV footage in and around the campus? Either Cho in the building with a gun, or on his way to the post office.

It would have been for Cho or any lone gunman to have "quickly reloaded" while holding a gun in both hands? It just could not have been accomplished by one person alone. Too many shots fired, too great of accuracy, no long pauses to reload.

Why such a high fatality rate? 60 % fatality rate is extraordinary. A trained assassin perhaps?

Are all the Cho images really one person?

The photos are posed over a period of time. Who took the photos, and WHERE were they taken? Who's van is he in, and again who took the photo?

Why no specific mention of killing 2 people in the video images, particularly since Cho was supposed to be infatuated by the girl? Or why no specific mention that he was about to go and kill more people?

Ismail Ax? Did the murderer write this on Chos arm as an anti Islam statement? Is this a red herring?

Why no witnesses seem to have openly said 'I saw Cho shooting those people'?.

Why were 2 gunshots heard at the end? Did Cho shoot himself twice?

Why were the serial numbers erased from the guns? If Cho was willing to kill himself, why would he care if the guns origins could be identified? Were they planted on him?

Some accounts suggest Chos face was disfigured and virtually unrecognisable, and that he shot hiumself through the back of the head. Strange way to shoot yourself perhaps?

[siliconpsychosis]

I have gradually come to believe that Governments lie about everything, past, present and future. Therefore any news report I ever read, I automatically question its validity. My political motive would simply be trying to unravel the truth. That was the case with the Virginia shooting too and a little research strongly suggests that, as usual, we are being lied to.
I disagree with the argument that questioning such events is disrespectful to the victims. Its a simple line that Governments always enjoy playing as it deters people from questioning officialdom. Imagine if everyone had obeyed this request after 9 11. The official story would likely have entrenched in everyones psyche without question. Truth would have been replaced with fabrication. Thats not for me thankyou.
Furthermore, if I was a victim of any crime, I would admire anyones desire to question the official view of what happened, even if they were completely wrong in their explanation of events. I am sure many of the victims of the Virginia shooting would agree with me on this point.
The tragic incident has rapidly faded from the newsreel, which is exactly as was intended by Lizard Corp. Their rapid propaganda machine spun the usual web of lies, leaving most people with a strong belief that the perpetrator killed himself. However the irregularities in the official story have not disappeared, and so the search for truth will continue.

[siliconpsychosis]

I have been busy working this week so I have not been able to continue investigating the shooting. However within 5 minutes of writing my last post I found a site which asked the question, why does the video footage that Cho posted, wobble as if someone is holding the camera?
If someone is indeed holding the camera, then why are the authorities not wanting to discover who Chos assistant is?
The reason I am posting this is simply to point out the sheer number of inconsistencies in the official story. I am sure a mere hour of further research will uncover more and more mysteries.
Peace to all the truthseekers.

[graflok]

... I found a site which asked the question, why does the video footage that Cho posted, wobble as if someone is holding the camera?
If someone is indeed holding the camera, then why are the authorities not wanting to discover who Chos assistant is?


Good questions!

graflok

[siliconpsychosis]

Heres another question.

Why did Cho target the engineering block when he was not an engineer student? He was majoring in English. I would have assumed he might have targeted people on a personal level, in which case Im surprised he didnt go for one of his own classes.

Ive read that students had the opportunity for counselling sessions after the shooting. I would be interested in knowing what techniques were used. A technique that can alter peoples memory of an event would be interesting. Wipe clean the facts and replace them with fiction.

[tinmenace]

Heres another question.

Why did Cho target the engineering block when he was not an engineer student? He was majoring in English. I would have assumed he might have targeted people on a personal level, in which case Im surprised he didnt go for one of his own classes.

Ive read that students had the opportunity for counselling sessions after the shooting. I would be interested in knowing what techniques were used. A technique that can alter peoples memory of an event would be interesting. Wipe clean the facts and replace them with fiction.

Very good question! Seems to debunk any BULLYING theory. If he wasn't even around the engineering students, why kill them?

I need to look a little closer at the layout of the college to see where that engineering building was, because it was probably chosen strategically. Easy in and out access.

[siliconpsychosis]

Thanks Tin, and good idea about the layout.

Heres a good visual timeline to the events that day according to the official story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18138327/

So Cho killed two people, then finished his video package, and walked to the post office, presumably jangling with the chains he was going to use to lock the engineereing building. When he got to the engineering building, he then put chains on the doors and walked up to Level 2 before firing. Im surprised noone asked him why he was chaining the doors.

[timestop24]

Very good question! Seems to debunk any BULLYING theory, if he wasn't even around the engineering students, why kill them?


Same thing with Columbine. Why didn't they kill the jocks who supposedly bullied them at the gym? They headed straight for the library instead.

[tinmenace]

Thanks Tin, and good idea about the layout.

Heres a good visual timeline to the events that day according to the official story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18138327/

So Cho killed two people, then finished his video package, and walked to the post office, presumably jangling with the chains he was going to use to lock the engineereing building. When he got to the engineering building, he then put chains on the doors and walked up to Level 2 before firing. Im surprised noone asked him why he was chaining the doors.
I know it, right? It just doesn't add up. :confused:

[siliconpsychosis]

Engineering building. Hmm... maybe tunnels underground. Great in and out access.

[tinmenace]

Yes, Graflok mentioned that most universities have tunnels. This is a very interesting direction. Would be a good way to get people on and off campus without any camera recording it.

I've been a little scattered the last few days (getting used to piloting this laptop that hubby bought for me :o )...but hopefully by tomorrow night I can center myself and really dig in with some research.

Sili (is it ok to call you that?...:) ) Remember to update or amend the list as we continue, and I'll do the same. That goes for all contributing Truthers (nice word Graf ;) ).

[siliconpsychosis]

Check this out! The first link was written 3 years ago and tells the story of how the FBI investigated an underground tunnel request for Virginia Tech.

A network of underground utility tunnels connects campus buildings to provide water, steam, coaxial tables, compressed air and fiber optics. Mark Miller was curious about the dimensions of the network. He said a physical plant official told him such details were secret "because of 9-11."
So he filed the request Dec. 16, 2003. Agents called him Jan. 30, 2004.

http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2004/05/06/TopStories/Fbi-Investigates.Underground.Tunnel.Requests-678980.shtml

And then I found this article about college students hacking into utility tunnels for fun and adventure.

http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/2006-04-18/buerger-collegetunnelers/

According to the article, Mike Hutchison started exploring the tunnels underneath Virginia Tech as a freshman. “It was something mysterious and off-limits,” he said.

The article goes on to say,

At Virginia Tech, punishment ranges from student suspension to expulsion, a university official said in an e-mail message. “Entrances to these spaces are secured to the fullest extent possible,” spokesman Mark Owczarski said. Still, he admitted, “On average, two to three individuals who entered these spaces without authorization are arrested a year.”
Hutchison evaded capture by school officials or police by entering the tunnels at night. Some of his friends weren’t so lucky; one was kicked out of school after two police officers trapped him in the tunnel.


Hmm? Do you reckon its customary for police officers to wander the tunnels of Virginia Tech?

[tinmenace]

You are the freaking bomb!!!

Yes! This makes sense. This is how they got a professional in and out of there without any detection. The chains on the doors were probably a delay tactic to ensure that he made his way back into the tunnel undetected before the cameras and police got in.

[limelady]

This thread is inspiring!

With nothing other than your PCs, info you've gleamed from the net (from various sources), and your own incredible individual nous, you're gradually piecing together one of the most murderous crime 'set-ups' we've seen the NWO scum put together since 9/11.

Are they becoming sloppy? Transparent? Or are 'we the people' just getting more savy by the minute?

No wonder they're trying to shut the internet down, because this is now more than merely "you can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time".....on this forum (and increasingly others like it across the net) its more like "you buggers can't fool ANY OF US ANY OF THE TIME"!!!

You know, I reckon its almost time for someone to call "games up"....when they're no longer able to pull-off their antics convincingly, despite all the tricks they have at their disposal (mind-controll, hi-tech gear, high-level co-operation, compliant media etc), then their days of fudging the masses with their evil-inspired bullshit are definitely numbered.

Congratualtions to all contributors!

You make me feel proud to be human.....a feeling I haven't experienced for almost my entire adult life. :)

[lenejento]

In the 1990s Blacksburg was the site of the Blacksburg Electronic Village, created as a project of Virginia Tech. It is also the home of the Military's MLK mind control program.

Click for Source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksburg%2C_Virginia#History

This quote is now removed from Wikipedia:confused:
I can now only find the first part on Wikipedia (In the 1990s Blackburg was the site of the Blacksburg Electronic Village , created as a project of Virginia Tech.) But the rest (It is also the home of the Military's MLK mind control program.) Has been removed now??? Convieniently... Tinmenace, when you were on Wikipedia, was the info about the massacre there then?

[tinmenace]

Big Hugs Lime! :)

[tinmenace]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksburg%2C_Virginia#History

This quote is now removed from Wikipedia:confused:
I can now only find the first part on Wikipedia (In the 1990s Blackburg was the site of the Blacksburg Electronic Village , created as a project of Virginia Tech.) But the rest (It is also the home of the Military's MLK mind control program.) Has been removed now??? Convieniently... Tinmenace, when you were on Wikipedia, was the info about the massacre there then?

Yes sweetie, but I saved the entire page to my hard drive because I KNEW they would yank it. I'll make it available in jpg format. MF'ers think they are so slick!

[lenejento]

Yes sweetie, but I saved the entire page to my hard drive because I KNEW they would yank it. I'll make it available in jpg format. MF'ers think they are so slick!

It's starting to really sink in now, what kind of world we are living in, before I still subconciously couldn't believe it all the time... I'm glad I'm used to it now.

Thank you all for doing all this great research! I have been falling out of researching completely. On my own journey right now.

Blessings

[tinmenace]

Big hug for you and good vibes to you on your journey.

Here's the screenshot of the Wikipedia entry. (http://www.globalfailure.com/images/wikivirginia.jpg) Click to enlarge the image.

Let me just add that anyone can edit Wikipedia, and this is why it's actually a good source of info because there are tons of people out there without the formal education (indoctrination) that have honest information to share.

[cn4m]

people can add honest information to wikipedia, but they can also add untrue things as well. (although i dont think it stays very long if there is no references)

anyway, im new here, and i just started to reallly question everything (i always knew something was up) when i watched loose change. and i have lots of free thinking friends like myself.

i have to say the only thing that i can explain possibly about this is why two gunshots were heard if he killed himself, simple, he had two guns. i dont know how far apart they were. regardless, the rest of this information is ASTOUNDING AND AMAZING. i always thought this seemed fishy, im in canada but i get american channels, and it was terrible, so much coverage, a media frenzy! i thought wow, heres another dose of fear for the public, and then i heard about the 2 hour delay, and thought it just didnt add up.

so anyway, wow, im really impressed (and outraged) that the sheeple cant just clue in. we gotta do something or this is just gonna keep happening.

[tinmenace]

We are all searching for the truth, and it's absolutely not acceptable that information is suppressed and withheld from us.

If were don't keep demanding answers, these stories would fade into history. They keep the airwaves filled with utter crap like Anna Nicole, but potentially important stories, like the NASA shooting, are already fading into memory.

It's up to us to keep these stories alive, and to fight for the truth. Not just for us but for those that were sacrificed by the loomies just to strengthen their witchcraft.

They are so pathetic. They have no real substance. Hollow shells - and they depend on their dark magick to keep themselves in power and the majority bewitched. If everyone were conscious, do you really think these spineless monsters would be in power? Not a dang chance! The are so going down, and they know it....they are so desperate.

You too Condi Rice, you worthless rag!

[truthcommission]

These leads uncovered by siliconpsychosis could really blow this whole thing apart. The challenge now needs to be put up to others in the research/conspiracy field to find the smoking gun so to speak.

Who do you know who has access to university records, architectural plans and /or VT students willing to speak off the record who could expose this covert operation?

[graflok]

I had sent some links about tunnels to tinmenace earlier. I didn't think you would find them so interesting or I would have posted the links before.
Most colleges have tunnels, it seems.

Here are some web pages devoted to just the VA Tech tunnels:
http://www.angelfire.com/vt/vtsteamtunnels/index2.html
http://virginiatechtunnels.projectoctober.com/main.html

Here's a map of the VT campus showing tunnels:
http://virginiatechtunnels.projectoctober.com/main.html

And, another:
http://virginiatechtunnels.projectoctober.com/main.html

And, here's a page on college tunnels in general:
http://members.tripod.com/~tunnels/ctunnels.html

These tunnels are usually considered off limits for students and some colleges have rumors of dastardly things that go on inside them.

I discovered them a while back when researching a mysterious death at Purdue which I may post something about if I get around to it.

Enjoy. :)

graflok

[tinmenace]

You're the bomb, Graf!

Thanks for the links. :)

Here's what I found by following those links....This picture below is the campus map as found on the VT official site. (http://www.vt.edu/where_we_are/maps/documents/vt_main_map.pdf)

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/campus.jpg

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/ambler.jpghttp://www.globalfailure.com/images/noriris.jpg

The blue building at the bottom of the map is Ambler Johnston Hall where he allegedly shot two people at 7:15am.

At the top is Norris Hall where the mass murder took place at 9:15am.

Below is the official map of the tunnels under the campus. This map was found at this site (http://virginiatechtunnels.projectoctober.com/main.html). Note that both buildings have tunnels leading to them.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/campusunderground.jpg

So, as we can see both buildings have tunnel access. I'm not convinced that the tunnels begin and end on the university grounds. I wonder how far the mountains are that Cathy O'Brien talks about....?

Good job, Sil. You have a helluva sniffer there! ;)

[pollock]

is there any significance to the fact that Ambler Johnston Hall is building 32 and norris hall is building 132, or am I going in to to much detail?

F

[tinmenace]

Wow! No way!

Excellent spotting!

1 + 32 = 33 (total number of people dead)
32 = (number of people dead without Cho)

Pooollllooock....you lil truth sniffer you! ;)






Thoth, were are you Bud?

[thoth]

Underground tunnels eh? This is making more sense by the second. No wonder the likes of Halliburton and others are checking things out, I would too. Its easy to see some hitman of somekind coming in through underground tunnels and killing all of those people. You mean to tell me there were no cameras anywhere near these buildings? I go to a small college, and they even have quite a few security cameras set up. This whole thing reaks of the Brotherhood. These rat bastards have done it again.

[graflok]

You're the bomb, Graf!

Thanks for the links. :)
You're welcome.


I'm not convinced that the tunnels begin and end on the university grounds. I wonder how far the mountains are that Cathy O'Brien talks about....?


Yes, I suspect there's more to the tunnel system than is shown on any publicly available map.

In any case, I'm sure there's plenty going on underground in the Blacksburg area.
It seems VA Tech is where underground facilities are designed!
Here is a news blurb about VT's Project AMADEUS:
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2003/A/20037456.html

VA Tech is also closely associated with the huge Kimballton Facility
located about 20 miles away from the campus. This deep underground
research lab goes down at least 7,000 feet (well over a mile) and is
carved in rock.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/552/kim1lq0.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7987/kim2jq2.jpg

I don't know what that thing in the picture above is (digging machine?).

http://www.kimballton.org/public/kimballton/portal.jpg

Here is the Kimballton web site:
http://www.kimballton.org/

I couldn't find the exact location of Kimballton but it appears to be inside
Butt Mountain (no, I didn't make that up :) )

graflok

[tinmenace]

I was browsing around the Kimballton mine site, from the link you posted, Graf, and I found this photo. The legend mentions mines, so I went to Google Earth to see if I could find that mountain which is not too far from Blacksburg.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/caves.jpg

I found it, but then noticed these very straight lines that go on for miles and miles, perfectly straight, over mountains and through cities, and I was wondering what y'all thought they might be?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/lines.jpg

The bottom line, which is faint from this altitude runs right through the northern part of Blacksburg.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/lines2.jpg

I was reminded of the Nazca lines that also go for miles and miles in straight lines, but aren't roads.

Your thoughts?

[siliconpsychosis]

This thread is soo exciting. The teamwork is proving that together we can unravel the truth from the lies. The new maps give the tunnels idea strength, so nice work tin and graf.
Truth Commission is definately onto something with the idea of finding eyewitness accounts, either students or police. So far noone has categorically said Cho was the killer and we have varying descriptions too.
If people work together like this on future investigations, and distribute our findings to wider audiences, more people will wake up to Lizard Corp. Lets goooooo!
Ps. Brilliant Google images Tin. Reminds me of the idea of a global underground Lizard nest.

[tinmenace]

Bravo! *Clapping* :D

[graflok]

I was reminded of the Nazca lines that also go for miles and miles in straight lines, but aren't roads.
Your thoughts?

All I can think of is a railway. :confused:

graflok

[tinmenace]

All I can think of is a railway. :confused:

graflok

Could be, but in straight lines over the mountains?:confused: :confused:

[graflok]

aqueducts? :confused:

graflok

[graflok]

pipelines? :confused:

http://www.dot.gov/bib2003/images/PIPE4.jpg

graflok

[tinmenace]

pipelines? :confused:

http://www.dot.gov/bib2003/images/PIPE4.jpg

graflok


Swaight lines, Graf. Swaight ones. :)

[tinmenace]

What do you think Sil? (aka sniffer-extraordinaire)

[tinmenace]

Ok, I'm going to start a new thread about these lines because Thoth is my Bud, and I'm not going to hijack his thread with this. I'll post a link to the "lines" thread just as soon as I get it done. I found some more info. Not that any of this has anything to do with anything, but it's a mystery to me, and you KNOW how I love those....

[thewaycreates]

you guys are rippin' it up in here!!

awesome. friggin super-slueths!

luv it.

as for the lines on the googleEarth map,Tinmenace, i would just assume they are powerlines(??)

keep it up guys.

[tinmenace]

Yep! I've just realized what they are........they are power lines. I couldn't understand why the lines crossed people's properties and nobody thought anything weird...but it just dawned on me that they are power lines.

[thewaycreates]

im always looking at topo maps for new places to hike or ponds to canoe and i always see those lines, and alot are where know powerlines are, thats why i figured they were Powerlines.

keep up the investigation.

i wonder how long itll be before some of this truth info will start to get to the public.

[tinmenace]

im always looking at topo maps for new places to hike or ponds to canoe and i always see those lines, and alot are where know powerlines are, thats why i figured they were Powerlines.

keep up the investigation.

i wonder how long itll be before some of this truth info will start to get to the public.

Thanks, on behalf of my fellow truth-sniffers and myself! :D

You know, just like everything else, it doesn't matter if we expose this mass murder with irrefutable evidence, the herd is fully bewitched at this point and continue to resist the truth as though it were poison. That's all coming to an end soon though. More and more there are those that are waking up, but for the most part we are still in the minority.

[siliconpsychosis]

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/WarlockBlue

April 19 2007 / By Douglas J. Hagmann, Director of Northeast Intelligence Network

According to a law enforcement source speaking to this investigator this morning, authorities were very concerned that improvised explosive devices were planted at the Virginia Tech campus prior to the shooting by the killer that they used a tool that is frequently employed in Iraq - a device that jams radio signals, including those used by cellular telephones. The tool, known as Warlock Blue, jams radio frequencies intended to detonate hidden, remotely detonated "improvised explosive devices" or IEDs that are often triggered by cell phones, garage-door openers and similar radio controlled devices. The countermeasure could have also prevented any communications between perpetrators if others were involved, added this source.

So the authorities didnt try to actively stop the shooting but they did try to stop peoples mobile phones working. How intelligent. I wouldnt be at all surprised if these devices were set up BEFORE the mass slaughter.

[tinmenace]

That is unbelievable! Good find, Sil.

[tinmenace]

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/whoisthis.jpg

Student photographer detained during Virginia Tech crisis, equipment confiscated

By Brian Hudson, SPLC staff writer

Shaozhuo Cui, photo editor for the Collegiate Times, was taking pictures as police evacuated Norris Hall, where a student gunman shot and killed 30 students and professors before taking his own life, when two police officers ordered him to leave. He says he was heading away from the area when they "changed their mind" and ordered him to his knees and handcuffed him.

Cui was released two hours later, but without his camera, camera bag and the two forms of ID police had taken from him. He says he was told his possessions would be returned to him at a later time.

Since Monday the Collegiate Times has been working without success to retrieve Cui's equipment, which included photographs he had taken earlier that morning after the episode began with a shooting at a residence hall across campus that left two additional people dead.

The newspaper has not been able to speak to anyone with the state police about returning the camera, said Editorial Adviser Kelly Furnas, and the newspaper's lawyers have not reported any headway either.

Source (http://www.splc.org/newsflash.asp?id=1504)

They confiscated his equipment, and won't return it. I bet he'll never get his film back. Why would they do this unless there was something to cover up?

[albie]

Or maybe they don't want pics of dead students cropping up on the web.

[albie]

That is unbelievable! Good find, Sil.

How is that unbelievable? They had bomb threats days before. I would have thought that was pretty much the reason they had them in place.

Nothing suspicious here.

[tinmenace]

Nothing suspicious...? My gawd, what am I doing? You're right! There's absolutely nothing suspicious about any of this...

Thank you for bringing this to my attention....:rolleyes:

[tinmenace]

I've started an addendum thread to this one here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=35536#post35536). It's a work in progress and concerns the State of Virginia in general.

[thewaycreates]

has anyone seen this video yet? its horrible quality, must be a camera phone or something. not sure who the people are in the frame, but you can hear shooting throughout most of it, with a loud bang(not sure if its a gun or a bomb) right at the ending.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[twocross]

it really sounded like a explosion on the video, not only that but there was a history channel special on VT shooting. and they had the kid who took the video and he even said he heard loud explosions, that wasn't a gunshot to me.